January 22, 2026 • 20 mins
Kid Bookie Announces Powerful New Single ‘Rose McGowan’ Featuring Rose McGowan Out January 20th 2026. Watch The Video.
An anthem of resilience, conviction, and creative rebirth marks a bold new chapter for the acclaimed artist.
Kid Bookie is a boundary-pushing artist celebrated for his genre-blurring sound, raw lyricism, and relentless authenticity. Known for his bold collaborations and fearless voice, Bookie continues to redefine the landscape of alternative and contemporary music.
His latest release, ‘Rose McGowan’, is a striking and emotionally charged collaboration with internationally renowned performer, music artist and best-selling author, Rose McGowan. The track delivers a message that resonates deeply in today’s cultural landscape—one of inner strength, unwavering conviction, and the courage to stand firmly in one’s truth.
The single first took shape when Bookie penned the song during a period of intense creative clarity. Drawn to its message, he shared early fragments of the idea on social media. In a moment of serendipity, Rose McGowan responded. What began as a simple online exchange quickly evolved into a genuine connection grounded in mutual respect, artistic alignment, and shared life philosophies.
“In music culture, using a person’s name of relevance as a title track seems to be a prospect that garners attention or a marketing move to turn heads,” says Bookie. “I enjoy being the antithesis of what people do and wanted to bring light to a special name, Rose McGowan. In history, I feel linear to people who have had to destroy and rebuild—not just themselves but the industries we were created in—to make things flow in different ways. Rose was a muse in that regard. I wanted to make a song about someone who isn’t just a buzzword for attention but who deserves to be highlighted as a potential beacon of changing the world to a large or small degree.” He continues, “We must follow the trail of the mavericks, the transgressors, because being too safe in an industry that prides itself on rebellion and using art to change the world. What better way than to highlight someone of the zeitgeist who did that, for their people and those who feel aligned with the dismantling of the industry bullshit. Salute to the fucking world.”
Their creative partnership grew naturally, and Rose—moved by the song’s purpose and emotional weight—committed to lending her voice and presence to the track. The result is an electrifying blend of Bookie’s dynamic sonic style and McGowan’s unmistakable tone and spirit. This brilliant collaboration stands not only as a testament to artistic synergy but also as a reminder that when creators stand by their convictions, powerful work emerges—work that challenges, heals, and inspires.
"I chose Kid Bookie because the moment I heard him, I knew our collaboration would be electric,” said Rose. “His DM to me in 2024 was direct and real, but hearing the track sealed it. His ability to go from melody to a full-throttle roar over a propulsive beat had purpose and fire.
After years of silence, I arrived in South London with no lyrics and no idea if creativity was still in me. In the studio, I tore a page from an engineer’s manual and wrote my first lyrics in six years. Bookie called it ‘Rose McGowan ft. Rose McGowan’. It was an honour that he named the track after the essence of me before I’d even written a word. Bookie reached across an ocean. I reached back. The rest is this track; this cultural moment. I hope it resonates with all those needing a release with a dose of ascension. I’m mad for it”.
‘Rose McGowan' marks a new era for Kid Bookie—one rooted in confidence, collaboration, and fearless self-expression. With a new album currently in the works, this innovative artist is entering one of the most expansive and creatively adventurous phases of his career.
For further information on Kid Bookie, please contact:
Press: Emma Van Duyts at Public City on evd@publiccitypr.com
Radio & TV: Hayley Codd at Public City on hayley@publiccitypr.com
Rose McGowan www.rosemcg.com
Kid Bookie
- Two-time MOBO AWARD nominated alternative artist & Heavy Music Awards nominated (Best Breakthrough Live Artist) artist.
- Kid Bookie has carved out a unique lane in the UK music scene through a blend of genre-bending ambition and high-profile collaborations.
- Bookie has earnt recognition across both rap and rock circles, highlighted by his acclaimed feature on Hacktivist’s “Armoured Core” and his collaboration “Game” with Slipknot’s Corey Taylor.
Rose McGowan
- Played Tatum Riley in the horror classic Scream but arguably best known for playing Paige Matthews on Charmed.
- Time magazine named her one of the “Silence Breakers” (Person of the Year) in 2017.
- Published a memoir called Brave (2018), where she talks abo
An anthem of resilience, conviction, and creative rebirth marks a bold new chapter for the acclaimed artist.
Kid Bookie is a boundary-pushing artist celebrated for his genre-blurring sound, raw lyricism, and relentless authenticity. Known for his bold collaborations and fearless voice, Bookie continues to redefine the landscape of alternative and contemporary music.
His latest release, ‘Rose McGowan’, is a striking and emotionally charged collaboration with internationally renowned performer, music artist and best-selling author, Rose McGowan. The track delivers a message that resonates deeply in today’s cultural landscape—one of inner strength, unwavering conviction, and the courage to stand firmly in one’s truth.
