April 9, 2021 • 33 mins
Chris and Rob explain why women's soccer star Megan Rapinoe should be mad at other women - not necessarily Draymond Green - for the lack of revenue and wage gap in women's professional sports, and discuss if Dick Vitale is wrong when he says the transfer portal is ruining college basketball. Plus, ET Now host Kevin Frazier swings by to discuss what it was like hosting the NBA on TNT, why he's picking the Brooklyn Nets to win the title this year, and much more!
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You're listening to the Best of the Odd Couple with
Chris Brush and Rod Harker. A lot of people in sports,
some may not know what's going on, but certainly a
lot of people have seen the back and forth between
Meghan Rapino, the great soccer player, female soccer player for
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the United States women's team, and Draymond Green in talking
about women's pay. Now, the United States women's national team
sued the United States Soccer Federation in twenty nineteen. I
believe it was because they're not getting equal pay to
the men, and um, you know, they've been making a
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lot of noise about it to stink about it. Um
and Draymond came out a few days and Rob g
correct me if I get into this wrong. Draymond came
out a few actually last month and said, um, or
was it a week ago? Two weeks ago, and he said,
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you know, stop complain, not stop complaining, but you know,
just complaining is not enough. I'm paraphrasing. You gotta come
up with a plan to get more money, because he said,
it all boils down to the revenue. That's what the
owners are all, or the presidents or whoever's running the organization,
they're always gonna say it's based on revenue. So you
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have to come up with a plan to up your revenue.
And what he said was you the NBA always wasn't
always the league it is. They became this league by
telling the story stories and you know, all these great
stories and making their players better known. And that's what
you have to do. Who's telling your stories? That's essentially
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what he was saying. Who's telling the great stories about
Sue Bird and Brittany Grinder and so on and so forth,
and making Rapino came out and was very critical of him. Um,
she said that he showed his whole ass. That's what
she said. She said, you don't know what you're talking about.
You couldn't. You could know, I'm praying phrasing her too.
You could know because you could reach out to any
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of us or any any of these women's basketball players
and find out m Rapino basically saying we were doing stuff. Um,
it's not on us. We need the people that say
they support women in their quest to get equal and
fair pay, to support the sport, whether that's attending more games,
promoting the game, getting more you know, it's better television
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coverage and so on and so forth. And so they've
gone back and forth on that, and UM, it's an
interesting situation. Rob you. I think you got some comments
on this, and I certainly do. Um, but what do
you think is about to agree with her? And that?
First of all, Draymond, this is like why are you
in this fight? Why why are you even sticking your
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nose in this if you're not gonna just support them?
And I just trying to be supportive, I think, But
but I don't think that that's the way it came across,
you know what I mean. Like they admitted that too,
that we know he's an ally, but the way, but
the way it came out, and that's not the way
you want to do it. And if he would have
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just said, uh, support to the w you know, to
the two women's sports or whatever it is, you know
what I mean to say that in private to him, Right,
you really exactly say exactly? There you go, Chris. Everything
doesn't have to be blast publicly. Okay, you can still
pick up the still right, That's what it came across as.
And I don't blame them for not being happy with
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a UM So I think, uh, I think women have
been underappreciated and underpaid in certain circumstances, not all because
it is about revenue, and you get paid. The more
money you can generate, the more money you should have
access to. And I mean everybody. I don't care what
company it is, Chris, what business you're selling hot dogs?
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You know, the more the more money you make, the
more that people should have. You know this r The
argument can't be we work just as hard, now, don't
you do? But you know what, we work just as
hard as Colin Cowhert right, right, money exactly right, and
and and that's that's part of the equation. But I'm
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gonna take it one step further when we talk about this,
and I'm just gonna say the one thing I'm most
disappointed in when we talk about women's sports, why women's
sports aren't covered the same, Why they don't get the
same access to television and big games and all that
kind of stuff is Chris, women won't support the women's leagues.
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There are more women than men. If women, I'm telling you,
you know this, Chris, you're in the newspaper business. If
the w NBA games were packed right at Madison Square
Garden for the Liberty, they would have a beat writer
who travels with the team. If they if if when
their games were on television, they got an equivalent or
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close to TV rating as a Knicks or Nets game,
they would be They would the advertisers would flock to it.
People would go, there's a big w NBA game on,
but the numbers are minuscule. And and I'm gonna say this,
I agree with you can't blame you can't blame the
men right for not being behind this when the women won't.
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And I don't know what it is. I'm just this
is just my I don't I'm not here to bash
women's sports, but I would love to hear from women
too out there. Women don't support women's sports, Chris. When
I you know, I've been married for a long time.
I never had a woman say to me, Hey, would
you like to go to a w NBA game on
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a Friday night, or take me out you know what
I mean, like invite me to a Yeah, that's another
it's been a long time. Keep it fairy. But you
see my point though? Yeah? Is that going on? That's
what guys do? We want to go out on a day? Chris? Hey,
you want to go to the Lakers game? You want
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to go to the Clippers game? Right? Do women do that?
To tell their boyfriends or their husbands? I got tickets,
you know for the Sparks. Let's go to the Sparks
game on Saturday night. This is what I'm just saying,
is that the support If women don't support it, how
can you be mad at men for not supporting it?
That That's my only knock. I'm gonna say, do women,
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if they generate the money, they deserve equal fair pay, whatever, Chris,
I'm all for that. But the cry about why they
don't get the same attention is based on the numbers.
The numbers aren't there. I totally agree. I totally agree.
Let me say the Megan Rapino. From what I've read now,
I know that the United States Soccer Federation and even
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making women's national team, they can't agree on whether the
women or the men generate more money. But I've seen
numbers that over the last few years, the women's national
team has generated more money for the United States Soccer
Federation than the men's team. If that's the case, then
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the women should not be getting equal to the men.
