June 30, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 1 of the A&G Replay on June 30,2025 contains:
- AI God, Ai Boyfriends, Cost of Kids
- Japan Birth Rates
- Talk Back Feature Debuts, Men's Relationships
- Cherry Coke, Love for Ham Sandwiches, In and Out Shakes
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Speaker 1 (00:37):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Caddy arms Strong and.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
He Armstrong and Strong.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Welcome to a replay of the Armstrong and Getty Show.
We are on vacation, but boy, do we have some
good stuff for you.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yes, indeed we do.
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Speaker 2 (01:11):
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to subscribe wherever you like to get podcasts. Now on
with the infotainment. Dozens of Ukrainian prisoners.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Of war were freed in an exchange with Russia. They
were greeted to a hero's welcome at a hospital north
of Kiev, but they looked like the living dead, gaunt
heads shaven, their bodies broken and some said beaten. Alexandro
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Kolkoff told me he was a prisoner for over three
years and that the Russians broke his ribs. If nothing
was already broken, they would break it, he said.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Jeez, Putin and his military, they're animals. You want to
let them win. Don't get it anyway, Pete Hagzeth, who
we were just applauding for something. He was asked under
oath yesterday by Senate lawmakers. He's doing three appearances before
Congress this weekend, being grilled about a whole bunch of
(02:13):
different things. Senator McConnell, former Majority Leader, asked the question
of Hegxeth who is the aggressor in Ukraine? And Hagzeth said,
Russia is the aggressor now. Steve Hayes of The Dispatch said,
should we be encouraged that Hegzeth gave the obvious and
(02:36):
accurate answer to that question or discourage that McConnell felt
the need to ask it. But yeah, it's good. It's
good good news as far as I'm concerned. Man oh Man,
that's that's something. Those stories about the hostages are prisoners
coming back.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
He had the utter disregard for human life, whether theirs
or other people's. That is part of Russian military history
is a I was just reading and listening about World
War two, some of the major victories that Russia had
and the incredible sacrifices they made, and the point was
made that some of those horrific numbers are because of
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their techniques. They're just utterly heedless of wasting men.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
That it doesn't matter. Tomo never had.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yeah, and US casualties were much much lower in similar encounters,
just because we go about warfare in a very different
way we did back in the forties. Anyway, culture and
continues to today.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Obviously back closer to home. I thought this was a
pretty good point from Jim Garrity the National Review. Do
California elected officials realize how ridiculous they sound when they
spend several days insisting that local law enforcement had it handled,
the streets were quiet, and local law enforcement resources are
sufficient to maintain order, and then a day or two later,
last night, the mayor is forced to declare a curfew. Okay,
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you had it and under control, you still got You
had to have a curview last night with the National
Guard troops. What would have been like without them?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
You know?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
The metaphor I keep using and I'm sticking with it
is demark the leaders in California are like a sports
team that has not yet played a real game. They
just scrimmage. They have an inter squad scrimmage over and
over and over again, and they never come up against
an opponent that's really really trying to win, and they
think they have game. Gavin Newsom thinks he has national
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level game.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Two suspects of It's just been charged with throwing molotov
cocktails at police during the LA riots. This happened moments ago.
That doesn't sound very peaceful to me. Firebombs. Just a
bunch of people having fun watching carsburn. Just a bunch
of people enjoying watching cars burn.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Oh wait a minute, give me seventy, Michael seventy again,
the great Maxine Waters.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Don't think that somehow, because they called the National Guard
there was violence. There was no violence. I was on
the street. I know.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, those chunks of concrete being hurled over and over
again at the cops.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I guess that video is AI or something. Okay, we
live in a post truth universe. Oh and inflation lower
than expected, So I don't understand what's going on. Why
after a liberation day in the tariffs and the turmoil
and this and that, and of course the endless mainstream
coverage of how Trump's Hitler with a bad economic policy,
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his poll numbers are up. In inflation's basically flat.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Okay, bing bing bang bang bing bing bing bing bing
bong bong. Granted, but it's a complicated stew of the economy.
It could be argued that increased fears of economic woes
to come have caused a suppression of consumer spending. I
would have to dig.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Into that economic stew.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Oh hey, speaking of AI, which I mentioned a second ago.
Tens of thousands of people now believe AI or chat
GPT is God.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
What seems to.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Be a religion is forming up around AI. Quasi religious
posts would fill up entire AI forums if moderators didn't
censor them. Just five days ago, the moderator of a
pro AI reddit announced that they are now banning these fanatics.
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Two days earlier, another dditor warned of thousands of people
online with spiritual delusions about AI.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I need to look into this. That I hadn't heard
a word about nor anticipated a lot of this stuff.
I had anticipated a lot of us did I hadn't
anticipated that. That's kooky. Now I did get ye, I
did get sent this the other day. It was an ad.
I don't know where the ad show up. I won't
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replace him, but I'll be here when you can't sleep.
Here are ten AI boyfriends who help you, heal, distract you,
and remind you of your worth and it's got a
picture of a young handsome man. Where in the hell
are we headed a planet of the beavers? Nobody's getting
together anymore. I won't replace him, but I'll be here
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when you can't sleep. Here are ten AI boyfriends who
help you, heal, distract you, and remind you of your worth.
That is so freaking crazy. That is so freaking crazy.
How did it happen so fast? I mean we thought
maybe someday, if AI gets good enough and robots look
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exactly like humans, possibly the most deranged among us could develop. No, no,
just the middle of that sentence that happened, just just
words on a screen with no voice, yeah, and no
image whatsoever. And no robot is making people stay at
home and feel like they're in a relationship. That is
so crazy.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
You yourself have mentioned that uh chat GPT or whatever
is a better counselor than most counselors.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Freaking right if you have that in using that that
biggest stretch that it's a better friend too. Yeah, but
a but an emotional like love.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Relationship, really, see, a friend relationship is sick because it's
like you No, no, I haven't.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I haven't felt that at all any like friendship or
anything like that. The ability to distill a tremendous amount
of information down to the best very quickly and put
it in like conversational terms. Yes, but that is so nuts.
I mean, I don't know where we're going, man, down
this road lies Matt, You're right, Jonathan Turley, Maybe this
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stat that I came across doesn't matter since everybody's going
to be in love with a chatbot. You can't have
a kid with a chatbot. The average cost of raising
a child in the US is now twenty six thousand
dollars per year. Okay, I think most parents listening right
now are saying, how in the heck are you raising
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a kid for twenty six thousand dollars a year?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Really?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I mean, I don't know what they factor into raising
a kid or whatnot, but seems low to me. Everything
everything in, food, clothes, schooling, everything. Every time I hear
those numbers, whether they are low or high, I think,
how did you come up with that? That's true? Yeah,
because what are you? And who asked? Band? Rental, travel, sports, vacation.
