LIVING WRECKAGE, featuring members of Anthrax and Shadows Fall, have released their crushing new single “Righteous Side Of Sanity.” The lyric video for the single made it's debut on Metal Injection yesterday!
“Righteous Side Of Sanity”, the first single from the band to feature vocalist Sage King
Premiere Lyric Video on Metal Injection!
Single to be Featured on SOUND SYSTEM, from the Creative Forces Behind GUITAR HERO, ROCK BAND, ROCKSMITH, AND MORE 10/16/2026
Currently working with acclaimed producer Zeuss, the band is taking its time to craft the follow-up album set for release in 2026.
Unlike the rushed pace of the debut, the new sessions are deliberate and uncompromising, with every riff, harmony, and lyric scrutinized until it reaches its full potential. Experimenting with darker tunings, intricate vocal layering, and more adventurous songwriting, Living Wreckage is expanding its sound without abandoning its roots. The result is heavier, moodier, and more emotionally resonant, tackling themes of grief, addiction, and betrayal while still keeping the spirit of rock’s cathartic release alive.
Founded by guitarist Jon Donais (Anthrax, Shadows Fall), bassist Matt Bachand (Shadows Fall, Act of Defiance), guitarist Matt LeBreton (Downpour), and drummer Jon Morency (Let Us Prey), the group built its foundation on a lifelong passion for the golden age of rock and metal. That love of the classics fuels their fire, but Living Wreckage has always been about bringing that energy into the present with a sound that feels both timeless and cutting edge.
LIVING WRECKAGE are:
Sage King - Vocals
Jon Donais - Guitars
Matt LeBreton - Guitars
Matt Bachand - Bass
Jon Morency - Drums
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“Righteous Side Of Sanity”, the first single from the band to feature vocalist Sage King
Premiere Lyric Video on Metal Injection!
Single to be Featured on SOUND SYSTEM, from the Creative Forces Behind GUITAR HERO, ROCK BAND, ROCKSMITH, AND MORE 10/16/2026
Currently working with acclaimed producer Zeuss, the band is taking its time to craft the follow-up album set for release in 2026.
Unlike the rushed pace of the debut, the new sessions are deliberate and uncompromising, with every riff, harmony, and lyric scrutinized until it reaches its full potential. Experimenting with darker tunings, intricate vocal layering, and more adventurous songwriting, Living Wreckage is expanding its sound without abandoning its roots. The result is heavier, moodier, and more emotionally resonant, tackling themes of grief, addiction, and betrayal while still keeping the spirit of rock’s cathartic release alive.
Founded by guitarist Jon Donais (Anthrax, Shadows Fall), bassist Matt Bachand (Shadows Fall, Act of Defiance), guitarist Matt LeBreton (Downpour), and drummer Jon Morency (Let Us Prey), the group built its foundation on a lifelong passion for the golden age of rock and metal. That love of the classics fuels their fire, but Living Wreckage has always been about bringing that energy into the present with a sound that feels both timeless and cutting edge.
LIVING WRECKAGE are:
Sage King - Vocals
Jon Donais - Guitars
Matt LeBreton - Guitars
Matt Bachand - Bass
Jon Morency - Drums
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hi, you have done to censure fore Wow, crazy young.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Your show just was his.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Sean say you lost me?
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Sorry, it's the pipe Man here on the Adventure's Pipe
Man W four c Y Radio, fresh back from Welcome
to Rockville in Daytona, Florida. As you can tell, I
lost my voice. But no rest for the Wicked because
we're back with a killer band that we need to
interview that was not at Rockville. But I'm gonna tell
(00:53):
Danny Wimber in this interview that he needs to put
them on Rockville next year. Yeah, so let's welcome to
the show.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
John from Living Wreckage, how are you?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I'm great? How about you?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Oh, phenomenal? Except I can't speak at all, and that's
kind of hard. It's kind of hard when you're a
radio person to not be able to speak, you know.
But time, so that's all that can. I always have
a good time at the festivals. Like, here's my viewpoint
about music. If you're a musician or have any part
(01:26):
of music and you're not having a good time, it's
the wrong industry of being because most everything else besides
the fun of being at the show or playing the show,
pretty much is not fun.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, it's the traveling sucks, and but the show is
what makes it, makes it all worth it. But those
Danny Webber festivals, I've done a handful of those with
Anthrax Chats Fall, and they're they're awesome.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Right, it's a fun time and they're only getting bigger
and better.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I hope some Dayling Wreckage gets to do it because
I just love doing those.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
And you know what, I love hearing that because I've
been doing the festival, the festivals since the very beginning.
I do all of them, and I always ask artists
at the festival, how does Danny treat you as an artist?
Because you know, you as an artist, know that there's
you know, some festivals you're not treated so great as
(02:28):
those festivals.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
You know you have sandy can and maybe not the
best catering backstage, and maybe it's not that comfortable. But
Danny Weber's fest they're always comfortable and it's all good.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
And it makes it easy too when you have somebody
running it like a well oiled machine like Danny Dad's
because nothing's worse than stressing out on loading and sound
checked before you gotta do a gig.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
It's his people all care they care about the fans
and they care about the bands, and it's.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
It's for great and to me that's so important.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Yeah, And I think that it's stuff like that that
makes me being a musician saying, hey, this is a
good day.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
And it's cool because it's not all the same type.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Of band either, even though it's mainly rooted in rock
and metal, but there's so many diverse acts and it's
it's a little something for everybody.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
As a perfect example, we got code redded, well three
days in a row, but one of the days we
got code redded, which is the evacuation, Waka Flaka was
performing and he jumped out into a crowd and started
a mosh pit where the last people you would think
would start a mosh pit, and there it was.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yep, it's good time, man.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Yeah, I think what That's also what happens with the
Danny Wimmer festivals like Europe. It's brought together multiple genres
and exposed people to multiple genres. Because I'll tell you
what that crowd for Walker Floka was one of the
biggest crowds at the festival.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
And that's not a metal head.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
No thing. That's a good thing is because It exposes
people to something they probably wouldn't go out on their own.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
To check out.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Mm hmm, but exactly, and they're like, oh, wow, I
do like this, you know this is correct, or maybe
I've never heard of this band or what's this? And
then that's the greatest is when you discover something that
they like, because finding new new music rules exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
You know.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
That's why I think festivals are about myself anyway, Like
the people that complain, oh, my favorite band, the only
one that was going to see got cut or whatever.
