September 12, 2024 • 5 mins
There's clear consensus among experts that Kamala Harris emerged victorious after yesterday's action-packed debate against Donald Trump.
The pair clashed over economy, abortion and foreign policy - with Trump spouting outlandish claims about late-term abortions and migrants eating people's pets.
ZB senior political correspondent Barry Soper unpacked the fallout from the debate in Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
BARRISO senior political correspondence with US. Now, go on, Barris,
just get it out of your system.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Heather, Yeah, I was really interested in your editorial, very
good on Donald Trump and Carmela Harris and their first
debate the eating cats and dogs. I mean, what he
was doing was he was extrapolating that here was one
case and you mentioned that a cat Hiatian had taken
(00:29):
a cat and allegedly eaten it. One case, but that
to be the whole of the eleven million dollars in
immigrants that are there illegally in the United States. And
the other one is the baby is being executed. Now,
(00:49):
I've had a lot of email today on this, and
it's true that some babies do survive after an abortion, thankfully,
and unfortunately some die. But those that do survive there
is an attempt at that stage to keep them alive.
(01:10):
But abortions are dreadful in any situation, and so, but
they're not being executed as Donald Trump would have us believe.
So it's the way he presents it, and it's the
way his followers suck it up and say.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
What are you taking issue with? Are you taking issue
with how he phrased language, or the very fact that
he claims that this is real.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Well, no, what what he What he leaves the impression
of everyone one with is that, for example, on abortion,
that babies are being executed, you know, ad infinitum around
the United States, which is patently wrong. The other thing
is that eating cats and dogs. That's just crap. I mean,
(01:56):
he's seen one hang on, he's seen one television item,
and you know, he's extrapolated from that that that's going
on all over the country with these bids.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I didn't say it was.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
No, but what I'm saying is that's what he's trying
to the impression.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Well, what I was saying was happening was that there
is just enough evidence on the Internet to allow these
people who support him, some of them, to believe that
it really was happening.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
They believe it on one case, you know, the.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Totally misguarded Well okay, Barry, thank you, thank you for clarifying.
We didn't realize you didn't like Donald Trump, but now
we do. Okay, wonderful, Manky. What about Darlena, So she's
basically stitching together a story which I actually am quite
fascinated by that the Greens actually wanted to fire her
from the get go. They were never going to give
her a chance.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
She says, well, her appropriately named lawyer, Sharon Green representing
her in court today, and this is the case that
prevented the Greens from meeting to decide whether to use
the walker jumping legislation. Look, it was interesting the argument
that you've put up Foratana being held accountable for her
(03:06):
husband's actions as a very dangerous path to head down,
because you know, no politician can be held for the
actions of their family members. But that's presupposing that this
report that was carried out on Darlene Tarma exonerated her
from any involvement in the exploitation of immigrants. So what
(03:30):
she would argue, Sharon Green, is that basically Chloe Swarbrick
and Madam and Davidson was essentially playing to the media
and they were providing the answers that they believed that
the media should have. And to that end, it was
really interesting in Parliament this afternoon. It was that Green's
(03:50):
case in court today that saw Chloe Swarbrick coming off
second best. When she was questioning our old mate Winston Peters,
who's acting for the Prime Minister today in Parliament, Swarbrick
was talking about the Treaty Principal's Bill, Peter's talked about
the Green's court case here they are.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Can the Prime Minister think of anything that is a
bigger waste of the public's time than allowing a six
month long select committee process on a divisive so called
Treaty Principles bill when the majority of government has already
committed to opposing that very bill.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
I can think of all sorts of court cases which
are a grosser waste of the public's time and money,
and where the machi has been done when the person
not in here, And of course the court case is
now involving taxpayers paying for the court proceedings as we speak.
And that number from the Green Party would know all
about that case, wouldn't she.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Now we're talking about Trump earlier, hasn't Wiston got a
great way of turning the situation around to see his
own purpose.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
He's done a good job. He's done a good little
jiu jitsu on her.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
There.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Hey, this regulation ministry from David Sebells proving to be
quite costly, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Well? It is four hundred thousand dollars in consultants. It's
replacing the old Productivity Commission, so they're producing at a
lot of money for consultants there is, but also the
ninety people that are thought to be going to be
end up being employed by them as other public servants
being laid off. Are they getting an average of one
(05:20):
hundred and fifty k a year? So let's hope that
this regulation Commission undoes a lot of the red tape
that David Seymour says it'll do once it's set up
and running.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Chris has suggested we should pre book Saint John and
for a be later for you for election day. How
do you feel about you ready for that?
