December 9, 2025 • 34 mins
On the Early Edition with Andrew Dickens Full Show Podcast Wednesday the 10th of December 2025, the government's announced it's replacement of the RMA, independent urban planner and strategic development expert, Bruce Weir shares his thoughts.
The Supreme Court's ruled parents caring for their severely disabled adult children will now be recognised as home-workers, employment lawyer Joe Williams, tells Andrew how big of a difference this will make to people's lives.
Hundreds of thousands of under 16s in Australia will be kicked off their social media accounts from today, AUT communication studies academic Patrick Usmar tells Andrew whether or not New Zealand should follow suit.
Plus, UK/Europe Correspondent Gavin Grey has the latest on a new report into the activities of a top British spy inside the IRA during The Troubles and a man who received four parking tickets when a disabled bay was painted around his car while he was away on holiday.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
That'd be hey, good morning and thank you for joining us.
Coming up over the next hour. The Aussie war on
social media starts today, so we'll work. We'll have that
story for you in five The Supreme Courts ruled the
parents caring for their severely disabled adult children will now
be recognized as homeworkers. Now what does that actually mean
for families? What's it going to cost the nation in
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terms of disability support? We'll have that story for you
in ten minutes time. And the government's RMA reformers now
out for consultation, so what was really in it? Will
have that story for you just before sex Gavin Gray
from the UK Correspondence from right around New Zealand, and
you can have your say by sending me a text.
Small charge does apply. The number is ninety two to
ninety two. The time is seven after five.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
The agenda.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
It's Wednesday, the tenth of December, and Australia's social media
ban for the under sixteens takes effect from today. This
is a world first, we're following it because it may
happen here too, And kids across the ditch, well, they've
got mixed reactions.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
They see social media as a place kind of like
assessful of the Internet, where all kinds of debauchery happens,
which is true, but that could be bettered with like
regulation over complete standing.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
It will be good for people to notice life outside
of social media.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Like everything on social media isn't real.
Speaker 6 (01:28):
Kids are going to find a way to get around it.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So more on that in a couple of minutes time. Yeah,
a new report on a top British spy inside the
II rais is he committed the worst possible crimes torture
and murder, and they say he should finally be named
as Freddy Scupatichi has never been formally named as Steak
Knife and is not named in the report today as
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the government haven't allowed it, but it's widely known it's him,
and the families of his victims now want formal recognition
and accountability from the UK government.
Speaker 7 (02:02):
The whole point of Canova from the start was you
we'll get the truth. How can you say we're getting
anty truth if that key detail is missing?
Speaker 8 (02:13):
There's all, there's always other stuff that's missing because of
natal security, which you have to sort of accept a
certain degree, but that's a basic basic thing. You can't
investigate the agent or the stake may spend all that
money and they're not finding out who he is.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
We'll to talk about this with Gavin Gray. We're talking
about the troubles. The troubles. Hey, and finally Trump and
mister Trump has had another swing at Europe. This is
an interview in Politico. He says decaying, that's a quote,
decaying European countries failed to control migration or take decisive
action to end Ukraine's war with Russia.
Speaker 9 (02:49):
They're not doing a good job. Europe is not doing
a good job. In many ways. They're not doing a
good job. They talk too much and they're not producing.
We're talking about Ukraine. They but they don't produce.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
And so to you, Donald's nine after five.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
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Speaker 2 (03:18):
So that interview with Politico, they released the transcript and
you get the recording as well, so you can have
a listen to it. And it's fair to say that
everyone's saying it was rambling, and everyone's saying it sometimes incoherent,
and that it was halting, which is a bit of
a worry because he's not getting any younger. They tried
to trip him up. The US president struggled to name
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any other Ukrainian cities except for Kiev. He misrepresented elements
of what's been happening in the conflict, and of course
he loves those far right stories about European immigration that
echoed the great replacement conspiracy theory. But whatever, he's the
present he can say this thing, and most chillingly for Ukraine,
he said that Russia has the upper hand and he
says that size should win, And of course his administration
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has also said the state should no longer guarantee Europe's security.
So really you have to say that things are getting
a bit dodgy in Europe and not good for the Ukraine.
So look, I've heard of commenting on the Malori parties woes,
because who really needs an old guy on news talks.
They'd be telling them where they're going wrong. But you know,
they keep on triggering me to be fair, And what
triggered me yesterday was the co leaders coming down from
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the cloud Cuckoo Lamb where they live and saying support
for the party is growing despite this week's pole which
shows that their support is in fact imploding. They say,
heaps of people turned out to their AGM and that's
the proof that support for our party is growing. But
I wonder whether they can't see that the people are
turning up. It's like an intervention, isn't it. Wanting to
have a word and have the chance to corrow the
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party back to some sort of health. The party is
fundamentally flawed, in my opinion. A court has pointed out
they can't even run their own governance rules correctly rules
they wrote themselves. If you can't govern your party, how
on earth could you govern a country. There has been
no governance by the Maori Party for Mali at this stage.
Their legacy will be a twenty one year old MP
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ripped up a piece of paper in Parliament while it
mates to Dahaka. That's a stunt, that's not legacy. And
then this John Tammahery. I have to be careful around
John because he doesn't like being talked about. But he
loves being talked about. He is the party president. He's
been front and center. He shouldn't be named the National
Party president or the Labor Parties or the Greens or Acts.
Mostly these presidents are behind the scene trying to hold
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the thing together. But mister Tama Harry has been in
front of the media, taking sides and helping to rip
it apart. And then there was his appearance on Telly
the other day and did you see the sunglasses, The
most preposterous sunglasses I've ever seen, look like he should
be starring in the Boogie Nights movie. And that's when
it struck me that the president John wants to be
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an MP, and he wants to be the star. He's
not the back room guy. And the guys who are
the MPs, they don't want to be MPs. They just
want to be protesters. And at the end of the day,
nobody wants to do the may It's a case study
in organizational dysfunction. And I just think that MARII deserved better.
But I can't vote for them. And it's twelve after five.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
News Talk said, be all right.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
The social media ban in Australia We're watching this closely
because we think that we could do the same thing.
Speaker 10 (06:23):
What is in it?
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Will it work? More on that mixt.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Get ahead of the headlines on early edition with Andrew
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Speaker 2 (06:38):
Saidb It's five point fifteen has happened. Hundreds of thousands
of under sixteen's over in Australia will be kicked off
their social media accounts from today.
Speaker 11 (06:46):
If you're under sixteen, you're no longer allowed to have
a social media account. Make the most of the school
holidays coming up, rather than spending it scrolling on your phone,
starting your sport, learn a new instrument. I'll read that
book that's been sitting there on your shelf for some time.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Thanks Dan, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, they're all notice. If they
don't clear out the kids, they're looking at fines of
fifty million dollars. Aut Communication Studies academic Patrick Ozma joins me. Now, Hali, Patrick, Hi, there,
how are you? How would this? How do you think
this is going down? Because I've played some kids and
I just played elbow. Talking about the whole thing, the
whole thing feels like, oh, yes, kids, you're misbehaving and
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just go out there and have a run. And I feel,
you know, it's it's not going to be popular amongst
a whole generation.
Speaker 12 (07:36):
It's not that turkeys don't vote for Christmas. So do
you imagine that most young people are very much into
social media? Many of them dare I say, we throw
this word around easily addicted, but my research actually tells
us that some of them might be quietly welcoming it.
I did some research last year with some high school students,
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and you know, one of the things they are is
actually terrified of making the first move when it comes
to real life. They actually do want to socialize, but
the prevalence of social media has potentially eroded those skills.
And no one's saying that all social media use is harmful.