If you're going there to see one band good at
their concert, yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
You know.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
To me, the festivals where I find my new favorite bands, yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
You gotta. You gotta at least want to have it
see a handful of dancing if you're gonna go to that.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Exactly. So tell me how Living Wreckage came about.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Salut Wreckage was born in the all of twenty nineteen,
but timing, Yeah, so this is how went down. So
Interactions finished up third tour cycle. So I knew I
was gonna have some time off. I didn't know I
was gonna have that.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Much time off.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
So as we know, this shit hit the fan for
a couple of years. Yeah, well I had a lot
of times. So I got to put together a band.
We wrote a record. That record, the first record, Debut,
came out September twenty twenty one. Now we're working on
the second record. We're six songs mix and mastered, and
(05:39):
we're going back in August to finish the rest of
it and then hopefully we're hoping in an early twenty
twenty seven release.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Nice and I have to focus on something with the
records now. First of all, I've said for a while,
if you're gonna take a positive of that whole lockdown
of live music during COVID, then what it is it
gaves artists the chance to jump off that hamster wheel
(06:07):
and get creative again.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yeah me, I think that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
There was nothing to do but that, and right, I
mean I got super down during that time because I
didn't know be a musician. You couldn't have you couldn't
have a worse profession. Because the last people they want
back to do anything. So we were the last ones
to get back out there. And there was a point
where I was like, is this ever going to be
(06:32):
a thing again? You know, it's very It was very scary.
But that being said, I was playing guitar every day
because one thing that could help me keep my mind
off things. And I wrote a lot of risks for
Living Records and a lot of risks for Shadows Wall.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Nice. Nice.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
And so now you have the second album you're working on.
What I really think too is you know, you kind
of had to rush the debut album, and this one
you're able to take your time, be creative and polish
it absolutely.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Because the first one, when we went in to record
that we were only planning on doing five songs, maybe
an EP. We're gonna have EP or show it to
some some labels see if there was interest, and we
were moving so fast that we were like, all right,
let's just record the record because we're here, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
So it was kind of cool to do it that way.
But this one is a lot more laid back.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
We're we're recording and now we're taking some time away,
get to live with the songs a little bit changing
and we don't want and we're gonna go back yet
for another session late summer, do it over again, live
with it for a little bit, and release it in
twenty twenty seven. Nice and that's one of the good
things about having our producer Zeus. We all live near
(07:54):
each other, so we can whenever we're open, we can
just be like, all right, hey.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Manny, why don't you want to do this now?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
And it's not a schedule. We have to do it
from this state to this day and that's it. You know,
it's kind of it's real.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Laid back, and that makes it so much more fun.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah, because there's no all right, we're in the studio,
we have three weeks, like no messing around, let's go go,
and then you're thinking how we're going to finish this
at some point.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
You know, I've been in those situations like we have
how many Like.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
We're not going to fucking get it done by then? Right, Exactly,
It's very cool to have this laid back. It's the
same way because Shattle's Fall is doing the record with
Zoos too, So that's a good thing about one of
the major perks of having a kick ass producer that lives.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Exactly, and so what made you think to do Living
Wreckage instead of like writing more music for Shadows Fall
or anything else that you were doing.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
So Shadows Falls heavier, that's more thrash death metal oriented and.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I I grew up on the.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Classic metal like I I love the hair metal, like
I love bon Jovi's. I don't know, I don't even
like that term. It's just it was like the commercial
eighties medal, you know, but on TV that's what made
me want to play Rat bon Jovi, skidro the guys
who are in the main rotation of MTV. And then
(09:19):
of course I got a little bit older and I
got into stuff like Priest Maiden and then the Big
Four eventually death metal. But with Living Wreckage, I wanted
to have a more melodic hard rock metal band. So
that's where we're more towards that end in Shatle's Falls
and more towards the extreme metal end. Uh. But yeah,
(09:42):
I think Living Wreckage rides a fence of like thrash
and some Marina Rocks. So I think we can go
out with with some thrash metal bands, like melodic thrash
band like Testament. I think we can make it work,
or we.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Can go out with some more you could probably do
with Megadeath too, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Like something that and I think then I think we
can go with maybe.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
More of a rock right Radio type stuff like Volby
just yeah, I think we can play with both crowds
and kind of fitted somewhere in there.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Was listening to a song right just side of Sandy,
the first single, and it's funny you're saying what you
are because the exact vibe I got within thirty seconds.
