The Fellas with Anthony Gargano & Jason Fitz talk Super Bowl Hype, Bills Tough Luck & More!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:49):
Good morning, Fitzie.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
How we feeling out of football free Saturday? Like, yeah,
we're supposed to be jack for college basketball today. I'm
just I want to be want to be I want
to be all excited for college basketball and say, hey,
don't worry about the guys, Everything's going to be just fun. Nope,
she's not that kind of you know, it just feels different.
Even the Pro Bowl is still going to get you know,

(01:11):
weird numbers just because it's football.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Like where where that bastball I mean, I can't watch
flag football, Like I'm sorry, I can't do it. I mean,
I mean I I would have. I used to watch
the I'm not gonna lie. I used to watch the
Pro Ball when it was on after the end of
the after the Super Bowl, because there was there was
no there was nothing right, So like you need the fix.

(01:39):
This is why I don't know. I may be in
on the what is it, the UFL.

Speaker 5 (01:44):
Yeah, the yes, the UFL, the former XFL.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, yeah, I think I'm going to be in on
the uf I was talking to Anthony Backt, he's one
of the coaches for the battle Hawks. I think I'm
gonna I think I'm going to be in on that.

Speaker 5 (01:57):
Look.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
I I covered the com b of the XFL for ESPN.
I did one of the season.

Speaker 5 (02:03):
Really yeah, it was. It was a blast. Like I
really enjoyed the XFL.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
I think the XFL as a for example, for everyone
that's sitting here confused by the kickoff rules, if you
were watching the XFL, you weren't confused by I mean,
the XFL a little bit of a testing ground, and.

Speaker 5 (02:18):
They did a great job.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
I've referenced this before, but one thing that was great
is Dean Blandino was their head of reviews, and so
every game, if a play was reviewed, it went to
a room that was miked up with Blandino and all
of the TVs and you could actually hear him go
through his process of his call on the review. So
sometimes you'd be sitting there. We'd be sitting there in
you know, a war room, watching games for getting ready

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for the show, and you would sit there and say, oh,
that's definitely a fumble, and then you'd hear Blandino on
the on the review say well, I see this, but
I don't see this and the rule needs this, and
you're like.

Speaker 5 (02:50):
Oh, oh well cool. I don't necessarily agree with you,
but at least I know what you were looking at.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
Like the XFL. Now, the UFL has done some really
nice things that the NFL and copies.

Speaker 5 (03:00):
I think the XFL UFL is a is a fun product.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 5 (03:05):
We should just be all in on the UFL.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Let's chew with brother, let's go for America. Yeah, I listen,
it's a good Coyle's day. We'll talk about it. I mean,
you know, North Carolina is not what North Carolina exactly.
Thank you thank you for for being blunt like that. Yeah,
you know, I mean, Duke, that rivalry is the greatest.

(03:29):
And I love Belichick. Who's buying free pizza for the kids.
I think it's beautiful. But you know, the game is
the game. The game is not gonna be that good.
I mean, there's some good there's some good teams, and
you know, we'll get into it, but but yeah, yeah,
it's not football, man.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
And it is interesting because the one thing with the
Pro Bowl that does stand out to me. The Pro
Bowl sucks. We all know the Pro Bowl sucks. But
let's go back to where we were kids. Okay, when
we were kids, they had that quarterback skills contest that
was filled in Hawaii and they always played it like
the middle of the summer, and it had been filmed
before and it was the best. What I can't figure
out is why we can't recapture that. And I realized, like,

(04:10):
I don't care if they moved the Pro Bowl to
a different time.

Speaker 5 (04:12):
I don't care.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
Like I wouldn't care if they did the fat guys
in one city and the quarterbacks in another city.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
And just to like these random fun you just turn
on the TV.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
You're like oh, like it was sort of a wide
world of sports moment and the wild world of sports
is going on here that I absolutely fell in love with. Right, So, like,
I think I wish the NFL could find it's one
of the few things that they did substantially better from
a marketing standpoint, delivery standpoint back then was they figured
out how to give us that and now you know,
the quarterback skills thing buried on a week night before

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the Pro Bowl. Nobody's watching that.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Nah, nobody's watching that. Nobody's watching the Pro Bowl. I mean,
I don't know what you do. You shame because the
one thing we've all learned is you can't play game
that doesn't count, like a game that doesn't matter. Nobody
is interested and interested in playing. So therefore I just

(05:07):
don't think you play. I think you kill it. I
don't know what you do, but you have just had
go dark. I mean, it's the whole thing stupid. Nobody cares,
and I don't know. I don't know if it's you
can make money off of it, I don't know. I'm
sure they generate some revenue, but I gave up on it.

(05:28):
I just don't know what to do. You think about Kyle.
If there's a million things, nobody's gonna play the game,
where's the chance they get hurt? Remember who was the
running back who hurt his foot? He played for the
Vikings in the Pro Bowl.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
I'm trying there was a Patriots running back. I've ever
heard his foot. Something was a beach beach that was
a Pro Bowl. God, but I think it was a Patriot. Uh,
let me see, I'm googling it out. Robert Edwards year
laters in his left knee the a C of the

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m c L and the PCO. I mean, he tore
up his knee, but that was and that was on sand.
Here's what's interesting, The numbers have declined. People still watch it.
The hard part is that, like I mean, so, a
bad Pro Bowl is going to get six million views
and a six million views.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
For everything else better than NBA game like that.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
That's what's crazy about it is that the struggle is real,
but it's still just because.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
I can't get thrown. I mean, honestly, you.

Speaker 5 (06:36):
Know, no, there's no reason to watch it.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
I don't know what you do to fill the void
in the spring. I think you just gotta I guess
you just gotta deal with it. I don't know what
you do. Like the spring football thing, I always loved I.
I always thought they should have been all in on
the World League. No.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
I used to love the World League of American Football.
Co was some respect to your voice. World League of
American Football was amazing. I don't know why I loved
it so much, but I really Wasn't it a because
it was felt like you were watching like the band
that nobody knew about yet, Like you saw players and coaches.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
This is where to my my, you know, Spags coach
in Germany.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
That's awesome. See that's and that's where again. I think
affiliated teams too would make a huge difference. Like if
there was if there was spring football that were guys.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Competings, you know in the Rome Eagles like that. You
give me that, you know, I got made watch and
that stuff. And if you get a couple couple of
guys there go two way, you know, get like two
way contract and play for the you know, for the Eagles,
like that would be good.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
Even if in the beginning of expansion you could only
have eight teams, every division could essentially have you could
have an AFS team North Amainia bring everybody together and
then you it's your practice squad guys, and yeah, I
mean I'd be watching the hell out of it. There's
a reason why so many people enjoy minor league baseball
that are baseball notes because you can turn around and say, hey,
I want to see who's coming up in the system.

(08:15):
Like if I was if I had incentive in the
spring to watch the Reno Raiders, I would do that
in a heartbeat, you know, just to see, you know, okay,
who's coming up the pipeline and who could turn out
to be really good. Obviously, you know, you only get
so many hits in your life, and I get that
a lot of Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
I mean, that's what makes you But you're right, Unfortunately,
that's what makes it impossible that in the fact that
college football is so great and the nil and guys
stay and you know, because now you could stay six years, right,
So there's no you don't have to go anywhere like

(08:50):
you could develop in college. If you're a late bloomer
and you develop a twenty three, you're good. You still
could work and still play.

Speaker 6 (09:00):
You Pete, there's just an interesting phenomenon for athletes that
you know, I see a lot because I will say
living in New England right now, like New England's a
very there's a ton of adult athletic leagues of some sort.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
Baseball leagues, kickball leagues, dodgeball, it doesn't matter. Like there
are competitive leagues everywhere. And one thing that I think
is never lost to me whant to watch them is
how many athletes you know, were great for so many
years and then you wake up one day and you
don't have anywhere to get that outlet anymore. Right, if
you were a high level college athlete, you graduate from

(09:37):
college whatever your sport was, and I don't care if
you were a swimmer or a football player. You wake
up one day and you're like, okay, now what do
I do to get that same competitive Like there aren't
adults you know, kickball, There aren't adult swimming leagues.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
From people have about the Olympians, right well yeah, right, yeah, So.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
You just wake up one day and you're like, oh,
I don't get to do this anymore. Like if you're
a musician, at least you can still go to a
carry key bar and you know, have a little fun
and show off, right, Like you can you can have
a jam band somewhere and go book a gig if
you really want to like most things, right, yeah yeah,
But like if you're an athlete, you just wake up
one day and it's gone for me. While so many
people spend time watching things like the UFL and talking

(10:17):
about how it's not as good as the NFL, I
look at it and say, man, most of these players
aren't going to play in the NFL, and they still
get to play football for money, Like that's that's kind
of cool. Like not a lot of money, but hey,
they get to go out there and play football that
they love in front of a crowd. Like that's that's
one of the beautiful things about it. Like I realize
we want everything to be at an NFL level or
a high level college football. I just want at some

(10:38):
human level for guys to be able to continue to
do what they've done since they were eight years old,
even if they can't do it, you know, at the
highest level with the one percent of the one percent.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Dude, that's a great that's a great point, man. It's
a that's a grounded and it's a it's a great,
great point. I love it. I think you're you're spot on,
your spot on with it, all right, I gotta ask you,
because I'm chomping at the bit. Well, I think this

(11:08):
matchup is ridiculously good. From an ex and out standpoint,
I'm fascinated by this match I think this is I
know people have cheese fatigue and they hate the Eagles, right, like,
I get it. But if you get past your biases
and you look at the matchup, it's a great football matchup.

Speaker 5 (11:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
Look, I don't have either of the things that you
just mentioned, so maybe I'm the wrong target audience. Like,
I respect the greatness of what we're seeing in Kansas City,
and I absolutely like I got no reason to hate
the Eagles at all. The chance to see Saque run
against that defense is to me particularly, it's exciting.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
I think we if we were.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
Talking about great possible ending matchups for this whole season,
what we got were too of the most dominant teams
in the NFL throughout the course of the year that
won a lot of games because they're very good.

Speaker 5 (12:04):
Right.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
I don't want to oversimplify, but there's an element for
me that unfortunately I've stopped doing math so like, and
what I mean by that is Mahomes is trailed in
the fourth quarter of every Super Bowl he's ever been in,
which is wild to me. Every super Bowl he's ever
been in, he's been behind in the fourth and he's won.
How many of them?

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Right?

Speaker 4 (12:24):
And then you think about the fact that Mahomes has
had the ball in his hands in the final three
minutes needing a score to go ahead or tie seven
times in his life in the playoffs seven times, and
all seven times that he's had the ball in his
hands with under three minutes to go and needing a
score to tire or win, he's seven for seven. He's
gotten the points every single time. Brady was five out

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of eleven, so five times he got it, six times
he didn't. The league average was forty percent. Mahomes has
never had the ball in his hands in the playoffs
of the Super Bowl and not with under three minutes
left and not gotten the game tying or winning score.
So for me, the problem with the game if you
have Chiefs fatigue is that I believe you're right, it's
gonna be a very good game. And if it's gonna

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be a very good game, that means the Chiefs are
gonna win. That breaks my heart. To say it that way.
Doesn't make a lot of sense. But that's just the
way the numbers always. The weenie in me just keeps
looking at and saying the math. The math is math,
and and the math says the Chiefs win a close
football game.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah, I know, I've heard that. It's funny. Do you
don't Who told me man, I feel like I'm talking
to him? Was the brain.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
To say?

Speaker 2 (13:32):
And he used the same verbiage you date. I mean,
if I told you guys parody of each other, it's
it's uncanny.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
And I get that, but I don't believe.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
I believe in greatness and greatness shown, but also agree.
I also believe that each circumstance is different and it
doesn't mean that the outcome is gonna become is the same.
I mean, obviously you can't get Mahomes Andy Spags. I mean,

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you know, I mean, they are all winners, but when
you match it up and you actually know it, the
Eagles are better because the Eagles are better in the trenches,
and that's why they win. And it mystifies people, it does.
They just don't go. They see Barkley and they get Barkley,

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but they don't get how Barkley is so dominant. Brady
brought something up the other last week during the broadcast
where he was saying, man, their Eagles are a run
explosive team, which we've never seen before that they score
on these home run balls because teams go, all right, well,

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I got to stop Barkley.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
So how do I stop the run?

Speaker 2 (14:52):
I fill every gap and that means I got to
crowd the box and go eight. I mean saw the
rams but nine once a couple of times in the box.
And when you do that and you lose gap control
or the Eagles old line is just too big, too strong,

(15:12):
too good. That's where you get Barkley's home runs. Like
you're gonna get you. You'll win a couple of downs,
right like he'll you'll get You'll stop them for three,
he'll stop them for two, but then he'll go sixty
on you. And you know, I don't know how you
defeat that. The Eagles line, oh line is the best

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in football, and they have the best running back. And
here's the other issue. Hertz isn't borrow. We all know
that all this nonsense and God, the energy that we
waste talking about Jalen Hurts and how he's not Mahomes
and he's not Borrow and blah blah blah blah blah
or Lamar. It doesn't matter because he does two things

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really well. He can run and move and when there's
a man, when you have man on the outside, he
can make it down the field, throw and drop it
in the bucket. He's very good at that. His latest
one was the fourth and five to AJ Brown last week.
The game was stole a game. Eagles go for it

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and they basically put the game away when he goes
fourth and five down the field to aj for like
thirty yards. And those two things compliment what the Eagles
O line and Barkley does. And on the other side
of the ball, Jalen Carter's unblockable. He's a game wrecker.

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And then you funnel Carter and Nolan Smith from the outside.
All the Georgia connection to the secondary, which is really good.
So they play complimentary football. Their offense complements their defense,
and they're the best team up front.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
I agree with absolutely everything you said, and look at
the yards before contact on Saquan. It really speaks to
how good the offensive line is. Had the chance the
other day to talk to Kyle Long and he spent
the majority of the time talking about the Eagles. Talking
frankly about the fact that Saquon gets to work because
he's got such a great offensive line in front of
him doesn't mean Saquon's not amazing.

Speaker 5 (17:23):
It just means that these two things work in partnership incredibly.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
Well, I agree with everything you just said, but it
doesn't change like you're right, I don't. Necessarily every game
is a new situation. I was at a roulette table
a couple of years ago in Vegas and somebody walked
up to the table.

Speaker 5 (17:39):
I'd one on thirty one, so always.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
Play thirty one. So a guy walks up and he's like, oh,
thirty one is hot because it had hit like three times.
And the dealer looked over and said, numbers don't get hot.
Every time we roll the every time we spend, you
have the same chance, the same odds. The numbers don't
get hot. And then thirty one hit right after that,
and so I get it, Like, numbers physically can't get hot.
And he's randomly spinning a ball, but if it lands

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in the same place over and over and over again,
that means something. If you're twelve and oh, this season
in one score games and you're seventeen and oh in
the last seventeen in one score games, and you win
all of these playoffs games by one score. It comes
back to one thing we've talked about repeatedly, which is
what I believe for Kansas City is an absence of pressure.
They no longer feel any they don't even feel adrenaline.

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It at this point, like it's a normal Sunday. And
so in a game that's going to be decided by
probably three plays, do you trust the team that's been
here so many stinking times? The quarterback that for whatever
reason has just seven for seven with the ball in
his hands in a close game, Like, those are the
things that they don't make sense.

Speaker 5 (18:43):
They don't line up. But I also think it's fairly true.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
Spend a lot of this year talking about how broken
not you and I but the football society talking about
how broken Kansas City is, and they won fifteen games,
So like it doesn't make sense.

Speaker 5 (18:56):
I agree with everything you said.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
The Eagles are a better football team, But how I
pick against Mahomes at this point? Like, how can I
pick against Andy Reeds bacs?

