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quote today. Well, Richie, it's your birthday. I feel it.
Oh my gosh, it's another trip around the sun, uh
for me, and uh boy, I just I don't know, man.
You know what's great about sharing my birthday with a
holiday that's supposed to be all about um your wife,
is that somehow we've worked it out in our household

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that the birthday trump's Valentine's Day, Like somehow birthday is
stacked And I don't know, I didn't make this rule,
but somehow it got stacked higher than Maundine's Day. So
I've been fortunate this has worked out well, you know.
And yesterday and talking to Jeff Schwartz, Jeff actually took
his wife out to dinner last night. So but I

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always asked, you know, guys in general, whether it's your wife,
your girlfriend, whoever. You know. Valentine's Day was created by women.
There's no question about that. No guy would have come
up with this concept because the pressure is on guys.
And you know how most late women are. They always
say the same, Well, you don't have to do anything
for me, don't do what you please. They do it
all the time, and you know you can't fall down

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that not that is not that is not when please,
do not get me anything. I don't need anything. Don't
get me a gift, don't do anything else. You better
deliver now this But this is interesting for you because
it's your day. It's your birthday today, and your wife
Ann has dealt with that. I could only imagine her

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reaction when you guys first started dating. So when's your birthday?
My birthday is February four, Your birthday is Valentine's Day. Well, yeah,
it came up the first time we were thinking about
celebrating a Valentine's Day together. I said, oh, yeah, it
happens to be my birthday. She was like when I
was like on Valentine's Day and She's like, are you kidding?

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My day? Not your day? I remember she was like,
oh great, but over time you get used to it.
And the truth is you're absolutely right regardless of who
it was exactly who invented this holiday, because it was
an invention of modern times. Um, however it came to be.
If I don't also perform the appropriate task of flowers

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or chocolate, oh yeah, it's not gonna be a good birthday.
So I promise you. Waiting in the car right now
when I drive back down to San Diego is a
gift for m I may be the only guy ever
in this industry to have had two long time partners
with birthdays. On Valentine's Day, I wish my former partner
Pat O'Brien a happy birthday today. Pat's doing well, a

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long time co host with me here on Fox Sports Radio,
So well, happy birthday, rank Um. We have a lot
to do today, as you mentioned, and it's interesting as
you walked in here as now we are post Super Bowl,
and I do want to do a little wrap up
on the Super Bowl with you, but uh, the the
NFL seems to be morphine into the n b A
and we'll get into details, but I want to start

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the show talking a little bit of the aftermath of
Super Bowl fifty five with you, and you know, obviously
all this attention has been given to Tom Brady, the
big celebration, drunk Tom Brady staggering off the boat. All
this is good stuff, by the way, this was really
good stuff. It was. It was very refreshing my my
initial thought of watching him stagger off that boat after

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a apparently the avar rita avo rita like Margarita avo
was the avocado tequila avo Rita's what they're calling it.
And what I thought immediately was, well, first of all,
good for him, because now he looks like a normal
already three year old father at three who's away from
the wife and kids and hanging out with the guys.
Like that's a normal thing, right, we're taking the boats out.

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What are you gonna be doing, oh, fishing whatever. I mean,
it was very human a Brady to do that, But
it also seemed to me like he didn't have to
deal with Belichick, Like, you know, Belichick was always of
that mindset, like, you know, as soon as we wrap
up one, we're into the next season, and I think
Bruce arians who obviously is a very different dynamic than

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Tom Brady. Tom, Tom, guess what celebrate a little bit.
We got We got plenty of time to get ready
for the new season. Why didn't you smell the roses
do a little celebration. Maybe got a little carried away,
But at the same time, I thought it was great
and it was wonderful and he deserved it obviously well,
having been a teammate of his for three years while

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I was with New England, I can I can attest.
I can assure you that wasn't his first time ever drinking. Uh.
You know. Look, but there is something to be said
about the difference of atmosphere. What what the Patriots was
was all about order and about discipline, and about the
Patriot way and about do your job. And it seemed

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from the outside like there was no room for fun.
I can tell you being on the inside, there was fun.
We had a good time there. It was. It was
a lot more business oriented than any any other place
that I had played, whether it be in high school,
college or professionally after my time with the Patriots. But
there was room for fun. There was less room. There

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was less room. There's there was no question. There was
less leash uh And and those sabbaticals from how would
Belichick to a couple of boats and hot toisting the
Lombardi Trophy across the boats, and and watching Tom Brady
stagger off the boat Belichick because I've always heard yeah,
I honestly don't think, I mean think about Belichick from

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just the standpoint of like trolling the rest of the
the NFL. He has a boat named after how many rings?
So like, yeah, he has a sense of humor. And
I think blowing off the team after a great victory
is something nobody or a great loss. I was on
a team that lost the Super Bowl and we still partied.
I mean the opening act the Super Bowl lost party

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for us in Indianapolis when we failed to beat the
Giants was earth Win and Fire. They were followed by
Maroon five and then L M F a Oh closed
the show. We we ended up on stage with our
shirts off. I mean, you remember, back in two thousand
and twelve, there was like Gronk had a sprained ankle
going into that game. I was in any covering that

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super and there there were videos released after our party
that Gronk was dancing with a sprained ankle, And why
did he look slow on the field or why was
there all this issue about his ankle. If he can dance,
it's like relax. He was hammered drunk. You know, we
were all having We're having the best time we could
considering the circumstances. I'm not saying drinking to access is

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a part of the culture, but I am saying, like
anybody else, you celebrate victories, and you celebrate hard because
you work so hard to get there. Yeah, it was great.
I I loved every second. I love Bruce Arians, I Light,
the GM cursing and everything. Jason Light, love that stuff.
That stuff all right on the other side, though, because

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all the attention, rightfully so, it has been on the
winners and it wasn't just a win. Again, when we
look back on that Super Bowl, the idea that Tampa
could win, Yeah, I could see Tampa winning that game,
and I had questions with our buddy Nick Hardwick. I
talked to Jeff Schwartz, of course, his brother Mitchell's on
the Chiefs. Talked to you about this whole dynamic of

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this offensive line, this makeshift offensive line that the Chiefs
had for this Super Bowl, where they had three guys
in positions where they weren't normally backups, third string guys,
go it against a four man front. That was damn
good for the Tampa and everybody. Everybody seemed the same
the thing. Yes, in normal circumstances, this could be a

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big factor, but we have Patrick Mahomes. Now, you asked
me last week about the whole Mahomes situation as we're
getting ready for Super Bowl Super Bowl, about if Mahomes
loses this game as he still and retires immediately as
the Hall of Famer. My my response was, sort of
depends on how this game goes well after that loss.

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No fall on Mahomes, by the way, that would be
a tough sell. Now, it's amazing to me the one stat.
There were a lot of negative stats for the Chiefs
in this game, but the one stat that just blew
me away because I remember we were talking about the
NFC Championship game rematch between the Packers and the Buccaneers
and how the Buccaneers had wiped out the Packers in
the first game and they had thirteen quarterback hits thirteen

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in one game. In this Super Bowl they had twenty nine.
I have never heard the number like that. Twenty nine
quarterback pressures or hurries in this one game. And he
ran for almost five yards they calculated scrambling away really
running for his life. And here's what I don't understand.
The one guy that seems to be skating free of
this is Andy Reid, because there was a certain level

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of arrogance. You know, at halftime, you're down what tenty
one to six, you haven't done much of anything, but
maybe Andy Reid just like, ah, you know what, the
kid's gonna bail me out, just like he did last year.
They didn't seem to make any adjustments. They stayed with
this five man front that was overwhelmed by the defensive
front of Tampa, and the second half looked exactly like
the first half. Nothing changed. And it just seems with

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all the hoop law And I'm not denying that Andy
Reid isn't an E league coach because he's obviously proven that,
But for that game, it was a really crappy coaching
job by Andy Reid and his staff. It was a
bad plan. And you're absolutely right when you say they
didn't make appropriate adjustments, especially offensively, I mean deep pensively.
You can argue also because the plan wasn't working on

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that side of the field either, in the second half,
especially but um, yeah, to start this game with as
many pieces on the offensive line being reshuffled and playing
in different spots, and then having as many five man
protections the majority of the protections were five man protectors.
I mean, think about that. You have three guys playing

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in different positions. You have one brand new starter being inserted,
and granted you did have two weeks to get them prepared,
but you have the majority of your protections be five
man protections with no chip help, no no butch help
from the tight ends. I'm talking about from the backs
of the tight ends. You don't have tight ends on
the line of scrimmage. You're you're running this wide open concept,

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which by the way, included the majority of the time
deep vertical timing routes where you were going into seven
step dropbacks. It just was confusing, by the way, became
fifteen step drop backs as he retreated, retreated, retreated, Rada
running for his life. Well, because now you're you're waiting
for guys to break open deep in the field. I

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blame the game plan first. I blame his receivers, who,
throughout the course of his time as a starting quarterback
there have done a masterful job getting open and finding space,
whether it be in zone defense or man coverage, and
you know, giving him a surface to throw too. And
then oh, by the way, catching the ball. How many

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times do we see Mahomes miraculously avoid the defense heave
a ball as he was being and dropped it, and
they dropped it. It was just it was It was
a humiliating performance by the Chiefs, who really have have
not turned in a humilitating, humiliating performance since Mahomes took
over as a starting quarterback. Well, I I talked to

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our boss in San Diego, is a lifelong Chiefe fan
on Thursday game a few days to breathe, and the
thing he said, we haven't seen that, not kind of
Chiefe time, Like four years, we haven't seen something like that.
It was just shocking to me. Again, I mean ninety
yards and penalties in the second quarter alone. It was
on the defensive side, offensive side. It was a debacle.

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And hey, don't take any credit away from Tampa. They
deserve that game. Todd Bowle's defensive game plan for the
Chiefs was masterful and they pulled it off. So they
were mixing up the front, playing you know, Vida Veo
over the left tackle, who was who was new as
of two weeks in that position to inside as well. Ye, shock,

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Barrett had a hell of a game. I mean they
were doing great stuff, getting pressure with the games. They
were running with four guys and leaving a bunch of
people in zones in the Kansas City Chiefs never had
an answer, all right. So as we celebrate rich Ornberger's birthday,
and guys, if you haven't done anything for Valentine's Day yet,
you better hurry up, all right, hurry up on the
other side, So Tom Brady's victory in this Super Bowl

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and how Tampa put this team together is sending shock
ways around the NFL, especially with one very prominent quarterback.
We'll tell you who that is coming up next. Call
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all right. So the NFL always gives us plenty to
talk about and a little added fuel to the fire

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courtesy of Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson. See went on
the Dan Patrick Show and he voiced his frustration with
the Seahawks organization. By the way, this is an organization.
They gave him the opportunity of a lifetime as a
third round draft pick to be a Day one starter
in the NFL. He won a Super Bowl, he went

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to two Super Bowls. He made an unfortunate throw to
cost him a second Super Bowl victory. He's never missed
a game, never missed a start, and he has ascended
to the upper achelontic quarterbacks in the NFL. So that's
what Russell Wilson has accomplished. But he takes a look
at the situation with Tom Brady and he says, wait
a second here. So basically he said, get me Gronk,

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talk Ronk out of retirement, give me Leonard for Neat
Jacksonville doesn't want him. I can see something in this guy,
Antonio Brown. No one would touch Antonio Brown, bring him in.
So all of these guys reclamation projects. In fact, this
was this was Russell Wilson talking about a little bit

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of frustration with his situation in Seattle on Dan Patrick.
I think that ultimately for me personally, you know, I
think that I want to be able to be involved
because the end of the day, it's your legacy, it's
your team's legacy, it's you know, it's the guys you
get to go into the huddle with, and the end
of the day that the those guys you gotta trust.
Are you involved in personnel decisions? Have you been involved
in personnel decisions? Not? Not as much? I don't, you know,

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I think that, uh, you know, do you want to
be involved us? Yeah, I think it helps. I think
it helps you to be involved more. Um but I
think that's that dialogue should should happen more often in
my think. Yeah, I definitely believe they've gotten calls for sure.
I didn't think that, you know, anythink any time you're
a player that tries to produce every week and has
done it for you know, consistently, I think people are

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gonna call, for sure, and I think it's part of
the process. You're not available, are you Well, I'm not
sure if I'm available or not. That's a question. But
also I think more anything else is um you know,
I think the end of the day you want to win,
all right, So I look at this this way, Rich,
Obviously I want to get your thoughts as well when
we talk about football. I don't just stioing in on

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football in the National Football League. Ultimately, when a team
wins a Super Bowl, it is an organizational effort. It's
the owner, it's the scouts, it's the general manager, it's
the coaches, it's the players. It's a group effort and
it all comes together magically for one team. Each year,

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one team gets to the finish line and hoist the trophy.
So when I hear Russell Wilson, it's one thing to
let's say Tom Brady reached out to an old buddy
like Rock or you know, Antonio Brown or someone like this.
But where it gets a little dicey to me is
if you suddenly give a quarterback that kind of power

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in in terms of the draft and everything else, Because
I mean, I I don't you know, a quarterback. I'm
sure understands who's supposed to block who, But I'm not
so sure that a quarterback has time to scout interior
offensive wman to see whether or not they have the
right mindset, the right skill set to play at a

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high level in the National Football League. If you really
want to go down that path, I would discourage that.
This is um to me, this is this is one
of those weird times in the NFL that is going
to give the NFL a lot more attention and importance
during the off season because there's so much trade speculation

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with huge names. You know, Deshaun Watson, Russell Wilson, is
Aaron Rodgers going to force his way out of Green Bay.
What's happening with Derek Carr and the Raiders? Are they
shopping a trade if they can find a suiting partner.
What's happening with the Dolphins? They seem ready their quarterback,
doesn't you know? So with with this level of fluidity

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heading into this offseason, it feels like a game of chicken.
Who's gonna blink first? You know it's gonna be the
Texans organization. We already saw a huge trade with Matt
Stafford and the Rams and Jared Goff goes to Detroit.
But um, what I think it is, honestly, is much
ado about nothing because I think at the to the

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day quarterbacks don't want tend up receiving the level of
criticism that's ay. Lebron James does so. Lebron James, he's
a general manager in the NBA, there's no question about it.
He assembled the super team in Miami, which netted his
first championship. I think he's sort of helped massage some
of the stars back to Cleveland on his way back

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to Cleveland, that got him another championship, So he had
three by the time he departed Cleveland on his way
to Los Angeles, and we know exactly what happened Clutch Sports,
which is an agency that's ran by his best friend,
representing Anthony Davis. He forced his way out of New
Orleans to l A. He wins his fourth championship. So

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it's worked for him, but he's also been criticized for
the years where it hasn't and it's it's a lot
easier because there's only five guys on the court at
the same time. Why in the NFL, unless you're Tom Brady,
where you're at the end of your career, you've already
cemented your legacy. Would you ever want to onboard the
responsibility of having to answer questions about personnel. It's hard enough.

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It's hard enough to just be a quarterback and think
about how many coaches have tried to do both. We
had the Bill O'Brien debacle obviously with the Houston Texas.
You know, he's doing a good job as a coach,
but he wants that added responsibility. Very few I mean,
Belichick has done it, certainly, but there are very few
coaches who want that added responsibly being a general manager

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in charge of personnel on top of their coaching duties.
And more often than not, it's as let me tell
you Gruden, who has a unprecedentedly long contract ten years,
hundred million dollars, very public affair. You know, Mark Davis
wanted him. He wasn't going to be convinced of it otherwise,
and Gruden wanted complete control, so he gave him a

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contract that he gave him complete control. And he's still
even Gruden, who's got know, a huge amount of respect
for his own abilities, still went out and found one
of the more famous personnel, uh well, NFL network star, Yeah,
Mike Mack. You have a guy who who you know,
is well known, uh and obviously has a respected opinion.

