Mark Willard and Ephraim Salaam discuss Trey Lance and much more!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Some mistakes are worse than others. I don't think anybody
would disagree with that. However, I wonder if it matters
in this particular case.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Are we or are we.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Not looking at the worst draft pick in the history
of the NFL.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
We'll get to it.

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Speaker 3 (01:01):
Uh, it still seems like a long way. I know,
it's still keep saying it as if it's like it's
I mean, it's cutting down. But as long as the
word weeks, you know, is after a number it just
seems like it's still too far away and not the opener.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
The opener is not weeks it is a week and
a half. Does that feel any better? That feels a
little better.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
A little better, a little better. But it's just I
need more. I need to I need time to continue
to go. I will say college football is back, so
that helps. Indeed, Indeed, Williams, so you know, got a look.
You know, that's that's exciting. That's something. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
I have no idea what conference anybody is in anymore,
and so it's.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
A little bit harder to follow.

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But there were people with uniforms and and and balls
and passing and running and all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yep, I saw it. That's good. Yeah, Aztecs are one
to oh want to know? Want to know?

Speaker 2 (02:09):
And pay the under Because our producer Brandon already asked.
He said, my ass text for want to know? Is
that gonna come up on the show tonight. I said,
I've got it seventy second on my list.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
We'll see if we get there. First of all, if
you're ever doing the show with me, then you already
know the as texts it's coming up. That's just how
we that's how we roll. I just thought it might
last more than three minutes.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
No, No, I didn't think it was gonna come up
in the first three minutes.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
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with that. Ask sex for life, baby, I love it
and I get it.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
And you know, if you're doing a show with me
and there's big news with the forty nine ers, that
might come up too. And so tell me where you sit,
big brother, tell me about this right now, because when
I say some mistakes are different than others, I'm gonna
I'm going to present it.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
In this particular way.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
And I am fully aware that most people will say
who cares? Who cares? But you know how some mistakes
are different than others. And I normally would categorize that
as like, there are those where there was good intent
and you just made a mistake. You stepped on somebody's
foot inside a busy target, and you know they're they're
limping around for the rest of the night. And then

(03:25):
there's when you actually set out to try to deceive somebody.
There is a little bit of that. I know it
doesn't matter to football fans. You either get the pick
right or you get it wrong. But when something doesn't
work out. I'm not going to use the word bust
because it just hasn't. It's not fair yet to Trey
Lance because he hasn't played enough football.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
But when something doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Out with a high, high level draft pick, and this
wasn't just the third pick in the draft, it was
three years worth of first round capital, when something doesn't
work out, sometimes it's because, let's say, JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf,
you picked a human being that wasn't ready that far

(04:09):
the action, as opposed to picking a player that wasn't
ready for the action. And in this particular case, make
no mistake. I'm not trying to say the Niners didn't
make a disastrous mistake.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Because they did. However, Trey Lance has done nothing wrong.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
So much of his story is circumstantial, and we've still
not really seen him play football. To me, it's a
it's a it's a not much, but it's a lesser
mistake than the other way around.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
I agree when you talk about Ryan Leaf, JaMarcus Russell,
you talk about those guys, we saw a good body
of work there. Well, that wasn't it okay? For whatever
reason in Ryan has been open about his journey, and
and and and his demise in the end of his
he's been very open about that. He's healed from that,

(05:11):
and he's gone on to do great things. Uh So
when you when you talk about them, you're like, Okay, yeah,
this it just wasn't was it was too big, It
wasn't for them. Now, we don't know, we don't have
any of that information about Trey Lance. What do we have?
Five games, four starts? Four starts? You know, I think
you know a half games.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Count cups of coffee and and like, oh, he came
in for a play here or there. It might tally
up more toward eight or ten. I'd have to look
it up. But four starts, one of which he did
not get out of the first quarter because he broke
his ankle last year against Seattle.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
One man's trash is another man's treasure. Nothing is more
prevalent than the with that phrase than the NFL. Okay,
guys do it all the time. I remember I left
Denver one of the top running offenses in the league.

(06:09):
I go to Jacksonville as a free agent. Remember, at
Denver offensive lineman to eighty five. Our heaviest lineman was
three hundred pounds. I was, uh, Matt lepsis. So I
go to Jacksonville. They three forty three twenty five. We're
running gap gap, skiing, pulling, pulling the tackle, pulling the guard.

(06:29):
I'm like, this is not it. I didn't fit. Could
I still play, of course, but it didn't fit me.
I couldn't be who I needed to be. Two years later,
I go to to to Houston and they have the
Denver style offense, and so it I just was able

(06:53):
to get back to what I was and went on
to you know, have just be who I am as
a player and developing the player I needed to be.
We don't know who Trey Lance is, what he can
and can't do. He hasn't had enough of a sample size,
and a lot of it is he hasn't played a
lot of football due to injuries and opportunities. So now

(07:16):
I think this trade was a beautiful thing for him.
I think it was tremendous. He can get from under
that cloud and the expectations and the bust talk, and
now he can go somewhere and start over.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Well, I agree with just about everything you said. I
do have questions.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Your eyebrows had to go up when it was Dallas.
I mean, come on, man, not only because it's Dallas
and so your eyebrows always go up, but it's Dallas
who you could argue, not only do they have someone
who is among the highest paid quarterbacks in the league,
they have a backup already who had some success just

(07:59):
last year. And so I look at this situation and
I thought to myself. The Tampa Bay Bucks, I thought
to myself, the Las Vegas Raiders. I thought to myself,
the Arizona Cardinals, the Denver Broncos, the Atlanta Falcons, the

(08:19):
Tennessee Titans, all of these things, and the Minnesota Vikings.
Because of Kirk's contractual situation. There were a number of
teams that I thought, at least on paper, made a
hell of a lot more sense for Trey Lance because
understand this ephrom what led to Trey, and I think
he probably already wanted out, but what led to conversations

(08:43):
this week where Trey was like, look, my heart is
not in.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
This was not being QB two, It was being QB three.
When they announced that Sam Darnold was going to be
the backup. Well, I'll ask you this, who's QB three
in Dallas?

Speaker 3 (09:00):
I think Yeah, that's a good point. I think it's
Tray Lance. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
So if you don't want to be a QB three,
then yes, it's great that you're getting a fresh start.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
But that not the place. Listen what I That's not
the place. This is what I think is happening here.
And we know Jerry. Okay, Jerry loves Jerry loves a
good story. Okay, he loves a good story because he
can build around a story for his brand. Now let's

(09:35):
just say, God forbid, if something happens to Dak and
Trey Lance gets in there and he becomes what the
third pick in the draft should should be. Yep, that's
a story. Remember what Romo? Romo was a story, Tony

(09:57):
Wone will have no business plan in the NFL at
that clip for that long based on how he got
into the league. Correct. Dak Prescott's correct, and Dak Prescott
was a story. Right. So Jerry loves a story because
the one thing he loves more than a story is

(10:20):
talking about that story, talking about the cowboys, right, talking
about how well, why did you make the trade? And
what are you seeing him in? As long as he
can continue to talk about anything dealing with the Cowboys
and the moves that he's made. He's winning and he

(10:44):
knows that formula. Whether Trey plays and does a great
thing or not, he still gets the fire off it.
He still gets to talk about it, and if he does,
it's a win win for him. If he does play
and they do develop him into something. What does Jerry say, Well,
I saw something special when the kid and I knew

(11:07):
we could. We can get the talent out of them
that others couldn't, that others couldn't. That's your story, that's
your headline. That offensive genius Kyle Shanahan couldn't. He couldn't
do it. Yeah, oh oh, it's risk free.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
However, while I think everything you just said is part
of the story, you're not wrong at all. There is
one thing that Jerry said that to me is not true,
and that is that this had nothing to do with
Dak Prescott.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
Oh sure it did. Oh sure it did.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
And we're gonna explain exactly what that is, plus more
on whether or not this is the worst pick in
NFL draft history, because while we just set it apart
from JaMarcus Russell and Ryan, there's something that this trade
involved that those picks did not so all of that
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Speaker 3 (14:08):
I just want to say before we put go for it,
my wife. My wife was in that video. Lose your breath.
Oh damn. Yeah, she was on tour. She was on
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if you if you remember that video, they were dancing
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in that video. Just to throw that out there, just
the least low key flex I think I ever heard.
Hey man, we all had choices, but we all had choices. Man,
my man, I'm not I'm not against it. Just you know,
my boo boo right there, all right, carry on, my boo.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
That's it started like it started when she was in
the video and then it ended with because she looks
like Beyonce.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
No, it's just you know, they had to double themselves
and yeah, I got you, you know, I got you.
I mean she's a little bit taller than Beyonce. She's
five eleven, but Beyonce looks like her. I'll get out
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(15:24):
the internet is alive. You can google anything you need
to know, so yes you can. I let the people,
and I let the people answer that.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
I think when Steve de Seger starts talking, I might
But anyway, anyway, anyway, put aside the Dak Prescott part
of this for just a second, and let me ask
you this because actually, of course, when Trey Lance got
traded to the Cowboys, a lot of the sports sites.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
Went out and did this.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Okay, let's rank the top ten worst draft picks of
all time, because no matter if Trey Lance ever becomes
good or not, forty nine Ers didn't get it. So
their number three overall pick, they got four starts.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
That's what they got.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
And so from the forty Niners standpoint, the pick is
a bust. Not calling Trey that, but the Niners have
busted out of this. I'm just looking at CBS's answer
top ten worst picks of all time. They landed Trey
Lance at six, Lawrence Phillips being five, Charles Rogers four,

(16:26):
Achilles Smith three, Ryan Leaf two, and JaMarcus Russell won. Now,
I don't remember exactly how all of these came together.
Some of them were trades, some of them maybe not.
But for the most part, these picks that people say
were bus it's just like the team had the pick

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and then they made it and then it.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Didn't work out.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Right, So this is different than that Niners didn't. First
of all, they didn't even have the pick. In order
to get the pick, they went to get the pick,
and in order to go get the pick, they had
to give up the pick they had, and the first
rounder in the following year, and the third rounder in

