May 23, 2026 • 44 mins
The Dutch deathcore band DISTANT played at the 2026 Welcome to Rockville festival in Daytona Beach, Florida. They performed on Sunday, May 10th, appearing on the Vortex Stage at 1:35 p.m.
DISTANT is a 4-piece crushing DOWNTEMPO DEATHCORE band hailing from Rotterdam, The Netherlands and Bratislava, Slovakia.
Finishing up our USA tour and new single Rat Torture releases May 21.
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DISTANT is a 4-piece crushing DOWNTEMPO DEATHCORE band hailing from Rotterdam, The Netherlands and Bratislava, Slovakia.
Finishing up our USA tour and new single Rat Torture releases May 21.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hi, you love one to censure.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Wow for you you.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Oh my god, oh my god.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
This is the pipe Man here on the Avengers Pipe
Man W four C Y Radio, and I'm here back
in South Florida.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I was at Welcome to Rockville.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I got evacuated three days in a row. One of
those days I was supposed to have an interview with
this really badass band and it just didn't happen. Nature
decided it was not in the cards. But nature decided
it is in the cards today. So we are here
with Elmer from distant.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
How are you.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I'm good, I'm beck. I'm safe now, so I.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Know, And we're actually kind of lucky when we scheduled
this because I wasn't surprised about Rockville. Okay, I've been
to Rockville since like twenty thirteen, and I think there's
only one.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Time I was not evacuated.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
But it's like that here during this time of year,
it's like three four o'clock, three to five, you can
generally set your alarm clock that it's gonna be a
thunderstorm with sometimes badass lightning and a serious torrential downpour.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
And as you saw, that was very true at Welcome
to Rockville.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Oh yeah, Well I was really surprised, to be honest,
because I'm used to the European festivals and when something
like this happens, it's just chaos. Yeah, it's cancelation, so
festival and it doesn't continue. But it seems to like,
seems like a smooth procedure and welcome to rock fill
way to just continue again.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Well, the Wimmor festivals have a lot of experience with
evacuations because I've had a lot of them over the
heres at different ones. But I think the way they
did this year was really good, Like they really honed
in on because really no bands really got cut.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
There were only two bands that didn't play.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
One that's because they had to go on to their
next gig, you know, and that happens, you know, like
you're sometimes you're on timeline, like and you're supposed to
get on load out like as soon as you're you know,
done with your gig, and then another one she just disappeared.
So she probably figured too, like you would think like, oh,
(02:46):
well it's over now, Like.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I bet you that's what happened.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
She probably was like, oh it's gonna be all canceled
altogether now. But what's cool too is Wimmer always has
a good connection with the local law enforcement and first responders.
So I remember, like several years ago at Rock on
the Range, what was Sonic It was either Sonic Temple
(03:13):
or Rock on the Range. But Metallica was supposed to
headline and we and there was a massive storm. We
got evacuated, and people were in the Facebook groups threatening
that they were going to riot if Metallica didn't play.
And then where it was had you know the you know,
(03:36):
the noise ordinance, so you couldn't play a past a
certain time.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
No matter what.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Wimmer actually got the law enforcement in the area to
extend the curfew so Mentallica could play. They played at
one in the morning, which would be normal if we
were at Hellfest or someplace like that, but in the
States it's not always normal to be able to play at.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
One in the morning.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
I think it would suck being a band though, right,
Like you're supposed to play at a certain time, and
you go and you're all pumped up to play, and
then you got wait till one in the morning.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Like you're all deflated by that time.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Right, especially if you have to sit around and wait.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Right, that's the point. If you're doing something, it's one thing.
But if you're sitting around and waiting, man, it's rough
to get through right there, especially when you're in the
headline band. But I got to check out your set
at Rockville, and oh my god, you definitely represented the
(04:46):
Northern European area very well because you guys were brutal.
And I say that in the best of ways. Yeah,
well that's what we like, right, I mean I I
often think that bands in your part of the world
are so brutal and so great because the weather sucks
so bad most of the time, so you got nothing
(05:08):
better to do but to play your mutes.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Well that's how it feels, yeah, especially coming to the US,
where the weather is always nice just wherever you.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Go, right except when you're evacuated from a festival.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
That's still the weather is nice.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Like it's yeah, exactly. Well, I gotta tell you something
I don't know. I'm some kind more on because I've
been going to your country a lot for the past
thirty years, and for some reason, I don't know what
kind of idiot I am. I almost always except one time,
(05:45):
have gone during the winter and that decision, Oh my god,
and then the last time was okay. I spent two
months in Amsterdam, and then I spent another couple of
weeks and then huh, but you know how Amsterdam is,
It's already built on water. So for the three months
(06:07):
that I was in the Netherlands that year a couple
of years ago, I saw a total of three hours.
Suddenly and it was freezing. Imagine I live in South Florida.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
You know, I'm used to cold.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I'm from New York and New Jersey, but now I'm
used to Florida.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
But that was bad enough.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
But walking through Amsterdam and I'm gonna type that I
won't let that stuff stop me. And I was walking
every day through Amsterdam in that misty, freezing rain as
my least favorite part of winter anywhere, you know, like
they have that New Jersey and I'm like, I'd rather
it would snow, to be honest, you know than that
exok me, freezing misty rain. I was cure the winter then,
(06:51):
like I was like, you know what, I don't think
I'm coming back here in the winter from now on,
I'm going to be smart and due to summer.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Way better.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
That's why we always hope to get to the us
in the winter, especially to Florida. So we've been looking
out to flying over for the last off year. Of course. Yeah,
just get the winter, I know, right.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
And it's like I've concerned several times moving the Netherlands
because I love it so much there. But now I'm
convinced that if I do, it's not going to be
I'm gonna like take the winter off, like I won't
live there in the winter, you know. But I mean
otherwise it's a beautiful country, and it is really beautiful
(07:40):
in the summer. I don't know why I always went
in the winter, because it is really beautiful in the summer.
But yeah, I love your performance, not only at Rockville,
but I love your newest single because it is so
freaking brutal, Like I just.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Was.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I was listening to it before the interview again, just
to pump up for the interview. Nice, So tell us
a little bit about for the listeners that don't know
you guys. I know it's funny. I'm not a genre person,
but I kind of laughed in one of the descriptions
I saw that said a four piece crushing down Temple
(08:21):
Death Corps band, Yeah, and I was like, that's.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Pretty cool because, like a lot of times in my interviews.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
At the festivals, because I do festivals all over the US,
UK and Europe, because it's so stupid nowadays with the
micro genres and the subgenres that a lot of times
when I have somebody an interview, I'm like, well, if
you had your own genre to your own band was in,
what would you call it? And then I saw this,
(08:51):
I'm like, man, that would be the answer right there,
crushing down temple death core, Like I like that as
a good ring to it. Yeah, So tell us a
little bit about your Well, let's go first, let's talk
a little bit about the experience of Rockville for you,
(09:12):
Like you're used to doing the European festivals.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
US festivals used to be shit.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Compared to European festivals, and I think we're kind of taken,
you know, you know, we're taking some tips from the
European festivals. And now that you played Welcome to Rockville,
how do you feel about that statement I just made.