It was like if fistful of Metal the album were
combined with power metal. Yeah the song.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
So when I wrote the music to that, I was
saying that I was listening to a lot of Maiden
Priests and Rat at the time.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I to see it too.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
But there's some trash metals sprinkled in there.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
You know.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
It definitely had kind of I'm an old school thrash
meow ed. I was at Slayer, Metallica's first show ever,
so you know, and funny story that I say about
the power metal thing that first Metallica gig. Mustain gets
off the stage and he starts talking to me. I'm
like thirteen, I think, and he hands me this business card,
(11:09):
like everybody asked me nowadays, he still have it.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
No, I was thirteen. I was like, what the fuck
is this and throw.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
It away, but right but it said Metallica power Metal.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Dave mustain because there was no thrash name.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Yeah yeah, nobody named it yet, yeah exactly. So it's like,
it's kind of funny to think of Metallica being considered
power metal. Yeah, but then I listen to this song
and I can see it because that's what I heard
was power thrash.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I like that, So I would say what Living Wreckage
is is it's like eighties, nineties, early two thousand's metal
hard rock mixed altogether. But it's the thing is all
the vocals are mostly melodic. There's some screams in there,
but we wanted to make sure or when we started
(12:03):
the band, we were gonna get them alodic singer.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
And you know what that that is something funny enough
that I have the big four that would describe Belladonna.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, which is funny because when I was a kid,
they were the first ones that I got into out
of that genre because of Joey's voice, because I was
more into the pop metal I guess right, So the
other bands are a little bit too scary for me,
(12:35):
but Joey's vocals that caught my attention. I was like,
all right, the big melodies they Answers had the big
melodies still even though the guitars were trashy and stuff,
there's big vocal hooks and you know, Joey's that good
of a singer. He can go do the national anthem,
you know. No, No, he's a singer.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Singer exactly like he goes and does his journey thing.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
And yeah, that's but I definitely wanted when we were
star Dispadma. I want a singer singer, like a guy
who would be able to do the national anthem. But
you know, he's a rock singer, has some balls, you know.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
And what's cool about your music is I find nowadays
with the heavier extreme music, there is no real diversity
to it.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Like if you take a lot.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Of them that have no blending of genres and going yeah,
micro genre, they all sound the same, like they're using
a formula to make metal music.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
It could be hard. It's like to me a lot
when I'm listening to a lot of the newer stuff,
it's hard for me to say who's who because.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
I can't and I was never like that.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
And I also like bands. It's my favorite stuff. Is
like when you hear the chorus the second time, you.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Got it right now. The songs there so I like
try to go for that. Like if you if you
can remember, remember the chorus after the second time you
did something right there you go.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
I love it And like, okay, so you I remember
back in the eighties, you know, people used to say, oh,
that stuff sounds the same, and I used to argue
with them because it didn't.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Now I'm like, I'm that group to.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
All those singers in the eighties, Like, uh, you could
tell who they were as soon as they start singing,
Like any of the any of the Big Four, you
know right away which.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Band it is, as soon as exactly I talked about
that all the.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Time, or even all the commercially eighties bands, you know, Axel, Rose,
bon Jovi, Sebastian Bach, they all.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
You know who they are as soon as they start singing.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Well, that's like when you take some of those bands
and play a different singer, it's not that band in
my opinion. Like you take Motley Crue, okay, when they
had Karabe, you know he's good, but he's not Motley Crue,
Like Vince Neil is the sound of Motley Crue, even
with a bad voice.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
It's the it's harder the singer because that's what you
get used to, that's the hardest person to change it.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
And to me, sometimes some bands pull it off, but.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I don't know, I don't know, that's that's.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
A very very few do though. Like, yeah, we've been
unpopular opinion. But you know, Armored Saints one of my
favorite bands. I love John Bush. I'm not into him
being Anthrax as singer like to me and like I
heard Neil originally, but to me, most of the time
(15:33):
that was just one album.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
It was Joey and that was the sound of an Throst.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah, when you get.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Used to something, it's it's hard to to change your
way of thinking. Uh, what one band that I that
I love both and I can't decide. I go back
and forth.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Well, kill Switch, no, Van Halen. Oh see, I'm a
total David Lee Roth.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I love both, and it just depends what mood I'm like.
I like sometimes I like that more polished.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Well, I like Sammy Hagar as a musician, as a vocalist,
but you know.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
I all like like like I'm from.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
The beginning of Van Halen and like David Lee Roth,
he was just such a Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Know, I know he's one, but and then I also
love davely Roth, Eat Him and Smile. I thought that
was an unbelievable record because that holds a certain place
for me because my first two tapes when I was
a kid was Christmas at eighty six, I Got Slippery
when Wet and I got Eat Him and Smile in
my first Moon Box. So that was it. That was
(16:45):
like when this all started. Then, I you know, I
had tonal vision.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
If I want to play in a band, that's and
so that's what started it for you. Then that's what
led us to today.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yeah, that that was it.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
So what led me today and literally today is I
was from Jersey and nineteen eighty my dad came up
to me and said, pack your bags were moving to
California in three days.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Whoa.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
And then shortly after I'm there, I went to my
first club show ever at the Roxy on the Sunset Strip.
It was Motley Crue before they ever had an album.
They weren't even glam yet. They were like horror punk.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
So you went straight into Hollywood.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Oh one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Man.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
I was on that whole eighty Sunset Strip scene.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Where the truth Where were you in Jersey before that?
Speaker 4 (17:43):
I grew up in North Jersey Montclair, liw falls roseland
I've lived all over Jersey.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
I actually went back to go to college. That was
my choice.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
But no, you you.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Saw the sunset at the height of.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
At all.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah, I mean I wish I could have a time
machine as Oh.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
My god, it was insane.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Like a lot of bands you're mentioning, you know, it's
like Rat. I remember I used there was one gig
it was Armored Saint and Rat, and like I was
friends with Armored saintan It's like, do you want to
hang backstage or go see the Rat shop?
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Like fuck, I'm not going to see Rat, but I did.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Like one of the first times I ever had sex
was to Sweet Cheater.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Awesome.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
I remember it all too well too, because my dad
came home and decided that was the night he was
gonna give you a lecture for smoking.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
But yet I had some chick in the bedroom and
he didn't know while I was listening to a Rat.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
And then like those parties, man, like I was at
the party when you know, Vince left with Razzle, which
that kind of sucked. But those parties were like unbelievable,
Like are you just to hang out with Mick Mohr's
at the mall. Mick Marrs and Chris Holmes of Lost.
We used to go to the mall.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Oh yeah, I could like that Decline of the Western civilization.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Man, it's like home movies.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
I watched that thing so many times, and if if
I still come across it, I'm gonna watch it. If
it's on somewhere, I'm gonna sit down and watch their
whole thing.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
It's like home movies to me.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
And then also the one uh uh Murder in the
Front Row.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
That's total home movie.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah, yeah, the thrash metal one.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Yeah, because you know, like I was really into Slayer
Metallica when they first came out, yep, And I was
kind of like not into the hairbands because there was
a lot of gatekeeping back then. Yeah, I know I
liked some of them, but you couldn't admit it.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
You know, right.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
You know.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
I had that talk with some of the Exodus guys
because we were on the last Anthrax tour was Megadath,
Exodus and Anthrax, and we did Canada and we all
went on the Anthrax crew boss. They were were throwing
them back, having a good time, and we put on
hair Metal and when Rat came on. Even Gary and
Lee the Exodus Ark Clays were like, yeah, like we
(20:13):
all like this stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Even we said we couldn't say it, but we all
knew Rat was.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Totally and funny story about that with Exodus and that
whole thing. Like so when when Slayer went up to
the Bay Area after Metallica, they used to wear an
eyeliner to look evil. Yeah, so they went, Yeah, they
went up there in Exous was like, yeah, take that
ship off. That don't fly up here maybe in LA
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but not here, you know, and they're like, oh, it's
for evil.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
We don't give a fuck, take that ship off. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
And then when Metallican Slayer left LA, me and my
bro used to hitch to Bay Area to go to
those shows up there that were absolutely insane.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, that was another scene, man.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
So you got you were in two major scenes where
everyone talks about and wish they could be.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
There, you know, right from the very beginning.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Like, yeah, you saw that's insane because you saw the
commercial side of it, you know, with Rat and Motley,
and then you got to see the underground part. But
then even those bands all became.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Huge, and I remember sitting backstage teenager you know, and
watching all these hairbands sign with record labels and listening
and the record labels telling them, Okay, you're gonna dress
like this, you're gonna do your music like this, and
kind of turned me off the music. Like I left
the music scene because of it, because like, fuck that.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
I wouldn't want anybody telling me how to do music,
you know.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, it seems like if you were on a major
label like then, you were getting told what to do.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Totally.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
My belief is there is a place for the suits,
you know, I'm all about that, but let them do
their job and let the musicians.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Do their job, like, yeah, they're not the ones that
should say how a musician plays their music. That's my opinion.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Yeah, I agree, that's why I've got you know, it's
nice that that's some of the the smaller labels took
over for rock and metal because they weren't like that
totally big because the smaller labels were more fans. The
indie labels were more fans than the suits. They understood
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the music and they were fans of the music, so
they weren't gonna No one was gonna tell Slayer to write.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
About it, you know, exactly and I talk about all
the time and praise Brian.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Slagel, Like even a few years ago, I walked up
to him. I was like, man, you were a genius.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
He goes, that was just a record store clerk because
he used to be a record store clerk at OZ
Records and then he started Metal Blade and so all
us teenagers used to go in there to get our albums.
