February 12, 2024 • 40 mins
Chris and Rob debate whether the San Francisco 49ers should consider firing head coach Kyle Shanahan after yet another Super Bowl meltdown and discuss the narrative that Patrick Mahomes is the Michael Jordan of the NFL. Plus, former Pro Bowl wide receiver and Up on Game on FOX Sports Radio co-host TJ Houshmandzadeh swings by to discuss how much blame Kyle Shanahan and Steve Wilks deserve for the 49ers’ Super Bowl loss, what makes Patrick Mahomes so historically great, his overall thoughts on Purdy’s performance and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
A lot of people Rob are down on Kyle Shanahan.
He made some he made some sake and I'm just
gonna keep it real. I do think he's a good coach,
but they got out coached. And we talked to TJ.
Houschman's odd about it earlier, but itn Andy Reid is
arguably the best coach right now.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
So if you you know, that's not a shame that
he out coached you.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
But I did think that the Niners coaching staff made
some moves that I won't I mean, over the course
of sixty minutes, maybe it could cost you the game.
But I just thought they got out coach and I
thought Shanahan made some mistakes.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
And as we said, Rob.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Seven times in the Super Bowls teams have lost double
digit leads, and now he has been a part of
three of them. That's that is crazy. Rob once obviously
his offensive coordinator in Atlanta when they gave up a
twenty eight to three lead, and then the last two
times they played the Chiefs in the Super Bowl, and
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so that is that is you know, we talk about
Doc Rivers Rob in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
God knows, I saw a lot of things on social media.
Chris called him. They compare Doc Rivers of the yse
of the NFL. Saw it.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
But the only problem I had with that, And and
you know we've been critical of Doc, but Doc did
win a championship. I don't think that that's a fair comparison,
like Kyle hasn't won, Chris, so I can't. I think
I understand people are traded with Doc and of late,
but he did win a championship.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
I don't think that's fair.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, and I would say that, and that's fair because Doc,
you can't.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
They can't take that.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I was around that team. I went to training camp
with them in Rome that year and Doc did a
great job since then, though I get it. The thing
is Rob, where Shanahan would have an edge over him?
Is it least Shanahan's getting to the championship games whereas
Doc's not even getting past.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
And I get it and not get it right.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
And I get it because you know Doc has blown
series Chris whatever up three to one or whatever.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
So that that's I get. Like, that's what they're saying. Like,
I don't think it's a great comparison.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
You.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yeah, I really don't. But but I'm what are your
thoughts on Shanahan.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
I'm gonna say this, Chris, And you know me, Okay,
if you're writing your ripping.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yeah, if I'm writing, I'm ripping.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
And if I was a columnist in San Francisco, I
would I would write that Kyle Shanahan needs to be fired. Wow, Chris,
I fired. I'm not even kidding you. And I get it.
He's been to the super Bowl twice in four years.
I even give it of a coach. They take your
team to the super Bowl, they won all these games.
But you can't watch the same thing over and over
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and think it's gonna change. We've seen this. Chris Stanley
wound up losing his gig because he wouldn't a joint.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
No no, no, no, no, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Talking about that. I'm just talking about a just thing, Chris.
You can't keep doing the same thing and not.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Not figure it out, which is it comes a time.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
You could have a philosophy, Chris, right, and you throw
the football and all that, But there's a thing called
winning time, right, and you got it. You're talking about
being out coached. There's also a thing about just making
wrong decisions over and over and in these games up
ten points with seven minutes to go and all that.
(04:03):
You gotta understand that the more time you can eat
off the clock. Tom Brady can't come back and beat you.
Patrick Mahomes can't come back to beat you if you
limit Chris the amount of times they have.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
By also running the football.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
I'm not saying, dude, like change everything you've ever done
and play scared or whatever. That's not what I'm talking about.
These are first guesses. These are people watching going what
is this like? No nobody you talked about it, Chris.
Seven times it's happened in NFL Super Bowl history, right
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where you blow a double digit lead, and he's done
it three times in the last five years or eight
years or six year, whatever's been Like, there's a problem there,
and I don't know if it's gonna get through. You
would have thought after he lost that twenty five point league,
that Tom Brady, Chris, where they ran the ball four
times in the second half, where they was set up
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for a field goal right at the twenty two all
they needed to do was kick that they would be
up by a layer of eleven. Brady can't beat you
like you would have. Okay, I blew that one. Then
we remember with Jimmy Garoppolo, Chris, they're up by ten.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
They used to have them throw the.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Ball and they were running the ball, and that get
better than this one, Chris. Remember that in that right
where they were running the ball and then all of
a sudden that they're having Jimmy Garoppolo throw like crazy.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
And you're like, what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
And in this case here, I just thought, Chris, I'm
not saying it was a guarantee, but if you would
have done run some run the ball that third and
four right there, I thought that was definitely a running.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Down that much time. You know, overtime, no in the
fourth or oh when they blitzed and Party kind of
threw it or short. I'm just saying you still eat
up clock.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
I would rather Patrick Mahomes has a minute and ten,
you see what I'm saying, rather than a minute in
fifty five.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Chris, there's a big new There.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Was no doubt for he was getting a field goal.
The only doubt was was it gonna be a field
goal or a touchdown? Right with Mahomes like, and I
will say this, I don't know. I'm not saying the run.
I'm disappointed that they didn't. And whether it's Shannahan or Party,
didn't you know audible at the line of scrimmage or
whatever they should have been able to know a blitz
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was coming.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
And Chris, let me just I'm gonna cuss.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
That they rob If they convert that first down, games
games probably over.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
And let me say this, Kyle Shanahan's offenses, Chris convert
just twenty five percent on third down in Super Bowl
seven for twenty eight. He's blown three the largest leagues
in Super Bowl history.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
We know that.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
And Shanahan's teams Chris have been outscored. He's the offensive
genius right outscored a combined fifty eight to twelve in
the fourth quarter in overtime that to fireball resume right there.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I disagree that.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
They should fire him, but obviously it's hard to defend
his record in these big games, the Super Bowls and
then even an NFC championship game. What I would do,
and maybe the Niners have done this. I think John
Lynch is good. I think obviously they're a good organization.
I would hope they've done this Rob, but they need
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to really sit down with him and talk about these things.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
And coaches have their issues.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
It's a big one to have, but I get a
prime example, Rob is Andy Reid. Remember the issues Andy
had in Philadelphia clock management, couldn't win the big one,
that's what. Now he got great quarterback, but quick right,
all the success that Andy Reed had, they went the
four straight on.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
His last year. I think they went four to twelve,
but I'm just saying no. But I mean he had
had a lot of success.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Yeah, and they were going to the NFC Championship game,
they made it to a super Bowl, and then they
had the bad year and they were like, Okay, we
got to move on from right.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
But yeah, he so he obviously.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Has turned that around now and some people were saying
he's maybe the best coach ever or will be.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Soon in that conversation.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
So I would not fire Kyle Shanahan, but I do
think Rob, I'll go over a few up now he did.