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But then again, to my point, who asked you? Since
I've never heard a parent good point say, you know
my kid's costing more than I thought. I'm a good
point consider change in this relationship. No parent has like
on their spreadsheet or whatever. If you're the sort of
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person that does this, I don't probably should where you
put all your expenses. I don't know if anybody who
like has things that they put in the what it
cost me to have a kid column to keep track?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Well, right, yeah, yeah, I've never having raised three kids,
I had a minor child under my roof for twenty
five straight years. At no point did Judy and I
ever say, all right, we need to total up all
these expenses so we can what and then we'll grant
credits for lawns mode and bathrooms cleaned or whatever chores
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were done, and then we'll I mean, it's just it
wasn't anything we ever thought about.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Yea, I'll knock off five thousand dollars for the most
satisfying thing I've ever done in life. I'll give you that,
But the rest of it is just a cost.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
It's a negative, right, and the whole I'm just it's funny.
Maybe I lacked imagination as a youngster, but Judy and
I knew we wanted to have kids. Point and so
we went ahead. There was no like, long, careful, can we.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Afford to or what?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
No, you just do it and figure it out and
it goes fine.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Were we poor? Yes? Was it fine? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Well, the expenses just kind of fit in with the
rest of your household expenses. I mean, I suppose you
could make the argument that your house is bigger, so
part of the house payment goes is because of them,
and you have to maybe have a bigger car and
make more trips. You figure out all the gas for
driving to pick them up at school and drop them.
I mean, you're a nut if you do that.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Well right, yeah, and again, why are we talking about it?
I don't know, so you can't exactly what's the thing exactly? Yeah, well,
I need to put a price on each child.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
The boy's extra handsome, so I'll getting a discount. But yeah,
it's an odd bit of analysis. You play sports, not
dollars and cents. You play sports, so I had to
buy you more clothes for that. You don't play sports,
but you're in band, so you have a different cost.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
What the hell?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know, seems odd. Life is not
dollars and cents, folks, she can't take it with you. Ah, right,
moving along. I don't want to talk unrest anymore. I'll
tell you this. Here's a great protest for you. This
is really going to get a lot of people on
their side. Hundreds of flowers were vandalized at a botanical
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Michigan garden, and the activists who did it left pro
Palestinian signs behind that said plant lives don't matter. Human
lives do.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Oh my god, glue those people to something, Let us
pelt them with rocks or fruit.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I'm in favor of all of those things. The garden
director made his heart broken tell of.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
The few things that falls under our strict reading of
cruel and unusual. Glue to them to something and throw
rocks at them is probably cruel and unusual, Barber, It's
a little cruel and certainly unusual. You've been sentenced to
be glued to something in public. Yeahan lives. You deserve
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to be cared for more than these flowers. Don't waste
your tears on the flowers. They're not even dead, and
we'll grow again next spring. Ah. Is it even worth
going this far into this conversation? Do they possibly think
they did their cause any help. I almost feel like
if I wanted to discredit the pro Palestinian crowd, I
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would do something like that. Is this like a you know,
a noose flag operation, a noose in a fraternity to
show racism, and it turns out it's the somebody put
it up on purpose.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
To stop the war, resist imperialism, the flowers and crazy people.
I would like to give you a good thrash, glue
you or something.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Jack Armstrong and Joe, the Armstrong and Getty Show, The
Armstrong and So Japan released their birth statistics yesterday. They
had about six hundred and eighty thousand babies in twenty
twenty four. That was down five point seven percent from
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the previous year, which had set a record.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Previous ye year.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So this is the spiral that people talk about that
if you've ever read about it or looked at it mathematically,
there's something happens when you're when you're you know, it's
like compound interest. Really, it's a similar concept when you
stop having babies and then those people don't grow up,
so they don't have two kids, and I mean it
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just exponentially shrinks and then at some point you hit
a tipping point and it just goes really really fast,
and they must be there. In Japan, a drop of
five point seven percent in one year from the previous
record low in terms of babies what will be next year.
It's the lowest number of babies born since they started
keeping data. Again, they do this fairly regularly, and the
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now current number of live births per mom is what
I just came across it. It's incredibly low. It's well
below sustainable rate and will drop very very fast there
and now at I think it was one point one
point one five, it's about half. Really, it's tired than
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I thought it was, honestly, but has a birth rate
to sustain your population and you don't allow immigration.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Right, what the hell? I realize. I'm easily amazed, But
I want to go back to that figure. If your
birth rate dropped by five point seven percent in a decade,
that would be a huge story.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
It dropped in a year, yeah, I know, it's absolutely incredible.
There's all kinds of fallout from this, like, for instance,
the number of vacant homes that they have in Japan.
There's just lots of houses that are vacant, but there's
nobody to buy because there's just are enough people and
they're trying to figure out what to do with that.
The number of ikea uninhabited properties that's the term, has
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topped nine million nationwide, with nine hundred thousand of them
in Tokyo alone, just uninhabited places, and there's nobody that's
gonna buy them because there's no hope of anybody buying them.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Well, there's nobody to buy them because there's no body. Yeah, exactly,
I'm going ahead to Tokyo to do some prime squatting.
I'm gonna go down to Shinjuku, squatt in some apartment,
eat some sushi.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Anyway, like I said.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Fuji, I've never been to Japan obviously, Like I said earlier,
we get to watch the Japan's gonna be the you
know what's gonna happen to the rest of us in
Western society is our birth rates decline to and see
what happens.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Of course, we allow lots of sometimes not on purpose immigration,
which is different than a lot of your Asian countries
that have zero right.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
They're very very racist, uh they actually are.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Anyway, So Japan will be a land mass with historical
sites and no humans.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Well, the whole country will be like the proverbial Japanese
soldier hiding out in the jungle after World War Two.
I mean, there are occasionally you'll come across the human
being and be like, well, hey, what the hell, it's
a whole country. Tokyo will be, you know, a post
apocalyptic moonscape or something arm Strong see Armstrong and Ghetti show.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
So I got this new talkbacked feature that we're gonna try,
and we're we're in the we're in the what do
they call it, the beta phase of figuring out how
we're gonna utilize this on the show or whatever. And
I threw out the first question, try this out to somebody.
This is somebody called in and then we record them
or whatever, because we stopped taking calls years ago for
a variety of reasons that listeners would know. So I
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throw out the question of what do you like about
the Armstrong and Giddy show. Hey, you could be the
first call it Hitler, Muslim extremist.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
That's good stuff, So hey, you can be the first.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
So solid, Okay, we don't need to hear twice. So
so we're off to a good start. And uh, I again,
do we need to reiterate why we stopped taking calls.
But apparently this is some more on the question of
what do you like about the Armstrong and Giddy show?
You are my favorite people. You make me laugh in
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the morning when I'm taking the train to work.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
I love it. Thank you for being you.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I do have to agree. Joe's looks are rough, but
then again he has as beautiful hair. Why do you lie?
