November 11, 2025 • 26 mins
Rob and Kelvin tell us if the Dallas Mavericks ownership used Nico Harrison as a scapegoat for everything that’s gone wrong for them the last 9 months, explain why we are one step closer to an all-SEC vs all-Big Ten College Football Playoff, and debate whether the Dallas Mavericks should tear it down and trade Anthony Davis and Kyrie Irving in the wake of the Nico Harrison firing.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Yeah, it is news, but I can't say it's breaking
news because we all kind of saw this one come
in for the last couple of weeks. The Dallas Mavericks
have officially parted ways within battle general manager Nico Harrison,
nine months after he upended the franchise by training away
all world point guard Luka Doncic for a package including
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Anthony Davis. Anthony Davis famously has only played fourteen of
forty six possible games since the trade. The team has
started out there the second worst record in the Western Conference,
and ownership couldn't take it anymore. So Nico Harrison is
out in Dallas, all right.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
And you know what, I get it.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
When you're down losing three, three and eleven to start, right,
people want blood. Fans aren't happy. I get all that.
But I'm gonna tell you this. You guys can say
whatever you want, have your party, have your parade, because
Nico's gotten run out of Dallas.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Do all that.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Pump your chest, it's your belt time.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
This was the same general manager that led his team
to the NBA Finals at twenty twenty four, right, not
nine years ago.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
He is being used as a scapegoat. He traded Luca
Dodgers not because he wanted to trade him.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
It's because ownership didn't want to pay him. Did you
hear me? It wasn't because he wanted to try ate him.
It was because.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Ownership didn't want to pay him. Those are the facts.
Let me give you some other facts why this is
a scapegoat move. It ain't like he's got his team together,
the one that he put together.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
If he had that team together and they were.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Three and eleven by all means, AD's heard, kyriees heard.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Cooper flag.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Unimpressive, so far out of position, not playing well, the
number one overall, Picky's be all end all and nell.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Ice cream that we can't resist.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
No, none of it has worked out. But they aren't
bad because they're healthy and they're all together. And they
just haven't played well. None of that is the case.
And if you're gonna do that, Jason Kidd should be
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on a rail on his way out as well. Oh
wait a minute, you can look at Jason Kidd and say, well,
of course, because uh, the team's not healthy, so Jason
Kidd doesn't have to go anywhere, and that how it works.
But the general manager who got you talent? You can
say all you want, all you NBA fans, ask your
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team and your general managers, when was the last time
they went to the NBA finals. I'll wait because it's
been a long time. So I have an issue with
the idea. If this was a team with Kyrie with
ad with the overall number one pick and he was
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lights out and all this other stuff was happening, they
wouldn't be three and eleven. And I get it. It's
it's real simple. Sports has a short menu. Fans look
at three and eleven not happy. You gotta do something.
You just gave Jason Kidd a new contract, didn't you,
So of course Nico is going to be the fall guy.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Man Ain't nobody trying to hear nothing you're talking about
right now? Because none of this is new Rob. We
knew going into the trade that Anthony Davis was a
liability because he was always injured, which works when you
have a team like Lebron and some other pieces. You say, okay,
but when he's gonna be your focal point tied in
with your other focal point, Kyrie Irving, who's always injured,
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that was the problem. That's what I was yelling at
you during those weeks of the trade. Who traded him
ownership for him? Absolute ownership. Okay, okay, that's what that
so I just want to get that on the table
to react now. He is absolutely the fall guy. He
is absolutely the scapegoat. He didn't want to trade Luca
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with it. It's not like he's a middling guy that
you didn't know was gonna all of a sudden become
a star. You didn't trade say it was Austin Ree
three years ago and then became a star.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Oh we didn't see that coming.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
You can't trade Luca Donets without the sign off of
the ownership and the ownership listening to him. They at
least allegedly that he brought it up, he pitched it.
They didn't want to sign for all the max money
because they believe he was in Jerry prone and he
wasn't gonna get in shape. Well, that's also part of
the problem, Rob, is that they're three and eleven and
the Lakers are like the opposite of that. Lucas played great,
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could say he's the leading candidate for MVP right now.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
I was just like thirty something almost.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Forty a game, Okay, Yeah, And so that's also part
of the problems that the Lakers look great right now
without Lebron and Luca was expected to do it. Dallas absolutely,
if he was out of shape, heavy and playing terribly,
people could say there's a.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
No, he's a good player. That's the idea that you
think that they're like, oh my god, Luca's great.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
He was a five time first at all NBA, so
you left have to keep he is in shape, No,
but without shape.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
And now he's in shape. So why wouldn't he get
in shape for you?
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Because because he.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Never would, and because he wouldn't allowed him to know
he was like her for.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
A handful of months. All of a sudden, he's in
the basis he wanted the money. He's in the best
shape of his life.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Now, and they got a needle now that you could look.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I'm just assuming that you so now work out pro
athlete can't get in shape.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Now the pro athlete gotta be jabbing himself. Stop it,
lou Good Dodges, would you be shocked if he's on that?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (06:37):
Him specifically is me you rob geedn somebody know one.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Of the greatest tennis players of all time does advertise m.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
She ain't playing tennis right now.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
But when everybody looked at him and showed all those
sloppy pictures of him and talked about his weight.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
You're just trying to say, literally, one of the greatest
out season in the world and prime twenty six seven
years old, has to be jabbing himself.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
He wished he looked like at twenty five we looked
thirty five. That was the issue out back why he
didn't get the mex Cotack got in doubt.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
I agree that Nico is escapego because again, even if
he Pitcher suggested that they have to sign off on trading,
a generational French.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Said, don't know, you're not trading. So I agree with that.