Do you think it was you know, as well run
and as cool as a European festival.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Well, to be honest, I absolutely agree with it. Like
I was not expecting this and this not in a
bad way, but in a good way. Yeah, as I
had to hope to be honest, that it would be
a totally different experience to play a festival and in
the US. But it felt very European like were organized. Yeah,
(10:08):
just in general. It might have might have been just
for the for the weather and the thunderstorm shin out
of the fix, but otherwise I would have thought.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
That was I was in Europe, right, And see, I
think that's where the Wimmer festivals are so great because
he recognized what Europe has with music festivals that we
didn't have like our US festivals before. Wimmer was more
like carnivals or fairs than music festivals, is the best
(10:39):
way I could put it.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Like it was just like.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
It wasn't well organized, it was crappy food. It was
like just this, for lack of a better way of
putting in a ship show and Danny Wimmer just runs
a well oiled machine, which means leads me to the
next question, how did you feel Damny Wimmer treated you
as an artist?
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Because I think that's so important.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah, I agree to that, And actually there was was
really well organized. So from from the start where everything
was advanced properly, but also to to just the catering
and the and the backstages again, yeah, very very you
being experience where it's just super organized. There's there's nothing
(11:33):
you can complain about even and that's that's that's a
bit of different compared to or general US experience where
for shows in general, you get a buyout, which means
you have to get your own food. Yeah. Really pretty
hard in the US because there there isn't any food
(11:53):
shops around the corner, so you have to order order food.
So you're Yeah, you just suffer on your health because
you can't get a proper meal, you can't eat dinner
at the proper time. And here at this festival, there's
plenty of healthy food all day long.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
So I love hearing that really because it's so important.
The reason I think it's so important, first of all,
as an artist, you need a stress free and experience,
you know, and like nothing's worth that showing up to
a festival. You have problems with catering, you have problems
with loading, you have problems with soundcheck, and it just
(12:35):
puts your emotions and your mind in the wrong place
to be prepared to do a gig.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah, to be honest, I think I think that's help.
That helps a lot, and I don't think you should
you should budget on it because if if the ideals
feels comfortable, does have any complaints about anything, then just
in general, the performance will be good if you're there
on stage and your angry and thirsty.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Performance exactly exactly. And so I think that's where Danny
Wimmer gets it. He gets that one of the most
important parts is the artist, because if you please the artist,
I think you're gonna please the audience at the same
time exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
The artist is gonna give them their best show, and
everybody is going to be happy that they've seen so
many bands at their best.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Right.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
So what did also feel like to play at one
of the most famous race tracks in the whole world.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
It's felt a bit surreal, just just because I would
all look like for us as Europeans, we're not very
familiar with with Nascar. I'm a Formula one guy, so
I would have hoped to be in Miami on the
on the F one track. This track does look way cooler,
(13:58):
to be honest.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Oh my god, It's like it's so much fun riding
on the track too, and that wall it.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Doesn't look like that on TV.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Like that wall is insane that they have to drive
around they have to hit that wall that corner at
eighty miles per hour in order to not.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Fall off the wall. Yeah, exactly, that's insane, you know.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
And it's like, okay, so do you remember seeing I
have a trivia question for you, but we're not there,
so you might not remember it. Asked all the bands,
do you remember seeing the seats in the stands, not
where the audience was, but for the raceway, and they
were all like multicolor seats. I haven't seen this, so okay,
(14:43):
so then I'll just tell you this is interesting. So
all the seats are in different colors and they do
it to make it look like the stands are full.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Oh okay, you know.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
And I was interviewing the NASCAR driver at Rockville and
he explained it perfectly to me too. He said, like
you go to a football game, I mean not a
football game, basketball game, and they'll be like twenty thousand
people okay here in the States.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah that.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
That Daytona Speedway holds one hundred thousand people. So he said,
imagine putting twenty thousand people it would look like the
place was empty. Yeah, so just the trickery have you know,
optical illusions, you know. And it's funny you talk about
(15:37):
the racetrack.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Like I'm going in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I go over the year.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
I do coverage I download which is also at a
racetrack in the UK. But I never feel like I'm
at a racetrack there. I don't even know I'm a
racetrack except the fact that I know whereas it the
dayton Speedway. You know, you're playing in the field, in
the infield of the speedway exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
You can to go around it, right exactly.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
I had to drive on the speedway to get to
my parking at media. I mean, like I say it, like,
oh poor me. But I always fanboy out on it
every time, like I'm driving on the Daytona Speedway.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Oh man.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
And so let's go back to you know, your newest song,
rat Torture. Yeah, So, like I said, it is absolutely brutal.
Tell us about that song, because the first thing I
think of in that song is, you know, I'm from
New York City and it's like being in downtown New
(16:42):
York City that you know you're getting tortured by rats everywhere.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
So you tell us your version, because I know that's.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Not what it is. No, it's it's just it's just
a playoff. Words is about like this new age where
everybody is glued to their to the screens and it
it feels like some sort of torture mechanism. While there's
(17:17):
there is a way to escape it and get get
out of it, but just people are to fixate it
on the screens that they cannot.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Oh, I'm telling it for sure. And I was thinking.
I was thinking, like the rat race.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
That's the pun on the words, because oh my god,
like social media is so anti social yeah, you know,
and it is true, like everybody's so addicted in the
kids are becoming they're addicted from day one, Like you
can't take that electronic device away from them.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah, exactly, and it's hard to get again to go
against it, of course, like like I also, we're now
doing an interview over a computersh So it's right, it's
part of society. But just yeah, sometimes you just need
to realize it and also get your bread out of it.
(18:14):
I do kind of aware then it's fine in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
That's I don't know if it's true or not, but
I do find when I go to Europe there are
a lot less addicted than we are. I mean, doesn't
mean they're not using their devices, but I saw a
lot more people putting their devices down in public when
they're with people and hanging out and actually experiencing life,
whereas here, Yeah, like I'll go out to dinner with
(18:41):
my kids and grandkids and everybody's.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
On their devices.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
At the dinner table, you know, and it's it's insane,
but it is also there's, like you said, there's a
good part. It's a good way for you guys to
get your music out to a lot more people, you know,
and a lot more no geographic limitations or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
We can always talk about what the negative of that is,
but I'd better focus on the positive.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
And the positive is.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
It gives bands like you to have the kind of
brutal audience you did at Welcome to Rockville, all these
thousands of miles away, exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
So it's we're not complaining against that. Obviously, a very
active online as well, also glued to our screen. Sometimes
I just need to be aware of it. And in
some way, of course, you hope that this gets better,
(19:47):
and this would have been better or otherwise. But yeah,
but what's what's the other alternative?
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Right?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I know it's here.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
I you know.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I did tell my youngest daughter one time. I was like,
you know, some days I just want to gain my car,
drive down the road, throw my phone, laptop and iPad
out the window, and keep driving. Yeah, she goes to me, Dad,
who are you kidding? You're just as addicted as a bay.
I'm like, you're right, But I also do remember a
(20:20):
time when I didn't have any of these devices, and
I think it was a lot better and a lot
less stressful.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, sometimes you just have some of these days,
and that's that's where the music came from.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
So you're located in Rotterdam. That's your favorite part about Rotterdam.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
I think it's a very new new city because we
got the bomb by the Germans. Yes, so it's it's
it's literally a newer city, but you can feel it,
like and how the people are like, it's very yeah,
more futuristic or something compared to other Dutch cities where
(21:11):
very much yeah, going more with the trends and uh,
keeping up with the technology. So I like it because
it's not that touristy as well, compared to, for example, Amsterdam. Yeah,
so just for for us, it definitely feels like it
(21:33):
feels like.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
A well I think with the I think except for
the architecture, Amsterdam is more like an americancy than Dutch Sea.