(17:15):
the following year, and the first rounder in the year
after that, and very well documented what some of those
picks turned into. The original pick they held ended up
in the hands of Dallas, turned into Micah Parsons. The
Miami Dolphins were the ones that were ending up with
these picks. They got Jalen Waddle, they used it in

(17:36):
the trade to get tyreek Hill, they used it in
the trade to get Bradley Chubb. I mean, there are
massive names that this capital helped turn into The Niners.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Gave up all of that to get four starts.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
So I ask you, when we talk about the worst
picks of all time, does this fly by them all?
Because it was actually four picks more picks then starts.
Quite frankly, when you look at this whole thing, you
know what that was an That was an excellent point.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
That was that was very insightful, and it made me
change the way I was gonna answer. Okay, you're absolutely correct.
Because of the draft capital that they gave up. You
have to count that as the the that's part of

(18:44):
of the criticism, that's part of of the the worst pick,
because you gave up so much in terms of picks
and players in the first round that turned out to
be really good players. Some of them can borderline be
the Hall of Fame players. They're on track, but they're

(19:07):
they're they're Pro Bowl caliber players, all pro players that
you've given up to trade away the third pick that
you you know, and Trey Lance, So I would put
him at the top of that list because of the
three that they gave up and him.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
I'm trying to remember if some of these other names
were the result of teams trading up at least that
much to get there, and at least from my just
sort of fast blank memory thought the answers, No, I
bet Steve de Seger will, we'll, we'll, And he's going
to jump in here in a couple of minutes. He

(19:53):
may not even need to look it up. He's that
kind of a brain. But Lawrence Phillips the Rams, Charles
Rodgers to the Lines, Keeley Smith to the Bengals, Ryan
Leaf to the Chargers, and JaMarcus Russell to the Raiders.
Those teams just had that those picks, So sure those

(20:18):
were worst picks because in many of those cases, not
all of them, but I mean you think about Lawrence Phillips,
JaMarcus Ryan, those all fit under the umbrella of again,
you picked a human who wasn't ready for the action,
as opposed to just misevaluating a player.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
But all you did was make your pick.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
The forty nine ers gave up three years of key
capital in order to make this selection and got four starts.
It's crazy. Yeah, that's a return. The return on investment.
I would argue their return on investment is the worst

(21:05):
of all time.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Oh, they bought the wrong stock and it cost them
and they can't even get back what they put in.
So you know, the principal's gone. There's no interest to
your occur it's over to bad stop and the crazy thing. Normally,

(21:27):
when something like that happens in your portfolio, when you
put so much into it, it cripples your retirement. But
it didn't for them. That's the amazing part. All these
other teams, all these other names on the team on
that list, it crippled their teams. It made bad teams

(21:49):
get worse. Yeah, for a decade.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Forty nine ers, the forty nine ers in the Trey
Lance era are twenty three and eleven and four and
two in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
That in itself is amazing.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
That is what's even crazier and obviously the only reason
where there isn't some sort of a drum beat about
the jobs of the management in place.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
Yeah. Usually when you miss on a on a top
three pick as badly as this is and it cost
you so much, then it would cost you your job
GM and coach. Nah, not here, No, Nope, everybody's getting

(22:38):
ready for a super Bowl right here, getting ready for
a super Bowl. On with the seventh round draft. Last guy, Yeah,
last guy in the draft, ready to go super Bowl favorites,
number three in the league. Amazing. Absolutely. You know what
else is amazing?

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Wildest stories? Yeah, I do, actually, but you don't go ahead.
I know you'd like to do your thing.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
I just I'm looking at his face. His face is glowing.
I don't know if his new moisturizer. I don't know
if his hair conditioning. But it's just something about this
ray of sunshine that we have on our team. And
that's one Steven are the Sacre.

Speaker 6 (23:18):
I think it would be a long conversation with sports
fans back and forth. I mean, just off the air,
shooting the breeze about bad first round draft picks in
NFL history, because it's a pretty long list, and the
more you get into it, the more you go. Oh,
like Arch Sleister and Ray Caruth were a first round Okay,
that's a completely different but I did look up Trey

(23:40):
Lance in his NFL career five touchdown passes, three interceptions.
Achille Smith five touchdown passes, thirteen interceptions. Achille Smith, also
drafted third overall, was three and fourteen in his NFL career.
We do have an NFL game going on right now
in the preseason on Fox TV. Houston Texans are at

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New Orleans. Looks like they have just literally as we speak,
thrown a touchdown pass who extra point would make that
seven to nothing on the road. Saints defense back Marshaw
and Lattimore was still out with a knee injury.

Speaker 7 (24:15):
Cutdown Day is Tuesday.

Speaker 6 (24:17):
When each team has to be down to fifty three
active players and then the practice squads are established the
next day. NFL Kickoff weekend starts September second, not that
far away Detroit at Kansas City the first game. The
Fox TV opening games on Sunday, September tenth include San
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they have decided on their backup quarterback.

Speaker 7 (24:40):
And it's not going to be p J. Walker.

Speaker 6 (24:41):
Even though he had two million dollars guaranteed this year,
he has been released and Chicago cut former Raiders first
round offensive lineman Alex Leatherwood. Add him to the list
of first rounders we are talking about. Victor Hoblin won
the tour championship by five strokes in Atlanta, colin More
Kawa shot a third round seventy three in a final
round seventy two, following to a tie for sixth plays.

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At Basketball's World Cup, France was eliminated, already missing a
late three point try and losing to Latvia Today eighty
eight to eighty six in the Major League Baseball Sunday
Night game, it's at San Francisco. The Braves have taken
the lead three to two over the Giants, now bottom
of the fifth inning. The Atlanta Braves are eighty four
and forty four this year. They've won four games in

(25:24):
a row. Minnesota won on a basis loaded walk in
the thirteenth inning, seven to six over Texas. Tomorrow night
in the AL Central, first place Minnesota hosts second place Cleveland.
Cleveland won its game in eleven innings at Toronto, ten
to seven. Seattle won again three to two over Kansas City.
The Mariners have taken eleven of their last twelve games.
The Seattle Mariners are alone and first in the AL

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West for the first time this year, and at the
Little League World Series Final, El Segundo, California won the
title on a walkoff homer six ' five over Curis,
which had just hit a grand slam the previous inning
to tie the game. But the game winning solo homer
was hit by Lewis Lappie six foot one, age twelve

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what in williams Port. He had five homers and ten RBIs.
California won its eighth Little League World Series championship, the
most of any state since the title game was introduced
in nineteen forty seven, the state's first title since twenty eleven.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Back to you wait, say that again, Steve, He's six
to one the digits six.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
But his name's not Danniel Monte. What did you what's
his name again? He's twelve?

Speaker 6 (26:32):
Name Lewis Lappie, hero for the rest of his life from.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Williamsports one at twelve.

Speaker 7 (26:39):
That is correct.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
I did see the highlight and I was like, well,
that's a big kid, but I couldn't tell that he
was six one.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (26:47):
Sometimes it looked like Aaron Judge standing next to Josel
Tuve depending on which base.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Oh, twelve year olds are Oh yeah, I mean I
don't know. You buy it? Is he actually twelve? Even
if he was fourteen, I mean you know, I know it.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
I know it now. If he's thirty, it's like, oh okay,
I mean I mean take it.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Take it from a dad who just had his son
within the last few months.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Fly by him.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
My sixteen year old is now six three wow wow.
Yeah yeah, but he's sixteen. You're not twelve. You mean
college in a year and a half. So it's like
it's a little less crazy.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
But I have a twelve year old and I'm six acre.
My wife is five eleven. He's not six' one. No. Yeah, whoa,
that's a big boy. That's a big boy right there.
We're live in the ti rag dot com studios. Thanks Steve.

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we've been talking about the Trey Lance situation from the
forty nine ers angle. What about the Dallas Cowboys now?

(28:13):
Jerry Jones, as you would actually expect him to do,
came out and said he did not want think about
Dak Prescott's contract when making this deal.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Maybe not.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Dak actually has this year and next year before the
Cowboys can get out from underneath it. So even if
Trey Lance is now somehow a potential future plan for
the Cowboys, it's going to take a while to come together.
And by the time you get there, guess who's going
to need a new contract, not Dak Trey. Trey Lance
is gonna need a new contract by then, or at

(28:52):
least you would have to pick up his fifth year option,
which you're probably not gonna do if the guy hasn't
even played.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
But I wonder if you buy this, Ephraim the.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Idea that the playoff disappointment experienced by the Cowboys and Dak.
Prescott struck a nerve last year when the Cowboys went
on the road and were only able to score twelve
points against those same San Francisco forty nine ers and
had another playoff exit a little bit earlier than Jerry

(29:27):
wants at minimum, do you buy that they're sending Dak
a message they would like Dak to be a little
bit less comfortable with his current situation his future situation
because the message is, Dak, you're good, but it's not

(29:49):
good enough.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Everything is a message, especially when dealing with Jerry Jones.
Oh no, I didn't think of no. Yeah, But you know,
actions speak louder than words, so you can tell us
you weren't thinking about that or whatever you're you know,

(30:13):
giving out to the media. But the reality of it is,
you would have to if you're going to bring someone
as high profile as Trey Lance, whether he's played or not,
he was still the third pick in the draft into
your quarterbacks room, you have to look at all of
the areas that will be talked about. You will have
to look at the contracts and run the numbers with

(30:38):
with everybody, right like, what does it look like? What
can we do? What should we do? When is this?
When do we have to do something? So all of
those things are things that are on the table, So
you can't tell us, no, it didn't. We didn't think
about that at all. It's not true. So I don't
know how it's going to play out, but I do

(31:01):
know that I'm sure Dak Prescott didn't like it. Now
he can shrug it off like it is what it is,
but it's still a third pick in the draft. There
is value there. This wasn't a sixth round draft pick,
our seventh round draft pick. This was somebody who was

(31:24):
who a team moved up to get. And so however
it works out and Dallas are if he ever does
play for Dallas, it's interesting to me. It's interesting to
see just what Jerry is thinking about here.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah, like I said this, I mean and we were
on the air as this broke four o'clock hour Friday,
right in the middle of our show, talking about whether
or not the forty nine ers should or even had
to trade trade lance. And you know, one of those
moments I'll never forget it. Producers jump up in the
ear and they go they go schefter, shefter, you know,