They should be getting more than the men. As we said, right,
it's based on revenue, all right, And I so I'm
totally with women. Like even if you said it was
like the NBA players get roughly roughly fifty percent of
the league revenue that's generated. W NBA players should get
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that soccer women should get the same split as the
men get. Whatever the case. So, but to your point,
rob is gonna be based on revenue. Period. Don't tell
me the w NBA women should make as much money
as the NBA players when you're not generating a fraction
of the money that they're making. Right, there's gotta be
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some revenue that's coming out that's going back that That's
that's basic economics. And they and you notice too, it
is not Oh well, if they covered if the newspaper
covered the w NBA as much as the NBA, it
would be as popular. No, it wouldn't. It wouldn't. But
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but but my point right, right, the team have to
games are on TV. Right, the NCAA women's tournament was
on TV. It didn't generate the same numbers. And that
look it is what it is now you and you
said it right, right, women, I don't know. I don't
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know if they're more in the men's sports. I think so,
I don't know the numbers, right, But you're right, they
aren't going to the w NBA games or any of
these women's sports games and packing them out. If they do,
and then they start generating more money, then you can
get the same money as the men's sport that generates
more revenue. Right, familiar simple as that. Right, The push
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should be, Chris, that moms and women and girlfriends make
a night out, that they go to these games, right,
and that's what you're going to That's how you increase
TV ratings, interests, why newspapers and internet and all these
other places are covering this and why it becomes important.
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But you have to have the fan support all the
wise and as you know, what, Chris, is no different
than those football leagues they started in the spring. What
happened the wise didn't got they It wasn't automatic, It
wasn't automatic. And you know what happened, even the XFL
with with McMahon behind it and all that, Chris and
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the networks, guess what, they flopped and they went off
the air because people don't want it. They want NFL football.
Were male football players and they didn't get a dime
because you generate revenue. And I'll say this, right, look
male for right for whatever reason, I mean male models.
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There are certain things more associated, you know, like male
models don't make the same money as female models, right, No,
they don't. They don't make close to it. And so
there are you know, it's it's it's in some situations. Obviously,
we need to make sure women get equal pay in
more instances than not, because that's a rarity that you
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have a field where males don't get what the women get.
But they don't and so it's all about revenue. Male
models aren't as famous as female models, just like in
most cases women's athletes. It's a rarity. Though female athlete
becomes like a cultural national icon. Some do serena, there
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have been others, but it's rare. It's much more rare
than the male athlete in America, and so these are
the things that go into the different pay skills. Be
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your podcasts. The Great Dick vites How made some comments.
I'm gonna let Rob Ge kind of set the table
and then Rob and I will get into it. Thanks Chris.
Why did you guys know the transfer portal is all
the rage this college basketball and it started because of COVID.
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Yes now, and it's not even just this offseason. It's
been happening during the season, just before the season, like
you mentioned, because of COVID. In total, right now, over
twelve hundred names in the men's basketball transfer portal, which
is on average three and a half players per program.
So it's rampant, and that means they can transfer and
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play immediately immediate. We're guys, were there transfers during the season. No,
you can play the following season. Yes, sorry, it just
means you can't out out a year. That was a deterrent, right,
guys wanting to transfer right, right. So most people believe
that the freedom is a good thing. One person who
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does not, however, is ESPN College Basketball Dick Vitell. He's
a friend of the show, but on a couple of times.
Here's what he said on Twitter earlier on Friday. This
transferring all over the place is going to destroy our game.
The NC double A should think twice before officially making
it that players can transfer without sitting out one year.
The chaos, all Caps chaos going on is sickening again,
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All Caps, you should only allow players to transfer without
sitting out when a coach leaves end quote. Rob, you
want to at that first. I just you could start
if you want. I just don't agree with Dick Vitel,
but go ahead, Chris. I one thing I do agree
with them on the if you did, if you were
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to limit transferring or you know, but let me put
it this way, this is craziness. I do agree that.
I mean, if you got three and a half players
per team transferring, the continue it's just it's very hard
to run a basketball program. I think what he said
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at the end makes some sense that you can transfer
and play right away if your coach leaves the program.
We know that's a big draw for the players to
go to the schools they pick. But what I would
say is this college basketball like it's making it When
guys transfer like this, rob it makes it kind of
like the pros because it's like everybody's a free agent
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and they can go wherever they want. And I get
why that's not good for college basketball. But what I
would say is it's been like the pros for the
coaches and the administrators for decades now. And and in
credit to Dick Vitil, he has said players should be paid.
So what I'm saying is, let's fix all of it
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right now. I agree with you. You can't have guys
just running all over the place where they want to play,
transfer left and right. But let's fix all of it.
Let's get these dudes the money they deserve. Let's get
them paid, Let's make it fair. And then if they're
getting paid and they have something akin to a contract,
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then you stay where you're at and less the coach leaves,
and then you can go elsewhere. So physics at all.
Don't just harp on this part when there's so much
chaos going on. See, I disagree that people should have
the right to leave because maybe the coach promised you
something that he didn't deliver on. Maybe things have changed
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and some guy who they brought to the program became
a star in a position you're in and you're not playing,
and maybe there's a better opportunity for you. It's about
the kids in their education and if and the kids
who are transferring, Chris aren't the aren't the main parts
of any college program. If they're the if they're the
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star players or their balling. Most of the players in
the final four, yea yeah, but but but obviously they're
moren't happy with where they were, And I'm just saying,
what's the difference. If it's about the kids education and
the kids getting an opportunity to play college basketball, why
can't it just be about the kids wanting to be happy.
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If you want to transfer schools, thank you, all right,
you did, you did everything you were supposed to do here,
no hard feelings, and let the kids move on. I
wouldn't want to make kids stay somewhere where they don't
want to be. If they don't want to be at
the program, you should bring in kids who want to
be there. So I don't I think Dick Vitel's wrong.
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I understan Danny didn't like it because it's so radical
from what we had. But change is okay, there's nothing
wrong with it. Let the kids find their happiness. If
maybe they realize the style doesn't work, the coach, they
don't like, the coaches demeanor, they don't like maybe they
found out during Black Lives Matter, this coach really doesn't
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have my best interest at hand, or man, whatever it
is that they don't feel they were a fit there.
It's traumatic to move schools. I don't think everybody just
moving just to be moving. I think people move because
things don't feel right, or things aren't a good fit.
And if they really believe they have an opportunity to
go somewhere else, show their talents, be in a place
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that they're comfortable. I'm not gonna knock a kid for
doing so. And I don't want to see it limited.
Let people have freedom, Let people do what they want
to do, as long as they do all the other
rules that you have in college basketball. If you don't
to play in North Carolina anymore, because Hubert Davis is
the coach, you should ever right to say thank you.