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At the end of the day, Gruden is going to
you know, sign off on every single decision. Mayok makes
but at least he even has a scapegoat. There are
so few coaches who are coaches who are even willing
to put their name on every single decision. Think about that. So,
as a quarterback, unless you're Tom Brady, why would you
want to do this to yourself? Something that Belichick used

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to say, and I believe in this and and this
is sort of against everybody diverging from their lanes and
doing whatever it is they want to do. It was
really a stay in your lane kind of thing that
he used to say. He was like, look, offensive lineman
should block, receiver should catch, running back should run, quarterbacks
should throw. Now he than bastardized as his own rules

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because he'll allow Julian Edelman to throw double pass and
and there are occasions will have a running back or
receive on different receiver, do things like that. But for
the most part, you do the job that you're here
to do. And while he wears a bunch of hats
in that in that organization, and it has worked for
a lot of years, it is very difficult to even

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do one thing. Well, why would you try to on
board more tasks? All right? Well, quarterbacks have always in
the news in the NFL. But because of Tom Brady again,
it seems like it's gone up another notch. We'll tell
you all about it coming up. At first, we've got
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Happy Valentine's Day. You know it's funny, guys, you're talking
about all these players that are taking this from Tom
Brady after the Super Bowl. Maybe they should pay attention
to the Buccaneers defense that every guy just did his
job and that's why they were able to win. They dominated.

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We haven't seen the chief shutdown. They didn't score touchdown,
but it's because that would be possible, but it's because
no one tried to be a star, and we all
just did their job and they did it well. Now,
Todd Bowles, who has had an opportunity to be a
head coach in the NFL, has stock went up considerably
after that defensive performance by Tampa. What's happening out there route. Well,
we have an NBA game already going on right now,

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twenty to fifteen to play in the first quarter at
Washington with a twenty lead over the Boston Celtics. Already
twelve points in this game for Bradley Beal, NBA's leading score,
having no problem lighting it up more. It's Wagner getting
the start. He has six points as well for Washington.
They have the two point lead in college basketball to

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play in the first half and number twenty one Wisconsin
in eighteen fourteen lead over number three Michigan. And yeah,
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say a whole lot of something your auto insurance. So
quarterback talk always happens immediately following the Super Bowl. We
want one of those guys. We want Tom Brady, the
one nine pick in the two thousand draft, six round
pick who's now a seven time Super Bowl champion. Well,
i'd be great. There's only one Tom Brady. Um. I

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saw some projections from the draft and now at least
one prominent draft insider is predicting that for the first
time in NFL history, the top four picks in the
draft will be quarterbacks. So we're talking about Trevor Lawrence,
We're talking about Zach Wilson, We're talking about Trey Lance.

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We're talking about Justin Fields. By the way, if you
don't know the name of Trey Lance, this shows you
how you can elevate a guy. Trey Lance place for
North Dakota State, which has dominated the FCS for years
and years and years. Carson Wentz went to North Dakota State.
He has essentially one year on his resume. Remember there
was no FCS season this past year. There was zero games.

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He did play one game because they did have one
matchup against an FBS opponent. So really it's based on
what he did in twenty nineteen and the stats were ridiculous.
He through twenty eight touchdown passes zero interceptions, yea bad
for the season. He did throw a single interception. He
also ran for over eleven hundred yards. Talented kids, so

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he very talented kid. Trade Lance. We've seen Justin Fields,
Zack Wilson at b y U. All of a sudden
it seems to be this prototype. A lot of people
think that you know that he's got to him live
twice now and I mean, is he all that he's got? Well,
he's got better athleticism than he gets credit for because
he's got a big body such a good arm. Yeah,
like just really, that's what really gets talent invader evaluators excited.

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And I've been, you know, interviewing more and more of
these type of people, analyst draft analysts. As we get
closer and closer to the combine, Well, there's no combine,
but there's gonna be smaller combine held that training facilities
and things like that in pro days. But as we
near the draft, more and more people are waking up
to the film Zach Wilson. Even though his stats don't

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compare as well to a Lawrence or to a Fields,
when you see where the ball goes and with the
type of zip it has on it, You're like, oh wow,
Like if he had better receivers, he probably would have
had an even better career because he puts that that
sucker on the money, big, big boy NFL throws. We're
talking opposite hash Uh throwing a deep out to the

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far sideline and he's putting that thing on a frozen rope. Well,
we've been down this path before where quarterbacks suddenly rise
the charts at the last second and quarterbacks go very
high in the draft. That's nothing new. The bigger question
to me right now is when you look at a
Carson Wentz being shopped around, or suddenly they're floating it

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out there that hey, maybe the Raiders would trade away
Derek Carr and where hearing these like two number ones.
Let's let's let's start with Carson Wentz. Okay, so we
got this wild rumor and then realize this, if you're
if you're shopping a quarterback around, if it's now common
knowledge that you're trying to get rid of a quarterback,

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the only way to get max value is to have
at least two teams competing for them. That's how you
get value, one team competing against another team at least.
So the the obvious choice for Wins was the Indianapolis Colts.
You have the retirement of Philip Rivers. Yeah, Frank Wright,
the head coach of the Colts, used to be the
offensive coordinator with the Eagles when when sort of ascended

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to an m v P status briefly in his second year.
So that makes sense. But in order to get anything
out of the Colts, you've got to create something else.
And all of a sudden, we're hearing about the Bears,
and I'm like the Bears. Okay, let's let's think about
the Bears right now. So they stumbled into the playoffs
at eight and eight. They're not much of a team. Uh.

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In fact, they were the first team, I believe in
modern times, the third team ever in the Super Bowl
era to have a six game losing streak at some
point and actually make the playoffs. Remember, they brought in
Nick Foles to create a competition for Trabisky, traded for him,
and they bring in Fols after dra Risk actually started
a year three and oh and Folds did not look

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like the guy that won a Super Bowl, so they
went back to Trabisky at the end of the year.
Would it make any sense considering Naggie would probably be
considered on the endangered species list as a head coach
based on what the Bears do, that they would bring
in Carson Wentz and all that's right, give up like
two number ones to bring None of that even makes
any sense. Okay, So where did that story come from? Well,

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a lot of these stories come from. And understand how
this works. Okay, these stories if you're if you're someone
covering a team, it's a given take. In other words,
I'm looking for inside info. I I want the inside
word and the team will say, you know what, maybe
we could work with you. All right, We'll we'll give
you access to some information, but you gotta help us

(29:06):
as well. Well how do I help you? Well, we
need you to sort of leak out you know there's
interest from well what if there's no intes it doesn't matter.
You want something from us, you gotta give something to return.
That's how this works. Okay, So all of a sudden,
you got this Bears deal and they were like, maybe
they're gonna throw folds on the deal to go back

(29:27):
to the Eagles. None of this is happening. So when
I look at the wind situation right now, they'll be
lucky to get a third round or fourth round pick
from Indianapolis if indeed they do trade him. So the
Bears traded for Nick Foles, who at the time was
a backup quarterback uh and he had been injured. If
you remember that season with the Jacksonville Jaguars, he injured

(29:49):
his classical early in the season. This is following the
Super Bowl MVP season he or two seasons following. Remember
when Jacksonville replaced with Minshew. Minshew became like a local
hero and they were done with Nick Filips, the mustache everything,
and so he sat on the bench. But the last
time he got any real starting time, this guy was

(30:10):
a Super Bowl m v P. And he was only
traded let's see Jaguars in exchanged for a compensatory fourth
round draft pick. Yeah, okay, just a Super Bowl m
v P. And I realized that he was considered a
back up in this league up until that point, and
he was considered a back up in this league after
that point. But Carson Wentz is coming off arguably one

(30:33):
of the worst seasons we've ever seen a twelve win
quarterback ever. Half. Yeah, he was, by all measurements, the
worst quarterback in the NFL this past season. It was
it was a really really tough watch. And and I
and look, I was a Carson Wentz, I mean still
a fan of his ability. I think there there, there's possible,

(30:57):
or it's it's possible that it will return to form.
But I've also never seen a reverse trajectory the way
we have with Carson Wentz. I mean, typically if you
put his stats in reverse, like if you if you
look at the most recent output and then spin it
backwards towards his rookie year, like that would make more

(31:20):
sense than what we're seeing. He has completely regressed, and
I don't really get it. I don't know what's wrong
with him or the Eagles. I mean, I know he's
not getting a lot of help from the offensive line.
These receivers aren't all that great either, and they haven't
been for the past two years, both of those groups.
But we're making a lot of excuses for a guy
who looked to be like one of those quarterbacks who

(31:41):
could hide a lot of the flaws of an offense.
So I don't think, getting back to your original point,
there is any way anyway that the Eagles are going
to be able to move him for a first rounder.
My guess is if they move them, it's going to
be for a seventh rounder at most. Well, I mean again,
you're having to take on his track at least for
that year. I mean at most. That's my point. I

(32:03):
almost feel like you would have to pay a team
in addition to giving them wins like Jared Goff likes
and a third to get rid of golf. That's exactly right. Now.
Stafford comes over and he's an upgrade. There's no question
about it. Is Stafford worth the first round draft pick.
You could argue, okay, maybe a team really desperate like

(32:26):
the Rams clearly are, but they also gave them, as
you just mentioned, an additional number one or an additional
first rounder and some more. I think the third rounder
was for Stafford. I think the two number one to
get rid of. So I mean, again, just so, this
is the idea. Though, you're hoping there's a team out there,
because quarterbacks are always such a hot commodity, and maybe

(32:49):
someone out there sees something in in your quarterback that
you're trying to get rid of. It you don't see
or there really isn't there. That's that's what the Eagles
are banking on. So you know, again, Indianapolis is sitting there.
I'm sure Frank Reich would love an opportunity to work
with Carson Wentz as long as you don't have to
get about anything to get him. I honestly don't even

(33:11):
know if that's necessarily true. Maybe it's true. I would
assume he would like that option better than starting Jacoby Bursett. Right, Well,
if you don't have to give up much and just
on a flyer, you know, for one year, Hey, let's
take a look. Yeah, I mean if the tires. It
doesn't work, then he's gone. Maybe I I it's been
such a bad couple of seasons for Wins. I. I

(33:34):
don't know if you can move him. Well, I don't
know if anybody wants to take the risk of that salary.
It's interesting also because Jim Ursay, the owner of the Colts,
has maintained we we got a super Bowl ready team.
He was very complimentary of the season Philip Rivers have
for the team that that replacing Rivers with Carson wentz
Uh is a major step down. All right, Once again,

(33:57):
you know me in the Hall of Fame. You know,
I look at you as a Hall of Famer. On
your birthday absolutely, By the way, I share my birthday
with another Hall of Famer, and that's Jim Kelly. Jim Kelly.
Jim Kelly is Happy birthday to the Great Jim Kelly.
The couple Hall of famers celebrating our birthday. But I
want to talk about the passing of an NFL coaching
legend and a double standard for the Pro Football Hall

(34:20):
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(34:43):
I had no idea that Sam was such a Brian
Adams fan. Are you like he's your all time favorite?
Does it for you, Steve? He's like a monarch in
Canada and Australia. Here he's big, big there Iowa. Brian
Adams is a classic like Hasselhoff in Germany. You go
night to himself. Oh my well, it is rich Ornberger's

(35:04):
birthday today and once again a reminder we're alive from
the Farmers Insurance. Fox Sports Radio Studios called Farmers today
for a quote. All right, I want to talk a
little hall of fame, which I know you have total
disdain floor, but stay with me on this, okay for
a second area, because I want to talk about how
you you judge a place in history. Uh. The NFL
world lost Marty Schottenheimer this past week, and it was

(35:26):
a very sad story because Morety had struggled for years
with Alzheimer's um. He has one of just seven coaches
in the history of the NFL to one at least
two hundred regular season games seven seven total in the
history of the NFL. Two current Belichick and Andy Reid
on that list. And you got Hollis, he got Shula,
he got Lambo. I mean, he got legendary names. And

(35:48):
Schottenheimer is in that company. The problem from Altady is
he was five and thirteen in the postseason and he
never made it to a Super Bowl. And in this week,
the Marty passed away Alvin Johnson, who played nine years
for the Detroit Lions, never won a single playoff game,

(36:09):
much less get to the Super Bowl, never won a
playoff game, was put into the Hall of Fame on
the first ballot. Now I ask you this, rich, because
Marty's not even under consideration. I was happy I would
just see my man, Tom Flores finally get into the
Hall of Fame. He won two Super Bowls. We know
San Diego Charger band fans have been frustrated because Don

(36:32):
Coryle is not in the Hall of Fame because he,
like Marty, never got to a Super Bowl. But can
you imagine a quarterback. Let's say, no matter what kind
of numbers they put up over our nine year career,
being a first ballot Hall of Famer without winning a
single playoff game? Would that be possible? Why do you
believe that there is one set of rules for quarterbacks

(36:54):
and coaches and an entirely separate rule as far as
the Hall of Fame Committee is concerned for everybody else. Well,
I understand it to a certain extent for coaches. Now
I don't agree with it, but it's a little bit
more understandable in the abstract, the idea that wins and
losses are really ultimately the only criteria that matters. If

(37:16):
you're a head coach of an NFL team, you know,
how often did you win, how often did you win
in the postseason. You are the administrator of this whole team,
from what happens on the field to the personnelity you start,
and all those decisions come through your office. So ws
and els, right, that's that's our criteria, that's our rubric,
and that's where it stops for me. I don't think

(37:38):
anybody else should really wear the winds and the losses
quite as severely as a head coach does. And even then,
like you said, certain coaches like Marty Schottenheimer, they ride
the line. Is it really acceptable to only look at
the wins and losses, and subjectivity gets involved. And that's
the reason why I have this detest four Hall of
Fames in general, because what are they worth? Absolutely nothing

(38:01):
to me because it's your opinion versus mine. You know,
I can evaluate greatness on my own. I don't need
the criteria of some sportswriter who may have a vendetta
against the guy who I consider to be talented or
otherwise great. I don't care what you think of him.
Maybe I think differently. So that that being said, I

(38:23):
don't think any player should ever wear WS and ELSA
severely as head coaching, and I also think there's some
gray area when it comes to coaches. Well again, his
last team, the O six Chargers, were the best team
in the NFL A here no question. They were fourteen
and two, They had the league m v P. They
were dominant on both sides of the football, and a
fluke play by Marla McCree who had made an interception

(38:44):
to seemingly and the game gets and he and they
lose that game and Marty gets fired and he never
got another job. I just it is frustrating to me.
And by the way, when we talk about how it matters.
I love the fact that David Baker, the big six
pound giant Shrek as I like to call him, was
banging on the door of Tom Flores at his house.
He went, he went, did the and and and coach Flores.

(39:08):
His wife answered the door. It was funny too, because
she went back and basically said, you know, hey, there's
somebody at the door. She didn't tip it, but he
said something upon finally hearing the official word and that
he said, my life is complete. He also then said
I'm not ready to check out right now, by the way,

(39:30):
but it but it does matter to these people that
dedicate their lives to in this case, the National Football League,
and to get that kind of recognition, especially later in
life when you're removed from the game and it's it's
in your reviewing, it does matter to these people. For
most people, it feels very good to be recognized by
their peers by writer. It does. I mean, I look,

(39:53):
I'm not saying I'm above that people who I care
about when they recognize me or they admire me, or
saying nice things about me and matters to me. I
don't know how much I care about writers and stuff.
Like that. Though, Yeah, it's it's a tough thing, but anyway,
very frustrating. All I A on the other side, a
decision made by an NBA owner with ramifications and all
of sports on Rich's birthday nonetheless a happy Valencedine's Day.

(40:17):
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all right. So post Super Bowl, we got a million
things to catch up on, and there were a lot
of little stories that emerged this week in the sports world,
and one that I had a chuckle about was a
situation with the Dallas Mavericks and the national anthem. Now,
what made this story so bizarre is what happened before
and after the story he broke. The story broke when

(41:02):
somebody asked, why are the Mavericks not playing the national anthem?
I mean, we hadn't heard anything about this, so we're like, Wow,
they decided to stop playing the national anthem, and Mark Cuban,
the owner of the Mavericks, came out and said, well, yeah,
we're not playing the national anthem, and and to be honestly,
I don't know if we're ever going to bring it back.

