Brian Noe and Veejay Huskey talk WNBA All Stars and Ryan Day!

Brian Noe and Veejay Huskey talk about the WNBA All Star game, whether the men’s side should adopt that style, thoughts on the Bears win total this season, what Ryan Day needs to do to keep his job if Ohio State falters through various scenarios this season, Fox Sports Radio NFL Insider Adam Caplan stops by the show, which NFL coaches are on the hottest seats possible this year, top 10 (and a little bottom 10) QBs in the NFL, and more!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Yikes. We will get to that momentarily.

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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Husky.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Good to be with you again, man, I'll tell you
this right off the top. Team USA not the greatest
day on Saturday. So it started off you had on
the men's side, Team USA in an Olympic tune up
a friendly against South Sudan. Team USA favored by forty

(00:46):
three and a half. They won by one, they fairly
won by one point. And then the nightcap you saw
Team USA on the women's side, they went up against
the WNBA All Stars and they got smacked around, VJ.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
They lost the game outright.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
So the men barely beat South Sudan, and the Team
USA women they lost to the WNBA All Stars.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Not great, not great for a Team USA yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Not great? Man.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
First of all, my man, Brian, don't you know no good?
What's up?

Speaker 5 (01:18):
Player?

Speaker 4 (01:18):
How you doing, man, Listen, I'm excited. Listen.

Speaker 6 (01:21):
I was texting you at the crack of dawn this morning.
How excited I was the talk some football. I gotta
say this, man, for the fans and for all the
people out there. You my friend, along with Bernie Fratto,
you guys are probably my two favorite gentlemen to talk
just like strictly football with. We've done a ton of
shows together, you and I, Bernie and I. I call
in on his show. It gives me a segment over

(01:42):
there from time to time. So I'm super, super excited.

Speaker 5 (01:45):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
It's great to be here.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
As far as Team USA, I saw your.

Speaker 6 (01:48):
Tweet yesterday that that All Star Game was is exciting
as any NBA All Star game that you've recently seen.
And you know what being I'm.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
With you, bruh.

Speaker 6 (02:01):
Martin now and I are sitting here watching the game
during our show Martin and VJ that's here on Saturdays yesterday,
and during the commercial break we're just like ooh and
ah and oh my god. Like the moves, the intensity,
pushing falling forearms, girls flopping, talking trash.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
You know.

Speaker 6 (02:17):
Diana Tarassi gets to and one says a little something
to the young lady and then gets with her team
is it's it's even her post game in the middle
of the court that's now out there, and you know,
as they were getting the winning team was getting you know,
the celebratory all, you know, handshakes and they're setting up
the trophy table and all of that. Diana Tarassi sticking
her nose in there with her teammates like, hey, this
is this is unacceptable, you know.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
And it was a great game. It's what all Star
games should be.

Speaker 6 (02:43):
And I'm gonna tell you something, man, the women's basketball,
not the WNBA women's basketball is officially on the map.
Like that was a great contested basketball game and we
needed it coming off from what we saw with Team
USA and South to Dan winning by one point yesterday.
Saw yeah, man, opposite ends of the spectrum for both

(03:04):
programs right now heading into the Olympics.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Well, that was the thing on the ladies' side the
game last night. It was fantastic. That's basically their version
of the All Star Game. It's a much different format
where it's Team USA the Olympians going up against Team WNBA,
the All Stars that didn't make the Olympic team, and
so all those girls have something to prove. It was

(03:27):
a great format. They've used this before, so I love
the format. And you're right, like both teams cared, they
played real defense, they were following following each other. It
was a legit competition. Yeah, And I started thinking why
why don't we have that in the NBA? And I
came up with three reasons, fij I think you'll agree

(03:48):
with all of them, but I want you to pick
out what you think is the biggest reason why. So
think about what you saw last night on the lady
side and what you don't see in the NBA All
Star Game. Why you saw so much competitiveness last night.
One the money, I mean, think about Alicia Gray. She
won a night before, she won the skills competition and

(04:11):
she won the three point Contest. She walked away with
about one hundred and ten thousand dollars. She makes one
hundred and eighty five thousand dollars for the entire season. Like,
that's more than half what she earned last on Friday
for the Skills Competition and the three point contest. So
I think the money not being the same when Britney

(04:33):
Grinder has to go over to Russia, Right, you know,
and it makes some extra cash. It's just different. You're
grinding harder. The other thing is the ratings. The WNBA
is on the come up, and so they are striving
for relevance. I think that matters as well. And then
of course the format. The format is fantastic Team USA

(04:54):
versus the WNBA All Stars. So I think those three things,
the money, the ray, the format all factored into why
the game was so good last night. What do you
think is the biggest reason why?

Speaker 4 (05:07):
Uh, you know what.

Speaker 6 (05:09):
To me, it just felt like they wanted it, man,
just to want just the thrive for competition that we
don't normally see in the NBA nowadays. We see a
lot of load management. We see a lot of guys
kind of you know, you know, taking days off, taking
plays off. You know what I'm saying, Like it's my
dad used to always tell me when this is back
in the eighties and nineties. He never watched the NBA

(05:30):
Brian until the playoffs, and his line was always, they
don't play hard until then. My dad was saying that
back in the eighties, bro, in the nineties, they don't
play hard.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
Everybody doesn't play hard.

Speaker 6 (05:38):
Yeah, your Jordan's and your shacks or your magic, your birds,
your your ewings, your you know, the the guys, right,
Barkley stopped them alone. They go out every single night.
But that's a very small percentage. I just think that
these ladies wanted more as far as the competitiveness goes
the money, You're exactly right, these women get paid. You
mentioned Brittney Grinder, right. I know you're a football story

(06:02):
and I know there's a time you remember where they
talk about Hall of Fame Super Bowl winners had to
go get jobs in the offseason in the NFL, they
had to go sell cars.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
They had to go walk at the player. I can't
remember the Packer player, but after they won the Ice Bowl,
they won the off ball against the Cowboys, he walked home.
He didn't even have a car. I forget. It's a legendary.
I can't remember the guy's name, but just stories like.

Speaker 6 (06:26):
That, you know, And these women have to go overseas,
they have to play in the off season for extra money.
They just don't make enough scratch. You know, there's professional
nine to fives that make more than w NBA players.
So I agree with you on the money. And then
of course the ratings. Hey, let's go out. Let's show
the world that it's not just Angel Reese and Caitlin Clark.
There's a bunch of us and we and we ball like,

(06:47):
we can play this game. We can score, we can dribble,
we can pass, we can shoot. We're exciting, we're intense.
Let's go show the world. So I agree with you,
but I'll add on a fourth just to want man,
just the competitive spirit that I think is lost in
the NBA to an extent, and the women are grabbing
and grasping that because at the end of the day,

(07:08):
for people that goes, oh, I don't care about women's basketball,
you saying you watched yesterday, you care, you paid attention yesterday.
Because as the game got going, it's like, Okay, they're
playing hard.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
There's not a lot of trick plays.

Speaker 6 (07:19):
Nobody are chricking, you know, shots and passes, Nobody shooting
thirty seven foot three pointers back to back times down
the floor.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
They're playing basketball at a competitive nature. So I'll add
that to the fourth. I agree with you three, but
let me get that fourth one in there.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
But that fourth one goes into one of the top three, Like,
ask yourself, why is the one not there. Why is
the competitive spirit not there on the men's side when
we're watching the NBA All Star Game. The money and
the reason why is they're getting paid, they're fat, they're spoiled.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
That's the bottom line. That's the truth.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Man.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
I don't like that, it's the truth, but it is.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
They're spoiled, man, because ask yourself this, if all things
are equal, Okay, we talked about the format was awesome
last night. Let's say the same thing happens in the NBA.
Let's say it's the NBA like Olympic team, Team USA
against the NBA All Stars that didn't make the Olympic team.

(08:14):
Do you think we're seeing the same sort of competitiveness
last night that we saw on the ladies signe.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
Absolutely not, no way, absolutely not.

Speaker 6 (08:21):
They're gonna they're gonna pay homage to, you know, the
USA guys, and you'll get five or six guys back
out and say no, they don't want to do it
because their feelings are hurt that they didn't make the
Olympic team.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
So no, I'm not about to play that.

Speaker 6 (08:34):
I'm about to go sit sideline, or I'm about to
go to Centropei or Cozamel or you know, Cabo, I'm
on vacation.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
I'm about to go do me.

Speaker 6 (08:41):
Training camp starts in about a month and a half
for NBA players anyway, So it's like, nah, man, I'm good.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
No, I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
No way.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
That would be like a glorified scrimmage. Maybe maybe, but
you would have this the end. The Team USA would
be like, hey, slow down, guys, come on, we're about
to have the Olympics here.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
You know what, why so hard? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Here tonight, come on, settled down, and yeah, you could
play this game all you want. Like the WNBA schedule,
it's not as long as the NBA schedule. Yeah, that
could factor in as well. But I think the biggest
reason why you see such a drastic difference the ladies
are scratching and clawing last night. The men they're like

(09:26):
scratching and clawing you. No, thank you, this is an exhibition.
The reason why is because they're paid so much money.
And I'm not saying they shouldn't be paid VJ. I
mean that's what the league generates. They should get their
cut of it. But the byproduct of it is they're spoiled.
They're fat and happy, and they're not trying to break
a sweat and play all out in an exhibition game.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
That's why it's so different.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
Yeah, I'm with you. The money.

Speaker 6 (09:51):
The money that first of all, Yeah, they should get paid,
But some of these contract like Paul George signing a
MAX deal at this point in his career, it's like, like, huh,
what we've seen the best Paul George, we're gonna see
We're not gonna see a better Paul George. You can
see a guy like Jalen Brunton. Essentially, if you add
in all the variables, took one hundred million dollar you know,

(10:12):
reduced contract this year to free up money for the
nickelbocas over the next year or two or whatever to
add big time talent and get to a championship. So
there's a huge spectrum as far as the pay goes.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
But I'm with you, totally spoiled.

Speaker 6 (10:24):
I when I first got into sports talk about sixteen
seventeen years ago, I always said, guaranteed contracts in the
NBA is is gonna ruin the game. The only athlete
pro athletes that should be getting guaranteed contracts are NHL
players and NFL players because of the physicality of the game.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
On your body. They're the only ones, in my opinion,
that should be getting full guaranteed contracts.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Man.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
That's the thing though, is if you're competitive, you know,
if you're an NBA player, I'd be watching the Ladies
last night and being like, this is great. And if
you were an All Star in the last game, I
would hope you'd feel a little bit embarrassed, right, Like
the All Star Game on the NBA side was so bad.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
It's been bad for a while now.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
And if you're watching the ladies, just do what they did,
I think at some point you have to be like, man,
we got to step it up.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
This just it's taken things for granted.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
It really is vj because you're looking at it and
you're like, hey, we got our money, we got our ratings,
we got our relevance.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Why are we going all out?

Speaker 1 (11:25):
And that's the thing, man, that's when you start to
lose people when you take them for granted. So I
hope the men can step it up next year. I'm
not expecting the same level of intensity, but just more.
I mean, it just don't make it a joke, and
it's been a joke for quite a while. All Right,
we got a lot to do here, VJ. Lot of
ball on the docket, huh, meaning football, A lot of
football talk.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Of course, we'll get back to the hoops.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Anything else that is interesting to us or entertaining might
not even be sports wise, you know, we'll cover all
of it coming up next. There is a team that
has received the most bets to exceed its season win total. Okay,
it's an NFL team. Most bets and the betters they
might be dead wrong.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
We'll get to that. He's VJ. Husky.

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Speaker 2 (13:00):
It is Fox Sports Radio. He's VJ Husky.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
I'm Brian though, coming to you live from the Tirack
dot Com studios. So VJ I caught this where bet MGM.
They'll send out these emails with stats and figures and
betting lines and all this stuff. And something caught my attention.
Where in the NFL they have all these season win
totals and the most bets on the over for any

(13:27):
particular team is on the Chicago Bears over height the
half wins this season. Now, you watch the NFL, you
follow the NFL, You have a good NFL mind, many
NFL opinions. Right, how do you feel about the Bears
over eight and a half wins this season? With the

(13:49):
rookie quarterback? What do you think?

Speaker 4 (13:51):
Fools goal? Okay, cools go.

Speaker 6 (13:53):
They're suckering people in like BROWNI is the front runner
in Vegas for Rookie of the Year. Yeah, if you
got some money you just want to give away. Listen,
I understand the pieces that they have added. Okay, I
love Keenan Allen. He made my top ten pre trading
Camp receiverless he's in my top ten.

Speaker 4 (14:08):
He's a veteran, he's steady when he's out there.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
He's just a beast.

Speaker 6 (14:12):
I would like him to score more touchdowns because he's
never had double digit touchdowns in his career, which is
a surprising stat to a fine But you have a
rookie quarterback and when you put the tape on, I've
been saying this for the last two years about Caleb
Williams when you start the Mahomes comparison. See, that's what,
in my opinion, really made people nitpick him, because if
you're telling me you're the best court, he's like the

(14:32):
best quarterback on the planet. Okay, Then I got to
see that there's four bad game tapes that you could
go put on from just last season, back to back years.
Utah slapped him around, they got physical with him, and
he wasn't built for that.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
Roma Doonza.

Speaker 6 (14:47):
I understand why people love him, but just understanding that
game against Michigan when he's going up against two NFL
corners and Will Johnson and Sanderstill he got shut out.
He was completely taken out of the game, going to
gets two NFL style corners and an NFL my defensive coordinator.
You're gonna face that every week, home boy, when you

(15:08):
get to the National Football League, not just the National
Championship game. So those are the type of question marks
that I look at. And then why would I trust
the Bears? Why because they got Caleb Williams Abra flu
should have been fired already, right, So you want me
to believe that all of a sudden, you're gonna add
this guy, add boiling water and some and some seasons
in stir and you got a great pot of gumbo.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
That's not gonna happen. Eight and a half.

Speaker 6 (15:31):
Vegas always has one of these teams men that takes
people's money. This year it's the Chicago Bears. I liked
six maybe seven wins, but that division, Hello, Hello, the division,
the other NFC teams, the the the the Eagles, the Niners,
the Rams. Really in Chicago's gonna make this lead. So no,
I'll give me the under on that all day.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah it listen, it can be done. We saw it
last year with the rookie quarterback in CJ.

Speaker 4 (15:56):
Stroud.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
If you told me before the season they were gonna
be a ten win team. I would have said, what
are you talking about? That's what they were, you know,
so it has happened before. I wouldn't say no chance,
no how that's just me and I don't think that's
what you're saying either. I get what your your position is,
right fools, gold and all that, but it's the NFL.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Right, crazy things happen.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
I would say eight and a half looks very inviting,
you know, where you're like, oh man, eight and a half, that.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Seems really low.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
They're playing seventeen games, But you look at it a
different way and it's like they've got to have a
winning record.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
They got to be nine to eight.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
That's not the easiest thing to do in that division
with the rookie quarterback. And yeah, CJ. Stroud did his thing.
That doesn't mean the next guy up is gonna do
what CJ. Stroud did. And I think Caleb Williams is very,
very talented, But something that's different between him and CJ.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Stroud. CJ.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Stroud's every move, every throw wasn't under the microscope, and
that's the way it's gonna be with Caleb Williams.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
He's just a lightning rod.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
He's a polarizing guy and people have opinions for days
on him, and I think he's gonna feel that pressure
initially in the NFL. Now I think his career goes on,
he's gonna be able to get some seasoning and respond well.
But as a rookie, that's a lot to ask, and
when you're just trying to win games, primarily with your defense,

(17:23):
that is not easy in a division that can put
up some points, right with the Packers and the Lions.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
So I would look to the under on that one.
I put it this way, VJ.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
I would not be running to the window like the
rest of the betters saying give me over eight and
a half for the Bears. I see it going the
other way.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
Yeah, also too here let me just throw this out here.