And he's the one that introduced me to much every
band and every show that I went to.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Yeah, rules, he's a great guy.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Like he didn't plan it that way, but a brilliant
way to market because we'd be a teenager, here, check
out this album, and you'd buy it because he said
check out this album or here Bam magazine, go to
this show.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Yeah, or when labels, the underground labels, whether it's like
Metal Blade, Century Media like all the like Nuclear Blast
type labels, you would you would buy a band. You
would take a shot at it just because the band
was on that label.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
You're like, well the label the good, Yeah, must be
blindly buy it. Oh yeah, Like I think about it too,
Like today I think a lot of kids are probably
missing out on what would be their favorite bands.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yeah, a hundred.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I agree because I've had this experience. I used to
so in high school, I would save up my lunch money.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I wouldn't eat lunch, so about the end of the week,
i'd have enough money to buy a CD exactly. And
then maybe it didn't hit me right away, but I'm like,
you know what, I saved up all week for this.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
I'm gonna see if there's something there.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
So I just keep listening and listening, and eventually a
lot of that shit became my favorite stuff, and it
hit me right away. Pantera was like that. I was
just a skid Row freak as a kid. They were
opening up for skid Row. I'd never heard anything that
heavy in my life. I was except Metallica was the
heaviest thing I was listening to. I saw them and
I was like, I don't know, man, I mean, the
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crowd's going crazy, and I'm like, h this is something different.
So I was taking guitar lessons at the mall. I
wouldn't pass the record. So I'm like, I'm gonna buy
that Pantera cit because I just saw them and I
had to spin in a few times. Now they're my
favorite band.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Well, it's funny you should say that because I had
a similar experience when I bought Black and Black Back
in Black. First of all, I was a Bond Scott
fan anyway, but I didn't like that album when I
first listened to it. But you know, you paid your
good money that you worked your ast to get your
your seven dollars or whatever, and and so you would
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listen it over and over again because you weren't to
waste your money.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Yeah, and then I loved it.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
And plus there wasn't seven hundred thousand records coming out
that day like now, it's just like, well, if you
don't you sometimes you don't even get through half the
first song and you don't even give it a chance because.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
You're out, like what else can I get? And you
can have it like that?
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Well, I think of some of my favorite songs.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Ever, if I were in this generation, I would never
listen to the song because like like You Take Battery
by Metallica, I would listen to the first ten seconds
and like what the hell is this and then go
to the next track. But then if you waited a
few seconds, yeah, you know, thinking.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
About all those songs with those long inch that like yeah,
in a half intro until the vocals coming that you
would like people would have just been like next.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Next, exactly, you know.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
And I think of too when you know one of
my favorite songs, Fast as a Shark, that beginning, you know,
and you know it's funny. So the former guitars Spits
(26:30):
is a good friend. It's a good friend of mine,
and he told me straight out, he goes. We all
sat around when that song came out and we were like,
oh my god. And they all the Big four all
deem that the first thrash metal song ever.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
I've heard them talk about that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
And I have a story too that's wild about that song.
Because so I went to see Ausie with Randy Rhodes.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
It was a New New Year's Eve, right before he died.
And I lied to my dad, told him I was
sleep at my friend's house. My friend lied to his
parents say he was sleeping at my house.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
You know, you do that.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
And then we went to a show and then we
got back at like I don't know, two in the
Mornia or whatever, so we just I lived in Lake
Lindero and Agora, where there was a hill in my
backyard that went down to the lake. So we just
went to the bomba hill by Lake, so if my
dad woke up, he wouldn't see me. But we were
still at my house. My next door neighbor comes out
and I'm like, oh fuck, and she goes, hey, boys,
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were you just at the Aussie show because she saw
us wearing his shirts and stuff. And we're just like, yeah,
we thought we were busted. She goes, hold on, don't
move famous last words that you think you're busted? I
want to get my husband. Husband comes out, he invites
us up to the house. He had a studio in
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his house wall to wall cassette tapes and turned out
he was Ozzie's promoter.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Like, what are the chances?
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Holy shit?
Speaker 4 (28:04):
And he hands me this tape and he goes, listen
to this band because they have uh they're not in
this country yet, they'll be here in about six months
and they're gonna be huge, and it was that restless
and wild CD Oh wow. So I remember we listened
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to the first song, of course, Fast as Shark, and
we were just like, holy shit, what the hell is that?
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Yeah, that's a great story.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Right, you know, that's the eighties. There's lots of great stories.
You know. If you remember them all.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
That's a whole other story because of all the debauchery,
no doubt. So tell everybody how they can reach out
to you on socials, on the web, get the album,
check check everything out.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Yeah, Living Records and myself, I'm on Facebook and Instagram
the new single. I would say, if you like classic
metal thrash and check out Living Recags new single right
just side of Sanity, and help us spread the word.
