National's Hamish Campbell and Labour's Reuben Davidson joined John MacDonald for Politics Friday this week.
They covered some of the biggest topics from the week from Iran, the idea from Humphry Rolleston to sell off Enable to fund the rebuild of the Cathedral, and how to solve the wastewater problem in Bromley.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Bot Next Friday Labors, Rubin's Aberson Morning, Rubin, good morning.
How you doing very well school holidays? Well, it makes
no difference to me.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
It's probably faster to get here in the morning.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Makes no marginally but marginal difference. See these days. It's
funny when you're in the thick of it. It's like, oh,
school holidays. School holidays don't talk about. But when the
kids are all, you know, growing up and doing adult stuff,
you kind of forget this school holidays Hams Campbell picking
from memory. Though you'll be in the thick of school holways.
Oh hold on, let's see old button there.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Yeah, no, in the think of it, really enjoying it.
Have two school age kids, so it's great.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
To hold on really enjoying it.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Yes, yeah, it's in. This job is fairly busy, so
it's actually quite good to have some time at home
when when I be there with with the kids. Tried
out the Adventure Park and a few different bits and
pieces with them, I think christ which has some amazing attracts.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Tourism.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Even sitting in the studio overlooking the Margaret Mayhee Playground.
There's great things to do.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Oh, I've been full of people this week. The weather's
been amazing. Speaking of attractions, who buys into this this idea?
Some people have that the christ Church Cathedral was a
tourist attraction and could be a tourist attraction. Again, do
you swallow that one, Reuben?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Ah?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I mean, I think it's an interesting debate, the one
that's you know in the press this morning and that
you've been talking about in the lead up to ten.
Because yes, there is an argument that can be made
that the cathedral was in part of tourist attraction for
christ Church. But I think the thing that everybody isn't
talking about is even if you fixed the cathedral tomorrow
would take a little longer. But even if you completely
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restored the cathedral back to pre earthquake stage tomorrow, that
doesn't mean that cathedral square in and around the cathedral
would would be humming and buzzing like it could and
should be. So I think the bigger converse actually needs
to be not where does the money come from to
fix the cathedral? Yes, that's a conversation, but more importantly,
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how do we get cathedral square humming.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
The where the money comes from. So it's been floated
by Humphrey Rolston that the councils sell Enable Broadband, put
the money into a fund sort of fund, and take
the earnings and spend it on heritage projects. Well, I
think it's a brilliant idea Hormish, what about you?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Yeah, Look, I think it's kind of conflating two kind
of issues with the potential sale of Enable, because it
Enable is a profitable company for the city council. I
think last year I had a profit of forty one
million dollars twenty five, twenty five. Yeah, But the thing is,
I think kind of it does show kind of creativity.
I think we need to kind of look at at
alternative ways if we are going to fund the cathedral. Look,
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I would love to see the cathedral rebuilt. I suppose
the current plan is not necessary for a full restoration
back to how it was, but actually kind of a
stage approach. I think it is kind of it is
a scene to part of the square which Ruben was
talking about, and so I think it would make the
center of our city far more attractive if we could
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have some certainty for developers. Then I think that would
come in and help.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
So was there or no to Humphrey Rolston's idea.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Look, i'd have to probably my gut reaction to it
is no, but I would have to go back and
have it.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Really I thought, you guys are all about selling assets.
I look at that.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
That is a huge, sweet sweeping statement chart. That's my
stock and trade matey exactly, huge sereo type. But the
thing is, I think kind of we do need to
look at the kind of economic returns of what the
cathedral does bring to the city. But as I say,
I think Enable is a productive asset for the city.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
So maybe Reuben, you might be a little bit more
techno than me, as technological not techno.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yeah right, well thanks for verifying.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Does a broadband company will that be as valuable in
the future as it is now because of technological changes.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Absolutely has the potential to continue to be of huge
value asset for christ Church City. Absolutely, And I think
that the more important conversation is, you know, if there's
a financial return, and we know that there is every
year from Enable, as the owner of that company, at
arms length, Council could have a conversation about how Enabled
could return a higher dividend. The thing with selling an
asset is you sell at once it's gone further dividing.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
There's the beauty of Humphrey Rolston's idea is that the
money would not be gone. It would be hold effectively
in perpetuity, and it would be the interest that these
projects would benefit from.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
But wouldn't it be better to continue to own the asset,
to receive a higher dividend and to be able to
use that money to invest in two restoring assets? And
if we're going to be talking about restoring assets, as
a number of callers have mentioned, I mean, there are
a number of buildings in christ Church that need additional
funding to continue their restoration. The museum, the Art Center.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Or that the eventual change that's the museum, And that's
a crime that that project even started without more financial certainty,
don't think Hamish.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
I think what we've as Ruby said, there is a
number of buildings that would be great to see restored.
