Mike Harmon and Geoff Schwartz Discuss The Pac 12's Big Win

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starts threw off a tiny bell. I was like, oh, am,
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Well we've worked together before, and I was I was like, oh,
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Just been able to say, Okaylla's go ahead. Have made
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of all, I hope everyone in Louisiana stays safe. I'm
seeing the coverage now. It doesn't look good, but hope
everyone can remain safe and get out of harm's way
if possible, and we'll keep you entertained, hopefully for the
next four hours. I look, I um, I'm just glad
football's back. And I like the this year. I like
the easy end of football, right. I think college football

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stinks up on us because all of a sudden's like, boom,
it's here. We don't get you know, there's no there's
no open practices almost ever anymore. There's no preseason obviously,
and yesterday we got a little bit of a taste, right,
and then next week we get sixty five games, so
a little bit of a taste, and then boom, we're
often running next weekend. But I was, I'm happy it's back.
You know. We we do all this, at least for us.

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We do all this work, right, and and a lot
of our workers around football, and we do months and
months and months where no football happens, and then boom,
now we're here. And uh, I think we have four
hours of football talking about I don't know what else
we would Yeah, no, I mean, look, we can talk
about gen Rondo coming back to the lakes. Maybe if
you want, we can get into that. Uh, you can
talk about pen and chases whatever. No, I think people

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watched a little bit of Hit, and I think they're good.
To be fair, Giants are still the best team in basement.
It is pretty amazing. You. We could start there for
a minute before we we we dovetail into because let's
let's face it. If you go down that lineup, uh
and just start reading off names and you look at it,
it's like it's not a star driven team. And so
it's a great throwback to a lot of teams right

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where it's all right, this guy's got twenty home runs
and a d r v S. There's your there's your leader. Uh.
In terms of offensive stat categories, you know, Crawford doing
what he's doing. But then you have four or five
guys who aren't much off that piece. Right, It is
a team effort night after night, and and really no
superstar that you're hanging your hat on, which I think

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in this day and age, given the eye popping contracts, right,
that's what gets people salivating. Right, we got star power,
the all stars, the big flaws, whatever else. I mean,
look it down here in southern southern California, right, we
look at the Dodgers, right, a lot of stars, a
lot of star power. But you go to Anaheim. You've
got Anaheim and they've had a decade of Mike Trout,
who's had the only meaningful swings he's taken have been

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an All Star Games to win trucks. And now you've
got the show Hey Otani, who's a monster. But again
outside of ohow hey Otani giveaway nights, which they keep
going to the well on, I think they've had like
four different T shirt days at this point, trying to
make sure people keep coming to the ballpark. Another guy
who he's not playing meaningful baseball. So yeah, star power

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is great, but you still want to win the game.
You still want to win the game obviously. And you know,
the Giants have ten guys I think with over ten
home runs, um, and they have no one over twenty one,
and that's Mikeya Stremski throw class name obviously to forty
or two thirty or something even worse than I thought

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I might have hit him at the high point when
I undred and four times this year. Um, they have
the stats pull up here. Yeah, they're just they're just
they're just every night, different guys doing it. And I
think offensively, what they're doing, um is pretty special. And
it's because they see a lot of pitches. I think
they're second in baseball now pitches per plaint appearance. And

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they just wait for their pitch. They wait for their
pitch and they don't miss when they when when they
it's a little smoking like fifteen pinsion home runs. That's
not normal. Um. You know some pictures on one year
deals that are there, you know, pitching out their minds,
whether it's it's Alex Wood or whether it's Logan Web
or whether it's it's a it's Gossman like. It's it's
been fun, but as a Giants fan, it just as

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odd to have eight four wins and only be up
two and a half games in division. You think that
because we're we're seventeen games up in the wild card
like we were to drop the Dodgers seventeen game cushion.
Uh So, it's been a lot of fun to watch
baseball this year. We have some day baseball today obviously
on Sunday, but it does not overshadow my excitement for football.
But back, no, absolutely not. And I'm look, I'm a

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Chicago kid, Southsider, So what the White Sox are doing now,
certainly they're but owing to that that you can tie
those two teams together and the city of Chicago as
a whole, because I can transition this back to football
really easily. Is the you know what Tony Larusa, people
were mad at him back in April and May when
he'd call for bunts and like what like eventually we're
gonna need to be at manufacturer run. Like old school

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baseball can still work in a world as much as
people may hate to admit it. Now they slug the
hell out of the ball most nights, so it's you know,
kind of there are many nights where those things are
never entering a manager's mind. But I take to your point, right,
pinch hit home runs and some of these statistical anomalies
goes back to, you know, the Bear's success when they

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made the run to the Super Bowl to lose the
Peyton manning in the rain and everybody remembers the Prince
halftime show, But you had an inordinate number of turnovers
that bounced the right way and had defenders running back
into the end zone. And the magnificent statistical anomaly of
the dominance of Devin Hester when you're looking at you know,

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one year returns, not just the touchdowns, but also just
the way the field got changed that year. That you
can't do that consistently. You you try to, and you
scheme to that, but the ball doesn't bounce your way
every year the same way to where you're getting all
those special teams TDS. I had a big fight with
Tom Rathman at a celebrity fantasy football thing at one

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point over this where it was like, he, you know,
all these people paid this money to come, and you've
got all these luminaries from the Bay Area when I
was living up and working for Yahoo. Right, So you've
got Jerry Rice, he's got a team, Michael Irvin came
in and he's got a team, and Rathman like guys
all over, and you've got Silicon Valley people that had
paid like twenty grand a draft with these guys. It

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was great, and I'm there to to critique the picks.
And in the second round, the first pick, the he
tells you, all right, we're gonna pick the Bears, and
what do you think of that? I looked at him,
I go, what are you doing? Tom? You've been in
this game a long time, it's like, is that going
to happen again? Are all of those things, those convergence
of circumstances gonna happen again? And he looked at me, goes,

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you're right, that's like, all right, can we let them
change the pick? And it became a very big controversy
given the amount of money that had been spent to
be in that room. But this is a good lesson
about about sports, right, and and fan bases hate when
we talk about the things that are sustainable on their team, right,
a lot of this you know, we're going back to football,
but you know, but in basebook, like as a Giants fan,

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this is kind of a strike like a strike at
hot year because it's not gonna happen next year. We're
supposed to supposed to be a tear down yere right,
and a rebuild here. And it does worry me as
a fan and someone who who does analyze sports that
you know that this is kind of like it gets
the playoffs and oops, we actually need to play some
really good baseball. We don't have those dudes, right, and
or we make a run like the Rockies did in

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oh seven? Right, you win? You your rumble through the
playoffs and and the Red Sox just just sweep you
in the World Series, like we we're not good enough.
I don't think without star part Now, Chris Bryan's obviously
helped us, and Posey's there and Crawl and we have
some stars. But for the most part, we've had a
lot of production from players that I haven't done that
in on On the football side, when we talk about

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which teams can win and lose, you have to look
at factors like turnovers every year, right, because turnovers tend
to even out over the years. Injuries, uh, injuries even
out over the years, and just general luck, right, things
bouncing your way, fumble recoveries, how many you know, you know,
and we look at that and people don't like that
that did you analyze the game like? But that matters

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year and year out. That's why for me, it's always
about quarterbacks, Right, is your quarterback good enough that that's
the first start? Can your quarterback do it or not?
And people don't like to hear that. They think that
this is the year everything comes together, and it can.
It can come together like that for one year, but
those teams often do not actually win the Super Bowl, right,
and ends up being the superstar quarterback who's making the
superstar plays that can win. And everyone turns the Patriots

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and they're always like, oh, the Patriots. The Patriots is
the outlier. Guys, there has not been in dynasty like
that NFL history to have to to basically two dynasty runs, right,
two separate in twenty years, So stop using them as
the example, and fans it's and look, that's our job
right to tell him, at least I think it is,
tell him how it is. I don't mind if you
don't like me. I'm a type. I'm gonna tell you

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how it is. And and people have a hard time
doing that. And and you know, in regards to Giants,
like I'm trying to tell myself the same thing, like, oh,
you know, this is not sustainable, but then I keep winning.
It's like you kind of suck. I get it sucks
you in to thinking that your team, your favorite team,
can defy the odds. If the Giants and Dodgers playing
the postseason, the Dodgers have the superstar pitchers, the superstar hitters.

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They have guys that in big moments typically can rise up.
Do the Giants have that? And that's to your point,
about the Bears and the Colts. Paid Manny was on
one side and Rex gross From was on the other side.
Of course, the Bears, we're gonna win that game. It's
what this wasn't gonna happen, super Bowl quarterback Rex Grossman.
The heart flutters. But you know, and as we talk
about your your ian's talking about the beginning of college football, right,

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people wake it up yesterday, handful of games. But you know,
the butterflies are there, Cope springs eternal. Right. It goes
to the old Shawshank redemption line. Right, I hope is
the best of things, you know, or it can be
the worst of things, depending on your perspective. But you're
coming into a new season and as much as you
may think you know, it takes one play to change everything. Right,

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We'll talk about the Ravens, We'll talk about the preseason
and all of that. As the show goes on. The
football gods are obviously angered with me because I'm a
big J. K. Dobbins guy, and well, after last night,
I'll be looking at him. But it's just the the
idea of when the ball kicks off, you have no
idea what you're gonna see. And we saw that, you know,

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with the Illinois Nebraska game, right thirty two some odd
special teams play. Uh. I don't know who trained guys
how to field punts, but that one's gonna live. And
that's on the highlight of don't do this forever and
ever and two p a t misses by your reigning

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conference kicker of the year. Uh, the fifty two and
a half over under Jeff came in at UH came
in at fifty two because the two right now it
was hit righte the number. UM. I liked Illinois plus seven, Yeah,
because you know, for for a couple of reasons. One is,
I mean Bilma, I think it's a good coach. He
just he just kind of had a bad run. It's

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hard to win Arkansas, Like it's just hard run. Well,
they'll get relegated in the in the new super conferences.
Well that eventually, and I would actually love some relegation. Um.
But more it's it's kind of an anti Scott Frost.
I mean, Scott Frost has not been a good coach
in Nebraska. And you know, he was an organ for
a time and he was there with Chip right and
Chip ran in that offense not really Scott Frost goes
he goes to UCF and he kind of has the

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leftover team that was there. Um, you know, they have
really one good season. I don't think even one. He's
even won thirteen games in Nebraska. Yet I'm like, he
he just and so he just and and he just
I am. I am very much against the idea of
hiring a Nebraska guy, a USC guy, a Michigan guy.

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It doesn't work. Okay, it does not work. You need
to hire the best coach for the job, all right.
And I think these schools Nebraska, USC, Texas and Texas,
I think actually finally did the right thing. Um, Michigan, Tennessee.
They always trying to hire these you know, the the
Tennessee coach, the Nebraska coach. Hire the best coach. That's

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to give you the best chance to win. Hiring the
guy that that you think can do it but really
hasn't proven it. It doesn't magically happen, right, And so
these these schools are stuck in the past. They're worried
about hiring the you know, the next hire the best coach.
Hire the best coach, right, Pete Carroll was not a
USC guy before you hired him. Not now that just
keep trying to hire Pete Carroll. Guys, you know what

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I mean, Hire the best coach. Don't have to hire
the Michigan man. That doesn't help anything. Recruits do not
care about that. And we're seeing in in Nebraska now
where he can't win, he cannot recruit very well. And
schematically they're not very good. Martinez is not very good
at quarterback. They're just not good football team. Yeah, there's
another relegation idea, although since now they're in the Alliance,

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it doesn't matter because now you're just shuffling between parts
of the same entity. But Frost had this after the
game quote, we keep doing the same things. It looked
like the same movie. I told the players it can't
be the same movie. I would just put my hat
on the microphone and just walk out after that. Like,
if that's your quote after your season opener, you've already

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waved the white flag, right right, that's his team. You're
talking about the team that you're in charge of. You're
in charge of that team. That's your fault. Like, do
you realize that, right? You had every opportunity to make
changes right and adapt, and you did not. The other electrical.
Let's go to the positivity for the Pact twelve, because
we got we're up against it here in a couple

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of minutes in this opening. Look, we got four hours.
We we get to flex this however we want. Jeff,
that's the beauty of this kind of of space. On
a Sunday morning, Fox Sports Sunday, Mike Carmen alongside Jeff
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on Twitter at Jeff Schwartz. He went viral, You went viral.
We'll talk about that take a little bit later on.
But u ce l a in front of an announced
crowd of almost thirty three thousand. Yeah, that's pretty good, right.
I like that reaction. It was a hundred degrees in
the valley. Whatever you say. Whatever, I am. My my

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parents are Bruna Lum's all right. I have been too.
I think I looked the other day, like fifty brun games,
right that right? That many? Yeah? We we we we have
we have we had season tickets. Maybe because we've had
season tickets my apparent since nine seven I went to
every game from when I was five to eighteen years old,
every home game, So that's six a year, five a year.

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I mean, the only time we ever missed was like
my bar mitso was in the summer. Like that was
that we never we never missed game. We went to
every game, every every every home game for from five
to eighteen. I've been to a couple of games since then.
So I know oregan very well where we went to
we went to school, but I don't you saw it
just as well. And yesterday was was surprising, even as
a U c. L A fan, the lack of of

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support for the program. And I get it, they have
not been very good the last couple of years. It's Hawaii.
No one cares about Hawaii. It's a pandemic. You right,
it's a hundred grees outside, but there might have been
ten thousand fans in a hundred thousand feet rose bowls.
Legitimately that that looks like I can't do the full
head count. I got other things to do. But trying

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to claim there's thirty three thousand, uh, you're you're not
fooling anybody. We saw the overhead shots and and it's
interesting because you know, we're in this this part of
college football and really college sports of kind of upheaval
and turmoil and things are changing very quickly. And you know,
we look at who adds value who doesn't, and it's
just a bad look for the path towel of conference

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for that. But but a good look is usil A
blowing out Hawaiian as they should like. That's yards on
the ground, towns and and and then you know they
basically shut it down in the middle third quarter. They
they took out their quarterback. And people we'll always say
when there's a blowout, Oh, they're supposed to do that,
Yeah they are, Yes, yes, exactly right. Good teams blow

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out bad teams. They're e supposed to do that. That's
exactly right. So yes, you can celebrate a blowout because
that's what's supposed to happen, right, Good teams are supposed
to beat the bad team. We talked about the the
Giants to open the show at baseball. They're sixteen and
two against the Diamondbacks. Not that they're supposed to do.
You're supposed to beat the bad teams if you're a
good team. And so U c. L A. I love

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to see if they were owing six and in the
non conference slate, with with with with Chips so far
now they played better teams in Hawaii, but but that's
what it's supposed to do. And they dominate on defense,
special teams. They scored such teams, scoring on defense, scoring offense.
Like I love to see the Bruins go out there
and dominate an opponent, especially with a look ahead game

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to l s u uh six days from now. Well
that's it. Just come out and take care of business
and then you can go back to work on the
big opponent come into town. Let's forget the look ahead,
you know, go and and pound the opponent, because, let's
face it, Chip's got a lot of a lot of
folks at the door looking for looking at him, much
like we're talking about Scott Frost going back to the

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the Nebraska game momentarily to tie those two together, and look,
the seats are hot, and what do we do in
the media Wherever there's an opening and a big time job,
we start speculating. And certainly Chip Kelly with all the
other competition in town, it takes a lot to break through.
It does take a lot to break through. Um, and

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he's not as visible as as USC is and look,
I never expect there to be a sellout crowd unless
U c l A shows. I'm saying, unless USC is there,
and look, L s U, they'll they'll bring out. You know,
I don't think it'll be full because the students aren't
in town yet. I mean, but they'll be seventy thousand
probably in the Rose Bowl on Saturday. Um. But you know,
Los Angeles, it's a town that that if you're winning,

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will come out and watch you. If you don't, they're
not gonna come out. And you see what I can show.
And I do think they beat LSU. I'll tell you
right now, I think they beat ls U. Um, if
they can beat l s U kind of start this
path uh down some more winning. They have a tough
patchul schedule this year, but they start doing this to
people show up to the games. It's that simple. And um,
it looked back for the Pack tel of last night

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to not have a full stadium, but would look great
for the Pack to a dominant performance, especially in the
trenches on defense for U c l A. As as
you know, Uh, nobody talks about offensive lines more on
this network perhaps than I do, because I'm a big
nerd because I think that rules fantasy football as much
as people may not like it. So I'm glad to
have an offensive lineman work with me today. We'll be

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getting into a lot of that as we start to
prognosticate this NFL season. Are good thoughts with the people
in Louisiana Again, it's the sixteenth anniversary of Hurricane Katrina.
As Ida looks to make landfall, so we'll keep an
eye on that, give you any information as it flows.
Coming up next, we moved down to Florida, where we've

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got some chaos and Urban Meyer already has people scratching
their heads as he sends the backup quarterback out of town.
That's next. Fox Spards Sunday Mike Armen, Jeff Schwartz and you,
welcome back in. It's Fox Sports Radios. Fox Sports Sunday,
Mike Karmen alongside Jeff Schwartz. Happy to be with you.
LaVar Arrington off this week getting some R and R

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and maybe already at the grill. That's what he does. Uh,
Jeff and I will go through the NFL and and
a lot of prognostication. Why we're both excited. We watched
our handful of games yesterday, I know you're already readying
for this or in Fresno State game, tailgating has begun
it I mean, Fresno put a herd on a new

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calling yesterday. I don't know how much I could take
into that, so uh, nothing your final there. But yes
it is yukon twenty and a half. The current line
in sixty one and a half, the over under, it's
it's a lot um But and again Organ has that
look ahead game because they play Ohio State week two.
But this team is very focused. The Organ look, they're

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very good. The quarterback position is still the one that's like,
you know, I mean, Anthony Brown is okay, I guess um,
I wish one of the young guys was able to
win the job. But but I get it. Um, if
they were their quarterback away from me, a playoff team essentially,
I mean, if if one of the young guys is
ready to play now, they be a playoff team. But no,
it might happen next year. But it's still that excitement

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of just starting to think about what the season can be.
I'm just I'm like a giddy little kid. I gotta
be honest. I've put so much attention to the House
State game. I just want to beat Fresno by one point.
I don't care how you beat Fresno. We just cannot
lose to Ohio State and we're gonna be ten eleven
pound dogs. I get it, Ohio State. I'm tired of
of saying we almost want a game like we oh oh,

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we almost want No. I want us to win a
game we're not supposed to win, like Ohio State. Just
one time, please, organ. So I'm like, I'm so like
already um into like week that Week two game. I
love it. Well, you know you you succeed in for
a seed, right, the John Calipari line comes to college football,

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take care of business and then advanced to the next
big thing on this light. I'll be excited because I'll
be either jubilant and over the moon on Friday night
when I host alongside Jason Smith because my beloved Northwestern
Wildcats with a Friday game against Michigan State Wildcats near
two touchdown favorite. Now one, how do you how do
you feel about the conference opening with a conference game.