We need to help.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Well, I'm glad to spread the word because that everybody's
got to listen to that song is badass. Also, I'm
a gamer, so I really love that the single is
to be featured on sound System So that's really freaking cool.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
That's why we put out a single right now.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
I mean because we put it out ourselves, a standalone
single because the sound System game, there's already people demo
in the game on YouTube. Nice, so the song was
out there. I'm like, we better get the real version
out there because the game and one has all the
like ping bang bang bing you know, all over it.
I'm like, oh, that's I don't I don't want people
to think that's the song. Like, so we kind of
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rush and put out the single just so people can
hear it, and plus we're excited to get some kind
of new music out there, so let people know we're
still working.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Totally well, I love it, and I also have the
utmost respect for any musician that can change gears to
working in multiple bands and multiple genres. That's a true musician.
Riff Nice, I love it. That's that's how to do it.
That shows that you absolutely are a musician, that you
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love it.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I'm a lifer there.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
It is.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Well, thanks a lot for giving us some more great music,
and thanks for being on the Adventures of pipe Man.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Thank you man. I hope your voice feels better.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Yeah, I got another interview after this. It will feel better,
just in time maybe to go to download in a
couple of weeks or actually to a Milwaukee metal fest too.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Okay, Yeah, I leave for Europe Monday with anthwer Action.
We're doing all the festivals out there, so nice.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Yes, I normally do Hell Festive.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
I'm not doing it this year because my son wanted
to do some Father's Day thing. But yeah, I love
the European festivals and the UK festivals. You guys should
play a bloodstock too. We have, we have I love
that festival.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Maybe next year.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
All right, Well take it easy brother, and we need
a promotion.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Just let me know.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Thank you so much, you got it. Bye.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
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Speaker 3 (00:21):
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Speaker 4 (00:30):
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to Rockville in Daytona, Florida. As you can tell, I
lost my voice. But no rest for the Wicked because
we're back with a killer band that we need to
interview that was not at Rockville. But I'm gonna tell
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Danny Wimber in this interview that he needs to put
them on Rockville next year. Yeah, so let's welcome to
the show.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
John from Living Wreckage, how are you?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I'm great? How about you?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Oh, phenomenal? Except I can't speak at all, and that's
kind of hard. It's kind of hard when you're a
radio person to not be able to speak, you know.
But time, so that's all that can. I always have
a good time at the festivals. Like, here's my viewpoint
about music. If you're a musician or have any part
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of music and you're not having a good time, it's
the wrong industry of being because most everything else besides
the fun of being at the show or playing the show,
pretty much is not fun.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, it's the traveling sucks, and but the show is
what makes it, makes it all worth it. But those
Danny Webber festivals, I've done a handful of those with
Anthrax Chats Fall, and they're they're awesome.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Right, it's a fun time and they're only getting bigger
and better.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I hope some Dayling Wreckage gets to do it because
I just love doing those.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
And you know what, I love hearing that because I've
been doing the festival, the festivals since the very beginning.
I do all of them, and I always ask artists
at the festival, how does Danny treat you as an artist?
Because you know, you as an artist, know that there's
you know, some festivals you're not treated so great as
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those festivals.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
You know you have sandy can and maybe not the
best catering backstage, and maybe it's not that comfortable. But
Danny Weber's fest they're always comfortable and it's all good.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
And it makes it easy too when you have somebody
running it like a well oiled machine like Danny Dad's
because nothing's worse than stressing out on loading and sound
checked before you gotta do a gig.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
It's his people all care they care about the fans
and they care about the bands, and it's.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
It's for great and to me that's so important.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Yeah, And I think that it's stuff like that that
makes me being a musician saying, hey, this is a
good day.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
And it's cool because it's not all the same type.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Of band either, even though it's mainly rooted in rock
and metal, but there's so many diverse acts and it's
it's a little something for everybody.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
As a perfect example, we got code redded, well three
days in a row, but one of the days we
got code redded, which is the evacuation, Waka Flaka was
performing and he jumped out into a crowd and started
a mosh pit where the last people you would think
would start a mosh pit, and there it was.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yep, it's good time, man.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Yeah, I think what That's also what happens with the
Danny Wimmer festivals like Europe. It's brought together multiple genres
and exposed people to multiple genres. Because I'll tell you
what that crowd for Walker Floka was one of the
biggest crowds at the festival.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
And that's not a metal head.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
No thing. That's a good thing is because It exposes
people to something they probably wouldn't go out on their own.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
To check out.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Mm hmm, but exactly, and they're like, oh, wow, I
do like this, you know this is correct, or maybe
I've never heard of this band or what's this? And
then that's the greatest is when you discover something that
they like, because finding new new music rules exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
You know.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
That's why I think festivals are about myself anyway, Like
the people that complain, oh, my favorite band, the only
one that was going to see got cut or whatever.
If you're going there to see one band good at
their concert, yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
You know.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
To me, the festivals where I find my new favorite bands, yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
You gotta. You gotta at least want to have it
see a handful of dancing if you're gonna go to that.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Exactly. So tell me how Living Wreckage came about.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Salut Wreckage was born in the all of twenty nineteen,
but timing, Yeah, so this is how went down. So
Interactions finished up third tour cycle. So I knew I
was gonna have some time off. I didn't know I
was gonna have that.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Much time off.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
So as we know, this shit hit the fan for
a couple of years. Yeah, well I had a lot
of times. So I got to put together a band.
We wrote a record. That record, the first record, Debut,
came out September twenty twenty one. Now we're working on
the second record. We're six songs mix and mastered, and
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we're going back in August to finish the rest of
it and then hopefully we're hoping in an early twenty
twenty seven release.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Nice and I have to focus on something with the
records now. First of all, I've said for a while,
if you're gonna take a positive of that whole lockdown
of live music during COVID, then what it is it
gaves artists the chance to jump off that hamster wheel
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and get creative again.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yeah me, I think that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
There was nothing to do but that, and right, I
mean I got super down during that time because I
didn't know be a musician. You couldn't have you couldn't
have a worse profession. Because the last people they want
back to do anything. So we were the last ones
to get back out there. And there was a point
where I was like, is this ever going to be
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a thing again? You know, it's very It was very scary.
But that being said, I was playing guitar every day
because one thing that could help me keep my mind
off things. And I wrote a lot of risks for
Living Records and a lot of risks for Shadows Wall.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Nice. Nice.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
And so now you have the second album you're working on.
