Extreme Groove Metallers Without Mercy Return w Infinite Loss & Loads of Stories With PipemanRadio

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
You have done to ensure.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Wow, crazy you.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe
Man W four C Y Radio. And this next band
that I'm about to interview, oh my god, they have
some brutal music and I mean that in the best
of ways. So let's welcome to the show. DJ Temple
from Without Mercy.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Hey, buddy, how you doing.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
How's it going? Man?

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Much better? Having seen your face?

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Look at you?

Speaker 2 (00:40):
You add some set of a bitch.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Well, I tell you what, man, I don't even know
how you got such a great band name. Like it's
so hard to get band names, especially nowadays. I mean you,
you did it way back when. But even then, I'm
thinking to have such a brutal type of music and
that band name not being taken, that that that meant

(01:05):
it was meant to be for your band, I.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Think, so stars aligned all that stuff, I think, so luck,
I'll take it.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
I'll take the luck right right. So so let's go
back before we move forward. And you know, what was it?
What was that one moment in life that you can
remember that you decide metal was your life.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
I saw a dimeband playing guitar.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Forever nice and that was that was it.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
I remember like I was a huge pan terrifan because
I remember being in high school and I was I
think of this one goddamn hallway, this one hallway that
was like the epitome of all the bullying I suffered
in school. It was like right through this hallway and
it was split. There was one side doing Metallica, on
the other side doing Slayer, and I'm old as hell, like,
look at the gray Look I'm old as hell, bro.

(01:56):
So I'm from the era where we had those damn
bind years of CDs. You would like flip them open,
and everybody had all the CDs, right, So I remember
like people had like the Panterra this or the Metallica
or the Slayer, and you couldn't listen to both because
like one was more brutal to and nothing ever spoke
to me. And then my buddy Masa shout out to Masa,
who's somewhere in Japan. I don't know what happened to him,

(02:18):
but he he played me Becoming. It's the first ever
Pantera track I heard in my life. It was just
that jutta ut jutta ut jutut and then the crazy
double kick batter that doesn't really make any sense. And
I remember I clicked in the Matrix bro. I was like,
what the hell is this? Oh my god, yeah, fuck
you Metallica. No offense, No offense Metallica, but like, nah,

(02:41):
I'm Pantera all day? What I have drank the kool aid?
What is this? Nicely? And then I got to see
them live in two thousand and then I got to
see Damage Plan live after that, and I actually met
Dinebag and shook his hand.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Nice dude.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
It's just that was it. That was it. I'm in
the matrix game over.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
So it's funny everything that you said, because now I'm
going to counter. Oh. You know, so, first of all,
my bullying days were punks against metal heads. So it
was like, you know, going back to the eighties, you

(03:23):
couldn't be a long hair and go to a punk show.
You got your ass beat. You couldn't be a punk
and go to a metal show. You got your ass beat.
And I always thought it was stupid because the jocks
were kicking both of our asses in school. We should
have banded together, okay, instead of fighting each other with
very similar music, you know, So it was kind of stupid.

(03:47):
I was at Metallica's first show ever when they were
thrash and well actually they weren't thrashed a first show,
but they sounded thrashed or just it wasn't a word
for thrash yet. And I was that Slayer first show ever. Wow,
So I can tell you number one. Okay, Like as

(04:08):
far as the Metallica Slayer thing, that didn't happen until
Metallica posed out, you know, and listen, I still love
Metallica to this day. But when the Black album came out,
me and my twenty five friends that used to go
see them all the time in LA were like, fuck
those posers sellouts, you know, because and I remember when

(04:33):
Ride the Lightning came out, and I was like, we
were all like if you took Fight Fire with Fire
off of Ride and Lightning and put on Kill Mall
and took Jump in the Fire and put on on
Ride the Lightning, Kill Mall was a perfect album, you know,
because it made more sense. Fight Fire with Fire was
more kill them All than Ride the Lightning in my opinion.

(04:55):
But I you know, the thing is something else that
hit me that you said, because it's really something I believe,
is like you have to kind of be unique. If
you're gonna be metal, it shouldn't be a formula. And
I forget the word that you use, but it was

(05:16):
basically like it was describing what you thought was different,
you know, and it should be different. I find a
lot of bands nowadays, you know, there's so many subgenres
and microgenres that they fall into this like formula equation,
like they're doing algebra instead of creating music, you know,

(05:36):
and it's like, this is how you have to write
a metal core song and that's it. Whereas thrash there
were no rules because there was no thrash and that's
why all the thrash metal bands sound totally different because
it was just experimentation, which is I think what metal
should be. It shouldn't be a formula. It should be

(05:59):
emotion and experimentation and musicianship. You put those three together
and to me, that's metal and really it's real music.
Leave the formulas to the pop bands, you know. And
that that's why I like about your music, because you

(06:20):
have a bunch of gender blending that makes it unique,
makes it brutal but not the same as everybody else.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Well, that's really kind. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
You're welcome. And I and just the fact that we're talking,
like I won't interview bands if I don't like them.
How can you be a metal head and promote a
band you don't like, Like I never get that. I
do festivals and I see people there they don't even
know metal. I'm like, why are you here?

Speaker 2 (06:51):
You know, Like it reminds me of this trolling meme
we posted once. But but I feel like the bands,
especially me, people don't get the sense of humor sometimes.
And like, we posted this picture of Dimebag and we
said it's gonna get so much shit, but it was.

(07:11):
I thought it was hilarious because it just spoke to
that poser thing you were talking about when we posted
this picture of Dimebag. It's a famous one of dime
where he's like his head's up and he's laughing, like
it's just a quintessential thing I loved about the man.
But it says rest in peace, Ronnie James do O,
best Mega death drummer. And I was like, this is hilarious,

(07:33):
like that fucking killer, And oh my god, that people
were pissed, like they were so pissed. Oh my god,
you guys missed the sarcasm.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
I have a feeling that's definitely getting picked up by blabbermouth.
Oh because, oh my god. Well it's kind of like
I I gotta tell you something, so I am gonna
shout out to them. Like one of my interviews that
really got picked up the most was when Carmina Peace
was on first time it was on my show, and

(08:05):
he said Black Sabbath was not the first metal band,
Metallica was, and oh my god, the world did not
like that statement at all.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Oh yeah, that's that's brave.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
I mean, psyche FOI was before Ozsie passed because that
had that I might have had to edit it out
if it was after Ozzie passed. But you know, but uh,
it's interesting too that somebody like him would say that.
And I don't mean for any other reason, just the age,

(08:42):
you know, like people of my generation, you know, and
like I'm similar ages to Metallic and Slayered are a
little bit older than me, but not much, uh, you know,
are in we didn't have all this extreme metal first.
The only in influence we had to medal was Black Sabbath,

(09:02):
Cream Mountain. You know, things like led Zeppelin, Like if
you google led Zeppelin, they name them as a metal band,
which is funny because if you were back in the seventies,
they weren't a metal band, but they were a metal
band before it was metal or even like Helter Skelter
by the Beatles, that's a metal song, I think, you know.

(09:23):
But and then there was that that transformation to the
British Medal, the Maiden, the Priests, the Scorpions, and for me,
like it's funny you're talking, I'll tell you my thing was.
So I saw Motley Cruz show at the Roxy and
the Sunset Strip in nineteen eighty before they were glam,

(09:44):
when they were like considered like horror punk. That was
the first show I ever went to a club show
I ever went to in my life, and I was
like they were trying to light the Roxy on fire
to bring Satan in, and I was just like, oh
my god, I'm never going to a real concert ever again.
And then that led to me going to bands like

(10:07):
Armored Saint and Wasp, and then that led me to
Slayer and Metallica, and then they bailed on us and
went up to the Bay Area and left me and
my OA friends to deal with all the hair metal crap.
So me and my bro used to hitchhike up to
the Bay Area, and that's when we found out what
a real metal show was, Like, how how have.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
We not been best friends forever?

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Bro?

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Like the interview, Let's just let's just chat man, That's.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
All it should be, right, you know, Like, and that
goes back to my first statement, this is how metal
people interview. I go on tour and I do festivals
all over US, UK and Europe, and sometimes I'd listen
to other people's interviews like my ear, like in the
press area, and I think to myself, Oh my god,

(10:59):
if I were a band, I'd be slit in my
throat right now and I would rip the script out
of your hand too, which I toldally, would you know?

Speaker 2 (11:09):
I like, I'm hanging out with you right now, and
I'm thinking, like, if the other guys in the band
were here, like, we couldn't have you interview us before
a show. We'd miss the call time one hundred percent.
The four of us would be like, oh yeah, but
what about like and Slayer in the eighties, huh so
oh when I saw Lamb of God, they were likely
it would just be guys call time, funck off, we're

(11:30):
talking to pot man, this is cool.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
So see, I love that too, cuz you know what
that almost happened one time with Mike Muir. Okay, I
was interviewing him at Rockklahoma, and I had the whole
pres stent surrounding me because I was only one that
guy his interview, and so they're like, oh and so,

(11:54):
And it wasn't the first time I interviewed him. The
first time I interviewed him was on a tour bus
in Miami and in the interview, he got a text message,
didn't say word, got up, walked off the bus, and
no way saw him till showtime. That was a text
telling him that Jeff Hannamon passed away. Oh shit, So

(12:14):
that was kind of fucked up. But this time was
kind of fight because he was just talking, talking, like
there's a rumor in this industry that he does not
like doing interviews, and I have not experienced that. Like
I think it's yeah, I wouldn't want to do an
interview with somebody that's not a metal head and doesn't

(12:35):
know my music and it's asking me stupid questions. I
think I would be that way. But with me, he's talking, talking,
and then I cut him off. At one point, and
I was like, dude, we got in the interview or
else you're gonna miss your set, because literally it was
going the right way you described like he would have
just kept talking. I had to cut him off and say, dude,
you gotta go play.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Like dude, yeah, yeah, it's I feel like I feel
like I've been orbiting metal since I was a kid,
never knew it. Yeah, I'm a pretty big video gamer
obviously me too, Me too. And I remember playing Duke
Nukem thinking this was the coolest shit ever, and then

(13:20):
rocking the theme song and finding out Mega Death wrote
the freaking theme song, and then be like, okay, well
I'm gonna watch this movie Heavy Metal two thousand or whatever.
I'm just gonna watch this like anime movie. Actually it
was Street Fighter to the animated movie. Shout out to
that one. It was still hand drawn. It's an incredible movie.