Of course, we're seeing some of these projects with the
question marks over their funding, and I do think we
do need to look at creative ways that potentially we
could fund some of these things.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
All right, come mid day to day, all right, Yep.
Mid Day to day, Reuben, there's a chat by the
name of John brilliant name who has committed himself to
buy me a couple of ers if the ceasefire agreement
between the United States and Iran is still in place.
I'm starting to get a bit thirsty, and I think
(05:44):
I'm somewhat justified in my thirst, and I think it's
going to be quenched. What chance do you give this
thing holding?
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Look, I think we shouldn't be under any pretense that
it isn't a very fragile ceasefire in the middle lest
at the moment, and a very serious and concerning situation,
both for the threat to life that that poses and
also to the economic challenges globally as a result of
that uncertainty.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, give me a real answer. Well, I think you're
dancing on the head of a pin. Hold on you
having media training from Christopher Luxon or something.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
If I was going to get media training from anyone John,
Christopher Luxon would be so far down the list of
people that are speak Because what I can say to.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
You, brilliant, yes, is it going to last?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
My sincere hope is that it does last. I guess
the reason that I gave you the answer I gave
is because I don't want to quantify it down to
whether or not you'll get a beer at lunchtime or not,
because I think it's a much more serious issue.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Then we're talking two weeks. So will it last two weeks?
Speaker 3 (06:55):
I really hope that it lasts two weeks and longer.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
I'm hopeful that it'll all last. I think kind of.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I think we all are.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
The thing is, I suppose when you look around, I
think there's probably most of the world wants to see
an end of this conflict, and I think it's it's
great that there has been a diplomatic solution has been
been able to be or really is it? Well, yes,
currently there is the cease fire is holding.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
How diplomatic is it though, for both scids to be
saying we won the other the other guy lost our
diplomatic set.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Look, there's always probably going to be retric but at
the end of the day, we want we want bombs
to stop falling, we want missiles stop being fired, we
want terrorism to stop. And I think that that is
at the end of the day. They can say whatever
they like, but we need kind of action at the
end of.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
The day, Reuben Israel to be pulled into line. Look,
I think I think the to pick up on what
Heymus has just said about you know, I totally agree
we do want these things to stop. And to come
to your question John about is it appropriate for both
sides to claim victory. What I think is missing in
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this entire situation is for New Zealand to have a
strong voice that is condemning what's going on over there.
And currently we're just not getting there from our Prime
Minister Wishy Washy a commit to nothing.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Well, we know we're not what you're talking about there.
Why is it not true? How much?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Look Whens Peters is over in Washington at the moment,
and I think what we have done is you've seen
that we have called for a de escalation. We have
been we have signed on with other mid power countries
like Canada, Australia, the UK to kind of make sure
that we can have freedom of navigation, we can have
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those things that we expect to have in international law
and order.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
All right. One of the consequences on that is fuel
going interesting messages come through about that. We will continue
shortly politics Frinday on News, Talk Politics, Friday, National, Samich Campbell, Labors,
Ruben Davidson. Just going to message with my guys. Who's
had a break in at work? Someone sold three diesel
conturners used for generators. I mean this, I suppose politicians
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can't do much about thieves skin they Reuben, can you?