What I really think too is you know, you kind
of had to rush the debut album, and this one
you're able to take your time, be creative and polish
it absolutely.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Because the first one, when we went in to record
that we were only planning on doing five songs, maybe
an EP. We're gonna have EP or show it to
some some labels see if there was interest, and we
were moving so fast that we were like, all right,
let's just record the record because we're here, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
So it was kind of cool to do it that way.
But this one is a lot more laid back.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
We're we're recording and now we're taking some time away,
get to live with the songs a little bit changing
and we don't want and we're gonna go back yet
for another session late summer, do it over again, live
with it for a little bit, and release it in
twenty twenty seven. Nice and that's one of the good
things about having our producer Zeus. We all live near
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each other, so we can whenever we're open, we can
just be like, all right, hey.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Manny, why don't you want to do this now?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
And it's not a schedule. We have to do it
from this state to this day and that's it. You know,
it's kind of it's real.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Laid back, and that makes it so much more fun.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah, because there's no all right, we're in the studio,
we have three weeks, like no messing around, let's go go,
and then you're thinking how we're going to finish this
at some point.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
You know, I've been in those situations like we have
how many Like.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
We're not going to fucking get it done by then? Right, Exactly,
It's very cool to have this laid back. It's the
same way because Shattle's Fall is doing the record with
Zoos too, So that's a good thing about one of
the major perks of having a kick ass producer that lives.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Exactly, and so what made you think to do Living
Wreckage instead of like writing more music for Shadows Fall
or anything else that you were doing.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
So Shadows Falls heavier, that's more thrash death metal oriented and.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I I grew up on the.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Classic metal like I I love the hair metal, like
I love bon Jovi's. I don't know, I don't even
like that term. It's just it was like the commercial
eighties medal, you know, but on TV that's what made
me want to play Rat bon Jovi, skidro the guys
who are in the main rotation of MTV. And then
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of course I got a little bit older and I
got into stuff like Priest Maiden and then the Big
Four eventually death metal. But with Living Wreckage, I wanted
to have a more melodic hard rock metal band. So
that's where we're more towards that end in Shatle's Falls
and more towards the extreme metal end. Uh. But yeah,
(09:42):
I think Living Wreckage rides a fence of like thrash
and some Marina Rocks. So I think we can go
out with with some thrash metal bands, like melodic thrash
band like Testament. I think we can make it work,
or we.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Can go out with some more you could probably do
with Megadeath too, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Like something that and I think then I think we
can go with maybe.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
More of a rock right Radio type stuff like Volby
just yeah, I think we can play with both crowds
and kind of fitted somewhere in there.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Was listening to a song right just side of Sandy,
the first single, and it's funny you're saying what you
are because the exact vibe I got within thirty seconds.
It was like if fistful of Metal the album were
combined with power metal. Yeah the song.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
So when I wrote the music to that, I was
saying that I was listening to a lot of Maiden
Priests and Rat at the time.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I to see it too.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
But there's some trash metals sprinkled in there.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
You know.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
It definitely had kind of I'm an old school thrash
meow ed. I was at Slayer, Metallica's first show ever,
so you know, and funny story that I say about
the power metal thing that first Metallica gig. Mustain gets
off the stage and he starts talking to me. I'm
like thirteen, I think, and he hands me this business card,
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like everybody asked me nowadays, he still have it.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
No, I was thirteen. I was like, what the fuck
is this and throw.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
It away, but right but it said Metallica power Metal.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Dave mustain because there was no thrash name.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Yeah yeah, nobody named it yet, yeah exactly. So it's like,
it's kind of funny to think of Metallica being considered
power metal. Yeah, but then I listen to this song
and I can see it because that's what I heard
was power thrash.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I like that, So I would say what Living Wreckage
is is it's like eighties, nineties, early two thousand's metal
hard rock mixed altogether. But it's the thing is all
the vocals are mostly melodic. There's some screams in there,
but we wanted to make sure or when we started
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the band, we were gonna get them alodic singer.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
And you know what that that is something funny enough
that I have the big four that would describe Belladonna.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, which is funny because when I was a kid,
they were the first ones that I got into out
of that genre because of Joey's voice, because I was
more into the pop metal I guess right, So the
other bands are a little bit too scary for me,
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but Joey's vocals that caught my attention. I was like,
all right, the big melodies they Answers had the big
melodies still even though the guitars were trashy and stuff,
there's big vocal hooks and you know, Joey's that good
of a singer. He can go do the national anthem,
you know. No, No, he's a singer.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Singer exactly like he goes and does his journey thing.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
And yeah, that's but I definitely wanted when we were
star Dispadma. I want a singer singer, like a guy
who would be able to do the national anthem. But
you know, he's a rock singer, has some balls, you know.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
And what's cool about your music is I find nowadays
with the heavier extreme music, there is no real diversity
to it.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Like if you take a lot.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Of them that have no blending of genres and going yeah,
micro genre, they all sound the same, like they're using
a formula to make metal music.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
It could be hard. It's like to me a lot
when I'm listening to a lot of the newer stuff,
it's hard for me to say who's who because.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
I can't and I was never like that.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
And I also like bands. It's my favorite stuff. Is
like when you hear the chorus the second time, you.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Got it right now. The songs there so I like
try to go for that. Like if you if you
can remember, remember the chorus after the second time you
did something right there you go.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
I love it And like, okay, so you I remember
back in the eighties, you know, people used to say, oh,
that stuff sounds the same, and I used to argue
with them because it didn't.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Now I'm like, I'm that group to.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
All those singers in the eighties, Like, uh, you could
tell who they were as soon as they start singing,
Like any of the any of the Big Four, you
know right away which.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Band it is, as soon as exactly I talked about
that all the.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Time, or even all the commercially eighties bands, you know, Axel, Rose,
bon Jovi, Sebastian Bach, they all.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
You know who they are as soon as they start singing.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Well, that's like when you take some of those bands
and play a different singer, it's not that band in
my opinion. Like you take Motley Crue, okay, when they
had Karabe, you know he's good, but he's not Motley Crue,
Like Vince Neil is the sound of Motley Crue, even
with a bad voice.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
It's the it's harder the singer because that's what you
get used to, that's the hardest person to change it.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
And to me, sometimes some bands pull it off, but.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I don't know, I don't know, that's that's.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
A very very few do though. Like, yeah, we've been
unpopular opinion. But you know, Armored Saints one of my
favorite bands. I love John Bush. I'm not into him
being Anthrax as singer like to me and like I
heard Neil originally, but to me, most of the time
(15:33):
that was just one album.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
It was Joey and that was the sound of an Throst.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah, when you get.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Used to something, it's it's hard to to change your
way of thinking. Uh, what one band that I that
I love both and I can't decide. I go back
and forth.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Well, kill Switch, no, Van Halen. Oh see, I'm a
total David Lee Roth.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I love both, and it just depends what mood I'm like.
