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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hi, you have done to censure wow for you your.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures of
Pipe Man W four c Y Radio. And I'm here
with our next guest, uh who has some killer new
music that we want to talk about, a new single
and oh my god, I love all the story about
the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
So let's welcome to the show, Symmetria. How are you good? Good?

Speaker 1 (00:36):
How you doing that good?

Speaker 2 (00:38):
So now I have the most important question right now,
most important? Did I pronounce your band name right?

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Actually? Yes? You did?

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Wow? Okay? Great? As Like my worst fear is like.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
That's a bad way to start an interview, you know,
And so if if I'm not one hundred percent sure,
I'll ask like that just to make sure, or I'll just.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Make fun of myself for fucking up.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
Hey, don't worries, man. You know, it's happened so many times.
We've joked around and we got to pull the old
Leonard Skinnyard pronounced some met Tria for one of these
albums at some point.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Right exactly, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
And nowadays it's so hard to find a band name
that band names are misspelled, they're pronounced differently than you
would think so I never assume with any band name
right that I'm pronouncing it properly right right, because.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
You never know. Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
So, you're celebrating ten years, you have a new EP,
expanding to our schedule, a lot going on, So let's
let's talk about the new single and lyric video the game,
all right? Tell me, because I know you guys have
like a story behind that song, and I want our
listeners to hear the story about behind that song.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
Yeah, I mean, if I'm not mistaken, that was the
first one that Matt really helped us finish right in.
So that's you know, pretty important right there, right off
the bat, as far as that piece, he's the newest
member of.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
The band coming in.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
And beyond that, like you know, lyrically speaking, you know,
it's really about what I call like the game of life,
right you got, there's two games going on at most
from my experience, most people don't fully realize all the time.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
You got, you know, the.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
Game of life where you're playing to win in your
life and you don't really think about anything before you,
anything after you, or anything like that. And if you're
playing it to win in that way, you're not really
doing much other than you know, it's kind of serving yourself.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
And at the end of it all, if everybody's.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
Playing that way, well, then the big game that most
people miss out on, the eternal game, gets missed out
on completely and eventually it all falls apart.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
You know, yeah, totally.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
And that's what I love about the song, is that
story behind what it really means, because you know, people
listen to songs they think they know what it means,
and sometimes they may be write or maybe it's their
own meaning. But I think we're really in twenty twenty
six playing that game of life. Yeah, man, I kind

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of want to jump off the game board.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
Like my wife and I would talking. She's like, what
do we do? I'm like, you know what, We just
do everything we can to make the world as good
at place as possible so that when we come back,
we find each other sooner and it's better than it
is now.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
No doubt.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
And you know, I've thought of something recently like, Okay,
when you go back that before the internet, before social media,
I don't know that things aren't necessarily much worse now.
Maybe they are, but they're definitely too much more in
your face, right, you know, And I think some of

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it shouldn't be so much in our face because I
don't know, it just creates people being a bunch of
miserable people because they can't escape all this crap. And
there's always been crap as long as there's been politics.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
Well, and you know, it's like there's an over under
here at some point, right, you know, we get to
a point where we who asked.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
For some of this stuff?

Speaker 4 (04:18):
Where we're getting like I remember asking for computers in
my car. I don't remember asking for bluetooth on my grill.
And if they're just going to keep force feeding technology
down our throats at some point, like, well, who's asking
for this? Because if nobody's asking for what are you
doing with it? Why are we being you know, forced
and trapped into situations that we might not necessarily want

(04:40):
to be in. But yeah, if you look back, right,
pre go pre internet. And I'm not anti Internet by
any means. I'm anti something's data centers, a surveillance flop
cameras and all that shit. But if you really went
back before Internet, you stop and think about it, right,
if you want to see it was going on somewhere
else in the world. You went to the library, you

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got an encyclopedia, somebody had been there taking pictures.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
You could go get a national geographic.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
You could read out about these places that people had
been and then if you decided you want to really
learn more about it, you went on an adventure for yourself.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Now you just sit here.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
And you binge everything on the internet and then go
back to your cubicle and punch the clock for nine
to five.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, the life where in is horrible.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
I'll even go step further. It's like people don't even care.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
What said, if it's true or not. They just grabbed
these headlines and run with it. They don't even read articles.
Like if you read some of the articles of debate,
click shit, Like the article doesn't even match the headline,
but nobody knows because they don't check it out.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
You know.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
I also like, as far as metal goes, like, thank
god there wasn't all this shit.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
In the eighties when I was on the Sunset Strip. Okay,
Like I don't want a record of ay of that shit?
You know.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
How many hundreds of others right?

Speaker 2 (06:04):
And you know the thing is, it's funny because I
am a techie and I still agree with what you're saying.
Like one day, I was calling my youngest daughter. I'm like,
you know, some days I just want to drive down
the road and throw my phone, my computer, and my
iPad out the window and keep driving.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
And she goes, Dad, who are you gaing?