Speaker 6 (17:42):
So they open up in a regular season with the Titans,
right then at the Texans loss at the coach loss
home against the Rams, loss home against the Panthers. I'll
give him that one home against jasguar fifty to fifty
game at Washington that's October twenty seventh, who knows at
that point, right, But then at the Cardinals, and then
of course they have there at road games in the division,
so they have to go to the Packers, to the Vikings,

(18:02):
to Detroit, right, they go to the Niners also, and
the Seahawks coming in. They finish up at the Packers.
Their last five are Lions, Niners, Vikings, Lions, Seahawks, Packers.
And somebody's telling me they're squeezing nine or ten wins
out of that schedule. Okay, good luck, go yeah, go
put your then go put your money.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Not you.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
I'm just saying I'm speaking to the fans out there.

Speaker 6 (18:22):
Anybody that feels this, anybody that wants to debate this,
don't debate it.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
Go put your money on the over.

Speaker 6 (18:26):
Then if you're that confident, like I said, they won
seven games last year, I think six or seven would
be an ok season for a rookie quarterback with a
head coach that's in flux. Our front off is no
one trusts, and one of your main targets is another
rookie receiver. That's a learning curve too. Every receiver can't
come into the league real quick. No, there's always a
rookie class of receivers where one guy just doesn't pan

(18:48):
out over like the last eight or nine years, We've
had some great rookie class of receivers, like four and
five guys that go on the top and a twenty
five to twenty six picks. But there's always a guy
it's like, Wow, what happened here? Remember Terras Marshall from LSU.
He was there with Justin Jefferson. He was there with
Jamar Chase. He was gonna be a guy too. Now,
I know he's in Carolina and there's a lot going
on there, but even when you put the tape on

(19:09):
and watch him, it's like, this guy just might not
be in NFL. He might not be an NFL receiver,
even with the bad talent around him. I'm watching you
on routes. I'm watching you give up on routes. I'm
watching you drop balls. That's got nothing to do with
the talent around you. I just state roam with dunes
that once again, when I put the tape on, when
he lines up against guys that play on Sunday, he's

(19:29):
not the same. He's not the same guy. When Devonte Smith,
when you line him up in the SEC, oh, he
just went out and won the Heisman with eighteen hundred yards.
Then he comes in the NFL and he can't be covered.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (19:40):
It's like you see it on tape. It's not always
just by name, but that schedule. Man, you look at
those road games, even the Jazz coming in it's a
home game. But what if the Jacks bounce back this year?
People think, so, they gave him fifty They gave Trevor
Lawren's fifty five million dollars, so they think that they
had just kind of an off year. And people have
to remember at one point they were the number one
seed in the AFC. Last year, they were rolling like
the Eagle than the NFC, and then it just fell

(20:01):
apart for them. That doesn't happen. They're a team coming
into your stadium in October. They're they're rolling man Lawrence.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
Travis DTNN Doug Peterson at the head coach position. It's yeah,
like I said, just give me the under on the Bears.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Okay, let's look at a team that has the most
under tickets, right, the most bets on this team to
go under.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
And I disagree with this also.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Okay, it's the Dallas Cowboys under VJ under nine and
a half. Now here's my spiel on this Okay, I
think there's a difference between how.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
It feels and how it is.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Yeah, I get how it feels with the Cowboys, where
it's like, man, the playoffs roll around and they don't
do anything. It's been since what the mid nineties, since
they were making deep playoff runs.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
I get that.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
You're not gonna be all like warm and fuzzy about
the Dallas Cowboys heading into the twenty twenty four season.
I get that, But you look at this VJ. They've
won twelve games each of the last three years. Yes,
the nucleus is still there. You might not love Dak,
but the dude puts up numbers. He's productive. Match with
Ceedee Lamb and Micah Parsons on the other side, and

(21:13):
you get Trayvon Diggs back this season, who missed pretty
much all the last season.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Like, I get why you don't love.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Them, but under nine and a half, they've won twelve.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
They won twelve last season.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Yeah, do you think that they're roster wise, they're three
wins worse. They lost that much talent, Like, you never
know what the injury bug, maybe they get hit, there's
some bad luck. It could go south, but I would
not bet on the under nine and a half for
the Cowboys this season.

Speaker 6 (21:42):
Insanity, right, the definition doing the same thing and expecting
a different result. In the last two years, the Cowboys
were my team picked to like fall off the map,
oh exactly. And I was telling Martin about three weeks ago, Hey,
you know, three thirst times the charm, maybe it'll cash
this year. I'm starting to back off of that because

(22:02):
I'm listening to like you said, I'm trying to get
rid of the noise, right, because the Cowboys bring a
lot of noise. A lot of people on already over
a lot of people on TV talking about the Cowboys,
and it's all negative, right, so you kind of feed
into that.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
What you ingest is where your brain's gonna go. But
you're right.

Speaker 6 (22:16):
That is a certified forty five hundred quarterback, right, forty
five hundred yards, thirty six touchdowns. He threw nine interceptions
last year. People talk like, yo, Dak can't get it.
Thirty six to nine. He's under ten interceptions. That's a
lot less than some of the quarterbacks that are rated
above Josh Allen through eighteen two of my guy ooh ooh,
so he threw fourteen Like there's that takes care of

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the ball.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
We're just left with that Packer game. That's who we're
left with. It is it is human nature to reflect
on what you last saw and what your last heard. Right.

Speaker 6 (22:48):
They teach me that in therapy, and their schedules not kind.
Though they have the Ravens.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
They open up with the Saints.

Speaker 6 (22:53):
They got the Lions. Lines are tough. They have to
go back to San Franz. We know what happened out
there last year. We know about the division games. I
think the division gonna be that great. They got the Bengals,
but that game's at home. They got the Bucks. I
think the Bucks will be tough this year, but that
game's at home. They don't really have a schedule. I
look at and go, man, where's that run that they
can kind of fall up or trip up? Other than
the Eagles in their division? Man, I think it's them

(23:13):
in the Eagles. But I'm with you, man, the yeah
give me the over on this. I'm backing off to
I'm not gonna make the same mistake I made the
last two years.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
Just to try to prove a point.

Speaker 6 (23:22):
I would go the over on the Cowbys because, like
you said, that Nucleus is still there now. Yesterday they
said they're prioritizing Ceedee Lamb contract wise.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
I think that's a mistake.

Speaker 6 (23:32):
I know they can attag Micah, but I think that
would piss Michael off.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
And I think they can lose. I'm serious.

Speaker 6 (23:38):
I think they could lose Michael because Jerry Jones he waits.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
To pay and everybody's all paid.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
This guy.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
Wait he got paid. This guy way he got paid,
this guy way he got paid.

Speaker 6 (23:46):
True, but those guys weren't the character in the personality
of Michaeh Parson's And he's got a teammate sitting on
a Keshawn Johnson's podcast talking about his check and talking
about his money and where he got prioritized as far
as the content talking about Michael. So I think Michael
is the guy's like, Okay, yeah, go ahead and franchise
me this.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
Year and watch and watch what happens. I will walk away.

Speaker 6 (24:06):
You think there's not a team out there right on
the cusp that wouldn't mind signing and giving him the
bag as a free agent. After that franchise stuff runs out,
I beg to never give me the over rue Dallas.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Real fast, What the Cowboys, is I wish they would
be more like the Lions this offseason. The Lions, it
was just like, okay, I'm in Ross Saint Brown is
a baller, Let's pay you know, Pina Sewel is a ballers.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Pay him.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Like they just gave their guys contract extensions.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Meanwhile, the Cowboys are like, well, we're still trying to
Dodie and cross teas with CD and mic Upart.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
It's like, just pay the guys.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
Don't forget, don't forget Dak. You know, don't forget Dak.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Dak is an interesting subject. Let's circle back on Dak
for a second. First, though, let's work Martin Weiss into
the equation over a part.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
What is going on? Buddy Howard? Thanks much?

Speaker 4 (24:56):
Fine life is good? Whoa both life skin?

Speaker 6 (25:00):
We're both light skinned men in the sports Talk We
are only two light skin guys with a show twins.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Only they're not anybody else.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
I don't know anything.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
I don't think there's two light skinned African American men
with the Sports Hawk show on the national stage other
than Martin Man.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
I mean, Rob Parker's got Sports Rap Radio. You know,
we don't have a tandem of light skin guys on that.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
Think So I think we're underrepresented here, Brian.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
I'm glad you guys are holding it down.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
Yeah, it was for us.

Speaker 8 (25:28):
Saturday is eight to eleven Eastern. Who knows what the
who knows what the landscape. It would be worse. I'll
tell you that it would be worse, all right. So
NASCAR Cup Series at Indianapolis Motor Speedway. Brad Kazlowski in
the lead through one hundred and forty four laps, Ryan
Blaney and Zane Smith and second and third right now again,
that's one hundred and forty four through one sixty and

(25:50):
Benjo Legue.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
Baseball, the Nationals top the Reds five to two.

Speaker 8 (25:53):
That's the three game. Sweet Phillies shut out the Pirates
six nothing. Cardinals beat the Braves six to two. Everybody
hit a home run. It seems like gold. Mit, Burlison,
Newt Bar and Contraras all home for the Cardinals.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Oh there you go.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
St.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Louis Love Huh, let's do it, yes, all the way.
My dad was born right outside of Saint Louis. You
know I had no choice.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
Oh well, you know, just keeping in the show.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
VJ.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
The Texas Rangers beat the Baltimore.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
Orioles three to two.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
Sawid baby, let's go there, we go.

Speaker 8 (26:17):
Everybody's everybody's happy except for me, as the Blue Jays
win with the five to four win over the Tigers.
All it took from me yesterday to say, look, they're hot.
George Springer too, Yeah, I going George Bringer homer twice
the Rays. I'll score the Yankees six to four. Aaron
Judges with a three run bomb in the seventh inning.
That's just thirty fifth of the year. Padres beat the

(26:38):
Guardians two to one. Games in progress right now, Houston
and Seattle. The Amerners with a three to one lead
in the sixth inning. Top of the sixth There the
A's with a three to two lead over the Angels
in the sixth inning, and San Francisco with a three
to two lead over Colorado.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 8 (26:54):
San Francisco beat Colorado three to two. That scored just
updating as I'm reading it. Gotta love it and shot
a sixty five under our six under sixty five in
the final round of one hundred and fifty second Open.
He ends at the top of the leader board nine
under par. It's the second major win of his career.
Justin Rosen really Horsechel tied for second place at seven

(27:15):
under par overall, and Celtics for Sam Hauser has agreed
to a four year, forty five million dollar contract extension.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
Adding to Houser's extension.

Speaker 8 (27:23):
The Celtics payroll elevates elevates now to a projected.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
Two twenty five million.

Speaker 8 (27:28):
That makes them a wow, highest in the league and
over the second APRIN for the second consecutive year. Also,
that's what the Celtics did. The Celtics Alnes did the
same thing this offseason.

Speaker 4 (27:38):
Let's sign all of our players as much money as
we can, Vija and Brian. Back to you guys. Celtics
got that championship though, so they can do that.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah, you know, I have to Martin and VJ. I
have to tell you my my ugly betting situation earlier today.
It's the funny story and it wasn't for amount of money,
So it's all good. I've been Summer League, okay, I've
profited heavily off of the NBA Summer League. It is
a great, great little tournament to bet on. But anyway,

(28:08):
what was funny is a little bit earlier, the heat
and the Warriors. They're still playing, so before halftime I
had to bet on the Heat just their first half
team total. This is as degenerate as it gets. By
the way, a first half team total on a summer
league game. I need the Heat to get to forty
six points. They're at forty five.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
The guy shooting his second free throw with less than
a minute to go, clang, we're.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Still in it.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Okay, same guy, next possession, he shoots a three misses.
Same guy gets another opportunity. He lets it fly right
before the buzzer. It's not exactly filled the capacity, right,
it's scarcely attended. So you hear him yell out that's good.
I'm like, all right, let's go clang clang, and we lose.

(28:55):
The same guy who missed the free throw missed two
threes at the end of the first half.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
We lost by a point. How disgusting is that?

Speaker 4 (29:01):
That's brutal. You know what I was thinking of yesterday, Brian.

Speaker 8 (29:03):
You'll appreciate this as I'm sitting here updating the scores
for South Sudan versus US. Yeah, all I can think is, Wow,
South Sudan money line first quarter and first half had
to pay a retirement. But how sick would you be
if you had bet South Sudan money line for the
whole game. I wouldn't be able to show my face,

(29:25):
you know what.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
I'd be yelling that was a foul at the end. Right,
Can you imagine if you had I don't even date.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
I don't know if you even had a money line.
It was forty three and a half, you know, right,
but first half is like twenty four and a half.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
All right, great stuff, Martin.

Speaker 6 (29:40):
Brian, listen, man, you gotta stop doing this to yourself
on Sundays. The last Sunday show we did together was
The College World Serious Game, right, and you were over
there right your nails on Tennessee, Bro, stop doing this.
Sunday is the Sabbath. Grill your dogs and grab a soda, Bro,
and relax. Don't bet on Sundays unless it's football.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
Man, Vija.

Speaker 8 (29:59):
What you don't understand is, and I'm guessing on this one,
but I think this is Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,
end of the day.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Let's go.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Come on, there's money to be made over here. Yeah, okay, VJ.
Husky and Brian know what you here? On Fox Sports Radio,
so VJ Dak Prescott, Yes, we can revisit this, but
the cliffs notes version, this is a weird position for
the Cowboys to be in.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
All Right.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
The guy puts up numbers, but he's been limited.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
He hasn't gotten them to that next step come playoff time.
And so I am of the mindset. You push back
all you want. I am of the mindset. We don't
give Dak the bag here before the season starts. We
let him play out the final year of his contract.
If he plays great, and it costs us a little
bit extra money for a contract extension, so be it.

(30:51):
But we have roster flexibility, baby, And if he doesn't
take us to the promised Land, or at least get
us closer, we can pivot and go in a different direction.
Because we've been at this year after year after year
after year, and although he's good, I'm looking for greatness
and if I don't see greatness, it's time to move on.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
Hmm. All right, yeah, I do push back at that.
And let me tell you why.

Speaker 6 (31:15):
The one thing that I can't do this football season
is just ignored the tape. And like I said, there's
a lot of jargon there's a lot of talk, it's
a lot of stuff that goes on with these quarterbacks.
Do you know how many current quarterbacks in the NFL
have a Super Bowl ring right now?

Speaker 4 (31:30):
Four? Four, A Rod Mahomes, Russ Stafford. That's it.

Speaker 6 (31:36):
We got to get in that exactly, exactly we got
to They gotta pay him. But this idea that we
will they haven't won. Are they having this or has
it taken us to the promised land? Or said, okay,
well you don't have one of those other four and
A Rod's done winning and Russ is done winning.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
Stafford may be done too. Everybody's chasing Mahomes.

Speaker 6 (31:55):
So you know, Jalen Hurts got to one, Lamar got
to an AFC championship game, Burrow got to one. Stafford
got to got to one. Stafford won his This idea that, oh,
don't pay him, let him play out this contract, all right, cool,
go ahead and do that.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
What if Dak walks? What do you do now?

Speaker 6 (32:12):
Now you're in scramble mode? Okay, what if there's not
a vent that's gonna be on the market. What if
there's not a trade to be made, and what if
your backup is not gonna be the guy to do
the job, and he's definitely not gonna be the guy
that Dak was. There's a reason why you're a backup
quarterback in the NFL. There's a reason for that. If
you were that good, you'd be starting somewhere because there
aren't thirty two really good starting quarterbacks. So think about

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being a backup on like a two and a three
win team. You can't even start for this team.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
You think you can go start somewhere else so they
can play that dangerous game of chicken like.