I didn't want to. Niko is gonna land some cushy job.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
This is all he's gonna get something the NBA, the
Dallas look, just go away so we can make this thing.
Thinking you're gonna be part of the Olympic Basketball Committee
team or some cushy job up in New York or
Sarasota wherever they are, and you'll come get some jobs here.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
I don't know where they're at.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Where is the headquarter, Sokus saying somewhere whoever?
Speaker 1 (07:44):
The headquarter of the NBA is in Manhattan, but the
TV thing is ink yeah secaka NBA TV Entertainment.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
He's gonna be up in Seakaukia somewhere. The office is
in Manhattan.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Yeah that so, But back to this, to me was
so inevitable and not expect him necessary to be three
to eleven. But the point is my whole point, honestly,
Rob was Kyrie is in his mid thirties and often injury,
a spectacular player, but always injured.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
You traded him a championship with Anthony Davis. Yeah, okay,
five six years ago. But I'm just asking he was
injured before he came to LA and you had the
last peak been at Lebron. No, but I'm asking you
he was not injured during that He played out without.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
I agree, but Rob, he's always injured now, especially he's
even six years older than Lucas.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
So that was my point.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
If they traded Luca for SGA, I would have said,
all right, I didn't see that coming, but I can
get it.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
And Edwards, oh, I didn't see Okay, Yiannis jo Kic.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
It's that they traded him for six years older than
injury to pair with another injury guy, and the pair
with a seventy two year old Klay Thompson.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
None of it made sense from the jump.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
That was always my issue was that if you felt
he needed to go, you didn't get the best for him.
You didn't get even also reads where he say, at
least we got ad and Austin Reeds, we got something going.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
They didn't get anything.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
And then you brought Jay Kidd and the idea that
Jason Kidd would say, well, I think Cooper Flag should
be a point guard.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Jason Kidd, are you kidding me? You're one of the.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Greatest point guards ever. You know what the point guard
looks like. Cooper Flag is not going to be a
point guard. Get a rebound and go every now and again, sure,
but a point guard. So this just looks bad. I
knew I was never in on this. Look at that
front court. They the best front court. Who's giving the
ball to the front court people.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
It's easy to say that when beforehand you still arranged me.
All I'm saying is this was never put together or
never got a chance.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
It's like the Brooklyn thing. You could say, whatever, it
didn't work.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah, of course, because they played a total of sixteen
games together. I'll give you that one. That idea of
it is it like like it was the worst thing
in the world. And even without two of the three players,
Kd's foot on the line almost got them to the
Eastern Conference Final, Like he made the shot and then
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on't wait a minute, his foot's on the line, Like
that's how close it was. Without Kyrie and with an
injured James Harden, it was incredible. But anyway, with that though,
I didn't see like this, he's just he's escapegoat. And
you could go all you want, Cooper flag hasn't been
his advertised uh and and is out of playing out
of position, and and Clay is done. We knew that
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when he signed there. And then you got the other
the other two guys who were supposed to be a
part of this.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Who were hurt?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
So when you start out three and eleven, you know
they love they're always hurt. They didn't go, but they
didn't go to the finals. That was That wasn't ten
years ago. That's that's what you're right. It was twenty twenty,
twenty twenty three when they went to the finals. Oh,
I'm talking about the Mavericks.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
You got rid of the guy that dragged it to
the Western Counch finals in the map in the finals.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Where did they Where did the Lakers go when they
got that guy?
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Last year? Where'd they go? He just got there? I
don't know what is that to do with it? He
went to the final year before. Yet him get a
whole season? Yo, let him get a whole season.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
I knew I figured you would forget about that last year,
but everybody told me, including you.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Let the season. Oh who would you take over? Who
would you take over? Lebron and Luca Luke? I'll tell
you who. Luca and Austin Reeves. Okay.
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Rob g we got the new college football playoff rankings.
We also got some coaches and even SEC commissioners who
have been talking about the fact that they believe we've
had This is two weeks now in a row where
you at Sark talking about there needs to be three
loss SEC teams and now you got the commissioner talking
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about it should be six to eight teams in the.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
College football playoffs.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah, for good reason, Because I don't know if you
guys saw in the latest rankings, He's been talking about
it all night during his updates. So if you missed
the check.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Out world renowned updates.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Three of the top five, six of the top ten
teams and the latest College Football Playoff rankies are from
the SEC conference, and that is one reason why you
alluded to Steve Sarkisian said at the end of last week.
You know, I'm not saying that a three loss team
shouldn't be in the college football Playoff, but you know
they should would make sense for a team like a
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three loss Texas team to make it. And then yesterday
Commissioner Greg Sank said that the SEC should have at
least six to eight teams. He's that big time in
the playoff after them. Yes, sir, If based on what
they're saying, why do we have a football season?
Speaker 4 (13:10):
It should be the SEC Invitational? Right, Well, that's what
we're getting close to.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
And Rob both of y'all, how much longer before we
get into where big ten SEC somehow find a way
to separate themselves and make it just it's their championship
and it's just twenty teams in each conference and they
just go at it. Because that's where we're headed where
I don't even the PAC twelve pack, eight pack, five pack,
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whatever they pack it up is what I want to
call them.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
And the Big twelve.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
I mean, you're getting closer and closer where it's just
these two conferences and it's all that matters. And as
we do our college kids segments every week with our
wonderful guests that join us and Sierra, I believe Sierra,
and we're talking about it last week, we're just getting
closer and closer to where. I mean, you look at
this run list of team when you got teams in
the Big ten, like Indiana who normally aren't there, you
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got obviously now Oregon's part of the Big ten. I mean,
between these two conferences, that's essentially gonna be it. And
obviously you have the automatic bid, the automatic you know
wins with you know, getting in one of your conference.