And in fact, funny thing is we're talking about it.
You know, I've tried to learn Dutch and then people
and some people said to me, well, if you speak
Dutch in Amsterdam, people are gonna look at you weird.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
I thought that was so weird. It's like it's like, say,
where I live.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
If you speak English, you're gonna look weird. You know,
but that is true in Miami. If you're speaking English,
they will look at you k weird in Miami. But
you know, I was telling you before the interview, and
so true. Like I was so surprised because when I
went to Rotterdam for the first time, you know, you
(22:24):
expect things when you're in Europe, everything's to look European,
and you know, you go to Amsterdam as all the
ancient European architecture. But like you said, the Germans bombed Rotterdam,
so they were forced to rebuild the whole thing. And
I drove in at night and listen, I've been to
some of the most beautiful cities in the world, and
(22:45):
I'm born in New York.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I was in Awe.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
When I was driving up, I was like, oh my god,
this is like the most beautiful city I've ever seen.
And it was very modern, it was very full modern,
just such a different vibe than Amsterdam. I did like
it better because it was less touristy like when I
go to the Netherlands. Like even when I was saying
(23:10):
I was staying in Amsterdam for a couple months, I
wasn't living in Amsterdam. I was living in Amsterden because
because I want to live with the locals, not in
the tourist area. And you know, so Rotterdam, I really
loved it and I had a lot of fun there,
(23:32):
and I also think it's kind of good in a
way to I mean, things have changed because we have
it partially legal here in the States, but the fact
that even though you had places that were dispensaries, what
we call dispensaries in Rotterdam, it wasn't so obvious. It
wasn't like Americans going to Rotterdam so they could go
(23:54):
smoke pot exactly, you know, and that's basically what Amsterdam
always went it was when I first went there, it
was like it was just a bunch of Americans, like
I remember Gang Friendly with a lot of Dutch people there,
and they could give two craps back. And I think
that is the benefit of thatvent legal because with it legal,
you don't really care so much, so you know, you're
(24:18):
not going to make a big deal about it. But
I love your culture there. I love I love like
everything about your country and now I have a new
band that I love in that country.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
So is that the was that?
Speaker 2 (24:33):
What was that the first time you did a Danny
Winter Festival?
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Yeah, yeah, that's the first one.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
So we'll have to see you come a lot more then. Okay,
I'm glad that you were there. What else do you
have going on this year in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Six, Yes, I'm in two weeks we start or European
Summer festivals. So we got a couple of big ones
on there like Ross Pop and uh Jer on air.
That's an action first so we're very much excited for that. Yeah,
(25:16):
later in the year, hopefully something in the US again.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Yeah, And you did Sonic Temple too, right, No, we didn't.
Oh what were you supposed to perform at Sonic Temple?
Speaker 1 (25:30):
We hope to do it, but we did it. We
didn't get invited. You know.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
That's so funny because I didn't see it on the lineup. Uh,
And I knew I didn't cover it this year because
they didn't have any interviews. But then when I was
like googling, it said that Google said you did play there,
So that's pretty funny.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
So what we did is we did We did a
run with in Flames and Throne Rocord to Rockville and
they were playing Sonic Temple.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
So maybe Google just things since they're on tour together.
They were playing there too, literally said your pand played there.
I'm like, I don't remember seeing them on the lineup. No,
you know, but if you're gonna pick one of the two,
I think Rockville was the better one. And we had
more people at Rockville too, So on one festival because
(26:22):
I do a bunch of them over there that I
haven't done yet. Of doing, I want to find out
if you've ever played Dynamo. Have you played Dynamo Festival?
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yeah, of course, that's that's a famous Dutch one. Yeah,
used to be a really big one back in the
nineteen nineties. Too big for the Netherlands even that's why
they eventually canceled it because yeah, people were struck stuck
in traffic for days, or the infrastructure of the Netherlands,
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since we since we were such a small country, wasn't
made for such a youag festival.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
That's why I don't drive when I'm in another Wins band,
because it's so easy to get everywhere without carr and
it's so difficult.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah. In fact, it's.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
They they resurrected the Dynamo Festival again, but now it's
in a in the is Hockey Stadium, so it's they
cannot scale it bigger than the confines of the of
the ice Hockey Stadium. But it's a nice one since
they put the stages on both ends of the of
the ring. So once once one band finished and you
(27:35):
just walked to the other side, I think, and what's.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
The next band?
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Nice?
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Well yeah, see that's not so easy to say it, Rockville,
because to walk to the other side is like.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yeah, like walking to Denmark, you know.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
I get like when I do a lot of festivals,
I get like eighty miles walking in a whole weekend.
You know, Like I also do Hellfest. Oh my god, that.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Festival is huge. I love that. I love that festival.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
It's huge, and it's it's just insane, like the decorations
there and what you know. It It is amazing how
a lot of your European festivals they kind of like
start really small and then they just end up like
owning the whole property or city, Like you know, Healfest
(28:32):
pretty much owns Clisson and you got Vakin which pretty
much own that's its own city. And you know, it
is pretty amazing not only how they're run, but how
they've built these things from like nothing, from like little
teeny festivals.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
But that's that's also the nice thing about it. Like
it starts around the small town and that whole town
will just live up to that festival whole year, and
once it starts growing, they really get an attachment, yeah,
the festival. So nobody of a neighbor's scarish that the
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festival's there, because it's just that's their life. Basically, they're
proud of it. I see.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
I love that attitude because you don't usually have that
attitude here in the States, Like even in the town
next to me where I live in, they built this
whole area and this little amphitheater for bands to play,
but they built apartments there, and the people they ended
up not using the amphitheater because all the people live
(29:38):
in apartments complained, and I'm like, you know, the ampitheater
is going to be there, why you get the apartment there.
I would get the apartment there just because i'd have
a good view, you know, but and hear the music,
But I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Like that's why I see too, Like.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Here in the States, people will comp playing about every
little thing I have festival, and I don't hear anybody
complain when I do the European or the UK festivals,
Like they're all and they're under some really bad conditions
sometimes and they're just like the culture of loving this
stuff and loving the music. We're just talking about this
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in the last in the last interview, I was doing
like there are a lot of bands that were big
in LA in the eighties that I thought were gone forever,
and it turned out they were just in Europe all
these years I was playing at the European festivals because
it's like you turn on the radio in Europe and
(30:41):
it's like eighties radio, you know, and it's so wild.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
So, speaking of eighties, where would you say your.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Influences first came from to be it and to do
the type of music you do now.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Yeah, it's a bit hard to say it like that
we refer to the eighties because we're we're far away
from the eighties.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
But that's why, you know why I said that.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
I said that because I saw Possessed in the very beginning,
and I think they pretty much started most anything that
had death in it.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah, of course it's a I'm really I'm really old
school that metal guys, So that's where it came from
for me. But yeah, I think I think mostly for
us we started back in twenty twelve. Mostly for us
came from the first wave of dead core, which started
(31:45):
around two thousand and six, two thousand and seven, and
back then it grew out to a nice size, but
it's stagnated. Around twenty twelve came became a bit more
uh clustered, and that's also when downtemple dead core emerged.
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And for for us, as Europeans, especially dark Dutch people
were were a couple of years behind in our music genres.