Speaker 6 (32:42):
The Dolphins are doing with Ooz. But I'm gonna tell
you this, man, I would give Dak the bag. I
would just I'm paying. What else are you going to do?

Speaker 4 (32:49):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (32:49):
Yeah, pay your receiver first? Yeah, how'd that work out
with Emoni, Cooper and Dallas? And that was dumb to
pay him and then we're and then trade him the
way they did. It's like, hold up, bro, you paid them.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
Why are you getting rid? Oh you're trying to free up?

Speaker 6 (33:01):
Oh okay, Well, if you gave Dak the money when
he first wanted a contract, remember it was like twenty eight,
they don't went to thirty four. You ended up paying
him forty over forty million dollars because you waited. Why
because you paid Zeke first, and then you paid Martin
and then you paid your quarterback. In the National Football League,
college football every level, and high school football every level,

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if you do not have AQB, you have zero shot.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
Period. If you got your guy, just pay him. Man,
why are we playing around so you.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Don't have your guy? That's the point. You don't have
your guy. He's proven that so far. Again, he'll put
up regular season numbers and then what has he done
come playoff time? He's throwing two picks on the road
against the Niners. Right, He's dropping the ball against the
Packers and not playing up to what Jordan Love was doing.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
That's the thing.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
I don't want to make Dak sound like a dud,
because he is not. But I keep looking to the Chiefs.
The Chiefs have given us the blueprint. They had a
quarterback who was serviceable, good Alex. I think Dak is better.
But they were all right, they could be a playoff team.
He led the league in passer rating. You could do
a whole lot worse. And they were like, let's not
just be good, let's try to be special. And they

(34:10):
went out there, they swung for the fences, and they
got Patrick Mahomes. Sometimes that's what it takes. I don't
know why we would be holding on to Dak like
it's our favorite blankie and we just can't part with it,
you know what I mean? Like, if he's got the
goods and proofs as such, I'll hold on to the guy.
But if he's throwing two picks on the road in
a like a nineteen to twelve game or what nobody

(34:32):
reaches twenty points against the Niners.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
That's not good enough.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
And you rattled off that list of guys who have
had deep playoff runs and maybe not won a Super Bowl.
You know who's not on that list, Dak, And they've
got a great roster. So I'm looking right at him, like, yo,
why haven't we gotten there?

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Exactly? And it's not all his fault, but he has
a lot to do with them not getting to that
next level.

Speaker 6 (34:56):
Get all right, I know we got to get the break,
but there's something on when we come back and we
can just touch on this if I can just answer
and respond to that, because I have a list here.
I just want to read off a few things to
you and act you with that, with the theory of oh,
he hasn't done anything in the playoffs. I know we
got to go to break, but if we can, just
if I can rebuttle when we come back from break,
I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Do it, Let's get it. It's a rebuttal mode from VJ.
Right around the corner.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
We'll do it.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
He's VJ Husky. I'm Brian Though.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
We're live from the tirerack dot Com studios here on
Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
It is Fox Sports Radio. He's VJ Husky.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
I'm Brian Though, coming to you live from the tirerack
dot Com studios. Okay, VJ, you requested a rebuttal, you know, yes,
and it has been granted. Happily granted over I love it.
So we're talking about Dak Prescott. My my two cents
is he's put up numbers, good quarterback, but I'm not

(35:50):
giving him an extension in the off season. I'm letting
him play out the final year of his deal. If
he Joe Flacco's this thing and you know, earns himself
a bigger bag, so be it. But I want to
have flexibility if he withers again. So I am not
paying him, not doing it.

Speaker 4 (36:07):
Yeah, I'm not gonna blame him for that playoff loss.

Speaker 6 (36:09):
That that was a team effort, that team that he
didn't play defense, and the Packers walked up and down
the field at will against against the Cowboys. Now he throws,
he throws the pick six on the screen. That kind
of seals the game. That looks bad, like I said
it was later in the game. It makes it look like, ah,
that turna ball. Yeah, you're already down twenty plus points
like that game.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
That game was over.

Speaker 6 (36:29):
They were kicking their ass now. Right, My rebuttal is
the reason why you pay him now. And I'm not
talking about sixty million, right, I'm not talking about him
breaking the Baker being the number one paid quarterback. But
when you look at playoff wins, right, current guys active
in the league right now with their playoff win total,
Mahomes at fifteen, eight rot at twelve, I call him
Uncle Flacco.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
Doesn't Joe Flacco look like the uncle that shows up
to the family cookout with his own.

Speaker 9 (36:54):
Hey, yeah, I brought coleslough Yeah no, no, yeah, in
his own homemade beer.

Speaker 4 (36:59):
Like he's he's got his own beer, like a milk
judge that he brewed that he brewed in the garage.
That's when Joe.

Speaker 6 (37:05):
Blacko reminds me up Russell Wilson with nine. Now this
is where it gets interesting. Joe Burrows got five playoff wins,
he makes fifty five million. Josh Allas got five playoff wins. Right,
he was supposed to go win MVV never picked the
win the Super Bowl two three years ago. He makes
forty three million. Golfs got five playoff wins, fifty three million.
Stafford's got four playoff wins, forty million. Hurts with two
fifty one million. That's what two forty million, forty million

(37:30):
with your two playoff wins. If they were to give
him a deal and it was in the range of
even like forty eight, forty nine or even fifty million.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
That would still put him in and fit him with
guys that has four or five playoff wins over their career.

Speaker 6 (37:45):
But the reason why again you give him an extension
is because if he goes in, balls out, and if
that gets in his feelings and goes and says, no,
you should have paid me. You don't think there's another
team out there that won't give Dak a bit contract.
There is somebody will pay him, and now you lose
him and you got it now, Like you said, roster flexibility, Okay,

(38:09):
that don't matter. If you ain't got a quarterback, that
means nothing. If you don't have a quarterback and you
say they don't have their guy, no they do have
their guy.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
That football is a team's sport.

Speaker 6 (38:20):
We gotta stop blaming quarterbacks for losing a lot of
these games, especially when your defense is giving up thirty
plus points.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
That's not on the quarterback. So that's why I say
you give him the extension. Now, don't play a dangerous
game of chicken. Here, Brian and he playing it.

Speaker 6 (38:32):
He's playing it forty five hundred yards, another thirty plus
touchdowns and underten interceptions and looks at Jerry and go, no,
you should have taken care of me. You want to
take care to receive, No problem, Go ahead and going
to pay the receiver. He's gonna be pissed by Week
eight next year because he doesn't have a quarterback to
throw him the football.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Have fun.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
I'm gonna go test free agency.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
I don't know why we're acting like Dak isn't replaceable.
That's my whole thing with who, Why are we acting
like that Dak Prescott. I don't want to make him
out to be like a dozen because he's a good
quarterback and you can do a lot worse than Dak Prescott.

Speaker 4 (39:04):
Is he top ten to you right now? Is the
top ten quarterback?

Speaker 2 (39:07):
I'd think I'm in the top ten.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
Then you got to pay him.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
You don't have to pay him because I'm looking to
be special. I'm not looking to just be good. And
I look at that roster, and I look at that nucleus,
and I say, this is a great spot to go young.
If we're not getting better, if we're not going deeper
in the playoffs, if our quarterback is leaving something to
be desired, If our quarterback, if we're paying him more

(39:30):
than what he's producing, is the pay greater than the production? Right,
That's the question you have to ask yourself and playoff wise,
there's no doubt about it.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
The pay is more than the production. And that's the deal.
That's where I'm at.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
So I don't know why we would look and say, hey,
if you go with a rookie, if you go another direction,
there's no way Shoulder Sanders or Carson Beck or throwing
the CD lamb and having a.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Good nucleus, a good defense, there's no way we can win.
You might actually be better off going that direction and
being on a roof.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
Not twelve twelve, not twelve wins three years in a row.
Hell no, not with a rookie. Come in in playing
for Dallas.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Show me the playoff wins, baby, show him.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
Playing for Dallas with that starring your helmet and all
that and all that pressure, Brian.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Show me the playoff wins in production.

Speaker 4 (40:19):
Show me them and everybody doesn't win.

Speaker 6 (40:22):
Listen, I just read you the list of playoff wins
for the top active playoff win every quarterback.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
It's hard to win in the NFL. It's hard to
win in the postseason.

Speaker 10 (40:31):
It just is.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
But that's why the best get paid the most, you know.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
That's why.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
All right, we go, uh the hot seat right around
the corner, the seat gets a little bit hotter.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Not just for us it's steaming in here, but for.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
These guys as well. Oh, the hot seat is getting
hotter for a trio of coaches.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
We'll have that for you in just a minute.

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Speaker 2 (41:09):
So it was a great off air conversation.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
I gotta give props to our trusted producer Bo Benson
and technical producer Chris Purfett. They were telling me this
off the air, and I let it swirl around my
brain for a little bit, and I wanted to throw
it your way. All Okay, I know you're a big
football fan, not just NFL but also college football. They
were thrown out some scenarios with the Ohio State this year. Okay,

(41:36):
so Ryan Day it's had a hard time beating Michigan
as of late, okay. And a couple of scenarios they
threw out there and one that I pushed back on.
One that I disagreed with, even though these are fine gentlemen,
Bo and Chris purfet Huh. They said, if Ryan Day
loses to Michigan, right it doesn't matter what he does

(41:59):
in the BLAEFS, He's out. And I'm like, I can't
go to that that level right there. You know, if
they lose the Michigan. That's obviously a huge, huge, huge
bad thing for Ryan Day going forward. But imagine in
the twelfth team playoffs, he's maybe they have a bye,
they win a game, they win another game, they're going

(42:21):
to the championship, and all of a sudden it's a
could go either way three point game. That he's not
out of a job in that case, right, he's still
going back to Ohio State.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
No, he loses the Michigan, he's fired, no matter what.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
That's the only blemish outside of a championship game loss.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
He is gone.

Speaker 6 (42:39):
He's gone, Wow, I won't make it. He won't make
it to the he won't make it to the championship game.
Listen about Ohio State real quick. I've been really diving
into their schedule because that everybody, Oh, it's just you know.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
The game Michigan, Michigan. No, they have a stretch that's
gonna tell me all I need to know about their team.
They have a stretch where they are at Oregon home
against Iowa, at Michigan State. They have Wisconsin and then Nebraska. Now,
I know people will listen to the things like what VJ.
Those teams sucked last year almost I'm not talking about

(43:10):
last year. We all know how college football works. A
lot of times, these teams have some down years and
then they pop up with eight or nine wins or
sometimes even ten wins. I was always going to be tough.

Speaker 6 (43:20):
They're never gonna suck. They just can't beat Michigan in
Ohio State. But the fact that this year, with the
quarterback being in question again last year was col McCord.
This year Will Howard to transfer from Kansas State very interesting.
He was not named a starter coming out of spring ball.
Very interesting that he wasn't. And I thought I thought

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Ward would have been a better transfer for them. I
know they were after him, and they were after Dillian
Gabriel too. I thought those would have been better fits.
I'll watched well Howard and okay, big guy. Big guy
was at six four, six five, you know, big strong,
But that that don't matter. Like that, that's not gonna matter.
I put the tape ones he misses throws. There's a
reason why he was playing at Kansas eight, right, there's
the reason why.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
He was there. So that stretch of their schedule that
at Oregon game, or.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
That's what I'm saying. You go to Oregon. You go
to Oddson, you smack them around, you win that game.
That's huge.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
You're eleven and oh and hey man, you lose at
home to Michigan. I'm not I'm not saying that's okay.
That's really really.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
Four straight losses to Michigan and two at home, and
they're not.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
But then bounce back, an you bounce back and you're
winning playoff games. You make it to the title game,
and you lose a close one like obviously if you
want championship.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
But he's fired right after losing with the playoff covering.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
Are you kidding me? With all the talent and they
brought back all the nil money they spending, all the
transferporters of people they bought in, Are you kidding me?
You kidding me? They're not going to outs and and
smacking them around. That's still a talented football team, just
because they lost their quarterback. Dylan Gabriel is a transfer
who's played a ton of college football the big level.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
No, here's the thing, this is the if game. I'm
not calling my shot.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
I'm not saying Ohio State's gonna smack around Oregon, They're
gonna be eleven and zero.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
I'm not saying that.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Okay, this is the ifs, right, This is the scenario
of if anyone says, hey, Ryan Day, if he loses
to Michigan, He's out of a job, no matter what.
I'm throwing out the ifs where it's like, wait a minute,
So if he beats Oregon in the regular season, if
they have a deep playoff run, he's still out because
they lost to Michigan.

Speaker 4 (45:29):
I don't buy that. Yes, that's for to Well, then
you don't know the rivalry, then, sir, No, I know.

Speaker 10 (45:35):
I know you do.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
You're a Golden domer. Come on, man, you know how
this works. Are you kidding me? You know how this works.
You graduated for one of.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
The most prestigious No, no, I didn't go there.

Speaker 4 (45:45):
I'm sorry. I thought you went there.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
It's just my hometown.

Speaker 4 (45:48):
Oh your hometown, big fan. Okay, but still okay.

Speaker 6 (45:50):
But you've lift it right, you've lived touchdown, Jesus, you
live lou Holt like you've lived. I didn't go to Michigan,
but I've lived it since nineteen eighty three.

Speaker 4 (45:57):
You know what I'm saying? Like I know the history
in the history of Michigan, Ohio State John Cooper and
I'm just gonna try to remember the record is off
the top of my head. He was like one oh
one and our ninety something in like twenty something right
over his time there. But he lost to Michigan like
eight times.

Speaker 6 (46:14):
He had really great teams in the Heisman Trophy winner
with Eddie Geordan. But but you can't beat Michigan, Bye
bye bye.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Okay, but that's not We're halfway there with Ryan Day
and when was John Cooper getting to the title game.
That's what I'm saying the first twelve team format, you
can't undersell this. Losing to Michigan horrible, fully understand that,
especially for a fourth straight season, way more horrible. But
go forward the playoff games. He's winning a game, and

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consider the competition too. They might take down Georgia or
Bama or one of the Goliaths. They might have a
couple of big time college football playoff wins. First time
ever we've had a twelve team format. They have more
way to the championship get and he's gone.

Speaker 6 (47:03):
I don't think Mark Mark Martin, the Michigan alum, is
waving like he's landing a seven forty tag.

Speaker 8 (47:10):
Me in tag In. John Cooper's record career in Ohio
State one hundred and eleven and forty three or four
seventy and thirty and four in conference.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
And I'm with you, VJ.

Speaker 8 (47:22):
I don't care if they're If they're undefeated going into
the Friday after the Saturday after Thanksgiving and they lose Brian,
they were ready to can him last year. They were
ready to get rid of him last year. I think,
I know you got the playoff coming and all that,
but I think the buildings were burning Columbus if they
lose again, do.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
You think Martin If he lose, they're eleven to zero,
they beat Oregon on the road, they lose to Michigan
at home, He's fired before the playoff begins. They're going
in head coach.

Speaker 8 (47:49):
You're losing to a guy who's in his first year
coaching a quarterback in his first year playing. And it's like,
that's that's the only saving grace, right, That's that's why
of Like if then imagine what if Michigan. You think
about it on the other side, what if Michigan loses
three or four games this year but beats Ohio State
and and and message up their scheduling.

Speaker 4 (48:09):
I promise you Ryan, they will be coaching Texas. He
won't make it to he won't make it back to
his office. He won't make it back to us off.
Remember when USC fired who they fired a tarmac? Was
it Kiffin or Starkif Kiffin on the he couldn't get
it get on the plane.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Yeah, and look at their record that year. They weren't
eleven to zero.

