May 29, 2024 • 39 mins
Chris and Rob discuss whether other sports leagues like the NBA and the NFL should follow MLB’s lead after they retroactively integrated Negro League statistics and tell us if we can expect Dwyane Wade to team up with the ‘Inside the NBA’ guys at NBC in two years. Plus, NBA champion and FOX Sports Radio NBA analyst Antonio Daniels swings by to discuss whether the Minnesota Timberwolves have it in them to comeback from down 0-3 to the Dallas Mavericks, the narrative that Minnesota should look to trade Karl-Anthony Towns this offseason, why the timing was perfect for Ty Lue to extend with the Los Angeles Clippers and much more!
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Speaker 5 (01:13):
Absolutely so Rob.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yesterday we talked about the Negro Leagues statistics being integrated
into Major League Baseball's official statistics, and so that means
that like instead of Ty Cobb having the all time
record for career batting average.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
I think his was three sixty two or something like that.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I think it was three sixty six.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Okay, Josh Gibson now has it in his is three
seventy three or three seventy two. So things like that,
you know. And now, Rob, I think three of the
top five batting averages of all time are players from
the knee leagues. And that got me to thinking, Rob,
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what about should other leagues follow suit and maybe integrate
if there were legitimate leagues going on besides their own,
should other leagues kind of integrate those into the statistics.
And mainly the one I was thinking about, Rob, is
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the A B, A and the NBA.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
I thought that that's where you were coming up with
this was was the A BA and NBA. And I'm
the only reason I'm gonna say, I'm gonna pause and
say no, is that there wasn't some diabolical thing that
stopped people from playing either the ABA or the NBA.
And they were separate entities that don't have the best
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the mark.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
On it, Chris, it wasn't discrimination.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Right, they just didn't you know, like it just there's
nothing thing there that says that you couldn't have played
in the ABA, or you couldn't have been playing in
the NBA. We talk about all of the time Dave
Winfield was drafted by both the ABA, the NBA, the
NFL and Major League Baseball, right like like he could
have played in ABA, or he could have played in
the NBA. Where I think the only reason why this
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works in baseball is because of what happened historically. And
it wasn't about people's lack of skill. This wasn't a
skills burrier, Chris. It was strictly a color barrier. It
didn't matter how good you were or what you could do.
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If you were black, you couldn't play. And I think
that that's the difference and why it's important. I know
I had people today talk about each year Row before
he came to the United States, Chris, I think he
had two thousand hits in Japan.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Should he could be the all time hits the leader?
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Off we include his hits in Japan? And then he
got another on three thousand here right as each year
rodeo all time hit leader. If we include his stats
in Japan? Again, no, because at that time that's where
he was playing. There was no bar for him to come.
You know, maybe they couldn't. You'd have to pay those
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Japanese teams to release them. But there was no racial
prejudice or something that barred his ability just based on
his skin color, or you know, whatever.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
You might take.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
So I think what baseball's done here is a little different,
and I'm cool with this, but I don't want everything
merged together.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
No, that's fair. I think what you said is fair.
Certainly it was racial discrimination. Racism is what it was.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Wait clip, clear and simple, right, there's no if in
no gray area. Anybody who thinks that those guys couldn't
play or kidna themselves Chris, Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
You're not.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
If you're trying to say that the Negro Leagues players
weren't as good and the Negro League itself was not
as good as Major League Baseball, I think that's just
racist because when you look at what African Americans have
done in baseball, Chris up and some they can be
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are just as good as any other race, and many
of the greatest players ever are African American. Many Rob
and Martin White said this last night. From nineteen forty
nine to nineteen sixty two, they have fourteen MVPs in
the National League, eleven.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Of them were black.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Hello, and all but one of them, Morey Willims, had
actually played in the negro leagues.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
So you can't.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I mean, that's just in addition to the fact that
they used to play each other sometimes and the black
teams would win just as much as the white teams.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
That's knowing it.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
So forth, So I think, and Rod, we feel in
the fact that the Federal League and even a few
other leagues have their statistics recognized by count League Baseball.
For you to not raise anything a stink about those
and now you want to get mad about the negro leagues,
you need to look in the mirror and see what
your real motive is.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Real talk and the thing you bring up, do you
know you know why?
Speaker 4 (06:21):
And we talked about this to a little bit yesterday,
Chris on why all those MVPs were in the National League,
because that was the Black League. The white American League
didn't have and didn't want. I told you the last
three teams with black players Red Sox, Yankees, Tigers, I
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think it were other three.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
You said, those are four? You mentioned four.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Yet and the other one was the Phillies. The other
one was the Phillies. That's what their national league, you
know what I mean? But those were those three teams
were the last. And I brought up Boston because Jackie
Robinson broken in nineth Team forty seven, Chris nineteen fifty nine,
twelve years after Jackie twelve years. Could you imagine sitting
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the stands going, what, we still don't have a black player.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
They didn't care. They kept going no.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
I'm sure if many of the fans were fine with it.
But here's what got me thinking about the ABA and Rob.
It was before this, way, before this where I started
really looking at this. Because when I really sat down
and analyzed the ABA versus the NBA, what I saw obviously,
Rob so many if you go to the nineteen slate,
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sixties through really that decade from the mid sixties to
the mid seventies, and you name the best player basketball
players in the world at that time Rob in that decade,
half of them were in the ABAC J George Gervin,
Artist Gilmore, dan Issel, rick Berry, you could go on
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and on, Charlie Scott.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
They had some terrific players. And then Rob.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Cause you know, obviously we talk a lot about championships
when we measure players, greatness and all of that stuff.
And when I looked at, you know, the ABA and
the NBA, ROB used to play exhibition games where their teams,
not all star teams, but like their regular teams would
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play against each other. So ABA teams would play NBA
teams and so on and so forth and Rob. They
did this throughout, you know, for several years, and the
ABA came out on top. ABA won seventy nine games,
the NBA won seventy six. And then when they the
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last three years before the merger, the ABA won sixty.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
Five percent of the games.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
So you cannot say that the ABA was not as
good as the NBA.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
It might have even been better.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
And with so many of those players moving into the NBA, ROB,
I look at what that would do for legacies, like,
for instance, doctor J.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Now doctor J is Rob.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Guess where do you think doctor J ranks all time
in NBA scoring? Like what number thirtieth, chien whatever.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
I'm gonna say, twenty fifth, I don't know what doctor
J twenty.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Fifth, seventy six?