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Is it your greed?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
The best part of Armstrong and Giddy is Katie, and
when she was gone for a week, that was like
a void.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
I couldn't believe.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
You make me laugh, you make me cry, you make
me mad, But in the end, you make the first
three or four hours of my day at least a
good informative. You make these guys.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Have a good one.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
What do I like about the Armstrong and Gutty show.
I like the fact that you don't take calls.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
We'll see how.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
This little experiment goes, but I'm not optimistic. Don't let
your meat.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Loaf, don't let your hot dogs dand don't let your wristwatch. Okay,
that made me incredibly uncomfortable? Me too, Why why did
that make me thinky?
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Did you ask that question? All right, we have tomorrow
you you come up with the question, Yeah, we'll try
it again.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Better than that.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
So I just I wanted something I knew people to
respond to to get the first one. So this was
in the New York Times the other day. It was
an opinion piece, but a lot of fact built into it.
The question was American men are getting worse at maintaining friendships.
I think have I actually heard this before? Just heard
people in real life mention it to me? Anyway, American
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men are getting worse at maintaining friendships. Is it a
lack of time or energy or is it something else?
And then getting into some of the details that this
person writes, what I didn't know is that American men
are getting significantly worse at friendship. A study in twenty
twenty four by the Survey Center on American Life found
that only a quarter of men reported having six or
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more close friends. That seems like a lot to me.
Pulling a similar question in nineteen ninety, Gallup had put
this figure at over half of men had six or
more close friends. The same Survey Center found that seventeen
percent of men had zero close friends. That was a
fivefold increase from nineteen ninety, the zero crowd went from well,
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it increased five times. Yeah, probably roughly three to seventeen.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
It's awful. I agree, six seems like a lot, but yeah,
zero is too few.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
The lack of intimacy among male friends may seem normal
because it's what we're accustomed to, but it isn't. Until
the twentieth century, it was not uncommon for men in
this country to openly hold hands, sit on each other's
lapse in public party any.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Wait, whoa whoa, Wait a minute, Yeah, that happened all
the time. Wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I don't know if I believe this. Until the twentieth century,
it was not uncommon for men in this country to
openly hold hands, sit on each other laps in public parts,
and write each other passionate, platonic love letters. You know
my desire to befriend you is everlasting, Abraham Lincoln. I
have wrote to his friend Joshua Speed and blah blah blah.
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Herman Melville, who wrote Moby Dick, once wrote to yes, Katie,
you already have a comment. I can tell.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
I'm just gonna say, if this is true, you guys
should bring that back each other's thing. I've ever heard
in my life.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Kill me?
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Oh my god, so is it? Herman? Melville once wrote
to Daniel Hawthorne, what's he famous for? Red badge of courage?
Not Stephen Crane? What Hawthorne? Anyway? The scarlet letter might
be Crane, two famous authors from the eighteen hundreds. Melville
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wrote to Hawthorne that Hawthorne's heart beat in my ribs
and mine in yours, and described their friendship as an
friendship as an infinite fraternity of feeling. That is not
the sort of thing I would write to a friend
of the yod you see that game last night would
be closer to it. Can I sit on your lap
in the park?
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Hey, when we played golf, that was an infinite what
did you say?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Fraternity of feeling?
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah? Today, dude, it was fun. Thanks for writing.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
I gotta know this, Katie. Who's Nathaniel Hawthorne? What did
he write? Scarlet letter? Scarlettletter? Joe's right congratulates got it? Yes,
today we may see these gestures as homo erotic, but
men at the time, gay and straight talk to one
another in this way. I don't know that we have
to go back to holding hands as we walk down
the street are sitting on each other's laps. But I
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don't know. You don't even see grown women sitting on
each other's laps, So it's not a male thing. What
the hell is that?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Is there a lack of seating back in the day?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Was that what was going on?
Speaker 5 (23:49):
You absolutely do see women sitting on each other's laps,
you do?
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yeah, oh yeah all the time? Are not bars concerts? Okay? Absolutely?
If there's only one share? Did they ever actidently kiss? Yes?
All the time. It's crazy how it happened. Yes, Okay, Well,
so I guess I'm wrong about that, all right, So
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it's kill don't know if that's got much to do
with the friendship thing. Something tells me.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
There's a greater point here beyond the lap sitting and
handholding though, right.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Well, so for the I have a bunch of questions.
Define good friend? Close friend? I feel like I need
a definition on that. Oh, I think we all have
one in our heads, don't we. Beyond a companion, you
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do stuff with.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
You, You talk about your lives and ups and downs
in a sincere way. If you have to call on
them to help you, even if it is inconvenient, expensive,
or difficult. They'll come through for you.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
You know, how often you need to talk to them
to All of that.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Depends, I suppose, you know. It's it's funny this should
come up. I missed the last hour of the show
yesterday an unexcused absence, which will go on my permanent record.
But I had the opportunity to reconnect with a friend
who I had not seen in far too long, and
because of his travel schedule and all, and I had
to like go where he was. That something had to give,
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and so I missed an hour of the show, which
I never would have done for years and years and years.
But I because partly because I'm a little obsessive about
this job, I have not prioritized friendships, and it has
left me a less happy person. So it's funny that
this should come up today.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Do you think that's what people are doing? Men are
doing they're working too much.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Have have friends or other. Entertainment is always there. It's the
same thing that keeps guys from going out and finding
a girlfriend and you know, actually having a delightful physics.
The emulations. They're so entertained, they're on their couch, they
don't bother.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, so that's That's kind of where I was going,
is just thinking it's probably the same phenomenon of not
needing to date or have sex. I mean, if you
can overcome the strongest desire that all beasts have to
have sex, then you can certainly give up, you know,
hanging out with another dude now and talking. Yeah, right,
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for whatever it is that you're doing instead, which I
assume is I don't know, video games, porn, hanging out.
I don't know what it.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Is, but yeah, porn, video games. I think it all
is under the awful, evil umbrella of disconnectedness. I've got
another big fat article that I've got in my queue
to read about. You know that topic again. I mean,
it's just undeniably at the root of so much that's
going on right now in human society, particularly the Western world. Again,
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and we've made this point many times. Forgive us if
you've heard it before, but the idea that catastrophic plunges
in the birth rate are merely interesting is that would
not apply if there were any beast on Earth that
had a catastrophic drop in it's firth off.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Remember when riientists would be obsessed with it. Remember we
were getting so many news stories about bees because bees
might go away? How about human beings going away? That
seems like a big bees jack.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Oh yeah, so I stupid. I ashamed of that I had.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
I had my guard up a little bit and still
do for it just being a there's something wrong with
men story When it's Homo sapiens. Clearly there's something wrong
with human beings. We're not getting together at all. So
turning to turn it into a why why are men
so worried about sitting, you know, being seen holding hands
that they don't have friends anymore? I just I feel
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like they're going for an angle there.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah, that was a particularly New York Times guy. He's
really ought to be able to hold hands and maybe
kiss and stuff like that, because you know, traditional masculinity
is stupid. It had a bit of a feel field.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
And that's why you don't have friends anymore, because you're
too homophobic.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yeah right, somehow that isn't it.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I don't know if I noticed that. It's different than
it was decades ago, like nineteen ninety. I was a
twenty five year old in nineteen ninety, so I don't know.