Speaker 2 (19:04):
I'll tell you how is that not every opponent's every
opponent is equal, right, Like, yeah, I completely get everything
you're talking about when it comes to one score games,
and teacher really good at that, but they've never played
a team that is this much better than them.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
We've also given.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
And I don't know that, I don't know that the
game is going to be a one score game at the.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
End, that that's the only way it happens. Like if yeah,
if they're up by ten in the fourth quarter, if
the Eagles are up by ten in the fourth quarter,
then you're smooth sailing. But like you're we're also then
asking the best bye week coach of all time to
not thrive after the bye through the bye week essentially,

(19:50):
Like I just those are the I has an extra
week to get ready for this, Listen.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
I mean I am in a weird situation personally, Oh sure, sure,
because I.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Mean I love those guys.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
I mean I I talked to Andy and Spag I
the Spags like five times this week, texting because he's
swamped and we were just going back and forth old
you know, and you know I talked to Andy a
couple of times.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
I mean, I love those guys.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
I covered them, I was with them and we became
friends and the whole thing. So I love those guys.
In fact, I know Andy ultimately more than Nick. I
like Sirianni, and obviously I'm close to Howie and that group.
But the.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
I'm nobody's more respect for what they do than me.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
But I'm telling you, nobody realizes how good the Eagles are.
And it has to do with their front like playing
cop Like here's the thing. Oh, we gotta take a break.
Bree's gonna kill us. And I can go chapter and
verse for the next four hours on this whole thing.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
I'm I'm fascinated, but you got to indulge me.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
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Speaker 2 (21:28):
Fellas Jason Fitz Anthony Gargano. So we're we're going toe
to toe here trying to figure out the uh the
Chiefs mystique versus the Eagles. Uh greatness, I guess that's
the word for it. Dominance is the word for it,

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and that's that's who they are, right They're a dominant
football team up front, and that's what makes them dangerous.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
They play this so they played.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
This complimentary football FITSI and having you know, studying them,
you just see it like their defense matches their offense
because they run the ball and on defense they don't
give up big plays like Fangio's ben but don't break thing.
It fits It fits Barkley in their offense because they

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don't they force teams to matriculate, right like Washington and
its opening drive last week took eighteen plays to get
a field goal. Eighteen plays like, sooner or later, you're
gonna fail on first down, you're gonna be behind the sticks,

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you're gonna commit a penalty, or in Washington's case, you're
you're gonna turn the ball over.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Right, So and.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Their opening drive they did exactly what they needed to
do was go eighteen plays, but they only got three
and then they give up a home run the Barkley
and you look up and you're you're down.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
That's demoralizing.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
Yeah, there's no doubt about it. And that's you know,
I think one of the things in this this game.
That's that's interesting is Mahomes is going to have to
get rid of the ball quick, which means to me
they're going to try and sort of replicate long drives.

Speaker 5 (23:21):
And if we just look at the.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
AFC Championship game, look at what worked and what didn't
work for Kansas City. For Kansas City, particularly again, Mahomes
getting rid of the ball quick is a big part
of what happens there to try and avoid the fact
that their offensive line may or may not like. This
combination is working better, but it's not a strength compared
to like the Eagles, for example, And then defensively, Buffalo

(23:43):
ran the ball on them, but they stopped running with
James Cook. I don't know why Buffalo didn't give James
Cook the ball twenty five times instead of thirteen. I'm
not smart enough to figure that out, apparently. But the Eagles,
I don't think we'll make that same mistake, right, So yeah,
I mean you're a thousand percent right.

Speaker 5 (24:00):
The hard part on this is that if you're Philadelphia.
The hard part for Kansas City is that stopping Saquon.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
I think is impossible. Like, let me be clear, I
think winner lose Saquon is going to have one hundred
and forty hundred and fifty yards in this game, like
even that's past.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
That's right, Yeah, yeah, right.

Speaker 4 (24:17):
So Kansas City holding Saquon in check, Like if you're
the Chiefs, you just kind of go into this game
in my mind expecting, yeah, he's going.

Speaker 5 (24:24):
To break a couple of long ones for touchdowns. They're
gonna be like bombs.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
And I loved your point earlier, and it's an important
one that you know, because of the way that offensive
line is built, because of the Saquan's ability. If you
send the farm to try and stop the run, which
the Eagles did the last time these two teams played
in the Super Bowl, same thing. Everybody thought the Eagles
are run on them. They stuffed the run. There's no
Saquon like, so I just don't care about that outcome compared,

(24:47):
you know what I mean, Like Saquon is gonna eat,
There's no doubt about it. So the question is if
you were Kansas City, can you make the most out
of every drive and can you avoid mistakes? You know,
when you're getting rid of you're gonna have to get
rid of the ball so quickly. Like Jalen Carter is
just gonna be a disruptor, right, so you know, there's
there's no doubt about it. Like again, if I was
playing this game I Madden. If I was just picking

(25:08):
this game, if they didn't wear the jerseys they wore,
I think the Eagles win comfortably. I think that's that's
probably pretty fair. But my god, the number of times
I've said that about the Chiefs have been so wrong
because they're the Chiefs. That's the part. Like, I know
that's not a great answer here, but like that is
the answer. Like you're I'll go back to giving Andy
and Spags the bye week to get ready for this thing,

(25:30):
like they're gonna have things cooked up. Like they just
don't lose after bye week. So all of that, they
just don't lose these things.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
You know, Sometimes you're just not as good as your opponent, right,
Like sometimes you can't scheme your way, you know, out
of trouble. I mean, sometimes you can't scheme your way
past an offensive line that is so dominant and on
and on defense, like the fronts, like all the tricks

(25:58):
in the bag sometimes don't work.

Speaker 4 (26:01):
I guess I just for me, I felt like Buffalo
was a better team and maybe not as much better
as the Eagles, but last year going into the Super Bowl,
I felt like San Francisco was a better team. And
maybe not as maybe the gap isn't as big, but
the last year going into the Super Bowl certainly felt
like the way that the forty nine Ers offense was

(26:21):
humming and as talented as they were and is broken
as the Chiefs offense looked at times coming into that
Super Bowl, it just, man, it felt like San Francisco was.

Speaker 5 (26:30):
A better team. So like that that's why I hear you.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
But also that's happened so many times, like the number
of times they're like, wow, it's just they're they're not
as good and and that's why I heard somebody the
other day on one of the sports sock showers I
was listening to talking about the fact that, well, this
is gonna end eventually for the Chiefs because they're not
gonna be able to keep a ton.

Speaker 5 (26:49):
Of talent around my homes as he makes more more money.
And I'm like, really, because.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
Certainly feels like the Chiefs have figured out, no matter
who's around him, like this is what they do.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Just yeah, it's stupid. Second of all, he's gonna be
like Brady, and it's gonna become a point where he's
you know, he's not gonna he'll He'll do whatever he
needs to do to make sure they feel the team.
Otherwise he's not gonna, you know, he's he wants to win.
He's the most marketable guy in the league right now.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
So you know, State Farm.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Is the nil subsidies, gonna whatever cap lubber you put.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
The next one said, that's well said. You know, I
think in reality, I like the corners of the Eagles
better than the receivers of the Chiefs. Obviously, I don't
think that's a hot take. I think that the Eagles
are well positioned to be able to slow down Kelsey,
which again I don't think is a hot take. I
don't think the offensive line for the Eagles can hold

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up against the defensive line, or some of the offensive
line of the Chiefs can hold up against the defensive
line of the Eagles. Like all of these things should
make points at a premium, but it's there's always some
random you know, Just when we thought Kelsey was washed,
he wasn't. Just when we thought Xavier Worthy wasn't gonna
be a big part of something, he was like it's
just there's always somebody that steps up and steps in.

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So that's all part of it.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Because like the math, like you go to the math,
I go to the matchups, right, I go to the
X and O and sometimes the X and Oh most
of the time the X and O prevails, right, like
most of the time if you're executing the way you
should execute.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
And it's just man the man.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Like like you brought up the Eagles defensive front against
the Chiefs old line. They fixed their problems for the
most part by kicking Joe Tuney out right like to tackle.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
But calli endo left guard is a problem.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, And if I'm the Eagles and Vic Fangeer is
not stupid, I'm just gonna move Carter down instead of
putting them over right guard, I'm gonna put him over
left guard and go and go good luck because now
you have to it's an automatic double. And by the way,
Carter might be might be able to even beat the double.

(29:15):
So now I got numbers on you. And and it's
not like you could chip A got pressure, B got pressure.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
You're right about that, Like there isn't a The chip
point is an important one, you know for everybody like.

Speaker 5 (29:28):
If if you're not.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
If that doesn't make sense, just think about the fact
that so often you can leave somebody into help. It's
tougher to help for interior.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Like x O line, you're taught to pass to the
outside like everybody passes to the outside. So in other words,
you pass your man, you fortify the middle, and you
keep passing the man down the line to the edge.
That's so you can you can actually help out. So

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everybody's supposed to eat when you blitz, and all you're
supposed to be. It's go back to to collectiator maximists,
hold your live right right, be as be as one.
It's to say, basic philosophy of oh live play.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
Yeah, and this is just a man that's a nightmare
to do. That's why. And I might've been pro football focused.
One of them had the numbers on Mahomes getting rid
of the ball early. That's just become an important part
of this offense when he's throwing it, and he's gonna
have to be he's gonna have to.

Speaker 5 (30:30):
Be so decisive.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
So quickly we talk about the first fifteen plays being scripted,
it'll be interesting to see what the approach is gonna
be forgetting the ball out of mahomes hands as quickly
as possible, or getting that pocket moving. They're gonna have
to move things around. They're gonna have to run away
from Jalen Carter for a lot of this game. And
I don't mean run the ball away from him. I
mean they're gonna have to move the pocket to try
and keep Mahomes away from him as best they can,

(30:54):
you know.

Speaker 5 (30:54):
And that's and that bet.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
As best they can is not accidentally said by me,
because I don't think you can. There's certain guys like
Miles Garrett is no matter what your game plan is,
he's gonna wreck it, right like Max Crossby, no matter
how many people you put on him, he's gonna he's
gonna wreck it. Jalen Carter is a reminder of how
impactful they can be when you get that guy that
can be that dynamic and the inside the interior of

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a defensive line, because.

Speaker 5 (31:18):
God, it's just it's so hard to figure out what
to do, you know. And so now you've also again
with these with.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
These young this young secondary and that's where Howie Roseman
I think deserves an award of you know, I mean
GM of the Year sure, but like he deserves something
named after him for the way this offseason went. My god,
I mean addressing the the secondary, the way that he
addressed the secondary with the Eagles while also getting.

Speaker 5 (31:43):
The values that he got in free agency.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
Is just that's a that's a Hall of Fame offseason,
a hall of to get that many impactful guys, to
get four or five guys out of one off season
that have become that impactful as Hall of Fame level. So,
you know, I think they're well positioned again, every every
step of their defense, every level of their defense can
handle Kansas City.

Speaker 5 (32:05):
You know. It's just questions, how do you hand them
a homes?

Speaker 4 (32:08):
You know, And that's that's something that maybe maybe they
have the game plan for. But god, you gotta think
Andy's gonna.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Have some dialed up Well, yeah, here's the Yeah, definitely
it's Andy. Right. Here's one thing that is a problem
for Andy when he goes to the lab and is
looking at this stuff.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
The Eagles are so good on the perimeter.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
See, they're light years better than they were in twenty
twenty two, light years better on defense. On defense, people
made a big deal about their defense, and oh, my god,
have a lot of sacks and all the sacks came
from the edge, and they did, but they also feasted
on a lot of bad quarterback play. If you go
back to that schedule that they played and who they played,

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they feasted on bad quarterback play.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
This defense is legitimate.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
So not only do they have a great secondary with
Sleigh and quinnyon Mitchell, but Cooper Degene is a wild
card because he's such a great athlete. He's such a
great tackler that he could play on the outside as
a corner, but he's better, more effective as a nickel
corner in the middle of the field, and he takes

(33:21):
away that edge when they go at fast, quick flash play,
he takes them away.

Speaker 5 (33:29):
Yeah, which is one of the curious things to me.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
I still go back to the draft process and I
think everybody they're scouting him. I don't know why Cooper
was still sitting there for the Eagles. Eagles just the
number of times they do the right thing, which is like,
hey this guy, great football player, we're taking him in
the draft. It's maddening to see these things like Cooper
de Gene's success I think was to me, it's pretty
stunning that he lasted as long as he did in

(33:52):
the draft.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Yeah, I mean I can't believe they. I mean, one
fell swoop you create your secondary for ten years. It's
unbelievable with how we did with that. But you get
my point right, like the ambulas to go quick to worthy.
So if you if you those you know those stalk blocks,
so you know you can't engage until the receiver has

(34:15):
the ball right. So when you get the ball out
that quick on the edge, you got a stalk right.
So that means you can't engauge the defender is so
you surround them so the defender has a way to
break through that.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
The only way is to blow it up. And that's
what Cooper does.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Cooper's so great at at fight through those stalk blocks
and getting in to blow up that play. And that's
a big play in kans City's arsenal to Worthy and
it's a big play used to get to them. Do
you remember last week when Washington tried to do that
a couple of times and Eagles blew it up?

Speaker 5 (34:58):
Oh y.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
Did the Dan Army Brown?

Speaker 2 (35:01):
They tried. They tried twice and and that's a that's
a key play. Anyway, Uh, we'll continue I love this stuff.
By the way, FITZI like, this is what I mean, Like,
I can't wait to watch the chess match because you're right,
all this stuff that we're talking about is and he's
up against spags up against But they ain't going out

(35:24):
not trying.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
You know what I'm saying. To use the double negative.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
They're they're they're gonna come up, They're gonna cook up
something where the Fellas Jason Fitz Anthony Gargano hang it
Fox Sports Radio Fellas Jason Fitz, Anthony Gargano. By the way,
I did uh the Gullics the other day, and of
course Junior says hello and uh, we were talking about

(35:50):
you at length during their show. It was a lot
of fun.

Speaker 5 (35:54):
Well, you know, for what it's worth.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
I mean, they're they're good people obviously, but yeah, they
checked him first to get the seal of approval.

Speaker 5 (36:02):
They were like, hey, Gargano, good guy.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
And I said, the best, you know, the best. I said,
if you want somebody that can break down film and
give you all the x's and o and also do
it with just a little bit of sass that makes
you feel like you're listening to the sopranos, Yeah, I.

Speaker 5 (36:15):
Got your guy. Look, I can't wait to see.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
We're gonna both be in New Orleans next week, so
you know it's gonna be. There's gonna be bear hugs
on radio row. Let's go like it's gonna be. It's
gonna be a wild week and a good week.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Sazaax, sazaax, you and me, sasaax?

Speaker 4 (36:35):
What is what is sazaax?

Speaker 3 (36:36):
I'm sorry, Oh, it's it's a New Orleans. It's a drink.

Speaker 4 (36:40):
Oh well, I mean, I mean I'm still a beacon
of health. But you know we'll maybe have a opposite.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Okay, what do you what's your plan? It's New Orleans, right, yeah, yeah,
I packed.

Speaker 4 (36:59):
I started to pack yesterday just because I got a
busy day today and fly them all. So started packing
yesterday and grabbed the protein bars and the protein shakes
and you know the things to make sure to state like, look, man,
like I've been eating so clean for so long. At
this point, if I go in there and just suddenly
bust out pignes and at tufe, I'm gonna like, like
the just the my entire body is just gonna turn

(37:20):
into one big balloon, a bloat just walking around like
I'll be floating my way through Radio row.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Noah, I'm talking less food.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Although I mean, you know, if the restaurants forget the bagnets,
like you know, you could you know, yes, yeah, I
mean there's other ways to get your indulge on drinking,
Like what's your what?

Speaker 5 (37:43):
Like?

Speaker 2 (37:43):
I went right to it, man, because listen, I love
New Orleans. The orlds is great city. The food is
sick right, it's it's the restaurants scene is unbelievable. I
love I love that food. I love their I love
their cuisine. But you know, it's just such a great

(38:05):
and not just Bourbon Street, Frenchman Street, like the every
the whole city has got a happy vibe to it.
And you know you get there and there's gonna be
so much you know, let's face parties and it's a
great walking city.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
So you know you're gonna go out. You want to
enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
It's the perfect place to go, have a couple of
cocktails and enjoy yourself.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
You mean, you don't you think they won't look at
me funny when I walk into Bourbon.

Speaker 5 (38:32):
Street and be like, do you have anything mocktails on
the menu? Any mocktails on the menu?

Speaker 8 (38:37):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (38:37):
You know, I might break down and have one. You know,
it's a for for you. Brother, I break dout.

Speaker 5 (38:42):
It happened.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Brother.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
You like the bourbon? Do you like the taste?

Speaker 2 (38:45):
You like bourbon?

Speaker 5 (38:46):
I mean it's been almost a year at this point. Yes,
I used to.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
I used to. I used to like bourbon a lot.
But you know, I don't know now, like my taste
punds might have changed.

Speaker 5 (38:54):
Man exploration. I mean, let's just see where it goes.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Yeah, man, I like it.

Speaker 5 (38:59):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
That's fantastic. What a great city. I mean, my god,
super Bowl in New Orleans. It's uh, it's it's pretty awesome.

Speaker 5 (39:09):
Weather's gonna be perfect too. Let's go.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Oh dude, you got me popped up? Where the fellas
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Speaker 1 (39:19):
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Speaker 2 (39:22):
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(40:05):
the way tire buying should be. Uh, fitzy, this is
always the week where it's like a little you know,
you get melancholy because there is no football. You gore, right, well,
what's next? I need to kind of turn the page
and is it? Is it college basketball for us? I

(40:26):
guess that's what it's.

Speaker 5 (40:27):
Going to be. Yeah, I mean to me when we
get to this spot.