(32:09):
and then you know Pellisera or all the NFL reporters, right,
Rap Report and Glazier hit them all.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
And what they're telling me is go look at Twitter,
go look at the Internet.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
And I knew when they said that a trade had
gone down. What shocked me is when I got there
and I.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
Went Dallas, the Dallas Cowboys that was not on my.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
List of ten teams that made sense as destinations for
Trey Lance and trade partners for the forty nine ers.
By the way, that's another aspect of right. That's another
aspect I'd love to discuss, which we can do. Coming
up next with E from Salama, Mark with It. It's
Fox Sports Radio Live, Tyraq dot Com Studios.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
It's Mark with a. E from Salam.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
You said everything with Jerry Jones is messaging, and I
actually think it goes well beyond Jerry Jones. There's messaging
in everything the forty nine ers. Same as when they
got rid of Jimmy Garoppolo, if and when they ever did,
I still don't even know if I believe it. But

(33:25):
when they move on from these quarterbacks, like when they
moved up to get Trey Lance, the message was, well,
we need a quarterback who can can stay healthy. It's like, sure,
it's a kind way of saying we're moving on from
Jimmy because we don't think he's the right quarterback for us.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
It's not that the messaging they're using is untrue.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
I just find it to only be one of the
reasons they're moving on, and there were many. They were
frustrated with some of the things that Jimmy did on
the field. I think off the field, he and Kyle
Shanahan were having a hard time. They also wanted a
quarterback on a rookie deal so they could spend a
bunch of money on some of these other young stars
who were budding at the time. It's exactly what they did.

(34:12):
It's now well documented. Same thing here. They're going to
tell you, well, we're a championship level team who just
doesn't have time for a project like Trey Lance. We
thought maybe he would develop quicker he didn't.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Who knew that.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Rock Purdy was coming, and so we'd like to find
him a new home. And yes, those things are all true.
They also right now at least don't think he's very
good or else there's no way they would have done this.
And to me, the proof in that pudding is that
they sent him to their rival. How many times have

(34:54):
you watched when it's time to move on from a
big time player, you watch the team send him to
the other conference.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Conference, the whole other side of the world.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Bill Belichick took a call from the Cleveland Browns and
they wanted Garoppolo, and Bill went, no, I'm not sending
him to the Browns. I'm not having this guy beat me.
You're going to the forty nine ers. I also think
he was doing Jimmy a solid because he's, like Kyle Shanahan,
knows more about football than the people running the Browns.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
So there are.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Multiple reasons all going on at once. I think the
Niners like Trey Lance as a person. I think that
they understand, sure, there's still maybe a future in the league,
but if they were really scared that Trey Lance was
going to become a baller, there's no way in hell
they're sending him to the Dallas Cowboys because nothing could

(35:50):
make this worse for the Niners except for that to
have Trey become the future star of your rival and
come back and beat you for years.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
You want to talk about, as a writer in Hollywood,
who's still don strike. By the way, sorry to hear
what happens. Uh. Wouldn't it be a heck of a
story if Trey Lance ended up starting for the Dallas
Cowboys some unforeseen thing and the two meet in the

(36:26):
playoffs again.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Brother, October eight, I've already got the date memorized. If
Cowboys are at Levi Stadium on October eighth.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
I'm talking about. I think it's in the playoffs. I
hear you, right, because now, as a writer, regular season, eh,
but the playoffs, right, the team that put them out
of the playoffs last year to have a redo with
their trash did they didn't want? And now he's the

(36:58):
starting quarterback and he he eliminates you in the NFC
Championship game to go to the Super Bowl. Now, as
a writer, I can I can pin that. That to
me is exciting. I'd like to read and I'd like
to watch that.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Uh oh, by the way, with mister irrelevant quarterbacking the
other Oh.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
My goodness, Oh my goodness. The whole thing's insanity. Come on,
the third pick in the draft versus the last pick
in the draft. Who was right? Cowboys and Niners? Right? Man?
That's must see TV right there? That's some good stuff.
It's some good stuff. But somebody in the NFL front

(37:40):
office right now is going, how can we make this up?

Speaker 2 (37:42):
They're like, hmm, how can we how can we fix
these games? Doc Prowscott's like, I don't I don't like
your movie idea.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
Right at all.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Cooper Rush thinks you're a terrible writer. This is an
awful idea. But you buy what I'm saying. Right If
the Niners actually really thought Trey Lance was going to
become a great player in this league, They're not sending
them to Dallas.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
They're not He's gonna be far far away from the NFC.
And they even had a story.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
I forget which reporter it was, but there was a
story that popped and I this is where my sort
of like cynical brain starts to move. Because I'm not
a cynical person, but in situations like this, that's when
I get cynical. Is like when the forty nine ers
had all kinds of media availability for Kyle Shanahan and
John Lynch last Thursday, and they sat there and went, well,

(38:42):
we really think the most likely scenario and what we're
hoping is that Trey Lance stays on the forty nine
ers and he's with us as our third string quarterback
next year. I'm like, no, no, you're not. That's not
what you're thinking. That's not what you want. You need
everyone to think. I think that you need to tell

(39:02):
the league that. But you're not going through this on
Wednesday the way that you did if that's actually.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
What you're thinking.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Same thing here where they sent a reporter out twenty
four hours after the trade was made to say, originally
the forty nine Ers were targeting only AFC teams, but
then the Cowboys came in and just blew all of
the other offers out of the water. I'm like, with

(39:32):
a fourth round pick, you weren't targeting AFC. You were
targeting all of the other cities that had teams in them. Everyone,
that's who you were targeting. Everyone's trying to trade this
guy since since March.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Oh, man, I hope that plays out like that. You
heard it here first, people, Oh gosh.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
I'd settle for October eighth, like you that it would
be Sunday Night Football week five. Sunday Night Football. Come on, man,
all right, the biggest baseball story that no one ever
talked about happened this week as well.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
That's next.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
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Speaker 2 (40:30):
Well, we were talking about a Draft day trade unlike
anything we've ever seen, and now I think we're approaching
a free agency unlike anything we've ever seen, at least
so we thought.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
So, now, what happens with the.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Biggest free agent contract that was ever to be?

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Is? It's still?

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Speaker 3 (41:07):
Way tire buying should be. Could you believe it?

Speaker 2 (41:10):
I mean, with every home run, it seemed like people went,
forget five hundred million, how about six hundred million? You
know what, Hell, if you're gonna do that, make it
seven hundred forget it man, one billion dollars. And the
next thing, you know, tucked inside of all of the

(41:32):
NFL build.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Up that we hear, So I feel like this story
never really got it to do this week. You just
did it. Man, the balloon popped. The balloon pop.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Because he's still a great player, and he'll still have
a huge free agency, but he's the biggest. But now
he is essentially, at least for now, just a great hitter.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
And that's it.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
And obviously, for those you don't know what we're talking about,
show Hey, o tani a torn ucl for the second
time in his career. He unconfirmed, but seems as though
another Tommy John surgery is on the way, and that.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
Means no pitching for show Hey next year.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
That also means you're not even playing in the field,
as if he even did that. Anyway, He's just a
dh a really really good one, an expensive one.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
But that's it. How's this changed the whole outlook for you?
I think it changes it a lot. I think the
sad thing to me not just about his money or
his contract. I now you have people saying, well, this

(42:48):
is why, this is why Pitcher's pitch and don't worry
about anything else. Oh you see what I'm saying. Sotly,
if he continues at the clip he's on and he's
going and he's doing it, and he's done it, he's
doing it for years. Now we have a new breeder

(43:08):
baseball player come being raised. Now it's well, this is
why when we find a young pitcher, he becomes a
young pitcher, and the rest of the game, the hitting,
all of the fielding, all of that becomes second, third,
fourth on the list, because great pitchers need to just pitch, period.

(43:37):
I thought shoe Hay was exciting. I know, and me
and the rest of the world also thought he was exciting.
Some I'm saying the greatest baseball player to ever play
because of what he was doing. Can you put that?
Can you put that tag on him now? If he
doesn't regain what we saw in these few months, I

(43:59):
don't think think you can, because when you want to
be the greatest effort, longevity has to be a part
of it. You can be great for a year or two,
but can you be great for twelve? Can you be
great for ten? So more than just the money was

(44:22):
lost with this, in my opinion, yep. And it's going
to have a ripple and a trickle down effect throughout
youth baseball and everywhere else. It's interesting.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
I hadn't thought of that, And you're right, that's a
huge bummer, because I definitely thought of the biggest loser
here is not show Hey in his money. He'll be fine,
he's still going to make a ton of money. He's
already making a ton of money. But I definitely think
the biggest loser here is baseball and the baseball fans.
This was a transcendent player. This is someone who everyone

(45:01):
was rooting for, had no hate. It was just like
the most unbelievable thing that any of us had ever
seen on a baseball field. And so now that, at
least for the time being, goes away. I did talk
to an orthopedic surgeon this week who told me the
breakdown of what show Hey could be in the future,
at least in his opinion, which I'll tell you in

(45:23):
a second. But you're right, like there are already in
the minor leagues a bunch of two way players and
transcendent ball players sort of inspire clones. You look at
when Tiger Woods came up to golf, golfers weren't in
that kind of shape. Golfers didn't just automatically hit the

(45:47):
ball three twenty. And then after Tiger had been on
the tour for ten years, he was one of the
shorter hitters out there because he had inspired a level
of greatness and everybody was in shape and then wearing
like colored belts and all fit and like everybody right, yeah,
and show show Hay was that and so you were

(46:08):
going to totally break down that barrier of once you pitch,
you know.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
We're not uh, we're not gonna let you hit anymore.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
And and so baseball loses that going into its future
and that's terrible. That's terrible for the game because it's
a game that's dying for excitement and show Hay has
been the center.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
Of that all year long. Yeah, and it's it kind
of taken new the wind out of the season because
it was must CTV. I mean, he pitches a near
perfect game in a doubleheader and then comes and hits
two home runs the next game, where you see, where
are you going to do? Where? Where can you watch that? Right? Right?

