January 1, 2020 • 27 mins
It's The Best of The Odd Couple with Chris Broussard and Rob Parker! FOX Sports personality Telly Hughes is in for Chris, and he and Rob explain why Michigan's blowout loss to Alabama today was further proof that Jim Harbaugh is the most overrated coach of all-time, discuss the legacy of the now-deceased former NBA commissioner David Stern, and tell us why you can't believe the NFL when it says the New England Patriots football staff had no involvement in Spygate 2.
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You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple with
Chris Brusso and Rod Harker. But speaking of jokes, nice
transition for you. Thank you. Michigan exposed again playing against
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Alabama and the Citrus Bowl, and I know a lot
of Michigan people now saying nobody thought they weren't gonna win.
I don't know why you're making a big deal out
of everybody knew they were gonna lose. Alabama's playing second
and third string players, I mean, and they still can't
can't win, Like miss this is the Jim Harball thing
that it bothers me. You know what it bothers me, Telly,
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because they pay him like he's done something, do you
know what I mean? They pay him like he is
the Cat's meal of college football. And my god, you
got a Jim Harbor. Can I give you some numbers.
So they lost thirty five to six team to Alabama.
Alabama finally not in the final four, right, not in
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the playoff. So they're playing Michigan. Yeah, before you start, though,
you said Michigan once again exposed. Did you really find
out something today that you didn't already know about Michigan? No? No.
I guess when I say exposed, is when are they
going to be the good team? Yeah? And that that
that I guess is my issue. Is it's okay to
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upset somebody Telly once in a while, Is it okay?
It's okay? But I know, for God's say to yeah,
back up everything you're saying what I'm saying, Like Jim
Harbor is like the third or fourth highest paid college coach,
and here's his numbers all in five versus Ohio State.
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That's your rival. That's not good, Okay, that ain't don't
even get a chance to see five games against Ohio State.
If they've lost the first four, there you go one
and ten as an underdog. They were an underdog against Alabama, Right,
So that means that you never upset. You never come
and out scheme somebody out, figure somebody out and beat
them where people go, Wow, I didn't see that coming.
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Jim Harball. What changes he made? He what a game plan? Well,
at least they're consistent. They are consistently bad. Yeah, four
and nine against their rival team, okay, and four and
nine against rovals. That means Ohio State at Michigan State.
That's not good. There. Those are their arrival. That's not good.
I guess is Notre Dame included in here? Notre Dame
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might be in here as well. And they're one and
four in bowl games. You ready, they've lost their last
four fourth straight, which is tied with Lloyd Carr for
the second most in Michigan history and one shy of
the school record of five consecutive bowl losses by Bochem Beckler.
You know they love Bochem Beckler, who never won a
national championship at Michigan. They have a statue for him.
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But here's my thing. Jim Harbaugh didn't come to Michigan
for this. Didn't they go and get him and pay
all this money brought him back from the NFL. I
know he played there. That's your school, right, He's a
Michigan man. This is not what they signed up for.
That's all I'm saying, how many losses and how many
time you're gonna get your head handed to you against
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the good schools? Before people go if this was Brady Hokey,
because I was, you know, I was getting mixed up
because they used to call him on the radio in
Detroit Brady joke It was so bad, right, But if
this was Brady hoke do you think they would accept this?
He would be run out of ann Arbor. Absolutely, he
was Like you said, he wouldn't have got to five
loss He wouldn't have And I think, like, I mean,
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you hate to say it, but it's it's the truth.
Like Jim Harbaugh is the Jason Garrett of college football. Wow,
I mean, you get to keep your job even though
and you get paid well even though you're not winning
anything and you can't even beat your rivals. Like I mean,
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for people that don't know how it works. In the
state of Michigan, the Wolverines can lose every other game
on their schedule, but if they beat Ohio State, it's
all good. It's a successful seasons, no doubt about it.
And when you have a game that with that much
importance and value placed on it and you can't get
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it done. How about I've street years and how about
this shar They finally got to Urban maya monkey off
their back Ryan days, first General Ohio State. They go
to the big house and they steamroll absolutely. And all
these years the hall bar has been there. You can't
say he hasn't had the talent. And I mean he
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comes in now in terms of all the other things
he's been able to do for a Michigan's football program.
I mean, yes, that's why you keep him there. But
I don't think you pay him that much money to
bring just for the recognition. That's that's my issue. Posure'
that's my issue is why is he one of the
top paid coaches? Yeah, when he hasn't performed all the
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other guys. When we talk about the top four, guess
what they all have in common. They all wanted that's
a championship. Absolutely, That's why you should get paid paid
for your production. So you know, I call I always
say Tom Brady's not the goat. Tom Brady's the loat,
the luckies of all time. Then I say Lebron is
the fulfote, the finals failure of all time. Boy. Then
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I say Kevin Durant is the Massault, the most sensitive
of all time. And I got a name. I got
one for Jim Harball. He's the MCCO, m O c
O at the MCCOT, the most overrated coach of all time.