The single first took shape when Bookie penned the song during a period of intense creative clarity. Drawn to its message, he shared early fragments of the idea on social media. In a moment of serendipity, Rose McGowan responded. What began as a simple online exchange quickly evolved into a genuine connection grounded in mutual respect, artistic alignment, and shared life philosophies.
“In music culture, using a person’s name of relevance as a title track seems to be a prospect that garners attention or a marketing move to turn heads,” says Bookie. “I enjoy being the antithesis of what people do and wanted to bring light to a special name, Rose McGowan. In history, I feel linear to people who have had to destroy and rebuild—not just themselves but the industries we were created in—to make things flow in different ways. Rose was a muse in that regard. I wanted to make a song about someone who isn’t just a buzzword for attention but who deserves to be highlighted as a potential beacon of changing the world to a large or small degree.” He continues, “We must follow the trail of the mavericks, the transgressors, because being too safe in an industry that prides itself on rebellion and using art to change the world. What better way than to highlight someone of the zeitgeist who did that, for their people and those who feel aligned with the dismantling of the industry bullshit. Salute to the fucking world.”
Their creative partnership grew naturally, and Rose—moved by the song’s purpose and emotional weight—committed to lending her voice and presence to the track. The result is an electrifying blend of Bookie’s dynamic sonic style and McGowan’s unmistakable tone and spirit. This brilliant collaboration stands not only as a testament to artistic synergy but also as a reminder that when creators stand by their convictions, powerful work emerges—work that challenges, heals, and inspires.
"I chose Kid Bookie because the moment I heard him, I knew our collaboration would be electric,” said Rose. “His DM to me in 2024 was direct and real, but hearing the track sealed it. His ability to go from melody to a full-throttle roar over a propulsive beat had purpose and fire.
After years of silence, I arrived in South London with no lyrics and no idea if creativity was still in me. In the studio, I tore a page from an engineer’s manual and wrote my first lyrics in six years. Bookie called it ‘Rose McGowan ft. Rose McGowan’. It was an honour that he named the track after the essence of me before I’d even written a word. Bookie reached across an ocean. I reached back. The rest is this track; this cultural moment. I hope it resonates with all those needing a release with a dose of ascension. I’m mad for it”.
‘Rose McGowan' marks a new era for Kid Bookie—one rooted in confidence, collaboration, and fearless self-expression. With a new album currently in the works, this innovative artist is entering one of the most expansive and creatively adventurous phases of his career.
For further information on Kid Bookie, please contact:
Press: Emma Van Duyts at Public City on evd@publiccitypr.com
Radio & TV: Hayley Codd at Public City on hayley@publiccitypr.com
Rose McGowan www.rosemcg.com
Kid Bookie
- Two-time MOBO AWARD nominated alternative artist & Heavy Music Awards nominated (Best Breakthrough Live Artist) artist.
- Kid Bookie has carved out a unique lane in the UK music scene through a blend of genre-bending ambition and high-profile collaborations.
- Bookie has earnt recognition across both rap and rock circles, highlighted by his acclaimed feature on Hacktivist’s “Armoured Core” and his collaboration “Game” with Slipknot’s Corey Taylor.
Rose McGowan
- Played Tatum Riley in the horror classic Scream but arguably best known for playing Paige Matthews on Charmed.
- Time magazine named her one of the “Silence Breakers” (Person of the Year) in 2017.
- Published a memoir called Brave (2018), where she talks abo
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
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here on the Adventures of Pipe Man W four c
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guest because man just released a killer single yesterday, and uh,
I love the whole story about and what he's about.
(00:50):
So let's welcome to the show, kid Bookie. How are you?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I'm wonderful, my friend, mister Pipman, how.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
You I'm doing great, doing great, I gotta say right
off the too. I was laughing because I saw an
interview that Rose and You did where you were talking
about McDonald's and yeah that was cool. So McDonald's and recording.
So how did this all happen? How did this all start?
(01:18):
Tell us the story?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
I guess it's weird.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
I'm a I'm a you know, I'm a big collaborator,
and I'm known for I'm known for sometimes pulling out
things at the bag that I guess not many would do,
but if they had the position, I always think they
should have done it, you.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Know, yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
So I guess. You know, I'm making a project.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I've got loads of friends on this project, you know,
and I guess I'm blessed and fortunate enough to have
those types of friends. But I thought I had this
idea for a record that I wanted to name genuinely
just Rose mc gown. I didn't know Rose at the time. Like,
I was like, I have this song of the named
Rose mc gowan, because you know, it wasn't just about people,
(02:03):
you know, making a person's name of the song for
any reason or you know, for buzzwords. You know, we've
got so many people that just put a woman's name
of a song just to make.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
That ship pop. But I was like, I was like,
oh good bad. I was like stop it. So I
was like, a sorry, sorry.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
That's all right. That I don't know if it's a
he or she but wants to be on the show
is the.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Problem clearly clearly does.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
But ultimately it was just getting like I just wanted
to make a song with someone who's like a monolith
in this culture and aligned myself with them on the
record if I could, And the alchemy brought it to fruition,
So what can you do about the universe and putting
that sentiments that come.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Right back to you.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I know, man, it's so badass and what a great song.