(13:40):
And the soundtrack to that was corn Blind. They had
Alison Chains on it. I'm pretty sure there's a Metallica
song or two on it. I think sound Gardens on
the actual soundtrack. Probably not maybe fact check me on that,
but the the the laundry list of stuff, because that
that's back when movies also released CDs of their soundtracks,
right right, So this that was insane. And then to

(14:02):
watch Heavy Metal two thousand and pan Terra's on the
goddamn thing, or or I watched Dracula two thousand thinking
it'd be this really lame movie with Gerrod Butler and
pan Terra's on that soundtrack, and like, I can't just shake.
I watched My favorite movie when I was growing up
was The Crow, Nice, like the original Crow, and pan
Terra's on that soundtrack. Like all right, guys, I I

(14:24):
tap out. I mean even you can't see because my
office is Hella MESSI. We're prepping for tour. We leave
on Thursday, and Nice hidden the wonderf I God, yeah, dude, dude,
you can't even find this anymore. This is a DVD
release of the three videos from Pantera. Nice but it's
actually got like this is this How much of a

(14:45):
nerd I am? This has an error on the discography
order they put uh they put far beyond Driven before
Vulgar Display of Power. Wow, And I'm.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Like, what that's pretty That's not the order it goes in.
Come on, I used to have the Motley Crewe album,
the two Faster Love album that had the zipper on it.
I think there was only like twenty five or fifty made. Dude,
Like it was a real zipper on it, dude, right, Ah, yeah,

(15:19):
I was. I was at the first crossover show ever.
So it was the first time punks and metal heads
were in a room together and there was no security.
It was at Elks Lodge, the Sun Valley Sportsman's Lodge.
And interestingly enough, I just interviewed COC recently, and I've

(15:41):
interviewed them before and they were on the punk side,
that was pre Pepper, before they were hardcore punk, and
so they were at Download and I was interviewing them
at Download, And like when I interviewed them before, I
interviewed Woody on one interview, Mike Deanon other and this
one Woody and Pepper were in the interview. But man,

(16:04):
Woody and Mike Dean remember that show, Like in both interviews,
I was like, yeah, you might not remember this, but
this is my most epic memory. And I was at
the first crossover show ever. He interrupted me, He goes,
it was at an Elks Lodge, wasn't it, He goes,
that was the both of them did that it was

(16:25):
the most epic show ever and it was, man, it
was like so y had. On the punk side, it
was coc pre Pepper when they were hardcore punk. It
was suicidal before they crossed over, Like you couldn't you
couldn't be a metal head and go suicide shows in
the early days, okay. Uh. And then there was the Descendants,

(16:46):
And then on the metal side it was this Span
Savage Grace, who was one of my favorite thrash Oa bands.
You know that they didn't make it like Metallica and
Slayer did, but they did tour with Motorhead. Uh. So
there's that and uh and then Dark Angel in the

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beginning in the beginning with Don Dodie singing and possessed,
possessed dude, pre accident possessed and oh my god, it
was the most insane show ever, like an Elks lodge
with no security, first time ever pumped some metal heads
in the same place and it's kind of like it

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was really tall. All I remember in my head a
lot of times is people flying through the air because
people were climbing up to the rafters and doing stage
dives like but not from the stage. From the rafters.
You know it's like people, yeah, people flying through the air.
You know, talk about sketch. Okay. So I was at

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Milwaukee Metal Fest recently and I was at the Violent set,
which was such a it was like it was like
a Bay Area eighties Bay Area show, Like it was crazy.
There were stage divers like everywhere all over. So I
took a video. I sent it to my youngest daughter

(18:16):
and said, I said, oh, check out this show and
she goes, oh, yeah, that is how you knocked out
all your front teeth and I'm like, well, yes, except
I climbed up on Marshall Stack and did a swan
dive twenty feet high in the air and the crowd moved.
And it was at a Savage Gray show that I

(18:38):
actually closed out the show. Not because of the fall,
but it was the last note of the show. I
hit the ground like perfectly. I thought, you know, you
can take into a TikTok more perfectly. And you know,
I didn't have evidence, because you know, there's no evidence
of shit from my generation. Yeah, so you tell your

(18:59):
kids stories and they're like, yeah, sure, Dad. That's either
they say it or they're thinking or they think you're
exaggerating like this was the Sunset Strip days. Okay, anything
you say is not, you know, far from reality, no
matter how much you could exaggerate it, because like, if

(19:21):
you were in at the Sunset Strip in the eighties
and you remember it, you weren't there.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
And that's the best quote ever, right right.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
And so so I did get proof because that band
Savage Grace a few years ago came out with their
first album in like twenty five years, and I can email, hey,
can you from the publicists? Can you do me a
favor and interview Christian from Savage Grace, And he's given
me the whole pitch. I'm like, you don't have to
pitch me. I was good friends with Christian in the

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eighties and happy to do it. And so we meet
like in the beginning, like me and you did, and
and I kind of reminded him who I was, you know,
because we look a little different from that many years ago.
And and then he remembered instantly though, and I'm like, well,

(20:14):
we'll talk about stuff on the air because it'll be
better on the air. And so during the interview, I
brought up that show where I knocked out my teeth.
Now I had always told my kids like I was
like the biggest, biggest tragedy to La Metal ever, like,
and I ended this show and you know, I paid
the whole story. And that's why they think you're exaggerating,

(20:38):
because like, yeah, sure Dad, sure Dad. So in the interview, literally,
this is why I love doing interviews too, because some
of my stories can be validated, uh, and can be verified.
And so during the interview, he goes, oh, my god,
I wondered what happened to you, like because I was
friends with them, I was at their shows all the time,

(20:58):
and then I was gone and there like, oh, we
felt so bad and you were the most tragic thing
that ever happened to La Medal And I was like,
score sent it to my kids. Listen to this airview.
See how full of shit I am, you know. And
then so recently I had an otherwise, this is what

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air views are good for, get getting verifications of So
I was interviewing Dante from Venom Wow and recently, and
I just have to tell you one of my first
extreme metal albums was Welcome the Hell, like I walked into.
We used to go to his place in ODDS Records

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in the Valley and we used to deal with this
record store clerk there, and he would always show us
the newest music, the newest gigs. That's how I knew
what gigs to go to, what music listened to. And
he handed men Us Export Venom, Welcome the Hell. I
remember going home and doing what we did back then
now and opening the album and reading the lyrics and

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being scared of my fucking mind because it was the
scariest shit ever.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
That's how I feel now about Sabrina Carpenter.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Lyrics exactly and Taylor Swift's Illuminati lyrics. So fast forward,
I'm interviewing Dante and I don't know, I forget how
it came up, but it came up about it's something

(22:35):
to do with that, and I was like, oh my god, wait,
so listen. I was like, listen. I was at that show,
The Ultimate Revenge, Venom Slayer Exodus. I heard the rumor
that Chronos knocked out Tom Mariah backstage, you know, because
the rumor was back then that he did that, because

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he went up to him and apparently Tom was saying something.
He's like, you're not black metal, we're black metal, you know,
and talk about gatekeeping, you know, Venom and Slayer gatekeeping
each other of who's black metal, you know, and and
so then he says, yep, because he brought up something,

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and I'm like, so it's true, and he goes, yeah,
it's absolutely true. Tom was mouthing off and Kronos beat
the shit out. Wow, I'm like, another story verified that.
Probably people think I'm full of shit, but you know,
w Yeah, there were some wild times back then, and

(23:40):
so I am glad that Pantera came along because if
it weren't for Pantera coming along, metal could have died
because grunge killed metal, you know. And so I think
without Pantera you wouldn't have these massive festivals that I
do right now, with one hundred thousand people that are
metal heads there for extreme metal, you know, and you know,

(24:07):
and just nobody has bad things to say about Dime
or Vinnie. And I did get to interview Vinnie before
he passed. Yeah that that was cool as hell. You know.
I hate that some of my you know, proud moments
are of people that are not with us anymore. That
kind of sucks, but yeah, but yeah, I mean it

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was one of Joey Jorison's last interviews. That was a
bummer too. But you know, it's great to see that
there's bands like you too, that here you are, all
these years later putting out a new EP, Like yeah,
it like, did you ever think that would happen way

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back when and when you were starting this thing out?
Did you think that in twenty twenty six that you'd
still be putting out new music?

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, Like, I mean, I was pretty gung ho for
the longest time. I remember I was dating my wife
and we were already like a year or two deep
into the band, and I and like having that conversation
like this is what I'm gonna do, just so you know,
like I have a shitty job selling TVs in the
morning at the time, like, but this is this is
what I want to do. And I don't see it stopping.

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And she's like yeah, yeah, I mean I ain't gonna
ask you to stop. Look at you like that's it's
like asking you to lose your left arm. It's just
not gonna be a thing.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
You got a great woman there. Because it is hard
for people to understand, especially when it comes to metal,
Like I have a brother that sense to me, you're
gon gonna find somebody your age that's into metal and
in it. Okay, whatever, come to one of my festivals
and tell me that you know, uh, but yeah, that's

(25:49):
so go on. I just wanted to comment with a
great woman because she wasn't Yoko Ono. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Oh, do you want to hear a crazier story, crazy
story about how like this? It's just it's ridiculous because
like I run a music academy, and like I teach
guitar full time, and that's that's my whole thing. And
I got a bunch of teachers that work under me
and stuff like that. But that whole thing started out
of this room night I was taking private students on

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and blah blah blah. There's a time when I was
so shitty. I was paying them to let me teach
them so I could get the experience.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Like it was so awful.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
But I got into guitar school, and like I tried
not to get emotional thinking about this because I realize
now in twenty twenty six, how absolutely ridiculous this is
as a statement, but on everything, I my wife and
I we weren't married yet. We're getting married in like
six or seven months. And I was I was selling

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TVs and at the Canadian subsidiary of Best Buy, which
was called Future Shop at the time. I was like
the number two salesman in the company. I was doing
one hundred thousand dollars a shift in girls volume. And
I went to work one day and they fucking fired me,
just out of nowhere. I get the left hook that
they're like because I just asked for like four days

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off to record what would become Without Mercy's self titled album. Uh,
and I got I come home. I gotta wake my
wife up because it's still hella early, and I got
to tell her like, yeah, I know we're getting married
in six months, but I just lost my job. I'm
the only one working, Like, you might as well leave
me at this point. And I remember her being like

(27:28):
groggy and her going, well, this is a good thing
because I didn't like your manager. He was he was like,
he wasn't right, he wasn't right. And this is just
you have to find a way to play guitar for
a living, because that's what the universe is telling you, Like,
that's that we don't have a choice in this matter.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
Oh my god, how often does a woman tell a
guy that in that at that stage?