He air litany of errors yesterday, one obviously taking the
ball at the start of the overtime. And I look
what he said about I wanted the third possession right
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where if we go down and score touchdown, they come
back and score touchdown, well, then after that is sudden
death and we'll have the ball and all we gotta
do is get a field goal and it's over. I
get that logic, but here's the problem with it. One,
you gotta get through the first two possessions right, and
(09:16):
two it doesn't necessarily have to be sudden death because
if the Niners that marched down Robin scored a touchdown
kick the extra.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Point, the Chiefs could have went down, scored a touchdown
and guess what went for two and beat you.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
So right, there's no guarantee you were gonna get that
third possession.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
And here's what the biggest.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Thing I didn't like about it, Rob, When they scored
that field goal, which you know you can you can
think reasonably that they can hold the Chiefs to a
field goal, right, You know they hadn't been they only
they hadn't marched on them for touchdown drives that much
throughout the game. They had two touchdowns. One was the
short one off the blown punt that we talked about,
(10:00):
just sixteen yards. So they had done a good job
of stopping him for the most part. But you gave
Patrick Mahomes four downs.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
That That was my first thought after they got the
field goal.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I was like, the problem is he's gonna get four downs, right,
and they know they have to score, So like that
fourth and one, they went for it from their own
thirty four. They had no choice, whereas if you if
you had let them go first and they end up
fourth and one from their thirty four, their punning and
now you got a chance to just win it and ended.
And so I thought that was Matt rob You talked
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about the clock management. I thought at the end of
the first half, when the Chiefs had the ball and
they finally put some points on the ball with a
field goal, made it ten to three going in at halftime,
Shanahan could have stopped the clock a few times with
his timeouts and they could have got the ball with
about a minute left and had maybe had a chance.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
To get a field goal. If not more, would you
be shot.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Right?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
He let it go to They end up getting the
ball with twenty seconds left and doing nothing with it.
Here's what I'm thinking now about Shanahan rob He reminds
me a little, and I'm only saying a little because
I want to see more before I make the full
blown comparison.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
But it's starting to remind me of Mike D'Antoni.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Mike D'Antoni might be on the something right there, and
he never won.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
No offensive genius, had great teams changed the game to
some degree, right, but his lack of attention to detail.
And those playoff series with the Suns, you would always
they would play the Spurs and you could just see
that the Sons are getting lost defensively. They're turning the
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ball over at the inopportune times, not the Spurs, or
when they getting the fruck Us frank Us right, and
the Spurs players stay on the bench, not the Suns.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
They get up rate to fight and they.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Get suspended like that, lack of attention to detail.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
What happened yesterday? The Chiefs players.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Knew about the new overtime rules, the Niners players didn't
You hadn't even gone over it with him, and whoshman
Zada thinks.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
You didn't even know. Yeah, that's a lack of attention
to detail.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
And then at the end of the first half, that's
another lack of attention to detail. So that is hurting
them again. To me, I would not fire him right now.
I think he's done a good job overall, but you
gotta get over the hump. And next year Rob is
critical for them because they don't have to pay In fact,
they can't pay Brock pretty big money, which means they're
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gonna keep all their stars around him. If they don't
win it next year, when are they gonna win it,
Because then you're gonna either pay Party eventually and not
be able to have as many great players around him,
or if you move on and you don't want to
pay him now, you're starting over with another guy. So
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next year is critical for them, and they are favorite,
believe it or not, to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah, which they I think the Chiefs should be.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
But I just think Chris at some point to me,
three chances, you know, and I know he was the
offensive coordinator, but those calls were awful and that situation
to blow that. I just think you have to look
at it and say, is this guy gonna get it done?
So anyway I'm dead, sir. I think I know they
(13:36):
won't do it because he's been in two Super Bowl
But if I looked at his resume and what he's
done and these numbers are abysmal, I would fire him.
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Our next guest, former Pro Bowl wide receiver friend of
the Show, now co hosts of Up on Game. Right
here on Fox Sports Radio, we bring in the Man TJ.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Houschmann's out of TJ. What's up? Brought up?
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Man?
Speaker 5 (14:41):
How are you man riving? Chris? What's up? Baby?
Speaker 4 (14:45):
I got to see TJ. Chris in Las Vegas. He
was there doing this thing and he looks like he
could still play. Doesn't have an ounce of fat on
his body. He looks great, loose, great.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
Hey, look and be deceived.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Can I tell you that got on big clones?
Speaker 5 (15:03):
Right?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
I got big clones on may Well, TJ.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Obviously it was a competitive and at the end thrilling
super Bowl, and you had some harsh words in your
tweet for the San Francisco forty nine ers coaching staff.
So I'm gonna read it and then I want you
to respond. This is your tweet. I'm sorry. Shannahan, Kyle Shanahan,
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and Steve Wooks, the defensive coordinator called a terrible game,
got away from the run early in the second half
and it cost them. Wiolks was just as bad, if
not worse. So tell us what you're referring to. And
you obviously think, do you feel like San Francisco gave
this away more than Kansas City took it?
Speaker 5 (15:48):
One thousand nine Ers gave a Super Bowl away? Then
let's kind of go through the game.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Yeah, let's do it, because I'm with you. It was ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Hey, So Patrick Mahon saws that interception right right out
in the third quarter. It's about the forty nine yard line,
if I'm not mistaken, their midfield.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
They had it at Kansas City's forty four.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Okay forty four. The forty nine ers had had tremendous
success running the ball. Now they weren't gashing them, but
they're getting three, four or five yards of pop.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Why wouldn't you run it?
Speaker 5 (16:21):
They passed past pass and then a punt. If you
run the ball, at worst, you're getting a field goal
out of it. At worst, shirt Now Moody has to
make it the low extra point. It looked like he
was going to miss it anyway. But run the ball.
What are you doing? Run the ball? And he comes
out and he throws the ball. They lose yards and
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they have to punt, and it's like, what is going
on here? He didn't get back to the run till
midway through the fourth quarter. I mean, they literally were
just coming out just throwing the.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Ball every down And this is the.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Third time, the third time Kyle Shanahan as an offensive
coordinator or head coach had a double digit lead in
the Super Bowl and lost it.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
And this only happened seventeen seven times. And he's done
it three, tophtory of the league, and he's done it three.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
And here here's the other thing too.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Let me ask you in the fourth quarter before the
game tying drive, you know, for the field goal he
third and four, they passed the ball to TJ.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Why not run the ball right?
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (17:26):
It right?
Speaker 4 (17:27):
And then you got then you might go for it, yeah,
and then you might go for it, depending on what
it is. You get the first down, the game's over,
Like it didn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
To throw the ball there.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Also, you want to leave Patrick Mahomes as little ass
amount of time as possible. And then they had almost
two minutes plus two timeouts and he didn't even Andy,
we didn't even have to burn us timeout. I didn't
even understand that. And you're right, he's done this before,
and I can't understand how he doesn't close out games.
(17:58):
You remember the Falcons game with Julio Jones first and
ten at to twenty two, and they throw the ball,
a sack.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
And a holding, run the ball, run the ball.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Now theyj they did run thirty one times and they
only were averaging three and a half.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Yards of carry.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
And that's fine though, because if you think about the
negative yard yards plays, what goes against the average. But
for the most part, they were effective running the ball.
They ran it thirty one times, they probably should have
run it thirty nine times. They probably should have run
it thirty nine times because that was the key to
the victory. This Kansas City deepense is good, very very good,
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and so when you have them on the ropes, you
have to take advantage of it and then converse. Let's
go to the defense side the ball. Let's go to
the last drive. You remember when Balda Scatley catches that
hitch and then he loses a bunch of yards and
it makes you second fifteen. Steve Wilkes comes out in
a cover zero. He's not disguising it. Everybody's off eleven
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yards and the rest of the guy, what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (19:00):
I agree some of the Yeah, when you were watching
that TJ, what'd you think?
Speaker 5 (19:05):
I know he's really I swear, I promise you. I said,
everybody's gonna drop out there, They're gonna drop out. He
literally covers zero, Like, what are you doing? They catch
it this eight yards now, second and fifteen turns into
third and six and guess what, he did it again?