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I'm just saying after that press conference, it might be
a couple of guys that might not want to be there. Now,
you know what, you make a lot of sense. There's
no doubt about it. Um and and and here's the thing,
and I brought up continuity. Continuity is gone in college basketball,
right it just I mean, and this isn't the only
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thing that is hurting college basketball. We've talked about. I mean, guys, now,
a lot of the best players are playing in the
G League, maybe going overseas, maybe going somewhere to work
out for a year before the NBA draft. So there
are a lot of things working against college basketball. As
we once knew it, but I agree with you. That's
a good point because we One of the things that
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has made college basketball less popular robbed than it used
to be is when you and I were coming up,
and even when we were adults early on, there wasn nuity.
You knew year to year, Oh, Michigan State's got so
and so, so and so and so and so coming back.
This group's gonna be juniors. Now they're gonna be tough.
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There's no more of that. They're the best players are
gone after a year. So there's already tremendous turnovers. So
that that makes some sense. You made a good point.
I'll give you that. That that's uh, that's hard to
argue with. I think I do still think though, they
should be fixing all of this stuff. No, and I
hear your point. I'm just saying, let the kids as
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long as if they want to play. You know, Chris,
things change. You played college basketball even on your scale.
I don't you had to say no, I mean scale, Well,
I'm Division three. I'm just saying bowler, Okay, all right,
I'm just saying, but you know, liked, did anything change
from the time you would there with the coach? Yeah,
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we had a second we we are coach. The coach
that recruited me left, That's what I'm saying. After Chris
sophomore year. And then and then did it change? Like
did it change how you were perceived by the new
coach and you're playing time? Did it go down? Do
you know what I'm saying? Like a chance? No it didn't.
But yeah, I hear you believe it or not, Rob,
But I was actually on the committee that helped pick
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the new coach. Really, yes, we had we had a
few players and some other administrators. We interviewed the coaches
and then we were able to make a strong recommendation.
And uh, but it's now you recommended. Did he get
the job? Got it? Yeah? He got it, he got it?
Did it good? He was good? He was young, but
um he was good. Did he give you a yeah?
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Did he run? No? Give you any run? Did he
I started? I was a starter? Yeah. Yeah, So I
mean he was a good coach. Um. But yeah, so
I hear you. I mean that things like that happened. Um,
so that that's fair because coaches, the bottom line, his
coaches can leave whenever they want, and it is the
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players have been stuck now you noticed, right, the thing
that draws players typically to a school. I mean, there
are a few other factors, but it's the coach that
might be the main thing, right, if you don't hit
it off with the guys. Larry Bird left Indiana. He
didn't like Bobby Knight exactly. I'm a great player like that.
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He couldn't do it. He was like, I'm sorry, he
supposed Larry Bird was supposed to play in Indiana. He
couldn't do it. He went to Indiana stay he left
after a couple of months. If I yes, he was like,
oh no, this guy's not for me, right, And you
know that that Bobby Knight should have been chastised for that,
that he wasn't able to be able to work with
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one of the greatest players who ever played coming from
the state of Indiana. Chris like, like, seriously, that was
an indictment of Bobby Knight for real, that that he
couldn't work with Larry Bird, who wound up being one
of the all time greats from Indiana. White guy, all
the other stuff that you would want, you know what
I mean, like like, like, that's your guy, what do
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you mean there? There's no doubt about it, no doubt
about it. Um, you gotta make that work. You gotta
make that work with Larry Bird. But yeah, it's Um,
it's interesting. I mean college basketball, you know, I've talked
about it before. I mean, we think it's March madness
is always going to be March madness. I don't care who.
You could have thrown me and my d three colleagues
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out there and people would be into it just because
it is what it is. The one and done format,
The betting that goes on is darn near a national
holiday on that first Thursday and Friday. Now, it is
what What is it not to like Chris that there's
there's drama. If you lose, you out, I mean, stop
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right there. It's just the rest of the season, right,
that's the problem. And so this is just one of
the issues they've got to deal with, and I think
several of them are a lot more weighty and a
lot more problematic for college basketball than the transfer portal
because the continuity that Vitil wants it's gone. It's gone.
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It ain't there no more, period. So let the kids
do their thing and you fix the game. Fox Sports
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and last night, you know, moon lighting a bit with
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It's great to have you. No, let me tell you
how much pride I have in Kevin Frasier. Can I
do that cav for two seconds? Because because when I
met keV, he was the weekend sportscaster in Cincinnati and dude,
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he is a He's a mega man, man, unbelievable. Hey,
before we get to the basketball. Uh, you, as I
said T and T the other night with with the
you know that crew, Barkley and Shocking, Yeah, and all
those guys, what is it like up there with them?
I mean, how do you do you go? What's your
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game plan when you sit down with them and you know,
let it rip? You know what people don't realize is
that that those three are genius and you got to
learn how to get out of the way. And it's
the hardest thing to do when you're a sportscaster and
you're like, hey, I want to do this highlight. I
want to say this thing. You really need to get
out of the way and let their genius sign shine
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through trolle. Barkley is a genius. I mean he's a genius,
and you gotta get out of the way let it happen.
And that's what's the you know, the main thing that
I think about every time you look like shut up
and listen. Yeah, that's right. I agree, Like there's no
boy and you know this at the old place where
we all spent some time, yea, they are forever trying
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to find an NBA show that can compete with its
happened right because it's Barkley. Well it's Barkley. Yeah, I
would say I would say Barkley would say a shot.
But it's also the fact that they try to overproduce it.
If you you know, at that other place, you could
not somebody's doing a highlight and you start talking about
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a movie, they'd have a pit like up, we're here.
They let everything just happen naturally, and so it feels
so organic, and I think that's the thing. I'm shocked
that they haven't figured out let the dudes go. I
mean we our final segment was us hitting golf balls. Yes,
nobody cares about you know what I mean? Right? And
(25:46):
when and when Charles was yelling. When Charles was yelling,
nobody cares about the thunder in Cleveland right now, right,
nobody cares. Right. Only only Charles could get away with that,
you know, like for a league and you're telling people
nobody nobody cares or nobody wants to watch that game.