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Well, I mean it's it's definitely a sign of how
expensive fuel is getting right and there's confirmation of that
that people are people are breaking the law to access
fuel fum or. Police would probably help with that, but
I think we're still behind on the target numbersile well behind.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
We can have a conversation on law and order if
you want, we talk about brand Ray, Shall we talk
about youth crime? We can list the whole whole lot anyway,
But look, it is national. I think kind of Australia,
who who are probably in a little bit of a
worse situation from us, have been having this. Truckees have
been going to sleep in the cabs and people been
siphoning off their tanks.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
All right, what about other local issues? I've done the
cathedral tick. What about Apollo Projects, Stadium, the council you know,
despite you know knowing this would be happening for about
the last fourteen fifteen years. Still hasn't got a plan
in terms of what it's going to do with the
land at the old temporary stadium site. My viewers should
be sold, you know, for housing. Christ It's mayor film
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feels that way. What's your view homes?
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Yeah, I think I think it should be sold for
housing as well. I think it's it's been an extremely
good intra measure for a stadium, I think is what
was built in one hundred days. There's been some great, great,
great events there. But actually now we have a far
better stadium, and I think it potentially is surplus to requirement.
It isn't quite an interesting location, of course, behind behind
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retirement village, just kind of nestled in there by the racecourse.
So I think its usage maybe slightly limited by its location.
So I think if we can, if that's going to
be the best economic return helps us with housing, I
think go for it.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Williams Court, they will go anywhere.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
What about you, Reuben, Oh, look, I have great memories
of that stadium back in the A and P Show days.
It's to sit up there and watch the Grand Parade.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Well, it's going back that's before my time in Christry.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Well, well there you go. So so ultimately, I think
it's a community decision. I think the community needs to
be real.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
But the community and Lord, if you look at the
list that people have put out there, we won't make
a decision. It'll be what a fruit garden? Someone suggested.
Issue raised on the show yesterday was the fact that
people's ashes have been scattered there. Do you think that
creates an issue, Reuben.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I wasn't aware of that. It's certainly an additional consideration.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
And so you say it should be up to the community.
Come on, give me an answer. You're a member of
the community. What would you want to see done with it.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I'm a member of the christ Church community, but I'm
not I don't live on that side of the city.
I wouldn't probably use a facility on that side of
the seton.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
We're going to send you the talk back then with
no opinions.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Look, I'm very happy to have lots of opinions, particularly
about recreational resources and community facilities in the parts of
the city that I represent. But I do think the
community needs to be really involved in determining.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I need represent a run. You were happy to talk
about that. So come on, what do you think would
be a potential good use of the site?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I mean, I would be really interested to see that
full list. I think I think it would to a maxiiculd,
maybe a better housing, maybe maybe an apple tree for you, John,
vitamin c up.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
We know we kind of got there. We kind of
got an answer. More answers to be sought. Next. Politics Friday,
Ruben Davids and Labor Hamish Campbell National. So we've got
the twenty twenty six Our fresh Water Report, which was
commissioned by the Ministry Ministry for the Environment pretty much
says state of our waters A shaka? When do we
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need a report to tell us that? Reuben?
Speaker 3 (12:39):
I mean, I think we should. We have good reason
to be concerned about the water quality in our waterway.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
But we know it's credit, don't we.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Well, we know it's not good, but it's important that
we actually collect, you know, good scientific data. What's more
important is that we then come up with a plan
with how we're going to address that.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
So how would a labor government sort it?
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Well, I think what we need to be doing is
investing in measures that will improve water quality. A fresh
water such as well, I'm not a water ecologist or
a water scientist, but I think we need to be
spending money and time with those people. I think we
need to be looking at what's going into our water
and where it's coming from. I think we need to be,
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especially in the context of doing away with regional counsels,
we need to be paying pretty close attention to what
the plan is to having ongoing monitoring of water quality
and enforcement for people who put things into the river
that shouldn't be there.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
All right, So not really an answer, but you're not
You're not delivering many answers today, Rubin.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
I am answering your questions. John, whether I'm giving you nice, tidy,
little sound bites that you can bite back on, or
as a different matter.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Here we go Hames Campbell. I mean it's not good enough.
Is that if you look at you go on the
ecn app thing, I'll go for a swim over Littleton Way,
trying to find a bay where it doesn't says it
can't swim here. It's getting more and more difficult. It's
not that's not good enough.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Is it? Hey?
