The Mayor of Christchurch thinks the site of soon to be retired Apollo Projects Stadium should be sold on when it's returned to the council's ownership.
Phil Mauger told Canterbury Mornings he believes the land is best suited for housing, stressing that any redevelopment should respect the site’s past.
"The common-sense use is for housing. Not massive intensive housing, just normal intensification. It'll need a bit of a green area in the middle, it needs to be done properly."
They also discussed the departure of outgoing CEO Mary Richardson, the New Brighton Mall redevelopment, and if Christchurch roads need more cheaper cycleways.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Canterbury Mornings podcast with John McDonald
from news Talks.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
B's regular fortnightly catch up with christ wich meyor philm Major,
cad I Bell Young.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Hello, how are you doing? You're dead right. It is
a fantastic day outside.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
And last night was amazing. People were bagging on about
the sunset and showing you all sorts of photos and things.
But somehow, somehow I missed it. I was must be
staring at the wall for a few minutes or something,
but I missed it. But beautiful time, e ura.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Absolutely, you know lucky. Sadly the Northland's going to get
hammed again this weekend, which is very sad to hear.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Right, what's happening with Mary Richardson? How comes she's leaving?
This is the you know what, acting council chief executive.
How comes he's leaving two months early?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
This is this is the media trying to do a
conspiracy thing.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Oh yeah, yeah, fake news news.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I can assure you there is there's nothing to see here.
Mary has holidays at running out her ears and she's
just using up some of those before she goes. She
was going to ELI at the end of June that
she decided the first man. And you know, she's fantastic lady.
It's so easy to work with, safe for her hands
and and and as you will you know, and you've
(01:19):
reported on it. The performance of council confidence accouncil has
always has gone up since she's been here, and we
I especially extremely grateful for what she's done for us.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Right, Okay, so, hey, bearing, I saw you x x
CEO and a cafe the other day. I had no
idea she's still in town.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I don't know, well she she lived there? Why? Murray way, Yes,
I say, she's still living in town.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Okay, all right, So it's going to be tricky, isn't
it getting a replacement? Because last time you tried, you
didn't get any applicants that were up to the up
to the game, which is why Mary Richardson was some
parachuted in what's what's the process from here?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
We have a company we've engaged as a company called Echelon,
and they I think if it didn't go out today,
it's going out tomorrow the official advertisement for if you
want a job here, come and see us and they
will meet their way through the applicants and we'll have
(02:21):
a list of twenty and then a list of ten,
analist of five and we'll see what we'll do.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
All right, what's the key thing you want to see
in the person who ends up getting the job.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
You've got to you've got to be able to if
you're an extremely hard nosed business person, it may not
work here. You've got to look at local government's a
funny animal, which I've found out because I used to
be a businessman and thought I was going to come
in and make hell with a big stick. But you've
got to work with the system because you've got just
(02:52):
done the twenty eight hundred lives and souls that you've
got to look after, and there's always a little issue
here or they're blowing up, so you've got a massage
the system to get the best out of your staff,
and that's important in any business. And come in with
a big hatchet and cause grief. You're always going to
cause grief. So it's it's it's an interesting situation that's coming.
(03:14):
But I'm sure Chelan will come up with some fantastic
people and we'll make a decision. But it is the
biggest decision that the councils make going to make for
a very long time.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
How would you feel if your old running mate, David
mate supplied.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Oh I'm sure it probably could. There's nothing to nothing
to stop applying at all.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
All right, very diplomatic there, film, that's brilliant. That's why
you're mayor. And I'm not what are your memories of
New Brighton shopping? Because I see that the local community
board has ticked off from the well plans to get
underway the landscape plan and they're hoping to have it
all go by later in the in the year. Do
(03:54):
you Reckon is New Brighton? What's the word? Can it
be saved?
Speaker 3 (03:59):
I think yes, I think so because one of the
things we have got in price each is and you'll
notice it all by a lot more cars on run
and a lot of people move been down here. We've
got lots more people in Tristution we ever had, even
if they're coming in from sell and to go to
the beach and stuff like that. So a lot of
the things we do are very well patronized at the moment.