And the way I try to divide it up is
we consume social media, we create social media, we connect,
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and we act on what we see, and most harmful
part is the most popular. So the passive scrolling, the
consuming social media has very well documented harms.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I think it's really I agree Patrick. We all live
in the world, and I totally agree, and I would
actually have to say, if you're worried about scrolling, you
should actually stop the old people doing it as well,
because I've just seen so many old people who are going,
look at this, Barbara, it's like a television station. Look
as Jimmy Kerle. Look, Jimmy Kerr is talking on. There's
an oh, look, there's an amazing picture of something blowing up.
And well, and you look at old people and they're
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scrolling as well.
Speaker 12 (08:55):
Well, that's the good you know, that's the good role modeling. Right,
if you're going to be a parent that tells.
Speaker 13 (08:59):
You kid to get off social media, then you need
to do.
Speaker 12 (09:01):
The same thing, not for going. Thirteen to fifteen year
olds have very different, not as advanced cognitive skills. And
if we can change law, it might mean that the
culture kind of follows, because sometimes you know, changing the
law and locks of cultural change the Marriage Amendment Act,
you know. And this is also don't forget, this isn't
a ban. This is a delay. Always saying it's people
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under a certain a. So we're not saying young people
can never ever use social media. It's a bit like
alcohol or tobacco or drive.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Well, how yeah, I get this, I get this. How
how how compliant and how behind it other organizations are
that actually provide the platforms, because I know that they've
been slowly sort of briefing everybody. You know, this is
going to happen from this day and if you're under sixteen,
you're going to have to stop watching the old TikTok.
So are they behind this or are they going to
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try and look for loopholes and can you know?
Speaker 12 (09:58):
Yeah, in four something is going to be really really difficult.
Imagine that the amount of advertising revenue that they are
about to lose. So they're already releasing things like jupe apps.
There will be ways that young people get around it.
You can get VPNs, fake accounts. But it's going to
help both teachers, parents and other people to kind of,
(10:19):
you know, combat the if you heard of the idea
of the broccoli argument. So if you're a parent, you
might tell your you might tell your kid how many
times a week to eat their broccoli. You might get
to say that three or four times a day. But
social media can can expose young people to advertising messages
thousands of times a week. So rather than it being
a persuasion game, persuading my young person to do something
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or teachers having to monitor it. They can just say, look,
this is actually the law now, so it makes easier.
But the social media platforms are very invested in not
losing this audience. They'll try and find ways around it.
But it is a line in the sand. And you know,
there's never going to be a silver bullet, right, We're
never going to solve these problems overnight. It's a really subtle,
nuanced problem.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Patrick, communications studies from academic. You're quite good at talking,
and so we're now late, and by thank you so
much for your time today. It is nineteen minutes after five.
If you're looking after a disabled child who's now an adult.
Great news came out of the Supreme Court yesterday.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
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Speaker 2 (11:32):
The Supreme Court has ruled the parents caring for their
severely disabled adult children will now be recognized as home
workers now. The change in titles parents to the minimum
wage for compensation if someone is paying them compensation and
thousands of family careers who receive disability support funding could
now argue that they are now disability support employees. So
(11:53):
the employment lawyer Joe Williams joins me, now, good on
it to.
Speaker 13 (11:56):
You, Joe, good morning, Andrew, are you I'm good mate.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
They'd be fighting for this ages. They just wanted to
be recognized at the base level.
Speaker 13 (12:04):
Yes. So this case has quite a long history. It
was initially before the Employment Court who determined that they
were employees. The Court of Appeal overturned that, and the
Supreme Court has overturned it again. As you say, rents
that in their status at employees as found by the
Employment Court.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Okay, so what does this mean? Does it mean that?
Is it about money? And if so, do we have
the money to pay them?
Speaker 13 (12:31):
Well, there's going to be a fairly monumental change in
terms of how these lividuals and support workers are paid
and funded and how the government approaches that. So the
fact that they have now been recognized as employees, obviously,
as you said, bring them them innimum wage entitlement. It
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also brings in things like holiday pay and an entitlement
to the treatment of an employee. When it comes to protections,
against unfair treatment and potential personal grievances. There's a few
different ramifications that flow from it. But in terms of
the funding aspect, particularly around holiday pay, it's potentially a
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really major financial liability to the ministry.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
All right, but the Ministry can't do anything about it
because it's gone to the Supreme Court. Now, is that right?
I mean, because that's the Ministry and the Government have
been fighting against us because of the financial implications, but
now they're they're going to be forced under the law
to actually pay this holiday pay for someone who's looking
after an if they're on disability support.
Speaker 13 (13:44):
Yes, so as the law is currently Obviously the Supreme
Court is the highest court in the land. So that's
the end of the matter when it comes to the
current legal position. One option that remains open, and it
will be interesting to see whether there's movement from the
government is to legislate over the top of this. Certainly
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there's been some movement in recent times around contractors versus
employees with the proposed introduction of a gateway test that's
looking like coming in early next year. Now that applies
to a slightly different situation to this one, but ultimately
it's an option for the government to legislate over the
top of they that decide to go down that route,
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but it's probably a little early to say at this point.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Now, well, we'll wait and see you and Joe and
I thank you very much for your time employment, Lawyer
Joe Williams. But here's the thing. I mean, we all
know that the parents who look after their kids are
amazing and they are heroes and they deserve to be
recognized as such. The question is do we as a
nation have enough money to actually then pay them these
entitlements that they are now legally entitled to. And that's
for the government to worry about.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
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Speaker 2 (14:58):
News Talks will be its Fried to an seven. So
today is today. The Australians lead the world with the
social media ban for people under sixteen, So good luck
with that because you know, the kids who still want
to be online will get around it, because you know,
kids and computers. They can't speak the Queen's English, but
they can sure speak computer. They'll get around it. They'll VPN,
they'll forge and weasele their way through the same way
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that we all got our hands on booze when we
were under age. And the kids who will actively skirt
the law are either the ones who believe that social
media benefits their life and society and I need it
and I want it, I'm going to have it and
I'm prepared to break the law, or they're hoping one
day they might actually get some positive self affirmation off it,
even though more often than not they're bullied, and of
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course the bullies themselves, because the bullies like the social
media and they want to keep doing it. They having fun.
They are not going to pay attention to some words
in black and white written by some old parliamentarians and
a grand hall wearing their fancy clothes. Thanks dad, no thanks.
The kids are not going to be thankful you've taken
away their town hall, their community center, at their pub.
They're going to be some of them going to be resentful,
(16:01):
Some are going to be happy, some are going to
be resentful. And I reckon. There's a lot of parents
who reckon. Social media has rotted their brains the brains
of their kids, so they're behind it. And why we've
asked them, You go, well, oh, they're on social media
my kids and now they've turned into socialists. Just anyway,
look the whole thing, and I think Patrick said this,
it's a signal, and that's virtue signaling. And we all
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know how we feel about virtue signaling. The last government
was greater in even if the virtue is a good one.
And speaking of which, talking about virtue signaling, I found
the whole argibargie between the Before sixteen crew and the
Prime Minister to be a little bit distasteful. It seemed
like these guys were more concerned about who gets the
credit for the posturing rather than helping the kids themselves.
But look, here we go, the messages out there, and
(16:46):
it's a good one. Keep your kids' social media usage
as low as possible. You are the parent, so parent.
And here's my thing. My boys are in their twenties
and they grew up with all of this and I
remember that in them when they are teams. Boys, if
you've been cyber bullied on social media? And their reply
was not really, And then they said, look, if you're
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being bullied and if you're being hassled, what do you
do is you block the dickheads. And that's what I do.
That's what we do too. Oh, and we just turned
the phone off. And by the way, can you drive
me to football? Kids are still being kids, and I
see them out and about at the moment. They're on
holiday already. They're at the beach and they're hanging out
and they're not scrolling on their phones. But I'll tell
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you what the.