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Look, I think this report does highlight the challenges we
face and I think it's kind of It's not something
that just happened overnight. There's been decades, decades in the making.
There is there is, there is positive it has been.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
You're both saying stuff, same stuff that anyone could say.
It's not good enough. It's not good enough that we
can't swim in Littleton Harbor.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
I think to all those measures that improve, we still
have work to do.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
You agree that, yes, it's crappy that we can't swim
in the harbor, Yes.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yes, But this is the same is it not the
same Hamish candle that only a few weeks ago was
suggesting that pumping chlorinated sewage into the harbor through the
ocean out for into the ocean, the ocean out for
pipe was a really good idea, a really good idea.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Ignorant and arrogant.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Response, now we're cooking.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Not understand the science behind that. By one little bit,
you did nothing for your constituents and there who were
facing that issue day in day out with the smell,
and to come out with that is absolutely abysmal. The
thing is it was, it was, it was treated. It
was going to go through the sewage parts. It wasn't
going through that. There was a part of it, a
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minority of it was going to bypass the settling ponds
with the injection of bleach into it. And so the
thing is it would actually have led to a very clean, clean, clean,
what's the word discharge into the ocean. So don't try
and pull that one. That is the most ignorant thing
I've heard you ever say.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Do you just say of that until twenty nine past ten.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
The thing is, Look, this is good water quality in
New Zealand is a very important issue, and I think
we take it seriously. And trying to take cheap political
shots over water quality, which is such an important issue,
I think it is beneath Ruben even.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Well, if there's an opportunity to respond, John.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yes, as long as as long as long as it
matches the interest.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Be slightly more measured than Hamish's tirade. But the first
of all, it was a terrible idea that the mayor had,
that the mayor said might cost a couple of million
dollars year. It came out costing closer to twenty No
one in council staff who know about water quality and
how to manage it, for a moment suggested in any
(16:27):
of the reports that it was a good idea. People
I talked to around New Zealand who work in.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
A minute, this has all become too convenient for you guys,
because you're being on about having a go at the council. No,
I'm asked, I'll asking you at central government level water quality,
what is going to be done about it.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
There's one other thing that I would like to address here,
because Hamish has claimed that I've done nothing for my
constituents about this same HAMISHO a couple of weeks ago
pretended he didn't know where Bromley wash so and and
would have absolutely no way of knowing the support and
the level of support that I've been providing for constituents.
And so I think not only is it absolutely untrue,
it's also incredibly political and just an outright lie. And
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if you want to make those claims on here, that's
all well and good, but you've got no evidence to
back them up, and so you're just talking out a
hole in your head.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Hell's it just called you a liar.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
He can he can say what you like. I think
kind of the evidence kind of backs it up. I
think you call some of the some of the approaches
that the Council were doing. I think you called them
a band aid or kind of a number eight. Why
you actually weren't interested in discussing the solutions at the.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Time, really interested in discussing solutions. I just think that
the solution being proposed had any evidence to suggesting you
said that.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
It's just the text per curior pole coming through here,
the fact that you're still under thirty percent, that you're
all fired up.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
I look, I think kind of, I think kind of
what we've seen with the latest polls is look, the
poles bounce around around around all the time. But actually
I think you'll see is actually has been is taking
in the center right block, I think, well sixty five
to fifty five, and I think that's in response to
kunder handling of well of the kind of uncertainty that
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were they we're dealing with.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
It's also the unprecedented trajectory that New Zealand First is
on pretty much doubled the support it had at the
last election.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Look, as I say, polls and that all bounce around
between between the different different parties. But what I'll say is, actually,
if we look at the center right to center left,
and we've seen huge, huge, uptack for which.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Is the big problem for labor, wasn't it Ruben that
you know you're the highest polling party but you still
can't get into government because the other the other two
hanging on your coattails.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Oh look long still a long way off till the
election and not a denial. And Hamish has said, you know,
the poles are moving around a little bit. They are
moving around.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
A little bit.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
We've got we've still got work to do. We'll continue
to do it November seven. That's the poll that matters.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Thank you guys, you brought that a game at about
twenty five past. But as always, very nice to see,
lovely to catch up John Ruben, Davidson and Homes Campbell
Politics Friday.