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Dude, dude, and I'm talking like at this point of
my career, I was like I was, I was all right,
but like you know, I'd still flub the smells like
teen spirit solo. I know what I'm saying, Like you know,
if I if I practice for an hour, I might
nail it. So like that was that was some That
was some ballsiness on her part. But then I got
I got accepted to guitar school and like music college

(28:11):
or whatever the hell you want to call it. And
I remember her working three jobs, probably like forty five
days in a row without a day off to put
me through school, like this was everything. We're eating mister
noodles for three days because that's we got to stretch
this can of salmon that we got given to her
us by her family. We have to stretch it three days.
We have four cups of rice left to our name,

(28:32):
like it was a whole thing. And I'm like, God
damn it, I will be the best fucking guitar teacher
in my area. If this is the kind of support
I'm getting from her. My parents are telling me to
give up. Her parents are like, ah, all my friends
were like buddy, I don't know. And She's like fuck off.
I'm just gonna go to work. Leave him alone, he'll
be he'll be good. Leave him alone, he'll be good.
What kind of blind faith?

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Where the fuck did you find a woman like that? Man?
Because I'll tell you what, at fifty years old, I
was starting to think a woman like that don't fucking exist. Man.
That's like I always listen, you're gonna laugh. But my
thing always was I've changed it recently because of what

(29:14):
I just said, but my thing was always like I'm
looking for my Adrian, which is a reference from Rocky.
That's what I was gonna ask you, all right, like
that scene in Rocky Too where you know he's gonna
fight Apollo again. But basically she didn't want them to fight,

(29:35):
so he was training like shit, he was gonna probably
get to kick get his ass kicked. And you know,
she went to the coma. She comes out of coma
and he's like, you know, if you don't want me
messed with Creed no more, I won't do it. And

(29:55):
she's like, I just want you to do one thing.
And I go I'm getting chills now now just saying
it myself. And he goes, what and she she's like,
come here and whispers in his ear win and then
the rocky music comes on and then he's like training
like an animal and they beats the shit. Have Apollo Greed? Yeah, yeah,

(30:19):
your story reminds me of a real life version of that.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
It feels like it's sometimes, man. And that's more the
answer to your question is, I don't understand how I
got that support. I don't understand why. And in really
bad times like the band's. The band's had some terrible shit,
but I mean every band has, but totally. We had
dropped an album called Seismic and we got picked up
by blood Blast and Nuclear Blast was sniffing and it

(30:46):
looked like we were going to be signed and they
were talking about bringing us to Germany. It was a
whole thing, and we were like, we fucking did it.
Here it is we did it. At that point, the
band was fifteen years old, and we're like, we did it.
And then I shit, you not. We signed the agreement
and even our lawyer is like, this agreement is like

(31:08):
really favorable on your side. This doesn't make any sense.
I never see these agreements.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yeah, that would be weird.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
So we're like, because you know, you run everything by
your Lord, look, if anybody's watching this, always get a
lawyer to read your shit. Always.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Yep, No, even if you understand the law, because you
might not pick up something because you're not objective. Because
I do that all the time and I understand it.
But I always you know, and that is my viewpoint.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Man.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Like when people ask me, you know, for agreements for
the radio show. On my statement, I'm like, listen, I
could give you agreement, but it's going to be all
one sided like every other radio station. You're better off
without it. And I'm honest with him because i was
on their side of the fence. So I'm like, it's
all I'm going to do is tie you into me

(31:59):
and own all your shit. Why do you want me
to do you want to sign that? I'm glad to
give it to you.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
So yeah, he was. The lawyer was like, this is crazy,
this is like I got I have. I have nothing
that I want them to change of this. They even
the areas where it would have been ambiguous language. So
maybe they can get a piece of your music academy
or your merch or something. He's like, they say nothing
about it. They're specific about this record only not past
catalog not future catalogs, so maybe that's the thing. He's like,

(32:29):
maybe maybe there it's concerning. They don't show an interest
in future stuff. But let's just take with this one,
and like, that's a win. Amazing. We talked to our rep.
Our rep was great and the blood Blast was unbelievably
kind to us. Everything was set up. We're like, all right,
let's go. Literally like twelve days later.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
COVID, Oh my god, and that was it.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Plane tickets gone, no festival appearent, nothing. Oh can we
push this record? Yeah, no one's in office, so we don't.
And then, you know, COVID eventually dwindles out and we
can kind of sort of get back to it. And
we approached them and they go, yeah, but this album's old, man,
we need a new album. So we just spent like
thirty grand to make this nine song album and it

(33:12):
just existed in the ether, nobody ever heard about it.
And then it started. The craziest thing was it started
to work against us because the advice we got from
the management we had at the time was quote, the
big dogs aren't doing anything, so this might be a
chance for you to slide in and get an album out.

(33:32):
And I went, Okay, that's kind of I guess that
makes sense. But we dropped it in November, so now
it looks like it was an album dropped in twenty twenty.
COVID's done by twenty twenty four, and we're like, yeah,
we have a four year old album that we haven't
done anything. It looks like we have it. It's been
hurting us consistently. Yeah, So we then we tried writing

(33:53):
new material and the most egregious thing happened with the material,
which was in Canada to where we are. There was
an influx of just super rich people that were buying
buildings because people were losing their shirts due to COVID.
So we would lose a rehearsal space once a week,

(34:14):
it was nuts, and we'd find a new one. We'd
move in, we'd get set up, the lane would go,
you're not gonna believe this. So I think we lost
three in a month. Wow, So like you got that.
And then our van blew up so we couldn't even
like tour with the van.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
I'm like, I.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Like, I don't I don't know, man, I don't know.
And I remember going for a walk in the snow
with my wife and going like I think I'm done.
I think I'm good. I'm gonna call it and she's like,
what what do you mean call it? Like explain to
me what? Like what the hell Like that's a random
who starts a conversation like that. I don't know. I'm
in debt for this album that nobody's ever gonna hear

(34:52):
because they think it's four years old. We were supposed
to go to Europe and we're not going to Europe.
We tried to go to America, but the visas are like,
not only are the visas hell expensive, but everybody gate
keeps how you're supposed to do it, so none you're
kind of just dealing with the why, the rumor mill
of how you're supposed to appropriately do it so much

(35:15):
so that that's one of the reasons so many Canadian
mans are getting denied their visas is we're guessing how
to do it and it's not working right. I went
straight to the border and I walked into the office
and excuse me, how do I do this properly? Because
I'm gonna come through this board and that guy was
rat He gave me like a checklist of things I
had to do. That's a cool human shout out to
Steve at the Border. You're awesome.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
But so I said to her, like, I've done I
don't know what now. Our van's blown up, so we're
gonna have to fix a van or buy a new
van or like where's that coming from? And we can't
play a local show because all the venues are gone,
and then there's a power vacuum. I'm like, this is
a perfect storm. And I remember my wife's like, yeah,
it's a perfect storm for quitters to show their colors.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Oh. Oh, I like her even more now.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Yeah, I'm like, oh, you bitch. Oh She's like, no, no,
that's fine if you want to give up, which is
you know, I'm married, but like, you know, if that's
if that's where we're at in the evolutionary process, that's it.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
I'm from New York and New Jersey, so that's totally
the way I would talk to somebody too. So I
love that. It's so not a Canadian way of talk.
You guys are too nice, and I'm sorry about everything,
you know, But she she's got the mentality of a
New Yorker right there with that shit.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Yeah it's cool, man. It led to a deeper conversation
that ended up being Ah, I think circumstances are telling
you that it's time to try one more. But I
don't think circumstances are telling you that it's over, because
you still get emails asking about can I buy a shirt?

(36:58):
Or can I buy this? Or can I And you
still get interview requests from time to time. Your publicist
still asks when is there a new record coming? So
she's like, it's not like you put out a new
record and people go, oh, fuck this again, right, So
maybe maybe we plan And that was two and a
half three years ago, we started.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
To plan the CP I blame it on your initials.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Yeah, DJT, Yeah, fair, fair that it's It's funny you
joke about that though, because like when we first started
booking tours, this name.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
I'm doing this because my name is showing up on
the screen right here. This name made people not open
the email because they thought I was an electronic DJ
trying to book a metal concert.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
That's funny, It is so.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Hilarious to me. Thanks Mom and dad.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Maybe just take the take the ample off and now
just sign it DJT and see how they respond. Yeah, yeah,
I don't think you might have gotten this interview.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
We planned an XDP, which was ended up being this
one infinite loss, and we we kind of in the
jam space, had this mentality of an unspoken we're gonna
treat this like it's the last kick at the can.
That's what we're gonna treat this. If we put this out,
I mean, the singer and I literally said this to
each other. Oh, we're outside where nobody else could hear.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
If we put this out and nobody gives a fuck,
I'm done, Like you'll just never hear from me again.
And he's like he's like, yeah, I'm in the same boat.
If we drop something like this and they still don't
give a shit, I think we just shut off the
U r L and we just go to civilian life. Yeah.
I'm like yeah, because there's there's like I don't know

(38:49):
how to put this that doesn't make me get emotional.
But but you you often get compared to other people
when you don't want the comparison. You're like, I'm my
own dude, I'm doing my thing, Leave me alone. Yeah,
but you know it'll be better is if you did
it more like this band.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Because there's that's what I hate about the eighties that
that's what got me away from this industry actually in
the eighties is exactly that.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Man. It's and it's it's still rampant though, Like even
some of our comments are like, yeah, but have you
heard this band instead, or they're just trying to rip
off this man. No, I'm not, Holy shit, man, uh.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
You know, I thought COVID would solve the problem with
all the people that bitching complain, you know, especially with
live music, Like it was so bad when COVID started.
At like every festival I went to, I wouldn't join
the groups or anything because just everybody's complaining. I'm like, oh,
this is the bonus of COVID is people will stop

(39:49):
being baby asses and complaining and start enjoying live music again. No,
they forget, you know, they forget. We didn't have it
for two years and there's still being cry baby bitches.
You know.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
It's nuts. But we literally did everything we could this time.
We rewrote the best songs we could, We hired the
best producer that we felt like. We went out I'll
tell you a secret. It's not really going to be
a secret, becau it would be out there.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Yeah, don't tell anybody we.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Made a laundry list of all the producers we thought
could help the band, and I remember there was a
list of like ten people and we were going to
reach out to all of them and like, you know,
start the bidding war whatever to explain the project. What
are you going to do for us? Blah blah blah,
the whole like business speak. And I remember just speaking

(40:42):
up at it and going like because I'm the business
guy in the band, and I'm like, you know, I
think this is the complete wrong way to do it,
and they're like, what do you mean. I'm like, what, realistically,
in a post COVID world where everybody's just buying a
quad Cortex and Downloadvading Logic on their computer, which one