It's either a crisis or it's not well. But again,
there is a crisis that people in general don't hang
out with other people period, So don't try to make
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it a there's something wrong with men's story.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
No, in my mind, no, no, I think it's the
canary and the coal mine or the owl or something.
I don't know. But because women have so much stronger,
generally speaking, so much stronger and urge to build coalitions
and social groups than men do, and it's different. I
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think you're seeing it first among men, especially because and
it's funny we're talking about this in the context of
the Democratic Party trying to understand why they've lost young
men and how masculinity and traditional roles have been demonized,
especially on the progressive left. Yeah, the things that brought
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men together traditionally for years and years. And it's funny
the New York Times should suddenly be enamored with traditional
male roles and the way males acted. A lot of
that's gone.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah. One note before we take a break is just
I was thinking at the gym, because everybody where is this.
I'm sure this is true for you, Katie, the gym
you go to, but everybody wears earbuds, So everybody's got earbuds.
In and I go to the gym every single day,
and I was just sitting there with my earbuds listening
to a podcast, sitting there in between sets. The other
day thinking I have been going to the same gym
(29:59):
with the same people, oftentimes for what nine months now,
I don't know anybody's name. I've never spoken a word
to any of these people. You go back pre wearing earpieces.
I think I would know everybody in here just because
you couldn't help it. I mean you would. You couldn't
help being in the same room with all those people
in silence, or maybe with a with a jam box
(30:22):
playing in the corner that you wouldn't have started up
hot today. And yeah, I know, I was supposed to
go golfing with some friends, but I got and they've
got conversations starts now, you know, and something happens. Yeah,
and you get to know her and everybody know, but
now nobody. I have never said a word to a
single person at my gym. Maybe are you dog?
Speaker 2 (30:43):
The other day and our neighbor came out with her
dog and I shouted a happy greeting, intending to converse
that she had the earbuds going, and yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Which I do all the time. I'm not faulting her, no, no, no, yeah,
it works both ways. But anytime I tried to say
something like are you done here or whatever, so they
always got to pause their device and what was that?
So that might have something to do with it.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
Activists, including Greta Tumberg, the environmental activist, arrived at a
port in Israel after they were detained by Israel's navy
on board and aid ship found for Gaza. The activists
group called the Freedom Flotilla Coalition, claims that the israelis
quote unlawfully boarded their ship, which was full of baby
formula and medical supplies, and quote confiscated the goods. Israel
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calls the ship and its passengers a quote selfie yacht,
and they said the mission's sole purpose was publicity. Israel
plans to quickly deport the detained activists back to their
home countries.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Israel also claims that the.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
Aid that wasn't quote consumed by the celebrities unquote will
be sent to Gaza through humanitarian channels.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
That's good trolling right there by.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
The idf oh, the selfie yacht. It is obviously such
a stunt because it's such a dent in, you know,
in the whole thing. And this doesn't get reported a lot,
But there have been millions of meals provided they're in Gaza,
millions some of which are stolen by Hamas, but most
(32:13):
of them are millions over the last several weeks.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yeah, they had less than a single truckload of AID.
More than twelve hundred AID trucks have entered Gaza from
Israel within the past two weeks, et cetera. I think
the selfie yacht is a good name for it. I
love that they made these people watch October seventh footage
as condition of their release the Freedom Flotilla. Do you
think Hamas wants freedom?
Speaker 1 (32:39):
You morons?
Speaker 2 (32:41):
This is all wrong.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yes, you're right. Well, so that was back when she
was more of a child. You can't blame her really
for the you know, the lefty world elevated her to
Pope's status when she was a child. You know, that
would get to your that would go to your head.
You would start to think, well, people really care what
I think about stuff?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
She's unhinged, poor kid.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Well it was that whole because she's a child. That
makes it more true. Thing about climate change, there for
a cup of coffee. Soda fans I say pop, so
I'll say pop. Pop fans are freaking out over the
limited return of the beloved, beloved Coca Cola flavor. I
didn't know this was so beloved. Diet cherry coke is
(33:24):
making a comeback. Anybody excited about that?
Speaker 2 (33:28):
No, I consume that way back in the day, but
it sounds disgusting to me.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Now, you don't drink pop. Oh, you're better than us.
I don't drink pop either, correct, Yes, yes, Katie, do
you drink pop rarely?
Speaker 5 (33:40):
But everything everything that cherry flavored tastes like cough syrup
to me.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
That manufactured cherry flavor. I can't do it different red fruit.
But did you know this is My son said this
can't be true. He wanted a strawberry milkshake the other day.
We were at In and Out and he says, they
have the best strawberry milkshakes. And I said, you know,
I've never had a strawberry milkshake, which added to the
list of things Jack is never which I couldn't believe.
(34:06):
And I know I've never had a story. It always
sounded gross to me. But you know, I'm starting to
think it might be delicious. This is this. I think
about this because my son, Henry, the thirteen year old,
had his first Ham sandwich the other day and loved it.
It's not because I haven't like allowed him. I've been
trying to encourage that for years, but he just thought
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Ham sounded awful. For some reason. He finally tried Ham
and he said, Dad, Ham is fantastic. I said, yes, yes, yes, welcome.
So he loves the Ham sandwich. And I'll bet in
the last week I'm not exaggerating. I'd be shocked if
he hasn't had twenty Ham sandwiches in the last week,
two or three a day.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
But you know, I'm a guy. I had my first
BLT when I was forty five, and I remember coming
on the air the next day and saying, the belt
is amazing. I've never had one before.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Have you checked out?
Speaker 1 (34:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
A sun that or falling in love those are kind
of nice too. Puppy is a nice Puppy.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
Working with you is so great, Jack, because every day
it's like.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Really, wow, I know, well, but.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I have such wonders that await me. You know, other
people have to I don't know, travel to BALI to
have some new experience. All I got to do is apple, bacon,
lettuce and tomato sandwich.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Or try one of the three most popular flavors of
milkshake hunters.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Right now, I've never had a strawberry milkshake. I should
try that. They're really good, That's what everybody says.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
They always sound it gross to me. And whenever you're
offered one, there's also a chocolate or vanilla.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
But why the strawberry is a delightful berry universally enjoyed.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
But there's always a chocolate or vanilla option there, and
I know I love that, So I just figured why
I risk it?
Speaker 2 (35:44):
There you go?
Speaker 5 (35:45):
Well, when you go to In and Out, try the
Neapolitan shake they mix all three?
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Is that one part of the secret menu. I don't
like the secret menu thing. I don't. I don't like
that at all. That for some reason that bothers me.
Get over it. Try it elitism or something.
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Caddy arms Strong and.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
He Armstrong and Strong.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Welcome to a replay of the Armstrong and Getty Show.
