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January 20, 2025 34 mins

Rob and Kelvin debate whether the Detroit Lions' upset loss to Washington in the divisional round proves that their whole season was fraudulent, tell us how Mark Andrews’ brutal drop against Buffalo might impact Lamar Jackson’s long-term legacy and explain why Patrick Mahomes gets special treatment from NFL officials.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
This is a day we do honor Martin Luther King,
but for this day and all the great stuff that
he did about so that we could host this radio
show together.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
No, I do not today, but today any other Monday,
you know, any other Monday.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Rob Parker, Yeah, and he'd understand because he understands that
when a brother is so out there and he can't
acknowledge and understand the experience and the knowledge sitting next
to him.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
And he's going to do to appreciate this experiencing next time,
I ain't talking about that.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Let's get to with the Lions and the Washington commanders.
You had to nerve the audacity to go to sit
here and try to discount my thoughts on the Lions.
Everything I said. You tried to make it like I
was a hater, and what holdell, I'm a hater. That's

(01:27):
why I'm saying what I'm saying, Okay, And you couldn't
have been more wrong about the Detroit Lions.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
And despite all the stuff I pointed.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Out all year long, you just kept acting like you
didn't see it, or that I was some deranged old
man who's living in the past.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Oh, that wouldn't depend. You're talking about the old stuff.
I'm talking about the new. No matter what I told
you on this very radio show. I told you about
Wilson and Justin Fields. Did I tell you?

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:04):
You want to go there, I'm gonna go there.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
You I told you about Ronald McDonald and the Vikings,
you were wrong. I told you about Aaron Glenn and
that he didn't work up some magic defense that it
was Sam Donald not Aaron Glenn.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
You were wrong. And I told you about Jared loss
not Jared Garth.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
I told you I sat here and told you he
could throw three interceptions and lose a big game. I
told you the reason that the Rams traded him was
because they didn't think he was good in big games.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
And you discounted. You were wrong.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
And then I told you the Lions all year. I
didn't buy in fraudulent. I gave you all the reasons.
Why me the NFC North forty and eleven. Yeah, because
they played the AFC West zero and three in the postseason,
ten interceptions from the three quarterbacks. I told you that

(03:12):
the Lions your revenge tour. All you talked about running
up the score, right, A bad coach putting his players
in harm's way all year long for no reason to
beat up also rans.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
And there you go. What happened?

Speaker 3 (03:27):
You didn't have enough bodies, enough people at the end.
And then I told you time and time again, Dan
Campbell's not a good coach, and we saw more of that.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
We saw twelve.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Men on the field when the game was in reach
ten points and they give them a first down and
goal at the one because they don't have a they have.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Too many men on defense.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
They got a wide receiver throwing in a crucial point
of the game and making a throw to another wide receiver.
Guess how many throws that that wide receiver thrown in
his career in collegen and the pros zero that's the
spot you picked to be cute. Come on, man, it
doesn't get any worse than that. No, I'm not done.

(04:18):
I've been telling you this franchise wasn't going.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
You ignored all the signs, all the.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Signs all year about Jared Golf, about the defense, about
this team. I'm not shocked when I sat here on Friday,
you stuck out your chest and told me how you
don't believe what you just said, that the commander is
gonna win. You somehow think that I'm gonna sit here
and just I'm just saying something to say it you

(04:49):
for three hours, and I told you I've been covering
this league since what year?

Speaker 1 (04:53):
I forgot nineteen number one? You and rush you row, Yes,
clearly they lost, but you are Are you going to
admit you were wrong fifteen times?

Speaker 2 (05:04):
No?

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Fifteen Are you going to admit you were wrong fifteen times?
Because Rob g knows for fifteen weeks you said they
were gonna lose, so you weren't wrong the other fifteen
times I picked him to lose. Every week.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
You know that ain't true. Twelve out of the fifteen
one did not. No, I did not twelve out of
the fifteen. So against Johnson, against Jackson.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Okay, there's your one, there's your one. I just said
twelve out of fifteen. So a team that is fifteen
and two is fraudulent that you pick every week to
lose and they don't lose that. Let's just start there.
And you brought up Russell Wilson, who lost five straight games,
who got blew out in the playoffs. And that's the
guy you hanging your hat on.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah, because because I told you he would be the
starter when he came back and he looked and he
looked terror did he come back?