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Wow, well he yeah, he joined the league. That that
makes sense. A little later he joined the league and
was seventy six Crystals.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
His first year.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Ye, yeah, hit on the play.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
I think he retired at eighty maybe eighty seven, yeah,
ten years. But Rob, if you counted his ABA stats,
which again I think we've established was against just as
good a competition, he would be eighth doctor J had
thirty thousand points total. He also would have three MVPs
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instead of one. He would have three championships instead of one,
and so that starts to change the way you look
at things. And I look, I think the one challenge
with this, like it would be easy Rob to merge
the stats, but the question is championships. So do you
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just say that for those ten years or whatever that
the ABA was around, there were two you know what
I mean, there's an ABA champion and an NBA champion.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
I mean you could do that, there's no nothing wrong
with that.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
But I just think the ABA has a legitimate because
you're right. Was it racial discrimination, No question it was right,
but very close, you know what I mean. And not
only the fact that so many ABA players ended up
playing in the NBA, that they played against each other
in ABA was just as good. But Rob Today's NBA
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resembles the ABA more than the NBA of that time,
more wide open, more the street ball in the ABA,
which the NBA was a lot more sedate, and you know,
uh formulaic and stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
You're right, the.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Three point line, right, cheerleader slam duncan.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
That was all A B A BA stuff, right, And Chris,
here you go.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
You can tell me I'm wrong.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
You can tell me i'm I think part of the
disrespect for the A B A and just tell me
if I'm off base. I think the red white and
blue ball made it like a clown's league.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I don't agree, Okay, I mean, okay, we were kids,
so I was a kid.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
I remember actually having a red, white and blue.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
But I sometimes because that's the ball that the Halem
Globe Trotters used.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah, look, you might be right. I don't think you're right,
but again I was a kid at the time.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
I right about the Globe Trotters. Didn't they use that ball? Right,
A red white and blue ball?
Speaker 6 (12:28):
I think checked that out for us. Please, I'm almost
positive that they did. But I don't think that's it.
I think it's just it was rob Let's face it.
It's competition, right. The NBA was trying to squash the.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
A B ah.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
No, some degree right, they did, and they want to
be We're the King, We're the King League.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
But you could be right. I don't think it's it's that.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
He picked up.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Rob G did look it up, and I'm right, they
Globe try to use the red, white, and blue ball
like because it was colorful, it was entertaining, it was
of that ILK, whereas you're right to the NBA was
more drab, you know what I mean, Chris, and more.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
They didn't have cheerleaders at halftime doing dance or in
between you know, breaks and things like that.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
The other league. Rob G, we were talking about this
before the show and.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
He mentioned the Japanese League as you did with Ichi Row.
And my thing that that, I guess is similar to
your argument against the AB. I said, number one, it
wasn't racial discrimination. There was no discrimination that you know,
as the why the leagues were separate. And two, that's
a whole nother country and not even a whole other country,
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that's a whole nother continent.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I mean, you can't just include.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Every that's the other side of the world, Like, I
don't think that that's understandably separate. At least the ABA.
It was here in America. And it became an integral
part of the NBA.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
That would be my argument.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
That's not that's not ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
I mean, I get it if you wanted to somehow
combine the two and make it just basketball kind of like.
See if it was like that, like you have in baseball,
the American League in the National.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
League make up the major leagues. Do you see what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
You had the ABA and NBA, Chris, and they make
up major Basketball league.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Like that would be ABA, NBA, American League, National League.
Like I think that it would have to be of
that ILK. Like if you were to try to make
it mesh.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Well, let me ask you this before we open it
up to callers. I mean, and I don't know how
much you delve into the rankings yourself other than just
when we talk about it. But doctor J, now he's
got one championship and one MVP in the NBA. If
he were now a guy that s they had three
MVP and three championships, would that that would change kind
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of where we right, doctor J.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
There's no doubt about it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
To be honest, I think the sad part is Chris
because the ABA didn't survive. And those four teams for
people who don't know, you know, you can look it up.
But four teams went into the area, Nuggets, PA, Pacers, and.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Who was the fourth who was merged?
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Nuggets, Pacers, nets and the nets right and the nets
those are the four that made it in.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
So it wasn't an equal merger. That's the no.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
And that's the other thing why the.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
NBA holds the power because.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Exactly that's my point.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
There's only four teams going into the league. It wasn't
like it was twelve and twelve, you know, like or
something like that.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
The Abu mad had about eleven twelve teams.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
And that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
The NBA always have more teams, So that part is legitimate.
But I I last thing I'll say, Rob I've thought about. Look,
when Jerry West won his only ring in seventy two,
half the best players in the world were in the ABA.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
When that's Wilt's second ring.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
When Oscar Robertson won his only ring, half the best
players in the in the ABA.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Kareem's first ring, the Knicks two championships.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Half of the best players in the world weren't even
in the NBA, so that you know what I mean.
If we do value those championships, I'm thinking we should
value the guys that want it in the ABA just
as much. Rick Barry, I know he won the NBA.
I think he might have got won in the ABA two.
But yeah, so it's it's interesting. Let's throw it out
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Major League Baseball did with the Negro leagues. That would
change some all time rankings and things like that.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
So what are your thoughts?
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Speaker 2 (18:24):
Now that Major.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
League Baseball has integrated the Negro League statistics into their official.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Stats and record books, what about other leagues?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
The NBA should they bring in the ABAS records officially?
Speaker 5 (18:42):
Maybe any other leagues you want to look at? Your thoughts?
Christ and Rob dakame.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
All right, Chris, let's kick it off with Rob and Milwaukee.
You're on the Odd Couple. Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
What's up Rob?
Speaker 8 (18:53):
Hey, good afternoon.
Speaker 9 (18:55):
I thinks for taking my call. Bruce Hard just want
to say the first things first, I'd love the show.
Watch it every Thank you man, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (19:03):
Yeah, So you know I was a little conflicted, you know,
Dan passive point. We're looking at, you know, qualifications for
the Hall of Fame. It's the basketball Hall of Fame,
the NBA Hall of Fame, football hall of.
Speaker 8 (19:16):
Fame, not the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 10 (19:18):
So I absolutely think.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
That a phone Yeah, can you call back? My god,
we just can't just cracking there.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah, we want to hear what you have to say.
Try to call right back.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Okay, John in Austin, Texas, you're on the odd couple
of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
What's up John?
Speaker 11 (19:35):
Hey, not much man, Thanks for having me. Yeah, I
think they should. I thank your own son there. So
I really believe that, you know, you have two professional
teams and it's not like necessarily you trying to correct
a wrong, but you absorb some of the professional players
from the A B A over into the NBA and
don't brain itstictics a loan and.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Win the league.
Speaker 11 (19:58):
That really pret get it on you know way people
ranging how they viewed him, A great example being like
you say, Jay you just look at him a lot different.
I mean, just by you saying that, I mean I
thought it was great anyway, but now I'm like, right, yeah,
move him all the way.
Speaker 8 (20:15):
Up to six.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
I mean, he's arguably in the top ten, Like he's
got a strong argument for him top ten player of
all time.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
But if you add all the other stuff, right, yeah,
there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
And maybe, Chris, we got another call Mark and Detroit.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
But Chris, maybe when the ABA worked a merger, they
should have said that the stats count, you know what
I mean, as a part of integrating. Like maybe that
should have been a bargaining chip, just to say, you know,
so that we.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Don't go away. And I'll still think, you know what,
wrong if they were going to collapse anyway.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
But and they also honestly, they probably didn't at that time,
you know you they might not even thought about that stuff.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
No, just like the TV deal they gave the owners
of the same Lewis, the NBA gave like one of
the worst deals ever. Yes, because they weren't thinking about
the how much money television was going to be. Television
wasn't that big, Chris, It just wasn't. Mark and Detroit.
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Speaker 2 (21:13):
What's up?
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Mark?