(41:02):
of these motherfuckers wouldn't say yes to us if we're
willing to pay them whatever they want, right, why don't
we go for the dude that we think is gonna
be fun to hang out with in the room and
actually likes metal and actually has a list of work
that we thought was cool. Not Well, they put out

(41:23):
ten records and two of them are really great. The
other ad and I could kind of like, why would
I pay this asshole money? Right, let's try this. And
I remember the first dude I thought it was the
was who we ended up using. This is the only
dude I even ever messaged. I messaged one dude and
he emailed back and he's like, hey man, that sounds
like a cool project. We should talk details. Got on
the phone, call, talk back and forth, and I'm like, yeah,

(41:44):
this is this is the dude, and but the band
is like that means we uproot our lives and fly
to Atlanta. We're gonna fly to Atlanta and do a record,
which flying to America from Canada is not easy.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
A major ordeal for people, I don't know, not only
a major or deal, but your Canadian dollar over here
sucks ass for you.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Yeah, yes, rus around sixty four cents or sixty five
cents on the doll Yeah, yeah, terrific for us. So
we're in Vancouver. We have to fly to Calgary, have
a three hour layover, and then fly to Atlanta and
then coming home. It was the same, like you, So
we have to do all these multiple and my wife
and I we live we live an hour outside of Vancouver,

(42:32):
so that's an uber ride. After we've land, it's a
whole nightmare. But I'm like, it seems like logistics bro,
Like we get Google Maps involved. We just figured that
this guy wants to work with us. And this guy, like,
the impression I'm getting is similar to what you said
about it not interviewing bands you don't like or whatever. Yeah,
he doesn't seem to just take any ProCheck for the money. Like,

(42:55):
so I think we have a chance here. And he
put out two of my favorite records of the last
ten years anyway, so I'm in. And then yeah, we
meet John. We get to start working with John. John
has a crazy amount of knowledge in the gear and
he goes like, I hear what you guys are doing
for the chorus, but I think it's getting lost in translation.

(43:16):
And the lost in translation is we're gonna do like
I'm making this up because I don't know shit about
this world, but I'm gonna do this to the EQ
when everybody else does this to the EQ, and I
think that's what you guys are doing. And then we
would do it and the chorus came back and we're like,
holy fuck, and then that would end up being like
the chorus in Infinite Loss or the Saint. I see
you have the picture behind you. The Saint was a

(43:38):
lot of John's ideas going like, you know it'd be
cool is if we had this eight bit intro and
then we we just beat the living shit out of
it and we and I remember saying, if we raw
denied them a guitar solo in this track, I think
it would be really cool too, because it has this
build up that you think of solo's coming, and I'm like, ah,
then we do like a soft.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Jazz moment or some shit nice.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
But it was yeah, it was just it was a
good experience to work with him. And then we were
all like, okay, checklist, We've left our home to record
a record. We worked with a top named producer to
record a record. We lived inside of Atlanta for ten days,
where our entire life was making this record, which getting

(44:21):
a three song EP, pre pro tracked, recorded, and pre
mixed in ten days is kind of insane. Yeah, but
we crushed it. Shout out to John and his buddy Alice.
You guys worked your asses off. And then we just
got my buddy Diego to help with the artwork and
I was like, cool man, we'll drop this and if
nobody gives a shit, nobody gives a shit. That's it.

(44:44):
There's literally nothing more I could have done. Rocking chair philosophy.
I'm ninety eight years old on a porch somewhere in
a rocking chair, going like, oh, if only I did
one more? No, fuck it. I did everything in my power, everything.
I maxed out every credit card whatever.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
And then we saw the Saint the track dropped and
we're and we were like, here we go, Like we're
gonna have five views on YouTube. I think it's it's
eight thousand this morning. Nice. Our monthly listeners on Spotify
went from one hundred and twenty nine to at the
peak it was nine thousand. Love it, but what what
is happening? What is happening? I get to meet you

(45:23):
or our publicist calls me and says, I wanted can
I put this record out? I'm like, all right, sure,
Holy shit, it's everybody seems hungry about it. The interview
people I meeting have actually listened to it and seem
really cool about it. So we're like, all right, like cool.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
You know what the moral of this story is, do
every record in Atlanta listen to your wife? Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Rights right?

Speaker 1 (45:51):
God?

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Can you imagine like presenting that to somebody like, because
you must know somebody who's married.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
I've been married twice. Oh okay, I like I don't
know people there.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
To presenting that to someone's wife and be like, hey,
so ten days off work, I'm gonna fly to America
where our dollar is you know, horrific, and uh, we're gonna,
we're gonna, We're gonna pay this dude money to record

(46:26):
us in another country, in another state, when there's another
dude twenty minutes down the road that'll do it for
a third of the price, maybe even like a sixth
of the price. Really, what do you think about that?
Like you mentioned the response.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Like you know what, I agree with all that you said, man,
because like that's how the Black Album came about. As
an example, you know, you have to have the right
producer no matter what it is. And you know you
said something he did that totally reminds me of So
when I started the I actually don't just have a show.

(47:05):
I own a whole radio network, multiple radio stations, podcasting network.
And when I started it, like twenty years ago, one
of my best friends I chose him as my head
engineer because this dude, he was in a metal band
in the eighties. He was in a country rock duo
at that point in time. You know, we would go out,

(47:28):
he'd do gigs. I would always support his gigs, and
he'd always say, I like metal, I like country, and
I like Neil Diamond. And he did. He sang Neil Diamond.
You swore it was Neil Diamond. But then he could
fucking do a killer metal song too, you know. But
one thing I always noticed why I picked him as
my head engineer was he would be at gigs playing guitar,

(47:53):
singing and messing with the mixer board the whole time
he's playing. Because he was a perfectionist in a sound.
So when we first started this network, you know, there
was no word streaming, there was no podcasting word. It
was called internet radio, and it was kind of bad
for the most part because our internet wasn't fast back then.

(48:16):
You had that internet twang, if you remember, there was
this twang that hear like wow, yeah, and so anyway,
he got rid of all that. But then one day
we're sitting in the studio and he had perfected the sound.
As far as I was concerned, I didn't hear a
internet twang, no lag, no nothing. And I'm listening in

(48:37):
the headphones in the studio and he goes, here, let
me play this. You hear that, And I'm like no,
he goes, we have to fix that. I'm like okay.
And that's why it reminded me when you said that,
because he's like he heard something. I had no clue
what was going on. So yeah, okay, go ahead, fix
it if you say so type of thing. So that

(48:57):
reminded me. I'm also going to drop another bomb on you.
Remember I was talking about that record store clerk. Yes,
oh yeah, Well I forgot to tell you his name.
He owned a small record label back then. You might
have heard of it. No, it's not, Oh my god,

(49:18):
go ahead, give a guess. It's sure to fuck sure
to fuck my god. Yeah, I I You know, it's
funny because I saw him several years back and I
had to give him kudos, like it was the first
time I saw him in like years and years, and

(49:39):
I was like, man, I gotta tell you what you
did back then. I was freaking brilliant, you know, And
he was like, yeah, I was just a record store clerk,
Like he really didn't set out to do this massive
marketing like that's something I would actually do as a
business person. I would become a record store clerk so

(49:59):
I push my label. That's not way a bit. He
was a record store Clark started a label man and
just like recommended stuff. But he didn't like do it
as a grand marketing plan. And that's what's genius about him,
because that's why he's still around and still respected in
the metal community because it was for the pure love

(50:21):
of metal period.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
I have a Brian Slagel story, let's hear it. I
really hope that I get the chance to meet him
one day so that I can give him the biggest
hug in the world. Nice because I have friends that
are they're in signed bands on Metal Blade and uh
that's all. I'm not going to say who they are

(50:43):
because I don't want to. I don't want to out
them in this, but they're and they're close with Brian.
So when we were when we were shopping Seismic, the
album that was coming out in twenty twenty, we were
getting nowhere and so I just asked them, I'm like,
you like, what can you just I don't know how
to ask this. I said, can you give this whoever

(51:04):
needs to be given it at Metal Blade and even
if they want to pass, I don't care. I just
can they tell me why? No one answers my submission ever,
Like this is a process that I'm confused about. And
they were like, yeah, yeah, so we'll go ask and
uh when they asked, who would apparently be Brian Brian's

(51:27):
like that band from Canada. Yeah, the I'm saying the
wrong word the board. Whatever, they want to pass, there's
nothing I can do about that. But I really liked
them and I was pushing that record like I was
on this record is fantastic you need and apparently like
he pushed us real hard and they decided to pass

(51:47):
on us obviously.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
But.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Geez man, why why you didn't have to do that?

Speaker 4 (51:53):
Like we're like, wow, shit, man, like you you you
hear stories about like from back in the day and stuff,
and you just kind of like assume.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Maybe over evolving and realizing who he is. It's it's
like he doesn't really do anything anymore like that. And no,
apparently no, he's still like I really like this band
doing something and these guys are cool. Why aren't we
Why do wh aren't they with us? This would be
great that means the world to me. I don't even care.
That's the story I tell about Metal Blade Now, I
don't tell the story that we got past or whatever

(52:26):
I tell that probably actually like liked us. This is cool.
Big hug, Brian, This is me because I'll probably never
see give you a big hug right now.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Well, when they when the CP blows up and you're
playing all the US festivals, maybe maybe then you'll give
them a hug.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
I mean, fingers crossed man. You mentioned Milwaukee dead Fest.
We want to play that so bad. It comes up
all the time in our chats all the time.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Well, I are you, Well I was it was Milwaukee
Metal Fest. Are you talking about Maryland death Fest?

Speaker 2 (52:57):
No, it's the Milwaukee one. I brought up Maryland Deffest,
but it's definitely the Milwaukee one that that Alex our
vocalist talks about all the fucking.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Time, the one that Jamie Josta runs, right, I.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Guess, so I'm ignorant who runs it.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
But yeah, yeah, so that's the one. I was just
at that he took it over. It's been around forever,
but that was gone for a long time and he
took it over, Like I think it was twenty twenty
three or twenty twenty two, and man, I do a
lot of festivals. I loved that festival because it's so

(53:32):
obvious that's run by a musician, a metal musician. Like
that's the problem. Sometimes it's like just like all of it.
Leave the creativity to the creatives, leave the business to suits.
I'm not against like I'm a business person, I'm not
against the business people. But that was my problem back

(53:53):
in the eighties. It's like, so you're taking these bands
and you're changing the way to they look, the way
they sound, and everything else, and yet it worked for
a little while and it got killed because of that. Like,
I think the musicians should decide what goes on with
the creativity part, while the suits decide what the business

(54:17):
part is. I think both parts are needed. So I'm
not saying there shouldn't be business people. I just think
people should know their role, you know, And like me,
I'm type of person like I would trust the band's
creative ability and talent more than my business sense for

(54:37):
that part of it, because there's one big part of it.
When you're a band in record labels telling you how
to play your music, you're not as good because you're
not playing the way you would play, You're not playing
something you would like. So how can you be totally

(54:57):
great at your craft when you're not doing what you
are best at doing? And the fans notice that in
a heartbeat. They notice if you're just dialing it in
or if you just love what you're doing. I'd rather
a band be up on stage loving what they're doing
then somebody that was packaged and it's all fake. And

(55:22):
that's why metal's so big right now is because now
the metal bands can have that creativity. There's more control
nowadays that metal bands have and you know, and that's
where you can see who is the true musicians in.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
My opinion, I mean, that's what drew me to Pantera,
was was dying just beaming the whole time he's out there.
He's like, ah, goddamn, just since I think I even
thinking about this video some more like even the behind
the scenes stuff. When are they not just having fun?