You know, that's how big he is. But definitely I
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covered Charles when he played, so I to see him
where he is now is great. The other thing, cav,
do you do you miss sports? You got a great
job entertainment tonight, I mean the iconic show. But do
you miss sports sometimes or how much are you do
you still watch it? Or you just into the y'all
entertainment and the movies and the music. I mean, look, Rob,
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you know this, I mean it is in my blood.
I mean my father was a coaching, you know, with
the Bix and so this is something that will never
leave me. I love basketball through and through. As a
matter of fact, if my father were here, he might
look at me a little side eye and be like
you still doing that entertainment thing. Okay, but I listen,
my job at entertainment tonight is amazing. It's an incredible job,
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and I thoroughly enjoyed and the things that I've learned
and the things that get to do are crazy, and
the places and people that I get to be around,
and the things. You know, you're standing on Ray carpet,
the oscars or you're you know, you're walking somewhere crazy
with Beyonce and you're like, this is my job. It's
it's unbelievable. So I love that too. But yeah, every
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once in a while, I'm miss sports. I just want
to do a highlight, man, I just want to Well,
we were gonna give you some minutes to weigh in.
Now you know the game. You know the game. You
played the game in college as well. We talked Yester
Bondsey Wells came out the other night. I don't know
if you saw his tweet. He said that Chris Paul
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might be the greatest point guard ever and that he's
definitely on the Mount Rushmore of point guards. Now, I
don't know. I think he thinks Mount Rushmore is bigger
than it actually is, right, Yeah, it's Chris Paul on
the Mount Rushmore. I know you know it's four spots
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point guards. Let me say this, Okay, what Chris Paul
is doing and what he's done for so long so
well is the thing that gets him into consideration to
be on Mount Rushmore. If you think it's a great
it's not just being able to do it, but it's
being able to do it for a long time. Well.
And if you look at everywhere Chris Paul has gone,
he has lifted the level of play of others and
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continue to play well. I mean, look, he took the
clippers on his back as far as he could go.
I mean he was carrying everybody. Is Chris Paul on
the Mount Rushmore of point Keth don't want to say no,
you being nice because he Rushmore? Kevin, because I think
you could hear, but you don't dig one of the guys,
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all right, uh, Magic Johnson, Steph Curry, Oscar Robertson, and
Isaiah Thomas. Okay, well, first of all, let me just
say that, do you and when you think point guard
in Steph, no for being a prolific point guard with
setting up other people and his job is to make
people better or it's either greatest shooter in the history
of NBA. So that blurs the line of a point guard, right,
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I'll give you that without it. And so that's where
I could put Chris Paul in there. Now here's the separation,
the thing that you're you're naming people, and Chris got
to get over this hump. He's got to get over
the hump somewhere. If he wins a ring, then it
looks different right now, being suck in the in the
muck and the mire, and you know he's in the
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He's somewhere around, you know, elevated over Bob Kozy. But
the problem is is you got magic staying in all
them damn rings, right right, no doubt about it. Let
me ask you about the Brooklyn Nets. We saw Kevin
Durant return looking like he didn't miss a day, and
they didn't even have hard and they're running people out
the gym. When they're all together, they're gonna be tough
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to be keV right. I think that, you know, I
would say that Philly would be okay and that Philly
would be able to handle them, but Philly can't. Philly will.
I don't think that Philly has enough firepower to handle them.
Those guys are different and special. And let's just start
with Kyrie. Love them or hate him. He is an
unstoppable offensive force. Yeah, absolutely. Now, now put that with
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James Harden, who is an unstoppable offensive force. Right, and
now you have just on the bench in the back line.
Now you have Katie who is an unstoppable offensive force.
So nobody can have You're not gonna get those Knights.
We're like, oh, they just couldn't score. But looking at it,
then you're looking at it, Oh, oh, we can throw
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it over to Blake if we want to. And I mean,
don't forget the guys coming off the bench and the
beak they have. I mean, DeAndre has fallen so far
on the on the on the on the depth chart,
and I mean that's the guy DeAndre Jordan is. He
would start anywhere else. For all I'm saying is they
are so loaded. I think they are unbeatable. It is
another one of them damn super teams. And I'm not
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a fan of them. Expound on it. I was gonna
ask you about it because you know, we all grew
up together and we saw super teams in the eighties.
But they were more organic with bird and showtime and
draft not like so would you what is how do
you feel about the players coming together and creating these teams.
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I mean, what I think is the one thing that
it's done is it deflated the value of a ring.
Think about that because you think about somebody like Carmalo
who tried in the very end to go to the Lakers,
or Gary Payton who tried to get a ring. But
think of all the guys who played their entire career
and never left and never went someplace else to get
a ring. George Gerban could have gone and signed on
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with somebody and got a ring somewhere. Charles Barkley tried
desperately to sign on somewhere and could have gotten the ring,
and these days would have teamed up with five other guys.
So you look at some of these people out there
who could have done it in the past, but they
did it. You know, they tried to say in their place,
they battled the Titans, and they did all that stuff.
So it hurts me a little bit when these guys
are getting these rings and you look around and you're like, well,
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you were playing with seven dudes who are going to
go to the hall. Say that's crazy. Let me thirty seconds.
Go ahead, Rob, Yeah, I just want last thing. We
went out to dinner not too long ago. This is
not to to We went out to dinner. Was great
and uh it was calv Galen Gordon was a big
shot at ABC News, stephen A and myself with the
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mastros here in La And was that not a great dinner?
And I just want you to know three of us
had short arms at the table, so you know who
paid the bill? Four of us? Is that not? Was
that not an awesome night? Awesome night, awesome dinner. And
you're damn right, stephen A is killing the game. I
love yeah, go ahead, thank thank you, stephen A Upan.
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That's our guy. We love him, we love him. That's
our guy. And you know it was really it was
a great gesture by him. But I mean, hey, brothers
are making money. Now, I'm like, okay, yeah, he can
afford it, he can afford it, He'll be okay. That
is our man. Kevin Frasier, host of Entertainment. Now, Amen,
(33:06):
great job, brothers, appreciate it. Guys. Bring me back during
the playoffs. I need to talk sports. I need sports
in my life. Here we will do it, guaranteed, guaranteed.