(41:23):
You know, I've changed my mind. I understand, you know,
the Black Lives Matter and a lot of things like this.
Well was it turned out they haven't been playing the
national anthem all year, not in the preseason, right there,
and no one took notice of it. And then of
course immediately it became a hot subject like you know, wow,
Mark Cuban, are you sure you want to go down

(41:44):
this path? And before this story even had a chance
to breathe, the NBA jumped in said, no, you will
be playing the national anthem. So ironically nobody had noticed
they weren't playing the national anthem. Guess who's now playing
the national anthem? The this Mavericks. So I want to
take this just a step further though. You know, for

(42:05):
Mark Cuban, you're you're in a in an interesting situation
with the Dallas Mavericks because you know, he's won a championship.
But I'm sure he would like to win more. And
it's interesting because his two most prominent players in his
team's history or white. When you think about Dirk Navitsky
and now look at Dantage and so maybe there's I mean,

(42:29):
these are superstar players. Obviously we're not talking about any
preferential treatment because they are superstar players. They just happen
to be white. Um, But I mean, you're you're always
trying to attract players, and maybe Mark human is thinking, hey,
I want to make Clara. Hey, I'm I'm on. I'm
a hundred percent in and whatever his motivation was for this,
he did a major backstep when the NBA insisted on

(42:52):
the anthem. But the whole anthem situation, Rich, I don't
know this when you first came into the league and
oh nine, because I was talking to Jeff Schwartz about
this because I think he came in the league about
the same time you did. I just don't think it
was mandatory yet had the NFL made their deal with
the National Guard. Because of people don't understand the history
of this. The idea of having to be out there

(43:14):
for the national anthem was not mandatory by any stretch
of the imagination. We were I mean back in two.
That was Belichick maybe because when the NFL made the
deal with the National Guard, that was an agreement with
the National Guard as part of it, because the National
Guard was paying huge money to the NFL that they
wanted to promote the national anthem and have players on
the field. Every national anthem that was played during my career,

(43:38):
both teams were on the field for everybody lined up
on the sideline, and for the most part, guys stood.
I'm sure there were times where guys are getting an
ankle tape. I guarantee you, five years before you were
in the league, it was not that at all. I
I don't even really mean it was team to team.
Let me tell you something about the national anthem. I
liked it. I I used it as a moment of
self reflection. I would sit there with eyes closed. I

(44:00):
don't think I was like overwhelmingly patriotic about it, but
I would just run through lists of people who I
thought I deserved the quiet thank you to my high
school coaches, my parents, my my brothers, and yeah, it
just sort of got woven into it. Bit's something I
always did. What's weird about it is if all of

(44:21):
a sudden, they while I was playing, they were like, well,
we're not gonna do that anymore. I wouldn't I wouldn't
need I don't even think I would have asked why.
I think I just would be like, okay, I mean,
it's just it's it's just let's put it this way.
It's sort of like certain things are told to us,
like these are the things you do. Like you you
have your dessert after dinner, but then all of a
sudden somebody says, well, yeah, you can eat your dessert. Now,

(44:44):
you'll just have your dinner after you're done eating your dessert.
And when you think about it, you're like, yeah, okay,
yeah that makes sense, Like what what difference does it
really make? What order those two things going? As long
as you finish both me it's so my my point
in in stating this is fun Mentally, it really didn't
affect my game, It really didn't affect my pregame experience,

(45:05):
and I think for others it was different. I think
maybe if you had a uh friend or a family member,
or a father or an uncle or somebody cared about
serving the military, maybe it takes on a different level
of importance for you personally. But I think it's person
of person. I think Mark Cubans, one of those people,
was just like, yeah, I don't really know what what
what the importance here is or whatever my attitude. I

(45:30):
don't mean to cut you off, but like, I don't
even think it's it's necessary to speculate if he has
some ulterior motive, like to be more instep with certain ideologies.
And again it it might be unfair for me to
say that because I mean again, but he did an
a bad phase and he admitted that he changed his
attitude about the anthem for whatever reason it was. But

(45:51):
here here's the whole thing again. The idea of playing
the national anthem as sporting advanced. It began shortly after
World War One, uh, and then after World War Two
it became prominent in all sports. And it was a
very patriotic time obviously post World War Two. After nine
eleven Rich on our show, and of course, being based
in San Diego, which is a military town, we played

(46:15):
at the end of every single show, either Whitney Houston's
version Ray Charles America, the Beautiful whatever. We played a
patriotic song in full to close out every single show
for months after nine eleven because it was such a
wave of patriotism in our country, and being in a

(46:37):
largely military town, it played well and we we did
this for months at the end of every single show.
So my attitude about the well and again exactly why don't.
But I'll tell you why because here, here's my here's
my feeling about the national st patriotic town. There's still

(46:59):
a lot of people have solutely, but again it has
a whole different meaning right now. Again this I can
only speak for myself when it comes to the national
anthem because I am a big believer in freedom of expression,
freedom of thought. I mean, to me, that is absolutely
number one in this country because without it, we're not
the country that I think we are. But at the

(47:19):
same time, my feeling about the national anthem is this.
I am there like anyone else we do in the
press box whatever, on my sporting event. I'm standing at attention,
I might be singing a little bit, I have my
hand over my heart. That's me personally, um. But my
feeling about it is if it is causing such friction
amongst certain people personally, as my personal feeling, I'd rather

(47:43):
just not have the anthem. I mean, I would rather
not have the anthem than to see people have an
adverse reaction to the national anthem. That's that's just my
personal feeling. And a lot of people say, well, that's ridiculous,
you should play the anthem, and then of people want
to do whatever they wanted. That's fine, Okay, that's that's
pretty much what's been happening. But just personally for me

(48:07):
having been around so to speak, especially for those that
were broadcasting in the aftermath at nine eleven, when it
really really resonated with everybody, it was universal, without a
hint of any kind of protest um. You know, it's
just not that way anymore. Well, no, no, I think look,

(48:29):
certain thought processes and ideologies have come to light where
certain people have expressed feelings about not just the the
anthem that's that's a song, but about the way things
are done. And they've in the same way, some people
have attached patriotism and love of country and the what

(48:50):
what the anthem is emblematic for them to a song.
There are some people who are are are attaching you know,
scrutiny and uh and and and differences and privileges to
the anthem where others don't see it so you're absolutely right.
The anthem itself, even though it's just a song, a

(49:11):
two minute long song, has become divisive and it's become
something that separated us in some weird way. And and
you know, you can blame whoever you want to, whether
you want to blame people for being too harsh in
their criticisms of Colin Kaepernick because he decided to kneel
where others stood, or if you want to blame those

(49:32):
who attack Colin Kaepernick for his decisions, or wherever you
believe the division began over the anthem, if it's separate
from that event altogether. But for whatever reason, you're absolutely right.
It's now become this, this this piece of Americana that
separates more than it combines. Right, It defines people, I
mean we everything is about. We are now in a

(49:55):
society where everyone has to be defined, you know, based
on whatever side you are, and we it defines you.
And this is something that has changed dramatically. Like I said,
me personally fun in sports, you were divined as a
Dodger fan or a Giant fan, or a Likeer fan
or a Celtic fan. And that's all good and fun,
but it's it's gone next level. And that's kind of

(50:17):
my point, and I think I agree more with what
your your thought process is. I I mean, like for
me personally, I don't have a need to hear any
particular song before a game. I mean, just imagine if
it wasn't the national anthem, if every time before the song,
you know, or before the game was played, they played
I want to dance with somebody, you know. I mean,

(50:38):
even if we were a tradition, you would you would think, like,
this is kind of odd that we do this. Is
that I mean, it's just it's it's arbitrary. It's just
a way to start something. We don't do it at movies.
We don't do it before attending you know, an amusement park,
you know, the restaurant, go out to dinner, nobody stands
and recites the pledge of allegiance, or at the national anthem.
It's just and and initially, I'm pretty be sure you'd

(51:01):
have to look this up. I mean, I'm not a historian.
I'm just some idiot talking on sports talk radio. But
I'm pretty sure it was used as a recruitment and
marketing tool back when it was first used in a
in a pregame environment in the first place. Again, when
everybody loved it, I mean it was like you'll go
back to the Super Bowl, you know where we're at

(51:22):
war at the time, and Whitney Houston, and I mean,
I mean that everybody everybody watching. I mean, the emotions
were overwhelmed. Still moves me to tears if I'm in
the right mindset and I play it because look, I mean,
but again, if they have them, represents something different for
everybody does. And in those days it represented the same

(51:45):
thing to everybody. That was the point, even in a
brief point, and then with nine eleven everything else, there
been time where we do have that amazing unity as
a country. I love to see that happen again sometime,
But that's the way out of my jury diction, all right.
On the other side, I want to get into what's
happening in the NBA right now, and there is a

(52:09):
wave of support suddenly brewing for Steph Curry to be
the most valuable player in the n b A. Personally,
I'm gonna tell you why, No disrespect to Steph Curry,
but that is just so wrong. We'll explain coming up next.
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Ralph knows my affinity for Night Ranger, no question. This
is MTV early days. This is one of the greatest
videos ever of that era. I know, I know we're

(52:55):
dating ourselves here, but we're reflecting on well also the
days in the nineties or eighties. Excuse me, the eighties, well,
the eighties was all when they first introduced, it was
just video after video after video. I want my MTV
and you knew every single video. Now it's just teen
mom for hours. I haven't watched that in years and years.

(53:16):
And you know me, Steve, I loved playing a variety
of stuff. You would have loved. You would have loved
the eighties when the introduction of MTV, when it first started,
because that's all it was novel and these videos, you know,
like MTV for a long time, that was all they had.
That was all they had. You know, we were there
was in v H one. You see a lot of
videos now it never changes and you should have been

(53:37):
on Cribs. By the way, if I was going to
share a very quick story here about MTV show, why
not In the early nineties, when I started working in
my radio show six nineties first All Sports Radio station,
I got a phone call from a friend of mine
and she was working for MTV and she called me

(54:00):
because they were trying to expand their programming beyond just videos,
and she said, we're tinkering with the idea of a
sports show. Oh wow, and I don't know where to
go with this. And she was a friend of mine,
and she goes, obviously, you're a sports guy. So I
gave him all these ideas with the idea of maybe
they would hire me. You know, you're looking for extra

(54:23):
work on this on MTV, which was a consultant well
even to be on air you know those early nineties
and everything else j Steve Harmon the VJ. And so
what happened was is they used a lot of my
ideas and they hired a guy that basically was working
there as sort of a periphery guy. He wasn't an

(54:46):
on air guy, but he had the look and he
had the athleticism, and that was Dan Cortez. MTV Sports
the original MTV Sports hosted by Dan Cortez, essentially was
every idea I gave them to do the show, and
I give nothing and I never heard from her again.

(55:06):
But also this reminds me of the time Steve invented
almond milk. Yes, I did not invent he really. I mean,
who knew to milk and almond They don't have nipples,
but Steve figured it out. And I also invented best
damn sports show period. Also, I can show you my
audition tape for a show that I had with celebrities
talking about sports that was stolen from me back in

(55:31):
the day. I remember when you invented the bifold wallet.
That was a crazy one. Ralph Ralph says he vouches
for you on that he does. He knows exactly that
Tom Arnold was, Harmono was as higher Chris Rose was
on that original show. I don't know if Sally was
on the beginning of that show. But I actually did
a show for them in the exact studios that they

(55:51):
actually had that show. I had Dennis Miller come on
to do it. It was an audition show. My deal
was I wanted to co produce the show. They liked
the show, but they're like, nah, you know, we don't
want to co produce it, so we'll pass. And then
literally six months later and they stole the show. We're
gonna call you a pilot heartman. Pilot heartman. That's okay,
I have a lot of those. By the way, back

(56:12):
in the day, once again, we're live from the Farmers Insurance.
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So Steph Curry has been red hot as of late,
and he's starting to put up some big numbers like
we saw back in his glory days with the Golden
State Warriors. Let me emphasize that, back in his glory

(56:34):
days with the Golden State Warriors when he won back
to back m v ps and still is the only
unanimous selection ever for the Most Valuable Player. Remember those
of the days when the Golden State Warriors would win
I don't know seventy three games, so were pretty good
for a run. Yeah. So now all of a sudden,
people are getting enamored with Steph Curry. Of course they
don't have Clay Thompson and it's not a very good team.

(56:57):
And Steph's started carrying the weight. And look, he's always
going to go down as one of the greatest shooters
in the history of this league, no question, and in
a real game changer for this league. But to mention
him an m v P talk when his team is
sitting at fourteen and thirteen, please, it's uh, okay, before
I get to where I'm going with this, what do

(57:18):
you have? Here's Steph Curry? What's going on here? All right?
So this is Steph Curry reacting to all this buzz
about him being an m VP candidate. The game speaks
for itself, and you know fifte sixteen fourteen fifte in
those two years is the exact same kind of conversation. Obviously,
that's an amazing, uh, you know, accomplishment and being in

(57:42):
that conversation with all that we've been through on these
last two or three years, that that means something. Those
narratives make themselves as you go throughout the season, and
my job is obviously to be at the level that
I expect to be and usually that means, uh, you're
at the top of the end of the season. Okay,

(58:02):
With all due respect to Steph Curry's gonna be a
first ballot Hall of Famer deserve release. So when we
talk about m v P of the n b A,
the conversation starts and ends with one guy, Lebron James,
who has not won an m v P award in
eight seasons, which is a mockery and if anything, his

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value this year to the Lakers, who, by the way,
you're sitting with the second best record in the league,
when Anthony Davison and out with injuries, no one else
playing consistent basketball. You can make an argument in his
eighteenth season he's never been more valuable than he is
right now to the Lakers to to condemn one league's
MVP and to support a different one, or to condemn

(58:45):
uh an m v P vote but not a Hall
of Fame vote. To me is it's just it's it's ridiculous.
And you're one of these guys who does this, like, yeah,
I you. You. You prop up certain awards given to
certain players and use them as redence positive that they
are among the more talented. And sometimes you use the

(59:06):
same awards and say, well, it's meaningless if Lebron doesn't
win it every because he's the most valuable player. I'm
not disagreeing with you, I actually do agree with you.
But my point is, why is this any different than
the debate we have this genus against James Hall of
fame because I'm telling you why when we talk about

(59:26):
the m v P and you have a player who's
been the most valuable player in this league for a
decade and a half, essentially Lebron James, and he and
everyone is coming up for another name of why this
guy instead of I mean, what is it that that
means of the why do you think these writers who
determined again what qualifications do they have? None? But my

(59:50):
point is why do you think they have this disdain
for recognizing giving out an award that is the most
Valuable Player award? It's marketing, It has nothing Steph Cured,
it has nothing his marketing campaign six years ago. It
has nothing to do with the player. Well, obviously it
has something to do with Lebron James. Actually not voting

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for Lebron just something to do with the player because
it needs to be a player of of of noted value.
But why would you not vote for Lebron James? Well,
because people will get bored of Lebron James. Hasn't won
the award in eight years, people will get bored of
hearing the same name over and over again. And you
just said, and I agree with you, Steve, that he
could win it every year, But I'm telling you he

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hasn't won any over the last seven years. This this
award could go to Lebron James and and there would
be a certain faction. People would throw their hands in
there and be like, oh, of course, it's just a
popularity contest. Whoever is the flavor of the year. It
was James Harden because of all the the three pointers.

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It was two years, it was honest, it was what's
his name, uh russell Us because of the triple double year.
You know, it's just the flavor of the year. It's
a popularity contest, and they're doing it as a marketing tool.
I try. I don't know why you went to want
to market your best player, which is James. I don't
know either. I don't understand why they have to switch

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it up every year, but they do. They never switch
it his way, That's the whole point. But point out
of five years when he deserved it. They these writers,
they convinced themselves, they get themselves in this this flurry
of interest over certain players, and it happens annually. It's
just you and you can predict it. You know, it's

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like telegraphing a punch. You know where it's gonna land.
This year, it's most likely going to be Steph Curry
if he keeps playing to the level. A couple of
nights ago, you should have given it to Kobe Bryant
when he was on an eight seed team and lead
the league in scoring, scoring any one points in the game.
He finished third or fourth in the voting that year.
A couple of nights ago, Steph Curry seventeenth career night
with ten three pointers made at a forty point game. People, look,

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you do our team that's fourteen and thirteen and barely
in the playoffs, and and it doesn't it doesn't matter
to enough, apparently, not exactly. This is my problem with
All Star voting. It's my problem with Pro Bowl voting.
It's my problem with any Hall of Fame. They're dude,
they're all marketing tools. They're just trying to promote certain people.