(46:57):
And so now it's you know, I hope he is Okay.
It's tough to come back from Tommy Johnson, well, not
as tough as it used to be, but two but
the second one is different now and you're not having
the surgery right away. You're going to continue to play
out the season that's going to end nowhere.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Well, I guess in theory, why not, You're not going
to pitch in twenty twenty four. So if you're not
going to pitch in twenty twenty four, there isn't really
a rush. The goal for pitching for Sho Halo Tani
is twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
But is he gonna have to have the surgery? Don't
know yet, but it would seem so. So if I
were someone who was thinking about acquiring him, what I
wouldn't want him to do is to continue to bat.
I would want him to have the surgery now, so
by the end of the season when he is a

(47:52):
free agent, we're already in the process, opposed to finishing
out the season, ending on the last day of baseball
season with no fanfare, no playoffs, no wild card and
know any of that, and then scheduling the surgery and

(48:19):
digging into Like to me, I'm like, oh, well wait
a minute. Now, we're trying to get you fired a
million dollars. The last thing I wanted to do is
hurt something else. Not anymore, You're not I wouldn't think,
I mean, what do you think I have?

Speaker 2 (48:36):
No I honestly don't know, because you know, maybe show
Hey looks at this and says, we take a short
term deal somewhere, I take a one or a two
year deal and then get back to the spot where
I can pitch and and we do this. You know,
we do this next year. I think this brings that
into play. I doubt that, but maybe that is the

(48:59):
way that he's going to play it. But what this
negotiation was missing was anything for the team to say
back to Otani's agent, well, now they have it.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
Like literally, everyone was like, this is going to be
six hundred million.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
It's going to be seven hundred million because the Dodgers
and the Giants and the Yankees and the Mets and
the Rangers and the Padres are all going to show
up and just be like, yo, blank check, where do
you want to be?

Speaker 3 (49:30):
Well not.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Now this is the first time where the team talking
to show Hey has a concern and they're like, so
what about this? And so this is why we're going
to knock it down a little bit. Now here's what
the Orthos said to me. He says, you're definitely not
pitching next year, Maybe about an eighty percent chance if

(49:54):
you have the surgery, eighty percent chance you do get
back to who you you were as a pitcher before
the surgery.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
But then, assuming you do, you got.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Maybe three or four years, three or four years of
pitching left. So that ten year, six hundred million dollar deal, God,
I bet he can hit for those ten According to
this doctor, you're looking at best case scenario in that
ten year deal, three or four years of elite pitch.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
Can he be a closer? Great question, that's a great question.
That's a different conversation. Right, say you have him in
the lineup and he's also you're closer.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Incredible, it would be an unbelievable Again here you are
thinking like a writer.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
Again, but I'm just here, all right, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 2 (50:51):
You know, and maybe, but but that's also that's not
going to command the salary of a starter, so that
affects the money. I love what you're saying. I mean,
think of Diaz.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
In New York.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
I mean, if you had show hey and some sort
of an entrance for him for like, yes, beautiful idea
be our DH and our closer.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
It's incredible.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
The specter of what he could do to a ball
game is sitting there every night night every night of
the week as opposed to just once.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
Right, that's beautiful. I love that.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Maybe that is where it's going. But this changes things.
There's no definitely, there's no no question about that.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
Hmm. That's exciting.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
It's exciting, but it's also like a I mean, this
is this was going to be the largest free agency
in the history.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
Of sports, and Baseball needed this and they lost it. Yeah,
you know this, this this December will not be what
it was. And I hope, I hope, I hope he's
okay man. Seriously, yeah, because he is a generational talent.

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Speaker 2 (52:27):
I'm Mark Willard talking it out two weeks before the
NFL season. And speaking of which, oh, Jonathan Taylor, what
does he do?

Speaker 3 (52:37):
What are the Colts? Do?

Speaker 2 (52:38):
I have an idea? I want to run by you
next right here on Fox Sports Radio. All right, It's
Mark Willard and from Salaam Live Tyrack dot com Studios.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
We had a really good.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Conversation about a month ago about this. These running backs.
You remember that, yes, and most of them have gotten
them figured out, not all. Sakuon Barkley's in with the Giants,
and Josh Jacobs just yesterday signs his deal and is
back with the Raiders. Jonathan taylor situation not figured out,

(53:14):
and then others still out there. Dalvin Cook signed, Zeke
Elliott signed, Kareem Hunt has not, and so there's still
a lot churning and burning in the in the running
back rooms in terms of how the NFL values them
and what that position is going to do about it
going forward. Now, Jonathan Taylor's situation is not the same

(53:38):
as Barkley's and Jacob's first round picks franchise tender had
been offered, and quite frankly, they argued, but they really
did not get a whole lot. More like Sakuon Barkley,
the franchise tag is ten point nine million. Barkley signed
for ten point nine million, incentives can bring it up

(54:03):
to eleven, and Jacob's got incentives that can bring it
up to twelve. So it's not like they had some
sort of a glowing victory in this process.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
But their situations are a little bit different.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
For Taylor, what if I argued this, it's gonna make
about four point three million dollars this year, and if
he leaves that out there, he doesn't want to be
a cult anymore. And I understand that completely with the
way ownership has handled him. But if you ask for

(54:42):
a trade and you get traded, you end up where
you end up, And I don't know what that team
is planning to do with you. How many NFL teams
would even offer a.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
Bell cow role?

Speaker 2 (55:00):
And when you're going into the final year of your deal,
isn't that what you want? The more I've thought about this,
while it turns my stomach, I hate I'm not siding
with ownership.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
Here sounds like it and I'm go ahead, But isn't.
But isn't that the best play for Jonathan? Don't get
traded and end up in a timeshare? Isn't your best play?
And I get it.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
You hate the organization and you're right to do so,
and they're going to try to run you into a
wall seventeen weeks in a row.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
But if I'm playing this like a bet, aren't the
percentages most.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
In my favor.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
If I go out there with a rookie quarterback and
try to run for fourteen hundred yards with the Indianapolis
Colts and then hit the open market.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
That'd be the best case scenario for him. Don't you
think the only thing he can control is you know,
how he performs, and you need five off and some
linemen in front of you and some tight ends and
receivers down the field to really get that. But Jonathan
Taylor is a special running back. You don't have to
block everybody for someone of his caliber. He's shown that
since he's been in the league for four years. We

(56:13):
got little banged up last year. But don't let your
pride get in the way of going to get your bag.
And you you know, if you go out and you
have an all Pro year, you will have suitors. But
if you go out and you have a subpart year,

(56:34):
it'll be well, that's why they didn't want to That's
why the didn't want to pay him. So it's really
the only way you can control, you know, the narrative
for yourself. And it's tough. You take a pounding and
I get it. But he's a young running back, fifth

(56:57):
year in the league, A lot of miles left. So
go out there, get all the males you can this year.
Lead the league in Russian. Why not. It's gonna be difficult.
You got a rookie quarterback, sure on you. But he
came into the league and he's dynamic. He's still a
dynamic player, right, yeah, get him four.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
That's the other right, those running backs, right, everyone's freaking
Oh they're getting close to thirty.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
Not this guy twenty four years old. Yeah, and and
so that, I mean, that's half you have to switch.
Sakwan Barkley did it. He was like, look, man, I
can boohoo and haw and him and but I'm about
to go out and lead the team in Russian, about
to lead the league in Russian. Like, you have to

(57:41):
be able to to realize that you have to take
this upon yourself and write your own narrative. Yeah, you've
shown how valuable you are, but at the current time,
you have to continue to show people that. Hmmm, it's

(58:01):
a tough one. It's key happening. There's no dark Henry
money out. Its not happening.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
I think how many times have we watched this, my man,
where the running back and the team they get into
a thing. And if the running back tries to play hardball, well, I.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
Mean, that's the end of that.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Le'Veon Bell, You're a celebrity boxer now. And I'm not
saying he never made his way back to the league.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
He did, but it wasn't anything though. It wasn't what
he was. It wasn't pretty, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Like, I think that's something that gets lost in all this,
and it's unfortunate power for the team, but that is
when you have statistical success in the NFL, it doesn't
always travel.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
So you got that.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
That's another reason why I would say, like even if
there was a Bell cow roll out there, which there
isn't two weeks before the season starts, but but even if.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
There was, I don't know how that would look.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
I know you can put up numbers in Indy because
you did, and I know it's a couple of years removed.
He's had his own injury issues. They weren't very good
last year. It didn't go well, but it did the
year before that, And especially with a rookie quarterback out
there who's got some dynamic athletic ability, but by the
same token, he's going to want to rely on what

(59:19):
he's going to rely on.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Jonathan Taylor, and.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
You don't know if you go to Miami how that's
going to look, because they love Tyreek Hill and Jalen
Waddle and they've got a running back room that at
least is going to take away a percentage of what
you would do if you ended up there. So I
wish the guy had more options, but I just don't

(59:47):
really see how many he has.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
Now he doesn't, And that is also the frustrating part
of it. When you're put in a position where you
don't feel like you have any options, you can. He
can see it. His agents have had this conversation with him,
and that's frustrating. For someone with that amount of talent
to be that special and not have any options. You
feel like you're powerless, and that's not a good fear,

(01:00:15):
and any anything you do in life, in any profession,
you don't, that's not a great feeling.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Well, the other fascinating thing about Jonathan Taylor's contract again,
the difference between being a first rounder and a second rounder.
The sum total of his contract with seven point eight
million dollars over four years, However, he hasn't made any money.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
He hasn't made half of it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Yet of that seven point eight million dollars, four point
three of it is his base salary this year. So
this guy has not made a lot of money and
he's got to go make that money and set himself
up for whatever is going to happen next year. So

(01:00:59):
I hate some of the things that the Colts have said.
You know, Jim irsay is is no stranger to sticking
foot in mouth and and and obviously there there may
not be much in the way of opportunity long term there.
But this is one of those situations where I don't

(01:01:22):
know where exactly Taylor is supposed to go. And I look,
he's not gonna sit the season out. No, that just
that that does not seem like it makes any sense
at all.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
I tell you what, him not making his money and
making a bunch of money. Yet we have a guy
who's made the money. He's he's hit the lotto, he's
hit the contracts, he's not on a fifth year deal.
We got a guy we call MB that's money bags,
and that's one Steven MB. The Seger.