Speaker 4 (40:32):
I mean, you love the NBA obviously being in a
great NBA market, and I watched the job. Well that's yeah,
that's another conversation. But you know, I think that there's
a magic to college basketball that is a beautiful thing,
like the crowds. Like last night, I found myself sucked
into Indiana Purdue. Is it because Indiana Purdue really matters? No,

(40:55):
it's just because there's something about you know, fourteen thousand
college kids just yelling, screaming at it that has a
great energy. So yeah, I'm I'm on it on on,
you know, becoming the hub of all college basketball.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
I mean, how about the game at Nude today Florida
and Tennessee.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
That's a that's a real good today.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
You know. The good thing is and I think the
schedule lines up perfectly, like because you got to be
able to capture people today, Telly's a big day because
the first day without football, right first weekend, and you know,
this is where you got to capitalize. That's why these

(41:36):
other leagues you gotta be smart, like you gotta look
at the football calendar and go.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
You know, people are used to watching games. It's wintertime.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
People aren't going outside yet I can capture them with
a real good products. And so why don't I put
my best foot forward and give you, like some of
the great matchups, some interesting matchups so today.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
Well, which by the way, is why if I was
the programming god, I would have put, you know, to
your point, Duke North Carolina, I have put like Sunday
afternoon at one o'clock, like just because Eastern the world
is used to watching you know, CBS, Fox, things like
that at one and four pm on Sunday, So like
I would have stacked the usual football audience and been like, hey,

(42:21):
here's the reminder of our big college basketball rivers. Now
Duke North Carolina and North Carolina stinks issue, let's not
get a twist in it. But Duke has Cooper Flag,
who has become Cooper Flag is kind of like Deon
Sanders to college football. Any you want to get people
to click on any content you make, just say the
words click Cooper Flag, like he is the incredible, incredible star.

Speaker 5 (42:45):
For Duke that everybody has all eyes on.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
That's gonna he's this year's Zyon, you know, the one
and done guy. So it'll be fun to watch Cooper
in that rivalry game. But North Carolina stinks. But still,
I think you're right. This is good weekend for college
basketball to showcase someone.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
With This day's a great day.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
I mean at noon Florida Tennessee, au Burn Old Myths
at two o'clock, which is a real good game. Alabama
George is a good game. At four o'clock, Kansas Baylor
is a good game. At four o'clock. Texas Tech at
Houston is a good game. At six o'clock. You got
Duke North Carolina at eight o'clock tonight, Yu Khon and Marquette,

(43:25):
which is really good basketball. And then I liked this
Kentucky team too. They got Arkansas tonight. That's a nine.
So you got a lot of ball. But to your point,
you're right on. I don't know what anybody's thinking because
tomorrow afternoon is dead. I don't know why you don't

(43:45):
play tomorrow. Yeah, even the NBA st the NBA doesn't
have anything at the afternoon tomorrow either.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
I don't want to gloss over. You mentioned that Kentucky
Alaba Arkansas game. Let's remember that's coach.

Speaker 5 (44:00):
Coming back to Kentucky.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
And I think it's interesting some of the projections right
now for anyone that hasn't watched the second of college basketball.

Speaker 5 (44:07):
I think Joel Lonardi's.

Speaker 4 (44:08):
Last projection has thirteen of the sixteen teams in the
SEC going to the NCAA Tournament.

Speaker 5 (44:14):
Yeah, that's how good the SEC is.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
But one of the three teams that would not make
the tournament is coach cal in Arkansas. So like there
is a very real Arkansas is failing in the first
year with John Calperry is their head coach. Now you
can say it's year one, but I don't know that
we have the same grace and patients in college basketball.
Not that there's much patience anywhere, but college basketball has
become such a one and done recruit him, get him

(44:38):
out the style, especially for coach cal This season is
an epic fail for Arkansas, so seeing him go back
to Kentucky where he accomplished a lot. But let's not
get it twisted like they didn't always love him there.

Speaker 5 (44:49):
Like it's gonna be interesting.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
There's a lot of heat in that game, even if
Arkansas socks.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah. No, now, you're right, it's a great point. Now
you bring up, No, I can't. I never dive first year, right,
first year, you gotta you gotta give some grace.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
No, I would, I would, But I don't know college
if you're Arkansas fans the way you just celebrated getting him,
I don't know, Like, I don't know how uh how
patient you're willing to be you got to be. I mean,
I don't think there's a big choice in this, but
it's going to take a second to.

Speaker 5 (45:24):
Move it around.

Speaker 4 (45:24):
I think it just gets really hard to swallow when
you realize that the SEC is so stinking good right
now and you're not part of that. You know, that's
the when you feel like everybody else in your conference.

Speaker 5 (45:36):
Is and you aren't. That is a that is a
tough pill to swallow.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Yeah, yeah, no, I mean not your your points, your
points right on?

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Hey, real quick?

Speaker 2 (45:48):
What's he talking about Adam Silver shortening the quarters?

Speaker 5 (45:54):
I mean, do you hate it?

Speaker 3 (45:56):
I freaking loath it. I think if I hate it,
I hate. I hate him as a commissioner.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
I gotta tell you, I hate I hate what he's
doing under him this league as as completely lost control. Yeah,
he made a lot of money for the owners. Who cares?
He killed the sport. I cannot stand at him Silver,
the job he's done. And by the way, he's a
hearty mother father, all right. I mean his first the

(46:27):
first words Alvias mouth every single freaking time, is to
blame that all his problems.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
Well, you know, it's not the way he used to be, old.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
Heads, which is I don't know, you just don't go
very far on that. Look at It's funny because a
few years ago people were sitting there saying that Adam
Silver should run the NFL like there were.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
His ideas blow they always sucked. I'm sorry his ideas.
What's he done? That's good?

Speaker 3 (46:57):
He killed me.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
The All Star Game sucks. The playoffs suck. Other than lose,
you lose all the momentum. The league salary structure stinks,
the schedule stinks. What's he done?

Speaker 4 (47:11):
I think the other part of his era has been
he's overseen the era where player empowerment, which is something
I generally favor, has become so overwhelming that it just
becomes impossible, right, Like, it's at this point players are
making money, Teams are making money, and that's all anyone
ever cares about.

Speaker 5 (47:30):
But the longevity of the sport, Like, if.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
We talk a lot, they're going to have Yes, yeah,
the NBA is gonna end up. I think like it
like Baseball in ten years, where sure they've they've got
their fans, but it doesn't resonate the way that it did.

Speaker 5 (47:45):
It becomes sort of a niche sport for that group.
And it's just that I don't disagree with you.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
The only thing I thought was nothing this big, right,
I'm sorry, but nothing this big is going to completely collapse.
You're always going to have a semblance fans. I mean,
you know it is what it is. But the days
of the Roaring twenties where you're printing money or the
Roaring nineties will call him and into the two thousands

(48:11):
with Lebron and Kobe's that's over. That's over, and he
landed all fall because yeah, player empowerment's good until they
run the league and can do whatever you want. And
you got Jimmy Butler acting like a freaking creep spoiled.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
I don't want to player anymore. I'm leaving.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Forget your contract, forget any kind of devotion to your team,
forget all that stuff. I went out and the minute
you sold out to that, you got trash as a league.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
I mean since one of my very first radio shows
I ever did professionally, when I had gotten out of
the podcast world into before podcasts or what they are now,
and into radio. So this is probably twenty sixteen, twenty
seven there. I got destroyed at the time on radio
for sitting here saying one team's gonna have to stand up,
Like the player empowerment thing is great right now, but

(49:08):
somebody at some points gonna have to stand up and
say nope. Otherwise you're gonna get to a situation where
teams can't plan for what their futures look like. YadA, YadA, YadA.
I think the difference we have to understand, Like, I'm
a big fan of players in the NFL doing whatever
the hell they want to to get whatever the hell
they need to, because their contracts aren't fully guaranteed. So
knowing that a team can cut you and you don't

(49:28):
get that money at any time, I need players to.
I want players to go out and get theirs in
the NFL. In the NBA, those contracts are fully guaranteed.
So that's a much different world to me because now
you've got a situation where the team's gonna be whatever
team has you is committed to the financials of you,
which means that's a different level of year in and

(49:50):
year out, real money, not fake money, not cap money,
not any of those, Like real cash dollars have to
be paid out no matter what. Now you're talking about.
A cont tractor is truly in the NBA, far more
of a fifty to fifty partnership than anything the NFL
offers because of that guaranteed portion of it. So when
a player like Jimmy Butler just decides he doesn't want
to play there, the ramifications are so huge in the

(50:13):
NBA that I just I will maintain here I sit
eight years later, nine years later doing radio saying the
same thing I told you so when it first started,
Like somebody's gonna have to stand up to a player
and say, I don't care where you want to play,
You're either gonna play here or you're not gonna play
basketball at all. And until somebody does that, then man,
this is just a never ending cycle. And I understand

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that it's more complicated than that for a lot of
for a lot of people, but there will have to
be somebody at some point that stands up and says hey,
Otherwise I don't know what you do as a team.
I don't know how you maintain anything as an organization.
I don't know how you build your roster. It's just
it's too unsure.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Yeah, bro, I gotta tell you I feel you.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
It hurts me, like the reason why I like, I
don't do hot takes and you know ripped, I usually
don't never do it. I can't stand the stewardship of
Adam Silver and hell, there is no humility you look
around you not ever. Like I'm not saying you have

(51:18):
to say as the leader, we have a huge problem.
But you got to also understand and be open to
doing things differently and not all right, Well, now we're
gonna let's go and get Let's take a bad product,
and I know how we'll do it. We'll shave off quarters,
minutes off the quarters, We'll play ten minutes forty minute games.

Speaker 4 (51:39):
Okay, Well, the only thing I thought with that is,
at least he's trying to give a clever solution to
down You're not gonna give it. They're not gonna give
rid of games, like I genuinely believe and for everyone,
for anyone that listens and doesn't know, Like I love hockey,
right and so I would say the same thing to hockey,
like to the NHL in general hockey, same thing saying

(52:00):
to the NBA. I think they should cut their seasons
in half. I think the NBA and the NHL should
cut their seasons and half. I think Major League Baseball
should cut their season in half.

Speaker 5 (52:09):
And purists will come in and say, what about the records.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
I don't care about the records. I just don't care
for me. I care about what's gonna make that. I
don't care about the the in general. I don't care
about the history of a product. I care about the
future of the product. So like, I sit here right
now in Raiders sweats, with the Raiders hoodie and the
Raiders helt on my desk behind me. I don't care
about the past of the Raiders. I care about the
future of the Raiders. I don't care about the past

(52:32):
of the NHL. I care about the future of the NHL.
So on and so forth. For me, I just think
that knowing that what they should do, in my mind
is get rid of half the games, which will get
rid of load management, which will make games have more consequence.
But they're never going to lose the money that comes
from that. The TV money I gave money.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
But listen to NBC already came in and it gave
mo all the money in the world. So I like,
I get it, and I understand your idea that, hey,
if I make it time in a quarters, I've now
you know, I'm reducing time load management right, And like,
I don't even understand. I don't even understand this whole

(53:14):
concept of load management. I still haven't gotten begainst the
fact that I covered the league and saw guys play
forty four minutes for eighty two games a year like
the best players, and there was they played.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
I don't even understand why. That's the thing.

Speaker 4 (53:33):
I mean, this is let me be the old man
on the block for a second, because this is society,
like just a deep societal conversation. I have friends all
the time to tell me, you know, how, how is
it possible that I'm supposed to work a forty hour
job and then also like Scharu, with my doctor's appointments
outside of it, and then do this and this.

Speaker 5 (53:51):
By the time I feed my kids, I can't have
time for anything.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
And there's this my wife and I feel that that's
what everybody talks about, like you know, but I will
my argument to that is for many people, not for everybody.
This is not a general argument. For many people, I
would say that, okay, well that's my parents managed it,
So if my parents managed it, I can manage it
their parents.

Speaker 5 (54:14):
I want, I want the world to be better.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
But like we're not talking about something that hasn't been
dealt with for years. Like so the fact that guys
played in the nineties, I think now you've got guys
coming up and saying, well, I'm smarter than I want
to work. I want to work smarter, not harder, like
you know, that's that's sort of a concept. You're like,
I want to save my body, I want to play more,
I have more information.

Speaker 5 (54:32):
I get all of that.

Speaker 4 (54:33):
But we live in sort of a society now where
you know, everybody feels like they you know, they need
more rest, and everybody feels like they need I mean,
the whole world's pushing for a four day work week,
which sounds electric. Four day work week sounds awesome. I
also know if I was a company owner, I wouldn't
be particularly excited about paying people a full time salary

(54:54):
to get a full day's less work every week. Like
it's just where society is. Like if you know, our
grandparents worked a hell of a lot harder than we do,
and we're trying to figure out how to work less,
Like that's just that's where the world is. So basketball
players are just sort of marring. I will quickly tell
everybody that you complained about how much time you have.
Look at the screen time on your phone. Just look
at the screen time on your phone and ask you like,

(55:15):
did you not have time to make dinner or did
you spend too much time doom scrolling Instagram. I'm just saying,
but that's that's for another day.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Yeah, no, no, you're right, but again I don't know,
and I still view it as basketball is a gift.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
Yeah, forty hour work week is not.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
Basketball is a gift to us. But like I don't know,
like I had the best job in the world, Like
I had the best job in the world.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
I know, everything everything becomes a job. Everything becomes a job.
I feel yeh, I understand it, I've, but you still
need to recognize that plan. I mean, eighty two games,
I don't know, dude, I'm sorry, I've at some point

(56:03):
you just gotta go. It's still basketball. I mean, yeah,
everything gets old and everything gets tired. It's human nature
and because everything becomes a job, but it's still bad basketball.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
I mean, look, I will say that like I never
missed a show. I never missed a show. There were
times that I was puking on stage, and still like
you got a responsible even though it felt like a
job to me. When I was touring, I also looked
around and thought, man, this is this is the greatest
gift in the world.

Speaker 5 (56:33):
And I have an obligation here.

Speaker 4 (56:34):
So we don't miss shows on Saturdays, right like we
we don't certainly be it'd be it'd be easy and
nice to just be like, you know what, I'm as
sleep in for some saturdays, Like we don't do that
every Here's.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
The thing, though, we get to do it tellectually. You
got you know what, do you got ten years of
that to make all the money in the world. Again,
it's and it's not apples to apples, because you know,
the dude going to work in forty hour work week
is making generational wealth. He came out, man like, you know,

(57:05):
people go on, you can't take them, you can't bring
up the money? Yeah you can.

Speaker 4 (57:10):
Why why not?

Speaker 3 (57:12):
Why is that? Why is the money not fair gain?

Speaker 5 (57:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (57:16):
I think that's a I'll never forget. Last year at
the Super Bowl, I interviewed Brock Bowers for Yahoo right,
and I talked to Brock and I asked after our interview.
I was like, so you going out? What are you
doing tonight? And he was like, nope, there's a there's
a plane waiting. And as soon as I finished the interviews,
I'm going back to work out. And I was like, man,
you're in Vegas. You're not going to celebrate for a day,
and you're getting ready for this draft stuff and all

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that and he said, Nope.

Speaker 5 (57:39):
The way I look at it, if I go back
and I go to work.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
It will help me get drafted. And once I get drafted,
I've got a time in my life to make an impact.
And if I do all of these things right, I
can come to Vegas and do it however I want
for the rest of my life when it's done. And
I thought, I think about that all the time, like
when you think about the greed that's awes like, like
that was a kid that hadn't even been drafted and
then gets after to Vegas and yeah, you know, I

(58:02):
just I remember talking to Max Crosby after he signed
his mega deal and I said, what do you what's
the first thing you did the next morning? He's like,
got to got to the facility at five am, because
that's what I do every day. And so I do
think you're right, Like there are different people that have
a different understanding of I have right now to make
all of the money that will change generations, you know,

(58:22):
and how you do that maintain a level head. Certainly,
I know plenty of people in music that have and
I know plenty of people in music that haven't.

Speaker 5 (58:28):
So you're you're right. You're you're, you're there is there
is nuanced all of that.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Yeah, you know, I I and again I'm not. I
don't want to sit here and do this whole thing,
and you know, get off at get back to football.
But there's a reason why football works. Like football just works,
you know, just it works. I get I get frustrated, like.

Speaker 4 (58:53):
We gotta take a break, but well we we got
to take a break after we take a break.

Speaker 5 (58:58):
Somebody on Twitter asked or made a point.

Speaker 4 (59:00):
About Adam soverhar, I want to ask you a question
about Adam Silver in a second.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
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Speaker 7 (59:08):
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Speaker 2 (59:20):
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Speaker 3 (59:35):
Brianna is a big Saints fan, FITZI we're.

Speaker 5 (59:38):
Gonna be in the city of her team.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Can we bring you back a Saint like that?

Speaker 3 (59:42):
That's a Probley give her tell him more so.

Speaker 4 (59:45):
That that's fair, that's fair, that's that's a heck of
a president right there.

Speaker 5 (59:48):
Congratulations, thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
I'm really excited about that. It's a really big deal,
and I'm kind of hoping he's going to say, like,
you know what, you guys need to get rid of
Derek Carr and then I'll come in like give him
an ultimatum.

Speaker 5 (59:59):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Yeah, I mean he's going to do that. I mean,
Derek Carr's not in your future. He knows that, so
they'll fix that out breaking like you'll be listen, I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
I think he could be good. I do.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
I mean he's a bright guy. I like what he
did with the Eagles offense. I mean it was a
little tricky. People think, well, you got Saquon in the
Great Old Line and A J. Brown, Devonte Smith and Jalen,
but you still have to make it work, and you
have to make it work and without you know, doing
you know, things affect One of our guys on exus

(01:00:34):
said being too cute. I don't think they're going to
be too cute, and that's kind of who they are.
They've been since week five. It's because Kellen Moore and
Syrianne so t Roan. I think, you know, they've been
who they are, and I think Kellen Moore, is the

(01:00:54):
director of the offense, is going to be good.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
And look, he was a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
He was in the room and you know he's been
a backup quarterback. Those guys make good coaches. So hopefully
break he'll do well for you.