So back when everybody here in the Netherlands was still
playing melodic ardcore because that's what was in in the
(32:31):
US in two thousand and five or something, we were
picking up Deadcore and downtowp Downtemple. Deadcore as basically the
only band in the Netherlands and we got we got
booed a lot. So we exactly we directly started focusing
on going abroad, playing in playing in the UK because
(32:56):
UK is is a bit more I had of the
of the mainland Europe in the music daste, so there
we got accepted and that's that's how it grew from there.
So yeah, I think the main influences are really just
the old school death score of the first generation nice.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
So saying that something popped into my head that I
wouldn't have even think to ask Toll while you were
talking about it, especially because they played at Rockville too.
What's your opinion of like Bring Me to Rise and
originally being death core and now they're like, you know,
they're they're not what they originally were. They've evolved and
(33:42):
they're definitely far from death core now in some respects.
I mean, I love them so I'm not throwing a
shade because I love them, but I'm not. I'm not
wanting the original bring Me fans, Like if I was,
i'd probably think differently. Just like I saw Metallica's first
show ever when the Black album came out, I was like,
fucking posers.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
I'm never listening to them again.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Yes, in my opinion, like Bring Me the Horizon is
an o G first generation death COO band because their
first album and uh Suicide Silence the Glansing album, those
two albums in two thousand and seven were really my thing.
Am I like to go to deathcore albums? It they
(34:32):
started evolving over the years. They did it pretty slow,
but still they went far away from the from the
dead core genre. So for me personally, I just didn't
keep track with it right just because yeah I did.
I didn't feel like their new music. I wasn't. I
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wasn't hating on them though, Like I don't think they're
they're poses because of it, and I would I would
still go to a show hoping that they play some
of their old stuff. But I think for them it
worked out really.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Nice and they do have an amazing live show yea,
and they.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Got they got so big with it. And also I
think that it's just good for for dead core in
general because then the new generation of people getting loving
Bring Me the Rise and will go to their older
albums and discover that they also got like a heavy
side and bring them into the heavy music. So I
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think it's good for for us as a as a
genre as dead core that bands like Bringing the Horizon
are there to draw in the new kids, we discover
their old stuff. And I think especially now since Bring
Me the Rison is is going back to their roots
and doing a show with the first album, so there's
(36:00):
still activity promoting it and nice to us as a genre.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Well, I love that answer because I agree with you
a million percent, And I have two responses to that.
One is, you know, if it weren't for Metallica maybe
doing that black album, who knows, if we'd have two
hundred and ten thousand people that welcome to rock Pille
for metal, you know, like days And it's based on
(36:28):
what you just said, you know, it's like, you know
you're bringing new people, but then you go to the
back catalog and that that is what happened with me
would Bring Me to Horizon because I saw them for
the first time several years ago at a Danny Wimmer festival.
I didn't know them, and it was when That's the
(36:48):
spirit came out and I was like, oh my god,
I love them because they had such a great live show.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
But to your point, that made.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Me go back to their through their catalog to the beginning,
and I really loved their old stuff. So it was
like I am that example of you know, I wasn't
inn og bring me the Rizon fan, so I didn't
have that, you know, oh man, they changed to they
are thing. I had more of like, wow, they were
(37:21):
really good live. Now let me check out the rest
of their music.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Yeah exactly. Well, I even have to with some just
schedule friends who who aren't really that much into metal,
but I do like bringing me to Rizon and they're
always like, yeah, but I do love the old album
and just right, they like the newest, newer stuff, they
can just accept the older stuff as well. And that's
(37:49):
the way I also expect accept what kind of music
that I'm making.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Yeah exactly, And that's that is the point there, And
you know all we did make good point. In an
interview I heard him talking on where he said, why
do I want to write the same song over and
over again, and I could see that. You know, like
an artist you're doing for that may years, you want
to just keep writing the exact same thing over and
over again.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
You kind of want to.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
The whole thing of metal is experimentation, right, so you
want to experiment what you can do.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
It has two signs of the coin, to be honest, like,
I definitely agree to that. Like with metal, you can
just do whatever you want, but it goes both ways,
like for example, with us now and that's that's coming
back to your earlier question about about their new single
and or previous singles as well, like or or for
(38:44):
first album was just really raw and unpolished. Then we
started experimenting polishing it up more with the previous albums.
But now we're more like, yeah, let's let's just not
make it too polished. We we wanted rowst off again
like on the first album, and that's that's that's what
(39:06):
you get now with this, with these newer singles, you
get the rollness of a first album. We careless what
other people think in a sense that we just want
to do what we love and also feel like that
if if, if we do what we love. We will
still have fans, We will still have people that like
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us just because they see that we perform something that
we love to perform.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Yeah, totally, and I agree with that million percent because
if you don't love it, how can you expect other
people to love it? Like and people can tell when
you're just forcing it or if you're doing because that's who.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
You are exactly. Yeah, that's that's the typical sell out.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Bend, right right.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
But you know to your point what you're saying, and
I think that holds true to what you said about
bringing the Rising going back and they're going to play
their full album or even Metallica because some of their
newest stuff is to me, reminds me of the Kill
Them All days, you know. And so the way I
kind of put it now as an adult exposed to
(40:19):
acting like a teenager, is well, maybe they did it
a certain way for a while, but now that enabled
them to go back to their roots and people want
to listen to it, and now you've reached the masses
and now they'll hear it because otherwise how many people
have heard Kill Them All?
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Exactly? Yeah, So it's it's it's it's maybe part of
the evolution of a of a smart band.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
There it is, there, it is.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Well, you guys are a smart band because you're doing
exactly that. And you killed it at Welcome to Rockville
and uh, you know this new song.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Oh my god, it's just it's just rat torture.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Man.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Yeah, I wonder if you could do like science experiments
and put rats in like a lab and play your
song to them and see if they feel tortured by it.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
That's a whole different story. But on the other I
am a scientist actually working in cancer research. We are
putting rats to the test, but that's with cancer medicine,
not with a music there you go.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Yeah, one of my best bros.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
He's also a scientist that's working on proteins to cure cancer.
So man, you guys are doing great work for sure.
See you're helping the world with these diseases, and then
you're helping the world with mental issues with your music
because music is the best therapy.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
I agree. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
And the last thing is tell everybody, first of all,
how to connect you on socials and more importantly, had
to buy your merch a because they can't listen to
my show. And let's say buy your merch because it's
the only way bands get the next gig nowadays. B
I was looking through your merch store. I was like, man,
you have a lot of badass merch.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Yeah, we really love a merch game.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Oh my god, some of it's so cool.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Yeah, well you can get it on a distantofficial dot com.
I have to ship everything from air fio that we
do ship it from the Netherlands, and I think that
that's also the best way to stay connected besides just
the general Instagram and Facebook.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
And I also have to ask you, okay because I
can't see clearly, but behind you, is that all your
like artist passes from your gigs?
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Yeah? Exactly, nice section.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
I love how you did that.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Like, I have all my credentials, but they're like stuffed
in a bag and a drawer somewhere.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
I like what you did there.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
That's a waste. I love looking at them and just
having a glimpse of them just gives you motivation.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Yeah, totally, That's why I'm seeing man like, hmm, maybe
that's what I should do in my studio with all
of you.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
I love it. Well, you guys are badass.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Everybody's got to check you out they got to buy
your merch and definitely look forward to seeing a lot
more of you at the US festivals and I hope
I catch you at a European festival too.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Yeah, hopefully without a dinner storm this time.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
And I know, right, I know right, we don't want that,
but you know it's part of it though, right, you
got you got to weather the storm and when you're
me ahead for sure checking you. Thanks a lot for
being on the Adventures of pipe Man.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Thanks very much.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pipemin on
w for c u I Radio.