Speaker 6 (01:01:54):
God cure to me is that that was the intro.
As soon as you said contract, I didn't know who
you were talking about. We've got an NFL exhibition on
Fox TV to end the preseason tonight. It has gone
to halftime. Houston Leeds at New Orleans ten to seven.
The likely starting quarterback, rookie c. J. Stroud, played just
the first couple of series, had a short touchdown pass.

(01:02:16):
New Orleans answered with a short tv from Jamis Winston
to Jimmy Graham.

Speaker 7 (01:02:21):
A short field.

Speaker 6 (01:02:21):
Goal late in the first half gives the Texans the
ten to seven advantage at the break. Winston, by the way,
went eleven of sixteen passing ninety three yards and a score.

Speaker 7 (01:02:31):
Cutdown Day is Tuesday.

Speaker 6 (01:02:33):
More college football openers this Thursday nights, including Nebraska Minnesota
on Fox TV eight pm Eastern Thursday, Victor Hoblin won
the tour championship by five strokes in Atlanta. At Basketball's
World Cup, Germany defeated Australia eighty five eighty two Dennis
Shrewder thirty points. US Open Tennis tournament starts Monday in
New York. At the Little League World Series today, El Segundo,

(01:02:55):
California won the title on a walk off homer six to.

Speaker 7 (01:02:58):
Five over Curuso.

Speaker 6 (01:03:00):
Tonight, in the Major League San Francisco leads the Atlanta
Braves eight to five in the top of the eighth
Braves have a four game winning streak on the line.
They've been great this year. Atlanta's record is eighty four
and forty four. Seattle has been superb recently. Seattle won
again today at home, three to two over Kansas City.
The Mariners have won eleven of their last twelve. They're

(01:03:20):
alone and first in the AL West for the first
time this year. In fact, for the M's first time
they've been in first place by themselves this late in
a season. In twenty years, the Mariners were sub five
hundred with their record entering July this summer, since then
thirty six and fourteen. Statze says that's the best winning
percentage by any American league team in their first fifty games.

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After starting the month under five hundred. Minnesota in thirteen
innings seven six over Texas. So while the Mariners in first,
Rangers continue to slump. Rangers in Houston one game behind
Seattle in the AL West. It was Arizona over the
Reds five to two. Milwaukee won it's eight straight game,
ten to six against the Padres. Brewers are first in

(01:04:04):
the NL Central four games up on the Cubs, six
up on the Reds. Tomorrow night it's Brewers at Cubs.
Cubbies won at Pittsburgh ten to one. Justin Verlander got
to win at Detroit for Houston Astro seventeen to four.
The final Cleveland in eleven innings, beat Toronto ten to seven.
Wins for Colorado and Tampa Bay, and the Dodgers won

(01:04:26):
at Boston seven to four. This week, the Dodgers will
host Arizona and Atlanta and all weekend long at Fenway Park.
Celebrated in a Dodger uniform was Mookie Betts, his first
games back since Boston traded him to the Dodgers, and
that's been a while back to.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
You save good stuff haiking money bags.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Yeah, money bags mentions that that preseason game going on
right now Houston and New Orleans.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
I'm about to say so. I would never normally do this.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
I would never do this because this is just asking
for the gods or whatever you believe in to smack
me down. But I think we've arrived now that we're
in the second half of this football game. We have
officially arrived at the time where all players you've heard

(01:05:20):
of and might draft in your fantasy league have hit
the showers for all of preseason, And I would say,
don't get mad at me if people get hurt in
practice this week or next, because that's different. That's these
are game weeks and life happens, and that not my fault.
But the preseason I feel like always brings with it

(01:05:47):
at least two to four like, oh no, that guy's
already out for this season or half the season because
of a preseason game. And that didn't really happened this year.
And I know, you know, I know what happened to
Jerry Judy a couple of days ago. We'll see how
long that lasts. I think they think he avoided a

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really long term injury. I'm not saying that the football
was was injury free, but doesn't it feel like the
quietest preseason that you can remember in a long time
with regard to major players going down.

Speaker 3 (01:06:23):
Hey man, I'm not going to be a part of
that with you, okay, from from we made it. Everybody's healthy,
we made it. Yeah, I'm not gonna be part of that. No, no,
come on, you don't need to be part of it.
Just just just yes or no. No.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
It went well, it went, well, what do you mean,
I'm not doing anything.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
I'm not doing that with you. The preseason games are over.
Nobody broke their leg. That's a fact. You can NodD
you can, you can you can say, yes, have we
gotten to the regular season yet nobody tore their ad?
Have we? Oh my god, look at it? What Why
are you still talking about it?

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Because I already disqualified practice week for games. Life happens.
It's the NFL. Yes, injuries are coming. I'm talking about
the preseason games. I don't know if coaches figured out
how to navigate this or we all just got lucky.
But nobody who gets everybody going in the fantasy world

(01:07:30):
ended up.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
On a cart. Let me ask you something to hearken back.
I'm changing the subject to hearken back to Harkin back
at the beginning of of you know, preseason, and we
were talking about the running backs in Saquon and New
York and I was like, what are they gonna do right?

(01:07:52):
That offense is him? And you were like, well, you
know they got James Robinson from Jacksonville, who's a good
I was like, really, James Robinson and he was like yeah,
so that he'll be able to come in. Guess what what?
You don't even know, do you? The Giants cut James Robinson.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
That boy carried the ball from five five yards to
carry just yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Just letting you know when you were doing all that
hollow ballooin and I'm like, yeah, that sounds great and
all that. But he's not saying hold on, he's not
say Kwan Barkley and he can't come in. Yeah, but
what you were saying was, well they they'll be fine.
They have James Robinson. Well now they don't'll be fine. No,

(01:08:41):
that's not what I said, they'll be fine. I did
not say there wasn't a drop off. My argument, which
still stands, can't stand.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Of course it can't, because we just had this conversation
about Jonathan Taylor and Jacobs and Barkley showed up because
somebody gave them a nickel more than they would have
gotten if they had just cowered in the beginning. Like
these teams are saying, there is no marked improvement that
is assured by having an elite running back, and we

(01:09:13):
can still survive by committee or by having somebody run
for four point two yards of carry instead of four
point five. James Robinson's gonna get picked up, by the way,
But anyway, you get what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
Yeah, I get what you say. He's gonna get picked up,
but you're doing right. I just want you to know, like,
who's who's starting for the Colts.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
Who's just starting running back? I don't know either. I
don't know either, but it'll be somebody and they won't
go on in seventeen and they're not trying to win anyway.
The Giants were gonna win the Super Bowl with or
without Saquan, So that's all I was getting.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
Make it sound like I said, James browb Hey was
as good as say you threw his name out doing.
I'm like, what are they gonna do without? Say kwan?
You was like, Wow, they got James Robinson, who is
now at home hanging out on the street. Yep. The
crazy thing about this time, and they was saying, you know,
they got to cut down what Tuesday? They got to
cut down Tuesday. Yep. It's so sad because what happened

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was initially when I came into the league in years past,
you had it was three cut down periods. So after
your second preseason game, you had to get down to
I think, God, what was it you went from ninety
you had to get down to like seventy five, and
then after the third preseason game you had to get

(01:10:45):
down to sixty five, I believe, And then after the
fourth preseason game, going into that first week, you had
to get down to the fifty three man roster. So
they're allowing teams to keep all ninety plus throughout the preseason.
And think about that, it's thirty two teams. They only

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keep fifty three on the active roster.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
So you're looking at approximately, with you know, injuries and whatnot,
thirty five players per team by Tuesday.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
What is that? That's that's almost a thousand players. Man,
Now that now that that's right. Now, that thousand guys
whose dream was to be in the NFL will change

(01:11:44):
in two days, and some may not ever get an
opportunity to continue to chase that dream. Some will. But
when you look at it like that, it's sad the
numbers are stagged. It makes me feel even more blessed

(01:12:05):
that I was able to do it for thirteen years,
because it's almost impossible to do no matter how talented you.
These are not a thousand, just regular guys from Vaughn's
or ralphs our HTB or the Pigley Wiggly or wherever
you're from in the country, whatever your supermarket is. These

(01:12:27):
are a thousand of the best athletes on the planet earth. Yep,
looking for jobs. That's the part that always gets me
because I know how hard these guys work and I
know how much they want it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
If it does make anybody feel better, Almost half of
them will end up on practice squads.

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
So that's good. Yeah, that is good because you will
be attached to but yeah, no, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
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Radio app. It's not a hold in, it's officially a
holdout and it's getting nerve racking. More on that coming up.
Mark with y from Salam Fox Sports Radio. Okay, we're
live in the tie rack dot Com Studios Mark with
a y from Salam give me the give me the

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art of the holdout, the art.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
Do you ever experienced anything like this? Yeah? You know,
like no, I mean, did you ever even think about it? No?
Is it ever a situation?

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:13:59):
You know, holdouts aren't as common as people think. Oh,
I know, you know. So it's like two players in
the whole league right now. Yeah, eight three. I guess
for the most ar Taylor is that Yeah, it gets done.
It has to, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
So then talk to me about the defensive Player of
the Year and why Nick Bosa and the forty nine
ers haven't figured this out yet, knowing all year last
year that he was about to become the highest paid
defensive player in the history of the game. How like
you know what I mean, I've we've been talking about

(01:14:40):
this all week and I have no idea who to
be mad at because I don't know who's asking for what.
I don't know who's offering what. Without that information, I
can't figure out why this thing isn't done. But it
feels like it should just be a slot, like, go
to the highest paid defensive player, go up a little

(01:15:01):
bit and get a deal done that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
I mean, and you know, yes, it would seem that
it's easy to do that, but in reality that is
not the case. Uh. It's probably because the guaranteed money

(01:15:31):
is probably the sticking point. I would I would, I
would bet so. I think whatever the highest fully like
guaranteed money is, I would say he's probably trying to

(01:15:54):
edge his way outside of a defensive player.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
Well, you know who has the best total guarantee of
any pass rusher in the entire league right now?