Speaker 9 (01:01:05):
I'm really excited.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
So fingers crossed.

Speaker 4 (01:01:09):
And then the Eagles get to dip back into the
coordinator pool get again.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Oh my god, dude, it's unbelievable. You know, you know,
it's nuts. Howie Roseman has been to now three Super
Bowls in eight years.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
And you're ready.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
He's had two different head coaches, six different coordinators, three
one two, three quarterbacks.

Speaker 5 (01:01:37):
No, that's crazy, right, that is crazy, man.

Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
All Right, So let me ask you. Let me ask
you an Adam Silver question. Okay, because Rob on Twitter
said something about Adam Silver. I gotta get your thoughts
on this. He said, to defend Adam Silver, it's a
pretty good person in a bad situation. Players don't want
to play every All Star game. They all stink in sports. Uh,
he's not that bad of a commissioner. My question is,
is is it possible that this entire thing is just

(01:02:04):
It's look, Adam Silver is trying to manage something that
just simply can't be managed.

Speaker 5 (01:02:08):
Is it possible that the.

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
NBA was just sort of heaving its way towards this
and this is the inevitability for every sport other than
the NFL. So he's really mostly guilty of just, you know,
hitching himself to a chariot that was gonna go down
in flames anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Yeah, I think it's fair. It's fair to bring that up.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Part of it is the optics, and I don't I
don't like some of his moves, right. I think at
some point you've got to get ahead of some of
the issues and not double down on them, like when
the Spurs, when the Spurs go into load management mode. Right,
I also think they messed up now. I don't know,
you know again, I mean it's Silver doesn't care what

(01:02:53):
I think. But when I look at the league itself
in the schedule, I don't know why you need to
start in October, Like, I don't know why you're such
in a hurry to throw away the first three months
of your season. I get they tried to do it

(01:03:14):
before the COVID thing pushed everything, but this summer is
so dead. All you have is baseball. I still don't
know why you couldn't make that work.

Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
Yeah, I felt like that was one thing that the bubble.
The bubble created an opportunity to just completely change your calendar, right,
Like the bubble gave you the opportunity to reimagine everything.
And I do think your point is a fair one,
Like in my mind commissioners particularly, but in great business,
you've got to be incredibly proactive. So you know, you

(01:03:46):
need to have somebody on your staff that's reacting to things.
You need to be thinking five steps ahead. And one
of the things that I think really drives me crazy
sometimes in management in almost every business is it feels
like as each thing, it's like, oh, well, now we're
gonna handle this, and now we're gonna handle this, and
it's like, no, your main bosses should be handling things
that are coming three years from now.

Speaker 5 (01:04:06):
I just I want forward thinking in every possible way.

Speaker 4 (01:04:09):
So I thought there was an opportunity after the bubble
in COVID for the NBA to say, hey, let's use
this and really reimagine everything about how we do business,
Like this is our opportunity to start this back up
in a new way, and they didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:04:21):
They went back to the same old, same old. So
I think that's a fair criticism.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
I just don't know why you start the way when
you start you have. There's no hype for the beginning
of your season because you start in the teeth of
NFL and college football and Major League Baseball playoffs.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
So it's like this soft.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Opening thing, like why wouldn't you want to come in
with momentum and excitement and get people say hey, i'd
ba's back, and then all of a sudden you'd got
a chance to get them. No, everybody hates you. Thought
you hate going into the middle of the movie, Turn
on the show and watch it. Who wants to do that?

(01:05:04):
And that's the NBA does every season. All right, it's
our time nout. NFL's over come to us. Well, I, hey,
I haven't. I'm not invested in the players. Yeah, I'm
talking about the regular fan. Uh what sense does that make?

Speaker 4 (01:05:21):
You're a thousand I'd never thought of it from the
way you just said it. But the funny thing is
there are so many shows that people tell me I
should watch, and Breaking Bad's a great example. Like I
watched one episode of Breaking Bad and everybody's like, oh
my god, you gotta watch this special. Ever, trust me,
it takes a few episodes and then they gets rolling
blah blah blah blah blah. And all I have to
do is look at it and be like, oh, I'm

(01:05:42):
so far behind on all of this, like and behind
in the conversation. I'm behind on talking about it. I'm
behind on the motor cooler, the motor cooler, the water
cooler portion of it. I'm I'm just behind, and it
feels like so much work to catch up on it.
It's just not worth it to me now, especially not
to sit through some of the bad to get to
the butt and the good, you know, And that I
think is a pretty fair comparison to what happens when

(01:06:04):
you wake up and you're like, okay, now I suddenly
have to really care about the NBA, for example, And
you know, if you don't do it for a living,
if you're just sitting back casually saying all right, now,
I got to invest in who's good, who plays where,
what's going on? Like that? That's it's a really good point.
I hadn't thought of it that way, but maybe you know,
the NBA start of the season is a little like

(01:06:26):
a TV show. You know that everybody else is binging
and you're so far behind, and it's like, nah, just
miss the boat on that one.

Speaker 5 (01:06:31):
I'll catch it next time.

Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
But then the problem is next time you're again behind
on it. It's a never ending cycle.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Yeah, I I.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
I think all three of the other sports have their issues,
the other leagues, you know, I listen, NHL is what
it is. I think the NHL's biggest problem is I know,
you want to try to grow and grow and grow,
but just be happy that you're you got to You
got a good space. You don't need to be king.

(01:07:04):
You got a great lot, all right. It's a great sport.
Your players and stars play like they don't have load
management issues. They play and that's a nasty, tough sport
and it's highly entertaining, you know. But you gotta be
a hockey fan like that's just the world, right, It's

(01:07:26):
you know, you got to grow up playing the sport,
you know. I think grassroots and all the other stuff
help expose it. But it's great sport. The players are accessible.
I don't have any real issues with the way the
game is run. Other than I think you have to
temper expectations that you're not going to take over the world.

Speaker 5 (01:07:45):
Yeah, I think it's agree.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
I'm a huge Docu fan.

Speaker 5 (01:07:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
No, I think understanding exactly where you are and exactly who, like,
what's your audience is? You know, it's again I'll use
the music comparison to this, but one of the interesting
in the music businesses if you're a pop act, you
have one big hit. I remember when One Direction had
their first hit, and a few months after they had
their first hit, they were playing literally sold out arenas everywhere.

(01:08:11):
That's pop music, and in country you know exaggeration.

Speaker 5 (01:08:15):
If you want to fill arenas, you.

Speaker 4 (01:08:16):
Usually have to have twelve to fifteen number ones, the
top three songs. You have to have a whole library
of songs that people want to come to see you
in an amphitheater. And one thing about country music is
you just start to learn hey, like we're different, Like
it's a different business. Like you play fairs and festivals
and you play little bars and you do all these
things even after you've had big old hits, right, Like,

(01:08:38):
it's just a different world. And if you start chasing
the well, why is this pop act doing.

Speaker 5 (01:08:43):
This and we're not.

Speaker 4 (01:08:44):
Suddenly you get way out of your lane and things
get really bad, really fast.

Speaker 5 (01:08:48):
Like you just got to accept it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:50):
Hey, these are the metrics of success in our particular industry,
and we're having success. And it's a tough pill for
a lot of people to swallow, you know, Like so
it takes a long time to be a Morgan Wallen
even that that's out touring everywhere. So it's it's such
an interesting thing that how do you, if you're the NBA,
you know, just sort of insulate your safe myself and say, hey,

(01:09:11):
you know, screw it.

Speaker 5 (01:09:12):
We are who we are, and.

Speaker 4 (01:09:13):
The people that like us are the people that like us,
and we're not gonna yell and scream at everybody.

Speaker 5 (01:09:17):
We're just gonna do it. We do really well and
serve our main audience.

Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
But then how if you're doing that, how do you
get that audience to grow because you might be losing casuals.

Speaker 5 (01:09:25):
Like there's no easy answer to it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
No, but you got to get a handle on your
league first.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Like baseball has made great tweaks to the game, right,
But here's the problem with baseball. The Dodgers and Pirates
can't exist in the same universe, like the NFL gave
it the answers to the test. The NFL showed you
how the Rams, the Packers, the Cowboys, and the Giants

(01:09:54):
can all exist and it's a fair playing field for that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:59):
Yeah, that is it's it is interesting that the model
is out there right here for you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
And I don't know how in the world you don't
follow that model because having right and having Paul skiings
buried in the Triple A market, it is sad. That's
a great baseball town. But if you're a Pirates fan,
you were up in Pittsburgh in that area, You're like, hello,

(01:10:29):
I mean, why am I even a fan?

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
I can't win.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
The Dodgers have every best great player in Japan and
all the money in the world.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
I can't compete with that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:42):
Yeah, I think that's that's really interesting that you're essentially
every team that isn't one of four or five in
baseball is at some level of a farm system, right
it's all and but their farm system is making great
money and they've got great fans. But you know, the
chance of being you're in and you're out relevant to be
one of the smarter things that the NFL did also

(01:11:04):
even with the franchise tag, was they found a way
to protect certain players. They found a way to make
sure that guys can be held but also get paid
at the highest possible level. Like is it's taken a
lot of compromise from owners and players to get to
where they are. I feel like the honest answer for
so much of it is greed. Like even if the
NBA sat there right now, if every owner in the

(01:11:26):
NBA and every player in the NBA sat down and said,
you know what, we really need to reduce games, the
first thing that would be asked is, okay, well, is
everybody in this process willing to take a pay cut?

Speaker 5 (01:11:36):
And the answer to that is no. I'll go back
to earlier talking.

Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
About the world wanting everybody in America wants a four
day work week. All right, Well, what if you went
to your company and said, sure, you want a four
day work week, we will totally do that. We're going
to cut if you're gonna work twenty percent less, We're
just gonna cut your pay by twenty percent. And if
you want to work four days, I totally support that.
The problem is most people will turn around be like, well, no,
I don't want to make less money.

Speaker 5 (01:11:58):
I just want to work less.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
In the NBA, nobody wants to make less money. The
owners don't want to make less money, the players don't
want to make less money, the ad sponsors don't want
to make less.

Speaker 5 (01:12:08):
Off of everything.

Speaker 4 (01:12:09):
Like, everybody wants to make the same money for less work,
and the matches don't matt that way. So the hard
part is you would It would take an entire league,
all of the players, all of the owners, all of
the front office people, all deciding that they wanted to
be selfless for the future of the game to make
that one right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
And it's ridiculous because if you compare it to ten
years ago, right, you realize how much more money you
were making. So if you just take a portion of
that of the profits, no one's saying that you got
to get lean and mean, right, just take a portion
of the fat and just trims some of that fat

(01:12:49):
and your gut. You're still living. It's not gonna change it, right,
You're still living in the one percent world.

Speaker 5 (01:12:58):
What more do you want?

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
I mean, you know, yeah, you help the game a
little bit on the way. Now, there's only one like
I do think that the NBA is going to stumble
into something good. And it's it's college nil and kids
staying in college, and the fact that kids will stay
in college, get paid play, They're going to grow, they'll

(01:13:23):
have name recognition, they'll be better basketball players, and that
in turn will make the league better. Agree And the NBA. No, No,
it's not the NBA doing that's stumble piece. They got lucky.
Where the Fellas hagg it out Fox Sports Radio fellas

(01:13:44):
Jason Fitzan Anthony Gargano as we come alive from the
tai Raq dot Com studios. Man, FITZI I can't I
can't wait. I just can't wait for this game. I
vacinates Funny because as much as I feel confid sometimes
I go back. We had this debate to start to
show about how I gave you where the Eagles are

(01:14:07):
and how I think it's an impenetrable force their offensive
line and really on both fronts. But you are right
about Andy Spags and Mahomes. Man. You know, as much
as I can argue against you know this is what
hasened in the law football, the laws of the X
and o's. You still go back to those guys who

(01:14:30):
do nothing but win. Is there such a thing, right,
And we've seen this in sports is just winners.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
Like I've been doing this a long time, right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
I covered Jordan in Chicago, I covered the Yankees in
New York. I've seen greatness and man Mahomes has it.
It's it's so rare. But those guys that just don't
lose it, it's pretty amazing.

Speaker 5 (01:15:01):
I keep going back to.

Speaker 4 (01:15:04):
The concept in my mind of the absence of pressure,
and when you've been to as many Super Bowls, when
you've been in as many wild moments, like we always
talk about who's gonna fold in the pressure? And I
just I I remember the first time I was on
radio at ESPN one time, and I just started at

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ESPN at the time, and we were about to have
a guest and the whole system failed, and I remember
being caught off guard and I stood there like just
a deer in the hair headlights, live on radio. I
didn't know what to do, you know, And it was
a reminder to me that I had seen the craziest things,
Like we played a show with the Van Perry when

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I was touring one time where it got so hot
in Arizona that the entire sound system failed in the
middle of the concert, and I immediately on stage was
able to be like, Okay, just what we're gonna do.
We're all gonna grab our acoustic instruments, We're gonna walk
through the crowd, We're gonna go over here.

Speaker 5 (01:15:58):
It was like a big It was like a big fair.
So we did this whole thing.

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
We bought ourselves to ten minutes that they needed to
figure it out.

Speaker 5 (01:16:05):
We got back on stage, we kept rolling, and.

Speaker 4 (01:16:07):
I realized in the moment that you know, a little
thing went wrong on radio, and I was lost. What
hit me is, Man, I need more experience in this business.
I don't know how to handle variables right. And so
flash forward to before I left ESPN and I was
hosting OTL one Time Outside the Lines and everything failed
on live TV, and I knew exactly what to do
because I'd been there. Not only say that, because like everybody,

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your first day at work, you're tight because you don't
know what to do, like there is something to we
just win when you've been in these situations so many times,
Because your heart rate doesn't raise like you've been here,
you don't feel any sort of weirdness. You're like, yeah,
this is this is part of the course. We all
know how this goes. It's fine, and I do think
that people, naturally, human beings naturally get tight. But when

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you have lived the close game experience in Kansas City
has lived, and when you live the super Bowls that
they've lived, I just think there's a total absence of
pressure and that man, that level of call is different.
That's why I think it's part of their identity.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Now here's the advantage for the Eagles. They've been there before, right,
Like they faced Kansas City. They lost to Kansas City,
but they've been to the super Bowl, this group two
years ago. It's a rematch and Rocky two wins. Rocky
wins the rematch in Rocky.

Speaker 5 (01:17:21):
Two, right, Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
Is fair. So the having been there and they're a
much better team. So they're a much better team. They're
equipped now to be there. They Jalen knows about it,
hurts understands what it's like, how long halftime is, all
those nuances about the Super Bowl that make it both

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incredible and a hassle for the players.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
So we'll dive into it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
We've got lots to get to where the fellas right
here in Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
Don't listen no Fox Sports.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
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go there's no football and this is the long trudge
until Super Bowl Sunday. And uh, I want to go
back to the championship game for a second. And if

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you're Buffalo, because my heart goes out to the Bills.
I I mean, my god, how much torment can one
city take? Can a great fan base like the Bills?
I just feel for him. That was just an awful, tough,
tough loss because FITZI you know, they're a great team man,

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And when they had when they needed it right, and
they're driving down the field and they get a Cooks
starting to go and they're running the ball, well they
take the lead. You just went, all right, Well, this
is this could be it that you never kept the
Chiefs out because of who they are, but you go,

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this could be it. And the fact that they couldn't
close the deal right after you fall behind early the
whole thing. You just wonder, can this Can these Bills
ever beat Kansas City?

Speaker 4 (01:19:54):
Well, the hard part about that is I found myself
saying the same thing last year when they lost at home. Man,
he didn't beat him at home, And this Kansas City
offense looked pretty broken last year. It's like, oh man,
now they're ever gonna do it? And then this year
they get right back into the same situation, and it's
just it is why I think it's a fair point

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when we talk about you know, Josh Allen and legacy,
when we keep you keep hearing the NBA Tians. I
like that a lot to Patrick viewing Charles Barkley, like
what do you do when you are taking on you know, Mahomes?
And I think it speaks to why there's a fine
line for all of this, because the Bills are clearly.

Speaker 5 (01:20:34):
A great football team. They are, and they clearly can't
seem to climb this mountain against Kansas City.

Speaker 4 (01:20:42):
So the hard part about it is this becomes what
we do all the time, Like it becomes this team sucks.
You know, you can't, you can't, you can't do anything.
The Bills annually are reported is dead and annually become
one of the best teams in the AFC, and then
annually they lose to Mahomes And I don't know what
to do with that with kNN Like, I think that

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you can be one of the best teams in the
league year in and year out and should be respected
as such, even if you can't beat the Chiefs, and
that's just sort.

Speaker 5 (01:21:10):
Of where they are.