That's what he is, right, Yeah, I mean, seriously, have
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you ever I know he went to the NFL. I
know he had his success, he had success, right, but
but they never won like big? Yeah? Yeah, don't you
have to win big at some point to be validated
at least once. Sometimes you just get that pass because
of the other things. And I mean, you know, he's
smart about it. I mean he's you know, having those
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satellite camps and taking his team to right and all that. Yeah,
and so I mean, yes, he's expanded recruiting, but it
still hasn't made them a major threat when it comes
to winning the Big Ten or being a part of
the college football playoffs. You mean to tell me? With
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that famed history, even though they had only won one
national championship, and that was the mythical one in ninety seven,
they shared that do you remember that's the only championship? Yes,
Bosham Beckler never won. He's a legend at Michigan, never
won a national championship. Back then, winning the Big ten
in the rose ball was the thing. And back then
it was Michigan Ohio State. It was the big two
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in a little late you know, they were the other
schools weren't even that good, and they were just steam
roll and win every year and people were happy. Now
you have this national champion playoff and Michigan can't get
in it. Michigan, Michigan can't. Ohio State's been in it,
Michigan can't get there. Michigan can't get there. And it's
so amazing. I don't even think Michigan has played for
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a Big Ten championship since they have established the Big
Ten championship game, they haven't played for that. And I
just to me, like winning at some point is going
to have to matter, like just the name recognition, Like
people are over his khakis like they don't care anymore,
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and his quirky person like you said, all the other
stuff he does. What since win don't doesn't winning matter?
I just this is one of the issues I have.
And I do win millennials too, because the one that
I just can't get over. As great as Lebron is
for people, the Pooh Pooh Michael Jordan being six and
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oh in the finals and acting like Lebron being three
and nine is okay and it doesn't matter like that. Oh, well,
you can't expect him to win this. You can't expect
him to win that three and six. By the way,
three and six I met, Yeah, and his nine cham
I'm sorry it felt like three and nine three and
six to yes, but do you know what I mean?
Winning doesn't matter, doesn't win? Yes, winning does matter, and
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I you know to I think the question is will
Michigan football ever be the Michigan football of our dads
and granddad's generations? I mean, like, is there a lure
to want to go to ann Arbor anymore? Can he
actually get the guys to come there and want to compete?
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I mean, because they've done everything since he's been there.
They've gotten brand new defensive coordinators, they have revamped everything,
and he's the main state. But he's also the common
denominator with futility, Like they just aren't good and uh,
they'll go beautiful helmet to got a tradition, got a
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big people show up. An Arbor's a great college town.
What what what's you could sell everything? You can sell everything.
What the program. They don't win, they don't win, they
don't win, And why would you go to Michigan. And
if you're good enough to get recruited by Michigan, you
get you're good enough to get recruited by other Big
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ten schools, and you know you can go to Columbus
and there's a good chance you're going to be a
part of the college football playoffs pretty much every season.
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iHeartRadio app. And on this January first, this Worship Wednesday,
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we had sad news. Yeah, we really did, the passing
of former NBA commissioner David Stern, seventy seven years old.
Seventy seven years old. He had a brain hemorrhage suffered
about three weeks ago. We knew it was bad. Yeah,
two weeks ago, when when I'm still in the hospital.
And I mean keep in mind David Stern. I mean,
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I know you may have some objections to this, Rob,
but he was the NBA commissioner during the most successful
period in league. History. He was able to expand this
league from twenty three teams to thirty. He also launched
a w NBA, the G League, and he also oversaw
the draft lottery. He induced that in nineteen eighty five.
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When you think of David Stern, what stands out the most?
What do you think about as his lasting legacy. That's
what I'm curious about, what what jumps out because just
some controversial stuff that he did as well. Yeah, my
last thing impression or what I think David Stern's legacy
will be as is turning a one hundred and sixty
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five million dollar operation into a five point five billion
dollar operation. And the way he was able to globalize
the game. I mean, keep in mind, you know, this
was the first US pro sports league to play regular
season games outside of North America. So he was able
to really globalize the game and make it popular and
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famous and far reaches as Slovenia. I mean, look at
Luca Dantage and guys like that. I mean before David
Stern came along, that probably wasn't an option. I mean
we talked about it before we hit the air, Like
the NBA Finals were still being tape leaded in nineteen
eighty three. So I mean to take it from where
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it was and expand it to where it is now.
I mean, even just the foreign born influence that's in
the NBA now, that was not the case in nineteen
eighty four. I mean you had a Chemola, Juan and
a couple of few other guys that you know were
foreign born players. But I mean you look at the
league now and it's probably over one hundred and fifty
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foreign born players now. So I mean, and you look
at the TV contracts and you look at players contracts,
I mean, you know, the average was three hundred and
thirty thousand dollars back in nineteen eighty six, and a granted,
you know in time, you know inflation and everything, but
now the average salary is seven point seven million dollars.
So I mean you have an opportunity. Well, he presented
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an opportunity to have guys, you know, make enough money
to set themselves up and their families up for a
long time. And I think he had a big part
in that. Yeah. I mean, I guess my biggest issue
and pushback on the stern and he was a very
good commissioner in the league did flourish there's no doubt
about that. But I think what happens too often, Telly,
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is we get when people passed, we like, uh start
to like go over the top and looking at their
accomplishments and what they did. David Stern did a great job,
but he had a lot of stuff that worked in
his favor as well. When when he was commissioner, right,
he was very fortunate that Larry Bird, a star white player,
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wound up going to Boston, and Magic Johnson, a absolute showman,
showed up in LA and Showtime was born. Was he
the commissioner or no, no, no, but he obviously I
don't think he was the commissioner. I think it was
Larry O'Brien, But I mean that was during his run
as commissioner. Larry O'Brien I think was because they were
drafted in seventy nine. I think Larry Larry uh and
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uh David sterns took over in eighty three, wasn't it correct? Yeah? Yeah,
So so he had those two guys. He also had
the Michael Jordan era. Michael Jordan was arguably the greatest
player we ever saw, which was during David Stern's era
as well. And but when you look at some of
the hiccups as well. When you look at David Stern.