How much longer is that gonna last? Because we've already
had people suggest that maybe should be done with, you know,
the automatic bids for the ones who win their conference.
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How much longer is that gonna last? A handful of
years before that's gone, So we're heading right towards this
where it's just gonna be. And now maybe they go
from twelve to twenty four at some point twelve to
twenty and then more teams will have a chance to
get in. But as of right now, if you're talking
only twelve teams, it's gonna be at least eight of
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them will be nine of them will be from the
Big Ten and SEC. And if you don't win, if
you don't win your conference, you have no other shot.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
It has nothing to do with anything other than money.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
That's it. How can we make the most money? And
they don't care. They don't care about tradition, they don't
care about any of that other stuff. What's the best deal?
What where we're gonna get the most money? It doesn't matter.
So what lose four games, five games, they still gonna
outdraw the team that was undefeated. That that's where we are.
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They don't care. And college football fans, this is there
in most places, a lot of these places. To you,
that's all they got, you know it. That's all they got.
What are you gonna tell people, don't go to the
games in Tuscaloosa, don't.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Go West Virginia, don't West Virginia, Alabama. No, drive and
go to a Washington Nationals game in West from West Virginia.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
No. This is all you have. So you're gonna like it,
whether you will like it or not. What what What
are you gonna do, rebel, not go, not buy tickets,
not watch? What are you gonna do? Nothing? So that's
why they treat you this way. You're gonna make it
where it doesn't matter. I remember, and I've said this
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to Rob g in the old days, the Lloyd Carr
days of Michigan. Dude, they used to lose a game
or two season, we wouldn't talk about them on sports
talk radio in Detroit, like, sir, the season was over?
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Why do you lose a game or two?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
It was like, okay, college basketball season, I mean, college
football season's over.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
How bad the Lion's gonna be? Because because that's how
it used to be, like games matter. You almost had
to win almost all the game. Maybe you have a
loss or something, you know what I mean. And as
soon as you lost, it was like, well, I don't
know if we can really get there now or be
number you got to start. At least we can win
and play, you know, a good team in the Rose
Bowl and maybe.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Exactly and that and that's what it used to be,
and that's not what they want to like. So what
it's don what they got three losses, They're still better
than any of these other teams that are undefeated or
nobody will show up in this small school nobody cares about,
Like that's what they don't care. Get the big boys
in the room. That's all we want.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
And you're gonna have to with the advent of thel
and transfer portal, I will say some of these other schools.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
I mean, you can change your destiny very quickly.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
You get the right transfer guys, and you get the
right guys throwing them a couple of bucks. You can
change the trajectory of your of your you know, program quickly.
I mean Indiana, I've started last year and then boom,
now here they are.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Guys, if we agree at the SEC and the Big ten,
of the two big dogs in college football, what is
to prevent them, as you guys alluded to, from just
saying we don't need the NC double A. We're gonna
have our own playoffs, nothing, nothing, and where's gonna go
from there?
Speaker 4 (17:34):
You can do it.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Just for additional context for why I'm asking this question.
Before the show, me and Robert talking about the show
and the rundown, how we're gonna map this out, Like, Hey,
what time do the rankings come out? Because it's gonna
determine where we're going to talk about it. And I
screwed up because I looked at nc double A dot
com and on their site it says rankings will be
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released at eight thirty to nine pm Eastern.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
On ESPN.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Guys, it is a thirty right now, and the rank
has been out for an hour right So the NCAA
website doesn't even know how this is working.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Rob g I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
When we just said we're gonna do this, I was
surprised because we had talked earlier. I thought it was
later that we were only gonna be able to do
it as the last or last five and then we
would do a topic, you know, tomorrow. So I was
even surprised. And now again like they don't have any power.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
No, I mean not to mention when you had these
two con real quick, and we want to get trash talking.
When they start poaching, we need to get to they
can poach the the teams. Hey, Oklahoma, Oklahoma's been big ten,
I mean Big twelve, for that's just how you synonymous
you think of them. Come on over here, Oregon. He
don't get no more Pac twelve than that. Hey, come
on all the way over usc you see, come on.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Over here to Big ten like that.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Even geographically it doesn't even make sense, like you're going
across the country. Why don't you start pulling like that?
It's a rap and everybody else is gonna be trying
to get in, and you're gonna have fifty twenty five
twenty five, and that's going to be the powerhouse of
the college. If you're not in that fifty, you can't
be in the real college championship.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
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Speaker 3 (19:33):
Big Story of the Day, The Dallas Mavericks have fired
GM Nico Harrison nine months after that disastrous Luka Doncicz trade,
and now we talked about it. Now we're one like,
how much blame does he deserve? Was he escapegoaded? Now
we're looking forward? So what's next for the Dallas Mavericks.
