Full Show Podcast: 06 August 2026

On the Heather du Plessis-Allan Drive Full Show Podcast for Thursday, 6 July, 2026, Winston Peters says Christopher Luxon's pledge to look at a referendum on MMP is a sign of desperation.

We talk to a pharmacist about whether they're prepared to treat more conditions, as ACT wants them to do.

Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown on the number of passengers he hopes will catch the City Rail Link.

And on The Huddle, Mike Munro and Jordan Williams discuss Chris Luxon - one of them says he's a dead man walking.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's Heather Duplicity.

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Allen Drive with One New Zealand and the power of
satellite mobile news Talk simb.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Hey, Good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today,
Winston Peters on whether he will say yes to the
Prime Minister's MMP referendum. We'll get a take on those
new subjects for years twelve and thirteen. And Chris Hopkins
on Labor Party's Labour's new small business policy.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Heather Duplicy Allen, Yeah, Well, if.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Chris Luckson's week wasn't already bad yesterday, it's not much
better today, not after he announced, apparently off the cuff
on z B this morning with Kerry that he's going
to be holding an MMP referendum again if he wins
the election. Now, where do I start with the problems
with him doing this? The first problem is that this
looks incredibly desperate. No one was asking for a referendum.

(00:50):
It's not a topic of discussion. I'm sure we can
all see that MMP is given Chris lux and Heaps
to trouble because he can't fire a foreign minister for
being racist without ending the coalition and forcing us app election,
but that had not led to a clamor for a
return of FPP, in which case him suddenly announcing that
he wants to get rid of MMP, which is basically
what he said by calling for a referendum on the thing,

(01:11):
looks like he just wants to get rid of the
system that's to blame for his party currently polling around
thirty percent, sometimes below thirty percent. That just looks incredibly desperate. Now,
I'm not saying that he is desperate, because I actually
think what happened here is that Chris Luxen fell into
the trap of doing what Chris Luxan often does, which
is agreeing with the person that he's talking to him
because Kerry really liked the idea. All of a sudden

(01:33):
he liked the idea, and off he went on a tangent.
But for people who didn't hear the whole exchange and
just see the headlines, this looks desperate. The second problem
is that this is now dominating what should really be
a very good news day for the National Party. Their
star minister, Erica Stanford, has just released the new subjects
for students who are doing Year twelve and thirteen Chris

(01:54):
Bishop has finally revealed the date for the new train
system in Auckland. We should be talking about that, but
instead we're talking about the Prime Minister saying the second
weird thing in a week. For the record, if there
was a referendum, and there will not be a referendum,
which is why this idea is cocked. If there was
a referendum, it would fail because look at how many
people currently vote for parties only they're because of MMP,

(02:17):
the Greens, the Act Party, New Zealand first top, the
Opportunity Party. If you believe the current polls, the two
FPP parties, the two old parties National and Labor can't
get themselves out of the low thirties. So it's gonna fail.
And that is the third problem. A prime minister should never,
if they can avoid it, back an idea that is
destined to fail.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Good together, do for ce Allen.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Lod I'd love to know what you think, so hit
me on the texts nine two nine. Who is the
text number? And obviously if they do text standard text
fees apply. On another subject, the Act Party has announced
a whole bunch of new policies regarding pharmacies. They say
if they are elected, they will let pharmacists treat more conditions,
including sty osteoarthritis and period and act will also ease
the restrictions on opening new pharmacies and legalize twenty four

(03:04):
hour lockers for prescriptions. Lanny Wong is the director of
MUNG of five Pharmacy and with US High Lanny oh
hi hetter, I thought the lockers were already happening.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
Yeah, I think it's in the pipeline. It's been trial
a couple of times, but I think we're still waiting
for the legislation to change. I'm not sure where we're at,
but it sounds like it's heading in the right direction.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Okay, I looked at the list of things that you're
going to be allowed to treat, but is there anything
on that list that you can't currently treat?

Speaker 5 (03:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (03:32):
We Yeah, there are some things. I think the ordering
blood test that was that was you. So there's a
few things you know that will probably require some upskilling
and things like that, education and upskilling, But a lot
of things, you're right, we are already doing.

Speaker 6 (03:45):
So.

Speaker 7 (03:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
I guess permission isn't the bottleneck. I guess is actually
the workforce and the funding. I guess if the government
wants us to do that, there will be Okay.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
So one of the things is apparently you're now going
to be allowed to treat and assess vaginal thrush, which
you already can right, so why is it on the list?

Speaker 4 (04:05):
Yeah, I think, I think what they're talking about there
is funding. So if the government's fund this type of services,
that means it will become more accessible for people that
readly the need. And so at the moment, if you
want to come and see your pharmacists to get a
vaginal trust treatment, you have to purchase the product, and
not everyone can afford to purchase the product, if that
makes sense.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yeah, so what you go in for your thrush cream
and now you're getting it for free or five bucks
instead of having to pay for Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
So yeah, at the moment, if you remember in Dune,
they rolled out a few other services that we can do.
So that's called extended fancy services. So people with commune
services cut and access some medicine, potet, flight dollars and yeah,
and that's that's a lot more affordable than you know,
buying product over the counter. So yeah, that does improve
improve access.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah, I shouldn't I shouldn't make it sound like I'm
not all about this.

Speaker 8 (04:51):
I love this.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
Do you guys have because the more that you can
do the better, right, do you do you guys have
a skilled like a workforce that is skilled up to
be able to do this.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
Yeah, I think the skill sets are there, but the
workforce is probably the questionable part. So yeah, like pharmacy,
like every other health sector, are struggling with workforce. So
that's something that you know requires a few, you know,
a few a few, you know, a few more interventions,
if that makes sense. So yeah, and I think you know,
policy that announced today, you know, it sounds good, but

(05:24):
there are a few sort of fish hooks in there,
if you like, that may not resolve some of our problems.
So I think one of the ones that they actually
introduced is to to deregulate pharmacy, to remove the five
ownership rule. So that's to you know, I think it
made it sound like it's inviting competition, but really that
will invite to the corporate consolidation. So until there's only
a handful owners left, or until the monopoly is achieved,

(05:47):
which is sort of what happens overseas, you know, like
in the UK, but it's got caught of the pharmacy
in the U S cvs and Walgreens that dominate the market,
So so that really opens the door for that type
of consolidation. So I'm not sure how that's going to result.
I'll workforce issue because that is the bottleneck. So to
achieve what you know this policy wants to achieve is
that we need our workforce to deliver it. But you're

(06:09):
not sure how how all the policy stacks up. But
you know, it's always interesting to see what the party
have got on it up.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
How do you get paid though for doing the blood tests?

Speaker 9 (06:20):
Right?

Speaker 3 (06:20):
So if I go to the GP obviously and ask
for a blood test, that whole consultation, there is an
exchange of cash there for that. But if I just
wander into a pharmacy and go, yo, I think I
need a blood test, how do you get money for
that because you're doing work?

Speaker 4 (06:33):
Yeah, I would say they would probably have to pay
us pay pay for the time for the consultation. So
you would, oh, the health insent that will be the
people that will fund for the services.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
But isn't that don't we run the risk of people
wasting your time? Like what if I go in and naga, oh,
definitely very sick, need a blood test, And I'm just
one of those people who, you know, I don't know
hypochondria going around all the pharmacies.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
Yeah, that's why you know that, you know, the NeSy
sit down conversation, that consultation. So this is the This
is the tricky bit, is that you know, how much
is the farncer's time worth, Like you know, we will
always be happy to sit down and have a chat
about your condition, but whether they can access a funded service,
that's that's a different story. So it's a very complex issue.

(07:18):
So it's something that the sector will have to work accordingly.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Cool Man. Look forward to seeing all the detail, but
love the idea, Lanni, thanks very much. Lanny Wong munga
PHI Pharmacy director. I'm sorry to say no one saw
the SpaceX rocket slam into the moon. After all of that,
we were waiting for it, everybody was watching. No one
saw it that they're sure it did happen though. This
is the scientists. Because there is a telescope in Chili
called the very Big Telescope or very Strong Talent. It's

(07:43):
got a ridiculous name like very strong telescope, very big talent,
something stupid. Anyway, the telescope spotted what they think is
the debris plume which has come out as a result
of the crash landing. It was a stream of sodium
and lithium which stretched for tens of k's into space
for at least five to ten minutes following the impact.
If you know your Moon, and you've got some people do,

(08:05):
and you got yourself a very strong telescope, you have
to look towards. They think it crashed in a dusty
barren patch near the Einstein Crater on the moon's sunlit
western limb, near the edge of the near and far sides.
If you know what I'm I have no idea what
this means. So if you know what this means, you're welcome.
Quarter past four.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
It's the Heather dupers Allen Drive Full Show podcast on
iHeartRadio powered by News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
Heather, I think a referendum on MMP again is great
for voters. Why because if you changed your mind since
twenty eleven and since nineteen ninety three, have things changed
so dramatically in the last fifteen years that you've decided no,
that's it. Go back to FPPA eighteen past four, your sport.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
With generate celebrating great performances in sport and ki we
sab acgains.

Speaker 8 (08:54):
So that'd be interested For a while there, I thought
Referrad to ONMA, I thought, wow, what are they off?

Speaker 10 (08:59):
No politics?

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Sorry about that?

Speaker 8 (09:01):
Maybe we could make memp instead. Wouldn't that be funny?

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Darcy water over. When I was on holiday, I read
Bill Francis's book Ohn Sciences Radio. Oh Bill, Bill, if
you don't know who we're talking about. Bill Francis was
like the legendary boss of z B.

Speaker 8 (09:19):
He turned z B into what z B is, and
he got Paul Holmes going, and he gave me my
first job.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
And he was so lovely about you. He raised you
as one of the talents when you were like thirty
two years old, and he was saying such lovely things
about you.