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Was he just started for the rest and he terrold
you that and he looks terrible. Okay, whatever you want
to I told you, so watch how you do this.
This is the best part about it. See, let me
break down the Lions real quick to prove to something.
I am a fan of the Lions. Watch how I
can be critical of something. I'm a fan of something.
I'm gonna school you on real quick. Number one, Ben
Johnson made a horrible call. Absolutely, you can't have Williams

(06:09):
thow in that pass when you're down ten with the
chance to go down to score easily because the offense
was moving, and he gives him the ball and gives
it in. A kid who is always a hot head
who's immature. You cannot do that. Absolutely. The one big
glaring flaw from Ben Johnson throughout that game, Jared Goff,
I even got a better name than you. Just came up.
Jared lost. Jared Kauff. He did cough it up three times. Absolutely,

(06:32):
he threw those interceptions. You can't win when our best player,
our quarterback, our star players, just say star quarterback is
given the ball away. Absolutely, you can't play like that.
But for you to act like they didn't have all
of these injuries that you were baking, nothing to do
with that, that had nothing to do with this game.
They had nothing to do with this game. Sorry, they
did the defense not stop the Daniels in that you

(06:54):
sat on this very show, and when they stopped the
Minnesota Vikings, you gave ten times to Gary No to
Aaron yes, he no, he did not. And I said there,
and I told you first of all, what I can
This is what I told you. We both one of

(07:14):
us can't admit when they're right or wrong, and the
other camp like you you you, I'll let you talk.
You can never be wrong. Aaron Glynn doubted up. What
was wrong with that? It's okay, I asked you once,
very simple, the Lions aren't fun to watch it don't score.
You couldn't answer that. I have no problem coming in
here and tell you that Jared cough he coughed it up.
He threw a terrible interception. The fumbling the red zone

(07:36):
might have changed everything. They might have gone up fourteen
to three in the first quarter, and that might have
a whole different ballgame. Jared Goff was a large reason
why the Lions problem lost. I have no problem that.
Oh yet, yes you did.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Because we sat here on Friday, and when I said
that he would throw three interceptions, you said.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
You are gonna be the extreme. No, I was telling extreme.
I was telling you. I'm letting you do this, telling you,
I'm trying to tell you. You talk. Thank you. I'll
let you talk for ninety seven percent of the segment.
You can't do extremes every week and be right once
and expect somebody to give you a cookie. That's what
I'll never do. You can't say somebody sucks, they're gonna

(08:15):
lose every week and they don't, and then when they
finally do once expected because I want you to show
me the tape. You do that every week does it
not go to the extreme every week we literally make
a joker segment of it. So what I'm saying to you,
you finally got it right with Jared Goff had a
bad game and still had a chance to be in
that game. So there's no denying that. I deny what

(08:35):
is obvious. I have no problem doing that. They lost.
The Commanders were perfect. They were literally flawless. He didn't
get sacked, he didn't throw any he being Daniels, no interceptions,
didn't get sacked, ran the ball well almost three hundred yards.
Couple tells them they literally were flawless. When they get
an interception, they didn't just get it in f they
picked sixty. They were flawless. Congrats to the Commanders. They

(08:57):
played an amazing game.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
It ain't no congrat It was an ultimate choke job
by the Lions. Don't give them no. They played an
ultimate joke. It is an ultimate show job. It would
not and a half point favorites at home and who
played amazing? That was not a children did Vegas give
money and just go oh yeah, we're gonna give not

(09:20):
a half points to Washington?

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Not in a governess since eighty whatever? You know it
right all the time. All right, and I'm telling you
that was your choke jobs a lion. What happened? Free
path to the super It was not a free pass.
They got to they would have had to beat them.
They would have to possibly now we know it would
have had to beat the Eagles. It's not free pass.
What are you talking about? Yes, everything had to come
through Detroit free. That's what you played. That has an
easier pass. That's exactly what. Just like last the same

(09:44):
coach you had Dan King you last year, the same
coach that is that has an amazing record is a
terrible coach. You know what his record is? Oh, and
you're a terrible Rochester because you're on the time you
make it makes on your standards. That don't make any sense. Yeah,
his team is fifteen to two bags and his record
is owing to he chose.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
He literally won the forty nine Ers game and he
lost to the Washington.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Games. He won. No, No, those are the two biggest games,
Jerry Piggy, he lost them both. She's going to let
me know what you're done, because are you done now?
Because we got a whole nother two hour, fifteen minutes.
I would like to get away. Just let me you
could talk to rest the show because my voice will
be done. So I just had to make so inconclusion.

