Rod and Greg Show - Assassination Attempt on Donald Trump; Kamala-No Post Debate Bounce - The Rod & Greg Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
He's Mussolini. He's just all in all rolled into one.
And what's going on there.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
They're acting out on it, and they and of course
they're going to blame Trump, that it's going to be
his fault because he actually has a different opinion than them. Well,
then that makes him worthy of or deserving of the
violence that's that's been attempted against him. And so I mean,
it's it's actually I'm I'm being flippant, but that's actually
being said.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yeah, what a bizarre story. And we got a few
more details today. I've got one question. It's been reported
that Trump going to the golf course was kind of impromptu.
You know, he was here Saturday night. I heard Glenn
Beck talk about the fundraiser he had here Saturday night,
and Glenn asked him, what are you doing. He said,
I'm going to flying home tomorrow Lago tonight. I'm gonna

(00:44):
take the day off. I'm just gonna go home. We're
going to relax a little bit. Hey, he probably relaxed,
and he's a busy kind of guy, and he just said,
I think I'll go golf, all right, So he goes.
It was not his schedule. How did this guy know
now he camped out, apparently in the bushes for about
twelve hours. From what we entdered, was it a lucky guess, Greg,
that he was just thinking, well, maybe the President will

(01:04):
come out today and play a little golf and I'll
take a shot at him.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
I mean, how did he know Trump's schedule? I think
I think that's left to be determined. I find coincidence
is not to be coincidental. I I don't. I don't
think that when when something happens like this, I don't
believe in this this you know, the silver bullet that
flies by that we all witness at the same time.
It's hard for me to believe that wild that you

(01:28):
would go to the Marlago and you would just camp
out and sure enough the former president is going to
be just cart and by there and you just if
you just wait twelve hours, you're going to see it.
I just don't I think there's he was either surveilling him,
following somehow. I don't know, but I don't think it
was just blind luck.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah, what a crazy story, folks. How are you everybody?
Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show here on Utah's
Talk Radio one, All five nine cann Arris. I'm roder
Arkat citizen Greg Hughes, who had and lived his own
real life planes, trains and automobile stories.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
I had you for a long time trying.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
To get back from Pittsburgh.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
You know, I don't know if you folks, if you
remember the classic Planes, Trains and Autoiabiles with John Candy
and and uh uh Steve Steve Martin. Steve Martin and
I love that movie. I've watched it many times. I
don't think it's a comedy anymore. Nope, it's a cautionary tale.
It's a cautionary tale. I was with my lifelong friend D.
And if he isn't a twin of John Candy, I

(02:27):
don't know who is. And but at least Steve Martin's
character met randomly John Candy. I've known D my life,
and I had him right by my side as everything failed,
everything I led.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
I took you all over the country just to get.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
They're just rude about it too. What's happened to that?

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Come?

Speaker 2 (02:43):
I mean, I don't know, man, Is our airlines just
getting a lot of money from the government. They don't
care about us customers anymore?

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (02:49):
What's happening. I mean, there wasn't any bad weather. I
don't know what was saying, you have to now live
in Atlanta, But you're living in Atlanta, sir. There is
no fight for you. And here here is a here's
a roach motel that you get to stay in that
smells like mildew with every inhale. Okay, it was, and
it was all in the wee hours of the morning.

(03:10):
And it's just horrible. But I'll tell you, I'm dedicated
to you, Rod, and I'm dedicating to show. You couldn't
hold me back. I'm operating on a few hours of
sleep and lots of Red Bull, but I'm here. I
would never miss the show.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
You're a little dinghy. But other than that's right, Yeah,
let's get it. Let's get into what happened yesterday. I mean,
let's start at the beginning. So Trump decides to go golfing.
All right, it's about I think it's about one fifty
in the afternoon, right, He's on the fifth hole, okay,
and he's setting up a putt okay, and he hears
pop pop, pop pop, and all of a sudden, the

(03:44):
Secret Service goes, what's going on? We're getting you out
of here, mister president. So they get him out of there.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Right, wait a minute, I got a four footer. I
can make this for Bertie. I got a four foot
get back off, give you more fight. I need this putt.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
No, we would say that on the green man if
I got a burdi putt. I don't see him and
we just finish the put So they rush them off. Well,
come to find out, they he was on the fifth hole,
on the sixth hole, and the Secret Service always plays
a hole ahead. They want to make sure everything's okay.
So an agent up on the sixth hole is looking
around and all of a sudden he sees this rifle

(04:18):
barrel and a scope pop out from behind the bushes
through the fence, and immediately he reacts and fires. By you,
that's where you hear the pop pop pop.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
Right.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
The guy who was holding the gun gets up and
realizes he's been spotted, and he takes off. He gets
into his car and he drives away. Now, how about
the citizen who saw him, This is an important part.
Took a took the license plate down, the make of
the car down, immediately called police and they were able
to track him down a short time.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Later absent that citizens, uh, you know, being on the
ball and doing that in the Secret Service, and certain
agent on the sixth that if that attempted, if that
assass and had been able to get away, the narrative
today would be he's looking for a bump in the polls.
This is the right wing is this is all stage,
it is even real, and they would deny it all

(05:10):
this guy. You know, we weren't able to learn a
lot about the assailant in the first one because they
killed him and then they cremated him, and that we
still this day don't know anything about him, which I
think that's your sign that he's left of center, because if, certainly,
if he was right of center, we found out about
those shooters from the media right away. But this guy,
because he was captured and it's pretty hard to make

(05:32):
him disappear. At that point, we're able to see how
much he hated the president, how much he was buying
into the media and the leftists argument that we're going
to lose democracy if he becomes president. He was saying,
we have to save democracy. He can't be president. All
the rhetoric, all the vitriol, everything that they've been saying

(05:53):
about President Trump. That President Trump, by the way, and
the debate said I got shot in the head. I
got shot at because of the way you speak about me.
Exactly why that man was there, because of the narrative.
And this is a guy that had originally voted for
him in sixteen. By the time he got to twenty,
he was absolutely opposed to him. And now the guys
and you look at him. He's had incident, he has
a bit of a record. He's not all there. But

(06:13):
I think that when you have people like that, which
we know we do, when the media continues to do
what they're doing. I mean, do you remember that after
the first one, I had some Democrat friends that said,
I think we needed to hear about themselves. We need
to end the fascist talk. We need to like simmer
this down a bit. And that was he was coming
from their perspective. They blew right past that.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Well, they blew a past it. A Sunday afternoon before
this happened on MSNBC, there was a woman on there
during one of the shows and they were talking about
the President in his comments and jad Vanson's comments over
the past week about the Haitian refugees in Ohio. Yeah,
she goes off on this tangent, he's Hitler, he's trying
to make America Nazi Germany. And she goes on and

(06:52):
on and on. And you got to believe that feeds
into some people who were out theah a little bit.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Well, the left has it now that if you don't
subscribe to their worldview, then you you suffer from moral
and intellectual failings that you are. You are racist to bigot,
a misogynist, a fascist and nazi whatever you are, or
you're uneducated, you're dumb, and you're just you're just the
blind being led.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
There's there's just no space in their world for a
different opinion.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
And and so when you get when you talk like that,
I mean, you're gonna you're going to you're gonna get
crazy people like this to act the way they're acting.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah, now you can believe the rhetoric had something to
do with it, right, But I also think there's another
angle you need to think about law enforcement, Secret Service, FBI,
whatever a government agency lawne have focused on the right
wing wackos.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yes, okay, that's true.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
You know those organizations they have paid no attention to
the questionable characters on the left. And we've had two
incidents now, people on the left who've taken a shot
at Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
And I would argue that this started even around the
time when the parents are come to the school schooled
board meetings talking protesting on curriculum, protesting on the on
the and notifying of parents. And you saw that memo
that was put out. I have a copy of it
on my my my computer somewhere, but from the DJ
that was saying that people that parents attending these uh,

(08:18):
these meet these school board meetings, people that own guns, uh,
people that they they're a Republican, they they fit this
profile of a domestic terrorist. And so they started that
mantra really I think undeservedly. But in the meantime, while
they're doing that, the real threats are are running amok.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
So well, I want to play this audio sound by.
This was actually from CNN yesterday following the shooting. Aaron
Burnett was on with a man by the name of
Tim Clement. Tim Clement is a former FBI agent. All Right,
he understands this. Listen to his comments about what's happening
in this country now.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
The last shooter in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 6 (08:56):
I don't want to say his name because I don't
want to promote him in any way, but he was
clearly a guy that was looking for the notoriety of
taking that shot. I would think we're going to find
that this guy's extremely politically motivated and that he probably
was spurred on by much of the political diatribes that
are going on these days talking about Trump, equating him
to Hitler and things like that. So I don't think

(09:17):
this is the last we'll see if crazy he's out
there trying to do this.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Well, that's kind of what a frightening thought last will see.
It's not the last we'll see the crazies out there
trying to do something like this. Again, Greg, that's kind
of frue well.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
And I just wish that there was a way there.
There has to be some accountability, even if it's just
just collectively by Americans, that you cannot keep speaking about
this former president the way they are. He has served
this country and there's been enough good that you cannot
keep calling him a fascist, a dictator, Hitler, someone that's

(09:48):
going to end this country as we know it after
he has served as president. And I would argue, and
I think it's almost verifiable, much better in those that
term than the last four years we've lived in And
you just can't go this far. If you do, you're
you're throwing gasoline on this fire. Yeah, they're the ones
to sure remember, let's see, was there a time when
he was a dictator, when he was in the White House? Amazingly, No,

(10:10):
I can't, I can't think of them you No, I
mean nothing in the rhetoric, nothing in their hyperbole, matches
the actual you know, time on the job. Amazing.

Speaker 7 (10:19):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
It is all right. We've got a lot more to
talk about this, and we invite you to stay with
us as you work your way home on this a
Monday afternoon. Hope you had a great weekend. Great to
be with you here on the Rod and Greg Show.
If you want to be a part of the discussion
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(10:40):
assassination attempt on president former President Trump's life yesterday. Of course,
everybody's talking about the rhetoric, the heated rhetoric that we
have in this country. You remember, after what happened in Butler, Pennsylvania.
There was talk about lowering the temperature a little bit.
Do you think they have Greig?

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Not at all, none at all. They thought they out
to themselves. What are we thinking? Yeah, you know, if
we if we quit talking about it, nobody thinking that.
Everybody forgets Let's keep going. Yeah, and they did well.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Joining us on our Newsmaker line right now from the Federalist,
a good friend of the show, John Daniel Davidson Senior,
corresponding there, John, how are you welcome to the Rod
and Greg Show. Thanks for being with us, John, Hey,
thanks for having me John. What happened? I guess they
decided not to lower the temperature? Is that fair to say?

Speaker 8 (11:24):
No?