If you look at their cap sheet, they got two
very highly paid, highly injured stars and Anthony Davis and
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Kyrie Irving. They have what could be or should be
the you know, quote unquote generational prospect in Cooper Flag
and they only control the rights to their own first
round pick this season, and they don't do so again
until twenty thirty one.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
So, guys, in the post Nico era, what's the plan
for the MAVs.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
The plan is everybody can go. I would like to
keep clearly Cooper ain't going nowhere, but I would like
to keep PJ Washington and just that. I just you
gotta have somebody who score ball a little bit.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
He's like that.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
And I would like to keep Lively right, to have
me a nice big who can play a little defense,
change some shots, affect things at the rim, and then obviously,
you know, be a part of that tip dunk, offensive
rebound guy.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Rest of that, everybody can go.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
I don't want to is not optimal, know, you not
have a star like an Ad or Kyrie, but the
fact of it is rance for the rest of their careers.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
I just don't know their availability.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Kyrie Irvan is one of the most special players we've
ever seen, talent wise, complete, just skill wise, often injured.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Stuff's going on. There was the COVID year and it
just stuff.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
So as always, you just don't know the reliability of
Kyrie Iran talent wise. We know if he just was
gonna play eighty eighty games, seventy five games, you knew
what he was gonna get great. Same thing with Anthony
Davis two way player. I know exactly what I'm getting
them both ends of the floor when he's healthy, when
he's rolling. But I don't have a creator right now.
I don't have guys who can get the ball. I
don't have guys who can make it easier for other people.
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D'Angel l Russell ain't that and it never has been that.
That's just not his skill set. His skill set is
coming really more of a come off the bench and
get you a bucket kind of guy. So to me,
I'm willing to start over, new general manager coming in.
You got your new rookie and Cooper Flag who needs
to get things going and let him just have this
year to figure it out. Figure it out, get shot up,
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play defense, figure out the pacing of the NBA, figure
out the competitiveness of the NBA, the physicality of the NBA.
Figure it all out. We're gonna keep a couple of
pieces around and then that moving. I'm filing calls how
much you want? Who wants what for? Anthony Davis? Kyrie
will be back end of the year, early next year.
Who wants what for? Kyrie?
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Who wants the person?
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Because Klay Thompson's watched eighty is often injured, Kyrie is
often injured, and Cooper Flag is finding his way.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
So to me, I'm open for business.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
To me, you just have to be I'm hear in
a hard reset building around Cooper, building around you know
whoever the new general manager is going to be and
Fielding finding our way, our thing, our identity, because you
can't you can't do anything with the rest of these guys.
To me that I don't like they're constructed and to
what veil, to what avail? The Western Conference is loaded?
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What be the ninth seed every year for the next
couple of years.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Totally disagree.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I think that you could have because you have the
young star, you got the first overall pick who's supposed
to be a star. You could try to go along
with what you have, hope these guys can get healthy,
make a run. He becomes the bridge to take you
into that next because you already got your guy. You
don't need to tank to get your guy. You have
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your guy already. If you had old guys without Cooper Flag,
then I would agree with you. You already have them.
You're not gonna get better than what you just got.
So you have your guy. So the idea is to
be able to let these guys get healthy. Let's see
what we can do right, Let's see if we can
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make a run with this, and if not, then as
you get rid of pieces and move forward, then you
could start to compliment him. And then you have a
bridge between us being viable with a young superstar and
the making star whatever you want to call him. Plus,
you have a guy who's won a couple guys who
have won NBA championship, so write maybe some of that
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rubs off on him on how to win. He's around
those kind of guys, putting him around a bunch of
young guys trying to all grow together. It could work
once in a while, but it didn't work often. So
I'm just saying, when you have a guy already and
you luck out and have that, and yet I just
think about it like Tim Duncan.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
When Tim Duncan was able to go there with David Robinson, right,
so that was unfortunate, Like they weren't as bad as
getting that number one.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
No, but he was heard and they did. But I'm
just saying, you wind up being able to have both.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Tim Duncan was obviously your future, but you had David
Robinson and you didn't go, Okay, we got Tim Duncan.
Now let's get run.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
I won up your example with your own example when
you were them, and then you start to get Tony
Parker becomes a guy, and then you go get a Kawhi.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
The difference is to me a couple of things.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
One, you just can't have guys they're talking about that
are always injured, like Anthony Davis, and it's only gonna
get worse.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
He's getting older.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
It's not like you got him at twenty three and
you say, well, we don't know, no, we know, and
it's only going to get worse, Kyrie Irvan, It's only
going to get worse. And so the reason why when
you start to look at the teams that have had
success over the last ten years or so, it's guys
who grew together. It's drafting Steph drafting, Clay drafting Draymond drafting,
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Harrison Barnes, and then you running around obviously Harrison bars believe.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
You the Toronto Winnings Championship, they had a core, got
group of guys with that, but they couldn't win with
that Cord.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
That Lebron wasn't there and they might have won, but
that but that Cord. Lebronto was hating.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
That that court didn't win, all right, and so did
what you called you talk about. Okay, Philadelphia did that.
They had all these high draft picks, they put them
all together. Trust the process that they went. They couldn't
even get to the conference. They couldn't even get there.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
And then I go back to the Celtics again, you
had your corp. They had a run, they got to
a couple of finals, they won one, and and you
just to me, I'm looking at now, let's not even
talk about Oklahoma City Thunder. As far as it's got
some core, you got a good you got a great
young trade. I can't believe the Clippers gave up SGA.
And so my point is, just find your things, make
a couple of trades, get some young pieces, and build
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so you can build towards your future and then utilize,
you know, the next ten twelve years that you got
Cooper Flag whatever it will be, and maximum, pair him
up with some guys that he can grow with, bill
with and fight with, go through the get their lumps
and bruises, as the Splash Brothers and Draymond did, and
the Celtics did. You gotta go through some things in
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the NBA. We all know that. So get some Cooper Flag.
Pair them up with a couple of young, good guys.