So so Brighton, you know we need to we are
(04:20):
to Brighton? I think Leach, we do not think, I
know we do to to do this part of our
Seaview road up there's Harris family have thrown one hell
of a lot of money at down there right on
Marine Trade. They're doing along with we've got here. It's
the Village Green project and pear Side. We've got to
(04:44):
get behind them. A lot of a lot of the
old gattering and stuff down and was very tired, so
it needs a bit of a lolliyo. It's not the
whole length of the street, it's just that last but
I where the main shopping part is, like the seaside end.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Can I can I just ask you? Because you know,
the city Council on one hand has told us about
the risk of inundash and and rising sea levels and
all of that stuff. But then you're given the tick
to all this development in this area. Is there a
contradiction or am I imagining that?
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Well, there's We've got a plan thing called Plan Change
thirteen coming out which identifies areas that are low and
could flood that right in the middle of Brighton where
it is is not actually one of them. It's more
easter east side and different areas. But there are houses
getting built down their flat out and that's one another
thing un it's getting built down there by a number
(05:41):
of people, and of course that introduces more people to
the Brighton area. So it's like a snowball and it
starts rolling. So it is very tired that end of
Seaview Road. And it's what we've done there with the
four million plus that two of a million that was
given to us for the village Green and a hell
of a lot of work with residents and local groups
(06:02):
down there to get that going, and it's really coming
into its own.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I see that you claimed that people was the relation
to Bromley, now that people were portraying you as some
sort of illegitimate child. Are you feeling a bruised from
your suggestion of pumping out some of the untreated or
completely untreated wastewater to the ocean.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Now it was totally trud Now. One thing that is
my way of looking at the things is I'd like
to think common sense, pragmatic way. If the ponds are
overloading themselves, let's put only let's bypass a third of it,
which was what my idea was. And I thought, oh,
this can't be that hard. We just treat it, because
we were never putting anything out into the sea that
(06:48):
went over our consent, but the grief in the backlash
and then we had to get a consent. It was
just too It was a bridge too far. So I thought,
I'll jump back in the rabbit hole, and.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
You were going to put back in your rabbit hole
by council staff, wonn't you?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Oh no, no, no, no, not really. When I when
I bought this idea up, no one said to me, oh,
we've actually ordered these these arators and we're going to
have to stop and all that. I wasn't told any
of that. But the aerators are in Wonica, they've already
been from what I understand and made, they're sitting on
the shelf.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Did you not know that was happening?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
No, No, no one When I when I came came
out of my rabbit hole and said, how's about this
for an idea that no one said to me, Oh,
we've already ordered these things that were about to order them.
So I wasn't aware of that when I came up
from my idea.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
But that strikes me as rather weird considered considering that
you've you've been to those public meetings sort of cap
and hand done the big mayor culper. So that you know,
we haven't done good enough, we haven't communicated well enough
with you, and we've got a plan and we're going
to be way better. And then but behind the scenes,
you're not actually quite aware of what is actually going on.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Well what what's what staff were doing that they had
They came to us a while ago with a plan
and said, we'll want to put all these aerators in
p two A and two B. And I think, bite croky,
that's going to cost a fortune. How's And I wasn't
told that we'd actually we're going to order them, and
I said, oh, here's a cheap option. My option was
a lot cheaper. But, as I said, the grief with
(08:22):
residents of the perception that something was going out to
see I even had Shane Jones's office down here in
my office saying, oh what are you doing, your silly
bugger and consenting through that. It wouldn't have you could
have done it, but consenting through egan So we don't
need to consent for what we're doing. We're just doing
more aeration. So it was that was an easier way out.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Of it, all right, Okay, Well, just as sums of it, weird,
that sort of one hand doesn't know what the other
hand's doing, left hand doesn't know what the right hand's doing.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Ah, well you know what. I jump out of my
rabbit hole and so I start waving, Ma'm drown. Say
let's do this, let's do that, and take everyone along
for the ride and get all enthusiastic and so. But
I still feel it. It would have worked, but the
grief was just not worth the effort.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
It still psycho ways because I see that there was
some cycling advocates who turned up at the council meeting
the other day saying, look, we don't need these big, flash,
hairy concrete cycle ways. We just need a few more
of what you've done on park Terrace. Were you surprised
by that?