Speaker 7 (11:24):
And they didn't lower the temperature you know after Butler
Pennsylvania obviously, and they're not lowering it now. This is
something that the Democrats really have been doing since the
beginning of this election cycle, the Democrats and the corporate media,
you know, publishing story after story, cover story after cover
story comparing Trump to Hitler. The New Republic a couple

(11:46):
of months back ran a cover of you know, Hitler
and Trump's face interposed over one another. All of the
major media outlets have been repeating this rhetoric that Trump
is this existential threat to democracy. Biden's been saying it
for months, Kamala Harris has been saying it for months.
This is their election strategy. And I think at this
point you have to wonder if they don't hope that

(12:09):
this kind of thing does incite future assassination attempts on Trump,
hoping that one of them will work.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, you know, so you're right, And I'm wondering, does
is there an understanding? So last night sixty minutes, Scott
Pelly does a story in the timing. You know, it's
last night after all this has happened. And if you
didn't know a thing about Donald Trump, or you were
just just gathering your news from the regime media, you
would watch that sixty minutes piece and you would think

(12:39):
he's that Donald the former president, was really a bad guy,
that he really did incite January sixth riots, and that people.
I mean, just all the interviews, there was nothing, there
wasn't Everything was about as bad as you could describe it,
and even in ways that I don't think we're accurate.
My question is, have they jumped the shark? Are they
Phonsie and is this the last season of the Happy

(13:00):
Days and they're jumping the shark, it means it's over
because they're just so out of touch with America's American sensibilities.
Or do we have to tell people that they're being
that they're being duped by this by the leftists in
the in the media.

Speaker 7 (13:16):
Well, I think we have to. I mean, I think
both ands right. One of the things that shows that
they've jumped to shark, as you say, and are losing
their influence is that the media, as with one Voice
after the debate with Kamala Harris said, oh Harris wanted
the debate. You know, she really cleaned Trump's clock there,
how great she did. But then as the days passed

(13:38):
and as the week went on, the polls showed that
there was no gain for Kamala Harris from that that debate.
And then actually the more time went on, the opposite happened,
and the polls showed a growing lead for Donald Trump
after that debate. So, you know, the media is losing credibility.
I think ordinary people who aren't you know, don't obsessively

(13:59):
follow the news like we do. All you have to
do is just look at what they do. Any normal person,
you know, casually tuning into that debate would have been
appalled at the behavior of those ABC News moderators basically
younging up on Trump and beclowning themselves and torturing their credibility.
Ordinary people can see that, and I think that's why,

(14:20):
For example, as I said, there was no debate advantage
for Kamala Harris after that debate, even though the entire
media apparatus said that she won.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Does the public do you think John c through the
rhetoric as well? You mentioned they see through the debate
and what was going on there. Do average common sense
Americans also see through the rhetic rhetoric and what they're
trying to do to cast him as Hitler or Mussolini
or Stalin? I mean, are they seen through? Do you
think John?

Speaker 7 (14:48):
I think so, because you know, the simple fact is
most Americans can look at their lives, how they were,
and their their you know, finances, and their their employment
under the Trump administration, and they I know that it
was better under Trump. Everybody knows that our personal experiences
speak louder than you know, rhetoric on ABC News or

(15:08):
on Twitter, you know, and everybody is reminded of that
every time they go to the grocery store, every time
they fill up the gas tank. We all know things
were better under Trump. There's nobody in the country who
doesn't know that, whatever their political allegiances or biases, right,
and so yeah, you know, that kind of rhetoric is
designed to appeal to the hardcore, radical leftist base of

(15:31):
the Democratic Party. And again, honestly, I hate to say it,
but I think it's also designed to appeal to unstable
individuals like the shooter in Butler, Pennsylvania, or this guy
who was just arrested over the weekend at the golf
course in Florida. It's designed to incite these kinds of
attempts on Trump's life because again, you know, not to

(15:51):
sound like a conspiracy theorist or anything, but they tried
everything to stop Trump and nothing has worked. The lawsuits
didn't work, the Russia Coli usion hoax didn't work, and
it doesn't seem that swapping Biden out for Harris is
working either. And so I think they're trying to incite
people to do this. I don't think it's a stretch
to say that, you know, and.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
I'll give you I think You're exactly right. I think
it's hate. I think they are running on truly on you.
They want you to hate Donald Trump more than you
want to protect your self interests. Really, I mean, you've
just laid out the case of everyone feels what's happening
to them now versus the way it used to be.
And you uniquely have two presidents or two administrations to
compare from, which you usually don't in a presidential election.

(16:33):
But every single thing they've done to Donald Trump is
to yeah, to make you hate, or be or afraid
or vote out of fear rather than in an aspirational way.
She doesn't have one thing to say because the only
thing she has to say is you should be afraid
of what a Trump getting a second term would be. Again,
just because you're a you know, you're a thought leader.
Does does being afraid of Trump win out over people's

(16:57):
own self interest? If they vote for their self interest
and what is good for them and their families or
in their lives, you wouldn't vote for Harris, but will
they because they're so afraid of Trump?

Speaker 7 (17:08):
Well that's what democrats are betting on. And you know,
it's really remarkable to watch how Democrats have framed this whole,
you know, elections like whether Biden. You know, when Biden
was the candidate, and now that Harris is a candidate,
it's the same thing. You would think that the Democrats
here are not the incumbents but the challengers. Kamala Harris
is the sitting vice president, and she's the sitting vice

(17:29):
president in an administration with an absentee president. Right Biden's gone,
his political career is over. He's not even working right now.
He's just sitting on the beach. You know, his mind
is empty, you know. Yet Kamala Harris is running as
though she's the challenger when she's actually the incumbent. And
so they don't have any accomplishments to run on. They

(17:51):
don't have anything to point to that they can say, Hey,
we made your lives better, we solved this problem. All
they have is failed policies and disaster upon disaster, whether
it's the border or foreign policy. And so they have
to make it about Trump. They have to make it
about fear and hatred and scare mongering, and so they're
doing their darnness and the media, which really should just

(18:12):
be considered an arm of the DNC, is right there
within every step.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
Of the way.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
They sure John is always very chatting with you. Thanks
for joining us on the show this afternoon, John, Thank you,
enjoy the rest of the evening.

Speaker 7 (18:23):
Hey, thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Guys, thanks a lot on.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Our newsmaker line. That's John Daniel Davidson making very good points.
So you did in your question. The campaign is based
on fear it that's all they have. That's all they have.
All right, we'll talk more about this coming up on
the Rod and Greg show right here on Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine. Anrs my son turned me
on to this, said, Dad, you got to watch this.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
Who is it?

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Deshambeau? Yeah, yeah, okay, they played they played Trump and
him went out and played together. It's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah, there is a they played from the White Teas.
It's called breaking sixty I think, yeah, breaking fifty four,
Breaking fifty four from the Red Teas Red Teas and
they use on one which shot it was I think
it was a perfive, But anyway, they used Trump shot,
not ricing the shambos on all. They used his drive,
they used his second shot, and they used his putt.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Yeah, he Trump can hit a pretty good ball.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yeah he can't. He don't get weird swing, but he
gets it right back. He groves it right where you
need to. He's got his takeaway. He's an older guy, right,
but he That's why I loved the debate when he
said when when when Biden tried to rip on his
golf game, He's like, you know what, you got to
hit the ball long and you got to be smart. Okay,
this is not something you He just scoffed. He was
offended at him trying to rip on his golf game.

Speaker 8 (19:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Well, in light of that discussion today, of course everybody, lawmakers,
they want to know what happened. But now there's talk about,
well maybe the Secret Service just needs more money. Now,
you know we you know we need to expand we
need more money. Let me weigh in on this up
and then I'll get your reaction to it. I don't
know if they need more money, Greg, I wonder if
they just need a reallocation of their resources. I mean,

(19:56):
think of how why does hunter Biden have Secret servi
Its protection?

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Really, I mean, couldn't you re examine all the allocations?

Speaker 4 (20:06):
Yet?

Speaker 1 (20:06):
I guess the president can decide who gets Secret Service
protection right, But look at all the people who get it,
do they really really need it? Before we spend more
money that we don't have, what do we do with it?

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Well? Call me crazy, but I think the guy that's
had two assassination attempts is probably on the high priority list,
so you should be right.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah, so, did you hear the word? Because he's not president,
he didn't have the same security detail as Biden and
Harris have, so he's kind of a little bit lower level.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah. So, and it was described that they would have
had a secure perimeter from the beginning, not a secret
service advance by hole on a golf course to look ahead,
but they would have secured the entire course in its perimeter,
and they would have come across this guy had he
been the serving president. I think in the times that
we're in, given what's happened, obviously, but even before this,

(20:58):
I mean, there is always a belief that with the
rhetoric and the things that they were saying about him,
something like this felt like it was inevitable. We didn't
want to believe it, We certainly didn't wish it, but
we worried about it. It happened, and it really I
think there's continuing investigation that shows how poorly the Secret
Service has been run as of late, and then you

(21:19):
have this happening. Now it's there's such a failure, just
such a fundamental failure on different fronts. Now, I love
the guys that went ahead on the next hole and
we're able to spot this guy. I mean, they were
doing their job and doing the best job they could.
But you know, as a former you know, public servant
and having been in the legislature where we have the
power of the purse for the state of Utah and
we put that budget together, it's hard for me when

(21:41):
you see a failure of a division or an agency
to say, oh, I know, give you more money, because
that becomes a circular argument. How you doing terrible? Why
don't have enough money? Here's a new appropriation. How you
doing now terrible? Why not enough money? That is so
much of what you see in government, And so I'm
I'm of the other mindset. So I actually don't disagree

(22:02):
with you on allocation and an efficiency and what you're
prioritizing those dollars for. But there is some serious reforms
that have to happen in the Secret Service. We're seeing
the worst outcomes possible for an agency that it has
a zero tolerance for any of this, they're supposed to
prevent it.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Well, as I was listening to this today, they're into
some things. Now, Greg, what secretcy of what's doing into
this this project or so? I mean they've got a
project on finances set up in Rome. Hey, you know what,
you know, I'd go to Rome any day. I love Rome.
But I mean, you know, why did they have that?

(22:39):
And you know this idea, well, would just spend more
and more money it On average, on average, it takes
an individual about a year to be fully trained to
be a Secret Service agent.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
So we're on a lag.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
We're on a lag, and they've got eight thousand agents.
Now how many more do they need? You know, we
want to protect public officials. I get that right, but
you know, before we dive into all of this, let's
just give them money and give them a blank check.
Let's make sure the allocations are where they should be.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
The biggest red flag for me, Rod was how the
director of the Secret Service did not know that she
was resigning the day that happened in Butler County, Pennsylvania.
That she didn't understand that the buck stopped with her
and that for whatever reason and for whatever justification, she
was the leader and she was responsible and she failed

(23:30):
her as the Secret Service fail and that's an immediate
If you're a leader, you know that that is on
your shoulders. And however it happened, and she got up
in Congress and that Congressional committee almost indignant that they
would even question after such a apocalyptic outcome and not
well worse if he had been actually hit, but he

(23:51):
was hit, he wasn't killed. But the fact that she
it didn't even dawn on her when there's when that
that is like a real form a show of leadership,
when you understand the mantal responsibility you have and you
know when you have failed, and you submit that letter
of resignation without being asked, and if the president doesn't
want to accept it, that would be a different conversation.