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That's it, all right, It just it just blows me away,
blows me away. I mean, Lebron James is the most
valuable player in this league period. Excellent some point. All right,
I'm gonna actually get into a little baseball on the
other side, do you know spring training starting this week? Yeah?
How is this gonna navigate for the baseball season? But
first let's find out what's training? Right now, we welcome

(01:02:45):
back Mr Ralph Irvan. So yes, best damn sports show.
You remember that. I remember the photo shoots and you're
using my jerseys? Yeah? Yeah, we were all set with
that show. But I told him, I said, I don't
want to just host the show. I want to be
able to co produce. And like, oh, we don't do that.

(01:03:06):
Can I quickly add something on? Guys, do you remember
if they're still MTV two, do you ever watch headbangers
Ball back in the day show where stuff like that
Bevis and butt Head Ran and Stimpy were also on empty.
By the way, Iron Maiden is finally a finalist for
the Rock on the Hall of Fame, but Judas Priest
is not, and I'm very upset about this is my
problem with Hall of Fame st I know, I can't

(01:03:28):
understand arbitrary, very arbitrary. Where's head Banger's Ball back for
the record? Steve you didn't get the proper recognition, maybe
because you didn't offer me the job that you said
you were going to steve that what happened We never
had a show. Unfortunately. Also invented the glove box. By
the way, it was like I need to play from

(01:03:49):
sunglasses and my gloves. It was more of a compartment,
is it, toner gloves? I'll have to dust off that
old tape. Let's dive into the NBA where they are
into the third quarter in our nation's capital in Washington,
has opened up a sixty eight fifty three lead over
the box of the Celtics seven forty two play in
the third quarter. Bradley Beal already with twenty seven points

(01:04:12):
in this contest. Ruey Hachimura has eleven, only eight points
for Russell Westbrook, but that goes with eight rebounds and
nine assists, so doing his part to facilitate Bradley Beal
winning the NBA scoring title. In college basketball, Number twenty
one Wisconsin lead over number three Michigan as the Wolverines

(01:04:34):
are coming back eleven sixteen to play in the second
half of that contest. A T and T pebble beach
pro am, there's a tie at the top. Daniel Burger
and Jordan's speed sitting at fourteen under par, one shot
ahead of Russell Knox, two shots ahead of Patrick Cantley
and Nate Lashly, and they're about to get started. Yep,
right now at the day Tona to keep you abreast

(01:04:58):
of all that action. But we'll send it right back
now to Steve Hartman and Rich orn Berger. All right,
thank you very much. Ralph once he hand live from
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I I don't think again. We have a full appreciation
of what the NFL did for the world of sports.

(01:05:21):
Up until the start of the NFL season, as we
were trying to put piece together a sports scene, which
as you and I were sitting here, Rich, you know,
last summer appeared the possibility we'd have no sports. I mean,
when we were in May June, there was still a
question about baseball, whether we we get the NBA back NHL,
would there be any football season, no college sports. I mean,

(01:05:44):
all of that was on the table in May and June,
and then you know, we pieced together a bubble situation
for the NBA and NHL. Major League Baseball did an
abbreviated two months season. I love the credit you just
gave us. We we piece the other that bubble from
the n and I'll tell you it was difficult. We
had negotiations with Mickey Mouse, uh Donald Duck, which was

(01:06:08):
uncomfortably where's pans? I want to take credit for everything,
and but the NFL was the one exception the whole time,
whether it was free agency, the NFL draft. They maintain
that we're going to pull this off, even though there's
all these warnings that come fall, there's just gonna be

(01:06:28):
this major outbreak and things are just gonna completely spiral
out of control. But our game plan is no bubble,
personal responsibility. We're gonna have a clear guidelines on how
everybody needs to conduct themselves and we're going to get
through this. And they did it. So now as we're
into we see the NBA no bubble, NHL no bubble,

(01:06:54):
Major League Baseball right now, pictures and catchers, and they're
gonna try to navigate. Starting April one, a one hundred
and sixty two games season no bubble, when they could
barely survive sixty games as you know with the Marlins
and the Cardinals situation. But really this all stems from

(01:07:17):
the fact that the NFL was able to do this. Now,
the question is, are these other sports baseball hundred sixty
two games season. It's not like the NFL rich where
a guy could test positive, let's say on a Monday,
and then be able to test negative for three straight
days and still not miss a game. We know, and
we saw it during the abbreviated Major League season in

(01:07:38):
twenty What are your thoughts about baseball about to kick
this thing off and whether or not they can make
it through a hundred sixty two games. Look, there there
was no denial by the NFL. What needs to be
done right? What was amazing was the compliance. Look the NFL,
in a microcosm, did exactly what the leading research truers

(01:08:00):
medical opinions said to do. Keep your distance from people
as best you can outside of obvious issues like playing
the sport itself. By the way um contact trace whenever
there's an outbreak, and have strict parameters on making sure
everybody knows where they were and who they were in contact.
Remember the very first week when they dropped the hammer

(01:08:21):
on those coaches or not wearing. They were mass properly
and have mandates to enforce mask wearing. They did all
those things. Oh and by the way, rigorous testing. I
remember early in the pandemic, one of the things that
everybody was saying is we need to test and test
and test and tests in testing. And there was such
a lag from the general public standpoint of getting the

(01:08:43):
testing sites up and running and trying to get more
people tested so we could see exactly where the cases were.
If there were any other epicenters other than New York
at the time, and there was just this the NFL.
They never they never pulled any of their resources away,
they ever shied away from spending money on getting this right.

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They leaned into it, and they listened to medical advice,
and they they started a panel. And look, I was
skeptical that this was gonna work. I'm not talking from
somebody who said, look and I told you so it
was gonna work. I said, I don't know how they're
gonna do this. But they followed every single stitch at
of advice given by the medical community, and they found

(01:09:23):
a way to do it and made no exceptions. As
they found out that one week when they were stuck
without a quarterback, they had a wide receiver playing quarterback
because like you said, practice squad. Yeah, they made no exceptions.
It was amazing. And the compliance that they got from
their players, I don't think can really be mimicked in
any other sport because football, it's said off in it's

(01:09:44):
probably set at nauseam. But it is the ultimate team sport.
You are so reliant on the other positions doing their
jobs too for for you to have individual success that
if you don't do your part, you're not only letting
yourself down, you're letting on other players. In the NBA,
it's different, man, you could have a star in the team,
the whole teams about that start it's one guy, maybe two.

(01:10:07):
In Major League Baseball, it is one of the most
individuals team sports there is. You have a picture on
the mountain against the hitter, correct, you know, batter and
it's it's so My point is in order to have
that level of buying and almost needed to be football
to show everybody, look, if you comply to the rules,

(01:10:29):
if you don't break the rules, if you if you
test these guys rigorously and and everybody knows where and
you're checking in on your guys. You're making sure that
they're following the rules. You can have a complete season,
and they proved it. I remember the baseball's disaster in
the beginning, right off the bat. The one thing they
had all these rules. Remember we went over the all
these new rules, like a hundred pages, and that was

(01:10:51):
one of the rules, was no celebration. Other ways we don't.
We got very first game, I think it was the
Oakland A's had a walk off home run and everyone
was at home plate no mask. Any how many times
when we sit there watching games, everyone they dugout no mask.
I mean they didn't drop the hammer the way the
NFL did. The NFL find coaches a hundred thousand dollars

(01:11:12):
the very first week, they find teams for celebrating in
the locker rooms post game. Major League Baseball has any
chance I'm navigating through a one sixty two game season,
and then this is on Rob Manfred, this is on
all the powers at the top of the mountain in
Major League Baseball. Use the example of the NFL. There

(01:11:35):
are no exceptions. If you break the rules, you're out,
You're suspended immediately. They threatened to do that last year.
Remember there was the idea that they didn't want anybody
chewing and spitting like sunflowers and everyone people are just
ignoring this or the idea that since there were no
fans in the stands and not everybody was going to

(01:11:57):
be in the dugout. You know, none of that happen.
It didn't take any time for the Marlins disaster. The Cardinals. Actually,
if you remember it was it was supposed to be mandatory.
These guys were supposed to instead of being in the dugout,
they were supposed to be in the stands until they
were on the on decks. So they didn't enforce it.
They didn't enforce it, and so certain teams comply to first.
But you remember everybody slowly maticulated that were wearing masks

(01:12:22):
to other teams that had no men. Telling you, it's
about the sport. Football is the ultimate team sport, everybody
depending on everybody else for success. But these individualized sports,
the one guy thinks he's got to figure it out,
or the one guy because he watches this news network
versus this news network thinks he can do this and
this guy and I'm talking both sides. You know, maybe

(01:12:44):
some of the guys were like, well, I'm a mask guy,
and some of the guys were like, well I'm not.
It doesn't matter in football because you all have to
be the same guy in order to have success, and
that is pounded into your head at the youth level,
college and into the league, and if you don't comply,
you're considered one of the outsiders. Compliance is necessary to

(01:13:05):
have success in football. And so that's the reason why
they were able to navigate the season as successful as
as they did. Well, so far, so good for the
NBA and the NHL. They seem to be navigating it
pretty well. Of course, we're keeping our fingers crossed with
college basketball. Lastly, we need is another cancelation of March madness.
Remember the March Madness. The n c Tournament, the entire tournament.

(01:13:26):
Sixty schools are all gonna go to Indianapolis, one city.
That's gonna be quite a zoo when they get started.
Sixty eight schools, one city, Indianapolis for the n C
A tournament just a much a month away. So this
is all good news. We're gonna get the masters on toime,
We're gonna get back to our normal schedule. But a
debt of gratitude once again to the NFL, saying, if

(01:13:46):
you're going to do it, there's only one way to
do it. You have to be all in Nott nine percent.
It's got to be no exceptions necessary. Hi, rolling along here,
just a beautiful, beautiful day. It's it's rich Hornberger's birthday.

(01:14:06):
It's Valentine's Day. Who the hell was that was the
Kimbe Matumbo? No no, no um. Sticking with baseball, there
was another big story this week and it was out

(01:14:28):
of character, and it could have been out of fear
from an organization that should know no fear. Tell you
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the birthday boy rich Armburger here on this glorious Sunday
NFL season, well at least the games in the rear

(01:15:08):
view mirror. So February is a notoriously slow month in
the sports world. It always is. But we're busier than
we were last year. Last year we had everything going on.
That's right. We hadn't hit the skids yet. March that
was the day. I remember, February they were just starting

(01:15:28):
to talk about They were buzzing about it. But you're like,
in China, that can affect us. No, we were wrong,
if that's if that's but anybody. None of us were
thinking yeah, but we were gonna remember it was gonna be.
It was gonna be two weeks flatten the curve. That
was the whole. That was the original when when they
asked me from you can we just a couple of weeks,

(01:15:53):
a couple of weeks flatten the curve will be fine. Alright,
Well that didn't happen. By the way, we're live from
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Today for a quote. On Thursday, the Dodgers held a
press conference introduce Trevor Bauer as the newest Dodger. They
signed the reigning Cy Young Award winner to at least

(01:16:13):
for individual seasons, the richest contract in baseball. He will
be the highest paid player in baseball this year, making
forty million dollars, and next year if he so chooses.
I liked a player's option forty five million. My guess
is he's going to pick up that option. Now, what's
interesting about Trevor Bauer is is the season he had
last year. He started eleven games, he had a one

(01:16:36):
seventy three e r RAY, and he had a whip
under point eight. Staggering numbers, right, But also keep in
mind that he pitched only against NL Central teams and
AL Central teams. That's the format we had a year ago.
And when you look a little bit closer at his
eleven starts that he had last year, eight were against
teams that had losing records and ten of his eleven

(01:16:58):
starts were against teams that were in bottom third of
Major League Baseball in terms of offense. Also keep in
mind that when he was acquired by the Reds from
the Cleveland Indians mid season in twenty nineteen, he had
ten starts for the Reds in that season with a
six nine e r A. So the big question is

(01:17:19):
Andrew Freeman, who was absolutely at the top of the
mountain right now baseball executives for what he's do with
the Dodgers and what he did previously with Tampa. One
of the reasons the Dodgers wanted him was he was
so fiscally responsible, still had a winner in Tampa. Let's
see if we can do that in l a. And
he did just that and then back it up with
huge free agent acquisitions. So they signed Mokie Best, a

(01:17:40):
big deal. But when you think about most of that team,
young players developed within the organization. You pick up a
Max Munzie who nobody thought was anything. You know, they've
they've been able to stay underneath the luxury cap. They
have an incredible ability to find talent, cultivate talent, and
developed town at the major league level, like very few

(01:18:00):
teams have outside the Rays, outside of the Cubs in
some more recent where I should say in some less
recent years, and now the Padres. So you signed Mookie Betts,
who is either the first or second best all around
player in baseball, along with Mike Trout, So no one's
gonna argue with that. But this this signing just they
blew through this luxury cap. And by the way, yesterday

(01:18:23):
they announced that they're gonna sign Justin Turner for another
seventeen They have just obliterated the cap, which has really
been not like Andrew Freedman, and certainly not like a
team that just won the World Series. You've got pictures
all over the place. You've got young guys like May
and Gonslin and your reus. Remember you get David Price back,

(01:18:44):
so you don't really need Trevor Bauer, who probably is
your number three starter behind Bueller and Kirkshaw. So why
did they do this? So on Thursday, Andrew Freeman was
there and they asked him. You know, the San Diego
Padres they got, they got Snell, and they got Darvish
a must Grove. Did any of that have to do

(01:19:04):
with the Dodgers? And I would expect Freeman to say
something like, look, we're not worried about other teams. We're
just trying to make ourselves team. Worried about our team.
We had an opportunity to sign a great picture. But
he didn't do that. He actually admitted, he said three
times during the response to that question, we've noticed, We've
noticed what the Padres have done. Oh yeah, we've noticed.

(01:19:25):
He was he was talking about the Padres more than
he was talking about the Dodgers in that answer. And
you know, Steve, to your point, I think there is
a I think there is a distinct fear in anybody
who's either in the same league as the Padres, I
mean in the National League or in Major League Baseball
in general, that this team not only is spending like

(01:19:48):
they never have, but they have a strong farm system
which is still which is starting to pay dividends at
the major league level. This could be the decade of
the Padres baseball. But what what baseball desperately needs. I mean,
obviously they need to face, and maybe Fernando Tatis Jr.
The Padres could be that face. But what they really

(01:20:08):
need now is some fresh blood. As far as rivalries, Yank,
he's Red Sox done. Dodgers, Giants, come on, Cardinals, Cubs.
I mean, these are traditionals. But if we can actually
get some traction, a little back and forth, little friction
going on now. I don't know how a Dodger Padre
rivalry would resonate around the country, or if at all,

(01:20:32):
but it's the kind of things they need. They need
some edge to baseball, and perhaps if this actually becomes
a rivalry, it could have all of Major League Baseball.
You just need one or two dug out clearing brow exactly,
something along those lines. All right, once again, we got
to get back to all the big NFL news. You

(01:20:53):
heard me right, NFL news coming up next. Rolling along
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don't you think average nationwide annual savings survey data July
to December. We are but one thing about the National
Football League. It is the gift that keeps on giving.
By the way, where you surprised though that the ratings
were significantly down for the Super Bowl. Now you could

(01:21:35):
blame it on a bad game, which it was. It was.
It was really a dog game, bad second half because
the Chiefs just never showed signs of life in the
second half. Well, they didn't show much life in the
first half either, to be honest, I mean, there was
always the whole thing. Maybe there was. Yeah, the very
beginning of the second half, You're like, wow, this looks

(01:21:55):
like the first half. But you know, my my thinging
about the Super Bowl was right, they could actually have
record numbers. And the reason I thought that was normally
we have these big Super Bowl parties, right, we have
a lot of people gathered whether at somebody's home or
at a bar or at a restaurant, everyone gathered together
to watch the game on a single site. And I thought,

(01:22:18):
when everybody sort of being at home and no, you know,
hopefully no super spreader parties to watch the Super Bowl,
there were no more TVs, separate TVs watching the game.
But that wasn't the case. And it really is a
trend that we've seen throughout this entire return of sports

(01:22:40):
in the NBA, Major League Baseball, the NFL, college football,
that for whatever reason, during this pandemic, when we were
again going back in May and June saying can you
imagine if we ever got sports back, I mean, people
are just so out of their minds, like, oh, give
me something. We thought there would be like the record