Probably the one that bothered me the most was the
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was the dress code, which I really thought was out
of bounds. When you talked about it, kind of made
like the clothes that black people wore, like it was
something wrong with them, like you can't wear that. And
and I think it was in the idea of making
us feel like like we had done something wrong because
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this is the style. Our style was out of style
for the NBA, and people tried to dress it up
and talked about, well, you know, you're a millionaire, he's
supposed to wear a suit and tie in a jacket
and all that. And that wasn't the case for all
the other leagues, especially when you talk about traveling and
you're not in the public. I started covering the NBA
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in nineteen eighty seven. I've talked about this all the time.
I used to fly commercial on the planes when the
team used to walk through the airport as a group, Uh, Telly,
and we're in the mix with regular people, and they
did dress up on travel days. I didn't have an
issue with that when you traveled in public, but now
you moved to to even sit on the bench, you
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had to wear like a sports car or something. And
then and then at the end of the night, instead
of being in comfortable sweats to fly to the West Coast,
they want you to put on a suit in a
tie and nobody sees you. You get on the bus
at the arena. You notice you travel with the NBA
for years with the Bucks, right, and you would get
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nobody saw you. You would get on the bus at
the arena, you wouldn't go through custom you wouldn't go
through the scanners or whatever you did it at the thing,
got on a bus, went straight the bus pool up
to the airplane, all that, and then you get off. Yeah,
and you get off and you're in the hotel at
two or three o'clock in the morning. You do not
see anybody in public. Yeah, but see, I think if
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it could have been revised in a way that probably
made more sense, Like would you had a problem with
the dress code only being enforced during the playoffs when
players are required to go to the podium and everyone
around the world is going to see this now, I
mean if but that's what it wasn't it was? It
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was that would have made it better, but I think
but it was all of a sudden, the NBA was
selling all the throwback jerseys. Alan Iverson had the corn rolls.
This was a pushback. He would go sit when he
wasn't playing, have on the gold chain, sitting on the bench,
and all of a sudden that was a turnoff to fans.
Some fan, yeah, and that was an overreaction by Stern.
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I thought, yeah, yeah, and I would I agree it
wasn't overreaction. But I think in the course of thirty
years as a commission, you're gonna have some hiccups. I mean,
I know one that stands out for me is when
he blocked the Chris Paul Tree to the Lakers. I mean,
I know at the time New Orleans was being owned
and ran the NBA, but I mean, how in the
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world can you block that trade, But you can allow
Kwame Brown to get traded for power gasol from the
Lakers to Memphis, Like I mean, so you can't just
approve trades that you think are going to help bring parody.
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You have to approve trades between teams that actually negotiated it. Well, yeah,
it was just weird because they owned the team, they
didn't have an owner, and I think, and I know
people push back and said, you can't give up the
best asset you're trying to sell a team. It was
really weird, you know what I mean? I get it. Yeah.
But also he changed the basketball. Do you remember that
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tobacco without talking to the player. Yeah, and then they
had to go back to more synthetic ball. Even Jim
Duncan complained, do you remember, yes, Like like Tim Duncan
who didn't say anything, Steve Nash, they were all like this,
Paul is awful. How could you as a commissioner change
the basketball without consulting the players. The WNBA you could
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talk about. This was David Stern's baby. Has the WNBA
been a success or failure? I think yeah. I think
the original vision of it isn't how it has turned out.
And it has been a league that has struggled for
twenty five years now. I mean, like they've really never
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gotten a hold of Like, like I always say, there
are more women in men in this country. Right If
women went to those games, you would have a flourishing league. Instead,
it just hasn't been that. Where I was in Detroit,
the shock we're winning w NBA Championships and they had
to give away tickets. Nobody would buy tickets. Yeah, that's
why the shock there. But I also wonder too, like
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why is it that these these female athletes have to
go overseas to make money because they won't pay him? Yeah?
Like and that to me, it's like, Okay, if you
want them here and you want to put the best
product on on the floor each and every night, then
you have to pay them. But it's tough to pay
them when no one's come into the game. So I agree.
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And here's the other part. You know, when they talk
about him marketing the games, and it was about the players.
You gotta have the players to market. And this is
the narrative that I'm not buying into that he was
the one who who elevated the NBA. You know who
elevated the NBA when it was in his dull drums,
Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordans. You gotta have players
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to market. It ain't just a marketing scheme, and and
and and you're gonna say that David Stern was the
one who elevated the league. The players. Michael Jordan's arguably
to the greatest guy we ever saw a show up right, Yea,
how hard is it to market him? Yeah, let's not
make That's all I'm saying is I think we get
too caught up when people pass and we start like
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we want to say he's the greatest commission of all time,
like like this is a narrative, really, but he should
also get credit for some of the things that he
helped launch, no doubt about it. I mean, I'm not saying.