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I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I've done it before.
Actually in college we put stand for a week one,
But I don't know if I like that. No, I
I get it. It's it's kind of like the NFL
doesn't need to make a bunch of marquee matchups for
week one, but you do it. And that's what I
feel like it like it is here, it's like we
need to make a splash. We've got these national TV
windows that we can jump in and steal, so let's

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let's put the conference games first. I get it. Business
Trump Saul, and that's what we're talking about with the
Alliance and the battle coming up against the SEC and
all that other stuff. But do I like it? No,
Because then you look at the schedule thereafter You've got
Indiana State, Duke and in Ohio. In theory, that's supposed
to be what your preseason is, so you know you

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can't afford the the letdown a week one, and you
never expect that with Pat Fitzgerald. But football is a
funny game. Sometimes it is a funny game, and um,
I think that's that's why we love it. Right, It's
be so unpredictable, especially in college with the emotion of
of these college kids, that can be very unpredictable. Well,
in the turnover right, because you've got a guy, no
matter how highly heralded he is. I know Brian and

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Andy before us, they were having a big fight amongst
themselves over you know how accountable guys doing prognostications should be.
You know the specifically they were talking about draft analysis
and guys like mel Kiper as to what players become,
and you, you know, you do prognostications and and Gaming

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Picks will do those on Sundays as we get closer,
and we always have Todd Firm and our buddy Uh
comes on and we talk about odds and everything else.
So we do that and we know that if you're
at fifty five or higher, you're you're a prognostication god
in the in the gambling world, right, because one player,
like we said, with that Nebraska Illinois game, everything could

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go right in your favor, and then you get that
back door looks like it's wide open, and then he
misses a kick and suddenly it swings shut on you again.
So it's all of those, uh, the the game of inches.
And look, going back to the Kuiper thing, the the
easiest argument was I can't predict how well a system
is gonna work and whether there's competency in the coaching
and outing class, you know, reports in each of those

(24:04):
NFL front offices, because we'll talk about some of the
mistakes being made as this show goes on. Jeff, you
know that all too well. Yeah, well look, I mean
you well, I mean, look, you know the competent teams
right when they're good or not. Um. But it's it's
the unknowns, right, You're not quite you're not quite sold
on um. So that's you know, that's kind of just

(24:26):
part of of fending out the first couple of weeks
of the season. UM. And that's why you know. But
but I'll tell you what though, if you know, especially
in college football, like I'm a Pactolve guy, I do
packed over radio Monday through front. I know the Pactol
conference pretty well, and I do I do very well
gambling on the Pack twelve more than any other thing
I do, because I just followed it's my it's my
job right by today that that's how you make money.

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Way joins, you find a conference or two. Because the
NFL is so sharp, it's hard to find edges in
the NFL. But I just think the lines that packed
Over off so earned the season I do really well.
And then when things kind of home back in, right,
when people figure out what teams are good or not. Um,
then you know it's more of a struggle, right, and yeah,
that line sharpens out. There's not as much fat and
noise in the numbers. Like I'll tell you right now,

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like Organ State going to produce the game seven points.
I already wager on Organ State that that's not. Come on,
like they're not Organ State can can play a little
bit um, you know, stuff like that. So um, you know,
like USC is getting is laying sixteen and a half
against San Josee State. I need to do a little
more research on that one. But I feel like Sanaze's
taken cover that game. So things like that. It's a

(25:30):
lot of points in cera situations. But then you know,
later in the year it gets sharper, so you have
to figure out your way. When are your little edges
in games? I love it. We already got a couple
of picks in the books. I'll just keep a log
of these, uh and then maybe or maybe not, I'll
be logging into my account uh and just jumping on
Jeff's back to carry me to greatness. Let's kick it

(25:51):
over to Isaac Loan kron Uh for an update on
watch Trevor going on in our sporting world, and we'll
get back into Jacksonville in a moment. I Low, Mike
and Jeff. Were you guys just talking about account of
people in sports media being held accountable for the things
that they say. You saw how much time you saw?
Much time we gave it? Oh my gosh, Heaven forbid

(26:16):
those of us in the sports media be held accountable
for things we say, particularly predictions coming out of drafts
and just any prediction. We mean, I'm just looking at
the NFL draft for example, don't you go down that
path there? That's why I pivoted to the NBA draft,

(26:36):
because I because I knew my audience in this one.
We'll actually get back to the NFL and talk about
the Baltimore Ravens. A lot of their fans, guys nervous
today because they're running back JK. Dobbins is having test
today after he was carted off the field with a
left knee injury in Saturday's thirty seven to three victory
over the Washington football team. One side note, The Ravens
victory was their twentieth consecutive preseason win, setting an unofficial

(27:01):
NFL record. That's right, and it breaks the record of
the Green Bay Packers, who won nineteen straight preseason games
from nineteen fifty nine to nineteen sixty two under Vince Lombardi.
That's a competitor the Tampa Bay Buccaneers one at Houston
twenty three to sixteen. But the bigger story, why in
the world was Tom Brady playing? But if you're gonna play,

(27:23):
you might as well play well, and he did. He
completed eleven and fourteen for one fifty four and a touchdown.
Same thing for Kyle Trask's well about a fourteen for
one six at a touchdown. In Major League Baseball on Saturday,
the Dodgers scored three in the bottom of the eighth,
beat the Colorado Rockies five to two. Giants shut out
the Braves in Atlanta five did nothink. So San Francisco
remains two and a half up on the Dodgers. In

(27:43):
the NL West, Angels over the Padres ten to two.
San Diego's lost thirteen of sixteen. Finally, Ross Dellinger of
Sports Illustrated just reported that the l s U football
team has just arrived in Houston where they're gonna stay
and practiced this week because of Hurricane Ida. Dellinger reports
that l s use convoy if team busses took more
than ten hours to make what's normally a four hour

(28:03):
trip because of all the traffic evacuating from Hurricane Ida's path. Michael,
Jeff back, do you thank you? Ilo. We'll go off
the rails with Ilo in an hour from now at
Isaac Loowan crowd where you find him on Twitter, Find
me over at Swollen Dome, find Jeff at Jeff Schwartz
and we're having fun with you here. We'll turn to
the NFL. We'll get back into that ravens uh one

(28:24):
running back, but the other the twenty game winning streak
in a couple of minutes, but you got Gardner. Minshew
gets shipped out to Philadelphia conditional sixth round pick. He'd
taken a bunch of snaps, like when does showcasing go
wrong in terms of trying to give him some snaps
versus taking snaps away from Trevor Lawrence. Although watching that
offensive line, Jeff, we talked about it a lot. He

(28:48):
he took what was at five straight hits on five
straight dropbacks. And then you're trying to assess the tape
to see how much of that is a quarterback holding
onto the ball and not being ready to get through
his progression quickly versus you know, how much do you
grade the old line? Whatever the case, maybe uh, they
ship him out. So it's the question of all right, Trevor,

(29:08):
it's your job. But also in Philadelphia that had been
linked to Deshaun Watson a lot. But I've been asking
the question to all along how much they believed in
Jalen Hurts, And maybe I got a little bit of
my answer here. Yeah, it's you know, the you can
tell in trades like this how mismanaged teams are right,
because you know, if you gave Jalen Hurts, you know

(29:32):
it's it's his time to figure it out. But you
passed on a lot of quarterbacks in this past draft
that have generational type talent right to stick with Jalen Hurts,
And now you've traded for a player who is not
Jalen Hurts by the way, different play style, and it's like, well,
why didn't you just do this in the draft? Right?
You kind of weren't honest with yourself about hurt If

(29:53):
you're already bailing Hurts. Now, why couldn't you bail on
him in April right or early mayone? Yeah? What it really? Yeah?
What what set it off differently here? Because like we
do a lot of the prognostication, and we talked about it,
and certainly I've been doing fantasy football drafts and an
analysis going on twenty years, Jeff, and people would ask

(30:14):
me about hurt So I'm like, yeah, I like it
for when he's gonna be on the field. But I
don't think even before the trade, I was nervous. And
that's even with Joe Flacco as his backup, nervous that
they pull the plug out him at some point. And
and uh, look so they have now a backup, a
viable backup in Philly. So you know, we'll see what's

(30:34):
not really competition right now because Gardner Minshew wasn't there
for the preseason, so you know, at some point this
year maybe he'll play. Plus Caldwell, who drafted Minshew in
UH in Jacksonville's now up in Philly, so he knows
Gardan Minshew very well, so that might play a role
in this, uh moving forward. But getting back to Mitch's
old team, Um, I don't know if Urban knows what

(30:55):
he's doing. Um, So you draft Trevor Lawrence with the
first pick overall and you split reps with him, not split,
but you give Garden Minshew reps with the ones early
in camp. It's a quarterback competition. No, No, one's not Urban.
It's not college Garda Manshrew's not not transferring if you
if you don't give him reps with the ones, right,

(31:17):
he's stuck on your team. Um, you drafted Lawrence for
a reason. There's no point in pretending there's a quarterback competition.
It doesn't give the Houston Texans you're playing Week one
any sort of lean on what's happening with your team.
And you need to make the franchise about Trevor Lawrence.
He can handle it. You know people were when Tebow
was signed, Oh, Trevor Lawrence needs a distraction. I go.

(31:39):
Trevor Lawrence was the one who was front facing trying
to get college football played last season. He doesn't need
a distraction. He's a mature quarterback. He's very mature. He
does not need to be to have a distraction to
to let him do his job. And I know people
will say well, it doesn't matter, Minshew only got X
amount of reps. It's the mindset that matters, right, It's

(32:02):
the mindset of a college coach coming to the NFL
still thinking that these competitions matter. They do not matter, Okay,
especially when you draft I get Okay, we'll get the
Bears on a second in the forty niners. Those are
actual competent You have any Adulton who has played good football,
Jimmy Garoppol who led team of Super Bowl minshow is
nine of those guys yet? So there should be no
reason for competition whatsoever. And I just I the way

(32:26):
Urban is running his team so far, it just concerns
me that he doesn't quite understand the NFL yet. And
mind he's never coached. I've never been assisting in the NFL,
never anything in the NFL. Yeah, we'll go through the
laundry list of what was a curious offseason. Look the
Tebow's when we talked about it in our show, Jason
Smith and I and and and and maybe you disagree,

(32:47):
like Tebow was a thing like media latch down to,
but I just found it funny in all of this
that up until the snaps against New Orleans the other day.
We didn't talk about Trevor Lawrence really much at all.
He just got to go to work. And it wasn't
a matter of Tebow. It wasn't a matter of really
much of anything else. It's just everybody just presumed, and

(33:09):
I think rightfully so, that Lawrence was going to get
the job. Like you mentioned fields, you mentioned, you mentioned
Trey Lance, you go up to New England and talk
about mac Jones, like there's more more on the plate
for us in all these other situations. So we didn't
say that's part of everyone's like, well, well, well the

(33:30):
tebow thing worked. It was no one cares about Jacksonville
started winning a little bit and we'll start caring about you.
We didn't even talk about Tebow until he missed those blocks. Yeah,
and so it's it's nobody cared, but I mean nobody cared.
It was. It was It's like people that were complaining
when he was in the Mets minor league system. Look
if the if prospect three seven didn't get extra at bats,

(33:52):
who the hell loss? That guy was gonna be out
of baseball anyway. But that was ridiculous. He didn't the
base They generated some money either, like the most they
would have been any of those other guys. The baseball
in NFL thing, I think are different situations. Because he
was taking away at bats in trip away from someone
who was trying to make the big leagues like that
was that was that was bad. He's not taking away

(34:14):
reps in the NFL from someone who's making the team.
That's the difference in my opinion, right, I mean, he's
he was never making the big leaues. He wasn't even
he didn't even deserve to be a triple he had
he had some decent power numbers at double A and
and again you're barely but well that was when he
hit the ball, Jeff, Yeah, because because that was the
larger thing it was the contact rate was a problem.

(34:37):
So so that's what. But back to Urban, Um, you know,
I started from the draft, right, he drafts He drafts
Travis e t n at Clemson when he hasked James
Robinson a quarterback at running actually, which is just he
just had a massive rookie year. And then and then
he says, well he's our third guy on running back. Hey, herbs,
you get you get seven draft picks every year roughly, right,

(34:58):
you can't spend one on the first round on a
third down running back. Sorry to let you know, he says,
he's not your fifth five start and you have it
running back, right, that's not what this is. You can't
waste to pick on a on a third every right now. Unfortunately,
Travisy Tim's out for the season, so that looks even
stupider draft of running back in the first round. Um,
the court not Urban's fault. He got hurt, but he
wasn't even playing very much in the preseason. Wasn't running

(35:19):
with the ones telling you that because James Robinson is
very good, that's why. Um. And then you you know
you you you bring a tebow which was a stupid disaster.
And then just some of the comments he's made about
the quarterback competition and on the silence, he looks like death,
like he looks just miserable, and it's like, dude, it's
a preseason. Um, you know you have a long season ahead.
You can't show your emotions like this. It's just it's all.

(35:42):
It just doesn't look like it should have. Jack's looks
a little bit too big. Maybe he'll come back and
he'll be the head of the alliance. On the other side.
We got all the other missteps from Irvan Meyer. Uh
the Chronicle. We didn't even get through all of them, Jeff,
not even close. Uh. As to what the off season
has been at Jeff Schwartz on Twitter to find me
over at small and coming up next, I want to
circle back to that Ravens twenty game winning streak. We

(36:05):
talked about culture and trying to build everything you know,
college pro and what it's all about and whether this
really matters. And since I've got a guy who was
in the league for eight years, why not ask him?
We'll do that next. On Fox, I was watching Justin Reed.
He just kicked again. That was good. Yeah, I had
the game up on an old game pass here. Um,

(36:27):
is that not the best value in all of sports? Well? Yes,
but they've they were held all twenty two from us
this year, so that's been a lot. So so far,
is that going to be gone? Because if that's gone,
then uh, well they supposed to be back for the season.
But I have I had luckily, I have other ways
that I've secured some films necessary. Um, but yeah, I

(36:47):
mean like I'm like, they like the condensed game from
last time, just fast. I just want to watch the
Bucks play. Just fast forward into the Bucks offense, because
I like, I know some of those guys and the
first play the game, their center Ryan Jensen, Um, who's
the meanest person there is on the field. He just
baptized the middle linebacker. He blitz in the first I
just tweeted out, completely baptized him. He threw he took
his hand in his throat and just threw him right

(37:08):
to the ground. Unbelievable. Um, So it thanks you get
all the fields, doesn't it do that? And so I like,
you know, I like to watch certain offenses and just
and look, we don't have enough time to get into
this now, but I love to talk to you about
kind of the value of the preseason because we have
a lot of veteran coaches and players that play a
lot in the preseason that we have a bunch of
younger coaches that refuse to play their guys in the preseason.

(37:29):
And it's really a dynamic that's quite fascinating to me,
and and I love to get into it a little bit.
We have a little more time, how about we do
that coming up about ten minutes, Okay, perfect here on
Fox Sports Radio. There's what you call a tease in
the old radio buses. That's the beauty of the four hours, Jeff,
whatever I I sent out earlier, you know, way early morning,

(37:50):
we can just shred it and talk about whatever the
hell we want. Fantastic, it's a beautiful thing. But let's
just go really quickly to the Ravens in this twenty
game streak, right, we talked about teams and building culture
and expectations, and let's face it, there's a handful of
teams in the NFL that where their longevity, they don't

(38:10):
have big turnover. We look at Baltimore, we look at Pittsburgh,
we look at New England where things are stable, and
then there's other teams aspiring to that. And with Baltimore
in this twenty game winning streak, from the outside of
looking into me, it's I think it's important, but maybe
I I over emphasize it. What say you? Okay? The
most important part about this win streak because they've covered

(38:34):
eighteen games. Good Man, good Man, there nicely done. Um
they I mean, look, I think even more recently, the
reason why they cover these games is because their offense
is indefensible from third string defensive guys. Right, I mean like,
no one is the third string, second third string of
any team they're playing. Who they play last night, Washington

(38:55):
is the second and third stringers on Washington are not
preparing for this offense. It's not what the it's not
what the Washington football team runs in practice. So then
they get in this game and they're like, oh, here's
an offense I've never seen before, maybe I saw in college,
and they don't want to stop it. That's that's why
I think recently they won a lot of these games

(39:16):
now going back to fifteen and sixteen, and it could
just be a run. But we we also see two
that defensive coaches and Zimmer this year is has been bad,
but Carol and Tomlin, and Ron Rivera, and and and
and John Harbor who is not defing but non offensive coach.
They love to win preseason games. And because their defensive minded, right,

(39:38):
they want to hit and tackle and get after guys.
Offensive coaches just want to get their working and go
home well, which is actually important because you don't get
to hit and defend and tackle and practices like you
used to even ten years in. These defensive guys, man,
they like they want to win these games and like
the offensive guys, don't really care. Succeed and proceed, bubble
wrap guys, and be ready for Week one. We'll get

(39:59):
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coaches the young coaches and trying to find that balance
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It came in. I was getting nervous for a second
again that I was gonna have to Shy, the Big
Voice guy, my Carmen, Jeff Schwartz in with you today
on a Fox Sports Sunday, Jeff eight Years in the League,

(41:08):
Pack twelve to Day Serious XM Channel three seventy three,
and the podcast Jeff Schwartz is Smarter than You Saturdays.
You hear him alongside Steve Hartman. See you get more airtime?
I think here and I don't have a lot of
U c l A. Or Raiders stories for we do. Um,
I get we're moving to three hours next to week,

(41:28):
so I get one. I get one extra hour today
with you that I will have nextic with Steve. But yes,
we did two hours flies bro like we're like in
and out and it goes very quickly. Oh. I was
more just thinking Steve's got more storytelling that he wants
to do than I think up he does? Is it is?
It is nice though to hear hear some stories from
the out day of this year's and and obviously U

(41:50):
c l a Is is my parent. I think him
and my uncle were like working the student paper together
back in the day ul A. So yeah, it's uh,
it's funny hear some stories every now and then. I
keep telling him it's like, would you just start dictating
these and let's get the book out, because I mean,
because look, you you know this as well as I do.
Some of the stories you get off air from some
of our colleagues here at Fox Sports Radio from their

(42:11):
their past, and certainly I'm sure you've got plenty that
never find their way to the airwaves. Uh and and
maybe and maybe won't to protect the the guilty as
it were, when it goes down in terms of the
policies and procedures of it all, we welcome you in.
Obviously we've got our eyes on the sporting world. They
just started the replay of the Jets and Eagles. For me, yeah,

(42:36):
that's probably a good move, but it's I got four monitors.
It was either that or go find uh. I don't
know a movie. I had a strongman competition. I've got
the e p L. Because I mentioned before my daughter
playing soccer. She plays center d and her greatest joy
is thwarting scoring chances. She she plays like a middle linebacker. Jeff.