We are on vacation, but boy, do we have some
good stuff for you.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yes, indeed we do.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
And if you want to catch up on your ang
listening during your travels, remember.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Grab the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand. You ought
to subscribe wherever you like to get podcasts. Now on
with the infotainment. Dozens of Ukrainian prisoners.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Of war were freed in an exchange with Russia. They
were greeted to a hero's welcome at a hospital north
of Kiev, but they looked like the living dead, gaunt
heads shaven, their bodies broken and some said beaten. Alexandro
(01:42):
Kolkoff told me he was a prisoner for over three
years and that the Russians broke his ribs. If nothing
was already broken, they would break it, he said.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Jeez, Putin and his military, they're animals. You want to
let them win. Don't get it anyway, Pete Hagzeth, who
we were just applauding for something. He was asked under
oath yesterday by Senate lawmakers. He's doing three appearances before
Congress this weekend, being grilled about a whole bunch of
(02:13):
different things. Senator McConnell, former Majority Leader, asked the question
of Hegxeth who is the aggressor in Ukraine? And Hagzeth said,
Russia is the aggressor now. Steve Hayes of The Dispatch said,
should we be encouraged that Hegzeth gave the obvious and
(02:36):
accurate answer to that question or discourage that McConnell felt
the need to ask it. But yeah, it's good. It's
good good news as far as I'm concerned. Man oh Man,
that's that's something. Those stories about the hostages are prisoners
coming back.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
He had the utter disregard for human life, whether theirs
or other people's. That is part of Russian military history
is a I was just reading and listening about World
War two, some of the major victories that Russia had
and the incredible sacrifices they made, and the point was
made that some of those horrific numbers are because of
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their techniques. They're just utterly heedless of wasting men.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
That it doesn't matter. Tomo never had.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yeah, and US casualties were much much lower in similar encounters,
just because we go about warfare in a very different
way we did back in the forties. Anyway, culture and
continues to today.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Obviously back closer to home. I thought this was a
pretty good point from Jim Garrity the National Review. Do
California elected officials realize how ridiculous they sound when they
spend several days insisting that local law enforcement had it handled,
the streets were quiet, and local law enforcement resources are
sufficient to maintain order, and then a day or two later,
last night, the mayor is forced to declare a curfew. Okay,
(03:58):
you had it and under control, you still got You
had to have a curview last night with the National
Guard troops. What would have been like without them?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
You know?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
The metaphor I keep using and I'm sticking with it
is demark the leaders in California are like a sports
team that has not yet played a real game. They
just scrimmage. They have an inter squad scrimmage over and
over and over again, and they never come up against
an opponent that's really really trying to win, and they
think they have game. Gavin Newsom thinks he has national
(04:32):
level game.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Two suspects of It's just been charged with throwing molotov
cocktails at police during the LA riots. This happened moments ago.
That doesn't sound very peaceful to me. Firebombs. Just a
bunch of people having fun watching carsburn. Just a bunch
of people enjoying watching cars burn.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Oh wait a minute, give me seventy, Michael seventy again,
the great Maxine Waters.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Don't think that somehow, because they called the National Guard
there was violence. There was no violence. I was on
the street. I know.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, those chunks of concrete being hurled over and over
again at the cops.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I guess that video is AI or something. Okay, we
live in a post truth universe. Oh and inflation lower
than expected, So I don't understand what's going on. Why
after a liberation day in the tariffs and the turmoil
and this and that, and of course the endless mainstream
coverage of how Trump's Hitler with a bad economic policy,
(05:34):
his poll numbers are up. In inflation's basically flat.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Okay, bing bing bang bang bing bing bing bing bing
bong bong. Granted, but it's a complicated stew of the economy.
It could be argued that increased fears of economic woes
to come have caused a suppression of consumer spending. I
would have to dig.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Into that economic stew.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Oh hey, speaking of AI, which I mentioned a second ago.
Tens of thousands of people now believe AI or chat
GPT is God.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
What seems to.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Be a religion is forming up around AI. Quasi religious
posts would fill up entire AI forums if moderators didn't
censor them. Just five days ago, the moderator of a
pro AI reddit announced that they are now banning these fanatics.
(06:34):
Two days earlier, another dditor warned of thousands of people
online with spiritual delusions about AI.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I need to look into this. That I hadn't heard
a word about nor anticipated a lot of this stuff.
I had anticipated a lot of us did I hadn't
anticipated that. That's kooky. Now I did get ye, I
did get sent this the other day. It was an ad.
I don't know where the ad show up. I won't
(07:01):
replace him, but I'll be here when you can't sleep.
Here are ten AI boyfriends who help you, heal, distract you,
and remind you of your worth and it's got a
picture of a young handsome man. Where in the hell
are we headed a planet of the beavers? Nobody's getting
together anymore. I won't replace him, but I'll be here
(07:23):
when you can't sleep. Here are ten AI boyfriends who
help you, heal, distract you, and remind you of your worth.
That is so freaking crazy. That is so freaking crazy.
How did it happen so fast? I mean we thought
maybe someday, if AI gets good enough and robots look
(07:43):
exactly like humans, possibly the most deranged among us could develop. No, no,
just the middle of that sentence that happened, just just
words on a screen with no voice, yeah, and no
image whatsoever. And no robot is making people stay at
home and feel like they're in a relationship. That is
so crazy.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
You yourself have mentioned that uh chat GPT or whatever
is a better counselor than most counselors.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Freaking right if you have that in using that that
biggest stretch that it's a better friend too. Yeah, but
a but an emotional like love.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Relationship, really, see, a friend relationship is sick because it's
like you No, no, I haven't.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I haven't felt that at all any like friendship or
anything like that. The ability to distill a tremendous amount
of information down to the best very quickly and put
it in like conversational terms. Yes, but that is so nuts.
I mean, I don't know where we're going, man, down
this road lies Matt, You're right, Jonathan Turley, Maybe this
(08:50):
stat that I came across doesn't matter since everybody's going
to be in love with a chatbot. You can't have
a kid with a chatbot. The average cost of raising
a child in the US is now twenty six thousand
dollars per year. Okay, I think most parents listening right
now are saying, how in the heck are you raising
(09:11):
a kid for twenty six thousand dollars a year?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Really?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I mean, I don't know what they factor into raising
a kid or whatnot, but seems low to me. Everything
everything in, food, clothes, schooling, everything. Every time I hear
those numbers, whether they are low or high, I think,
how did you come up with that? That's true? Yeah,
because what are you? And who asked? Band? Rental, travel, sports, vacation.