You know, the TV deals and like I said, you
know this, you know the finals used to be on
tape delay, and then you know, in nineteen eighty four
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it was a two year, twenty million dollar broadcast deal
with TBS, and then later on in twenty fourteen, the
NBA signed a deal with Turner and ESPN for nine
years twenty four billion dollars. Yeah, but but I would
my pushback on this is all the league started. Television
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became a big partner in pro sports, right, and everybody
got big deals. Everybody got money. This isn't like I
don't the NHL guys, wen baby, But I'm talking about
if you look at the baseball money and if you
look at the NFL money, That's what I'm trying to
tell you yeah, and so I mean, but you know,
I do believe like you said, yes, he's had some hiccups,
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but uh, in my opinion, he did more good and bad.
So you think most people will look at David Stern
favorably and think that he was the best NBA was
either best NBA commissioner or people just don't know anybody,
or could Adam Silver overtake that considering where he started
already and where the league is going. Yeah, I mean,
I believe that you're gonna have the guys that played
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in that era that appreciated what he was able to
do for them to come out and talk about how
great of a commissioner he was. But uh, Adam, Adam Silver,
He's off to a great start. And something that kind
of just fell in his lap in the first months
of his, you know, tenure as commissioner was the whole
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Donald Ster thing and the way how swiftly he moved
and the Lifetime band and everything like. He got mad
props from that from a lot of the guys that
are playing right now. And like you said, we all
get caught up in the now. And I'll give you
another one thing about this during it Stern's tenure as well.
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Kobe was involved with that rape case and continued to
play and wasn't penalized at all during it. That would
never happen during the day, playing right and flying the team,
playing all that other stuff that went on going back
and forth to Colorado. Absolutely that one tenure. Yeah, malice
in the palace, that happened. That happened. Um, you know,
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there were there were a couple of other things that
you know that kind of gave him a black eye.
And but I think once again, they look at all
the good he was able to do and say, Okay,
you know some of these things aren't under his control,
and it's like, how do you react after that? And
like you said, he really didn't do a whole lot
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after these things happened, not like Adam Silver did. And
that's why Adam Silver has an opportunity and don't just
surpass him in terms of being one of the best commissioners.
But age don't forget David H. Donald Sterling's rain in
the NBA was during David Sterns rain, you know what
I mean, Like, this guy was there for a long time.
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He did a lot of bad stuff. He was the
NBA knew what was going on as far as his
renting lawsuits and people saying that he wouldn't rent to
black and Hispanic people that was going on. It was
not like like a secret, so but nothing was ever done. So,
I mean I'm curious today. Obviously was respect the man
David Stern, what he did, he did good and bad.
But really, this is what we're trying to get at.
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to listen. So the Washington Post Rob g tweeted out,
is that what it was a full article about that
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the league NFL did not find that the Patriots football
operations were involved in the whole Spygate two that took
place in Cincinnati. Telling you buying that absolutely not. I mean,
these NFL investigations are a joke. I mean, because where
are we with the Robert Craft investigation. We haven't heard
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anything about that. Where are we with the Antonio Brown investigation? Yeah,
that's funny, right almost I don't know anything about that.
So why would they put a expedite this, you know,
this investigation with the Patriots. But I mean, I know
you have a really a big problem with these investigations
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with the NFL, But I just want to also take
a moment to let's look at the Patriots with the situation,
like I mean, for them to say at this point
they haven't found anything. I mean, hello, did you see
the video? You had a camera reporting exclusively to the
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banker's sideline, right for what are you looking for? You're
trying to figure out what kind of cleats they're wearing. Like,
come on, this is the thing that doesn't make sense.
None of that would factor in or be used for
the feature they said they were using about a scout,
So why why in the world And to believe that
Bill Belichick doesn't know, you know, they're gonna sign off
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front a credential, they sending out a crew that they
don't know anything that's going on. And shame on the NFL.
The last time they got busted with Spygate, right, the
original one camera people were told if they got busted
a cart that they were supposed to say that the
footage was going to be used for a TV show,
But that was the excuse, and that's the same bas
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ECUs that they thought they could use again. And I mean,
that's like that. It's so crazy to say, hey, we
didn't know anything about this camera crew being in Cincinnati,
So that means Rob, you and I can go and
get us a Patriots hat or pull over and just
show up at lambeau Field and bring our own camp
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quarter and be like, hey, we're with the Patriots, like
we're doing this documentary. We're independent contractors, like come on, man.
And then most importantly, why it's the same organization being
accused of the same crimes and it keeps happening and
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nobody else for whatever reason, I ask NFL guys, tell
me another franchise that's gotten busted on it. None. None,
I can't. I've looked. If somebody else knows of another
team that has violated this, especially the league said that
you couldn't do it, Please tell me, because I'm looking
for it. It's always the Patriots. It's always the Patriots.
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And they know that the only thing that's going to
happen is a couple of draft picks, and you know,
they'll get fined or whatever and they'll move on. But
they mean, name the last rookie the Patriots have had
that has come in and just you know and had
a crazy season anyway, So they don't value those picks
like other organizations do. I mean, Sony Michelle was a good,
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you know guy or whatever when he came in his
rookie year out of Georgia. But you know, I mean,
it's hit or miss.
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You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple with
Chris Brusso and Rod Harker. But speaking of jokes, nice
transition for you. Thank you. Michigan exposed again playing against
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Alabama and the Citrus Bowl, and I know a lot
of Michigan people now saying nobody thought they weren't gonna win.