(01:23:00):
numbers watching but hang on, but it's been the polar opposite.
Let me trace this back to a conversation. Actually, by
the way, the NFL numbers included all streaming services, every
single outlet imaginable for the Super Bowl game and the
numbers were down, well yes, but no, like they they
can only count the streams they can count. What's interesting

(01:23:24):
still about streaming is some of this data is protected,
some of its proprietaries, some of it they can't see
the numbers. They have to either base it off of
what UH provider is telling them or based off of
the limited information these independent ratings groups have. And you know,
there's obviously the top of the heap like Nielsen, but

(01:23:46):
then there are others who monitor and try to give
their ratings forecasts or or predictions or output as well.
But but the data it's still incomplete. And what's happening,
And by the way, just interrupt you for a second,
because it was reported there were a record number of
viewers watching the live stream of the Super Bowl and

(01:24:08):
average of five point seven that was up sixty from
last week. That were included in the number that was
just with CBS. That was just CBS is proprietary streaming
data that's separate from other streams. My point is this,
it's incomplete. We don't know how many people stream versus
the cable cutters and all the versus traditional cable and

(01:24:29):
all that versus over their network because all of that
data is not yet available. All right, well, here's a
little more of this study here. I want to get
your thoughts. And the Super Bowl ratings among Americans between
the ages of eighteen and forty nine have fallen dramatically
over the last ten years. And who are the predominant

(01:24:52):
chord cutters people in that age? N? Okay, so what
do you do? So my point is this, until you
are able to and this is going to be, this
is going to be the we have a fractured you know,
in other words, we have fractured viewing. No, we have well, yeah,
we have fractured viewing as far as how is no
longer at least, And what they're saying is it is

(01:25:12):
be it's diminishing the must watch appeal that super Bowls
have had in the past, at least in this democratic
of eighteen. What you're missing is they're still watching. They're
just watching it differently, And we don't have the data.
Just because the data is not being tracked the way
it used to be doesn't mean that people aren't tuning
in for the game. And that's with all sports. You know,

(01:25:34):
everybody was would you say, I watched it on YouTube
team there you go, so did I, and they don't
count that exactly so, and over the pandemic, what we
saw was a giant leap in CHRD cutting because everybody
was stuck at home. Everybody was looking at their bills
and looking at them a little bit differently. It's like, jeez,
where can we take a haircut here? And there's a

(01:25:55):
lot of these traditional cable companies that have massive bills
where you're may be overpaying for channels you don't want,
and all of a sudden they've changed their pitch. Now,
I'll trace this back to a conversation I had during
the pandemic, and we cord cut during the back we
went to YouTube TV and we had a major national
cable network door knocker come to the come to the

(01:26:17):
front door. They knocked on our front door and they said,
we want you back. We know that used to be
with us. We want you back. And I said, you know,
this is an interesting campaign during a pandemic, showing it
up at somebody's front door. And I had so many
questions for them. I didn't end up going back with
the cable provider, but they said, yeah, there's a lot
of people like you guys who are cutting off and

(01:26:38):
going somewhere else, And now we're launching this campaign to
sort of re encourage our former patrons to come back
to us. And so Steve, when you talk about ratings
these days and and everybody falls victims to this, you
can't look at the numbers anymore because they're incomplete. Well,
but what they're saying is because they're they're doing survey,

(01:27:00):
they're trying to get to the root of this. This
is something they do and they're saying, well, instead of
super Bowl, what are your alternatives? And they're like, let's
see video games, TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, Netflix, snapcheck, Disney Plus.
I mean, it's just all these things have emerged and
they're growing all the time. So this is when when

(01:27:21):
people in this demographic are asking, well, instead of watching
the Super Bowl, what are you doing? And that's what
they're telling them. I'm telling you, I I promise you,
I promise you. If they had actual numbers on the
Super Bowl, the interest has probably risen, but it's impossible
to know because it's it's usually trending upward as far
as the super Bowl. By the way, the trending of

(01:27:42):
the the the streaming numbers which are still not officially
they're they're they're ways separately, but they will not be
included in Nielsen until is going to be the first
year that Nielsen numbers will also reflect streaming. And I
know a little bit about this because I have family
members who are involved in this side of business about

(01:28:04):
independently rating things and taking surveys and all these sort
of The way it works is you need to have
what's called a representative population size in order to accurately
forecast or or to guess how many people are actually
tuning in for something. It's not like they survey everybody.
They just survey people against across all age ranges, people

(01:28:27):
across all demographics, people across all states. They need to
have a certain number of people that matches enough of
a threshold to prove out about this population of this
area in this age ranger demographic. Do this and it's
whatever you're surveying them for. And so with that information,

(01:28:48):
they they they then can give you a decent guess
as to how many people actually tuned in. It's not
exactly it never has been um and right now, because
of the lack of data that streaming is giving to
independent survey companies like Nielsen. The data is incomplete, so
everything looks like it's plummeting. And then all of a sudden,

(01:29:09):
you're gonna see all of this like after streaming starts
getting incorporated, they're gonna be like, what happened? Ratings are booming. Well,
it's because now they have more complete data. Well they
hope they're going to be booming, that's for sure. It's
very similar in radio now. I mean it used to
be your turn on your radio, simple that what station
do you listen to? Those days are long one. I

(01:29:29):
mean we have obviously I Heart Radio, which a lot
of people listen to us on I Heart Radio. Of course,
there are people listen on satellite. Uh, people listen to
us on podcast through the website, so people do sports radio,
that app the Fox Radio app everywhere. So you're trying
to figure out all these different ways to determine, you know, well,

(01:29:49):
how many people are actually listening, and it's it's it's
a transition period, let's put it that way. Where things
are happening so quickly now with so many mechanisms. Yeah,
when when like when you consume content now for for
the most part, I'm talking about whether it's at your
you have two places, you have an apartment in San Diego,
you have a house in Los Angeles. Is it typically

(01:30:12):
done more through cable providers or streaming? At this point,
I'm still whole school, you know me. I'm like, but
still a cable guy. Look, I I have I have
three children, a nineteen. I don't have to tell you
that they are where it's at. But I'm saying when
they turn on a movie for you to say, pop,
let's watch this movie. Are they streaming it, even even

(01:30:34):
if it's through a cable provider. Absolutely, it's so rare
where somebody goes, oh my goodness, did you see USA
is playing terminator to tonight honey, get the popcorn pock.
Well it's not for a little Orville Red and Boker
just don't work that way anymore. Looks like, look, we
know this. You know, movie theaters they're done well last

(01:31:00):
ten years. They've been desperate to try to get you know,
suddenly you're in a lounge chair, your get your drinking wine,
You've got you've got people weight on in your hand
and foot to get you your butt into these movie theaters.
It's a long way away from the jam seed and
throw some stale popcorn at you. It's gonna be pretty
soon that I'm gonna be getting pedicures while you're watching. Uh,

(01:31:21):
you know. But you know, I've I've been a member
of SAG for a number of years and you know,
we get the They just announced their nominated films this
year and I don't have to go to the movie
theater to watch any of them. In fact, my son
Drake is a film student. You know, HBO Max, There's
always these different outlets. Now you can watch any of
these things, you know, in the comfort of your own home,

(01:31:43):
big screen. The whole ship bangs. Sports. By the way,
I'm still anxious to find out you're gonna fill seventy
thousand seats at an NFL game. I'm interested in see too,
because the look habits have changed, There's no question about it.
But habits have changed in a direction where right now
ratings is an accurately reflecting interest. So it isn't right now,

(01:32:07):
it's it's um It's an old way to look in
to take the temperature of an environment you have and
also factored in the main interest. For a number of
people that religiously follow the NFL is gambling. Oh of course,
and that's only going to get better. Major interests the
states will continue to legalize this state by states so

(01:32:28):
they can use it as a tax incentive. I go
look at Gavin and all these apps. You know what,
I guarantee they're going to be a lot of these
streaming providers like and and you know name them, um
who are going to have a gaming aspect to their app.
Maybe you pay a certain subscription rate and all of
a sudden you're able to live bet on games you're

(01:32:50):
seeing on your streaming device. Okay, I know you do.
If they were to eliminate, magically eliminate all gambling from
the National Football leg any way, to actually place a
bet on an NFL game, would it have the same
interest for you, Gavin the NFL now, it would definitely
go down. I love the game of football, but a

(01:33:11):
Titans Jaguars game on a Thursday night is only interesting
with the gambling at see. That's exactly. And by the way,
you're you're have a lot of company on that. So
I mean again, there are a lot of factors here,
to say the least in trying to measure, as Rich said,
actual interest in a sport. All right, Coming up on
the other side, J. J. Watt is no longer going

(01:33:32):
to be a Houston Texan who's interested in J. J. Watt?
And how does it affect the situation with Texans quarterback
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birthday boy, Rich Harburger hair, Happy Valentine's Day. Rich on
his birthday brought in pizza for everybody today. That's awfully
big of you on your birthday to oh you guys,

(01:34:16):
I didn't even really think of this, but come to
think of it, we we should. It's up. Now it's
a pizza party. Now it's a pizza birthday party. Big pizza.
Just like when we're in elementary school, you know, you
have all the kids and they come to the house
and they just cause a freakas and then you just
buy a bunch of dominoes or pizza or the local

(01:34:38):
joint and you just pig out really good. Well, thank
you rich on your birthday. Rent a bounce house. You
guys want me to rent a bounce house. I mean,
when you think about everything we've done on these Sundays
over the years, as far as eating is concerned, that's
that's pretty impressive list. Oh yeah, you know there it's

(01:35:00):
pizza or sandwiches, or breakfast burritos or obviously Denise's baked goods,
my gourmet chicken salads, gourmet chicken salt that was delicious.
Brought in a pot roast one time, brought in the
pot Rose gay, Oh man, that was good pot Rose.
Well here really well, all right, it wasn't that long

(01:35:27):
ago that J. J. Watt was recognized as the best
player in the league. He was the most dominant player.
And we talked about Aaron Donald now dominating, but there
was was J J. Watt. M v P Talks was
one of the most amazing years ever because also you

(01:35:49):
forget he was a defensive end who was used also
on the interior. He scored five touchdowns that year. He
also played goal line tight end, and he could touch
the football. So his first five years in the league,
he won three defensive Player of the Year awards. I mean,
he was absolutely dominant. Then he got hurt and then
he had another injury, said back to back injured years.

(01:36:13):
He comes back healthy, all Pro, sixteen sacks, back to
his normal ways. Then twenty nineteen he got hurt again.
So three out of four years, uh, he missed the
majority of the seasons. This past year he played sixteen
full games. He started every single game for the Houston Texans,
and he had five sacks for the whole year. So

(01:36:36):
he and the Texans after ten years, have agreed to
part ways. To fold on this one for you, Rich,
First of all, what value does J. J. Watt have
now at this point of his career? How can he
best be utilized? And does his departure from the Texans?

(01:36:57):
Is that a sign that maybe the Texans are are
ready to sort of clean house and start seriously entertaining
offers if they get substantial offers for Deshaun Watson? So
what what value? Let's start with him because I've I've
heard theories that you can no longer count on them
as an edge guy, but he would still have great

(01:37:19):
value interior wise, on a defensive front. What are your thoughts. Look,
JJ's best years are behind him, that's clear. JJ was
due seventeen and a half million dollars with the Texans.
That's also true. And so the Texans who are amid
unquestionably amid a rebuild and they're trying to do so

(01:37:40):
around Deshaun Watson, who doesn't appear to want to be
there for it. Um wanted to get cheaper, wanted to
take down some of the salary cap, wanted to get
into a more fiscally responsible realm uh, and maybe spend
money on contracts of guys who are going to be
there for the rebuild, not for a guy who's on
his way out, or maybe guys that could help DeShawn Watson.

(01:38:02):
Exactly correct. Here, Here, here's the way this conversation went.
Let's start with j J. Watt and what his value is.
J J. Watt was called by the franchise. He didn't
call them and say, hey, I'm demanding my release. The
franchise called him Nick Kissario, the general manager whoever got
on the phone with him, when Hey, j J, we
want to restructure your deal, and we want to pay

(01:38:23):
you less. We want you to be a Texan, we
want you to retire Texan. But but we we've got
to get some of these numbers off the books. And
j J said, if I'm gonna play here, I'm gonna
play for seventeen and a half million dollars. Otherwise I'm
not gonna play here. And so then they said, well,
are you planning on retiring and then he said, no,

(01:38:45):
you're gonna release me. I'm asking you to cut me
right now. If you don't want me to play for
seventeen and a half million dollars, I'll go test the
market and I'll go and choose where i want to
play because I'm not playing on a loser for for
Austin what my contract says, which is seventeen half million dollars.
And so they went, all right, we oblige. You're released,

(01:39:08):
and so he gets to take a bow and do
the victory lap like I asked them to release me.
And that's how that went. What happened was they asked him,
j J, can we make your contract cheaper? And he
said no, he's just he's beyond that type of player.
You don't pay a player like J. J. Watt twenty
million dollars on on a team that's not even close

(01:39:28):
to being in contention for a postseason spot, let along
a Super Bowl one team that supposedly has interest. And
again you're you're not only getting a guy that's going
to be a future Hall of Famer. Obviously he's leader,
he's a character guy. I mean, there's there's all good
with J. J. Watt. Of course Green Bay Packers. Now

(01:39:49):
there's a team again, hometown Wisconsin Badger. I mean, there's time.
It would make a lot of sense. And again I
think that they son his lack of sacks. And then,
by the way, it wasn't just him, it was a
whole dynamic not working for the Texas defense. How available
has he been over these past couple of years. This
year he started every single No, no, I know, but

(01:40:11):
I'm saying, say the past five years, as he played
even three full seasons. Of that last five seasons, three
of the last five years he's played single digit games.
The other two years he played full sixteen. Again, he
was first team All Pro sixteen sacks. This year he
had five. Um But I I look at his game
because he's still a disruptive force. You still have to

(01:40:32):
game plan for him no matter where he is on
that defensive front. But you know, and the Texas over
the years have used him inside and outside. I mean
they're they're lining up in different He can play all
those spots. But I think, I think still with that
interior defensive line, just his monstrous size and his ability
to get hand he he could still be a hugely

(01:40:54):
valuable player on a team that has the right surrounding
players around. If he signs, it's gonna be for something
a one or two year deal, to be like one
year ten million or two year sixteen or something like that.
He's he's not He's not gonna get anywhere near twenty
million dollars like he was owed this upcoming season seventeen

(01:41:14):
a half million. Again, it's too much to spend on
a guy like him. But if he takes a discount,
he can go play with a potential winner like the
Green Bay Packers. Who knows, I mean, everybody seems to
be lining up for the Buccaneers. Want to take a
crack there. Maybe he wants to play with his brothers
in Pittsburgh. My point is, you're either, he said to
the Texans, you're either gonna pay me with a mode

(01:41:36):
or you're gonna release me, because I'm not done playing
yet and there's no way I'm playing here for less
than what i'm contractually owed. In the Houston Texans said, okay,
we'll let you walk now. As far as Deshaun Watson goes,
he has tremendous value on the open market if they're
willing to trade him, and and all indications are Again
when an organization says we have no intention of trading

(01:41:57):
Deshaun Watson, what they're saying is we haven't heard anything
close to the offer that we're looking for. I've still
said if it's if you're the Miami Dolphins, I would
be willing to part with whatever it takes too. They
have two ones this year, two two's future ones and
they have to h I'd give it all up. I
mean seriously, I would give up the two ones. I

(01:42:19):
mean that's you don't have to go that far. But
everything's on the table right now, including to a in
the deal in order to get to Shaun Watson on
a team that we've talked about. Brian Floor is a
great job he's done coaching that team. A double digit
win team right now, Uh, that has a great defense,
has the special teams, And if you add to Shawn Watson,

(01:42:41):
how could you argue? What what are you going to
get in the draft that's gonna compare to a twenty
five year old quarterback entering the prime of his career.
I agree with you. I think any team that is
in win now mode and has some draft capital that
they can spend to go get a guy like the
Shawn Watson, you go and do it. You just go
and do it, and you don't. You can't make excuses
for the now when you have an opportunity. And like

(01:43:03):
you said, your your drafts are are the majority of
time best guesses. Is this guy actually gonna work at
this level? We don't know yet, but our best guest
tells us, yeah, maybe it will. But if I did
this one time, and I think it ranged between the
years of like two thousand six to two thousand sixteen. Uh,
And at the time when I did this, I think

(01:43:24):
it was two thousand seventeen, so it was recent data.
But I went back and looked at the first rounds
that past decade, and I looked at the quarterbacks taken
in the first round and it was something like only
forty percent of them even became franchise quarterbacks. And I'm
not even talking about elite. I'm just talking about a
guy who has been there and put up some decent stats,

(01:43:45):
somebody who can maybe build a team around. I wasn't
even talking about the elite guys. Just to get it,
that means six of first round picks over that decade.
We're bus well think about this alas that we were
talking earlier about at least one person projecting quarterbacks going one, two, three,
four in the draft, which has never happened. The last
time the top three picks where quarterbacks was Tim Couch,

(01:44:11):
Donovan McNabb and Achille Smith. One became a franchise quarterback.
The other. It's almost exactly matching the metric I just won.
That was back grouping, but it hovers around success rate.
Just drafting a franchise guy. It's it's tough business. So yeah,

(01:44:33):
if you got a shot at the sean, go get him.
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Did you enjoy the pizza? Of course? Excellent? Even more,

(01:44:56):
even more, the sentiment that the birthday boy delivered it
to us ubelievable. I hope it doesn't spoil your big
birthday meal tonight. No. No, that will not get in
the way. And that will not get in the way. Okay,
very good. Yeah, I don't think that's good. You know,
nothing gets in the way of an offensive lineman and
is properly by the way. Ralph is our resident golfer.

