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June 25, 2026 30 mins
Denver, CO progressive metal band Entropist share their new single “Intense Warmth,” as the follow‑up to their debut single “Creation.” Both tracks appear on the band’s upcoming debut full‑length album, The Vision, arriving June 26. 

The album’s artwork comes from a hand‑painted canvas by guitarist Solomon’s wife, Shannon Bortfeldt, an impressionist depiction of the story’s opening moments and the emotional weight of its darker themes.

Formed through a decade-long bond, Entropist began in 2013 when guitarist/vocalist Solomon Smith, vocalist Parker Kitching, bassist Jeremy Smith, and drummer Matt Gleason met as college roommates and neighbors in Greeley, Colorado. After years of jamming, drifting apart, and reconnecting during the COVID era, the band solidified its lineup with the addition of guitarist Will Vinson, whose creativity helped elevate the project into its fully realized form.

“The Vision” is a bold, cinematic progressive metal odyssey built on a dual-concept narrative: one story set in a fantastical world of demons, celestial beings, and the void, and another grounded in real-life themes of mental struggle, nihilism, and the search for meaning. Written largely from the perspectives of characters within the story, the album is designed to be experienced from start to finish — with recurring motifs, callbacks, and evolving themes woven throughout.

Musically, the record spans progressive metal, djent, deathcore, metalcore, and post-hardcore influences, while maintaining a cohesive identity. Fans of Between the Buried and Me, Meshuggah, Opeth, and The Contortionist will find familiar touchpoints, yet Entropist’s voice remains distinctly their own. To bring the album’s massive sound to life, the band partnered with acclaimed producer Jamie King, whose work with BTBAM and The Contortionist helped define modern progressive metal. His mixing and mastering elevated the album’s intricate compositions into a unified, powerful whole.

The band’s first single, “Creation,” introduces listeners to the album’s final narrative arc. The track blends bright, triumphant chords, intricate rhythms, soaring vocals, and one of the heaviest breakdowns on the record. Lyrically, it explores themes of building something new, forging meaning, and shaping the world one wants to see. The lyric video showcases the song’s emotional intensity and conceptual depth, offering fans their first immersive step into the universe of “The Vision.”

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hi, you love done to censure?

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Wow, crazy young.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures of
Pipe Man W four C Y Radio. And I'm totally
excited about, you know, talking about this next song that
I just heard that is absolutely amazing. So let's welcome
to show Solomon from Entropist. How are you.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
It's good, Dean, how about you?

Speaker 1 (00:39):
I'm doing great, man, And like I'm all pumped up
from this interview after listening to your song.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yeah, glad to hear it, man. Yeah, we're really really
proud of this thing. Super happy to like finally be
able to share with the world and whatnot.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
You know what I love about the song. Okay, so
it's like old school to me in the sense of
listen to it and for a while, because you know,
we live in today's society, I'm thinking, hmmm, is that
an instrumental and then boom it hits you. And that's

(01:13):
why old school was like that, Like you like, people
don't have the attention span for that the same amore
to get through like the progression into you know, it's
like the build up to me, it's so much better.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah, that's there's a lot of a lot of really
paste out music. You know, I do feel like, you know,
especially in the modern day, that like you know, writing
an album that's an hour long and having all these
like crazy songs that like stretch on forever and don't
use like one or two ideas is like almost irresponsible.
Even it's really the music that got me here, you know,

(01:52):
that's the most inspiring songs that I've ever heard, are
like these ridiculous odyssees with just craziness and technicality that
also like have a journey, you know, the emotional dynamic
is just the whole thing to me.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Please, I mean, good example, not a metal but could
you imagine Dark Side of the Moon only being five
minutes the whole album? Right, yeah, that would be weird,
you know. And so and I love the musicianship part,

(02:27):
which I think kids today maybe maybe they're getting back
into it. I heard there it's starting to turn around
a little bit. But the way these I guess, you know,
well there you go. You know a lot of these
streaming services they just want you to keep hitting track
track track, and I think we are making a turnaround
to go back to musicianship instead, like because I also