Cover zero again. Why do you think later down on
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that drive, you remember when Shanahan called a timeout.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Yeah, yeah, it was the same.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Exact look and it was cover zero. He was, if
you're gonna do it, at least disguise it. He he
going to commit a crime without a mask on, like
you telling you you're gonna what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
No?
Speaker 1 (19:45):
I agree because it I mean in the first half,
obviously their defense was dominant, they were getting to mahomes.
And in the second half it was largely different. And
it looked like Kansas City made the adjustments.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
In the That's exactly what it is. It's called adjustments
by coaching. The coaches of the Chiefs made adjustments. And
Steve Wilks's night you had two weeks to prepare, you
watch film for two weeks and that show cover zero. Blitch.
You see when Spags was blitzing you ain't nowhere was
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he made the quarterback have to think. And it's just
I felt like forty nine ers literally gave that game away.
When when the Chiefs defense needs a big play, a
big stop. We all know if you watch football, Fags
is going to blitch you. He's gonna blitch you. But
you go empty run of fake jet sweet to macaffrey. Yes,
(20:44):
Jawan Jimmis was open, but nobody block. Nobody said we're
not gonna bock the best player on the Chiefs who
was christ That was why get in that formation where
it's you're in a spread and nobody in the backfield
like why and you know he's gonna bring press that
this is what he does.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
What do you think of What do you think of
Shanahan's decision to take the ball in overtime?
Speaker 3 (21:08):
A lot of people being critical of that.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
He said, that's what it. Analytics department said, I don't
believe that. I believe he just didn't understand the rules.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
And but some players would come out and said that
they didn't know. I mean, I don't believe that.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
All you got to do is a reason.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
So you think he thought if they get a touchdown,
so they win it.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Nobody listen, man, listen, who in their right mind would
do that? Who's going to take the ball first? Not
only you? You always want to play defense because you
get an extra down and you know exactly what you need,
why would you take the ball that makes zero stick?
Speaker 3 (21:44):
And it makes sense if it's sudden death?
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Right?
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Did I want the ball first? Right?
Speaker 5 (21:49):
If it's sudden that's that's why he and that's why
he took the ball because he thought it was sudden
If you think he's gonna get up on that plotium
and say, oh, I didn't realize it was sudden death, No,
he's not going to say that. He's going to put
it on the analytics department and then he's going to
say to himself, oh wow, that's probably a rule I
should have been aware of.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
T J.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Let me ask you go ahead, I'm sorry, But he's.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
Not going to say that public because he knows the
following day exactly.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
How about brock Party, where were you on? His performance?
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Started off pretty good, a lull and then at the
end maybe play better.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
But overall what what was your overall grade for him?
And can you win a Super Bowl with him?
Speaker 5 (22:32):
Rob? I may be in a minority with this. I
like brock Party. I like him. I'm accurate im with
he throws the ball long time and if he wasn't
mister irrelevant. Nobody would talk about all the bad plays
that he makes.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Everybody makes bad but some people are out on him
now after the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
So I thought even improved the stock in the super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
I've heard a lot of people I've heard a lot
of to be out in Well, they just I mean
he didn't do He played.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
No I a year as a starter, he lead the
team to both right right, first fall year starter Because
when a quarterback doesn't have weapons, what is the first
thing that the media says he needs help? He needs weapons.
He's on a team with weapons, and he led him
to the super Bowl because if he didn't have weapons,
that would be the first thing everybody would trade. I
like bron Party. I think Brock Party is a good quarterback.
(23:20):
I think people are on his head for no reason.
And so his first year as a starter to lead
a team to the super Bowl, he did a hell
of a job.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I'm with you on Party. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I think, look, obviously Tom Brady's to go with his
accomplishments and stuff, but I think TJ the best quarterback
I've ever seen, and I think the best quarterback any
of us have ever seen is Patrick Mahomes, Where are
you on all that?
Speaker 5 (23:49):
Patrick Mahomes from an Ites is the best quarterback that
I've seen play the position. He just always feels like
and it always seems like ten seconds on o'clock they're
gonna win. Two minutes, Oh for sure, they're gonna win.
Like he's he's done it with thirteen seconds. So anything
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more than that, you have to feel like he's going
to get it done. Now, does he need more accomplishes, more,
acculate more than super bowls? He does, but he does
not in my it for me, he does not have
to reach seven. If he gets six, he's by far
the greats any more than I don't know if we'll
(24:37):
ever see this again. He's just that good. He's so
calm under pressure. Okay, I need to run for this
first time.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Okay, so let me ask you this question.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Okay, one three, So say he doesn't win any more
super Bowls. He wins three, but he had a run
three out of five, Where would you put him?
Speaker 5 (24:56):
It's hard to put him over Brady just because Brady
had two runs where look like he was the best quarterback.
Then oh they say I'm done. Now I'm the best
quarterback again. I mean it was almost like Kobe with
eight in the twenty four. You know, it's just two
separate careers, and both of those careers are Hall of
Fame careers. He has careers all in one.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
I think Mahmes has to win more to be the goat.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
But I'm just talking about like you said, I tessk
what I Mahme gets to six.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
If he gets to six, it's no question, no question.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Is is he six and one or six and five?
Speaker 3 (25:35):
I mean you say, no question. Does the losses matter
at all?
Speaker 5 (25:41):
The losses?
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Well, but no, I'm asking you. I'm asking you.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
You say, if he gets if he gets to six,
but he's six and five, so he went to eleven
super Bowls. I'm just our ten like Brady, and he's
five and five. Couldn't you couldn't say he's the goat
the way.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
He performs rop I can't even imagine him losing fight.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
No, of course not.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
But I'm just giving he gets there and that is
the case. No, he isn't the goat. No, okay, no,
I can't imagine him doing that. Because if it was
based off titles, then everybody would say Bill Russ was
the greatest basketball play every play off.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
It's not just titles. We've talked about this before. Can
we talk about it with Michael Jordan. Now people always
just use that, but he was a great player all
around and did all kinds of the stuff.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
Today. My own is a special and just think about this.
He did this without a bonifid go to receiver. She
Wright as a rookie was his go top. Do you
understand they're going to be better next year if they
better keep ninety five? Let them lose ninety five. Watch
out his crashing bur That's going.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
To be interesting.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
If they will be better on offense because they're going
to get a dynamic receiver. Trusting, but they're going to
go get somebody that can really get down the field
to stress this defense. They'll be better on offense. They'll
be better on offense. That's scary, all right, TJ.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
We got to run, man, Thank you, brother. We appreciate
the knowledge.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
Man. I appreciate you guys. Man keep killing it man.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
All right, man, thank you.
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nine to be exact, two touchdown last night and their
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win over the forty nine Ers his third Super Bowl
and third Super Bowl MVP. So again, congratulations to Patrick
Mahomes and Rob.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
You know that I have said I said years ago.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I said that summer after or off season after his
first season as a starter, when he threw fifty touchdowns
over five thousand yards won the MVP in his first
year as a starter, I said he was Jordan esque
and hadn't even won anything yet, but I think that
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this guy and now is catching on out here in
Tony Romo saying this is like the Jordan era in
the NBA, in the NFL, and nobody's gonna win rings
because of this guy. And Damian Wood he's saying the
same thing. And I thought last night watching Patrick Mahomes. Now,
like I said, I don't think he's the goat yet.