(01:45:16):
He plays a lot of golf sometimes he loves the
game of golf. And I'm watching what's going on at Pebble.
I was fortunate enough to have two trips up to Pebble,
and in fact, Ralph, I remember you picking me up
at the airport after one of them. Uh. Absolutely. You know,
you can watch a course on television say wow, that
looks beautiful. Uh, but I guess it's much like Augusta,

(01:45:40):
where I've never been. People say, you have no idea
unless you're actually there. But we're talking about and that's
that's Pebble. It is ridiculous, ridiculous. I only got to
the only really beautiful course I played. I played a
couple of nice ones, but really like where the scenery
just took me, took my breath away with Cappeloa and

(01:46:00):
MAUI of course, I'll tell you right now. Uh, you know,
pack your windbreaker because you drive into that wind on
one of those holes and it blows right back to
the T box. Well, that's Pebble Beach. I mean, this
course can change in a blink of an eye with
the weather, which is when you're along the ocean. That's

(01:46:20):
what happens. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right there. Well, anything else
happening out there, Well, we haven't said anything that's happening yet,
but that's okay, Okay, now we'll get to that. We'll
still we'll start with golf. The PGA Tours a T
and T Pebble Beach Pro Am going on right now,
and Daniel Burger sits atop of the leaderboard at fifteen
under par four under for the day through seven holes,

(01:46:41):
and he's one shot ahead of Nate Lashly who is
three under for the day. He's also through seven holes.
Patrick Cantley bruin uh minus thirteen two shots back through
eight holes and he has tied with Jordan's Speed, who
was also at thirteen under par even for the day. Finally,
in front the end a Washington one winner over Boston

(01:47:03):
the Wizards NABA two game losing Street Bradley Beal thirty
five points in the victory. Russell Westbrook didn't quite get
that triple double thirteen points, eleven assists and nine rebounds. Finally,
from college basketball, Number three Michigan comes back. They beat
number one Wisconsin fifty nine. The Wolverines are fourteen and
one right now in the first half, inside of four

(01:47:25):
minutes to play. Number twenty two Loyola six lead over
the Bulldogs from Drake and Yeah, they are racing at
Daytona right now through fifteen laps out of a scheduled
two hundred. The leaderboard has Kevin Harvick into front, followed
by Christopher Bell, Austin, Dylan, Kyle Busch, and then Chase Elliott.

(01:47:49):
We sent it back now to Steve Hartman and Richard Burton.
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something on auto insurance. So we talked about Tom Brady
and his UH celebration post Super Bowl, and as we mentioned,

(01:48:10):
it was good to see the human side of Tom Brady.
He looked like, as I said earlier, any forty three
year old father of three that's out of the house
and hanging out with his buddies on the boat having
a good time. This is what you do. I don't
know if Gazelle gave him an earful when he got
back about staggering around drunken public, but you know, it's
all good fun and hey, I'm all for it. Thumbs

(01:48:32):
up on Tom Brady, he looked like a look like
a forty three year old father of three returning home
from fantasy football draft. Well, he looked like weaken at Bernie's.
The way they are having to hold him up at
the end. That was weekend at Bernie's. Just play a
little music all of a sudden, he just springs the line.
Um so anyway, But while tom Brady and his and

(01:48:56):
his buccaneer teammates were celebrating, a team that did not
celebrate a year was the New England Patriots. In fact,
they experienced their first losing season UH since two thousand
and I just curious, as someone that played in that organization,
how do you think Super Bowl Sunday went down for

(01:49:17):
Bob Kraft and Bill Belichick? Uh, watching Tom Brady, who
at the end of last season everyone seemed to think
his best days are definitely behind him. By the way,
just for the record, if you include the playoff games,
tom Brady this year through for more yards and more

(01:49:38):
touchdowns then Patrick Mahomes through for this year. So not
only did Tom Brady not look like a quarterback and decline,
he looked better than ever. And so for the last
few years it seemed like Belichick was trying to move on,
whether it was Jimmy Garoppolo, whatever, and that Robert Kraft
was hesitant. He wanted to keep Brady, but finally, after

(01:50:01):
of disappointing and to last season, they cut ties. So
how do you think that one down with Robert Kraft
watching that game, with Belichick watching that game as Tom
Brady won his fifth Super Bowl m v P Award. Well,
those are very different experiences. That's why I asked you.
For Robert Kraft, it's the first time in his entire

(01:50:26):
time as an NFL owner where he actually has to
trust the process. Like when he bought a perennial loser
in the New England Patriots, he immediately turned it into
a perennial winner. In hiring Bill Belichick. They they took
off immediately. They won a Super Bowl two years after

(01:50:46):
he purchased the team. I mean, he hasn't had a
weight around and see sort of so and reap and
so and reap. He's had nothing but success. He's known
nothing but success as an owner in this league. So
this is going to be the first time. Like you know,
they said it with the seventies sixers, trust the process.
You know, they said it with that. We were talking

(01:51:08):
about the San Diego Padres earlier today. Trust the process.
It takes years sometimes you in the NFL. I mean,
you need to start from scratch and build back. Now
I'm not saying that they've completely abandoned the Patriot way
and now Bill Belichick needs to three think the culture altogether.
That's not what's happening. But they do need to find

(01:51:29):
a quarterback. And let me stop you right there, because
no matter how good your coaches are, and Belichick is
certainly on the mount Rushmore of NFL coaches, no question
about that none of it is possible in terms of
winning super Bowls unless you have a quarterback. They can do.
They need a great court. And so you had that quarterback,
and he won six super Bowls with that quarterback, and

(01:51:50):
as he proved this year on a whole new team,
whole news system, he is still that quarterback, Tom Brady.
So now all of a sudden, we're hearing rumors that
maybe since the Cam Newton thing, which was the last
second decision that didn't really pan out, but now Marcus
Mariota is someone that could be on New England's radar.

(01:52:12):
And with all due respect to Mariota, I don't know.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't see Tom Brady
and Marcus Mariota. And if I were, if I were
Robert Kraft, I wouldn't be happy right now because we
had Tom Brady. And the problem for Tom Brady in

(01:52:33):
New England was he didn't have the right supporting cast,
the diminishing receivers and running backs and everything else. He
could only make two with what he had. He had
riches in Tampa, and you saw the results. So it
wasn't Tom Brady. As it turned out, there were other
decisions that have been made that had really diminished the

(01:52:54):
options for Tom Brady as a quarterback. Look, there's no
there's no doubt that there was real contention between Bill
Belichick and Tom Brady. I mean that was reported. I
know people who were there during those times and they said, yeah,
there was a real division occurring, and there were Brady
guys and there were Belichick guys. And you know that

(01:53:15):
part of the issue was Brady started to really believe
what he was doing off the field was special with
the TV twelve methods, something that he developed with his
health guru, Alex Guerrero, and he wanted to bring more
of these guys to the light. One of his disciples
is Ron gronkows Rob Gronkowski who uh followed him to

(01:53:37):
Tampa Bay, and he's He's had a good season as
a blocking tight end and as a goal line target.
He's had some nice receiving games. Not a lot his
role has transition, but you get the point, like he
started drawing more and more guys to the to the
Brady way of doing things, and that's sort of corrupted
the Patriot culture, which is the Patriot way, and that

(01:54:00):
was a Belichick product. So you had these two rival
ideals that we're taking place under one roof. But Bill
believes in what he's doing. Bill has made uh an organization. Uh.
He took them from the very bottom of the NFL
and brought them to the top consistently. And now he

(01:54:20):
did that alongside any without Tom Brady. That was That's
the difference is now Belichick we talked about Craft has
to trust the process for the first time. Belichick does too.
He needs to believe himself more than he ever has.
He needs to trust that he let go of Tom
Brady at the right time and that he can find

(01:54:41):
a reasonable replacement for the sort of success he had
at that position. Otherwise this goes in a very opposite
direction very quickly. Unless they get a quarterback that can
win a Super Bowl, it's it's after Brady did it.
People are gonna say, wow, Belichick versus Brady, at least
after one year advantage Brady all right? Going into the

(01:55:03):
Super Bowl. We were sitting here a week ago and
we were talking about the matchup of the goat versus
the future Goat, well as Patrick Mahomes really now the
future goat or did the Tampa Bay's defense exposed a
flaw that other teams can exploit. Talk about that coming

(01:55:27):
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Steve Harbin, Mr. Birthday, rich arm Burger, thank you, Thank

(01:55:54):
you to Kim bay Riches thirty five years old today
years young? Does that feel I mean, you know, there's
there's that that that that mid decade? I feel nothing. Steve,
do you realize as of today you're closer to forty
than you were to your twenties. I don't. This is

(01:56:15):
that's the cut up point thirty five. I'm really uh,
I'm the end of your thirty fourth year. I'm struggling.
This is the first day of his thirty fifth year,
which means he's in the past the half nine. I'm
struggling with raising two small children right now, so that dominates. Well, yeah,
they're big little kids. I have a two year old

(01:56:36):
who's forty pounds. I mean, he's an absolute mind and
he's a veggie. He's a vegan. Well, yeah, not not
even I don't even think he knows what like chicken
or steak or any of that, is what you say.
He tosses it back in your face when you try
to trick them. Yeah, he knows what it is because
he knows he doesn't like it. But I'm saying it's this,
he's not like this isn't like conscious will he's anti

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meat naturally. Yeah, whatever it is, I mean, it doesn't matter.
He has an innate rejection to anything poultry, ham, beef, jed, turkey, nothing, nothing. Well,
he'll eat like cheese, he'll lead yogurt and stuff like that.
But it's the strangest set of circumstances. Anyways, he's a

(01:57:21):
giant even still. He can bench press three reps right now.
Of course, his arms a little bit short, all right.
I want to get to Patrick Mahomes here, a little
short there, um. All right. So you asked me a
week ago on this date, a question you would ask
a lot of people that even if Patrick Mahomes were

(01:57:43):
to lose the Super Bowl and he retired immediately after
the game, would he be an automatic Hall of Famer.
And my response to you at the time was, well,
It depends on how if he were to lose, how
what kind of game it would be. Well, it was
kind of game we never envisioned Patrick Mahomes. That was
the first double digit loss of his career. He had

(01:58:06):
never lost the game by more than a single score
and he got blown out on the biggest stage at
the Super Bowl. Okay, well that, but that's part of it.
He plays for the Chiefs and he's gonna be playing
for the Chiefs for a long time with the contract
that he signed. Is it conceivable that, with all of

(01:58:26):
our talk about Patrick Mahomes maybe challenging Tom brady super
Bowl record down the road, that he may have won
his last Super Bowl. I'll go back to Russell Wilson.
He won a Super Bowl, he lost a heartbreaking Super
Bowl the following year, and he hasn't been back to
the super Bowl since. Aaron Rodgers won a super Bowl

(01:58:48):
ten years ago, has not been back to a super
Bowl since. And these are great quarterbacks who had great
seasons year after year after year, and yet they're not
in the Super Bowl by just winning a super Bowl.
But you did just name two Hall of famers, And
that was the question I wasn't asking if he lost
this game, will he ever be back? I said, if
he lost this game and retired, would he be of him?

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When he is he gonna? Is this guy gonna win
five or six Super Bowls? Separate point? Separate point. We
can get to that in a second. But if if
I were a Hall of Fame voter, alright, and Patrick
Mahomes decided as of Monday following the Super Bowl, I've
seen enough, I've done enough. I've had enough. I'm done.

(01:59:34):
This is a guy who won the NFL MVP his
second season as a starter. He won. He went to
three consecutive AFC Championship games one two of them won
a Super Bowl, was the Super Bowl m VP that year.
I would say he would be a Hall of Famer.
Remember then, my mind, a quarterback had identical start to
Churts Kurt Warner. One game is rookie year, just like Mahomes.

(01:59:59):
Secondary was Super Bowl MVP League m v P, and
then two years later he was back in the Super
Bowl and was the League MVP a second time. So
after in the same amount of time, he had two
m v P wards and a Super Bowl m v P,
had been to two Super Bowls, won one lost one
so very comparable, and looking back, what I have thought
at that point Kurt Warner was an automatic Hall of Famer.

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I think that Warner's comeback in Arizona was what cemented
his spot in the Hall of Fame. I don't think so.
I think I think had he retired after all that
early success, he would have been a Hall of Famer.
To look now, the separate issue you bring up about
him ever winning another Super Bowl, I would say the
probability is fairly good because the Chiefs are really good
still Okay, but what let me ask you this. We

(02:00:41):
talked about the Rams getting dismantled by New England and
the Super Bowl, and honestly, that offense has never looked
the same. You can say there's a number of factors,
obviously Todd Gurley not being the dynamic running back he
was prior to that, But it seemed like teams figured
out something about Sean mcveigh's offense and they weren't the same.
Could there be something in that Tampa Bay Tampa Bay

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did in this game that could be a roadmap on
how to slow down that Chief's offense. That's always been
the roadmap, just no team has been able to do
it because of the offensive line. They've been talented enough
to keep people from rushing for and having success. Rely
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We are farmers, alright, So let's get this straight about
your birthday slash Valentine's Day. Go ahead. So after you
finished here, do you have dinner? I mean, how's this
working during this still pandemic we got going on here?
So this is the one I remember last year, you

(02:03:10):
guys have a big date weekend the week before Valentine's Day.
I'm glad you brought that up. So you know, with
hotels hurting and us trying to do what we can
to to help the local economy flourish, we got a
room for two nights and uh, and supported a local

(02:03:32):
business to the best of our ability. Know, the truth is,
our neighbor agreed to watch our two bratty kids, and
so we got to like stay away, my god. So yeah,
two years very romantic for a couple of nights. Two
years ago, we did it on like in the in
the month of February. I don't know if it was
the week of, It might have been the week of

(02:03:52):
the week before, it could have been. And then this
year we did it back in January to celebrate my
wife's birthday. And we did it this past week. Because
when you have again, I was talking about the kids earlier,
but when you have a two year old and five
year old, your life is dominated. They just I mean

(02:04:13):
they ounce of your available energy and patience and then
at the end of the night, they just they just
ring it out and they do it all over again
the next day. And so we we, yeah, we we
had our getaway. We had a stay cation. And you
wonder why time flies. I always go back to a
comment I told you that Oral Hersizer told me back

(02:04:35):
in nineteen nine. Oral and I are the same age
and his kids were a little older. I just had
the two boys at the time. A little guys like yours.
And he said that line to me because he was asking,
you know, talk about having kids and everything. I gotta go, man,
it just it's like NonStop. And he said, when you
have kids, the days are long, but the years are short. Yeah,

(02:04:58):
there's no let up. From the opening bell in to
the closing bell, there's no let up, and then the
days just start rolling through. I like I used the
opening belt because it does feel it's the same frenetic
pace of the floor of the stock exchange, Like they're
just people shouting and throwing things, and all of a
sudden a fistfight breaks out and you're just trying to

(02:05:19):
you're you're fighting it and then everybody and then all
of a sudden it just stops. And then there's like
maybe an hour before you shut your eyes where you're like, wow,
this is the way it used to be. All the
time you get to the full blown sports scene, you know,
we're both of them are doing you know, all the
different sports and everything else. Gotta be at this practice.
That practice, maybe you say, wow, yeah, I like to

(02:05:40):
coach the team, and you're like, be careful, via warn
you be careful out there. Yes, Sam, what do you
go yes, rich I think in two to three years,
your birthday to ticket may not even exist anymore. It's
just gonna evaporate. It won't even exist. You can't fight it.
You won't have an official birthday. Steve real quick where
you were coming in and you said, it's richest birthday today.
I had to hear my story that I have his

(02:06:01):
buddy named Danny. His father's name is rich Valentine. Really,
and guess what day's birthday is big old today? You
want to hear something really about my birth certificate. This
is a true story. So my whole life, I'm up
until up until I was like an adult adult, I

(02:06:21):
thought my official name was rich Or Richard Paul Valentino
orn Burger. I was told by my mother I had
two middle names. And I'm not kidding. Every time I
filled out like an official document Richard Paul Valentino, I
would fill out all four names, and there were people
who looked at me, like, wow, that's so unique, you

(02:06:43):
have two middle names. I'm like, I know my mom,
I was born on Valentine, says she. She demanded that
it be on my birth certificate. And I'm sure there
were certain official documents I filled out where they were like,
this idiot thinks he's got to two middle names. It's
just Richard, Paul Orberger. And they stiff for me. But
until I was about twenty four, This is like ten

(02:07:03):
years ago, I figured this out. I tell us about
twenty four years old, I thought I had two middle names.
Wait to say, what did your driver's license say when
you were? And I asked about the driver's license and
ship because I she I forget I didn't handle my
application for a permit, so I think my mom or
my dad did, and so I didn't. I was like,
why doesn't it say both names? And I think the

(02:07:25):
excuse I was given, Oh, they couldn't fit it on
the license. So anyways, so this ruse or the I
guess it was a running joke. Finally I found out
it was why I was with the Patriots. I called
my mom and I'm like, I, oh, I remember why
I figured it out. It was because we were playing
the Buccaneers in London and I never had a passport before.