All right, I'll bring I'll bring y'all under the oscars. Okay, Hey,
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You're listening to the Best of the Odd Couple with
Chris Brush and Rod Harker. A lot of people in sports,
some may not know what's going on, but certainly a
lot of people have seen the back and forth between
Meghan Rapino, the great soccer player, female soccer player for
(00:43):
the United States women's team, and Draymond Green in talking
about women's pay. Now, the United States women's national team
sued the United States Soccer Federation in twenty nineteen. I
believe it was because they're not getting equal pay to
the men, and um, you know, they've been making a
(01:05):
lot of noise about it to stink about it. Um
and Draymond came out a few days and Rob g
correct me if I get into this wrong. Draymond came
out a few actually last month and said, um, or
was it a week ago? Two weeks ago, and he said,
(01:25):
you know, stop complain, not stop complaining, but you know,
just complaining is not enough. I'm paraphrasing. You gotta come
up with a plan to get more money, because he said,
it all boils down to the revenue. That's what the
owners are all, or the presidents or whoever's running the organization,
they're always gonna say it's based on revenue. So you
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have to come up with a plan to up your revenue.
And what he said was you the NBA always wasn't
always the league it is. They became this league by
telling the story stories and you know, all these great
stories and making their players better known. And that's what
you have to do. Who's telling your stories? That's essentially
(02:09):
what he was saying. Who's telling the great stories about
Sue Bird and Brittany Grinder and so on and so forth,
and making Rapino came out and was very critical of him. Um,
she said that he showed his whole ass. That's what
she said. She said, you don't know what you're talking about.
You couldn't. You could know, I'm praying phrasing her too.
You could know because you could reach out to any
(02:32):
of us or any any of these women's basketball players
and find out m Rapino basically saying we were doing stuff. Um,
it's not on us. We need the people that say
they support women in their quest to get equal and
fair pay, to support the sport, whether that's attending more games,
promoting the game, getting more you know, it's better television
(02:55):
coverage and so on and so forth. And so they've
gone back and forth on that, and UM, it's an
interesting situation. Rob you. I think you got some comments
on this, and I certainly do. Um, but what do
you think is about to agree with her? And that?
First of all, Draymond, this is like why are you
in this fight? Why why are you even sticking your
(03:16):
nose in this if you're not gonna just support them?
And I just trying to be supportive, I think, But
but I don't think that that's the way it came across,
you know what I mean. Like they admitted that too,
that we know he's an ally, but the way, but
the way it came out, and that's not the way
you want to do it. And if he would have
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just said, uh, support to the w you know, to
the two women's sports or whatever it is, you know
what I mean to say that in private to him, Right,
you really exactly say exactly? There you go, Chris. Everything
doesn't have to be blast publicly. Okay, you can still
pick up the still right, That's what it came across as.
And I don't blame them for not being happy with
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a UM So I think, uh, I think women have
been underappreciated and underpaid in certain circumstances, not all because
it is about revenue, and you get paid. The more
money you can generate, the more money you should have
access to. And I mean everybody. I don't care what
company it is, Chris, what business you're selling hot dogs?
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You know, the more the more money you make, the
more that people should have. You know this r The
argument can't be we work just as hard, now, don't
you do? But you know what, we work just as
hard as Colin Cowhert right, right, money exactly right, and
and and that's that's part of the equation. But I'm
(04:44):
gonna take it one step further when we talk about this,
and I'm just gonna say the one thing I'm most
disappointed in when we talk about women's sports, why women's
sports aren't covered the same, Why they don't get the
same access to television and big games and all that
kind of stuff is Chris, women won't support the women's leagues.
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There are more women than men. If women, I'm telling you,
you know this, Chris, you're in the newspaper business. If
the w NBA games were packed right at Madison Square
Garden for the Liberty, they would have a beat writer
who travels with the team. If they if if when
their games were on television, they got an equivalent or
(05:29):
close to TV rating as a Knicks or Nets game,
they would be They would the advertisers would flock to it.
People would go, there's a big w NBA game on,
but the numbers are minuscule. And and I'm gonna say this,
I agree with you can't blame you can't blame the
men right for not being behind this when the women won't.
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And I don't know what it is. I'm just this
is just my I don't I'm not here to bash
women's sports, but I would love to hear from women
too out there. Women don't support women's sports, Chris. When
I you know, I've been married for a long time.
I never had a woman say to me, Hey, would
you like to go to a w NBA game on
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a Friday night, or take me out you know what
I mean, like invite me to a Yeah, that's another
it's been a long time. Keep it fairy. But you
see my point though? Yeah? Is that going on? That's
what guys do? We want to go out on a day? Chris? Hey,
you want to go to the Lakers game? You want
(06:34):
to go to the Clippers game? Right? Do women do that?
To tell their boyfriends or their husbands? I got tickets,
you know for the Sparks. Let's go to the Sparks
game on Saturday night. This is what I'm just saying,
is that the support If women don't support it, how
can you be mad at men for not supporting it?
That That's my only knock. I'm gonna say, do women,
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if they generate the money, they deserve equal fair pay, whatever, Chris,
I'm all for that. But the cry about why they
don't get the same attention is based on the numbers.
The numbers aren't there. I totally agree. I totally agree.
Let me say the Megan Rapino. From what I've read now,
I know that the United States Soccer Federation and even
(07:18):
making women's national team, they can't agree on whether the
women or the men generate more money. But I've seen
numbers that over the last few years, the women's national
team has generated more money for the United States Soccer
Federation than the men's team. If that's the case, then
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the women should not be getting equal to the men.
They should be getting more than the men. As we said, right,
it's based on revenue, all right, And I so I'm
totally with women. Like even if you said it was
like the NBA players get roughly roughly fifty percent of
the league revenue that's generated. W NBA players should get
(08:05):
that soccer women should get the same split as the
men get. Whatever the case. So, but to your point,
rob is gonna be based on revenue. Period. Don't tell
me the w NBA women should make as much money
as the NBA players when you're not generating a fraction
of the money that they're making. Right, there's gotta be
(08:27):
some revenue that's coming out that's going back that That's
that's basic economics. And they and you notice too, it
is not Oh well, if they covered if the newspaper
covered the w NBA as much as the NBA, it
would be as popular. No, it wouldn't. It wouldn't. But
(08:48):
but but my point right, right, the team have to
games are on TV. Right, the NCAA women's tournament was
on TV. It didn't generate the same numbers. And that
look it is what it is now you and you
said it right, right, women, I don't know. I don't
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know if they're more in the men's sports. I think so,
I don't know the numbers, right, But you're right, they
aren't going to the w NBA games or any of
these women's sports games and packing them out. If they do,
and then they start generating more money, then you can
get the same money as the men's sport that generates
more revenue. Right, familiar simple as that. Right, The push
(09:35):
should be, Chris, that moms and women and girlfriends make
a night out, that they go to these games, right,
and that's what you're going to That's how you increase
TV ratings, interests, why newspapers and internet and all these
other places are covering this and why it becomes important.