Hi, you love one to censure.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Wow for you you.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Oh my god, oh my god.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
This is the pipe Man here on the Avengers Pipe
Man W four C Y Radio, and I'm here back
in South Florida.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I was at Welcome to Rockville.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I got evacuated three days in a row. One of
those days I was supposed to have an interview with
this really badass band and it just didn't happen. Nature
decided it was not in the cards. But nature decided
it is in the cards today. So we are here
with Elmer from distant.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
How are you.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I'm good, I'm beck. I'm safe now, so I.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Know, And we're actually kind of lucky when we scheduled
this because I wasn't surprised about Rockville. Okay, I've been
to Rockville since like twenty thirteen, and I think there's
only one.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Time I was not evacuated.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
But it's like that here during this time of year,
it's like three four o'clock, three to five, you can
generally set your alarm clock that it's gonna be a
thunderstorm with sometimes badass lightning and a serious torrential downpour.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
And as you saw, that was very true at Welcome
to Rockville.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Oh yeah, Well I was really surprised, to be honest,
because I'm used to the European festivals and when something
like this happens, it's just chaos. Yeah, it's cancelation, so
festival and it doesn't continue. But it seems to like,
seems like a smooth procedure and welcome to rock fill
way to just continue again.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Well, the Wimmor festivals have a lot of experience with
evacuations because I've had a lot of them over the
heres at different ones. But I think the way they
did this year was really good, Like they really honed
in on because really no bands really got cut.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
There were only two bands that didn't play.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
One that's because they had to go on to their
next gig, you know, and that happens, you know, like
you're sometimes you're on timeline, like and you're supposed to
get on load out like as soon as you're you know,
done with your gig, and then another one she just disappeared.
So she probably figured too, like you would think like, oh,
(02:46):
well it's over now, Like.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I bet you that's what happened.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
She probably was like, oh it's gonna be all canceled
altogether now. But what's cool too is Wimmer always has
a good connection with the local law enforcement and first responders.
So I remember, like several years ago at Rock on
the Range, what was Sonic It was either Sonic Temple
(03:13):
or Rock on the Range. But Metallica was supposed to
headline and we and there was a massive storm. We
got evacuated, and people were in the Facebook groups threatening
that they were going to riot if Metallica didn't play.
And then where it was had you know the you know,
(03:36):
the noise ordinance, so you couldn't play a past a
certain time.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
No matter what.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Wimmer actually got the law enforcement in the area to
extend the curfew so Mentallica could play. They played at
one in the morning, which would be normal if we
were at Hellfest or someplace like that, but in the
States it's not always normal to be able to play at.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
One in the morning.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
I think it would suck being a band though, right,
Like you're supposed to play at a certain time, and
you go and you're all pumped up to play, and
then you got wait till one in the morning.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Like you're all deflated by that time.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Right, especially if you have to sit around and wait.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Right, that's the point. If you're doing something, it's one thing.
But if you're sitting around and waiting, man, it's rough
to get through right there, especially when you're in the
headline band. But I got to check out your set
at Rockville, and oh my god, you definitely represented the
(04:46):
Northern European area very well because you guys were brutal.
And I say that in the best of ways. Yeah,
well that's what we like, right, I mean I I
often think that bands in your part of the world
are so brutal and so great because the weather sucks
so bad most of the time, so you got nothing
(05:08):
better to do but to play your mutes.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Well that's how it feels, yeah, especially coming to the US,
where the weather is always nice just wherever you.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Go, right except when you're evacuated from a festival.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
That's still the weather is nice.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Like it's yeah, exactly. Well, I gotta tell you something
I don't know. I'm some kind more on because I've
been going to your country a lot for the past
thirty years, and for some reason, I don't know what
kind of idiot I am. I almost always except one time,
(05:45):
have gone during the winter and that decision, Oh my god,
and then the last time was okay. I spent two
months in Amsterdam, and then I spent another couple of
weeks and then huh, but you know how Amsterdam is,
It's already built on water. So for the three months
(06:07):
that I was in the Netherlands that year a couple
of years ago, I saw a total of three hours.
Suddenly and it was freezing. Imagine I live in South Florida.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
You know, I'm used to cold.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I'm from New York and New Jersey, but now I'm
used to Florida.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
But that was bad enough.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
But walking through Amsterdam and I'm gonna type that I
won't let that stuff stop me. And I was walking
every day through Amsterdam in that misty, freezing rain as
my least favorite part of winter anywhere, you know, like
they have that New Jersey and I'm like, I'd rather
it would snow, to be honest, you know than that
exok me, freezing misty rain. I was cure the winter then,
(06:51):
like I was like, you know what, I don't think
I'm coming back here in the winter from now on,
I'm going to be smart and due to summer.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Way better.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
That's why we always hope to get to the us
in the winter, especially to Florida. So we've been looking
out to flying over for the last off year. Of course. Yeah,
just get the winter, I know, right.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
And it's like I've concerned several times moving the Netherlands
because I love it so much there. But now I'm
convinced that if I do, it's not going to be
I'm gonna like take the winter off, like I won't
live there in the winter, you know. But I mean
otherwise it's a beautiful country, and it is really beautiful
(07:40):
in the summer. I don't know why I always went
in the winter, because it is really beautiful in the summer.
But yeah, I love your performance, not only at Rockville,
but I love your newest single because it is so
freaking brutal, Like I just.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Was.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I was listening to it before the interview again, just
to pump up for the interview. Nice, So tell us
a little bit about for the listeners that don't know
you guys. I know it's funny. I'm not a genre person,
but I kind of laughed in one of the descriptions
I saw that said a four piece crushing down Temple
(08:21):
Death Corps band, Yeah, and I was like, that's.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Pretty cool because, like a lot of times in my interviews.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
At the festivals, because I do festivals all over the US,
UK and Europe, because it's so stupid nowadays with the
micro genres and the subgenres that a lot of times
when I have somebody an interview, I'm like, well, if
you had your own genre to your own band was in,
what would you call it? And then I saw this,
(08:51):
I'm like, man, that would be the answer right there,
crushing down temple death core, Like I like that as
a good ring to it. Yeah, So tell us a
little bit about your Well, let's go first, let's talk
a little bit about the experience of Rockville for you,
(09:12):
Like you're used to doing the European festivals.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
US festivals used to be shit.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Compared to European festivals, and I think we're kind of taken,
you know, you know, we're taking some tips from the
European festivals. And now that you played Welcome to Rockville,
how do you feel about that statement I just made.
Do you think it was you know, as well run
and as cool as a European festival.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Well, to be honest, I absolutely agree with it. Like
I was not expecting this and this not in a
bad way, but in a good way. Yeah, as I
had to hope to be honest, that it would be
a totally different experience to play a festival and in
the US. But it felt very European like were organized. Yeah,
(10:08):
just in general. It might have might have been just
for the for the weather and the thunderstorm shin out
of the fix, but otherwise I would have thought.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
That was I was in Europe, right, And see, I
think that's where the Wimmer festivals are so great because
he recognized what Europe has with music festivals that we
didn't have like our US festivals before. Wimmer was more
like carnivals or fairs than music festivals, is the best
(10:39):
way I could put it.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Like it was just like.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
It wasn't well organized, it was crappy food. It was
like just this, for lack of a better way of
putting in a ship show and Danny Wimmer just runs
a well oiled machine, which means leads me to the
next question, how did you feel Damny Wimmer treated you
as an artist?
