November 11, 2025 • 16 mins
George Noory and Researcher Chris Aubec discuss the possibility of Jesus and Angels being extra-terrestrials.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome back to Coast to Coast. George Nori with you,
Chrisavik with us, Chris. Outside of Ezekiel's Wheel in the Bible,
any other reference to what you would believe to be
ets or aliens?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Well, yeah, you know, a lot of religious movements in
the eighteenth century, in the nineteenth century were based on
aliens and this idea that we're living in a universe
just teeming with life. I mean, one of the first
religious movements it still exists was Immanuel Swedenborgs, which started
(00:41):
in the seventeen fifties, and he claimed to have traveled
in visions to other planets and spoken to their inhabitants,
and some of those aliens, according to him, travel around
in space in luminous spheres looking for information. They're very,
very similar to the graves actually. And then when you
look at American religious movements in the nineteenth century, you
(01:06):
find that the Mormons originally had aliens as an integral
part of their theology. Joseph Smith, who founded, of course,
the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints in
eighteen thirty taught that other worlds were inhabited by sentient beings,
and the Mormons also believed, of course, and they still do,
(01:29):
that God inhabits a star or a planet called colob
and that's the physical location of God's throne. It's like
the center of the universe. So you have all these
interesting ideas. Even though Jehovah's witnessed witnesses believed, or they
still do to a certain extent, but I think that
they've abandoned this idea recently, that God's throne was in
(01:53):
the Plades star cluster. And if you look at the
first Seventh day Adventists, they also spoke about extraterrestrials. Ellen Harmon,
who became their spiritual leader, had over two thousand visions
during her lifetime, including encounters with extraterrestrials. In eighteen forty six,
(02:15):
she went into a public trance and described Jupiter and
Saturn's inhabitants, saying that they were tall, majestic people. I mean,
the whole theme of of alien visitation was such a
big part of religion in the nineteenth century, and we've
basically forgotten that ever existed. But for example, there's this
(02:36):
article in a Mormon newspaper from eighteen forty one that
describes a dream where a visitor descends from the sky
in a craft, lands in the middle of a crowd
of people, and then when he's questioned, he says he's
from a distant planet, and then the whole area is
illuminated by a light brighter than noon, as they said,
(02:58):
or brighter than ten full moons and so on. So, yeah,
this idea of religion they've been teaching about and claiming
contact with extraterrestrials for Will over two hundred and fifty years.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Back in the seventies, there was a lot of hoopla
bah Jesus being an extraterrestrial. Do you remember that.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, there were a lot of paperback books which we
talked about the Star of Bethlehem and the possibility that
Jesus was a space traveler of some kind. And yet again,
when I've studied this, I've realized that it goes back
at least to the seventeen nineties. I mean, this is
(03:41):
like two hundred and forty years old, one hundred and
thirty years old. And the reason is actually that Christian
thinkers thought, well, if the universe is full of inhabited planets.
What's God's relationship with all those extraterrestrials. Did Christ have
to dial on every world to spread his message? Are
(04:02):
there millions of alien planets filled with sinners? Or did
only Earth get cursed with original sin? So you have
all of these theologians and thinkers and scholars that proposed
that God created one planet after another and then either
sent Jesus Christ to each planet where he would be
(04:26):
sacrificed again and again and again. Or for example, Henry Moore,
who was an English theologian, said in sixteen forty six
that God probably sent a message to all of the
other planets to convince everybody about the importance of Jesus
Christ without having to kill his son in every case,
(04:49):
then there was I mean, you can even find this
in literature. So in seventeen ninety six there was a
German writer called Johann Paul Friedrich Richter who wrote a
novel where the spirits of the dead ask Jesus if
God exists, and Christ answers that he's traveled throughout the
Milky Way to all the planets and has never even
(05:12):
found a sign of God at all, and so on
and so on. There's actually a poem from nineteen seventeen.
A Catholic poet called Alice Maynel wrote this poem called
Christ in the Universe where she says that someday in
the future, we'll be able to read a million alien Gospels.
(05:34):
That was actually her words in the poem in nineteen seventeen,
a million alien Gospels because Christ visits all the constellations.
So yeah, when writers about fifty years ago started suggesting
Christ was an extraterrestrial, they were actually reviving a two
hundred year old theological debate. The only difference is they
(05:57):
dropped the religious framework and kept their space travel part.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Chris, what about the possibilities that the angels were e tees.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yeah, I love this idea. This again is a very
old idea.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Years ago I used to correspond with an English author
called w. Raymond Drake who was one of the first
ancient Aliens writers. He published a book in the late
fifties early sixties called Gods or Spacemen And well, when
(06:37):
I was about sixteen years old, I used to call
him on the phone and we used to talk, and
one day he confessed to me, he said, look, although
in all of these books that I write, I say
that they were aliens from other planets. That's not really
what I think. I think that they were angels from God.