I like sometimes I like that more polished.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Well, I like Sammy Hagar as a musician, as a vocalist,
but you know.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
I all like like like I'm from.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
The beginning of Van Halen and like David Lee Roth,
he was just such a Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Know, I know he's one, but and then I also
love davely Roth, Eat Him and Smile. I thought that
was an unbelievable record because that holds a certain place
for me because my first two tapes when I was
a kid was Christmas at eighty six, I Got Slippery
when Wet and I got Eat Him and Smile in
my first Moon Box. So that was it. That was
(16:45):
like when this all started. Then, I you know, I
had tonal vision.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
If I want to play in a band, that's and
so that's what started it for you. Then that's what
led us to today.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yeah, that that was it.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
So what led me today and literally today is I
was from Jersey and nineteen eighty my dad came up
to me and said, pack your bags were moving to
California in three days.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Whoa.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
And then shortly after I'm there, I went to my
first club show ever at the Roxy on the Sunset Strip.
It was Motley Crue before they ever had an album.
They weren't even glam yet. They were like horror punk.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
So you went straight into Hollywood.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Oh one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Man.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
I was on that whole eighty Sunset Strip scene.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Where the truth Where were you in Jersey before that?
Speaker 4 (17:43):
I grew up in North Jersey Montclair, liw falls roseland
I've lived all over Jersey.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
I actually went back to go to college. That was
my choice.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
But no, you you.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Saw the sunset at the height of.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
At all.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah, I mean I wish I could have a time
machine as Oh.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
My god, it was insane.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Like a lot of bands you're mentioning, you know, it's
like Rat. I remember I used there was one gig
it was Armored Saint and Rat, and like I was
friends with Armored saintan It's like, do you want to
hang backstage or go see the Rat shop?
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Like fuck, I'm not going to see Rat, but I did.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Like one of the first times I ever had sex
was to Sweet Cheater.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Awesome.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
I remember it all too well too, because my dad
came home and decided that was the night he was
gonna give you a lecture for smoking.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
But yet I had some chick in the bedroom and
he didn't know while I was listening to a Rat.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
And then like those parties, man, like I was at
the party when you know, Vince left with Razzle, which
that kind of sucked. But those parties were like unbelievable,
Like are you just to hang out with Mick Mohr's
at the mall. Mick Marrs and Chris Holmes of Lost.
We used to go to the mall.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Oh yeah, I could like that Decline of the Western civilization.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Man, it's like home movies.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
I watched that thing so many times, and if if
I still come across it, I'm gonna watch it. If
it's on somewhere, I'm gonna sit down and watch their
whole thing.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
It's like home movies to me.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
And then also the one uh uh Murder in the
Front Row.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
That's total home movie.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah, yeah, the thrash metal one.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Yeah, because you know, like I was really into Slayer
Metallica when they first came out, yep, And I was
kind of like not into the hairbands because there was
a lot of gatekeeping back then. Yeah, I know I
liked some of them, but you couldn't admit it.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
You know, right.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
You know.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
I had that talk with some of the Exodus guys
because we were on the last Anthrax tour was Megadath,
Exodus and Anthrax, and we did Canada and we all
went on the Anthrax crew boss. They were were throwing
them back, having a good time, and we put on
hair Metal and when Rat came on. Even Gary and
Lee the Exodus Ark Clays were like, yeah, like we
(20:13):
all like this stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Even we said we couldn't say it, but we all
knew Rat was.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Totally and funny story about that with Exodus and that
whole thing. Like so when when Slayer went up to
the Bay Area after Metallica, they used to wear an
eyeliner to look evil. Yeah, so they went, Yeah, they
went up there in Exous was like, yeah, take that
ship off. That don't fly up here maybe in LA
(20:39):
but not here, you know, and they're like, oh, it's
for evil.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
We don't give a fuck, take that ship off. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
And then when Metallican Slayer left LA, me and my
bro used to hitch to Bay Area to go to
those shows up there that were absolutely insane.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, that was another scene, man.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
So you got you were in two major scenes where
everyone talks about and wish they could be.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
There, you know, right from the very beginning.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Like, yeah, you saw that's insane because you saw the
commercial side of it, you know, with Rat and Motley,
and then you got to see the underground part. But
then even those bands all became.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Huge, and I remember sitting backstage teenager you know, and
watching all these hairbands sign with record labels and listening
and the record labels telling them, Okay, you're gonna dress
like this, you're gonna do your music like this, and
kind of turned me off the music. Like I left
the music scene because of it, because like, fuck that.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
I wouldn't want anybody telling me how to do music,
you know.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, it seems like if you were on a major
label like then, you were getting told what to do.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Totally.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
My belief is there is a place for the suits,
you know, I'm all about that, but let them do
their job and let the musicians.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Do their job, like, yeah, they're not the ones that
should say how a musician plays their music. That's my opinion.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Yeah, I agree, that's why I've got you know, it's
nice that that's some of the the smaller labels took
over for rock and metal because they weren't like that
totally big because the smaller labels were more fans. The
indie labels were more fans than the suits. They understood
(22:30):
the music and they were fans of the music, so
they weren't gonna No one was gonna tell Slayer to write.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
About it, you know, exactly and I talk about all
the time and praise Brian.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Slagel, Like even a few years ago, I walked up
to him. I was like, man, you were a genius.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
He goes, that was just a record store clerk because
he used to be a record store clerk at OZ
Records and then he started Metal Blade and so all
us teenagers used to go in there to get our albums.