(10:33):
So again I just set up here in discussed and
broke down all the ways the Lions lost the game,
Jared coughing it up, Ben Johnson with a terrible play
call that was absolutely horrible, and finally the injuries caught
up to him. There's absolutely no way you can watch
that game and not see that. And if they if
they had seventy just seventy percent of their defensive guys,
we're talking about a whole different game. But that's why

(10:54):
throws the ball and five you're not absolutely we're having
a different game. Saying about defense. Wait, here's the best
part about it. All you've been talking about. I don't
like the Lions defense now is not about defense. I
just need you to stay consistent. Please do that for me.
I am const chop down all your point and all
I want to say to you is you and the
guy who sat here, he said, despite watching all the

(11:17):
other issues and problems, and I tried to warn you
about Aaron Glenn, I don't understand what you're talking about.
Fifteen to two.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
That's nice against the AFC, sound against every single tea.
Here's what I told you. The idea that you really
thought they were going to the Super Bowl is laughable.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yes, and as they continued to get injured, that became
a very difficult thing to do. But why, okay, you
just here's what going about your logic again? Vegas, Vegas? Vegas?
Who had who? That Vegas had the odds to win
the Super Bowl? Who had who? Did Vegas have the
guys favorite to win the Super Bowl? All the Chiefs?
They had the Lions? No they didn't, they had the Lions.
Rob Gie, am I lying? No, you're not lying. So

(11:55):
he wanted to go by Vegas, But now you don't
want to go by Vegas. This is what I'm telling you,
This is what I'm dealing with. Telling you I sat
and trying to lost five straight. Might not even have
a job.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
He won.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
He won five straight after he lost five straights when
it mattered, all right, Aaron Rodgers a horrible season. You
make up all the excuses in the world for Aaron Rodgers.
You gotta go. You gonna go to as cause My
point is to do not even know to prove that
I can break it down the Lion's way.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Bet you k l You can't because you're you're deep down,
You're so caught up. You had your lions glasses on
and you didn't want to hear anything that I tried
to tell you anything. This I did, and I told
you about Jared loss on Friday and when I picked them.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
You're another game Minnesota. Minnesota lose every week. Oh I
did not, and I do literally no, I did not
out of the sixteen seventeen game. Absolutely not.

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Speaker 3 (13:03):
Obviously, the last game over the weekend, the Ravens ye
Ravens Bills.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
The Ravens lose and.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
Turnovers a couple of turnovers in the first half, but
I mean they fought back. They were down eleven at
the half, fought back, held the Bills to two field
goals in the second half at home, Incredible had a
chance to tie the game, had a wide open pass
mark Andrews couldn't hold onto it. I mean, you could

(13:36):
throw that past one hundred times, seriously and even catch it.
Ninety nine times like nine. It's just unbelievable. And he
had a huge fumble as well after a nice completion
by Lamar. And of course you know it's always going
to be Lamar can't win. This is six years that
they weren't able to advance or get to the super Bowl.

(13:59):
He's a great player, gonna win his third MVP. So
this is what comes with the territory when people expect greatness. Yeah,
but it's hard for me to look at yesterday and
just think it was Lamar that that was a situation
where his team needed a touchdown in the final minute
or two, right drove him down through a great pass

(14:19):
or a touchdown.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
I mean, my daughter catches that shot. My daughter.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
And you haven't seen Mark Andrews like he is in
he's in hiding like he's got to be. And what
the reports were that he was bawling in the club
in the locker room after and Lamar went over and
gave him a big hug. And everyone's come to his defense.
They're teammates. You got to catch that ball. I'm sorry,
like that that is not They said something like he

(14:47):
hasn't had a fumble and a drop pass in five
years together, like it just doesn't happen, But those things happen.
And that's where until you get over that hump that
that was disappointing from the standpoint that he cheated us
of a Lamar moment. I felt like I got cheated

(15:08):
he being Andrews. Yeah, he cheated us of a moment
because Lamar did do what we wanted to see. He
gets the ball back, can he march down and get
the touch like that's those are the moments.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
We're dying for, right, Yeah, playoff moments. This wasn't.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Lamar got the ball three minutes to go and he
went three and out or four and out and he
threw two in incomplete passes. He marched down and got
the touchdown. Well, I think what I like about the
ending result.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
I like how Lamar kind of handled it more than
what you're saying, Like to your point, you said it earlier.
Though he didn't throw him under the bus. Everybody kind
of wanted to. And by the way, somebody's very reputable
sports sites got to relax on how they're doing their
social media. The way people were posting it as if
Lamar called out Andrews and said it was his fault
he did. We got to hold onto the blankety blank ball.