Speaker 2 (06:26):
You're just as addicted anybody, And I said, yeah, I am,
except I come from a time before we had this stuff,
and it was much better. It's my stupid generation that
built all this shit, and we built it because we
wanted to make.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Our lives easier. My life is not easier, okay, Like
we all have no time in the day.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Everybody's stressed out, everybody's got anxiety, everybody has panic attacks.
I give all that stuff to the Internet and social media,
and there's never a shutdown in anything.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Like even me. I run a radio station.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
I can't tell you how many people text me at
like three am and then freak out when they don't
get a response five minutes later. Like, Okay, I get it,
I'm a radio station. But still, if you couldn't reach
your radio station before all this stuff, you waited till
the next day.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, and what was wrong with that?

Speaker 4 (07:22):
At least when you got somebody on the phone, you
were going to get a real person, right.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
I was thinking about the other day as I was
going to the mailbox, the the the old school mailbox.
You're at this studio, and I'm like, oh, man, I
missed the days when we only had this because like
your game, been bored.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
I can't.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
I waked up in the morning, I already have three
hundred emails and they're just from falling asleep, you know.
And it's like Jesus Christ, like when the postman came
by with your mail, you didn't have three hundred pieces
of mail ever, you know. So it's like, because we
have all this, you know, And then you know, people think.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Because they have all these tools, they should use them all.
Just because the tools are available doesn't mean you have
to use them.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
And I'm one hundred percent on the side with you
at Ai and the ring and all that stuff, because listen,
I remember in the eighties saying the machines are going
to take over.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Well here we are.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, you ain't kidding, man, here we are.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
And not only that, but like my kids all have
rings at their house.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
No, I don't want to ring at my house.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
So everything I'm doing is videotaped all the freaking time,
and I don't find them to feel safer with that ring.
It's more like they get obsessed with watching who comes
to their door all the time. To me, it all
creates more fear. Instead, we we're being sold at security.
I don't feel more secure. I also don't feel more

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secure when Alexa is interrupting my interviews.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
Okay, which when I've done about home instead in the studio,
that will happen, like in the middle of an interview,
shall pipe in and like hey, but out.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
You know, and now music the most important thing.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Okay, we need bands like you that are actually musicians,
not people just punching a couple of things on a
computer and making music.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Like that's weird to me. Oh, I don't.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
First off, thank you very much, I appreciate that. I
think we feel the same way.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Right.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
That's it's uh music.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
It's got a life of its own, and you gotta
know how to curate that life within it as you're
putting it together. And you don't get that with a
keyboard and a synthesizer the way you do with real
instruments and real creativity exactly.

Speaker 6 (09:58):
And the follow with that, Like I like all types
of music and all that, but it's you can't call
some like like a DJ for example. You know they're
touching buttons here and there. You can't call them musicians
because what are they doing musically?

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Exactly? Like I don't even get. I mean I did
get when I had to do press coverage for once
one once. I'm like, okay, I get this, but I
don't get the whole idea of a DJ concert, Like.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
If you're a nightclub, I get it.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Okay, that's where there should be a DJ. There should
not be a concert for DJs. Yeah, it's like weird
to me, Like what kind of concert is that You're
pushing a couple of buttons, twisting a couple knobs, moving
some faders, scratching some crap. But and that doesn't mean

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you're not talented, but you're not a musician.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
Like you said, well, if you go one step further,
you go over some of the other countries. They got
concerts for holograms and ah the insert oh yeah, completely
CGI generated. The music is all AI generated.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
It's just garbage.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
And I think people don't realize what you're missing there.
You're missing the depth, the passion, the emotion that music
gives you, Like, if you listen to some of this
AI music, does it sound good maybe, but does it
invoke emotion? No? No, And that's what we need. That's

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what Music's the best therapy there is. Like why would
you get rid of the human element of it?

Speaker 4 (11:35):
Because everybody wants their chance to create it, and they'll
put the work in to learn how to play the
instrument to take an actual chance of creating it. And
that's really what it comes down to. Everybody's capable of
learning how to play an instrument, and then you let
it take it as far as you want it to
take you.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
It is laziness.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
I'll be blunt about it, okay, you know, because I
do think it Like I played drums, I sucked. I
played guitar. I sucked at that too. I also sang
thresh mets sucked at that too. But there was one
common denominator in all three of those things. The idea

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of playing an instrument sounded.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Great to me.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
The work I had to put into to become good
maybe not so much when I was young, you know.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
And I also to.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Your point, I think in any industry like there are
no experts nowadays and anything like everybody thinks they're an expert, right,
you know, I think there's something to be said about
an expert. You know, you're not gonna You're not gonna
become Randy Rhodes by pushing buttons.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
No, no, you're not.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
Just if you're getting master an instrument, it's like master
and a craft or anything else. You know, it gets
it a point where you're, you know, playing with it
on a subconscious level. You know, you just know, you
know what you want to hear, your fingers go there
kind of stuff. You don't get that same relationship with
your JKL semispace.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Right.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
And I think too that everybody that has something to
say about music or musicians or creating that AI stuff
should still learn how to play an instrument, because then
you'll have a lot more respect for that musician.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yeah, what it.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Really takes because it always sounds great when you're playing
air guitar, like oh I could play that song, you know,
until you actually get on the instrument, like oh how
do I do this?

