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April 13, 2026 2 mins

Trump's at war with the Pope again, this time over Iran. Last time it was over Gaza. 

Usually the pontiff is a bit more low-key, just praying and kissing babies and cruising round in the white robe in the Pope-mobile, like Batman but less cool. 

Not Leo. Leo has spoken out, telling Trump to end the war and saying he does not fear the President.

This is a humanitarian appeal, but its delivery its a little more political than past statements because of the way the US President is being name-checked personally. 

There's nothing newsworthy about the Pope calling for peace. Popes are going to do what Popes do, and we all want peace. 

But religious leaders are doing more of this - getting political. 

We've had vicars in nappies chaining themselves to Nicola Willis' electorate office. Priests opposing ACT's Treaty bill. Ten church groups held an all-night vigil at St Paul's Cathedral in protest of the Coalition Government's 'move-on' orders. 

Deborah Coddington, former ACT MP, made a relevant observation about this in the Spinoff last week.

She said instead of showboating, hand-wringing and virtue signalling, churches could start paying rates to local bodies, and sell some valuable assets they currently rent out – which would raise enough money to house the homeless who sleep on the streets.

The Vatican, because of its small population and huge tithings, is the 18th wealthiest nation in the world per capita. They boast a huge real estate portfolio. 

It's hard to work out exactly what it's worth all up, but media reports anywhere between $73 and 250 billion. So more than the combined wealth of all the billionaires this country's ever known.

You can see how this starts to look if they get a little too political: hypocritical. 

Like the Salvation Army and Amnesty International when they go beyond calling out poverty, and start advocating for wealth taxes to solve it. 

It rubs people the wrong way. 

Personally, I think the less political a religious leader, the more effective and weightier their message. 

Is nothing sacred anymore? 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Trump's at war with the pope again, this time over Iran.
Last time it was Gaza. Usually the pontiff is a
bit more low.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Key, you know, just cruising around praying, kissing babies in
the white Robin, the popemobile, but like Batman, but less cool.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Not Leo, no our Leo has spoken out telling Trump
to end the war and saying he does not fear
the president. This is a humanitarian appeal, no doubt about it,
but its delivery is a little more political than past
statements because of the way the US President has been
name checked personally. There's nothing newsworthy about a pope calling

(00:36):
for peace. Pope's gone do what Pope's gone do, and
we all want peace. But religious leaders are doing more
of this getting political. We've had vickers and nappies chaining
themselves to Nicola Willis's electric office. Remember that, We've had
priests supposing Axe Treaty bill. Ten church groups held an
all night vigil at Saint Paul's Cathedral to protest the

(00:57):
Coalition government's move on orders. Deborah Coddington, former Acting p
made quite a relevant observation about this in the spin
off last week. She said, instead of showboating and hand
ringing and virtue signaling. Churches should start paying rates to
local bodies, sell some of those very valuable assets that
they currently rent out. That it raised enough money to

(01:19):
house the homeless who sleep on the streets right now,
problem solved. So why don't they do that the Vatican
because it's got a small population to see the Vatican
huge tithings, eighteenth wealthiest nation in the world per capita,
huge real estate portfolio. In fact, media reports vary, but
anywhere between seventy three and two hundred and fifty billion
dollars worth of real estate, thank you, very much, more

(01:41):
than the combined wealth of all the billionaires of this
country has ever known, that's for sure. And you can
see how this starts to look if they start to
get too political hypocritical, like the Salvation Army, Amnesty International.
You know, when they go beyond just calling out poverty
and start advocating for things like wealth Tank, it just

(02:02):
rubs people the wrong way. Personally, I think the less
politically religious leader, the more effective their message. Is nothing
sacred anymore, that it seems not not in Pope Leo's world.
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