(02:49):
found out from an artist that they've changed the way
you're supposed to write songs nowadays, like you know, cut
out the intro, cut out the solo, cut out the
bridge only two versus immediately.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
There's no yeah, there's no journey to it, right, Like
it's really it's because of how music is popular, right,
And there's always like going to be this dichotomy in
my head of like, you know, music that people make
for people to hear and to make money and to
be played in you know, the coffee shop, in the
grocery store or whatever else. And then there's music that
people make for expressive purposes, right, yeah, you know, and

(03:24):
the expressive stuff can like be anything from serious to
you know, like you know, limp biscuit. But at the
end of the day, like I think that what I
find the most meaning and is the latter category of course,
you know, like if it has to be like designed
for TikTok, then like are you really still like you know,
writing in the same way that you typically would Are
you trying to write for your audience? You know?

Speaker 1 (03:45):
And that you know, that's always been a problem for
artists since the beginning and time, and I think it's
only accentuated now, Like you know, before it was the
record labels telling the artists how to create music and
and look and everything else, and now it's TikTok telling you.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Which to be fair, Like, you know, you can get
really popular overnight. Honestly. We have a couple of buddies
of ours who in like a band called Colbal Mountain
and there they're vocalists, Like does this bit where he's
like he's wearing a cowboy hat but he's doing he's
just like death cores vocals right over the top craziness, right,
you know. And he did like a cover of Toxic,

(04:29):
like Britney Spears Toxic and like death Course Style on America.
And then some of the judges were like I'm out immediately,
right because.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
It's so funny.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
How he was like, I want to see where this goes.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
I love it though, because like, all right, so it's funny.
I have I have a couple of grandeurs there their swifties, okay,
And so I played them the aversion, the I Prevail
version of Blank Spaces, and one of them when we
went in the house, I caught her. She was in
her room. She looked it up and she was listening

(05:05):
to that version I'm like, yes, perfect you you know,
and you're so right about that because and I think
metal is never supposed to be the type of music
that you make for radio, for popularity or whatever. And

(05:26):
I think pop has its place, like you're saying, like,
there's pop music for a reason, but not every genre
has to be pop.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, I mean, of course unless it's you know, unless
we're trying to find music that's intended to be listened
to but as many people as possible so we can
actually profits, right, Like, you know, that's that's It's never
been the priority for me. I've I do want people
to be able to hear the music and connect with it.
But that's just because this album means a lot to me.
It's about, you know, really pivotal time in my life

(05:59):
that you know, I if it wasn't if it wasn't
for the other amazing musicians in this world, I wouldn't
have made it through that. And yeah, you do that
for one person on this earth, then you know, I
will have done more than I could hope to with this,
you know. But it's it's really about a journey of
finding yourself and finding your place in this world, and
you know, building something that's you know, that makes you

(06:22):
feel self actualized and you know that. Yeah, I don't know.
It's about creating your purpose, right, that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
No, I see, I love it because I'm also a
motivational speaker. So even the album named the Vision to
me that I talk about that all the time, you know,
but it is true also, It's like you know, artists,
they they are expressing because they're going through something, but

(06:50):
at the same time, they're expressing because they want other
people to know they're not alone.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Mm hmmm, damn straight.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
And that that's what means about to me, music is
the best therapy. It's therapy for the artists and therapy
for the listener, and what therapy you get at that
is up to you. Like that's that's a sign to me.
That's a sign of a really good song, not one
that TikTok says is a great song. To me, it's
that song that you know, basically anybody can They don't

(07:22):
have to have your meaning, but they put some meaning
to it and it helps them in their life, you know,
and they may have a total totally different perception of
what your lyrics are than the artist, than the artist
is meaning by them, and that's cool.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah, that's one of the most amazing things about it, right,
Like the the experience of listening to it the experience
of creating it are completely different things, right. You know,
music is a lot, in a lot of ways, very
much a language. I think that that isn't I'm not
unique in using that analogy. But one of the things
that I think is the most profound about that is