And see the song also brings me back to you know,
like decades ago of how music was longer, and you
kind of went on a journey and it's like you
didn't even know what to expect. Like you take the
(03:16):
old school metal, you really didn't know what to expect.
You took a song like Battery by Metallica, and if
you listen to it for only ten seconds, you missed
the shocker in that came writer, you know. And I
felt that same way about this song. I'm listening to
it and then all of a sudden it turns into
(03:37):
this like brutal screaming. That was so badass And I
just love combining like the melody with the brutal metal
and just bending all the genres to make something unique.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I think if you're not well, too many just might
be their first introduction to me, especially if they are more,
you know, just fans of Rose McGowan away from music.
And but this is a thesis I play with in
all of my stuff, you know, this is like pure identity.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
This is not.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
It's not hard, and it's like it's natural because I'm
a student of the game. So coming into this game
and studying it first and foremost, but also being able
to be friends of the people that have taught me
a lot of what I've known in this music industry,
is like, how can I not mix them so affluently?
You know, they're both literally genome patterns in my coding. Man, Like,
(04:32):
they're like my, my, you split, my you split my
wrist notes come out of that ship, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
So it's like, I'm that's what's what I believe.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
So it's like I'm the I'm the generation that grew
up on such an amalgamation of sounds. It's like, it's
almost you're doing yourself a disservice to not pay homage
to the to the to what's in you.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
No doubt, and that's why I love about you. From
everything I've seen, You're like just true to yourself. You
don't really care what anybody thinks. You're gonna be true
to your own values.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
More I began to start caring just a little bit.
I'll be real with you.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I had to I went too far into the no
Fox given and I had to come back.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I know, right, Sometimes that does happen, but you know
it's still You're still being real and you're still being you.
And I think that's what's so cool about this song
because I think Rose is super cool and the fact
that you guys collaborated for something that I think it's
like been six years since she's even written any lyrics.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Yeah, it's you know it is.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
You know, sometimes I have to detach myself from like
Kid Bookie, the artists and kind of put myself back
into Tyrone, the normal dude that you know, who was
just a civilian on earth, like you know, the orgasm
that won the race, that's what I am. So like,
I have to sometimes go, wait a minute, you know
where I come from in South London, you don't. I
didn't know anybody, Like there's nobody I didn't know anybody,
(05:57):
like you know what I'm saying. It's literally it was
just me and and and the whistle of the wind.
And you know, so I guess I do sometimes when
I do step back and take look at the triumphs,
but it's hard to sometimes count them, like I'm really weird.
I don't like I don't like to get excited too
much because I know how quick excitement runs out. But
that's because I'm experiencing my industry like I've had it,
(06:20):
ole and I've had it, I've had nothing.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
So I'm like, all right, let me, let me focus
and be very well.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
It's not even about being humble, because humble is such
a weird word, but it's humility through the sections like cool,
we've done this thing. You you you can pull this together.
So you clearly are you have you know what I mean,
You have your magic in you. You can pull things together,
whether or not you have to make people believe in
your magic's a whole other level of magic itself.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
But yeah, you know, to be able.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
To bring people out of their I would say their
own brain, because the reality is it was just her
choice and not you know.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
It is it is being inside your own head exactly.
And you know, I get what you're saying too, because
there's pipe Man and then there's Dean. Okay and Dean.
Even my ex wife confuses it, okay, Like she'll listen
to my radio show and she'll be like, she'll call
(07:17):
one of my kids, what the fuck happeny your father
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. And then she
thinks I'm like this different person. It's like there's there's
multiple facets of our personality, you know, and like and
I think that's the way everybody should be personally. I
joke around on the show and I say I'm schizophrenic,
(07:38):
but really it's just normal. You have different sides of
you and different roles you play in your life, you know,
in general.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Is every moment of mood and shade of who you are,
you know, And I think that's what I guess.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
It's weird.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
And I always say I relate to the crazy. So
if you are one of the craziest, so you know.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Well they always say I track the crazies. So are
the same wavelength.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Guys, We're walking a very fine line of schizophrenia. So
you know, it's and that's the thing. I'm so emboldened
in my individuality, not to not just to serve it
as this lawless, go fuck yourself mantra, but but but
knowing that a lot of people project so much upon
(08:26):
you that you start to rewire your own brain signapses
to other people, thinking where I've you know, I've had
to really fight hard to trust myself more than anyone
else because people make you not trust yourself and the
only person you should trust. You need to learn to
trust yourself because you have to make decisions every day
through whether they're choices of desperation, choices of happiness, sadness, whatever.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
You need to be very centered when you're going, when
you're not, when you're.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Not even centered, So you know, learning to be, like
I said, operating through all of these places and knowing
who I want to be because I have been every
shade of a man I don't want to be. So
I like painting from the palette of the colors that
I choose to be today, you know, I love and
so yeah, it's nice to have people recognize that that
(09:15):
that you know that I don't even know if it's
just being yourself, man, but it's like that many people are,
they're lost because everyone keep telling they listen to everyone
telling them how to be, but most people don't.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Even listen to their own advice. So I don't want
to tell nobody had to be.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I would always just say, take what's natural to you
and manipulate it for.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yourself and people can tell. People can tell when you're
being natural or if you're being what other people want
you to be type of thing. And you know, I
do want to clarify because even though you have you
know you or you and you don't give a fuck,
but you do give a fuck. You just give a
fucking the right places. And that's why I have a
(09:55):
song like this like Rose McGowan and actually feature McGowan
in it, because she's somebody that does give a fuck
about a lot of things. And that tells me something
about you, because you guys wouldn't be clabbing unless you
did give a fuck, but you give a fuck about
the right things, like human beings.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Oh you know what, Like it's she's a she's she's
her own beast, you know, And I'm my own beast too,
And I think I think the I think that's what
allows us to kind of get on, because you know,
we're not just trying to appease each other's happiness when
you're not even like when it's just like hey hey, hey,
hey hey, you know that's like I don't have those
(10:36):
relationships with anybody, so we are, you know, And I
guess me being a very extreme character sometimes from the jump.