Speaker 4 (01:21:11):
Like imagine if Twitter and twenty four hour sports talk
and everything existed when the Bills lost four straight Super Bowls, Oh,
they would have just been annihilated at levels that would
have been uncomfortable year in and year out. And the
hard part is in trying not to do that, Like
I think you have to have some context that like
being one of the four or five best teams in

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the NFL for a five.

Speaker 5 (01:21:33):
Year period is just not easy to do.

Speaker 4 (01:21:36):
And yeah, you want to get the Super Bowl out
of it, because that's what we all that, that's what
everybody's chasing.

Speaker 5 (01:21:41):
But I just think that we have to start to.

Speaker 4 (01:21:44):
Apply more context to conversations about individual legacy and team greatness,
understanding that it's two things can be true. The Bills
lose to the Chiefs, and also the Bills are really
stinking good football franchise.

Speaker 5 (01:21:58):
Like I just that.

Speaker 4 (01:21:59):
Doesn't bills someone to hear that, because all anybody wants
is a super Bowl. But man, I just I can't
give up on this Bill's team. They're far better than that.
They deserve better than that. I just wouldn't pick them
to build them to beat the Chiefs. They're gonna have
to either get lucky at some point or they're gonna
have to hope that somebody else figures out how to
beat the Chiefs form and then take advantage of that window.

Speaker 5 (01:22:20):
I think there's this part of me for Buffalo.

Speaker 4 (01:22:23):
My heart breaks for Bills fans, My heart breaks for
sports fans in general, for the way that we cover everything,
because it's become if you don't have a Super Bowl,
you suck. And when I say things like this so often,
I get hit on social media with well, that's a loser's.

Speaker 5 (01:22:36):
Mentality, and it isn't.

Speaker 4 (01:22:38):
There has to be a fine line here, and there
has to be an understanding that you know, why is it?
For example, we watch the Olympics every year. You win
a silver medal at the Olympics, you didn't suck. You
win a bronze medal at the Olympics, you didn't suck
like you still want a silver or bronze. And even
for team sports, you still want a silver or bronze.
I'm not sitting here saying that you shoot for second place,

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third place, but at some point you do have to
acknowledge that, hey, we are one of the best. And
is there one thing that the Bills could do to
get over the hump to beat the Chiefs. I don't
think so, because I don't think that there's been one
glaring problem. Do I think that they could use some
help on the defensive side of the ball in a
few places? Yeah, And I still believe, even though Bills
fans have crushed before it, that they could use a

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go to number one guy that they can actually get
the ball to in every situation.

Speaker 5 (01:23:26):
I think their.

Speaker 4 (01:23:26):
Offense could have used some help instead of just relying
on constantly Josh Allen and hoping that you can get
that yard that way. I think there are things that
I hope Buffalo addresses. But even if they address everything,
if Buffalo has the best off season we've ever seen,
do we still believe they're going to beat the Chiefs.
That's the hardest part about this is that we want
everything to be as simple as go add some things.

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But sometimes it's not that you're cursed. Sometimes it's just
not there for you. And right now it feels like
in this era, Buffalo's got to have to figure out
how to appreciate the greatness that they have while still
hoping that they can have even more. Because what I
don't want I don't want Bills fans to make the
same mistake that I made as a Raiders fan twenty
years ago when the Raiders lost the Super Bowl. I

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remember so distinctly saying to my friends, I would I'd
rather not even make the playoffs. I'd rather not even
make the playoffs to get my heart broken year in
and year out in the playoffs with these wild losses
that you just can't explain. It's so heartbreaking. And then
I went through a dozen seasons of double digit losses consecutively,
and you realize at that point that the most helpless

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feeling in sports isn't running into a team that you
can't figure out how to get around. The most helpless
feeling in sports is being so terrible that you don't
have a chance, more often than not to even be relevant.
So for Buffalo, the hard part about all of this is,
remember the Bulls lost a couple of years to the
Pistons before they were able to break through. The Pistons

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had to break through the Celtics like we're so used
to seeing teams have to break through. The problem is
with the society we live in now, with the year
and year out, with the twenty four to twenty four
hour news cycle, with everything that sort of motivates our conversation,
with everybody wanting to yell hot takes everywhere, it has
to become take a side. I think the real side

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on Buffalo for being honest for a minute. The real
side is that the Bills are really good and that
feels like a horrible place to be, but it's not
because you know, my friends and coworkers that I've worked
with in the past that actually played in the league
always said the same thing. If you get in the
dance kind of chance, what you pay for in sports

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with your roster, with your lineup, and what you should
hope for for a fan base is proximity. Proximity to
a championship is what this is all about, right, So
how do you get proximity to greatness?

Speaker 5 (01:25:51):
Because if you are at least in.

Speaker 4 (01:25:53):
This final eight, if you make the playoffs, you have
a chance of doing something great. You never know if
you're going to be the team they can do the unexpects.
And if you can get to the final four, you
are right on the doorstep and you have proximity to greatness.
And one or two plays can be the difference. They
have been the difference you're in and you're out. One
or two plays have been the difference between seeing the
Chiefs in the Super Bowl seeing the Bills in the

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Super Bowl. So do you blow everything up and try
and rebuild it for two plays? For three plays?

Speaker 5 (01:26:22):
Don't? I don't take that risk.

Speaker 4 (01:26:24):
I see Bills fans that are frustrated saying fire everybody.
But man, if you turn around and fire everybody, you're
rebuilding from the ground up with no assurance that that's
going to get you to those two or three plays. Anthony,
I just think we need a word, We need a
way to appreciate Hey, we're one of the best, and
the Bills are one of the best. Super Bowl or not,
they're one of the best teams of this era. And

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I just I don't have a message of hope for fans.
But I also don't think that turning around and being despondent,
like you're not the worst team in the league. You
can't just turn around and throw your hands up and
blow everything up just because you have had four or
five plays go the wrong way in the last three
seasons postseasons combined.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
Good dude, you talk about it, right, a handful of plays.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
The problem is the pass too.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
It's the history because it's the same as the last
run of the nineties, right, it's so close when you're
the Kings of close, it's torturous and that's the problem.
But you're right. I mean during Great Franchise, I heard
somebody brought up moving on from Sean McDermott. In fact,

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by buddy Mike Garratfalla from the NFL Network was talking
to someone. Somebody brought it up that if they don't
win next year, is Sean on the hot seat? I'm like, what,
how could you possibly think about moving off of McDermott.

Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
That's where and Bill's fans are so fired up about
some of the mistakes and some of the in game
management things, and they'll hit us social media with a
bevy of things, a list of things. And man, hiring
a coach, there's a lot like drafting a quarterback.

Speaker 5 (01:28:07):
It's a crapshoot.

Speaker 4 (01:28:08):
It's a total none of us have any idea from
this hiring cycle, like will Ben Johnson be a good
head coach?

Speaker 5 (01:28:15):
None of us know. None of us know.

Speaker 4 (01:28:17):
And so as excited, you know, as the fan of
a team that has had now fifteen coaches in the
last thirty one years, the real number for the Raiders,
fifteen head coaches in thirty one years, I just would
remind everybody that for every McDermott that you think is
just easily replaceable, I can give you a laundry list
of names that won't work. There a laundry list. So

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you know, the problem is you're beating your head against Walt.
You want something to change because you want a different outcome.
But you know, is mass change going to make two plays?
And that's like, is mass change going to change to
thirteen seconds at the end of the last game, and
you know people will point to one or two mistakes
in different games. You can do that with everything. You
can do that with Josh Allen point to a couple

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of missthrows here or there. Does that suddenly mean that
you need to go out and draft a different quarterback
than Josh Allen? No, like, there's just you just got
to have some And this is impossible because fans short
for fanatic. You got to stop the clock for a second,
like you gotta stop the emotion for a second and
just say, Okay, are we good enough to win a
super Bowl? And the answer for the Bills is yeah,

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they're good enough to win a super Bowl. Okay, then
let's just keep trying to win a super Bowl. And again,
not the answer everybody wants, but I think it's the
most honest answer. The most honest answer is that the
Bills are gonna have to get a lucky break to
get through Kansas City. And I don't care who their
coach is, I don't care what changes on their roster.
Ad they could add five new players that are all
all stars this offseason and we are still going to

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look at it next year. If they're playing Kansas City
in the playoffs and say, I don't know, you beat
the Chiefs and you know somehow, some way, if I
had to bet my house on it, I bet the
Chiefs still figure out a way to win that game.

Speaker 5 (01:29:55):
Because that's just the way it seems to go right now.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
Yeah, yeah, you know. I feel here's the thing, like
you could always point to things you disagree, do you
think because I don't now, I I'll defire the local
people that live and die with every play. Like I mean,
we watch the Bills every week. I don't see egregious

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mistakes from McDermott. I mean there's always a hey, should
I have gone forward or whatever? But I don't see
a lot of game management, do you.

Speaker 4 (01:30:31):
No, But people are freaking out about you know, James
Cooch should have gotten the ball more. He's just stepped
in on that like a couple of years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
I mean, that's your off. I mean, that's Brady. He's
got to be able to do that. Like head coaches,
you have your game plan and you have your play caller,
and head coaches during the game will say, hey, man,
you know, like don't forget about cook or whatever. But
you're not You're not going to disrupt the flow. It
doesn't work like that.

Speaker 5 (01:30:56):
Yeah, I totally agree.

Speaker 4 (01:30:59):
It's it's tough because no, I don't see some grotesque
mismanagement by McDermott, and you don't see the locker room dividing.

Speaker 5 (01:31:07):
You don't see everybody hitting each other.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
But I feel well coached too, like a team that's
prepared every week to play.

Speaker 4 (01:31:14):
Yeah, you do have to wonder, like what at what
point it's just a mental seed that's been planted that
there's just not an easy way to get around, and
don't I don't know the answer to that, Like, at
what point is it? Is it just stuck in the
heads of the players, And I don't know how you
get past it if that's where you are. And that's
just one of those this happens in every era, like

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and this is where again I would I would beg
for context, like before I was alive. But growing up
as a is a Raiders fan, you always hear about
those seventies Raiders teams and how good they were.

Speaker 5 (01:31:47):
Well, part of the.

Speaker 4 (01:31:47):
Reason those seventies Raiders teams didn't accomplish what some wanted
them to accomplish were wild, weird endings against.

Speaker 5 (01:31:54):
The Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 4 (01:31:55):
Right, But we still go back and look back at
that Raiders team and say, oh my god, they were fit, fantastic.
Why are we incapable of doing that now? Why can
we not? Now look at the Bills and say, yeah, man,
they keep losing in the weirdest ways to the Chiefs,
but god, they're fantastic, Like year in and year out,
they are a great They're they're a very good team
on a great franchise like that. That's that's the real answer.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know what else to I mean,
it's how we keep score. We got to this title
or Boston, we don't. We don't appreciate teams that don't win.
It's a shame.

Speaker 4 (01:32:35):
It's Ricky Bobby, Like if he ain't first, your last, No, no,
Ricky Bobby, you can finish second, you can finish third.
As I said earlier, I have never seen us other
than the basketball team, which you know, I could go
back and question some of that too. We come home
with a bronze medal in you know, in the Olympics,
are we booing them? Are we saying God, that team sucked?

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Like no, Like if we if we at the Winter Olympics,
come home with the silver medal in hockey, We're not
like sitting there when they land saying, yeah, well I
should have won the gold, Like I don't know what
you're celebrating there, Like there is nuance to this, Like
you happen to be in the same conference, so you're
not losing super Bowls. But you could certainly make the
argument that the Bills have been the second or third

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best team in the NFL for the majority of the
last four years. Like that's a pretty easy argument to make. So, yeah,
you're right there, you're one of the best teams of
the era. Appreciate it instead of hating it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
Yeah, And here's the and here's the truth of the
matter is they're going to be back next year. Like
they're not going anywhere. You still have a they have
a great old line, they have a great quarterback. You know,
I mean here, they're not going they're not going anywhere.

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They're going to be back next year. They're in the
bets next year again.

Speaker 5 (01:33:55):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:56):
It is a torturous existence though for the fan base.

Speaker 2 (01:33:59):
Like you just know, I know, it sucks.

Speaker 4 (01:34:00):
It sucks.

Speaker 3 (01:34:01):
God in Philadelphia.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
Remember the Eagles don't win their first Super Bowl until
twenty eighteen. That it's twenty seventeen season and it's February
of twenty eighteen. That's when they win their first super Bowl.
And in all those great years that Andy Reid had
in Philadelphia, they only went to one super Bowl and lost.

Speaker 5 (01:34:27):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:34:28):
So Andy Reid's the perfect the perfect case study for
all of us.

Speaker 5 (01:34:32):
Is Andy Reid?

Speaker 4 (01:34:33):
Like, you know, yes, maybe the Eagles are better and
Andy Reid's better for better off for all of it.
But maybe that turned out to be really smart by them.

Speaker 5 (01:34:42):
Okay. I also will go back to I think we.

Speaker 4 (01:34:46):
Were having the wrong conversations a lot about Andy Reid
at the time, like the whole he can't win the
big one, blah blah blah, Like those were the conversations
we were having about Andy Reid. What do you know,
It turns out Andy Reid does not have a hard
time winning the big One. It turns out that.

Speaker 5 (01:34:59):
Andy read really good at winning the big games.

Speaker 4 (01:35:02):
And so I guess that's that's my argument on all
of this is like at some point and it's just
it's just not as simple as that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
You know, dude, You're you're spot on, And I argue
all the time with people because they go, well, he
went to Kansas City and learned how to win.

Speaker 3 (01:35:17):
He's the same coach.

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
Yeah you tell me you got Mahomes, all right, Like
that matters. Obviously in Philadelphia he had Donovan McNabb, a
very good quarterback, but not a great quarterback. A prime
example is that it's that zero five super Bowl against
the Patriots and it's the first EF. It's a game,

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and in fact, they finished tied at halftime, and there's
a play that Andy dials up. It's a wheel route
to Westbrook and McNabb just missed the throw. He's got
it, it's a touchdown and he missed the throw. Like that's
what happened. Afterwards, mcdabb comes off the field and he
asked them what happened. He goes the wind tucket and
he's like, the wind Tucket, Wow, I guess it was
a little breezy down there. That was the difference in

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the in the football game was the second half. They
figured out how to beat Jim Johnson's blitz by dumping
it off to the backs and Brady's Brady right, and
they were able to win the game. And after I
sat with Andy, this was like right before the combine
or right after the combine, and we were sitting there

(01:36:27):
talking about things, and he said, I said, well, ultimately,
what was the difference between you and New England? Like
what did you learn? He said, I mean, truthfully, they
did differences. They had twelve and we had five, and
twelve played better than five. And that's that's really it.
Like he's the same coach. He drew up the same
place that worked. Like if McNabb hits Westbrook on the

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wheel route for a touchdown and the Eagles going to
win that game, how much difference? How will you view
things that?

Speaker 4 (01:37:00):
I mean, think about Jimmy Garoppolo. How much different is
Jimmy Garoppolo's entire legacy if the forty nine ers hold
on to the lead at the end of that game, right, Like,
that's where it's just it is all. It's also I
understand that we are a championship star of society. There
has to be a better way to count. There just

(01:37:22):
has to be a better way to count, because this
error is going to require it. I refuse to believe
that Trent Dilford is a better quarterback than Dan Marino.
So miss me with the quarterback super Bowl conversations, and
I refuse to believe that Lamar and Josh Allen aren't
going to end up being Hall of Fame caliber quarterbacks.

Speaker 5 (01:37:40):
Joe Burrow could too.

Speaker 4 (01:37:41):
And I genuinely like, as much as nobody wants to
hear this, it wouldn't stun me at all. Like, if
Kansas City wins next Sunday, let's just accept the fact
that there's nothing out of the realm of possible for
this team. They could win the next four or five
in a row for all we know, And if that happens,
I know it takes a lot to do that. If
that happens, even if they don't win one year, you're

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gonna have Lamar, Josh Allen, and Joe Burrow all at
once trying to win that one Super Bowl. Like there
are going to be Hall of Fame quarterbacks that don't
get a Super Bowl. So we've got to find ways
other than championships to truly judge success of an organization.
It's just it has to be more nuanced than that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
All right, Well, thraw out an idea on the other side,
because I think you're right. We're the fellas Jason fitz
Anthony gargantem right here, Fox Sports Radio.

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percent off and free shipping. So, yeah, you brought up
how we keep score, FITZI I how else is there? Yeah,
you come up with an idea.

Speaker 5 (01:39:25):
Well here's the thing I think. Okay, so stick with
me for a second.

Speaker 4 (01:39:32):
Okay, Because we live in a in a world where
there is more than ever there's more ability for context
than we've ever had. All Right, so you can go
to YouTube and you can watch, right, we can watch
more things than we've ever been able to see. There's clips,
there's everything uploaded. Like you know, I found myself recently
on UNLV watching UNLV win a national championship one on

(01:39:54):
three seventy three Overduke on YouTube. Why because it brought
me joy going back to.