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Bot Next Friday Labors, Rubin's Aberson Morning, Rubin, good morning.
How you doing very well school holidays? Well, it makes
no difference to me.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
It's probably faster to get here in the morning.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Makes no marginally but marginal difference. See these days. It's
funny when you're in the thick of it. It's like, oh,
school holidays. School holidays don't talk about. But when the
kids are all, you know, growing up and doing adult stuff,
you kind of forget this school holidays Hams Campbell picking
from memory. Though you'll be in the thick of school holways.
Oh hold on, let's see old button there.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Yeah, no, in the think of it, really enjoying it.
Have two school age kids, so it's great.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
To hold on really enjoying it.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Yes, yeah, it's in. This job is fairly busy, so
it's actually quite good to have some time at home
when when I be there with with the kids. Tried
out the Adventure Park and a few different bits and
pieces with them, I think christ which has some amazing attracts.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Tourism.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Even sitting in the studio overlooking the Margaret Mayhee Playground.
There's great things to do.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Oh, I've been full of people this week. The weather's
been amazing. Speaking of attractions, who buys into this this idea?
Some people have that the christ Church Cathedral was a
tourist attraction and could be a tourist attraction. Again, do
you swallow that one, Reuben?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Ah?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I mean, I think it's an interesting debate, the one
that's you know in the press this morning and that
you've been talking about in the lead up to ten.
Because yes, there is an argument that can be made
that the cathedral was in part of tourist attraction for
christ Church. But I think the thing that everybody isn't
talking about is even if you fixed the cathedral tomorrow
would take a little longer. But even if you completely
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restored the cathedral back to pre earthquake stage tomorrow, that
doesn't mean that cathedral square in and around the cathedral
would would be humming and buzzing like it could and
should be. So I think the bigger converse actually needs
to be not where does the money come from to
fix the cathedral? Yes, that's a conversation, but more importantly,
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how do we get cathedral square humming.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
The where the money comes from. So it's been floated
by Humphrey Rolston that the councils sell Enable Broadband, put
the money into a fund sort of fund, and take
the earnings and spend it on heritage projects. Well, I
think it's a brilliant idea Hormish, what about you?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Yeah, Look, I think it's kind of conflating two kind
of issues with the potential sale of Enable, because it
Enable is a profitable company for the city council. I
think last year I had a profit of forty one
million dollars twenty five, twenty five. Yeah, But the thing is,
I think kind of it does show kind of creativity.
I think we need to kind of look at at
alternative ways if we are going to fund the cathedral. Look,
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I would love to see the cathedral rebuilt. I suppose
the current plan is not necessary for a full restoration
back to how it was, but actually kind of a
stage approach. I think it is kind of it is
a scene to part of the square which Ruben was
talking about, and so I think it would make the
center of our city far more attractive if we could
(03:15):
have some certainty for developers. Then I think that would
come in and help.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
So was there or no to Humphrey Rolston's idea.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Look, i'd have to probably my gut reaction to it
is no, but I would have to go back and
have it.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Really I thought, you guys are all about selling assets.
I look at that.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
That is a huge, sweet sweeping statement chart. That's my
stock and trade matey exactly, huge sereo type. But the
thing is, I think kind of we do need to
look at the kind of economic returns of what the
cathedral does bring to the city. But as I say,
I think Enable is a productive asset for the city.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
So maybe Reuben, you might be a little bit more
techno than me, as technological not techno.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yeah right, well thanks for verifying.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Does a broadband company will that be as valuable in
the future as it is now because of technological changes.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Absolutely has the potential to continue to be of huge
value asset for christ Church City. Absolutely, And I think
that the more important conversation is, you know, if there's
a financial return, and we know that there is every
year from Enable, as the owner of that company, at
arms length, Council could have a conversation about how Enabled
could return a higher dividend. The thing with selling an
asset is you sell at once it's gone further dividing.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
There's the beauty of Humphrey Rolston's idea is that the
money would not be gone. It would be hold effectively
in perpetuity, and it would be the interest that these
projects would benefit from.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
But wouldn't it be better to continue to own the asset,
to receive a higher dividend and to be able to
use that money to invest in two restoring assets? And
if we're going to be talking about restoring assets, as
a number of callers have mentioned, I mean, there are
a number of buildings in christ Church that need additional
funding to continue their restoration. The museum, the Art Center.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Or that the eventual change that's the museum, And that's
a crime that that project even started without more financial certainty,
don't think Hamish.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
I think what we've as Ruby said, there is a
number of buildings that would be great to see restored.