I always say, you will know where you sit with me,
and I'll probably know where I sit with you, just
because you know, we're not just a bag of bones.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
We are vibing frequency. You know, we have brains for
certain reasons.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
So you know, it's it's it's you know, and I
try not to assume, so I won't assume who you
are about them, but with five and it's will allow
me to create a nice picture and run with the
that potential picture as a sterity, you know. But so Roses,
you know, we we are We're very linear and relative
in that kind of facet of just we're very open
(11:13):
towards each other, whether we both like it or not.
But that's the power of growth. It's knowing that it's
not about what you both like or not. It's just
about the betterment of remove ourselves from something and what
is the betterment of this thing we're doing. And you
know that's that's an enjoyable prospect for anyone you want
to work with.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
I agree with that million percent just in general, Like
I just think I did a Poston the other day
because of course, you know, all the bullshit going on
in my country and it's like people. Just like if
people aren't intentionally harming other people, accept them for who
they are and you know, get to know them for
(11:51):
who they are and opposed to who you want them
to be.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
You know, like you said, was intent?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, exactly, exactly. And the fact that the matter is
is we all come from different backgrounds, different upbringings, different geographics,
different influences, friends, variables, family, that we're all going to
have different opinions about things. Maybe we could learn from
each other instead of fighting with each other because we
(12:19):
don't agree, you know. And I think people should speak
their mind. If they have good intentions, they should speak
their mind, whether you agree with them or not.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
And that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I think everyone likes to know it all right, So
no one's got room to learn anything because people think
they're operating from their level of understanding in their place
of thinking. That sometimes, depending on how you think, might
put a guard up to you thinking how you absorb
other people's thinking. I'm very open, Like you know, the
man on the street with nothing can teach me a lot,
not just because he's got nothing. But I don't even
(12:52):
know what he's saying or what his thoughts are. But
when you get into the when you get into speaking,
speaking is just a flow state of consciousness, and the
more people becomes when you speak, the more you start
to understand about them, and the more you learn.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
So I'm always open to learning. Like I'm I think,
I guess.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
People always said to me, like my my biggest problem
in this industry is that I'm so And maybe it is,
but I'm so like I don't. I'm not like no
matter what depresses say about me or I'm the this thing,
I'm I'm just a dude with scars on his body,
like I never.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
I'm not out here to be famous. I don't give
a fuck about Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I don't care about the mannerisms I need to keep
for someone to take a photo and looking I don't
give a fuck.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I'll put my asshole out there on the camera and
probably far whilst doing it, you know, so.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Like you like, don't like, and that will make the
person who's who's trying to be the glass frame without
the crack fucking fall over and shatter to a thousand pieces.
But sometimes they need that because I hate fucking perfect
shit and I don't want to be around it. I
don't want to associate with it. I enjoy the visceral
nature of human beings and all of their forms. If
(13:56):
you're a bit unhinged, and you know, find out where
where it places best and just learn how you learn
your method to your chaos or method to your madness.
I'm a man who's lived in so much chaos that
I found peace in it. But now it's more like
I don't want to. I'm not even angry like that anymore.