I don't know why you're making a big deal out
of everybody knew they were gonna lose. Alabama's playing second
and third string players, I mean, and they still can't
can't win, Like miss this is the Jim Harball thing
that it bothers me. You know what it bothers me, Telly,
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because they pay him like he's done something, do you
know what I mean? They pay him like he is
the Cat's meal of college football. And my god, you
got a Jim Harbor. Can I give you some numbers.
So they lost thirty five to six team to Alabama.
Alabama finally not in the final four, right, not in
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the playoff. So they're playing Michigan. Yeah, before you start, though,
you said Michigan once again exposed. Did you really find
out something today that you didn't already know about Michigan? No? No.
I guess when I say exposed, is when are they
going to be the good team? Yeah? And that that
that I guess is my issue. Is it's okay to
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upset somebody Telly once in a while, Is it okay?
It's okay? But I know, for God's say to yeah,
back up everything you're saying what I'm saying, Like Jim
Harbor is like the third or fourth highest paid college coach,
and here's his numbers all in five versus Ohio State.
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That's your rival. That's not good, Okay, that ain't don't
even get a chance to see five games against Ohio State.
If they've lost the first four, there you go one
and ten as an underdog. They were an underdog against Alabama, Right,
So that means that you never upset. You never come
and out scheme somebody out, figure somebody out and beat
them where people go, Wow, I didn't see that coming.
(02:32):
Jim Harball. What changes he made? He what a game plan? Well,
at least they're consistent. They are consistently bad. Yeah, four
and nine against their rival team, okay, and four and
nine against rovals. That means Ohio State at Michigan State.
That's not good. There. Those are their arrival. That's not good.
I guess is Notre Dame included in here? Notre Dame
(02:55):
might be in here as well. And they're one and
four in bowl games. You ready, they've lost their last
four fourth straight, which is tied with Lloyd Carr for
the second most in Michigan history and one shy of
the school record of five consecutive bowl losses by Bochem Beckler.
You know they love Bochem Beckler, who never won a
national championship at Michigan. They have a statue for him.
(03:17):
But here's my thing. Jim Harbaugh didn't come to Michigan
for this. Didn't they go and get him and pay
all this money brought him back from the NFL. I
know he played there. That's your school, right, He's a
Michigan man. This is not what they signed up for.
That's all I'm saying, how many losses and how many
time you're gonna get your head handed to you against
(03:40):
the good schools? Before people go if this was Brady Hokey,
because I was, you know, I was getting mixed up
because they used to call him on the radio in
Detroit Brady joke It was so bad, right, But if
this was Brady hoke do you think they would accept this?
He would be run out of ann Arbor. Absolutely, he
was Like you said, he wouldn't have got to five
loss He wouldn't have And I think, like, I mean,
(04:04):
you hate to say it, but it's it's the truth.
Like Jim Harbaugh is the Jason Garrett of college football. Wow,
I mean, you get to keep your job even though
and you get paid well even though you're not winning
anything and you can't even beat your rivals. Like I mean,
(04:28):
for people that don't know how it works. In the
state of Michigan, the Wolverines can lose every other game
on their schedule, but if they beat Ohio State, it's
all good. It's a successful seasons, no doubt about it.
And when you have a game that with that much
importance and value placed on it and you can't get
(04:49):
it done. How about I've street years and how about
this shar They finally got to Urban maya monkey off
their back Ryan days, first General Ohio State. They go
to the big house and they steamroll absolutely. And all
these years the hall bar has been there. You can't
say he hasn't had the talent. And I mean he
(05:11):
comes in now in terms of all the other things
he's been able to do for a Michigan's football program.
I mean, yes, that's why you keep him there. But
I don't think you pay him that much money to
bring just for the recognition. That's that's my issue. Posure'
that's my issue is why is he one of the
top paid coaches? Yeah, when he hasn't performed all the
(05:32):
other guys. When we talk about the top four, guess
what they all have in common. They all wanted that's
a championship. Absolutely, That's why you should get paid paid
for your production. So you know, I call I always
say Tom Brady's not the goat. Tom Brady's the loat,
the luckies of all time. Then I say Lebron is
the fulfote, the finals failure of all time. Boy. Then
(05:54):
I say Kevin Durant is the Massault, the most sensitive
of all time. And I got a name. I got
one for Jim Harball. He's the MCCO, m O c
O at the MCCOT, the most overrated coach of all time.
That's what he is, right, Yeah, I mean, seriously, have
(06:20):
you ever I know he went to the NFL. I
know he had his success, he had success, right, but
but they never won like big? Yeah? Yeah, don't you
have to win big at some point to be validated
at least once. Sometimes you just get that pass because
of the other things. And I mean, you know, he's
smart about it. I mean he's you know, having those
(06:42):
satellite camps and taking his team to right and all that. Yeah,
and so I mean, yes, he's expanded recruiting, but it
still hasn't made them a major threat when it comes
to winning the Big Ten or being a part of
the college football playoffs. You mean to tell me? With
(07:04):
that famed history, even though they had only won one
national championship, and that was the mythical one in ninety seven,
they shared that do you remember that's the only championship? Yes,
Bosham Beckler never won. He's a legend at Michigan, never
won a national championship. Back then, winning the Big ten
in the rose ball was the thing. And back then
it was Michigan Ohio State. It was the big two
(07:26):
in a little late you know, they were the other
schools weren't even that good, and they were just steam
roll and win every year and people were happy. Now
you have this national champion playoff and Michigan can't get
in it. Michigan, Michigan can't. Ohio State's been in it,
Michigan can't get there. Michigan can't get there. And it's
so amazing. I don't even think Michigan has played for
(07:47):
a Big Ten championship since they have established the Big
Ten championship game, they haven't played for that. And I
just to me, like winning at some point is going
to have to matter, like just the name recognition, Like
people are over his khakis like they don't care anymore,
(08:08):
and his quirky person like you said, all the other
stuff he does. What since win don't doesn't winning matter?