(07:58):
really that by the time that you've converted the thought
into language, you've changed it, yeah, a certain degree, and
then what the other person has heard has also changed
it yet again, right, because it's within the context of
their own, you know, their own universe, their own memories,
their own ideas of what those things mean. Right, And
so when you start getting into like the abstract concepts

(08:19):
like these, and when you start getting into the emotional,
visceral impact of music, then it's just a different world
for everyone, which.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Is now And everything you're saying is so spot on,
And I kind of relate it to speaking a foreign language,
like you know, like I go to Costa Rica a lot.
I know Spanish, but I'm in my head, I'm thinking
in English and then translating it and depending on the
different countries you would go, it's not going to translate

(08:49):
the same. Like you know, here in the States, we're
taught the type of Spanish. It's only spoken Spain. So
when you go to places like Costa Rica or Columbia
or anything place like that, they don't. They translate it
totally different what you're saying because you're not saying the
way they speak Spanish, you know. And I think it's
kind of the same thing. It's like, what are what

(09:11):
you're saying, whether their habits, what's in their head that
they're associating to whatever you're saying, and you you're trying
to translate something and it never really comes across exactly.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Right, yeah, right. I think the way that you realize
very much that you're still an animal, say, and you know,
on whatever level it could be, we can we don't
have to give to the philosophy all that. But one
of the interesting things thereof is that like try talking
to somebody who doesn't speak the same language as you,
and you're back to being animals, right, right, exactly. You

(09:45):
cannot convey these complex thoughts to one another. You you
have better ability to communicate because it's the same species,
right but if you don't actually speak the same language
as them, then you're one like magical methodology of transmitting
your thoughts to some body else is gone, and suddenly
now you're just figuring it out right.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Like because to that other person, it's like listening to
a dog bark like dogs communicating no clue what you're saying,
you know.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
But that's where speaking like Arabic or Chinese and I
have no chance at like understanding much much more than
their tone of voice, their inflection expressions right exactly.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
And you know, that's where music is the great communicator,
because I'm always fascinated by bands going to other countries
singing in different language and those people may not speak
the language at all, but they're singing your lyrics back
to you and they know what it means. And that

(10:52):
always kind of blows my mind. And that's the cool
thing about music, because music is universal that straight.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, this is one of the really powerful things about.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
It, exactly.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
I that's part of why I wrote this album. Actually,
there was a lot I felt like I needed to convey,
and not just to like, you know, the people I knew,
I needed to convey to the people who spoke this language, right, Like,
oftentimes I'm asking myself why metal in a certain sense,
because at the end of the day, metal as a genre,

(11:27):
like just the sound of it is very harsh. It's intense,
it's emotionally like gripping in a way that isn't even
for people like so some people are just going to
turn it off the second they hear a scream.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, totally, you know, which is very fun.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
I was one of them when I was growing up. Honestly,
I grew up in like, you know, seventies eighties music, right,
like the Bops, the disco, right Stevie Wonder, that kind
of thing. And these days then, like you know, screaming
is just another language I speak in a sense, you know, right, right,
That's just a way to communicate certain and emotions, certain experiences,

(12:02):
certain feelings. And also sometimes it's only it's the only
thing that actually fits musically.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
It is a great way to get all your crap
out too, because like people don't realize that things like
the mash pit are not about us hurting each other.
It's about making sure we don't hurt anybody in the
outside world and getting all our crap out with it
with a common person you know that that knows what
we're thinking and knows what why we're there.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
You know, it's the environment of pure catharsis right. I've
always referred to the metal concerts as the church for me, you.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Know, oh, no doubt about it. And the funny thing
is is I always laugh with a lot of ours
because we we People think we're such scary people, metal heads,
and it's like the farthest thing from like, I'll tell
you a funny story. Uh So I had to cover two,

(12:59):
Like I go on to our to media coverage of
festivals all over the US, UK and Europe, and I
had to cover two in one weekend once. So I
had this girl that worked for me, she also co
hosts my show. She was a country girl, never been
to a rock show in her life, and so I'm like,
you're gonna have to cover this gig and she was
a little scared about it because it's it was metal,