So I'm more like, it's just nice to It's nice
to operate from places of thinking and states of being
(14:19):
where they are just literally from a neutral place, and
I don't add any disdain, malice or whatever my intent is.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I do my best.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I try not to assume, I don't take anything personal
and blah blah blah blah blah. I might fail tomorrow,
but as long as I keep remembering, it allows me
to keep reshaping those thoughts I have to go through
and paint from this palette I said, I want to
be you.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Know, I love it. It's so true too, because like
when we live in chaos, which I have too, it's
like you become comfortable with it and then it isn't
until you decide not to live in that chaos that
you realize how uncomfortable it was. You think you were comfortable.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, oh my god, yes yeah yeah, yeah yeah, but
everyone aids you because sometimes your chaos is what's bringing
their their pleasure because oh.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah, they don't want you to change, they don't want
I know people in my life when I've made changes
that were better for me, they didn't like it because
it wasn't better for them.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Unfamiliar, right, So we like familiarity in patterns, and humans
live in patterns, and when you break a pattern, they
there's no fault to jump to because they normally jump
to the next sport. But I don't mind scattering my
thoughts around and kind of reshaping what ways I need
to think because everything al needs a different tandem, you know. Yeah,
(15:41):
so yeah it is, it's weird. It's not weird at all.
Actually it's quite simple.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
But we are around people that enjoy putting complex scenarios
in the simple situations when all they require is sometimes
yes or no exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
And this is all This is why you're such a
true artist, Because to me, the artists at last are
the ones that think like you. They're not the ones
looking to get rich and famous. They're not the ones
looking to become a celebrity. Usually it's the exact opposite.
You know. You take somebody like Kurt Cobain, he hated it,
(16:15):
and you know he would rather just sit in the
hotel room and play his guitar with Courtney, you know,
instead of being out there with everybody like, oh my god,
oh my god. And that's the truth, dude.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I get vetted every single time people want me to
be on something, and I just literally like, you know,
the more you've just done this to me, the more
you've made my brain oppose everything you've just told. And
it's like, I hate it, but was just like almost
molding a shape of you to be presented to people
for a wider taste.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
But I'm like, you don't know what they want.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
You have no idea what people want, and you can't
decide that until they've given it. Because you can hand
people two folks that look like exactly the same and
one might just have a small point at the top,
and it's like it's just their preference, don't fucking know,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
And it's like, so most of the time, I've always
been like, ah.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Bookie, like can you And I'm like no, no, because
every time I leave the thing that you told me
I shouldn't been doing, you sitting in the game that
was amazing, And I'm like, you're so used to conventional
bullshit that when you really get shit, that's not bullshit.
And it's just shit with no sugar on top of it,
not shit coated sugar. It's just a pile of shit
(17:27):
and it's just there for you to look at without
having to question and put under the microscope.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
It's just shit.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
People don't know what to fucking do because they want
to explain this shit. They want to explain the ridges
off the edge of that fucking pooh, and it's just shit,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, yeah, I love it, but I will say Rose
McGowan featuring Rose McGowan is definitely not shit. It's a
badass song and everybody's gonna check it out. How do
they connect to you on socials, on the web, how
they get the new song? Check out all your other stuff.
You've also done a lot of other great collapse and
(18:04):
some great songs with Corey Taylor, So let's share with
everybody how they can connect to you, and we could
make this message even bigger and stronger.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
You can connect to me by just I don't know,
clicking my handle and having a gander upon the pages
of the content I have to put out and the
selective little writings are put on Twitter and making a
big formation of who I potentially can be. And then
you can message me in and I'll respond longer, and
then you go, ah, now I've got a little personal
thing into it.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
And then all of a sudden you've got a parasocial relationship.
But there we go.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
That's where you can catch me, or you can just
find me on the streets lingering finding out what's going on.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
There you go, well, do you have any final words
for our listeners that we haven't covered larray that you
want to let them know that's coming up? And of course, oh,
we didn't talk about that. Your tour as well.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
I am not currently got any tours in the pipeline,
but when I when I do, they'll be announced nice.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
So everybody connect connect on socials to kid Bookie so
you can see when that tour is gonna happen, and
uh so you can see all the new music and everything.
And thanks a lot for you know, giving a what
I call a positive voice to the world when we
need it most. And thanks for being on the Adventures
(19:28):
of Pipemin.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Then you look into W Bourdy Radio with the Pipeline
make It Bookie, go walking stills but don't do it.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pipelin.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
I'm w for c u I Radio.
Hi, you donto censure.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm w for see wow for you young.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
A thick picture, Benn, And I'm the post.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Everyone should know people want to try out up the
gun inside of the house.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Ap she should show.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
How close criggle a home. This is the pipe Man
here on the Adventures of Pipe Man W four c
Y Radio. And I am very excited about our next
guest because man just released a killer single yesterday, and uh,
I love the whole story about and what he's about.
(00:50):
So let's welcome to the show, kid Bookie. How are you?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I'm wonderful, my friend, mister Pipman, how.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
You I'm doing great, doing great, I gotta say right
off the too. I was laughing because I saw an
interview that Rose and You did where you were talking
about McDonald's and yeah that was cool. So McDonald's and recording.
So how did this all happen? How did this all start?