One can be a little older, the twenty five to
twenty sixers. You definitely need somebody in their prime. And
then let's go through some things. Let's go lose a
couple of times in the playoffs, in the Western Counas
finals and get to a final.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
To me, that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
I'm not hoping that guys who are always injured don't
get injured. That's what I'm not in the business.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Yeah, it is news, but I can't say it's breaking
news because we all kind of saw this one come
in for the last couple of weeks. The Dallas Mavericks
have officially parted ways within battle general manager Nico Harrison,
nine months after he upended the franchise by training away
all world point guard Luka Doncic for a package including
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Anthony Davis. Anthony Davis famously has only played fourteen of
forty six possible games since the trade. The team has
started out there the second worst record in the Western Conference,
and ownership couldn't take it anymore. So Nico Harrison is
out in Dallas, all right.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
And you know what, I get it.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
When you're down losing three, three and eleven to start, right,
people want blood. Fans aren't happy. I get all that.
But I'm gonna tell you this. You guys can say
whatever you want, have your party, have your parade, because
Nico's gotten run out of Dallas.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Do all that.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Pump your chest, it's your belt time.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
This was the same general manager that led his team
to the NBA Finals at twenty twenty four, right, not
nine years ago.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
He is being used as a scapegoat. He traded Luca
Dodgers not because he wanted to trade him.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
It's because ownership didn't want to pay him. Did you
hear me? It wasn't because he wanted to try ate him.
It was because.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Ownership didn't want to pay him. Those are the facts.
Let me give you some other facts why this is
a scapegoat move. It ain't like he's got his team together,
the one that he put together.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
If he had that team together and they were.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Three and eleven by all means, AD's heard, kyriees heard.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Cooper flag.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Unimpressive, so far out of position, not playing well, the
number one overall, Picky's be all end all and nell.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Ice cream that we can't resist.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
No, none of it has worked out. But they aren't
bad because they're healthy and they're all together. And they
just haven't played well. None of that is the case.
And if you're gonna do that, Jason Kidd should be
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on a rail on his way out as well. Oh
wait a minute, you can look at Jason Kidd and say, well,
of course, because uh, the team's not healthy, so Jason
Kidd doesn't have to go anywhere, and that how it works.
But the general manager who got you talent? You can
say all you want, all you NBA fans, ask your
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team and your general managers, when was the last time
they went to the NBA finals. I'll wait because it's
been a long time. So I have an issue with
the idea. If this was a team with Kyrie with
ad with the overall number one pick and he was
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lights out and all this other stuff was happening, they
wouldn't be three and eleven. And I get it. It's
it's real simple. Sports has a short menu. Fans look
at three and eleven not happy. You gotta do something.
You just gave Jason Kidd a new contract, didn't you,
So of course Nico is going to be the fall guy.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Man Ain't nobody trying to hear nothing you're talking about
right now? Because none of this is new Rob. We
knew going into the trade that Anthony Davis was a
liability because he was always injured, which works when you
have a team like Lebron and some other pieces. You say, okay,
but when he's gonna be your focal point tied in
with your other focal point, Kyrie Irving, who's always injured,
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that was the problem. That's what I was yelling at
you during those weeks of the trade. Who traded him
ownership for him? Absolute ownership. Okay, okay, that's what that
so I just want to get that on the table
to react now. He is absolutely the fall guy. He
is absolutely the scapegoat. He didn't want to trade Luca
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with it. It's not like he's a middling guy that
you didn't know was gonna all of a sudden become
a star. You didn't trade say it was Austin Ree
three years ago and then became a star.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Oh we didn't see that coming.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
You can't trade Luca Donets without the sign off of
the ownership and the ownership listening to him. They at
least allegedly that he brought it up, he pitched it.
They didn't want to sign for all the max money
because they believe he was in Jerry prone and he
wasn't gonna get in shape. Well, that's also part of
the problem, Rob, is that they're three and eleven and
the Lakers are like the opposite of that. Lucas played great,
(05:26):
could say he's the leading candidate for MVP right now.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
I was just like thirty something almost.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Forty a game, Okay, Yeah, And so that's also part
of the problems that the Lakers look great right now
without Lebron and Luca was expected to do it. Dallas absolutely,
if he was out of shape, heavy and playing terribly,
people could say there's a.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
No, he's a good player. That's the idea that you
think that they're like, oh my god, Luca's great.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
He was a five time first at all NBA, so
you left have to keep he is in shape, No,
but without shape.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
And now he's in shape. So why wouldn't he get
in shape for you?
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Because because he.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Never would, and because he wouldn't allowed him to know
he was like her for.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
A handful of months. All of a sudden, he's in
the basis he wanted the money. He's in the best
shape of his life.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Now, and they got a needle now that you could look.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I'm just assuming that you so now work out pro
athlete can't get in shape.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Now the pro athlete gotta be jabbing himself. Stop it,
lou Good Dodges, would you be shocked if he's on that?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (06:37):
Him specifically is me you rob geedn somebody know one.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Of the greatest tennis players of all time does advertise m.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
She ain't playing tennis right now.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
But when everybody looked at him and showed all those
sloppy pictures of him and talked about his weight.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
You're just trying to say, literally, one of the greatest
out season in the world and prime twenty six seven
years old, has to be jabbing himself.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
He wished he looked like at twenty five we looked
thirty five. That was the issue out back why he
didn't get the mex Cotack got in doubt.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
I agree that Nico is escapego because again, even if
he Pitcher suggested that they have to sign off on trading,
a generational French.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Said, don't know, you're not trading. So I agree with that.
I didn't want to. Niko is gonna land some cushy job.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
This is all he's gonna get something the NBA, the
Dallas look, just go away so we can make this thing.