Speaker 8 (09:34):
Yeah, a little rough around the edges I think was
one of the terms he used.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yeah, he did. He basically did say that, and he
said you were going to mature into the job. He
obviously didn't know you had ADHD back then.

Speaker 8 (09:44):
Neither did I, and I still talk with Bill Francis
and Peter Everett. My first two bosses. I bring them
once a year just to catch up and say hello.
I think it's really important to keep in communication with
people that you really enjoyed, that you really like, but
you don't work with or see anymore. There's no reason
why you can't just make a phone call it'spend fifteen
minutes and just reconnect with the good people in your life.

(10:06):
I do it every week, two three times a week.
I can't help myself.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yeah, A good thing to do, because he was influential
for you obviously, Okay, Das, listen to All Blacks team,
What do you reckon?

Speaker 8 (10:18):
It's as written on the packet. I think you'll find
they really was never going to name a whole lot
of first choice all Blacks. He was going to run
through He's got forty four minute at squat, So who
wants to give everyone a bit of a dance? That's
first up. It's on Friday night. There'd be some guys
there going I'm gonna wave at you, Dave, because if
I do a good job here, there's a chance, maybe

(10:39):
there's a chance I might sneak into a test side,
or maybe there's a chance you might consider me fairly
for the world.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Explain to me what's going wrong with body? That body
isn't the first choice.

Speaker 8 (10:50):
Oh, he's just no. I can't say he's yesterday's man
because he's not. He's still a very good player, but
he's the past. He's not the future. And they've got
a look at the future because they carry on running
with the same guy over and over and over again.
He's tending to run and go. Where's the backup? Oh,
that's right. They all went to Paris, which is what
had we got? Richie Mwonga on his way back would

(11:12):
like to think, and we've got I just lost my
name there as well. Josh Jacob, the new guy is
coming up to have a bit of a crack. And
Ruben Love of course, is steered the troops very very well.
He's got a very important role. Bode in Baron. Don't
know if it's going to be around for the World Cup.
But a senior statesman and man understands the game, the

(11:34):
pace of the game, and understands what it means to
be an all Black hugely important for the side. And
he did have a bit of a sideway's elbow at
the previous coaching staff when he talked about how Dave
wants to play this fast running, attacking game. He goes,
that's what the All Blacks used to play, Like, yeah,

(11:55):
it should be fun. We're so looking forward to this
and tonight in the programme Jonder Villiers he's a former
Springbok skipper. Wasn't he is the blonde one look at
the little smile and I don't know. It's not pretty
to me.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
He's got what's the time zone for? Like, isn't that
going to be a bit craddy for watching these games?

Speaker 8 (12:15):
Never craddy to get up and watch rugby in South Africa?
How dare you? I think it's about five in the morning,
have a game. It's Saturday morning, it's Friday night game.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Jonvilliers, he's nice.

Speaker 8 (12:29):
Yeah, if I try that on here, I'm canceled and
I'm removed.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
He is so hot. I get him. I give him
a solid nine and a half, solid.

Speaker 10 (12:39):
Nine and a half.

Speaker 8 (12:41):
Well, well, whoa when is he on again tonight?

Speaker 3 (12:44):
Just sending him from me, I will Darcy water Grave
Sports Stool Coast, Oh my heart. Tune again, ladies. Tune
in for twenty two.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
On your smart speaker, on the app, and it's in
your car on your drive home. It's Heather duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand hand the power of satellite
Mobile news Talks n B.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Heather, I think you got this one wrong. Winston picking
the Prime minister. People are over it. That's from Mike Heather.
Vote between STV and MMP, No to FPP. That's from
Greg Heather. Why doesn't have to be a choice between
MMP and FDP FPP? What about STV? That's from Mas Heather. Yes,
let's have a referendum on MMP and change to STV.
That's from Ken And I cannot tell you the number

(13:29):
of text saying we should go to STV. Let me
tell you about STV. Okay, you think MMP is bad,
you wait till you meet STV. STV is what's going
on in Wellington. Wellington runs STV for the mayoralty. That
is how we got Celia Wade Brown in Wellington. That
is how we got Andy Foster in Wellington. It's also

(13:49):
how we got old mate Tory in Wellington. Because what
happens is that people go, this is my favorite person,
this is my favorite person, and then they just pack
a numpty for number two. There's got that she looks Okay, hey,
luck that gate, It'll be fine. But then everybody picks
number two, everybody picks u stinc number two, and then
you're stuck with number two getting the most number of votes.
And now number two is number one, and you've got

(14:09):
Celia way Brown or you've got Tory Farno. You do
not trust me, You do not want STV. Of all
of the things in the world, that is the worst system.
I'd go back to FPP before I went to STV.
That is how much I hate that system. So don't
come at me with that nonsense. Please Lord above giving
me conniptions. Anyway, I am very much in the minority.

(14:30):
By the way, according to the text of my opinion
on the MMP, I think this is an absolute loser.
But we'll see what Barrys Sope has got to say. Well,
it's got a couple of politicos in the huddle, Jordan
Williams and Mike Monro and get their take on it
later on. One of the things, as I said at the
start of the program, one of the things we should
be talking about, not talking about a blinking MMP referendum
that is not going to happen. What we should be

(14:51):
talking about is Erica Stanford today, Education Minister announcing the
subjects that would be available for years twelve and thirteen
from about three or four years from now, next Gen manufacturing,
Applied intelligence systems, construction and built environment, energy and infrastructure,
engineering technology, food and fiber systems, health services and care, hospitality,
food and beverage, and tourism. Now that's that's a I

(15:14):
would imagine that that's a reasonable list. It seems reasonably comprehensive.
This is cool stuff for the kids of These are
the areas they want to get into. We're going to
have a chat to Philip Baldridge, whose Energy and Infrastructure
Industry Skills Board Chief executive. Hell wear Us after five
o'clock give us has taken whether he likes what she's
come out with today, News is Next, News Talks a
b You and your nice.

Speaker 10 (15:34):
Line, You and your nice.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Cutting through the noise to get the facts. It's Heather
dupic Ellen drive with one New Zealand and the power
of satellite Mobile US talks at b Ama.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Dear came back, quenen Mada Rasa standing there in the
light of the room.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
Whether that's how we got Aaron Howkins and Dunedin. Stay
away from that system. Love the show that's STV again.
Have you seen Aaron Hawkins. Go have a look at
Aaron Hawkins. Just google Aaron Hawkins Green. I mean that
I was gonna say that's got nothing to do. I
think it's got everything to do with Aaron Hawkins, the
fact that he's green. But anyway, this's the Greens they
come through on these TV It's weird anyway. Listen, this
is just being reported at the moment. Stuff has failed

(16:25):
in its bid to buy the radio company media Works.
If you're following your media news, you'll know Media Works
has been in a bit of strife and up for
sale for a fair bit. Now turns out Stuff was
trying to buy it. The shortlist now to buy media Works.
They've been told this week that they've failed in their bid.
The shortlist is now down to two. Two are Nova Entertainment,
which is owned by Lachlan Murdoch as an Rupert Murdoch's son,

(16:48):
and then Sports Entertainment Group, which owns the sports radio
business SEN So either of them may well finally end
up owning Media Works and be interested to see what
the Murdocks if the Murdocks make it back at if
they're back into New Zealand because they've been here previously.
Right they owned the dominion that owned the Evening Post
and then got rid of it a couple of decades ago.
But if they come back in because they have a
right wing bean, it'll be interesting to see what happens.

(17:10):
Twenty three away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
It's the World wires on News Dogs'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
The UK's new Foreign Secretary, Ed Miliband has met with
his US counterpartner Marco Rubio. He says they mostly talked
about Iran.

Speaker 11 (17:22):
My job as Foreign Secretary most immediately is to work
with our closest to all out of the United States
on getting a ceasefire and a lasting ceasefire in relation
to Theiron War. I am hopeful that this may happen,
but we are not there yet.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
They hate him, so he'll have no impact. Pauline Hanson
has declared war on nail salons of all things. The
One Nation leader says, your cap visa is at one
hundred and thirty thousand per year, down from about five
hundred and fifty thousand a year at prison.

Speaker 12 (17:50):
Why bring into people that don't fit the needs that
we want in Australia. We don't need any more uber
drivers in our technicians, dog walkers, these people gone.

Speaker 13 (18:04):
And finally she's testing her plane for our flight that
has never been made.

Speaker 9 (18:09):
Amelia air Heart around the world, a long way around.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
They're going to start looking for Amelia Hair Earhart again soon.
Purdue University researchers are traveling to an uninhabited island in
Caribas to investigate a strange object that was spotted in
satellite photos in twenty twenty. The object is thought by
some aviation enthusiasts to be the Lockheed Electra that Amelia
Earhart was flying when she disappeared in nineteen thirty seven.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business Murray.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
Old Dozzy Correspondence with US.

Speaker 7 (18:40):
Hey mars, have a very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
All right, So what's up with noil technicians?