Speaker 3 (13:34):
You know?

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (13:36):
I agree, It's like that's what gives me more respect
for people like you guys, because I did try and
I sucked because I didn't put enough effort into it.
Like you said, anybody can learn, but it's how much
effort you're gonna put. I remember, like hearing about Randy
Rhodes practicing eight hours a day, I was like, holy shit,
I don't want to practice eight hours a day, or

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or like even like I had a practice pad for years.
I played drums for nine years. The reason I sucked
is because I can stand using the practice pad in
the beginning, like you got to do those beginning things,
or like with the guitar, I didn't want to do scales.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Just let me play a song. Okay, I don't want.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
To do scales, but you need that foundation to be
able to not only play music, but to create it right.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
And that's the big difference. Like I've learned over the years.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
You know, to learn a song is one thing, and
like to learn your chords, learn your scales.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
But when you.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
Actually start putting something together and taking what you've learned
by picking up bits and pieces other people's music you've
played and they start creating your own sound with that's
that's where learning all of those other bits and pieces
really comes in, because you have to understand how it
goes together and the flow.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Exactly and you know, there's so many artists I'm impressed
with because of what they can do. Like even like
artists like you that I've been around for ten years,
I'm always so prep impressed that you can still write new.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Music because.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
I think it gets harder as you have created a
lot of music throughout the years, Like it's hard to
come up with something new, Like you know, think about
your first album. Those songs probably last for years and
then you have to come up with other stuff after that.

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Like it's to me, it's so impressive, you know.

Speaker 4 (15:31):
I mean, I think part of it is just the
fact that so much of like the lyrical content especially
it tends to revolve around a lot of what's going
on in the world at the time.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
The stuff's written, right, Yeah, So as.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
Long as the guys are able to stay creative and
what they're doing musically, you know, my part's a little
easier because I get to draw more influence on what's
current today versus does this sound like something we did
on two albums ago kind of deal.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Well, exactly.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
And it's like you take certain bands that were like
teenage bands that their music still is kind of teenage.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
It's like.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
How relative is it if you're still writing teenage music
when you're in your forties fifties.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
Oh yeah, it's got to evolve exactly. If you want
to stay relevant and current and keep attracting new people
and keep people paying attention, you gotta be singing about
and writing about stuff that's going.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
To do that exactly.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
And you know, I'll even go a step further with it.
And the fact is is, you know, the one thing
I will say positive is, Man, it makes me sad
that you could take songs written in the eighties by
like metal and punk bands, change the names in the songs,

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and you could still have the same song today.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
That blows my mind.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Like, how are we still writing songs out the nuclear
award that's going to blow up the world?

Speaker 4 (17:04):
Like because the threat is bigger now than it was
exactly exactly, and it's like crazy, like how come we're
not over this shit?

Speaker 3 (17:14):
You know?

Speaker 2 (17:16):
And so yeah, like so your song, like, to me,
it just says it all. The game just says it all,
because life is kind of a game too, and uh
you know, sometimes that game is good, sometimes not so much.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
And uh so I love when.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
You write a real song that people can actually relate to.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
That's that's that's the goal, honestly, I mean, and the
goal at the end of it all is to have
stuff that everybody can relate to in some way. And
if it's not one song, it's another one. And if
you're not liking, you know, some this particular album, you
might like a different one. This EP wasn't your flavor,
You'll like something else, you know exactly.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
And there's so much there's.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
So many people out there looking for something quality to
listen to, that it just got to put quality material out,
I hope exactly.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
I think that's something AI doesn't do.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Like AI just spits the stuff out like like I
call it like a puppy mill.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
Well, so my overall take on AI, and I've thought
about this a lot, because really, what AI is doing,
it's like a conglomerate of the greatest hits. You create
an AI system and you turn it loose to learn
everything about everything that's ever existed, and that's great. So
AI goes out there and it absorbs all the top
one hundred charts for music that ever existed. It takes

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odd information, it says, all right, based on the one
hundred thousand songs I learned as your AI Claude, this
is the best song that I can write.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Boom spits it out to you.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
But that song's gonna dirty to pool because there's nothing
new in that song.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
There's nothing creative in that song.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
It's a greatest hits song and everybody's and I think
it's great because it's the greatest hits of one hundred thousand.
You dirty that pool half a dozen times and you're
gonna notice real quick that the quality is starting to
taper off.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
What a What a great point because I've also noticed
with AI that when it like searches the Internet, most
of what it finds to give its synopsis is old.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Like I was just looking at something today that the
stuff info was given me was from like the eighties.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
Oh like that's not really a relevant right, you know.
And here's the problem.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
People don't proofread or double check this stuff. Like there's
a reason we have the AI for free instant because
then it doesn't cost these major corporations any money to
do research and development.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
We're doing it for them. We're training the II for them.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
Yeah you know, yeah, because from a corporate side, they
have to spend money to use it, Like We got
the guys in the office at work. They had to
go and take classes and get licensed. And now whenever
they use it, you have to use like crypto tokens
to run the AI algorithms. It costs money to use. Yeah,
that's companies aren't realizing that till it's too late. They're

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already some of them are already starting to regret the
amount of money they're having to spend to get quality
products out of the AI service exactly.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
And you know, if there was a live concert you
were doing and all the technology took a shit and
was gone, you could still do that concert because you're
a musician. What's that artist going to do that only
created music using AI?