Speaker 13 (17:27):
Adults are.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
News Talk, said be Freddy Scappuccini. I think I got
that wrong. He is the I are a spy. He
was a spy for the Crown, So the Crown, the
UK people think he's a hero. The Iris think he's
a devil. Incredible story more than this with Gavin Gray coming.
Speaker 14 (17:46):
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Speaker 15 (18:05):
At be Love Fingers. I feeling in my toe. That's
Belle nigh Uh. You know the accents singing the song
It's Christmas. I'm beginning to accept that Christmas is coming.
I might even get a Christmas tree this weekend. I
haven't got one yet, but there we go, and we
(18:27):
are coming to the end of the year. We need
to find some way of describing this year.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
What do you want? What do you want to call
this year? Suggestions? Not ninety two ninety two?
Speaker 16 (18:34):
Small charge?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
It ticks me in? Is it the year of the
long grind? I'll tell you, I'll tell you what it
could be. It could be the year of AI, because
it's certainly the year when that gadgrip became all pervasive.
This year, KPMG have just revealed that sixty six percent
of us use AI regularly. And on top of that,
there's a survey showing that in most places workplaces, this
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is done by e y its young. Most places, the
use of AI is making work more complicated, and those
reports point to rising levels of stress and overwhelm linked
to rapid AI adoption. Sixty four percent of employees feel
overloaded by the constant stream of new AI tools at work,
and they say that their workload has increased rather than
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ease over the past. Yere, now, hold on, that's not
what it's said on the packet. My little robot buddy
is supposed to make my life easier, but apparently it's
making our lines more stressful because we're doing more. And
that's all about the productivity. I guess now, I'll tell
you what gives me the most about AI, and before that,
the rise of the cloud. It's the pure amount of
computing grunt needed to power these things that we all
(19:39):
take for granted these days. So data centers have popped
up all over the world. I did some researches about
twelve thousand at the moment, but in the United States alone,
four thousand are being constructed as we speak, because AI
needs a data center, and of course it's China. God
knows what's happening there. And most of these new facilities
being built are called high because of their sheer size.
(20:03):
So you've got tens of thousands of servers and sheds
wearing away, and the sheds are hundreds of thousands of
square feet, and there's four thousand new ones coming online.
And all these data centers eat power and consume water
with all their computing and cooling systems. In a many country,
of course, the power comes from non renewable sources. So
(20:25):
here's the thing. As you use your AI, you're helping
to burn coal. As the world is merely burning coal
to power evs as well, we're chewing up the world's
resources to power our computing and then ironically we'll go
on to AI and say, AI, how can we reduce
our carbon footprint? And AI says, I'll just burned some
(20:45):
carbon and figure that out for you. Twenty one to
six News Talk said, be around the country. We go
Callum Proctor from Otaga. Good morning, morning Andrew. There's there's
a rumor that Dunedin's student flats are being improved.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Yeah, well more inspections are being done anyway. MB's inspected
fifty three student homes this year, so they really are
cracking down on damp and run down rentols which are
prominent in North Dunedin. For our students. They issued twenty
three warnings and twelve improvement notices along with four cases
that need further enforcement. And so from that that led
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to eighteen gutter replacements, to bathroom renovations and even rent
reductions for some tenants. So those students will be pleased. Look,
MB says overall, they please that most issues were remedied promptly.
They say one property remains under review for possible further
enforcement action.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
All right, how's your weather?
Speaker 4 (21:39):
A few showers about for Danedan today, some possibly heavy
the high twenty.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
And I thank you for your time. Now, Clais here,
what joins us from Canterbury? Hello Claire, No Claire.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
Good morning.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Well there you are, Hello Claire, I'm here very good.
The City Council is looking for a new boss.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
Yeah, well, Interim Chief Executive Mary Richardson's been in the
job here christ Church since twenty twenty three. She came
in after former CEO Dawn Baxendale unexpectedly stood down. That
was a whole story in itself. Committee findings into Richardson's performance,
which were released in August, found resident satisfaction had jumped
to fifty three percent from forty six under her leadership.
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Staff engagement had also climbed to sixty seven percent, surpassing
the local government benchmark. But Richardson has made it very
clear from day one that she doesn't want the full
five year term. She says she'll remain CEO until June
of next year and that's when she wants to hand
over the right rains. Council is now discussing the recruitment
process for her replacement. That will be in their meeting
(22:41):
later today.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
How's your weather?
Speaker 10 (22:44):
Mainly find a bit of high cloud.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
Northwesterly is turning south easterly late today and high of
twenty eight and.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
To Wellington we go. Max Tol, good morning to you.
Speaker 13 (22:51):
Morning.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
We've talked about this before, and I've told you how
much I like the city to the sea Bridge, and
I couldn't believe that the council was going to spend
so much money to rip it down. But now it
sounds like this a reprieve.
Speaker 16 (23:02):
Yes, we're in luck. This is, of course, the large
timber bridge over Civic Square bridge slash artwork. As you say,
it was to be demolished because the build of strengthen
it from earthquakes apparently got a bit too high. In fact,
the councils were in such a hurry to get it
knocked down before any new building standards were enforced by
their government. For instance, the diggers were literally at the door.
But tomorrow, now maybe it's final savior. A councilor is
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putting forward a motion to effectively finally cancel demolition, and
that is likely to pass at this committee meeting. Andrew Little,
the mayor, for instance, prefers it stays the Green councilors
are the only ones seemingly opposed. They want demolition to
take place, and the good news is these councilors don't
have to worry about its future again or the future
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of the Connected Capital E building until February when they'll
take a look at best options for fixing it up
and revisit the budget, etc.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
All right, how's your winner? Should be?
Speaker 16 (23:57):
Another cracker? Fine northerly, good batting, whether it's twenty one
to the high.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yes, you've got a test starting today and that's going
to be good fun to watch. And I thank you
so much. Neither written money joins me from Auckland.
Speaker 17 (24:07):
Good morning and Auckland and.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Particularly cleanliness and Ora at a shock about a random
stabbing of the by a stranger on a bus going
from gi to town.
Speaker 17 (24:20):
That's right, Andrew. That horrific, horrific yesterday, so one man
died after suffering a stab wound and then another is
in a serious but stable condition in hospital after surgery
on his hand. Now police say they took a thirty
six year old into custody in Auckland CBD yesterday. He
will be appearing in court today.
Speaker 10 (24:37):
Now.
Speaker 17 (24:37):
The Public Transport Uses Association national coordinator, that's John Reeves.
He's come out.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
He says.
Speaker 17 (24:43):
Look, public transport is usually safe. But obviously, you know,
he says, Look, if you feel you find yourself in
an unsafe situation, you know people should call police immediately
from the bus. Is that's the only way to get
offices there fast? I mean, obviously this debate on safety
on buses is not new, is it. Andrew has been
(25:05):
around for a long time. Reeves is also saying, look,
it's time now get together with government police because they
would really like to set up or see a dedicated
public transport policing team or something. Something's got to be done.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Hou's Hawkin's weather.
Speaker 10 (25:18):
Well, it's a fine day.
Speaker 17 (25:19):
Another Scorcha twenty.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Eight is the high I thank you. It is sixteen
to six. Actually, while we're talking about public transport, there
was a fellow who runs the city rail Link who
talked to councilors yesterday and he gave them an update.
Apparently there's been sixteen thousand trial runs by trains through
the tunnels. He says the physical work is finished. He
says they're still within their five point five billion dollar budget.
(25:41):
The last of twenty three new trains being built in
Mexico came up the production line last week, so of
course we can open it can't we can we open it? No,
we can't the link allians who have built the thing
don't hand it over to at until June. And the
word is apparently we're looking at a September opening date.