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But you have to have the fan support all the
wise and as you know, what, Chris, is no different
than those football leagues they started in the spring. What
happened the wise didn't got they It wasn't automatic, It
wasn't automatic. And you know what happened, even the XFL
with with McMahon behind it and all that, Chris and
(10:17):
the networks, guess what, they flopped and they went off
the air because people don't want it. They want NFL football.
Were male football players and they didn't get a dime
because you generate revenue. And I'll say this, right, look
male for right for whatever reason, I mean male models.
(10:43):
There are certain things more associated, you know, like male
models don't make the same money as female models, right, No,
they don't. They don't make close to it. And so
there are you know, it's it's it's in some situations. Obviously,
we need to make sure women get equal pay in
more instances than not, because that's a rarity that you
(11:05):
have a field where males don't get what the women get.
But they don't and so it's all about revenue. Male
models aren't as famous as female models, just like in
most cases women's athletes. It's a rarity. Though female athlete
becomes like a cultural national icon. Some do serena, there
(11:30):
have been others, but it's rare. It's much more rare
than the male athlete in America, and so these are
the things that go into the different pay skills. Be
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your podcasts. The Great Dick vites How made some comments.
I'm gonna let Rob Ge kind of set the table
and then Rob and I will get into it. Thanks Chris.
Why did you guys know the transfer portal is all
the rage this college basketball and it started because of COVID.
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Yes now, and it's not even just this offseason. It's
been happening during the season, just before the season, like
you mentioned, because of COVID. In total, right now, over
twelve hundred names in the men's basketball transfer portal, which
is on average three and a half players per program.
So it's rampant, and that means they can transfer and
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play immediately immediate. We're guys, were there transfers during the season. No,
you can play the following season. Yes, sorry, it just
means you can't out out a year. That was a deterrent, right,
guys wanting to transfer right, right. So most people believe
that the freedom is a good thing. One person who
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does not, however, is ESPN College Basketball Dick Vitell. He's
a friend of the show, but on a couple of times.
Here's what he said on Twitter earlier on Friday. This
transferring all over the place is going to destroy our game.
The NC double A should think twice before officially making
it that players can transfer without sitting out one year.
The chaos, all Caps chaos going on is sickening again,
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All Caps, you should only allow players to transfer without
sitting out when a coach leaves end quote. Rob, you
want to at that first. I just you could start
if you want. I just don't agree with Dick Vitel,
but go ahead, Chris. I one thing I do agree
with them on the if you did, if you were
(14:05):
to limit transferring or you know, but let me put
it this way, this is craziness. I do agree that.
I mean, if you got three and a half players
per team transferring, the continue it's just it's very hard
to run a basketball program. I think what he said
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at the end makes some sense that you can transfer
and play right away if your coach leaves the program.
We know that's a big draw for the players to
go to the schools they pick. But what I would
say is this college basketball like it's making it When
guys transfer like this, rob it makes it kind of
like the pros because it's like everybody's a free agent
(14:48):
and they can go wherever they want. And I get
why that's not good for college basketball. But what I
would say is it's been like the pros for the
coaches and the administrators for decades now. And and in
credit to Dick Vitil, he has said players should be paid.
So what I'm saying is, let's fix all of it
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right now. I agree with you. You can't have guys
just running all over the place where they want to play,
transfer left and right. But let's fix all of it.
Let's get these dudes the money they deserve. Let's get
them paid, Let's make it fair. And then if they're
getting paid and they have something akin to a contract,
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then you stay where you're at and less the coach leaves,
and then you can go elsewhere. So physics at all.
Don't just harp on this part when there's so much
chaos going on. See, I disagree that people should have
the right to leave because maybe the coach promised you
something that he didn't deliver on. Maybe things have changed
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and some guy who they brought to the program became
a star in a position you're in and you're not playing,
and maybe there's a better opportunity for you. It's about
the kids in their education and if and the kids
who are transferring, Chris aren't the aren't the main parts
of any college program. If they're the if they're the
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star players or their balling. Most of the players in
the final four, yea yeah, but but but obviously they're
moren't happy with where they were, And I'm just saying,
what's the difference. If it's about the kids education and
the kids getting an opportunity to play college basketball, why
can't it just be about the kids wanting to be happy.
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If you want to transfer schools, thank you, all right,
you did, you did everything you were supposed to do here,
no hard feelings, and let the kids move on. I
wouldn't want to make kids stay somewhere where they don't
want to be. If they don't want to be at
the program, you should bring in kids who want to
be there. So I don't I think Dick Vitel's wrong.
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I understan Danny didn't like it because it's so radical
from what we had. But change is okay, there's nothing
wrong with it. Let the kids find their happiness. If
maybe they realize the style doesn't work, the coach, they
don't like, the coaches demeanor, they don't like maybe they
found out during Black Lives Matter, this coach really doesn't
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have my best interest at hand, or man, whatever it
is that they don't feel they were a fit there.
It's traumatic to move schools. I don't think everybody just
moving just to be moving. I think people move because
things don't feel right, or things aren't a good fit.
And if they really believe they have an opportunity to
go somewhere else, show their talents, be in a place
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that they're comfortable. I'm not gonna knock a kid for
doing so. And I don't want to see it limited.
Let people have freedom, Let people do what they want
to do, as long as they do all the other
rules that you have in college basketball. If you don't
to play in North Carolina anymore, because Hubert Davis is
the coach, you should ever right to say thank you.