I think that he said that they're like on a
(06:59):
mission to teach us something very important, and we just
have to understand the UFO enigma to to to understand
what that message is. And then years later, when I
wrote a book called Sources, all about Kennethnold's citing, I
spoke to his granddaughter and his daughter and they told
(07:21):
me a little bit about Kennethanold's personal beliefs, and one
of them was that maybe UFOs or flying sources were
kind of intermediary between God or Heaven and the Earth,
and that somehow they were trying to communicate ideas to
(07:42):
us from some heavenly realm. So these are quite interesting
ideas that have appeared many times in eupology.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
What does your gut tell you?
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Well, my gut tells me to listen to all of
these theories, all these stories, write them down and compare them,
because I really want to know what there might be
behind all of this. You know, there's also this other
theory that UFOs and aliens are actually demons and devils.
That's that's quite a popular theory even today. You can
(08:18):
find DVDs about this on Amazon, or you can find
YouTube channels dedicated to this kind of thing. And what
I'm interested in here actually is one of the first
people who said he'd seen a flying saucer or a
UFO in the twentieth century, a man called William Lamb
(08:42):
said he'd seen a UFO in Hubble in Nebraska, and
it was piloted by a devil or a demon, and
there was a kind of flaming sword, and there was
lots of fire and brimstone. But yeah, he thought that
they were mainly demonic and not angelic. So we have
(09:03):
there this contrast between angels and demons, and people are
still wondering whether there's any religious or spiritual content and
UFO sightings today.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
How far back to UFOs outside of the Bible? Outside
of the Bible, how far back do you think they go?
The reports?
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Well, it's quite a difficult question because it depends on
what we're willing to accept aine as a genuine sighting.
The problem with ancient civilizations like Mesopotamia, Egypt, and Greece
is that most of their sky records are omen lists.
They're not actual dated sightings with witnesses. So the Sumerians
(09:49):
and Babylonians did leave writing about celestial phenomena, but they're
treated as templates for interpretation and not historical accounts. They'd
write things like, well, when you see a fireball that stops,
that stops mid flight in the sky, But we don't
really know if anyone actually saw this or when. Then
(10:10):
maybe the earliest case that could qualify is from around
one four hundred and sixty BC. It's a stelle of
It is called Gebel Barkal, and it's in Egypt, and
it describes something that happened during the reign of Tutmoses
the third and according to the inscription, a star came
from the south and shot at enemy troops, and it
(10:33):
happened at the second hour of the night and apparently
completely defeated the enemy who couldn't get up again. And
then people have wondered whether this was ball lightning or
UFO or just royal propaganda, and to be honest, it's
only one's guess. Then, the Romans kept pretty good records
(10:53):
of their of their sightings, which they call prodigies or omens.
Basically from around two hundred twenty three BC onwards, we
have the first dated accounts of strange lights and phantom
ships in the sky, shield like objects. Many of these
could be explained as meteors or atmospheric phenomena, So it
(11:15):
does depend on what you personally want to see. So
the honest answer is people have been seeing strange things
in the sky throughout recorded history. But the further back
you go, the harder it is to separate genuine observation
from religious interpretation or propaganda that was filtered through pre
(11:37):
scientific understanding.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Chris, how would you categorize the stories of leprechauns, fairies,
little folklore like that?
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Well, I find it fascinating because fairies are not only
small creatures who, you know, sort of sort of dwarf
sized creatures who abducted people. But you can also find
witness statements from the start of the twentieth century that
(12:08):
relate them to that associate them with them having come
from other planets. So there's this moment in time when,
of course, pairies originally were considered to have come from
a kind of fairyland or which is a mysterious realm
that we can't really see, or underground caverns. But there's
(12:29):
a moment at the beginning of the twentieth century, around
nineteen o three nineteen oh four, when you can find
people talking about them as if they had come from
another planet. And then the way that they abducted people,
they kidnap people for their own purposes. It's very similar
to modern abduction counts accounts because there are actually stories
(12:53):
about fairies who seem to keep people for breeding purposes,
which is it's very interesting because their own their own children,
the fairy children were withering away. They were like genetically deficient.