(24:12):
But you don't even it. It should have just been an.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Immediate Yeah, automatic, I'm not sure in your role as
Speaker of the House, did you ever have to deal
with the Secret Service And what was that experience?

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Like we we did, he was here, we did so, yes,
so he was elected and so when Air Force one
landed here. It was a very the whole route from
the the you know, the UH airport airport and it's
not the international airport, it's the National Garbland. But they
but the whole the whole route is secured and UH

(24:44):
and you and you it. So, yeah, there's a lot.
They come in early. They come in more than ten
days early to understand where everything's at. They're they're looking
at everything. There is an incredible amount of preparation that
comes for with a presidential visit and uh and you
saw the seriousness of it when he came here in
December of seventeenth, twenty seventeen, and so I've seen that part.

(25:06):
And they're working with the governor's office. They were working
with our office at the time. And yeah, it's very scripted.
It's down to the second. They know where you're supposed
to be, when you're supposed to be there, they know
how long those trips take, the drive takes, they have
it all and they're going through it. That run of
show is clockwork for them. So I don't know how

(25:28):
you get from that what I saw, because it's a
good question. You ask from what I observe versus random
people just crawling up on roofs and you know, look
at the profiles of either one of these drop kicks.
I mean they're literal drop kicks. These are not like
some trained assassin from I Ran, I don't think. I mean,
these guys are look like they're lunatics.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
And how do you get a gun to begin with?
It's convicted felon? How did that happen?

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah, and he's from Hawaii, I mean a nice place
to visit. But you know, they're all democrats.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
There, That's true, they are all they are all democrats
are We've got a lot more to get to here.
On the Roden Greg Show in Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine, cannais all right, let's go to the phones.
We've got Tony in Salt Lake City, who wants to
talk about the events that took place yesterday down in Florida. Tony,
how are you welcome to the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 9 (26:14):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (26:14):
Thanks for having me. I'm going pretty good. Hey, I've
got a question. This guy was charged with two weapon charges. Yes,
why wasn't he charged with premeditated attempted murder or treason?

Speaker 1 (26:30):
From what I understand?

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Tony?

Speaker 4 (26:32):
Yeah, yeah, he was the president he's still a president.
What's president always a president? Just like marine?

Speaker 7 (26:40):
What's marine always marine?

Speaker 4 (26:41):
Yeah? That is an act against the office, period and
that calls for treason.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
The story that I heard today, Tony, and I don't
have all the details on this, The story that I
heard today was they wanted to get some charges placed
against him immediately, and more are coming because the current
charges against him are pretty light from landernerstand and he
could be in fact be released, and they're working overtime
now to make the charges more serious. That he's not

(27:09):
going anywhere. That's the story that I heard.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Tell you, it has to be that, Tony, because you're
absolutely right that those can't be the standalone charges after
what happened yesterday that that you know, you can't hold
someone without charging them in definitely, So maybe that's just
to get him help securely till they get to this.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Does that make sense, Tony?

Speaker 10 (27:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (27:28):
And I would actually like to see the trees in
charge put against him.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
You make a good point there.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
I mean Trump is very good president, and I respect
the man. He's not a typical politician. He's a business
man and he ran the country like a business instead
of a politician.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah, he sure did, Tony. I think that's why a
lot of us hope he's back in there, because we
need somebody to run this country. If you think about it,
Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, do they have experience of running anything?

Speaker 2 (27:56):
No, No, they're just they're just yeah, there's just they've
been professional politicians from day one.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
A good friend, Steve Moore, remember we were talking. It
was Steve about this a couple of weeks ago, did
a study and looked at all the cabinet members and
hardly any of them have any business experience, yet they're
running maybe the biggest company in the world called the
United States of America.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yeah, you know, I I had I have good experience
talking just off hand. Trump really does surround himself with,
you know, business people, And when he had some appointments
to make, there were some things that the State Department said, no,
mister President, you can't do it. He put people that
were good at business in charge of certain things that
they were actually able to do that the swamp and

(28:41):
the State Department said, now, you can't, that's not possible,
and no it was. It was possible, and they did
do it. So those are there's a lot of stories
like that that even the public has never heard that.
So I do know that his perspective, his ability to
get things done Washington, it's just anethema to them in Washington.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Hey, here's some breaking news just coming across tonight. Record
from the Federal Elections Commission show that the leadership of
CBS News, that that's the network that will host the
vice presidential debate, is rife with very large Democratic donors.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
You're I'm here's my shockface. I'm not shocked. I'm sad.
I mean it's just more of the same. I mean
more of the same. I think debates are done. I
don't think we'll ever have them anymore. I think that
I think ABC.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
You don't want to say Timmy go against JD.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
I would like it, but you know it's gonna be.
It's gonna it's. It's the same thing with CBS. I mean,
they're they're not going to be I mean, they're not
even going to try to attempt to present themselves in
a non partisan world.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Well, they don't have to because ABC got away with it,
so why shouldn't they.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah, I hope there's a I hope there's a lingering
reputation ABC suffers from for that.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
All right, why didn't Kamala get a bump after the debate.
We'll talk about that and get to some of your
phone calls about what happened in Florida yesterday coming up
an hour number two. Apparently secure already Saturday night when
the former president was here was pretty darn tight. Yeah,
there was.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
You know, they had to walk a fine line because
it was a fundraiser, but they couldn't push it out
too broadly for security reasons, and so it was one
of those things that if you want to go and
you sign up, could get told where. But it added
an extra layer to what was other. I mean, it
was a successful event, but it was the security made
it a little tougher than you would imagine past presidential

(30:28):
cycles where they would tell you.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
A little bit later on in the show, We're honest
people if they think the former president should continue doing
outdoor debates or outdoor route rallies.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, yeah, I know he would want to, honestly, when
you see the way he's being the way he's being described,
and how much hate and how much fear they are generating,
and that is their only campaign, that's the only arrow
in their quiver is fear. Well to fear and hate.
Those are two. They don't want you to vote for her,
They just need you to vote against Trump if that
is their only play in this election. How much you

(31:00):
want to expose Donald J. Trump too?

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yeah, that's true, good point, all right. The debate would
last Tuesday, and everybody was talking about that. Kamala did
a great job.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
And you know she won the debate, even you and
I said, you know, I thought I thought she she
she did well, comported herself. Well, she didn't have the
high bar, but she did it.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
But everybody thought coming out of that debate she'd get
a nice little bump yes in the polls. I've been
waiting and watching waiting. Ain't happened yet, and I like
to say, so, why not joining us on our newsmaker line.
It's got Pinskart. Scott is an author, public relations and
crisis communications expert. Scott, how are you welcome to the
Rod and Greg Show? Thanks for joining us, Scott, Rod.

Speaker 11 (31:40):
And Greg doing wonderful and delighted to be back with
you guys.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Scott, let me ask you, where's the bump? We're waiting
for the bump?

Speaker 11 (31:48):
Well, if anything, we got an inverted bump. It's really
fascinating to watch because the expectation everyone had it was
almost like like a debutante coming for her ball the
grand unveiling of Kamala Harris before the whole nation. And
they were so sure that everyone would be riveted, they'd
be paying attention, they'd be fascinated by it. If she

(32:10):
performed well, then boom down goes to Trump train and
Kamala could just fly right into the White House. But
what the first part of the equation worked out the
way they wanted to. Trump did not have a good night.
He appeared disoriented, He rambled, He wore the Joe Biden hat. Unfortunately,
if you're a pro Trump, well, Kamala seemed more composed. Granted,

(32:32):
her mannerisms did reek like someone who practices mirror. I
think they're probably far more off putting than she gives
people credit for perceiving them. I think Kamala greatly overestimates
her ability to baffle people with her word ballads, and

(32:53):
it's probably going to be her undoing her. She's convinced
that she can outthink anyone. If you for enough time
with the microphone, she'll talk you into anything, but it's
not that the American people weren't reacting that way. And
for Donald Trump, use a known entity, you know, the
amount of elasticity he had in his poll numbers relatively limited,

(33:14):
because people, whether you like Trump or you don't like him,
if you had a great night or an off night,
you kind of know what you're gonna get. Whereas for
Kamala Harris, the expectation was that if she did really well,
she'd get a big pump in the polls. And now
the mainstream media is scratching their heads. They're baffled and bewildered.
Why why didn't it happen? Why did she not get
a bump? If anything, it looks like the deciders were

(33:36):
breaking for Trump.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
That is so fascinating because, as you say, the first part,
it seemed like she got She didn't have a high bar,
but it seems that she did what she needed to
do to be perceived as a more serious candidate in
this race. The betting lines, the polymarket had him up
by six maybe nationally that went that went even pretty
quick and even went one percent her way last week,

(33:58):
and then even the pall the betting lines in Pennsylvania
and Nevada uh stayed on Trump's side, but they turned.
They were within a point of each other, which was
which was a shift. But I've been waiting. Nate Silver
has been saying, Oh, this is going to be You're
going to see in a week's time, you're going to
see this. This race is going to have changed so much.
He kept talking that way. But to your point, I

(34:19):
haven't seen it. What have we seen by way of
these poles. I don't know if it's Rasmussen or what
you're looking at it. What have we seen as as
you've had enough time for the polsters to really get
into the field and with you know, with a with
a broader respondent response from people, you know they're interviewing
what what is happening? Is it just staying the same.
Is everyone pretty much where they were before it started?

Speaker 11 (34:42):
No, we're in new territory. And there are really two
ways of the pr world where you can look at
look at opinion polls. Option number one is the Frank
Lunch version, you know, where you have a focus group,
you give people a little button and they push the
butt if they like it, they hit the other one
if they don't like it, and then even measure to say, okay,
well who won the debate, And with all due respect

(35:03):
to my colleagues, that's a really, really bad way to
critique anything, because no one makes decisions that way. You know,
we're not evaluating a prize side with the ten point
must system. You know what matters more isn't the number
of individual moments, but the walking away moment, that aha
moment that when it marinates in your head you think

(35:24):
about it a week later, that's what you remember. And
what Trump is so good at and what a lot
of people in pr don't really pick up on because
we're kind of more wired like lawyers are really focused
on each individual word. What Trump is really good at
is modive communication. You might not agree with him, you
might not even like him, but you know that he
passionately believes what he's telling you, and even if it

(35:47):
might not be dramatically correct or even pannitatively correct, and
Trump's heart, He's telling you what he truly believes, and
there's an honesty there. For Kamala Harris, you have the
polar opposite of that. Plus you had the pro wrestling
gimmick where you have two guys getting up with one
guy and somehow the referee missed the whole thing. Pro wrestling,

(36:09):
they do that to make you hate one of the people.
It's so unfair. It drives people bad. You know, referee
turn around, don't you see him whacking in the head
with a chair. But here in the debate, you know,
the one who the Democrats thought would be the good guy,
Kamala Harri. She was the one that was getting hated
by corrupt referees. And the way the American people looked
at it was that well, they were clearly helping her.