And the CURL chief executive Pat Rocky, who was doing
(26:04):
this briefing tod councilors stick with us. Better journeys are
around the corner. But boy, we've been hearing that for
a long time, haven't we. It is sixteen to six
Gavin Gray on the way with the incredible story of
the UK spy despised by Ireland but actually a hero
considered the hero in the UK. So what to do
about this fella? And also we'll talk about this rama.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Reform International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, Peace of
mind for New Zealand Business.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Thirteen to six Gavin Gray from the UK. Good morning
to you, Good morning there, Andrew Sir. This is an
incredible story. Is he a hero? Is he a devil?
This is a report into a British spy inside the
Irray during the troubles, saying that he committed terrible, terrible,
terrible terrible things torture and murder should be publicly named now,
by the way, I think we know who he is,
isn't it Freddy Skapatiki.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
That's right, and he died a couple of years back.
So why all this fuss and hurrah. Well, basically, the
Irish an army that wanted Ireland to become one country
not part of the UK, had a notorious internal security
unit tasked with hunting down and executing informants. The man
at the helm was one Freddie Scapatchi and he, it's alleged,
(27:15):
was actually a British spy. So, in other words, somebody
who had infiltrated right to the top of this organization
was in fact allegedly supplying information to the British government
all this while though he was overseeing this nutting squad
as it was called, that had killed many many people
and tortured them as well, And some are saying, do
you know what, he actually killed more people than he
(27:37):
was responsible for saving. He always denied that he was
the agent called State Knife, and indeed he died with
it being quite simply unknown, but lots of people are
convinced he was. And now this latest report said we
owe it to the families to formally name and identify
this British agent and to make sure that this does
not happen again where a British agent goes in with
(27:59):
the intention of saving lives but ends out actually getting
so involved with it, or that he may have taken
more than he said.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Well as incredible. I can feel a film coming on
I really care with Daniel day Lewis in it as well.
Very quickly, a man got four packing tickets when they
came and painted a disabled bay around the car which
was legally packed when he left it when he went
on holiday.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
Yeah, that's right. So we turned up in Croydon, south
of London, left it on an unmarked, unrestricted road, got
back two tickets on the windscreen. Two others came in
the post and he discovered they had painted a disabled
bay around his car. There is even a picture on
CCTV showing the man painting the lines around his car
actually taking a photograph to show that the car was
(28:41):
parked legally, and he sent that to the council saying
do not give this car a ticket. Of course nobody listened.
Now the council has risk given him the money back.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Thank you, Gvin. It is now tim to six News
Talk Sibby. Well, the governments dropped a two hundred and
fifty page monster to replace the ARAM, the Resource Management
Act once too. New laws, one for planning, one for
the environment, and it wants clearer rules and what councils
can and can't regulate. It's estimated this will have the
number of consents. It's estimated this will save thirteen billion
(29:12):
dollars in costs over thirty years, but some people are
worried that the environment could still could get damaged. Bruce
Weir is an independent urban planner and strategic development expert,
and it joins me. Now good morning to you.
Speaker 18 (29:24):
Good morning, Andrew, so very good.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
This is a generational change and everyone's been talking about
reform of the RMA forever, ever since they came in
in nineteen ninety one. So what's your reaction to it.
Speaker 18 (29:35):
Oh, it's great, it's awesome, fantastic.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah, no downside at all.
Speaker 14 (29:43):
Oh.
Speaker 18 (29:44):
Look, there will always be caups of these things when
they come in. You know, the stuff about compensation is
going to be a bit of a headache. But no
fund media league people. There's been so much nonsense going
on in planning and people have rightly been frustrated with
what's been going on.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
So the very first email I got in my inbox
yesterday after the announcement at one o'clock came from Forest
and Bird who said this will negatively impact on New
Zealand's environments and that there's not enough safeguards and that's
why the RMA that was developed and made so monstrously
huge in the first place. What do you reckon to that.
Speaker 18 (30:22):
Oh, look, I think the main thing that I see.
The biggest improvement here is that there's a planning tribune
that you can go to a few if everybody's unhappy
and there's a big issue, there's somewhere you can go to.
The problem we have at the moment is it sort
(30:42):
of almost gets so lid to just that it favors
those who have a lot of money, and so what
happens is that you can get held up. And there's
cases I've been involved with for years, years and years
going through. Those who have a lot of capital can
(31:04):
canstall a process. It's really frustrating even for councils.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
No I understand, I understand. I know a number of
planners for them as well. So there we go, But
what about the risk of people now feeling that they
can put up whatever they want, wherever they want on
their property, and we end out with a terrible cave
creek scenario.
Speaker 18 (31:22):
You know, look, there's if you take an urban environments,
what we've done is we've, in a strange sort of way,
we've gone back to where we used to have a
Town and Country Planning Act, way way way back, and
we've gone back to that.
Speaker 12 (31:37):
We've said, now.
Speaker 18 (31:37):
An urban areas, there's certain rules. Out of the countryside,
there's a different process fundamentally, that's how it goes. And
if you take the FAUMA, you have a volumetric control,
you have a box and we already have that. You know,
you have recession controls and height limits, and you go
(31:59):
for it. You know, build it good it all right,
Bruce Constraint.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
I gotta go, Bruce. I gotta gotta ask you. I
gotta ask you a very random question. What sort of
socks have you got on? Honestly, you've got have you
got long socks? You've got ankle socks?
Speaker 18 (32:16):
Oh my, don't be a food.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Okay, Well, I'm about to talk to Heather and you'll
find out why I asked you that question. That is
Bruce Weir, who is an independent urban planner and a
strategic development expert, who says it's awesome.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Andrew Dickens on early edition with r VS Supercenter explore
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Speaker 2 (32:38):
It'd be random things that Heather through Alan says to
me in the morning. Number one yesterday, Oh it's a
bit cold in the studio.
Speaker 19 (32:45):
Is this okay?
Speaker 2 (32:46):
This is actually slightly too warm? Yes, but have you
looked at the thing? It's it's broken. I think it's
so you might get too hot today this morning, four
am in the morning, Dickens, you're wearing ankle socks. You're
so uncool, And I went, what.
Speaker 10 (33:00):
To be fair?
Speaker 19 (33:01):
I mean, listen, there will be no young person will
be awake at the moment to be able to confirm
this because they're still sleeping in. But if you're wearing
socks that that show you f your ankle and sit
inside your shoe, you are showing your age. It's like
mom jeans.
Speaker 10 (33:15):
It's like when Jerry Seinfeld used to wear jeans and sneakers.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
It's not your jeans, Mamish, they're a bit high.
Speaker 10 (33:21):
But mom jeans are cool now, so now you can
weary oh my.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Lord, but they call mom jeans, so therefore they.
Speaker 10 (33:27):
Can't be cool honestly. Okay, anyway, so high waist?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Okay, I give up. I asked the last guy. I
interviewed Bruce Weir, who was a planner, and said, what
socks have you got on?
Speaker 13 (33:37):
Just I need to know?
Speaker 2 (33:38):
He said, I've got bare feet.
Speaker 13 (33:43):
Feet, what have you got on?
Speaker 19 (33:44):
I've actually got the old summer birkenstocks on because we're wearing.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
We were talking this morning about the kids these days
at my gym. They'll come into the gym. They're wearing long,
long denim shorts right, a random T shirt and they're
wearing socks and a Birkenstock to work out. And this
is you go, that's that's stupid.
Speaker 10 (34:01):
Clo No, no, no, Dickens. The birkenstock, like the clog
with the sock has been cool. Listen to me. I
am for four winters, so start wearing.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
It's still stupid. Why would you in winter wear socks
and birkinsas they're gonna get wet.