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Now? Now you mentioned anime. Yeah, okay, so I have
a trivia question for you.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Oh I'm so gonna get this wrong, but sure.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
It should be easy. So what drummer who has been
in several bands but was in a band that I
mentioned in this interview and still is, but also is
in a band that has an anime and a movie

(56:33):
on Adult Swim, Gene Hoagland. That's the man. Yep, Death Clock.
Have you seen them live yet? Death Clock? No?

Speaker 2 (56:45):
I keep missing them.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Oh my god, I just saw them. That's why I
thought of it. Oh my god, it was. It's so
insane because and I've actually talked to Gene and basically
they make it all about the anime to live show.
So they're kind of there's no lights on them, very little,
so you can't really see what they look like because

(57:08):
they're showing the anime up on the screen. So they're
playing along with the anime. Awesome, and it's so fucking badass.
And I'm like, just I just sat sit there like
in awe, Like I'm I'm like in shot and it's drumming.
I mean, Jesus Christ, like.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Jean Hoagland's Jeen Hogland cured my depression.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Wow, I want to hear that story.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
It'd be my trivia question for you, but my trivia
questions are horrible. You're going to get this in five seconds.
But so, I'm in my early twenties, I met dime
Bag Daryl. I said, I want to start a band
because of you, and he looked me in the faces like,
to fucking do it.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Brother, that's so a ding way to say it too,
And like.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
He was still midshaking my hand and he made eye
contact and squeezed, you know, He's like, fucking do it, brother,
And I'm like, oh, but you're like dim why He's like,
you'll be up there one day. And there's a venue
in Vancouver called the Croatian Cultural Center at the time
where I saw Damage Plan, which is where I met Dime,
which is where I asked him that question or told
him that statement, and he said it to me. And

(58:20):
literally the next day I started my band. And then
literally a year later, we were playing the stage at
the Cooragian Cultural Center and I was like, holy shit,
It's like this guy is Jesus holy shit. But then
inevitably Dime gets killed and I lose all motivation. I
am beyond depressed because that was my dude, and like

(58:43):
part of your brain is like maybe one day I
could play with him. Yeah, And because there's a cognitive
side to it too, there was like I understand that
Dime is pretty much impenetrable in the world of death
metal and metal guitar. Like everybody loved the guy and
so much so it's like that phrase, like I don't

(59:03):
trust people when they say they don't like dogs, but
I trust a dog when it doesn't like a person.
You're like if somebody says, oh, I didn't like Dimebag
he was a piece of shit, You're like, wow, what's
wrong with you?

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Right?

Speaker 2 (59:16):
But I was super like just I didn't know what
the hell to do. I didn't know what I was
gonna do because I thought Pantera was huge, but Damage
Plan was amazing, like to see dime play live, but
they weren't as big as Pantera, so there was a
chance that my band could possibly play there. There was
no chance in the world my band would play with Panthera.
I realized that, Like, come on, but uh. I called

(59:40):
my buddy Masa, who introduced me to Pantera and metal
and he was in Victoria going to school at the time,
and I went and visited him. I'm like, I'm depressed,
I don't know whatever, and he's like, well, the only
thing we can do is go to a show. And
I got tickets to this band. We should go see
this band and I was like, what the fuck kind
of stupid ass name is Sill? And he's like, oh,

(01:00:04):
they're playing with another man called Explosive Rage Disorder. I
was like, well that's more of a name than syl. Yeah, Like,
this is a stupid name, Sill. And I was ranting
all day about it, and then I would see, like
this is a testament to how moronic I am, because dude,

(01:00:25):
I build this up for dramatic, for dramatic things. Was
it PJ Harvey that did the whole Like and now
you know the rest of the story, Like who was
the guy that did that?

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
That's I mean, I'm giving you one of those moments
when you're like and that man was Bill Gates and
you're like, holy shit. Uh the whole day I'm seeing
strangers on the street. Oh you know what concern I'm
going to Sill. Oh this is freaking dumb. Wow. I
hope they're giving your money back at the door, you moron.

(01:00:57):
And I'm like, and we go to this club it's
called the Sound Garden in Victoria at the time, and
I start playing pool because Explosive Rage Disorders on, I'm like,
this band is awful.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Oh so good.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Yeah, but they they weren't. They weren't.

Speaker 5 (01:01:15):
There was some dude with a record player, like actual
re like and he's just like screaming nonsense over this
record player.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
He opened the show and was the best act of
the night. And I'm like, Sill, this is the stupidest
band name. And they're like, all right, next up is
uh is s Yl and I'm like, yeah, it's pronounced sill.
Who the hell is s yl? And they come out
and they're like, we are strapping young lad, You're not?

(01:01:47):
And I was like what and then they just like
fucking Devin, fucking small club. I I just actually got
goosebumps saying that, remembering that moment just brutal. And the
City had just come out. I don't know if your
hip to Strapping Young lad, but like City had just
come out, so Detox they're starting with that and the

(01:02:08):
drum solo and oh my fucking god, and I'm like,
what is I don't even understand what is happening? Right,
Like I remember like falling over. I'm so confused. And
then Devin just Devin just losing his shit and only
the way Devin could and all his stuff in between
tracks like like, uh, we're strapping, buy our shirts. You

(01:02:32):
buy two t shirts, run for your ugly girlfriend. And
then they would just keep like playing shit. He's like
ladies and gentleman, fuck you, And then he would just
get the crowds losing their mind. I'm like, what is
happening right now? Man? Instant fan? And uh that Gene
Hoguan was playing drums in that fan nice And suddenly

(01:02:54):
I had like a new a new north Star, so
to speak.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
And we must be on some like talk about north Star.
We must be on some kind of like other universe thing,
because stuff keeps coming up during this interview. I just
interviewed Devin recently. Oh my god, Like I can't believe
you brought that up, you know, like so funny and
funniest thing is I brought up something with him Like

(01:03:21):
he did a press conference a few years back at Hellfes,
which is one of the other festivals I cover. Oh
my god, I love that festival. And I just remember
so clearly him just talking about during the press conference
how much tour life is not the dream life and

(01:03:42):
how much it sucks and how much he hates it
and it like he was so brutally honest, and I
brought it up during the interview, like I thought that
was the great shit. Ever I'm like, because I get
that shit too, you know, and part of it is
but I always get from people, oh man, you're living
the dream life. And I'm like, I love doing it,
and part of it's the dream life. But then there's

(01:04:04):
the other parts they don't see same as we a musician,
Like there's parts of that life that is the dream life,
and there's parts of it that are real shit, you know,
and like there's parts of it that is grueling. People
don't realize how grueling is. You know. My youngest daughter
she comes sometimes to a festival with me, and I

(01:04:26):
think she gets it from coming to a festival with me,
because like one time she said, it was halfway through
through the first day and she's like, Dad, I don't
know how you do this every weekend. I'm done already. Yeah,
you know, it wasn't even at the end of the
first day yet. Okay. It's like, I don't think people

(01:04:48):
really realize how hard musicians work by going out and
going on tour and it's you know, it's just insane,
and like the ones are true true musicians. Like this weekend,
I was covering a show of one of my favorite
bands who was right by my house and I've been

(01:05:13):
gone since March, so I just got home and it
was right here. And so like that morning, I sent
an email. I'm like, hey, I was out on tour,
but I need to cover this show tonight. So this
is a band I couldn't see when I was a
teenager that I now can see. And let's see if

(01:05:35):
you know who this band is anyway, because it's a
punk band, the sub Humans. Oh shit, yes, And so
I did something today. I'm actually gonna tell you about this. Okay.
So I did a live last night on my Instagram
and then I when it was done, I shared it

(01:05:57):
as a real and was like I was at the
pit and it was one of my favorite songs. And
I decided, you know what Instagram keeps hocking me, the
boost posts. So I decide this is the one I'm
gonna boost. Okay, So it's like your story before five

(01:06:21):
hundred and seven thousand views so far to a Subhuman's
Instagram post that wasn't theirs, it's mine and literally, okay,
I got I'm looking at as we're speaking, because I
keep getting dings through the whole interview, and I'm like,
what the fuck is going on? Four thousand and five

(01:06:45):
hundred and forty likes and then and look, I did
to a hashtag wrong. I put to religious wars instead
of religious wars. Maybe that's it. Maybe the misspelling the
hashtag is what did it? I don't know, but you
can be assure. You talk about to spend the money

(01:07:05):
and doing things like I always saw about, like I'm
not spending money with these social media like I'm gonna
do it organically. Fuck that, I just spent money to
do boost his bost. I always spent fifty bucks. Okay,
it wasn't even a lot of money, and I'm like,
holy shit, it does work. I also, let's see, let's

(01:07:27):
get the count now. I also my my, uh, I
got almost one thousand followers all since yesterday, all this
since yesterday, Like oh so, more of that story is
maybe it is a good idea to pay these fuckers

(01:07:49):
to boost our shit, okay, because that's insane. I'm like,
I'm gonna go back to every post in my Instagram
and I'm gonna just I'll spend fifty bucks on every
post man, and I'll probably have more followers and more
engagement than you know, DJT.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Definitely this DJT.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
Right, So yeah, yeah, so there there's something for you
too to push this EP like, yeah, I never would
have thought. I thought that's gonna just be a bunch
of bullshit. They're just gonna take my nothing, because that's
what happens with Facebook, even though they own Instagram. But
I've done Facebook before and uh, I don't tell them,

(01:08:37):
but their ads sucked, but Instagram their ads are pretty good.
So I don't know. Maybe meta meta, you know, favors
Instagram bring back my Space? What happened to my Space? Man?