Speaker 7 (18:46):
Well, I don't know. See I don't have my nails
done that often. In fact, let me think never, I've
never had my nails done, So I'm bugging if I
know what's wrong with nail technicians. But we do need
different sorts of nail technicians and these are up ands
and builders and people with a set of skills that
the country can use. And that's what Pauline Hansen is
exploiting here, divisions within labor. Tony Burke, he's nickname these

(19:10):
days is Tony Burker, thank you very much. He's the
labor left wing labor minister in charge of Home Affairs,
and he was due to stand up today with the
major speech on immigration, basically to try and limit numbers.
And now he has canceled what he canceled yesterday. He
canceled the press Club appearance. Most unusual. You give politicians

(19:34):
a microphone and some television cameras, you have to, but
he pulled them off the stage. So Burke has he
been buzzled. That's what Hanson says. He's frightened of the Unions,
he's frightened of lefties in his own party, and he's
scared of the Greens as well. So Hanson's out there
banging this drums. She might not have very many policies,
but this one is absolutely a weapon for her. There
are so many people out there who were stuck in

(19:56):
traffic jams this afternoon, Heather, who can't get an apartment,
They can't find a place to rent, and they're saying,
bugger this, we've got too many migrants coming here, particularly
when she says no nail technicians, bloody huber drivers at
dog walkers. We don't need those sorts of people. And
a lot of people are buying that, of course they are,
because this is a hot button issue over here. And

(20:17):
Pauline Hanson is banging that drum heather as hard as
she can listen.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Where are we at with that toxic fire at the port?

Speaker 7 (20:23):
Yeah, I knew you were going to ask about this,
so I just was on the phone to Adelaide now
without overegging the port here, what you've got is Adelaide's geography.
You've got Port Adelaide is out on the coast, obviously,
it is the port, and that's where there's major sulfur
fire is burning. Is a big, big warehouse full of
sulfur caught fire this morning. Now it's to the north

(20:46):
of the airport. So the airport Adelaide Airport, International domestic
airport directly to the south wouldn't be five kilometers in
this fire. And Adelaide city itself, the CBD is about
six or seven kilometers to the south east and which
way is the wind blowing south to southeast. So they've
got this exclusion zone about one and a half killing me.

(21:06):
This was the last thing I heard. One and a
half k's around this fire. Anyone living there, working there,
get out as quick as you can. That was the
order a few hours ago. And this one is a
pretty serious situation. How serious we're not sure yet. But
as I say, the smoke and you know, whatever toxic
stuff was burning him, there is drifting south southeast. That's
where the city is.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
Hey, sir Mark Parson doesn't like his job, does he?

Speaker 7 (21:30):
No, he doesn't. And to be fair, if this is
the same Mark Parton, he was a journo one hundred
years ago over here and his nickname, of course was Dolly.
And I had a look at his photograph I lost
track of him, and it looks like the same guy.
And it was the same guy. He's a bit of
a hard case. It was the same guy. He used
to work in newsrooms with me all those years ago,

(21:52):
and he doesn't like his job. But here's the thing.
He sent a text message while he was in the house.
He's an act parliamentarian and he said in the text message,
f dot dot dot my job is boring. Now, who
hasn't please hand On Hart, Is there anyone listening to
your program this afternoon who hasn't sent a text message

(22:15):
that if it was made public, you'd be hideously embarrassed. Yeah,
I know I might have sent one or two. I
don't think you probably have. I guess the Pope hasn't.
But be very few people who haven't. We haven't said
a text message they thought, gee, wish I hope that
doesn't hope that doesn't get out. And that's what's happened here.
It looks like anyway he's not going to be investigated.
He says, there's someone down there called the standards commissioner,

(22:39):
whatever the hell that is. They're talking about being over
governed over here. Well, I think we can do without
a few standards commissioners. But but I think maybe Pauline
Hanson's on the money with them.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Do Hey, why was his nickname Dolly?

Speaker 7 (22:50):
I can't imagine Mark Parton?

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Hello, No, I no, it's like that.

Speaker 7 (23:00):
Mars.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
My brain's still on holiday, mate Murray Old's Australia correspondent.
I went to some dark places before we got to
Dolly Parton eighteen Away.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
From five Heller duper see Allen.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
So anyway, I don't know if you heard Chris Lackson
on with Kerry this morning. It was actually quite I
quite enjoyed it, and I thought when I was listening
to it, I thought, he say, yeah, got, he's got it,
hasn't he like? It's there? There's a taste of like
his charisma. He comes out, makes a joke about flying
in on a chopper and ab sailing down the building,
and it's kind of funny. And then I don't know,

(23:35):
just he can't quite he can't quite just be the
best version of himself, and this job canny. What was
really cute, though, was the number of callers who were
calling in to try to help him do his job.
Albert started it. Albert called him because he thinks the
interest beyond Labour's debt needs some more attention.

Speaker 14 (23:51):
Before you came in, I believe that Labor thought that
the dream was a plan like putting up the cycleways
for Harbor Bridge. So many consultants, Yeah, so much money wasted.
I would like to see what that interest bill could
have paid for. And he made more public Yeah, look
I don't see that mentioned.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
So then he starts telling Chris what to do. They
get talking about and he tells Chris what to do.

Speaker 15 (24:16):
It's nine billion dollars worth of interest. I could build
four brand new dened in hospitals every single year if
I wasn't paying the interest that was run up by
the previous government and we have maxed out.

Speaker 14 (24:26):
So that's why I want you to concentrate more that
could have paid for.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Okay, so Chris has written down things to do. Glenn'says,
concentrate on the interest bill more well. But then Glenn
from the South Island calls and he called Chris with
a tip for how to explain national's big spending in
every budget.

Speaker 5 (24:43):
I heard you speak get Terriss and I really enjoyed it.
Couldn't get a chance to talk to you. I talked
to Myles and he explained to me about not doing austerity.

Speaker 9 (24:50):
Not doing a black budget.

Speaker 5 (24:52):
He's the only person who's explained that to me, and
that means if I haven't heard it, I hear everything
so the rest of the count So that's quite a stratege.
You probably haven't really explained.

Speaker 10 (25:02):
Jealous yep Okay.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
Actually, Glenn from the South Island had one more tip,
which I think is worth exploring. We're going to deal
with that before five o'clock. Barry Soaper is next sixteen
away from five.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
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Speaker 3 (25:15):
But Winston Peter's on the referendum call with us after five.
It's thirteen away from five Barry Soapers with us right now,
haw Barry, Good afternoon. So this was what Luckson said
to Kerry.

Speaker 15 (25:24):
Well, I think we should have definitely a referendum on
the four year term, and I'm open for saying WHI
should we tender back up to New Zealand and Sale
still support for him?

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Would you do that if you were Prime minister next year?

Speaker 9 (25:33):
Yeah, I think I would.

Speaker 10 (25:35):
Thoughts, well, you.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Know the scale of one to ten on how random this is?

Speaker 16 (25:41):
Well, I thought it was totally random at the start,
but now listening to it again, you'd have to say,
hang on, he's been thinking about this for a while.
It's a pretty he didn't tell us colleagues, because it's
quite important if you're going to have another referendum on MMP.
I mean we had one in two thousand and eleven,
and of course the original one was in nineteen ninety three,

(26:04):
which brought an MMP and that was a bit of
a fluke, you'd have to say, because it was came
about because David Longe mentioned in an election interview that
he would favor a change in the electoral system. Jim
Bolger said, oh, we'll follow that up, and then he
had to make good his word and he did it.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
So we have a national history of just randomly talks.

Speaker 16 (26:29):
That way, and it's very important, of course, a referenda
on these things. I mean, we've got MMP now in place,
we've got to get used to it. And like I've
said on this program on many of the many occasions
that I think really what we're seeing this year more
than any other election is MMP the reality of it,

(26:51):
and that is the two major parties really polling not
high at all. You've got, you know, thirty thirty five
percent for the major parties. Now you know they'll probably
even drop back from that and subsequent elections, not this
one necessarily, but that's what MMP is all about. Winston pieces,
I know you're having him on. He said, shutting down

(27:14):
and taking away true democratic representation from the people of
New Zealand should be seen for what it is. A
power grab and in the ignorance for what it means
to be a democracy. Now, Winston's obviously the beneficiary of MMP,
and he was in nineteen ninety six after it came
in with seventeen seats in Parliament, the most he's ever had.

(27:38):
So look, he fully understands MMP, certainly he wants to stay.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Do you think that it was something that Chris Luckson
has considered for a long time because I actually thought
what is most likely to have happened here is Chris
does a thing right when he's talking to you, he's
really affirming of the It makes the person he's talking
to feel great by affirming their position. Yes, I feel
like he did that with Kerry. Kerry loved the it
too well, it was more.

Speaker 10 (28:02):
The four year term.

Speaker 16 (28:03):
I understand totally that that has been discussed, that's been
out there, and maybe it was just a tack on
the end for a referendum on it. But I think, look,
the people have had their say, we've got MMP, like
it or lump it. We voted for it.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
Hey, what happened in Parliament today?

Speaker 16 (28:21):
Oh well, I guess a new level of debate and
of course involved right at the heart of it was
Shane Jones, again, the Resources Minister. He's known for his
aggressive pro mining catchphrases like dig Baby dig and drill
Baby Drill, and that reflects his push to boost local

(28:44):
mining today, though the level of debate in Parliament was
pretty basic when mine, Baby Mine, Jones was being asked
about mining in New Zealand and in his usual inimitable style, here.

Speaker 10 (28:58):
To go at the critics.

Speaker 17 (28:59):
One of the ex that we agreed to undertake as
a government as a part of our mineral strategy. I
don't want to hear any more from the ars end
of the vacuum cleaner over there.

Speaker 18 (29:11):
Order the Honorable care Bacadulta, I ask you to reflect
on whether it is appropriate for ministers to refer to
other members as the ars end of a vacuum cleaner,
and indeed, if it isn't, whether you will take action
on that.

Speaker 19 (29:21):
I'll certainly look at the hand solde the helm sit down.
I no, no, I'm not going to say I'm talking
at the moment, but I will look at that and
see what is recorded in the handsete A new point.

Speaker 20 (29:33):
It's a new point of the aft end of the
vacuum cleaner. Is a responsible comment.

Speaker 19 (29:39):
I suppose it is if you're going door to door
and hoping people all bite off you. But that's not
the situation we're in here.

Speaker 16 (29:46):
Well, it's the level of debate in Parliament at the moment.
And of course if Jerry Browney does go back to Hansars,
he'll hear exactly what change Joan said.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
Is Jerry not concentrating?