(01:18):
Tell us the story?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
I guess it's weird.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
I'm a I'm a you know, I'm a big collaborator,
and I'm known for I'm known for sometimes pulling out
things at the bag that I guess not many would do,
but if they had the position, I always think they
should have done it, you.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Know, yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
So I guess. You know, I'm making a project.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I've got loads of friends on this project, you know,
and I guess I'm blessed and fortunate enough to have
those types of friends. But I thought I had this
idea for a record that I wanted to name genuinely
just Rose mc gown. I didn't know Rose at the time. Like,
I was like, I have this song of the named
Rose mc gowan, because you know, it wasn't just about people,
(02:03):
you know, making a person's name of the song for
any reason or you know, for buzzwords. You know, we've
got so many people that just put a woman's name
of a song just to make.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
That ship pop. But I was like, I was like,
oh good bad. I was like stop it. So I
was like, a sorry, sorry.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
That's all right. That I don't know if it's a
he or she but wants to be on the show
is the.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Problem clearly clearly does.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
But ultimately it was just getting like I just wanted
to make a song with someone who's like a monolith
in this culture and aligned myself with them on the
record if I could, And the alchemy brought it to fruition,
So what can you do about the universe and putting
that sentiments that come.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Right back to you.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I know, man, it's so badass and what a great song.
And see the song also brings me back to you know,
like decades ago of how music was longer, and you
kind of went on a journey and it's like you
didn't even know what to expect. Like you take the
(03:16):
old school metal, you really didn't know what to expect.
You took a song like Battery by Metallica, and if
you listen to it for only ten seconds, you missed
the shocker in that came writer, you know. And I
felt that same way about this song. I'm listening to
it and then all of a sudden it turns into
(03:37):
this like brutal screaming. That was so badass And I
just love combining like the melody with the brutal metal
and just bending all the genres to make something unique.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I think if you're not well, too many just might
be their first introduction to me, especially if they are more,
you know, just fans of Rose McGowan away from music.
And but this is a thesis I play with in
all of my stuff, you know, this is like pure identity.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
This is not.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
It's not hard, and it's like it's natural because I'm
a student of the game. So coming into this game
and studying it first and foremost, but also being able
to be friends of the people that have taught me
a lot of what I've known in this music industry,
is like, how can I not mix them so affluently?
You know, they're both literally genome patterns in my coding. Man, Like,
(04:32):
they're like my, my, you split, my you split my
wrist notes come out of that ship, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
So it's like, I'm that's what's what I believe.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
So it's like I'm the I'm the generation that grew
up on such an amalgamation of sounds. It's like, it's
almost you're doing yourself a disservice to not pay homage
to the to the to what's in you.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
No doubt, and that's why I love about you. From
everything I've seen, You're like just true to yourself. You
don't really care what anybody thinks. You're gonna be true
to your own values.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
More I began to start caring just a little bit.
I'll be real with you.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I had to I went too far into the no
Fox given and I had to come back.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I know, right, Sometimes that does happen, but you know
it's still You're still being real and you're still being you.
And I think that's what's so cool about this song
because I think Rose is super cool and the fact
that you guys collaborated for something that I think it's
like been six years since she's even written any lyrics.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Yeah, it's you know it is.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
You know, sometimes I have to detach myself from like
Kid Bookie, the artists and kind of put myself back
into Tyrone, the normal dude that you know, who was
just a civilian on earth, like you know, the orgasm
that won the race, that's what I am. So like,
I have to sometimes go, wait a minute, you know
where I come from in South London, you don't. I
didn't know anybody, Like there's nobody I didn't know anybody,
(05:57):
like you know what I'm saying. It's literally it was
just me and and and the whistle of the wind.
And you know, so I guess I do sometimes when
I do step back and take look at the triumphs,
but it's hard to sometimes count them, like I'm really weird.
I don't like I don't like to get excited too
much because I know how quick excitement runs out. But
that's because I'm experiencing my industry like I've had it,
(06:20):
ole and I've had it, I've had nothing.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
So I'm like, all right, let me, let me focus
and be very well.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
It's not even about being humble, because humble is such
a weird word, but it's humility through the sections like cool,
we've done this thing. You you you can pull this together.
So you clearly are you have you know what I mean,
You have your magic in you. You can pull things together,
whether or not you have to make people believe in
your magic's a whole other level of magic itself.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
But yeah, you know, to be able.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
To bring people out of their I would say their
own brain, because the reality is it was just her
choice and not you know.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
It is it is being inside your own head exactly.
And you know, I get what you're saying too, because
there's pipe Man and then there's Dean. Okay and Dean.