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
That's another. Maybe it's the Tom photo, like we all.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
Well, it took me a while to figure out what
the fuck is with this Tom shit? Like, and why
is he talking to me? Why is he saying Hi,
I'm Tom? He reminded me of fifty first dates? Yeah
right right, So I have one last question for you,
well second to last, okay, and that is why the

(01:09:20):
fuck are Canadian musicians so freaking good? Is it because
your weather sucks so bad?

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
I tell I tell my students, I don't have any friends.
That's that's that's my thing.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Oh well, that's that's part of it, because listen, okay,
I did play drums from like first grade until like
eighth grade. Then I switched the guitar. I sucked at drums.
I sucked because I hated that I had a practice
pad for years. Give me a fucking drum set. I
don't want to play out practice pad. I want to

(01:09:54):
just fucking play. Of course, you have to know how
to do that. So when I finally did get drum set, like,
oh well, I guess I know I need to practice pat.
And then I switched to guitar and had a friend.
He was really good guitar, so I had him give
me guitar lessons. Cool. You know, I used to come

(01:10:16):
over to his garage. We were both the same age,
and you know, he would have a big bud on
the table and we need to do that before the lesson.
But I just remember like doing scales and being like,
fuck this, I'm not playing scales eight hours a day.
And like Randy Rhodes, I saw him live. He was

(01:10:38):
my hero. And then I found out he practiced eight
hours a day, I'm like, I don't have fucking eight
hours a day to practice. Like fun I just want
to go play a gig. You know, that doesn't work
out too well if you can't even do a quarter
or a scale, you know. And so then I switched

(01:10:59):
to some and much easier. I decided to start singing
thrash metal. I don't need I don't need to practice that.
I don't need to learn an instrument. Boy, was I
fucking wrong? Okay, Because that's why I have so much
respect for singers in death metal and metalcore and deathcore

(01:11:20):
and any kind of metal nowadays involves growling and screaming,
because there is serious technique to it. I blew out
my voice right away because I know what the hell
I was doing. I was just screaming. And of course
you can't make it through an hour or even a
half an hour show just screaming without knowing what you're doing,
because your voice. I've done it on my radio show.

(01:11:42):
I've like I've sung I can't even get past one song,
Like I'll do one song and I'll be done. You know,
my thoat's fried? Uh? You know, So I give kudos
to somebody like you that stuck it out, that did
all that work, and as teaching others to do it again.
Having no friends, because that's what it takes to really

(01:12:04):
be good at guitar, have no friends, no life, and
sit in a room and just play it all the time.
You know, I couldn't even take hallucinogenics because then I
would take up my eight hours a time of practicing. Okay,
so uh so, yeah, that's off to you. And my

(01:12:24):
dad did did confirm for me, although I thought you
didn't know what he was talking about at the time.
He's like, you better give that up, you suck. I'm like, Dad,
but you don't understand. I'm experimenting, because that's why. Really,
I wasn't really playing the guitar. I was just seeing
what fucking sounds I can make out of it. And
some of them were really cool to me. I don't

(01:12:46):
know if they were cool because I was high or
could because they were cool. But you know, there's so
much more to it, is my point. And people think
they're just going to pick it up and just do things.
There's so much more to it now. My grandson, on
the other hand, okay, he liked me. I was a
total gamer. I was a total geeky nerd. It wasn't

(01:13:08):
until I found metal that I got a little cool, okay,
and then still be a geeking nerd, you know. And
my grandson he was, he's a gamer nerd and more
so he was. And then so like in around the
same age too. As it happened to me, like two
years ago, he's fifteen. Now, two years ago, I'm like, hey,

(01:13:32):
what do you want for your birthday? He goes, I
want a guitar. I'm like, let's go. And we went
to Guitar Center and he sat down and he was
playing a Green Day song and I'm like, what the fuck?
How did that happen? How you know how to do that?
You know? And then we're riding back in the cart.
Unbeknownst to me, you know, I'm playing them all these

(01:13:56):
bands and he likes them all. The next time i'm
with him, he's wearing a Dead Kennedy shirt. I'm like,
how do you know about that? And so then his
mother last year, she reaches out to me, Yeah, Cole,
and you'll when you see the interview, Cole is the

(01:14:17):
intro to does the party intro to my into my show?

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
And then Chad, the guy that was my head engineer,
he passed away a few years back. He also is
in there. But my grand my grandson, he was little
way d I don't know, like three or four when
he did the intro. It's pretty badass though, so I,
you know, I want to update, but I don't, you know.

(01:14:43):
But anyway, Yeah, Cole wants to know if you can
get him a ticket to Welcome to Rockville, and that's
one of the festivals I do. I'm like, I'm not
getting him a fucking ticket. He's doing pressed with me,
and so like he did get to do that, and

(01:15:05):
and like he just likes all these bands. And then
I gave him the full as my dor in law
put it to my son, the full pipe man experience,
you know. He interviewed bands with me, He got to
meet some of his favorite bands. We were invited to
be up on stage and side stage for some bands.

(01:15:27):
Are his favorites, you know. And and then during Green Day,
I brought him out into the crowd right by where
the pitts were gonna be, and his mom was with us.
I knew she wasn't gonna be able to handle it,
but she didn't think he could handle it. And so
basically she's like, I'm gonna go to back and she

(01:15:52):
She's like, you want to come with me calling He's
like no, and she couldn't believe it, Like she couldn't
believe she thought he want to be at all that.
So he was there in the thick of it. We
were standing in between two pits, and you know, I
told him, you let me know when you want to
get out of here, but for now, here we are.
And if you want to go in the pit, we're

(01:16:13):
going in the pit. And right, I've actually bought I've
actually brought my son in his first pit ever, and
I brought three of my grandsons into their first pits.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
Okay, we need to send you some kind of trophy,
that's what we need to do.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
Right, And I've had two heart attack surfing and I
still go in the pit. You know. So fuck all
the shit that people tell you about age, about you know,
taking these big pharm of drugs and shit. My solution
to being leading a happy, healthy life is a fucking

(01:16:52):
mosh pit. And it's my solution to the world too.
Okay you want to hear my plan? Yes, okay, So
a solution to all the world's problems. We have one
major music festival throughout the whole world, everybody that is
not a leader, meaning not a political leader, is required

(01:17:15):
to attend like required. It's not an optional, it's required,
and it is a metal festival, okay, and everybody has
to go all into the mosh pit and work it out.
Because if everybody just instead of all this bullshit on
social media and all this hate, if everybody just got

(01:17:36):
a mashpit, we'd worked the shit out and can move
on instead of laying these fucking assholes in the world
divide us, you know, And because the bottom line is
they're all on the same team and it ain't fucking hours.
Let's bind, bound together, love each arcas that's what a
metal festival is about, or a metal concert or anything metal.

(01:18:00):
We're not the scary devil worshiping blah blah blah blah blah.
We're a bunch of outcasts that are now in casts
in our own world. And everybody's free to be themselves
and be who they are, and we're all gonna love you,
and we're gonna knock the ship out of each other
in the pit, but we're gonna pick you up when

(01:18:21):
you fall, and after the song's over, we're all gonna
have a big hug because we just fucking mashed it
in the pit.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
Four hundred dude.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
I got to ask, what are you gonna call the festival?

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
That's a good question. I didn't think of that yet,
So I'm glad you brought it up. Uh, I'm gonna
call it the fuck. Fuck the politicians, fuck the media,
let's mosh it out festival.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
Fest.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
There it is, there it is. We got it. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
There's that there's that great We're talking lots about Pantera
because that's my that's my my blood.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
There's that great line off my favorite Panthera record, which
is the great Southern trend kill, And there's that great
line where he says, all the money in the fucking
world wouldn't buy me announce the trust and anything you
assholes are about. And I'm like, oh, oh shit, as
I get older, that just that's thank you, Phil, Thank

(01:19:35):
you Phil.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
Okay. So now you're gonna be fucking pissed at me.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
Oh god.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
Yeah. So uh, I'm friends with this dude. I'm also
friend with this dude's wife, and they and they were
at a festival one day in the media area, game
bombarded by all the media. People like it was a
fucking meet and greet and uh And that's just so

(01:20:01):
I'm not about that, by the way. That's why I
say it the way I do. Like, you're fucking there
to work. It's a safe spot spot for the artist.
It ain't a fucking meet and greet. Like I tell
people that come work a festival with me, don't ask
for an aigraph, don't ask for a uh uh selfie. Period.
So anyway, this person, he's being really nice to everybody

(01:20:24):
signing aigraphs, taking pictures, and his wife calls me over
and he's like, can you do me a favor? Can
you tell him I'm getting pissed it's time to leave.
He's too nice. He won't say no to anybody. So
I walked over to him and I whisper is there,

(01:20:45):
and I'm like, dude, your wife's getting pissed, it's time
to leave.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
Thank god, dude, what you just talked to the It's amazing, man.

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
And it's funny because then after he left, everybody, fuck
it comes up like did this is why? This is
why stop ask acting like that. You're fucking professionals. Okay,
you know there's only there's only really two times I've
really seriously famboyed out. And I've interviewed like over three

(01:21:18):
thousand bands and artists and one of those right now,
exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
It's okay, just a person.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
Yeah, it's only because of your initials. And by the way,
I am doing this interview, recording this interview about fifteen
minutes from Mara a Lago, by the way, so this
is yeah, yeah, yeah, so uh yeah, do you want

(01:21:50):
to not those two times? Okay, So one time I
was interviewing Roy mayergo from Stone Sour on the tours Okay, yeah, yeah.
I get off the tour bus and I go sit
on the curb backstage. I'm smoking a cigarette. Some dude

(01:22:11):
walks over to me and starts talking to me. Now
I knew who he was, but I acted like I didn't.
I played it very cool, and in my head, I'm like, oh,
my fucking god, so and so is talking to me
about the fucking weather, because that's the way he was

(01:22:31):
talking about me. Dude, last night, the weather really sucked
in Georgia, and blah blah blah blah. That was Corey Taylor.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
And I never really interviewed him or anything. In fact,
I got fucked. You want not a COVID fucked but
similar uh you know, So basically I was I was
supposed to interview him one time after that. I was
gonna use it in the interview because it was like
before that that happened. And then, you know, I actually

(01:23:04):
saw him another festival that same year, and I was
like back behind the stage and he comes down and
it's in Florida, so it's fucking high as hell here.
He looks at me and he's like, dude, fucking hot
at shit here, and I'm like, okay, that that was
a pretty cool day, you know, because that was the

(01:23:26):
extent of it, you know. But I'm like, well turned
and said it to me. But anyway, so rocking the range.
They come out to me and they're like, we're bringing
Corey out to you in five minutes for the interview.
Two minutes later, code red. Do you know what code
red means at a music festival? Means you're fucked. It

(01:23:52):
means you're about to get evacuated, not about it's time
you must leave right now, Do not pass go, do
not collect two hundred dollars, do not interview Corey Taylor.
And I've never gotten interview since I've interviewed his wife
multiple times. I love her to death, but again I'm

(01:24:12):
a pro. So a lot of dis will go through
somebody like that to get the interview. I won't do that.
I've never asked her ever. Okay, she wants to promote
her stuff, that's my job. I've interviewed his kid, I've
interviewed Clown's kid. You know, I've never interviewed Corey yet.