(09:44):
But then again, to my point, who asked you? Since
I've never heard a parent good point say, you know
my kid's costing more than I thought. I'm a good
point consider change in this relationship. No parent has like
on their spreadsheet or whatever. If you're the sort of
(10:06):
person that does this, I don't probably should where you
put all your expenses. I don't know if anybody who
like has things that they put in the what it
cost me to have a kid column to keep track?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Well, right, yeah, yeah, I've never having raised three kids,
I had a minor child under my roof for twenty
five straight years. At no point did Judy and I
ever say, all right, we need to total up all
these expenses so we can what and then we'll grant
credits for lawns mode and bathrooms cleaned or whatever chores
(10:39):
were done, and then we'll I mean, it's just it
wasn't anything we ever thought about.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Yea, I'll knock off five thousand dollars for the most
satisfying thing I've ever done in life. I'll give you that,
But the rest of it is just a cost.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
It's a negative, right, and the whole I'm just it's funny.
Maybe I lacked imagination as a youngster, but Judy and
I knew we wanted to have kids. Point and so
we went ahead. There was no like, long, careful, can we.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Afford to or what?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
No, you just do it and figure it out and
it goes fine.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Were we poor? Yes? Was it fine? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Well, the expenses just kind of fit in with the
rest of your household expenses. I mean, I suppose you
could make the argument that your house is bigger, so
part of the house payment goes is because of them,
and you have to maybe have a bigger car and
make more trips. You figure out all the gas for
driving to pick them up at school and drop them.
I mean, you're a nut if you do that.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Well right, yeah, and again, why are we talking about it?
I don't know, so you can't exactly what's the thing exactly? Yeah, well,
I need to put a price on each child.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
The boy's extra handsome, so I'll getting a discount. But yeah,
it's an odd bit of analysis. You play sports, not
dollars and cents. You play sports, so I had to
buy you more clothes for that. You don't play sports,
but you're in band, so you have a different cost.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
What the hell?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know, seems odd. Life is not
dollars and cents, folks, she can't take it with you. Ah, right,
moving along. I don't want to talk unrest anymore. I'll
tell you this. Here's a great protest for you. This
is really going to get a lot of people on
their side. Hundreds of flowers were vandalized at a botanical
(12:20):
Michigan garden, and the activists who did it left pro
Palestinian signs behind that said plant lives don't matter. Human
lives do.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Oh my god, glue those people to something, Let us
pelt them with rocks or fruit.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I'm in favor of all of those things. The garden
director made his heart broken tell of.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
The few things that falls under our strict reading of
cruel and unusual. Glue to them to something and throw
rocks at them is probably cruel and unusual, Barber, It's
a little cruel and certainly unusual. You've been sentenced to
be glued to something in public. Yeahan lives. You deserve
(13:06):
to be cared for more than these flowers. Don't waste
your tears on the flowers. They're not even dead, and
we'll grow again next spring. Ah. Is it even worth
going this far into this conversation? Do they possibly think
they did their cause any help. I almost feel like
if I wanted to discredit the pro Palestinian crowd, I
(13:31):
would do something like that. Is this like a you know,
a noose flag operation, a noose in a fraternity to
show racism, and it turns out it's the somebody put
it up on purpose.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
To stop the war, resist imperialism, the flowers and crazy people.
I would like to give you a good thrash, glue
you or something.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Jack Armstrong and Joe, the Armstrong and Getty Show, The
Armstrong and So Japan released their birth statistics yesterday. They
had about six hundred and eighty thousand babies in twenty
twenty four. That was down five point seven percent from
(14:13):
the previous year, which had set a record.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Previous ye year.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So this is the spiral that people talk about that
if you've ever read about it or looked at it mathematically,
there's something happens when you're when you're you know, it's
like compound interest. Really, it's a similar concept when you
stop having babies and then those people don't grow up,
so they don't have two kids, and I mean it
(14:38):
just exponentially shrinks and then at some point you hit
a tipping point and it just goes really really fast,
and they must be there. In Japan, a drop of
five point seven percent in one year from the previous
record low in terms of babies what will be next year.
It's the lowest number of babies born since they started
keeping data. Again, they do this fairly regularly, and the
(15:02):
now current number of live births per mom is what
I just came across it. It's incredibly low. It's well
below sustainable rate and will drop very very fast there
and now at I think it was one point one
point one five, it's about half. Really, it's tired than
(15:22):
I thought it was, honestly, but has a birth rate
to sustain your population and you don't allow immigration.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Right, what the hell? I realize. I'm easily amazed, But
I want to go back to that figure. If your
birth rate dropped by five point seven percent in a decade,
that would be a huge story.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
It dropped in a year, yeah, I know, it's absolutely incredible.
There's all kinds of fallout from this, like, for instance,
the number of vacant homes that they have in Japan.
There's just lots of houses that are vacant, but there's
nobody to buy because there's just are enough people and
they're trying to figure out what to do with that.
The number of ikea uninhabited properties that's the term, has
(16:09):
topped nine million nationwide, with nine hundred thousand of them
in Tokyo alone, just uninhabited places, and there's nobody that's
gonna buy them because there's no hope of anybody buying them.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Well, there's nobody to buy them because there's no body. Yeah, exactly,
I'm going ahead to Tokyo to do some prime squatting.
I'm gonna go down to Shinjuku, squatt in some apartment,
eat some sushi.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Anyway, like I said.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Fuji, I've never been to Japan obviously, Like I said earlier,
we get to watch the Japan's gonna be the you
know what's gonna happen to the rest of us in
Western society is our birth rates decline to and see
what happens.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Of course, we allow lots of sometimes not on purpose immigration,
which is different than a lot of your Asian countries
that have zero right.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
They're very very racist, uh they actually are.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Anyway, So Japan will be a land mass with historical
sites and no humans.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Well, the whole country will be like the proverbial Japanese
soldier hiding out in the jungle after World War Two.
I mean, there are occasionally you'll come across the human
being and be like, well, hey, what the hell, it's
a whole country. Tokyo will be, you know, a post
apocalyptic moonscape or something arm Strong see Armstrong and Ghetti show.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
So I got this new talkbacked feature that we're gonna try,
and we're we're in the we're in the what do
they call it, the beta phase of figuring out how
we're gonna utilize this on the show or whatever. And
I threw out the first question, try this out to somebody.
This is somebody called in and then we record them
or whatever, because we stopped taking calls years ago for
a variety of reasons that listeners would know. So I
(18:11):
throw out the question of what do you like about
the Armstrong and Giddy show. Hey, you could be the
first call it Hitler, Muslim extremist.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
That's good stuff, So hey, you can be the first.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
So solid, Okay, we don't need to hear twice. So
so we're off to a good start. And uh, I again,
do we need to reiterate why we stopped taking calls.
But apparently this is some more on the question of
what do you like about the Armstrong and Giddy show?
You are my favorite people. You make me laugh in
(18:48):
the morning when I'm taking the train to work.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
I love it. Thank you for being you.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I do have to agree. Joe's looks are rough, but
then again he has as beautiful hair. Why do you lie?
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Is it your greed?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
The best part of Armstrong and Giddy is Katie, and
when she was gone for a week, that was like
a void.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
I couldn't believe.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
You make me laugh, you make me cry, you make
me mad, But in the end, you make the first
three or four hours of my day at least a
good informative. You make these guys.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Have a good one.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
What do I like about the Armstrong and Gutty show.