Thinking you're gonna be part of the Olympic Basketball Committee
team or some cushy job up in New York or
Sarasota wherever they are, and you'll come get some jobs here.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
I don't know where they're at.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Where is the headquarter, Sokus saying somewhere whoever?
Speaker 1 (07:44):
The headquarter of the NBA is in Manhattan, but the
TV thing is ink yeah secaka NBA TV Entertainment.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
He's gonna be up in Seakaukia somewhere. The office is
in Manhattan.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Yeah that so, But back to this, to me was
so inevitable and not expect him necessary to be three
to eleven. But the point is my whole point, honestly,
Rob was Kyrie is in his mid thirties and often injury,
a spectacular player, but always injured.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
You traded him a championship with Anthony Davis. Yeah, okay,
five six years ago. But I'm just asking he was
injured before he came to LA and you had the
last peak been at Lebron. No, but I'm asking you
he was not injured during that He played out without.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
I agree, but Rob, he's always injured now, especially he's
even six years older than Lucas.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
So that was my point.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
If they traded Luca for SGA, I would have said,
all right, I didn't see that coming, but I can
get it.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
And Edwards, oh, I didn't see Okay, Yiannis jo Kic.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
It's that they traded him for six years older than
injury to pair with another injury guy, and the pair
with a seventy two year old Klay Thompson.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
None of it made sense from the jump.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
That was always my issue was that if you felt
he needed to go, you didn't get the best for him.
You didn't get even also reads where he say, at
least we got ad and Austin Reeds, we got something going.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
They didn't get anything.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
And then you brought Jay Kidd and the idea that
Jason Kidd would say, well, I think Cooper Flag should
be a point guard.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Jason Kidd, are you kidding me? You're one of the.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Greatest point guards ever. You know what the point guard
looks like. Cooper Flag is not going to be a
point guard. Get a rebound and go every now and again, sure,
but a point guard. So this just looks bad. I
knew I was never in on this. Look at that
front court. They the best front court. Who's giving the
ball to the front court people.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
It's easy to say that when beforehand you still arranged me.
All I'm saying is this was never put together or
never got a chance.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
It's like the Brooklyn thing. You could say, whatever, it
didn't work.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah, of course, because they played a total of sixteen
games together. I'll give you that one. That idea of
it is it like like it was the worst thing
in the world. And even without two of the three players,
Kd's foot on the line almost got them to the
Eastern Conference Final, Like he made the shot and then
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on't wait a minute, his foot's on the line, Like
that's how close it was. Without Kyrie and with an
injured James Harden, it was incredible. But anyway, with that though,
I didn't see like this, he's just he's escapegoat. And
you could go all you want, Cooper flag hasn't been
his advertised uh and and is out of playing out
of position, and and Clay is done. We knew that
(10:23):
when he signed there. And then you got the other
the other two guys who were supposed to be a
part of this.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Who were hurt?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
So when you start out three and eleven, you know
they love they're always hurt. They didn't go, but they
didn't go to the finals. That was That wasn't ten
years ago. That's that's what you're right. It was twenty twenty,
twenty twenty three when they went to the finals. Oh,
I'm talking about the Mavericks.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
You got rid of the guy that dragged it to
the Western Counch finals in the map in the finals.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Where did they Where did the Lakers go when they
got that guy?
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Last year? Where'd they go? He just got there? I
don't know what is that to do with it? He
went to the final year before. Yet him get a
whole season? Yo, let him get a whole season.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
I knew I figured you would forget about that last year,
but everybody told me, including you.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Let the season. Oh who would you take over? Who
would you take over? Lebron and Luca Luke? I'll tell
you who. Luca and Austin Reeves. Okay.
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Rob g we got the new college football playoff rankings.
We also got some coaches and even SEC commissioners who
have been talking about the fact that they believe we've
had This is two weeks now in a row where
you at Sark talking about there needs to be three
loss SEC teams and now you got the commissioner talking
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about it should be six to eight teams in the.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
College football playoffs.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah, for good reason, Because I don't know if you
guys saw in the latest rankings, He's been talking about
it all night during his updates. So if you missed
the check.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Out world renowned updates.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Three of the top five, six of the top ten
teams and the latest College Football Playoff rankies are from
the SEC conference, and that is one reason why you
alluded to Steve Sarkisian said at the end of last week.
You know, I'm not saying that a three loss team
shouldn't be in the college football Playoff, but you know
they should would make sense for a team like a
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three loss Texas team to make it. And then yesterday
Commissioner Greg Sank said that the SEC should have at
least six to eight teams. He's that big time in
the playoff after them. Yes, sir, If based on what
they're saying, why do we have a football season?
Speaker 4 (13:10):
It should be the SEC Invitational? Right, Well, that's what
we're getting close to.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
And Rob both of y'all, how much longer before we
get into where big ten SEC somehow find a way
to separate themselves and make it just it's their championship
and it's just twenty teams in each conference and they
just go at it. Because that's where we're headed where
I don't even the PAC twelve pack, eight pack, five pack,
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whatever they pack it up is what I want to
call them.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
And the Big twelve.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
I mean, you're getting closer and closer where it's just
these two conferences and it's all that matters. And as
we do our college kids segments every week with our
wonderful guests that join us and Sierra, I believe Sierra,
and we're talking about it last week, we're just getting
closer and closer to where. I mean, you look at
this run list of team when you got teams in
the Big ten, like Indiana who normally aren't there, you
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got obviously now Oregon's part of the Big ten. I mean,
between these two conferences, that's essentially gonna be it. And
obviously you have the automatic bid, the automatic you know
wins with you know, getting in one of your conference.