(29:01):
I think he will be, but it reminded me of
like watching Jordan. Rob Jordan was considered by many to
be the Goat before his accomplishments had kind of warranted it.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
After his three peak.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
When he first retired, most people were saying he's the
greatest basketball player ever. Some were saying that even before
he won three.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
And I think it was because and the reason I
compared him.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
The Mahomes was because Jordan, and you know we've talked
to as we've talked about the goat, Jordan had that
rare combination of incredible individual dominance statistically and otherwise with
winning big and Mahomes I saw even before he had won,
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I thought he could do the same thing. Not that
he'd win every super Bowl he was in, but I
thought he could win big and win a lot of them,
and unlike Brady, particularly early in his career in that
first you know, Tom Brady won three out of four
chance Super Bowls. Brady's numbers weren't anything special, whereas Mahomes's
numbers for the most part in his career have been huge,
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and so that was why compared him to Jordan. I
also think Jordan rob remember like Michael Jordan, at least
for me, I remember thinking like in the NBA, it
used to be you down fifteen, and this is before
the predominance of the three point shot, but when they
were a team was down fifteen with three or four
minutes left, it was over. And I felt like with
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Jordan that was no longer true, like he would come
back from those types of deficits.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
And Mahomes same way.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Now it's to the point where it's like, like we
said at the end of regulation, man, you gave him
the ball with a minute fifty left, he's definitely tying
it up and you better hope he doesn't score a
touchdown to win the game, but he's definitely.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Getting you a feel goal.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
And I mean, we all know he only needed thirteen
seconds against Buffalo that year. So I think in those ways,
that's why I feel like he's Jordanesque, and last night
did nothing to but bolster that.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
View for me.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Yeah, I think he has turned into the guy you
don't want to, uh leave the door open. If you
leave the door open for him, he's gonna beat you.
And time and time again, teams have just made the
wrong decision to give him those opportunities. And I think
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that's where when I'm talking about coaching. Even in the
Buffalo thing, Chris, you know what, they made some mistakes,
but they made mistakes, and then if you kick the ball,
the clock starts right, you know what I mean, Like
if they had done like a squib, yeah, saying they
should do a squib, Chris, and then you got and
then you got six seconds, so you know what, like
like you gotta do as little as possible, right, rather
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than let them six seconds.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
It's just that might be hard for.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
You're gonna have to have two defenders running to each
other for that work, you know what I mean. And
and it's stuff like that, And it's the same thing
not running the ball at the end of the game,
and then you give them a minute and fifty Chris
a minute and ten is different.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
It just is yep, yep, and I hear you like,
there's no room for error.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Right, you can't allow that, and he seizes those moments.
And that's what we've seen from Patrick Mahomes. I was skeptical,
you know, like that game, the way it started and
for the most part, and I just thought, man can't
get anything right. They can't get anything going really, and
then the muff punt, Like I'm a true believer of
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this special team stuff, Chris missing extra you know, extra points.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Those are the.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Ones that come back. I've watched a million football games,
you know what I'm saying. And when you when you
see the old you go, oh.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
That's gonna come back to haunt them. Just it just
is the way the game is.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Well, I'll tell you what, that's one place I will
fought John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
They don't like their kicker.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
And look, he made two fifty plus yarders and the
twenty seven yarders, so he was all right yesterday.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
But that that extra point, he kicked it.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Low and rob that may have cost him the game.
Because San Francisco on the net, I mean Kansas City
on their next drive, instead of getting a field goal,
they would have had to go for the touchdown.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
And if they don't get it, now you're in control. Right,
it makes a big difference for them, Like and you
mentioned the muff punting on it, like they looked last.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Night or really throughout the season, like they didn't put
as much emphasis on their special teams, whereas the Kansas
City has one of the best kickers in the league
in Harrison Buckers team.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Yeah, oh my god, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
And I agree, Like we can look at Buffalo, Baltimore
and San Francisco as teams that made critical errors late and.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
You there's really no room for error with when you're
playing him, because if you open the door, like you said,
he's gonna walk through it.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
And that's what that's his at moll he could play
bad Chris for three quarters, three and a half seriously
and then but but he'll wind up biting you at
the end. I mean, I looked at his numbers now
in four Super Bowls, seven touchdowns, five picks, but he's
won three times.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Normally, Chris, those aren't numbers that are gonna get you
super Bowls. But when not clot three with just seven touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
It just doesn't even sound like that would give you three,
you know, that would give you three super Bowls. But
that's what he has and uh, it has worked and
last night was an amazing finish. And we talked about
it before having a signature moment and he had one
after not having one.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Would you say to Scramble there were a few or
would you say there was a few and no in overtime?
To me, the fourth and the fourth and one where
he got the eight yards was big.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
It was big, but another scram But to throw the
touchdown Chris to win the game, as you know what
I mean, I mean, I just that could be that
could I mean, nobody was there was no defender whatever,
but what if that dropped? But if it passes? The
dudes were wide open, wide open. I mean there's no
there was nobody there.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
And that's what you're talking about, Like, I get it.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
They were good play designs and all that, but that's
where you San Francisco made some mistakes right that and
then again the punt which led to pump muff fumble
led to the first touchdown then had to go sixteen yards.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
I think Rob here and I look, I.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Firmly, I firmly expect mahos to continue getting the Super
Bowls and winning super Bowls. But it'll be interesting to
watch Rob because like right now, he is way ahead.
It's still hard to imagine somebody else, you know, him
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winning seven, but right now he is way ahead of
time Brady's pace if you I mean, yeah, we could
say Brady won three in his first four years, right,
which is faster than Brady also run. But because of
the drought, Brady won three in his first thirteen years,
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you know what I'm saying. So that's where if mahomes
So does again, I don't think this will happen, but
it's gonna be interesting to see. Does a drought follow
but even if it's not, next year, the year after
and then another nice stretch, or does he continue every
few years.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
To win a super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Well that's the big thing, because you can win early.
And remember after Brady cooled off in those nine years,
now they got to the Super Bowl. Remember they lost
to the Giants a couple of times and one not
so they will get it was still a good team,
right right, But they didn't win and there wasn't a
lot of they weren't the same Brady got was until
he won again. Finally, Chris that that kind of because
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then he matched Joe Montana's for remember that was I.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Think it picked up at Lait in my feeling as
an individual, and I do think publicly robbed. It really
picked up when in twenty two thousand and seven when
they got Randy Moss and he put up fifty touchdowns
and you know, all those yards and they were eighteen
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and oh and they didn't end up winning the Super Bowl.
But that year I remember myself thinking, oh wow, because
Brady had never been considered like a goat roight, I mean,
he was a lot of people still thought he was
a game man.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
No, and remember the first three Super Bowls were about
the Patriots defense and Adam Vanity anybody who.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
He made some good, big plays.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
I mean he had two touchdowns in some of those games,
but it was still it was driven mainly by defense,
and he managed the game and.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
And then and draw them down and Vanetary like right,
they finished off with field.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
Goal because Chris and and this is just part of
the game obviously, but if they had a bad field
goal kicker and he missed one or two of them
this whole that's.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
What we were talking about with the Niners.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
It changes your whole way you look at things. I mean,
it's such a big part, like people and the other
thing too, Chris, we talked about this, the running backs,
like getting yards and stuff when you needed to ice games.
When we talked about the devalue of running backs. I
just we saw Baltimore than News. They're running. You can't
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keep doing it. You won't, you won't, it'll stop you
from winning.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Yeah, and that's why I mean, and I don't know
that it's gonna change, but we have seen the value
of the running back in these not just these playoffs,
but this season. Now, I will say in Baltimore they
were down to their third stringer and he still was
getting chewing up yards. Cleveland lost, Nick Chubb still chewing
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up yards like they and I think that's kind of
unfortunately what a lot of teams look at Rob is.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Yeah, I mean, there are.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
A couple of guys that are real, you know, a
little different. But if we got a really good offensive line,
then we can run the ball with a guy that
you know, we're not paying that much. And now even
in Indianapolis, with Jonathan Taylor. Remember when he was hurt.