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I'm just saying after that press conference, it might be
a couple of guys that might not want to be there. Now,
you know what, you make a lot of sense. There's
no doubt about it. Um and and and here's the thing,
and I brought up continuity. Continuity is gone in college basketball,
right it just I mean, and this isn't the only
(18:26):
thing that is hurting college basketball. We've talked about. I mean, guys, now,
a lot of the best players are playing in the
G League, maybe going overseas, maybe going somewhere to work
out for a year before the NBA draft. So there
are a lot of things working against college basketball. As
we once knew it, but I agree with you. That's
a good point because we One of the things that
(18:48):
has made college basketball less popular robbed than it used
to be is when you and I were coming up,
and even when we were adults early on, there wasn nuity.
You knew year to year, Oh, Michigan State's got so
and so, so and so and so and so coming back.
This group's gonna be juniors. Now they're gonna be tough.
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There's no more of that. They're the best players are
gone after a year. So there's already tremendous turnovers. So
that that makes some sense. You made a good point.
I'll give you that. That that's uh, that's hard to
argue with. I think I do still think though, they
should be fixing all of this stuff. No, and I
hear your point. I'm just saying, let the kids as
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long as if they want to play. You know, Chris,
things change. You played college basketball even on your scale.
I don't you had to say no, I mean scale, Well,
I'm Division three. I'm just saying bowler, Okay, all right,
I'm just saying, but you know, liked, did anything change
from the time you would there with the coach? Yeah,
(19:53):
we had a second we we are coach. The coach
that recruited me left, That's what I'm saying. After Chris
sophomore year. And then and then did it change? Like
did it change how you were perceived by the new
coach and you're playing time? Did it go down? Do
you know what I'm saying? Like a chance? No it didn't.
But yeah, I hear you believe it or not, Rob,
But I was actually on the committee that helped pick
(20:14):
the new coach. Really, yes, we had we had a
few players and some other administrators. We interviewed the coaches
and then we were able to make a strong recommendation.
And uh, but it's now you recommended. Did he get
the job? Got it? Yeah? He got it, he got it?
Did it good? He was good? He was young, but
um he was good. Did he give you a yeah?
(20:39):
Did he run? No? Give you any run? Did he
I started? I was a starter? Yeah. Yeah, So I
mean he was a good coach. Um. But yeah, so
I hear you. I mean that things like that happened. Um,
so that that's fair because coaches, the bottom line, his
coaches can leave whenever they want, and it is the
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players have been stuck now you noticed, right, the thing
that draws players typically to a school. I mean, there
are a few other factors, but it's the coach that
might be the main thing, right, if you don't hit
it off with the guys. Larry Bird left Indiana. He
didn't like Bobby Knight exactly. I'm a great player like that.
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He couldn't do it. He was like, I'm sorry, he
supposed Larry Bird was supposed to play in Indiana. He
couldn't do it. He went to Indiana stay he left
after a couple of months. If I yes, he was like,
oh no, this guy's not for me, right, And you
know that that Bobby Knight should have been chastised for that,
that he wasn't able to be able to work with
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one of the greatest players who ever played coming from
the state of Indiana. Chris like, like, seriously, that was
an indictment of Bobby Knight for real, that that he
couldn't work with Larry Bird, who wound up being one
of the all time greats from Indiana. White guy, all
the other stuff that you would want, you know what
I mean, like like, like, that's your guy, what do
(22:03):
you mean there? There's no doubt about it, no doubt
about it. Um, you gotta make that work. You gotta
make that work with Larry Bird. But yeah, it's Um,
it's interesting. I mean college basketball, you know, I've talked
about it before. I mean, we think it's March madness
is always going to be March madness. I don't care who.
You could have thrown me and my d three colleagues
(22:26):
out there and people would be into it just because
it is what it is. The one and done format,
The betting that goes on is darn near a national
holiday on that first Thursday and Friday. Now, it is
what What is it not to like Chris that there's
there's drama. If you lose, you out, I mean, stop
(22:47):
right there. It's just the rest of the season, right,
that's the problem. And so this is just one of
the issues they've got to deal with, and I think
several of them are a lot more weighty and a
lot more problematic for college basketball than the transfer portal
because the continuity that Vitil wants it's gone. It's gone.
(23:12):
It ain't there no more, period. So let the kids
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It's great to have you. No, let me tell you
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met keV, he was the weekend sportscaster in Cincinnati and dude,
(23:59):
he is a He's a mega man, man, unbelievable. Hey,
before we get to the basketball. Uh, you, as I
said T and T the other night with with the
you know that crew, Barkley and Shocking, Yeah, and all
those guys, what is it like up there with them?
I mean, how do you do you go? What's your
(24:21):
game plan when you sit down with them and you know,
let it rip? You know what people don't realize is
that that those three are genius and you got to
learn how to get out of the way. And it's
the hardest thing to do when you're a sportscaster and
you're like, hey, I want to do this highlight. I
want to say this thing. You really need to get
out of the way and let their genius sign shine
(24:43):
through trolle. Barkley is a genius. I mean he's a genius,
and you gotta get out of the way let it happen.
And that's what's the you know, the main thing that
I think about every time you look like shut up
and listen. Yeah, that's right. I agree, Like there's no
boy and you know this at the old place where
we all spent some time, yea, they are forever trying
(25:04):
to find an NBA show that can compete with its
happened right because it's Barkley. Well it's Barkley. Yeah, I
would say I would say Barkley would say a shot.
But it's also the fact that they try to overproduce it.
If you you know, at that other place, you could
not somebody's doing a highlight and you start talking about
(25:25):
a movie, they'd have a pit like up, we're here.
They let everything just happen naturally, and so it feels
so organic, and I think that's the thing. I'm shocked
that they haven't figured out let the dudes go. I
mean we our final segment was us hitting golf balls. Yes,
nobody cares about you know what I mean? Right? And
(25:46):
when and when Charles was yelling. When Charles was yelling,
nobody cares about the thunder in Cleveland right now, right,
nobody cares. Right. Only only Charles could get away with that,
you know, like for a league and you're telling people
nobody nobody cares or nobody wants to watch that game.
You know, that's how big he is. But definitely I
(26:07):
covered Charles when he played, so I to see him
where he is now is great. The other thing, cav,
do you do you miss sports? You got a great
job entertainment tonight, I mean the iconic show. But do
you miss sports sometimes or how much are you do
you still watch it? Or you just into the y'all
entertainment and the movies and the music. I mean, look, Rob,
(26:28):
you know this, I mean it is in my blood.