(16:03):
He was talking about himself turning it over and yes,
fumble it, but everybody put it as if he was
throwing the teammate under his bus because nobody actually reads
and contextualizing. Now we just see the headline and the comment.
So I didn't like that. But the mart the issue,
the challenge for Lamar is now you're in greatness, You're
in the highest regard now possibly about to win your
third MVP. So this is now how we're gonna judge you.

(16:26):
It's not gonna be on oh did he win reckless
season games? How many touchdowns did he throw? And it's
a compliment to him, Rob because this is what happens
when you're Michael Jordan.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
I agree, but you also have to look at the
context of the game, right, and that's all I'm saying.
I'm not he did have a fumbleing interception in the
first half, Okay, so I'm He's not perfect. He didn't
throw eight touchdowns, but he also overcame that to give
us a chance.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
A tea like that, that would have been a great story.
I remember Andrew lutt was one hundred to the Chiefs.
That's the moment and Andrew Luck came back, was like
twenty four down, twenty four something crazy. We're like, wow,
look at this the way he came back. Lamar Jackson
had a moment where this could be that fart through
reversity that that was. That's what I'm saying that was.
That was the moment to me where everything's gone wrong.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
You add two fumbles there was not him hurnover turnovers
uh and and the team had three at that point.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
And yet you're on the road. You're in this situation.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
They could have been you, and you say to yourself, Lamar,
do something special. Here's the ball you need to touch
down in a two point conversion and you're going to overtime.
That was laid on the table for us, and here's
to be able to watch him perform and guess what
he did. He threw a strike in the end zone
and in the end zone for a touchdown. All you

(17:45):
need to do is catch two point a two point conversion.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Not an overthrow, not a bounce. Nothing. People got complaining,
oh well the ball, dude. Stop And this is the
best part about it too. For Lamar was one of
the issues has been historically he misses weird easy ones
sometimes like he misses the one. Oh that's right there,
Just throw it to the time. What was that? That
was the perfect layup right at the numbers, we're going

(18:11):
to you know, they got a minute thirty or we're
going to overtime. There's a chance going overtime after do so.
But here's the issue, here's the challenge for Lamar. He's
failed to win consecutive playoff games. People are gonna hold
that against him injustifiably. So when he's this good, you're
this good, three time MVP, most likely, why haven't you
won consecutive playoff games? Especially when you start to look

(18:34):
at all the other quarterbacks who have done that. He
has multiple turnovers in games. He has more turnovers than
any other quarterback in the amount of playoff games that
he's played. That's an issue, and he knows it. That's
why he was so upset with himself and after the game.
In fact, look, let's hear it a little bit from
what the Lamar had to say after the game thirteen.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
First half, I had two costley turnovers, me not holding
the safety, me just knowing the cover and me knowing
it was man would bes in the session, Gabe. It
was seven seven at the time. I believe they scored
after that battle back fumble snap, trying to make something
happen and couldn't. Thought it was like a RPO place,
so I couldn't really throw the ball to a likely

(19:13):
you know, the officers line down the field, So I
was trying to make something happen, trying to squeeze the ball,
slip up, hand, picked it up, got some yards that
led to points for them.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
So he admits it. He can't turn that ball over,
he can't fumble, can't throw a random interception. That was
just like okay, like what was that? They need him,
and now you start to look at some other things.
He's become the new Peyton Manning, which is a compliment
because I think ultimately Peyton got it done obviously two
different franchise, and I think ultimately Lamar will get it done.