Speaker 16 (29:57):
Well?

Speaker 3 (29:57):
Is he thinking about other things?

Speaker 10 (29:59):
There are many factors.

Speaker 16 (30:00):
I guess when you are the Chair of Parliament, a
lot of noise around you. Jury is always complaining about
the noise. And you remember when Trevor Mallard was the
Speaker he got hearing aids because he said it was
so difficult to differentiate who was speaking when they were
speaking what they were saying aids?

Speaker 8 (30:21):
Is it because of because of parliament?

Speaker 3 (30:23):
What's it going to take for you to get hearing AIDS?

Speaker 10 (30:26):
I beg your pardon? What did you?

Speaker 3 (30:28):
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Speaker 2 (30:45):
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Speaker 21 (30:48):
It's the Mike Hosking Breakfast on McDonald's EMA's head of
Advocacy and Strategy. I'm seeing more job adds up. I'm
seeing the participation rate up. We've got to be close
to with tipping point where the jobs actually soak up
the demand.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (31:00):
I think there were a couple of other little encouraging
indicators in there too. The number of new jobs created
was thirteen thousand, and we saw a slight different those
eighteen to twenty four year olds not an employment or education,
So that's positive. And I also think that hopefully now
we've reached the peak. These numbers are always a lag indicator.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
We know that.

Speaker 6 (31:17):
Underlying there's some good stuff going on, so hopefully this
is the peak and we can start turning the.

Speaker 21 (31:22):
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Breakfast with Defender Trophy Newstalk ZB Heather.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
Did, when you really say that getting rid of MMP
is a power grab, that's really the pot calling the
kettle get Yeah, it is is exactly what he said. Anyway,
He's going to be with us straight after the news,
which is coming up. Back to Glenn from the South Island,
who called him when the Prime minister was on Kes'
show because, as I told you earlier, everybody was calling
him with tips for how Chris could do his job better.
The second point that Glenn from the South Island made,

(31:49):
actually I think he's onto something. He said, National is
just too negative thanks to.

Speaker 5 (31:55):
Me at the moment, we're not labor and we're not
needy on first, but it's not really very positive about
what you actually are.

Speaker 14 (32:02):
We know about populous racism and a reophobi area. You
know that's not actually either. And he's on threst.

Speaker 5 (32:08):
So I really want to just lean into what you
are and.

Speaker 9 (32:10):
Not be scared of it because it's the most of us,
like us R.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
He's onto something there a like New Zealand First is
leaning into that anti immigration thing. Actors really leaning well.
I mean they could lean a little bit harder into
the cost cutting because they were quite leaning into that beforehand.
Now they seemed to have pumped the brakes on that
a wee bit. But Nationals not leaning into anything very much,
is it anyway? Apart from Erica Stanford's awesome announcements all

(32:35):
the time. We'll just see how they go with that.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Now.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
But can I just say how nice of people to
call in help Chris do his job. I thought that
was just so lovely. I think he probably really appreciated that.
Probably didn't get enough of that. Key wee bus drivers
heading to Australia apparently are getting over there. They're being
lured over there, finding out it's not an awesome job
when they get there. I was we're going to talk
about this in about twenty minutes time. I was really
surprised at what's going on with their contra. One guy

(33:01):
who's quit is taking the company to court because they
withheld about five thousand Australian dollars in his last paycheck
kit paycheck. Because the contracts there require if they quit
within six months they have to pay the company ten
thousand bucks. If they quit within a year, they have
to pay the company five thousand bucks. And they're not
allowed to have any secondary employment without written permission, which
is a very draconian, isn't it. Anyway, We chat about

(33:23):
that in about twenty minutes time. Winston Peters, as I
said on the referendum straight after the News News Talk, said.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
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the questions, get the answers, find the fat sack.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
And give the analysis here.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
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Speaker 3 (33:57):
Said, be good afternoon. Unfortunately the prime ministers not so
good week as really not much better today. He's overshadowed
all the other announcements by promising a referendum on MMP
while he was talking to Kerry Wooden this morning.

Speaker 15 (34:09):
Well, I think we should have a definitely a referend
him on the four year term and I'm open for
the saying which we center back up to New Zealand
and sale still support for him. Would you do that
if you're a prime minister next year, Yeah, I think
I would.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
It seems to have come completely out of the blue.
Seems to be news to other National MPs and also
news to his coalition partners, one of whom, of course,
is New Zealand First leader Winston Pete's high Winston, Hello,
A bit of a shock to me, bit of a
shock to you.

Speaker 20 (34:32):
Well, it's inexplicable why the prime ministers would say that,
given that you know, we've had MMP since nine ninety
three as a choice, and the public reinforced that in
twenty eleven. The two old parties. I know never liked
the system being changed, but at the time of running
rough shot over at the economy, I know the people's

(34:53):
social license and that's why we had a dramatic change
in our country. And there's no going back.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
I mean, this is a bit of a non since,
isn't it. There's no way that that that we're going
back to Like if this was put to us, which
I don't think even will happen. We're not going to
go back to FPP, are we?

Speaker 20 (35:09):
No, we're not. But the point is, what did the
Prime Minister of all people say it this close to
an election for goodness sake?

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Well, you work with him, Why do you think he
Why do you think he said it?

Speaker 20 (35:20):
Well, I can't explain everybody's motivations, but I kind of
think that the poles aren't looking good for the Prime minister,
and there's this sense of desperation. That's the reality of
it all, and you and your listeners can read that.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
So do you think this is is this desperation or
is this just him riffing and he's got he's got
history of riffing and sort of saying silly things. Is
that what this is?

Speaker 2 (35:42):
No?

Speaker 10 (35:42):
I think that.

Speaker 20 (35:43):
You know, I watched people's body language, and I watched
my opponents, and I watched my allies and my colleagues.
I watched their body language. And there's a huge stress
on at the moment because we know of the energy
crisis of god, the factors we but delayed recovery. There's
a recovery on, but it's delayed, and all those things
are stressing out. And you know, some of these people
haven't been around long enough to understand what stress looks

(36:05):
like in this game.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
When he refers to working with some Yahoo and numpty
in cabinet, what is he referring to, Well.

Speaker 20 (36:14):
He claimed not to be referring to any current cabinet members.
Are you You've riddle me that?

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Okay? Now, the stress that he's under at the moment,
is this a national party stress or is this a
Chris Luxon personally in the role of national party leader stress?

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Both?

Speaker 3 (36:32):
What's going on with him as leader?

Speaker 9 (36:35):
Yes, what's going on?

Speaker 20 (36:37):
Well, let's well, let's not carry ourselves. And if you're
looking at those poles at the moment, and you have
to have a plan to turn this thing around, and
they don't appear to from the national point of view.
I can see and understand why this prenetic behavior and
inexpectable statements like this happen.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Kay, what's going on between you guys though? Like the
fact that you are well, we're getting on, but we're
getting on.

Speaker 20 (37:01):
Look, look content. The key thing in this business is
that people are determined and been between elections that we
have a government and that's the number one obligation of
all the codes and partners and make sure we've got
to sound government all the way to election, before and
after it. Now, that doesn't all the thing, there's nothing

(37:23):
like collapsing down between them, each of us. It's all working.
People want consistency. They want to to know that their
democracy is working. Even though they didn't vote for us,
the party or the government, they still want there to
be consistency of between elections and we're delivering that. So
it's not a concern, okay.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
But the thing is the fact that you, I mean
you've been around a really long time, Winstone, longer than
anybody else there, and so you know better than anybody else.

Speaker 20 (37:51):
Everybody wants to live a long age in these.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Theys demonstrating respect, demonstrating respect, But when I mean your
your longevity. The fact that you have been there for
a long time means that you, better than anybody else,
know that if you start commenting link you just have
on his leadership. It ratchets up the pressure. Are you
doing that deliberately?

Speaker 10 (38:09):
No?

Speaker 20 (38:10):
I've been asked by the media what do I think
of this comment? And as it comes out of left
field with no authority from the Coaligton government at all,
I'm asking myself why did he sad? And it's the
mainstream media and you ask me why I've got a view?
And I've got a view because at the time I
saw the disastrous near level experiment under Roger and Ice
then with theonomics, and the people said we've had enough.

(38:30):
That's how we end up with their.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
MP Yeah totally. But yeah, but you didn't have to
say it's about his personal desperation, which you did. So
are you deliberately ratcheting up the pressure on him?

Speaker 9 (38:40):
No?

Speaker 20 (38:40):
I'm just making an honest comment based on my judgment,
and I'm not being arrogant here, but I think I'm right.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
Okay, And just finally, if it comes to it in
coalition negotiations post November seven and he goes right, let's
have a referendum on MMP. Your answer is what no? Okay, Winston,
thanks very much, appreciate your time. Winston Peters, New Zealand
First Leader twelve past.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Five, Heather do for ce Ellen.

Speaker 22 (39:02):
So. One of the.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Announcements overshadowed by what the Prime Minister has said was
Erica Stanford's announcement of nine new subjects for years twelve
and thirteen students. The subjects are AI Construction, Energy Engineering,
next Gen Manufacturing, food and fiber, healthcare, hospitality and Tourism.
Philip Balldridge is the CEO of the Energy and Infrastructure
Skills Boarding with us.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Hi Philip Hi, Heather, how are you yam?

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Very well? Thanks mate? You like this list.

Speaker 23 (39:25):
It's fantastic. It's really a fundamental change. Yeah, it's a
fantastic mister from the government.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
What is it that an energy and infrastructure class would
teach kids that a science class wouldn't.