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Forget that? What's the guy who's gonna do who can't
sing without auto too?

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Well? There you go.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
I mean, we could go worse than AI if.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
Right right, we could go down the whole rabbit hole there.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
But that's you're absolutely right.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
And I remember back back in the cover days, you know,
twenty something years ago, we were playing this little dive
bar way up north in Pennsylvania and we tripped a breaker.
So the breaker trips, the only thing left is the
drummer in me. Everybody else is gone and we're playing
living after midnight, and the whole bar jumped in nice
and it still sounded good.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
I was still singing.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
We had a backbeat going with the drums, and everybody
else just chimed in and sang along.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
I love it. I love it at the.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Compute that the mainframe didn't shut down.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
And speaking and performances you just got done. Like I
go on tour and I do festivals all over the US,
UK and Europe, and I am a Jersey boy and
I didn't even know.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
About this festival you just did.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Yeah, and the New Jersey Metal Fest eleven.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
How was that? I want to hear about that?

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Oh what, Matt, why don't you take this one?

Speaker 4 (21:53):
No?

Speaker 6 (21:53):
Yeah, I thought it went really well. I mean it
was one of our one of our better performances, I'd say,
up there with UH, or at least when I was
in it, because our first the first show I was
went in with UH Symmetria. We we played at Reverb
and Reading and that was like, you know, the guys said, oh,

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that was the best we've done. But you know at
Metal Fest, you know, I thought it was like it
was up there as far as like one of our
better shows, because you know, the crowd was involved, and
I mean yeah, in the heat of the moment, like
I'm thinking, oh, I'm playing too fast, you know, but
I waked it back and I'm like, oh, I was
actually on time. Uh It's crazy what adrenaline will do

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to you.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Right, exactly.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
And you guys will be back on the twenty fifth
at the at Reverb.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah we are.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
Yeah, we're back back at READB but twenty fifth, and
that's what Metal Church, Metal Church, Heathen and All Sinners
we're on. They're coming through with their first leg of
They're Dead to Right's tour and we picked up the
local slot for it.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
I love it. And yeah playing with Metal Church that's cool.
I remember seeing them in the clubs way back in
the eighties.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
So oh yeah, yeah, we're pretty stoked about that.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
I love it. And so how did you guys get together?
How did this happen?

Speaker 1 (23:18):
As far as what Matt coming in and the dandy.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, so.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Funny.

Speaker 6 (23:25):
So really, my mom she's never on Craigslist like she's
usually just she's usually on Marketplace or something like that,
and she happened to be on it one day while
I was up at school because I went to Aubreak
College in reading, and she text me and she's like, man,
there's this band that's pretty local to you that's looking

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for a drummer. And I'm like, all right, sure that
sounds good. So I reached out. They Vince sent me
the where do We Go Wrong?

Speaker 3 (23:55):
EP?

Speaker 6 (23:56):
I learned the parts for that, showed up. There was
a another guy there who was he auditioned before me.
But then I went up and you know, I did
my thing and they and the guy said to me
after he was like, yoah, you beat me on that.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
I love it.

Speaker 6 (24:16):
So here we are.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
It almost sounds like, you know, a Metallica story, because
that's how James and Lauren's got together an ad.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
You know, it's so old school.

Speaker 4 (24:30):
I love well, and especially Craigslist in today's day and age, right,
I know, right, he threw it up on Craigslist to
see if anything would happen, and so many people spend
so much. It's so hard to find players anymore, especially
at this level where you still want somebody that lives local,
what you can get together with a lot and stuff
like that. You know, I understand when you get further

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up the line, you can be further apart, and you know,
pick and choose he us and stuff because everybody's doing
it full time. But you know, we all have jobs,
so we're lucky to get together twice a week to
keep working on stuff and having somebody local.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
It's really hard. And we found Matt. I think Kenny
told us.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
I think we've found Matt within three months of Kenny
saying that he was, you know, going to be stepping
out without a problem.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
And we're sure Matt's not a serial killer, right, because
that's a lot that comes off of gregs.

Speaker 6 (25:22):
No, it wasn't me on Craigslist. It was my mom,
so so she's got to get looked at.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Oh, well we have to worry about your mom then, okay,
keep an eye out for her, I.

Speaker 6 (25:32):
Think considering, I think, well, coming up on being officially
in the band almost a year.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yes, September it will be a year.