I just this is one of the issues I have.
And I do win millennials too, because the one that
I just can't get over. As great as Lebron is
for people, the Pooh Pooh Michael Jordan being six and
(08:28):
oh in the finals and acting like Lebron being three
and nine is okay and it doesn't matter like that. Oh, well,
you can't expect him to win this. You can't expect
him to win that three and six. By the way,
three and six I met, Yeah, and his nine cham
I'm sorry it felt like three and nine three and
six to yes, but do you know what I mean?
Winning doesn't matter, doesn't win? Yes, winning does matter, and
(08:50):
I you know to I think the question is will
Michigan football ever be the Michigan football of our dads
and granddad's generations? I mean, like, is there a lure
to want to go to ann Arbor anymore? Can he
actually get the guys to come there and want to compete?
(09:12):
I mean, because they've done everything since he's been there.
They've gotten brand new defensive coordinators, they have revamped everything,
and he's the main state. But he's also the common
denominator with futility, Like they just aren't good and uh,
they'll go beautiful helmet to got a tradition, got a
(09:33):
big people show up. An Arbor's a great college town.
What what what's you could sell everything? You can sell everything.
What the program. They don't win, they don't win, they
don't win, And why would you go to Michigan. And
if you're good enough to get recruited by Michigan, you
get you're good enough to get recruited by other Big
(09:53):
ten schools, and you know you can go to Columbus
and there's a good chance you're going to be a
part of the college football playoffs pretty much every season.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple
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(10:14):
we had sad news. Yeah, we really did, the passing
of former NBA commissioner David Stern, seventy seven years old.
Seventy seven years old. He had a brain hemorrhage suffered
about three weeks ago. We knew it was bad. Yeah,
two weeks ago, when when I'm still in the hospital.
And I mean keep in mind David Stern. I mean,
(10:37):
I know you may have some objections to this, Rob,
but he was the NBA commissioner during the most successful
period in league. History. He was able to expand this
league from twenty three teams to thirty. He also launched
a w NBA, the G League, and he also oversaw
the draft lottery. He induced that in nineteen eighty five.
(10:59):
When you think of David Stern, what stands out the most?
What do you think about as his lasting legacy. That's
what I'm curious about, what what jumps out because just
some controversial stuff that he did as well. Yeah, my
last thing impression or what I think David Stern's legacy
will be as is turning a one hundred and sixty
(11:21):
five million dollar operation into a five point five billion
dollar operation. And the way he was able to globalize
the game. I mean, keep in mind, you know, this
was the first US pro sports league to play regular
season games outside of North America. So he was able
to really globalize the game and make it popular and
(11:45):
famous and far reaches as Slovenia. I mean, look at
Luca Dantage and guys like that. I mean before David
Stern came along, that probably wasn't an option. I mean
we talked about it before we hit the air, Like
the NBA Finals were still being tape leaded in nineteen
eighty three. So I mean to take it from where
(12:06):
it was and expand it to where it is now.
I mean, even just the foreign born influence that's in
the NBA now, that was not the case in nineteen
eighty four. I mean you had a Chemola, Juan and
a couple of few other guys that you know were
foreign born players. But I mean you look at the
league now and it's probably over one hundred and fifty
(12:29):
foreign born players now. So I mean, and you look
at the TV contracts and you look at players contracts,
I mean, you know, the average was three hundred and
thirty thousand dollars back in nineteen eighty six, and a granted,
you know in time, you know inflation and everything, but
now the average salary is seven point seven million dollars.
So I mean you have an opportunity. Well, he presented
(12:53):
an opportunity to have guys, you know, make enough money
to set themselves up and their families up for a
long time. And I think he had a big part
in that. Yeah. I mean, I guess my biggest issue
and pushback on the stern and he was a very
good commissioner in the league did flourish there's no doubt
about that. But I think what happens too often, Telly,
(13:16):
is we get when people passed, we like, uh start
to like go over the top and looking at their
accomplishments and what they did. David Stern did a great job,
but he had a lot of stuff that worked in
his favor as well. When when he was commissioner, right,
he was very fortunate that Larry Bird, a star white player,
(13:39):
wound up going to Boston, and Magic Johnson, a absolute showman,
showed up in LA and Showtime was born. Was he
the commissioner or no, no, no, but he obviously I
don't think he was the commissioner. I think it was
Larry O'Brien, But I mean that was during his run
as commissioner. Larry O'Brien I think was because they were
drafted in seventy nine. I think Larry Larry uh and
(14:02):
uh David sterns took over in eighty three, wasn't it correct? Yeah? Yeah,
So so he had those two guys. He also had
the Michael Jordan era. Michael Jordan was arguably the greatest
player we ever saw, which was during David Stern's era
as well. And but when you look at some of
the hiccups as well. When you look at David Stern.