Speaker 19 (34:17):
We're talking to Chris bish We're talking to Mark Fus
about the Rmay nice sandals.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Thank you producer kencing
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That'd be hey, good morning and thank you for joining us.
Coming up over the next hour. The Aussie war on
social media starts today, so we'll work. We'll have that
story for you in five The Supreme Courts ruled the
parents caring for their severely disabled adult children will now
be recognized as homeworkers. Now what does that actually mean
for families? What's it going to cost the nation in
(00:32):
terms of disability support? We'll have that story for you
in ten minutes time. And the government's RMA reformers now
out for consultation, so what was really in it? Will
have that story for you just before sex Gavin Gray
from the UK Correspondence from right around New Zealand, and
you can have your say by sending me a text.
Small charge does apply. The number is ninety two to
ninety two. The time is seven after five.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
The agenda.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
It's Wednesday, the tenth of December, and Australia's social media
ban for the under sixteens takes effect from today. This
is a world first, we're following it because it may
happen here too, And kids across the ditch, well, they've
got mixed reactions.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
They see social media as a place kind of like
assessful of the Internet, where all kinds of debauchery happens,
which is true, but that could be bettered with like
regulation over complete standing.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
It will be good for people to notice life outside
of social media.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Like everything on social media isn't real.
Speaker 6 (01:28):
Kids are going to find a way to get around it.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So more on that in a couple of minutes time. Yeah,
a new report on a top British spy inside the
II rais is he committed the worst possible crimes torture
and murder, and they say he should finally be named
as Freddy Scupatichi has never been formally named as Steak
Knife and is not named in the report today as
(01:53):
the government haven't allowed it, but it's widely known it's him,
and the families of his victims now want formal recognition
and accountability from the UK government.
Speaker 7 (02:02):
The whole point of Canova from the start was you
we'll get the truth. How can you say we're getting
anty truth if that key detail is missing?
Speaker 8 (02:13):
There's all, there's always other stuff that's missing because of
natal security, which you have to sort of accept a
certain degree, but that's a basic basic thing. You can't
investigate the agent or the stake may spend all that
money and they're not finding out who he is.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
We'll to talk about this with Gavin Gray. We're talking
about the troubles. The troubles. Hey, and finally Trump and
mister Trump has had another swing at Europe. This is
an interview in Politico. He says decaying, that's a quote,
decaying European countries failed to control migration or take decisive
action to end Ukraine's war with Russia.
Speaker 9 (02:49):
They're not doing a good job. Europe is not doing
a good job. In many ways. They're not doing a
good job. They talk too much and they're not producing.
We're talking about Ukraine. They but they don't produce.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
And so to you, Donald's nine after five.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
The news you need this morning and the in depth
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Speaker 2 (03:18):
So that interview with Politico, they released the transcript and
you get the recording as well, so you can have
a listen to it. And it's fair to say that
everyone's saying it was rambling, and everyone's saying it sometimes incoherent,
and that it was halting, which is a bit of
a worry because he's not getting any younger. They tried
to trip him up. The US president struggled to name
(03:39):
any other Ukrainian cities except for Kiev. He misrepresented elements
of what's been happening in the conflict, and of course
he loves those far right stories about European immigration that
echoed the great replacement conspiracy theory. But whatever, he's the
present he can say this thing, and most chillingly for Ukraine,
he said that Russia has the upper hand and he
says that size should win, And of course his administration
(04:01):
has also said the state should no longer guarantee Europe's security.
So really you have to say that things are getting
a bit dodgy in Europe and not good for the Ukraine.
So look, I've heard of commenting on the Malori parties woes,
because who really needs an old guy on news talks.
They'd be telling them where they're going wrong. But you know,
they keep on triggering me to be fair, And what
triggered me yesterday was the co leaders coming down from
(04:23):
the cloud Cuckoo Lamb where they live and saying support
for the party is growing despite this week's pole which
shows that their support is in fact imploding. They say,
heaps of people turned out to their AGM and that's
the proof that support for our party is growing. But
I wonder whether they can't see that the people are
turning up. It's like an intervention, isn't it. Wanting to
have a word and have the chance to corrow the
(04:45):
party back to some sort of health. The party is
fundamentally flawed, in my opinion. A court has pointed out
they can't even run their own governance rules correctly rules
they wrote themselves. If you can't govern your party, how
on earth could you govern a country. There has been
no governance by the Maori Party for Mali at this stage.
Their legacy will be a twenty one year old MP
(05:06):
ripped up a piece of paper in Parliament while it
mates to Dahaka. That's a stunt, that's not legacy. And
then this John Tammahery. I have to be careful around
John because he doesn't like being talked about. But he
loves being talked about. He is the party president. He's
been front and center. He shouldn't be named the National
Party president or the Labor Parties or the Greens or Acts.
Mostly these presidents are behind the scene trying to hold
(05:29):
the thing together. But mister Tama Harry has been in
front of the media, taking sides and helping to rip
it apart. And then there was his appearance on Telly
the other day and did you see the sunglasses, The
most preposterous sunglasses I've ever seen, look like he should
be starring in the Boogie Nights movie. And that's when
it struck me that the president John wants to be
(05:51):
an MP, and he wants to be the star. He's
not the back room guy. And the guys who are
the MPs, they don't want to be MPs. They just
want to be protesters. And at the end of the day,
nobody wants to do the may It's a case study
in organizational dysfunction. And I just think that MARII deserved better.
But I can't vote for them. And it's twelve after five.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
News Talk said, be all right.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
The social media ban in Australia We're watching this closely
because we think that we could do the same thing.
Speaker 10 (06:23):
What is in it?
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Will it work? More on that mixt.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Get ahead of the headlines on early edition with Andrew
Dickens and are the Supercenter explore are these accessories and
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Speaker 2 (06:38):
Saidb It's five point fifteen has happened. Hundreds of thousands
of under sixteen's over in Australia will be kicked off
their social media accounts from today.
Speaker 11 (06:46):
If you're under sixteen, you're no longer allowed to have
a social media account. Make the most of the school
holidays coming up, rather than spending it scrolling on your phone,
starting your sport, learn a new instrument. I'll read that
book that's been sitting there on your shelf for some time.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Thanks Dan, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, they're all notice. If they
don't clear out the kids, they're looking at fines of
fifty million dollars. Aut Communication Studies academic Patrick Ozma joins me. Now, Hali, Patrick, Hi, there,
how are you? How would this? How do you think
this is going down? Because I've played some kids and
I just played elbow. Talking about the whole thing, the
whole thing feels like, oh, yes, kids, you're misbehaving and
(07:27):
just go out there and have a run. And I feel,
you know, it's it's not going to be popular amongst
a whole generation.
Speaker 12 (07:36):
It's not that turkeys don't vote for Christmas. So do
you imagine that most young people are very much into
social media? Many of them dare I say, we throw
this word around easily addicted, but my research actually tells
us that some of them might be quietly welcoming it.
I did some research last year with some high school students,
(07:58):
and you know, one of the things they are is
actually terrified of making the first move when it comes
to real life. They actually do want to socialize, but
the prevalence of social media has potentially eroded those skills.
And no one's saying that all social media use is harmful.
And the way I try to divide it up is
we consume social media, we create social media, we connect,
(08:21):
and we act on what we see, and most harmful
part is the most popular. So the passive scrolling, the
consuming social media has very well documented harms.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I think it's really I agree Patrick. We all live
in the world, and I totally agree, and I would
actually have to say, if you're worried about scrolling, you
should actually stop the old people doing it as well,
because I've just seen so many old people who are going,
look at this, Barbara, it's like a television station. Look
as Jimmy Kerle. Look, Jimmy Kerr is talking on. There's
an oh, look, there's an amazing picture of something blowing up.
And well, and you look at old people and they're
(08:54):
scrolling as well.