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And I kid you not. As I'm filling out the
passport information, I'm writing Richard Ball, Valtino Hormburger and they
were like, dude, this that doesn't match your birth certificate,
and so the people at the Patriots informed me of
a lie that had been perpetrated since by day of birth.
Two things. First of all, you sound great as a Valentino.
That's a Valentino. That should be your nickname. Just call

(02:08:11):
you Valentino Valentino. It's Secondly, you've never been out of
the country until you travel to London with the NFL. Yeah,
that's correct. You got a lot of traveling to do you,
my man, I certainly do. I certainly not anytime soon
with those two little guys. No, yeah, well, like I
don't think. So what do you think it's gonna be
safe to travel to Europe again? Would you say just

(02:08:32):
to have a nice trip and just do it like
you used to do. I don't know, but we're gonna
see this soon. Maybe everything is back to normal this summer.
We've always deferred to you, Sam when it comes to
this pandemic, and now you say everything this summer will
be back to normal. Well I think that. Listen. Now,
they're saying, if you get your vaccinations, if you're exposed
to someone core most of us are not. Do not
have access to a vaccination for quite a one. I

(02:08:53):
know we're helping, you know, April, May, June. But yeah,
you get vaccinated, then you're hoping that. You know, you
don't have to quarantine if you're exposed to someone with COVID.
That's what some exorcistence. By the way, I just have
a friend of mine who does the weather on the
weekends for me with me at our l A station.
He just got over it. He just he went through
the whole thing and still recovering taste, the sense of taste, smell,

(02:09:19):
gotten it a third of l A County. They think
he's gotten COVID. My whole family, Uh now I shouldn't
say my whole family, but my mom, my dad, my sister,
my brother in law, and their kid, my niece all
got COVID at the same exact time. This happened two
weeks ago, and it was I mean, it was a
little touch and go there for a couple of them.
My my dad had a real rough time a couple

(02:09:42):
of nights where he was pretty close to calling they said,
now they all stay out Long Island in Connecticut, New
York and Connecticut. There were a couple of nights where
he was considering calling the ambulance or having my sister
do because he was he was checking up with her
at the time. And uh, it's rough, man like. Some
people have a breeze with it, but some people it's

(02:10:03):
he said, it's as sick as he's ever been. And well,
imagine eating that pizza. We just ate with it. No
sense of take for me, for me, honestly, you know,
I don't know. He was my my buddy was telling
me like they put like was sabby in front of
him and like these peppers and he put him in
and nothing. My mom, she was ever envisioned since that,

(02:10:26):
you know, something like sabby and you can't. I'll tell
you this has been my test, uh, you know, for
for since this pandemic started. If if I wake up
and I'm like, hmm am I getting stuffy, I go
I walked straight to the refrigerator, I popping all of
in my mouth. And that that's a Valentino move right there. Hey, rich,

(02:10:46):
I'm looking at the Super Bowl odds for Super Bowl
fifties six. That's the way we operate. As soon as
you're done with one super Bowl, you already on top
of the chiefs. Are the favorites of course the next
team is the Packers, then it's the Buccaneers. Let me
ask you this about the Buccaneers. Why would they get worse?

(02:11:07):
I mean, think if you think about the Buccaneers season,
they were sitting at seven and five, They had a
stretch where they lost three out of four games in
the month of November, they had their bye week. They
all admit now retrospect, they were able to get a
few things iron out. They finished on a role every game.
As the season progressed all the way to the finish line,
they got better and better and better and better. Now

(02:11:28):
is this the thought that for guys like in Dominican
Sue and Antonio Brown and grock Uh and guys like this,
that they're they're they're done. I mean Leonard for Nets
still a young running back. I mean he's on a contracts.
But I have said this because I was wrong. You
were right about Tampa before the season. I honestly had

(02:11:48):
no In fact, when they went to seven and five
and lost that game to the Chiefs. By the way,
I remember going on tv C, it's over. This team
is not gonna make They're done. Finished. You out of
your mind, Tom Brady, I will say mark my words
right now, I will never, ever, ever, ever again pick
against Brady in a playoff game. I don't think the rest.

(02:12:08):
I don't care how many more playoff games he has.
He's thirty four and eleven in the postseason. I will
never ever go against this guy again. I played with
the guy. I believe in him like like no one else.
I was one of the people who said the NFC
is going to be represented by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
in the Super Bowl, and I said, I accurately predicted
the Chiefs are gonna be in there. And in the
preseason I was saying, and the Bucks will win. You did, well,

(02:12:32):
guess what we got going in the season. And I
never changed my preseason selection for the Super Bowl opponents,
but I did flip flop on who I thought would
win the game. I said, you know what, I think
it's going to be the Chiefs who win this one.
And you're kicking yourself that again so much like you
you can't bet against Tommy terrific And people forget this one.

(02:12:55):
Another aspect about why I stayed with the Chiefs even
though I had genuine concerns about their offense to the line,
it was Andy Reid's record with a bye week, I
get the guys unbeatable with bye weeks. He had the
extra week. And not only had the extra week, he
didn't have the normal commotion of Super Bowl week. They
stayed in Kansas City. They've worked, all right. So if
you were to look at these, so the Chiefs her favorite,

(02:13:16):
The Packers are next, followed by the Bucks, the Ravens,
the Bills, the Rams, the Rams. Everyone's like buying at
Matthew Stafford, who's never won a playoff game. That aside,
So if you were to say, all right, I'm gonna
give you a certain amount of money to place a
wager on who is going to win the Super Bowl?
Right now? Which team would you select? Well, hang on,

(02:13:38):
let me look at the dodds real all right, there
you go. Those are the odds. So Chiefs or plus
six hundred Packers plus nine hundred Bucks plus a thousand Ravens, Bills,
Rams plus twelve hundred. All right, I'll tell you who
I like. By the way, the Seahawks are plus. I
like the Bucks attend to one, and I like the
Rams of honestly twelve to one. I just those are

(02:14:00):
good value likes. I just think the values. Right, Do
you honestly believe that Matthew Stafford is that kind of
an upgrade from Jaredy. I think he's a really, really,
really good quarterback. I think he's even though he's only
won ten games in twelve years against teams that had
ended with a winning record. I think he's a good competitor.

(02:14:20):
I think he's a steep upgrade from Jared Golf. I
think I think you handled the spotlight of a big game,
because frankly, he's never been in one. I do I
do like game. By the way, he didn't win any
huge games in college. He's one of those guys that
has a big arm that people get enamored with. Right,

(02:14:41):
and we've only seen him with the Detroit Lions. We've
seen him and and and the Rams have enough weapons
for him. We saw him with the Detroit Lions. Threw
mostly bad years, but but he had Calvin Johnson was
the best receiver in the league's first seven years, and
in the early years he looked better with Calvin Johnson
and never won a playoff game. That is true, I mean,

(02:15:02):
but we also know that by the way quarterback hang on,
a quarterback is one of twenty two guys on the
field at a time, the defensive, their defensive coordinators gone.
Is that defense? Oh? It probably will? Wait wait a second,
Hang on a second. So why are we why are
we including defense in the conversation with Stafford going to

(02:15:25):
the Rams. We're only talking about discounting the defense during
those losing playoff appearances when he was at the Lions. Look, Steve,
it's a team sport. So I think the Rams are
one of the best teams in this league. Yes. Do
you think the Rams are better than their l A cohorts,
the Chargers? Yeah? Do you think that? Do you think
Justin Herbert is a better quarterback than Matthew Stafford? Yes?

(02:15:47):
I also think that's true. Yes. Yeah. Look, here's the
deal though, again and Staley maybe take that. Houston Texans
had DeShawn Watson and they were four and twelve. So
you can have a great quarter back and a bad
team and have a bad season. What the Rams have
is a really good team, and now they have a
really good quarterback, and they have a really good chance

(02:16:08):
of making some noise again this season, and because they
have a really good head coach in Sean McVeigh. Well,
I'm I'm definitely changing my tune. If I had money,
I'm putting everything on Tampa. As long as Tom Brady
is the quarterback. I think Tampa is a good value.
I mean, and they have defense. They have it. They
have it, so do the Rams. The Rams have the

(02:16:30):
best defensive player to defensive the same offensive Donald. Yeah,
but they don't have the same offensive weapons that Tampa has,
not even close. Cooper Cup isn't good with Jared Who's
a better tight end right now in his career? Higbie
or Gronk after his two touched up. By the way,

(02:16:53):
what do you want to say with with Staley leaving,
I do wonder what will happen to that defense? And
a lot there was a mass exodus of a lot
of coaches there. By the way, Richard Never last week
leading up the Super Bowl, I asked you about the
tight end matchup and who would get the best of it,
and I mentioned that Gronk had his best game in
the regular season. Dismissed that I thought it was gonna
be Kelsey, and I thought it was gonna be by

(02:17:14):
a mile. Look again, I was shocked with the result
of that game. I was shocked. I couldn't believe that
Kansas City not only had a bad plan to start
the game, they're playing with this mismatch group of offensive onement.
I thought their game was gonna be about the short screens.
I thought it was gonna be about the crossing routes
and the timing routes against zone coverage. They never adjusted.

(02:17:36):
They had They had Patrick Mahomes in these seven step
dropbacks the entire game. He was running for his life.
I couldn't figure out why they didn't change. I don't
know if it was because the team as a whole
was distracted, because there were some there was some unbelievably
unfortunate news that the coach's son was involved in leading
up to the Super Bowl or what it was. But

(02:17:58):
that was a terrible game play. And then credit to
the Buccaneers on the other side of it, that was
as good as any teams played the Chiefs. Since Patrick
Mahomes has been the starting quarterback again, he had never
lost a game by more than a single score until
that game. And all right, well, on the other side,
when we're talking about this NFL season, I want to
get back to Matthew Staffer right now. Okay, because this

(02:18:20):
this guy, to me is he may be the biggest
single question mark on how next season is going to go,
because when you wear a Lions uniform, well we'll explain
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(02:19:03):
absolutely completed this mission around the sun, Ready for my
next Gavin, do you have a special day with your
lady today? What's going on? We are going to a
tiki lounge in North Hollywood, California. And what's neat is
they're actually gonna have like Hooli dancers and like the
whole thing going on very again. And how about you, Sam,

(02:19:24):
what do you got for the lady? I think I'm
gonna pick up some Philly cheese steaks and we're gonna
just gonna just lay low. We'll see you'll stop by
how many how many slices? Of pizza. Did you I
had three? Three? I gotta stop here because I gotta
make room for Philly. I was gonna say, because these
are large New York style pizzas. A lot of dough today,

(02:19:45):
assuming a lot of dough today. Uh. The Detroit Lions
are without question the worst franchise and professional sports. That's probably.
I mean, I don't know how you can argue with
the fact that since they won their last NFL championship
in nineteen fifty seven, they have one one playoff game. Okay,

(02:20:15):
So that is in the last sixty three NFL seasons
they have won one playoff game. Okay. So that's that's
why when we talk about Matthew Stafford leaving the Lions
and joining and by the way, it's the reason that

(02:20:35):
Barry Sanders retired early. It's the reason that Calvin Johnson
retired early. It's it's a lot. It takes a toll.
I had a couple of buddies who played for the
Lions when I was still in the league, and you know,
it goes further beyond just the organization itself. I'll give
you an example of conversation one time I had with

(02:20:57):
one of my former teammates from college who was rafted
by the Lines. He was like, dude, he was like,
this is just a mess. He had been there a
couple of years. I was like, what's going on and
he was like, we lose all the time. And he
was complaining about the coaching at the time, and he
was like and you know, look, he's like, I'm just
I'm just calling it what it is. He's like, this

(02:21:18):
is a tough place to live. He said, it's cold
all the time. He goes, we park our cars at
the hotel for our pregame, you know here in Detroit,
get to play indoors. He was like, feels a beautiful stadium. Well,
he was like, we park our cars. He's like, you
know sometimes we wake up to our car windows broken
and stuff stolen out of our car. Like it's just

(02:21:40):
a tough place to play, like in in every aspect
there there And so as a result of it, guys
who stayed there for a long time, like you just mentioned,
like a Barry Sanders, it almost or Calvin Johnson, it
almost feels like it's like I would rather save my
body and think about my future and maybe bouncing my

(02:22:01):
grandkids on my knee then play another minute in this
league with this organization and some guys. I mean, Matthew
Stafford's another example. He requested this trade, but he said
it was the most difficult conversation he's ever had. But
it probably adds years to his NFL career. A right,
So remember and Dominican sue another example of a guy

(02:22:23):
got out you know who in his Detroit days. I
always looked back at that playoff game they lost to
the Cowboys in which they were robbed. Let's face him.
I don't know if I've ever seen a defensive lineman
dominated a game like he did. That. That was reminiscent
of his Big twelve championship game against Texas and Colt
McCoy when a lot of people thought he had cemented

(02:22:44):
the Heisman trophy. He remembered that that game against Dallas unblockable.
I mean he was using guys like they were blocking shields.
I mean he was all over the place. All right. Well,
here's the difference, though, You got Matthew Stafford and he
is still He just turned thirty three on Super Bowl Sunday,

(02:23:05):
so there's still plenty of tread left on the tires
where he is to prove that whatever lack of success
he's had over the course of his career wasn't on
his talent, but rather because of the organization he played for.
And so my my point about Matthew Stafford is, all right,

(02:23:27):
you've been given an opportunity. You're joining a playoff team.
You're joining a team that had the number one rated
defense in the entire league. You're joining a team that
has a coach that's been to a super Bowl. You
have a team that's been to the playoffs three of
the last four years. So you don't have any more excuses.
You can't fall back and say, well, I was on
the wrong place of the wrong time. You have been

(02:23:49):
given a second chance. The question we were willing to
give Tom Brady excuses? People are like, look, the Tampa
Bay Bucks will be better with Tom Brady than Jameis Winston.
This guy, he's gonna need a year to learn that.
I remember in the preseason everybody was saying he's gonna
need a year to learn this. I understand that. So
why are we giving Tom Brady excuses? He's the best

(02:24:11):
quarterback to ever play, but we're not gonna for Matt Stafford. Well, no,
there's not going to be any excuses for Matt. Does
doesn't need to gel with his fellow teammates. Doesn't he
need He's completely changing everything about his life. But we
were willing to say, hey, Tom Brady, he's gonna need
some time. The greatest quarterback of all time is gonna

(02:24:31):
need some time to work it out with the new team.
But Matt Stafford, this is this is your prove it moment.
By the way, I will give an example to actually
back up your point. And this is only because I
know all this crap. Fran Tarkington, Hall of Fame quarterback
who began his career with the expansion Vikings, they were
not a good team. They trade him to the New

(02:24:53):
York Giants, where they were not a good team, and
then he was traded back to the Vikings. The Vikings,
by that time, we're now a perennial playoff team, and
but they now got Fran Tarkington back. His first year
with the team, they missed the playoffs. They were a
five hundred team, and they're like, wow, you see Targetington
was a loser. They made they made the and they

(02:25:15):
I will never forget this because they were basically saying, Targe,
they did. They said, this guy, this guy, no matter
where he is, he is the problem. And then the
Vikings were in the Super Bowl three of the next
four years. Now they lost all those super Bowls, but
you know, at that point, uh it pre he proved
that if I have the right surrounding team, I can
get it done. So that's a point I can make.