(42:56):
The way her eyes read and she reacts and stuff.
It takes me back to when I was a young
uh quasia athletic but smallish man as a boy. How
is it? So I'm getting into My kids are five
and seven, so we're kind of getting into the sports
world now. My son just had a fall baseball practice
yesterday night, you know, his first you know, the first
kind of year of sports has wiped out because of

(43:17):
covid UM. I find myself a very relaxed parent when
I'm watching my kids play. For the most part, I
am I don't pretend to coach. I'm like, we do
a thing after the games where it's like she'll ask me, all,
what are your three things? And then she'll have three
things she observed she is not their team. Yeah, she

(43:38):
started playing when she was eight, and we were told
she it's too bad she started late because she could
have been pretty good. She's the only one of that
friend group still playing at thirteen. But she's moved up
in levels and and it's fun to watch that growth
and and that determination. But yeah, we have very very
short conversations, right the emotions out like she leaves it

(44:01):
on the pitch. We have the quick conversation of the good,
the bad, the ugly, and then it's right, where's the snack?
And we usually we usually meet up on two of
the three points pretty readily, which is pretty good. I
like that tactic. It's good with kids. I've learned, especially
young and younger kids, to do the good, bad and
ugly basically. Right. So you know, you come over from
school and you know that my daughter is more talkative

(44:21):
about it than my son is. But you said, hey,
tell me something good that happened, something bad to happen,
and something exciting or something that you want to change,
and you gotta that it brings out a little more
conversation and kids. But yeah, like what what excited you? Right?
It was funny like my my daughter was later and
then this one, my older one. I just gonna turn sixteen,
so it's a little different animal. But the excitement of

(44:42):
just being back around your classmates and certainly here depending
where you're at you by the way, I'm in down
in Redondo and so southern California beat cities. So happy
that we're back in classes and well, because the zoom
thing had two effects. Right from my younger one, we
were at the pitch every day, so by time she finished,

(45:04):
or the soccer fields or whatever term we want to acceptable,
I'm going I'm going on there now, I'm trying to
use her her language, but it's the she was done
at twelve thirty. She was done at twelve thirty. So
she'd come down and she'd be like, all right, here's
the three drills I want to go used and do today.
Like all right, she's once she bought in. She she

(45:26):
bought in. So like it's so it's it's huge. Like
we did workouts. We were doing speed drills and and
cone drills like every day. It was something different. We've
got her work in once a week with one of
her assistant coaches who absolutely works her to you know
the end mentally in terms of some of the drills
of all right, this is what it's gonna be if

(45:47):
you're gonna keep advancing. And she loves it every minute
of it. Uh, And that's great. My older daughter is
more a theater kid up, so just being with that energy,
and I'm very much that way at this point. Right.
I was competitive as a kid. A couple of bad injuries,
and I'm old enough to wear back. Then they tell you, yeah,
your knees screwed up unfor unfortunately, Right, So you know,

(46:09):
I broke my leg in high school playing intermural basketball
where a guy undercut me h and I tried to
land and my legs shattered and that was it. So
trying to get anybody to sign off on me for
anything wrestling, even to try to be a walk on
at Northwestern back because I was there right before they
got good and the Fitzgerald years and Gary Barnett years

(46:30):
really turned into what they've built. Uh, so maybe I
could have been you know, that seven guy on the
sideline for home games. Uh, either that or my friends
that were on the team. Jeff, I think we're setting
me up to blow me up at practice. You know,
it's interest when you talk about UM, you know, older injuries,
right and like the rehab now that you would get

(46:52):
from an injury, and how many people might have had
a chance to play college sports, um if the rehab
and and kind of prehab abilities were just much different,
because there there is there is UM you know, just
there's better ways to to rehab injuries now and you
might have had an opportunity to UM to to to

(47:13):
play if you're able to rehab your leg like people
can do now. Yeah, unfortunately have five foot nothing, so
you know the road was gonna end. So I don't
I don't think there was another buddy who played soccer
at ruts and he's five five, Yeah, but he probably
had good foot speed that I did not have. I've
built like a lineman. I am a fire plug. So

(47:33):
you know, there might have been a nose tackle repertu
in for me. But but in the end, you know,
like just just watching you know, the thirteen year old
get after it, it's just fun like that. It's very
calculated as to how she approaches it. And you know
that again throwing back just the way I looked at
things because your your podcast, Jeff Schwartz, is smarter than you.

(47:55):
For me, I relied on on my wits as a kid. Right,
you're looking at how a guys set getting into his
set and looking at his feet and at that age, right,
they're they're not thinking about it. It's completely unconscious, but
they're telling you exactly where you're going. So what do
you do a quick swim move and you're in the backfield.
Or conversely, as alignment, being very smart about and and

(48:16):
very cognizant of where your toes are pointed to not
give that edge and that goes all the way through.
But like with with the soccer stuff, it's been fun.
But to circle back to just the the school side
of it, you know, we do the same thing, the good,
the bad, the ugly. They were leaving on Friday and
I looked at the thirteen year old ago all right teachers,
She goes, you know they got no flavor, Dad, okay,

(48:39):
which I thought was funny. It's like they're good, like
we We've got good lessons and I think it's gonna
be a good learning year. But there's just no no pizzazz.
No Hey, I'm gonna grab in the kids on the fringe.
I I I My daughter's five, and I, um, I
just listen to your to what you're saying about your
daughter talk like I just it's it's totally coming from

(49:01):
me to I just what my daughter talks and says things.
It's just so funny, dude. The girls are a trip man.
My son seven, it's such a trip having a girl.
I love it so much. Well, I grew up the
middle of the three boys. My brothers are listening back
at Chicago, Hello fellas. As they go and walk along
the lakefront whatever, and I'll usually get notes telling me
how dumb my sound about something, and I appreciate it,

(49:21):
which is always fun, but it's you know, just that
idea of I didn't grow up with it, you know,
and and you know, girls were Let's let's face it,
it's odd times, uh, and it never ends no matter
how old you are, there's still those moments. But but
raising them, and certainly with the sporting world as the backdrop,
I was really afraid neither of them would embrace it

(49:44):
at all, that sports was gonna be just the enemy
because of the schedules that you have to keep, the commitments,
the random radio shows that you have to call into
at three in the morning to try to promote your
wares and what you're working on and all that stuff.
And for a while it looked like that is going
to be the case. And then all of a sudden,
this soccer bug hit and she realized, you know what,

(50:04):
I'm pretty good at this. I've got a big, strong
left leg, which they're not used to seeing, you like
seeing a left handed pitcher, you know once in a
while in little league. Right, that decided advantage. And she's fearless,
like she plays it like it's football, which is fun
to see. I never thought i'd see that, So you know,
maybe maybe maybe you'll have some of that in the

(50:26):
house as well as they get a little bit older,
it'd be fantastic. I mean, like I said, my kids
are starting to play sports game, the watch sports is
still a little bit of a of a of a
of a tough thing. Um. I'll tell you what that
the East Coast time zone really destroys sports watching because
you know, I grew up in Los Angeles and obviously
every game I ever wanted to watch was pretty much
on at any time, right sure you know now, uh,

(50:48):
you know, we're not getting a lot of baseball games
obviously out here until seven or even you know, I'm
not a Hornets fan. I'm not putting on a Hornets game, right,
Like the Lakers don't start till ten o'clock at night,
but Packtock doesn't start to late at night. So it's
hard for me to fake like being a you know,
a Bobcat Hornets fan, like during basketball season, I just
can't do it. And you know, Monday football, Sunday football,

(51:08):
these they start so late now. So obviously Sunday and
Saturday there are day games. But again, like I the
Big the first Big ten game of the day at noon,
I don't want to subject my kids to to Iowa Purdue, Like,
is that really something I want to do? I will say,
I'm just uh he if he's awake he he just shuddered.

(51:28):
I mean, if he I don't, I know, well, maybe
be a big ten guy. Right, nine am kickoff is
about as good as it gets me. I like it.
On the West Coast, you watch them from nine am
to eleven pm every night, right, every every Saturday. It's great.
But on the on the East Coast, it's just tougher
with kids to get them into sports because the time
zone is just makes sports watching much different. Absolutely, again,

(51:52):
you're talking middle of the afternoon, which means like you're
still at the age where you're going to all the kids,
uh bouncy house birthday parties. Sorry, buddy, it's it's yes.
You know. I had the idea here and they rebuffed
my advances on it. But I used to come and
I would be the guy that would be pushing the
kids on the swing and they'd be like, why why
is he always with the kids, Like because he doesn't
want to do his job at these birthday parties. But

(52:15):
also we would rent these places and we'd be going
every Saturday and most Sundays, I'm like, can we just
go buy a boat? Like everybody just pitching and like
we actually have some piece of property, or maybe maybe
we rent one of these warehouses ourselves. I mean, this
is ridiculous. It's it's a lot like yeah, I'm with
you there. I mean, we i'tally end up just getting

(52:36):
a pool at the house, right, well, I remember the
construction of that. We're just gonna we're tired of going
to someone else's house. We're gonna gonna put the pool
at our house. And it's been very nice to have
a pool at the house. But yeah, I get, I
get what you're saying about. You know, all these little kids,
these kids see play areas and stuff, and now they're
just breeding grounds for sickness, like not not not even

(52:57):
code related. They just get like the sniffles or they
get a cough um not yeah not the last time
we had one of those. Two days later, my daughter
got sick. We got her, we got her testic for COVID.
She was negative. But like every time they go these
places they get get sick. Yep, go thinking about daycare
and all all not only the bills, but the number

(53:18):
of times you know, you're sitting and there in the
background and sniffling, sneeze and it's like, yep, the kids
part of the radio show today. Like it or not, folks,
that's but here. I am nice and comfortable in the
Fox Sports Radio studios here in southern California. Jeff, back
in the caroline as we're having fun with you. We
got a lot of NFL action, and we'll turn back

(53:39):
to the preseason uh and coaching styles and decisions here
as we continue on Fox Sports Sunday. That's coming up next. Hey,
welcome back in. It's Fox Sports Sunday, Mike Harmon alongside
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(54:02):
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find me over at Swollen Dumb. We're having fun. Always
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to to do a couple of segments of radio in

(54:25):
the past together, Jeff. But good to let it breathe
as we can do here on a Fox Sports Sunday. Yes,
we have a lot of time to talking about football
and whatever else. We just a little bit of time
talking about family. So uh yeah, four hours of of
talking to something that I'm very well equipped to do. Well,
that's just it, open mouth say things. Have a cup

(54:45):
of coffee at the ready thanks to Chris and Nick
making a sound so pretty. We'll go off the rails
with Isaac Lowencron coming up in a little over twenty minutes.
You'll get your baptism by fire for that one, Jeff.
But we've been watching the preseason and over the last
couple of years, the changing face of it in terms
of snap counts and reps and the dissection of the good,

(55:06):
the bad, and the ugly. To bring that back again,
I keep seeing that commercial for whatever that new movie is.
Clint Eastwood's got going on. So that's in my mind
going back to all the old spaghetti westerns. But when
we look at at the the setup for you as
you got through your NFL career, you know, did you
want more reps and what do you think of the
coaching strategies now as it's developed, especially with Sean McVeigh

(55:30):
these last couple of years. So it's pretty interesting. So
Andy Reid, who we know has a bona fide Hall
of Fame career, hall of fame career, but hall of
fame level quarterback right now, right, he plays Pat Mahomes
fair fairly. Get him out in the preseason right, especially
this year. And part of that could be because of
the offensive line kind of being retold and wanting to

(55:52):
get some work in there. But Bill Belichick plays the
starters whole bunch of the preseason. So does Bruce Arians
and Ron Rivera and Mike Mike Tomlin. You know a
lot of coaches that have been very good and did
a lot of winning. And I say that's the one
thing that you can piece altogether. Old school mentality, but
a lot of w's a lot of ws. And then

(56:13):
we have the younger coaches, right La Fleur who has
done a lot of winnings so far right with Rogers,
but has not one. You've not been the super Bowl,
but they has been the Super Bowl. Um that we
have Stefanski and Cleveland who um who has not been
to Superabowl. Right, a great, great year last year, and
I think they're gonna have another good year. Um, it's
just kind of curious to see who and why they are. Uh,

(56:34):
they're playing there the youngers. And I think it's helpful
to play your starters a little bit in the preseason
because it gets you a feeling pretty excited if you
have a good a good start, right, if you're Tampa
Bay after last night, I just watched their game, but
good an offense, right, and it might have been inst
the Texans twos, but you feel a little bit of confidence, right,
You feel a little bit like you like you got
some good work in and you're you're heading in the

(56:56):
right direction. Because well, I take away from preseason is
is not really individual matchups, right, It's not, oh, this
one's verse ones are really more offense ones verse two
or two verse ones, right. And obviously if a backup
is playing very well against the one, that's something to
take into consideration. But it's more about process. I'll give
you a couple of examples. So Arizona last season, the

(57:19):
Cardinals right, offensively not very good, good Russian, the football
passing game not very efficient, even with DeAndre Hopkins and
Murray's potential of his arm and his skill set not
very good passing passing game. So we're like, Okay, how's
Cliff Kingsbury gonna gonna change? How's he gonna do different?
And we get into the game against Kansas City last

(57:39):
weekend and they look exactly the same as last year,
exactly the same, And people say, well, they're they're hiding plays.
I know that's not really how it works, but I'm
not hiding plays, right, Like, your base offense is what
you is, what you're running. So if your base offense
looks like crud, then I assure you your offense is crud.

(57:59):
Right again, process right, not really individual players. No, I'm
not talking about really Colin Murray. You know they didn't
Hopkins didn't play some of the offense on the people
talking about just kind of the process of what the
offense looks like. The Vikings for example, Okay, the Vikings
did not score touchdown in the preseason for ten quarters.
In two I was on the Panthers. We didn't score

(58:20):
touchdown the entire preseason, believe it or not. An offense
not one. We have it's twelve point, then we have
it's twelve points a game on offense that year. Okay,
so it gives you an insight like if things are
going well in the and and they scored like four
touchdowns in the second half against the Chiefs, three in
the seconds the Chiefs uh two nights ago. But again
like the Vikings, just you know, you have you have

(58:41):
the stuff with Cousins and Zimmer who has been very
vocal about pro vaccination um, and then you kind of
have this bad preseason like process right, process I know
has not been much of just of just justshon Jefferson
and Cousins on the field. But again it's more about process, right,
what what what's happening with these offenses? And more pointing,
you know, like the way they're getting in out of

(59:02):
their plays doesn't look like it's supposed to look. Jacksonville, right,
we talked about against New Orleans, but Jacksonville did not
have three of their five offensive line starters. But the
offensive formations right, a little stagnant. Just Trevor Lawrence at
times some great throws, but kind of the officers didn't
have a rhythm and flow. That's what we talked about.
We talked about the preseason and what matters and what

(59:23):
doesn't matter. I'm not looking into a Walker little For example,
the Jaguars who played left tackle for State. He hasn't
played football in two years, right, he sat out, he
played one game in twenty nineteen, sat out last season,
he did not play. Well, I'm not looking at that, right,
It's okay, he's not gonna start for them. It's like, well, well,
that's a whole different as well, quite a bit. That's

(59:45):
a whole different discussion on Pine but um but yeah,
I am actually worried about Pine. But nonetheless, um but
just from hey, here are guys that have been spotlighted.
Oh yeah, and Jamar Jamar Chase hasn't been terribly well
so far. I mean, it's okay, but but it's more
about the process, right, the process of the Cardinals offense.
And when you look at the Bucks yesterday, look at

(01:00:07):
the Chiefs, like, okay, that looks like I'm supposed to
look right, they're ready to play football this year. They're
going to play football this year. And that's what I
mean about the what you take away from this this
time of the year, and when you don't have that
with the Rams and Matt Stafford, Stafford is a veteran
this league. We know that it's not playing this offense. Yes,
now you're gonna rely on him to do to do
it first time in this offense in a game against

(01:00:30):
the Bears defense the Sunday Football Okay, I mean, okay, okay,
I mean if you start slowing that game, you lose.
It's not good obviously. Right, Well, it starts getting all
the talk of what is Matthew Stafford once again? Well
that that he mcmah at least has that buffer for
the moment because of all the questions of you know
Stafford in Detroit, and you've got guys that in the

(01:00:53):
league that you know, like Aaron Rodgers just speaks glowingly
and so many others, and then the larger world is
all right, what is he stands? And we'll find out
this year about that. Why is Justin Herbert not playing?
I must big on Herbert fan as anyone on on
the interweb. I pumped him up all year. I thought
he'd begin in the NFL, and he was why what