(36:34):
I guess she needed the help. And that is not
a statement of strength, that's a statement of weakness.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Scott. She did the debate last Tuesday. She did an
interview with a Philadelphia station on Friday, basically saying the
exact same words when asked about the economy, I mean,
it's word for word almost With that answer, she gave
him the first question during the debate. Does the campaign
try and change her a little bit and refine that

(37:00):
a little bit? Are they okay? And is that their strategy?

Speaker 11 (37:05):
That's that's a great question, And the honest answer is
that I don't know well enough what they're trying to do. Traditionally,
what you try to do is you try to coach
the candidate. You do media training with them, and we
have a great answer you wanted to be repeated because
you don't need to reinvent the wheel if you already
got it down. Pat the world's a pretty big place,
and there's a lot of other things you could be
working on. For giving an obviously incorrect answer and doing

(37:29):
it back to back, I got to think that any
competent campaign would have talked to her memo, tried to
coach her up. But you know, not everyone is coachable.
If you, in your heart of hearts belief that you
already have it all figured it out and you're not
smart enough to know what you're dumb at, it's very
difficult to coach you.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
So I have a cousin that lives in Pittsburgh and
he has a works at a business that sees people
of all stripes that come through this business, and he
likes to he gets to know the customer base and
it could be soccer mom's, could be attorneys, doctors, it
could be carpenters, long haul truckers, you name it. When
he asks about the debate, the answer back for was really.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
They don't.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Kamala Harris doesn't say anything, and Trump meanders and says,
just keeps talking, and they were just they just nobody
could get past thirty minutes of it. Isn't it the
case that if ninety six plus I've seen stats that
ninety six plus percent know already who they're going to
vote for in this race, your undecided pool is three
percent or maybe a little more than three percent. You
could watch that debate and you could say that wasn't

(38:32):
Trump's best shot. I don't know that he won that debate,
but you're never That doesn't mean that you're going to
vote for Kamala Harris for president, could you? Is it
possible to lose the debate in the minds of people
or not do well and still never want to vote
for Kamala Harris?

Speaker 11 (38:46):
Oh yeah. I Mean there's a lot of different ways
people can can look at the TV program. I mean,
you can look at it like it's a presidential debate
and the fate of the names that the nation depends
upon it and you got to take it very seriously.
Or you can view it like entertainment. You know, you
have your team, maybe you're wearing the Republican shirt. Maybe
you're weight in the Democrats flag, but you're cheering for
your candidate and if they win, if they lose, O,

(39:09):
well you've still locked into your boat. You're still going
to back though you're just you know, supporting them, almost
like you're tailgating before a big gate.

Speaker 7 (39:17):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Scott. Scott has always great conversation. Though we'll be talking
more down the road as we get closer to election. Dave,
Thanks Scott, my pleasure, gentlemen.

Speaker 11 (39:26):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Thanks all all, all right. That is Scott Pinsker here
on the Rod and Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine k nrs.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
When you see it a second time, when you see
something like this happen and you realize they aren't good
enough to protect him, we are in the fluke stage
or providence, you name it in terms of why he's
still alive. Are we gonna get? I mean, crazy is
doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.
I am truly worried, and I wasn't this way. But

(39:56):
when you twice and I look at this guy that
I'm looking at right now on my iPad here, I'm
just telling you I don't think. I think the precautions
have to They got to pull it in a little bit. Well,
i'd love to know our colors said.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Well, you know what though, Greg, and I think you
mentioned this last week. He has such a close relationship
with his supporters. Yes, even though the crowds are large,
ten fifteen, twenty thousand, at times, I think he feels
an obligation to them that he wants to go before them.
He wants to talk to them. He wants them to

(40:32):
see him and know that he's real. And I think
I think it's going to be I suspect there will
be tighter security, but I don't think he gives up
on him.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
No, I think he'll still do it. I'm glad you
brought that up because I mean, he took so much
grief last week because they laughed and said, you know,
we just ripped on the size of his campaign or
his rallies. He just couldn't he couldn't help it. But
I think what it is is, I think he was
defensive of those who had ten for the reasons you said.
For eight years now, even when he was president, he
was doing these rallies. Having this ongoing conversation and it's

(41:02):
really conversational because he talks. He doesn't you know, he
just does it for so long. It's not just it's
not a it's it's just not a photo op for him.
And so I think he felt very defensive of him.
And think about this, How could you not if when
the bullets were flying, nobody moved. Yeah, I mean that
is a crowd that's watching and is worried and is
concerned for the president. And that's why he stuck his

(41:24):
head up when he probably shouldn't have either, to tell
the people in order to fight fight. Yes, that's a
relationship there, and I think you're right. I think it's
much much deeper. I think it wasn't born out of
hubris that he defended those rallies. It's I think he's
had an ongoing and growing relationship with the American people
through those rallies.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Yeah, all right, let's go to the phone. See what
you think. Eight eight eight five seven o eight zero
one zero eight eight eight five seven o eight zero
one zero on your cell phone, dial pound two fifty
and say, hey, Rod, if you were advising Donald Trump
right now, would you tell Donald Trump, mister president, Yeah,
mister former president soon to be mister president. You have
to keep up the rallies. The American people want to

(42:01):
see and feel a part of this movement that you
created back in twenty fifteen.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Do you go indoors? Maybe do it indoors?

Speaker 1 (42:08):
I don't like that.

Speaker 10 (42:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
I'd like to know what because we need them. Okay,
we cannot just we can't be too cavalier here, Okay,
I mean we need this guy. Yeah, and there's these
these there's too many of these nut jobs running around,
and that sounds like, don't do I don't like doing
things out of fear. But I think we got to
be pragmatic and start looking at the landscape out here.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
But you were saying earlier, Greg, this campaign is based
on fear. That's right, based on fear. You hate Donald Trump.
That's why you need to vote for Kamala Harris. If
he gives up on these isn't he giving in a
little bit of that fare?

Speaker 2 (42:41):
So yes, that's what the way you framed that, That's
what it is. But I'm saying, do you have to
strategically have your campaign events different than you've had him
in the past because you can't have or does he
and This wasn't a campaign rally where this guy was
hanging out just trying to golf on his own time.
But does he have to get a lot? Does he

(43:02):
have to pull it in so that he can actually
live and be with us for that election. I'm I'm
starting to go it's so crazy out there. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
For his safety, I say yes, but I just don't
know if he'll do it. And I hope in a way,
you know, we'll.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
See you high enough private security over to don't be
surprised if he does service can't apparently.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Do don't be surprised. All right, let's go to those
phones eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero
on your cell phone, doal pound two fifty and say, hey, Rod,
we begin in Sandy with Ivan tonight here on the
Rod and Greg Show. Ivan, how are you thanks for
joining us?

Speaker 4 (43:35):
Good?

Speaker 9 (43:36):
How are you guys?

Speaker 1 (43:36):
We're doing well? Thank you, thank you, thank you well.

Speaker 12 (43:41):
I want to weigh in on this because when we
had all the last presidential debates here at the University
of Utah with Kamla and parents, I lived on ninety
nine West at the time and it's that high know,
high end high rise in Downtownsall Lake and Kamela. Kamela

(44:05):
stayed on the twenty eighth floor at gals Miller condo.
He unded up there. She has the whole floor up there.
Ahead she was sold that or not, but she stayed there.
And even though we had to take our down our
dogs around the elevator to do their thing, and my
wife was the security services that were protecting Kamela even

(44:27):
nicknamed my wife Chewala Lady because she was going up
and now with the two olbums on the elevator and
every time it was just insane. For those two or
three days that she was here. You know, the pre
security during the time she was here, nobody could get
on the elevator at the same time, they were monitoring
every floor. I've never seen security like that in my life.

(44:48):
And she was not even a previous vice president or
anything like that. She was just a congresswoman. But the
level of security was just insane. And for them to
claim now that Trump is an ex president that they
don't need to give him the same type of security,
but he's a candidate, you know, even more than she
was when she ran for vice president. So it's an

(45:10):
excusable Yeah, a.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Really good insight. That is a really good experience. Thank
you Ivan for sharing that. I mean, that's that's right.
That's that's a front row seat to the level of
security versus you know what we're seeing or hearing described
to us. Now, that's great, lady, that's something like that. Yeah,
let's go to Charlie and orum. Charlie, welcome to the
Roden greg Show. Thank you for calling. What do you
think about this security and what should Trump and his

(45:35):
people be doing right now?

Speaker 11 (45:38):
Absolutely?

Speaker 10 (45:39):
Guys, Hi, uh, you know, Trump is inherently a deal guy, right,
so He's going to look for any advantage he can
possibly he can possibly get to make the best deal,
which would be him as the president.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
Right.

Speaker 10 (45:53):
So I think it's in his DNA to stay in
touch with his constituents, to stay in touch with his people,
and uh and and really put the fear of God
in the opposition, because you know, the the energy that
comes out of all these all these events that he
does is phenomenal, and you just want that kind of

(46:14):
an energy going into an election, especially when the opposition's
energy is you know, flat at best.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would agree with that, Jolie. I
I think he's standing up saying you can't touch me, folks,
you can't take I mean they have tried every game
they did. He did, he put on true social and too.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Someone said, I thought it was him, but then someone
says he might have liked it, but you know.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
He stands up to him.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
He said.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
You know, they've tried everything they can do to take
this guy down, including firing one bullet at him for sure,
and maybe others headed his way, and he's not backing down.
I don't think he will.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
That's got a quick I mean, I'm I just this
guy should not have been able to get as far
as he and I look at this and say something
has to get better. You got to do something because
we cannot have a third right, I mean right, come on,
how much are we going to attempt fate?

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Yeah? All right, we've got more of your phone calls.
A lot of people line up and want to weigh
in on this. We'll get your news update and get
back to your calls eight eight eight five seven O
eight zero one zero or on your cell phone dial
pound two fifty and say hey, Rod, do you realize
one and several weeks now it'll be dark by the
time we're talking to people right now.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
I hate that.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
Thank you, I like it.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
I like the light. I like it lighter later I
do too.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
All right, if you're just joining us, we're talking about
the assassination attempt number two on Donald Trump yesterday.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
We need to hear from our listeners. They'll have all
the answers. They have such great experiences. We've had some
great callers.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
We're asking you right now, should Donald Trump go out
and hold more rally? I think he should, yep, And
your ser.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Security is one and these guys look like I just
don't know how they're getting this. So I'm a little worried,
but I know that Ken and mill Creek's going to
sort this all out for me. Ken, Welcome to the show, sir,
Thank you for calling.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
What say you?