(19:43):
But he's in that franchise where we kept seeing Peyton
put up record numbers of passing and second records first
time three receivers with a thousand yards. Peyton Manning was
the sheriff. He was that guy MVP winner all the time,
and he just didn't look right. In the postseason, something
seemed off. He was tight. Lamar's at it. He was
a little too tight, he was a little going into
a little too anxious. Previously, he said that this year

(20:05):
and he tried to ease it, and he did ease
in the second half. The problem is the first half,
and he turns it over a little bit a couple
of times, and so that becomes problematic. And then when
you look at this, Rob the twenty eighteen to twenty
twenty four Ravens Now joined the nineteen ninety nine to
two thousand and five Colts led by pay Manny as
the other team in the NFL history with eighty plus
wins in a seventh season span without reaching a Super Bowl,

(20:27):
Meaning you are dominating the regular season, crushing it, but
in the postseason something ain't right. And I believe he's
going to get it right. But you can't turn it over.
You can't turn it over multiple times. Because here's the problem.
It's now gonna fall on you. We're gonna start forgetting
the Martin Andrews's that's a career defenise. What's a career

(20:48):
defiant yesterday? Because Rob, you know it goes to the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
I lost, But everybody who watched that know, everybody said
he dropped it a doubt that that wasn't even like
that dude. There were people on social media, I think
Mark Andrews and I'm just speculating.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
I think he has diabetes, right, Oh, yes he does.
And there were people rob g you heard this. There
were people tweeting or whatever.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
To the pharmaceutical companies know that they should raise the
price of insulin or some like like what kind of
sick people?

Speaker 1 (21:23):
All day?

Speaker 3 (21:24):
This is what I'm trying to tell you though, on
how they react to a football game like yesterday, If
you were a Ravens fan, or you were a football
fan and you bet money on or whatever more, you
weren't thinking about the two first half turnovers by Lamar.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
You couldn't believe that he dropped that ball. What I'm
saying is Andrews not your typical drop. Here's where I
would challenge that You're right for twenty four more hours.
Then it's going to become Lamar's legacy. Lamar doesn't get
it down the postseason, he can't beat the good quarterbacks,
he can't even get to the super Bowl. Comes his

(22:00):
legacy after about what forty eight to seventy two hours.
Let me tell you this. Then it becomes with Lamar
hasn't done. He's three and five in the postseason, multiple
turnovers off the time he leads again all quarterbacks in
the duration that he's been playing in the postseason with turnovers,
he has eight of them. Okay, let me all of
all the games. Eleven turnovers in eight games. People are

(22:21):
gonna use that against him. He's failed to win consecutive games.
You're this good? Why can't you win two games in
a row? All legit and people have a right to
put that up on the table.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
But I'm gonna tell people be careful of writing people
off because Michael Jordan took some seven years. You just
talked about paydon Man thet right till he finally got
it right everybody. The Celtics, they rode off the Celtics.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
You how good they Tatum can't win.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
Everybody picked Dallas last year, like, oh the Boston, No,
they can't win a big they can't win.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Everybody h they won. So all I'm saying that run
at Cleveland. Yeah, they was like, oh, he's givvyp's but
he can't win, win.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
So all I'm saying is his talent will eventually get there,
But that was a heartbreaker in that he was able
to get there. Uh you know, and like I say,
if it was four and out right, yeah, we'd be
outing a different conversation.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
And by the way, by the way, them losing scapegoated
Josh Allen, who wasn't that great. Didn't play that. Josh
Allen was cool, he didn't make mistakes. Credit him for that,
but it wasn't like he was out there balling. They
had six points in the second half and and didn't
do much right and so he has like one hundred
and what forty some ody yards? Rob g was it

(23:39):
won forty six? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Now Lamar
is now scapegoated because he loses, Josh Allen gets to
kind of go nobody saw me because Josh Allen wasn't
really doing He wasn't taking big risks, he wasn't swinging,
and obviously credit him because he didn't turn it over.
But now he gets to win again. That's the ultimate,
you know, stat or quarterback. He gets to win and

(24:02):
move on. When Lamar is not gonna be facing these
criticisms and he knows it. Lamar is fully aware. That's
why he was so mad that in the post conference
press conference he was so upset at himself because he knows,
at this point, we already know you're great. I already
believe you're the best player in the NFL. So to you,
but this is what it comes with. Can you get
to win? What I what I took away from that

(24:23):
game for real, And I'm dead serious.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
I really felt like we were cheated for what could
have been his coming out party in the postseason because
they needed to touch down. Do you know what?