Speaker 23 (39:38):
I think there's three things that across the subjects, and
we'll come back to energy. It's builds awareness, so students
and parents don't know what the crew is out there. Secondly,
it's a lot more practical focus than what's called the
ministrative subjects like biology and physics. And thirdly it's really
around training and apprenticeships of real jobs. So it's about
aligning the skills and the training and it cation to

(40:00):
real jobs and ultimately easy productivity.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
All right, So can kids walk out of a year
thirteen class go straight into a job or would they
need further study.

Speaker 23 (40:10):
It's up to the kids and up to the areas.
But certainly we want they can do that where they
can go onto university. Well then gification or pathway like
an apprenticeship on the job, we'll go to polytech. But certainly,
for example in our sector, the water sexcept for example,
extra and our areas order is expected to have a
forty eight billion dollar investment over the next ten years.

(40:30):
Forty eight billion. We need an extra six thousand people. Now,
if you go into schools and ask kids that, they
wouldn't know that. So we need those skills for our
industries to grow and poster interesting stuff.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
Philip, thanks very much, appreciate it, Philip Aldridge, Energy and
Infrastructure Industry Skills Board CEO.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Ever do labors.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Labors announce the policy today. This is the Small Business
Action Plan. It's going to cost one point five six
billion dollars over four years. Probably the biggest part of this,
and this is to assist business is properly. The biggest
part of this is the pledge to raise the GST
registration threshold, which is currently at sixty thousand dollars, has
been at sixty thousand dollars for a very long time,
and they would raise it to eighty thousand dollars, which

(41:10):
means about thirty five thousand small operators in this country
would no longer need to register for GST. They also
would require large businesses to pay suppliers within fifteen days
for invoices that are twenty five thousand dollars or less,
and then publish their payment times. This has this has
so far actually been met with a reasonable amount of

(41:30):
support from, for example, the accountants, who say that it's
well overdue that the GST threshold is lifted. We'll talk
to Chris Hepkins about this. He'll be with us after
six o'clock. It's coming up quarter past five. Now, you know,
I rave about bid all the time, right, here's a
stat to back that up. Byd was the number three
best selling vehicle brand in New Zealand for the month
of July. Now We're not talking about EV's here. We're

(41:51):
not talking about the third best selling EV brand. We're
talking about all the cars available in the country overall,
third best selling. I was talking to Sarah is the
marketing chief at BYD. The biggest shipment of BYD's ever
sent here lands at Auckland Port this month. It's nearly
three thousand vehicles. Now, what that means for you is
that wait times are dropping. You're not going to have
to wait three months to get your car. You could

(42:13):
be in a new BYD before the end of August,
and you are going to see dealerships popping up somewhere
near you very soon. There are new dealerships opening around
the country, with more coming before year's end, and two
new models are going to launch later this month. So
it's basically a good news story all round. So head
over to BYD Auto dot Co dot MZ for the details.
Ever do for ce Ellen eighteen past five Now, apparently

(42:36):
some Kiwi bus drivers recruited to work in Australia are
regretting the move. Apparently the contracts are onerous, the work
is stressful, and the new South Wales government says nine
out of ten new drivers leave the industry within six months.
Delaney Meyer is the CEO of the Bus and Coach Association.
Hey Delaney, good evening. Hither are you hearing this? I
am hearing this. People come here, isn't it? Yeah?

Speaker 24 (42:57):
Yeah, yeah, Look, the Kiwi drivers are in a attractive
target for recruitment from over in Sydney because you know,
any New Zealand resident can work in Australia. So if
you can recruit a pre train driver, paying a sign
on bonus and some airfares is a pretty cost effective
way to go.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Now, what is going on with the contracts? Do we
run contracts like this? Apparently over there, if you quit
within six months you got to pay ten thousand dollars
back to the company. If you quit within a year,
you have to pay five thousand dollars back.

Speaker 24 (43:29):
Yeah, it does sound a bit tough, doesn't it. And look,
I think it's important that we don't sort of dive
too much into you what's reported to be sitting in
different contracts and different employers will have different things sitting
within contracts. But certainly it's a pretty unfortunate situation and
these drivers have found themselves done.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Do your answer makes me suspicious that we're doing this
in New Zealand too.

Speaker 24 (43:48):
Are we actually Either I couldn't tell you if we
were doing that or not. I haven't looked at the contracts.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
What are the guys who quit over there said it
was really stressful, Like the job was more stressful there
than here. Why would that be?

Speaker 24 (44:01):
Yeah? Yeah, Look, you know if you look at Sydney,
I mean it is a beautiful Liverpool city, but there's
a lot of keywis across multiple industries of finding out.
You know, the sand might be whiter, but the grass
might not be greener. And you know, it's a city
with big city problems and social problems that drivers are
dealing with every day. And as you've noticed, you know,

(44:22):
the New South Wales government figures say that nine out
of ten new drivers are leaving the industry within six months.
So clearly there's some pre significant on the job problems.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
Yeah, Delaney, thank you very much. As good to talk
to you, mate. This Delaney Meyer's Bus and Coach Association CEO.
You heard Tamotha Paul in Parliament today. Have a listened
to this?

Speaker 25 (44:41):
Not one woman shoplesss because it's fun and because they
get a thrill from it. It is because they are desperate,
desperate to feed their families.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Has tamoth and Paul never heard of Goldra's garriment? Yeah,
same party, not long ago, Like they didn't miss each
other by much in parliament. But gold to fall, Tamotha,
just Tamotha, FYI, let me tell you about Goldris Garaman
Green MP. Shoplifted for fun, did not shoplift because she
was desperate and feeding a family. In fact, she's got

(45:16):
no children. Did not feed but to shoplift because she
was poor. She's on about about one hundred and eighty
thousand dollars a year or something like that. So hold
my bear.

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V Heather Tamotha Paula's classic Isn't she classic? Though? But
the conviction which we she delivers that with such conviction,
you'd almost believe her for like one hot second, wouldn't you?
And then of course you'd remember Golly five twenty four. Now, look,
I need to apologize to the rest of the country
for talking about Auckland, but we do have to talk
about Auckland because finally today, and we've waited such a
long bloody time for this. Got a date for the

(46:04):
opening of the CURL, which is the underground train line,
September thirteen. Actually the date really doesn't matter, September sixth
September twenty September thirteen. Who cares. What matters is that
it's opening. It works, it's ready to go. This thing
has been a long time coming. It's taken a decade
to build. It's taken so long, been disrupting Auckland city
commuters and businesses so long. It's actually hard to remember

(46:26):
a time where they weren't digging in the ground in
the middle of the city. I don't know if you
realize this has been actually been talked about for one
hundred years. Back then, in the nineteen twenties, it was
called the Morning Side Deviation. We're supposed to run from
Beach Road near Parnell and then go under the CBD,
go up the hill, have a station at the Auckland
Town Hall and then join the Western Line at Morning
side never happened because, like we always do, we quibbled

(46:49):
about costs, and we worried about spending too much, and
then we delayed building a piece of infrastructure that we
will actually never regret. Ten twenty one hundred years from now,
no one's going to remember this debate about spending too
much and overbuilding the cathedral ceilings of the CRL. People
will simply simply use it every day. It will be normal.
I don't think it's going too far to say that
the CRL is a game changer for our biggest city.

(47:10):
Auckland is besieged by traffic snarl ups. They are so
frequent and so bad that I often choose to just
buy my stuff online rather than drive ten minutes to
a more because I just can't be bothered with the traffic.
This train line will give people the option to move
quickly around the city without having having to sit in
traffic or risk their lives on a bike. It will definitely, definitely,
definitely lead to densification within the city center as developments

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spring up near the train stations. It will definitely save
people time and their commutes as they travel faster and
live closer. It actually feels to me a little bit
like a coming of age for Auckland. Auckland likes to
consider itself a world class city. If you want to
be a world class city, you need some world class infrastructure.
So September thirteen.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Heather do for clen, Do you know what we.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
Haven't done in a really long time?

Speaker 2 (47:56):
This coal wash?

Speaker 3 (47:59):
Oh yeah, we're burning the coal, ladies and gentlemen. Huntley's
fired up. It's about Huntley can do about seven hundred
and fifty megawatts. Were sitting at a at a cool
three hundred and forty five megawatts. It was two fifty
just about an hour ago. So we're firing up those rankins.
Power situation got quite tight this morning. I don't know
if you realize that, because of course last night was
the coldest night of the year, it was particularly tight

(48:21):
on the electricity system, says Transpower. We even fired up
the diesel generators. Those guys are dirty mothers, Like, that's
real nasty stuff coming out of this. So if you
burning the diesel fumes, you're desperate. So we were. We
broke the power use record this morning. It was the
most power ever used, seven hundred or seven four hundred
and fifteen megawatts. The previous record was set on Wednesday,

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so it was only twenty four hours old wholesale power
shot up. This is the price, ninety dollars a megawatt
hour at five am, ninety dollars at five am. At
seven thirty two, three hundred and forty six dollars, that's
when we're all awake and firing up the old heaters
and stuff's two thousand, five hundred percent increases massive A Anyway,

(49:05):
bad news is the warning is still there for tomorrow morning,
so we might still run out of power. So maybe
if you could just do us a solid, don't run
the dryer at seven thirty, save that one up for
ten am if you don't mind, because two thousand and four,
three hundred and forty six dollars says you should. Hey,
Wayne Brown, mayor of Auckland, with us next on the curl.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Here, what matters the fact over the noise, it's Heather
Dup to see Ellen drive with one New Zealand and
the power of satellite mobile news talk z B.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Chris Hopkins, Labor Party leader, on his small business polus
with us a policy after six o'clock and standing by
for the huddle. We have Mike Monroe and Jordan Williams
right now. It's twenty five away from six. Now, as
we just discussed, we finally have a date for the
opening of the rail line under Auckland, the CRL. The
trains will start running on September thirteen. At the announcement
this morning, of course, was the Mayor Wayne Brown. Wayne, Hello,

(50:05):
very well, thank you. What happened with the billboards this morning?