Even my ex wife confuses it, okay, Like she'll listen
to my radio show and she'll be like, she'll call
(07:17):
one of my kids, what the fuck happeny your father
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. And then she
thinks I'm like this different person. It's like there's there's
multiple facets of our personality, you know, and like and
I think that's the way everybody should be personally. I
joke around on the show and I say I'm schizophrenic,
(07:38):
but really it's just normal. You have different sides of
you and different roles you play in your life, you know,
in general.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Is every moment of mood and shade of who you are,
you know, And I think that's what I guess.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
It's weird.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
And I always say I relate to the crazy. So
if you are one of the craziest, so you know.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Well they always say I track the crazies. So are
the same wavelength.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Guys, We're walking a very fine line of schizophrenia. So
you know, it's and that's the thing. I'm so emboldened
in my individuality, not to not just to serve it
as this lawless, go fuck yourself mantra, but but but
knowing that a lot of people project so much upon
(08:26):
you that you start to rewire your own brain signapses
to other people, thinking where I've you know, I've had
to really fight hard to trust myself more than anyone
else because people make you not trust yourself and the
only person you should trust. You need to learn to
trust yourself because you have to make decisions every day
through whether they're choices of desperation, choices of happiness, sadness, whatever.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
You need to be very centered when you're going, when
you're not, when you're.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Not even centered, So you know, learning to be, like
I said, operating through all of these places and knowing
who I want to be because I have been every
shade of a man I don't want to be. So
I like painting from the palette of the colors that
I choose to be today, you know, I love and
so yeah, it's nice to have people recognize that that
(09:15):
that you know that I don't even know if it's
just being yourself, man, but it's like that many people are,
they're lost because everyone keep telling they listen to everyone
telling them how to be, but most people don't.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Even listen to their own advice. So I don't want
to tell nobody had to be.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I would always just say, take what's natural to you
and manipulate it for.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yourself and people can tell. People can tell when you're
being natural or if you're being what other people want
you to be type of thing. And you know, I
do want to clarify because even though you have you
know you or you and you don't give a fuck,
but you do give a fuck. You just give a
fucking the right places. And that's why I have a
(09:55):
song like this like Rose McGowan and actually feature McGowan
in it, because she's somebody that does give a fuck
about a lot of things. And that tells me something
about you, because you guys wouldn't be clabbing unless you
did give a fuck, but you give a fuck about
the right things, like human beings.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Oh you know what, Like it's she's a she's she's
her own beast, you know, And I'm my own beast too,
And I think I think the I think that's what
allows us to kind of get on, because you know,
we're not just trying to appease each other's happiness when
you're not even like when it's just like hey hey, hey,
hey hey, you know that's like I don't have those
(10:36):
relationships with anybody, so we are, you know, And I
guess me being a very extreme character sometimes from the jump.
I always say, you will know where you sit with me,
and I'll probably know where I sit with you, just
because you know, we're not just a bag of bones.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
We are vibing frequency. You know, we have brains for
certain reasons.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
So you know, it's it's it's you know, and I
try not to assume, so I won't assume who you
are about them, but with five and it's will allow
me to create a nice picture and run with the
that potential picture as a sterity, you know. But so Roses,
you know, we we are We're very linear and relative
in that kind of facet of just we're very open
(11:13):
towards each other, whether we both like it or not.
But that's the power of growth. It's knowing that it's
not about what you both like or not. It's just
about the betterment of remove ourselves from something and what
is the betterment of this thing we're doing. And you
know that's that's an enjoyable prospect for anyone you want
to work with.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
I agree with that million percent just in general, Like
I just think I did a Poston the other day
because of course, you know, all the bullshit going on
in my country and it's like people. Just like if
people aren't intentionally harming other people, accept them for who
they are and you know, get to know them for
(11:51):
who they are and opposed to who you want them
to be.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
You know, like you said, was intent?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, exactly, exactly. And the fact that the matter is
is we all come from different backgrounds, different upbringings, different geographics,
different influences, friends, variables, family, that we're all going to
have different opinions about things. Maybe we could learn from
each other instead of fighting with each other because we
(12:19):
don't agree, you know. And I think people should speak
their mind. If they have good intentions, they should speak
their mind, whether you agree with them or not.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
And that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I think everyone likes to know it all right, So
no one's got room to learn anything because people think
they're operating from their level of understanding in their place
of thinking. That sometimes, depending on how you think, might
put a guard up to you thinking how you absorb
other people's thinking. I'm very open, Like you know, the
man on the street with nothing can teach me a lot,
not just because he's got nothing. But I don't even
(12:52):
know what he's saying or what his thoughts are. But
when you get into the when you get into speaking,
speaking is just a flow state of consciousness, and the
more people becomes when you speak, the more you start
to understand about them, and the more you learn.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
So I'm always open to learning. Like I'm I think,
I guess.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
People always said to me, like my my biggest problem
in this industry is that I'm so And maybe it is,
but I'm so like I don't. I'm not like no
matter what depresses say about me or I'm the this thing,
I'm I'm just a dude with scars on his body,
like I never.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
I'm not out here to be famous. I don't give
a fuck about Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I don't care about the mannerisms I need to keep
for someone to take a photo and looking I don't
give a fuck.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I'll put my asshole out there on the camera and
probably far whilst doing it, you know, so.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Like you like, don't like, and that will make the
person who's who's trying to be the glass frame without
the crack fucking fall over and shatter to a thousand pieces.