How much longer is that gonna last? Because we've already
had people suggest that maybe should be done with, you know,
the automatic bids for the ones who win their conference.
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How much longer is that gonna last? A handful of
years before that's gone, So we're heading right towards this
where it's just gonna be. And now maybe they go
from twelve to twenty four at some point twelve to
twenty and then more teams will have a chance to
get in. But as of right now, if you're talking
only twelve teams, it's gonna be at least eight of
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them will be nine of them will be from the
Big Ten and SEC. And if you don't win, if
you don't win your conference, you have no other shot.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
It has nothing to do with anything other than money.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
That's it. How can we make the most money? And
they don't care. They don't care about tradition, they don't
care about any of that other stuff. What's the best deal?
What where we're gonna get the most money? It doesn't matter.
So what lose four games, five games, they still gonna
outdraw the team that was undefeated. That that's where we are.
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They don't care. And college football fans, this is there
in most places, a lot of these places. To you,
that's all they got, you know it. That's all they got.
What are you gonna tell people, don't go to the
games in Tuscaloosa, don't.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Go West Virginia, don't West Virginia, Alabama. No, drive and
go to a Washington Nationals game in West from West Virginia.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
No. This is all you have. So you're gonna like it,
whether you will like it or not. What what What
are you gonna do, rebel, not go, not buy tickets,
not watch? What are you gonna do? Nothing? So that's
why they treat you this way. You're gonna make it
where it doesn't matter. I remember, and I've said this
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to Rob g in the old days, the Lloyd Carr
days of Michigan. Dude, they used to lose a game
or two season, we wouldn't talk about them on sports
talk radio in Detroit, like, sir, the season was over?
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Why do you lose a game or two?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
It was like, okay, college basketball season, I mean, college
football season's over.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
How bad the Lion's gonna be? Because because that's how
it used to be, like games matter. You almost had
to win almost all the game. Maybe you have a
loss or something, you know what I mean. And as
soon as you lost, it was like, well, I don't
know if we can really get there now or be
number you got to start. At least we can win
and play, you know, a good team in the Rose
Bowl and maybe.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Exactly and that and that's what it used to be,
and that's not what they want to like. So what
it's don what they got three losses, They're still better
than any of these other teams that are undefeated or
nobody will show up in this small school nobody cares about,
Like that's what they don't care. Get the big boys
in the room. That's all we want.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
And you're gonna have to with the advent of thel
and transfer portal, I will say some of these other schools.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
I mean, you can change your destiny very quickly.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
You get the right transfer guys, and you get the
right guys throwing them a couple of bucks. You can
change the trajectory of your of your you know, program quickly.
I mean Indiana, I've started last year and then boom,
now here they are.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Guys, if we agree at the SEC and the Big ten,
of the two big dogs in college football, what is
to prevent them, as you guys alluded to, from just
saying we don't need the NC double A. We're gonna
have our own playoffs, nothing, nothing, and where's gonna go
from there?
Speaker 4 (17:34):
You can do it.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Just for additional context for why I'm asking this question.
Before the show, me and Robert talking about the show
and the rundown, how we're gonna map this out, Like, Hey,
what time do the rankings come out? Because it's gonna
determine where we're going to talk about it. And I
screwed up because I looked at nc double A dot
com and on their site it says rankings will be
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released at eight thirty to nine pm Eastern.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
On ESPN.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Guys, it is a thirty right now, and the rank
has been out for an hour right So the NCAA
website doesn't even know how this is working.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Rob g I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
When we just said we're gonna do this, I was
surprised because we had talked earlier. I thought it was
later that we were only gonna be able to do
it as the last or last five and then we
would do a topic, you know, tomorrow. So I was
even surprised. And now again like they don't have any power.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
No, I mean not to mention when you had these
two con real quick, and we want to get trash talking.
When they start poaching, we need to get to they
can poach the the teams. Hey, Oklahoma, Oklahoma's been big ten,
I mean Big twelve, for that's just how you synonymous
you think of them. Come on over here, Oregon. He
don't get no more Pac twelve than that. Hey, come
on all the way over usc you see, come on.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Over here to Big ten like that.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Even geographically it doesn't even make sense, like you're going
across the country. Why don't you start pulling like that?
It's a rap and everybody else is gonna be trying
to get in, and you're gonna have fifty twenty five
twenty five, and that's going to be the powerhouse of
the college. If you're not in that fifty, you can't
be in the real college championship.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
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Speaker 3 (19:33):
Big Story of the Day, The Dallas Mavericks have fired
GM Nico Harrison nine months after that disastrous Luka Doncicz trade,
and now we talked about it. Now we're one like,
how much blame does he deserve? Was he escapegoaded? Now
we're looking forward? So what's next for the Dallas Mavericks.
If you look at their cap sheet, they got two
very highly paid, highly injured stars and Anthony Davis and
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Kyrie Irving. They have what could be or should be
the you know, quote unquote generational prospect in Cooper Flag
and they only control the rights to their own first
round pick this season, and they don't do so again
until twenty thirty one.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
So, guys, in the post Nico era, what's the plan
for the MAVs.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
The plan is everybody can go. I would like to
keep clearly Cooper ain't going nowhere, but I would like
to keep PJ Washington and just that. I just you
gotta have somebody who score ball a little bit.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
He's like that.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
And I would like to keep Lively right, to have
me a nice big who can play a little defense,
change some shots, affect things at the rim, and then obviously,
you know, be a part of that tip dunk, offensive
rebound guy.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Rest of that, everybody can go.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
I don't want to is not optimal, know, you not
have a star like an Ad or Kyrie, but the
fact of it is rance for the rest of their careers.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
I just don't know their availability.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Kyrie Irvan is one of the most special players we've
ever seen, talent wise, complete, just skill wise, often injured.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Stuff's going on. There was the COVID year and it
just stuff.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
So as always, you just don't know the reliability of
Kyrie Iran talent wise. We know if he just was
gonna play eighty eighty games, seventy five games, you knew
what he was gonna get great. Same thing with Anthony
Davis two way player. I know exactly what I'm getting
them both ends of the floor when he's healthy, when
he's rolling. But I don't have a creator right now.