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Because I think that's so important.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah, I agree to that, And actually there was was
really well organized. So from from the start where everything
was advanced properly, but also to to just the catering
and the and the backstages again, yeah, very very you
being experience where it's just super organized. There's there's nothing
(11:33):
you can complain about even and that's that's that's a
bit of different compared to or general US experience where
for shows in general, you get a buyout, which means
you have to get your own food. Yeah. Really pretty
hard in the US because there there isn't any food
(11:53):
shops around the corner, so you have to order order food.
So you're Yeah, you just suffer on your health because
you can't get a proper meal, you can't eat dinner
at the proper time. And here at this festival, there's
plenty of healthy food all day long.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
So I love hearing that really because it's so important.
The reason I think it's so important, first of all,
as an artist, you need a stress free and experience,
you know, and like nothing's worth that showing up to
a festival. You have problems with catering, you have problems
with loading, you have problems with soundcheck, and it just
(12:35):
puts your emotions and your mind in the wrong place
to be prepared to do a gig.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah, to be honest, I think I think that's help.
That helps a lot, and I don't think you should
you should budget on it because if if the ideals
feels comfortable, does have any complaints about anything, then just
in general, the performance will be good if you're there
on stage and your angry and thirsty.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Performance exactly exactly. And so I think that's where Danny
Wimmer gets it. He gets that one of the most
important parts is the artist, because if you please the artist,
I think you're gonna please the audience at the same
time exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
The artist is gonna give them their best show, and
everybody is going to be happy that they've seen so
many bands at their best.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Right.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
So what did also feel like to play at one
of the most famous race tracks in the whole world.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
It's felt a bit surreal, just just because I would
all look like for us as Europeans, we're not very
familiar with with Nascar. I'm a Formula one guy, so
I would have hoped to be in Miami on the
on the F one track. This track does look way cooler,
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to be honest.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Oh my god, It's like it's so much fun riding
on the track too, and that wall it.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Doesn't look like that on TV.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Like that wall is insane that they have to drive
around they have to hit that wall that corner at
eighty miles per hour in order to not.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Fall off the wall. Yeah, exactly, that's insane, you know.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
And it's like, okay, so do you remember seeing I
have a trivia question for you, but we're not there,
so you might not remember it. Asked all the bands,
do you remember seeing the seats in the stands, not
where the audience was, but for the raceway, and they
were all like multicolor seats. I haven't seen this, so okay,
(14:43):
so then I'll just tell you this is interesting. So
all the seats are in different colors and they do
it to make it look like the stands are full.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Oh okay, you know.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
And I was interviewing the NASCAR driver at Rockville and
he explained it perfectly to me too. He said, like
you go to a football game, I mean not a
football game, basketball game, and they'll be like twenty thousand
people okay here in the States.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah that.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
That Daytona Speedway holds one hundred thousand people. So he said,
imagine putting twenty thousand people it would look like the
place was empty. Yeah, so just the trickery have you know,
optical illusions, you know. And it's funny you talk about
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the racetrack.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Like I'm going in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I go over the year.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
I do coverage I download which is also at a
racetrack in the UK. But I never feel like I'm
at a racetrack there. I don't even know I'm a
racetrack except the fact that I know whereas it the
dayton Speedway. You know, you're playing in the field, in
the infield of the speedway exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
You can to go around it, right exactly.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
I had to drive on the speedway to get to
my parking at media. I mean, like I say it, like,
oh poor me. But I always fanboy out on it
every time, like I'm driving on the Daytona Speedway.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Oh man.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
And so let's go back to you know, your newest song,
rat Torture. Yeah, So, like I said, it is absolutely brutal.
Tell us about that song, because the first thing I
think of in that song is, you know, I'm from
New York City and it's like being in downtown New
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York City that you know you're getting tortured by rats everywhere.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
So you tell us your version, because I know that's.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Not what it is. No, it's it's just it's just
a playoff. Words is about like this new age where
everybody is glued to their to the screens and it
it feels like some sort of torture mechanism. While there's
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there is a way to escape it and get get
out of it, but just people are to fixate it
on the screens that they cannot.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Oh, I'm telling it for sure. And I was thinking.
I was thinking, like the rat race.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
That's the pun on the words, because oh my god,
like social media is so anti social yeah, you know,
and it is true, like everybody's so addicted in the
kids are becoming they're addicted from day one, Like you
can't take that electronic device away from them.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah, exactly, and it's hard to get again to go
against it, of course, like like I also, we're now
doing an interview over a computersh So it's right, it's
part of society. But just yeah, sometimes you just need
to realize it and also get your bread out of it.
(18:14):
I do kind of aware then it's fine in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
That's I don't know if it's true or not, but
I do find when I go to Europe there are
a lot less addicted than we are. I mean, doesn't
mean they're not using their devices, but I saw a
lot more people putting their devices down in public when
they're with people and hanging out and actually experiencing life,
whereas here, Yeah, like I'll go out to dinner with
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my kids and grandkids and everybody's.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
On their devices.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
At the dinner table, you know, and it's it's insane,
but it is also there's, like you said, there's a
good part. It's a good way for you guys to
get your music out to a lot more people, you know,
and a lot more no geographic limitations or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
We can always talk about what the negative of that is,
but I'd better focus on the positive.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
And the positive is.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
It gives bands like you to have the kind of
brutal audience you did at Welcome to Rockville, all these
thousands of miles away, exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
So it's we're not complaining against that. Obviously, a very
active online as well, also glued to our screen. Sometimes
I just need to be aware of it. And in
some way, of course, you hope that this gets better,
(19:47):
and this would have been better or otherwise. But yeah,
but what's what's the other alternative?
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Right?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I know it's here.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
I you know.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I did tell my youngest daughter one time. I was like,
you know, some days I just want to gain my car,
drive down the road, throw my phone, laptop and iPad
out the window, and keep driving. Yeah, she goes to me, Dad,
who are you kidding? You're just as addicted as a bay.
I'm like, you're right, But I also do remember a
(20:20):
time when I didn't have any of these devices, and
I think it was a lot better and a lot
less stressful.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, sometimes you just have some of these days,
and that's that's where the music came from.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
So you're located in Rotterdam. That's your favorite part about Rotterdam.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
I think it's a very new new city because we
got the bomb by the Germans. Yes, so it's it's
it's literally a newer city, but you can feel it,
like and how the people are like, it's very yeah,
more futuristic or something compared to other Dutch cities where
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very much yeah, going more with the trends and uh,
keeping up with the technology. So I like it because
it's not that touristy as well, compared to, for example, Amsterdam. Yeah,
so just for for us, it definitely feels like it
(21:33):
feels like.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
A well I think with the I think except for
the architecture, Amsterdam is more like an americancy than Dutch Sea.
And in fact, funny thing is we're talking about it.