I mean my father was a coaching, you know, with
the Bix and so this is something that will never
leave me. I love basketball through and through. As a
matter of fact, if my father were here, he might
look at me a little side eye and be like
you still doing that entertainment thing. Okay, but I listen,
my job at entertainment tonight is amazing. It's an incredible job,
(26:49):
and I thoroughly enjoyed and the things that I've learned
and the things that get to do are crazy, and
the places and people that I get to be around,
and the things. You know, you're standing on Ray carpet,
the oscars or you're you know, you're walking somewhere crazy
with Beyonce and you're like, this is my job. It's
it's unbelievable. So I love that too. But yeah, every
(27:10):
once in a while, I'm miss sports. I just want
to do a highlight, man, I just want to Well,
we were gonna give you some minutes to weigh in.
Now you know the game. You know the game. You
played the game in college as well. We talked Yester
Bondsey Wells came out the other night. I don't know
if you saw his tweet. He said that Chris Paul
(27:30):
might be the greatest point guard ever and that he's
definitely on the Mount Rushmore of point guards. Now, I
don't know. I think he thinks Mount Rushmore is bigger
than it actually is, right, Yeah, it's Chris Paul on
the Mount Rushmore. I know you know it's four spots
(27:52):
point guards. Let me say this, Okay, what Chris Paul
is doing and what he's done for so long so
well is the thing that gets him into consideration to
be on Mount Rushmore. If you think it's a great
it's not just being able to do it, but it's
being able to do it for a long time. Well.
And if you look at everywhere Chris Paul has gone,
he has lifted the level of play of others and
(28:14):
continue to play well. I mean, look, he took the
clippers on his back as far as he could go.
I mean he was carrying everybody. Is Chris Paul on
the Mount Rushmore of point Keth don't want to say no,
you being nice because he Rushmore? Kevin, because I think
you could hear, but you don't dig one of the guys,
(28:37):
all right, uh, Magic Johnson, Steph Curry, Oscar Robertson, and
Isaiah Thomas. Okay, well, first of all, let me just
say that, do you and when you think point guard
in Steph, no for being a prolific point guard with
setting up other people and his job is to make
people better or it's either greatest shooter in the history
of NBA. So that blurs the line of a point guard, right,
(29:00):
I'll give you that without it. And so that's where
I could put Chris Paul in there. Now here's the separation,
the thing that you're you're naming people, and Chris got
to get over this hump. He's got to get over
the hump somewhere. If he wins a ring, then it
looks different right now, being suck in the in the
muck and the mire, and you know he's in the
(29:21):
He's somewhere around, you know, elevated over Bob Kozy. But
the problem is is you got magic staying in all
them damn rings, right right, no doubt about it. Let
me ask you about the Brooklyn Nets. We saw Kevin
Durant return looking like he didn't miss a day, and
they didn't even have hard and they're running people out
the gym. When they're all together, they're gonna be tough
(29:44):
to be keV right. I think that, you know, I
would say that Philly would be okay and that Philly
would be able to handle them, but Philly can't. Philly will.
I don't think that Philly has enough firepower to handle them.
Those guys are different and special. And let's just start
with Kyrie. Love them or hate him. He is an
unstoppable offensive force. Yeah, absolutely. Now, now put that with
(30:07):
James Harden, who is an unstoppable offensive force. Right, and
now you have just on the bench in the back line.
Now you have Katie who is an unstoppable offensive force.
So nobody can have You're not gonna get those Knights.
We're like, oh, they just couldn't score. But looking at it,
then you're looking at it, Oh, oh, we can throw
(30:29):
it over to Blake if we want to. And I mean,
don't forget the guys coming off the bench and the
beak they have. I mean, DeAndre has fallen so far
on the on the on the on the depth chart,
and I mean that's the guy DeAndre Jordan is. He
would start anywhere else. For all I'm saying is they
are so loaded. I think they are unbeatable. It is
another one of them damn super teams. And I'm not
(30:52):
a fan of them. Expound on it. I was gonna
ask you about it because you know, we all grew
up together and we saw super teams in the eighties.
But they were more organic with bird and showtime and
draft not like so would you what is how do
you feel about the players coming together and creating these teams.
(31:14):
I mean, what I think is the one thing that
it's done is it deflated the value of a ring.
Think about that because you think about somebody like Carmalo
who tried in the very end to go to the Lakers,
or Gary Payton who tried to get a ring. But
think of all the guys who played their entire career
and never left and never went someplace else to get
a ring. George Gerban could have gone and signed on
(31:35):
with somebody and got a ring somewhere. Charles Barkley tried
desperately to sign on somewhere and could have gotten the ring,
and these days would have teamed up with five other guys.
So you look at some of these people out there
who could have done it in the past, but they
did it. You know, they tried to say in their place,
they battled the Titans, and they did all that stuff.
So it hurts me a little bit when these guys
are getting these rings and you look around and you're like, well,
(31:57):
you were playing with seven dudes who are going to
go to the hall. Say that's crazy. Let me thirty seconds.
Go ahead, Rob, Yeah, I just want last thing. We
went out to dinner not too long ago. This is
not to to We went out to dinner. Was great
and uh it was calv Galen Gordon was a big
shot at ABC News, stephen A and myself with the
(32:20):
mastros here in La And was that not a great dinner?
And I just want you to know three of us
had short arms at the table, so you know who
paid the bill? Four of us? Is that not? Was
that not an awesome night? Awesome night, awesome dinner. And
you're damn right, stephen A is killing the game. I
love yeah, go ahead, thank thank you, stephen A Upan.
(32:45):
That's our guy. We love him, we love him. That's
our guy. And you know it was really it was
a great gesture by him. But I mean, hey, brothers
are making money. Now, I'm like, okay, yeah, he can
afford it, he can afford it, He'll be okay. That
is our man. Kevin Frasier, host of Entertainment. Now, Amen,
(33:06):
great job, brothers, appreciate it. Guys. Bring me back during
the playoffs. I need to talk sports. I need sports
in my life. Here we will do it, guaranteed, guaranteed.
All right, I'll bring I'll bring y'all under the oscars. Okay, Hey,
it's a date. Let's do it, all right, ye
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