Of course, we're seeing some of these projects with the
question marks over their funding, and I do think we
do need to look at creative ways that potentially we
could fund some of these things.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
All right, come mid day to day, all right, Yep.
Mid Day to day, Reuben, there's a chat by the
name of John brilliant name who has committed himself to
buy me a couple of ers if the ceasefire agreement
between the United States and Iran is still in place.
I'm starting to get a bit thirsty, and I think
(05:44):
I'm somewhat justified in my thirst, and I think it's
going to be quenched. What chance do you give this
thing holding?
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Look, I think we shouldn't be under any pretense that
it isn't a very fragile ceasefire in the middle lest
at the moment, and a very serious and concerning situation,
both for the threat to life that that poses and
also to the economic challenges globally as a result of
that uncertainty.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, give me a real answer. Well, I think you're
dancing on the head of a pin. Hold on you
having media training from Christopher Luxon or something.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
If I was going to get media training from anyone John,
Christopher Luxon would be so far down the list of
people that are speak Because what I can say to.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
You, brilliant, yes, is it going to last?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
My sincere hope is that it does last. I guess
the reason that I gave you the answer I gave
is because I don't want to quantify it down to
whether or not you'll get a beer at lunchtime or not,
because I think it's a much more serious issue.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Then we're talking two weeks. So will it last two weeks?
Speaker 3 (06:55):
I really hope that it lasts two weeks and longer.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
I'm hopeful that it'll all last. I think kind of.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I think we all are.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
The thing is, I suppose when you look around, I
think there's probably most of the world wants to see
an end of this conflict, and I think it's it's
great that there has been a diplomatic solution has been
been able to be or really is it? Well, yes,
currently there is the cease fire is holding.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
How diplomatic is it though, for both scids to be
saying we won the other the other guy lost our
diplomatic set.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Look, there's always probably going to be retric but at
the end of the day, we want we want bombs
to stop falling, we want missiles stop being fired, we
want terrorism to stop. And I think that that is
at the end of the day. They can say whatever
they like, but we need kind of action at the
end of.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
The day, Reuben Israel to be pulled into line. Look,
I think I think the to pick up on what
Heymus has just said about you know, I totally agree
we do want these things to stop. And to come
to your question John about is it appropriate for both
sides to claim victory. What I think is missing in
(08:05):
this entire situation is for New Zealand to have a
strong voice that is condemning what's going on over there.
And currently we're just not getting there from our Prime
Minister Wishy Washy a commit to nothing.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Well, we know we're not what you're talking about there.
Why is it not true? How much?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Look Whens Peters is over in Washington at the moment,
and I think what we have done is you've seen
that we have called for a de escalation. We have
been we have signed on with other mid power countries
like Canada, Australia, the UK to kind of make sure
that we can have freedom of navigation, we can have
(08:44):
those things that we expect to have in international law
and order.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
All right. One of the consequences on that is fuel
going interesting messages come through about that. We will continue
shortly politics Frinday on News, Talk Politics, Friday, National, Samich Campbell, Labors,
Ruben Davidson. Just going to message with my guys. Who's
had a break in at work? Someone sold three diesel
conturners used for generators. I mean this, I suppose politicians
(09:07):
can't do much about thieves skin they Reuben, can you?