Speaker 12 (08:55):
Well, that's the good you know, that's the good role modeling. Right,
if you're going to be a parent that tells.
Speaker 13 (08:59):
You kid to get off social media, then you need
to do.
Speaker 12 (09:01):
The same thing, not for going. Thirteen to fifteen year
olds have very different, not as advanced cognitive skills. And
if we can change law, it might mean that the
culture kind of follows, because sometimes you know, changing the
law and locks of cultural change the Marriage Amendment Act,
you know. And this is also don't forget, this isn't
a ban. This is a delay. Always saying it's people
(09:25):
under a certain a. So we're not saying young people
can never ever use social media. It's a bit like
alcohol or tobacco or drive.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Well, how yeah, I get this, I get this. How
how how compliant and how behind it other organizations are
that actually provide the platforms, because I know that they've
been slowly sort of briefing everybody. You know, this is
going to happen from this day and if you're under sixteen,
you're going to have to stop watching the old TikTok.
So are they behind this or are they going to
(09:56):
try and look for loopholes and can you know?
Speaker 12 (09:58):
Yeah, in four something is going to be really really difficult.
Imagine that the amount of advertising revenue that they are
about to lose. So they're already releasing things like jupe apps.
There will be ways that young people get around it.
You can get VPNs, fake accounts. But it's going to
help both teachers, parents and other people to kind of,
(10:19):
you know, combat the if you heard of the idea
of the broccoli argument. So if you're a parent, you
might tell your you might tell your kid how many
times a week to eat their broccoli. You might get
to say that three or four times a day. But
social media can can expose young people to advertising messages
thousands of times a week. So rather than it being
a persuasion game, persuading my young person to do something
(10:41):
or teachers having to monitor it. They can just say, look,
this is actually the law now, so it makes easier.
But the social media platforms are very invested in not
losing this audience. They'll try and find ways around it.
But it is a line in the sand. And you know,
there's never going to be a silver bullet, right, We're
never going to solve these problems overnight. It's a really subtle,
nuanced problem.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Patrick, communications studies from academic. You're quite good at talking,
and so we're now late, and by thank you so
much for your time today. It is nineteen minutes after five.
If you're looking after a disabled child who's now an adult.
Great news came out of the Supreme Court yesterday.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
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Speaker 2 (11:32):
The Supreme Court has ruled the parents caring for their
severely disabled adult children will now be recognized as home
workers now. The change in titles parents to the minimum
wage for compensation if someone is paying them compensation and
thousands of family careers who receive disability support funding could
now argue that they are now disability support employees. So
(11:53):
the employment lawyer Joe Williams joins me, now, good on
it to.
Speaker 13 (11:56):
You, Joe, good morning, Andrew, are you I'm good mate.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
They'd be fighting for this ages. They just wanted to
be recognized at the base level.
Speaker 13 (12:04):
Yes. So this case has quite a long history. It
was initially before the Employment Court who determined that they
were employees. The Court of Appeal overturned that, and the
Supreme Court has overturned it again. As you say, rents
that in their status at employees as found by the
Employment Court.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Okay, so what does this mean? Does it mean that?
Is it about money? And if so, do we have
the money to pay them?
Speaker 13 (12:31):
Well, there's going to be a fairly monumental change in
terms of how these lividuals and support workers are paid
and funded and how the government approaches that. So the
fact that they have now been recognized as employees, obviously,
as you said, bring them them innimum wage entitlement. It
(12:54):
also brings in things like holiday pay and an entitlement
to the treatment of an employee. When it comes to protections,
against unfair treatment and potential personal grievances. There's a few
different ramifications that flow from it. But in terms of
the funding aspect, particularly around holiday pay, it's potentially a
(13:18):
really major financial liability to the ministry.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
All right, but the Ministry can't do anything about it
because it's gone to the Supreme Court. Now, is that right?
I mean, because that's the Ministry and the Government have
been fighting against us because of the financial implications, but
now they're they're going to be forced under the law
to actually pay this holiday pay for someone who's looking
after an if they're on disability support.
Speaker 13 (13:44):
Yes, so as the law is currently Obviously the Supreme
Court is the highest court in the land. So that's
the end of the matter when it comes to the
current legal position. One option that remains open, and it
will be interesting to see whether there's movement from the
government is to legislate over the top of this. Certainly
(14:07):
there's been some movement in recent times around contractors versus
employees with the proposed introduction of a gateway test that's
looking like coming in early next year. Now that applies
to a slightly different situation to this one, but ultimately
it's an option for the government to legislate over the
top of they that decide to go down that route,
(14:29):
but it's probably a little early to say at this point.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Now, well, we'll wait and see you and Joe and
I thank you very much for your time employment, Lawyer
Joe Williams. But here's the thing. I mean, we all
know that the parents who look after their kids are
amazing and they are heroes and they deserve to be
recognized as such. The question is do we as a
nation have enough money to actually then pay them these
entitlements that they are now legally entitled to. And that's
for the government to worry about.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
The early edition full show podcast on iHeartRadio how It
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Speaker 2 (14:58):
News Talks will be its Fried to an seven. So
today is today. The Australians lead the world with the
social media ban for people under sixteen, So good luck
with that because you know, the kids who still want
to be online will get around it, because you know,
kids and computers. They can't speak the Queen's English, but
they can sure speak computer. They'll get around it. They'll VPN,
they'll forge and weasele their way through the same way
(15:19):
that we all got our hands on booze when we
were under age. And the kids who will actively skirt
the law are either the ones who believe that social
media benefits their life and society and I need it
and I want it, I'm going to have it and
I'm prepared to break the law, or they're hoping one
day they might actually get some positive self affirmation off it,
even though more often than not they're bullied, and of
(15:39):
course the bullies themselves, because the bullies like the social
media and they want to keep doing it. They having fun.
They are not going to pay attention to some words
in black and white written by some old parliamentarians and
a grand hall wearing their fancy clothes. Thanks dad, no thanks.
The kids are not going to be thankful you've taken
away their town hall, their community center, at their pub.
They're going to be some of them going to be resentful,
(16:01):
Some are going to be happy, some are going to
be resentful. And I reckon. There's a lot of parents
who reckon. Social media has rotted their brains the brains
of their kids, so they're behind it. And why we've
asked them, You go, well, oh, they're on social media
my kids and now they've turned into socialists. Just anyway,
look the whole thing, and I think Patrick said this,
it's a signal, and that's virtue signaling. And we all
(16:23):
know how we feel about virtue signaling. The last government
was greater in even if the virtue is a good one.
And speaking of which, talking about virtue signaling, I found
the whole argibargie between the Before sixteen crew and the
Prime Minister to be a little bit distasteful. It seemed
like these guys were more concerned about who gets the
credit for the posturing rather than helping the kids themselves.
But look, here we go, the messages out there, and
(16:46):
it's a good one. Keep your kids' social media usage
as low as possible. You are the parent, so parent.
And here's my thing. My boys are in their twenties
and they grew up with all of this and I
remember that in them when they are teams. Boys, if
you've been cyber bullied on social media? And their reply
was not really, And then they said, look, if you're
(17:07):
being bullied and if you're being hassled, what do you
do is you block the dickheads. And that's what I do.
That's what we do too. Oh, and we just turned
the phone off. And by the way, can you drive
me to football? Kids are still being kids, and I
see them out and about at the moment. They're on
holiday already. They're at the beach and they're hanging out
and they're not scrolling on their phones. But I'll tell
(17:27):
you what the.
Speaker 13 (17:27):
Adults are.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
News Talk, said be Freddy Scappuccini. I think I got
that wrong. He is the I are a spy. He
was a spy for the Crown, So the Crown, the
UK people think he's a hero. The Iris think he's
a devil. Incredible story more than this with Gavin Gray coming.