Speaker 5 (01:39:58):
My childhood right so you can watch it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:00):
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:40:01):
I think part of what college basketball my god, Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:40:06):
Part of what we have to start to understand is
that we're going to need to as a society watch
talk and think about things differently. So again, as I
sit here in my office, humble Brag full of golden
platinum records on the wall, I just love saying that
I will remind the world that Sweet Home Alabama peaked
at number thirteen. It was number thirteen on the charts.

(01:40:27):
Aerosmith never had a number one song until Don't Want
to Miss a Thing from the Armageddon soundtrack. All of
those other Aerosmith songs we've ever listened to did not
go to number one. Are those viewed as failures? No,
Like they're timeless, and they're timeless because they continue to
be played and then continue to be talked about. Can
people continue to sing them? And I know the music

(01:40:49):
is different.

Speaker 5 (01:40:50):
It's sports blah blah blahs where everybody hits.

Speaker 4 (01:40:52):
Me with it, But like there is this moment to
me where it becomes the responsibility of the storytellers of
the era to continually remind people of the greatness of
things that may not be remembered the right way. Like
all we can do is the society is say, hey,
go watch it, Like if you want, if you truly

(01:41:13):
want to know what it was like to watch Walter
Payton run the football, you can do it now, Like
that's something that they didn't have twenty years ago. Like
twenty years ago you just had to take somebody's word
on what Jim Brown looked like, right, Like there wasn't
footage of everything, and it wasn't uploaded everywhere there is footage.

Speaker 5 (01:41:30):
Of everything from this era.

Speaker 4 (01:41:32):
So to me, this becomes about recalibrating our conversation and
understanding that you know, like it's the Supreme Court when
they were asked, you know what's poorn? You know when
you see it? What success? You know it when you
see it, Like you cannot tell me that the Buffalo
this era of Buffalo Bill's football has been a failure.
And then in the same context, tried, like imagine if

(01:41:54):
aliens came to Earth and in twenty years we're sitting
here trying to explain success and failure in the l
You want to tell me that we're going to show
those aliens what I've watched from the Raiders in the
last three years versus what Bills fans has watched from Buffalo,
and tell them those are the same things. Those are
both the same failures. They're not like one is a
very good football team, one is a trash football team. Right,

(01:42:15):
That's just the way it goes here. So I think
that what we have to do is we just have
to change the conversation, Like we have to stop implying
that the only thing that is success is a.

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
Chance of some title thing, gotta get a chip, or
it's or it's worthless.

Speaker 10 (01:42:32):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
I and I loved your concept of it's on the storytellers.
It's on the scribes that you know, outline history to
remind people of the greatness. I mean, there's more than one.
I hate to do this because it sounds out haughtier

(01:42:54):
or whatever, but I truly love sports. I love the
chess match and I love the art of movement. Right,
So is it it's art? We watch it, we admire it.
We watch greatness and admire greatness, and you know, we
put art in a museum and we go there and

(01:43:15):
admire it. So watching the Bills play is a great
art form.

Speaker 5 (01:43:22):
I like that analogy a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:43:23):
Man, that's like, don't we don't we all know enough now?
And I don't care if you just like I don't
care if you've never sat down. I'm very lucky in
my life to have been able to sit down and
watch film like you have with with people that are
incredibly smart and try to learn along the way. Even
if you've never done that, If all you've ever done

(01:43:44):
is play Madden in your life, you have a better
basic understanding of football than anybody was allowed to had
the opportunity to have in the eighties.

Speaker 2 (01:43:52):
Oh yeah, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:43:53):
So, Like we're smarter than ever with these things. So
if we're smarter than ever with these things, why can
we not use that intelligence to apply nuance to a conversation,
Like there's a there's a place and an important place
in sports talk for debate shows where they yell at
each other. I think that's that's fun, it's engaging, it's entertaining,
But my god, there has to be some level of.

Speaker 5 (01:44:16):
Nuance to this and and.

Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
Well, appreciate what you're talking about is appreciation you're talking about, right, like,
we all the reason why we do this and people
listen is that we have this, you know, shared love
of sports.

Speaker 3 (01:44:32):
And so if we have a love of.

Speaker 2 (01:44:34):
It, there's an appreciation for the participants and that can't
that has to be at the forefront along with debate
shows and you know, this guy is stupid and that
guy's great, and this guy stinks and this guy is
a genius and he's a goat. There also has to

(01:44:55):
be room for and I'm with you one hundred percent
where we just go into the louver and admire the
Mona Lisa in her new poem, right like like we
go in and admire all the paintings, right, admire all
of it like they're it's okay to do that. I

(01:45:15):
in fact, I love it. I so much about football.
It's so is great today. I think our era you're
and you're spot on about the ability to know and learn.
It's it's so different than it was when we were
growing up.

Speaker 3 (01:45:31):
I mean, I look at you.

Speaker 4 (01:45:33):
You you're blowing my mind with this art and ology.
Let me hop in here real quick because the very
specific story with the art thing that that I'll never forget.
We were on tour in Italy and I went to
one of the big the museum that has the statue
with David. Forgive me for not remembering which one of
that is. So we went to the so we were.
We went in and we had a guide through the museum, right,
and I remember walking up to one painting and I thought, man,

(01:45:54):
I said out loud to our our tour guide. I
was like this, Sorry, I don't get art, but this sucks.
Why is this up on the wall? I don't know
anything about art? And the tour guy said that painting
is on the wall because it's the first ever painting
in history that used depth. Everything up until this point
in that era had been flat. This was the first

(01:46:15):
one that allowed for depth perception to be something that
was painted. So it's a historic piece of work. And
I looked at I stood there, man, for like fifteen minutes.
It just looked at it in all And as I
walked through that whole museum, I asked questions about every
one of those paintings because I don't get art, but
I wanted to. I want to have an understanding for
it was one of the most surreal days of my life.

(01:46:35):
I learned more that day in that museum than I
think I did in history class in four years of
high school and it was on spining. But here was
this piece of art that I thought, well, this is junk.
Wi is it on the wall? Then you get the
story of why it's on the wall, and you have
context on it, and now all of a sudden it resonates.
You understand it, you understand why it's important, you understand
why it hits, you understand why it's there.

Speaker 5 (01:46:56):
That's sort of what has to.

Speaker 4 (01:46:57):
Happen, you know, like this this era of football, Like
if all you do is pull up Wiki and look
at who won and lost Super Bowls, you are losing
the entire concept of explaining to somebody, well, this was
the first one that had depth. And that's that's what
we've got to start to do. We've got to bring
that depth into these conversations about bab like it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:17):
I love it, I love it, I love it. I
absolutely love this.

Speaker 2 (01:47:21):
I do because we should be able to appreciate. We
don't do it enough. We got a bad A lot
of times we have a bad attitude. We don't appreciate
some of the greatness and appreciate what we love. If
we love something, why's the first word out of our

(01:47:42):
mouth to denigrate it?

Speaker 5 (01:47:45):
And that is there is an interesting phenomenon.

Speaker 4 (01:47:48):
I would I would beg we're having a deep conversation
y'all this morning, but I would beg you, beg you
to watch with this mindset when you watch any of
the major networks over the course of the next you know, year,
watch what happens the day after a game and ask
yourself this, are they leading with who lost?

Speaker 5 (01:48:07):
Or leading with who won?

Speaker 4 (01:48:09):
Because nine times out of ten, when it's a big
game between two teams, the conversation the day after last
week's game was not about, man, I cannot believe how
the Chiefs got this done. The conversation was Bills fail again.
And that's that's we approach everything in sports now with
oh man, let's rip the loser. Let's rip the loser,

(01:48:32):
and we spend very like. Look, the super Bowl is
a week from tomorrow, and you can bet your ass
if Kansas City wins that thing on a last second
field goal. The first talking point the next day is
gonna be to so many people is going to be, well,
where did the Eagles go wrong? And the Eagles failed
and blah, blah blah blah blah, Like we focus on

(01:48:52):
the negative of the loser instead of the positive of
the winner so often, and I.

Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
Don't I don't get it because of you know, let's
go back to she's fatigue that everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:49:05):
That's a societal problem. I think that happens all the
way across the board. Like if if there's a anytime
there's a big moment, we want to fault the person
that didn't take advantage of the big moment instead of
crediting the person that does. In professional sports and college
sports like not not as much in the Olympics, like

(01:49:25):
things like that. Individual sports we're not as hard on them.
But man, how often because like it it feels like
negativity moves the needle. And you know, this is something
I've I've talked about before. But let you know, to
be honest, I know the people or knew the people
that get up that every morning, they get their dailies,
they get their numbers, They know exactly when people tune out,

(01:49:45):
so they this is not by accident, like people tune
in longer for negative content. It's just if we come
into a show and we and we asked ourselves every
single day like, hey, we're not going to say a
single negative. We're not going to trash your everything. Today
is going to be a build up for the next
four hours. We're only gonna focus on the positives of
the winners and not even mention the losers in the

(01:50:08):
process because.

Speaker 5 (01:50:08):
The loser's done.

Speaker 4 (01:50:09):
We don't need to talk about the losers. Let's talk
about how great the winners are. I think we would
struggle a to keep people engaged, and b we run
out of things to talk about.

Speaker 5 (01:50:19):
Like society doesn't work it that way anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:50:21):
How often when when everybody gets together for a dinner party,
Let's be real, how often are people sitting together at
a game night and saying, man, I am so happy
for Susie she got a promotion. But man if Susie's
going through a divorce, everybody's gonna talk about that.

Speaker 5 (01:50:35):
All day long.

Speaker 4 (01:50:36):
Like that's we live in this drama, Like we want
to sit here and talk about Ryan Reynolds and Blake
Lively all day because it's drama, and that's just people
want drama, and drama comes from negativity, and like it's
a weird part of this era of society that we
don't want to sit down and build each other up.
We don't. We don't want to high five and say
good game, man, that was a hell of a win

(01:50:57):
by you guys. We want to turn around instead. Even
when we win, even the teams that win, will turn
around and immediately when when Chiefs fans win, they're not
gonna celebrate with each other if they win on social media,
they're immediately gonna go to social media and they're gonna
go at every person that they felt like doubted them,
and they're gonna say, look at you, you bum You
didn't think we'd be here. Like people crave negativity.

Speaker 5 (01:51:19):
It's wild.

Speaker 2 (01:51:19):
Yeah, that's messed up, back, It's really when it's real,
when you lay it out like that, it's completely messed up.
That's that sucks. It's true, but it shouldn't be. Let's
take quick t O will come right back. Fellas, hang
it right here at Fox Sports Radio. Fellas from the

(01:51:43):
Tyraq dot com studios, Jason Fitz, Anthony Gargano, my man
Nick on the text board says it's hard to tell
Buffalo fans, you guys are great. An AFC chance loses
verse and all the losses against Kansas City is a

(01:52:04):
great achievement. I understand the nuance, but as a fan,
it's tough, so it's hard to say. And we're not
celebrating the loss, but we're just yeah, I.

Speaker 5 (01:52:21):
Feel that I gotta.

Speaker 4 (01:52:22):
I understand that, I truly do. Man, I get it,
and I get nobody wants to hear, Hey, you're still
really good when you're not winning Super Bowls because like,
my god, I've got I have one VHS tape in
my entire life that I have in my house and
it's it's UNLV Duke one O three seventy three. I've
got enough stuff in my like man cave basement from

(01:52:46):
the Vegas Golden Knights winning a Stanley Cup championship to
be embarrassed by it. Like, I get why we all
want like and I can't even imagine if the Raiders
won a Super Bowl. I can't I would I would
have to take time off work. I don't think I
could function for a couple of days. I don't know
how I would process that much emotion. I've waited so
long for it, So like get I get all of
these things, but man, like, if you can't find joy

(01:53:08):
in the process, like you can hate the ending, but damn.
Like when you win games week in and week out,
when you're constantly this good, Like if you can't find
joy in the process, I hate that for you because
it's not always.

Speaker 5 (01:53:23):
Going to be this good.

Speaker 4 (01:53:24):
It's just not and this is it, this is it.
Don't you think if you went back and asked Bills
fans that watched four straight Super Bowl losses. As much
as that's heartbreaking, don't you think that in that moment
you have to now you have to look back and say, yeah,
but that team, man, that team was special and that
team was incredible, and I was proud to watch that team,

(01:53:45):
Like we have that historical I don't know guideline twenty
years later, but what's the point, Like why wait twenty years?
Like two things can be true. It sucks that you're
not playing in the super Bowl, but also this is
a really good football team and they've given you a
lot of joy this year. Like I think both of
those things can be true at once.

Speaker 2 (01:54:05):
Yeah, I think it's a matter of timing. I think
we're better off. And you know, March telling people that's
what Bills are, right, Like nobody wants to hear it
when it's at fresh I mean I think that's Nicky's point,
which I get, like, you know, you're not gonna the
day after the game, You're not gonna law them, you know.

(01:54:28):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:54:29):
I don't think you kill them.

Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
I think you're right and that you admire what the
Chiefs have done as those were who are you know,
unbiased that are sit here and go all right, well,
I don't. I watched the game. I love football, and
the Chiefs are just amazing, right because Chiefs just in

(01:54:51):
those games, in those moments, they just never lose.

Speaker 4 (01:54:57):
And I'll tell you God's honest truth. I remember the
room I was standing in when the Raiders lost to
the Bengals in the playoffs a couple of years ago.
And I remember the room I was standing in as
the game ended with just a terrible play from Derek Carr.
And I remember looking at one of my buddies and
immediately say, man, what a fun season. And I know,

(01:55:18):
like that's easy for me because I've gone through so
many bad years. But the one thing I refused to
do when the Raiders finally got back to the playoffs,
you know, they had the game against the Texans, it
was terrible, and then the game against the Bengals. There's
only two playoffs games I've seen. I haven't seen a
playoff win since it was a two thousand and two.
So you know, for me, I just stood there and

(01:55:40):
I was like, man, I want to appreciate this because
I just what we forget when it starts to go
good is what it felt like when it was terrible.

Speaker 5 (01:55:49):
And that just just that's just real.

Speaker 4 (01:55:51):
Like that is it's if you are right now, if
you are a Patriots fan and then I'm living up
in Connecticut, you're a Patriots fan. God, it's it's a
tough time right now. And the Chiefs are eventually in
theory someday they're gonna wake up and they're not gonna
have my hit my homes and Andy Reid and they're
gonna suddenly realize, oh yeah, this is what it felt

(01:56:12):
like for a very long time. Like, man, you got
to appreciate the chapters you're in, even if they're not
championship like when you're championship caliber. That phrase existed for
a reason until recently.

Speaker 2 (01:56:24):
Yeah, because each each season is its own entity, right,
It's a journey.

Speaker 3 (01:56:30):
Like, let's be real, you didn't have a journey this year.

Speaker 2 (01:56:34):
One of your finite amount of football seasons, like you
only live so long and you're sitting here irrelevant with
no journey.

Speaker 4 (01:56:43):
I've been an eleven winning years in forty years. Eleven
winning season.

Speaker 2 (01:56:48):
I mean think about that. I mean, so of course
you're gonna go that was a fun season when there's
any sort of run. Yeah, let's continue this fun conversation
where the felt big out. We're coming up next right
here on Fox Sports Radio.

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show posted right after we get off the air. This
is it. She's just joining us. We're talking a lot
about nuanceing and how we celebrate because we're looking at greatness.
Right it's the super Bowl, and we're trying to figure
out how to quantify we have a dynasty with the Chiefs,

(01:58:17):
and really how to quantify everything else.

Speaker 3 (01:58:21):
And the fact that the Bills lose.

Speaker 2 (01:58:24):
I mean obviously that if you're in Buffalo, you're disappointed.

Speaker 3 (01:58:28):
You've been through it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:31):
If there's ever a town that deserves the Super Bowl,
I think it's Buffalo in Detroit and probably Minneapolis too.
But that team is still a great team and it's
still a team that should be celebrated. I look back again,
I said to State Finci. The Eagles didn't win their

(01:58:51):
first foot Bowl until the twenty February twenty eighteen Nick
Foles right, go down in history legend Philly, Philly. Up
until that point, the great est era of Eagles football
was the early two thousands with Andy Reid, and he
had gone to four straight championship games, five and eight seasons,

(01:59:12):
and they didn't win, but they got through a Super Bowl,
and they gave us a journey. They gave us a
season that was a journey that you got to go with.
You got to live through and get and be excited
with and watch and make watch and have watch parties
with your families and friends.

Speaker 3 (01:59:32):
That you love.

Speaker 2 (01:59:33):
I mean, let's face it, consuming football is all about
the journey and you know, sharing it with other people.