Speaker 6 (48:27):
No, but but Ohio, I'm telling you there are pitfalls
in this schedule. There are There's no guarantee that they're
getting to Michigan undefeated.

Speaker 4 (48:38):
That's not a guarantee. Absolutely no, that's not a gar
I would remember, I would normally doesn't even get play
Michigan or Ohio State over the last few years.

Speaker 6 (48:46):
They have to wait to play them in the conference
championship game. You know, Kurt Farns is gonna go in
there with a tough, physical football team. They're not gonna
be shy, They're not gonna be shocked by anything they see.
They're gonna go in there and if it's gonna that
game is gonna be a fistfight for Ohio State. I
know they've got a lot of talent back, I get it.
They nil they just ripped apart the transfer portal. But

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they were They didn't lose a lot of recruits. They
lost a lot of guys that walked away also too.
They didn't just gain people to keep everybody. They lost
people to the NFL, and they lost recruits that transferred
also to a player.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
Excuse me, their transferred also too. I just this idea
that he can outlast a Michigan loss, absolutely, Bo jump
in here, because you guys, he said, you brought this up.

Speaker 11 (49:28):
Well, I think everybody's kind of right here. I think
if Ryan Day loses to Michigan and does not win
at least a playoff game and have a chance to
win the national title game, he's done. He's not coming back.
Ohio State has spent way too much money this offseason
to not set the baseline for that team at winning
a national title. And then you add in just how

(49:50):
insanely like neurotic Ohio State and Michigan fans are beating
one another. It's it'd be a tough sell, especially if
he is this to Sharon Moore in his first year.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Okay, but two questions, Bo, all right. First, is if
Ohio State's eleven and zero they lose to Michigan. He's
coaching them, He's going to.

Speaker 11 (50:11):
Coach the playoffs.

Speaker 6 (50:12):
I disagree, Yes, yes, the hell you can't listen. Also
to with this whole if thing, if was an eighth
we'd all be high.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
So let's get rid of the thing is about it
if hey, Ohio State might smack around Michigan this year.

Speaker 6 (50:31):
No, they're not smacked Ohio State. When was the last
time they smacked around a good team.

Speaker 11 (50:36):
The only way I could see Ryan Day losing his
job just for losing to Michigan is if Michigan is
like a three or four win team and it's just
an embarrassing But I don't think Michigan is going to
be that so I but I do think the pressure
is on Ryan Day, who both beat Michigan and win
a national title.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
So follow up question, bo, This is the the insanity meter, right,
Like we've got VJ and Martin. They're clinically insane right here,
right right, Hell lose to Michigan not coaching the playoff.
Here's the follow up question. So let's say Ohio State
eleven and zero lose the Michigan horrible, but the playoff

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rolls around. They make it all the way to the
title game and lose a close game, he's still out
of a job ball going forward.

Speaker 11 (51:25):
I think it would just depend. It really would depend
on what those games looked like and how the season
unfolded for Ohio State because Ryan Day, I mean, if
you read the stuff that has come out around Ohio
State's offseason, he has not been particularly happy with how
everything is unfolded in the last few years. So if

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he can't beat Michigan, the Ohio State boosters, they're not
going to be happy with how much money they shelled out.
I think winning a national title would certainly help. But
if he gets to the national title game and falters there, Wow.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
You don't think let me bring Let me bring it
other angle to you. Guys.

Speaker 6 (52:01):
They went and got a former college to NFL back
to college coach for offensive coordinator. They brought in Chip
Kelly to run this offense and make this thing go okay. Now,
remember they was the offensive mind that urban Meyer leaned on.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
He had to now go get a guy. Think about
Think about that for a second.

Speaker 6 (52:22):
He was the guy urban Meyer leaned on offensively got
the head coaching job, and now he had to go
get an offensive Junia.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
He can't do it.

Speaker 6 (52:32):
You gotta go get somebody else, and you still can't
beat Michigan boas listen, it is.

Speaker 4 (52:37):
It is sadistic the way those fans live.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
It really is.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
I'm not that guy. I'm deep in it, bro, But
even I tell some Michigan fans to chill out, like bro,
stop like come on, man, which is crazy. We're adults,
you're hugely let's stop, bro, we're adults with I don't
even go back and forth with like Ohio State fan.
Once you start in salting and calling NaNs, I just
bly like, brodo we can talk track When you start
getting personal, you start acting talking about you kill me

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and all that type of crappy.

Speaker 6 (53:04):
I know, but dude, they're not good. Trust They're not
gonna come out to Los Angeles to do I know that.
But but that that that that that hunger, that that
intensity in the fan base, he will not make it.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Okay, this is what I want.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
This is what I want for the college football season.
This is my best case scenario. Okay, is Ohio State
they go eleven and oh sorry Jeff Schwartz, former Duck
you know, but Ohio State goes eleven and Oh, they
lose to Michigan. They scratched their way to the championship game.

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They lose to Notre Dame on a last second field go.
So we checked that box. We gotta get the Irish
championship as well, and then Ryan Day is back.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
That's the perfect scenario here.

Speaker 11 (53:50):
My my thing on top of Chip Kelly is just
the amount of actual player talent that they paid money for. Yes,
like Caleb Downs, I think people don't understand how great
of a football player Caleb Downs is is quinch. I
think his name's quin Shawn Judkins running back. He's really good.

Speaker 4 (54:05):
Uh, they brought sermon isn't sermon isn't isn't survey back?
I believe he's okay for a little bit.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Yeah, Trayvon's back, but that's I'm sorry, Trayvon.

Speaker 4 (54:16):
I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Trayvon. That yeah, that kid, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (54:19):
Also to the last day, it's championship guys are bus okay.
These scenarios of them not winning it all in him
keeping a job, Give me give me a two liter
bet on that.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Take on that.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Listen, mister VJ. Door dash Husky.

Speaker 4 (54:38):
Still owe me.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
You still know each other?

Speaker 4 (54:41):
You owe me wings.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
I don't know anything. Oh you don't owe me for.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
The Memphis Grizlies.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Call No, I don't.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
We haven't done five years yet.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
That was five years.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
I still got two more seasons left with more. Yeah,
it was a five year period.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
I said they'd win a champion. We still got years
left on me. No, no, no, I need to see
some Uber Eats, A couple of them.

Speaker 5 (55:03):
I do.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
Oh yeah, I think two. Oh you too?

Speaker 3 (55:06):
Yeah? Are you too?

Speaker 1 (55:07):
I know?

Speaker 12 (55:07):
Man?

Speaker 6 (55:07):
Listen, dude, you're always jet setting going to concerts and
professional and sporting evinces the word. You just in on
Jupiter at a concert with your lady. You go, you
travel through the galaxy. Bro, Come on, you're not home.

Speaker 4 (55:20):
Where am I gonna have a.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Delivery wherever I'm at?

Speaker 4 (55:23):
Right?

Speaker 10 (55:23):
Like?

Speaker 1 (55:24):
Uber Eats is international, baby, right Like you don't have
to be at You're a hope.

Speaker 6 (55:28):
I got a twenty five dollars car somebody gave me too.
I'm I'm I'm gonna send that to you.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
That's what I want to hear.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
That's what I want to see, all right right around
the corner. Adam Kaplan will continue the football conversation here.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
VJ.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Husky with us. I'm Brian No.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Keep it locked right here, live from the Tirack dot
Com studios on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
It is Fox Sports Radio. He's VJ. Husky.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
I'm Brian No. We're live from the Tireck dot Com
studios here. Very pleased to welcome in. Adam Kaplan, FSR
NFL Insider inside the Birds Podcast. You know, Adam, we
were just having a knockdown dragout about Ryan Day at
the Io State being on the hot seat, right yeah, yeah,

(56:11):
And I'm thinking NFL wise, Okay, these seats are getting hotter.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Whose seat do you think is smoldering a little bit more?

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Is it Sean McDermott in Buffalo or is it Nick
Sirianni in Philly?

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Who do you use?

Speaker 3 (56:26):
Sirianni by far? Yes, Sanni by far? He look, I
got it.

Speaker 13 (56:32):
They made the playoffs all three years, made the Super
Bowl two years ago, but they had such a bad fall,
losing six out of their final seven games and embarrassed
themselves against Tampa Bay.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
They weren't competitive on either side of the football.

Speaker 13 (56:43):
They had to replace the defensive coordinator in the middle
of the season, which is rare, and in his first
year the Sean de Sciaho's now with the Rams. By
the way, not a bad coach, it just didn't work out.
It just was a bad season for the Eagles. A
lot of expectations were ten and one at one point,
then they went that free fall. But also I put
Doug Peterson that list. Ironically, former Eagles head coach won

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a Super Bowl with the Eagles. That put him up
there for the coaches to watch. Or I wouldn't put
McDermot up there. I'd put Peterson, Sirianni. I think those
two and Mike McCarthy is my probably my top three.

Speaker 6 (57:17):
Adam was going to v J Vernon Husky here all
so the players are talking some football with you, brother,
Good to be bad? Yeah, always, man, it's football season,
full and full force. Let's go to some quarterbacks. Man
to deal's not done. No, and I are going back
and forth for forty five minutes about Dak Prescott and
shit and pay him now and not pay him now.
But I want to focus on my man oose, my
man uso down in South Florida.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
What are you hearing?

Speaker 6 (57:39):
I have of this feeling, Adam, It's gonna get done.
And you know, sometimes deadline gets deals done right. By
the time you get closer and closer, you anything you're hearing.
Is there a number that's out there? Is there any movement?

Speaker 4 (57:52):
What you got for me?

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Man? Yes?

Speaker 13 (57:53):
So my understanding is they're just they're off on the
average per season and the guarantee. He's got his people.
You know, he's changed agents over the years. His people
are looking for a certain number. It's a decent number,
higher than the Dolphins want to pay. Dolphins want to
do it.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
They're just not there yet.

Speaker 13 (58:11):
I'm kind of with you because remember now he is
under contract, he's on a fifth year option. He's got
to he has to report when the veterans report on Tuesday,
where he gets fined. This fine are pretty significant, by
the way, and they cannot be rescinded. But of course
you can make it up when you get the deal.
You could just tack it on the back end. But
you get fine heavily, especially if it's not good. If

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you don't get a deal done, and it becomes coind
of punitive. So if he's not there by Tuesday when
they report, and the first practice, by the way, is
the big one on Wednesday, that's when you know there's
a holdout.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
That's when because just so people understand.

Speaker 13 (58:49):
You cannot be like, let's say you're franchise tag player
and you don't sign, that's not a holdout. The only
way you could be called a holdout is if you're
under contracting withhold services.

Speaker 4 (58:58):
And just on the back end of that, if you
were TUA, if you were in his shoes, you show up,
two's there or not.

Speaker 13 (59:04):
Well, it's again, I'm not a player and I'm not
an agent, but I would say this, I would want
Jared Goff's contract. Jared Goff's contract to me, I think
is very fair. And by the way, he had a
massive contract with the Rams. You know, Sean McVay wanted
him off. The roster goes to Detroit. Revis's career. They
really should have made the Super Bowl. It was not
his problem. Their defense collapsed against the Niners. But when

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you look at his extension, fifty three million per season,
that's the number. That's that's the one he should be
looking at. He's got to be Chalen Hurts. This deal
I was done a year ago. The new deals. Now
remember now we've got new deals. That's one to me
that if I'm Tua. I'm looking at least match the
total guarantees of one hundred and seventy million. That's one thing,

(59:48):
But of course it's how much is fully guaranteed its signing.
But if I'm him and his representation, I want at
least fifty three million per season.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
He's Adam Kaplan FSR NFL insider with us yere okay,
so juicy trade rumors with DeVante Adams, Brandon Aiyuk would
you say, cap, would you go either neither or both
on them to remain with their respective teams the whole
season long?

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
What would you say?

Speaker 13 (01:00:15):
The only way I see DeVante Adams being considered to
be traded is if let's say, let's say by the
trade deadline in late October. You know they're like three
and eight. When it's Solvas, it's obvious they're they're not
going to playoffs.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
That's a different story.

Speaker 13 (01:00:33):
I talked to someone I'm very high up in the
front office who said, to me, this is the rumors
are they're nonsense. There's nothing realistic. There's there's never been discussed.
We don't We're not in the business of trading Hall
of Fame players. I thought that was interesting. Now we
also have to remember you have a new front office.
New head coach Tom Telusco came over from the Chargers.

(01:00:53):
He didn't draft DeVante Adams. Uh, you know he knows them. Obviously,
his team, the Chargers went against former team went against him.
But it just changes everything. If you traded DeVante Adams,
you know, it's one thing. If they could have addressed it,
It's kind of like Brandon ay you asked the question, Brian.
The Niners entertained trade talks during the draft. Washington was
one of the teams that they spoke with well the time,

(01:01:14):
as John Lynch. John Lynch wouldn't confirm who they talk with.
All he said was that if we were going to
entertain it, you would have won a compensation for the
twenty four draft. Well, we've had the draft. They can't
help themselves. The Niners are The Niners are trying to
get the Super Bowl. That's why they want to keep them.
And by the way, they've tried. They've had extensive talks.
But the reason why Ayuk has asked for a trade

(01:01:35):
is all these new deals have gotten done and the
you know, the asking price is going up. As he should,
he should get thirty million more. Now the deal that
I think will get done, I feel confident that the
Niners would do the uh the deal that got done
with Miami with Jalen Waddle, Walla got a great deal.
Now he's a number two receiver. Remember now, Brandon Ayuk

(01:01:57):
is not really their number one receiver. Now if you
put them in Buffley, sure heck is, but he's not
while it's getting paid twenty eight point two five million.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
That's a great contract. The structures really player friendly.

Speaker 13 (01:02:08):
I'm sure he'd want to beat that, but that's a
deal another nine ers would do.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
But right now they're not there yet.

Speaker 6 (01:02:14):
Adam, we know the Chiefs are the cream of the crop.
I said yesterday Martin and VJ to me, they're like
the Patriots. Now in my eyes, I just won't pick
against them until I see somebody consistently to keep them
out at the Super Bowl. They've been to three out
of the last four to going for three pat this year.
So they're my pick, I tell you right now, listen
till somebody beats them.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
They're my pick.

Speaker 6 (01:02:33):
Tell me though, on my love for the Ravens getting
Dereck Henry kind of having that taste in their mouth
losing the AFC Championship game. Their coach, by a guy
named Harball, is just in his damn DNA. I think
Zay Flowers is the next Tyreek Hill. You match their
numbers rookie and even their college numbers. But this kid's electric.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:02:52):
This kid can really get going. They'll get their tight
end back too. Am I just wishing on the Ravens
or do I think this is a team I think
can really compete and really get over that hump.

Speaker 13 (01:03:01):
Yeah, Flowers is not anywhere near Tyrek killn explosiveness. He's
a good player, though there's no doubt he had a
great rookie season. He just doesn't run as well as Tyreek.
He's not explosive. He's more of a slot receiver, a
small guy.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
By the way. Heave Flowers about five nine one seventy five.

Speaker 13 (01:03:15):
Yeah, but here's the thing. When you look at the Ravens,
I'm not worried about their offense. This will be the
second year for offensive coordinator Todd Monkin and Lamar Jackson. Together,
they'll develop a better working relationship. And then you've got
Derrek Henry. As you know, they try to trade for
him at the trade deadline. They couldn't get it done.
I'm not worried about that. I like the addition of
Derek Henry. That's really going to be hard to defend

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them if your a defense's got to face him. I'm
more concerned about Zach Orr the youngest defensive coordinator, in fact,
the youngest coordinator of offense, defensive special teams of the NFL,
thirty one years old. He takes over for Mike McDonald
play Kings and Art. You know, Mike McDonald got kind
of criticized a little bit early in his first year.
Then he got things turned around. He's terrific. He get

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my head coach after two seasons as a coordinator. So
this is a big dealer, this big jump. So that
to me is the one issue for putting the Ravens
in the Super Bowl. Zach Gore has never called a
game before, and that's an art, and he knows the
defense he's played in and he played in before. He
has Kurk cut short to a significant injury. But that's
one thing that's a storyline for me for the Ravens.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
In training camp, cap we look at these new kickoff rules,
Yeah right, kind of like the old XFL. Do you
like the change and do you think we're gonna see
a big difference this year compared to.