Speaker 7 (48:09):
I love you guys number one, number two think Star Wars.

Speaker 11 (48:13):
If you strike me down, I will become more powerful
than you can possibly imagine.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Obi Wan yep, Obi wan Kenobi, I'll go with that.
I mean I need something. I'm can Will you talk
him out of the tree. I mean, he's such a
nervous nelly right now, Ken, I can't stand before we
got this guy's got to make it to the end, right, Ken,
obi wan, he's just gonna say this is not the

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president you're looking for, and they're gonna look the other way, right, They're.

Speaker 7 (48:41):
Gonna there will be there will be more attempts at
his life.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Sorry, that's that's actually the feeling I have is that
there's more of these wing nuts.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
How well, scare me? All right, Ken, thank you. Let's
go to Stephen Layton tonight here on the Roden Greg Joe, Hi, Steve,
how are you.

Speaker 4 (48:59):
Hey? I'm doing fine. Hey.

Speaker 13 (49:00):
I remember back when George Bush number one came in
to Saltwa that was in the air Guard. Back then,
they had snipers on the top of every hair and
they had snipers on top of every roof until he
left the base.

Speaker 7 (49:14):
Wow.

Speaker 13 (49:15):
So I don't know why they can't put snipers everywhere
out here.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
That's a really good point.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
So when was this, Steve, when was this? Do you remember?

Speaker 4 (49:25):
Uh think it was ninety.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Ninety Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, Steve,
thank you.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Yeah. The security. I remember even when George W. Bush
came to Utah during the you know, two thousands, I
was in the legislature and made I was trying to
get to the cow, made a wrong turn, actually drove
into the kind of the protected route, and I saw
the highway patrol guys I had recognized from the cab
running towards me, like you can't but he's actually a lawmaker.
Don't arrest him. And so I had to get out

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of there. But it was a high like it wasn't
anything to mess. He wasn't even close to that right.
I was like, he was on it and I did it.
I just and made the wrong turn and it was
like a big, big drama. Let's go to Michael and provo. Michael,
welcome to the program. Thank you for calling. What do
you think about all this? The security? Should he should
we change anything? Is fine?

Speaker 8 (50:13):
I think he should continue doing any of the rallies. Yeah, fine,
here's the deal. He has got to stop the stupidity.
He's got to stop saying stupid, stupid stuff if he
wants to get elected.

Speaker 14 (50:25):
I can't stand.

Speaker 8 (50:26):
Kamala Harris the hot Why vote for somebody who talks
about people eating animals as if that's relevant to a
presidential debate?

Speaker 4 (50:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (50:35):
I think, well what difference?

Speaker 4 (50:37):
Though?

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Does that mean Michael, that that's that's kind of who
Donald Trump is. Why would you want to change It's
a bit flippant, that is true.

Speaker 8 (50:44):
Well, okay, okay, I want to change it so we
can get elected, because when he says stupid stuff like that,
he's just playing to his base. Who's going to vote
for him anyway? Well?

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Maybe does he's by s he's more worried about if.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
We say he's he's more worried about the rhetoric than
than the actual security. But he wants he doesn't want commonly,
he wants these rallies to continue, and that's why we
asked for callers to call.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Mike is on I fifteen tonight listening to Rodd and Greg.
Is he head home? Mike, thanks for joining us tonight.
What are your thoughts on this?

Speaker 15 (51:23):
Hey, thanks for having me on really quick. I just
wanted to point out how this relates to and it's
similar to terror. Right, we have a terror plot that happens.
They really try and disrupt your daily life. They want
you afraid to go out. I think that's what they're
they're playing on here as well. They want to make
people afraid to go to rallies and do those types
of things. And this is the time here. One final

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thing is could you imagine if this happened on the
Democratic side, all this would do is give them another
reason to let them go into Heidi right, go back
to the basement. You never hear from them, so they
would play this the completely the opposite way.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Really good point there, Walter, And look I remember too,
and after nine to eleven, we didn't want to change
our routines. We didn't want them to win by doing that.
And I get it, and actually thank you. The point
of the of the what the Democrats would do with
a similar circumstance, especially demonize everyone right of center for
all of it. It would be all of our faults.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Well, Michael made a very good point. They're trying to
create fear, yep. And with this they're trying to create
more fear that people won't want to go see Donald Trump.
I think he feels a desire he has to do
this because of a relationship that I have never seen
with any other politician that Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Has with his people. Let's go, let's keep going with
these calls. I love them. Walter from Salt Lake, thank
you for calling in, sir. What do you say about
all this? The security, the rallies. I'm worried. I'm worried.

Speaker 16 (52:45):
What do we do?

Speaker 14 (52:48):
I think this is exactly especially the propagandic coming out
of Washington, d C. Is exactly like the propagandic coming
out of Neil Mahr and Venezuela when they had their election.
They said the same exact thing about the imprisonments of
their opposition and the accidental assassination of their opposition candidates.

(53:14):
It's exactly the same as those fascist governments. So what
do we do, Well, well, we have to go back
to the preamble of the Constitution. When the government is
out of control, it has to be removed.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
I'd say that's a vote for Trump right there. Okay,
how about you, Walter, I got it. I'm picking up
what you're putting down.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
We got it, all right. Let's go to Michael, who's
in Highland tonight here on the rodden Gregg show him.

Speaker 9 (53:41):
Michael, I'm doing okay. I just want to make one
comment and then I'll listen for your response. Okay, how
did how did the what B shooter know President Trump's
schedule and be there at be near Trump at that time?

Speaker 15 (53:58):
How would you know that?

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Yeah, Michael, thank you. That's what we're all trying to
figure out, because it was not on the schedule. You know,
he was here Saturday night, told Lenn Becky was going
back tomorrow alago. Flew back tomorrow a lago Saturday night,
got in, got some rest, wanted to take it a
day break, just kind of laid back for one day
because he's on the campaign trail six if not seven
days a week. Didn't tell anybody was going golfing until

(54:22):
a little bit later, and said I think I'll go
play golf in my golf course. So how did this
guy know? Yeah, you know that so a key question.
I didn't know that detail. I was in commute, I
was traveling, I had airlines sending me to cities I
didn't choose to go to and.

Speaker 7 (54:38):
Live in.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
But so I missed that detail. But when I came
into the station here that the twelve hours is what
I didn't know. So I thought he might have been
there not as long, and that even seemed more suspect
to me. Twelve hours. Maybe you just wait, I mean,
you're waiting twelve hours for someone to show up. I
don't know. I think it's I don't believe in coincidences,
so I think they're something up. He was either watching

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this on some kind of regular basis to understand a pattern,
or it's not. He's not done. Someone suggested that it's
so elaborate with the ceramic plates so that he can't
be hit, and the GoPro and all the things he
set up that in his car position in a way
to escape quickly, that this was a pretty well thought
out and maybe it was more than one person thinking

(55:24):
of it, but but it is. It does raise those questions,
and you know, I hope there's answers. I don't think
that the government has any interest in embarrassing themselves.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
We might not know why he said he was there
for twelve hours, but was he there the entire time
for twelve hours? I mean, could he have set up
gone to a different location, maybe looking for the limos
to pull out of mar A Lago, knowing that Trump
liked to golf on his golf course, went back to
his little high do you know. I didn't hear the
news conference today, so I don't know if they alluded
to that, but it'd be interesting to see was he

(55:54):
there the entire twelve hours or did he come and
go set up shop and just waited. Don't know.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
It's we can't. So we didn't really get any answers
out of Butler. We'd had some. They're working on it,
but we're not really hearing it. We have to understand.
What's more, what's going on here?

Speaker 1 (56:08):
We sure do. All right, more of your calls coming up.
Rod and Greg with you here on Utah's Talk Radio
one O five to nine knrs. We're talking about Donald Trump,
the assassination attempt on his life, the second one taking
place off a golf course in Florida yesterday, and the
question should be with questions now about security. Should he
be out on the campaign trail again, involved in the

(56:29):
rallies that he certainly enjoys. What would you recommend? We
go to I fifteen and talk with Wayne tonight here
on the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 7 (56:35):
High Wayne, Hey, gentlemen, how's it going doing well?

Speaker 1 (56:39):
Thank you?

Speaker 8 (56:42):
So.

Speaker 17 (56:42):
My comic question or concern is, you know, the left
us to take away all these people's guns that enjoy
the Second Amendment their own guns responsibly. But when we
look at it, how many of these people are actually
using their guns for bad On the other side, taking

(57:03):
pop shots at Donald Trump that are doing school shooting
and stuff like that. What are the manifestos and stuff
like that. I think the gun owners, the Second Amendment people,
the responsible people, are doing this stuff. So what is
the left actually pushing m.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
I think you're right too. It's it's crickets out there.
Whenever you see the left on the side where it
was the Scalise, the congressman that was shot by that
Bernie Sanders leftist supporter, I mean, they they are so
deranged and yet they get no, they don't get any
of this attachment. There's no you know, domestic terrorism watch
list for these lefties that are doing these things. Yeah,

(57:42):
good point, waye.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
I like when we're called gentlemen. Yeah, well freaking nines
as gentlemen today. I was all right, back to the phones.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Let's go back to the phones. Let's talk to Doug
in Sandy. Doug, welcome to the program. Thank you for calling.
What say you?

Speaker 9 (57:57):
Oh? I just uh.

Speaker 18 (57:58):
I think the unless Donald has had to chat with
the big guy up above or or I don't know,
if he maybe knows something we don't know, but he's
pretty cavalier about what he does, and which is cool.
But I think Malania needs to put her foot down
and say we're we've got a failed secret service. We're

(58:19):
paying for it.

Speaker 7 (58:20):
We're gonna cover you.

Speaker 4 (58:21):
They have the money.

Speaker 18 (58:22):
Yes, let's get let's get our own security in. Let's
get us armed to the teeth and nobody's nobody's touching
you because we think of service is just not They're done.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
That is That is an answer I can live with
because that is that's that's threading the needle. That's not
hiding or not doing the rallies, and that's getting geared
up and ready to go and keeping yourself safe. Go
get your own security at this point, Go get a
bunch of those what see those special forces guys, they've
got to you gotta go get a bunch of people
that know how to do this, because I I don't

(58:53):
think you can pin your hopes. That's my worry is
that this secret service and asking Biden to put more
resources here. I'm just I yeah, I think I think
Doug just nailed it. That's what has.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
She should just go to him.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
She'll do it for Darren, she'll do it for the kid,
but she doesn't want her kids, you know, deranged over
this and upset she's Yeah, sometimes I think she's you.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Know, she's tougher than most people.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Yeah, I think she's tougher with Donald than she doesn't
want him upset about this, No, she doesn't. Let's go
to Draper here what Rod has to say tonight here
on the Rod and Greg Show. Hi, Rod, how are you?