I don't have guys who can get the ball. I
don't have guys who can make it easier for other people.
(21:20):
D'Angel l Russell ain't that and it never has been that.
That's just not his skill set. His skill set is
coming really more of a come off the bench and
get you a bucket kind of guy. So to me,
I'm willing to start over, new general manager coming in.
You got your new rookie and Cooper Flag who needs
to get things going and let him just have this
year to figure it out. Figure it out, get shot up,
(21:41):
play defense, figure out the pacing of the NBA, figure
out the competitiveness of the NBA, the physicality of the NBA.
Figure it all out. We're gonna keep a couple of
pieces around and then that moving. I'm filing calls how
much you want? Who wants what for? Anthony Davis? Kyrie
will be back end of the year, early next year.
Who wants what for? Kyrie?
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Who wants the person?
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Because Klay Thompson's watched eighty is often injured, Kyrie is
often injured, and Cooper Flag is finding his way.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
So to me, I'm open for business.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
To me, you just have to be I'm hear in
a hard reset building around Cooper, building around you know
whoever the new general manager is going to be and
Fielding finding our way, our thing, our identity, because you
can't you can't do anything with the rest of these guys.
To me that I don't like they're constructed and to
what veil, to what avail? The Western Conference is loaded?
(22:31):
What be the ninth seed every year for the next
couple of years.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Totally disagree.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I think that you could have because you have the
young star, you got the first overall pick who's supposed
to be a star. You could try to go along
with what you have, hope these guys can get healthy,
make a run. He becomes the bridge to take you
into that next because you already got your guy. You
don't need to tank to get your guy. You have
(23:00):
your guy already. If you had old guys without Cooper Flag,
then I would agree with you. You already have them.
You're not gonna get better than what you just got.
So you have your guy. So the idea is to
be able to let these guys get healthy. Let's see
what we can do right, Let's see if we can
(23:21):
make a run with this, and if not, then as
you get rid of pieces and move forward, then you
could start to compliment him. And then you have a
bridge between us being viable with a young superstar and
the making star whatever you want to call him. Plus,
you have a guy who's won a couple guys who
have won NBA championship, so write maybe some of that
(23:43):
rubs off on him on how to win. He's around
those kind of guys, putting him around a bunch of
young guys trying to all grow together. It could work
once in a while, but it didn't work often. So
I'm just saying, when you have a guy already and
you luck out and have that, and yet I just
think about it like Tim Duncan.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
When Tim Duncan was able to go there with David Robinson, right,
so that was unfortunate, Like they weren't as bad as
getting that number one.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
No, but he was heard and they did. But I'm
just saying, you wind up being able to have both.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Tim Duncan was obviously your future, but you had David
Robinson and you didn't go, Okay, we got Tim Duncan.
Now let's get run.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
I won up your example with your own example when
you were them, and then you start to get Tony
Parker becomes a guy, and then you go get a Kawhi.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
The difference is to me a couple of things.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
One, you just can't have guys they're talking about that
are always injured, like Anthony Davis, and it's only gonna
get worse.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
He's getting older.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
It's not like you got him at twenty three and
you say, well, we don't know, no, we know, and
it's only going to get worse, Kyrie Irvan, It's only
going to get worse. And so the reason why when
you start to look at the teams that have had
success over the last ten years or so, it's guys
who grew together. It's drafting Steph drafting, Clay drafting Draymond drafting,
(25:03):
Harrison Barnes, and then you running around obviously Harrison bars believe.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
You the Toronto Winnings Championship, they had a core, got
group of guys with that, but they couldn't win with
that Cord.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
That Lebron wasn't there and they might have won, but
that but that Cord. Lebronto was hating.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
That that court didn't win, all right, and so did
what you called you talk about. Okay, Philadelphia did that.
They had all these high draft picks, they put them
all together. Trust the process that they went. They couldn't
even get to the conference. They couldn't even get there.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
And then I go back to the Celtics again, you
had your corp. They had a run, they got to
a couple of finals, they won one, and and you
just to me, I'm looking at now, let's not even
talk about Oklahoma City Thunder. As far as it's got
some core, you got a good you got a great
young trade. I can't believe the Clippers gave up SGA.
And so my point is, just find your things, make
a couple of trades, get some young pieces, and build
(25:51):
so you can build towards your future and then utilize,
you know, the next ten twelve years that you got
Cooper Flag whatever it will be, and maximum, pair him
up with some guys that he can grow with, bill
with and fight with, go through the get their lumps
and bruises, as the Splash Brothers and Draymond did, and
the Celtics did. You gotta go through some things in
(26:12):
the NBA. We all know that. So get some Cooper Flag.
Pair them up with a couple of young, good guys.
One can be a little older, the twenty five to
twenty sixers. You definitely need somebody in their prime. And
then let's go through some things. Let's go lose a
couple of times in the playoffs, in the Western Counas
finals and get to a final.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
To me, that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
I'm not hoping that guys who are always injured don't
get injured. That's what I'm not in the business.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Of doing
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