Speaker 13 (01:04:26):
A it's a different so at the I think it
was at the NFL Owners meetings earlier this year that
the we we got a great demonstration for the Competition Committee.
And then they had some of these special teams coaches.
We had Elate, Jim Fossil's son Bones Fossil, he was
one of them. Chris Rizzy, Rizzy down Rizzy, excuse me,

(01:04:48):
Darwn Rizzy is the special teams coach. I believe for
the Saints, they can give a demonstration. It's completely different.
You're gonna have dual returners back there. You know, the
the you can't the the coverage. Teams can't get their
start that they used to get. They're expecting, by the way,
returns to be way up, so returns around you know,
twenty five to thirty percent of time, they're expecting to

(01:05:09):
double in the sixty percent range. It's going to be
more exciting, folks, there's no question. And by it'll help players.
It'll help these lower end of the roster guys. These returners,
back up corners make the roster.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
No the I like this rule. I mean it's also
going to help for concussions, lower the rate. No, it's
all good. I've still the demonstration. I'm into it.

Speaker 13 (01:05:29):
And if you get to watch preseason, look for that
because you're going to see something's completely different.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
Oh, great stuff, Cap.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
Hey man, we always appreciate you hopping on with us,
and have a great Sunday.

Speaker 4 (01:05:40):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
We'll catch you soon.

Speaker 4 (01:05:41):
Job brother, enjoy preseason.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
Yep, there he is Adam Kaplan, FSR NFL insider inside
the Birds podcast. Hey, we hand the baton. This is
like the four by one hundred meter US Olympic team. Right,
we go straight from Cap to Martin Weiss running the
anchor leg right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
By one hundred a mark for by one hundred. We're
probably in like I'm taking like thirty three seconds or
something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
I just did the question in vj's voice, what you
want to run it? Big vanilla funny? No, I got it, Okay,
I got.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
I got it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
I like the turn, I like the turs, I like
I like to run the corners. I like to run it. Yo, okay,
third leg works for you.

Speaker 8 (01:06:21):
Yeah, speaking of laps, Kyle Larson wins the Indy was
the NASCAR Cup Series in Indianapolis Motor Speedway. Uh Tyler
Reddick and Ryan Blaney came in second and third, Bubble
Wallace finishing in fifth. Xanders shot six under sixty five
in the final round of the Open Championship today to
end at the top of the leader board nine under
par for the tournament.

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
It's the second major win of his career.

Speaker 8 (01:06:44):
Justin Rosenbilly Horsel tied second place, ended seven under par.

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
Overall.

Speaker 8 (01:06:49):
Pro bow nose tackle packer Kenny Clark signed a six
a three year, sixty four million dollar extension today.

Speaker 4 (01:06:56):
In baseball, the Giants beat.

Speaker 8 (01:06:57):
The Royals three to two, Jorge Solaire with a four
hundred seventy eight foot bomb in the center field, longest
home run so far of the twenty twenty fourth season
that used to be Sho Halo Tony's. Both were at
Corse Field. Oh sorry, they beat the Rockies, not the Royals.
All right, there we go, Wait to go, Martin too
busy worrying about the four by one relay. Brewers beat
the Twins eight to seven. Reeese Hoskins hit a two

(01:07:19):
run homer to break a five to five tie. Nationals
beat the Reds five to two. That's a three game
sweep over the weekend. James Wood, rookie left fielder, go
ahead three run homer in the eighth inning. Philly shut
out the Pirates six to nothing. Cardinals beat the Braves
six to two. Max Freed. Braves also are left handed,
placed on a fifteen day injured list with nerve information
in his forearm.

Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
Royals beat the White Sox four to one.

Speaker 8 (01:07:42):
Seth Lugo, with his first career complete game, had three
hits and one run, struck out six. Rays outscored the
Yankees six to four. Aaron Judge with this thirty fifth
home run of the season as a three run bomb
in the seventh inning. George Bringer homer twice as the
Blue Jays beat the Tigers five to four. Padres beat
the Guardians two to one, and in ten innings the
Cubs two Diamondbacks one. Rangers also beat the Orioles three

(01:08:05):
to two. Jonaheim that three run homer in the fourth
back to you guys, you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
Know Martin, I'll throw this out there, man, if you
ever screw up a score, it's all good.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
You're human.

Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
Whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
I want to throw something out there, like shift the focus,
just be like Brian probably had the Rockies beating the
Royals and then no one remembers, right like, it's all good.

Speaker 8 (01:08:28):
Yeah, I just I remember I've read that like twice now,
and I remember seeing the longest home run was that
course field, and I was like, well that doesn't what
hold on a second, what were the Giants and Royals
doing playing at Denver?

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
That's right, yeah, keep that in your back pocket. It's
all good.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
Hey.

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(01:09:25):
shifting back to the hot seat conversation, I like what
Cap told us right there where he had his top three,
hottest of the hot seats. He didn't have Sean McDermott
with the Bills up there. He went Nick Sirianni. He
went Doug Peterson with Jacksonville, went Mike McCarthy with the Cowboys.
That's a good top three, But man, I think that

(01:09:45):
seat is hot. No Stefan Diggs over there now with
the Bills, the expectations for that team, they just haven't
gotten deeper in the playoffs, some really tough losses to
the Chiefs. If they take a step back, Man, I
could absolutely see him being out of a gig this
next season.

Speaker 6 (01:10:03):
If you remember, you and I did a show a
few summers ago going into preseason like we are now.
It was after the year they didn't get the ball
in Kansas City and overtime and lost. Yep, that I
believe there was either the divisional game because that was.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
The thirteen second game. It's like, bro squib it, you're
not even having a worrying about worry about overtime.

Speaker 4 (01:10:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:10:24):
I remember saying their window was closed, and most people,
Oh my god, that's so stupid.

Speaker 4 (01:10:28):
VJ. No, their windows closed. Would they still be good, Yes,
when they still win eleven twelve games, Yes, but the
super Bowl window it's closed. And if you've watched over
the last three years, they regress backwards. They're losing. Think
about it.

Speaker 6 (01:10:45):
If they don't get the Steelers in that wildcard game
at home, right, they don't get to the divisional round.
If they have to go on the road and play
that wildcard game, they were gonna lose wherever they were
gonna go and play. So get into the divisional round
just doesn't do it. You tell me, Josh Allen, I've been.

Speaker 4 (01:11:01):
Told he's the savior. He's gonna get them to a
super Bowl. They're gonna win a championship, he's gonna win
an MVP.

Speaker 6 (01:11:07):
It's just it's not there. Coordinators have left, tables, gone
to the Giants. Leslie Fraser just said.

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
Oh I'm gonna yeah, I'm gonna go take a year
off and just no, and Diggs only played nice for
so long. Gabe Davis walks out the door like they're
losing some Pete Poyer is now down in South Beach
patrolling the secondary, the safety position for the Dolphins.

Speaker 6 (01:11:29):
They've been losing pieces and it's sooner or later. Josh
Allen just can't carry everything on his shoulders. Eighteen interceptions
last year, over eighty turnovers in the last five years,
which is far more than anybody else in the league. Yes,
McDermott I was super shocked that he didn't include McDermott.

Speaker 4 (01:11:48):
I was also shocked that he included McCarthy in there.
A little bit doesn't shock me. I get that one, right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
They gotta have a deep run in the playoffs or
he is.

Speaker 4 (01:11:58):
Jerry Jones doesn't. He's too he's too loyal.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
By fall, Jason Garrett got the gate. You know, it
took a little bit longer than people thought.

Speaker 4 (01:12:05):
A little bit longer.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
It took a lot longer than people thought.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
But I think this year, I think for Mike McCarthy,
you gotta have a deep playoff run, or it's Curtains
I do.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
But that's the thing with the hot seat conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
That's the interesting thing to me is if you ask
a different question, where take these four guys right, CAP's
top three? He had Nick Sirianni, Doug Peterson, Mike McCarthy,
I added Sean McDermott. Of those four coaches, who do
you think is most likely to be replaced after this season?
I think it's Sean McDermott, and I think Mike McCarthy

(01:12:42):
is in the team photo. They both might if there
might be multiple coaches on.

Speaker 4 (01:12:47):
That just think Mike and Dallas would be mutual. I
just don't think it'll be an outright he's fired.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
Oh, I think it could if they're one and done
come playoff time again, There's no way Jerry Jones can
just run it back.

Speaker 4 (01:13:01):
I think.

Speaker 11 (01:13:03):
I think the guys are way underrating how close Sirianni
got almost being fired.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
They have two new coordinators, right, that's the step before and.

Speaker 11 (01:13:12):
You started to beg You started to get some stories
about his relationship with Jalen Hurts not being that great.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
Yeah, I get all that.

Speaker 11 (01:13:19):
Yeah, I dislike Nick Sirianni.

Speaker 4 (01:13:21):
Am I just think Philly. I just think Philly is
gonna be really good.

Speaker 6 (01:13:26):
I think the only thing that keeps me from putting
Sirianni there and in Saquon Barkley, Ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 11 (01:13:32):
Hello, they were good last year too, until they.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
Were and I know that's the thing, and then I'm
like VJ. I believe in Philly more than I do Buffalo.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:13:42):
The thing that sticks in my head with Nick Sirianni
is walking off the field against the Chiefs and trying
to like start things with the fans.

Speaker 4 (01:13:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:13:50):
I if you're not winning games convincingly, like the Eagles
never did last year, that's gonna wear thin really quick.
It already kind of has. So if they I think
anything short of it's almost like the Ryan Day thing,
Like anything short of winning the Super Bowl, I'm not
certain that Nick Sirianni survives next year.

Speaker 10 (01:14:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
It's interesting though, because I believe in the Eagles roster
more than the Bills. But I believe in the Bills
quarterback more than the Eagles quarter.

Speaker 4 (01:14:15):
Oh absolutely right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
You you believe in Jalen Hurts Josh absolutely so.

Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
He's been over your carriers team to Super Bowl. What's
Josh Allen done?

Speaker 5 (01:14:23):
This?

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
Are you serious?

Speaker 12 (01:14:25):
Sarah?

Speaker 4 (01:14:25):
You and I have been doing this Jalen Hurstein for
the last three years. This ain't nothing new between us. Wow,
this is nothing new between us being I remember having
a conversation so you have you have.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
Like if you do your top ten quarterbacks list, You've
got Jalen Hurts over Josh Allen.

Speaker 4 (01:14:40):
Absolutely, I got him over Josh Allen.

Speaker 9 (01:14:42):
You are out of your freaking Why Why wouldn't I
Because Josh Allen's way better That's why at what I
don't know producing touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
Okay, so he ran into Mahomes a couple of times
and now he's a bum, really not a bum, not
a bum.

Speaker 6 (01:14:58):
But I say I'll take Jay. I'll take Jalen Hurts
right now over Josh Allen. Absolutely, audience, Josh Apple, turnover Allen.
He going he gonna give it away.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
The guy's had as almost there's many touchdowns the last
four years as Mahomes.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
I get, I give it the guy the second on
the list, like rushing.

Speaker 6 (01:15:17):
Throwing does an equate the win and can't get him
to a super Bowl? Jayalen Jalen Hurts. And this is
something people don't want to admit. Jalen Hurt not only
got Philly to a super Bowl, he all plays Mahomes
in that game. He has the fumble with the scooping
score right before the half. That was the mistake that
really lost in the game. It wasn't the flag that
set up Kansas City for a field goal could and

(01:15:37):
I banged on Jayleen for that. Jaylen's is my god.
But you gotta hold on to the football.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
J you do.

Speaker 6 (01:15:42):
You can't give that touchdown up right before the half.
He an't playing Mahomes that day.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
I'm looking at passer rating right here, and hold on.
I'm trying to find Jalen Hurts. I don't care about
I don't care about past.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Why would you care about passer rating?

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
It's just throwing touchdowns, interceptions, completion rate.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
Who cares about passer rating?

Speaker 4 (01:16:03):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
Scrawling sc man? Good lord, he's under Kyler Murray. Goodness.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
He's twentieth on the list in passer rating. He had
fifteen interceptions. That's just below Josh Allen. You guys a
turnover machine too.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
No, last last year he had an interception.

Speaker 6 (01:16:20):
He had an interception phil year, but also no thirty
eight forty eight excuse me, thirty eight fifty eight and
yards twenty three touchdown he had.

Speaker 4 (01:16:27):
Like I said, he had the fifteen interceptions. And I
won't defend that.

Speaker 6 (01:16:31):
But if you're asking me who I'm taking right now,
sixty four percent completion percenters thirty four.

Speaker 4 (01:16:35):
Seventeen Overwhilmers a record like he like, stop, listen, just
watch this year. Then that's all I'm gonna say. That's hey,
we'll say this. We'll see this season.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
Oh dude, Like, if you gave Josh Allen, AJ Brown
and DeVante Smith and Dallas Goddard and you gave Jalen Hurts, like,
we'll give you Khalil Shakir.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Oh no, no, no, no, do that.

Speaker 5 (01:16:57):
Gain give me no gud.

Speaker 4 (01:16:59):
You know what, Give me all the weapons, Give me
all the weapons, Josh Allen, give me, gave David give give,
give Jalen hurt Gay give Yeah, don't do that, give him.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
Those weapons to Let's let's pick this back up at
the top of the hour. You gotta yell about quarterbacks.
Let's take a rescpite coming up next. Okay, there is
a funny story that gets us thinking about our own
funny stories. We'll have some fun around the corner.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
He's VJ. Husky.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
I'm Brian. No, stay with us right here on Fox
Sports Radio. It is Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
He's VJ.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
Husky.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
I'm Brian know. Okay, VJ. So we've been I would
say yelling at each other with love today, Describe it.
You know, we yell because we love, That's why, you know.
But take it a little break and we'll get right
back to it. I have a feeling Jason Tatum with

(01:17:51):
Team USA before. They're impressive. One point victory over South Sudan.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
Barely impressive.

Speaker 4 (01:18:02):
I'm about to say, don't don't get married.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
Gone.

Speaker 4 (01:18:06):
Yeah, them hurt people right there.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
Yeah, shout out South Sudan.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
They can't git it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
Shoutouts outside.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
So uh.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
Jason Tatum, Yes, of the Boston Celtics. He was giving
the cold shoulder when he was a young eleven year
old kid. He tells this story about wanting to get
Lebron's autograph and it did not work out.

Speaker 4 (01:18:29):
Check this out.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
Funny story here.

Speaker 10 (01:18:31):
He kind of told me no. In Memphis a long
time ago. Larry Hughes is my dad best friend. They
played on the calves together. My mom took me to
a game in Memphis. I wanted to meet Lebron and
I wanted to get a picture with him in an
autograph and there's a lot of people back there. He
was like, I'm out, I gotta go, And I got
in the car and started crying, but we cool now.

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
He had me from autograph and I give it to
him that I was like, I love it. That's why
you dunked me though, That's why you dunked.

Speaker 10 (01:18:58):
On me in the Cow in the Cows finals to
get backy by the way, that's why you had that haircut.