Before he came back, his backup was getting and so
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I hope it works out for these guys because another thing,
Rob is fans are going to see running backs. If
you've got one of those big name running backs, fans
are going to see them.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
And that should count for something.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
They're not going to see the left tackle, as important
as that position is. They're going to see a quarterback,
a wide receiver, a running back. Running Backs should be
compensated for that
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
A lot of people Rob are down on Kyle Shanahan.
He made some he made some sake and I'm just
gonna keep it real. I do think he's a good coach,
but they got out coached. And we talked to TJ.
Houschman's odd about it earlier, but itn Andy Reid is
arguably the best coach right now.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
So if you you know, that's not a shame that
he out coached you.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
But I did think that the Niners coaching staff made
some moves that I won't I mean, over the course
of sixty minutes, maybe it could cost you the game.
But I just thought they got out coach and I
thought Shanahan made some mistakes.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
And as we said, Rob.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Seven times in the Super Bowls teams have lost double
digit leads, and now he has been a part of
three of them. That's that is crazy. Rob once obviously
his offensive coordinator in Atlanta when they gave up a
twenty eight to three lead, and then the last two
times they played the Chiefs in the Super Bowl, and
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so that is that is you know, we talk about
Doc Rivers Rob in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
God knows, I saw a lot of things on social media.
Chris called him. They compare Doc Rivers of the yse
of the NFL. Saw it.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
But the only problem I had with that, And and
you know we've been critical of Doc, but Doc did
win a championship. I don't think that that's a fair comparison,
like Kyle hasn't won, Chris, so I can't. I think
I understand people are traded with Doc and of late,
but he did win a championship.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
I don't think that's fair.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, and I would say that, and that's fair because Doc,
you can't.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
They can't take that.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I was around that team. I went to training camp
with them in Rome that year and Doc did a
great job since then, though I get it. The thing
is Rob, where Shanahan would have an edge over him?
Is it least Shanahan's getting to the championship games whereas
Doc's not even getting past.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
And I get it and not get it right.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
And I get it because you know Doc has blown
series Chris whatever up three to one or whatever.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
So that that's I get. Like, that's what they're saying. Like,
I don't think it's a great comparison.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
You.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yeah, I really don't. But but I'm what are your
thoughts on Shanahan.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
I'm gonna say this, Chris, And you know me, Okay,
if you're writing your ripping.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yeah, if I'm writing, I'm ripping.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
And if I was a columnist in San Francisco, I
would I would write that Kyle Shanahan needs to be fired. Wow, Chris,
I fired. I'm not even kidding you. And I get it.
He's been to the super Bowl twice in four years.
I even give it of a coach. They take your
team to the super Bowl, they won all these games.
But you can't watch the same thing over and over
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and think it's gonna change. We've seen this. Chris Stanley
wound up losing his gig because he wouldn't a joint.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
No no, no, no, no, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Talking about that. I'm just talking about a just thing, Chris.
You can't keep doing the same thing and not.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Not figure it out, which is it comes a time.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
You could have a philosophy, Chris, right, and you throw
the football and all that, But there's a thing called
winning time, right, and you got it. You're talking about
being out coached. There's also a thing about just making
wrong decisions over and over and in these games up
ten points with seven minutes to go and all that.
(04:03):
You gotta understand that the more time you can eat
off the clock. Tom Brady can't come back and beat you.
Patrick Mahomes can't come back to beat you if you
limit Chris the amount of times they have.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
By also running the football.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
I'm not saying, dude, like change everything you've ever done
and play scared or whatever. That's not what I'm talking about.
These are first guesses. These are people watching going what
is this like? No nobody you talked about it, Chris.
Seven times it's happened in NFL Super Bowl history, right
(04:42):
where you blow a double digit lead, and he's done
it three times in the last five years or eight
years or six year, whatever's been Like, there's a problem there,
and I don't know if it's gonna get through. You
would have thought after he lost that twenty five point league,
that Tom Brady, Chris, where they ran the ball four
times in the second half, where they was set up
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for a field goal right at the twenty two all
they needed to do was kick that they would be
up by a layer of eleven. Brady can't beat you
like you would have. Okay, I blew that one. Then
we remember with Jimmy Garoppolo, Chris, they're up by ten.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
They used to have them throw the.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Ball and they were running the ball, and that get
better than this one, Chris. Remember that in that right
where they were running the ball and then all of
a sudden that they're having Jimmy Garoppolo throw like crazy.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
And you're like, what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
And in this case here, I just thought, Chris, I'm
not saying it was a guarantee, but if you would
have done run some run the ball that third and
four right there, I thought that was definitely a running.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Down that much time. You know, overtime, no in the
fourth or oh when they blitzed and Party kind of
threw it or short. I'm just saying you still eat
up clock.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
I would rather Patrick Mahomes has a minute and ten,
you see what I'm saying, rather than a minute in
fifty five.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Chris, there's a big new There.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Was no doubt for he was getting a field goal.
The only doubt was was it gonna be a field
goal or a touchdown? Right with Mahomes like, and I
will say this, I don't know. I'm not saying the run.
I'm disappointed that they didn't. And whether it's Shannahan or Party,
didn't you know audible at the line of scrimmage or
whatever they should have been able to know a blitz
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was coming.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
And Chris, let me just I'm gonna cuss.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
That they rob If they convert that first down, games
games probably over.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
And let me say this, Kyle Shanahan's offenses, Chris convert
just twenty five percent on third down in Super Bowl
seven for twenty eight. He's blown three the largest leagues
in Super Bowl history.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
We know that.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
And Shanahan's teams Chris have been outscored. He's the offensive
genius right outscored a combined fifty eight to twelve in
the fourth quarter in overtime that to fireball resume right there.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I disagree that.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
They should fire him, but obviously it's hard to defend
his record in these big games, the Super Bowls and
then even an NFC championship game. What I would do,
and maybe the Niners have done this. I think John
Lynch is good. I think obviously they're a good organization.
I would hope they've done this Rob, but they need
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to really sit down with him and talk about these things.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
And coaches have their issues.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
It's a big one to have, but I get a
prime example, Rob is Andy Reid. Remember the issues Andy
had in Philadelphia clock management, couldn't win the big one,
that's what. Now he got great quarterback, but quick right,
all the success that Andy Reed had, they went the
four straight on.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
His last year. I think they went four to twelve,
but I'm just saying no. But I mean he had
had a lot of success.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Yeah, and they were going to the NFC Championship game,
they made it to a super Bowl, and then they
had the bad year and they were like, Okay, we
got to move on from right.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
But yeah, he so he obviously.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Has turned that around now and some people were saying
he's maybe the best coach ever or will be.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Soon in that conversation.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
So I would not fire Kyle Shanahan, but I do
think Rob, I'll go over a few up now he did.
He air litany of errors yesterday, one obviously taking the
ball at the start of the overtime. And I look
what he said about I wanted the third possession right
(08:54):
where if we go down and score touchdown, they come
back and score touchdown, well, then after that is sudden
death and we'll have the ball and all we gotta
do is get a field goal and it's over. I
get that logic, but here's the problem with it. One,
you gotta get through the first two possessions right, and
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two it doesn't necessarily have to be sudden death because
if the Niners that marched down Robin scored a touchdown
kick the extra.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Point, the Chiefs could have went down, scored a touchdown
and guess what went for two and beat you.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
So right, there's no guarantee you were gonna get that
third possession.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
And here's what the biggest.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Thing I didn't like about it, Rob, When they scored
that field goal, which you know you can you can
think reasonably that they can hold the Chiefs to a
field goal, right, You know they hadn't been they only
they hadn't marched on them for touchdown drives that much
throughout the game. They had two touchdowns. One was the
short one off the blown punt that we talked about,
(10:00):
just sixteen yards. So they had done a good job
of stopping him for the most part. But you gave
Patrick Mahomes four downs.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
That That was my first thought after they got the
field goal.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I was like, the problem is he's gonna get four downs, right,
and they know they have to score, So like that
fourth and one, they went for it from their own
thirty four. They had no choice, whereas if you if
you had let them go first and they end up
fourth and one from their thirty four, their punning and
now you got a chance to just win it and ended.
