Outrageous and 'a load of rubbish' are the Prime Minister's words to describe a Green MP's comments about police.
Wellington Central MP Tamatha Paul spoke at an event last week, saying all beat police do is walk around - and throw away homeless people's items.
Newstalk ZB senior political correspondent Barry Soper says this makes the Greens look like a laughing stock.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Barry Sober here, Hey Barry, good afternoon, Ryan. Now a
quick little update from Penny Henado in the House today.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Well you wouldn't have noticed it, really, but he got
up and I think it probably would have took him
all of ten seconds to say he's sorry, and I
love the media always talks about the powerful Parliamentary Privileges Committee. Well,
it is a slap on the wrist of the wet
bus ticket. Although Penni Henardo was the least offensive in
(00:28):
the House when they did the haka, he did stand
on the floor and join in with the Maldi party.
They've yet to get their sentence, but they may maybe
not ten seconds, maybe they're thirty seconds, who knows.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
All right, now, it's all about the Greens today.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Oh yes, Well you've got such a laugh the other
day about them here that came more of a laugh today, Ryan.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
So we've got two things to tackle and we've actually
got an update on the and everyone would have heard
about the cops Tamotha Paul and the police comments. Well
there's an update in just a second. But you've got
an update from the House on the.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Profit profit profit. Yes, indeed, you can understand why the
Green's leadership in Parliament have embraced the color of their
party because they're Green with envy of anyone that does
make money out of doing business. Their co leader, Chloe Swarbrick,
was added again in Parliament today out quizzing the Prime
Minister on why he, without shame embraces profit.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Here she is When the Prime Minister says profit is
a good thing, does he mean the one million dollars
in excess profits a day made by the supermarket giopoly
or the record billions in profits made by banks and
the energy sector that are former national government partially privatized
or something else?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Ah, I mean, I actually am stumped for words the
thoughts I think in that question of Chloe Sporwick ever
being a finance minister in a Labour Greens government future
government is not great?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
How much private profit is he comfortable asking New Zealanders
to fork out for his public private partnerships?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Everyty question go on with Peter?
Speaker 5 (02:16):
I asked the Prime Minister has his cabinet decided to
review all of the will where dusk capital still works?
And do they know they as a cabinet tend to
take on those economic theories?
Speaker 4 (02:26):
It would be safe to say that we are not
proponents of dust capital.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
How much private profit is he comfortable asking New Zealanders
to fork out for his public private partnerships because he
refuses to fairly tax the wealthiest New Zealanders in this country?
Why is the government refusing to invest and publicly led,
publicly funded and publicly operated infrastructure.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
And the answer to that, she was quite simple, ready,
because we're capital thinn in this country. That's why we
seek capital from abroad. Now.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
The Greens spokeswoman on police Tammotha Paul, at it again,
this time saying basically that cops on the beat are
just wandering around wasting their time.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Well essentially that's what she is saying that. I mean,
she's under fire for the comments. I mean, Mark Mitchell,
the Police Minister, can't believe it. She said it was
possible to replace cops on the beat, and of course
the latest advent of this government. She seemed to suggest, though,
it's a new advent for police being out on the beat. Well,
(03:42):
for her knowledge, and she's only in her late twenties,
they are on the beat when I was a kid,
and that's many many years ago before she was ever
a spark in a parent's eye. But look, Paul makes
no apologies for her view on the police and being
the Wellington Central MP, she reckons she knows what she's
talking about.
Speaker 6 (04:01):
I think that the police should be responding to incidences
of domestic violence, sexual violence, things that only they can do.
I think beat patrols is an easy thing that can
be substituted for by Marty Warden's by halfay aka kind
of community people walking around which we have in Wellington.
I think it's unusual for them to see someone be
critical of the police. But I think it is important
(04:21):
that somebody in this Parliament are critical of police because
the IPCA, who investigate misconduct by the police, only investigate
two percent of all of the complaints that they receive.
The heavier visual presence of police does not make people
feel safer. It makes people feel more on edge because
there are more police around.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I mean, can you believe that this is the Greens
spokes woman on police and if they are in coalition
with the Labor Party, lord help her at the next election. Well,
who knows. I mean, you've got Chloe worrying about profit,
You've got this tamb of the Paul saying cops shouldn't
(04:58):
be on the beat. What's the what's the country going
to come to?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
There's actually an update on this Barry from Laura who's
executive producer here. So Tamotha Paul in her comments accused
police of waiting for homeless people to leave their spot,
packing their stuff up and throwing it in the bin. Yes,
and she said she credited this with feedback she had
received as the local MP from the Salvation Army. Now,
(05:23):
of course the media has gone to the Salvation Army
and they have replied I am not cured, thank you
for your inquiry. I'm not sure who might have made
this comment to Tamotha Paul. It was not anyone in
an official capacity with the Salvation Army, as I am aware.
We have a good relationship with the New Zealand Police
and we would raise any potential problems directly with them.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
So they're not refuse collectors on the beat.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
No, apparently not, and the Salvation Army doesn't hold that view.
So wait for some more evidence.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I guess where she comes up with the figures. I
will never know. No, like two percent of IPC complaints
being investigated, there's independent investigations with two percent, but there
are many more complaints that are looked at by the place.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Yeah, they don't just they don't ignore everything else. They
look into everything and then only those that they deem
serious enough or with legitimate.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
They have an independent investigation. And that's where you got
the two percent figure. But you know it's totally misleading.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Arry Soper, thanks for your time. Veriysa for senior political correspondent.