Speaker 4 (01:19:04):
That's the last time you had the haircut when you
played them.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
Yeah, they're talking about the twenty eighteen Eastern Conference Finals
and Tatum dunked on them.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
But how about that eleven years old.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
I'm gonna get Lebron's autograph and Lebron's like, I'm out
peace and young Tatum's crying in the car. Crazy that
they're on the same Olympic team now and going up
against each other in the NBA.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
What a story.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
Huh.

Speaker 4 (01:19:25):
Yeah, it was a cool story, even even for Lebron's response. Man,
I like that, Yeah, yeah, is that why you yamed
on me like that?

Speaker 6 (01:19:32):
That's why you dunked on me, and that shows That
shows the cool side of Lebron that I just wish
we saw. I saw, even myself, I'll speak to me,
that's the cool side of him. I wish I saw
more and would probably make me lean more to his
side a lot of more times than I do. But
you know it was it was organic. That's why I
like that. As far as Tatum goes, hey, look man,
you're making light skinned brothers look bad.

Speaker 4 (01:19:52):
Okay, you don't tell, don't tell these stories. Got in
the car, got my car, and I cried, no, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
Yeah, no, no dumb down on that. Do you have
any autograph stories? Are you an autograph guy ever in
your life?

Speaker 6 (01:20:04):
The best one I ever got was Reggie White, Man, Terry,
I got Reggie White's autograph nine.

Speaker 4 (01:20:09):
Did you go up to him?

Speaker 6 (01:20:10):
Yes, I walked right up to him. My mom snuck
us around the back of the where the coach used
to play. She was stationed a Fort ben Harrison where
therefore prese's a game, and she snuck us through the
gate all the way up to the bus when they
were leaving. He actually asked to borrow my pen to
write a Bible verse.

Speaker 4 (01:20:22):
Down for this lady. Oh wow, that's not my favorite
autograph story, Reggie White.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
That's awesome, man, very cool stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
All right, we get to our top ten quarterback list,
and I'm telling you now it might lead to verbal fisticuffs.
Oh man, We got a list that will melt your mind.
Over here, we're talking quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
All right, VJ.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
We're both very opinionated, especially when it comes to ball,
especially when it comes to NFL quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
Right, there was a list that came out ESPN.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
They are about eighty executives, coaches, and scouts. They had
their top ten. Who cares what they think? Right, it's
about us here.

Speaker 6 (01:21:21):
I'm laughing because Bo just walked in doing the break egos.
So are we doing this?

Speaker 4 (01:21:25):
ESPN? I'm like, uh no, we're doing our own damn.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
Yeah, yeah, we're doing our own thing.

Speaker 4 (01:21:31):
I don't care about their.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
Now here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
Let's find common ground to begin there, all right, and
then it might go.

Speaker 4 (01:21:39):
Haywy okay, oh it's going to but okay, we both.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
Have mahomes Number one, do we not come on?

Speaker 8 (01:21:44):
Man?

Speaker 4 (01:21:45):
Bro it, come on man.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
It's the biggest lay up there is, and I'm sure
you see it too.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
I see many people that are like, oh no, I've
got this guy number one, not Mahomes, And it's like,
stop talking right now. Why would you say someone's better
than Holmes right here, right now.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
That's insane.

Speaker 6 (01:22:03):
Nah, it's mahone and it's mahoney, just simply because the
words I wrote down league's best work ethic.

Speaker 4 (01:22:10):
He's got great fruits. Man, when you watch Quarterback, the documentary,
I told my mam, we talk about this man on
our show, he made me a fan. I wasn't a
fan before Quarterback.

Speaker 6 (01:22:21):
I know he's great, and I know he's the best
in the league, but watching his preparation, watching the way
he is really intense. I know, we get lost in
the current the frog voice and all of that stuff,
and you know, kind of all the showy stuff with
TikTok with his brother and his wife and all of that.
But when you just put the tape on, when that
man's out there limping around on a you know, damn
there broken ankle and he's telling the coach no, you know, no, no,

(01:22:41):
f that I'm going back in. He's looking at Andy
Reid like, no, I'm going back in. He's looking at
the backup like, hey, man, sit your ass down, I'm
going back in the game. I'm the type of guy
you win me over with that, because that means you
really want it. Man, it's not for show. It's not
for it's not no flip flamman fluff. This guy is
the real deal. He's this airs Tom Brady. I'm betting
against him, absolutely number one on everybody's list.

Speaker 4 (01:23:03):
It's got It should be Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
It should be the guy.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
I'm glad you brought that up, because not the last
Super Bowl run, the Super Bowl run before last season,
right where he had the ankle injury against Jacksonville. He's
really just waddling around out there for the next couple
of games, including the Super Bowl against the Eagles, where

(01:23:29):
he's limping around. Remember he got hit before halftime and
he's limping off the field. The next thing you know,
in the fourth quarter, he's got a big rush that
sets them up.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
And he's just the best.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
The creativity, the production, the Super Bowls plural now three
of them, Like, how can you say in your right mind, Yeah,
I'm glad we're on the same page. No, give me
your list here first, VJ. I'll write them down. I'm
taking comprehensive notes. No problem one through ten. Who you
got all right?

Speaker 5 (01:23:57):
So?

Speaker 6 (01:23:58):
Yeah, I want to make you mad early in this list.
Start from ten and will work our way up. Okay, yeah,
I want to make you mad early. So and ten
I got Justin Herbert. Okay, I just I like his size.
I love his arm strength. I understand that. Listen, he
had a head coach, and no one liked he had
a head coach. Everybody wanted fired. He got hurt last year.
But when you do put the tape on it, you
see the talent six four, big arm. He's a quiet leader.

(01:24:20):
Just love his Maxi's competitiveness. I think Jimmy Burgers is
just the perfect coach for this guy. I look for
big things from the Chargers. At number nine, I got
your guy, Josh Apple turnover Allen, I got him at
number He turns the.

Speaker 4 (01:24:33):
Ball and over way too much.

Speaker 6 (01:24:35):
Yes, wow, Yes, I got him at ninth. He turns
the ball over way too much.

Speaker 4 (01:24:39):
And for a guy that was supposed to go to
super bawls and win super balls and all the stuff
that they tell us, all the stuff Vegas tell us,
it's better on all the stuff. The TV and radio
guys tell us this is supposed to be the guy
still and he, like I said, they had their shot
in Kansas City. I don't blame him for that game.
He played his ass off that day. But since then,
since then, turns the ball over in the post You
talk about Dak in the postseason. Yeah, let's look at

(01:25:01):
Josh Allen in the postseason. Also, number height, Give me
Jared Golf, Give me Jared Golf right here.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
Man, he had cross over Josh Allen.

Speaker 6 (01:25:07):
Absolutely, absolutely, he's a better quarterback. Josh Allen is a
big runner.

Speaker 4 (01:25:12):
He's got it. He's he's got a good arm, so
he's got a great arm. I'm not a good josh
Son's got a great arm. But quarter back.

Speaker 6 (01:25:19):
Yeah, give me, give me, give me, give me, give
me Jared Golf right here. Loved the production last year.
Forty five to seventy five, the touchdowns. It's not gonna
go lose a game for you, right, You just said
it yourself. Had the Rams in the Super Bowl, had
that Rams in the Super Bowl, their defense let them
down against San Francisco.

Speaker 1 (01:25:33):
And in minor correction, the refs had the Rams in
the Super Bowl with the phantom missile.

Speaker 11 (01:25:39):
Oh yeah, Sat.

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:25:42):
Mark Martin definitely loves that one right there at number seven,
Give me my guy to him, Give me my guy
to at number seven led the league in passing last
year and in twenty twenty two led the league in
passing percentage of sixty nine percent.

Speaker 4 (01:25:54):
And that, Hey, there's that category you like, QBR the rating.

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
Baby.

Speaker 6 (01:25:59):
He led the league in a one oh five point five.
Career record is thirty two and nineteen. Last year is
twenty nine to fourteen. I want to see those interceptions
come down, of course, put the prior year before that.
I think he only threw like eight or nine interceptions
last year too. Also second in the league only by
point two decimal points as far as completion of percentage
behind one Dak Prescott basically seventy percent completion percentage. Speaking

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of Dak, put him at number six for me. Fifty
five forty five to sixteen, six thirty six touchdowns, only
nine interceptions, sixty nine percent completion percentage. I know we
have to get to the postseason. With all that stuff.
I'm not gonna knock most of what you said about him,
but I just want to make sure that we keep
it fair across the board. If that's what we're gonna
say about Dak, then let's judge these other quarterbacks in

(01:26:39):
the postseason two that aren't winning, that's been getting big money.
Number five, my guy man, Hall of Famer Martin Done
thinks so, but I know he is. Matthew Stafford. That's
number five for me. Has a super Bowl record. Listen
pookin the coup rookie record right Who's his quarterback? Matthew Stafford.
This is Martin's topic right here. Megatron broke the record.
Who was his quarterback? Matthew staff Cooper cup then broke

(01:27:01):
that record. Who's this quarterback? Matthew Stafford? Man Detroit makes
some Detroit made a lot look bad okay over those years,
but he comes here, gets McVeigh, gets some weapons, has
a competent, a competent front office, a competent ownership, and
they going the win the super Bowl. At number four.
Give me Joe Burrow aka the Model. Don't ever wear
that backout jacket again, Joe Burrow. But I do like

(01:27:23):
this guy man when he is healthy. Joe Burrow is
the goods. I mean, I can't hate on the guy
big arm he's a winner. Like I said, he's the
only guy we've seen go toe to toe with Mahomes
and if not for that penalty, they may go in
there and beat them back to back.

Speaker 4 (01:27:37):
AFC Championship games.

Speaker 6 (01:27:39):
Brian, Now, he didn't have, you know, glorious games, but
he's a main reason why they were there. At number three,
gimme Jalen Hurts, I'll take him at number three. Dual
weapon quarterback record thirty four seventeen, sixty four percent completion.

Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
He's been to two Pro Bowls, been to a Super Bowl.
He's also a good runner.

Speaker 6 (01:27:55):
I know he's got weapons around him, but why are
we criticizing quarterbacks for having the weapons around That's what
football is all about. Also too, really interesting status found
in twenty two. He was sacked thirty eight times in
the Super Bowl year that they went. Last year only
sacked thirty six times in a year where everything kind
of fell off. Kind of tells me, if you protect
this guy, if you gave, you'll protect this guy a

(01:28:16):
little better than that. You can probably go get you
a Limbardi and it might save Sirianni. Also, too, are
one hundred more throws from twenty two to twenty three
still completed sixty five percent.

Speaker 4 (01:28:27):
They put more on his plate last year, and I
thought he answered the call.

Speaker 6 (01:28:30):
Number two for me, two time MVP Lamar Jackson, game changer,
supreme football weapon.

Speaker 4 (01:28:37):
I like the numbers. Two time MVP twenty.

Speaker 6 (01:28:39):
Four touchdowns, sixty seven percent complettion of percentage for a
guy who so called can throw thirty six seventy eight,
loved the team that's around him. His quarterback record. How
about this fifty eight to nineteen for a guy that
can't throw in the guy that's so called can't win.
That's a winning record right there. And then we all
know who number one is. I call him iron Man
Pat Mahomes. That's iron Man right there.

Speaker 4 (01:28:59):
Man. That guy just does so much. When you think
he's got nothing left and he's got no more moves left,
he pulls something else out of his hat. He's the
league best. That's my top ten right now. There's a
lot of work to be done here on this list.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
If this is a house, I'm like, I keep the
coffee table, keep the coffee table in the drapes. Everything
else can go. Everything else? Can you get rid of everything? Okay,
let's start with the positive. I agree with you on Mahomes,
that's the most obviously. Yeah, he's number one. I have
Stafford number five as well. Okay, so that's our common
ground here. The biggest beef I have, it's close. Probably

(01:29:41):
the biggest beef I have is Jalen Hurts being a
top three.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
Quarterback right now. That's come on, man.

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
Off the season, he had the guy through twenty three
touchdowns fifteen interceptions with the talent around him one of
the best offensive lines in football. AJ Brown, DeVante Smith,
Dallas Goddard. He was banged up at portions during the season.
That is a great supporting cast. There's no way your
passer rating should be below ninety. He's at eighty nine

(01:30:09):
point one with that supporting cast.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
That's a joke.

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
He's not number three right now. I don't even have
him in my top ten. Sorry, I can't do that.
The other big disagreement that we will have is Lamar
and Josh Allen. It is a football crime to have
Lamar Jackson ranked ahead of Josh Allen right now. It's
not even freaking close. And I know Lamar Jackson has

(01:30:34):
his two MVPs, and I don't make that want to
make the guy sound like a dud, because he's not.
He's supremely talented. He's arguably the most talented player in
the NFL right now. He's a highlight reel. I'm not
trying to say he's a dud, but at the same rate,
he is the most overrated player in the entire NFL.
And this is why, even though he's a mentally talented,

(01:30:56):
the dude diss uppears in the playoff time when it
matters most. And I don't need him to be a
nineteen sixties dropback style quarterback. That doesn't need to be
the case, but I need him or anybody to be
more precise as a passer because he hasn't given us
the same amount of production running wise in the playoffs.

(01:31:16):
And then you see his warts as a passer, perfect
example in the playoff loss to the Chiefs this past season.
First touchdown for the Chiefs, great throw by Mahomes, tight window,
little back shoulder in the end zone to Travis Kelcey.
Kyle Hamilton was all over him. You will never see
Lamar Jackson do that. And that's the beef I have

(01:31:39):
with him. And then when it comes to the playoffs.
And this is the separator. You can give me all
these numbers age one seventy nine percent of his regular
season game to whatever. That's impressive, until we get to
the playoffs. What is Lamar do come playoff time? Well,
he's two and four and he absolutely shrinks. He has
as many playoff wins as he does MVPs. That's unacceptable.

(01:32:00):
Thrown six touchdowns, six picks. Meanwhile, Josh Allen twenty one touchdowns,
four picks. Josh Allen's passer rating is one hundred in
the playoffs, Lamar is seventy five point seven. Just as
for reference, that's lower than Mac Jones of the Patriots
his passer rating last season. And Mac Jones is a
backup right now in Jacksonville, Like, Lamar's done worse than that?

Speaker 4 (01:32:23):
How far Lamar gotten in the playoffs AMC Championship game?
Right farah? And then what how far? Okay, how far
Josh Allen got in the playoffs?

Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
Josh Allen has done way more. Josh Allen has proved himself.
They went toe to toe, they played a playoffs game together.
What happened in that game? Lamar threw a pick six
and lost a low scoring game.

Speaker 6 (01:32:42):
Is that the game up at Buffalo? Correct, that's right, Yeah,
the game up of a game up in Buffalo. So
just a few things on uh, back to Janalen Hurts.
Just really fast, you talk about aj Brown. I also
want to point out in six of the first eight
games last year here was yours totals one seventy seven
and one thirty. He only had one more one hundred
yard game the rest of the season. Yeah, exactly, So

(01:33:06):
let's not also act like that, Lamar, excuse me that
Jalen Hurts did not have Philly sitting at ten and one,
and we're the best team in the league. There's a
lot that fell apart with Philly last year. We just
talked about, Sirianni. I am not gonna let you guys
lay that at Jalen Hurts his lap. I bet we're
not gonna do that. He was also banged up in
hurt last year too, So let's make sure that we

(01:33:27):
throw that in the Josh Allen thing. We just aren't
gonna see. That's fine, Lamar Jackson. I'll also fight back
against because you just said it yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:33:36):
He could be other than Tyreek Hill.

Speaker 6 (01:33:38):
I think he's the most dangerous weapon in the entire
league other than Tyreek Hill, which means every time he
tucks that thing, every time he drops back, you think something.

Speaker 4 (01:33:47):
Great is about to happen. Because of his athletic ability,
because of his explosive of because of his game change.
He's a game changer. He changes games play to play
to play.