And so I thought that was Matt rob You talked
(10:35):
about the clock management. I thought at the end of
the first half, when the Chiefs had the ball and
they finally put some points on the ball with a
field goal, made it ten to three going in at halftime,
Shanahan could have stopped the clock a few times with
his timeouts and they could have got the ball with
about a minute left and had maybe had a chance.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
To get a field goal. If not more, would you
be shot.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Right?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
He let it go to They end up getting the
ball with twenty seconds left and doing nothing with it.
Here's what I'm thinking now about Shanahan rob He reminds
me a little, and I'm only saying a little because
I want to see more before I make the full
blown comparison.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
But it's starting to remind me of Mike D'Antoni.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Mike D'Antoni might be on the something right there, and
he never won.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
No offensive genius, had great teams changed the game to
some degree, right, but his lack of attention to detail.
And those playoff series with the Suns, you would always
they would play the Spurs and you could just see
that the Sons are getting lost defensively. They're turning the
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ball over at the inopportune times, not the Spurs, or
when they getting the fruck Us frank Us right, and
the Spurs players stay on the bench, not the Suns.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
They get up rate to fight and they.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Get suspended like that, lack of attention to detail.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
What happened yesterday? The Chiefs players.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Knew about the new overtime rules, the Niners players didn't
You hadn't even gone over it with him, and whoshman
Zada thinks.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
You didn't even know. Yeah, that's a lack of attention
to detail.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
And then at the end of the first half, that's
another lack of attention to detail. So that is hurting
them again. To me, I would not fire him right now.
I think he's done a good job overall, but you
gotta get over the hump. And next year Rob is
critical for them because they don't have to pay In fact,
they can't pay Brock pretty big money, which means they're
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gonna keep all their stars around him. If they don't
win it next year, when are they gonna win it,
Because then you're gonna either pay Party eventually and not
be able to have as many great players around him,
or if you move on and you don't want to
pay him now, you're starting over with another guy. So
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next year is critical for them, and they are favorite,
believe it or not, to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah, which they I think the Chiefs should be.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
But I just think Chris at some point to me,
three chances, you know, and I know he was the
offensive coordinator, but those calls were awful and that situation
to blow that. I just think you have to look
at it and say, is this guy gonna get it done?
So anyway I'm dead, sir. I think I know they
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won't do it because he's been in two Super Bowl
But if I looked at his resume and what he's
done and these numbers are abysmal, I would fire him.
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here on Fox Sports Radio, we bring in the Man TJ.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Houschmann's out of TJ. What's up? Brought up?
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Man?
Speaker 5 (14:41):
How are you man riving? Chris? What's up? Baby?
Speaker 4 (14:45):
I got to see TJ. Chris in Las Vegas. He
was there doing this thing and he looks like he
could still play. Doesn't have an ounce of fat on
his body. He looks great, loose, great.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
Hey, look and be deceived.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Can I tell you that got on big clones?
Speaker 5 (15:03):
Right?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
I got big clones on may Well, TJ.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Obviously it was a competitive and at the end thrilling
super Bowl, and you had some harsh words in your
tweet for the San Francisco forty nine ers coaching staff.
So I'm gonna read it and then I want you
to respond. This is your tweet. I'm sorry. Shannahan, Kyle Shanahan,
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and Steve Wooks, the defensive coordinator called a terrible game,
got away from the run early in the second half
and it cost them. Wiolks was just as bad, if
not worse. So tell us what you're referring to. And
you obviously think, do you feel like San Francisco gave
this away more than Kansas City took it?
Speaker 5 (15:48):
One thousand nine Ers gave a Super Bowl away? Then
let's kind of go through the game.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Yeah, let's do it, because I'm with you. It was ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Hey, So Patrick Mahon saws that interception right right out
in the third quarter. It's about the forty nine yard line,
if I'm not mistaken, their midfield.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
They had it at Kansas City's forty four.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Okay forty four. The forty nine ers had had tremendous
success running the ball. Now they weren't gashing them, but
they're getting three, four or five yards of pop.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Why wouldn't you run it?
Speaker 5 (16:21):
They passed past pass and then a punt. If you
run the ball, at worst, you're getting a field goal
out of it. At worst, shirt Now Moody has to
make it the low extra point. It looked like he
was going to miss it anyway. But run the ball.
What are you doing? Run the ball? And he comes
out and he throws the ball. They lose yards and
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they have to punt, and it's like, what is going
on here? He didn't get back to the run till
midway through the fourth quarter. I mean, they literally were
just coming out just throwing the.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Ball every down And this is the.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Third time, the third time Kyle Shanahan as an offensive
coordinator or head coach had a double digit lead in
the Super Bowl and lost it.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
And this only happened seventeen seven times. And he's done
it three, tophtory of the league, and he's done it three.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
And here here's the other thing too.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Let me ask you in the fourth quarter before the
game tying drive, you know, for the field goal he
third and four, they passed the ball to TJ.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Why not run the ball right?
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (17:26):
It right?
Speaker 4 (17:27):
And then you got then you might go for it, yeah,
and then you might go for it, depending on what
it is. You get the first down, the game's over,
Like it didn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
To throw the ball there.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Also, you want to leave Patrick Mahomes as little ass
amount of time as possible. And then they had almost
two minutes plus two timeouts and he didn't even Andy,
we didn't even have to burn us timeout. I didn't
even understand that. And you're right, he's done this before,
and I can't understand how he doesn't close out games.
(17:58):
You remember the Falcons game with Julio Jones first and
ten at to twenty two, and they throw the ball,
a sack.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
And a holding, run the ball, run the ball.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Now theyj they did run thirty one times and they
only were averaging three and a half.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Yards of carry.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
And that's fine though, because if you think about the
negative yard yards plays, what goes against the average. But
for the most part, they were effective running the ball.
They ran it thirty one times, they probably should have
run it thirty nine times. They probably should have run
it thirty nine times because that was the key to
the victory. This Kansas City deepense is good, very very good,
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and so when you have them on the ropes, you
have to take advantage of it and then converse. Let's
go to the defense side the ball. Let's go to
the last drive. You remember when Balda Scatley catches that
hitch and then he loses a bunch of yards and
it makes you second fifteen. Steve Wilkes comes out in
a cover zero. He's not disguising it. Everybody's off eleven
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yards and the rest of the guy, what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (19:00):
I agree some of the Yeah, when you were watching
that TJ, what'd you think?
Speaker 5 (19:05):
I know he's really I swear, I promise you. I said,
everybody's gonna drop out there, They're gonna drop out. He
literally covers zero, Like, what are you doing? They catch
it this eight yards now, second and fifteen turns into
third and six and guess what, he did it again?
Cover zero again. Why do you think later down on
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that drive, you remember when Shanahan called a timeout.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Yeah, yeah, it was the same.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Exact look and it was cover zero. He was, if
you're gonna do it, at least disguise it. He he
going to commit a crime without a mask on, like
you telling you you're gonna what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
No?
Speaker 1 (19:45):
I agree because it I mean in the first half,
obviously their defense was dominant, they were getting to mahomes.