For more from Hither Duplessy, Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
Barry Sober here, Hey Barry, good afternoon, Ryan. Now a
quick little update from Penny Henado in the House today.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Well you wouldn't have noticed it, really, but he got
up and I think it probably would have took him
all of ten seconds to say he's sorry, and I
love the media always talks about the powerful Parliamentary Privileges Committee. Well,
it is a slap on the wrist of the wet
bus ticket. Although Penni Henardo was the least offensive in
(00:28):
the House when they did the haka, he did stand
on the floor and join in with the Maldi party.
They've yet to get their sentence, but they may maybe
not ten seconds, maybe they're thirty seconds, who knows.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
All right, now, it's all about the Greens today.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Oh yes, Well you've got such a laugh the other
day about them here that came more of a laugh today, Ryan.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
So we've got two things to tackle and we've actually
got an update on the and everyone would have heard
about the cops Tamotha Paul and the police comments. Well
there's an update in just a second. But you've got
an update from the House on the.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Profit profit profit. Yes, indeed, you can understand why the
Green's leadership in Parliament have embraced the color of their
party because they're Green with envy of anyone that does
make money out of doing business. Their co leader, Chloe Swarbrick,
was added again in Parliament today out quizzing the Prime
Minister on why he, without shame embraces profit.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Here she is When the Prime Minister says profit is
a good thing, does he mean the one million dollars
in excess profits a day made by the supermarket giopoly
or the record billions in profits made by banks and
the energy sector that are former national government partially privatized
or something else?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Ah, I mean, I actually am stumped for words the
thoughts I think in that question of Chloe Sporwick ever
being a finance minister in a Labour Greens government future
government is not great?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
How much private profit is he comfortable asking New Zealanders
to fork out for his public private partnerships?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Everyty question go on with Peter?
Speaker 5 (02:16):
I asked the Prime Minister has his cabinet decided to
review all of the will where dusk capital still works?
And do they know they as a cabinet tend to
take on those economic theories?
Speaker 4 (02:26):
It would be safe to say that we are not
proponents of dust capital.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
How much private profit is he comfortable asking New Zealanders
to fork out for his public private partnerships because he
refuses to fairly tax the wealthiest New Zealanders in this country?
Why is the government refusing to invest and publicly led,
publicly funded and publicly operated infrastructure.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
And the answer to that, she was quite simple, ready,
because we're capital thinn in this country. That's why we
seek capital from abroad. Now.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
The Greens spokeswoman on police Tammotha Paul, at it again,
this time saying basically that cops on the beat are
just wandering around wasting their time.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Well essentially that's what she is saying that. I mean,
she's under fire for the comments. I mean, Mark Mitchell,
the Police Minister, can't believe it. She said it was
possible to replace cops on the beat, and of course
the latest advent of this government. She seemed to suggest, though,
it's a new advent for police being out on the beat. Well,
(03:42):
for her knowledge, and she's only in her late twenties,
they are on the beat when I was a kid,
and that's many many years ago before she was ever
a spark in a parent's eye. But look, Paul makes
no apologies for her view on the police and being
the Wellington Central MP, she reckons she knows what she's
talking about.
Speaker 6 (04:01):
I think that the police should be responding to incidences
of domestic violence, sexual violence, things that only they can do.
I think beat patrols is an easy thing that can
be substituted for by Marty Warden's by halfay aka kind
of community people walking around which we have in Wellington.
I think it's unusual for them to see someone be
critical of the police. But I think it is important
(04:21):
that somebody in this Parliament are critical of police because
the IPCA, who investigate misconduct by the police, only investigate
two percent of all of the complaints that they receive.
The heavier visual presence of police does not make people
feel safer. It makes people feel more on edge because
there are more police around.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I mean, can you believe that this is the Greens
spokes woman on police and if they are in coalition
with the Labor Party, lord help her at the next election. Well,
who knows. I mean, you've got Chloe worrying about profit,
You've got this tamb of the Paul saying cops shouldn't
(04:58):
be on the beat. What's the what's the country going
to come to?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
There's actually an update on this Barry from Laura who's
executive producer here. So Tamotha Paul in her comments accused
police of waiting for homeless people to leave their spot,
packing their stuff up and throwing it in the bin. Yes,
and she said she credited this with feedback she had
received as the local MP from the Salvation Army. Now,
(05:23):
of course the media has gone to the Salvation Army
and they have replied I am not cured, thank you
for your inquiry. I'm not sure who might have made
this comment to Tamotha Paul. It was not anyone in
an official capacity with the Salvation Army, as I am aware.
We have a good relationship with the New Zealand Police
and we would raise any potential problems directly with them.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
So they're not refuse collectors on the beat.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
No, apparently not, and the Salvation Army doesn't hold that view.
So wait for some more evidence.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I guess where she comes up with the figures. I
will never know. No, like two percent of IPC complaints
being investigated, there's independent investigations with two percent, but there
are many more complaints that are looked at by the place.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Yeah, they don't just they don't ignore everything else. They
look into everything and then only those that they deem
serious enough or with legitimate.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
They have an independent investigation. And that's where you got
the two percent figure. But you know it's totally misleading.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Arry Soper, thanks for your time. Veriysa for senior political correspondent.
For more from Hither Duplessy, Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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