Speaker 1 (24:33):
It was like the Kansas Lighty game where he drove
him all the way down but the big toe when
the big toe.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
Was on the line, like like this keeps happening to
him and I keep saying, wow, like really, that's we're
not gonna see him, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Have this opportunity. That's what I've That's the way I
came away from it, was like we were.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Robbed of that on an easy, easy throw, but like
ninety nine out of a hundred.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
But that's where again he can't turn it over. That
that's that interception was terrible. I don't know he was
throwing the like to win Manyama, I don't know what
he was doing. And then the fumble, he said, try
to make something happen, because here's the thing. He wants
to be the reason they won, not a part of
the reason why they lost. And he can't. You're too good.
We depend on you too much. If you're the Ravens,

(25:20):
we depend on you. What they're saying you can And
again they're not even gonna say he cost us the game,
but he knows it's his team and they ride on
his back. I get it. He can't. He can't cost
He has to be man. We just lost out keepers.
He can't. He can't.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
He's not gonna be perfect. That's not that's not sports
like the idea, that and that, and he's had too
many turnovers. But don't get me wrong. What I like
was the way he fought back in the second half.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
After that makes for a great story. W That's why
I think we were deprived is because he did make
a twenty one twenty one ten on the road you're
down in the playoff game against Josh Allen and the Bill. Seriously,
that's that line wasn't bad at all. Eighteen for twenty
five two fifty four to two touchdowns, rush for almost

(26:03):
forty yards as well. It's just that interception in that fumble.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
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Speaker 1 (26:19):
And even Troy Aikman had a little something to something
to say about Patrick Mahomes and the flop. I gotta
give him some respect.

Speaker 5 (26:25):
Personal foul, not necessary roughness defense Simmer thirty nine on Just.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
In Your Coverague. Here's the end of it.

Speaker 5 (26:34):
Yeah, I mean he's a runner and I could not
disagree with that one more.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
And he barely gets hit.

Speaker 5 (26:40):
That's the second penalty now that's been called against the Texans.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
That Troy, I agree with you.

Speaker 5 (26:47):
There's no forceable contact to the headneck area of him.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
The two Houston and players hit each other. That should
not have been a file and if.

Speaker 5 (26:54):
You, hey, they've got to address it in the off season.
You can, as a quarterback run around and play games
with the and then get.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
To be able to draw.

Speaker 5 (27:03):
And you know what.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Bravo to Troy Aikman. He gets it real all the time.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Brovo to Troy Aikman because a lot of guys don't
want to get into that with the league and fall
out of favors. That's a big job you don't want
to get, you know where the league come and tap
you on the shoulder and say, you know he's talking
too much smack, We need to get somebody else.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
But Troy Aikan has been doing a long time.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
He gets paid a lot of money, and he ain't
afraid to just be honest and he and his reaction
was natural.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Oh come on, like that was a natural that reaction
to that call. Dude that and shout out to Troy
because he'll call out the Cowboys too, you know, I
just you know that's because it out he season. That's
why he's been great for so long now doing this.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
He ain't Tiki Barber who backed the Giants for letting
Sakuon Barkley go inside and Daniel Jones crazy.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
So man, let me, let's talk about this. This is
absolutely people who feel like Patrick Mahomes, it's favorable calls.
You are dg ning Ning one thousand percent correct. It
happens regularly now for at least about three seasons. I mean,
you look at this play here, he's running out of
bounds and it got kind of just this is football.
He just touches the shoulder pals, Yeah, and he just

(28:17):
falls all over the place. He adds a little spice
to a little extra you know, a little extra chip
on a dip on a chip, and he gets the call. Now,
here's what the problem with this is, rob He keeps
getting the calls, so he keeps doing it. And this
is what happens when you have sustained success, sustain winning.
Tom Brady, who loves to talk about it now, by

(28:38):
the way, oh man, it's just too softer. Oh man,
it gets hard for the defense because all the offense
gets all these calls. Tom Brady was the beneficiary of
a lot of calls where you went, wait what you
couldn't touch Tim but you didn't touch him. They barely
hit him, or they okay, they sacked him. What's the issue.
Tom Brady got a lot of those calls, and a
part of that comes from sustain success, staying winning. Yeah,

(29:01):
but I don't know if it's subliminal with refs. I
don't know if it's subconscious. I don't know if it's intentional,
like hey, look, we need the Patriots, and hey, we
want the Chiefs in the Super Bowl. Hey we want
Michael Jordan in the finals. I don't know I known
Jordan getting calls like that. Know I'm saying he would
not get called. Michael Jordan never was in danger of
filling out. Never had to worry about Michael Jordan falling out.
You know who ain't following out this game? If she
ain't following out this game, So Jordan, Tom Brady, Uh.