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Yes, it's music to my ears. I've been going on
about this for ages, and every time I've said, when
we're building one, we'll say the likes of say Islam Road,
for example, Oh my god, this is crossing an absolute
fortune with consultants and design.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Plus it looks, it looks terrible.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Apart from that year, it would have been so much
easier to do things like that. But what I was
always told, oh, it's been through a hearings panel, and
this is what was agreed with, and that's already been
designed and if you want to change it will have
to go out and consult again. So going forward on
the new ones that are done, they will be looked
at in a totally different manner because way back then
(10:02):
when we did the likes of a lot of these,
we were actually being than a shedload millions of dollars
by the government of the time to COVID to get
things going. So of course you tell someone they've got
ten or fifteen million dollars to design a cycle away,
they'll design it to the last dollar and not look
at it and look at it. Oh, I've designed this.
(10:24):
I'm going to get an award for how lovely it
looks and stuff like that. But those days are well gone, so.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I get a little bit lost on which cycle ways
are finished, which ones to be started, which ones are
kind of starting. Are there any of these big, flash,
hairy ones that could actually be scrapped and the money
allocated towards more lower spece cycleways.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Well, the one for the one for wheelster wings on
our Heawood Road, that's put right on the back burner,
And that's something that if it ever did happen, or
if even if it went on that road it might
be able to go on another road. I feel it should.
But we could do it with that lot cheaper system
because it's so much easier. You don't have to dig
(11:05):
a whole of a dirt out and find cold tar
and all that drama and put new curbs in. You
just more or less resell the road you've got in plants,
some blodes and like parked terras.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
All right, so are you going to come out of
your rabbit hole and maybe advocate for the scrapping of
some of the big cycleway projects and go with the
more of the budget stuff, are you?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Well, yes, the design of them. Yes, I'll still the yes. Yes,
yes is the answer.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
The question that's yes about four or five times. It's
very very.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Doing that, So you ain't ask me another question. I'll
use it all your time. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
No, you know, now, I know We've got one more
thing to cover the future of the Apollo Project stadium.
I mean, you've only had fifteen years to work out
what you're going to do with it once the new
one opens and you still haven't worked it out. Well,
why is that?
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Well, Well, there is five heck gears of land down there,
and in my view, in my rabbit hole, the common
sense use of it is to be done is for housing,
not massive intensive housing, just normal intensification. But I'm sure
sure there'll be one hell of a lot of comment
on that when when the time comes it's not it's
not zone right at the moment the thing it has
(12:15):
to be done. In my view, it has to be zoned,
and then we get all the comboards in and ask
for consultation and all that sort of thing, because they
five hectares is a lot of dirt down there.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
You've always been in favor of selling loaf, haven't you.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
We don't need it. See if we fill it up
with housing, and I'm not saying housing wall to war
it needs it'll need a bit of a green area
in the middle. It needs to be done properly. That
that new house, well almost properly, you know what I'm saying.
That needs It needs to be done with a mind,
with green spaces in the middle and properly designed. Not
(12:51):
just wall to wall buildings.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Well, what's an example of wall to wall buildings that
you want you'd want to.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Avoid carnation streep.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Okay, you're not having to Williams call for anything, are you.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Designing to what
we led. I still am the fan, to be honest,
I'm still a fan of we should and it was
I don't know which government it was said we didn't
need car parks and stuff. I'd love to see us
maybe not forced, but encourage people to have at least
more off street parking, not necessarily a garage, but a
car board or something like that, because cars packed down
(13:27):
the road side of the road. It's a car fief,
bloody supermarket or.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Or a picture siphoning facility finding.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Well, I've used up all your time and more. You
better get back in your rabbit hole or what if
you call it, and you'll pop out again in a
fortnight's time. Thanks Phil, look forward to me. Cristis met
Phil Major for more.