Speaker 6 (01:33:59):
Also too, he's never never had a really good true
like guy that splits out.

Speaker 4 (01:34:06):
Why, let's just get real. His best weapon is just tighten.

Speaker 6 (01:34:09):
I used to say this about Cam Newton, and for
all his deficiencies, people want to point out he has
Steve Smith for a few years when he first got
in the league. After that, his best weapon was an
average speed tight end by the name of Greg Osen.

Speaker 3 (01:34:20):
Who was good.

Speaker 6 (01:34:21):
But that's you can't you You're not winning nothing when
that's your best unless you're the best quarterback in the league.

Speaker 4 (01:34:27):
Because the first thame he wanted to throw out as well,
Kelsey does it. I mean, man Mahomes does it with Kelsey.

Speaker 6 (01:34:31):
Yeah, but Mahomes is the best guy on the planet,
so he could probably do it with anybody.

Speaker 4 (01:34:35):
So he's excluded from this conversation. All the other great
quarterbacks that we can name they got dudes to throw
the ball to. They got guys.

Speaker 6 (01:34:44):
He doesn't have a guy that split out why and
has never had a guy that you can go okay,
third and night, Justin Jefferson at Buffalo and Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 4 (01:34:53):
With fourth and nineteen.

Speaker 6 (01:34:54):
Yeah, just throw it up and I'll go one handed
over to the right guys that can do that, Brian,
He's never had that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
Well, here's the thing, A couple of things with Mark Andrews,
he's one of the better tight ends in football. And
Jay Flowers is a really good young wide receiver.

Speaker 3 (01:35:12):
I hear you.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
I'll meet you halfway.

Speaker 1 (01:35:14):
It's not what Joe Burrow has around him in Cincinnati, right, Hey,
it's not so.

Speaker 5 (01:35:20):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
Absolutely you take that into account.

Speaker 4 (01:35:22):
That's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:35:23):
But he's got enough to do more than he's done.
And I expect more from a two time MVP.

Speaker 4 (01:35:29):
And I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (01:35:31):
There's like this grace that Lamar Jackson gets for laying
egg after egg in the playoffs, and I don't understand it.
I think the more that you accomplish winning two m vps,
the more should be expected. And it works the opposite.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
Way with Lamar. It's just, oh, you know you'll get
him next time.

Speaker 4 (01:35:51):
People you think people I think people kill Lamar, you
think people lay off of them.

Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
I do, I do I think that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
Listen if I'll tell you this, Jack Prescott has gotten
way more backlash than Lamar.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
Jackson has gotten.

Speaker 4 (01:36:04):
Starn a helmet, absolutely Starna helmet.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
But that's the crazy thing to me, is Lamar has
done more, yet he gets more grace. It normally doesn't
work like that. Lamar is a classic case, and a
lot of people fall into this trap. They act like
the whole game is just the clips you see on
Sports Center, of course, right, And I'm not saying you're
doing that, VJ. I promise, I'm not saying you're doing that,
but a lot of people do. Where Yes, he's got

(01:36:29):
this jaw dropping highlight, real ability. He is sensational at
times and then at other times he's giving you a
passer rating of seventy five point seven in six playoff games.

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
That's unacceptable.

Speaker 1 (01:36:46):
And so you can show me the highlight of when
he caught the ball himself against the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
That was insane. I can't believe anybody did that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
And then you look at the rest of the game
and you're like, oh, gosh, well he missed that throw
and that was a missed play right there, and oh
he only completed that many.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
Passes and yet yeah, yikes. That's the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
You have to look at the totality, not just the
highlight real plays. But I think because he produces those
a lot of the time, I think too often he
does get too much of the benefit of the doubt
when I think he should be getting criticized a lot more.
When you're a number one seed, you're fourteen and two
and you lay an egg at home against the Titans
and the playoffs unacceptable.

Speaker 4 (01:37:30):
It is unacceptable.

Speaker 6 (01:37:31):
I'm not I'm not going to defend any of that,
but there's also whole narratives that just need to be tade.

Speaker 4 (01:37:37):
That Titans game. That was a that was a that
was a mic rabel put you in your mouth. That
was a good football code.

Speaker 6 (01:37:44):
It was raining, it was wet, it was sloppy, and hey,
they didn't make the plays they needed to make.

Speaker 4 (01:37:49):
Let's also point out that Zayflower, who I love, fumbles on.

Speaker 6 (01:37:53):
The goal line against the Chiefs, going into the end
zone and it goes out of the end zone and
it's a touchback.

Speaker 4 (01:37:58):
So that touch So that's what else taking that's a touchdown?
Taking off?

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
What else happened?

Speaker 3 (01:38:02):
What else?

Speaker 4 (01:38:03):
The offensive coordinator decided not to run the ball?

Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
That was That's true, that's true. What else happened?

Speaker 4 (01:38:08):
Egan rushing the last twenty four months?

Speaker 3 (01:38:10):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
What else?

Speaker 10 (01:38:11):
That?

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
Lamar throwing a pick? Yeah, and the like triple coverage?

Speaker 3 (01:38:14):
What are you doing?

Speaker 6 (01:38:15):
Because I got an answer for that too at some point. Man, Okay,
I got it. You gotta force it. Nothing else is working.
We're not running the ball fumbles into.

Speaker 2 (01:38:24):
You can't no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 1 (01:38:26):
You can't call out Zay and the offensive coordinator and
give Lamar a free pass.

Speaker 2 (01:38:31):
I'm like, fair is fair? That was a horrible decision by.

Speaker 6 (01:38:34):
Why then, why can't we say he's a gun slinger?
Brett Favre makes that throw?

Speaker 4 (01:38:38):
We just go ah, man, you know there's Bret just
being a gun slinger, just being a gamer, and.

Speaker 1 (01:38:43):
A lot of that is stupid too, right, So so
more stupid doesn't make sense, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:38:49):
All Right, I give you. I give you that.

Speaker 4 (01:38:51):
You admitted it, so I'll give you that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:52):
Yeah, yeah, all right, feel free to check in if
you want to. You can hit us up on x
Slash Twitter if you want to do that, right. Vj's
at Big Vanilla Funny. I'm at the no show. Any
of your feelings, any of your thoughts on the QBS.
Love to hear them all right right around the corner.

Speaker 4 (01:39:09):
VJ.

Speaker 1 (01:39:09):
Both you and I we've got opinions, right. We don't
sugarcoat stuff. We just throw it out there. People disagree,
they disagree. Here's one guy who completely changed his tune
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I'm Brian. No hang with us right here on Fox
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(01:39:32):
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Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
What a badass read you did?

Speaker 4 (01:40:23):
Dude? That was really good?

Speaker 2 (01:40:24):
Oh, thank you, Mary, That's right.

Speaker 11 (01:40:26):
I know.

Speaker 6 (01:40:26):
Hey, No, I got a question for you on my quarterback.
Let's just both off both our quarterback. Well, if you
want to jump in on this one, even Martin two man,
Pardy no party, No, Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 4 (01:40:35):
Yeah, do you guys have a problem. You guys didn't
balk at me at that, Justin Herbert at ten? You
got no one balked at that?

Speaker 3 (01:40:42):
Am I am? I am?

Speaker 1 (01:40:43):
I good?

Speaker 8 (01:40:43):
There?

Speaker 3 (01:40:43):
Am I cool? There?

Speaker 11 (01:40:44):
I would probably have party like at eleven or twelve, okay,
but I'm not gonna put him over Justin Herbert I
would also probably have justin Herbert higher. Myself really did.

Speaker 2 (01:40:54):
Too, Herbert sixth.

Speaker 4 (01:40:55):
Yeah, Herbert is six Yeah, okay, Mark.

Speaker 8 (01:40:58):
You see the reason nobody he balked at that is
because when you put Josh Allen at eight or nine,
everybody's already gobsmacked.

Speaker 4 (01:41:05):
And like, what the hell is going on here? We
didn't even think about you to talk.

Speaker 6 (01:41:09):
I don't think I didn't see your clip when the
eye couple with you and Chris and you said he
was Oh you didn't like where that list that.

Speaker 4 (01:41:14):
You and Chris talked about had him, Well, you didn't
have him with that high.

Speaker 8 (01:41:17):
If you're telling me that he's number two, then I
got an issue with it. But you're telling me that
there's there's not nine better quarterbacks than Josh. No, I
don't have nine better at him. He's that nice, and
that means there's only eight. Well, wow, welcome to Saturday night.

Speaker 2 (01:41:34):
Life over here.

Speaker 3 (01:41:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:41:35):
The only issue I have within these lists is the
original ESPN one that had Burrow it too. I don't
I don't get that. I don't agree with that at all.

Speaker 2 (01:41:42):
It's just the health thing.

Speaker 11 (01:41:43):
Yeah, well, yeah, he's never he's never healthy, and I
just don't think he's better than I don't think he's
better than Josh Allen, and I don't think he's even healthy. Yeah,
even when he's healthy. Yeah wow.

Speaker 4 (01:41:54):
Okay, I had him at four. I thought I had
him fairly. He could have been four.

Speaker 11 (01:41:57):
He's in the top five, but I think it's friend.

Speaker 6 (01:42:00):
Okay, But Trevor Lawrence, you guys are cool him being
out of the top ten, Okay, yeah right now, because
Party's gotten all the love last and Party's no top ten,
right Okay, yeah, I think so.

Speaker 1 (01:42:09):
I think I flipped it around two VJ, where I
did the bottom ten quarterbacks. I think that's more challenging
than the top oh wow, because you start looking at
this and it's like, man, it's Trevor Lawrence in the
bottom ten, right, Like is he a bottom third quarterback?

Speaker 3 (01:42:27):
Right now?

Speaker 4 (01:42:28):
Don't tease me like this, Brian.

Speaker 6 (01:42:29):
You know, I'll go home tonight and I'll start working
on this, bro like, don't don't do this tomorrow. And
Martin right now is like goodness gracious. So next Saturday morning,
I'm gonna get a text from VJ right before our
show saying, hey, let's do bottom ten quarterbacks.

Speaker 4 (01:42:41):
Yeah, oh yeah, no started it, so blame him.

Speaker 11 (01:42:44):
That's probably harder than doing your top ten. Two. They're
gonna have teams that have two guys, right I would put.
I mean, I think Gardner Minshew and Aidan O'Connell both
go on that bottom tenies. We don't really know who's
starting for the Raiders next year.

Speaker 1 (01:42:56):
Yep, they're bottom ten. And that's where it gets tricky,
where I'm trying to figure out, say, like Minnesota Trevor
in the bottom ten. I didn't have them there, but
you have to think about that. When you start laying
out the list, you're like, wow, man, there are ten
quarterbacks got to go in the bottom ten. And I
don't like some of these decisions I'm having to make here.

(01:43:17):
But yeah, when you have the two headed monster thing,
that's where it gets tricky. Where it's the Vikings right now,
right with Donald and JJ McCarthy, right, it's the Raiders,
which Bo just said, and then it's also the Patriots
with Brissett and Drake May. That's where it gets tricky
where you're like, I might like Gardner Minshew over Jacoby Brissett,

(01:43:38):
but I like Drake May over Aidan O'Connell.

Speaker 2 (01:43:41):
So now it gets really weird.

Speaker 4 (01:43:43):
Well, I love b Why to death be Why is
my guy?

Speaker 6 (01:43:45):
But I will put b Why down there because he
had a bad you know, he had all this stuff
in Carolina's is just.

Speaker 4 (01:43:50):
Hey, I got to just keep it a buck.

Speaker 2 (01:43:51):
So I last he was dead last.

Speaker 4 (01:43:53):
We put bee Why down there. I guess Gardner will
go down there. Where's Russell Wilson, You know he's I.

Speaker 2 (01:44:01):
Don't have him in the bottom ten, but he was.
He was on the short list.

Speaker 1 (01:44:07):
He was came down to Russell Wilson, Trevor Lawrence and
Derreck Carr, and.

Speaker 2 (01:44:12):
I didn't have any of them.

Speaker 4 (01:44:13):
Oh you've already done this list.

Speaker 2 (01:44:15):
Yeah, I've did my beat me to you, son of
a gun.

Speaker 1 (01:44:19):
I had.

Speaker 2 (01:44:20):
Right now, I have bone Nicks as the worst starting.

Speaker 1 (01:44:23):
Quarterback and a lot of its process of elimination, like
he hasn't thrown a pass yet, But I got someone's
got to be dead last.

Speaker 2 (01:44:32):
I've got him as the worst start.

Speaker 4 (01:44:33):
Oh god, that's hilarious, that's funny. He's got bone Niggs,
poor boone catches straight.

Speaker 3 (01:44:39):
He hasn't even done anything.

Speaker 4 (01:44:40):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:44:41):
You know who else I don't love having in the
bottom ten, but I have to have him there.

Speaker 4 (01:44:46):
Gotta take a guess.

Speaker 3 (01:44:47):
Yeah, what do you have?

Speaker 4 (01:44:48):
I got two guys? Okay, Baker or car It's not.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
Either of those. Wow, Okay, yeah, okay, you know who
it is.

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
It's Colts quarterback Anthony Richardson. Now here's the thing. A
rich has a lot of ability, but what he doesn't
have is a lot of experience. And look, this isn't
like from now until the end of time, this list
cannot change whatsoever. But as of right now, the dude
didn't even throw four hundred passes in college. He threw

(01:45:19):
eighty four passes last season. I think that he's got
a lot of tools to work with and he could
pull Vault out of the bottom ten. But right now,
I got to have him as a bottom ten quarterback
in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (01:45:30):
And that's very interesting because there are people that are
really looking at the Colds saying, hey, this kid's.

Speaker 6 (01:45:35):
Coming back from injury. They got a running game, they
got receivers, they got a good defense. Look they're stupid.
Play call away on fourth down at home, last game
of the year, last last game of the NFL season,
and the offensive coordinator, whoever's calling the plays, their decides
to throw it to a fullback in a flat who
only had like two targets all year long on the
most important play of the year.

Speaker 4 (01:45:57):
And that's how they end up losing that game. And
they don't get to you know, they lose the division
in the Texans win a division.

Speaker 6 (01:46:03):
So I man, that's that's where and Uncle Fla goes
there's the backup this year. So if Anthony rich goes down,
that's that's interesting. Where do you have Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 1 (01:46:15):
I'd have Kirk in the middle. He's definitely not a
bottom ten quarterback. He's closer to knocking on the door
of the top ten than the bottom ten, for sure.
But I'd have him somewhere in that like thirteen fourteen
ish range, somewhere around there. Kyler Murray same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:46:32):
Okay, closer to the top ten than the bottom ten.

Speaker 4 (01:46:35):
I believe. Okay, you know, just names just popping in
my head.

Speaker 2 (01:46:39):
Just middle, middle of the road, right.

Speaker 1 (01:46:41):
I think Kyler is like listen, Kirk, Kirk puts up
numbers man. But the problem with Kirk is I don't
need him to be Lamar, but playing outside of structure
and just keeping a play alive with some athleticism.

Speaker 2 (01:46:57):
He just doesn't have it.

Speaker 4 (01:46:58):
Oh, last one, gotta go one last one. I'm sorry, Yeah,
Deshaun Watson.

Speaker 1 (01:47:02):
That's an interesting one man year three in Cleveland. He's
definitely not a top ten guy.

Speaker 4 (01:47:06):
Right, absolutely not. Yeah, he would be.

Speaker 1 (01:47:10):
I would say, without doing the entire NFL, he would
be somewhere right around sixteen ish. He could teeter between
top half or bottom half. Starting quarterback in the NFL.
I wouldn't have him in the bottom ten, but that
would be the range I would have him in a
right you would you have him around there?

Speaker 4 (01:47:27):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (01:47:28):
Man?

Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
You know what.

Speaker 4 (01:47:29):
I've always been a supporter of him.

Speaker 2 (01:47:30):
Man, but he's got the ability. But dude, the last
two years, Man, it doesn't.

Speaker 4 (01:47:35):
It doesn't look good. It just doesn't. When you put
I'm a tape guy, Brian, you know I'm a tape guy.
Put the tip film don't lie. Yeah, it just doesn't.
That's why they use it in court. It doesn't lie.

Speaker 2 (01:47:45):
But it looks so different the last two years.

Speaker 1 (01:47:48):
Like the first year there was rust okay, fine, last
year before the shoulder injury, it's like he's a fish
out of water with Stefan's key.

Speaker 2 (01:47:56):
It's like he look anything like himself.

Speaker 4 (01:47:58):
When he was in Houston last year the shutdown with
the injury.

Speaker 6 (01:48:02):
I questioned that, man, and I don't like U guts,
but it just almost felt like, look, man, let's get you,
let's let's take a seat, let's reset this thing, because
your contract's fully guaranteed, you're not going anywhere, and let's aim.
Let's let's just aim for next year. Let's get you
fully healthy, and let's aim for twenty four. That's what
it really felt like.

Speaker 1 (01:48:22):
Man, I felt like that two years ago with your
guy Lamar. I hate to throw it out there, but
he was on the cusp of getting his deal. There's
no way I will ever believe he couldn't have gotten
back out on the field. I'm with you, but I
know it wouldn't have been one hundred percent. It would
have been better than their backup at whatever percentage.

Speaker 3 (01:48:44):
He was at.

Speaker 10 (01:48:45):
No.

Speaker 6 (01:48:45):
I totally one agree if Lamar Lamar sat the rest
of that year because he didn't have that guarantee mine
And that's why NFL players need guaranteed money so you
avoid those things. And remember, going into the middle of November,
they were the number one seed in the AFC.

Speaker 4 (01:49:02):
Well, hey, he got hurt and went down.

Speaker 2 (01:49:04):
You know who's got guaranteed money.

Speaker 4 (01:49:06):
Oh, I know who got guaranteed money.

Speaker 2 (01:49:08):
Our guy, Martin Weiss, has guarantee.

Speaker 4 (01:49:09):
You just tried to run up on me in a hallway.
Y'all should have seen him tried to run.

Speaker 6 (01:49:13):
You can't try to like run like we had a
little Oklahoma drill just now in the hallway when I'm
trying to go to the bathroom.

Speaker 2 (01:49:19):
Was it because of your your josh Allen ninth P.

Speaker 4 (01:49:23):
Know, Martin, I we got a we got a real
healthy competition kind of love hate thing.

Speaker 3 (01:49:27):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:49:27):
I think that's why our show works. He tried to
tackle me as I exited the bathroom. Tarrytate offensive office.

Speaker 2 (01:49:35):
Barry Sanders him that happen.

Speaker 3 (01:49:38):
Of course.

Speaker 4 (01:49:38):
I was like, that was like the mad at door.
He was ran right through it. He ran right through it.

Speaker 8 (01:49:43):
Kyle Larson one of the NASCAR Cup Series in Indianapolis
Motor Speedway, Tyler Reddick and Ryan Blaney second and third.
Christopher Bell Bubba Wallace round out the top five. Sanders
Flay shot six under in the final round of the
one hundred and fifty second Open Championships. He ends nine
under par for the tournament, winning his second major of
his career Justin Rose Billy Horschel. They were both seven

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under part that's good for second overall.

Speaker 4 (01:50:08):
Packer Pro Bowl No.

Speaker 8 (01:50:09):
Cycle Kenny clarks on Day three year sixty four million
dollar extension. Today Major League Baseball, the Giants beat the
Rockies three to two. Jaye Solier with the longest home
run of the twenty twenty four season, four hundred and
seventy eight feet. Brewers over the Twins seven, eight to seven.
Nationals top the Reds five to two. That's a three
game sweep. Over the weekend, Phillies had one of the

(01:50:30):
best records in the National League thirty sixty three and
thirty six. They shout out the Pirates six to zero.
Cardinals beat the Braves six to two. Royals Seth Lugo
pitched his first career complete game, just three hits in
one run while striking out six as they beat the
White Sox four to one. Aaron Judge had his thirty
fifth home run of the year, three run bomb in
the seventh inning, but still Ray's outscored the Yankees six

(01:50:51):
to four. Blue Jays beat the Tigers five to four.
Padres edge of the Guardians two to one, Cubs over
the Diamondbacks two to one, and ten innings Rangers the
Orioles three to two. Jonah Heim with a fourth inning
three run home run. Brian and VJ.

Speaker 4 (01:51:06):
Back to you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:51:07):
By the way, Martin, I got a question for you.
Mary Mack has a question for us. I'm just thinking,
because you do the Saturday show with V Jay, I
do I've got all these opinions. How hard is it
to be doing updates and listening to whoever's hosting the
show and they're throwing out opinions you could not disagree
with more and you just pop on all right, the

(01:51:28):
Royals one three to one, You know what I mean.
I'd be sitting there like, oh my gosh, just throw
it to me one time so I could throw some
haymakers over here.

Speaker 4 (01:51:36):
You know, I say.

Speaker 8 (01:51:37):
I'm actually quite used to it by this point because
my other job producing Undisputed, I found a lot of
opinions that I disagree with.

Speaker 4 (01:51:45):
Yeah, and just keep on trucking. I learned to judge
the person, not the opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:51:51):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:51:51):
I love that.

Speaker 12 (01:51:52):
Now, Mary Mack with us here, technical producer, extraordinary. Yeah,
question for us Mary Well. I was because I was,
you know, listen to your guys, it's like listen stuff.
I was like asking, but I was like, I wonder
where they got Caleb Williams that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
I have him in the bottom ten right now.

Speaker 8 (01:52:07):
He's in your bottom tower in the Pandora's box here.
It's kind of cheating to have rookie quarterbacks when.

Speaker 1 (01:52:18):
Though, yeah, no, well, I think he's going to be
a good NFL player. I just think a rookie it's
just so hard to hit the ground running as a
rookie in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:52:29):
So that I think he's gonna work out. I think
he's gonna be really good.

Speaker 3 (01:52:32):
But I mean c J.

Speaker 2 (01:52:34):
Stroud and Justin Herbert, those are the exceptions.

Speaker 1 (01:52:36):
A lot of guys like John Elway stunk as a rookie,
Peyton Manning through more interceptions than touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (01:52:42):
These are all time greats, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:52:45):
And even in today's NFL, he's gonna be scrutinized like crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:52:49):
It's not gonna be easy for social media.

Speaker 8 (01:52:52):
He's a quirky I'm just criticizing quarterbacks in the bottom ten.
But you got Daniel Jones exists, Brian.

Speaker 2 (01:53:00):
He's in the bottom ten, he's higher up on the list.

Speaker 11 (01:53:03):
Would you take war Levis over Caleb Williams right now?

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
No, because he didn't play it fully.

Speaker 4 (01:53:10):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:53:10):
Yeah, if he played a little bit more, maybe I
might be tempted. But Caleb's got more ability.

Speaker 6 (01:53:15):
Will doesn't have it. Well, it's gonna show will he
what doesn't have it? They're he's they're playing. Listen, look
what they have there. Someone's got to take the snaps, right.
Tannehill was always tanne Hill was always for Gate and
I listened, I was pulling from elite to free. He's
not the guy either. He don't got it. No, neither
does Will that. They they're gonna have the number one pick.

Speaker 5 (01:53:36):
In the.

Speaker 11 (01:53:38):
Ye.

Speaker 4 (01:53:39):
Really, absolutely, the Titans are going to be terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:53:43):
I got to look at their season win total.

Speaker 5 (01:53:45):
They don't have a.

Speaker 4 (01:53:45):
Quarter at six and a half, I got a four yard.
I think it's like five or six and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:53:49):
You got Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:53:50):
I actually I agree with j there. I think they're
a sneaky, sneaky pick for worse year.

Speaker 4 (01:53:54):
Yeah, they're Patriots.

Speaker 11 (01:53:55):
They're kind of a retirement home for players.

Speaker 4 (01:53:57):
Yeah, they come on a new coach, no quarterback, you're
a franchise player franchise player walked out the door.

Speaker 1 (01:54:04):
Here's my minor pushback on Will Levis, Will the thrill
Levis as I call him. Here, I have more tongue
in cheek than anything.

Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
How are you convinced he's not the guy?

Speaker 3 (01:54:14):
What have you seen?

Speaker 2 (01:54:15):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:54:16):
Like he threw four touchdown passes in his first game
against the foul Cans.

Speaker 2 (01:54:19):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:54:20):
And he didn't get a whole lot of playing time.
He beat our Dolphins unfortunately, right vej, I go.

Speaker 6 (01:54:24):
Back and I look at number one to college tape, okay,
and I watched fundamentals. So I watched quarterbacks feet placement,
and I watched their release angles, and I watch their eyes.
His eyes are jittery, they're all over the place. That
can be helped, and so can his feet. But if
a quarterback, the average quarterback that doesn't fix his feet
within the first year and a half to two years

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of the NFL, he never. Cam Newton never fixed his feet.
That's what kept Cam Newton from being Remember he hit
the league four hundred yards first game, four hundred yards
second remember, right, But then sooner or later, teams get
tape on you, and teams can now watch.

Speaker 4 (01:55:01):
You over and over, and that's their job. These coordinators,
these defensive cord that's what they do. They don't go
to recitals. They miss all. The kid admits their wives
can't stand them, their football coaches.

Speaker 2 (01:55:13):
It's her birthday.

Speaker 4 (01:55:15):
Yeah, yeah, they's been there. They's been their own birthday
at the facility.

Speaker 2 (01:55:19):
But here's the thing, real fast. On the Titans.

Speaker 1 (01:55:21):
Sure, I'm not gonna say they're gonna be a double
digit win team or anything, but you could do worse
than this supporting cast. You may you overpay Calvin Ridley,
but he's a good receiver and you got him with
old man DeAndre Hopkins, who's still productive. You picked up
Tyler Boyd from the Bengals. That's not a bad one
two three right there. And all you got chick At
konk Wu, who's an underrated tight end. You picked up

(01:55:44):
Tony Pollard. Like I'll say this, there's enough around Will
Levis where if he stinks, it's not the supporting cast's fault,
you know what I mean. This isn't Sam Darnold with
the Jets or something crazy like that. He's got enough
around him where if he's anything, he should be productive.

Speaker 4 (01:55:58):
And I don't mind those guys.

Speaker 6 (01:55:59):
You but Tony Pollard, Okay, yep, you're a backup, your
career backup, and you couldn't even take the job from
Zeke and Dallas Calvin Ridley. He's not the same player
anymore ever since he you know, missed his one year
for the game for the stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:56:11):
He's pretty good.

Speaker 4 (01:56:11):
I like him, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:56:12):
DeAndre Hopkins, like you said, he's just kind of another
old guy out there.

Speaker 2 (01:56:16):
It's a good enough supporting cast. Or if will is good,
it should show right. You know, he's got he's gotta
I'm not saying it's star studded, but.

Speaker 4 (01:56:24):
So they'll lose a lot of twenty one to sixteen
games and they'll still end up with two.

Speaker 3 (01:56:27):
Or three one. I don't know what.

Speaker 1 (01:56:29):
I have more questions about him staying healthy than I
do about production. We'll see, we'll see, all right, coming up.
Would the criticism be lighter if the popularity was more so? Uh,
we'll dive into that. Right around the corner.

Speaker 2 (01:56:46):
He's VJ. Husky.

Speaker 1 (01:56:47):
I'm Brian No hang with us right here live from
the Tyreck dot Com studios on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (01:56:52):
It is Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 3 (01:56:54):
He's VJ.

Speaker 1 (01:56:55):
Husky, I'm Brian know so uh two things to throw
at your rapid fire style here, VJ. Good hanging with
you as well.

Speaker 4 (01:57:04):
Man always just real fast, Mary, What in the hell
is that?

Speaker 2 (01:57:07):
This is our walk offsad?

Speaker 4 (01:57:09):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:57:10):
All right?

Speaker 8 (01:57:10):
Bad.

Speaker 2 (01:57:10):
You should have seen the look he gave me. Oh
so bad. This is tradition here, Okay, how is it?

Speaker 1 (01:57:18):
This is like the modern age? Remember closing time? Remember
that song closing This is our version of that.

Speaker 4 (01:57:25):
Okay, okay, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:57:27):
Sound like, hey man, last call the light?

Speaker 3 (01:57:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:57:34):
You get to see what she really looks like.

Speaker 3 (01:57:36):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:57:37):
Whoa gosh, I didn't know she was a lagoon preacher.
Man throw the lights back off?

Speaker 1 (01:57:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:57:42):
Oh god.

Speaker 2 (01:57:43):
Okay, here's the first question.

Speaker 1 (01:57:44):
Sir, yes, sir, so Brownie James right, he's got a
lot of criticism, a lot because lebron is Listen, you
love them, you dislike him, We know how it goes.

Speaker 3 (01:57:56):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:57:56):
Here's my question.

Speaker 1 (01:57:59):
If in the NBA that is more popular, or at
least doesn't have as many like detractors, it doesn't have
as many haters, do you think their son would be
as criticized as Bronni like keep the scenario, the same
exact No right, Steph Curry's son has picked fifty fifth overall?

(01:58:20):
Is everybody is loud with oh gosh, nepotism? If Yo
Kisch same scenario, do you think it would change at all?
Is this mostly fueled by Lebron and it would be
a lot different if it's staph or Yokich or someone
like that.

Speaker 6 (01:58:33):
It's one hundred percent fuel by people's this thing for Lebron.
I haven't criticized Bronnie. I just simply said he's not
an NBA player. I've also been on record of saying
I like the kid. I really do, but it doesn't
feel like I've been around sports so much in my life.
It feels like Bronnie it was the son that I
want to play, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:58:53):
To please dad. Bryce seems like he's the baller like
Bryce is in this.

Speaker 6 (01:58:58):
Bronnie feels like he wants to be like an influencer
or like a TikTok guy. He just won a Call
of Duty tournament, so right, So what summer league guy
is putting that type of focus into video games that
really wants to play ball. It just it feels like,
and I've seen it covering AAU basketball my brother and
his son that made it to Carolina and went to

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the NBA, my nephew Kendall Marshall.

Speaker 4 (01:59:21):
I've seen it up close and.

Speaker 6 (01:59:22):
Personal with kids that do things in athletics and extracurriculars
to please daddy or mommy, and it feels that way
with Bronnie.

Speaker 1 (01:59:32):
I'll say this real fast, is that sometimes a comment
is looked at as a man you're just absolutely hating
where it's personal and it's like, like you just said
I don't think he's a pro. Right now, That doesn't
mean you're just personally hating on the guy. Jalen Brown
at the Celtics. He was sitting courtside. Yeah, I'm sure

(01:59:54):
he saw the video. I don't think Bronni is a
pro and he backtracked massively off of that, put a
follow up tweet, Bronni has all the tools around him
to be successful.

Speaker 4 (02:00:05):
He got trashed.

Speaker 2 (02:00:07):
But it's like, stand by your opinions. That's what you think.
Just saying you to death, you know what I mean?

Speaker 6 (02:00:15):
Like, he didn't say anything that wasn't true, Brian, that
was that was the main thing. I just didn't like
the fact he was sitting there with my blue angel
reaes I didn't appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (02:00:22):
Oh you didn't like that. No, she's two timing you.

Speaker 4 (02:00:25):
She owes me an explanation.

Speaker 2 (02:00:27):
Good hanging with you man, Everybody enjoying your evening. We'll
catch you soon.