So there's this deep parallel between fairies and goblins and
(13:14):
that folklore and modern UFOs. There's actually a book by
a woman called Barbara Rietti about the Newfoundland and the
fairy faith of Newfoundland. It's fascinating. I think it's called
Strange Terrain. And as she's interviewing people, I think in
the nineteen nineties, nineteen eighties and nineties, they start to
(13:37):
realize that they put two and two together and they say, oh,
my god, maybe the fairies that my grandparents saw were
actually aliens, and that you can see this interesting crossover
of ideas just at that moment while she's interviewing them.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Fascinthing now, weren't There are some medieval paintings depictions of eties.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Yeah, there is. I mean there are a lot of
web pages that talk about religious art, and you can
find dozens of paintings circulating on the Internet that supposedly
show UFOs. They look like glowing objects in the sky,
sometimes even flying sources. The thing is, and what people
have to realize is that if you actually isolate any
(14:23):
of these objects in the paintings and trace their iconographic history,
they really always have an explanation. I mean, some medieval
artists were more skilled than others and could paint more
accurately what they wanted to depict, But normally you find
they're just religious symbols, angelic beings, clouds, or divine light.
(14:47):
And it's only our interpretation of what appeared in those
paintings that gives the impression that they were UFOs. There's
an excellent website by an Italian researcher called Diego corp
He I don't know how to pronounce his surname Cuoghi.
He's an art expert and he examines dozens or hundreds
(15:09):
of these paintings and he explains where where these symbols
came from. So I wouldn't say that I've seen any
religious paintings or medieval paintings that really convince me that
we're looking at UFOs. And then of course a lot
of people wonder whether prehistoric etchings and carvings like what
(15:31):
you'd find on a rocky hillside might depict flying sources.
But you know what I mean, generally speaking, when you
see these in books, they just point out like circular
objects round things, and well, you know, I mean, the
two most common objects we see in the sky are
also around the sun and the moon, so it's unlikely
(15:55):
that what people find etched into Sterna are truly mysterious
objects seen in the sky. Then you have figurines made
of clay. There are these statuettes from Japan called the Dogu,
and they look like they're wearing astronaut garb with goggles
(16:18):
and so on, with all the headgear and even sort
of knobs and buttons on their chests. But again you've
got to remember that, you know, in shamanic traditions there
were ceremonial costumes and in fact, glasses goggles really did exist.
The Eskimos had them, so it's so difficult to interpret
(16:40):
ancient art.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
one a m. Eastern, and go to Coast to coastam
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Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome back to Coast to Coast. George Nori with you,
Chrisavik with us, Chris. Outside of Ezekiel's Wheel in the Bible,
any other reference to what you would believe to be
ets or aliens?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Well, yeah, you know, a lot of religious movements in
the eighteenth century, in the nineteenth century were based on
aliens and this idea that we're living in a universe
just teeming with life. I mean, one of the first
religious movements it still exists was Immanuel Swedenborgs, which started
(00:41):
in the seventeen fifties, and he claimed to have traveled
in visions to other planets and spoken to their inhabitants,
and some of those aliens, according to him, travel around
in space in luminous spheres looking for information. They're very,
very similar to the graves actually. And then when you
look at American religious movements in the nineteenth century, you
(01:06):
find that the Mormons originally had aliens as an integral
part of their theology. Joseph Smith, who founded, of course,
the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints in
eighteen thirty taught that other worlds were inhabited by sentient beings,
and the Mormons also believed, of course, and they still do,
(01:29):
that God inhabits a star or a planet called colob
and that's the physical location of God's throne. It's like
the center of the universe. So you have all these
interesting ideas. Even though Jehovah's witnessed witnesses believed, or they
still do to a certain extent, but I think that
they've abandoned this idea recently, that God's throne was in
(01:53):
the Plades star cluster. And if you look at the
first Seventh day Adventists, they also spoke about extraterrestrials. Ellen Harmon,
who became their spiritual leader, had over two thousand visions
during her lifetime, including encounters with extraterrestrials. In eighteen forty six,
(02:15):
she went into a public trance and described Jupiter and
Saturn's inhabitants, saying that they were tall, majestic people. I mean,
the whole theme of of alien visitation was such a
big part of religion in the nineteenth century, and we've
basically forgotten that ever existed. But for example, there's this
(02:36):
article in a Mormon newspaper from eighteen forty one that
describes a dream where a visitor descends from the sky
in a craft, lands in the middle of a crowd
of people, and then when he's questioned, he says he's
from a distant planet, and then the whole area is
illuminated by a light brighter than noon, as they said,
(02:58):
or brighter than ten full moons and so on. So, yeah,
this idea of religion they've been teaching about and claiming
contact with extraterrestrials for Will over two hundred and fifty years.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Back in the seventies, there was a lot of hoopla
bah Jesus being an extraterrestrial. Do you remember that.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, there were a lot of paperback books which we
talked about the Star of Bethlehem and the possibility that
Jesus was a space traveler of some kind. And yet again,
when I've studied this, I've realized that it goes back
at least to the seventeen nineties. I mean, this is
(03:41):
like two hundred and forty years old, one hundred and
thirty years old. And the reason is actually that Christian
thinkers thought, well, if the universe is full of inhabited planets.