Probably the one that bothered me the most was the
(14:24):
was the dress code, which I really thought was out
of bounds. When you talked about it, kind of made
like the clothes that black people wore, like it was
something wrong with them, like you can't wear that. And
and I think it was in the idea of making
us feel like like we had done something wrong because
(14:46):
this is the style. Our style was out of style
for the NBA, and people tried to dress it up
and talked about, well, you know, you're a millionaire, he's
supposed to wear a suit and tie in a jacket
and all that. And that wasn't the case for all
the other leagues, especially when you talk about traveling and
you're not in the public. I started covering the NBA
(15:07):
in nineteen eighty seven. I've talked about this all the time.
I used to fly commercial on the planes when the
team used to walk through the airport as a group, Uh, Telly,
and we're in the mix with regular people, and they
did dress up on travel days. I didn't have an
issue with that when you traveled in public, but now
you moved to to even sit on the bench, you
(15:30):
had to wear like a sports car or something. And
then and then at the end of the night, instead
of being in comfortable sweats to fly to the West Coast,
they want you to put on a suit in a
tie and nobody sees you. You get on the bus
at the arena. You notice you travel with the NBA
for years with the Bucks, right, and you would get
(15:50):
nobody saw you. You would get on the bus at
the arena, you wouldn't go through custom you wouldn't go
through the scanners or whatever you did it at the thing,
got on a bus, went straight the bus pool up
to the airplane, all that, and then you get off. Yeah,
and you get off and you're in the hotel at
two or three o'clock in the morning. You do not
see anybody in public. Yeah, but see, I think if
(16:11):
it could have been revised in a way that probably
made more sense, Like would you had a problem with
the dress code only being enforced during the playoffs when
players are required to go to the podium and everyone
around the world is going to see this now, I
mean if but that's what it wasn't it was? It
(16:31):
was that would have made it better, but I think
but it was all of a sudden, the NBA was
selling all the throwback jerseys. Alan Iverson had the corn rolls.
This was a pushback. He would go sit when he
wasn't playing, have on the gold chain, sitting on the bench,
and all of a sudden that was a turnoff to fans.
Some fan, yeah, and that was an overreaction by Stern.
(16:53):
I thought, yeah, yeah, and I would I agree it
wasn't overreaction. But I think in the course of thirty
years as a commission, you're gonna have some hiccups. I mean,
I know one that stands out for me is when
he blocked the Chris Paul Tree to the Lakers. I mean,
I know at the time New Orleans was being owned
and ran the NBA, but I mean, how in the
(17:17):
world can you block that trade, But you can allow
Kwame Brown to get traded for power gasol from the
Lakers to Memphis, Like I mean, so you can't just
approve trades that you think are going to help bring parody.
(17:38):
You have to approve trades between teams that actually negotiated it. Well, yeah,
it was just weird because they owned the team, they
didn't have an owner, and I think, and I know
people push back and said, you can't give up the
best asset you're trying to sell a team. It was
really weird, you know what I mean? I get it. Yeah.
But also he changed the basketball. Do you remember that
(17:58):
tobacco without talking to the player. Yeah, and then they
had to go back to more synthetic ball. Even Jim
Duncan complained, do you remember, yes, Like like Tim Duncan
who didn't say anything, Steve Nash, they were all like this,
Paul is awful. How could you as a commissioner change
the basketball without consulting the players. The WNBA you could
(18:19):
talk about. This was David Stern's baby. Has the WNBA
been a success or failure? I think yeah. I think
the original vision of it isn't how it has turned out.
And it has been a league that has struggled for
twenty five years now. I mean, like they've really never
(18:40):
gotten a hold of Like, like I always say, there
are more women in men in this country. Right If
women went to those games, you would have a flourishing league. Instead,
it just hasn't been that. Where I was in Detroit,
the shock we're winning w NBA Championships and they had
to give away tickets. Nobody would buy tickets. Yeah, that's
why the shock there. But I also wonder too, like
(19:02):
why is it that these these female athletes have to
go overseas to make money because they won't pay him? Yeah?
Like and that to me, it's like, Okay, if you
want them here and you want to put the best
product on on the floor each and every night, then
you have to pay them. But it's tough to pay
them when no one's come into the game. So I agree.
(19:24):
And here's the other part. You know, when they talk
about him marketing the games, and it was about the players.
You gotta have the players to market. And this is
the narrative that I'm not buying into that he was
the one who who elevated the NBA. You know who
elevated the NBA when it was in his dull drums,
Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordans. You gotta have players
(19:49):
to market. It ain't just a marketing scheme, and and
and and you're gonna say that David Stern was the
one who elevated the league. The players. Michael Jordan's arguably
to the greatest guy we ever saw a show up right, Yea,
how hard is it to market him? Yeah, let's not
make That's all I'm saying is I think we get
too caught up when people pass and we start like
(20:11):
we want to say he's the greatest commission of all time,
like like this is a narrative, really, but he should
also get credit for some of the things that he
helped launch, no doubt about it. I mean, I'm not saying.