Speaker 9 (21:14):
Hey? Mar Doing Hey? I don't think I thought I
could be wrong, but players you can merge in the
ABA stats with the NBA Black Black Negro League started
because they were prohibited they could not play Major League Baseball.
But I think black players had an option. They could
still get signed and play and did play in the
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NBA doing that Pier, So they weren't they weren't completely
banned from playing in the NBA. Those ABA players had
a choice, right.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
Yeah, we totally agree. It wasn't about that's that.
Speaker 8 (21:47):
But but if you do.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
That, well yeah, yeah, we're here, we're listening.
Speaker 11 (21:52):
Yeah, then you're.
Speaker 9 (21:53):
Gonna have to start opening up different cans like uh,
Barry Sanders, Walter Pier after Peyton, he plays fourteen games,
now we're playing seventeen games.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
No, I don't.
Speaker 11 (22:06):
I don't think you would. I don't average Nah, I.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Don't think anybody would take it that far. I think
the one question robbed the us FL. Do you but
I would say, because they did have some guys herschel Walker.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Steve Young. You know they came over Reggie White, right.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Jim Jim Kelly. Jim Jim Kelly was good for the
for the what was he with them? This would be
team christ.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Right, this would be my argument against them. And look
it's all subjective. But that league only lasted.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Three years, right, and it wasn't close.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
To us good.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah, ABA was about a decade and that wasn't as
close to as good as the u NFL obviously at
that time.
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Speaker 8 (23:31):
Doing?
Speaker 1 (23:31):
All right?
Speaker 8 (23:34):
I'm awesome and join these games, that's for sure. Well
what's left? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
What is left of this Western Conference series between Dallas
and Minnesota? You think Minnesota can really make this thing
a series? Or you think it'll just be a gentleman sweep.
Speaker 8 (23:52):
You know. It's it's weird because I kind of go
back and forth. I felt like if Minnesota was gonna
get a game, yesterday was the game to get, especially
after what Kyrie Irving said.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
You think that was just a sign that they may
have relaxed Dallas.
Speaker 8 (24:07):
Yes, yeah, it's easy, and I get it. It's human nature.
It's easy to relax because you got Game four at home.
You know, you got games at home, and you've also
won in Minnesota twice, so I can understand the human
nature element to kind of take a step back, like,
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you know what, Look, we are the better team here
and we know that. So if there's a game I
felt like Minnesota was going to get. I felt like
yesterday was the game, especially after Kyrie Irving said this
is their super Bowl, but it's just another game run.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
No.
Speaker 8 (24:41):
I think that kind of brings on, Like again, there's
a human nature involved element involved here, and I think
that Dallas relaxed somewhat yesterday.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
It does happen human nature and the team. You know this, Antonio,
this season is over. You put in a yeoman's effort.
We've seen a lot of gentlemen sweeps where a team
will win a game and then finally succumb.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
So so I'm not that surprised.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Chris and I both picked Minnesota to win yesterday, just
having that feel of it that they would, you know,
muster up enough to get a win, right, And I
think it's human nature. But going forward, how important is
it for Dallas to just, okay, end it here even
though it's on the road, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Do you want to end it?
Speaker 4 (25:30):
You don't want to come back for a game six
at home because then anything can happen.
Speaker 8 (25:35):
And that's the way to put it. Anything can happen.
And we've seen this, you know, we've seen this for years.
We saw it in the New York Knicks series. When
you have an opportunity to end the series, you end
the series because you never know what's going to happen, right,
You have no idea. The more you play, the more
you play, what you are opening yourself up to, especially
(25:56):
if you're a team that's to hit, is the possibility
of something going wrong. There's nothing good that comes from
continue games for the Dallas Mavericks. Nothing good can come
from that. Everything good comes from Minnesota continuing to build
up a little bit hope with every game that they win.
If you're the Dallas Mavericks, nothing good comes from a
(26:17):
Game six. Nothing you have to play Game five because
you lost that game. I mean you won that game.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
You lost.
Speaker 8 (26:26):
So now, if you are the Dallas Mavericks, nothing good
can come from games that are continued to be played.
When you have an option to finish the series.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
There's a lot of talk like if Dallas does win
the series, let's say in five, do you think there's
a lot of talk about, well, what should Minnesota trade
Carl Anthony Towns should they love or what.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Are your thoughts?
Speaker 8 (26:49):
Amazing? And I tell you, for me, it's what I
really find to be amazing about the postseason and how
quickly there to change, like from one series to another.
Anthony Edwards went from Michael B. Jordan's to Michael Jordan
to Jordan Poole, Like.
Speaker 11 (27:10):
What are we doing.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
That? Who wouldn't know who?
Speaker 8 (27:19):
But these are things that you see like on our
on our on our show the Denver Nuggets, after they lost,
my co host Rick Kamdler came on the next day
and said, oh, you know what, Michael Porter needs to
be traded why because he had a bad series, Like
this is what we do. I love the postseason, but
(27:40):
there is a constant overreaction to a series. The one
thing I would love to see from Karl Anthony Towns
more than anything else, more than the shot making and
the three point shooting and the taking advantage of mismassage,
is defensive discipline. This is the thing I'm watching these
games that is literally driving me. But Nanas like, dude,
(28:02):
you have to be smarter defensively. The fact that he
is in foul trouble every single game, it's problematic for
the Minnesota Timberwolves. It has to come a point where
you learn on the fly, you connect mental data. Okay,
this is what I can do. This is what I can't.
You cannot be in foul trouble every single game for minutes.
(28:22):
Though they have a chance to extend this series.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
I'm with you, and look, I might listen.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I might pick up the phone if people want to,
you know, make me some great offers for Towns. But
I look, I think some of this Chris. No, I'm
not saying I was shot. Hold on, I'm not saying
I was shopping. I'm not saying I would be looking
to trading. I'm just saying somebody called me and I
would listen, that's all.
Speaker 8 (28:45):
I'm here's the thing. You you went not you meaning
the Minnesota Timberwolves a year ago made it to the
first round. You can't skip steps. Now they're all the
way to the Western Conference Finals. Right, they've already over
Reteat So do you really break this team up? Do
you know what gets me about again about the postseason
(29:08):
and sometimes not making it to the postseason, there's an
organizational arrogance. I think that team forget where they come from.
The Cleveland Cavaliers, they forgot where they come from. What
did they expect from dating rid of jb? Right? Right? Right?
What did they expect? Like the Minnesota Timberwolves a year
ago were at home this time. Now, you didn't just
get out the first round, you didn't just get out
(29:28):
the second round. You'd beat last year's champion and advance
all the way to the Western Conference Finals. And now
there are talks about trading Karl Anthony Towns. I will
not understand that whatsoever.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Way I agree with you and that I wouldn't be
shopping him.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
But I think there's an element of look obviously, we
think Anthony Edwards is going to learn from this and improve,
and I think Cat that's what you have to hope
he does as well.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
He's only I think twenty eight or twenty nine.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
He's still relative of the young.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Himself, so he's gotta make that jump, you know, from learn.
This is his first time this deep in the playoffs
past the first round. So I agree with you. I'm
not gonna say I still somebody called me. I'm listening,
but I'm not shopping even trying to movee.