(02:25:35):
He could be a Fran targeting or maybe he struggles
the first year, but down the road the Rams start
rattling off super Bowl appearances. There there are plenty of
examples of guys where their first stop didn't work out
great and they could have been with that team for
a while. Alex Smith is one of those guys. You know,
he was with the forty niners and he looked pretty
good at times, but he got beat out, beat out

(02:25:58):
by col Kaepernick, and then he was traded to the
Kansas City Chiefs and then he became a perennial playoff quarterback.
Now I'm not saying he was ever great to the
abilities of a Russell phenomenal. That's my point. Matt Stafford
in the second half of his or second act of
his career, I'm not going to discount, uh the fact

(02:26:20):
that He's done a lot of losing with Detroit and
the toll that may have taken on him as a
football player, But I am definitely not going to count
him out of the conversation that given some time in
this new system, learning how to gel with these players,
that this this team can't win with Matt Stafford, I
believe that they have a chance to win, and so

(02:26:41):
that's my belief until proven otherwise. I think that he's
a bright guy. I think he's got a big time
NFL arm. I think he's better than the environment he
was in, and over the next two seasons, I think
he's he's going to have to prove that. I don't
think next year he has to necessarily take this team
to the super Bowl, but over the next two seasons

(02:27:01):
he has to prove that. First five seasons as a starter,
Alex Smith had a record of nineteen and thirty one.
From that point on up through this season, eighty thirty
six and one. That's a hell of a Rex percentage.
All right, let's once again remind everyone we're live from
the Farmers Insurance Fox Sports Radio Studios. Call one eight

(02:27:23):
eight Farmers to switch. You could save a bundle on
your Auto Insurance. We welcome back, Ralph Irvan. What's trending
right now? Ralph? Well, first I do have to correct
Alex Smith wasn't beating out in San Francisco. He was
injured and then Colin Kaepernick led him on a Super
Bowl run. No, when he was uninjured, they didn't let
him take the team back. No, they got rid of him. Yeah,

(02:27:44):
that's my point. You got beating out by Colin Kaepernick
and he was never beaten out. Well, when you get
hurt and somebody takes your job, did you never have
a chance to compete? Four again? He got beat, he
got beat, He got beat in the off season. Well,
I guess the guy who takes over for J. J.
Watt beat out beat out J J. Watt for Well,

(02:28:07):
let me ask you just got just asked for his release.
He didn't get injured and then get get beat out
while he was on the side. Let me ask you this.
Did Tom Brady beat out Drew Blesso bless have got hurt,
Brady took over the job. They were never giving him
the job back. Same thing with Alex Smith. You're not
getting your job back after Kaepernick against Packers. Yeah, White

(02:28:29):
and bledso get another chance because Tom Brady is better. Well,
by the way, it's Drew Bledsoe's birthday today as well. Oh,
happy birthday, Drew about that. Indeed, my name is worst
days in Atland. Wow, I'm not gonna sit down and
I'm gonna speak up. As we go to number twenty

(02:28:51):
two Oil of Chicago, they have a forty two thirty
eight lead over Drake five eleven to play in the
second half of that contest. Earlier Number three with Michigan
came back to beat number twenty one Wisconsin fifty nine,
the Badger's fourth straight loss to a ranked team. P
G A tour action up at Pebble Beach. Nate Lashly

(02:29:12):
has taken the Leady's four hunder part through eleven holes
here in this tournament. Daniel Burger one shot back of
minus fift team, Patrick Cantley, Maverick McNeely, Jordan's speech, all
sitting now, two shots off the pace, and a final
in from the NBA where Washington snapped to two game
losing streak. They've beat Boston one oh four nine one.

(02:29:34):
Bradley be leading the way. He had thirty five points.
We'll send it back now to Steve Hartman and rich Hornberger.
H thank you, Ralph, you always appreciate it. Once again,
we're live from the Farmers in Sharonce. Fox Sports Radio
SDO is called one eight Farmers and you could save
a whole lot of something on your auto insurance. All right.
So the Daytona five hundred is going on right now,

(02:29:57):
by the way, if you're a big across the board
sports fan, I had the great opportunity to go to
Daytona to be there for the five consecutive years. But
of course Mr Nascar himself, Chris Myers. By the way,
when I got there with Chris, we were doing the
national show here Fox together. He ditched me the second
we got to dayton never saw him again. Like we're

(02:30:19):
there like the whole week. So you're hanging out with
like Richard Petty, the real people, right, you know, he
didn't want to you know, he's when he's there, he
was Mr Nascar, right, you know, the face of Nascar
and everything else. He didn't want to be seen with guy.
One thing that one thing about the Daytona Speedway, um
that is you really can't see on television is the

(02:30:42):
banking the track. It's unreal. I mean the terms. Yeah,
I'll put it this way. If you were to stand
at the base of the track and try to walk
up that, it would be like scaling a wall. It's
almost straight up. It's like a thirty five degree angle.
It's like this. It's crazy. It's extremely I went to
the Indianapolis the Brickyard. Yes, I kissed the bricks. We

(02:31:04):
went there when when we were there for the Super Bowl.
They let us just wander out on the track. It
was one of the coolest. We have like an event
there they have at the Indianapolis Speedway, which again you
have no idea the size of that place. It's like
a city within the city. Um their museum. Oh, it's
like one of the best because they've kept everything. I
was all the cars in the past and everything. I

(02:31:26):
went around that track doing about a hundred twenty. I
wasn't driving like that professional drivers, not like NASCAR drivers,
but guys with um with different brands of cars. I went.
I think I went around on in the new Camaro,
like the it was the Camaro that year and they
were doing They topped out at one twenty. But it

(02:31:47):
feels like you're in a space shuttle when you're driving
fast on a track because, like you said, when you
approached the turn, like they come in high and then
they dip down. It's the craziest feeling. I don't know
how you really get used that. I don't know. I
mean different breeds to say the least those get involved in. Uh,
do we have a do we have an accident? What
happened here? What's going on? All right? Let's hear what's

(02:32:09):
going on right now at the day town of five
hundred Oh no, old booming fours on the side. Remember
what I said, claied about twenty one cars. I don't
know if we got there, but man, that took out
a lot of race cars, and a lot of great

(02:32:29):
race cars in there. I know, Eric onto the front
ones up front, So anytime that happens up front, you're
gonna take out a lot of them. There's Jamie m McMurray,
all these cars stuck in that money rained down here overnight.
That is a dozen of destruction. All right. Let's bring
in Ralph Irvin right now. So from what I understand,

(02:32:51):
Ralph's sixteen cars involved in this crash. Yeah, and that
was in lap fifteen and as they were cleaning up,
then the thunderstorms came in lightning and rain, and that's
where they are. It's in raind lay right now. So
all the cars are covered up in Pittsbrow and there
are a lot of leaders are out of the race.
Six teen car crash and it's half the field. Okay, yes,

(02:33:14):
what's going on Understam? I chimed in a lot today.
I know you're talking a lot and that because of Valentine's. No,
I'm just feeling creative today. Did you guys see that
horrendous crash in fort Worth? Did you guys see that
pile up where six people pay? Yeah, you're talking about
on the on the freeway, Yeah, outside of fort Worth.
That was one of the worst things I've seen in
a long time. I don't know why I brought that,

(02:33:35):
just like they valatized day. Yeah, I know you have to. Yes,
did you see that? Did you see the Hendenburg? Did
you see then that thing went called Titanic? Try to
read the room. Have you heard about titan I mean
the boat split straight and a half, Sam, they didn't

(02:33:57):
have enough lifeboats for anyways. Anyways, by by your significant others,
some chocolates, flowers, Valentine's Let's stick on that yet Sam
is buying his Valentine Philly cheese steak. So yeah, just
by the way, it's very you want to talk about creativity,

(02:34:21):
What what is the inspiration for that? Did you have
a coupon? We were just wanting to go there. I'm like,
I'll go pick up some Philly cheese steaks. Well at
least at least says Okay, that was on the to
do list. It was, it was. It was a request.
You've celebrated many Valentine's Day slash your birthday with your
first girlfriend and fiance wife, mother of your children. Have

(02:34:43):
you ever had the urge to get cheese steak on
flat you know? And she ever begged for it? Come
one of those things? I was sitting I gladly and
on Valentine's Day. I don't know if we've ever had
them on Melance. It might leave a little lethargic. Yeah night,

(02:35:07):
well maybe yeah. All right, well this show needs some
strong recovery time right now. I need to digest that
and what else? Um, all right, we'll get you ready
for what's going to be a very interesting weekend sports
including pictures and catchers folks coming up next eight. First,
your laugh call on Farmers and you could save on

(02:35:30):
your auto insurance. What else are you gonna do with
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of things other people? Eight call one eight Farmers to
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changes on available every state. Steve Harbin and rich Arnburger
on Riches Big, Big Birthday Day. I want to thank
I was Sam. You never know what's gonna come out

(02:35:53):
of sas mouth. You know, it's amazing things I probably
should not have and I'm sorry about that. Okay, okay, okay,
I just like to talk about everything. Man. You guys
remember the bubonic plague I can't imagine, which actually curious
when you're chopping on that Philly cheesesteak, the romantic give
and take. On this very special Valentine's Day, I want

(02:36:16):
to remind everyone how many people die have food poisoning
every year. Yeah, good stuff. Great Ralph Irvin. He's consistent
with the microphone though. It is great to see Ralph,
who originally was supposed to enjoy a nice three day
weekend but got called into duty gascon was a little

(02:36:36):
under the weather. We're taught taking any chances around here,
but Ralph, we appreciate you jumping in. Good Man, good Man,
good Man. And then of course there's Gavin who also
who also has got a big, big, big Valentine celebration
minus the Philly cheesesteak. Yeah, there will not be that.
I was watching a great ESPN thirty for thirty the
other night last night, Yes, and it was the day

(02:36:59):
that O J happen. And it's an interesting one because
they don't have any narration. They just go through all
the TV broadcast. The Nicks are playing the Rockets, they
put it up on the screen garden and then all
of a sudden, about midway through the through the documentary,

(02:37:19):
Mr David Gascon gets to the front stage. There, David
Gascon from the Los Angeles Voice Parmament. Of course, this
is our update anchor. David Gascon's father chief of police
for l A p D back then. So I was like, man,
I can't get away from you, even on my off day. Yeah. Yeah,
and the gas Man we'll find you wherever you are

(02:37:40):
and he will haunt your dreams. Gavin. Yeah, um, I
would like to talk more O J, but it is
Valentine's Day, so we're trying to stare away from that
kind of conversational least for now. What is going on
in the print? You guys? Let me ask you how
much much are you guys building model airplanes? In? There
is the glue? F what are we getting to you?

(02:38:00):
There's a lot there, a lot there. I was watching
this great thing, oh Jay, you know, let's I just
couldn't get away from Gascon even when I wasn't Beautiful
romances only thirty Sundays until the NFL is back, guys,
That's all I gotta say. Yeah, we're losing it over here. Yeah,
we're gonna watch Titanic tonight, romantic movie. I'll never let

(02:38:27):
go Jack. By the way, I didn't get to ask
you specifically the aftermath of Tom Brady staggering off the
boat and looking like weekend at Bernie's, having to be
held up with the sunglasses. Marg. Yeah, the avarto somebody,
because I never I was asking people have you ever
heard of avocado tequila? And I've never heard of But

(02:38:51):
then some people were texting in saying there's something called
the avorta like a margharita, but it's an avaria it actually,
I mean, I love avoca let's put it this way. Yeah,
you put avocado and you find a way to put
together avocado and tequil. I'm interested interted, right, I mean
to me, are sort of like bacon. Like you know,

(02:39:11):
it's like where does it? Where's it bad? Put it on?
Ice cream? Put on? I put Yeah, speaking of Tom
Brady is a big fan of avocado ice cream. Yeah,
I knew that. Yeah, that that was a thing that
happened after I left New England. You know, there were
a lot of changes, like all of a sudden. You know,
he's got the self Health Health Recipe book. Yes, yeah,

(02:39:34):
I mean he never offered me any avocado. Well he
did seem to indicate though that he doesn't drink anymore.
Or but you said when at least when you were there, Well, yeah,
one of my favorite stories of all time was we
we were snowed in in Buffalo. We couldn't leave because, uh,
a terrible winter storm pummeled the northeast. So we had

(02:39:57):
just beaten Buffalo. I forget what's reason this was, but
we had just beaten Buffalo and we got snowed in
there and we clinched the division. So there was a
lot to celebrate there were no hotels in the Buffalo
area because there were a bunch of people who I
guess went to the games bought up all the hotel
rooms and then they weren't going anywhere either because of
the snowstorm. So we drove our buses to Rochester, shocked

(02:40:20):
up there, went to a dinosaur barbecue joint. The whole
offensive line and like took over like three tables in
this place and we're just drinking and having laughs. He
showed up and somebody said to me, because I can,
you know, down a beer pretty quick, somebody said to
me that he's he was the best on the team
or he's really quick. And me and him had a

(02:40:41):
little beer chug off and I won. Wow, I'm not
surprised by the way that you won that. Um, let
me ask you this because I was sort of joking
about it. Jisill mention. Um strikes me as well, obviously.
I mean, she's insanely successful, the most successful model in
the history of the world as far as earning money

(02:41:03):
over the years. Uh, and by all accounts, a great wife,
great mom. So but do you think that Gazelle who
is because she's a model, I mean appearances mean a lot.
And it's no secret that Tom Brady has done a
lot of things. He physically looks better now than he
did twenty years ago, and there could be a lot
of reasons for that. What do you think that she

(02:41:24):
might have been a little bit off put by his
public destroy display of or she laughing at what do
you think do you think he went home and maybe
she gave him like you mean, like fashion tips, well know,
like she's gave him a little scolding like really tomb No, no, no,
I don't think you know. I'll tell you what. One

(02:41:45):
of the things that happened when I was there one
year was Randy Moss through a Halloween party at an
old roller skating rink and so we all showed up,
everybody got dressed up, uh and it was hister like.
Belichick showed up like a pirate and his girlfriend dressed
like a woman pirate. Giselle I think, was dressed like

(02:42:09):
a cat. Tom I forget what he wore. Welker was
dressed in a speedoh that just said Brazil on the
butt um. It was hysterical. Everybody like got into it.
And I remember she showed up and she was pregnant
with either their first or second kid at the time,
and was delightful, Like you know, he was having some
drinks and some laughs and partying a little bit. So

(02:42:30):
she wasn't like she was cool. Yeah, I mean we
we know. A couple of years ago she was concerned
about him continuing in his football career. Now she seems
to say that you're okay. Well, I mean, the rules
have changed. It's a lot safer to play football at
that quarterback position than I ever used to be. They
don't get hit anymore. I don't know how many more

(02:42:52):
years are were gonna have Tom Brady around until he's
fifty maybe Well, happy thirty five to you read go
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