Speaker 7 (59:29):
Just a quick question? What happens if the assassin would
have been successful? Who takes over the campaign?

Speaker 1 (59:40):
You know what, Rod? I don't want to even think
about that, but I would go back to the party.

Speaker 18 (59:45):
Was Kadie Vance move up to president?

Speaker 4 (59:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (59:49):
What happens?

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Yeah? Good, good point. I don't know what. Let's not
let's not even think about that.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
But what you kind of have to Yeah, I don't
know that I have. I'm sure there has to be
some kind of uh procedure mechanism it would have Your
running mate would probably be the one that you would
because he's on the ticket. That's what I would think,
but uh, it certainly would put in it. I think
it goes to the underlying question of what what should
we be doing about rallies and his just his availability publicly,

(01:00:16):
even if it's on his own course, and and and
the relationship with security, knowing what's going on right here
and knowing how high the stakes are and how this
swamp does not want him ever to come back? What
does that mean? And how do we how does he?
How's he adequately protected for scenarios?

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
Just like that?

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
You haven't been to a Trump rally?

Speaker 8 (01:00:34):
Have you?

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
I was, I was at I was at No, I
was at one cycle, not like No, not in this life.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
I wonder how security is to get into a Trump rally.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Yeah, I've only listened to Sean Hannity say it's the
most he's ever seen before. But I've not. I've not heard.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
I just wondered a whole lot about it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
But no, this election cycle, I've not. I've been to.
I've been in one in sixteen, and I was in
one in uh in twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
But not Yeah, not modern. Maybe maybe we've got some
listeners who've been to one of the rallies. What we're
security like?

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
There?

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
All right, more of your calls and comments coming up
here on the Rodd and Greg Show. Our number three
is on its way. We're also talking about a post
modern presidency. The nation's chief executive. Does he pay attention
to the American people, or does he or she pay
attention to the administrative states. We'll talk about that, but
we want to get more of your calls in. If

(01:01:25):
you've been to a rally, what are the security measures like?
Give us called more coming up our number three on
this Monday evening following at another eventful weekend second attempt
on Donald Trump's life. We're talking about before we get
back that I shouldn't do this story right it write

(01:01:48):
at dinner time? Should I wait? Should I wait on
this story? I don't know when.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
I don't know when this story is a good time
to pray us out. This is a gross story, it's
but it's a funny Dame Mark says, do it all right, Mark,
I do it. You talked about this before the show started.
I didn't know this happened, but.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
I have never heard this a story like that. Matt
Lafleur very successful coach for the Green for the Green
Bay Packers, right, and he'd seen a lot of things
in football, but he admitted he was caught off guard
by Malik Willis, who was filling in for uh who
I Love Yeah for the Packers during the game. Quarterback

(01:02:28):
ye an explanation of a third down from the team's
ten sixteen ten win over Indianapolis. Lafleur was curious why
Willis tried to scramble for a first down on third
and ten with five point fifty remaining instead of throwing
the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
The play that was called was a pass. He did
not pass the ball. Malik, why are you running the
ball when the play was clearly to pass the ball?

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Well, answer, Willis revealed his decision was prompted by the
pre snap actions of Senate Josh Myers.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
And what would those pre snap actions be.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Lafloor apparently asked Malik why he didn't throw the ball
on third down, and he told me that before snapping
the ball, Josh threw up on it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
That is disgusting. I'm just I'm surprised he didn't. I
would just call time out even if it wasn't even
if the play started, I would just say nope, huhuh.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Well, apparently the center says he got something caught in
his throat right and he and he was trying to
throat and he threw up on the ball right before
he snapped it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Well, you gotta get hats off that he didn't like
call time out. Of himself because he's choking to death.
He's like, no, I'm going to hike this ball where
I can breathe or not. But then he threw up.
Oh if you throw up on a ball, that has
got to be that should be an automatic timeout. You
shouldn't even have to touch that ball, let alone run
with it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Well I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Yeah, ahead, defense could get that fumble.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
But what you know, what was the score? Score is
only what sixteen to ten? Yeah, so you wouldn't want
to drop fumble the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
That's it. That is a dilemma.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
For the love of the sport. I have never heard
a story like that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
It's not like you're foreign of football. You had a
young man that played Division One for the u of
U and played Furbin Meyer. You know your football, so
you've never heard that before. The Arquette family knows it's football.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
It's football.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
You know football. You never heard yaking on the ball
before the hype.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
I've never heard anyone go boot on the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Think the rules committee needs to review this and have
a have something automatic timeout.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
Shoot your center, puke on the ball, yes, ball before.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
The play not charged to either team if vomit hits
a ball before a snap. It is an automatic timeout
because something else is going on bigger than football in
that moment, at least in my mind, I wouldn't want
to touch that ball.

Speaker 7 (01:04:49):
No way.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
Remember years ago, are you a tennis fan in anyway?

Speaker 16 (01:04:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
I like tennis.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Years ago when Pete Sampras was playing, Yes, in the
Australian Open, and he won that one in the finals, but.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
He kept on puke yep, I remember that. That was
the entire That was some grit boy.

Speaker 7 (01:05:04):
That was that was he was.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
He was just barfing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
It reminds me of how sick Jordan was when they
played the Jazz in the finals. That was no, that
was real.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
That something was that pizza that was fake.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
No, he was sicker than a dog. You could tell
that he was sweating.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
He was just crazy, stomach flu this aura of him.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
He got poisoned by the by the pizza guy. That
the story is that he ordered pizza. They brought up
the hotel. Someone poisoned stomach. You got the stomach flu. Yeah,
somebody spiked his They spiked his pizza. Hey, anything for
the game, Okay, they were that that that that pizza
wanted them to win. They wanted the Jazz to win.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
Those were those great years of Stockton Malone two years
in a row in the championship game against those Bulls.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
If they had been successful, Jazz might have won a
championship that year. Well, they played through it. He played
through the stomach flu I.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Remember him, who was a pipp and dragging him off
the court. Basically, Yeah, that was real. It was real.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
That's been that's been highly documented. Although nobody know the pizza,
the pizza place has never met it, but they've talked
about this a lot. This has been this has been
a point of discussion for a long time. Yeah, and
they all blamed the takeout pizza for that. They ordered
that night to make him that sick. Really Yeah, I

(01:06:22):
didn't know. But on a football now, that's that's next level.
That's disgusting because when you mentioned Pete Sampers, he had
the he had the dignity to go off to the
off court. It wasn't like all in the play. Yeah,
so that that should be an automatic time out. The
rules committeans looked that in the offseason and make an
adjustment here. Yeah, I didn't even know it was possible,
But I don't know that's just I think that's asking

(01:06:45):
too much of a player to have that ball sent
to you after he act on it. I heard that phrase.
You haven't heard that, Bunks, I've heard. Yeah, that's that's
just terrible. I just want you know how many people
were grossing I like topic. Sorry, folks loved the story.

(01:07:06):
He's been giddy to share this with you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
It is a bizarre story.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
It really really is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Can we talk more about one, mister Donald Trump?

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Well, I just do think it is timely.

Speaker 8 (01:07:16):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
I mean, we do remember these assassination attempts. I mean,
you know the Hinckley guy that that went after Reagan,
and we remember these, and it's been sad to see
the one in Butler kind of being glossed over. I
feel I feel like.

Speaker 4 (01:07:32):
Them.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
It has not been given the attention it deserves.

Speaker 5 (01:07:34):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
It didn't come up in the debate. All they asked
is why are you such a horrible person? Mister former
president and Madam Vice president? What do you think about that?
But that I think that topic ought should have come up.
I mean, and now you have a second one. I mean,
what we don't want to become is just numb to this.
We don't want this to become oh, another one. Okay,

(01:07:55):
let's keep going now.

Speaker 7 (01:07:56):
This is this is.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
I mean, the things that are happening right now we
just haven't seen before. It's really serious.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
I have a question, Greg, I wonder what the Secret
Service protection was like when Barack Obama used to golf,
because Obama liked to golf as a as a former president.
You're right, Bill Clinton liked to golf as president. I
wonder what the security for them, How different it is
between what they saw when they were golfing to what
Donald Trump saw yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
That would be interesting because they are they are avid golfers,
both of them, and they've retired at ages where they
can certainly keep playing, and they've been playing, so I
would like to know. That would be interesting to know.
I yeah, I just think that that this is. These
are We can't our brains try to normalize things. We
try to just kind of create an equilibrium where okay,
we're okay, that we're not, we're not out of control,

(01:08:45):
we're going to so you normalize stuff that you don't
have any business normalizing. And this is one of those
moments in history that we cannot normalize. We can't just
say that, Oh, here's another one. No, it's there's a
lot that go there's a lot of repercussions, there's a
lot to say about a lot of different things that
something like that could happen. Yeah again, not even just one.
Once has been terrible. It's absolutely terrible and had been

(01:09:08):
unacceptable until it happened. Now we're in the again realm
within two months, two and a half months. Yeah, it's
just too much.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
I went to the next time he's on the golf course,
when he's lining up a birdie putt, what he'll be
thinking about.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
He's thinking about that score he couldn't record because he
had to get off the course after five holes. He's
probably crushing it. He had a great score. He is
going to make his handicap go down.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
And the next time he goes to putt, you know,
he's thinking. He's looking around and just wondering.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Yeah, hey, can you look two holes ahead. I'm just saying,
you know, why not. I'm sitting on the number five
green here, that guy's on six. Can you go to
like six and seven? Yeah, just jump ahead for yeah,
few stilet's just go a little further.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
It will be interesting to see how the security detail
will change for him between now and election day.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
And there's this weird did you see this in this
press conference from the acting a Secret Service guy that
they're saying that there could be a geopolitical event where
they have or protect ease that they would have to protect.
I don't know what all that's supposed to mean. It
was a very ominous discussion about there's a there's a shift.
It's a what do you call it? Just a shift
in the in the their their focus and not being reactive.

(01:10:14):
There's stuff coming. Yeah, it's really weird.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
I didn't hear that. Didn't hear that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Yeah, a paradigm shift he called it. There's a shift, Yeah,
coming out of Butler. I've ordered a paradigm shift. There
could be another geopolitical event that that may result in
additional responsibilities and protect ease. That sounds terrible, Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah,
it does.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
All right, Morey coming up brought in Greg with you
on this uh Monday right here on Utah's Talk Radio
one O five nine Canners. I'm playing with my headset
over here. Something is working properly, well, I hear you,
So let's see if this is Oh there it is yeah,
I do have technical problems, but we correct them.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
Could they not hear you?