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Well, I mean it's it's definitely a sign of how
expensive fuel is getting right and there's confirmation of that
that people are people are breaking the law to access
fuel fum or. Police would probably help with that, but
I think we're still behind on the target numbersile well behind.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
We can have a conversation on law and order if
you want, we talk about brand Ray, Shall we talk
about youth crime? We can list the whole whole lot anyway,
But look, it is national. I think kind of Australia,
who who are probably in a little bit of a
worse situation from us, have been having this. Truckees have
been going to sleep in the cabs and people been
siphoning off their tanks.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
All right, what about other local issues? I've done the
cathedral tick. What about Apollo Projects, Stadium, the council you know,
despite you know knowing this would be happening for about
the last fourteen fifteen years. Still hasn't got a plan
in terms of what it's going to do with the
land at the old temporary stadium site. My viewers should
be sold, you know, for housing. Christ It's mayor film
(10:07):
feels that way. What's your view homes?
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Yeah, I think I think it should be sold for
housing as well. I think it's it's been an extremely
good intra measure for a stadium, I think is what
was built in one hundred days. There's been some great, great,
great events there. But actually now we have a far
better stadium, and I think it potentially is surplus to requirement.
It isn't quite an interesting location, of course, behind behind
(10:30):
retirement village, just kind of nestled in there by the racecourse.
So I think its usage maybe slightly limited by its location.
So I think if we can, if that's going to
be the best economic return helps us with housing, I
think go for it.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Williams Court, they will go anywhere.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
What about you, Reuben, Oh, look, I have great memories
of that stadium back in the A and P Show days.
It's to sit up there and watch the Grand Parade.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Well, it's going back that's before my time in Christry.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Well, well there you go. So so ultimately, I think
it's a community decision. I think the community needs to
be real.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
But the community and Lord, if you look at the
list that people have put out there, we won't make
a decision. It'll be what a fruit garden? Someone suggested.
Issue raised on the show yesterday was the fact that
people's ashes have been scattered there. Do you think that
creates an issue, Reuben.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I wasn't aware of that. It's certainly an additional consideration.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
And so you say it should be up to the community.
Come on, give me an answer. You're a member of
the community. What would you want to see done with it.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I'm a member of the christ Church community, but I'm
not I don't live on that side of the city.
I wouldn't probably use a facility on that side of
the seton.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
We're going to send you the talk back then with
no opinions.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Look, I'm very happy to have lots of opinions, particularly
about recreational resources and community facilities in the parts of
the city that I represent. But I do think the
community needs to be really involved in determining.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I need represent a run. You were happy to talk
about that. So come on, what do you think would
be a potential good use of the site?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I mean, I would be really interested to see that
full list. I think I think it would to a maxiiculd,
maybe a better housing, maybe maybe an apple tree for you, John,
vitamin c up.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
We know we kind of got there. We kind of
got an answer. More answers to be sought. Next. Politics Friday,
Ruben Davids and Labor Hamish Campbell National. So we've got
the twenty twenty six Our fresh Water Report, which was
commissioned by the Ministry Ministry for the Environment pretty much
says state of our waters A shaka? When do we
(12:36):
need a report to tell us that? Reuben?
Speaker 3 (12:39):
I mean, I think we should. We have good reason
to be concerned about the water quality in our waterway.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
But we know it's credit, don't we.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Well, we know it's not good, but it's important that
we actually collect, you know, good scientific data. What's more
important is that we then come up with a plan
with how we're going to address that.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
So how would a labor government sort it?
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Well, I think what we need to be doing is
investing in measures that will improve water quality. A fresh
water such as well, I'm not a water ecologist or
a water scientist, but I think we need to be
spending money and time with those people. I think we
need to be looking at what's going into our water
and where it's coming from. I think we need to be,
(13:21):
especially in the context of doing away with regional counsels,
we need to be paying pretty close attention to what
the plan is to having ongoing monitoring of water quality
and enforcement for people who put things into the river
that shouldn't be there.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
All right, So not really an answer, but you're not
You're not delivering many answers today, Rubin.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
I am answering your questions. John, whether I'm giving you nice, tidy,
little sound bites that you can bite back on, or
as a different matter.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Here we go Hames Campbell. I mean it's not good enough.
Is that if you look at you go on the
ecn app thing, I'll go for a swim over Littleton Way,
trying to find a bay where it doesn't says it
can't swim here. It's getting more and more difficult. It's
not that's not good enough.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Is it? Hey?
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Look, I think this report does highlight the challenges we
face and I think it's kind of It's not something
that just happened overnight. There's been decades, decades in the making.