(01:01:15):
has he done or not play this post? You know
in his career like he he last year as a rookie,
he played no games or very minimal games with fans
of the crowd. So this year is gonna open up
with having fans in the stands. What has he done
in his career where he doesn't have to play in
the preseason at all? You cannot go into the preseason
being scared if your quarterback being heard. There's two examples

(01:01:36):
that come to mind, Trent Green getting hurt in nine
eight or ninety nine in the preseason and then Warner
coming and actually worked out for them in the positive
and Romo getting hurt and Dat coming in that as
a positive for the Cowboys as well. So obviously, if
Herbert gets hurt, that's not a positive for anyone. But
you can't coach being scared of injury, in my opinion.
And so you've Herbert. Why why is Daniel Jones not

(01:01:57):
played yet? And he's playing tonight supposedly, But like, what
has he done? What's the Giant's offensive line done so far?
Where theyre where they don't need reps in the game?
Joint practices? Okay, great, it's a little different than the game, guys,
And it's all scheduled. You know what's coming and so
and go forward. He's supposed to play tonight, suppose I
don't even know what blitics playing their starters, but I

(01:02:18):
just I I am a little I'm a little old
school in that matter. I think starters are playing a
little bit, not a lot, not a lot. Not like
you get him killed, but like it's it's just that
get him, get him a little bit of run, man,
give a little bit. If Tom Brady wants to play
and Pat Holmes wants to play, then why can't Herbert play?
It seems silly to me, right, Mahomes wants to play
in the preseason. He's excited to play. We go back

(01:02:41):
to the Cardinals Chiefs game from a couple of weeks ago,
Toler Murray did not want to play. I'm like, dude, dude,
you haven't made it yet in the NFL. There's a
reason why Mahomes has made it. He wants to play
in the preseason. He'll take every rep. He loves playing football,
and the and the report was Colin Murray just kind
of doesn't want to do the preseason really really, Yeah,

(01:03:01):
you're not a year veteran in the offense and defensive
line where it's a all right, we're we're counting your
snaps and hope, like Jason Peters coming into Chicago at
this point at thirty nine, it's a all right, we
need to be meticulous. It's one of the few things
I would agree with that Matt Naggie and Ryan Pace
have ever done. But we'll talk about them, uh in
a much larger way, Jeff. To your point about Justin Herbert, yeah,

(01:03:24):
I don't understand he's a second year guy. Like at
this point, you still have to go. My mom always
had a phrasing and those that have listened to me
and smith in in the evenings have heard this. She
would always do this, I save it for good. Right.
We'd buy are a nice, you know, outfit or something
for a birthday or mother's day, you know, and as
kids were hustling baseball cards and paper routes and whatever,

(01:03:45):
and then we go to the back of the closet
and I'll save it for good. It's like, you know, what,
if good does it come okay? And you've got the
reps of your everyday life, you should find some wins
along the way. And I think the same thing when
it comes to to football, like you said, playing and
being afraid of an injury and a freak hit. That's
gonna change your season. You know, that's football. So what

(01:04:08):
you're gonna say, Week one, we're not playing you know,
the best opponents, So you sit out week one because
we should be able to win without you. I don't
I don't get it. The the idea of of not
getting guys reps and trying to get things clean. Now
we saw the the Bills fans cause a false start,
you know, delay of game penalty against the Packers in

(01:04:28):
a preseason game for crying out loud to your point
about crowd noise, like it's a different animal. And I
don't understand the the idea of all right, play the
weight and see and then like you're gonna spring some
big surprise on people. Know, all you did got was
no reps and you're talking about the Giants like they're
one of the biggest enigmas of all of this. You've
got to find out what Daniel Jones is and not

(01:04:49):
getting extra reps with the you know, rebuilt team that
is around him, how does that help your cause it doesn't.
It doesn't, And I just I don't get I mean, look,
the say joint practices are what kind of gets them
through this, and fair enough, I guess. I mean, but like,
I still think there's some value and I played those
joint practices. I mean they're there. They can be good

(01:05:10):
at times. I mean they can be worthless at times too, um,
but there's there is nothing, there's nothing better to get
experience and play. And I'll give you a do you
want to go to the update? And then we'll talk
abou the Bears in a second. Yeah. No, there's a
big grant together of the Bears, and I think we're
like minded in a lot of this. We'll do that
in a moment, but first let's kick over to Isaac

(01:05:32):
Loewen Crown find out what's trending. Just so you know,
Mike and Jeff, I am bleeding profusely right now because
of how severely I had to bite my tongue in
the last three minutes listening to that discussion. Why because

(01:05:53):
he works for the Charges. Oh I'm sorry, Okay, So
he's not been able to watch any of the ones.
I'm sorry, uh, and he's had to try to make
excuses as to why they're not playing. If if I'm
reading that correct, You think you know your co workers
and then they start talking about something that just makes

(01:06:14):
you bleed profusely from Biden. I'm just I should I
shouldn't go down this road, but I'm just too did
risk versus rewards? Here's the problem, red for the season?
I think that's what That's what I'm saying. I'm just saying,
when have you ever heard a reference to the preseason

(01:06:36):
one second after toe has met leather kicking off the
regular season? And just one other point. I guess this
might be more specific to the Chargers and Justin Herbert
not playing that than other teams and other situations. But
the problem is, if you play Justin Herbert, you also
have to play your first string offensive line minute or
else you're gonna get killed. And you should who has

(01:06:57):
had a great camp, but he needs some reps in
the he didn't play last year. He needs raps. He
I saw all I needed to see from him in
the twenty offensive snaps he did play against the Rams
of the preseason. And the other issue is the rest
of the offensive line. Do you also need them healthy
because that was an issue for them last year? All right, No, no, no,

(01:07:18):
don't even get me started on that, because that's that's
a whole other thing of mouth seasons. By the Chargers
going back many years. Well, well that's my point that
their entire first So you can't be scared. But you
can't be scared because you're training staff has done a
terrible job for several years. I just the Chargers team
doctor last year, did you guys solid the Bears need

(01:07:40):
to hire that guy? They need to hire again. That continued.
That's that little, a little little thought. Well that's the
thing though, if that didn't happen, then in in this
alternative use universe, Justin Herbert would have played the entire
preseason this year. I digress, but I'm glad that you

(01:08:00):
guys got my dander up. That's what you're supposed to do.
In sports stock Radio, we will start with NFL injury
newsfellas Adam Schefter just reporting that Baltimore Ravens running back
J K. Dobbins currently is undergoing his m r I,
but the expectation going into it was that he had
suffered a season ending left knee injury that occurred in
yesterday's preseason win over the Washington Football team. An injury

(01:08:24):
story developing with another team just developing now. Stephen Holder
and Zach Keefer of the Athletic just reporting that Indianapolis
Culture receiver t Y Hilton is expected to miss multiple
weeks with an injury, but the injury is not considered
season ending, and Schefter just added that Hilton's injury is
an upper back slash neck injury. Saturday's other preseason action

(01:08:48):
saw the Tampa Bay Buccaneers w at Houston twenty three
to sixteen. Tom Brady a brilliant performance eleven out of
fourteen for one fifty four yards with a touchdown pass
he still should not have plaid. Kyle Trost did completed
twelve and fourteen and a touchdown. See how I tried
to sneak that in? They tried for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
In Major League Baseball Saturday, the Dodgers scored three on

(01:09:10):
the bottom of the eighth for a five to do
whatever the Colorado Rockies. They stay two and a half
back of the first place Giants in the n ALT
West because they held Serve with a five nothing victory
at Atlanta Angels over the Padres tended to San Diego
has lost thirteen of sixteen. Mike and Jeff Beck, do
you thank you for humoring me? By the way Banks Hilo,
that could be off the rails in ten minutes. That

(01:09:31):
was off the rails at Isaac Lowenkron on Twitter, Mike Armen,
Jeff Schwartz with you here Fox Sports Radio having fun
on a Fox Sports Sunday. And h let's take those
injury notes and doctor visits and everything else. Uh, the
sage brush that Kyrie Irving takes around the stadium to
try to ward off those kind of demons uh to

(01:09:52):
the Bears. Uh and the management of things by Matt
Naggy Ryan Pace. I'll note that in Chicago at one
point there were lines in their respective bios about their contracts.
Those have been removed months ago, with expectations around Chicago
and several reporters of the belief that they've both been

(01:10:12):
extended a year. Uh. Quietly during the off season. With that,
we've got the Andy Dalton justin fields and Nick Foles
still hanging around. Uh. The offensive line, which is one
I'm gonna be wringing my hands on quite a bit
this year, Jeff. Uh. And then as we get ready
for an opener against the Rams, still a lot of chatter.

(01:10:35):
So the Bears is a is a pretty interesting situation. Uh.
And and and it's not comparable to anything else. I
think that's it's important we talk about quarterback situations like
this at quarterback battles and we just not use Blakett
statements like, oh, the Chief sat Pam Homes for a year. Okay, well,
but the every situation is not the same, right, And
the Chief sat Pam Homes for a year because at

(01:10:56):
Alex Smith, who had won the division two straight years
and made the playoffs three out of four seasons, he
had been the Chief's quarterback. Right, that was not him
making the playoffs was not a concern. It was it
was Kenny take the team the extra way, which we
know he couldn't do, and that's why they went with Homes.
So it made sense from Mahomes to not play that year,
right because Alex was there, he was doing a good job,

(01:11:17):
and they were winning. The Bear situation is very simple.
Take out Matt Naki's jobs. Ask for just a second,
Andy Dalton, the best he's given your Bears fan? Correct? Correct? Okay,
I'll ask you the question. The best you do with
Andy Dalton this year, starting seventeen games is what you're
hopeful to be just above five and five your way

(01:11:38):
back into that final playoff spot nail you nailed exactly
nine or ten wins. You're not You're not being the
Packers if Rogers healthy nine or ten wins and you
get the seven seed again and you go to you know,
to Green Bay and and losing in the Walker weekend. Okay,
so congratulations on having a great season, bears right, Like,
what the is the point of that season? Okay, Dal's

(01:12:00):
a one year deal. He's a bridge to something else.
You have the bridge now in your building, in your possession,
which is justin fields, and now not that to mac
Naki's job status, we don't know. No one kind of knows.
Right three, whatever it is, Maaggie has to show that

(01:12:20):
he is the right guy to coach justin fields. And
the way you do that as you show fields improving
throughout the season. Again, it's not a week to week improve,
it's a quarter to quarter, right, first four weeks, second
four weeks. So I'm talk about quarters. That's how I'm
gonna do it. Uh, And there's seventeen games. Now, It's funny,
I thought I was the only nerd me and NFL coaches.
So yeah, we'll do four quarters and the last one

(01:12:41):
we'll have an extra credit day, right, like Bill and
an extra quarter. Throwe in there, so our nickel phone
in there. Whatever. So you need to show Justin Fields
improving each quarter of the season because you know he's
gonna have a good game, bad game. Rights, it's a rookie,
and you need to show him improving each week. If
you put him in when your season has gone to
hell essentially, right, because Dalton has not playing very well,

(01:13:03):
that's not the best time to put a rookie in
to prove that you're his coach and he can overcome that. Right.
You want to put him in the best situation possible,
and starting fresh week one is the best way to
do that. Because again, if you're three and six and
the fans have been asking for Fields for nine weeks now,
and you put him in the game, and your offensive line,
which I don't think it's very good this year, Oh

(01:13:24):
Peters can help, but you know your offense line is injuries, right,
Your offense is injured, your defense, you're just your team
is in the tank. You put Fields in, Yes, he
can give you that maybe burst of energy in game one,
but if things are going sideways, you're you're putting you're
asking an awful lot of him to kind of save
your season because there are playoffs aspirations for the Bears
this year. If you start Fields game one, you let

(01:13:44):
him work with the bumps and bruises, and even if
you don't make the playoffs, but you show that Field
is your guy, and Mett Naggie can coach that guy. Right,
he's making this happen. It's my team, my offense, and
Fields is playing well in my offense. He's gonna have
a job for eight years, right, hen have a job forever,
and you get excited for two now. It's easy as
a fan, really an analysts on my end to say, hey, look,

(01:14:06):
this season for the Bears not really important. It's about
next year. I get fans and coaches, especially coaches, they
want to win this season. But you have to understand
that Fields is your future and Dalton is not, and
you let him work through those problems this season to
get him ready to play next season. The stupidest thing
I've heard about this whole competition is he can't play
Week one because Aaron Donald's too good. Get out of

(01:14:27):
here with that, all right. Look, either he's ready to
play is not ready to play because Week three guess
what you have the Browns and Miles Garrett. Can you
cannot play that game Week eight or nine? You've Tampa Bay.
Is he's not allowed to play against Tampa Bay. Like,
come on, guys, he's either ready a player or not
ready to play. If he can't handle Aaron Donaldan, he
can't handle you know, Myles Garrett or any other guy

(01:14:47):
running after him. Okay, that that that's a that's a
lame excuse. It's a week excuse. If he's to get
crushes here, don't get crushed this year. And he needs
the reps because he needs time to learn. So we
saw a couple of weeks ago he had in the face.
I'm glad he's fine. It was a very vicious hit,
but that was a hit he took because he didn't
really know what he was doing. And the way you

(01:15:08):
learn those things is game reps, practice reps. Especially during
the regular season, he'll be doing scouting. If he doesn't play,
he's not doing those plays, he's not having those those opportunities.
So that's why I think for this year it's at
the time for him to learn work through everything. Because
also we talked about the Niner situation and we say, hey, well, well,
why don't you talk about the same with Tray Lance. Well, guys,

(01:15:30):
the last time Jimmy Garoppo was healthy, I want that
they wouldn't made the Super Bowl. Right, Like, Jimmy Garoppolo
can play now. Is he had the ceiling of tray Lands. No,
but he can play football when healthy. The problem is
he's not healthy. Dalton is just okay, we know what
Dalton is. So that's why. And I do think Tray
Lance played soon or later. But that's why I think
they start with with Jimmy Garoppolo. I think the Bears

(01:15:51):
to one percent started with Fields and just move on.
I think watching it more as it developed in the preseason, Jeff,
like when we first got got into camp. Not that
it's a all right, this this team or or that
team being afraid of but just looking at you signed
Dalton and Fields falls into your lap, right. I don't

(01:16:12):
think you expected to be able to draft him, but
you did. So now let's evaluate and having watched him
in these preseason games, and you know, some people want
to dismiss him as meaningless, others take him as you know,
every play is gospel. I'll fall in between. But I've
seen him do enough spectacular things. You know, the hit
that you mentioned, I saw so many. Immediately put it

(01:16:32):
on the offensive line. I'm like, look, this offensive line
is not gonna be good. But that wasn't their fault.
I put video video on about that. Um, if you
are a fan of of offensive line, play at chuff
shorts on Twitter, I'll get your right. Um, yeah it
was it was not it was. It was surely his fault. Yeah,
because I'm the guy that'll that'll call call out you know,
the guys appropriately, or at least I like to think

(01:16:54):
I do. Uh, And that one just that was him.
But the offensive line is not good. But that's not changing, right,
that's not changing for the years. So what are we
doing putting him in bubble bubble wrap and moving him
away for the year. No, you've got a guy that
can make plays. You've got players on your squad that
are going to be maximized by him. I'm looking at you,
Darnell Mooney. Uh, the opportunity are there. All right, We're

(01:17:17):
gonna put a pin in this. We'll get back to
the Bears and Matt Naggy and all of these preseason decision.
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(01:18:22):
It curious headlines, but it takes a keen eye to
make sense of them. Here's our man reporting on the
theater of the absurd. It's Isaac Lowenkron and this is
off the rails. Off the Rails today the saga of
legendary and beloved St. Louis Cardinals radio announcer Mike Shannon.

(01:18:45):
This week, Mr Shannon, who's in his fiftieth season broadcasting
Cardinals games, had to do a live read that included
a reference to n f T s. And he did
what a lot of us have done. He wanted to
know just what the heck and n f T is,
only he did it live on the radio while broadcasting

(01:19:06):
a Major League baseball game. Listen to what transpired as
Shannon was also confronted with terms like cryptocurrency, bitcoin and blotching.
You can bid now on one of the one on
one Bush Stadium. N f T. What's n f T means?
Jim's gonna tell us where the n f T s
mean when he researcher that here's a pitch outside and

(01:19:28):
high and it's doing one now on so sorry, what's
an n f T. We're gonna find out. We have
to turn his place upside down. We'll find out where
an n f t is no frigging touchdowns, No, no
frigging consoles have that. I got my consos taken out,

(01:19:52):
John J. Thompson was taken out when you were a
kid a long time ago. Yeah, and they promise you
ice cream and cake and all that stuff. That's it.
Half no fungible token they did, you know, talking that's
a type about what what? What does that works? Cypro

(01:20:17):
cypro currency. Many have words in here I've never heard before.
But unlike a standard coin in the five coin blockain
and n f T is a union and can't be
exchanged like for like. Hence non fungiable fungible. That's what

(01:20:41):
it says here, folks. Fungible online thing you can't sell.
That's what. Well. I don't use the online so that's
why I don't know. See. I found that really charming
because I'm roughly half Mr Shannon's age, and I feel
exactly the same way towards the whole n f T thing, fellas,

(01:21:02):
and that's off the rails. Yes, yes, I'm this, I'm
with you, guys. I don't quite get it, but you
hear him go through it and just thinking out loud
is fantastic. I'm a nerd. I'll have a little master's
course for y'all as I'm trying to produce my own.
Maybe we can do some of your analysis of offensive
line for folks as n f T. Jeff, what do

(01:21:23):
you think if it makes money doesn't work? Yes, make money.
I'm always from making money and let's let's figure that out.
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(01:21:45):
it into the big voice. Guy Maloon as we come
here halftime over disco ball, still spinning here, marching band
as they sang in American Pie refused the year. But
we have a line change. Iowa Sam now in for
Chris perfect on the ones and twos. We got Nick,
we got Iolo. Look at that, even gave himself an applause.