And he's the one that introduced me to much every
band and every show that I went to.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Yeah, rules, he's a great guy.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Like he didn't plan it that way, but a brilliant
way to market because we'd be a teenager, here, check
out this album, and you'd buy it because he said
check out this album or here Bam magazine, go to
this show.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Yeah, or when labels, the underground labels, whether it's like
Metal Blade, Century Media like all the like Nuclear Blast
type labels, you would you would buy a band. You
would take a shot at it just because the band
was on that label.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
You're like, well the label the good, Yeah, must be
blindly buy it. Oh yeah, Like I think about it too,
Like today I think a lot of kids are probably
missing out on what would be their favorite bands.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yeah, a hundred.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I agree because I've had this experience. I used to
so in high school, I would save up my lunch money.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I wouldn't eat lunch, so about the end of the week,
i'd have enough money to buy a CD exactly. And
then maybe it didn't hit me right away, but I'm like,
you know what, I saved up all week for this.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
I'm gonna see if there's something there.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
So I just keep listening and listening, and eventually a
lot of that shit became my favorite stuff, and it
hit me right away. Pantera was like that. I was
just a skid Row freak as a kid. They were
opening up for skid Row. I'd never heard anything that
heavy in my life. I was except Metallica was the
heaviest thing I was listening to. I saw them and
I was like, I don't know, man, I mean, the
(24:38):
crowd's going crazy, and I'm like, h this is something different.
So I was taking guitar lessons at the mall. I
wouldn't pass the record. So I'm like, I'm gonna buy
that Pantera cit because I just saw them and I
had to spin in a few times. Now they're my
favorite band.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Well, it's funny you should say that because I had
a similar experience when I bought Black and Black Back
in Black. First of all, I was a Bond Scott
fan anyway, but I didn't like that album when I
first listened to it. But you know, you paid your
good money that you worked your ast to get your
your seven dollars or whatever, and and so you would
(25:16):
listen it over and over again because you weren't to
waste your money.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Yeah, and then I loved it.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
And plus there wasn't seven hundred thousand records coming out
that day like now, it's just like, well, if you
don't you sometimes you don't even get through half the
first song and you don't even give it a chance because.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
You're out, like what else can I get? And you
can have it like that?
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Well, I think of some of my favorite songs.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Ever, if I were in this generation, I would never
listen to the song because like like You Take Battery
by Metallica, I would listen to the first ten seconds
and like what the hell is this and then go
to the next track. But then if you waited a
few seconds, yeah, you know, thinking.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
About all those songs with those long inch that like yeah,
in a half intro until the vocals coming that you
would like people would have just been like next.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Next, exactly, you know.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
And I think of too when you know one of
my favorite songs, Fast as a Shark, that beginning, you know,
and you know it's funny. So the former guitars Spits
(26:30):
is a good friend. It's a good friend of mine,
and he told me straight out, he goes. We all
sat around when that song came out and we were like,
oh my god. And they all the Big four all
deem that the first thrash metal song ever.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
I've heard them talk about that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
And I have a story too that's wild about that song.
Because so I went to see Ausie with Randy Rhodes.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
It was a New New Year's Eve, right before he died.
And I lied to my dad, told him I was
sleep at my friend's house. My friend lied to his
parents say he was sleeping at my house.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
You know, you do that.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
And then we went to a show and then we
got back at like I don't know, two in the
Mornia or whatever, so we just I lived in Lake
Lindero and Agora, where there was a hill in my
backyard that went down to the lake. So we just
went to the bomba hill by Lake, so if my
dad woke up, he wouldn't see me. But we were
still at my house. My next door neighbor comes out
and I'm like, oh fuck, and she goes, hey, boys,
(27:33):
were you just at the Aussie show because she saw
us wearing his shirts and stuff. And we're just like, yeah,
we thought we were busted. She goes, hold on, don't
move famous last words that you think you're busted? I
want to get my husband. Husband comes out, he invites
us up to the house. He had a studio in
(27:54):
his house wall to wall cassette tapes and turned out
he was Ozzie's promoter.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Like, what are the chances?
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Holy shit?
Speaker 4 (28:04):
And he hands me this tape and he goes, listen
to this band because they have uh they're not in
this country yet, they'll be here in about six months
and they're gonna be huge, and it was that restless
and wild CD Oh wow. So I remember we listened
(28:27):
to the first song, of course, Fast as Shark, and
we were just like, holy shit, what the hell is that?
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Yeah, that's a great story.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Right, you know, that's the eighties. There's lots of great stories.
You know. If you remember them all.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
That's a whole other story because of all the debauchery,
no doubt. So tell everybody how they can reach out
to you on socials, on the web, get the album,
check check everything out.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Yeah, Living Records and myself, I'm on Facebook and Instagram
the new single. I would say, if you like classic
metal thrash and check out Living Recags new single right
just side of Sanity, and help us spread the word.
We need to help.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Well, I'm glad to spread the word because that everybody's
got to listen to that song is badass. Also, I'm
a gamer, so I really love that the single is
to be featured on sound System So that's really freaking cool.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
That's why we put out a single right now.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
I mean because we put it out ourselves, a standalone
single because the sound System game, there's already people demo
in the game on YouTube. Nice, so the song was
out there. I'm like, we better get the real version
out there because the game and one has all the
like ping bang bang bing you know, all over it.
I'm like, oh, that's I don't I don't want people
to think that's the song. Like, so we kind of
(30:02):
rush and put out the single just so people can
hear it, and plus we're excited to get some kind
of new music out there, so let people know we're
still working.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Totally well, I love it, and I also have the
utmost respect for any musician that can change gears to
working in multiple bands and multiple genres. That's a true musician.
Riff Nice, I love it. That's that's how to do it.
That shows that you absolutely are a musician, that you
(30:30):
love it.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I'm a lifer there.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
It is.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Well, thanks a lot for giving us some more great music,
and thanks for being on the Adventures of pipe Man.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Thank you man. I hope your voice feels better.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Yeah, I got another interview after this. It will feel better,
just in time maybe to go to download in a
couple of weeks or actually to a Milwaukee metal fest too.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Okay, Yeah, I leave for Europe Monday with anthwer Action.
We're doing all the festivals out there, so nice.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Yes, I normally do Hell Festive.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
I'm not doing it this year because my son wanted
to do some Father's Day thing. But yeah, I love
the European festivals and the UK festivals. You guys should
play a bloodstock too. We have, we have I love
that festival.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Maybe next year.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
All right, Well take it easy brother, and we need
a promotion.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Just let me know.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Thank you so much, you got it. Bye.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Thank you for listening to the Adventures of plate Man
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