There is there is, there is positive it has been.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
You're both saying stuff, same stuff that anyone could say.
It's not good enough. It's not good enough that we
can't swim in Littleton Harbor.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
I think to all those measures that improve, we still
have work to do.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
You agree that, yes, it's crappy that we can't swim
in the harbor, Yes.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yes, But this is the same is it not the
same Hamish candle that only a few weeks ago was
suggesting that pumping chlorinated sewage into the harbor through the
ocean out for into the ocean, the ocean out for
pipe was a really good idea, a really good idea.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Ignorant and arrogant.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Response, now we're cooking.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Not understand the science behind that. By one little bit,
you did nothing for your constituents and there who were
facing that issue day in day out with the smell,
and to come out with that is absolutely abysmal. The
thing is it was, it was, it was treated. It
was going to go through the sewage parts. It wasn't
going through that. There was a part of it, a
(15:18):
minority of it was going to bypass the settling ponds
with the injection of bleach into it. And so the
thing is it would actually have led to a very clean, clean, clean,
what's the word discharge into the ocean. So don't try
and pull that one. That is the most ignorant thing
I've heard you ever say.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Do you just say of that until twenty nine past ten.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
The thing is, Look, this is good water quality in
New Zealand is a very important issue, and I think
we take it seriously. And trying to take cheap political
shots over water quality, which is such an important issue,
I think it is beneath Ruben even.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Well, if there's an opportunity to respond, John.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yes, as long as as long as long as it
matches the interest.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Be slightly more measured than Hamish's tirade. But the first
of all, it was a terrible idea that the mayor had,
that the mayor said might cost a couple of million
dollars year. It came out costing closer to twenty No
one in council staff who know about water quality and
how to manage it, for a moment suggested in any
(16:27):
of the reports that it was a good idea. People
I talked to around New Zealand who work in.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
A minute, this has all become too convenient for you guys,
because you're being on about having a go at the council. No,
I'm asked, I'll asking you at central government level water quality,
what is going to be done about it.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
There's one other thing that I would like to address here,
because Hamish has claimed that I've done nothing for my
constituents about this same HAMISHO a couple of weeks ago
pretended he didn't know where Bromley wash so and and
would have absolutely no way of knowing the support and
the level of support that I've been providing for constituents.
And so I think not only is it absolutely untrue,
it's also incredibly political and just an outright lie. And
(17:08):
if you want to make those claims on here, that's
all well and good, but you've got no evidence to
back them up, and so you're just talking out a
hole in your head.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Hell's it just called you a liar.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
He can he can say what you like. I think
kind of the evidence kind of backs it up. I
think you call some of the some of the approaches
that the Council were doing. I think you called them
a band aid or kind of a number eight. Why
you actually weren't interested in discussing the solutions at the.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Time, really interested in discussing solutions. I just think that
the solution being proposed had any evidence to suggesting you
said that.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
It's just the text per curior pole coming through here,
the fact that you're still under thirty percent, that you're
all fired up.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
I look, I think kind of, I think kind of
what we've seen with the latest polls is look, the
poles bounce around around around all the time. But actually
I think you'll see is actually has been is taking
in the center right block, I think, well sixty five
to fifty five, and I think that's in response to
kunder handling of well of the kind of uncertainty that
(18:14):
were they we're dealing with.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
It's also the unprecedented trajectory that New Zealand First is
on pretty much doubled the support it had at the
last election.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Look, as I say, polls and that all bounce around
between between the different different parties. But what I'll say is, actually,
if we look at the center right to center left,
and we've seen huge, huge, uptack for which.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Is the big problem for labor, wasn't it Ruben that
you know you're the highest polling party but you still
can't get into government because the other the other two
hanging on your coattails.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Oh look long still a long way off till the
election and not a denial. And Hamish has said, you know,
the poles are moving around a little bit. They are
moving around.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
A little bit.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
We've got we've still got work to do. We'll continue
to do it November seven. That's the poll that matters.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Thank you guys, you brought that a game at about
twenty five past. But as always, very nice to see,
lovely to catch up John Ruben, Davidson and Homes Campbell
Politics Friday.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
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