(01:24:34):
I say yet exactly, you know. And the thing is,
so that was my one fan by moment when he
sitting I curb smoking a cigarette with me talking about
the fucking weather.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
There's actually three famboy moments. Okay, I forgot about one.
The second fanboy moment. So I was doing award show
and I'm getting it's in LA. I'm down in the garage.
I just paid for my parking thing in the machine
or no, I'm behind somebody in the machine and he's
putting the ticket in and it's not working. And he

(01:25:10):
turns around to me. He goes, man, do you know
how to move? Have work this fucking thing? And I'm like, oh, dude,
that's your receipt. You need your ticket. So he like
yells over to his wife for the ticket. Can't find
a ticket, okay. And so then the security people there

(01:25:31):
they start harassing this dude and I'm like, dude, just
let him go. Do you not know who that is?
And then when they finally did let him go because
I said so, he pulls up to me and he's like,
fucking complicate garage here, man, thanks for the help. Iced Tea. Wow. Yeah,

(01:25:56):
and I and again, I've interviewed body count but not
iced Tea, okay. And so the third moment is another
person I have not interviewed, So it only happens when

(01:26:16):
I'm not interviewing them. If I'm interviewing them, there's no
fanboy moments usually. And so basically, I used to have
this joke on my show of who the love of
my life was, and everybody that listened to my show
used to know who it was. So I'm at this
festival one time and I go do an interview. I

(01:26:36):
had to walk over to this riser to do the interview,
and I'm carrying all my stuff back and my wire
is dragging on the ground. So this really big dude
walks over and picks it up and hands it to me.
Be careful, dude, Like he was totally helpful. So I
go back to my table where my stuff is, and
person that runs media at the festival she's like, sorry,

(01:26:58):
I had to take over your table because so and
so it's going to be doing a signing at your
table and and I'm like, okay, it's cool U And
she jokes with me because she knows me, but she
knows I wouldn't do that anyway, and she goes and
don't ask for an interview. I'm like, okay, you know

(01:27:19):
I won't. Uh So then this person's there doing the
signings and I see other media people going up and
taking selfies with her, so I decide I go up
to I looked to his side and who's that guy
that picked up the wire? It was her security guard.

(01:27:40):
So I went up to him. I'm like, hey, dude,
thanks for helping me out. Do you mind? Can I
get it? And can I get a pick with her?
And I never do that, and he's like, sure, where's
your phone?

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
Another thing I never do. I always have my phone
in my pocket no matter what, except this time I
left it up at the riser where I did the interview.
And I reached to my back pocket. It is out there.
I'm like, fuck me, I'm like, hold on, I'll be
right back, and I ran man and I do have
some wheels, so I ran fast guy at Grandma and

(01:28:19):
then the person raning media said, sorry, she's got to go.
Uh you know, she can't do it. And this was
one of those moments kind of like what you're describing before,
because a lot of media people I talked to, like
sometimes they like to talk shit about certain artists, and
she was one they talk about. But you know, what

(01:28:40):
they talk shit is what I find as because maybe
they don't get an interview, or maybe they're a shitty
interviewer and they don't get a good interview when they're interviewing.
But it's not the artists. Usually it's usually you. And
so I don't listen to that shit, you know, whatever
they say. I'm gonna have my own experience and form
my own opinion. And I did have a very different

(01:29:02):
opinion because she told the person, hey, me and no,
I want to take a picture with him. And she
was so gracious that she put, you know, her hands
on my shoulder and she was like very endearing in
the picture. Me like an idiot. And I'm usually a
very good when it comes to pictures. I know when

(01:29:24):
the camera's around and I just feel it. This time,
my head was kind of fucked up and I was
I like, did one of these? Yah? So I looked
kind of totally stupid in the picture. For sure. That
was Amy Lee.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
Oh wow. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
So like for all the people that would say shit,
she didn't have to do that. That was the nicest
thing anybody could ever do. And I will remember that
forever because she did that. She was totally cool about it,
and I woul totally understood if she had to leave.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
For sure, I've heard that she's just freaking incredibly kind.
I've I've heard that more often than anything else I've heard. Yeah,
that's yeah, and she was I've said for years what
a voice.

Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
Oh my god. Like that's why I always called her
love of my law life, the Goth Queen. But she's
classy too, and that voice, that voice, like that's enough.
I'll tell you what, my immortal, all she have to
do is sing that to me. I wouldn't even have
to have any kind of thing with her, and that

(01:30:37):
would be enough to give me an orgasm. I mean, like,
can you disagree with that. I mean, come up, I'm
here somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
Oh man, oh yeah. When she did that, I think
it's just called broken what either.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah, Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
My god, man. And she makes every song better and when.

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
She and when she tests the song with corn.

Speaker 2 (01:31:13):
Oh MyD the acoustic thing, right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
I like that better than the real version, Like, oh
my god, it's so incredible, you know, which all says
to me. People like her and many other women. I
don't know what the fuck we were thinking in the
eighties either, because the women are way more badass and
metal than the men are. Like you take somebody like

(01:31:38):
Courtney Laplonte, like, oh my god, that voice, that fucking voice,
and I I watch her at festivals like I'm in amazement, okay,
because I watch her mouth and the technique she has.
So when I was talking earlier about me sucking that
singing that no technique, I'm referring to her with the technique.

(01:32:00):
She has got the most badass technique I've ever seen.
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:32:03):
It's like, yeah, and if you if you dig Courtney,
then there has to be an honorable mention to Toddy
from Ginger.

Speaker 1 (01:32:09):
That was next. That was next, Like that one.

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
That one made me I had. I had two reactions
the first time I ever heard Ginger ever, because I
didn't a lot of people discover Ginger through that Pisces
video where they're in they're in the studio whatever. My
first one was, uh, who is gonna be the one
live at a festival and like the the guitar riff,
and like the the bass player and drummer in that

(01:32:34):
band are are phenomenal, Like we need to talk about
those guys. But she comes out and she's got like
something wrapped around her waist, like a skirt style, and
she's like hello everyone, and she's like doing the thing.
And I'm like, all right, well whatever, do your thing,
and she's just and I went like like when a
puppy you whistle at a puppy the first time and
they're like, right, they did this and then accepted I

(01:32:59):
accept you. Oh man, that is unreal. That is awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:33:04):
Oh yeah, She's unbelievable, man, Like there's so many that
are unbelievable, Like these voices, you know, they're just like
they are the masters, Like like who thought they weren't
male enough to be metal because they're more metal than
most males in a lot of cases, I find, you know,

(01:33:26):
and just total badasses. My hat's off to every woman
that's in this industry because they are just the badasses,
and I think their passion is one of the reasons
why metal is as big as it is now. Okay, fair, fair, no,
oh my god like And I hate to say this,

(01:33:50):
but you know, I was side staged for one of
her shows and I didn't even give a shit that
you can't hear shit side sage. Everybody thinks it's cool
to be side stage. You don't hear shit. It's not
really that great, But it was this time because I
was looking at a big ginger pit and then I
was looking at her and I didn't care about anything

(01:34:13):
else like she was. They're just She's just I. You
gotta check this other one out. The band's not around anymore.
If you don't know this band, but I heard she
might start something new. It's been years now, so they
performed at US Festival. It was like their first time

(01:34:34):
at the US Festival. It was It was pretty funny
because you know, sometimes you do have to be careful.
You never know who you're talking to or whatever. And
I experienced that a lot in the media tent, like
you know, the bangarea.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
No, I don't know this.

Speaker 1 (01:34:51):
So they wear all these masks. They're on season of
Miss And I was talking to this woman and we
were just having this whole chat d da da da da,
and then she, uh, uh, that's not the band I
was talking about previously. But uh but uh she said, hey,
do you know where Pipeman is? I have an interview

(01:35:11):
with them. She's singer in a band. And I had
no clue, So like, good thing. I didn't say anything
fucking stupid, which I wouldn't, you know, but you know, uh,
you just never know who you're talking to sometimes when
you do stuff or say stuff or whatever. You know.
I did interviewed Gwar without their stuff on. You know,

(01:35:33):
I've literally said to them point I was at like
a dimebag that bash, you know. And and they were
out at the bar after I interviewed them, and uh,
and they didn't have their shit on it. I walked
up to Blowthor I was like, by way, good move
with the costumes. It's a lot better look for you.

(01:35:54):
But uh, you know, uh but uh so any way,
this span sent hers this really hot chicken. The media
tent and I started to hit on her, but not
like in a bad way. It was more of a
flirtatious way. She had this really killer tattoo on her arm,

(01:36:15):
and I said to her, I'm like, man, and I
don't have any tattoos. And I was like, man, that
tattoo is killer, and I don't normally walk up to
people and say that. And I was being real about it,
but I was hitting on her at the same time.
But it was really just a harmless you know. And
so then I'm standing up by the media table and
she walks up and she goes She asks the people

(01:36:37):
at the media table, where's Pipeman? So I raised my hand. Anyway,
we had an interview. But this girl the reason I
said it, the way that super betite, super hot we
came out of her vocals. You would never imagine in
a million fucking years. She was this petite, long and

(01:37:01):
she created a wall of death for the audience. That
is one of the most brutal ones I've ever seen.
And the name of the band was The Charm the Fury.
So if you've never heard of it, look look it
up and listen to her music and you'll see what
I'm talking about, and look at what she looks like,

(01:37:21):
and then listen to her music and you'll see what
I'm talking about when you hear what comes out of
her mouth.

Speaker 2 (01:37:26):
Dude, crazy, I got one for you. Go ahead, because
you mentioned Courtney Uh, and she's in a band spirit Box.

Speaker 1 (01:37:36):
Reallyox Spboxes, telling me that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:40):
Spearboxes from my my area, like they're from Victoria, which
is on the island we call Vancouver Island. And Courtney
was late to the band, but spirit Box used to
have a different vocalist and went by the name I
Wrestle a Bear Once.

Speaker 1 (01:37:55):
Oh my god, I interviewed a band called I Wrestle.

Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
And I used to love this man because the way
they spelt their name was there was no spaces. I
Wrestled a Bear once. I just thought, this is this
is great. And then the tie into that is I
have an Alex Terrible Mask there who literally wrestles bears,
as we've seen. But that's because he's Russian, and who cares.