And in the second half it was largely different. And
it looked like Kansas City made the adjustments.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
In the That's exactly what it is. It's called adjustments
by coaching. The coaches of the Chiefs made adjustments. And
Steve Wilks's night you had two weeks to prepare, you
watch film for two weeks and that show cover zero. Blitch.
You see when Spags was blitzing you ain't nowhere was
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he made the quarterback have to think. And it's just
I felt like forty nine ers literally gave that game away.
When when the Chiefs defense needs a big play, a
big stop. We all know if you watch football, Fags
is going to blitch you. He's gonna blitch you. But
you go empty run of fake jet sweet to macaffrey. Yes,
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Jawan Jimmis was open, but nobody block. Nobody said we're
not gonna bock the best player on the Chiefs who
was christ That was why get in that formation where
it's you're in a spread and nobody in the backfield
like why and you know he's gonna bring press that
this is what he does.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
What do you think of What do you think of
Shanahan's decision to take the ball in overtime?
Speaker 3 (21:08):
A lot of people being critical of that.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
He said, that's what it. Analytics department said, I don't
believe that. I believe he just didn't understand the rules.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
And but some players would come out and said that
they didn't know. I mean, I don't believe that.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
All you got to do is a reason.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
So you think he thought if they get a touchdown,
so they win it.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Nobody listen, man, listen, who in their right mind would
do that? Who's going to take the ball first? Not
only you? You always want to play defense because you
get an extra down and you know exactly what you need,
why would you take the ball that makes zero stick?
Speaker 3 (21:44):
And it makes sense if it's sudden death?
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Right?
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Did I want the ball first? Right?
Speaker 5 (21:49):
If it's sudden that's that's why he and that's why
he took the ball because he thought it was sudden
If you think he's gonna get up on that plotium
and say, oh, I didn't realize it was sudden death, No,
he's not going to say that. He's going to put
it on the analytics department and then he's going to
say to himself, oh wow, that's probably a rule I
should have been aware of.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
T J.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Let me ask you go ahead, I'm sorry, But he's.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
Not going to say that public because he knows the
following day exactly.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
How about brock Party, where were you on? His performance?
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Started off pretty good, a lull and then at the
end maybe play better.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
But overall what what was your overall grade for him?
And can you win a Super Bowl with him?
Speaker 5 (22:32):
Rob? I may be in a minority with this. I
like brock Party. I like him. I'm accurate im with
he throws the ball long time and if he wasn't
mister irrelevant. Nobody would talk about all the bad plays
that he makes.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Everybody makes bad but some people are out on him
now after the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
So I thought even improved the stock in the super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
I've heard a lot of people I've heard a lot
of to be out in Well, they just I mean
he didn't do He played.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
No I a year as a starter, he lead the
team to both right right, first fall year starter Because
when a quarterback doesn't have weapons, what is the first
thing that the media says he needs help? He needs weapons.
He's on a team with weapons, and he led him
to the super Bowl because if he didn't have weapons,
that would be the first thing everybody would trade. I
like bron Party. I think Brock Party is a good quarterback.
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I think people are on his head for no reason.
And so his first year as a starter to lead
a team to the super Bowl, he did a hell
of a job.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I'm with you on Party. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I think, look, obviously Tom Brady's to go with his
accomplishments and stuff, but I think TJ the best quarterback
I've ever seen, and I think the best quarterback any
of us have ever seen is Patrick Mahomes, Where are
you on all that?
Speaker 5 (23:49):
Patrick Mahomes from an Ites is the best quarterback that
I've seen play the position. He just always feels like
and it always seems like ten seconds on o'clock they're
gonna win. Two minutes, Oh for sure, they're gonna win.
Like he's he's done it with thirteen seconds. So anything
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more than that, you have to feel like he's going
to get it done. Now, does he need more accomplishes, more,
acculate more than super bowls? He does, but he does
not in my it for me, he does not have
to reach seven. If he gets six, he's by far
the greats any more than I don't know if we'll
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ever see this again. He's just that good. He's so
calm under pressure. Okay, I need to run for this
first time.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Okay, so let me ask you this question.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Okay, one three, So say he doesn't win any more
super Bowls. He wins three, but he had a run
three out of five, Where would you put him?
Speaker 5 (24:56):
It's hard to put him over Brady just because Brady
had two runs where look like he was the best quarterback.
Then oh they say I'm done. Now I'm the best
quarterback again. I mean it was almost like Kobe with
eight in the twenty four. You know, it's just two
separate careers, and both of those careers are Hall of
Fame careers. He has careers all in one.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
I think Mahmes has to win more to be the goat.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
But I'm just talking about like you said, I tessk
what I Mahme gets to six.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
If he gets to six, it's no question, no question.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Is is he six and one or six and five?
Speaker 3 (25:35):
I mean you say, no question. Does the losses matter
at all?
Speaker 5 (25:41):
The losses?
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Well, but no, I'm asking you. I'm asking you.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
You say, if he gets if he gets to six,
but he's six and five, so he went to eleven
super Bowls. I'm just our ten like Brady, and he's
five and five. Couldn't you couldn't say he's the goat
the way.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
He performs rop I can't even imagine him losing fight.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
No, of course not.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
But I'm just giving he gets there and that is
the case. No, he isn't the goat. No, okay, no,
I can't imagine him doing that. Because if it was
based off titles, then everybody would say Bill Russ was
the greatest basketball play every play off.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
It's not just titles. We've talked about this before. Can
we talk about it with Michael Jordan. Now people always
just use that, but he was a great player all
around and did all kinds of the stuff.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
Today. My own is a special and just think about this.
He did this without a bonifid go to receiver. She
Wright as a rookie was his go top. Do you
understand they're going to be better next year if they
better keep ninety five? Let them lose ninety five. Watch
out his crashing bur That's going.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
To be interesting.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
If they will be better on offense because they're going
to get a dynamic receiver. Trusting, but they're going to
go get somebody that can really get down the field
to stress this defense. They'll be better on offense. They'll
be better on offense. That's scary, all right, TJ.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
We got to run, man, Thank you, brother. We appreciate
the knowledge.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
Man. I appreciate you guys. Man keep killing it man.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
All right, man, thank you.
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win over the forty nine Ers his third Super Bowl
and third Super Bowl MVP. So again, congratulations to Patrick
Mahomes and Rob.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
You know that I have said I said years ago.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I said that summer after or off season after his
first season as a starter, when he threw fifty touchdowns
over five thousand yards won the MVP in his first
year as a starter, I said he was Jordan esque
and hadn't even won anything yet, but I think that
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this guy and now is catching on out here in
Tony Romo saying this is like the Jordan era in
the NBA, in the NFL, and nobody's gonna win rings
because of this guy. And Damian Wood he's saying the
same thing. And I thought last night watching Patrick Mahomes. Now,
like I said, I don't think he's the goat yet.