(13:20):
and I'm like, listen, I'm just gonna fill you in
on something. Metal heads are like one big lovable family.
You know. The mosh pits aren't about hurting people. In
fact that we have rules, like somebody falls, you pick
them up. We're a big community. You go to these
country shows where there's a bunch of drunk rednecks beating

(13:43):
the shit out of each other, and you're scared of
a metal show. And I was like, you're gonna go
to this thing and you're gonna make some new friends,
and you're gonna you might even find a boyfriend, and
you're gonna see that we're not as scary as as
your country people.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
People on the planet. Man, you can go and chat
to like almost anyone of the.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Show and are those outsiders. There's no like hate on anybody.
We're all outsiders on the inside, is the way I
kind of look at it, you know. And so here's
the funniest part. She comes back after the weekend and
she's like, oh my god, you are so right. I

(14:28):
have all these new friends now, and I tea bag
some guy and he's now my boyfriend. And I have
this new favorite band. I don't know if you know them.
They're called Bring Me to Horizon. Like, yeah, I think
I know who they are. But you know, it's proven
over and over again, like maybe if you had an

(14:50):
outlet like metal, then you would be a nicer person
in the real world. Maybe all these other people that
are assholes, they just don't have metal as an outlet.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Agreed, Yeah, dude, Honestly, I feel like going deep into
an emotion is part of what music's about, and that's
the hard part about music as well, right I The
basis in my band is Name's Jeremy. He's like way
into like sad music, man, Like you know, he's always

(15:21):
have been on like Porcupine Tree and Stephen Wilson. He's
like on ethel Kaye these days, that kind of thing, right, Gespotcho,
that type of deal, and I could I like when
when I was in college, I couldn't fuck with that
because I couldn't go deep into sad, you know, like
I literally, well the way and this may be, you know,
perhaps an immature way of handling, and I would argue
it was. But when I was younger than like, one

(15:43):
of the ways I would just handle emotions is I
would figure out a way to convert into anger and
then I would use that and like listen to metal
and boom emotion salt. Right, Ye, A reasonable equation in
a certain sense doesn't work for everything, of course, But
I've actually only recently been able to start, like you know,
engaging on very different emotional levels. Now that this album
is done, Yeah, I can listen to like whatever the

(16:06):
heck I want, you know, which is kind of.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Fun nice, And I love that all you keep talking
about is like passion and emotion in creating this album,
because to me, that's some of the greatest music there
is out there, Okay, you know. And I also have
to say it's very interesting I was thinking about when

(16:28):
it came to you guys. So I've talked a lot
since COVID about I think some of the best music
what we will have will come out of that time
of COVID, because artists got a chance to jump off
the hamster wheel and create again and like have that
deep reflection to really create music postages writing a song

(16:50):
on a tour bus on the way to the next gig,
you know, and constantly, Like I know so many artists
that kind of change course from COVID because they never
stopped to think of that's is that where they wanted
to go. It's like they went that way and then
they're just stuck on that treadmill going that way opposed

(17:10):
to same. Wait a minute, I think that's where Ali
from bringing and bring the Horizon was totally smart because
he did go all over the place, and the latest
song by them I just heard is like their original
death chort, right, So I think, you know, that kind
of helped that creativity come back. Maybe, you know, because

(17:31):
maybe Ali was bored with doing that same stuff all
over again and doing all that other stuff created the
excitement to come back. So to me, like with your band,
basically it was you're like a phoenix coming out of
COVID with this music, you know, right, you know, so

(17:52):
I think it's the same concept. It's I think I
think probably all you were able to basically reflect and
finally decide where you want entropists to go.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean that was COVID was
a really interesting era, you know, especially for like myself.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
You know, you can.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
You can call it like negative in whatever ways it was,
but it certainly was a time for everybody collectively in
the world simultaneously to reflect on life. Yeah, what it
means to actually be here, why they're doing what they're doing.
If you are forced to stop just running on the treadmill,
as you're saying, then you have to actually decide, like wait,
am I getting back on that treadmill. There's like a