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from news Talks.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
B's regular fortnightly catch up with christ wich meyor philm Major,
cad I Bell Young.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Hello, how are you doing? You're dead right. It is
a fantastic day outside.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
And last night was amazing. People were bagging on about
the sunset and showing you all sorts of photos and things.
But somehow, somehow I missed it. I was must be
staring at the wall for a few minutes or something,
but I missed it. But beautiful time, e ura.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Absolutely, you know lucky. Sadly the Northland's going to get
hammed again this weekend, which is very sad to hear.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Right, what's happening with Mary Richardson? How comes she's leaving?
This is the you know what, acting council chief executive.
How comes he's leaving two months early?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
This is this is the media trying to do a
conspiracy thing.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Oh yeah, yeah, fake news news.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I can assure you there is there's nothing to see here.
Mary has holidays at running out her ears and she's
just using up some of those before she goes. She
was going to ELI at the end of June that
she decided the first man. And you know, she's fantastic lady.
It's so easy to work with, safe for her hands
and and and as you will you know, and you've
(01:19):
reported on it. The performance of council confidence accouncil has
always has gone up since she's been here, and we
I especially extremely grateful for what she's done for us.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Right, Okay, so, hey, bearing, I saw you x x
CEO and a cafe the other day. I had no
idea she's still in town.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I don't know, well she she lived there? Why? Murray way, Yes,
I say, she's still living in town.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Okay, all right, So it's going to be tricky, isn't
it getting a replacement? Because last time you tried, you
didn't get any applicants that were up to the up
to the game, which is why Mary Richardson was some
parachuted in what's what's the process from here?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
We have a company we've engaged as a company called Echelon,
and they I think if it didn't go out today,
it's going out tomorrow the official advertisement for if you
want a job here, come and see us and they
will meet their way through the applicants and we'll have
(02:21):
a list of twenty and then a list of ten,
analist of five and we'll see what we'll do.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
All right, what's the key thing you want to see
in the person who ends up getting the job.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
You've got to you've got to be able to if
you're an extremely hard nosed business person, it may not
work here. You've got to look at local government's a
funny animal, which I've found out because I used to
be a businessman and thought I was going to come
in and make hell with a big stick. But you've
got to work with the system because you've got just
(02:52):
done the twenty eight hundred lives and souls that you've
got to look after, and there's always a little issue
here or they're blowing up, so you've got a massage
the system to get the best out of your staff,
and that's important in any business. And come in with
a big hatchet and cause grief. You're always going to
cause grief. So it's it's it's an interesting situation that's coming.
(03:14):
But I'm sure Chelan will come up with some fantastic
people and we'll make a decision. But it is the
biggest decision that the councils make going to make for
a very long time.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
How would you feel if your old running mate, David
mate supplied.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Oh I'm sure it probably could. There's nothing to nothing
to stop applying at all.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
All right, very diplomatic there, film, that's brilliant. That's why
you're mayor. And I'm not what are your memories of
New Brighton shopping? Because I see that the local community
board has ticked off from the well plans to get
underway the landscape plan and they're hoping to have it
all go by later in the in the year. Do
(03:54):
you Reckon is New Brighton? What's the word? Can it
be saved?
Speaker 3 (03:59):
I think yes, I think so because one of the
things we have got in price each is and you'll
notice it all by a lot more cars on run
and a lot of people move been down here. We've
got lots more people in Tristution we ever had, even
if they're coming in from sell and to go to
the beach and stuff like that. So a lot of
the things we do are very well patronized at the moment.