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
I couldn't hear me. Well that's fine. You'd like to
be able to hear yourself in this business. Yeah, okay, okay,
fine with you. I know you're relatively new.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Yeah, I'm a nube, I am. I'm a nube.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
Yeah, you're a nube to the business. All right, Mark
coming up, Rod and Greg here on Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine, Kate and our assy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
Pittsburgh very traumatic. That movie is a documentary. As far
as I'm concerned, it is a cautionary tale. You never
want to be at the at the.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Well, that's what you get for going to back to
back to Pittsburgh, gonna last minute notice.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
All I know is it used to be that I
could get on that plane unless there was weather, I
could get to where I paid to go.

Speaker 8 (01:11:34):
Not now now.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
I even got delayed on the way there for no
reason with perfect weather. Yeah, they had a delay in
Detroit for no reason, well no reason related to weather. Yeah,
but no, it was delayed. And then coming back they
said we're going to send you here and you're going
to stay there. You're gonna live there, for a little
bit until we decide to let you go back to
Salt Lake City. I was trapped like a rat and
I have had very little sleep, but I was not

(01:11:58):
missing this show, boy.

Speaker 4 (01:11:59):
I was.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
You are such a dedicated soldier. Thank you, Thank you
for noticing you really are? You really are? All right,
let's talk about the post modern presidency. Now the chief
executive of this country and we'll elect a new one
here in about fifty days. You know, will that chief
caretaker take care of the administrative state or take care
of the American people? Which will he or she choose? Well,

(01:12:23):
joining us on our Newsmaker line right now to talk
about that is that is g McCarter. That he is
a contributor at American greatness. Always fun to have him
on the show. That is, Thank you for joining us tonight.
Let's talk about this. Is this something new where the
nation's chief executive has to decide between the people and
the administrative state or is this been going on for
a while.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
Well, I think it tends to be relatively new. The
rise of the administrative state is and it goes all
the way back to the progressive era. Woodrow Wilson and
others who believe that there was a technocratic elite that
could solve problems better than the democratic policy of the
United States and the representative government our constitutional republic. So
it's been rising, especially if started to accelerate, especially after

(01:13:06):
the Great Depression under Franklin Roosevelt. Continued to the present
with various interruptions, but given that the administrative state is
in place, it really started to happen around twenty twenty
when you saw the virtual campaigning and candidacy of Joe Biden,
which was largely insulated from the public and was basically,

(01:13:26):
to all intents and purposes, the election of a caretaker
that would oversee the administrative state and get rid of
Donald Trump, who had hoped to be much more of
an active chief executive as America had grown accustomed to.
Now with the assent of Kamala Harris, what you're looking
at is someone who basically is running ads to introduce
herself to the very country that she hopes to serve

(01:13:48):
as the chief executive officer. So that indicates that what
the Democrats are trying to do is just stop the
active chief executive model of Donald Trump and replace it
with the Kamala Harris who has put their largely by
a party as opposed to a primary process the party bosses,
I mean, rather than primary process, and that she will

(01:14:09):
then basically be a figurehead for a government that hopes
to rule through the administrative state rather than the consent
of the governments expressed by the representatives in Congress.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
I love this, this this column. I love or I
love this this piece and how you're observing it. So
in twenty as you say, we saw evidence of it,
we saw a caretaker. But if you go back and
look at Ronald Reagan's presidency, it's known that the State
Department thought he was boorish and he was just I mean,
they wanted to run things. They didn't want Ronald Reagan
to run it, and so I feel like they've been waited.
This has been growing and coming our way for a

(01:14:43):
very long time. Now that we see it, can we
can we ever get that genie back in the bottle.
Let's say that for some some way they they the
deep state. We see that President Trump wins a reelection.
Can you even get to the place that you're talking
about where the chief executive, our president will will be
the president and really and really lead or is the

(01:15:04):
deep state now just out too far.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
Well, well, I think you obviously can. The executive branch,
the agencies and such are creatures of statute, and the
recent Supreme Court decision about repealing you know, we're tracking
much of Chevron is a very important case. So when
you look at it, it can be put back in
the bottle. It takes an active chief executive to do it,

(01:15:27):
which is why they were so bent upon undermining Donald
Trump as well as undermining anybody who wants to try
to bring its horns back in and bring it back
to heal. So I think it can be done, but again,
it's going to take an election to do it, and
won't just take one. It will take several elections to
do it, and it will take important, important sacrifices of bunks,

(01:15:49):
especially elected officials, that have to show the willingness and
the gumption to do it on behalf of the citizenry.
I think it can be done. I think it will
be done, but it's going to be very difficult.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
Tatty is how dangerous is that in your opinion, for
the company to have a the country, for the country
to have a chief executive who is really just taking
care of the administrative state and not taking care of
the American people. How dangerous is that for the country.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
A lot of people will conflate it that a care
tanker of the administrative state is serving the public by
letting the elites make these determinations for us. Obviously, I
reject that. I think has been rejected since the founding.
I think the vast majority of Americans still reject that.
But it becomes very difficult to try to articulate as
to why this is problematic for you, especially when so

(01:16:33):
much of it occurs behind the scenes and lyrics in
the shadows. We watched them from twenty sixteen try to
subvert the presidency of Donald Trump, and we're going to
continue to see it if he's reelected. It seems to
me that when we watch this as well, you have
to be very careful because the media plays a large
role in this. When you listen to some of the
ads and some of the discussion, if you watch some
of the performances of the moderators of the tubage, what

(01:16:55):
you saw was the lie of the Project twenty twenty
five being Donald Trump's vision to make some most power
chief executive. What that really does is not only try
to stop battle Trump for getting elected, but it also
lays the basis for the administrative state to try to
subvert his presidency if he is duly elected by the people,
which is why you see that Biden administration and others
will try to do things through bargaining agreements with bureaucratic

(01:17:19):
entity bureaucratic unions. You will try to see more people
being classified as not being able to be removed by
the president. So it's going to be a long difficult
because the current caretakers have means by which to make
it even more difficult for a president not only to
get elected and to serve, but also to implement an
agenda that has contrary to the interests of the administrative state.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
That is, this might be a tough question because I
actually don't like what I'm seeing that's prompting me to
ask it. But I look at the Cheney's, I look
at Dick Cheney and Liz Cheney and I and I
look at the bush family. They look like they're out
there trying to protect the status quo. In hindsight, are
the the Bushit family and the Chenese are they are

(01:18:02):
they caretakers? Were they caretakers?

Speaker 3 (01:18:05):
I think that what happened was in the wake of
September eleventh, a large, large part, especially the national security apparatus,
was directed And I think that in some ways they're
having difficulty their animus towards Donald Trump is blinding them
to the fact that the national security organs that they
helped to establish have now been used to attack the

(01:18:29):
domestic opponents of the administrative state rather than the terrorists
and foreign terrorist opponents of the American people. So I
think that that's part of the problem. Is is very
difficult to admit you may have made a mistake and
some of the things and have gone too far with
the erection of the national security state, the police powers
and the surveillance powers of the government. But also let
us not forget the Dick Cheney's a father, and you

(01:18:52):
know he sees his daughter battling with a guy, and
you know he's going to take his daughter's side. I
think we all would, And so there is a human
mention to this as well as the political I want
to believe that version.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
That's what I want to believe. Statius. I like that
I'm a dad, you.

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
Know dad or dad will be dad man, Yeah, Dad.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
Will be Dad.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Thank you, Daddias.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
Sattius McCarter joining us on our news BACA line. All right,
if you didn't catch the television interview with Kamala Harris Friday,
she did a interview with a Philadelphia television station and
that's her public Can I tell you the secret behind
this what she's doing. She's not going to do a
network broadcast. She will go to individual stations around the country, right,

(01:19:34):
and you know why because the anchors at those stations
are not going to ask her the tough questions.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Yeah, well they'll be dam.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
Yeah they don't need but they'll be softball interviews because
they'll feel it's an honor that they've been asked to
interview the vice president and they don't want to burn bridges,
so they'll all be softball interviews. Yeah, that's the way
they work it. So she can say, well, we've been
talking to the media. Yeah, alright, more coming up, Rod
and Greg on Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine

(01:20:05):
k N. Al Right, don't forget Jesse Kelly coming your
way following news at the top of the hour. Jesse
will be with you right up until ten.

Speaker 4 (01:20:15):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
Jesse was so much fun. We spend some time with
him at the r n C in Milwaukee, who was
gracious enough to sit down and talk to us. And
he's tall, super.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
Tall, and he's funny, a really nice guy. Yeah, just
a genuinely, genuinely nice k coming. He's you got some
sharp bubbles on that show of his. He likes to
really go after it. Very very nice guy, very passionate ver.
He's a patriot and very nice man.

Speaker 4 (01:20:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
Anybody on the left is a comedy.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
I know, I love it. Just we asked about it too,
and he was saying, yeah, context is right's right?

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
Comedies?

Speaker 4 (01:20:47):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
We mentioned before the break Kamala Harris and her new
strategy now to do interviews, but interviews with local television
stay yes, Okay, so she did one Friday night with
six Action News in Philly. Must be a big you know, yeah,
well Philly, liberal city, Philly. Right, So she sits down
and listen to this first question that the anchor asked her.

Speaker 5 (01:21:10):
When we talk about bringing down prices and making life
more affordable for people, are one or two specific things
you have in mind for that.

Speaker 16 (01:21:19):
Well, I'll start with this. I grew up a middle
class kid. My mother raised my sister and me. She
worked very hard. She was able to finally save up
enough money to buy our first house when I was
a teenager. I grew up in a community of hardworking people,
you know, construction workers and nurses and teachers. And I

(01:21:42):
try to explain to some people who may not have
had the same experience. You know, if a lot of
people will relate to this. You know, I grew up
in a neighborhood of folks who are very proud of
their lawn, you know, and thank you to believe to
know that all people deserve dignity.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
So see, she'll she'll solve the economic problems that we
face in this country, bringing down prices because she lived
in a neighborhood where everybody was proud of their lawn.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
Yeah. So I don't know that that's a plan. I
think maybe, you know when he said, and he even asked,
what specific plans do you have? Yeah, turns out neighbors
with that love their lawns. I had a neighbor he's
since moved, but he was the gold standard of lawns.
I mean, it was a lot of peer pressure on
that street. He kept his lawn immaculate. Yes, he actually
raised them. Yes, he was a lot of pressure and

(01:22:34):
he would heckle me if I didn't. So well, I
guess unless he's involved. Unless my neighbor whose name I
will not mention, but he's been a listener of the show,
unless he's involved in her economic plan, I say, FOI,
it's not real.

Speaker 1 (01:22:47):
No, they you know, they do the raw interview, then
they do the interview that they're going to air on
the show. Right, listen to the difference and how certain
things were edited out.

Speaker 5 (01:23:00):
When we talk about bringing down prices and making life
more affordable for people, what are one or two specific
things you have in mind for that.

Speaker 16 (01:23:08):
So when I talk about building an opportunity economy, it
is very much with the mind of investing in the
ambitions and aspirations and the incredible work ethic of the
American people, and creating opportunity for people, for example, to
start a small business. So my opportunity economy plan includes

(01:23:29):
giving startups a fifty thousand dollars tax deduction to start
their small business.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
It used to be five thousand dollars.