But sometimes they need that because I hate fucking perfect
shit and I don't want to be around it. I
don't want to associate with it. I enjoy the visceral
nature of human beings and all of their forms. If
(13:56):
you're a bit unhinged, and you know, find out where
where it places best and just learn how you learn
your method to your chaos or method to your madness.
I'm a man who's lived in so much chaos that
I found peace in it. But now it's more like
I don't want to. I'm not even angry like that anymore.
So I'm more like, it's just nice to It's nice
to operate from places of thinking and states of being
(14:19):
where they are just literally from a neutral place, and
I don't add any disdain, malice or whatever my intent is.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I do my best.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I try not to assume, I don't take anything personal
and blah blah blah blah blah. I might fail tomorrow,
but as long as I keep remembering, it allows me
to keep reshaping those thoughts I have to go through
and paint from this palette I said, I want to
be you.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Know, I love it. It's so true too, because like
when we live in chaos, which I have too, it's
like you become comfortable with it and then it isn't
until you decide not to live in that chaos that
you realize how uncomfortable it was. You think you were comfortable.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, oh my god, yes yeah yeah, yeah yeah, but
everyone aids you because sometimes your chaos is what's bringing
their their pleasure because oh.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah, they don't want you to change, they don't want
I know people in my life when I've made changes
that were better for me, they didn't like it because
it wasn't better for them.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Unfamiliar, right, So we like familiarity in patterns, and humans
live in patterns, and when you break a pattern, they
there's no fault to jump to because they normally jump
to the next sport. But I don't mind scattering my
thoughts around and kind of reshaping what ways I need
to think because everything al needs a different tandem, you know. Yeah,
(15:41):
so yeah it is, it's weird. It's not weird at all.
Actually it's quite simple.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
But we are around people that enjoy putting complex scenarios
in the simple situations when all they require is sometimes
yes or no exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
And this is all This is why you're such a
true artist, Because to me, the artists at last are
the ones that think like you. They're not the ones
looking to get rich and famous. They're not the ones
looking to become a celebrity. Usually it's the exact opposite.
You know. You take somebody like Kurt Cobain, he hated it,
(16:15):
and you know he would rather just sit in the
hotel room and play his guitar with Courtney, you know,
instead of being out there with everybody like, oh my god,
oh my god. And that's the truth, dude.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I get vetted every single time people want me to
be on something, and I just literally like, you know,
the more you've just done this to me, the more
you've made my brain oppose everything you've just told. And
it's like, I hate it, but was just like almost
molding a shape of you to be presented to people
for a wider taste.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
But I'm like, you don't know what they want.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
You have no idea what people want, and you can't
decide that until they've given it. Because you can hand
people two folks that look like exactly the same and
one might just have a small point at the top,
and it's like it's just their preference, don't fucking know,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
And it's like, so most of the time, I've always
been like, ah.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Bookie, like can you And I'm like no, no, because
every time I leave the thing that you told me
I shouldn't been doing, you sitting in the game that
was amazing, And I'm like, you're so used to conventional
bullshit that when you really get shit, that's not bullshit.
And it's just shit with no sugar on top of it,
not shit coated sugar. It's just a pile of shit
(17:27):
and it's just there for you to look at without
having to question and put under the microscope.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
It's just shit.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
People don't know what to fucking do because they want
to explain this shit. They want to explain the ridges
off the edge of that fucking pooh, and it's just shit,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, yeah, I love it, but I will say Rose
McGowan featuring Rose McGowan is definitely not shit. It's a
badass song and everybody's gonna check it out. How do
they connect to you on socials, on the web, how
they get the new song? Check out all your other stuff.
You've also done a lot of other great collapse and
(18:04):
some great songs with Corey Taylor, So let's share with
everybody how they can connect to you, and we could
make this message even bigger and stronger.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
You can connect to me by just I don't know,
clicking my handle and having a gander upon the pages
of the content I have to put out and the
selective little writings are put on Twitter and making a
big formation of who I potentially can be. And then
you can message me in and I'll respond longer, and
then you go, ah, now I've got a little personal
thing into it.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
And then all of a sudden you've got a parasocial relationship.
But there we go.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
That's where you can catch me, or you can just
find me on the streets lingering finding out what's going on.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
There you go, well, do you have any final words
for our listeners that we haven't covered larray that you
want to let them know that's coming up? And of course, oh,
we didn't talk about that. Your tour as well.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
I am not currently got any tours in the pipeline,
but when I when I do, they'll be announced nice.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
So everybody connect connect on socials to kid Bookie so
you can see when that tour is gonna happen, and
uh so you can see all the new music and everything.
And thanks a lot for you know, giving a what
I call a positive voice to the world when we
need it most. And thanks for being on the Adventures
(19:28):
of Pipemin.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Then you look into W Bourdy Radio with the Pipeline
make It Bookie, go walking stills but don't do it.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pipelin.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
I'm w for c u I Radio.
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