Speaker 6 (25:39):
Yeah, September will be a year. So safe to say, uh,
I haven't killed anyone yet or have any.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Ideas that we know of that.

Speaker 5 (25:46):
Well, yeah, I don't want to see you guys like
Made for Lifetime movie or anything.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
The only serial killers we keep around his milk. Don't
worry about.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
It, right, I love it. That's great.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
So tell us what else people should know about Symmetria.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
Well, yeah, so outside the Metal Church show coming up
a couple weeks after that, we're playing a fairly local
show up here at the Scougle County fair Grounds for
the Veterans Association for the Coal Region. They're doing a
two day festival to raise money and awareness for the veterans.
Some national acts are coming in, a bunch of local

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bands are playing, and then we got the Wheat Labor
Day weekend, we are heading out to Ohio to play
the Smoke and Cole's Rally in Bloomville. That's our first
time on something that big, I believe lead a Ford
Hinder and a couple others of that scale or headline
and that one. Two weeks after that, we're in Allentown

(26:51):
at a local place called the Allentown Arts Gallery. And
then November one, we're down in Birdsboro with friends of
ours for their annual.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Big B and R they call it.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
It's a big local metal band concert with a bunch
of men that have been in the Reading area for
anywhere from ten to thirty years, depending on who's there.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
I love it, and I love that you're gonna be
playing with lead of Ford. She's actually coming our studio
here because she lives in South Florida.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
Oh cool, and she is cool.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
As hell, Like you know, you never know sometimes with people.
But that's why I find the icons like her are
always the ones that are cool as hell. It's usually
the bands that think they're icons and aren't that are not.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
Cool as hell. You know. It's like you mentioned Leonard Scared.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
I interviewed them three times before Rossington died, Okay, and
those dudes they're just.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Good old boys.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
They have no clue that they're Leonard's skinner like they do,
but you know not by their attitude. They were just laughing,
laughing the whole interview, like they're just having a good time.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
And that's the way it should be.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Man, it's music. You can't take yourself too seriously. You're
serious about your craft, but not about who you are.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
If you're blessed enough about there doing it at a
professional level, it should be fun.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Oh you know what, at any level.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
If you're not having fun playing music, that's the wrong
career because most of it sucks. It's it's the music
part that's supposed to be fun.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
If you're not having fun with that, like, where are
you're going?

Speaker 4 (28:31):
It's like when you played football when you were a kid, right,
You practiced three nights a week, beating the hell out
of yourself so you could play a game on Sunday, you.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
Know, exactly.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
With Metalfest, we were there. We loaded in at twelve thirty.
Our set was at.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Six point fifteen. That's just the way it goes sometimes.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
No doubt, no doubt and the stress that goes along
with it too. And you know, and we can tell
if you're not having fun to oh yeah, the listeners
can tell, you know. And if you're just dialing in, man,
why are you in this industry? That's what I think,
you know. I remember I was serious about gaining in
the industry, but I was it was wrong time of

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life for metal because they were converting all these bands
I knew into hair metal bands. I was watching the
record labels backstage saying, Okay, you're gonna play your music
like this, now you're gonna dress like this.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
I'm like, I'm.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Out fuck this, Like, oh yeah, why be in music,
if you're not doing what you absolutely love and have
passion for and just doing it as a.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Job, well that's why we're that's why we're still here.

Speaker 4 (29:38):
I mean we I'd be lying to you if I
told you I didn't turn down to three sixty deals
and the bullshit deals and stuff like that. I just
I was blessed to have the right people around me
and I knew who to ask questions and it was like, yeah, no, man,
you don't want to mess with none of that stuff.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
See that's key too.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
I think a lot of people don't realize that because, like, yeah,
go on back to the eighties, the record labels were
the ones giving the artists all the drugs and alcohol
and women and debauchery.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Because while while.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
You were like out of your mind, they were taking
all your money yep, you.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
Know, and then when it was all done, they told
you how much you owed them for going on tour
exactly exactly.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Oh my god, Like.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
I definitely you're flashing me back to a lot of
stories of friends of mine and what they went through,
and you know, like it's funny because you take somebody
like Metallica and that's where they they were kind of
smart because they got past that part. They left LA
to get away from that, you know. And it is

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pretty funny though, because I am originally a Jersey boy,
but my dad nineteen eighty comes up to me, I
was twelve, things like pack We're moving to California in
three days, and so like, I thought it sucked when
he said that. Now looking back, well that was great
with a perfect time to end up at the Sunset

(31:10):
Strip and that whole area. And then I went back
to Jersey for college, and I kind of laughed because, like,
so I was at Metallica's first show ever. And then
when they left LA, me and my bro used to
hitchhike up to the Bay Area. You catch them up there.
And so then I go back to Jersey. And where

(31:31):
am I in Jersey? I'm in Old Bridge is where
I'm living, the Old Bridge Militia.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
My friends there all loved to say.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
That Metallica was from New Jersey, and I used to
say to them, yeah, after they were from the Bay Area,
after they were from LA, Like.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
It's so funny.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
If you go to those three places, they all claim
that that's where Metallica originated.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
Well, yeah, and the irony and all that is I was.