So so Brighton, you know we need to we are
(04:20):
to Brighton? I think Leach, we do not think, I
know we do to to do this part of our
Seaview road up there's Harris family have thrown one hell
of a lot of money at down there right on
Marine Trade. They're doing along with we've got here. It's
the Village Green project and pear Side. We've got to
(04:44):
get behind them. A lot of a lot of the
old gattering and stuff down and was very tired, so
it needs a bit of a lolliyo. It's not the
whole length of the street, it's just that last but
I where the main shopping part is, like the seaside end.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Can I can I just ask you? Because you know,
the city Council on one hand has told us about
the risk of inundash and and rising sea levels and
all of that stuff. But then you're given the tick
to all this development in this area. Is there a
contradiction or am I imagining that?
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Well, there's We've got a plan thing called Plan Change
thirteen coming out which identifies areas that are low and
could flood that right in the middle of Brighton where
it is is not actually one of them. It's more
easter east side and different areas. But there are houses
getting built down their flat out and that's one another
thing un it's getting built down there by a number
(05:41):
of people, and of course that introduces more people to
the Brighton area. So it's like a snowball and it
starts rolling. So it is very tired that end of
Seaview Road. And it's what we've done there with the
four million plus that two of a million that was
given to us for the village Green and a hell
of a lot of work with residents and local groups
(06:02):
down there to get that going, and it's really coming
into its own.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I see that you claimed that people was the relation
to Bromley, now that people were portraying you as some
sort of illegitimate child. Are you feeling a bruised from
your suggestion of pumping out some of the untreated or
completely untreated wastewater to the ocean.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Now it was totally trud Now. One thing that is
my way of looking at the things is I'd like
to think common sense, pragmatic way. If the ponds are
overloading themselves, let's put only let's bypass a third of it,
which was what my idea was. And I thought, oh,
this can't be that hard. We just treat it, because
we were never putting anything out into the sea that
(06:48):
went over our consent, but the grief in the backlash
and then we had to get a consent. It was
just too It was a bridge too far. So I thought,
I'll jump back in the rabbit hole, and.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
You were going to put back in your rabbit hole
by council staff, wonn't you?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Oh no, no, no, no, not really. When I when
I bought this idea up, no one said to me, oh,
we've actually ordered these these arators and we're going to
have to stop and all that. I wasn't told any
of that. But the aerators are in Wonica, they've already
been from what I understand and made, they're sitting on
the shelf.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Did you not know that was happening?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
No, No, no one When I when I came came
out of my rabbit hole and said, how's about this
for an idea that no one said to me, Oh,
we've already ordered these things that were about to order them.
So I wasn't aware of that when I came up
from my idea.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
But that strikes me as rather weird considered considering that
you've you've been to those public meetings sort of cap
and hand done the big mayor culper. So that you know,
we haven't done good enough, we haven't communicated well enough
with you, and we've got a plan and we're going
to be way better. And then but behind the scenes,
you're not actually quite aware of what is actually going on.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Well what what's what staff were doing that they had
They came to us a while ago with a plan
and said, we'll want to put all these aerators in
p two A and two B. And I think, bite croky,
that's going to cost a fortune. How's And I wasn't
told that we'd actually we're going to order them, and
I said, oh, here's a cheap option. My option was
a lot cheaper. But, as I said, the grief with
(08:22):
residents of the perception that something was going out to
see I even had Shane Jones's office down here in
my office saying, oh what are you doing, your silly
bugger and consenting through that. It wouldn't have you could
have done it, but consenting through egan So we don't
need to consent for what we're doing. We're just doing
more aeration. So it was that was an easier way out.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Of it, all right, Okay, Well, just as sums of it, weird,
that sort of one hand doesn't know what the other
hand's doing, left hand doesn't know what the right hand's doing.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Ah, well you know what. I jump out of my
rabbit hole and so I start waving, Ma'm drown. Say
let's do this, let's do that, and take everyone along
for the ride and get all enthusiastic and so. But
I still feel it. It would have worked, but the
grief was just not worth the effort.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
It still psycho ways because I see that there was
some cycling advocates who turned up at the council meeting
the other day saying, look, we don't need these big, flash,
hairy concrete cycle ways. We just need a few more
of what you've done on park Terrace. Were you surprised
by that?