Speaker 8 (30:17):
Okay, So I have a question for both of you guys,
who do you think would be a better fit in
Minnesota than Karlins in the towns to the four spot.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
I don't let That's why I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
I don't know a realistic move out there. That's why
I'm leaning that I would just keep it. And I
think I think he can learn and grow anyway, because
there really there really.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Isn't a realistic, no one yeah pick out there that
you could just drop in and say, oh yeah, this
makes them better tomorrow. So once you don't have that,
I think you gotta be very careful not to overreact,
No question, yeah, and that's what people do. Clippers sign
and Todd Lou, where do you rank him? Chris and
I are very high on Ticket Lou. I think he's
(31:00):
a tremendous coach. He's a guy who's got a championship
in his back pocket that hasn't saved a lot of
other coaches who have been fired. He's probably loves La
comfortable with Steve Balmer.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
And if I'm him, I take that job and that extension.
Speaker 8 (31:14):
Oh, no question. But the thing is these extensions. It's
so funny. Life is about Timmy. The moment Darbyham got
fired and Toronto Lo, toront Lou's name came up, then
you started hearing about extension dumps from the Clippers. Right,
It's funny enough works because it's not a long commute
from the Clipper student Lakers. That's not a long commute
at all. It's about one hundred feet exactly exactly. So
(31:39):
I love toront Who as a coach because I think
he has both sides down pack. You know, some coaches
have one side down, the X and O side, the
adjustment side, and other coaches don't have the X and
O side down, but they have the player relations side.
I feel like toront Lou has both sides down his
ability to kind of garner it spect to that locker room,
(32:01):
and on the other side, I don't know if there's
a better in game adjustment coach out there. Now. There
may be coaches when the game is over from game
one to game two, game two to game three are
great at making adjustments. The wrong lose ability to make
adjustments in games throughout the course of a game, from
quarter to quarter, in half to half. Honestly, they may
(32:21):
be unmatched now in today's NBA. This is good for him.
I'm happy for him.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
People are talking about back courts, you know, all time
great back courts.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
I said it obviously with the Luca Kyrie and you know,
and whatnot.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
My question is, and I saw this on Twitter and
I just thought, where where does this fit in for you?
People said, what about Isaiah and Joe Dumars, Isaiah Thomas.
Speaker 8 (32:45):
Not.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
My question to you is where do they fit in?
Not if they're the best, but where do they fit
into you? They mean in Isaiah, Isaiah Thomas and Joe Dumars.
Speaker 8 (32:55):
Okay, So here's my thing, because I've said this for
a while or two, this is the most skilled backcourt
in history. So the thing is, you can you can
make one of the two a wash. I don't care
however you break it down. Isaiah and Joe Dumars. Let's
just say Isaiah and Kyrie are washed. Both smaller guards,
(33:15):
both great handles, both great finishers. But when you look
at Luca skill wise and compare him to Joe Dumars,
no disrespect to Joe Dumares. But the thing is, this
isn't a debate.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Well but we but but we're not talking about skill wise.
I mean, David Robinson might have had more skills than Shack,
but who was better Shack?
Speaker 5 (33:36):
You know?
Speaker 8 (33:36):
So what are we saying?
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Where does this look?
Speaker 11 (33:41):
If? Here?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
I give you, if they win, if the Mavericks win
this championship, I know this. This is the third best
backcour ever Stephen Katona, Isaiah Dumar's number two, Luca Kyrie
number three.
Speaker 8 (33:57):
All right, that's fair, okay, fair, I'll rock with that,
And so for me, I'm okay with that. Isaa Thomas
was my favorite player growing up.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
All right, we gotta roll, thank you, brother, Yeah A couple.
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Rob G.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Looks like Dwayne Wade will.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Be calling Olympic games for Team USA basketball this summer
for NBC.
Speaker 12 (34:40):
That is correct, Multiple Dollarge reporting that d Wade will
be the lead television analyst for the Team USA basketball
games coming up this summer, which has sparked some conversation
about his future there with NBC. Because they are the
Olympic broadcast network Number one NBA NBC is coming, Could
d Wade be the lead broadcaster at number two? This
(35:00):
one floated out by a guy, Rob Parker. Is this
their way of setting the stage for d Wade to
partner up with the inside of the NBA guys, given
that they already have some reps working together at Turner.
Speaker 5 (35:16):
Yeah? What are you thinking, Rob? I mean I'm thinking
of go ahead.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
I'm just thinking if NBC again, Chris, because this is
just me. Once you don't have Ernie and you don't
have the original team, I think that opens up for
NBC if they could get the original team to just
move over it.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Then I get it. That's a layup. It's easy.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Just do what you've been doing and everybody would be happy.
But once Ernie's sticking at Turner and he's not coming,
and I don't believe he's coming. His dad worked there
a long time. His dad picked for the Atlanta Braids.
He has a loyalty to Turner, like Turner Ted Turner
and that family and the Braves, and that organization has
been good to his family.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
I just think it's it's it's about that Chris. You
know that he's not.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
Ernie.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
No no, no, no no.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
But I'm saying, if you're going to do that, once
Ernie's not there, you don't have to bring back everybody.
And you could say my NBC's twist on it might
be Shack No, it might be Charles Barkley, Kenny Smith,
d Wade is our wrinkle and Maria Taylor. That's what
(36:27):
we're gonna do, and that'll be the NBC brand. Dwayne
Wade has been on that platform with them. That's the
way you could do it. And this way, you're not
trying to live up to people saying, yeah, it just
ain't the same show or it sounds it feels different
because Ernie's not there, blah blah blah. Because that's what
you'll get is a comparison. If you keep the same
(36:49):
three guys without Ernie, people will say it's not the same.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
I disagree. I think that Wade could be their color analysts.
We'll see how he does in the Olympics, and that
would be fine.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
But I would bring back if I can get.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Chuck or you know, Charles Barkley, Kenny and Shaq, I'm
doing it. I'll bring it Adam Lefko, who fills in
for Ernie a lot on tn T he's good, or
like you said, you could do it with Maria Taylor
or somebody else left Go obviously already has chemistry with
those guys, so you could bring him in.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Any of their people there. I just do not believe.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
But once they hired people, they're there people. No, Maria
Taylor wasn't one of their people either. Yeah, but she's
who business works. No, but I'm saying she's there. They're
going to, like like Mike t Rico, if you can
do that, I'm just saying to Rico is gonna do games?