(29:25):
You know, Peyton Manning got a lot of calls towards it,
you know, in in the height of his career. It's
certain guys, when you win a lot, you become the
face of a league. It's becomes a byproduct of that success,
in that winning and that greatness that they just give
you callts because I'm agreeing with everybody. He gets calls.
It's like, all right, brother, come yeh, but but here
you're putting way too much sauce on now you falling

(29:46):
around you James Harden going to the free throw like oh,
but here's the bad part about it. And this is
what people don't understand.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
The Chiefs should be being celebrated with a chance to
win a third straight Super Bowl and they're not and
they're not celebrated because people don't feel like they've earned it.
They feel like they're getting The Chiefs are getting NFL welfare,
government cheese handouts. Like seriously, that's why even if the Patriots,

(30:20):
the Patriots won six Super Bowls, they're not revered people
thinking of the much cheaters. And they got the call,
the tuck rule for Tom Brady, they got rob g
they got the ball back that.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Started it than any other thing because Drew might have
come back yes the next year, and Tom Brady made
them never gotten in or years later that that one
set it up. But in this case, it's hard to
root for a team, it really is, or marvel at

(30:54):
them when you think they're getting hand out. The one
thing it doesn't feel good, it feels better. It feels
like dirty, stinky. If I touch it, they gotta wash
my hands. Well, please do wash your hands if you
if you touch it and it was stinky, go ahead
and take care of that. I'm not mad at that.
The Kansas City Chiefs are three dollar bill that's what
they are.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Not.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
I don't agree with that. I think I think the
people don't like them because they went all the time
I think that's just the same. It's not everybodyn't doesn't
like the Warriors, right because they started to win so
much and it was all cute. Somebody says something great
to me. Years ago, a woman at my job came
in and she said something, Well, you know, the same
thing they love you for will be eventually be the

(31:34):
same thing they hate you for. And I gave you
an example. We all got that friend, right, crazy boy,
I love hanging out with Rot. Not you, Rob, but Tim. Why, man,
Tim is crazy. You never know what's gonna happen. It's
a wild time with Tim. Three years later, Why you
don't hang with Tim no more? Man, Tim's too wild.
It's crazy. You never know what's gonna happen with Tim
and the Patriots, the Warriors now the Chiefs. They're always

(31:58):
in the news. They're they're they're they're they're styling on you,
they're you know, talking smack, they're commercials everywhere, And you
love it at first. Then it becomes the thing. You're
tired of it. And that just happens with any dynasty.
In my opinion, it happens.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
You might not like them because they went too much,
but this is worse because you don't agreed to ask
to it. Because I understand when people win a lot, okay,
it's just get tired. But but but in this case
where they're getting like favors or or help from the official.
When they won that uh super Bowl, remember he got

(32:35):
pushed out of bounds and they gave a fifteen fifteen
yard penalty and they keep it and then they kicked
the field goal and won the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Like, this is what's been happening, And you go, what
he was out of bounds? What? What? What was he was?

Speaker 3 (32:48):
He was not a bounds and that shouldn't have been
a penalty. Here's fifteen yards, this is what they do.
Let's let's get him in a field goal range. Here's
a fifteen yard penalty. Troy Aikman is watching the game
I live. I love that he caught it out and
the reaction was real because it wasn't He was just like,
are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 (33:06):
He was just a fan at home having a beer
with his buddies and and said it and he spoke
with everybody has been feeling them and feeling for quite
some time. But again, my only thing is this is
just ends up being happening that's why you know, pay
many Michael Jordan. They just get these calls. And again,
I don't know if it's subliminal with the refs meaning
like I just I mean never with the greatest and

(33:26):
this person got to get this car. They or it's
just office and and I don't know for something more sinister,
you know, like you know what I'm in this game,
this next game, I'm in the I'm in my ABC bag.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Anybody but the chief, anybody what you've been in there,
I'm in that bad and especially when watching this game.
And just dude, I'm not saying let me get that
that though Texans or this, but but don't cheat that,
don't chance here or let them lose that, let them
lose or be fair and call that for everybody. That's

(34:02):
the other part. So fine, Patrick Mahoon gets that.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
That's fine and not gonna get your golf got laid
out and everybody talked about he didn't get that Jadeen
Daniels got hit. Didn't get that Jalen hurt slid and
the dude jumped into him. He didn't get that Lamar
Jackson twice in that game. Would have got to call that.
Patrick Mahomes guy. So it's one of those to me, Rob,
if you're calling it for him, okay, fine, it was
a little questionable. Can these other quarterbacks get that too?

(34:25):
And that's the issue.
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