You know, I've tried to learn Dutch and then people
and some people said to me, well, if you speak
Dutch in Amsterdam, people are gonna look at you weird.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
I thought that was so weird. It's like it's like, say,
where I live.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
If you speak English, you're gonna look weird. You know,
but that is true in Miami. If you're speaking English,
they will look at you k weird in Miami. But
you know, I was telling you before the interview, and
so true. Like I was so surprised because when I
went to Rotterdam for the first time, you know, you
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expect things when you're in Europe, everything's to look European,
and you know, you go to Amsterdam as all the
ancient European architecture. But like you said, the Germans bombed Rotterdam,
so they were forced to rebuild the whole thing. And
I drove in at night and listen, I've been to
some of the most beautiful cities in the world, and
(22:45):
I'm born in New York.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I was in Awe.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
When I was driving up, I was like, oh my god,
this is like the most beautiful city I've ever seen.
And it was very modern, it was very full modern,
just such a different vibe than Amsterdam. I did like
it better because it was less touristy like when I
go to the Netherlands. Like even when I was saying
(23:10):
I was staying in Amsterdam for a couple months, I
wasn't living in Amsterdam. I was living in Amsterden because
because I want to live with the locals, not in
the tourist area. And you know, so Rotterdam, I really
loved it and I had a lot of fun there,
(23:32):
and I also think it's kind of good in a
way to I mean, things have changed because we have
it partially legal here in the States, but the fact
that even though you had places that were dispensaries, what
we call dispensaries in Rotterdam, it wasn't so obvious. It
wasn't like Americans going to Rotterdam so they could go
(23:54):
smoke pot exactly, you know, and that's basically what Amsterdam
always went it was when I first went there, it
was like it was just a bunch of Americans, like
I remember Gang Friendly with a lot of Dutch people there,
and they could give two craps back. And I think
that is the benefit of thatvent legal because with it legal,
you don't really care so much, so you know, you're
(24:18):
not going to make a big deal about it. But
I love your culture there. I love I love like
everything about your country and now I have a new
band that I love in that country.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
So is that the was that?
Speaker 2 (24:33):
What was that the first time you did a Danny
Winter Festival?
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Yeah, yeah, that's the first one.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
So we'll have to see you come a lot more then. Okay,
I'm glad that you were there. What else do you
have going on this year in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Six, Yes, I'm in two weeks we start or European
Summer festivals. So we got a couple of big ones
on there like Ross Pop and uh Jer on air.
That's an action first so we're very much excited for that. Yeah,
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later in the year, hopefully something in the US again.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Yeah, And you did Sonic Temple too, right, No, we didn't.
Oh what were you supposed to perform at Sonic Temple?
Speaker 1 (25:30):
We hope to do it, but we did it. We
didn't get invited. You know.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
That's so funny because I didn't see it on the lineup. Uh,
And I knew I didn't cover it this year because
they didn't have any interviews. But then when I was
like googling, it said that Google said you did play there,
So that's pretty funny.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
So what we did is we did We did a
run with in Flames and Throne Rocord to Rockville and
they were playing Sonic Temple.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
So maybe Google just things since they're on tour together.
They were playing there too, literally said your pand played there.
I'm like, I don't remember seeing them on the lineup. No,
you know, but if you're gonna pick one of the two,
I think Rockville was the better one. And we had
more people at Rockville too, So on one festival because
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I do a bunch of them over there that I
haven't done yet. Of doing, I want to find out
if you've ever played Dynamo. Have you played Dynamo Festival?
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yeah, of course, that's that's a famous Dutch one. Yeah,
used to be a really big one back in the
nineteen nineties. Too big for the Netherlands even that's why
they eventually canceled it because yeah, people were struck stuck
in traffic for days, or the infrastructure of the Netherlands,
(26:54):
since we since we were such a small country, wasn't
made for such a youag festival.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
That's why I don't drive when I'm in another Wins band,
because it's so easy to get everywhere without carr and
it's so difficult.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah. In fact, it's.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
They they resurrected the Dynamo Festival again, but now it's
in a in the is Hockey Stadium, so it's they
cannot scale it bigger than the confines of the of
the ice Hockey Stadium. But it's a nice one since
they put the stages on both ends of the of
the ring. So once once one band finished and you
(27:35):
just walked to the other side, I think, and what's.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
The next band?
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Nice?
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Well yeah, see that's not so easy to say it, Rockville,
because to walk to the other side is like.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yeah, like walking to Denmark, you know.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
I get like when I do a lot of festivals,
I get like eighty miles walking in a whole weekend.
You know, Like I also do Hellfest. Oh my god, that.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Festival is huge. I love that. I love that festival.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
It's huge, and it's it's just insane, like the decorations
there and what you know. It It is amazing how
a lot of your European festivals they kind of like
start really small and then they just end up like
owning the whole property or city, Like you know, Healfest
(28:32):
pretty much owns Clisson and you got Vakin which pretty
much own that's its own city. And you know, it
is pretty amazing not only how they're run, but how
they've built these things from like nothing, from like little
teeny festivals.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
But that's that's also the nice thing about it. Like
it starts around the small town and that whole town
will just live up to that festival whole year, and
once it starts growing, they really get an attachment, yeah,
the festival. So nobody of a neighbor's scarish that the
(29:11):
festival's there, because it's just that's their life. Basically, they're
proud of it. I see.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
I love that attitude because you don't usually have that
attitude here in the States, Like even in the town
next to me where I live in, they built this
whole area and this little amphitheater for bands to play,
but they built apartments there, and the people they ended
up not using the amphitheater because all the people live
(29:38):
in apartments complained, and I'm like, you know, the ampitheater
is going to be there, why you get the apartment there.
I would get the apartment there just because i'd have
a good view, you know, but and hear the music,
But I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Like that's why I see too, Like.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Here in the States, people will comp playing about every
little thing I have festival, and I don't hear anybody
complain when I do the European or the UK festivals,
Like they're all and they're under some really bad conditions
sometimes and they're just like the culture of loving this
stuff and loving the music. We're just talking about this
(30:19):
in the last in the last interview, I was doing
like there are a lot of bands that were big
in LA in the eighties that I thought were gone forever,
and it turned out they were just in Europe all
these years I was playing at the European festivals because
it's like you turn on the radio in Europe and
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it's like eighties radio, you know, and it's so wild.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
So, speaking of eighties, where would you say your.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Influences first came from to be it and to do
the type of music you do now.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Yeah, it's a bit hard to say it like that
we refer to the eighties because we're we're far away
from the eighties.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
But that's why, you know why I said that.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
I said that because I saw Possessed in the very beginning,
and I think they pretty much started most anything that
had death in it.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah, of course it's a I'm really I'm really old
school that metal guys, So that's where it came from
for me. But yeah, I think I think mostly for
us we started back in twenty twelve. Mostly for us
came from the first wave of dead core, which started
(31:45):
around two thousand and six, two thousand and seven, and
back then it grew out to a nice size, but
it's stagnated. Around twenty twelve came became a bit more
uh clustered, and that's also when downtemple dead core emerged.
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And for for us, as Europeans, especially dark Dutch people
were were a couple of years behind in our music genres.
So back when everybody here in the Netherlands was still
playing melodic ardcore because that's what was in in the
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US in two thousand and five or something, we were
picking up Deadcore and downtowp Downtemple. Deadcore as basically the
only band in the Netherlands and we got we got
booed a lot. So we exactly we directly started focusing
on going abroad, playing in playing in the UK because
(32:56):
UK is is a bit more I had of the
of the mainland Europe in the music daste, so there
we got accepted and that's that's how it grew from there.