(01:22:05):
So the buttons are working and his caffeine is flowing
through his body. Uh, Jeff, so far halftime, I haven't
haven't failed you yet. I don't think uh in terms
of topics and ability to UH wax poetic about the
world at large. It feels like we are both professionals

(01:22:26):
at blabbert on about anything in life. So I think
what you can make another I'm disappointed that Sam wasn't
here too, from my quib about Iowa and Purdue playing
at a nine and Pacific. No, no, you know what
that we could rewind that because that that's part of
the set up here is just the general excitement. Right
today is the final day of those for some the

(01:22:46):
dreaded preseason and how many times did you see the
senior timeline the older If I had a nickel, the
number of people's like finally were past the preseames, Like
all you did for six months was complained that the
football wasn't here, and then it shows up. But because
it's not, you know, in the format of the two
seventy two that count, you're gonna complain. Shut up, miss
me with that. Oh yeah, they're all they they're all

(01:23:07):
watching this of course because it's it's football, right, Like,
I mean, you just want to watch football. Now, I
will say, I am not spending my time watching like
the second half of these games with third I got
Jets Eagles on right now, it's on the background for me.
I mean, Joe Flaccos looks like he's I thought it
was Oh Joe Flaccos look only playing well today, so
he is he is elite So except now they have

(01:23:28):
a new backup in garden Minschell, So how much elite kill.
He's got better hair than than Flacco. He does it hard.
So um look, we love it all. And the NFL
gives us a little bit of a ramp to to
college football, right, I mean with college football just boom,
it's on us because no real preseason, there's no open
camps and and whatnot. Um, so football is a little

(01:23:50):
tune up. We get to see some young players, you know.
I I have young guys I root for. I did
that Big Boys Club show this year on Fox which
was fantastic and that you can find those videos one
that's great everywhere. So I'm rooting for the guys that
we did the show create and Trey and Quinn Miners
for the rashawnse Later and pen A Sewel. So you know,
I have some some personal connection to these players. But

(01:24:10):
the more you out of football, the less I know
who's playing in these preseason games. So the less there
is a connection to watching all of them. Um, But
nonetheless I try to keep up and and um, it's
important to kind of get your your football sea legs going.
Uh at this time of year. Well that's it also,
you know, just from a pure tailgating and tolerance levels. Uh.

(01:24:31):
And it's a Sunday morning. So that's as much as
I'll say on that topic. You gotta get your training
in like anything else, like running your miles, like lifting
your weights. I mean, you gotta be smarter a body.
You can't just dive in, you know, full on just
week one. These are preseasons for fans too. I'm with
you there because the first weekend of like the NFL action,
when you have the eight games going at once, it's

(01:24:52):
a little bit it's a little bit tough to get
used to all that action at once, head on a
swivel and all all of that chaos as it goes.
I was trying to expend some missus for the crowd
here on Fox Sports Radio both Saturdays and Sundays. I
was told that wouldn't work, but I'm still trying that angle.
I I'm a man at the people. Yeah, I might
have to expense that uh. And and write it off

(01:25:13):
on my taxes. But we'll we'll figure that out as
we go, Jeff, certainly, and we'll make sure you're taken
care of while working outside of the southern California areas well.
I appreciate your appreciate you you're worried that you're worried
about my physical care during the show. Well, I mean, look,
we're we're a team. We're just kind of talking about that, right,
you're paying my pain, you know, your your winds, my winds.

(01:25:34):
Like we're we're a team, just like they're on the field.
To make it sound pretty and authentic and and everybody's
you've got to be invested in each we are. We
are invested in talking, which is what I mean. Like
Iowa Sa, I'm sitting down and you made your Iowa
Perdue line. You know, we got a full circle to
that of you know, trying to wrap your arms around
you know that game might not have a lot of

(01:25:56):
meaning for you, but for Iowa Sam, he has been
breaking down every piece of video he can get on
the Produe boiler Makers and every blog written about what
he's gonna expect for that one. Did you see did
you hear yesterday? Kurt Herb streets say that Iowa might
be the surprise team in the Big Ten. I thought,

(01:26:17):
did you see when he said that yesterday? He's just
smiling from ear to ear, he says, trying to figure out.
He said, Ow State will win, will win the Big Ten,
but just just look out for Iowa. Okay, excitement abounds. Yeah,
it's but it's that time of year, right. Hope springs eternal,
And yes, there are some teams that have to be realism.

(01:26:38):
We look at it in the NFL. You're not expecting
a pile of winds from the Houston Texans. And I
don't know even if Deshaun Watson worked by every game
that I would there either. I would expect if Shawn
Watson doesn't play and the Texans win two games this year,

(01:26:58):
I would be surp honest. I mean they could be
winless Offshaun play. Yeah. I have Actually one thing I
am champion is the book from Torod Taylor, My crazy
two years in the NFL. You go from getting an
injection that takes you out of a starting job with
a pretty good team, right when we look at what
the charges were on paper, uh and and they performed

(01:27:21):
well in Spurts and certainly had their medical issues out
outside of that one. But you also now go to
Houston and it's not about what's on the field at all.
The situation um sitting aside the accusations on on DeShawn Watson.
That's obviously part of the story. But but setting that
aside for a second, it's it's very Deshaun Watson is

(01:27:43):
not suspended. He's not a commissioner's example list. He's on
the team still, and yeah he's not playing like or
the texts just not going to carry him on the
roster or they what are they? He's not show It's
just setting aside the horrendous allegations, right, like from a
from a football from a team standpoint, If you don't

(01:28:05):
trade him, is he not going to show up to
the building every day? What are you doing with him? Yeah? Well,
I mean I know they changed the rule this year, right,
so if he doesn't show up, uh, you know, you
get into the fines. He wants to make sure he
doesn't lose his fifty grand a day season that's dead.
If he's still around the team, why is he not playing?
Like it's a bad optic. But if he's in no

(01:28:26):
man's land, and he's still going through the reps like
THEE A Tiki reps. So he's gonna's gonna have a
sit in this year. It's gonna show up every day
and not go to practice and not work and not.
I'm I always thought he'd play this year because he
has the texts work trading him. This is before the
allegations came out. And so I still maintain they don't

(01:28:47):
want to trade him. And the asking price they've given
like three twos, and well, if that's Jitniman asking price, Jeff,
given all the givens, come on, it's not getting that.
It's the NFL has always rushed, in my opinion, to
dull out punishment, right. Roger Goodell has has has um
wanted to be the crime and punishment league right where

(01:29:09):
he's in charge of discipline, and he has taken that
to the full extent of my opinion. He has done
overboard a lot of times in in player punishments. He
has done that against the advice of his own investigators.
He has done that against kind of maybe the rules
and spirit of of the NFL rule book, i e.
The flight gate, right, I mean the punishment for equipment
violations like five thousand dollars UM. And he ended up

(01:29:31):
suspending Brady for four games UM and again not no
real proof that he did anything, just decided to do
it because Tom didn't hand over his cell phone. Right. Uh.
You know, Jamis Winston got a reduced, reduced suspension because
he cooperated with the NFL, almost like a plea deal.
It's like, you're not you're not. You're not. You're not
the criminal justiceystem, right your your sports league. And in

(01:29:53):
this situation, they're doing the opposite. They're just letting it
play out. And it's like, wait, what what For so
many years you didn't let it do that and now
for this, for this, you're like, okay, we'll let it
play out. NFL choose your lane, right, I mean in
other years, I feel like they would have put them
on the exemp lists have been done with it. But
but I understand not doing that because if you put

(01:30:17):
them on the exemp list, what takes him off the
exemp list? If these stay as as as as civil
lawsuits against the SEAN and they do not become criminal lawsuits,
they could take years to to to to be settled,
to go to court, whatever it is so what would
take him off the exemp lists? My question? Right, I
get so I sort of understand why they're not doing that,

(01:30:40):
but they're doing nothing when an NFL always does something,
and now you're leaving the Texans out to dry here. Yeah,
and it's the curiosity, right because you go back to
tag Labou UH goes into the hall and everything. But
it was basically, as long as you could play on Sunday,
it didn't matter, right, And then Goodell comes in tries
to policies and procedures. I could. I could do a

(01:31:01):
giant elongated monologue onto Flate Gate. I'll just suffice it.
It's suffice to say, have you ever seen the p
s I of football's included in any box score or
game reports since then? So, I think it was the
dumbest thing in the history of sports, especially when you
have every other UH quarterback comes forward saying yeah, I

(01:31:22):
always had him do it two pounds heaven here or
or this or I did this, Like, okay, you've got
quarterbacks for thirty years of football coming. Yeah, I had
him dunk it in water. I did this. I mean,
we we doctored it every which way. I was like,
you know, they were pictures in the eighties, right with
emery boards and all that stuff in there and their
belt loops. But yeah, so the Crime and Punishment League

(01:31:45):
that he tried to do, and and obviously you go
back to what happened with Ray Rice was the tipping
point in some respects, right, because they meet it up
punishment and then the tape goes live and alviosly like,
oh they went soft. And then you have situations Zeke Elliott,
Ben Roethlisberger, uh, the Brady deflate gate where there doesn't

(01:32:07):
seem to be a rhyme or reason in line with
the spirit of how this was supposed to be put in.
And I get it, this one's on WHEELI but as
far as I know, he can't even be deposed until February, right,
so we're already talking a full season will have been
played in a Super Bowl champion crown before they can

(01:32:27):
even talk to him. So this is why the situation
is even again another layer of intrigue, right because again
he's on the Texans roster and I don't know if
they can compel him to play Week one or not,
and I don't know if they want him to play
Week one, right, it's just it's it's so it's unfortunate, right, um,
And we'll let this play out in the courts. Uh.

(01:32:50):
And the NFL again, for so long has has never
let a play on the courts, and now they want to.
And I don't get the reasoning why. Yeah, there's just
so much to it, right, And we have a I mean,
Dash comes on legal for Fox Sports Radio and you
find her on Twitter and she's ramping up her stuff, right,
and and the idea of trafficking coming in and when

(01:33:11):
we start getting into a lot of the legal east. Look,
I've watched a lot of hours of Law and Order,
many uh many iterations of it and far too much
so I've got some base knowledge of stuff. But but
it's just enough to be dangerous, Jeff, So I don't
try to pretend to know. You shouldn't. Yeah, one thing,
that one thing that I and I love social media.
It's it's great for my job, But far too many

(01:33:33):
people become experts on things they have no idea about.
It's okay sometimes to be like, you know what I'm
gonna I'm gonna let Amy talk about it because it's
Amy's expertise. And again I again It's why I kind
of failed to mention I don't know how this proceeds.
Um and the NFL again should rely on the people
whose job it is to investigate these things. Not their job.
It's not their job. They're not good at it. Um.

(01:33:54):
You know the Zeke elliott One, the investigator who who
the NFL hired, said said yeah, I wouldn't punish him,
did any of the anyway. It's like, come on, well,
but he might go back to the just the scope
of it. Right. We we've seen players suspended for one
allegation that didn't go to the to the level that
we've already got here with over twenty and there's been

(01:34:17):
no action. And so you've got him and he snapped
at reporters right saying, all right, nothing is different today,
Like you're the story. Unfortunately as so long as you're
on the practice field, yes, they can't get an answer
from you, but they that's the story in Houston. The
rest of it to Rod Taylor Coulli's first year as
a coach, all of its secondary because people are just

(01:34:38):
trying to figure it out. And right now the silence
from Roger Goodell is deafening. And you absolutely Watson, so
you know he's not going anywhere. All of those reports
yesterday as they popped up, Jeff of going, okay, what
is this, who who's legitimately and how much? How much
can you actually put in a contract in terms of
all right, if he goes to jail, is unavailable for
I know, there's snap count things that go in. Right,

(01:35:01):
if he takes seventy of the snaps, we get a
lower draft pick because he was a viable option. Whatever,
I mean, how do you possibly do this when you
have no idea what the end game is like? Like here,
here's here's the Charles Robinson who reported most is for y'allhoo,
this is the last. This is the last tweet of
his threat. Okay. Sources say teams have angled for pick
protections in any trade to mitigate a potential NFL suspension

(01:35:22):
or criminal prosecution tied to an ongoing investigation. But the FBI,
Harris County Prosecutor, and Houston p D into sexual assault
allegations for multiple women. That's an what like that? Yeah,
you can't trade for DeShawn Watson? Like what are you doing?
Like that? That's an I mean that that's a that's
a lot happening in that one tweet right there, right, Um,

(01:35:44):
and all of it's true, and you can't if you're
a team, you can't trade for DeShawn Watson right now. Right.
That's not even putting up any kind of moral judgment
or or assigning blame or guilt. It's just this is
in the parameters of what could happen out of a trade,
right he doesn't show up in the locker room and
necessarily become your guy for the next three years. He

(01:36:05):
could be put on the league could finally act, or
there might be action on the civil and criminal sides
of this investigation in short order, leaving him unavailable for
your squad. Yeah, so for years. So you know, the
Texans are in a spot that I think they're waiting
for the NFL decide what to do. The NFL is

(01:36:26):
not doing any of it, And um, I'm curious if
we get coaching the season where you where the NFL Finally,
the NFL can't go into Week one with Watson on
the roster and just not playing, like just refusing to
go in the facility. That that's just something that I
don't the NFL could afford to do. Optics always what
they're looking at protecting the shields. Hey, coming up next,

(01:36:50):
we're gonna get back into the evaluation of the preseason.
We talk wind totals, and we love going through right
you do it in local radio. I know you're out
there going all right. Week seven, we're gonna play these
guys that we're gonna bury them all right when uh
and you do all that fun stuff coming out of
the preseason. We're gonna look at a couple of those
win totals and and Jeff's got some ideas on some
teams that maybe we need to rethink our calibration of

(01:37:13):
and and get those calls eight seven, seven ninety nine
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(01:37:37):
us as part of your team. Wherever you're at, heading
too and from maybe a nice brunch, maybe a mimosa's
in the future. Maybe you've got one next to your
lips right now. I don't know. I'd be fair. I
would love everyone to listen to us, but you have
a mimosa. Listen to Fox Sports Radio. God bless you.
It's what I'm all about. You know. We bring everybody
this right, we were broadcasting here. But yes, I'm thinking

(01:37:59):
the Momos says need to need to start early. Uh,
Like it's eleven thirty East Coast time, just about right,
so it's a brunch in time. It is brunch of time,
that is. Yes. Well, we've got a pretty cool Mexican
restaurant down the down the street from us here in
one of the malls, and they have about a four
hour brunch and the big As much as you love

(01:38:22):
the food they have, uh, they really do sell the
mimosa part of the experience. Well, I mean, look, you
have you have me at you know, two pound burrito,
but the mimosa certainly doesn't hurt. I had a place.
I had a place in Chicago that literally the branding
of the place was Burritos as big as your head.

(01:38:43):
And because my my nickname, right, the swollen Dome came
out of doing TV and videos over at Fox sports
dot Com, Jeff, where we couldn't get a graphic behind
me without really moving where the camera set ups were. Um,
I was curious how that came about. But now, man, well,
and it's Sunday morning, so that's the that's the angle

(01:39:04):
we're gonna go with. It became funnier after that, but
folks can go down that path if they need to.
But also when I was in eighth grade, I got
the first version of air helmets because my school didn't
have a helmet big enough from my head. Ah, they
had to have an extra make sale for me. Bruce
bo No, not quite that big. At one point, I

(01:39:27):
think the biggest hat I had to where I was
an eight. Your your head's gone downside and it actually,
I don't know if I went reverse Barry Bonds. So
now I'm actually comfortably fitting into a seven and three
quarter and depending on how the hats fit, occasionally Barry Bonds.
I had not heard that before. Well, you know, it's

(01:39:49):
it's shrunk. I mean they say you shrink anyway, right
as you get older, you know, the back and scoliosis
and all that stuff starts to come in and and
maybe you lose an inch off your height. Unfortunately I
never got the old growth. But maybe that's happening from
my head size well, which means maybe I've just spouted
off so much on radio that the knowledge is leaving me.
That's probably more like it, I feel like. So it's

(01:40:10):
all the hot hair is being lost, that feels that
feels more more applicable here like a damn balloon at
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(01:40:32):
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heart of it and nobody outside of me, I think,
loves the offensive line and shows you show it demonstratively,

(01:40:54):
you know, the good, the bad, the ugly as it were.
And and the clip you just put out at the
end of that preseason game. Yeah, that's the thing that
makes me cry, right because I go back to remember
when the Cults reports came out and everybody started losing
their mind about Carson Wentz. My first response was, how's
Quinn Nelson and how fast is he coming back? Because

(01:41:15):
that team don't work if he ain't there. It does
feel like, um, like he is not gonna be ready
the same time Wentz as ready, which is unfortunate. It
does feel like Wentz might be back um soon or later,
which is good because they just lost Ellinger for a
good month and a half. Okay, playing your screwed anyway,

(01:41:35):
so well that that's all. That's a whole other part.
But when you lose a guy that would be you know,
number two, with Wentz maybe missing a couple of games
off the jump, you know, the acceleration, uh, certainly does
help there. Either that or you go get Nick Foles
because everybody, everybody should trade for Nick Foles. Jeff, don't
you know that? Why is this a thing? Still? No,

(01:41:57):
it's not. I I say it with all the sarc
him that I can. That's a guy that watched it
last year. Uh. And then all of a sudden, Mitchell
Robinski's averaging thirty points again. Look, Naggie, you let these
young guys roll out and actually make plays with their
legs and extend the field. All those guys that played
seven on seven ball, they can make that throw if
you let them. But that's but that's me, uh to

(01:42:20):
that end we talked about but I'm not a fan.
I am not And and look I saw and looked
up another injury by the way go ahead offensive lineman
Sam Tevy who was their left tackle at the moment.
Eric Fisher, who they signed is supposed to um be
back at some point, but probably not soon enough. And

(01:42:42):
then we had the news of the t Y Hilton
shoulder slash neck injury. It sounds like a hockey injury.
Upper body, yeah, specificity there. Um, that's an interesting just
upper body. I love how the you know, in college,
especially right because there's no injury report, they'll they'll just
tell you like, oh, he has a it's a leg,
it's a leg, it's an arm, it's a back, and