I think I think or you know, you would think
(37:52):
he'd do games. But yeah, I mean, even if it's
fine with Maria Taylor, that'd be fine with me. But
I do think Shaq, I just think it's a no
brainer if you can to get that trio of X
players together, because Ernie's great and he's tremendous.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
He's a great quarterback.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Obviously won a lot of Emmys and stuff like that,
so I'm not trying to belittle anything he's done. But
Barkley is the number one draw and obviously he's got
the chemistry with Kenny, and then Shock is fit in
really well with those guys too, So I wouldn't I
would go if I can, And whether it's NBC or
Amazon Prime, rob one of them, I think should go
(38:32):
and just try to If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Speaker 5 (38:35):
But yeah, d Wade, you know it'll be good for him.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
We'll see how he does, but you know he'd be
a great player to move into that role, so hopefully
it works out well for it. All Right, we got
an hour left here on the I Couple in this
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Speaker 5 (01:13):
Absolutely so Rob.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yesterday we talked about the Negro Leagues statistics being integrated
into Major League Baseball's official statistics, and so that means
that like instead of Ty Cobb having the all time
record for career batting average.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
I think his was three sixty two or something like that.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I think it was three sixty six.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Okay, Josh Gibson now has it in his is three
seventy three or three seventy two. So things like that,
you know. And now, Rob, I think three of the
top five batting averages of all time are players from
the knee leagues. And that got me to thinking, Rob,
(02:05):
what about should other leagues follow suit and maybe integrate
if there were legitimate leagues going on besides their own,
should other leagues kind of integrate those into the statistics.
And mainly the one I was thinking about, Rob, is
(02:26):
the A B, A and the NBA.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
I thought that that's where you were coming up with
this was was the A BA and NBA. And I'm
the only reason I'm gonna say, I'm gonna pause and
say no, is that there wasn't some diabolical thing that
stopped people from playing either the ABA or the NBA.
And they were separate entities that don't have the best
(02:52):
the mark.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
On it, Chris, it wasn't discrimination.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Right, they just didn't you know, like it just there's
nothing thing there that says that you couldn't have played
in the ABA, or you couldn't have been playing in
the NBA. We talk about all of the time Dave
Winfield was drafted by both the ABA, the NBA, the
NFL and Major League Baseball, right like like he could
have played in ABA, or he could have played in
the NBA. Where I think the only reason why this
(03:20):
works in baseball is because of what happened historically. And
it wasn't about people's lack of skill. This wasn't a
skills burrier, Chris. It was strictly a color barrier. It
didn't matter how good you were or what you could do.
(03:41):
If you were black, you couldn't play. And I think
that that's the difference and why it's important. I know
I had people today talk about each year Row before
he came to the United States, Chris, I think he
had two thousand hits in Japan.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Should he could be the all time hits the leader?
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Off we include his hits in Japan? And then he
got another on three thousand here right as each year
rodeo all time hit leader. If we include his stats
in Japan? Again, no, because at that time that's where
he was playing. There was no bar for him to come.
You know, maybe they couldn't. You'd have to pay those
(04:20):
Japanese teams to release them. But there was no racial
prejudice or something that barred his ability just based on
his skin color, or you know, whatever.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
You might take.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
So I think what baseball's done here is a little different,
and I'm cool with this, but I don't want everything
merged together.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
No, that's fair. I think what you said is fair.
Certainly it was racial discrimination. Racism is what it was.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Wait clip, clear and simple, right, there's no if in
no gray area. Anybody who thinks that those guys couldn't
play or kidna themselves Chris, Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
You're not.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
If you're trying to say that the Negro Leagues players
weren't as good and the Negro League itself was not
as good as Major League Baseball, I think that's just
racist because when you look at what African Americans have
done in baseball, Chris up and some they can be
(05:21):
are just as good as any other race, and many
of the greatest players ever are African American. Many Rob
and Martin White said this last night. From nineteen forty
nine to nineteen sixty two, they have fourteen MVPs in
the National League, eleven.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Of them were black.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Hello, and all but one of them, Morey Willims, had
actually played in the negro leagues.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
So you can't.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I mean, that's just in addition to the fact that
they used to play each other sometimes and the black
teams would win just as much as the white teams.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
That's knowing it.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
So forth, So I think, and Rod, we feel in
the fact that the Federal League and even a few
other leagues have their statistics recognized by count League Baseball.
For you to not raise anything a stink about those
and now you want to get mad about the negro leagues,
you need to look in the mirror and see what
your real motive is.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Real talk and the thing you bring up, do you
know you know why?
Speaker 4 (06:21):
And we talked about this to a little bit yesterday,
Chris on why all those MVPs were in the National League,
because that was the Black League. The white American League
didn't have and didn't want. I told you the last
three teams with black players Red Sox, Yankees, Tigers, I
(06:44):
think it were other three.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
You said, those are four? You mentioned four.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Yet and the other one was the Phillies. The other
one was the Phillies. That's what their national league, you
know what I mean? But those were those three teams
were the last. And I brought up Boston because Jackie
Robinson broken in nineth Team forty seven, Chris nineteen fifty nine,
twelve years after Jackie twelve years. Could you imagine sitting
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the stands going, what, we still don't have a black player.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
They didn't care. They kept going no.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
I'm sure if many of the fans were fine with it.
But here's what got me thinking about the ABA and Rob.
It was before this, way, before this where I started
really looking at this. Because when I really sat down
and analyzed the ABA versus the NBA, what I saw obviously,
Rob so many if you go to the nineteen slate,
(07:42):
sixties through really that decade from the mid sixties to
the mid seventies, and you name the best player basketball
players in the world at that time Rob in that decade,
half of them were in the ABAC J George Gervin,
Artist Gilmore, dan Issel, rick Berry, you could go on
(08:06):
and on, Charlie Scott.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
They had some terrific players. And then Rob.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Cause you know, obviously we talk a lot about championships
when we measure players, greatness and all of that stuff.
And when I looked at, you know, the ABA and
the NBA, ROB used to play exhibition games where their teams,
not all star teams, but like their regular teams would
(08:34):
play against each other. So ABA teams would play NBA
teams and so on and so forth and Rob. They
did this throughout, you know, for several years, and the
ABA came out on top. ABA won seventy nine games,
the NBA won seventy six. And then when they the
(08:58):
last three years before the merger, the ABA won sixty.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
Five percent of the games.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
So you cannot say that the ABA was not as
good as the NBA.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
It might have even been better.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
And with so many of those players moving into the NBA, ROB,
I look at what that would do for legacies, like,
for instance, doctor J.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Now doctor J is Rob.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Guess where do you think doctor J ranks all time
in NBA scoring? Like what number thirtieth, chien whatever.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
I'm gonna say, twenty fifth, I don't know what doctor
J twenty.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Fifth, seventy six?
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Wow, well he yeah, he joined the league. That that
makes sense. A little later he joined the league and
was seventy six Crystals.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
His first year.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Ye, yeah, hit on the play.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
I think he retired at eighty maybe eighty seven, yeah,
ten years. But Rob, if you counted his ABA stats,
which again I think we've established was against just as
good a competition, he would be eighth doctor J had
thirty thousand points total. He also would have three MVPs
(10:22):
instead of one. He would have three championships instead of one,
and so that starts to change the way you look
at things. And I look, I think the one challenge
with this, like it would be easy Rob to merge
the stats, but the question is championships. So do you
(10:43):
just say that for those ten years or whatever that
the ABA was around, there were two you know what
I mean, there's an ABA champion and an NBA champion.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
I mean you could do that, there's no nothing wrong
with that.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
But I just think the ABA has a legitimate because
you're right. Was it racial discrimination, No question it was right,
but very close, you know what I mean. And not
only the fact that so many ABA players ended up
playing in the NBA, that they played against each other
in ABA was just as good. But Rob Today's NBA
(11:16):
resembles the ABA more than the NBA of that time,
more wide open, more the street ball in the ABA,
which the NBA was a lot more sedate, and you know,
uh formulaic and stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
You're right, the.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Three point line, right, cheerleader slam duncan.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
That was all A B A BA stuff, right, And Chris,
here you go.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
You can tell me I'm wrong.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
You can tell me i'm I think part of the
disrespect for the A B A and just tell me
if I'm off base. I think the red white and
blue ball made it like a clown's league.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I don't agree, Okay, I mean, okay, we were kids,
so I was a kid.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
I remember actually having a red, white and blue.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
But I sometimes because that's the ball that the Halem
Globe Trotters used.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah, look, you might be right. I don't think you're right,
but again I was a kid at the time.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
I right about the Globe Trotters. Didn't they use that ball? Right,
A red white and blue ball?