Speaker 4 (32:03):
I was fortunate enough to talk to Chris, the head
of the Old Bridge Militia before he passed a few years.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Back, and I was sitting at the bar one night.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
We're watching the Classic Car Auction and we're talking about
that era and Johnny Z and what he did bringing
Metallica out and everything, and he's like, dude, the think
people don't realize his Metallica was only here for like
six to nine months.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Right, and they were gone.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
He's like, exactly dominated Jersey for six seven months and
then boom they were.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Gone, which is amazing because the one that you think
you would lay claim to would be Anthrax since they're
actually from New York.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
But it was. It was like a very.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Interesting scenario, the whole Old Bridge Militia thing, and like
who would have thought and hunk of bunkers and english
Town like I would never thought of, like, oh, English
Town is the place for metal.

Speaker 4 (33:00):
That's funny that that you were there. So that's where
Cemetery actually started. I was in Hillsboro, New Jersey back
ten years ago when we started the band, and the
first couple of places we played where Dingbat's up in
Clifton Bright and bar Down in Long Branch.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
I lived in Ocean Township, not to Stone.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
What was the little one in Asbury Park with Stone.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Pony got the Stone Pony, But there is another one
I can't remember the name.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
It was like the cellar something like that.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Yeah, I can't remember.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
The st quick Down.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Used to play there all the time.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Yeah, yep, you got it.

Speaker 4 (33:38):
So so we actually the first CD was supported by
the Old Bridge Militia.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
One of the guys from down there picked it up.

Speaker 4 (33:48):
He sent it out to a DJ that's on the
air at a college station in Lincoln, SIA.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Oh, it's been on SU.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
We actually interviewed up at SLU back in twenty eighteen.
Nice and then.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
Yeah, so they were really supportive of us early on.
So it's pretty cool that you were tied up with
them too there.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Yeah, it's it is kind of wild, like I think
about in the different scenes I was in, and like,
it's so wild. It's almost like then was a cultish time. Yeah,
much less and much more so than now. Wow, Like listen,
we didn't listen to any metal if it was played

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on the radio.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Besides something like so ou.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Right sou was okay, you know, but if it was
played on like PLJ or some shit like that.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
Nope, I'm out.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
And now you got like bands like Laurna Shure that
are like rising in the pop charts.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yeah, and I'm like, wow, it's wild.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
It's definitely an interesting time, right.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
You know they say Metals dead, I don't know. I
go to these festivals where there's over one hundred thousand people.
I think it's dead at all.

Speaker 4 (35:01):
I think that's what they want you to believe. I
think you've got a lot of We've seen a lot
of stuff, you know, coming back. I mean I even
saw a post the other day Timmy McMurtry and Billy
Mulano from Memo D finally buried the hatchet and they're
you know, uh, stopping their feud and talking about like
doing stuff together and things.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Wow, if you're talking a lot of.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
I've seen so many of the older heads getting active
again and working problems out with each other and just
doing the right thing for the music.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Finally, and you're older, so you're not as much of
an asshole as when you're younger.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Yeah, you sooner or lady, you gotta calm down right.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Uh, exactly, but I do know that, Like I was
really bummed out last year one of the festivals I
do was going to have s O D but it
was tribute to so OD but Wes scott Ian, it
was Jamie Josta was going to sing okay, and then
it was Scott's son playing drums.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
Which he's really really good. And who was it on guitar?
Was it Demo?

Speaker 2 (36:07):
I don't, I can't remember who it was on guitar
and uh, and it was like I was so excited
and then it got squashed because Billy Milano was like, nope,
you got Yeah, he didn't. I guess he didn't squash
with Scotty.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
And yet.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
Because he's making their rounds, he'll knocked on Scotty's door next.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
I know, right, because he did say some ship last
year and then all of a sudden it just didn't happen.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
But yeah, I tell you what though. It was funny.
I was covering Grass Pop a few years ago.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
And so mister Bungle played Okay, and so they do
a cover of Speak English or Die, but they don't
say English. Okay, So like in the States, I saw
them play and they were like speak Spanish or Die
and then there they called it speak Flemish or die

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because that little part of Belgium where that festival is,
that's their language. Okay, you know there's like three languages
in Belgium, but that one is just for that. Like
imagine if you had your own language for reading.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Right right, That's what it was, like what you kind
of do.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
Not Well, that's true, that's true.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
It's like I can pick where what part of Jersey,
what town somebody is from in Jersey? Oh, yeah, you know,
but by listening to them, and of course every borough
of New York, you can tell the difference. You know,
people down here in Florida if they think we all
sound the same. But it's the same thing as anything
like yeah, I could tell in that whole dri state area,

(37:47):
Oh you're from here, and how do you know? They
obviously know how you know because you're from that area, right.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Right, So how do people reach out to you guys?