Speaker 14 (17:46):
Up waiting for the views and Views you trust to
start your day, It's early Edish with Andrew Dickins and
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Speaker 15 (18:05):
At be Love Fingers. I feeling in my toe. That's
Belle nigh Uh. You know the accents singing the song
It's Christmas. I'm beginning to accept that Christmas is coming.
I might even get a Christmas tree this weekend. I
haven't got one yet, but there we go, and we
(18:27):
are coming to the end of the year. We need
to find some way of describing this year.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
What do you want? What do you want to call
this year? Suggestions? Not ninety two ninety two?
Speaker 16 (18:34):
Small charge?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
It ticks me in? Is it the year of the
long grind? I'll tell you, I'll tell you what it
could be. It could be the year of AI, because
it's certainly the year when that gadgrip became all pervasive.
This year, KPMG have just revealed that sixty six percent
of us use AI regularly. And on top of that,
there's a survey showing that in most places workplaces, this
(18:56):
is done by e y its young. Most places, the
use of AI is making work more complicated, and those
reports point to rising levels of stress and overwhelm linked
to rapid AI adoption. Sixty four percent of employees feel
overloaded by the constant stream of new AI tools at work,
and they say that their workload has increased rather than
(19:18):
ease over the past. Yere, now, hold on, that's not
what it's said on the packet. My little robot buddy
is supposed to make my life easier, but apparently it's
making our lines more stressful because we're doing more. And
that's all about the productivity. I guess now, I'll tell
you what gives me the most about AI, and before that,
the rise of the cloud. It's the pure amount of
computing grunt needed to power these things that we all
(19:39):
take for granted these days. So data centers have popped
up all over the world. I did some researches about
twelve thousand at the moment, but in the United States alone,
four thousand are being constructed as we speak, because AI
needs a data center, and of course it's China. God
knows what's happening there. And most of these new facilities
being built are called high because of their sheer size.
(20:03):
So you've got tens of thousands of servers and sheds
wearing away, and the sheds are hundreds of thousands of
square feet, and there's four thousand new ones coming online.
And all these data centers eat power and consume water
with all their computing and cooling systems. In a many country,
of course, the power comes from non renewable sources. So
(20:25):
here's the thing. As you use your AI, you're helping
to burn coal. As the world is merely burning coal
to power evs as well, we're chewing up the world's
resources to power our computing and then ironically we'll go
on to AI and say, AI, how can we reduce
our carbon footprint? And AI says, I'll just burned some
(20:45):
carbon and figure that out for you. Twenty one to
six News Talk said, be around the country. We go
Callum Proctor from Otaga. Good morning, morning Andrew. There's there's
a rumor that Dunedin's student flats are being improved.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Yeah, well more inspections are being done anyway. MB's inspected
fifty three student homes this year, so they really are
cracking down on damp and run down rentols which are
prominent in North Dunedin. For our students. They issued twenty
three warnings and twelve improvement notices along with four cases
that need further enforcement. And so from that that led
(21:21):
to eighteen gutter replacements, to bathroom renovations and even rent
reductions for some tenants. So those students will be pleased. Look,
MB says overall, they please that most issues were remedied promptly.
They say one property remains under review for possible further
enforcement action.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
All right, how's your weather?
Speaker 4 (21:39):
A few showers about for Danedan today, some possibly heavy
the high twenty.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
And I thank you for your time. Now, Clais here,
what joins us from Canterbury? Hello Claire, No Claire.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
Good morning.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Well there you are, Hello Claire, I'm here very good.
The City Council is looking for a new boss.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
Yeah, well, Interim Chief Executive Mary Richardson's been in the
job here christ Church since twenty twenty three. She came
in after former CEO Dawn Baxendale unexpectedly stood down. That
was a whole story in itself. Committee findings into Richardson's performance,
which were released in August, found resident satisfaction had jumped
to fifty three percent from forty six under her leadership.
(22:19):
Staff engagement had also climbed to sixty seven percent, surpassing
the local government benchmark. But Richardson has made it very
clear from day one that she doesn't want the full
five year term. She says she'll remain CEO until June
of next year and that's when she wants to hand
over the right rains. Council is now discussing the recruitment
process for her replacement. That will be in their meeting
(22:41):
later today.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
How's your weather?
Speaker 10 (22:44):
Mainly find a bit of high cloud.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
Northwesterly is turning south easterly late today and high of
twenty eight and.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
To Wellington we go. Max Tol, good morning to you.
Speaker 13 (22:51):
Morning.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
We've talked about this before, and I've told you how
much I like the city to the sea Bridge, and
I couldn't believe that the council was going to spend
so much money to rip it down. But now it
sounds like this a reprieve.
Speaker 16 (23:02):
Yes, we're in luck. This is, of course, the large
timber bridge over Civic Square bridge slash artwork. As you say,
it was to be demolished because the build of strengthen
it from earthquakes apparently got a bit too high. In fact,
the councils were in such a hurry to get it
knocked down before any new building standards were enforced by
their government. For instance, the diggers were literally at the door.
But tomorrow, now maybe it's final savior. A councilor is
(23:26):
putting forward a motion to effectively finally cancel demolition, and
that is likely to pass at this committee meeting. Andrew Little,
the mayor, for instance, prefers it stays the Green councilors
are the only ones seemingly opposed. They want demolition to
take place, and the good news is these councilors don't
have to worry about its future again or the future
(23:47):
of the Connected Capital E building until February when they'll
take a look at best options for fixing it up
and revisit the budget, etc.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
All right, how's your winner? Should be?
Speaker 16 (23:57):
Another cracker? Fine northerly, good batting, whether it's twenty one
to the high.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yes, you've got a test starting today and that's going
to be good fun to watch. And I thank you
so much. Neither written money joins me from Auckland.
Speaker 17 (24:07):
Good morning and Auckland and.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Particularly cleanliness and Ora at a shock about a random
stabbing of the by a stranger on a bus going
from gi to town.
Speaker 17 (24:20):
That's right, Andrew. That horrific, horrific yesterday, so one man
died after suffering a stab wound and then another is
in a serious but stable condition in hospital after surgery
on his hand. Now police say they took a thirty
six year old into custody in Auckland CBD yesterday. He
will be appearing in court today.
Speaker 10 (24:37):
Now.
Speaker 17 (24:37):
The Public Transport Uses Association national coordinator, that's John Reeves.
He's come out.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
He says.
Speaker 17 (24:43):
Look, public transport is usually safe. But obviously, you know,
he says, Look, if you feel you find yourself in
an unsafe situation, you know people should call police immediately
from the bus. Is that's the only way to get
offices there fast? I mean, obviously this debate on safety
on buses is not new, is it. Andrew has been
(25:05):
around for a long time. Reeves is also saying, look,
it's time now get together with government police because they
would really like to set up or see a dedicated
public transport policing team or something. Something's got to be done.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Hou's Hawkin's weather.
Speaker 10 (25:18):
Well, it's a fine day.
Speaker 17 (25:19):
Another Scorcha twenty.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Eight is the high I thank you. It is sixteen
to six. Actually, while we're talking about public transport, there
was a fellow who runs the city rail Link who
talked to councilors yesterday and he gave them an update.
Apparently there's been sixteen thousand trial runs by trains through
the tunnels. He says the physical work is finished. He
says they're still within their five point five billion dollar budget.
(25:41):
The last of twenty three new trains being built in
Mexico came up the production line last week, so of
course we can open it can't we can we open it? No,
we can't the link allians who have built the thing
don't hand it over to at until June. And the
word is apparently we're looking at a September opening date.