Speaker 4 (01:59:40):
It's kind of wild when you say that, too, because
when you have waited forever for a Super Bowl and
then you finally get one, that's just such an unforgettable moment.
You know that you remember forever. Your family talks about forever.
And it is funny that, you know, for Chiefs fans
when they got their first one in the modern era here,

(02:00:01):
for so many fans, it was this, oh my god, incredible.
I can't believe this, Like it was a beautiful thing.
It really was like to watch even you know, obviously
I'm not a Chiefs fan as a Raiders fan, but
seeing my friends that are Chiefs fans, there was this
high five moment of like, this is so cool for you.
I'm really happy for you. Man, Go go celebrate your championship. Congratulations.
It's funny each one after that takes on a little

(02:00:22):
less meaning to the fans, and it does start to
break by break sort of build this wall that everybody
roots against. And so for Bills fans, whenever they finally
break through and eventually, you know, in theory everybody will
get a super Bowl when they eventually break through, the
joy is going to make all of the years of
suffering worth it, there is no doubt about it. But

(02:00:44):
right now, it just it feels. I know, to Bills fans,
you feel so lost in all of this. But man,
if what if the journey doesn't Like I don't feel
like the Bills fans right now should feel like their
journey is the same as Titans fans.

Speaker 5 (02:01:02):
Right this season shouldn't reflect the same to them as
Titans fans.

Speaker 4 (02:01:05):
Like, even if it doesn't end in the super Bowl.

Speaker 5 (02:01:08):
I think you made a really good point at the
end of the last segment.

Speaker 4 (02:01:10):
I stopped having meaningful football games as a Raiders fan.
Week six. Week six, you knew it was over. Everything
was done. Like yeah, like I woke up on Sundays
and thought, okay, here we go. Yeah, Like, it just sucks.
It just it sucks. And then, like I've told you
a million times, and I think people need to remember

(02:01:33):
when your team stinks, it's not just Sunday. It's the
fact that you don't want to turn the TV on
Monday because you don't want to hear anybody make fun
of it. And then Tuesday, you know, you've still got
a little bit of lingering. So maybe by Wednesday you
can actually listen to something sports related to know that
you're not going to be mocked. You know, it's just
it's just such a junkie feeling. You can't tell me
that Bills fans shouldn't look back at this year with

(02:01:56):
a different sense of how their year went like it's
it's a disappointing ending, it's heartbreaking, yes, but it's still
a season that gave you tremendous joy. With one of
the best players in the world, a Hall of Fame
level quarterback, playing year in and year out. You got
a chance. You always have it. Every season you were
gonna have a chance. And that's that's a beautiful thing.
It's a beautiful thing. You got to learn how to appreciate.

(02:02:18):
You got to learn it.

Speaker 2 (02:02:20):
You do and and and trust me, that day will come.
There will be a day when the Buffalo wins the
Super Bowl. I'm praying that you guys will be uh
you know, alive and that you guys can see it.
It will be an incredible feeling. It really will be.
I still think about when the Eagles want it. That

(02:02:43):
night and wow, I mean we're all together and uh,
my family and friends and we all grew up and
it was a big deal. And we went to Broad
Street and I drank you know, we drank tequila and beers,
and you know, we walked until the sun rose and

(02:03:04):
then I had to go. I went right to work
to do the show and it was just an amazing
night where the whole city was unified.

Speaker 5 (02:03:14):
Did you sleep before you went to do the show?

Speaker 7 (02:03:16):
No?

Speaker 2 (02:03:16):
I went right from literally right from Broad Street, and
I hopped in an uber to go to do my show.
I was on at six, so I stayed out all
night and went right to the studio and hugged. I
had the hug. I don't know, ten thousand people that night.

Speaker 4 (02:03:35):
The game in Nashville where the Preds advanced to the
Stanley Cup Final.

Speaker 5 (02:03:42):
I remember after that.

Speaker 4 (02:03:43):
Game because I was working for the I was hosting
the morning show on one or two five the game
out there that we were the flagship for the Preds,
so we had to go in and do the show.
The next morning, we did the same thing. We stayed
out on Lower broad all night and then went to
the studio and we just like we did the the
laziest four hours of radio ever.

Speaker 5 (02:04:02):
But it was the best because.

Speaker 4 (02:04:03):
We literally just sat down and said, Okay, like call us,
tell us how you're feeling, Like, tell us how how
you'll remember this moment what it is.

Speaker 3 (02:04:10):
That's just the lazy Yeah, that's the lazy radio.

Speaker 2 (02:04:13):
That is sharing an incredible moment with the whole city,
and it's beautiful. I got news for you that is
such some of the most rewarding. People don't know my background.
I was a writer for a long time. I still
love to write. I write, you know, movies and TV,

(02:04:34):
and you know, I've written three books. I love to write,
so it's still my favorite job in the business. And
I used to go and cover big games. I used
to write five thousand word profiles and stories and enterprise
pieces in the New York Post. I loved it every Sunday.
But radio and local media has a warmth to it

(02:04:58):
that you don't find in the places right like that
you don't find certainly in print where you could share
these moments with people, and there is a great warmth
that like during those moments that shared. I mean, it's beautiful.
And I tell like Philadelphia that lives it and breathes it,

(02:05:21):
it was I'm telling you, I did shots with people
and I hugged. I can't tell you how many people
that I hugged. I mean it, And it was one
of the greatest nights. I'll never forget. It was a
beautiful evening. And I hope, I hope the guy that
everybody gets to experience that. Like, not to sound corny,

(02:05:41):
but I love for Buffalo to experience in Detroit, to
experience in Minnesota, like the fan bases that really care,
like I would love to hear, to see you a
greater nation to have to get that like that, that
would be a gift.

Speaker 4 (02:05:58):
I can't even imagine. And it's why sometimes I roll
my eyes loudly, if you can assign a noise to
I rolling every time Cowboys fans sit there and say, well,
we haven't won a Super Bowl since the nineties and
blah blah blah, and I'm like, okay, and you know,
I'm sorry, but there are a whole bunch of franchises

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and we don't sit here every single And.

Speaker 5 (02:06:21):
I know it's the Cowboys are a big brand, and
it's Jerry Jones.

Speaker 4 (02:06:24):
I get all that, But the Cowboys are not more
deserving just because they're the Cowboys of being in a
super Bowl. Then I don't know the Cleveland Browns, you know,
than the Buffalo Bills, you know, than my beloved Raiders,
Like there are plenty of franchises out there with incredible
loyal fan bases that would kill to know what it
feels like to play in an AFC or NFC championship

(02:06:45):
game or have the opportunity to go to the super
Bowl like this is. It is such a rarity, and
it's been dominated over the last you know, at this point,
now what twenty plus years, two teams have essentially dominated
the Lombardi.

Speaker 5 (02:07:00):
That's just the way it's gone.

Speaker 4 (02:07:01):
And so, you know, as a result, that leaves a
bunch of suffering fan bases. I think it's funny for
all the time that we spent I've spent talking about
we've got to fix baseball.

Speaker 5 (02:07:10):
That's what everybody knows.

Speaker 4 (02:07:12):
Baseball sure as hell does a good job at least
find the different champions all the time, Like the dominance
in the NFL is just it changes so much of
that You're right, Like, there are a ton of people
that will live their entire lives. Is die hard tattoo,
having jersey whearing, you know, football love and fanatics at
the highest possible level. They will live their entire lives

(02:07:34):
and never see their team win a championship. It's it's
wild you give so much as a fan because you're
just connected to it. Like I can't control the fact
that my heart rate changes when the Raiders play. I
wish it didn't because they stink, but it doesn't like it.
And then nothing changes the fact that I'm jumping up
and down to my house for a three win football team,
trying to figure out how to win at the end

(02:07:55):
of the season, like it nothing changes these things. So
there's so many people like us that you know they're
never gonna see a super Bowl.

Speaker 5 (02:08:03):
It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (02:08:04):
And that's what I guess. That's why appreciation hits my
my heart so much in these moments, because you don't
know if you're gonna, like, you don't know if you're
ever gonna see a super Bowl, and if you're never
gonna see a super Bowl, and there's nothing you can
do to change that. Man, you got to learn how
to appreciate the wins, because if you don't appreciate the wins,
and your only answer is if we don't win a

(02:08:24):
super Bowl, then this whole year was just junk or
better than there's better than how some money here that
you may never enjoy a single season the rest of
your life.

Speaker 5 (02:08:33):
What's the point? I just you gotta find joy in
winning seasons.

Speaker 2 (02:08:36):
You have to I journey I talk about all the time.
I'm such a believer in it. Like I look at
the Eagles and they're really good and they're not going anywhere,
Like their defense is young. With Howie Roseman has done
is put together an incredible roster that's sustainable. I mean

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he's achieved his goal, which is relevance, and it spans
coordinators and even quarterbacks. Right, Carson Wentz was the franchise quarterback.
Nick Foles came in after he gets hurt and wins
the Super Bowl. Then Wentz blows up. Ironically, now with
the Chiefs, Wentz blows up, blows up, and then Jalen

(02:09:21):
comes in and there it's hurts, but it goes beyond that.
It's you know, several coordinators and coaches. Doug Peterson is fired,
and next thing you know, here's Nick Sirianni. Nobody heard
of him. He does well. He has two coordinators get poached,
and now he's going to get a third coordinator poached

(02:09:42):
with Kellen Moore. It's it's pretty interesting how that happens.
And I tell people all the time, enjoy this because
one of the things that happens is and you can't
speak to this, right because you've never had the opportunity.
So now, when the team becomes relevant, like the Eagles

(02:10:04):
so obviously the Chiefs and the Patriots were the two dynasties,
all of a sudden, the fan base swells and like
there's Eagle fans everywhere and it's awesome, right, It's like, wow,
this is so cool that the Eagle thing or your team,
whether it's Chiefs, Patriots or whatever it is, has spread

(02:10:26):
and there's that many people, but most of them don't
have the context that, Yo, you better enjoy this now
because it wasn't always like this. Like at some point
the Raiders are going to go on a run, and
I believe that because I believe in Brady help get
it right. And the Raiders will be relevant, and they'll

(02:10:47):
be they'll have a you know, five to six year
period where they're going to be in super Bowls and
be relevant, and I hope and that's the case for you.
You'll tell people, hey, listen, enjoy this because this was
never this wasn't always the norm.

Speaker 4 (02:11:02):
Yeah, I mean, look, I look forward to bandwagoners like
that's a that's a glorious spot to be and when
people are joining the bandwagon for for no good reason,
and it's funny how that there's this tipping point for
all of it. I think what's interesting is that you
end up being Kansas City, for example, and you win

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one and everybody's just it's endearing, and then you're back
and all of a sudden, the bandwagon's big, getting bigger
and bigger and bigger, and then you're back again, and
then before you know it, the bandwagon has exploded. But
then all of a sudden you get the you know,
the the opposite effect of it, and it becomes you know,
eighties wrestling, where like Macho Man's a baby face and

(02:11:44):
then he's a heel and then he's a baby face.
Like I think we're in the same spot for the Chiefs.
They're you know, they're they're gonna have to go through
some massive adversity before people start to decide they want
to root for them again. And I don't know where
that comes. I'm like one of the few people in
the world looks at it now and says, hey, this
is win win this super Bowl, Like as somebody with
no rooting interest in it, this is win win for

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me because in my mind, one of the best players
and easiest players to root for in the NFL, one
of the players that we can all fall in love
with is Saquon Right, Like Saquon has done everything his
entire career the.

Speaker 5 (02:12:16):
Right way, in a way that makes you just your
root for him.

Speaker 4 (02:12:19):
And by the way, I think he's absolutely electric to
watch it special and you think about the fat guys
up front and the defensive line guys, the talent they
have everywhere, Like it's easy for me in my mind
to find a really cool story out of the Eagles.
I got no root in an interest against them. I
think it's a great it's a great story if they win. Conversely,
three straight, man, I mean I I can easily throw

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my hands up and say, what were you supposed to
do like, all right, so three straight for what I
think is I've told you repeatedly, and I think it's
going to go down in history. I think the best
coach of all time is standing on the sidelines of
the Super Bowl. It's not Belichick, It's going to be
Andy Reid. I think Andy Reid ends up the best
coach of all time. I think Patrick Mahomes ends up
and may already be the best.

Speaker 5 (02:13:03):
Quarterback of all time.

Speaker 4 (02:13:05):
And I think that Spags is the best defensive coordinator
in the NFL right now and.

Speaker 5 (02:13:08):
Maybe ends up being the best of all time.

Speaker 4 (02:13:11):
So like I'm looking at all this and saying, if
I can see three straight championships from Goat, Goat, Goat
Hall of when each of these gentlemen and they all
three will be inducted in the Hall of Fame, we
will sit down and tell people, hey, no, no, no, no,
you gotta watch, like thirty years from now, it'll be Nope, that's.

Speaker 5 (02:13:28):
Not as good as reads Spags.

Speaker 4 (02:13:30):
And Mahomes was like this is this is timeless, Like
this level of greatness is something that grandkids will hear about.
So I think this is a win win super Bowl,
even though the whole world seems to think it's an
unwatched I know.

Speaker 2 (02:13:44):
I'm trying not to annoy people with it. I agree
with you, I think it's no. The problem is is
that you know, I'm in the like I'm kind of
in the middle of it right where it's your team,
your town, your team, and it's the Andy Reebowl Roman

(02:14:05):
numeral too. I mean he's I think, dude, I think
back like the real story, and it's a fascinating one
that the nation. I'd love for the nation to be interested.
I don't know if they if it's interested in it.
But the amount of headaches that Andy Reid took in

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this town. Dude, he used to get.

Speaker 9 (02:14:30):
Destroyed, absolutely destroyed because remember the town was different back
then because the town lost.

Speaker 3 (02:14:41):
I mean it was bad. The eagles were. They stunk.

Speaker 2 (02:14:44):
So people had, like the generation before me, like that
boomer think like they hate.

Speaker 3 (02:14:52):
They were nasty, they were.

Speaker 2 (02:14:55):
Boom, you know, they wore horns, and they Troy Andy
woe who you're hiring some dude. They killed him about
his weight, they killed him about everything, his press conferences.
I mean they well, I had a buddy of mine
who I used to work with, who was older and

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he just was. He was just like a nasty like
like an older, older dude who was just hard right
like he was. He was nasty man. And he was like, look,
spurryer is going to kill him. And this guy's going
to kill him. And he used to ride him and
bust his stones every day. And I'm thinking to myself,

(02:15:44):
the dudes just wanned go to the championship Game's this,
he's that, and he's going to turn out to be
the best coach in the history of the NFL.

Speaker 3 (02:15:52):
And I freaking love it because he deserves it.

Speaker 4 (02:15:55):
That's yeah, it's wild. You're right, He's gonna end up
being the best ever. And supposedly he couldn't get over
the hop Like it's just it's just a case study
for everybody. Supposedly he couldn't get over the hop.

Speaker 2 (02:16:06):
Yeah. And I think back to when, I mean he
suffered a lot of tragedy of his kids. Yep, I
mean it was. I mean I wrote a story with him.
I sent it to you on Father's Day. It was
about a father. It was his father's days. I wrote
this whole story about how it was a year after

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his son had died and he had taken a leave
of apps since he'd done some certain it moved some
of his duties. It was tough man. He went through.
He went through a lot in Philadelphia. And I know
that Jeffrey Lory never never wanted to fire him, like
Jeffrey Laurie never wanted to move on from him. Jeffrey

(02:16:48):
Lewie's instincts were right that he wasn't. It just had expired.
It's the only way I could put it. And but
his his his finger prints are all over the success now,
I mean to the point where you know he basically,

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you know, brought Howie Roseman along. I mean, he he,
he taught him. It's a pretty it's great story fits
he great story where the fellas as we hang out,
the brain is going to join us, maybe give us
a little college basketball introduction, right and they see if
he's got that, we'll dive into that stuff with the Brain.

(02:17:30):
Coming up next, Fellas Jason Fitz, Anthony Gargano right here,
Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 7 (02:17:36):
listen live.

Speaker 2 (02:17:49):
Fellas Jason Fitz Anthony Gargana from the ti rack dot
Com studios oh Man special shout out to Yo to
our man Lou in Cincinnati, because he said this conversation
about you know, living through it, how tough it is.

(02:18:12):
He said, welcome to my world, my life as a
sixty three year old Bengals fan. Yep, right. Yet, we're
gonna do the show because I think we did it
last year once where we celebrate the fan bases. So
I want to. I want to do that. I want

(02:18:32):
to after the season, we'll take a show and each
show will be themed for a different fan base that
we celebrate.

Speaker 5 (02:18:41):
I love that. That's a great idea.

Speaker 2 (02:18:42):
All right, let's do it.

Speaker 3 (02:18:44):
But join us now.

Speaker 2 (02:18:46):
He is incredible, all right when it comes to the
world of sports. From a betting standpoint, he is our man,
the brain. Brad Feinberg, Good morning, Brain.

Speaker 8 (02:18:58):
Good morning at morning.

Speaker 2 (02:19:01):
We're good. We're just you know, kind of wandering through
the wilderness of no football.

Speaker 8 (02:19:07):
Anthony again, I we always, we have this talk every year,
and we're at that time of the year again. The
only good news is me and you being Philly guys. Uh,
great to see the Eagles made it. But on the
same side, You're like, gosh, man, then you know what
happens after this. It's just to me football is irreplaceable, uh.

Speaker 2 (02:19:29):
Worse right because tomorrow's because Tomorrow's Sunday, right, and we're
used to, you know, the last week of championship games,
the whole thing, and tomorrow there's no sports since you
know we're talking about it earlier. There's no college good college,
there's no NBA, there's nothing tomorrow.