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
Who is that? That would be his brother.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
Joey Bosa has one hundred and two million guaranteed in
a five year deal for one hundred and thirty five
million dollars. Not the highest aav that belongs to TJ. Watt,
But the highest guarantee is Joey Bosa.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
What is TJ Watts twenty eight million a year? Twenty
eight million a year, Aaron Donald's thirty one.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Well, I'm only looking at ed rushers, ok okay, all right, okay,
I'm looking at ed rushers currently.

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
Okay, but you're right, Aaron.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
Donald's at thirty one, TJ's at twenty eight. But TJ's
was a four year deal and he got eighty guaranteed.
Joey bost is a five year deal one hundred and
two million, So let's start there. Okay, they're brothers.

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
So if you're saying, hey, I want a five year
deal with you know what one hundred and.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
Thirty thirty two thirty two a.

Speaker 3 (01:17:20):
Year, thirty two a year, and one hundred and thirty
one hundred and thirty five hundred and fifty fully guaranteed.
Like who's doing that for? It? For someone outside of
the quarterback position, that's where that's where you would be like,
hey man, look we're trying to give you one hundred
and fifty million dollars. We're trying to give you a

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hundred and fifty million dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
But thirty two million times five is one hundred and
sixty one hundred and sixty million dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
One hundred and sixty million dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
And you're saying you want what one hundred and twenty guaranteed.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
He may even want more than that, Like it's getting
it's getting crazy to think anybody outside of a quarterback
is making that type of money. So he is the
defensive player of the year, He has more value. He
will never be this valuable, correct and he understands that

(01:18:17):
his agents understand that, right. I don't know if him
and his brother have the same brother, the same agent.
I'm sure they do.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
Well, they've got a dad who used to do this
as well, know what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
So and that all makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
But if when you say it that way, and this
is why I think most fans I talk to immediately go,
what are the Niners doing here?

Speaker 3 (01:18:37):
What are they waiting for?

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
If that's what Nick wants, say yes and move on.
And I know it's not that easy. And the Niners
are stubborn too. They don't want to just guarantee the
whole thing. But does Nick have a right quarterbacks have
started to ask for it and they're getting it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
What if he wants the whole thing guarantee? That is
something that he may be wanting. He won. I wont
one hundred and sixty million dollars fully guaranteed, all right
fully guarantee you the Niners, what do you say, we
can't do that? Why not? And in reality they can
because they are not using that money on a quarterback

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that's right for the next five years.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
And and and in fact, they also just cleared a
little bit over six million dollars Betweeneer's cap and next
with Trade by Trading Trey Lance.

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
That ain't the deal man. So I got a.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Question about all this for you Coming up next, Chris
Jones is out as well.

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Way tire buying should be with Everom Salam, Mark Willard,
who needs who more? Nick Bosa needs the Niners, and
the Niners need Nick Bosa.

Speaker 3 (01:20:41):
The Niners need Nick Bosa. That's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
I'm not even saying I disagree with you, but I
mean I think without the forty nine ers. Nick Bosa
is not he's not making anything.

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
He's not, But there are thirty one other teams that
kindly and happily pay him for his services. So, in reality,
where can you find a defensive player of the Year
in their prime? If you're the Niners, is there a

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line of them waiting somewhere? Nope, someone who can single
handedly change your defensive outcome for the year. If I'm
not mistaken, I don't think there's a bunch of them
just hanging out, correct, So I do not believe. So,

(01:21:43):
so for me, it's you know, yeah, the Niners need
him because the Niners are trying to go to the
super Bowl with a seventh round draft pick at quarterback. Right.
We've talked about how good brock Perdy is. The reason

(01:22:06):
he's so good is because that defense was the number
one defense in the league. Why was the defense the
number one defense in the league? Nicholas Bosa. So yeah,
I would say the Niners need him more than he
needs the Niners because there's thirty one other teams that
would gladly take on his services, right, but they don't

(01:22:28):
get to do that this year. I understand that. So
if he sits out this year. Do you think his
market value goes down? No? No, no, not at all.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
Do you But do you think that he would actually
do that and forfeit seventeen point eight million dollars?

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
Hey, look, man, he's made a bunch of money. His
brother's making a bunch of money. You got to he's
This is not a singular thing that's happening right now.
I understand. Right, It's like if one of the Watt
brothers was holding out, I think they'd be okay, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
I get what you mean, Like Nick is now, Nick
is not eating Ramen, right.

Speaker 3 (01:23:09):
And and and and the the brunt of the families.
You know, success is not just on you individually. Right,
You got two brothers in the league, the top two
pass rushers in the league, highest paid players potentially with

(01:23:32):
the Watts. You got three brothers in the league all,
you know, So it's not it's not the same situation
as if you were just everything hinged on this for
the rest of your famili's you know, generational West type
thing like Jonathan Taylor, bas like Jonathan Taylor, like Jonathan Taylor,

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nothing exactly what I understand.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
I understand all of this, and I'm not even just
agreeing with you. I'm truly actually just asking the question here.
I want to understand. I know that the forty nine
ers love to do contracts their way, and they love
to keep financial flexibility as much as possible. Nick Bosa
is also from the Bosa family. My way or highway,

(01:24:21):
we know what we're worth. We're not accepting a dollar less.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
I get all that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
We don't know where these two sides sit. It has
been completely respectful. That's one thing I always noticed when
it comes to a negotiation, is this out in the public,
are two sides trying to curry favor. Look at the
running backs, Barkley Jacobs, Jonathan Taylor, even Chris Jones. Are

(01:24:47):
you out there? Are you making threats? We talked about
Dame Lillard so much this summer. Are you out there?
Are you going public? If you're public, it means that
private hasn't worked about fourteen different ways, and you're frustrated.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
That's what it means to me. This one has not
gotten there yet. You haven't heard anything. I don't even
know you haven't heard of.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
Right, which is so fascinating to me because of all
of the holdouts we're talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
This is the most important one.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
I believe this is way more important than Chris Jones
or Josh Jacobs or Sakuon Barkley.

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
It's big, it's big, but this is bigger Chris Jones.
I can promise you that you know either one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
But Nick is younger and he's better, and yes, like
this is even bigger than that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
So the silence around.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
It is beyond fascinating to me. And my hope has
been that that means they're there still exists today, some
sort of either respect or progress.

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
I went for the first two weeks of this going.
I don't even think they want them there. I think
they want them to just chill and not get hurt.
But now we've reached the point where the preseason is over,
cut down days Tuesday, They've got a game in fourteen days,
and uh, there still hasn't been a damn peep, And

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so people are gonna get frustrated.

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
People are scratching their head.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
And if I'm listening to you, I guess I'd have
to lean in the direction of fault on the forty
nine ers, even though we have no idea who's asking
for what.

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
It's definitely the fault on the forty nine ers. Look,
they got a break with the quarterback situation. You want
another break? What's going on? Well? But what if? But
but we don't know that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
That's my contentions where it's like, you're going to have
to pay somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
You're gonna have to pay for somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
The forty nine ers track record paying their draft to
talent is fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:27:01):
Right, So what the thing that I'm sticking on is
if you hit the jackpot with the quarterback position, right,
you don't by the time they have to pay party,
Nick Bosa be done. Yeah, this is this is not

(01:27:23):
going to hurt for maybe three more years. Right. So
I'm like, okay, well, what are we trying to What
are we trying to do here? We got to get
something if we're trying to go to the super Bowl
and win the super Bowl, which is the goal. It's
not the playoffs for the forty nine ers, it's to
win the super Bowl. He is probably the most important

(01:27:51):
piece known piece to that puzzle for them.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
Okay, so let me again, Devil's advocate. What if I
said to you that a team with the track record
they have with their own talent, George Kittle, Fred Warner, Deebo,
Samuel and we could keep going Eric Armstead.

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
They pay them.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
They're literally the only one in this era who got
sent elsewhere was DeForest Buckner. Everybody else has gotten their money.
So the track record of quote unquote paying up and
keeping their people happy very very good. Even though Deebo
got a little wonky last year, but then he got
it and he stays.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
People will say, look, defensive player of the Year, whatever
he's asking for, give.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
It to him. Well, what if he wants it fully guaranteed,
then give it to him.

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
All right, let me ask you this, what if a
year from now, Brandon Aiyuk plays for the New York
Giants and this contract is the reason why, how will
you feel?

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
Then I would be excited to see what our young
third round receiver came in and brought to the table.
Fair answer, it's a fair answer. I get that. This
is how you this is how you gm. You're not

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going to find a Nick Bosa, So you can go
ahead scour the earth, right You're you're not going to
go find a young defensive player of the Year who
brings it every game every year since he's been in
the league. But you can go find a third round draft,

(01:29:41):
a third round receiver, fourth round receiver who has tremendous
talent and can develop and become an intricate part of
your offense. Oh, yes, you can. Why do you think
these edge rushers are being paid so much? It's hard
to find them, and when you do, they're worth it.

(01:30:04):
Remember when Sam Donald, I mean, excuse me, Aaron Donald
make quarterback money and everybody was like, what is happening
right now? How much did Aaron Donald get fully guaranteed? Oh?
I give it to you. Hang on a second. Aaron Donald.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
One and thirty nine point sixteen million dollar contract.

Speaker 3 (01:30:33):
But what was the guarantee? Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
That was the that was the full contract, total guarantee
ninety five.

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
So when that happened, everybody was like, uh, what is
happening right now? You can't put that back inside the bottle.
It doesn't go back in because the next up, A J.
Watt I mean T J. Watt wins Defensive Player of
the Year. Oh okay, what does this look like? Nick

(01:31:06):
Bosa wins Defensive Player of the Year. No, what does
his look like? Now? M right? So you, as the
forty nine ers you know this. Now, if you don't
see that type of value in him, which I know
they do John Lynch being a Hall of Fame defensive player,
then you understand what that is. You're never you're not
going to fight. This is a generational talent. Yeah, you'll

(01:31:29):
get some guys who can rush the passer and do
all of that, but these are game When you're a
defensive Player of the Year, you're a game changer. That's
what made Aaron Donald so special because he did it
from the middle of the line, no doubt, very difficult
to do that at any time ever there is. He's
ear replaceable.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
There's no discussion. There's no discussion whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
So when you ask me about Brandon Nayuk, I'm like,
I hope he enjoys the Giants.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
Okay, okay, guy. And as I said, it's a fair answer.
It's a completely fair answer. But if it was this
cut and dry, if it was this simple, well then
why the hell isn't it done?