(18:38):
door over here, you know, right that way, right, like
where am I going? Am I? Why am I doing this? Right? So,
you had a lot of bands that just stopped after
COVID because they were like, wait a second, why are
we doing this? This is too much. We got to
like give in the bus and drive all over the
freaking country all the time, make another only every single time,
over and over and over again. You know, like some
of them are like losing money doing that process.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
And they're like wow, like and you're not even thinking
about some kids.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Dude, Like And on the on the other side, you're right,
some of the most like amazing creative music that I've
heard in years is coming out like very recently, partially
because you know, people have had that time I think,
you know.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah, exactly the time to write it properly, but also
the time to figure out what you want to write
instead of just writing.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah, that was kind of realizing the vision in this
case right.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
There, it is there.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
It is so.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Tell us the vision of intense warmth, because I did
get some intense warmth listening to that song.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah. So the vision actually has two meanings in a sense.
One of them is actually like in the real world, right,
It's this band as I call it, has always been
in my head more of a project, right. It's it's
it's not just the band, it's the community behind it.
It's the artist that we have designing things. Is the

(20:03):
fact that like everyone converges on this one spot and
we have people from all these different courses of our
lives come and just hang out, whether or not they
like metal. I hope to get more people who do, right,
But that's you know, it's it's so profound to have
like a time that you can have all these people
from these different walks of life that you've encountered for

(20:25):
all kinds of different reasons come out for the same thing.
You know, I love it, And that's really the core
of what this is to me, at least, you know,
it's really about building up the metal community in the
in you know, in the modern day, right, and giving
us a place to be right. And so the other
side of the vision is actually about you know, I

(20:46):
wish I could slap up the Actually no, I can't
slap with the aldmar.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Behind me was my I'm glad you're talking about that too,
because I was going to go to the artwork because
this is.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Actually the original original painting that my wife did.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, I was gonna bring up your wife actually did
the artwork, and I think that's killer, and I'm all
about artwork, you know, like that's an hard thing we're
missing nowadays. And now you know, you have albums coming back,
thank god, because like there was nothing. It was such
a multi sensory experience to get a record album, you know,

(21:24):
it wasn't just listening to a song. And so I
always love album artwork. To me, I think it's the
coolest stuff because it definitely it allows you to dig
even deeper and kind of looking at well, listening to music,
you kind of like going to his zone. Yeah, you're

(21:46):
going to the zone of the music totally. And so
that and I love hearing that was your wife that
did it.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah, that's it is. It's so meaningful to me to
like kind of gotten too life, you know, have her
make something for this and then just like put it
out there, and it just it perfectly reflects the entire
first arc of this story that's being told. So like
there's like the real story of like me just not
knowing what I wanted to be and how like how

(22:15):
I was supposed to function in society and if I
even want to be here in the first place, right,
and eventually coming out of that.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Right.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
But it's also about like this huge, fantastical story that
I've been writing for like the last decade, right that
has like angels and demons, and this particular moment that
you see in the album artwork is actually essentially an
all consuming entity simply you'd referred to as the Void,
which you'll hear more about it in the song I Hunger.

(22:42):
I'm really excited to be able to hear that one.
It's like super heavy, nice, But basically the story starts
in a dilapidated version of Hell, kind of in the
modern day, and I didn't rehearse this part, so like,
I'm going to try to not me under too much,
but there is this demon in there who has kind

(23:06):
of seen the collapse over the past several hundred years,
and you know, instead of like instead of just like
burning hell escapes and volcanoes and you know, everything that
you'd imagine like infinite waves of torture machines, right, instead,
it's almost chill relatively speaking, everything has been reduced to

(23:27):
simply an intense warmth, right treasonly going to grow there.
They immediately get incinerated, but they are still there, which
has never been seen before. And he's not happy. He
remembers the old days. He wants to essentially return things
to the hell of old, where like simply the mention
of its name would strike terror into people's hearts, right,

(23:50):
And he kind of ends up like, you know, leaving
his society, wandering out in the middle of nowhere pretty much.
And he is given a vision by the Void, which
is in the form of the void actually like speaking
to him, so to speak. It's not like a you know,
an entity with a mouth or anything, but my hunger

(24:13):
is supposed to be essentially a representation of the voice
of the Void itself, nice speaking in his head. And
the power of this thing is so monumental that it's
going to it's consuming all that exists, all that doesn't
as well, right like, it's going to consume our entire universe.
It's going to consume Hell eventually, it's going to consume Heaven.