And the CURL chief executive Pat Rocky, who was doing
(26:04):
this briefing tod councilors stick with us. Better journeys are
around the corner. But boy, we've been hearing that for
a long time, haven't we. It is sixteen to six
Gavin Gray on the way with the incredible story of
the UK spy despised by Ireland but actually a hero
considered the hero in the UK. So what to do
about this fella? And also we'll talk about this rama.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Reform International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, Peace of
mind for New Zealand Business.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Thirteen to six Gavin Gray from the UK. Good morning
to you, Good morning there, Andrew Sir. This is an
incredible story. Is he a hero? Is he a devil?
This is a report into a British spy inside the
Irray during the troubles, saying that he committed terrible, terrible,
terrible terrible things torture and murder should be publicly named now,
by the way, I think we know who he is,
isn't it Freddy Skapatiki.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
That's right, and he died a couple of years back.
So why all this fuss and hurrah. Well, basically, the
Irish an army that wanted Ireland to become one country
not part of the UK, had a notorious internal security
unit tasked with hunting down and executing informants. The man
at the helm was one Freddie Scapatchi and he, it's alleged,
(27:15):
was actually a British spy. So, in other words, somebody
who had infiltrated right to the top of this organization
was in fact allegedly supplying information to the British government
all this while though he was overseeing this nutting squad
as it was called, that had killed many many people
and tortured them as well, And some are saying, do
you know what, he actually killed more people than he
(27:37):
was responsible for saving. He always denied that he was
the agent called State Knife, and indeed he died with
it being quite simply unknown, but lots of people are
convinced he was. And now this latest report said we
owe it to the families to formally name and identify
this British agent and to make sure that this does
not happen again where a British agent goes in with
(27:59):
the intention of saving lives but ends out actually getting
so involved with it, or that he may have taken
more than he said.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Well as incredible. I can feel a film coming on
I really care with Daniel day Lewis in it as well.
Very quickly, a man got four packing tickets when they
came and painted a disabled bay around the car which
was legally packed when he left it when he went
on holiday.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
Yeah, that's right. So we turned up in Croydon, south
of London, left it on an unmarked, unrestricted road, got
back two tickets on the windscreen. Two others came in
the post and he discovered they had painted a disabled
bay around his car. There is even a picture on
CCTV showing the man painting the lines around his car
actually taking a photograph to show that the car was
(28:41):
parked legally, and he sent that to the council saying
do not give this car a ticket. Of course nobody listened.
Now the council has risk given him the money back.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Thank you, Gvin. It is now tim to six News
Talk Sibby. Well, the governments dropped a two hundred and
fifty page monster to replace the ARAM, the Resource Management
Act once too. New laws, one for planning, one for
the environment, and it wants clearer rules and what councils
can and can't regulate. It's estimated this will have the
number of consents. It's estimated this will save thirteen billion
(29:12):
dollars in costs over thirty years, but some people are
worried that the environment could still could get damaged. Bruce
Weir is an independent urban planner and strategic development expert,
and it joins me. Now good morning to you.
Speaker 18 (29:24):
Good morning, Andrew, so very good.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
This is a generational change and everyone's been talking about
reform of the RMA forever, ever since they came in
in nineteen ninety one. So what's your reaction to it.
Speaker 18 (29:35):
Oh, it's great, it's awesome, fantastic.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah, no downside at all.
Speaker 14 (29:43):
Oh.
Speaker 18 (29:44):
Look, there will always be caups of these things when
they come in. You know, the stuff about compensation is
going to be a bit of a headache. But no
fund media league people. There's been so much nonsense going
on in planning and people have rightly been frustrated with
what's been going on.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
So the very first email I got in my inbox
yesterday after the announcement at one o'clock came from Forest
and Bird who said this will negatively impact on New
Zealand's environments and that there's not enough safeguards and that's
why the RMA that was developed and made so monstrously
huge in the first place. What do you reckon to that.
Speaker 18 (30:22):
Oh, look, I think the main thing that I see.
The biggest improvement here is that there's a planning tribune
that you can go to a few if everybody's unhappy
and there's a big issue, there's somewhere you can go to.
The problem we have at the moment is it sort
(30:42):
of almost gets so lid to just that it favors
those who have a lot of money, and so what
happens is that you can get held up. And there's
cases I've been involved with for years, years and years
going through. Those who have a lot of capital can
(31:04):
canstall a process. It's really frustrating even for councils.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
No I understand, I understand. I know a number of
planners for them as well. So there we go, But
what about the risk of people now feeling that they
can put up whatever they want, wherever they want on
their property, and we end out with a terrible cave
creek scenario.
Speaker 18 (31:22):
You know, look, there's if you take an urban environments,
what we've done is we've, in a strange sort of way,
we've gone back to where we used to have a
Town and Country Planning Act, way way way back, and
we've gone back to that.
Speaker 12 (31:37):
We've said, now.
Speaker 18 (31:37):
An urban areas, there's certain rules. Out of the countryside,
there's a different process fundamentally, that's how it goes. And
if you take the FAUMA, you have a volumetric control,
you have a box and we already have that. You know,
you have recession controls and height limits, and you go
(31:59):
for it. You know, build it good it all right,
Bruce Constraint.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
I gotta go, Bruce. I gotta gotta ask you. I
gotta ask you a very random question. What sort of
socks have you got on? Honestly, you've got have you
got long socks? You've got ankle socks?
Speaker 18 (32:16):
Oh my, don't be a food.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Okay, Well, I'm about to talk to Heather and you'll
find out why I asked you that question. That is
Bruce Weir, who is an independent urban planner and a
strategic development expert, who says it's awesome.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Andrew Dickens on early edition with r VS Supercenter explore
r v's excess or resent surfacing all in one news talks.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
It'd be random things that Heather through Alan says to
me in the morning. Number one yesterday, Oh it's a
bit cold in the studio.
Speaker 19 (32:45):
Is this okay?
Speaker 2 (32:46):
This is actually slightly too warm? Yes, but have you
looked at the thing? It's it's broken. I think it's
so you might get too hot today this morning, four
am in the morning, Dickens, you're wearing ankle socks. You're
so uncool, And I went, what.
Speaker 10 (33:00):
To be fair?
Speaker 19 (33:01):
I mean, listen, there will be no young person will
be awake at the moment to be able to confirm
this because they're still sleeping in. But if you're wearing
socks that that show you f your ankle and sit
inside your shoe, you are showing your age. It's like
mom jeans.
Speaker 10 (33:15):
It's like when Jerry Seinfeld used to wear jeans and sneakers.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
It's not your jeans, Mamish, they're a bit high.
Speaker 10 (33:21):
But mom jeans are cool now, so now you can
weary oh my.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Lord, but they call mom jeans, so therefore they.
Speaker 10 (33:27):
Can't be cool honestly. Okay, anyway, so high waist?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Okay, I give up. I asked the last guy. I
interviewed Bruce Weir, who was a planner, and said, what
socks have you got on?
Speaker 13 (33:37):
Just I need to know?
Speaker 2 (33:38):
He said, I've got bare feet.
Speaker 13 (33:43):
Feet, what have you got on?
Speaker 19 (33:44):
I've actually got the old summer birkenstocks on because we're wearing.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
We were talking this morning about the kids these days
at my gym. They'll come into the gym. They're wearing long,
long denim shorts right, a random T shirt and they're
wearing socks and a Birkenstock to work out. And this
is you go, that's that's stupid.
Speaker 10 (34:01):
Clo No, no, no, Dickens. The birkenstock, like the clog
with the sock has been cool. Listen to me. I
am for four winters, so start wearing.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
It's still stupid. Why would you in winter wear socks
and birkinsas they're gonna get wet.
Speaker 19 (34:17):
We're talking to Chris bish We're talking to Mark Fus
about the Rmay nice sandals.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Thank you producer kencing
Speaker 1 (34:30):
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