Speaker 3 (01:32:11):
We don't know, And that's the thing. We're trying to
figure out what that thing is that is keeping it
from being done. Now I can guarantee you this, and
now I'm willing to put a dollar on it. It'll
be done before opening day, It'll be done before the
week of I yeah, it'll be done.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
I'm not I'm not taking that at bet because I
fully agree with you to have the entire time.

Speaker 3 (01:32:38):
This thing will get done. I can promise you that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
Okay, give me the deadline by what Monday's practice a
week from tomorrow?

Speaker 3 (01:32:45):
Yes, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
Aaron Donald's went all the way like almost up to
kick off with one, didn't it and then he won
dp O Y Yeah, likely much ado about it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:00):
Nothing, but it also doesn't make any sense. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
That's why it's an interesting holdout because of actually what
you're saying. This seems like it's obvious it's a hard one.

Speaker 3 (01:33:14):
A player option or something like, I don't know, players
don't get options in the NFF. It could something crazy.
Well answer that like coming up next.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
If he did go full Kirk Cousins and say, I like,
I don't want to know what the guarantee is. The
guarantee is the whole thing, period, and I'm not signing
until you do. If you were the Niners, would you
say yes? Can answer that next coming up on Fox
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buying should be ephrom if Nick went straight to the
forty nine ers and said.

Speaker 3 (01:34:25):
Uh, yeah, I'm gonna need the whole thing guaranteed. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
If that's what he says with regard to this contract holdout,
and you're the niners, what do you say back?

Speaker 3 (01:34:37):
Okay, sure that's it? Yes, what is your alternative?

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
Well, this is interesting the way you're talking about it.
And again I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm trying to
learn here the way you're talking about it. I don't
know why there's a negotiation at all. I mean, are
you literally suggesting that Nick just walks in and whatever
he says, the Niners say yes.

Speaker 3 (01:35:10):
No, no, no, no, no, no, that's not what I'm saying. Okay,
it has to make sense, Okay, it has to make sense.
Outside of his second year, he's started and played fourteen games,
seventeen games, sixteen games. So he's there. He's in four years,

(01:35:37):
three years. Really, he's had forty three sacks, one hundred
and fifty six tackles, one hundred and six QB hits,
fifty six tackle for losses, and roughly three years. You

(01:36:05):
want him for the next five years? Correct, you're not
planning on Yes, you're not planning or shipping him off.
This will be the cheapest time. The money is only
going up. It's only going up. So if you locked

(01:36:25):
him in fully guaranteed for his five year deal, then
you expect him to be there five years. That gives
him nine years as a Niner. So injury or whatever
that is it, I mean, that's what happens. So if

(01:36:47):
he says, yeah, I want to fully guarantee, well we
don't do that. Well, some people are some people's contracts
are fully guaranteed. Does the number matt the output and
the talent? That's what you have to ask yourself. You're

(01:37:07):
not paying a quarterback two hundred million dollars, which would
make it almost impossible to sign Bosa to that type
of deal. Correct. Correct, So you're in a position where
you've actually lucked out because you're in it. You have

(01:37:31):
your starting quarterback for the next however long with really
no salary attached to it. I mean it's not even
it's like a practice squad salary. Yeah, yep, yep, it's
it's it doesn't resonate against the cap whatsoever. Nope. Eight
hundred and seventy thousand dollars to be exact this year.

(01:37:51):
That's it, and it'll go up to about nine hundred
next year because of the league. You know, salary goes up.

Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
Yep, but that's it, and it'll get to one and
it'll get to one point one million by year four.

Speaker 3 (01:38:01):
The year after that. So and if they've won the
Super Bowl, I've been to the NFC Championship these next
two years, you may decide, hey, let's sign this kid
to a deal. But even then it still doesn't have
to be what the market bears for quarterbacks because he's

(01:38:24):
a seventh round draft pick. That's how it goes. Of course,
they can walk up to him and say, we're going
to give you an extension.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
An extension twenty five million a year, takes injury out
of play for next year.

Speaker 3 (01:38:43):
Like right, rockbirdy would in theory four years go out
there and yep, four years, twenty five million a year,
hundred million dollar extension quarterback. Yeah, he'd sign it in
a heartbeat.

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
Right, That's like Garoppolo, Gino Smith money in a heartbeat.

Speaker 3 (01:39:03):
Yep. So when you so and me, if I'm upstairs,
I'm like, oh, okay, well, we have that advantage coming,
which is going to allow us to do a lot
of different things. Number one thing is bringing the best
young defensive player in the league home, no doubt. So

(01:39:25):
one more question on that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:26):
Though, quarterbacks are often tasked with, and this is Tom
Brady's fault, not necessarily tasked with. Maybe that's the wrong phrase,
but because of what Tom Brady did, people will look
at quarterbacks and say, you're the leader of the team.
If you really want all of the best teammates around

(01:39:49):
you to make you shine, maybe you're the one who
gives just a little bit back.

Speaker 3 (01:39:55):
Anybody doing that. No other quarterback is doing that except
for Tom Brady. So oh yeah, I mean didn't do it.
Oh he did not. There are those who have a
justin Herbert didn't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
No, but Mahomes contract, one could argue, is team friendly.

Speaker 3 (01:40:11):
Yeah, but that's that's a different situation. Patrick Mahomes the
best player in the entire world, right, so he's he's
not He's the outlier. He's not the standard. When Tom
Brady was the best player in the world, he wasn't
the standard. He's the outlier. Nobody else doing that. Both

(01:40:33):
of those men have had Super Bowls. They're making more
money off the field than any other player in the league.
So yeah, oh yeah, yea, yeah, okay, oh yeah, yeah, okay, okay,
so yeah we're no, we're not doing that. No other
players thinking like that because they're not the face of
the league. When you're the face of the league, you

(01:40:56):
could be like, you know what, Yeah, I want to
do this because it's more advantageous for you the more
success you have. You remember what Fox offered Tom Brady
when he retired, Right, I do what do you think
if Patrick Mahomes keeps going at this clip. What do

(01:41:17):
you think they're gonna offer him? Oh God, it's not
going to anyone else. There won't be a defensive end
getting that. There won't be a receiver or running back
getting anything close to that. I don't know. Michael Strahan
does pretty well, but he didn't get that coming out
the league. They gave it to him before he even retired.

(01:41:37):
I know, Hey, we're gonna sign you to this, and
we're gonna hang on to it until you get ready
to take it. I get, I get what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
So what you're telling me right now is the only
way that this is not the forty nine ers fault
is if Nick is asking for forty million a year guaranteed.

Speaker 3 (01:41:52):
Yeah, if he's doing that, then and then it's like,
hey man, hey, but.

Speaker 2 (01:41:57):
If but if he's asking for thirty two to thirty
three million a year, which would put him at one
hundred and sixty to one hundred and sixty five million total,
and he's asking for all of it guaranteed, give it
to him.

Speaker 3 (01:42:11):
Okay, give it to him. Okay, it's your best player,
it's the best player on your team. Give it to him.

Speaker 2 (01:42:20):
If I had a baton in my hand right now,
I would look at Steve De Sager and I would say,
give it to him.

Speaker 3 (01:42:29):
Give it to him, Steve de Sager. Here's what's trending.

Speaker 6 (01:42:35):
We have our final NFL exhibition tonight. The preseason is
over in about eleven minutes on the clock. It's fourth
quarter in New Orleans. Yeah, I hear you, actual real
football amazing coming up. Texan seventeen to ten leaders at
New Orleans. Starting quarterback for the Saints tonight was Jamis Winston.
He was eleven of sixteen passing ninety three yards and

(01:42:57):
a short TD to Jimmy Graham. The roster cuts deadline
is Tuesday. The Bears release quarterback PJ. Walker, the Titans
cut kicker Michael Badgeley, the Colts release running back Kenyon Drake,
and the Giants cut running back James Robinson, who was
also cut by the Patriots back in June. Brown's return.
Man Jaquem Grant is out for the year. Cleveland activated

(01:43:18):
wide receiver Marquise Goodwin and acquired running back Pierre Strong
from New England. The Steelers today traded offensive lineman Kevin
Dotson to the Rams. Victor Hovelin won the PGA's Tour
championship by five strokes in Atlanta. Xander Schaffley finished second,
even though he shot sixty two. Today he earns a
mere six and a half million dollars as the runner up.

(01:43:40):
Hovelin gets the bonus of eighteen million dollars today for
taking the tour title, and I'm sure a very very
nice trophy. At Basketball's World Cup, number five ranked France
was eliminated, missing a late three point try, losing to
Latvia eighty eight eighty six. This is France that's gonna
host the Summer Olympics next year in Paris. France that

(01:44:01):
was in the Olympic final against the US just two
years ago and lost a close game there. Evan fourty
eight twenty seven points in today's defeat. Germany defeated Australia
for the first time ever eighty five eighty two. Dennis
Shrewder thirty points, eight assists, four steals in defeat. Patty
Mills of the Aussies had twenty one points. Next game
for Team USA Monday against Greece. Greece easily won its

(01:44:24):
opener against Jordan. The Americans were down ten early in
their opener, but eventually wax New England, New Zealand. I
should say ninety nine to seventy two. All of New
England was looking at Mookie Betts this weekend as the
Dodgers visited Fenway Park for the first time since his
trade to La Mookie Bets homerd and the Dodgers beat
the Red Sox seven to four. This week, the Dodgers

(01:44:45):
are home hosting Arizona and Atlanta. The Braves four game
winning streak ended tonight at San Francisco Giants eight to five.
The final, Arizona won five to two over Cincinnati with
three runs in the bottom of the eighth. I will
say Red's rookie shortstop Elie Dala Cruz today had a
relay throat a home in the fifth inning that was
clocked at ninety nine point seven miles per hour.

Speaker 7 (01:45:08):
One of the.

Speaker 6 (01:45:08):
Fastest runners in the National League, maybe the rookie of
the year this season. Corbyin Karra was trying for an
inside the park homer and was gunned out at the
plate by Dela Cruz. Yet another highlight reel clip to
add Milwaukee won its eighth straight game, ten to six
over San Diego. Minnesota won in thirteen innings, Cleveland won
in eleven innings. Seattle three to two over Kansas City.