I like the fact that you don't take calls.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
We'll see how.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
This little experiment goes, but I'm not optimistic. Don't let
your meat.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Loaf, don't let your hot dogs dand don't let your wristwatch. Okay,
that made me incredibly uncomfortable? Me too, Why why did
that make me thinky?
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Did you ask that question? All right, we have tomorrow
you you come up with the question, Yeah, we'll try
it again.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Better than that.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
So I just I wanted something I knew people to
respond to to get the first one. So this was
in the New York Times the other day. It was
an opinion piece, but a lot of fact built into it.
The question was American men are getting worse at maintaining friendships.
I think have I actually heard this before? Just heard
people in real life mention it to me? Anyway, American
(20:25):
men are getting worse at maintaining friendships. Is it a
lack of time or energy or is it something else?
And then getting into some of the details that this
person writes, what I didn't know is that American men
are getting significantly worse at friendship. A study in twenty
twenty four by the Survey Center on American Life found
that only a quarter of men reported having six or
(20:47):
more close friends. That seems like a lot to me.
Pulling a similar question in nineteen ninety, Gallup had put
this figure at over half of men had six or
more close friends. The same Survey Center found that seventeen
percent of men had zero close friends. That was a
fivefold increase from nineteen ninety, the zero crowd went from well,
(21:11):
it increased five times. Yeah, probably roughly three to seventeen.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
It's awful. I agree, six seems like a lot, but yeah,
zero is too few.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
The lack of intimacy among male friends may seem normal
because it's what we're accustomed to, but it isn't. Until
the twentieth century, it was not uncommon for men in
this country to openly hold hands, sit on each other's
lapse in public party any.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Wait, whoa whoa, Wait a minute, Yeah, that happened all
the time. Wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I don't know if I believe this. Until the twentieth century,
it was not uncommon for men in this country to
openly hold hands, sit on each other laps in public parts,
and write each other passionate, platonic love letters. You know
my desire to befriend you is everlasting, Abraham Lincoln. I
have wrote to his friend Joshua Speed and blah blah blah.
(22:06):
Herman Melville, who wrote Moby Dick, once wrote to yes, Katie,
you already have a comment. I can tell.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
I'm just gonna say, if this is true, you guys
should bring that back each other's thing. I've ever heard
in my life.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Kill me?
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Oh my god, so is it? Herman? Melville once wrote
to Daniel Hawthorne, what's he famous for? Red badge of courage?
Not Stephen Crane? What Hawthorne? Anyway? The scarlet letter might
be Crane, two famous authors from the eighteen hundreds. Melville
(22:46):
wrote to Hawthorne that Hawthorne's heart beat in my ribs
and mine in yours, and described their friendship as an
friendship as an infinite fraternity of feeling. That is not
the sort of thing I would write to a friend
of the yod you see that game last night would
be closer to it. Can I sit on your lap
in the park?
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Hey, when we played golf, that was an infinite what
did you say?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Fraternity of feeling?
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah? Today, dude, it was fun. Thanks for writing.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
I gotta know this, Katie. Who's Nathaniel Hawthorne? What did
he write? Scarlet letter? Scarlettletter? Joe's right congratulates got it? Yes,
today we may see these gestures as homo erotic, but
men at the time, gay and straight talk to one
another in this way. I don't know that we have
to go back to holding hands as we walk down
the street are sitting on each other's laps. But I
(23:38):
don't know. You don't even see grown women sitting on
each other's laps, So it's not a male thing. What
the hell is that?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Is there a lack of seating back in the day?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Was that what was going on?
Speaker 5 (23:49):
You absolutely do see women sitting on each other's laps,
you do?
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yeah, oh yeah all the time? Are not bars concerts? Okay? Absolutely?
If there's only one share? Did they ever actidently kiss? Yes?
All the time. It's crazy how it happened. Yes, Okay, Well,
so I guess I'm wrong about that, all right, So
(24:14):
it's kill don't know if that's got much to do
with the friendship thing. Something tells me.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
There's a greater point here beyond the lap sitting and
handholding though, right.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Well, so for the I have a bunch of questions.
Define good friend? Close friend? I feel like I need
a definition on that. Oh, I think we all have
one in our heads, don't we. Beyond a companion, you
(24:41):
do stuff with.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
You, You talk about your lives and ups and downs
in a sincere way. If you have to call on
them to help you, even if it is inconvenient, expensive,
or difficult. They'll come through for you.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
You know, how often you need to talk to them
to All of that.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Depends, I suppose, you know. It's it's funny this should
come up. I missed the last hour of the show
yesterday an unexcused absence, which will go on my permanent record.
But I had the opportunity to reconnect with a friend
who I had not seen in far too long, and
because of his travel schedule and all, and I had
to like go where he was. That something had to give,
(25:24):
and so I missed an hour of the show, which
I never would have done for years and years and years.
But I because partly because I'm a little obsessive about
this job, I have not prioritized friendships, and it has
left me a less happy person. So it's funny that
this should come up today.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Do you think that's what people are doing? Men are
doing they're working too much.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Have have friends or other. Entertainment is always there. It's the
same thing that keeps guys from going out and finding
a girlfriend and you know, actually having a delightful physics.
The emulations. They're so entertained, they're on their couch, they
don't bother.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, so that's That's kind of where I was going,
is just thinking it's probably the same phenomenon of not
needing to date or have sex. I mean, if you
can overcome the strongest desire that all beasts have to
have sex, then you can certainly give up, you know,
hanging out with another dude now and talking. Yeah, right,
(26:27):
for whatever it is that you're doing instead, which I
assume is I don't know, video games, porn, hanging out.
I don't know what it.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Is, but yeah, porn, video games. I think it all
is under the awful, evil umbrella of disconnectedness. I've got
another big fat article that I've got in my queue
to read about. You know that topic again. I mean,
it's just undeniably at the root of so much that's
going on right now in human society, particularly the Western world. Again,
(26:56):
and we've made this point many times. Forgive us if
you've heard it before, but the idea that catastrophic plunges
in the birth rate are merely interesting is that would
not apply if there were any beast on Earth that
had a catastrophic drop in it's firth off.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Remember when riientists would be obsessed with it. Remember we
were getting so many news stories about bees because bees
might go away? How about human beings going away? That
seems like a big bees jack.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Oh yeah, so I stupid. I ashamed of that I had.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
I had my guard up a little bit and still
do for it just being a there's something wrong with
men story When it's Homo sapiens. Clearly there's something wrong
with human beings. We're not getting together at all. So
turning to turn it into a why why are men
so worried about sitting, you know, being seen holding hands
that they don't have friends anymore? I just I feel
(27:53):
like they're going for an angle there.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah, that was a particularly New York Times guy. He's
really ought to be able to hold hands and maybe
kiss and stuff like that, because you know, traditional masculinity
is stupid. It had a bit of a feel field.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
And that's why you don't have friends anymore, because you're
too homophobic.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yeah right, somehow that isn't it.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I don't know if I noticed that. It's different than
it was decades ago, like nineteen ninety. I was a
twenty five year old in nineteen ninety, so I don't know.