What's God's relationship with all those extraterrestrials. Did Christ have
to dial on every world to spread his message? Are
(04:02):
there millions of alien planets filled with sinners? Or did
only Earth get cursed with original sin? So you have
all of these theologians and thinkers and scholars that proposed
that God created one planet after another and then either
sent Jesus Christ to each planet where he would be
(04:26):
sacrificed again and again and again. Or for example, Henry Moore,
who was an English theologian, said in sixteen forty six
that God probably sent a message to all of the
other planets to convince everybody about the importance of Jesus
Christ without having to kill his son in every case,
(04:49):
then there was I mean, you can even find this
in literature. So in seventeen ninety six there was a
German writer called Johann Paul Friedrich Richter who wrote a
novel where the spirits of the dead ask Jesus if
God exists, and Christ answers that he's traveled throughout the
Milky Way to all the planets and has never even
(05:12):
found a sign of God at all, and so on
and so on. There's actually a poem from nineteen seventeen.
A Catholic poet called Alice Maynel wrote this poem called
Christ in the Universe where she says that someday in
the future, we'll be able to read a million alien Gospels.
(05:34):
That was actually her words in the poem in nineteen seventeen,
a million alien Gospels because Christ visits all the constellations.
So yeah, when writers about fifty years ago started suggesting
Christ was an extraterrestrial, they were actually reviving a two
hundred year old theological debate. The only difference is they
(05:57):
dropped the religious framework and kept their space travel part.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Chris, what about the possibilities that the angels were e tees.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yeah, I love this idea. This again is a very
old idea.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Years ago I used to correspond with an English author
called w. Raymond Drake who was one of the first
ancient Aliens writers. He published a book in the late
fifties early sixties called Gods or Spacemen And well, when
(06:37):
I was about sixteen years old, I used to call
him on the phone and we used to talk, and
one day he confessed to me, he said, look, although
in all of these books that I write, I say
that they were aliens from other planets. That's not really
what I think. I think that they were angels from God.
I think that he said that they're like on a
(06:59):
mission to teach us something very important, and we just
have to understand the UFO enigma to to to understand
what that message is. And then years later, when I
wrote a book called Sources, all about Kennethnold's citing, I
spoke to his granddaughter and his daughter and they told
(07:21):
me a little bit about Kennethanold's personal beliefs, and one
of them was that maybe UFOs or flying sources were
kind of intermediary between God or Heaven and the Earth,
and that somehow they were trying to communicate ideas to
(07:42):
us from some heavenly realm. So these are quite interesting
ideas that have appeared many times in eupology.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
What does your gut tell you?
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Well, my gut tells me to listen to all of
these theories, all these stories, write them down and compare them,
because I really want to know what there might be
behind all of this. You know, there's also this other
theory that UFOs and aliens are actually demons and devils.
That's that's quite a popular theory even today. You can
(08:18):
find DVDs about this on Amazon, or you can find
YouTube channels dedicated to this kind of thing. And what
I'm interested in here actually is one of the first
people who said he'd seen a flying saucer or a
UFO in the twentieth century, a man called William Lamb
(08:42):
said he'd seen a UFO in Hubble in Nebraska, and
it was piloted by a devil or a demon, and
there was a kind of flaming sword, and there was
lots of fire and brimstone. But yeah, he thought that
they were mainly demonic and not angelic. So we have
(09:03):
there this contrast between angels and demons, and people are
still wondering whether there's any religious or spiritual content and
UFO sightings today.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
How far back to UFOs outside of the Bible? Outside
of the Bible, how far back do you think they go?
The reports?
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Well, it's quite a difficult question because it depends on
what we're willing to accept aine as a genuine sighting.
The problem with ancient civilizations like Mesopotamia, Egypt, and Greece
is that most of their sky records are omen lists.