(24:35):
It's going to consume everything. It is the breakdown of
the very fundamental laws that hold things together. M both
really in celestial right.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
I love it, and.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Like when he hears its voice, it actually basically shatters
his mind and it like makes them pass out in
the middle there for like centuries, and when he comes
to then suddenly he he he's resolute in what he's
doing next. And there's more to the story. I'm only

(25:10):
gonna reveal that much, but that's kind of the first
arc of this story, right. I love it choosing that
when to summon this.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Voyd, And I think another thing about your wife doing
the artwork is who better to do it? But somebody
that kind of knows you probably better than anybody, and
probably can paint the picture better than anybody. Because of that,
you know the vision, so to speak, because it is

(25:40):
like it's funny, my dad was an artist and I
have one one painting in my condo of his that
basically I see something very different than everybody else sees
because I knew him, and like in this painting, I
can see the darkness of his personality. I can see

(26:00):
his dark side and people just see a pretty picture
most of the time. And if I say that to him,
they're like, what are you talking about? And that's because
they didn't know what was going through his mind. When
he was painting it, you know type of thing, and
I think that's key. That's the same thing here is.

(26:20):
You know your wife knew what was going through your
mind and what you've experienced that she had the vision
of how to paint the Vision. Yeah, right there you go.
So tell everybody how they can check out the new music.
Of course, we have the full length album The Vision

(26:41):
dropping on the marrow. Yeah yeah, and so let's tell
everybody how they can get it, how they can check
out everything about you guys and support you guys, or
else they can us show.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Check us out. We are Entropis band on almost everything
and camp h YouTube, Spotify, Instagram, Facebook, you name it.
The all. The Vision will be available on all streaming
platforms like from you know, Spotify to Deezer to Title
to quobazz to whatever, the iHeartRadio and everything.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
So yeah, we're super excited to be sharing this with
the world. This this thing is a progmenttal monster. At
risk of tooting my own horn, check out at least
the longest song that you're willing to check out, because
there's some unexpected stuff in this thing.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
I love it. And you know what, if you weren't
your biggest fan. We can't be your biggest fan. So
I don't even look as tooting your own horn, because
if you don't think it's a masterpiece, who else is
going to?

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Yeah? I think I think it's a freaking baller album.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Man.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
There's so many crazy headbanging parts. There's some cool like
proggy stuff, there's some jazzy elements. There's like an instrumental
song on there that I you know, I think that
is a lot of people's individual favorites. Everyone has come
back to me saying that they have a different song
is their favorite song.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
And that I love that is good. You know that's
that sends a lot. And I like the blending of genres,
Like used to be metal, you had to be pure.
You were either this type of metal or that type
of It's all bullshit because like the way you get
some unique, long lasting music no matter what it is,
is it not being able to be put in a box.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Mm hmmm, and uh yeah. I every time someone asks
me to do so, i'm i'm I'm struggling. So now
I don't have to try to explain it to people.
I can just say give it a listen.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
There it is. I I think nowadays, a whole idea
of genres as bullshit because there's so many subgenres and
micro genres and it's like really like it's just it's
just exactly, and music's not supposed to have rules, you know.

(29:09):
And to me, the whole idea of metal, you know,
coming from the beginning of metal, was experimentation, not formulation,
and it's like almost now with all these subgenres and
micro genres, a lot of metal is formula driven. And
so that's why I love about your music because it
took me on a journey and that's what music should do.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Thank you man.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
So you keep doing it.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
What enjoys experiencing the journey?

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yeah, exactly, you keep doing it. And thanks for being
on the Adventures Pipemin.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah, thanks for having me man. It's been a great chat.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Definitely.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pipemin on
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