You know, the TV deals and like I said, you
know this, you know the finals used to be on
tape delay, and then you know, in nineteen eighty four
(20:32):
it was a two year, twenty million dollar broadcast deal
with TBS, and then later on in twenty fourteen, the
NBA signed a deal with Turner and ESPN for nine
years twenty four billion dollars. Yeah, but but I would
my pushback on this is all the league started. Television
(20:53):
became a big partner in pro sports, right, and everybody
got big deals. Everybody got money. This isn't like I
don't the NHL guys, wen baby, But I'm talking about
if you look at the baseball money and if you
look at the NFL money, That's what I'm trying to
tell you yeah, and so I mean, but you know,
I do believe like you said, yes, he's had some hiccups,
(21:15):
but uh, in my opinion, he did more good and bad.
So you think most people will look at David Stern
favorably and think that he was the best NBA was
either best NBA commissioner or people just don't know anybody,
or could Adam Silver overtake that considering where he started
already and where the league is going. Yeah, I mean,
I believe that you're gonna have the guys that played
(21:38):
in that era that appreciated what he was able to
do for them to come out and talk about how
great of a commissioner he was. But uh, Adam, Adam Silver,
He's off to a great start. And something that kind
of just fell in his lap in the first months
of his, you know, tenure as commissioner was the whole
(21:59):
Donald Ster thing and the way how swiftly he moved
and the Lifetime band and everything like. He got mad
props from that from a lot of the guys that
are playing right now. And like you said, we all
get caught up in the now. And I'll give you
another one thing about this during it Stern's tenure as well.
(22:20):
Kobe was involved with that rape case and continued to
play and wasn't penalized at all during it. That would
never happen during the day, playing right and flying the team,
playing all that other stuff that went on going back
and forth to Colorado. Absolutely that one tenure. Yeah, malice
in the palace, that happened. That happened. Um, you know,
(22:42):
there were there were a couple of other things that
you know that kind of gave him a black eye.
And but I think once again, they look at all
the good he was able to do and say, Okay,
you know some of these things aren't under his control,
and it's like, how do you react after that? And
like you said, he really didn't do a whole lot
(23:02):
after these things happened, not like Adam Silver did. And
that's why Adam Silver has an opportunity and don't just
surpass him in terms of being one of the best commissioners.
But age don't forget David H. Donald Sterling's rain in
the NBA was during David Sterns rain, you know what
I mean, Like, this guy was there for a long time.
(23:23):
He did a lot of bad stuff. He was the
NBA knew what was going on as far as his
renting lawsuits and people saying that he wouldn't rent to
black and Hispanic people that was going on. It was
not like like a secret, so but nothing was ever done. So,
I mean I'm curious today. Obviously was respect the man
David Stern, what he did, he did good and bad.
But really, this is what we're trying to get at.
(23:45):
What is David Stern's legacy? In your opinion, Fox Sports
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to listen. So the Washington Post Rob g tweeted out,
is that what it was a full article about that
(24:07):
the league NFL did not find that the Patriots football
operations were involved in the whole Spygate two that took
place in Cincinnati. Telling you buying that absolutely not. I mean,
these NFL investigations are a joke. I mean, because where
are we with the Robert Craft investigation. We haven't heard
(24:29):
anything about that. Where are we with the Antonio Brown investigation? Yeah,
that's funny, right almost I don't know anything about that.
So why would they put a expedite this, you know,
this investigation with the Patriots. But I mean, I know
you have a really a big problem with these investigations
(24:54):
with the NFL, But I just want to also take
a moment to let's look at the Patriots with the situation,
like I mean, for them to say at this point
they haven't found anything. I mean, hello, did you see
the video? You had a camera reporting exclusively to the
(25:16):
banker's sideline, right for what are you looking for? You're
trying to figure out what kind of cleats they're wearing. Like,
come on, this is the thing that doesn't make sense.
None of that would factor in or be used for
the feature they said they were using about a scout,
So why why in the world And to believe that
Bill Belichick doesn't know, you know, they're gonna sign off
(25:38):
front a credential, they sending out a crew that they
don't know anything that's going on. And shame on the NFL.
The last time they got busted with Spygate, right, the
original one camera people were told if they got busted
a cart that they were supposed to say that the
footage was going to be used for a TV show,
But that was the excuse, and that's the same bas
(26:00):
ECUs that they thought they could use again. And I mean,
that's like that. It's so crazy to say, hey, we
didn't know anything about this camera crew being in Cincinnati,
So that means Rob, you and I can go and
get us a Patriots hat or pull over and just
show up at lambeau Field and bring our own camp
(26:25):
quarter and be like, hey, we're with the Patriots, like
we're doing this documentary. We're independent contractors, like come on, man.
And then most importantly, why it's the same organization being
accused of the same crimes and it keeps happening and
(26:45):
nobody else for whatever reason, I ask NFL guys, tell
me another franchise that's gotten busted on it. None. None,
I can't. I've looked. If somebody else knows of another
team that has violated this, especially the league said that
you couldn't do it, Please tell me, because I'm looking
for it. It's always the Patriots. It's always the Patriots.
(27:07):
And they know that the only thing that's going to
happen is a couple of draft picks, and you know,
they'll get fined or whatever and they'll move on. But
they mean, name the last rookie the Patriots have had
that has come in and just you know and had
a crazy season anyway, So they don't value those picks
like other organizations do. I mean, Sony Michelle was a good,
(27:30):
you know guy or whatever when he came in his
rookie year out of Georgia. But you know, I mean,
it's hit or miss.
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