Speaker 6 (12:28):
I think checked that out for us. Please, I'm almost
positive that they did. But I don't think that's it.
I think it's just it was rob Let's face it.
It's competition, right. The NBA was trying to squash the.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
A B ah.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
No, some degree right, they did, and they want to
be We're the King, We're the King League.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
But you could be right. I don't think it's it's that.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
He picked up.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Rob G did look it up, and I'm right, they
Globe try to use the red, white, and blue ball
like because it was colorful, it was entertaining, it was
of that ILK, whereas you're right to the NBA was
more drab, you know what I mean, Chris, and more.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
They didn't have cheerleaders at halftime doing dance or in
between you know, breaks and things like that.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
The other league. Rob G, we were talking about this
before the show and.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
He mentioned the Japanese League as you did with Ichi Row.
And my thing that that, I guess is similar to
your argument against the AB. I said, number one, it
wasn't racial discrimination. There was no discrimination that you know,
as the why the leagues were separate. And two, that's
a whole nother country and not even a whole other country,
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that's a whole nother continent.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I mean, you can't just include.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Every that's the other side of the world, Like, I
don't think that that's understandably separate. At least the ABA.
It was here in America. And it became an integral
part of the NBA.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
That would be my argument.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
That's not that's not ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
I mean, I get it if you wanted to somehow
combine the two and make it just basketball kind of like.
See if it was like that, like you have in baseball,
the American League in the National.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
League make up the major leagues. Do you see what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
You had the ABA and NBA, Chris, and they make
up major Basketball league.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Like that would be ABA, NBA, American League, National League.
Like I think that it would have to be of
that ILK. Like if you were to try to make
it mesh.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Well, let me ask you this before we open it
up to callers. I mean, and I don't know how
much you delve into the rankings yourself other than just
when we talk about it. But doctor J, now he's
got one championship and one MVP in the NBA. If
he were now a guy that s they had three
MVP and three championships, would that that would change kind
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of where we right, doctor J.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
There's no doubt about it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
To be honest, I think the sad part is Chris
because the ABA didn't survive. And those four teams for
people who don't know, you know, you can look it up.
But four teams went into the area, Nuggets, PA, Pacers, and.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Who was the fourth who was merged?
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Nuggets, Pacers, nets and the nets right and the nets
those are the four that made it in.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
So it wasn't an equal merger. That's the no.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
And that's the other thing why the.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
NBA holds the power because.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Exactly that's my point.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
There's only four teams going into the league. It wasn't
like it was twelve and twelve, you know, like or
something like that.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
The Abu mad had about eleven twelve teams.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
And that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
The NBA always have more teams, So that part is legitimate.
But I I last thing I'll say, Rob I've thought about. Look,
when Jerry West won his only ring in seventy two,
half the best players in the world were in the ABA.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
When that's Wilt's second ring.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
When Oscar Robertson won his only ring, half the best
players in the in the ABA.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Kareem's first ring, the Knicks two championships.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Half of the best players in the world weren't even
in the NBA, so that you know what I mean.
If we do value those championships, I'm thinking we should
value the guys that want it in the ABA just
as much. Rick Barry, I know he won the NBA.
I think he might have got won in the ABA two.
But yeah, so it's it's interesting. Let's throw it out
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Major League Baseball did with the Negro leagues. That would
change some all time rankings and things like that.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
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Speaker 2 (18:24):
Now that Major.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
League Baseball has integrated the Negro League statistics into their official.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Stats and record books, what about other leagues?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
The NBA should they bring in the ABAS records officially?
Speaker 5 (18:42):
Maybe any other leagues you want to look at? Your thoughts?
Christ and Rob dakame.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
All right, Chris, let's kick it off with Rob and Milwaukee.
You're on the Odd Couple. Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
What's up Rob?
Speaker 8 (18:53):
Hey, good afternoon.
Speaker 9 (18:55):
I thinks for taking my call. Bruce Hard just want
to say the first things first, I'd love the show.
Watch it every Thank you man, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (19:03):
Yeah, So you know I was a little conflicted, you know,
Dan passive point. We're looking at, you know, qualifications for
the Hall of Fame. It's the basketball Hall of Fame,
the NBA Hall of Fame, football hall of.
Speaker 8 (19:16):
Fame, not the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 10 (19:18):
So I absolutely think.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
That a phone Yeah, can you call back? My god,
we just can't just cracking there.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah, we want to hear what you have to say.
Try to call right back.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Okay, John in Austin, Texas, you're on the odd couple
of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
What's up John?
Speaker 11 (19:35):
Hey, not much man, Thanks for having me. Yeah, I
think they should. I thank your own son there. So
I really believe that, you know, you have two professional
teams and it's not like necessarily you trying to correct
a wrong, but you absorb some of the professional players
from the A B A over into the NBA and
don't brain itstictics a loan and.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Win the league.
Speaker 11 (19:58):
That really pret get it on you know way people
ranging how they viewed him, A great example being like
you say, Jay you just look at him a lot different.
I mean, just by you saying that, I mean I
thought it was great anyway, but now I'm like, right, yeah,
move him all the way.
Speaker 8 (20:15):
Up to six.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
I mean, he's arguably in the top ten, Like he's
got a strong argument for him top ten player of
all time.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
But if you add all the other stuff, right, yeah,
there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
And maybe, Chris, we got another call Mark and Detroit.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
But Chris, maybe when the ABA worked a merger, they
should have said that the stats count, you know what
I mean, as a part of integrating. Like maybe that
should have been a bargaining chip, just to say, you know,
so that we.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Don't go away. And I'll still think, you know what,
wrong if they were going to collapse anyway.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
But and they also honestly, they probably didn't at that time,
you know you they might not even thought about that stuff.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
No, just like the TV deal they gave the owners
of the same Lewis, the NBA gave like one of
the worst deals ever. Yes, because they weren't thinking about
the how much money television was going to be. Television
wasn't that big, Chris, It just wasn't. Mark and Detroit.
You're in the odd couple. Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
What's up?
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Mark?
Speaker 9 (21:14):
Hey? Mar Doing Hey? I don't think I thought I
could be wrong, but players you can merge in the
ABA stats with the NBA Black Black Negro League started
because they were prohibited they could not play Major League Baseball.