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Very good, Thank you very much, Chris.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
If Trug comes in, if Trump comes in, your checking out.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
They got an email from him today and not a
particularly pleasant one either.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Thanks Verry so for senior political correspondens.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
BARRISO senior political correspondence with US. Now, go on, Barris,
just get it out of your system.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Heather, Yeah, I was really interested in your editorial, very
good on Donald Trump and Carmela Harris and their first
debate the eating cats and dogs. I mean, what he
was doing was he was extrapolating that here was one
case and you mentioned that a cat Hiatian had taken
(00:29):
a cat and allegedly eaten it. One case, but that
to be the whole of the eleven million dollars in
immigrants that are there illegally in the United States. And
the other one is the baby is being executed. Now,
(00:49):
I've had a lot of email today on this, and
it's true that some babies do survive after an abortion, thankfully,
and unfortunately some die. But those that do survive there
is an attempt at that stage to keep them alive.
(01:10):
But abortions are dreadful in any situation, and so, but
they're not being executed as Donald Trump would have us believe.
So it's the way he presents it, and it's the
way his followers suck it up and say.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
What are you taking issue with? Are you taking issue
with how he phrased language, or the very fact that
he claims that this is real.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Well, no, what what he What he leaves the impression
of everyone one with is that, for example, on abortion,
that babies are being executed, you know, ad infinitum around
the United States, which is patently wrong. The other thing
is that eating cats and dogs. That's just crap. I mean,
(01:56):
he's seen one hang on, he's seen one television item,
and you know, he's extrapolated from that that that's going
on all over the country with these bids.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I didn't say it was.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
No, but what I'm saying is that's what he's trying
to the impression.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Well, what I was saying was happening was that there
is just enough evidence on the Internet to allow these
people who support him, some of them, to believe that
it really was happening.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
They believe it on one case, you know, the.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Totally misguarded Well okay, Barry, thank you, thank you for clarifying.
We didn't realize you didn't like Donald Trump, but now
we do. Okay, wonderful, Manky. What about Darlena, So she's
basically stitching together a story which I actually am quite
fascinated by that the Greens actually wanted to fire her
from the get go. They were never going to give
her a chance.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
She says, well, her appropriately named lawyer, Sharon Green representing
her in court today, and this is the case that
prevented the Greens from meeting to decide whether to use
the walker jumping legislation. Look, it was interesting the argument
that you've put up Foratana being held accountable for her
(03:06):
husband's actions as a very dangerous path to head down,
because you know, no politician can be held for the
actions of their family members. But that's presupposing that this
report that was carried out on Darlene Tarma exonerated her
from any involvement in the exploitation of immigrants. So what
(03:30):
she would argue, Sharon Green, is that basically Chloe Swarbrick
and Madam and Davidson was essentially playing to the media
and they were providing the answers that they believed that
the media should have. And to that end, it was
really interesting in Parliament this afternoon. It was that Green's
(03:50):
case in court today that saw Chloe Swarbrick coming off
second best. When she was questioning our old mate Winston Peters,
who's acting for the Prime Minister today in Parliament, Swarbrick
was talking about the Treaty Principal's Bill, Peter's talked about
the Green's court case here they are.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Can the Prime Minister think of anything that is a
bigger waste of the public's time than allowing a six
month long select committee process on a divisive so called
Treaty Principles bill when the majority of government has already
committed to opposing that very bill.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
I can think of all sorts of court cases which
are a grosser waste of the public's time and money,
and where the machi has been done when the person
not in here, And of course the court case is
now involving taxpayers paying for the court proceedings as we speak.
And that number from the Green Party would know all
about that case, wouldn't she.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Now we're talking about Trump earlier, hasn't Wiston got a
great way of turning the situation around to see his
own purpose.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
He's done a good job. He's done a good little
jiu jitsu on her.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
There.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Hey, this regulation ministry from David Sebells proving to be
quite costly, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Well? It is four hundred thousand dollars in consultants. It's
replacing the old Productivity Commission, so they're producing at a
lot of money for consultants there is, but also the
ninety people that are thought to be going to be
end up being employed by them as other public servants
being laid off. Are they getting an average of one
(05:20):
hundred and fifty k a year? So let's hope that
this regulation Commission undoes a lot of the red tape
that David Seymour says it'll do once it's set up
and running.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Chris has suggested we should pre book Saint John and
for a be later for you for election day. How
do you feel about you ready for that?
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Very good, Thank you very much, Chris.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
If Trug comes in, if Trump comes in, your checking out.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
They got an email from him today and not a
particularly pleasant one either.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Thanks Verry so for senior political correspondens.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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