Speaker 1 (01:38:23):
It's funny that you brought him up too. See it's
a whole time together because when I'm talking about one
of the most brutal walls of death, I was at
the one that is on the video for Sworry to
Prevail That was at Hellfest. That is like the most brutal,
biggest wall of death in history.

Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:38:42):
But also it's funny you mentioned about him wrestling bears
because Welcome to Rockville this year had a pre party
that was different than any other. It was this event
called Blood for Blood. Did you hear about it?

Speaker 2 (01:38:59):
No? So is this a bare knuckle thing?

Speaker 1 (01:39:02):
Yes? Yes, so Alex uh his band played at that
in the beginning. He fought the headline fight and then
play it at the festival. And I'm like that, dude,
before it even happened, I'm like, what a fucking badass
to play and then have a bare knuckle fight and

(01:39:25):
then play you know, like that's badass. Now he's even
more of a badass because we're gonna tie the whole
Rocky thing together now. In his fight, he got knocked
down multiple times, but he got up real quick, just
like Rocky in one of the movies, like you know,
where he gets up real quick and runs around the ring.

(01:39:47):
He did the same thing. The last shot though, did
shatter him and he he got knocked down. He had
a real problem getting up like he got fucked up up.
I heard his nose got broken. He still performed at
the festival. Yeah, broken nose and still fucking singing like
a badass.

Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
And he's such a nice guy too, Like people probably think, oh,
because he's rushing, he must be blah blah blah. And
I hate stereotypes like that, like just get to know people,
you know, And he is a really nice guy.

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
Have you seen the video of him? Uh, there's a
a series of disabled fans at a show that can't
that can't meet him because there's something that there wasn't
a meet and greet at the show or something, and
the show was, it was huge, but they're down in
their wheelchairs on the rams or whatever to watch the show.

(01:40:45):
And it's like it's a it's a big venue, like
it was nuts. But it's a scenario where the band
waiting area is is quite high up in another thing,
and he just like climbs down the thing to go
and take photos with him and talk to them and
and say hi to all of them. I'm like, that's
really cool of you. But then he climbs back up. Dude,

(01:41:09):
security get an elevator, Like wow, that's great. Just that
whole like, because when I met Dime that the Croatian
cultural center thing. The thing that first of all, the
thing nobody ever talks about about dimeback the characteristic is
how much his voice bellowed in an open area. It
was something like that's pure Texan, I think, but but uh.

(01:41:32):
I remember them coming out of the show. The bus
was right there and there had to be three hundred
people at the barricade waiting to meet him, and he
stopped at every mother fucking person, every single one, and
it was like, hey man, how you doing. Of course
you want a photo, of course, buddy, thanks for coming,
and literally, hey buddy, how you doing? Have tour managers

(01:41:56):
yelling at them that they're late, they got to get
on the road. And I remember this like, because they're
your role models, so you you epitomize what they do
and hopefully take the good parts into your own career.
And I remember him looking at the guy and saying,
Seattle is gonna be there tomorrow, but these.

Speaker 1 (01:42:13):
People won't be nice.

Speaker 2 (01:42:16):
And I remember that just hitting me, going like, if
I ever have this kind of an opportunity, every single
person means something and shout out to me.

Speaker 1 (01:42:27):
You never know whose life you're going to touch and
change forever.

Speaker 2 (01:42:31):
It's crazy, right, And I'm so grateful that was my
role model and not somebody that was egotistical or something like.
I'm so grateful that's who I somehow bonded to. It
was likely because of that kindness.

Speaker 1 (01:42:44):
Likely, yeah, totally. And that's why you Without Mercy needs
to get on the Danny Wimmer festivals in the States, Okay,
because Rita is there all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
Oh my god, Rita, Rita.

Speaker 1 (01:42:59):
So let's make that. Let's make that happen. Without Mercy
needs to be at Danny Wimmer festival pretty please.

Speaker 2 (01:43:08):
She's going by dimebags Hag?

Speaker 1 (01:43:11):
Is she she is?

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
Oh my god, it's so brutal.

Speaker 1 (01:43:16):
And she's so loyal to Don She's so loyal to
Anybody that gives her hate is a bunch of fucking
assholes because she is so true and loyal. And you
know that's why she's dimebags Hag.

Speaker 2 (01:43:32):
Good old Rita, good old Rita. Oh man, yeah, one day,
one day, pretty please.

Speaker 1 (01:43:39):
Well, as soon as this EP blows up, so you know,
there you go. And uh, now I think I'll have
to check, but I think you might be the longest
music interview I've ever done.

Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
An interview. I thought we were just hanging out, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:43:57):
I know right, I know right, And so luckily I
didn't have anything else, hopefully you didn't have anything else,
and so we just shot the shit here and Blabermouth
will pick this up because there's a lot of the
controversial shit that we said during it, and I'm cool
with that. They can pick it up, loud War can

(01:44:17):
pick it up, whoever wants to pick it up. But
this has been an interview without Mercy. Tell everybody how
they can reach out to you. Connect on socials, buy
the EP, stream the EP, get merch and everything else,

(01:44:41):
because after all this time on this interview, if they
don't support your band, they can fuck off and stuff.
Listen to my show.

Speaker 2 (01:44:51):
Holy wow, thanks man, this has been This has honestly
been one of the best things I've ever done. This
is great. Pretty please come find us on social media
handles is without Mercy Bands. That's your Instagram, your YouTube
and stuff. We're really trying to build our YouTube subscribers
and get monetized over there. Please please please, and of
course without mercyband dot com. Send a message to us

(01:45:14):
however you can, and we tend to say, hey, we
like to send free shit too, so you know, never know,
might get something in the mail. That's how this works.

Speaker 1 (01:45:21):
There it is, there, it is. I love it, and uh,
you know, I have to say I have to thank
one person for making this all happen, making this interview happen,
making all that happen. And that's your wife.

Speaker 2 (01:45:38):
Ah aw shout out to Janelle. Woo.

Speaker 1 (01:45:42):
Yeah, fuck you. She's the one that's important.

Speaker 2 (01:45:47):
She's She's also got the best social media handle. It's
mashed Potato Chaser.

Speaker 1 (01:45:53):
Oh my god, that's so funny. Hold on, I'm gonna
have to look that up right now and follow.

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
Oh it's it's it's amazing, it's amazing. I'm like, like,
like you chase, like you chase with mashed potatoes. She's like, yeah,
or I chase after the best mashed potatoes in every town.

Speaker 1 (01:46:09):
Okay, so give it to me.

Speaker 2 (01:46:10):
Again, mashed potato Chaser.

Speaker 1 (01:46:16):
Here it is mashed potato Chaser. There it is, I
have it. I like how even in her pick she
has the hat down, so you really don't see your
face in the profile pick. You see the hat. I
can't tell what it says. Yet I love it. Yeah,
I just I just hit it and zoomed in on it.

(01:46:38):
Oh yeah, that's great with a rainbow. I love that part.
That's fucking great. So when when some random dude just
followed her, you can tell her it is. Oh man,
So there it is. We had a lot of fun.

(01:47:00):
We'll have a lot more fun in the future. But
I don't even know how. I'm gonna have to do
a special edition of my show to play this this
episode because it's so long. Special edition.

Speaker 2 (01:47:16):
It being too long is never a problem.

Speaker 1 (01:47:18):
Yeah, yeah, somebody's gonna have to get bumped. You know.
I'm gonna have to reach back out to you too,
because I have this thing I'm working on. I'm thinking
of doing it starting in another station that is simply
podcasts for bands, that bands do their own podcast and

(01:47:40):
we handle all the hard work, you know, and all
the bullshit that you don't have time to do, don't
like to do, don't want to do, so you can
just show up and do what we just did. So
so yeah, well, when that comes to fruition, you might
be a good candidate for that with your band because
you can hold a conversation for almost two hours, like

(01:48:03):
that's not that's a talent. That's a talent. No dead air,
that's a talent.

Speaker 2 (01:48:08):
And dude, it's felt like ten minutes with you. Man,
this has been fun.

Speaker 1 (01:48:12):
That's the way interviews should be, like, and see, I
love hearing that shit because you're a musician. You know,
we're all artists. You're your own worst critic, and so
like I will get off in the airview and I'll
be like, fuck, I sucked, kind of like Phil said,
and then the band be like, man, that was the
most fun airview I've ever had. Blah blah blah. I'm like, oh, okay,

(01:48:35):
I guess so news to me.

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
Great.

Speaker 1 (01:48:42):
Well, and your music's badass too, so like we wouldn't
have had this interview if your music wasn't badass. So
thank god she pushed you in the beginning and kept
pushing you. Because I have a thing on my desk
right here. I'm also a motivational speaker, so I like
the things she said to you. I've shared stage with
all the big motivational speakers. And one of my favorite

(01:49:03):
lines comes out of one of my favorite books besides mine,
because I do have a published book too. It's called
who Said Life Doesn't Come with an owner's manual, because
my grandmother always said life doesn't come with an owner's manuel.
That pissed me off. Who said that? Okay, But anyway,
this book, my favorite book in that realm, is called

(01:49:25):
The Greatest Salesman in the World, and it's not even
a sales book, but it's by an author by the
name of og Mandino and he has and basically the
book's really cool, as the first half of the book
is this fictional story and the book's only like a
centimeter thick. It's not a big book. But the second

(01:49:45):
half of the book takes you ten months to read
if you follow the instructions, and it's basically these ancient
scrolls and basically you have to read them three times
a day, each scroll, three times a day for thirty days,
and one time of those three times out loud. And
it's basically designed to change your thought process, to create

(01:50:08):
new habits, break old habits. And one of my favorite
scrolls is the one called I Will Persist until I succeed,
and basically it's I will persist until I succeed. I'm
not shape a sheep waiting to be probed by my shepherd.
I'm a lion, and I refuse to walk and talk
with the sheep. The store house of failure is not

(01:50:29):
my destiny. I will persist until I succeed. And it's
basically what your wife was telling you, is the giving up,
the quitting. You know, winners never quit and quitters never win.

Speaker 2 (01:50:43):
And so till your haters ask if you're hiring.

Speaker 1 (01:50:46):
There you go. I love that line too, and no
other line applies more to the music business. Then you're
gonna get a lot of no's before you get the yes.
And so you have survived the no's. This EP is out. Now,
you survived COVID, You survived a lot of things through

(01:51:08):
this career. This is not going to be a loss,
but infant loss will be your win. Thanks buddy, Thanks
for being on the Adventures of Pipe Man, Can't.

Speaker 2 (01:51:23):
Wait for every other time. Thank you for listening to
the Adventures of pipemin im W for CUI Radio.

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