But I think black players had an option. They could
still get signed and play and did play in the
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NBA doing that Pier, So they weren't they weren't completely
banned from playing in the NBA. Those ABA players had
a choice, right.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
Yeah, we totally agree. It wasn't about that's that.
Speaker 8 (21:47):
But but if you do.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
That, well yeah, yeah, we're here, we're listening.
Speaker 11 (21:52):
Yeah, then you're.
Speaker 9 (21:53):
Gonna have to start opening up different cans like uh,
Barry Sanders, Walter Pier after Peyton, he plays fourteen games,
now we're playing seventeen games.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
No, I don't.
Speaker 11 (22:06):
I don't think you would. I don't average Nah, I.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Don't think anybody would take it that far. I think
the one question robbed the us FL. Do you but
I would say, because they did have some guys herschel Walker.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Steve Young. You know they came over Reggie White, right.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Jim Jim Kelly. Jim Jim Kelly was good for the
for the what was he with them? This would be
team christ.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Right, this would be my argument against them. And look
it's all subjective. But that league only lasted.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Three years, right, and it wasn't close.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
To us good.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah, ABA was about a decade and that wasn't as
close to as good as the u NFL obviously at
that time.
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Speaker 8 (23:31):
Doing?
Speaker 1 (23:31):
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Speaker 8 (23:34):
I'm awesome and join these games, that's for sure. Well
what's left? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
What is left of this Western Conference series between Dallas
and Minnesota? You think Minnesota can really make this thing
a series? Or you think it'll just be a gentleman sweep.
Speaker 8 (23:52):
You know. It's it's weird because I kind of go
back and forth. I felt like if Minnesota was gonna
get a game, yesterday was the game to get, especially
after what Kyrie Irving said.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
You think that was just a sign that they may
have relaxed Dallas.
Speaker 8 (24:07):
Yes, yeah, it's easy, and I get it. It's human nature.
It's easy to relax because you got Game four at home.
You know, you got games at home, and you've also
won in Minnesota twice, so I can understand the human
nature element to kind of take a step back, like,
(24:27):
you know what, Look, we are the better team here
and we know that. So if there's a game I
felt like Minnesota was going to get. I felt like
yesterday was the game, especially after Kyrie Irving said this
is their super Bowl, but it's just another game run.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
No.
Speaker 8 (24:41):
I think that kind of brings on, Like again, there's
a human nature involved element involved here, and I think
that Dallas relaxed somewhat yesterday.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
It does happen human nature and the team. You know this, Antonio,
this season is over. You put in a yeoman's effort.
We've seen a lot of gentlemen sweeps where a team
will win a game and then finally succumb.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
So so I'm not that surprised.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Chris and I both picked Minnesota to win yesterday, just
having that feel of it that they would, you know,
muster up enough to get a win, right, And I
think it's human nature. But going forward, how important is
it for Dallas to just, okay, end it here even
though it's on the road, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Do you want to end it?
Speaker 4 (25:30):
You don't want to come back for a game six
at home because then anything can happen.
Speaker 8 (25:35):
And that's the way to put it. Anything can happen.
And we've seen this, you know, we've seen this for years.
We saw it in the New York Knicks series. When
you have an opportunity to end the series, you end
the series because you never know what's going to happen, right,
You have no idea. The more you play, the more
you play, what you are opening yourself up to, especially
(25:56):
if you're a team that's to hit, is the possibility
of something going wrong. There's nothing good that comes from
continue games for the Dallas Mavericks. Nothing good can come
from that. Everything good comes from Minnesota continuing to build
up a little bit hope with every game that they win.
If you're the Dallas Mavericks, nothing good comes from a
(26:17):
Game six. Nothing you have to play Game five because
you lost that game. I mean you won that game.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
You lost.
Speaker 8 (26:26):
So now, if you are the Dallas Mavericks, nothing good
can come from games that are continued to be played.
When you have an option to finish the series.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
There's a lot of talk like if Dallas does win
the series, let's say in five, do you think there's
a lot of talk about, well, what should Minnesota trade
Carl Anthony Towns should they love or what.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Are your thoughts?
Speaker 8 (26:49):
Amazing? And I tell you, for me, it's what I
really find to be amazing about the postseason and how
quickly there to change, like from one series to another.
Anthony Edwards went from Michael B. Jordan's to Michael Jordan
to Jordan Poole, Like.
Speaker 11 (27:10):
What are we doing.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
That? Who wouldn't know who?
Speaker 8 (27:19):
But these are things that you see like on our
on our on our show the Denver Nuggets, after they lost,
my co host Rick Kamdler came on the next day
and said, oh, you know what, Michael Porter needs to
be traded why because he had a bad series, Like
this is what we do. I love the postseason, but
(27:40):
there is a constant overreaction to a series. The one
thing I would love to see from Karl Anthony Towns
more than anything else, more than the shot making and
the three point shooting and the taking advantage of mismassage,
is defensive discipline. This is the thing I'm watching these
games that is literally driving me. But Nanas like, dude,
(28:02):
you have to be smarter defensively. The fact that he
is in foul trouble every single game, it's problematic for
the Minnesota Timberwolves. It has to come a point where
you learn on the fly, you connect mental data. Okay,
this is what I can do. This is what I can't.
You cannot be in foul trouble every single game for minutes.
(28:22):
Though they have a chance to extend this series.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
I'm with you, and look, I might listen.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I might pick up the phone if people want to,
you know, make me some great offers for Towns. But
I look, I think some of this Chris. No, I'm
not saying I was shot. Hold on, I'm not saying
I was shopping. I'm not saying I would be looking
to trading. I'm just saying somebody called me and I
would listen, that's all.
Speaker 8 (28:45):
I'm here's the thing. You you went not you meaning
the Minnesota Timberwolves a year ago made it to the
first round. You can't skip steps. Now they're all the
way to the Western Conference Finals. Right, they've already over
Reteat So do you really break this team up? Do
you know what gets me about again about the postseason
(29:08):
and sometimes not making it to the postseason, there's an
organizational arrogance. I think that team forget where they come from.
The Cleveland Cavaliers, they forgot where they come from. What
did they expect from dating rid of jb? Right? Right? Right?
What did they expect? Like the Minnesota Timberwolves a year
ago were at home this time. Now, you didn't just
get out the first round, you didn't just get out
(29:28):
the second round. You'd beat last year's champion and advance
all the way to the Western Conference Finals. And now
there are talks about trading Karl Anthony Towns. I will
not understand that whatsoever.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Way I agree with you and that I wouldn't be
shopping him.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
But I think there's an element of look obviously, we
think Anthony Edwards is going to learn from this and improve,
and I think Cat that's what you have to hope
he does as well.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
He's only I think twenty eight or twenty nine.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
He's still relative of the young.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Himself, so he's gotta make that jump, you know, from learn.
This is his first time this deep in the playoffs
past the first round. So I agree with you. I'm
not gonna say I still somebody called me. I'm listening,
but I'm not shopping even trying to movee.
