Labour's new education spokesperson says giving non-unionised educators pay increases will divide teachers further.
Boards can now make individual employment offers to non-NZEI primary teachers after the union rejected three recent deals.
Ginny Andersen told Ryan Bridge it undermines existing bargaining and teachers would get more under the collective if it kept being negotiated.
She says this is a short-cut that gives them less money and not as good conditions.
Ginny Andersen took over the portfolio in Labour's shadow Cabinet reshuffle yesterday, replacing Willow-Jean Prime.
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Primary teachers here back home, threatening legal action against the
Public Service Commission. Why non union teachers were offered a
pay rights around four and a half to four point
seven percent within twelve months, roughly the same deal currently
being negotiated with the union. On her first full day
in the job, Jenny Anderson, Labor's education spokesperson, joins us
lived any.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Good morning, good morning, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Nice to have you here. What's wrong with teachers getting
a pay rise?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Teachers do an amazing job every day, but this is
not going to help our kids learn, and it's just
going to divide teachers and make life tougher for teachers
who are already leaving and going off to Australia.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
How will an extra fifty to seventy six dollars a
week in their back pocket stop them going to us?
Not stop them going to Australia.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
This will divide teachers.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
It's a breach of good faith.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
So the way it usually happens is a collective agreement
is negotiated and then this process happens. This has been
used to divide teachers. And to be honest, if if
Erica Stanford really did put our kids first, she wouldn't
be pulling a stunt like this.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
But they're already divided because a third of them aren't
union members. They choose not to be. That's their adults.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Well, what happens usually is the collective agreement is negotiated
and then the individual happens after that. So by doing
it this way, it's sue the divide's teachers. We've already
got a teacher shortage of over seven hundred teachers, and
this is not going to help our kids leave.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
But how is not paying non union teachers more going
to help that shortage?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Because it undermines the existing negotiation.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
We have to dim the one third, have to bend
over for the two third.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
No, that's the way it always happens. The collective agreement
is negotiating.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
How is that fair face bargaining to the ten thousand
adult primary teachers out there who decide of their own
free will to not be union members, why should they
not get a pay rise?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Now?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Thank you very much, I.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Hear what you're saying. I totally hear what you're saying.
But the way of doing this actually underlines teachers and
will pay them lease. They've been in good faith negotiations
We've heard the government say before that they should go
back to the bargaining table and keep negotiating.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
The government should take its own jenny.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
That they've teachers. The two thirds who are union members
could take this deal tomorrow too. They just choose not to.
Everyone has free will. We're all adults. The kids are
the ones that they teach.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
They choose not to.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
They choose not to because they believe they deserve better.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
They do inspirement so.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
They can have their beliefs.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
They can go and believe in God for all I like,
But why stop the other ones? Why stop the other
ones getting the money, because.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
At the end of the day it will mean least
pay for our teachers, and we know that.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
They already get credible at least.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
No, no, it's not I then end of the day,
it will not be more as how look more what's
being offered and what's being negotiated already these people work
incredibly hard.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
How was fifty to seventy six dollars extra a week?
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Not more?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Because they would get more under the collective if that
kept being negotiated. The long game will provide more for
teachers and give them what they're asking for through the bargaining.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
So this is a shortcut that gives them less.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Money and not as good conditions as what they would get.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Okay, sounds suspicious, Ginny. Appreciate your time this morning, Ginny
Anderson from Labor.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
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