So yeah, I think the main influences are really just
the old school death score of the first generation nice.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
So saying that something popped into my head that I
wouldn't have even think to ask Toll while you were
talking about it, especially because they played at Rockville too.
What's your opinion of like Bring Me to Rise and
originally being death core and now they're like, you know,
they're they're not what they originally were. They've evolved and
(33:42):
they're definitely far from death core now in some respects.
I mean, I love them so I'm not throwing a
shade because I love them, but I'm not. I'm not
wanting the original bring Me fans, Like if I was,
i'd probably think differently. Just like I saw Metallica's first
show ever when the Black album came out, I was like,
fucking posers.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
I'm never listening to them again.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Yes, in my opinion, like Bring Me the Horizon is
an o G first generation death COO band because their
first album and uh Suicide Silence the Glansing album, those
two albums in two thousand and seven were really my thing.
Am I like to go to deathcore albums? It they
(34:32):
started evolving over the years. They did it pretty slow,
but still they went far away from the from the
dead core genre. So for me personally, I just didn't
keep track with it right just because yeah I did.
I didn't feel like their new music. I wasn't. I
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wasn't hating on them though, Like I don't think they're
they're poses because of it, and I would I would
still go to a show hoping that they play some
of their old stuff. But I think for them it
worked out really.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Nice and they do have an amazing live show yea,
and they.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Got they got so big with it. And also I
think that it's just good for for dead core in
general because then the new generation of people getting loving
Bring Me the Rise and will go to their older
albums and discover that they also got like a heavy
side and bring them into the heavy music. So I
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think it's good for for us as a as a
genre as dead core that bands like Bringing the Horizon
are there to draw in the new kids, we discover
their old stuff. And I think especially now since Bring
Me the Rison is is going back to their roots
and doing a show with the first album, so there's
(36:00):
still activity promoting it and nice to us as a genre.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Well, I love that answer because I agree with you
a million percent, And I have two responses to that.
One is, you know, if it weren't for Metallica maybe
doing that black album, who knows, if we'd have two
hundred and ten thousand people that welcome to rock Pille
for metal, you know, like days And it's based on
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what you just said, you know, it's like, you know
you're bringing new people, but then you go to the
back catalog and that that is what happened with me
would Bring Me to Horizon because I saw them for
the first time several years ago at a Danny Wimmer festival.
I didn't know them, and it was when That's the
(36:48):
spirit came out and I was like, oh my god,
I love them because they had such a great live show.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
But to your point, that made.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Me go back to their through their catalog to the beginning,
and I really loved their old stuff. So it was
like I am that example of you know, I wasn't
inn og bring me the Rizon fan, so I didn't
have that, you know, oh man, they changed to they
are thing. I had more of like, wow, they were
(37:21):
really good live. Now let me check out the rest
of their music.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Yeah exactly. Well, I even have to with some just
schedule friends who who aren't really that much into metal,
but I do like bringing me to Rizon and they're
always like, yeah, but I do love the old album
and just right, they like the newest, newer stuff, they
can just accept the older stuff as well. And that's
(37:49):
the way I also expect accept what kind of music
that I'm making.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Yeah exactly, And that's that is the point there, And
you know all we did make good point. In an
interview I heard him talking on where he said, why
do I want to write the same song over and
over again, and I could see that. You know, like
an artist you're doing for that may years, you want
to just keep writing the exact same thing over and
over again.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
You kind of want to.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
The whole thing of metal is experimentation, right, so you
want to experiment what you can do.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
It has two signs of the coin, to be honest, like,
I definitely agree to that. Like with metal, you can
just do whatever you want, but it goes both ways,
like for example, with us now and that's that's coming
back to your earlier question about about their new single
and or previous singles as well, like or or for
(38:44):
first album was just really raw and unpolished. Then we
started experimenting polishing it up more with the previous albums.
But now we're more like, yeah, let's let's just not
make it too polished. We we wanted rowst off again
like on the first album, and that's that's that's what
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you get now with this, with these newer singles, you
get the rollness of a first album. We careless what
other people think in a sense that we just want
to do what we love and also feel like that
if if, if we do what we love. We will
still have fans, We will still have people that like
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us just because they see that we perform something that
we love to perform.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Yeah, totally, and I agree with that million percent because
if you don't love it, how can you expect other
people to love it? Like and people can tell when
you're just forcing it or if you're doing because that's who.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
You are exactly. Yeah, that's that's the typical sell out.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Bend, right right.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
But you know to your point what you're saying, and
I think that holds true to what you said about
bringing the Rising going back and they're going to play
their full album or even Metallica because some of their
newest stuff is to me, reminds me of the Kill
Them All days, you know. And so the way I
kind of put it now as an adult exposed to
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acting like a teenager, is well, maybe they did it
a certain way for a while, but now that enabled
them to go back to their roots and people want
to listen to it, and now you've reached the masses
and now they'll hear it because otherwise how many people
have heard Kill Them All?
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Exactly? Yeah, So it's it's it's it's maybe part of
the evolution of a of a smart band.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
There it is, there, it is.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Well, you guys are a smart band because you're doing
exactly that. And you killed it at Welcome to Rockville
and uh, you know this new song.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Oh my god, it's just it's just rat torture.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Man.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Yeah, I wonder if you could do like science experiments
and put rats in like a lab and play your
song to them and see if they feel tortured by it.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
That's a whole different story. But on the other I
am a scientist actually working in cancer research. We are
putting rats to the test, but that's with cancer medicine,
not with a music there you go.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Yeah, one of my best bros.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
He's also a scientist that's working on proteins to cure cancer.
So man, you guys are doing great work for sure.
See you're helping the world with these diseases, and then
you're helping the world with mental issues with your music
because music is the best therapy.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
I agree. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
And the last thing is tell everybody, first of all,
how to connect you on socials and more importantly, had
to buy your merch a because they can't listen to
my show. And let's say buy your merch because it's
the only way bands get the next gig nowadays. B
I was looking through your merch store. I was like, man,
you have a lot of badass merch.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Yeah, we really love a merch game.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Oh my god, some of it's so cool.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Yeah, well you can get it on a distantofficial dot com.
I have to ship everything from air fio that we
do ship it from the Netherlands, and I think that
that's also the best way to stay connected besides just
the general Instagram and Facebook.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
And I also have to ask you, okay because I
can't see clearly, but behind you, is that all your
like artist passes from your gigs?
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Yeah? Exactly, nice section.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
I love how you did that.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Like, I have all my credentials, but they're like stuffed
in a bag and a drawer somewhere.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
I like what you did there.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
That's a waste. I love looking at them and just
having a glimpse of them just gives you motivation.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Yeah, totally, That's why I'm seeing man like, hmm, maybe
that's what I should do in my studio with all
of you.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
I love it. Well, you guys are badass.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Everybody's got to check you out they got to buy
your merch and definitely look forward to seeing a lot
more of you at the US festivals and I hope
I catch you at a European festival too.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Yeah, hopefully without a dinner storm this time.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
And I know, right, I know right, we don't want that,
but you know it's part of it though, right, you
got you got to weather the storm and when you're
me ahead for sure checking you. Thanks a lot for
being on the Adventures of pipe Man.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Thanks very much.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pipemin on
w for c u I Radio.
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