Speaker 8 (30:17):
Okay, So I have a question for both of you guys,
who do you think would be a better fit in
Minnesota than Karlins in the towns to the four spot.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
I don't let That's why I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
I don't know a realistic move out there. That's why
I'm leaning that I would just keep it. And I
think I think he can learn and grow anyway, because
there really there really.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Isn't a realistic, no one yeah pick out there that
you could just drop in and say, oh yeah, this
makes them better tomorrow. So once you don't have that,
I think you gotta be very careful not to overreact,
No question, yeah, and that's what people do. Clippers sign
and Todd Lou, where do you rank him? Chris and
I are very high on Ticket Lou. I think he's
(31:00):
a tremendous coach. He's a guy who's got a championship
in his back pocket that hasn't saved a lot of
other coaches who have been fired. He's probably loves La
comfortable with Steve Balmer.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
And if I'm him, I take that job and that extension.
Speaker 8 (31:14):
Oh, no question. But the thing is these extensions. It's
so funny. Life is about Timmy. The moment Darbyham got
fired and Toronto Lo, toront Lou's name came up, then
you started hearing about extension dumps from the Clippers. Right,
It's funny enough works because it's not a long commute
from the Clipper student Lakers. That's not a long commute
at all. It's about one hundred feet exactly exactly. So
(31:39):
I love toront Who as a coach because I think
he has both sides down pack. You know, some coaches
have one side down, the X and O side, the
adjustment side, and other coaches don't have the X and
O side down, but they have the player relations side.
I feel like toront Lou has both sides down his
ability to kind of garner it spect to that locker room,
(32:01):
and on the other side, I don't know if there's
a better in game adjustment coach out there. Now. There
may be coaches when the game is over from game
one to game two, game two to game three are
great at making adjustments. The wrong lose ability to make
adjustments in games throughout the course of a game, from
quarter to quarter, in half to half. Honestly, they may
(32:21):
be unmatched now in today's NBA. This is good for him.
I'm happy for him.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
People are talking about back courts, you know, all time
great back courts.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
I said it obviously with the Luca Kyrie and you know,
and whatnot.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
My question is, and I saw this on Twitter and
I just thought, where where does this fit in for you?
People said, what about Isaiah and Joe Dumars, Isaiah Thomas.
Speaker 8 (32:45):
Not.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
My question to you is where do they fit in?
Not if they're the best, but where do they fit
into you? They mean in Isaiah, Isaiah Thomas and Joe Dumars.
Speaker 8 (32:55):
Okay, So here's my thing, because I've said this for
a while or two, this is the most skilled backcourt
in history. So the thing is, you can you can
make one of the two a wash. I don't care
however you break it down. Isaiah and Joe Dumars. Let's
just say Isaiah and Kyrie are washed. Both smaller guards,
(33:15):
both great handles, both great finishers. But when you look
at Luca skill wise and compare him to Joe Dumars,
no disrespect to Joe Dumares. But the thing is, this
isn't a debate.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Well but we but but we're not talking about skill wise.
I mean, David Robinson might have had more skills than Shack,
but who was better Shack?
Speaker 5 (33:36):
You know?
Speaker 8 (33:36):
So what are we saying?
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Where does this look?
Speaker 11 (33:41):
If? Here?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
I give you, if they win, if the Mavericks win
this championship, I know this. This is the third best
backcour ever Stephen Katona, Isaiah Dumar's number two, Luca Kyrie
number three.
Speaker 8 (33:57):
All right, that's fair, okay, fair, I'll rock with that,
And so for me, I'm okay with that. Isaa Thomas
was my favorite player growing up.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
All right, we gotta roll, thank you, brother, Yeah A couple.
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Speaker 5 (34:32):
Rob G.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Looks like Dwayne Wade will.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Be calling Olympic games for Team USA basketball this summer
for NBC.
Speaker 12 (34:40):
That is correct, Multiple Dollarge reporting that d Wade will
be the lead television analyst for the Team USA basketball
games coming up this summer, which has sparked some conversation
about his future there with NBC. Because they are the
Olympic broadcast network Number one NBA NBC is coming, Could
d Wade be the lead broadcaster at number two? This
(35:00):
one floated out by a guy, Rob Parker. Is this
their way of setting the stage for d Wade to
partner up with the inside of the NBA guys, given
that they already have some reps working together at Turner.
Speaker 5 (35:16):
Yeah? What are you thinking, Rob? I mean I'm thinking
of go ahead.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
I'm just thinking if NBC again, Chris, because this is
just me. Once you don't have Ernie and you don't
have the original team, I think that opens up for
NBC if they could get the original team to just
move over it.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Then I get it. That's a layup. It's easy.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Just do what you've been doing and everybody would be happy.
But once Ernie's sticking at Turner and he's not coming,
and I don't believe he's coming. His dad worked there
a long time. His dad picked for the Atlanta Braids.
He has a loyalty to Turner, like Turner Ted Turner
and that family and the Braves, and that organization has
been good to his family.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
I just think it's it's it's about that Chris. You
know that he's not.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
Ernie.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
No no, no, no no.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
But I'm saying, if you're going to do that, once
Ernie's not there, you don't have to bring back everybody.
And you could say my NBC's twist on it might
be Shack No, it might be Charles Barkley, Kenny Smith,
d Wade is our wrinkle and Maria Taylor. That's what
(36:27):
we're gonna do, and that'll be the NBC brand. Dwayne
Wade has been on that platform with them. That's the
way you could do it. And this way, you're not
trying to live up to people saying, yeah, it just
ain't the same show or it sounds it feels different
because Ernie's not there, blah blah blah. Because that's what
you'll get is a comparison. If you keep the same
(36:49):
three guys without Ernie, people will say it's not the same.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
I disagree. I think that Wade could be their color analysts.
We'll see how he does in the Olympics, and that
would be fine.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
But I would bring back if I can get.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Chuck or you know, Charles Barkley, Kenny and Shaq, I'm
doing it. I'll bring it Adam Lefko, who fills in
for Ernie a lot on tn T he's good, or
like you said, you could do it with Maria Taylor
or somebody else left Go obviously already has chemistry with
those guys, so you could bring him in.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Any of their people there. I just do not believe.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
But once they hired people, they're there people. No, Maria
Taylor wasn't one of their people either. Yeah, but she's
who business works. No, but I'm saying she's there. They're
going to, like like Mike t Rico, if you can
do that, I'm just saying to Rico is gonna do games?
I think I think or you know, you would think
(37:52):
he'd do games. But yeah, I mean, even if it's
fine with Maria Taylor, that'd be fine with me. But
I do think Shaq, I just think it's a no
brainer if you can to get that trio of X
players together, because Ernie's great and he's tremendous.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
He's a great quarterback.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Obviously won a lot of Emmys and stuff like that,
so I'm not trying to belittle anything he's done. But
Barkley is the number one draw and obviously he's got
the chemistry with Kenny, and then Shock is fit in
really well with those guys too, So I wouldn't I
would go if I can, And whether it's NBC or
Amazon Prime, rob one of them, I think should go
(38:32):
and just try to If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Speaker 5 (38:35):
But yeah, d Wade, you know it'll be good for him.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
We'll see how he does, but you know he'd be
a great player to move into that role, so hopefully
it works out well for it. All Right, we got
an hour left here on the I Couple in this
worship Wednesday. Sam Presty of the Oklahoma City Thunder the
They're incredible head of bast Operations has some strong things
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