Speaker 10 (50:10):
Well, I don't know, but I thought it was quite fun.

Speaker 26 (50:12):
Actually, I was able to stagn up and say that
long last, we're doing something ahead of schedule.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Well, you mean something ahead of schedule as the guys
getting the announcement up on the billboards hours before they
were supposed to.

Speaker 26 (50:24):
Yeah, that's possibly true. But you take whatever wins you
can get.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Yeah, I suppose that's one way of looking at it. Now,
how would you describe this train system? Is this a
game changer? Do you think for Auckland.

Speaker 10 (50:36):
I think it is the right thing to do.

Speaker 26 (50:37):
I mean I first I first came up with the
idea of that back in nineteen twenty, and then may
Or Robbie, who is more of our parents generation, thought
it was a good idea that he couldn't get the
votes around the table, and so it is a good project.
It was just like a lot of projects, too costly
and too slow. But it's still a good project and
it will be a good thing for Auckland. It's up

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to us as a council to make sure that instead
of having a capacity of nineteen thousand people, pro how,
we actually have customers of nineteen thousand people.

Speaker 10 (51:08):
Pro how. That's what the job is now.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
I keep on hearing you say this. He keeps saying
we've got to use it.

Speaker 9 (51:13):
Now.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
Are you worried that it's not going to have that
much patronage?

Speaker 10 (51:18):
Well, that wouldn't be a good result.

Speaker 26 (51:21):
And to get that a level of petrog we really
are going to have to do some more intensive vacation
along the railway line around tracks. If you fly over
most cities, even in Sydney or or every city in China,
you can see from above where the train tracks going
because there's multi story buildings.

Speaker 10 (51:42):
All along where the railway stops are.

Speaker 26 (51:45):
And here, even after ten years of getting it ready,
we've got people who still think, oh no, we should
have green leafy suburbs there. We need to have lots
of people living at Mount Eden to catch the plain.
We have lots of people living at Kingsland and Metro Train.
We've got to keep people living at all the railway
stations to catch the train. And it's a good thing
because it's cheap and it's better, cheaper and faster. It's
a nice way to come into town and get the

(52:06):
cars off the road and fifty dollars a week for
transport that's cheaper than parking the car.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
Ye're too right, But that's going to happen, don't you think.
I mean that is where the game changer thing comes in,
is that over time people are going to start building
big buildings around those train stations.

Speaker 26 (52:21):
And we've got to do that and that's part of it,
and it really should have been they really should have
been half up now, but we've only just managed to
get the planning permission to do that, and that's taken
a bit of armteresting as well, and so but without
that it will be really good. But it needs to
be full to be excite. And I mean, if you

(52:42):
go to the international cities of Asia and Europe, you'll
find that the trains are full in the morning and
full in the evening and partly for the rest of
the day, but they have to be full at some
stage otherwise they never paid themselves off.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
When are you going to get on it?

Speaker 26 (52:57):
Well, I'm actually luckily enough on one of the bus
US routes and I catch the Outer Link quite regularly
to work and it's full and so we've got it. Well,
I'll tell you when I will get on the train.
Absolutely will be its first big test when when Australia
played the All Blacks at Eden Park and we'll all
go up to k Road, have a beer and get

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on the train.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
You're going to get off at Manga Fowl which is
the Mount Eden station. That's a hike to you.

Speaker 26 (53:24):
No, no, no, no no, you get off for Kingslanders.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
Right newt to Oh yeah, okay, that makes sense.

Speaker 26 (53:30):
They do that now but and the people from West coming,
but everybody will come in that way now and it'll
be cool and so that that'll be the first test
of a big mob. All right.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
What is that? That's October ten or something like that. Wayne,
Thank you as always appreciate talking to you. That's Wayne
Brown Auckland's Meya twenty one away from six The.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
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Speaker 3 (53:55):
With us this evening is Jordan Williams Taxpayer's Union A.
Mike Monroe, former Labor Party Chief of Stuff and director
at Mike Munroe Communications. Hello, lads, Hello you too?

Speaker 23 (54:04):
Can I have it now?

Speaker 3 (54:05):
I want to come back to the CRL, but I
actually want to start with what Chris Luxon has announced today. Jordan,
what are your thoughts?

Speaker 10 (54:12):
An unforced erar.

Speaker 13 (54:14):
I've just been down to Parliament meeting with a couple
of backbenches on a couple of various things, and it's
it's pretty clear that Chris Reluxe is not for the
National Party and not having a good week. You know,
seven days ago it was this road a royal thing
and right now he looks either as dead man walking
or a PM limping. It's not good and it's not

(54:36):
me saying that. It's based on the number of calls
that I'm getting from people wanting to know when the
next Taxpayer Union Caurier poll is out.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
But when you say dead man walking, I immediately think
there's going to be another coup attempt on? Is that
what you're suggesting?

Speaker 13 (54:51):
Well, you had Winston on your show or mister Peter's
on your show earlier, saying that very clearly both the
party and the PM is under street and I suspect
that when you are the PM, having your coalition party
leader twisting the knife like that does not help. And
then in it sounds a hitch of a lot like
Winston's almost angling to go with labor.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
Are you making mischief because I don't hear him sounding
like he wants to go with labor.

Speaker 13 (55:17):
Well, you look at this policy announcement around the dual
mandate for the Reserve Bank, and he hasn't ruled out labor.
He's only ruled out Hipkins has very clearly undermining the leader.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
He has been so unbelievably clear, even on our program
he has ruled out labor.

Speaker 13 (55:34):
Now, I yeah, very right, But why is he very
clearly destabilizing the National Party leadership.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
There to get their vote share?

Speaker 13 (55:44):
Yeah, but if you're wedded to the coalition side, you're
potentially costing your own side getting back into government.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
Do you think?

Speaker 2 (55:54):
So?

Speaker 3 (55:54):
Okay, what do you just tell me? Are you hearing
from within the National Party caucus or people connected to
it that there are.

Speaker 13 (56:00):
Moves that I'm getting calls and messages from National Party
from across the caucus wanting to know when our poll
is out. And that's only ever happened. We're doing the
poll once or twice, and.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
Your polls out tomorrow, isn't it.

Speaker 13 (56:14):
I can't. We've received the poll. It's worth the graphic designer,
and we'll beginning out as.

Speaker 9 (56:20):
Soon as we can.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Okay, what do you make of this, Mike, Well.

Speaker 9 (56:24):
I think the next few poles out are going to
be critical. You know, it looked like sort of Luckxen
had settled things down a bit after the leadership challenge
or quasi challenge of a couple of months ago, and
he had actually sort of got his act together a
wee bit. But then in the last ten days he
has had a horror run and it's just been awful.

(56:45):
I kept seeing these sound bites on television of National
MP's going into caucus saying we need to focus on
the things that matter. Well, look the thing through that
will be mattering to them right now, all the thing
that will be mattering to them is the performance of
one Christopher Luxen. Because you know, one hundred days out
from there election, this is this is becoming close to last.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
Run ninety three huh okay.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Yeah, yeah, Mike.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
Do you think I mean is it too late?

Speaker 9 (57:11):
No, it was not too late. I mean loads of
us with long memories remember Labor changing its leader about
fifty five and maybe sixty days out from the election
in nineteen ninety when Jeffrey Palmer got spooped into sound Well,
now poorly, we'd read poorly, but you know, the thing
is an accepts and these these MPs are seen polling

(57:31):
which shows they're going to lose their seats and nothing
matters more to an MP than the the state of
their seat and the state of their security and their seat. Look,
it can still happen quite easily. And the bad national.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
Shout is he bad enough? Mike at ninety three days?

Speaker 9 (57:49):
Well there's other contenders who could do a bit of job, obviously,
Well there's a group, there's a group there, well, Bishop
Stanford Willis. None of them would do as badly as
lux And when it comes to public performance right now,
none of them.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
That's probably fair. Jordan, Are you really going to quit
if we have a referendum? MUNI quit the Taxpayers Union?
And what are you going to campaign for? FPP or STV.

Speaker 5 (58:11):
Well, it was about fifteen years ago, when I was a.

Speaker 13 (58:15):
Young lawyer that my first sort of entry into public
affairs was as spokesperson for a group Vote for Change.
I think MMP is the primary reason why News New
Zealand has declined over the last thirty years. I think
MMP is terrible. I should be absolutely yahooeing and.

Speaker 5 (58:34):
Think that it's wonderful that we're going to get.

Speaker 13 (58:36):
A referendum next year if chrispher Luxen has returned to government. However,
even I am a bit unsure about the timing.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
Aren't we all all right? Would take a breat comeback shortly?
It's called it to six.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Obviously the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the
only truly global brand.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Right back on the huddle we have Mike Monroe and
Jordan Williams. Mike, do you like this act policy of
allanwelling the pharmacist to give you the blood tests and
do more of your sicknesses?

Speaker 9 (59:03):
Well? Yeah, sound good idea, but god, it raises so
many questions. I mean, it's clear that we're short of
doctors in New Zealand and we need more doctors. To
ease the pressures on the primary health system. But the
question first question I would be asking is who's going
to fund it? Who's going to pay for these people
to come into pharmacies and actually do these various procedures

(59:26):
and testing whatever. There's all sorts of training and safety
issues that come up to here and E and t
stuff Iano's and Strow. I mean, that's a really sensitive
sort of procedure. And who are the people who are
going to come into pharmacies and have the skills and
the training and the capabilities of tearing out those sorts
of functions.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
There's something really basic where you come and you've clearly
got a sinus infection and it's clearly a bacterial thing.
May give you some antibiotics. That would be fine.