(01:45:31):
The win to Luis Castillo was seven scoreless innings for
the Mariners, first time they've been in first place by
themselves this late in the season in twenty years. They
won eleven of their last twelve games victories for Tampa
Bay and Philadelphia White Sox beat Oakland six to one.
Let's see line score for the A's one run, two

(01:45:51):
hits three airs struck out thirteen times, as well A's
record thirty eight and ninety three at the Little League
World Series else Agendo, California won the title on a
walk off homer six or five over Kurras.

Speaker 3 (01:46:04):
How back to you, Steve, Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:46:07):
Steve talks about all the money Victor Hovlin made today,
and I feel like live golfers are like, that's it.
I mean, eighteen million dollars, that's it. That's all you
get for winning the whole banana.

Speaker 3 (01:46:22):
At the end, Steve, who's won the most this year
on the Live Golf Tour? All right, Steve going, he's
gonna find that out. That's this is why we pay
Steve the big bucks. Okay, this is you mean and
you mean on the course on the course, yep, not
not not the guarantees for joint no, no, just just you know,

(01:46:44):
person prize money. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:46:47):
Yeah, well this is part of the problem. You have
to look it up. You have no idea. I have
no idea. And that's that's kind of the point, do
you know what I mean? It's like, you can go
take your one hundred million to join the tour. And
I'm not saying that I wouldn't do the same, but

(01:47:08):
at least for now, it also means you're going to
go play in relative anonymity.

Speaker 7 (01:47:12):
Taylor Gooch fifteen million?

Speaker 3 (01:47:13):
Is that possible? Taylor healor Gooch? Exactly? That's what I'm like,
Zactly Taylor Goose.

Speaker 6 (01:47:20):
Taylor and their season is not done. Oh but my goodness,
I know we got the Ryder Cup coming up late September.
Live Golf still has three more events September Chicago, October
in Saudi Arabia and Miami.

Speaker 3 (01:47:33):
Taylor Gooch, you don't think Rory McElroy is better than
Taylor Gooch? Clean, I think Roy McElroy is better than
Taylor Gooch.

Speaker 6 (01:47:41):
This would just be individual earnings you know they have
that team competition every weekend Concurrent as well. Cameron Smith
about ten mili plus any team winnings.

Speaker 3 (01:47:51):
Oh my goodness, I won't get that money.

Speaker 6 (01:47:55):
Yeah, and every event the individual winner gets four million dollars.
So this is three more cracks at another four milof.

Speaker 2 (01:48:03):
Perfection perfection beautiful. No, but I've seen I've seen this
in our industry. I've seen this in our industry, and
it's it's and it's in all industries right the the
you have the established standard of an industry and they
pay blank, they pay X, and then you have the
upstart companies who know they need to pay more to

(01:48:28):
get the employees to leave the establishment. And so you're
you're sort of offered that that give and take. Do
you want more money and work in anonymity or a
little bit less money to be out in the limelight.
And what's worth more to me? What do you mean

(01:48:51):
you don't have to you don't know who I am?

Speaker 3 (01:48:54):
Well, but no, But but that's different, do you know
what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
Like sometimes that anonymity has a cost to it, or
the other way is a better way.

Speaker 3 (01:49:03):
To say it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:06):
To be in the middle of it all, to have
a platform and eyeballs and ears is worth money.

Speaker 3 (01:49:13):
That's worth money.

Speaker 2 (01:49:14):
To you out on the open market in a number
of ways.

Speaker 3 (01:49:21):
Yeah, But being one hundredth pge golfer, how much money
is that worth to you?

Speaker 2 (01:49:30):
Well, I mean that's you mentioned those guys. I know,
Dustin Johnson and Brooks Kepka went, But why did Tiger
Woods and Rory McElroy not go?

Speaker 3 (01:49:39):
Well, remember they were trying to start that little league
thing right there. But right, and I can promise you this,
if they would have known what the PGA was planning
on doing, I'm pretty sure maybe you might be right.

Speaker 2 (01:49:59):
But at the same time, both of them sort of
made Ah, they made an.

Speaker 3 (01:50:03):
Emotional play, Yeah they did. They can afford that because
they didn't get all the information.

Speaker 2 (01:50:09):
Well, no, it's also because they're already billionaires, right right,
you offer somebody two hundred millionaire, I.

Speaker 3 (01:50:18):
Don't know a billionaire. I don't know a billionaire who
turns down a billion like I don't know, I hear you,
I don't. It's it's hard to find that guy. But
if you really believe in something, yeah, but what if
that's something doesn't believe in itself, which obviously, right, so

(01:50:39):
literally when he turned that down two months later, they
were like, hey, we're well, we're now going to be
It's like, wait, what, thank you for going to bat
for us, but we're actually fine. To me, that's crazy.
I would be like, wait a minute, one second.

Speaker 2 (01:50:59):
I would be but less about the money and just
more about being hung out to dry. Rory got hung
out to dry. He went to bat for somebody who
didn't even want to bat.

Speaker 3 (01:51:10):
For themselves at all. You have to swing in at
the plate and they're.

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Speaker 3 (01:51:46):
To the beginning.

Speaker 2 (01:51:47):
Was it indeed the worst pick the worst trade both
of all time. That's coming up next, Mark with her
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but I don't know, Like somehow, I like, there's a

(01:52:54):
piece of me that almost feels not bad for the kid,
But I have a hard time imagining his sports life
is ever gonna any better than it did today. That
that is one for the ages. A walk off to
win the Little League World Series.

Speaker 3 (01:53:06):
Hey, brother, if he's twelve years old and six to one,
this isn't going to be a blip on the radar
of what he is about to go on and do
in his sports career. So you don't have to worry
about that. This is gonna be a great momentum moment
and to push him into We're gonna be talking about this.

(01:53:29):
If he's six to one and he twelve years old
and he's doing that, Ah, come on, man, you're talking
about him for navy. Imagine, imagine, imagine you know, but listen, listen.
Imagine where Shohey was at twelve and somebody seeing him
be great. Think about it. Come hold on, Deon Sanders

(01:53:50):
at twelve, Lebron, we saw Lebron James at twelve. I know.

Speaker 2 (01:53:56):
But everybody, for every one of those stories, there are
twenty of the most amazing athlete in the town who
never made it because of decisions, because of the mental
wherewithal whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:54:09):
You know, it takes more than talent. Man, you know this,
Yeah I do. I understand that. But it does take talent. Okay,
it does take talent too. The one thing it does take,
it's talent. The other stuff that seems to be the

(01:54:32):
more difficult thing. But the one thing you can't do
is get there without the talent. You can work as
hard as you can, you can work harder than anybody
else on the planet Earth. But if the talent isn't there,
my friend, you're just a hard worker. Mm hm. God,

(01:54:53):
there is God. There are things called God's gifts. Six
one at twelve years old. That is a gift from
God because that puts you in the you're not even
in the ninety nine, but you're in the one hundred
percentile of human beings on the planet Earth, all seven
and a half billion of them.

Speaker 2 (01:55:19):
Was this the one hundredth percentile of bad draft picks
two and a half years ago by the forty nine.

Speaker 3 (01:55:28):
Ers, Yes, Is this the one? This is the one.
This is the one they're going to be laughing about
because it didn't affect them, which is crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:55:39):
Good, that's even crazier. That's even crazier than messing up
a draft pick. Good and I just when we have
this conversation, it's not it's not for clickbait, it's not
for bluster, it's not for hyperbole. But as everybody lists
the craziest and most unforeseen draft picks that didn't work out,

(01:56:04):
they're forgetting that the forty nine ers gave up the
following year's first round and the following year after that
first round, all of that a third round or two
simply to move up nine spots and.

Speaker 3 (01:56:25):
Take a player who started four games for.

Speaker 2 (01:56:28):
Them started four games for them, and oh, by the way,
they won two of them, and one of the ones
that they won was the one he left about nine
minutes in. It's just unbelievable. And as you just pointed out,

(01:56:48):
it is even crazier that this situation comes to a
close on Friday, and two weeks from today, the forty
nine ers will take the field as the favorites to
win it all.

Speaker 3 (01:57:04):
Now, that is pulling a rabbit out of your head.
That is some stuff right there.

Speaker 2 (01:57:11):
I mean, what would you even take like the fan
basis is half of them are like, look, it happened,
but we're about to have this cool year. Let's go.
And the other half can't get by it. They're stuck,
they're mad, right.

Speaker 3 (01:57:26):
I promise you they'll get by it as these wind
totals go up. Well yeah, and we're mid season and
they're sitting right around seven and two or somewhere in there.
They're not gonna be thinking about Trey Lanes. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:57:39):
But you hear people even in the media, Ryan Clark,
how are we letting Kys Shanahan off.

Speaker 3 (01:57:45):
The hook because they're winning? What do you like? What
are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:57:49):
What? My question is, what does that even mean? What
is leaving them on the hook? Look, like, what are
you asking for? An apology? A firing? What exactly is
it that is supposed to happen? And by the way,
his press conference after their game Friday night almost.

Speaker 3 (01:58:12):
Did sound like an apology.

Speaker 2 (01:58:16):
He stood in front of a microphone and said, I
feel like I let Trey Lance down. That's as much
of an apology as you're going to get.

Speaker 3 (01:58:26):
And now move on, so much account as much accountability
as you're gonna get, right, Yep, time to move on.

Speaker 2 (01:58:36):
They won't do that. Not not how the internet works
in twenty twenty three.

Speaker 3 (01:58:41):
Hey man, you keep winning, they will move on, I
promise you. And if they don't, who cares? What's funny? Well? Right,
who cares? Well?

Speaker 2 (01:58:51):
Who cares? The Niners fans care? But the point is,
is it a fair point?

Speaker 3 (01:58:58):
Your fans just want to win. They don't care or
whose quarterback or what draft pick they came in. They
they just want to win, period, first round, last round,
no round, I don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:59:13):
Next week is our last show where we won't won't
have football that day.

Speaker 3 (01:59:18):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (01:59:19):
Okay, we got one more big man and then we're
gonna get after Mark with it from salam everybody have
a really good night,

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