(29:01):
I think he will be, but it reminded me of
like watching Jordan. Rob Jordan was considered by many to
be the Goat before his accomplishments had kind of warranted it.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
After his three peak.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
When he first retired, most people were saying he's the
greatest basketball player ever. Some were saying that even before
he won three.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
And I think it was because and the reason I
compared him.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
The Mahomes was because Jordan, and you know we've talked
to as we've talked about the goat, Jordan had that
rare combination of incredible individual dominance statistically and otherwise with
winning big and Mahomes I saw even before he had won,
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I thought he could do the same thing. Not that
he'd win every super Bowl he was in, but I
thought he could win big and win a lot of them,
and unlike Brady, particularly early in his career in that
first you know, Tom Brady won three out of four
chance Super Bowls. Brady's numbers weren't anything special, whereas Mahomes's
numbers for the most part in his career have been huge,
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and so that was why compared him to Jordan. I
also think Jordan rob remember like Michael Jordan, at least
for me, I remember thinking like in the NBA, it
used to be you down fifteen, and this is before
the predominance of the three point shot, but when they
were a team was down fifteen with three or four
minutes left, it was over. And I felt like with
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Jordan that was no longer true, like he would come
back from those types of deficits.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
And Mahomes same way.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Now it's to the point where it's like, like we
said at the end of regulation, man, you gave him
the ball with a minute fifty left, he's definitely tying
it up and you better hope he doesn't score a
touchdown to win the game, but he's definitely.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Getting you a feel goal.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
And I mean, we all know he only needed thirteen
seconds against Buffalo that year. So I think in those ways,
that's why I feel like he's Jordanesque, and last night
did nothing to but bolster that.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
View for me.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Yeah, I think he has turned into the guy you
don't want to, uh leave the door open. If you
leave the door open for him, he's gonna beat you.
And time and time again, teams have just made the
wrong decision to give him those opportunities. And I think
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that's where when I'm talking about coaching. Even in the
Buffalo thing, Chris, you know what, they made some mistakes,
but they made mistakes, and then if you kick the ball,
the clock starts right, you know what I mean, Like
if they had done like a squib, yeah, saying they
should do a squib, Chris, and then you got and
then you got six seconds, so you know what, like
like you gotta do as little as possible, right, rather
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than let them six seconds.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
It's just that might be hard for.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
You're gonna have to have two defenders running to each
other for that work, you know what I mean. And
and it's stuff like that, And it's the same thing
not running the ball at the end of the game,
and then you give them a minute and fifty Chris
a minute and ten is different.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
It just is yep, yep, and I hear you like,
there's no room for error.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Right, you can't allow that, and he seizes those moments.
And that's what we've seen from Patrick Mahomes. I was skeptical,
you know, like that game, the way it started and
for the most part, and I just thought, man can't
get anything right. They can't get anything going really, and
then the muff punt, Like I'm a true believer of
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this special team stuff, Chris missing extra you know, extra points.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Those are the.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Ones that come back. I've watched a million football games,
you know what I'm saying. And when you when you
see the old you go, oh.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
That's gonna come back to haunt them. Just it just
is the way the game is.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Well, I'll tell you what, that's one place I will
fought John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
They don't like their kicker.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
And look, he made two fifty plus yarders and the
twenty seven yarders, so he was all right yesterday.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
But that that extra point, he kicked it.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Low and rob that may have cost him the game.
Because San Francisco on the net, I mean Kansas City
on their next drive, instead of getting a field goal,
they would have had to go for the touchdown.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
And if they don't get it, now you're in control. Right,
it makes a big difference for them, Like and you
mentioned the muff punting on it, like they looked last.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Night or really throughout the season, like they didn't put
as much emphasis on their special teams, whereas the Kansas
City has one of the best kickers in the league
in Harrison Buckers team.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Yeah, oh my god, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
And I agree, Like we can look at Buffalo, Baltimore
and San Francisco as teams that made critical errors late and.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
You there's really no room for error with when you're
playing him, because if you open the door, like you said,
he's gonna walk through it.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
And that's what that's his at moll he could play
bad Chris for three quarters, three and a half seriously
and then but but he'll wind up biting you at
the end. I mean, I looked at his numbers now
in four Super Bowls, seven touchdowns, five picks, but he's
won three times.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Normally, Chris, those aren't numbers that are gonna get you
super Bowls. But when not clot three with just seven touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
It just doesn't even sound like that would give you three,
you know, that would give you three super Bowls. But
that's what he has and uh, it has worked and
last night was an amazing finish. And we talked about
it before having a signature moment and he had one
after not having one.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Would you say to Scramble there were a few or
would you say there was a few and no in overtime?
To me, the fourth and the fourth and one where
he got the eight yards was big.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
It was big, but another scram But to throw the
touchdown Chris to win the game, as you know what
I mean, I mean, I just that could be that
could I mean, nobody was there was no defender whatever,
but what if that dropped? But if it passes? The
dudes were wide open, wide open. I mean there's no
there was nobody there.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
And that's what you're talking about, Like, I get it.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
They were good play designs and all that, but that's
where you San Francisco made some mistakes right that and
then again the punt which led to pump muff fumble
led to the first touchdown then had to go sixteen yards.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
I think Rob here and I look, I.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Firmly, I firmly expect mahos to continue getting the Super
Bowls and winning super Bowls. But it'll be interesting to
watch Rob because like right now, he is way ahead.
It's still hard to imagine somebody else, you know, him
(36:24):
winning seven, but right now he is way ahead of
time Brady's pace if you I mean, yeah, we could
say Brady won three in his first four years, right,
which is faster than Brady also run. But because of
the drought, Brady won three in his first thirteen years,
(36:44):
you know what I'm saying. So that's where if mahomes
So does again, I don't think this will happen, but
it's gonna be interesting to see. Does a drought follow
but even if it's not, next year, the year after
and then another nice stretch, or does he continue every
few years.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
To win a super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Well that's the big thing, because you can win early.
And remember after Brady cooled off in those nine years,
now they got to the Super Bowl. Remember they lost
to the Giants a couple of times and one not
so they will get it was still a good team,
right right, But they didn't win and there wasn't a
lot of they weren't the same Brady got was until
he won again. Finally, Chris that that kind of because
(37:28):
then he matched Joe Montana's for remember that was I.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Think it picked up at Lait in my feeling as
an individual, and I do think publicly robbed. It really
picked up when in twenty two thousand and seven when
they got Randy Moss and he put up fifty touchdowns
and you know, all those yards and they were eighteen
(37:53):
and oh and they didn't end up winning the Super Bowl.
But that year I remember myself thinking, oh wow, because
Brady had never been considered like a goat roight, I mean,
he was a lot of people still thought he was
a game man.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
No, and remember the first three Super Bowls were about
the Patriots defense and Adam Vanity anybody who.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
He made some good, big plays.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
I mean he had two touchdowns in some of those games,
but it was still it was driven mainly by defense,
and he managed the game and.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
And then and draw them down and Vanetary like right,
they finished off with field.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
Goal because Chris and and this is just part of
the game obviously, but if they had a bad field
goal kicker and he missed one or two of them
this whole that's.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
What we were talking about with the Niners.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
It changes your whole way you look at things. I mean,
it's such a big part, like people and the other
thing too, Chris, we talked about this, the running backs,
like getting yards and stuff when you needed to ice games.
When we talked about the devalue of running backs. I
just we saw Baltimore than News. They're running. You can't
(39:00):
keep doing it. You won't, you won't, it'll stop you
from winning.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Yeah, and that's why I mean, and I don't know
that it's gonna change, but we have seen the value
of the running back in these not just these playoffs,
but this season. Now, I will say in Baltimore they
were down to their third stringer and he still was
getting chewing up yards. Cleveland lost, Nick Chubb still chewing
(39:27):
up yards like they and I think that's kind of
unfortunately what a lot of teams look at Rob is.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Yeah, I mean, there are.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
A couple of guys that are real, you know, a
little different. But if we got a really good offensive line,
then we can run the ball with a guy that
you know, we're not paying that much. And now even
in Indianapolis, with Jonathan Taylor. Remember when he was hurt.
Before he came back, his backup was getting and so
(40:02):
I hope it works out for these guys because another thing,
Rob is fans are going to see running backs. If
you've got one of those big name running backs, fans
are going to see them.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
And that should count for something.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
They're not going to see the left tackle, as important
as that position is. They're going to see a quarterback,
a wide receiver, a running back. Running Backs should be
compensated for that
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