Speaker 9 (59:55):
Yeah, I'm sure there are a small range of functions
procedures that they could do. But the list I saw
today in the in the act party promised was rather long.
It was getting into stuff like, you know, sexual reproductive
health and blood tests.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
So I just think reproductive health is just vaginal thrash.

Speaker 9 (01:00:15):
Mic well, is it? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
That's fine, they just give me some cream for that stuff.

Speaker 9 (01:00:22):
I'm just saying that there's going to be people who
are qualified and trained and can cover off all the
sort of safety requirements before they start sort of carrying
out this sort of come on, Mike, answer the pharmacy.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
I just like that we've managed to say that that
that particular phrase about five times on the show already,
which is just it's out there now. It's a record, Jordan.
I mean, Mike struck on the thing though. Right, So
if you go into your doctor and you get a
blood test, you pay your doctor for taking up their
time to do all that that nonsense, which is necessary.
But who's going to pay the pharmacist when you wander
and go I think I need a blood test because

(01:00:54):
I haven't got enough iron.

Speaker 13 (01:00:56):
Well, I don't know, but I suspect it's a heat
of a lot cheaper than trying to find doctors that
don't exist trying to It shocked me when I moved
to Auckland how difficult it was to find a doctor
with that. We're taking rollments in Sinhalia's and I think, gee,
if I can't find a doctor, good luck for the
poor chap in Manuela. It is a real problem. We've

(01:01:19):
gone and where it is going the GP's practice. I've
been very lucky through my life. I've had really good
family GPS, Whereas now you never get the same damn person.
Our clment's been corporate Goneto, one of the big corporates,
and then they push you off to telehealth. I don't
think I'll be getting much less simply going to a
pharmacy and getting getting the bove Te something simple.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
You Jordan, you're going to catch the CRL.

Speaker 13 (01:01:46):
Well, we're in Auckland. Elves is a right in town
and we had a lot of my staff actually catch
ferries over from the North Shore and actually know I
can one or two catch the train, so I guess so.
But since Covid Auckland CBD is just so un attractive,
and I'm actually pro the move on orders because I

(01:02:08):
think that the homelessness and the sort of crime down
the CBD.

Speaker 9 (01:02:13):
Why would you want to go.

Speaker 13 (01:02:14):
I certainly hope it works, but it does really worry
me that we've perhaps built a white elephant.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Yeah, I think Mike, listening to Wayne Brown earlier, he
sounds like he's worried that it is not going to
get the numbers of people on those trains.

Speaker 9 (01:02:26):
A I didn't read that into him. I listen, Kiffy
what Wayne said, and I know you have raised that idea. Look,
sure people will be watching very carefully, but I think
that you know this, this project has been so sort
of eagerly awaited and we're waited for so long that
I think Aukins will support it. And it's all about
getting people off the roads number one, isn't it, And

(01:02:48):
also to cost too, as he points.

Speaker 13 (01:02:49):
Out, out of our you guys, everyone else should take
the train so we can get into the offices.

Speaker 9 (01:02:55):
Look, look, I'm sure people will be watching it very
closely to feel that the numbers are like and I
sort of wish them well. Do you know, you know
there'll be some teething pot them. Something will go wrong
in the first few weeks, but a track will come
loose or whatever. But I think from what I hear
faith in government, I'm saying this is a welling pony,

(01:03:16):
and looking on from afar, we sort of wish them well.
I hope it goes well and when I get up there,
I'll be jumping on boards.

Speaker 6 (01:03:22):
Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
Speaking of Wellington, do you see what happened with Pigeon
Park in the middle of town today?

Speaker 9 (01:03:28):
No, Pigeon Park down the ministreet's there now.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Oh no, the budget for fixing up Pigeon Park was
three three million dollars and it just blew out to
ten and a half. That sounds like Wellington City Council.

Speaker 9 (01:03:41):
Isn't that that comes as no surprise?

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Yeah, none at all, Hey, guys, thinks I just.

Speaker 9 (01:03:46):
Hope they retaining it. It's a great part of our city.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
Yeah, well, you know, maybe for three million not ten
and a half. Guys, appreciated very much, Jordan Williams. Taxpayers,
you and your Mike Monroe, former Labor partychief of stuff. Hey,
when your budget is three million and you blow it
out to ten and a half, what the hell is
wrong with you? Like, you've just blown that three times.
I can understand three million budget blows out to three
and a half. I'll be like, not ideal, guys, not ideal,

(01:04:09):
Like this is the important part. Not ideal that it's
blown out by five hundred million. But when it blows
out by seven and a half million when the original
budget was three million, go give yourself an upper cut.
Wellington City Council. You've lost the plot eight away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
It's the heather too, per se Allen Drive Full Show
podcast on iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk zeb either.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
I think you're correct. Read the trains sadly they won't
be supported case and point to Singapore they run free
trains before seven am because of low support. That's from
Jeff Well. I mean, geez, ho'st doing anything before seven am.
That's bruial, isn't it? So after seven am?

Speaker 7 (01:04:47):
Warrio.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
But the mayor, the mayor da soundm worried.

Speaker 7 (01:04:49):
He has.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
He has repeated a number of times throughout the course
the day, said it a number of times with me
in that interview, said it a number of times during
the course of the day that he's worried that there
won't be enough people to the full patron of will
not be rich. So we'll see how it goes. I
hope it works quickly quickly. Happy birthday to my mum.
It's my mom's birthday today, which is why we went
on holiday, because she decided, she decided she wanted to

(01:05:11):
do something fun for holiday. So it wasn't just it
wasn't just me and the husband and the children. It
was the brother and his wife and the three kids
and the other brother and we all went away on holiday,
went to Fiji and celebrated my mom. How cool is that.
I'll tell you what, if you are kind of of
my age, if you're that middle generation and you haven't
taken your mum away on holiday yet to celebrate her

(01:05:33):
like grandma, you gotta do it because they love it.
They won't say that they love it, but they absolutely
love having all the kids and grandkids around. It is brilliant. Anyway,
Happy birthday to Mom. So the Taxpayer's Union poll, why
you need to keep an eye on this tomorrow is that,
from what I understand, this is the first pole that
is going to capture. It's apparently being done. Some of
the polling has been done throughout the course of this week,

(01:05:53):
which means it's the first pole that captures. What happens
to Opportunities vote after Chris Luxon works rules out working
with them. If there's twenty percent of Opportunities vote, which
is a right wing vote which wants Opportunity the Opportunity
Party to go with National, it is possible that that
twenty percent realizes, oh, they're not going to support He's
not going to work with them, and bleeds away. So

(01:06:15):
we'll see what happens keep an eye for that. Also,
it might catch a bit of the drama of what's
been going on this week, Chris Luckson's comments about small businesses,
the Winston Peters Lawrence ju Nan comments, and then the
undermining of the Prime minister's authority in that because he
can't fire Winston Peters and all that stuff. It won't
capture what's just happened today with the weird MMP referendum stuff,

(01:06:35):
but it will capture the other stuff. So absolutely we'll
keep an eye out for it tomorrow and of course
discuss it tomorrow, won't we. Labor Party leader Chris Hopkins
is with us next. He's I mean, he almost certainly
timed this deliberately. Oh, Chris Luxon makes some comments about
small businesses, not so good outcomes Chris Hopkins with his
small business policy, So we'll have a chat to him next.

(01:06:58):
His News Talks EV week.

Speaker 5 (01:07:01):
If you couldn't tell.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
What's up, what's down? What were the major calls and
how will it affect the economy?

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
The big business questions on the Business Hour with the
head of Duplicy Allen and Mass Insurance and investments, Your
futures in good hands?

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
News Talks that'd be evening.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
Coming up for the next hour. Sam Dickey's with us
after half past six, Jamie McKay on what's in the
latest rabobank report, and we're head to the UK as well.
It is seven past six now. In the last week
that Christopher Luxel's apologized to small businesses, the Labor Party
is now trying to woo them. The Labor leaders release
party policy focused on small businesses. It includes requiring big
companies to pay small supplies within fifteen days for smaller

(01:08:02):
invoices up to twenty five thousand dollars, and also raising
the GST registration threshold from sixty thousand to eighty thousand dollars.
The Labor Party leader is, of course, Chris Hopkins Chippy.

Speaker 10 (01:08:11):
Hello, good a, Heather.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
Before we get to your announcement, can I just talk
to you about the MMP referendum. Yes or no from you?

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
No?

Speaker 27 (01:08:18):
Clear no from us. Voters kept their say on this
just as recently as twenty eleven. They were very clear
it was pretty decisive vote in favor of keeping MMP.
So we should just get on and make that work.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
Listen, we've already had Winston speculating as to why the
PM did it this morning. He reckons it's desperation from
the PM. I reckon the PM just agreed with Kerry
because Kerrey liked it. What's your theory?

Speaker 27 (01:08:37):
Oh, clearly there was no plan here. He clearly just
spat it out. I don't think there was much thought
that went into it. But I think Christopher Luxen's feeling
the pressure because he can't manage a government under MMP
because he seems to have an inability to work in
a team.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
Now, listen on your policy. Okay, so raising the GST
registration threshold from sixty to eighty thousand dollars, I think
a lot of people are going to like. But what
are the businesses that we are talking about here? Is
it just little AIRBM these and you know that kind
of stuff.

Speaker 27 (01:09:04):
It'll be a lot of people who are providing sort
of professional services where the main thing that they're offering
is their time and their expertise. Because if you're a
small business and you're doing a lot of stuff where
you're buying and selling goods, registering for GST is probably
still going to make sense through you because you can
claim back GSD on the stuff you're buying. But if
you're selling your time and your labor. So a personal
trainer is a good example. A personal trainer takes on clients,

(01:09:25):
they get up to sixty grand, they say, I'm not
going to take on anymore because that would mean a
whole lot more paperwork. Well, now they'll be able to
take on another twenty thousand dollars worth of clients without
having to go through all of that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
We're talking about part time work here, right, this is
not full time work.