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Check out the new music, check out the lyric video,
and uh, you know everything else.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
Yes, So basically you could pop pop in the band
name just as it's spelled symmetria s y m E
t ri I A into wherever you search your music.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
And we'll come up.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
We're on Apple Music, We're on Spotify, we stream on Title,
we stream on Deezer YouTube Music.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
We have a YouTube channel that has various concert.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
Videos, live footage as well as the lyric video for
the game is up there. You can check it out there.
Our Facebook page you could find on Facebook Symmetria band
and you can follow us there. And we're in the
process of getting a website launched because after ten years,
I guess it's time.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
It might be time. It might be time, just in
time for people to not use websites.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Yeah, where we're going.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
Actually, it'll be nice to be able to get merch
out to people on a broader scale.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
That'll be one of the biggest tools for it.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
And it gives me a spot to park the ePK,
and that was hoping to grow and continue on at
least at festivals and get on tour once or twice
here in the next coming years.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Having that ePK online will be a big tal help nice.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
And so if a video game was gonna use your
song in the game, which which video game would you
want it to be.

Speaker 4 (39:17):
That's a question for Matt because I haven't played video
games in thirty years.

Speaker 6 (39:23):
So you so you're saying the song the game, what
game would it be part of?

Speaker 3 (39:27):
What game would you want to be part of?

Speaker 6 (39:29):
Yeah, I'm gonna say Doom. Any of the Doom games?
Nice because you know that has like a very like
Metallica kind of feel like that, like that just sort
of upbeats stuff. But I don't know if to me
the game it like it gives sort of like a
drive like hey, we got to start a revolution. Let's
fuck shut up?

Speaker 2 (39:49):
You know, hell, here you go and see, Like I
asked that question because like with the name, like the game,
it should be part of a video game, just saying, hey.

Speaker 4 (39:59):
Our bank, he counts more than willing to receive checks
and sign these documents.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
Right exactly?

Speaker 2 (40:06):
So, what what do you think Matt has brought to
the table?

Speaker 4 (40:11):
Honestly, here's an idea, right, here's here's the best way
to describe what Matt's brought the table. The last practice
before the show, we were jamming after we ran the set.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
And you know, we're other than Matt.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
We're all in our forties and fifties, so we're a
bunch of old heads. So Mike starts playing Ami Evil
Giant Brian jumps in Kevin's going along and Matt never
came in, and I looked at Mike and I went, oh,
my god, we got a drummer young enough that he
doesn't know that.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Doesn't this song. He doesn't know this song.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
You might have to have Laurs play it.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
But you know, at the same time, he's brought so
much stuff just in screwing around at practice that we've
never imagined being able to add to our music already
that I can't wait to see what writ.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
And continues to bring with it.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
You know, he's he's got a different ear, he's got
a different mindset of course, and at the same time
he's as big as Alice Cooper fan as I am.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
So it's a really.

Speaker 4 (41:10):
Cool element to have somebody with his younger musical taste
and experience and different feel for things to come in
and still be as connected to at least I am
with some of the older music and stuff that you know,
I grew up listening to my father's records of Alice Cooper,
you know, billion Dollar Babies, Welcome to My Nightmare.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
And stuff, so too, it's it's awesome.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Yeah, and see, I think that in my opinion, that's Also,
what Matt brings to the table is it is twenty
twenty six, So I think you kind of need both
the older view and the younger view to be relevant.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Absolutely, and I think it adds lot.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
It says a lot about us as musicians and our
ability to stay current. I mean, yeah, you know, and
it was there was no hesitation like I've played with
guys that would have been like how old is he?

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Always too young.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
I don't even think we asked him how old he
was till a second or third practice he came in,
had the chops and started jamming.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Man, it's it's music, that's what it's about.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
That's key.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
It's like Ty, you know, Robert's son playing with Suicidal now,
Like he's so young, but man, he just makes sense, yeah,
you know, and brings that younger feel to it. And
Mike still has like the energy of a youth and
you know, so you need to have somebody young to

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keep up with him.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
Yeah, And if you're gonna try to be a current band,
like you don't go out and find another fifty five
year old drummer to sit in behind the kit if
you want to keep going for another twenty years, not
when you've got somebody that's young.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Powerful and enthusiastic and wants to come and play.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
I gotta tell you to your point, I'm fifty nine,
and I couldn't imagine touring playing drums, right. I think
any other like guitar, singing, whatever's got to be easier
at this age. But yes, if you're playing some like
Beatles music, maybe you know, but.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
But not playing metal like that.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
You.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
I'm in amazement at some of the drummers that they can,
you know, even keep up without dying, because I don't
think people realize how much brutal work it is to
be a metal drummer.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
You have to shape, you have to be a good shape.

Speaker 6 (43:44):
Well I'm not in great shape, but I'm working on that.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
You're a great shape for drumming.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
We'll keep you busy, we'll sweat you into shape.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
You know.

Speaker 6 (43:55):
It was after I don't know, it was like our
my second or third show, and it was at like
this little dive bar or something, and after the show,
like my I had like a gray shirt on and
it was just black like with sweat afterwards, and Brian,
his wife, was like, Matt, get a different shirt.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
It's cold outside.