Speaker 8 (02:19:45):
It's Anthony, You're right, and I know Anthony me. You've
also talked about this in general, the state of Look,
and I'm a cute you always look. I do my
sports betting, but at the end of the day, I
am a person who grew up following sports, loving sports,
wh watching sports twenty four to seven, still do, but
you know, talking about what's going to happen right in

(02:20:05):
the NBA. You're focused on the NBA. My just forgetting
the gambling. I still gamble every single day on it religiously,
but this is an enjoyment factor. Watching the NBA for
me has gone from let's suppose my level was a
ten and interest. It has gone down exponentially with and
it's all been self inflicted. Rules in my opinion with
how they've decided to run the league or whatnot. And

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I'm just you know, it's like, gosh, that's what I
have been looking for, is the NBA. I'll definitely probably
be dubbing more into college. At least I still enjoyed,
enjoy that the NBA for me, guys.

Speaker 3 (02:20:37):
So I don't know, we had that conversation earlier too.

Speaker 4 (02:20:44):
Yeah, I feel like that Tomorrow is like the second
saddest Sunday of the year. The saddest is a Sunday
after the super Bowl.

Speaker 5 (02:20:51):
But because at least.

Speaker 4 (02:20:52):
Tomorrow will be like, hey, like tomorrow is this Like
I'm glad I'm flying to New Orleans tomow. I'm busy,
like I got something occupying my time, just to just
to try and to track me from the fact that
you know, there's there's no actual football.

Speaker 8 (02:21:03):
I listen, I get it, I get it, I get it.
Who's picking in the game.

Speaker 4 (02:21:08):
Sorry, guys, Look, I've heard that we were carbon copies
of each other. This is the one thing that I
keep saying is that you know, seven times in the
playoffs or Super Bowl, Mahomes has had the ball in
his hands with three minutes or less needing a score
to tire win, and he's gotten that score all seven times.

Speaker 5 (02:21:24):
That's unprecedented.

Speaker 4 (02:21:26):
They've won what seventeen straight one score games, twelve to
zero this year. The only way you beat him is
you blow him out. And nobody blows out the Chiefs.
So even though I think the Eagles are better, doesn't matter.
Now I'm taking the Chiefs.

Speaker 8 (02:21:38):
It reminds me when it's like it's the chief When
you play the Chief, you get twenty in blackshack and
the dealer just going to pull twenty one. You have
a house's going to happen.

Speaker 5 (02:21:46):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (02:21:47):
Yeah, it's like yeah, I mean they just they do it.
I mean that's what they do. That's what they do.

Speaker 10 (02:21:54):
You wine the Eagle offensive line, Connor the defense, it's
the antidote to the to the dealer.

Speaker 3 (02:22:08):
Is the antidote.

Speaker 8 (02:22:10):
I think Eagles definitely have the better team on paper,
but again there's something it's just there. I got very
great to me when I watched the Chiefs team. I
think every time I watched him, like god, they're just
not even good forgetting super Bowl but it's not even good.
And then they just they just they just I don't
I don't.

Speaker 2 (02:22:28):
Know how and they're great and there and then and
Ali do it. You guys are right, like again they
win games. They do and you'll have something in the
game plan that he wasn't there.

Speaker 3 (02:22:40):
It was not on tape.

Speaker 2 (02:22:41):
He's a brilliant something they got luck.

Speaker 8 (02:22:46):
You know, every game, but something seems to happen luckwise
that you're just like, how did this happen? And it
happens every single game, and.

Speaker 3 (02:22:52):
You're just like, you do make your life. We were great,
you make your luck.

Speaker 2 (02:22:55):
I I do.

Speaker 8 (02:22:57):
That's definitely true. I agree with that part. I agree
with that top of my friends. We will, we will listen,
we will, we will see. They certainly have the better
team on paper. Uh will they get their book if
Jale Hurts can play like you did, guys, like you
did two weeks ago, which I thought was the best
game I've seen Joel Hurts play conservatively this year, I don't.

(02:23:17):
I probably have to go back, probably left maybe since
the Super Bowl from two years ago. I think it
was the best game I've seen him play. He plays
like that, I agree, thought off he should actually clearly win.
But I can't say I didn't get that as a guarantee.

Speaker 2 (02:23:31):
All right, So let's look at today and can you
give us a college basketball primer?

Speaker 3 (02:23:37):
All right, it's a lot of great games.

Speaker 5 (02:23:41):
Yeah, big, big, big line up.

Speaker 8 (02:23:45):
Excuse me, Yeah, I got a couple of games in
college I like us. First, Anthony that I mentioned this
to you a few days ago, park from underbraty college
teams in basketball, and I told you I thought Florida
was a team that in my eye had them ranked.
I think in my power ratings, Florida to me is
a team that I think is like an underrated team

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that is not being respected because they weren't maybe expected
to be And I'm the team this year, but I
think they're every bit as good as Tennessee. I actually
have them ranked a head of Tennessee, and you could
take five and a half points in this game right now.
But Tennessee to me, started off with seventeen and oh
or fifteen or sixteen mil I think now they're seventeen

(02:24:26):
and four. I don't want to call them a big protograph,
but I definitely think they're overrated. And obviously I hate
taking road teams in college because I do think there
is a legitimate advantage to home court in college basketball
for many reasons. But again I thought this line should
have come in closer to two and a half. So, actually,
in Florida is the better team. I did play Florida
getting five and a half, and I'm gonna stick in

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the FDC and I'm going against my favorite team. I
love Auburn this year. I think they're the best belief,
but I think this line is too high. You could
take six and a half with ole Miss. Mississippi to
me is I haven't been ranked around nineteen in my ratings.
They're at home. I think they can keep this game close.

(02:25:10):
I really really do. Mississippi has played really well this year,
and they get at home, and they've actually played great games,
and they played very competitively. In those teams they one
had Alabama, which to me is another elite team. I
think ole Miss. Again, I thought this line has been
closer to four. You want to give me six and

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a half for the team, I think they win the
game outright. I think ole Miss can win this game
out right. Guys, I think that line six and a
half too high. Even if you take six, which is
widely available. I like that as well too.

Speaker 5 (02:25:43):
What do you make a Yukon this year.

Speaker 4 (02:25:45):
Like we talked about teams that you win this year,
they find a way to lose like that. Where are
we supposed to be on them?

Speaker 8 (02:25:51):
Yeah, well, this is finally the year where Hurley doesn't
have the goods. Okay, great coach, but he doesn't have
the goods. So you know they're they're Look, they're a
solid team. There are a good team. They're an Incuba
tournament team. My guess is probably win one game in
the tournament, maybe get to switch the team, but probably not.

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Marquette's been the best team in the Big East this year,
and Marquette is laying the big number of the lane
either six and a half to seven, depending where you
shop it. I think that's the right number in that
picker game. Yukon to me, again, great coach, but they
just don't have the firepower they've had in the pass.
So I do not the Yukon as the contender this

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year in college basketball. I think they'll win it most
two games. Probably only want to go by out of Stancer.

Speaker 2 (02:26:37):
Wow. Wow, anybody, it's funny. You like it's funny? You
like Florida, Man, that's that's gonna be. That's a great game.

Speaker 3 (02:26:46):
Do you lay it?

Speaker 2 (02:26:47):
Do you lay with Duke? I mean, obviously Caroline is
not good. Yeah, lot of points.

Speaker 8 (02:26:52):
It is a lot of points, I think right now,
let me I think it's laying last I chick. It
was thirteen and a half. Thirteen thirteen and a half
and the only side I would be on belief or not.
I hate to say this in a rivalry game. I
hate to say an a rivalry game. And North Toronto
was a team I'd probably lowered to my power ratings,
maybe more than any other team from where I were
before the year. I had them ranked at the top

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ten team. They've been just they've just been bad. I mean,
I always say again in life, sports, betting and your defining,
you choose to be consistent, you choose you're right fighting
the fact. Yeah, I thought they were going to be
good this year, but they just haven't been, even though
they basically to turn most of their players and they
actually added a couple of players from the Portal. But
it just has not worked out for this North Carolina

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team for whatever reason, they've just been They've been poor.
They really have been poor. Duke is a legitimate top
five team. To me, North Toronto just keeps losing and
losing and losing these games, and I just look, it's
a huge number. It's a rivalry game. I'm not going
to do it. But actually my power ratings believe it
or not, made this line closer to sixteen. But I'm

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not I just because of the fact it's always a close.

Speaker 5 (02:27:58):
Look.

Speaker 8 (02:27:58):
I love goes back to that Michigan Ohio State team.
Ohio States should have killed Michigan, but rivalry Michigan wins
the game out right. I just can't do it just
because of the rivalry factor. But I from a numbers perpective,
actually think it's the late thirteen attection a little bit
like believe it or not.

Speaker 5 (02:28:13):
You've talked about kind of where you have things ranked.

Speaker 4 (02:28:16):
The SEC has basically everybody ranked thirteen sixteen teams projected
to make the tournament right now. Is there anybody that
stands out to you in the SEC that you really
don't believe in?

Speaker 8 (02:28:25):
Well, I mean in terms of like who the good
the good teams are. I mean, I know I coach
Tennant Tennessee would be the team to make Tennessee. I
think Alburn's legit. I think Alburn's the best team in
college basketball this year. But when I look at and
I think Alabama is legit A and M I think
is a solid team. Kentucky I think it is a
solid team. Ole Miss I think is a solid team.

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The team that I just don't quite believe in is Tennessee.
And again the head coach, nothing against him, but man,
it's just kind of we see like certain coaches in
bigs always find a way things just go against them,
and me Rick Barnes is one of those guys where
until he ever does something in a big spot, which
has never happened, I'll just choose to believe that Tennessee

(02:29:11):
for whatever reason, is not going to get it done.
And I just don't think they have enough firepower offensively.
I would say that would be the team. And then looked.
Then you have lower teams like Missouri's had a good year,
the City States had a good year. Those are other
SEC teams that are good. Texas is solid, George is solid.
But I don't think any of those seems are necessary.

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Nderbilt when my stung Goes actually had a really nice year, Wells.

Speaker 2 (02:29:36):
Real Quick was up against it, Brad h I just bail.
I like Baylor today over Kansas, And then what do
you think about the Calipari.

Speaker 8 (02:29:45):
Yeah, well I would be I would definitely be on
the Baylor side. They're laying two and a half.

Speaker 4 (02:29:49):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (02:29:51):
It has just been a poor year for America in Kansas,
I thought would be better. Definitely definitely lean towards the
towards the Bailer side. But again I was hoping I'd
be getting closer to pick them at the late two
and a half points. The Calipari ball look the lines
right now, fitting between ten and a half and eleven
and a half in that depending on where you shop

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it look to me. Look, I actually like Kentucky as
a team. Actually Kentucky is really really fold but again
the Lion, the lion is expensive. That being said, I
mean towards Kentucky. I think Kentucky. I actually like the
way they're playing. I like the way they looked against
the last game. I would lean there, lay in the
ten and a half I'll get I'd be up against

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it real quick, some props, real guys, some real quick
tenggoon rockets over four and amp fists actually five and
a half, fox Kings over four and Halfphysis thirty three
and eleven year to date, sixteen and fours left twenty,
Monk Kings of five and a fist nine and one
is last ten and sixteen and fours left twenty. Those
are three props I like very much.

Speaker 2 (02:30:51):
Also, great stop brain as always. Next week we go.

Speaker 3 (02:30:54):
To all the Yeah, I got all the props.

Speaker 2 (02:30:57):
So we'll dive all into that one. Thanks buddy, appreciate
the brain. We'll come back, by the way, shout sight.
Chuck headed to the game that night at rop to
boo on Calup to boo Calipari roote on.

Speaker 3 (02:31:11):
The Cats will take quick t come right back.

Speaker 2 (02:31:15):
Wrapping up fellas hanging out right here on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 4 (02:31:20):
Song gets heavier now when it's the almost the end
of football season, right.

Speaker 2 (02:31:23):
I know, I was thinking the same thing. Man, I'm
gonna cry even if the Eagles win. I'll cry happy tears,
and I'll cry sad tears and they when the football
goes away. Yes, yes, Jason Fitz, Anthony Gargano fellas every
week right here on Fox Sports Radio. I want to

(02:31:45):
thank our five production team. We love them, Brianna who
is terrific, and of course mighty Mark. So thanks guys,
we appreciate it. It's all tap man, what do you
got like today? I know you're leaving tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (02:32:03):
Man, I'm just like today's just sort of a get
ready for tomorrow, Like I feel like I need to
rest my way up, you know, and get ready for
the absolute chaos known as New Orleans.

Speaker 5 (02:32:13):
So you know, and.

Speaker 4 (02:32:15):
You'll be there too, Like we're gonna be We're gonna
both be in the city all week.

Speaker 5 (02:32:20):
It's we're gonna do some damage. The fellow is gonna
take over.

Speaker 2 (02:32:23):
I will I will call, I will text you. I'm
waiting for my plans, so I will text you and
give you every, give you everything when uh, when your show.
You'll start your shows on Monday.

Speaker 4 (02:32:38):
So Monday, I'm doing just interviews for other people. So
I'm just hopping along and doing some promotion for Yahoo.
I don't actually, I don't have to work as hard
this year as I did last year. I do some
interviews Monday, some interviews Tuesday, but then you know, just
most of my tapings Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, pretty easy, and
then I leave Friday afternoon. The little known fact for
a lot of people, the way they do the hotels.

(02:33:00):
If you want a hotel for Sunday night, you have
to book a hotel for Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.

Speaker 5 (02:33:06):
They require you to block all.

Speaker 4 (02:33:08):
Three days out, so if you are not doing a
show on or around the game, there's not really a need,
you know.

Speaker 5 (02:33:14):
So my reaction show.

Speaker 4 (02:33:16):
Is Monday morning to the Super Bowl. So for Yahoo,
I spend the money to keep me out there all weekend,
so I leave Friday afternoon. It's one of those weird
things I had to get used to when I first
joined media, is that Friday afternoon, like the whole place
is a zoo Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and then Friday afternoon,
it feels like two thirds of the people clear out.

Speaker 5 (02:33:32):
It's kind of crazy.

Speaker 3 (02:33:33):
Yeah, it's weird, isn't it how that works?

Speaker 2 (02:33:36):
Yeah, you know everybody's gone, and you know you saw
the main people that are covering the game, But it's
the week long festivities that are really the attraction.

Speaker 4 (02:33:49):
Yeah, And I would implore anybody that's in the area go,
like just walk around, see the people, watch, go to
the NFL Experience thing, Like it's pretty wild. Everyday thing
that's there and everything that you can do and be
a part of, even if you're not going to the
game itself. It's just a it's just a cool experience,
I think for the week and total chaos. I know
Vegas last week or last year was was total chaos

(02:34:11):
and you couldn't even walk around half the time. So
you know, I mean, New Orleans has a reputation as
being such a spectacular host city. It'll be interesting because
I went before when I was first starting out in
this whole career, you know, before I was ever full
time doing it. I went to the New Orleans super
Bowl next to a buddy of mine and I just
went and hung out. I didn't go to the game.

(02:34:35):
I went to everything leading up to it to see
how it works. I'll be interesting because that's been almost
a decade, right, Like, it feels like this is far
more of a spectacle now than it was then.

Speaker 2 (02:34:44):
So yeah, to see how Yeah. In fact, I was
talking to I was text with Joe Flacco the other
day and uh, we were talking about that because that
was remember he was a rookie and it was Ravens
Niners and it was funny because I wanted to get him.

Speaker 3 (02:35:06):
On the air and he's like, dude, goes, he goes.
I just want to relax.

Speaker 2 (02:35:10):
I don't want to think about super Pole and I'm
not going to relive that one. He goes, it was great,
It was awesome, the whole thing. But you know, I mean,
you know, for players, it's so interesting, right because of
their own journey, and a lot of them go, you know,
they'll watch it, they'll have it on, but they're not

(02:35:30):
you know, not for owing parties.

Speaker 4 (02:35:33):
Yeah, I mean it's it's also tough for some people
to sit there and watch what they're trying to accomplish.

Speaker 2 (02:35:38):
You know.

Speaker 3 (02:35:38):
Yeah, other people do it, right.

Speaker 4 (02:35:40):
Yeah, I mean you want to be in that game,
not watching that game. And I can imagine that at
the end of a long season, the first thing you
want to do is just get as far away from
it as possible. You already have to do your workouts
and everything else, Like, yeah, getting away from the game.
I wouldn't watch it if I was playing in the league.

Speaker 2 (02:35:55):
Right, Like you could see it, right, Like you could
see it from their perspective, you know. I mean, like
if you imagine if you're a Bills, if you're on
the Bills, like you're going, I don't I don't want
do you want to watch that?

Speaker 4 (02:36:05):
Not a chance in hell I'm watching that if from
the Bills, no, I'm stay way away.

Speaker 2 (02:36:08):
If you're a Bills fan, you probably don't want to
watch it ro you know. Listen, we love your buddy
h Fellows love you guys. Thank you, have a great week.
We'll see you next Saturday.

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