Speaker 16 (01:23:37):
Nobody can start a small business with five thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
Well, isn't it interesting that the audience to that television
station in Philly didn't get to hear or see the
front part of that answer, only the last part of
the answer where she actually tried to get in. Did
I detect a detail?

Speaker 4 (01:23:56):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
And the details always transaction where the government gives you something,
it's never getting the government out of your way. It's
never lessening the burden. It's never controlling what you're spending
so that the inflation doesn't go up and your dollar
becomes less. She's going to print more money and give
you more of it to start a business, which is
a horrible plan. But I thought that investing in the
ambitions of the American people, that might be their lawns.

(01:24:18):
It might be that might have been the lawn.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
Look, we figured it out.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
Yes, they're going to be landscapers. They're gonna have I
mean very proud of that. And when you when you
invest in the ambitions of the American people, they are
going to put that into their lawns.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
The way they are very proud of their lawns is
give them money so they can invest in their lawn.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
Yes, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
Well, the folks at Fox News realized that the answer
she gave originally was very very similar to what she
said in the first debate on Tuesday night when asked
about prices and what she was going to do to
bring them down. Listen to this comparison between the two
first year You'll hear what she said Friday night and
then what she said on Tuesday night.

Speaker 16 (01:24:58):
I grew up a middle class kid. I was raised
as a middle class kid, focusing on again the aspirations
and the dreams. I believe in the ambition, the aspirations,
the dreams of the American people. I was a career
prosecutor for most of my career. I started my career
as a prosecutor in creating an opportunity economy where it's

(01:25:19):
about investing in areas that really need a lot of work.
I intend to create an opportunity economy. Well, I'm obviously
not Joe Biden. Clearly i am not Joe Biden. That
the vast majority of us as Americans, have so much
more in common and that separates us. We all have
so much more in common than.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
What separates us.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
You think she's got the talking points that, You've got
to give her credit. She's got the talking points nailed well.

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
If she were to believe the regime media, and they
were just they were just fawning over her performance in
the debate. You'd say, well, I put a lot of
money and time into that debate prep. I could use
that again and again and again because she had those
lines memorized, and so she just keeps rolling with it.
It's like when someone came up with a good joke
and then they just tell it all the time. They
ruin it because they just they tell the joke, and
then they tell it all the time. They ruin the joke. Yeah,

(01:26:08):
she doesn't have a whole lot to say, and it
just sounds it's the mirror image of what she said
on the debate on Tuesday, which, by the way, she
still talks in circles. It's all the ambitions and dreams
of the American people. And I still maintain that some
of that isn't just her not understanding or wanting to
have a plan. I think she's truly stuck. I think

(01:26:30):
she has voting blocks where the New Green Deal, which
was her Inflation Reduction Act, which was really the New
Green Deal. She's saying in Pennsylvania, I support fracking, but
she can't go too far because if she gets too
out there, then she will alienate and maybe chill the vote,
have a chilling effect on the environmentalists that want her
in office. Same with the pro terrorist Mosque group. She

(01:26:52):
can't be too pro Israel. She's going to lose them,
so she really has to. She can't really give you
any more detail than the eight Dreams aspirations of the
American people. You see, that's what she's for.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
Well, if she gets into specifics as you bring out
greg it, it'll make that one coalition that is there
for her every second of the way. We'll go wait
a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
And that's why it's always ends up being something she
wants to get it away. Yeah, she thinks that you're
not going to kick a gift horse in the mouth,
even if I just want to give you a more
money to start a business. Republicans and Independents might not
hate that as much as I want to shut down
all combustible engines by twenty thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
That's true. Oh you know it's also back what her
accents really. She found a new one over the weekend and.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
Laugh on Tuesday. She didn't even do that cackle.

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
Meghan Kelly found the new accent. Here's a montage of
her new accents, her suppression.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
The accent is back.

Speaker 16 (01:27:47):
Stacey Abrams would be the governor of Georgia. Andrew Gillham
is the governor of Florida.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
First we saw her develop the magical accent when she
was down south. I'm gonna get into some bit now, okay,
and now it's back.

Speaker 16 (01:28:03):
You all helped us win in twenty twenty and we
don't do it again in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
We gonna beat him in November.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
But what are you going to do about it? We
all know you don't talk like that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
You've been vice president for four years.

Speaker 15 (01:28:13):
He does not walk it like he talks it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
She doesn't talk like.

Speaker 3 (01:28:18):
This when we get this done together, mother, friend, I.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
Know how to talk to you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
I mean, come on, why they testified?

Speaker 16 (01:28:26):
Can I get a witness?

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
And they know we all know.

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
She's just a big walking bag of artifice. You think
you just fell out of a coconut tree. Best rapper
alive Tupac Are you kidding me? I'm totally.

Speaker 5 (01:28:42):
Part of that whole listening.

Speaker 11 (01:28:46):
Generation of music.

Speaker 6 (01:28:47):
She seems to come forth with some sort of an
accent while she's talking to French scientists.

Speaker 16 (01:28:53):
We campaign with the plan Uppercase, t Uppercase, p deep Plath.

Speaker 4 (01:29:02):
What was but that was weird?

Speaker 1 (01:29:04):
That was weird. What was that show where the guy
would say the plane?

Speaker 17 (01:29:09):
That was that?

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
It was Fantasy Island? Fantasy, Yes, it was Fantasy Island
and it was the guy would allow to call him
midget anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
So little people, little people. He was in James Bond movie.

Speaker 18 (01:29:23):
What was his name?

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
Yeah, that's his that's his Actually that's his real name, right,
wash tattoo? Thank you, Mark got it? Tattoo that Mark's
got it. You know, I love TV. I've watched that
show when it was.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
You watch Fantasy Island?

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
I watched it every week?

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
Did you watch a love Boat?

Speaker 4 (01:29:40):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
I watched both really yes? Yeah, Isaac Gopher, Yeah, Julie
the you know entertainer that all of them, captain was
it Newman? I watched that whole I watched Love Boat
every every week and Fantasy Island. I was a child
of TV. Look, when you're when you're a latch kid,
you got a.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
Lot of TV you're watching. You're blaming on kid.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
Well I'm not well, I don't blame I'm just saying that,
you know, you watch a lot of TV. I watched
a lot of Beverly Hill Billies. I watched a lot
of these were reruns, but I watched, you know, the watching. Yeah,
I watched a lot of Look at the contorted look
on your face? That show wasn't that bad? Love and
Fantasy Island, Yes, they had you know, they had all
the same thing. Every every show was the same thing.
They had different plots every single week. There wasn't it.

(01:30:26):
There wasn't an overarching plot.

Speaker 8 (01:30:28):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
It was a standalone show every week.

Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
Do a vote on this someday and I will win
this one. No, you won't.

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
Watching The Love Boat and every every red blooded American
love both those shows. They were top shows every Nielsen ratings,
top five shows every year. Yeah, Dukes of Hazard two,
Oh geez.

Speaker 10 (01:30:47):
More.

Speaker 1 (01:30:47):
Final thoughts on the Running Greg show, You're on Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine, Canter, the votes are
in the votes count show, You're on Utah's Talk Radio minutes.
What did they say?

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
They said, I am a fine consumer of good, good
television shows. I'm going to put that connoisseur television one
rod zero win again winning.

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
Now we were talking about these old TV shows, right,
You didn't like the Waltons.

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
Yeah, that was when I was you. I wasn't totally
I would agree with you, Lawrence Welk. I have to
watch my Grandma when I was really little. I used
to suffer through that one. But I used to get
to watch Emergency One after that.

Speaker 4 (01:31:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
See I didn't want well, I had to watch it
if I wanted to get to a hockey game on
TV after.

Speaker 4 (01:31:31):
It was over.

Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
Yeah, but you were probably like twenty five when you
did that. Always five or four, I think four, seven
or eight. No, if I was for you were way
or not telling stories, but.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
You know we were telling. One that we do agree
on was a kojak love I love, who loves you?

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
Who loves your baby? And then he was he always
had something quitting smoking. I'm probably was probably yeah, if
the the storyline as well as I think in real
life he was quitting. He was trying to he was smoking,
quit smoking, so he was using the Yeah, pops, it
was a lollipop round and you have it hanging in
his mouth like a cig but it was and it was.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
But you watched all these shows like like well, I'm
thinking of sat Adam twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
Adam twelve Swap Rookies, Chips, Chips. I loved movies the Chips.
That was a great show. Riding around a bunch of motorcycles.
I love punching John. They were great, they were awesome.
They liked Adam twelve. Like Adam twelve, like stars, cant.

Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
Around when you were you around?

Speaker 4 (01:32:35):
When? What was it?

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
Hill Street Blues?

Speaker 13 (01:32:37):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
Oh, I love yeah, Hill Street Blues. That was actually
based on Pittsburgh, the Hill Hill District in Pittsburgh. That right,
it was, Yes, I remember that. What's there one I was?
I was thinking of n Y p D.

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
Blue.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
Yes, that was a groundbreaking show, very very controversial show. Yes,
Miami Vice.

Speaker 7 (01:32:54):
I loved that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
Oh, I love Miami Advice.

Speaker 2 (01:32:56):
I loved Miamidvice. And now you watch the documentaries like
that or those like like dramatic documents like Narcos and
stuff like My advice was talking about the drug trade
when it was happening in real time in the eighties
in Miami, in South Florida. That was actually blowing up
in real life. You find out now when they were
making that show. That wasn't like walking back or what

(01:33:16):
kind of car did he drive? It was a kit car?
I think it was a Corvette that they had made
a kick.

Speaker 10 (01:33:21):
Is that what it was?

Speaker 4 (01:33:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
I think so. But I love that wore those cool clothes, Miam,
and they put the music in it, like.

Speaker 1 (01:33:27):
All the music. You know, the best part of that
show I think was the music.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
Yeah. That was called Glenn Fry number of well known
X yep. And Michael Mann was the And he's made
some great movies. So Michael Mann is kind of well
known as a great movie producer, producer and director of movies.
And he did my advice. I love my I'm struggling
with I like Magnum p I too, Yeah, I love

(01:33:52):
yeah Thursday Nights.

Speaker 1 (01:33:53):
Yeah, that was good.

Speaker 2 (01:33:54):
Was Thursday night night. It wasn't, Yes, that was Thursday
Nights because you know, I put it out of business.
You know what put them out of business? It's the
Cosby Show. Cosby Show started going up against Magnum p
I and CBS. The ring writing started going down, NBC
start going up. That's how much I know about television.
I watched a little, obviously, I watched a lot of it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
All right, all right, that does it for us tonight?
I imagine our listener.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
Everything I learned I learned from Magnum p talk with
Gray all right, head up, childers back.

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
May God bless you and your family in this great
country at the hours. Talk to you tomorrow.

Speaker 7 (01:34:28):
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