Speaker 6 (44:15):
You're gonna get sick, like from the merch table and
all that.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
Yeah, oh my god, I love it because you brought
me back to a Slayer show.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
I was at at Lamor's in the middle of winter, yeah,
and I was sweating from head to toe and walked outside.
I didn't feel it for like fifteen minutes, but it
was I don't know, it's like zero out or something
like that, and I was like dripping wet.

Speaker 6 (44:44):
And yeah, I was very grateful for that for the
drive back because oh yeah, you know, even with the heat,
it was still like, oh yeah, I can feel every
inch of my skin.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Right, and it once it's clammy, forget it.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
Now, you just cold exactly. I don't.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
That's an every thing too, being a drummer in the
different weather, like, you know, even the fact of playing
here in South Florida as a drummer, Jesus Christ with
it being feels like one hundred and nine, how are
you drumming?

Speaker 3 (45:17):
You know?

Speaker 2 (45:18):
And that humidity, I'm like, oh my god. Like even
there's some bands I've interviewed down here or at like Rockville,
and I'm like, how do you even dress like that?

Speaker 3 (45:28):
On stage? Man?

Speaker 2 (45:30):
You know, like I moved down here, and I'm permanently
I have. I have two pairs and two types of shorts,
my summer shorts and my winter shorts. The winter shorts
are a little longer and a little thicker. Okay, that's
the extent of my winter down here.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
So I can't even imagine.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Yeah, I can't even imagine performing anything on stage down here.
I have a hard enough time doing rest with that weather,
you know, it's like, but geting up on stage and
giving all you got. See, these are things I like
to point out so listeners that don't they realize that
there's a lot that you guys put into a live show.
You're not just having fun. Are you having fun? Yes,

(46:17):
you're having fun, But there's a lot of effort and
sacrifice and work that goes into that. And I think
everybody needs to know that. It's not like, oh, look
at them, they got lucky and look at they got
a dream job. Yeah, I'd like to see most of
those people say that, do what you guys do.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
To be honest, Well, thank you, Yeah, it's yeah, I
mean it.

Speaker 6 (46:40):
It.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
It does like mad respect, you know, and even the
fact of doing festivals. Okay, so you guys know about
like festival flu and I get it all the time.
You're breathing in that dusta I always wonder how artists
are up there playing, especially singers and singing while that
dust is going in your throat, because I get that

(47:03):
while I'm doing interviews and like I lose my voice
first day, you know, I'm doing interviews and I can't
breathe and my nose and stuffed up. I'm like, man
mad respect for singers going out in this environment, you know,
and you got the moshpit right in front of you,
so that the dust is going right in your mouth.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Well I haven't gotten this.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
I haven't gotten experienced that yet, but I'll have to
be on the lookout for it.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Oh there you go. There you go.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Well, I have to get you on some of the
DWP festivals.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
See there, do that.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
Yeah, that's what I'm doing.

Speaker 6 (47:38):
That's that's one of my goals right now, because I
go to the Sonic Temple every year and I say,
you know what, we gotta get we gotta we gotta
like that's a goal, like play any of the stages there.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
Yeah, yeah, I do Sonic every year. A couple of
weeks I'll be at Ink incarceration. That's a cool that's
a cool festival because that's at the Shawshank Prison.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Oh that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
Yeah, it's it's badass.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Like my daughter will always go She's like, so you're
excited about this festival. I'm like, well, I love doing it.
I don't know if it's say it's the right word
when you're doing it every weekend. But then the first
time I did that festival, I called her up. I'm like,
now I'm excited. I'm calling you from the prison yard
of Shawshank and that is cool, right, And then I'm

(48:24):
like I'm taking.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
Pictures, like before the festival starts, like.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
In the morning, there's this other band member taking pictures
and it's like, hey, can you take my picture and
I'll take yours. He goes, look at us, we're fanboying
out on Shawshank Prison. So yeah, let's get you to
those festivals.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
It sounds good to me, man, I'd love it.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
There you go, Well, anything else you want to add
that The listeners need to know that we haven't covered already.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
No, I think we back covered it, man.

Speaker 4 (48:55):
Hopefully they, like I said, look us up wherever you
look for music and give us a fall.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Check it out and hopefully we'll see you live.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Absolutely well, you guys keep rocking, and Matt you keep
those old dudes in line.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
I'll do my best.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
And there it is, and and so you better make
sure you're on time.

Speaker 6 (49:20):
Because I said, hey, I need a click, and then
Vince was like, no, no, you don't.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
You're good. That's great.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
You were instantly tighter when he came in, so he
is our click.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
I love it. Well, that's amazing. Your music's amazing. Thanks
for still making music, and thanks for being on the
Adventures of pipe Man.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
Hey, as long as there's people there to listen, we'll
make it. So thank you very much for having us man,
you got it, take it easy.

Speaker 6 (49:47):
Thank you for listening to the Adventures of pate Man.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
I'm w for CUI Radio.

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