(01:43:02):
it feels like, oh, it's an upper back. But guess
what when when injury reports starts to happen a week one,
he has been the injury reports, so you get more
of a of an actual diagnosis when that happens. Get
it dialed down just a little bit. But that's one
of the team's look a popular team for popular people. Uh,
perhaps to emerge from the a f C South. You've
got Indianapolis, Tennessee. We already talked about Houston, and we

(01:43:24):
talked a lot about Jacksonville. If you missed any of it,
podcast will be up in an hour and a half
from now, and I'll be chopping up bits of of
oral goodness, uh to make you smarter throughout the week
as well. But we sit here and the list I'm
looking at Vegas Insider has both the Colts and Titans
as nine win teams. Um. Yeah, we just did this

(01:43:45):
actually from my podcast, as you mentioned, Jeshua to smart
and you we go through once a week. Um uh,
divisions by by drew geographical divisions, so north and south,
you know north North, an f C or whatever. So
I just butcher that entire podcast. You got it out.
My podcast is smarter than I just give a description
of what we do. One small small blip in the

(01:44:08):
extemporania speaking, because if you haven't noticed, we've really not
really gone anywhere near the grid that I'd laid out
on on the evening follow rundown. No, absolutely, why why bother?
The conversation gets better going elsewhere. Take the spider ring
effect and make it, make it breathe. So we were
talking with the a f C South in our last podcast,

(01:44:30):
the South and the North and the NFC and the
a f C, because it's both both are kind of
blaw and I think with the Colts is okay. So
let's let's say Carson Wentz. All right, so if he's
back week one, and what were your expectations for Carson Wentz?
Just a guy? Okay? Correct? So last year he was

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the worst quarterback in the NFL. That I'm not we're
not debating that that's true. If he improves fifteen sixteen spots,
he goes from the worst to middle of the pack
in one year. That's very good, guys, very good improvement
in one year. Now year two, you can expect maybe
a jump from fifteen sixteen up to maybe top ten, okay,
lower top ten if he's average this year and could

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have a good roster. That that doesn't Philip rivers. Last
year it was an average, right like, it was just
above average. So you're not you're not in a better place.
Now you might win nine or ten game, and then
the number is sort of about right. I would not
wager on either way, nor over or under. Um so,
but people expect this, this huge jump from wins and guys,
why don't you what in the history of the NFL

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or what in Carson wentz St specifically leads you to
believe that his twenty seventeen season has been the outlier
of his career so far. It was the year when
he was obviously an MVP caliber quarterback, third down, red
zone efficiency off the charts. He has not been that
guy since that season, so stop talking about the year

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that was the outlier. I thought about what he is.
He is a work in progress and now he missed
almost all training camp, comes back, we won. I don't
have highots for the coolse now again, left tackle out
for the season. Hopefully Fisher as ready, um soon whence
Quinnell is coming back, t Y Hilton is hurt now

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like it is? It just um it? I don't expect
a lot for them this year. Yeah, you can run
the football right, you got a three headed monster because
Marlon Mack comes back, mahe and behind will be active
as a pass catcher because they're not very deep at
wide receiver. I like Michael Pittman Jr. But beyond that
it's pretty thin, right, You're looking at more of you know,

(01:46:41):
some Jack Doyle action over the middle. But Carson Wentz
is a guy that lost all confidence last year just
teaming up with with Frank Reich. And I'm all for
sports psychology and the idea of, uh, you can find
some success with a guy. But as you said, that's
four years ago, and he was a shell of himself
playing last year and they had a shuffled offensive line.

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You can go down a number of reasons why why
other things happened in Philly, but that was a guy
that didn't play with any accuracy, through with no confidence,
and eventually, once the heat got really bad for his job,
he folded. Yeah, And here's the thing about about the
confidence is the reasons why, the reasons why he was

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what wasn't confident. It's kind of alarming to me, right,
Um oh he uh you know he um what is it? He?
You know? He they dropped Jalen Hurts. Okay, their job
as an organization to draft your replacement, as we do
every year. Right, they just signed you to a long
term contract. They're very That's how a NFL team showed
their loyalty. They signed you to a contract, and they

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signed him to and he just lost all faith himself
because they Jalen Hurts, like, come on, Carson, come on, man.
Their job is to is to go ahead and get
players to replace you. That's the front officer's job. Like
grow up, man, like have some confidence in your abilities
to play football. And as much as Aaron Rodgers was
pissed about Jordan Love being drafted, guess what he did

(01:48:08):
last year? He won the freaking m v P. Right,
he went out and showed everyone, Hey, yeah, that might
have bothered me, but guess what, I still got it.
I'm gonna do it. Carson went with the opposite direction
when the tape because of it, and so I have
I do have concerns about his confidence level heading this season,
even with Frank Rex's quarterback. There you go. I'm glad
you grabbed Aaron Rodgers because that was one of the
points I tried to make in the whole saga, one

(01:48:30):
that he'd come back and he'd played with the Packers
for one anyway, because they weren't going to trade him.
The other being, you know, not everybody's Tom Brady. So
as soon as you get to the back end of
your thirties, in theory, they should be drafting a replacement. Right.
Going back to that same year, seen when Aaron Rodgers
went out. They were a winning club, they had a roster,
and then Brent Huntley had to come in and be

(01:48:51):
their quarterback, and you saw what happened to what was
a pretty good roster really fast. Um. Yes, and so
that it's it's important to look at all this uh
in in totality, right, And so I just I'm worried
that Carson Wentz. I just don't think he's gonna be Um,
I don't think it's good as people hope he will

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be all right. So we'll take the under there. Let's
get one more team in before we go to Ilo. Uh.
Is there one team that after watching the couple of
weeks of work behind the scenes, plus the preseason action
you know with the ones or whatever you know, point
you you shifted to another game or had to deal
with the kids and start reading books to him to
get him to bed. Uh that stood out to you

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positively or negatively? Um? I I think I mean Arizona.
I was holding at on them that I told you
earlier that I think for me it's the Vikings, not
that I was high on them, but I think I'm
out out of the Vikings. I'm just I'm done. Look,
I know that it's not fun to talk about COVID anymore,
right because it's just we're there's a there's a you know. Uh,

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I don't even what was tired of it, right, Um,
but it is a big part of the season this year.
If your quarterback is not vaccinated, it worries me, all right,
because the way the NFL has their protocols is um
is set up to where it's very tough unvaccinated players,
right and set up and we're not I'm not talking
about whether that's fair or not, but nonetheless, that's the

(01:50:18):
way it is. If your cousins you're not vaccinated at
any point, a close contact would cause you to miss
five days. And that close contact doesn't have to be
in the facility, right, someone in your personal life, maybe
there's someone in the facility. You're out five days at
any point of the year. Um, Yeah, it's kind of
kind of important right when you're the starting quarterback of

(01:50:39):
the team. If you get COVID you're out two weeks.
That's there between making the playoffs and not. So I'm
out the vikings, man, I'm just I'm out on them,
um I. And that's that's one of the reason why. Yeah,
it's it's one that that stands out right Nauseaia McKenzie
was fined earlier this week, went to and and he
went and he vaccinated. He's like, all right, for the

(01:51:01):
greater good is how he posted it. And I don't
know if the fine is the thing that suddenly is
your come to reality moment, but you have about seven
percent of the league that is still as of yet unvaccinated,
based on the NFL reports of such earlier in the week. Jeff,
and to me, you know, we always talk about availability,
and you can speak to this far more and better

(01:51:23):
than I can. But how many times have a guy
taken a shot or a quick procedure on the sideline
to get back in to make sure they don't miss
a series or a game or whatever it is right
standing in line week after week. You don't know what
the long term effect of that is. Necessarily, I know
they have to tell you, hey, this could happen, this
could happen, but you you make a risk even just

(01:51:45):
going between the white lines with every play. Yeah, it's
here's I made this point. It's like, so I understand
talking about this, but it's part of the Okay. So look,
I understand. If you're sitting at home right now and
you don't have the resources to talk to world class
doctors about the vaccine, Okay, I get it. Um right,

(01:52:10):
you don't have access to professionals that you can sit
down with and you can ask any question you want to.
The skepticism on your part. You go to someone and
you have you know, and you have you can talk
to about skepticism you have and should you take it?
Should you not? What if side effects do? Okay? I
get that. If you are in a situation in your
life where you can't do that, that's not excuse for

(01:52:30):
NFL players. Cole Beasley or anyone else who has questions
about the vaccine can call their team doctor who could
put them in contact with and a specialist who have
spent their entire life doing this work. Okay, and Cole
Beasley or anyone else musing them, for example, can talk
to that doctor, the epidemiologist, of viralogist, whoever you whoever

(01:52:52):
they choose one on one zoom phone call, maybe even
travel will visit them, or maybe the team brings that
the person in and we saw I think the vikings
I think just recently brought into someone else. Right to
talk to the team, you yes, any question you want,
and you could be informed on what is in the vaccine,
what it does, and whatnot. Because if you sit there

(01:53:12):
and talk to a specialist, I have a hard time
believing that after you're done doing that, you're still gonna
have the stance you have. And what bothers me about
what the players are talking about is they're saying things
that again you can get information from reliable sources and
reliable people who again who have spent their life's work
doing this and talk to them about it and be

(01:53:35):
more educated. But players just don't want to do that, right,
And it's frustrating when I see players talk about the
vaccine and COVID in a way where again they're not
doing that. Again, I understand if you're in a situation
and your own personal life where you cannot go seek
those medical professionals like NFL players came. But we can
do that, right. We have access to those professionals, and
sometimes teams are bringing them in um and they're they're

(01:53:57):
they're speaking to the team. You know, when Monte Sweat
say something like, oh, I don't need the experts talk
to me. Excuse me, expertly talk to you. I mean
like that, it's a job, right, Just like you would
turn to a coach who has spent their life teaching
a position that you that you are trying to learn,
you should trust the people who spent their life learning
about viruses like it just it blows my mind. The

(01:54:20):
NFL players again, I'm not taking advantages of the resources
that are in front of them. Yeah, and Washington is
a whole other thing when you start talking about the
recent health history. And I played for Ron Rivera, okay
for only one season, but I've seen him in Charlotte
and Charlotte. I've sen him in Chlotte, I've seen his
wife and Charlotte. They're great family. I love talking to
coach and his wife as well. If if you are

(01:54:42):
on the Washington football team and you don't have respect
for Ron Rivera enough to go get this to protect
him and protect yourself and your teammates, I don't tell you, man,
because like, how do you not respect coach Rivera. It's
and so I I just it blows my mind. Man,
I concur at Jeff Schwartz where you find him on
later on Mike Armen find me over at Swollen Dome.

(01:55:02):
Coming up back Why Jeff went viral a bit in
the social media sphere, but first it's Isaac, Mike and Jeff.
Multiple outlets report that the Baltimore ravensphere that running back
j K. Dobbins suffered a season ending left knee injury
and yesterday's preseason game against the Washington football team. At
last report, Dobbins was undergoing in m r I. This morning,

(01:55:26):
Stephen Holder and Zach Kiefer of The Athletic report the
Culture receiver t Y Hilton is expected to miss multiple
weeks with an injury, but the injury is not considered
season ending. Adam Schefter adds that Hilton's injury is an
upper backslash neck injury. Now, Mike Wells has reported that
Colt's offensive lineman Sam Tevy has a torn a c

(01:55:48):
L and will be out for the season. We've got
three preseason games today, the last three NFL preseason games
this year. The first kicks off about eighty minutes from
now is the Dallas Cowboys host the Jacksonville Jaguars. That
at four pm Eastern, the Miami Dolphins will be at Cincinnati,
and the San Francisco forty Niners hosting their former Bay

(01:56:10):
Area arrival, the now Los Vegas Raiders. And let me
tell you something. Back in the day when both teams
are in the Bay Area and when the Niners played
at Candlestick and the Raiders played at the Coliseum, them
parking lots, those were quite the places to be before
and after those Raiders forty Niners preseason games. Not a

(01:56:32):
place for the faint of heart, let me tell you,
Michael Jeffeck. Also not places you were able to get
in and out of, like Dodger Stadium here. And early
reports out of so far people people are actually saying
that there are people still in those parking lots of
the Colisseum and Candlestick, even though Candlestick literally does not
exist anymore. That's how some great real estate developments out

(01:56:55):
there on the point right now. Let me tell you
if you maybe the Pac twelve will build. Uh, I'm
sorry too soon another headquarter over there, don't Larry Scott anymore.
No luxury set. The pac Twell was going to move
that at some point um and maybe it is Los Angeles.
I didn't end up in Vegas, but they'll they'll profit
on that land now, so that's good. The real estate
market should have helped. Yes, it's definitely, definitely, I'm very

(01:57:19):
happy to have a new commission of PacTel conference. I
have no doubt you do, as he's now part of
the alliance. All Right, Coming up next, Jeff went viral. Uh,
it's and it's also the first time we've heard the
name of Jadeveon Clowney in a while. We'll get into
that coming up next year on Fox Sports Radio, Fox
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Slash yes based on a one Nielsen report. Limitations do apply, Jeff,
I was happy to see in the trending for a spell. Uh,

(01:58:03):
your name pop up and I said, oh, what did
you do? And it was well, you you took the
task a guy who once upon a time was one
of the most feared defensive ends in the National Football League.
But since I can't do a time heist, it doesn't
exist in that world anymore. Yeah. J Javan Clowney said
that he likes playing against Cards because they're an athletic,

(01:58:24):
and well, he's not wrong. I just feel like a
guy who had zero sacks and nine games last year
should not be talking about the offensive line of disparaging Wait.
I mean, look, if you if you want to include
the year before that, he averaging one point five sacks
in the last two years, and it just feels like
you shouldn't be talking if you can't actually hit the quarterback.
I don't know, it seems seems like a weird thing

(01:58:46):
to do. Look like I wouldn't say something like I'm
the best looking guy ever when I'm not, you know,
I mean like he shouldn't talk about winning pass rush
ups when he doesn't. Well, but you can always say
you know what I'm you know, there's ways to say
it to where you are, you know, as good looking
as anybody else. In the world. Sure, I think is

(01:59:06):
the way to do it. But for Jadeveon Clowney, he
comes in and and maybe and maybe hanging out with
Myles Garrett, some of those numbers will show up again.
But we go back to where he was at nine sacks,
but three over the last two years and a lot
of times where health is an issue. And frankly, you know,
I'm the last guy I think in this business to

(01:59:27):
question a man's heart. But there are times where he
didn't look like he wanted to be playing football. It's
like Randy Moss that last year in in Oakland where
he was clearly done with them. I think he's played
seven years, had thirty two and a half sacks. Now,
people will argue, and I'm not gonna here to to
descry with them. The hell he gets a lot of
pressures and therefore the sacks and numbers just don't come.

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I mean, sure there's times he has done that, but
in the end you get paid for for for him.
That quarterback. He doesn't do it at the level that
we thought he would do when he was drafted. And
obviously very you know that that that virul hit against
South Carolina. Uh, he gets Michigan when he was on
South Carolina. You kind of went a long way in
and people's perception of his play built the myth for sure, uh,

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for for many a year. And that's you know, you
you made a your trade. If you were able to
market in n f T see that tie it all
together market and n f T, you would have made
a lot of money off that back in the day.
And certainly the name, image and likeness there there, Yes,
and I l would have changed a lot for a
lot of players, no question. That's a whole other um
multi hour long core ted talk for you, and I yes,

(02:00:36):
because I love it. I think there's so so much good.
There's obviously going to be some unintended consequences of it
all as it were, But I just wonder and then,
like my old old Saban like thing, just in in
locker rooms, I was wonder, if there's ever a divide

(02:00:57):
we get to have that have not in terms of
the players when money starts flown? Does that happen in
the NFL? Do do you think that's a problem. Well,
they're all getting paid though, sure, but there's guys getting
paid a lot more and so sure, but but you're
still making money as opposed to this guy signed a
deal you know too, for raising canes or whatever, and
I got no I got no steak. But I'm the

(02:01:18):
guy that blocks for him, but maybe as an offensive line,
and I'm not able to I think I think they're
mature enough to understand that that that's the case. Um,
And I'm not concerned about that. I mean, that's only
unintended consequence. This thing went perfectly. Yeah, I look on
the whole it's it's just get funny to watch how
the market plays grows. It's a it's a much longer conversation.