It's either a crisis or it's not well. But again,
there is a crisis that people in general don't hang
out with other people period, So don't try to make
(28:36):
it a there's something wrong with men's story.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
No, in my mind, no, no, I think it's the
canary and the coal mine or the owl or something.
I don't know. But because women have so much stronger,
generally speaking, so much stronger and urge to build coalitions
and social groups than men do, and it's different. I
(29:00):
think you're seeing it first among men, especially because and
it's funny we're talking about this in the context of
the Democratic Party trying to understand why they've lost young
men and how masculinity and traditional roles have been demonized,
especially on the progressive left. Yeah, the things that brought
(29:24):
men together traditionally for years and years. And it's funny
the New York Times should suddenly be enamored with traditional
male roles and the way males acted. A lot of
that's gone.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah. One note before we take a break is just
I was thinking at the gym, because everybody where is this.
I'm sure this is true for you, Katie, the gym
you go to, but everybody wears earbuds, So everybody's got earbuds.
In and I go to the gym every single day,
and I was just sitting there with my earbuds listening
to a podcast, sitting there in between sets. The other
day thinking I have been going to the same gym
(29:59):
with the same people, oftentimes for what nine months now,
I don't know anybody's name. I've never spoken a word
to any of these people. You go back pre wearing earpieces.
I think I would know everybody in here just because
you couldn't help it. I mean you would. You couldn't
help being in the same room with all those people
in silence, or maybe with a with a jam box
(30:22):
playing in the corner that you wouldn't have started up
hot today. And yeah, I know, I was supposed to
go golfing with some friends, but I got and they've
got conversations starts now, you know, and something happens. Yeah,
and you get to know her and everybody know, but
now nobody. I have never said a word to a
single person at my gym. Maybe are you dog?
Speaker 2 (30:43):
The other day and our neighbor came out with her
dog and I shouted a happy greeting, intending to converse
that she had the earbuds going, and yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Which I do all the time. I'm not faulting her, no, no, no, yeah,
it works both ways. But anytime I tried to say
something like are you done here or whatever, so they
always got to pause their device and what was that?
So that might have something to do with it.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
Activists, including Greta Tumberg, the environmental activist, arrived at a
port in Israel after they were detained by Israel's navy
on board and aid ship found for Gaza. The activists
group called the Freedom Flotilla Coalition, claims that the israelis
quote unlawfully boarded their ship, which was full of baby
formula and medical supplies, and quote confiscated the goods. Israel
(31:31):
calls the ship and its passengers a quote selfie yacht,
and they said the mission's sole purpose was publicity. Israel
plans to quickly deport the detained activists back to their
home countries.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Israel also claims that the.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
Aid that wasn't quote consumed by the celebrities unquote will
be sent to Gaza through humanitarian channels.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
That's good trolling right there by.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
The idf oh, the selfie yacht. It is obviously such
a stunt because it's such a dent in, you know,
in the whole thing. And this doesn't get reported a lot,
But there have been millions of meals provided they're in Gaza,
millions some of which are stolen by Hamas, but most
(32:13):
of them are millions over the last several weeks.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yeah, they had less than a single truckload of AID.
More than twelve hundred AID trucks have entered Gaza from
Israel within the past two weeks, et cetera. I think
the selfie yacht is a good name for it. I
love that they made these people watch October seventh footage
as condition of their release the Freedom Flotilla. Do you
think Hamas wants freedom?
Speaker 1 (32:39):
You morons?
Speaker 2 (32:41):
This is all wrong.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yes, you're right. Well, so that was back when she
was more of a child. You can't blame her really
for the you know, the lefty world elevated her to
Pope's status when she was a child. You know, that
would get to your that would go to your head.
You would start to think, well, people really care what
I think about stuff?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
She's unhinged, poor kid.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Well it was that whole because she's a child. That
makes it more true. Thing about climate change, there for
a cup of coffee. Soda fans I say pop, so
I'll say pop. Pop fans are freaking out over the
limited return of the beloved, beloved Coca Cola flavor. I
didn't know this was so beloved. Diet cherry coke is
(33:24):
making a comeback. Anybody excited about that?
Speaker 2 (33:28):
No, I consume that way back in the day, but
it sounds disgusting to me.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Now, you don't drink pop. Oh, you're better than us.
I don't drink pop either, correct, Yes, yes, Katie, do
you drink pop rarely?
Speaker 5 (33:40):
But everything everything that cherry flavored tastes like cough syrup
to me.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
That manufactured cherry flavor. I can't do it different red fruit.
But did you know this is My son said this
can't be true. He wanted a strawberry milkshake the other day.
We were at In and Out and he says, they
have the best strawberry milkshakes. And I said, you know,
I've never had a strawberry milkshake, which added to the
list of things Jack is never which I couldn't believe.
(34:06):
And I know I've never had a story. It always
sounded gross to me. But you know, I'm starting to
think it might be delicious. This is this. I think
about this because my son, Henry, the thirteen year old,
had his first Ham sandwich the other day and loved it.
It's not because I haven't like allowed him. I've been
trying to encourage that for years, but he just thought
(34:26):
Ham sounded awful. For some reason. He finally tried Ham
and he said, Dad, Ham is fantastic. I said, yes, yes, yes, welcome.
So he loves the Ham sandwich. And I'll bet in
the last week I'm not exaggerating. I'd be shocked if
he hasn't had twenty Ham sandwiches in the last week,
two or three a day.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
But you know, I'm a guy. I had my first
BLT when I was forty five, and I remember coming
on the air the next day and saying, the belt
is amazing. I've never had one before.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Have you checked out?
Speaker 1 (34:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
A sun that or falling in love those are kind
of nice too. Puppy is a nice Puppy.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
Working with you is so great, Jack, because every day
it's like.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Really, wow, I know, well, but.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I have such wonders that await me. You know, other
people have to I don't know, travel to BALI to
have some new experience. All I got to do is apple, bacon,
lettuce and tomato sandwich.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Or try one of the three most popular flavors of
milkshake hunters.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Right now, I've never had a strawberry milkshake. I should
try that. They're really good, That's what everybody says.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
They always sound it gross to me. And whenever you're
offered one, there's also a chocolate or vanilla.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
But why the strawberry is a delightful berry universally enjoyed.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
But there's always a chocolate or vanilla option there, and
I know I love that, So I just figured why
I risk it?
Speaker 2 (35:44):
There you go?
Speaker 5 (35:45):
Well, when you go to In and Out, try the
Neapolitan shake they mix all three?
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Is that one part of the secret menu. I don't
like the secret menu thing. I don't. I don't like
that at all. That for some reason that bothers me.
Get over it. Try it elitism or something.
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