They're not actual dated sightings with witnesses. So the Sumerians
(09:49):
and Babylonians did leave writing about celestial phenomena, but they're
treated as templates for interpretation and not historical accounts. They'd
write things like, well, when you see a fireball that stops,
that stops mid flight in the sky, But we don't
really know if anyone actually saw this or when. Then
(10:10):
maybe the earliest case that could qualify is from around
one four hundred and sixty BC. It's a stelle of
It is called Gebel Barkal, and it's in Egypt, and
it describes something that happened during the reign of Tutmoses
the third and according to the inscription, a star came
from the south and shot at enemy troops, and it
(10:33):
happened at the second hour of the night and apparently
completely defeated the enemy who couldn't get up again. And
then people have wondered whether this was ball lightning or
UFO or just royal propaganda, and to be honest, it's
only one's guess. Then, the Romans kept pretty good records
(10:53):
of their of their sightings, which they call prodigies or omens.
Basically from around two hundred twenty three BC onwards, we
have the first dated accounts of strange lights and phantom
ships in the sky, shield like objects. Many of these
could be explained as meteors or atmospheric phenomena, So it
(11:15):
does depend on what you personally want to see. So
the honest answer is people have been seeing strange things
in the sky throughout recorded history. But the further back
you go, the harder it is to separate genuine observation
from religious interpretation or propaganda that was filtered through pre
(11:37):
scientific understanding.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Chris, how would you categorize the stories of leprechauns, fairies,
little folklore like that?
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Well, I find it fascinating because fairies are not only
small creatures who, you know, sort of sort of dwarf
sized creatures who abducted people. But you can also find
witness statements from the start of the twentieth century that
(12:08):
relate them to that associate them with them having come
from other planets. So there's this moment in time when,
of course, pairies originally were considered to have come from
a kind of fairyland or which is a mysterious realm
that we can't really see, or underground caverns. But there's
(12:29):
a moment at the beginning of the twentieth century, around
nineteen o three nineteen oh four, when you can find
people talking about them as if they had come from
another planet. And then the way that they abducted people,
they kidnap people for their own purposes. It's very similar
to modern abduction counts accounts because there are actually stories
(12:53):
about fairies who seem to keep people for breeding purposes,
which is it's very interesting because their own their own children,
the fairy children were withering away. They were like genetically deficient.
So there's this deep parallel between fairies and goblins and
(13:14):
that folklore and modern UFOs. There's actually a book by
a woman called Barbara Rietti about the Newfoundland and the
fairy faith of Newfoundland. It's fascinating. I think it's called
Strange Terrain. And as she's interviewing people, I think in
the nineteen nineties, nineteen eighties and nineties, they start to
(13:37):
realize that they put two and two together and they say, oh,
my god, maybe the fairies that my grandparents saw were
actually aliens, and that you can see this interesting crossover
of ideas just at that moment while she's interviewing them.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Fascinthing now, weren't There are some medieval paintings depictions of eties.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Yeah, there is. I mean there are a lot of
web pages that talk about religious art, and you can
find dozens of paintings circulating on the Internet that supposedly
show UFOs. They look like glowing objects in the sky,
sometimes even flying sources. The thing is, and what people
have to realize is that if you actually isolate any
(14:23):
of these objects in the paintings and trace their iconographic history,
they really always have an explanation. I mean, some medieval
artists were more skilled than others and could paint more
accurately what they wanted to depict, But normally you find
they're just religious symbols, angelic beings, clouds, or divine light.
(14:47):
And it's only our interpretation of what appeared in those
paintings that gives the impression that they were UFOs. There's
an excellent website by an Italian researcher called Diego corp
He I don't know how to pronounce his surname Cuoghi.
He's an art expert and he examines dozens or hundreds
(15:09):
of these paintings and he explains where where these symbols
came from. So I wouldn't say that I've seen any
religious paintings or medieval paintings that really convince me that
we're looking at UFOs. And then of course a lot
of people wonder whether prehistoric etchings and carvings like what
(15:31):
you'd find on a rocky hillside might depict flying sources.
But you know what I mean, generally speaking, when you
see these in books, they just point out like circular
objects round things, and well, you know, I mean, the
two most common objects we see in the sky are
also around the sun and the moon, so it's unlikely
(15:55):
that what people find etched into Sterna are truly mysterious
objects seen in the sky. Then you have figurines made
of clay. There are these statuettes from Japan called the Dogu,
and they look like they're wearing astronaut garb with goggles
(16:18):
and so on, with all the headgear and even sort
of knobs and buttons on their chests. But again you've
got to remember that, you know, in shamanic traditions there
were ceremonial costumes and in fact, glasses goggles really did exist.
The Eskimos had them, so it's so difficult to interpret
(16:40):
ancient art.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
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