(02:01:41):
I had it more nuanced. At at one point we
did a brief breakdown of it. But usually I try
to try to talk anything of economics of games with
my guy Smith, and his eyes glaze over and he
starts talking about dose, going, uh, yeah, we will not
probably I won't talk about dose cording. Get back into
our our clip of n f T S from earlier. Hey,

(02:02:03):
let's get into the Saints, uh and their quarterback situation.
Jamis Winston, the guy Taysom Hill and what's next for
Sean Payton. He's Jeff Schwartz. I'll buy carbon and this
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(02:02:25):
live Great Eggs. Final hour of the program for us
today here on a beautiful Fox Sports Sunday, I am
still laboring through a replay of the Jets and the Eagles.
Jeff and I just watched the quarterback get blown up. Uh,
pretty soon that'll be Gardner Minshew having his opportunity to
do that as a member of the Philadelphia Eagles. Talked

(02:02:48):
about the trade, talking about all the injuries the NFL
coming on us fast and furiously. Uh do you go
to two days now? Or or what's training look like
for you as we get through the end of the preseason.
So this is this is much different because this year,
because the three games preseason ends at least much earlier
than usual. Normally, the last the last game was the

(02:03:09):
Thursday before Labor Day weekend, um, and then you made
your cuts and you were, you know, back on campus
Sunday getting ready to play a week later. Because of
the schedule this year, the last preseason game is this today,
Remember one tomorrow actually, and then it's you're off. I mean,
you're basically doing nothing until you play Week one. So
I don't know what they're gonna do. I should have
some practices, keep guys in shape. Uh, I get ready

(02:03:31):
to play the season. But it's different. I've never been
part of this new schedule. Yeah, it's crazy going down
to three weeks. Obviously we add a week seventeen, so
I get to celebrate and Smith hates me for it,
but I celebrated all the all two fifty six. I
don't care what the logo is on the side of
the helmet. Wanted an investing slash betting opportunity. There's fantasy

(02:03:52):
implications and damn it, I just love football, Jeff, So
you give me another sixteen games. I'm there. Oh, I'm
I'm I'm in on an all. So you know, even
as we have some of these quarterback quandaries, we got
one settled. Uh. Some folks unhappy about it. Why because
they wanted to see Taysom Hill run around for the
New Orleans Saints. Jamis Winston. Uh, he talked called it

(02:04:15):
going to graduate school. When he arrived in New Orleans
working behind Peyton and Drew Brees a year ago. Remember
the thirty thirty club that we always heralded in baseball
because we talked to a baseball at the start of
the show. It's only appropriate that we at least tied here.
Remember when that was such a huge deal with Alfonso
Soriano and Jose can Say and all those guys back, well,

(02:04:37):
you know, and now we got show hey on Tonys
like he went and the twenty stolen bases is a
big deal. I really wish that would come back and
we had more guys running around like Vince Goldman. But
we don't. I mean, there you go back back when
he was pre we well, yeah, I mean people see

(02:04:58):
the before and afters Kim and Sammy Sosa when he
was while he should there's no question about it. I
come back to all of this, not not just for
for the uh you know, we we get default. I
think many do to the well, if you take his
numbers from before this year, like it's a museum, people,
you celebrate guys that thrilled you, Guys that moved the

(02:05:19):
turnstyle and and and there's no positive test other than
the size of his hat and speculation. The commissioner who
oversaw the steroid era who did not care about that
set Era is now in the Hall of Fame as well.
So what what what? What? You know? Who? Who are
we kidding here? Baseball profited from it. All the sportswriters
who claimed to be above above it were the same

(02:05:42):
ones that cheered and wrote about it and made millions
and millions of dollars covering it. I mean, baseball didn't
test for steroids until Congress got involved. I mean, it's
just so silly that Bond is a sacrificial I mean
mostly because we didn't like him, right, I mean, I'm
a giant sun I liked him, but I mean he
didn't like him. Because there's there's a ton of what guys.
There's players coming up who have been linked to steroids,

(02:06:03):
who people very much like, and they will be in
the Hall of Fame, and it's gonna drive me insane
as a as a Bond and I'd say, look, put
him in, right, you can have a higher threshold for
people that have used Bonds, Clemens, whatever else. But the
fact of the matter remains talked to anyone who played
at that time, Barry Bonds was the most feared hitter
because he was the best hitter steroids or not. I've

(02:06:25):
always wanted, you know, we memorabilia being a big thing
in the in the pandemic era, we've seen a lot
of a lot of people alternative assets, and we joked
about cryptocurrency and announcers trying to wrap their head around
n f t s. But we've also seen game use
memorabilia go for record amounts. I've yet to see one
of those arm guards go up for sale, because I
want one of those on my wall. The Bonds, yeah, yeah, yeah,

(02:06:50):
some of my favorites. Look, I actually had a very positive,
very Barry Bonds experience back in the day, So I'll
throw this out. I started remember the All Star Game
back when they rolled out Teddy Ball game and and
had their All Century Team celebration, such a big deal,
all these luminaries and and and and they put out
a coffee table book and my my brother was able

(02:07:12):
to go to a signing they did in Chicago. It
was expensive book, fifty bucks for a hardcover book. People like,
what are you doing? But all these great photos from
the archives. And they did a thing where if you
you showed up, Aaron and may Is signed it, right,
and they did three of those, I couldn't get to
any of them. It wasn't geographically possible for me to
make it work. But my brother was able to get
me a copy, and I started making that a little

(02:07:34):
bit of a quest, as it were. So they had
the guys that were voted into the All Century, and
then there were some pictures of some other players, and
they celebrated the five tools of baseball, and there was
a picture of Bonds in there. And he did a
signing up in San Francisco, and with most everything else,
like he charged more than the the old timers. And

(02:07:54):
try to explain the economics of him sitting there based
on the contracts he'd signed whatever else. But you know,
that's a thing for another time. But I get up
to the front of the line, and you know, he
looks like he's partially engaged. But he sees this book
and he's like he looks at the page and he
looks up at me and just starts kind of thumbing
through on my go ahead, and he sees that it's

(02:08:15):
already been signed by a bunch of other luminaries, right,
and then you see the Errand and Maze page, and
he goes, this is the coolest thing I've seen all day.
He goes, where do you want it? Where? Like which pen? What?
And he he grabbed it and signed it. I'm like,
there you go, I got my engagement. Like he thought
it was the greatest thing. Uh. So you know, and
I'll take the positivity. But to your point about guys

(02:08:35):
that made all their money. Uh and and we know
who they are because they've also recused themselves over the
violence of football after all these years. Yeah, I'm not
even gonna skirt it. I've talked about Bob Costas and
the sanctimonious finger wagging for as long as I've been
on the radio. Uh. He and many others. They made
millions when it was convenient and and damned and condemned

(02:08:56):
the game when it when it was convenient as well.
And Barry Bonds is one of those guys that gets
caught up in the francas hell. The Cubs just announced
the Hall of Fame. They're not putting Sammy Sosa in.
They're they're inducting like sixty guys and somehow omitting a
guy that put more butts and seats and gave them
more highlights in a four year period than pretty much

(02:09:16):
anybody outside of Ron Santo in the booth. So you know,
it's just like this is why you know, I think
this medium is great over the office of course, Twitter
and even TV sometimes, right because you have the opportunity
to talk through a lot of nuance when it comes
to these subjects, and part of it I hear. And
I'm not just saying this is from from your end,
but you know you hear. You know, well, so some McGuire,

(02:09:38):
all these guys, they should all be it's like slow down,
slow down, you know, those guys, especially McGuire. Right, there's
there's cause to believe that he was routing almost his
entire career, and Barry Bonds was not. He had four
hundred home runs and four hundred stolen bases. It was
batting over three hundred, had three m vps, eight golden gloves,
believe or not. Actually this is the top of actually no,

(02:09:59):
pretty well if you can understand, and he he had
all that before he started using steroids. Okay, we know
when he started because he admitted it, and he could
tell by his numbers. And mind you, he only had
over fifty home runs once in his career because it
was kind of like the Hank Aaron, Right, You're just
you're you're there and you're consistent. So so it is,

(02:10:22):
it is so. So can Sosa make the claim that
his career is Hall of Fame without steroids, No, Kim McGuire,
No bonds can though, right, And sure you want to
punish him for the next three hundred home runs he
hit while he was juicing, fine, but he also hit
against juicing players as well, pictures that were juicing as well.
He had a season we had two hundred and thirty
two intentional walks, which is just imagine giving one pitch

(02:10:44):
a game, hitting for home run. I mean that that's
what he was doing. He was so dialed in, UM,
And for all those reasons, I think he should be
a Hall of Famer. But again, Sosa put in the
Cubs Hall of Fame, fine, but I'm not sure he's
a Hall of Fame baseball player. Again, first, the steroid era,
I would use a higher bars, a higher bar. It
feels fair enough. Um And uh, I just don't think

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people UM can can talk with that nuance about these subjects.
Oh and that's the beauty of it. And I love
this long form. That's why we have the four hours.
And and the snap too, Grid is it doesn't matter.
We're talking. We're two guys that love sports and and
all of the different permutations of it and the eras
of it. And and as you said a little bit earlier,

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it's like there are so many guys in just they
didn't have the the rep right. Barry Bonds wasn't particularly
light by a lot of sports riders. Sammy Sosa, for
a lot of folks in Chicago, he was polarizing, you know,
not only because he went in one offseason from being
a well forty forty guy potentially if he stopped, you know,

(02:11:48):
trying to swing at the pitch that was three ft
off the plate as he did as a youngster win
Texas and with the White Sox. But to the player
that he became, but he was a guy for that
team that when you talk about all time great it's
like you may not have liked the end of it,
but sure as how celebrated the moments along the way.
And I wouldn't argue him for necessarily the the Baseball Hall,

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but certainly when you're acknowledging all the greats of your team,
then you have it. But but it goes to the
era as a whole, and you have to wrap your
arms around it as a whole, because there's a number
of guys that are in just because they didn't enjoy
the same notoriety and celebrity on a national level and
still aggregated those numbers, and that they get the pass

(02:12:31):
and they get the Cooper's down because remember, Jeff, you know,
not only are you you sought after for speaking engagements,
the autograph signings. You get to add that seventy five
bucks a pop for that inscription, and that adds up
over time. Pete Rose, that's the biggest regret, right, as
many autographs as he signed, as many inscriptions, he'll never
be able to add his name to all those multi

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signed Hall of Fame pieces. No, he won't. And um
it's it's it's a whole other thing. It's different than
than than this. Um yeah, I mean that's that's part
of it. And you know, when Canseco said that about
seven percent of players were using steroids at the time
and everyone kind of laughed at him, I kind of
think he was closer to being right than wrong. If

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you look at the number of players during that era
who were just big and bulky who who looked different, right,
who hit as many home runs as they did. And
there's players, by the way, who people just refuse to
think you steroids that I'm there's I just smile to
my face because I can picture a couple right off
the jo Okay, and we're not. We're not having this
discussion this morning. I'm not. I'm not gonna get a

(02:13:34):
bunch of tweets about it. Yeah, I get it. One
of them playing with a bunch of guys who use steroids,
and he just happened the only one who didn't but
still hit fifty home runs. It's like, okay, that's all right. Um,
Remember steroids doesn't make you It doesn't have to make
you massive, right, there's plenty of players a Deep Gordon
test deposit for using Bartola cologne. Okay, and don't make
you massive. The point of really more h H and

(02:13:55):
steroids it's j H is it helps you recover, right,
So it helps you in between a long season to
be able to knock get so worn down. So each
game you play you have the energy and the hand
eye coordination and the mental capacity to still play at
a high level each night. It's not really about adding
to a whole run. It's it's adding five to seven

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to eight feet, which is the difference can often be
in a home run. But just because you're you're fresh,
you know your mind is fresh, your body fresh, quick
twitch muscles are fresher. It's not about adding like this
bulking weight on. So um, it just seems that we
give guys we'd like a pass, and guys we don't
like get get at the brunt of it. I there's again,
there's a couple of guys that I don't understand why

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they get a pass for not using steroids when multiple
teammates of theirs have admitted using and and I just
it just strikes me as oh we we we like
that guy. He had a sweet swing as the way
he was using steroids, all right. I mean maybe he wasn't,
but I'm just saying that, Like it's I don't know
how we can just automatically dismiss someone in that era
for using steroids. Absolutely, I'm a hundred percent in agreement.

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We uh, we look at that baseball era, we celebrated
it at its time, and now everybody gets paid to
wag their fingers uh and and say how wrong it
all was. Like all right, give back all of the
column money that you spent praising player X, Y or z.
Uh in the process. Uh, we'll get back into the
National Football League. I love this. This is just uh

(02:15:24):
fun back and forth guy. You might as well you
have those mimosas folks, if you're already drinking one. I'm
forty five minutes away from finding my way to one,
and I'll raise one in your honor, Jeff. Hopefully you'll
do the same as we get out and about on
a Sunday. We appreciate you giving us a few minutes
of your time. Iowa Sam, Isaac Nick and Chris Perfett earlier.

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Uh making it sound oh so good across these Fox
Sports Radio airwaves. Uh. He at Jeff Schwartz where you
find him on Twitter. Find me over at Swall and Dome.
Coming up next, something to believe in, rookie quarterbacks, the
locker room, and of course circling back to New Orleans
and Jamis Winston. We'll do that next here on Fox.
Great Eggs. Welcome back in It's Fox Sports Sunday, Fox

(02:16:08):
Sports Radio. So much action already going. Uh international soccer.
I've got replays of NFL exhibition games. We've got a
full slate of Major League Baseball. I've got live betting
odds in front of me, horse racing later today that
perhaps uh, some handicapping to be done, Jeff. There's so
much to do, and it's Sunday, It's supposed to be

(02:16:30):
a RESTful day, but the mind races with opportunity, Yes,
and and real quickly. UH, thoughts out there for people
in Louisiana. The videos coming out from Uh, it's about
hurricane Hope everyone was able to get out in yeah
and be safe. The videos are pretty terrifying coming out
of Louisiana. Yeah, we've heard that report of the buses
taking ten hours over what should be a four hour

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ride as Hurricane Ida sets down. It's the anniversary of Katrina,
so one of those dubious anniversary is that you you
commemorate and try to think of the positives that came
out of it for the city, but certainly bracing for
what looks to be another terrible storm. So UH, thoughts,
prayers and obviously everybody I know at the times in

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the pandemic have been hard and people have been hit economically,
job losses and relocations and and whatever else you needed
to do. Maybe you know when your kids were home
from school and and and you didn't have daycare, maybe
it changed your work. Whatever. I implore you if you
can find a couple of bucks at the back end,
forgo the extra drink or coffee or whatever, and contribute

(02:17:37):
to the many charitable organizations that will be doing some
good work, uh and helping the people of Louisiana. So
we we send our best along. I've got some trading cards.
We'll we'll send some percentages uh that way as well,
try to do some some good. Right. It's all about
finding wins, which will do on the sports surface, uh
in about twenty minutes from now. But you know New

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Orleans being one of the one of the quarterback jobs, Jeff,
it was a good segue of talking about competitions and
locker rooms and and feeling that kind of energy. You're
in the league for eight years and then go back
to your time at Oregon and you know when there
was a change of foot and that energy. Maybe it
was a new coaching staff or just the personnel side.

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You know, how how does that work? Right? Because Jamis
was there last year kind of in the building, but
Taysom Hill was the guy even go back to Teddy
Bridgewater the year before that before he moved on. But
the Drew Brees Goes away. Now you're going into the
void of a legend. And and you look at what
Drew Brees meant to the people there and still does.

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And you've got all these other rookie situations. You know,
how does the locker room follow when this kind of
stuff happens. Well, the locker room knows who the better
quarterback is. I promised you that. And um, I've been
in some stoics before when when the guy who wasn't
better got to play and you kind of all look
at each other like, what are we doing here? Right?
I mean, you still go out and you play hard
and you try your best to win, but you look

(02:19:02):
at each other like, what is this? What are we
doing here? Right? This is not this is not this
is not right. We we we know who the better
guy is here. And so, um, I think with in
New Orleans, it was very clear that Jamis Wilson was
the better option. And you have to be able to
play the better option otherwise your team, your team is
out on you as a coach, and and it was
respect for you. So it was clear that that it

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was Winston. And look, I have never understood the taste
of health thing. I don't get it. Um he's getting paid,
taking some money money the backup quarterback. Um, I've never
thought of him as a starting quarterback. I don't really.
I mean, I've said for a while, like I think
he has like new pictures of Sean Payne somewhere. I don't,

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I don't, I don't. I don't get it. Do you
get you watch football? Do you get it? I don't
get it. No. I I've been adamant that Jamis Winston
should have been the guy all along and that should
have never been a conversation. Uh, and taste him. Look,
he's been a guest on our show in the evenings
after land him games and nice guy and and I
love the Swiss army knife approach to it all. But

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in the end under center for sixty snaps, No, no, exactly,
you need to be able to play. To be able
to play, like people cite these stats just like did
you watch Atlanta play last year? Did you see how
bad their defense was? So? Citing me he could play,
And even going into those tapes, it's like there were
times like The one throw that people kept throwing at

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me coming out of Chicago with Justin Fields was did
you see that touchdown pass? It's like, yes, but the
tight end was standing by himself with twenty feet around him.
If he doesn't catch that ball, we've got problems. The
dude moon walked into the end zone. And Taysom Hill
had a couple of those against Atlanta were clearly the
secondary had no idea of, like there's pointing at each

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other and flipping each other off inside the play. So
don't tell me how great this performance was. But Field,
but Fields yesterday though, No, no, no, that that no, No,
that's a that's a whole other game. Jeff, Yeah, there,
I have apples oranges on those throws. But but certainly
when it comes also just to your strategy. If you're

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you're Sean Payton, it's not like you're bringing Jamis Winston
in as your change of pace. You know what's gonna
happen with Taysom Hill. I don't know what is he
Is he gonna take a quarterback draw, Is he gonna
roll out and throw? Is he gonna suddenly shift in
formation and catch a pass from Chimera or whoever? Else
is in. I mean, there's so much you can do
formationally with him that if Jamis Winston on your bench,

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you can't, and you know you totally nullify Taysom Hill's
value as an athlete on your roster. So Jamis Winston
in his career, Tampa has had three seasons where he's
played all sixteen games his first two years there, then
obviously twenty nineteen with Bruce Arias. In those years he's
averaging twenty six touchdowns per season. Obviously the interceptions are

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very high, but excused by that one year because the
other years just on fifteen, eighteen, eleven and thirteen games
and then fourteen and nine years he got benched one
eighteen if you recall for Fitzpatrick, it wasn't great year
for him. Then thirty obviously, uh, in Tampa twenty nineteen
he follows the ball too much. That's also an issue
of his so he doesn't have a turnover concerns. But
now you put him in an offense where the offensive

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line is one of the best the NFL great offensive
line did you don't have that in Tampa. He the
weapons in New Orleans are worse than Tampa. Okay, but
the but the coaching mind, great coaching mind on offense right,
and Sean Payne will find w get to get the
ball up quickly to him, quickly, not to him, but
he will quickly out to the wide receivers who used Kamara,
who use the Russian game. They won't ask him. Bruce

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Arians asked his quarterback to throw the ball down the field.
We saw us last year with with Tom Brady getting
used to playing that offense right downfield, throwing offense. Maybe
that's not when Winston does well. Maybe it is the
short passing game, limit the opportunities for him to throw
interceptions and read the defense. But this lazy surgery thing
is a pretty big deal in my mind. It blows
my mind that a professional quarterback whose job it is

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to see the defense couldn't see Yes, how do you
do that? For so many years and so um. He
clearly gives them the best opportunity to win. Now, the
question is, Mike, is how much winn are they gonna do?
That's up for debay. I don't think it's as much
as maybe Saints fans hope, But I do think that
Winston will play well this year. Yeah, I go back
to you know, the best of Jamis Winston. If you

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can coach away some of the downfield mistakes. And that
comes with all your big armed quarterbacks, right, We've seen
it for years. Guys think they can thread the needle.
And while we celebrate some of the darts right like
we did yesterday with Josh Allen, there's still a lot
of folks that are wondering, all right, is that a
one year wonder or is that going to carry forward?
I was bullish on him back when guys that were

(02:23:42):
working with me on the network we're calling him nothing
but a glorified running back. But I'll leave their names
to the annals of history and the podcast world if
you go and seek those out. But just the idea
that you're with brucearians it was, yeah, put the ball
up and make something happen versus all right, let's work
and efficient offense. Now, Michael Thomas's availability is obviously a

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huge question mark here. Troutman already hurt one of those
fancy UH fantasy sleepers and then callaway like they don't
have the same personnel trait. Kwont Smith hasn't really popped
UH in his couple of years thus far. But you're
in at least a setting where you know and and
we'll find out. Right, And I've asked this question, right,

(02:24:24):
a lot of folks wondered how much is Belichick, how
much is Brady and all that stuff. Well, we get
a little bit of a case study of Drew Brees
being out. How much is Sean Payton and Drew Brees.
Not that you can compare the two, because Drew Brees was,
you know, a surgeon on the field versus what you're
trying to make Jamis in Jamie maybe, but but but

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I think the question is I mean, maybe Jamis can
do that, right, And I want to find out. I
love to find out. Oh, I love the arm I've
been rooting for this, Jeff, believe me. So I'm I'm
very curious how this goes again, like it's it is
gonna be fun to watch in the South. The South
is an interesting division this year. Um, So I'm I'm

(02:25:06):
excited to watch to watch it all unfold in New
Orleans again. Good offensive line weapons needs some work, you
know this cause is it calledwell? Who went into a
couple of touchdome passes during the preseason, Marcus Callaway, Callaway,
I'm sorry, Callaway but a guy that can go out
and get it. He's it is fast as hell, it
is he gets a step? Is it the kid from Florida?