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Yes, it's music to my ears. I've been going on
about this for ages, and every time I've said, when
we're building one, we'll say the likes of say Islam Road,
for example, Oh my god, this is crossing an absolute
fortune with consultants and design.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Plus it looks, it looks terrible.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Apart from that year, it would have been so much
easier to do things like that. But what I was
always told, oh, it's been through a hearings panel, and
this is what was agreed with, and that's already been
designed and if you want to change it will have
to go out and consult again. So going forward on
the new ones that are done, they will be looked
at in a totally different manner because way back then
(10:02):
when we did the likes of a lot of these,
we were actually being than a shedload millions of dollars
by the government of the time to COVID to get
things going. So of course you tell someone they've got
ten or fifteen million dollars to design a cycle away,
they'll design it to the last dollar and not look
at it and look at it. Oh, I've designed this.
(10:24):
I'm going to get an award for how lovely it
looks and stuff like that. But those days are well gone, so.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I get a little bit lost on which cycle ways
are finished, which ones to be started, which ones are
kind of starting. Are there any of these big, flash,
hairy ones that could actually be scrapped and the money
allocated towards more lower spece cycleways.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Well, the one for the one for wheelster wings on
our Heawood Road, that's put right on the back burner,
And that's something that if it ever did happen, or
if even if it went on that road it might
be able to go on another road. I feel it should.
But we could do it with that lot cheaper system
because it's so much easier. You don't have to dig
(11:05):
a whole of a dirt out and find cold tar
and all that drama and put new curbs in. You
just more or less resell the road you've got in plants,
some blodes and like parked terras.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
All right, so are you going to come out of
your rabbit hole and maybe advocate for the scrapping of
some of the big cycleway projects and go with the
more of the budget stuff, are you?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Well, yes, the design of them. Yes, I'll still the yes. Yes,
yes is the answer.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
The question that's yes about four or five times. It's
very very.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Doing that, So you ain't ask me another question. I'll
use it all your time. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
No, you know, now, I know We've got one more
thing to cover the future of the Apollo Project stadium.
I mean, you've only had fifteen years to work out
what you're going to do with it once the new
one opens and you still haven't worked it out. Well,
why is that?
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Well, Well, there is five heck gears of land down there,
and in my view, in my rabbit hole, the common
sense use of it is to be done is for housing,
not massive intensive housing, just normal intensification. But I'm sure
sure there'll be one hell of a lot of comment
on that when when the time comes it's not it's
not zone right at the moment the thing it has
(12:15):
to be done. In my view, it has to be zoned,
and then we get all the comboards in and ask
for consultation and all that sort of thing, because they
five hectares is a lot of dirt down there.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
You've always been in favor of selling loaf, haven't you.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
We don't need it. See if we fill it up
with housing, and I'm not saying housing wall to war
it needs it'll need a bit of a green area
in the middle. It needs to be done properly. That
that new house, well almost properly, you know what I'm saying.
That needs It needs to be done with a mind,
with green spaces in the middle and properly designed. Not
(12:51):
just wall to wall buildings.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Well, what's an example of wall to wall buildings that
you want you'd want to.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Avoid carnation streep.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Okay, you're not having to Williams call for anything, are you.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Designing to what
we led. I still am the fan, to be honest,
I'm still a fan of we should and it was
I don't know which government it was said we didn't
need car parks and stuff. I'd love to see us
maybe not forced, but encourage people to have at least
more off street parking, not necessarily a garage, but a
car board or something like that, because cars packed down
(13:27):
the road side of the road. It's a car fief,
bloody supermarket or.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Or a picture siphoning facility finding.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Well, I've used up all your time and more. You
better get back in your rabbit hole or what if
you call it, and you'll pop out again in a
fortnight's time. Thanks Phil, look forward to me. Cristis met
Phil Major for more.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
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