(02:25:27):
I'm forgetting his Um, but I looked that up. Yeah,
we can looked at I think that. You know, the
Saints have not been able to develop any wide receivers,
which has not been great. Um. They just need one
of these guys to pop to kind of help out
Winston when Thomas is still out. He is out of Tennessee, Tennessee. Okay,
the geographically you're there, it's all good. It's all about regionality.

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We made that work. We'll talk more about the rookie
quarterbacks and those battles in a moment, but first let's
kick it over to Isaac Lowan Kron find out why
trending and some of those injury updates. If you're going
to your fantasy draft, let's go a lot of them today,
Mike and Jeff. Multiple outlets reporting that the Baltimore Ravens
fear that running back J. K. Dobbins suffered a season
ending letter yesterday's preseason game against the Washington football team.

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He underwent an m r I this morning and they're
waiting for the results. Stephen Holder and Zack Keeper of
The Athletic report that Indianapolis Colts receiver t Y Hilton
expected to miss multiple weeks with an injury, but the
injury is not considered to be season ending. Adam Schefter
adds Hilton's injury is an upper backslash neck injury. Mike

(02:26:37):
Wells reports that Colts offensive lineman Sam Tevy has a
torn a c L and it's going to be out
for this season. The last three preseason games on the
NFL schedule coming up today, and the first one is
gonna kick off right at the top of the hour
here as the Dallas Cowboys hosted Jacksonville Jaguars. Then at
four Eastern, the Miami Dolphins visit the Cincinnati BEng and

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the San Francisco Forty Niners host their former Bay Area rivals,
the now Las Vegas Raiders, and that will be it
for the NFL preseason. Finally, in Major League Baseball, multiple
outlets report that New York Mets pitcher Noah Synderguard has
tested positive for COVID nineteen despite being vaccinated. Synderguard currently

(02:27:21):
on a rehab assignment in the minor leagues as he
continues to recover from Tommy John surgery last year. Mike
and Jeff back to you. Thank you so much. Ilo.
Follow Ilo on Twitter at Isaac loewen Kron doing a
lot of work with the Chargers as he saw it,
had his rosy colored glasses on a little bit earlier
in the show U Are You Are? So there's a

(02:27:42):
lot of hype on the Chargers this year. It seems
to be every year. Are you Are you buying the
Are you buying the hype? Uh? Can I make sure
they upgraded all the training and medical staff? Yes, because
that's really been you know, as much as you get
excited about them, the problems like Austin Ekeler good two
way back, They've got some depth there. Keenan Allen is

(02:28:04):
statued for days when healthy. Mike Williams, I need more
consistency out of him, right, because that's a guy that
there there are moments where he's huge defensively Derwin James
and maybe the comparison is a little off, but I
see his value to this squad much like when Bob
Sanders was playing defense for the Colts. When he's there,

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it's a different animal. And so can he be healthy? Right?
Because He's another like Sanders used to be great for
eight games and gone, but when he played full seasons
they made runs. Likewise with the Chargers. If he's if
Derwin James isn't there, I fear that that side of
the ball will languish and we'll be back fighting towards
that nine and eight kind of piece. Right again, Yeah,

(02:28:47):
I'm curious at Herbert a year two. You know, there's
some things he needs to work on. A new offense again, Um,
I think he'd be fine, but I'm kind of curious
to see how he does work on some of those issues. Yeah,
it's but that's the thing, right, some of these quarterbacks
and and he's one of them, you know, the change
in offensive philosophy. You bring in a defensive head coach. Uh,
Anthony Lynn and his run first ideas are off to Detroit.

(02:29:12):
So he and Jared Goff will work together. I mean
that staff is the most interesting part of that team.
I'm sorry the longtime, very very interesting staff. That is
very accurate. But here's something that I am kind of
really interesting to see how it plays out. Um in
the NFL with these young a lot of young players
and not just not just with Herbert, but a lot
of the young offensive players. So last year, again they

(02:29:32):
played with almost no crowd noise, and how will they
respond this year to more crowd noise, to actually having
to go on the road, use a silent count and
be prepared to handle the ups and downs of those
road games. Again, they didn't have that last year. Well
you saw it in the preseason game with Jordan's Love

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and the Bills, where the the Bills were able to
generate a delay of game based on noise. They couldn't
get the communication together to get a playoff. I didn't
have to deal with it last year. And so that's
why again, playing these guys in the preseason, I don't know,
I give it a shot. So Bill's mafia in a

(02:30:13):
preseason Jeff getting to that point and that kind of great.
And look how great. I know you're excited about the Bills,
your Bills fan for the season. Right, of course, I've been.
I've been in on Allen since he came in. I
was very wrong in all that's Look, I've been wrong
on so many others. I'm gonna celebrate that damn win
as much as I but here's the thing. To be fair, though,

(02:30:34):
you were kind of lucky because I have no, no
question about, there has been no quarterback who has who
has um proved like that from your two to year three,
who was really a um unproductive quarterback for two seasons.
So look, I think he'll be good again this season.

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But how great was it though? If you're a Bills fans,
even a Bill's player, let's use Bills players, Spills fans.
You saw your challenge play yesterday. He looked good, and
you're like, sweet, we're we're on the path where we
you know, like we're ready to go. I mean that's
why the precesson like it's I think some reps are
good reps. Well, you build up a ladder, right, you
get excited. Look, the one thing I did I did

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feel like last year the fact that you had a
true number one, which wasn't there before in Buffalo. So
bringing in Stefon Diggs, who's basically velcro, and look, his
target account last year was a hundred sixty six. I
mean you know that that's gonna cure a lot of ills.
If you get a you know, an a list wide receiver,

(02:31:36):
it doesn't cure them all right, You still have to
find some things and I have to wonder how much
Jordan Palmer's hourly rate for working with quarterbacks went up
after has done a fantastic job. I've had the opportunity
to work with him a little bit as far as
on the media side, and um, hen he is. He's
obviously bright, but you know, it takes someone special to

(02:31:57):
get the best out of these players. And he does
a great job of using some technology that he has
his hands on. I'd be able to teach and coach
and get the most out of his players. So we're
talking about these quarterback battles like we always put that
in quotes and and it makes for for sexy reading
and clicks. Uh. We have New England, San Francisco, Chicago

(02:32:18):
and Jacksonville. We talked about Uh, Carol and Carol all
I should say we talked about Chicago quite a bit earlier.
For those that missed it podcast Apple podcast, Google Player,
look for Fox Sports Sunday, Schwartz and Harmon. Uh, it'll
be up there. Part of it, you know, wondering, you know,
as you look around the locker room, like you know
who the the guy is, but you're also looking at all, right,

(02:32:39):
what your team is? Right that look in the mirror
right in San Francisco, just a couple of years removed
from the Super Bowl last year. I don't know that
you could find another team. Maybe maybe the Chargers just
composite over a couple of years. But the San Francisco
forty Niners, they dropped like flies. Like it was one
loss after another. You know, all your speed receivers, you're
running back. You lost a bunch of guys on defense,

(02:33:00):
Jimmy went down, but you bring it back. You're like,
all right, there's a potential to run it back with
Jimmy Garoppolo. So you know, how do you play with
the tray Lance? Is he just at least out of
the outset. Is he a change a pace guy that
maybe you can still integrate a little bit in the
early games. So I'm not a big fan of this
kind of two quarterback system. And when I was gonna

(02:33:23):
try to do it, appears it get lands on the field,
but you know in sort of certain packages, right um,
And I just don't know if that's I think it
mixes up the rhythm too much, like Jimmy's having a
good drive. I would you taking about out right to
bring tray Lance? It seems silly, right, um So, I
just I'm not sure that I quite like um them

(02:33:46):
doing that. But I feel that Shanahan wants to play
Lance but knows he might not be ready, so trying
to find specific spots to kind of get his feet
wet in the game. And I think he played sooner
or later because again, Jimmy Garoppolo has not been reliable
with his injury. Now, he's had obviously some successful seasons,
but they also spent a lot of draft capital to
bring in Trey Lance. And and we've seen with even

(02:34:08):
going back to Russell Wilson with the Seahawks, or Pat
Mahomes or even Carson Wentz to an extent, even Jared
Goff who made a Super Bowl but then obviously you know,
didn't win it. That you know, quarterbacks on the rookie
contracts are very valuable because they're they're they're salary suppressed
to what they're really worth, and you're able to build
a roster around those players that you would not be
able to build if you if you paid the quarterback

(02:34:31):
fifty million dollars a year, and the quicker you can
get Tray Lance up to speed and ready to go
is it quicker. You can. You can use that contract
to your advantage and if you wait all season, then
you've just kind of taken away one year out of
that contract. Yeah, it's it's the opportunity of Garoppolo, right,
win win rate. You know, it's not that he doesn't

(02:34:53):
have the big sexy arm. You know, people will make
their comments about him showing up in lifestyle magazines because
of the hair and the look, and that's all fine
and good. In the end, can you win? Uh, And
he's shown that that he can. In New England Cam
Newton last year a roster that was how should we
say depleted would be a nice way to talk about it,
not to mention him getting COVID in the process, but offensively,

(02:35:16):
they went and spent a lot of money And I
think back to that Seattle game. I don't know that
I can capture that every week. But I don't think
I declare him done as so many have. No. I
wouldn't either, And they're they're truly giving him the opportunity
to be the leader of the team this year. They
added a lot of talent back. There's there's this um
the way talking about Bill Belichick since Brady left his interesting.

(02:35:38):
It's been one year. Obviously, you know Belichick the coach
guys are still really good. There was seven and nine
last year with with a roster that's very depleted and
Cam Newton who did not look the same once he
came back from covid. Um the Belichick the g N
hasn't been terribly good until this year when they add
a bunch of players, and again we have to see
how those players end up playing. Right, um, so I

(02:35:59):
had to pay treats. They're gonna run the football, they're
gonna play action pass, They're going to um to just
try to control the tempo of the game so they
don't even be explosive an offense. But they're hoping that
Cam will be part of that offense with his legs,
plash of pass and trip plays off that. So I'm
I'm actually I'm excited to watch Cam played this year.

(02:36:20):
John H. Smith comes in after a good run in
Tennessee and uh, as long as they can keep Hunter
Henry in bubble wrap, maybe he'll be able to make again.
The Nelson aguil Or contracts don't make no sense, but
it ain't my money, so I can't sweat it too much. Jeff,
he's trying to make up for for for his other errors,

(02:36:40):
and basically he's not his ability his inability. So I
should say to um to draft and coach up players,
all right, nine and a half, what do you think
over there you go, We'll take you over nicely done.
All right, Coming up next, we're gonna find some wins.
You referenced an old gun slinging side arm throw in
quarterback a little bit earlier in the show. We're gonna

(02:37:02):
celebrate his most recent accomplishment and get inside your mind
about that path. Coming up next, he's Jeff Schwartz. I'm
Mike Carmen, and this is Fox Sports Sunday. Welcome back
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from now. Across the network, Steve Hartman, your partner on Saturdays,
and Rich Hornberger, former NFL lineman. See we get all

(02:37:27):
the uh, the smarts the lineman look that I used
to do training camp tours, Jeff, and that that's one
of the things I would ask when they'd say, all right,
who do you want to talk to? Like, uh, you know,
the quarterbacks gonna do some ability today. I'm like, I
don't care about him, he's gonna give me coach peak.
I can get that later. Give me the offensive lineman
and one or two guys on defense that are talkers,

(02:37:49):
and I'm good, no doubt about it. We are the
absolute best. And you guys didn't lie about anything. You
guys would give me. Uh sometimes please don't print this yet,
but going on now, those are those are my favorite
trips though, Like it would be the hey, shut that
off for a second. It's like, all right, and then
they'd give me a true evaluation if there was a

(02:38:10):
quarterback battle or something going on with wide receivers. Sometimes
they didn't want it in a column or on radio
the next day, but it was something that you could
put in the back of your head and just keep
it there. Mike Tomblin used to do the same thing
with the Steelers, Like you didn't see that. I'm like,
well it goes you know, you didn't see it. For tomorrow,
whatever you're doing, how about that. It's like, okay, coach,

(02:38:30):
I got you, I understand, and then we'd wink at
each other and move off. Of course, you have to
sometimes that that's how the subject gets made. Relationships, baby,
because I used to find myself on the back backfields
where you'd have the like everybody else wanted to watch
the quarterbacks and everybody working, Like the hell with that?
Give me give me the guys that are in the trenches,
because that's what's gonna matter. And it's hard now with

(02:38:52):
the kind of the new media rules and practice rules
and whatnot, get those make those relationships. Yeah, it's a
much different animal, right, and some of the rules that
are in place, and and we'll see how long those days,
because I gotta imagine for players and for coaches, like, wow,
this is the best. Like as much as it hates
you hate not having that conduit, you can still build
a little of it. But it's gonna be a little

(02:39:15):
more superficial than it was exactly. So we'll see how
that develops. All right, you're ready to find some wins,
I got I got two for you. Let's go flocker
room squabbles, struggling teams, cheaters and no account owners. There's
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But not Mike Hard. That piece here to shine a

(02:39:35):
light on the good at sports with a simple mantra,
find your positivity. Baby. We talked about it all show
Jeff Football's back college football. The glory of those quote
thirty people at the Rose Bowl, with the excitement of
the line I and the hot seat for Scott Frost. Yeah,

(02:39:58):
those columns are all back, and we got to celebrate
it in a glorious you know, we gotta warm up.
We gotta warm up for what starts Thursday, right, and
we go Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Wednesday, all
of those things. We've got so much on tap. I'll
get the face paint out for Northwestern Michigan State on Friday. No,

(02:40:19):
probably not. That's what a game I'm so excited gets
the blood going right Exactly. It's like a nine to
six game to start the season. Hey, hey, hey, the
Wildcats a thirteen point favorites to three. Alright, as long
as we win. But the Wildcats also um trademarked one

(02:40:43):
of Pat Fitzgerald's great quotes, which is good, clean, American fun.
That's the descriptor for college football. So we celebrate that.
Another is a guy who was in between the white
lines starting going back to two thousand four, finally hung
them up. You referenced them earlier. Yes, we celebrate Philip rivers.
And as much as I wanted to do a quick

(02:41:04):
dramatic reading of his postgame quote, nothing compares to hear
and Philip himself. I'll tell you what Thursday and Friday
nights after playing two or fifty something NFL games and
fifty something college games those three years playing at Athens
High School. You know, being around it at Decatur High
growing up, we're my favorite some of my favorite membis.
They really are. They're up there in the top ten.

(02:41:25):
I could sit here and think of a handful. Uh,
it's awesome, and I'm trying to remind these kids of that.
So they embraced it because most of these kids are
gonna play not beyond high school football. We got a handful,
but they'll play at the next level. And that won't
to and I want him to walt to. But I
also wanted to appreciate experiences like that shooter all over
there with their families and classmates and you want a
football game. I told me, be excited, be excited shooting,
and um so it's it's it is, It's awesome, and

(02:41:47):
I'm joining the hecking up now. I can tell you
watching the video clip he could have used, you know,
the water boy and some quality h duo because he
looked a little dehydrated little horse, but the smile on
his face, Jeff, that was every Talking about high school football,
they won forty nine nothing so an absolute burial. But
for you kids, says they get older coaching in the blood.

(02:42:10):
Oh no. Um. Also, I don't I'm not a nostalgic
about high school football. Plenty of people aren't. I don't understand.
College NFL were much better experiences for me. People are
very high school football is It's just not me. Yeah,
we're gonna have to tap into that another time as
we rise to the end of this. But uh no,
it's been a pleasure. Like you and I have done

(02:42:32):
a couple of hits and and I've been able to
hear about the progress of your pool. I'm glad it's
now fully functional and operational and helping you get through
the summer. Thank you. We had a good time we
got in last night. It was Oh, it's a lot
of fun. It's beautiful stuff. Football is back. It's been
a great four hours. Thanks for accepting the call from
Scott to uh to hang out with the unknown like me.

(02:42:54):
Hopefully we can do it again. We'll get ready to
listen to Steve Hartman wax poetic about out those thirty
three thousand at U c l A. That's next on
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