Speaker 27 (01:09:39):
Well, it depends on the nature of the work. But
you know, personal trainers people many of the people who
are going to benefit from this, people who do the
sort of work that gives them a lifestyle choice that
they wouldn't have if they were in a more regularized employment.
So a personal trainer, someone delivering some consultancy services, those
sorts of people.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
Yeah, the stuff about getting them to pay invoices worth
less than twenty five thousand dollars within a certain period
of time and then publish that results. Where are you
expecting them to publish that information?

Speaker 27 (01:10:09):
Oh, they've said guidelines set out they could publish an
annual report. I think it's a law change that was
and that we actually got in place when we're previously
in government and it was repealed by the current government.
I never quite understood why they did that, because small
businesses shouldn't be a line of credit for big businesses.
Big businesses should be able to pay their invoices on time.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
Why are you cutting the investment boost?

Speaker 27 (01:10:33):
Ultimately, we've went out and spoke to small businesses about
what's going to make the biggest difference for them. Ninety
seven percent of our businesses in New Zealand fall into
that small business category, and they said far more than
investment boosts. The thing that's going to make the difference
is the ability to immediately expense smaller asset purchases. So
at the moment you can only expense a purchase up
to ten up to one thousand dollars. We're increasing that

(01:10:55):
to ten thousand dollars and small businesses are really clear
that actually will make a bigger difference to them than
the investment boost y.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
But why scrap the investment boost because this is I mean,
don't we want people to be putting money in the capital.

Speaker 27 (01:11:08):
It's a lot of money that the government have put
aside for investment boost when businesses have said that it's
not actually making any difference to their investment decisions. More
than half of the businesses told the idea it doesn't
make any difference, but.

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
That's still almost half who are using it.

Speaker 27 (01:11:24):
Well, those businesses that have committed or are about to commit,
will still benefit from investment boost because it's not going
to be removed until the middle of next year till
the thirtieth of June next year. So we're not taking
anything away from those businesses or depending on it based
on the decisions that they're making now. But we're saying
in the longer term, we think that supporting small businesses
and giving small businesses what they're after is the thing

(01:11:45):
that's going to have a bigger difference to New Zealand's economy.
They can't certainly not in the immediate term.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
Why can't we do it? Look, I know it's pricey,
but this is exactly where we should be putting our money,
isn't it, Because because this kind of stuff, this capital investment,
is the kind of stuff that's going to lift our productivity.

Speaker 27 (01:12:01):
Yeah, but there's no evidence to suggest that that's what's happening.
You know, the government said that this was the thing
that's going to save the economy since the unemployment's gone
up in the economy hasn't grown right, No, no, but those.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
Are two in related things. But Chippy, what's the evidence
that it's not working well?

Speaker 27 (01:12:15):
Business is saying that that's not making a decision to
their only difference to the only half of them, well
more than half. Heather and a significant number of others
were pretty skeptical as well. So it's it's not making
the difference that the government thinks that it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
Is all right, Chippy, thank you, I really appreciate Tom.
Thanks for coming on the show. Chris Hopkins, Labor Party leader,
I should say, despite the fact that I'm fixated on
the lack of the investment boosts, the rest of the
policy has actually been quite well received. Listen on another subject,
can I tell you something I'm excited about? And I
been meaning to talk to you about this actually throughout
the course of the program, but ran out of time.
I was in the kitchen this after and I'm not
excited about that, but obviously that's just run of them,

(01:12:53):
all daily stuff. I was in the kitchen this afternoon
and the boss of the producers, Michael, was in the
kitchen with me, and he is telling me. He's very busy, said,
I said, oh you busy about Are you busy getting
ready for the big ZB one hundred year celebration next Friday?
I said, Now, I'm actually busy about the Sunday. So
what's happening the Sunday? He said, it's a podcast. So
what's the podcast? He said, Oh, the podcast will be

(01:13:13):
like give you all the best bits of ZB over
the last one hundred years. They started telling me about it.
The episode that's dropping this Sunday, I reckon is the one.
This is I reckon, I reckon. I'm going to front
it's front loading the interest stuff for me. This is
my number one. This is the one I'm most interested in.
The first episode is going to cover nineteen twenty six
to nineteen eighty seven. Eighty seven is nineteen twenty six

(01:13:35):
is when one ZB starts, and eighty seven is when
it changes obviously to news Talk ZEDB, so it's that
period before it becomes news talk ZEDB. This is this
is This is going to be fascinating because if you've
never heard Aunt Daisy, you're going to get to hear
Aunt Daisy. If you've never heard merv Smith, you're going
to get to hear merv Smith full shown people like that.
I have just been while I was on holiday, and

(01:13:56):
I kind of mentioned this when I was talking to
Darcy before. I've just been reading Bill Francis's book. Now,
Bill Francis is like the guy at ZB. He used
to run zby back of the days when Paul Holmes
was still the breakfast host on ZB. He turned it
into the juggernaut that it is today. And Bill's written
a couple of books, and one of them is about
ZB and then the other one's just about talk radio
in general, where he kind of assessed the industry, spent

(01:14:18):
the holiday reading that it was fascinating Bill Bill. Bill
got some It's always quite fun the things that people
get wrong. I don't want to be too mean to Bill.
I'm not even gonna traverse. But the one of the
funniest ones is that he thought that Paul Henry wasn't
very good. He said he was very pedestrian, and Paul
Henry's basically my favorite broadcaster, so we couldn't we couldn't
disagree more. And having said that, though he was written

(01:14:39):
in two thousand and two, maybe before Paul Henry kind
of found his feet, he was still on Radio Pacific
co hosting with Pam core Cree at the time, and
maybe he was pedestrian.

Speaker 10 (01:14:47):
Who knows.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
Anyway, I am I'm tossing up the idea of reading
out some of the stuff to you, just for a
bit of a laugh. Twenty five years later. How things?
How you know, with the benefit of Heinze. It's like
what you think. We'll think about it. I don't want
to boom my bridges with Beil though, because he's still
really important, so maybe I won't. I don't know. I'll
think about it. How much do I care? I don't know.

(01:15:11):
Care factors usually on quite a low setting, which is
why I get in trouble. Anyway, we'll see how we go.

Speaker 9 (01:15:15):
We'll see.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
I'll think about it for a little bit. Give you
the numbers. Ends it X fifty down about a quarter
of a percent. Today AX fifty is about up, up
about a third of a percent. Barrel of Brent crude
is costing seventy nine US dollars. One New Zealand dollar
is worth fifty nine USNS eighty three cents. Fifty one
eurosays forty four ukpence ninety three yen. The point of
the story was wait for the podcast on Sunday, I
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Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Heather duplessy Llo the.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
Hipkins has got it wrong. We're halfway through a four
million dollar commercial vessel build which we wouldn't have been
able to do without the investment boost. It's employing twenty
nine people for a year to build in a small
provincial New Zealand town. I think he's wrong with this
as well. Nineteen past six.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
The Rural Report with Farmlands. Rural never rests and neither
is farmlands.

Speaker 3 (01:16:52):
Jamie mckaye, Host of the Countries with US, Hello Jamie.

Speaker 22 (01:16:55):
Hello, Heather, welcome back, Thank you mate.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
What's in rubber Banks latest report?

Speaker 22 (01:16:58):
Then, well it's not well, it's a report or alleged,
should I say, of two halves not surprising. Really look
the income side of it, and they've looked at dairy
beef and sheep meat now beef and sheep meat, beef
and lamb effectively and a bit of mutton throwne and
is looking really good, just off reduced global supply. And

(01:17:19):
when we look at the likes of beef, we have
no tariffs on that going into the very important US market,
our biggest red and beat market. Now for the keyw
fruit dairy is a bit more interesting. We've had a
couple of good positive GDTs after about three bad or
negative ones to start the new dairy season. Our production

(01:17:40):
in June was at record highs, but that's sort of
like winter milking, so it's pretty small numbers. It looks
like we could break another record for annual production, providing
the super al Nino doesn't come and ruin the party.
So that's all looking good. What's not so flash as
the farm input side of the left wire fertilizers a

(01:18:01):
bit of a shocker off. What's happening in the Middle
East fuels very much the same.

Speaker 9 (01:18:05):
It's up and down.

Speaker 22 (01:18:07):
This report was written before Trump had made a few
soothing noises in recent days, but fuel and fertilizer are
still killers for farmers. And the other thing it looks
at in the reporters' interest rates and exchange rates. So
what Rabobank's saying, heather, and this applies to everyone, not
just farmers. The ocr obviously went to two and a
half percent in July. There economists are picking further rate

(01:18:32):
hikes in September December and February. That would bring our
OCR to three point two five percent, and off the
back of those ra higher interest rates, our dollars rallied
a bit. We're trading at just under sixty or something
at the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
And listen. Tell me what farmers think of those new
secondary school subjects.

Speaker 22 (01:18:51):
Well, I don't know. I haven't spoken directly to a farmer,
but I read Federated Farmers press release and I guess
they speak on behalf of farmers. Heather, Look, I think
it's really positive there and they're encouraging industry leads secondary
school subjects. Federated Farmers say it's a major one. The
Meat and Wool chair Richard Dawkins, or Federated Farmers spokesperson

(01:19:13):
on this, Richard Dawkins says this is the kind of
practical industry lead approach and exactly what the sector had
in mind when t PUKINGA was disestablished. So supporting young
farmers is one of Federated Farmers policy priorities for twenty
twenty six. Incidentally, they have another couple that will help
young farmers, reviewing the Share Milking Agreements Act and including

(01:19:37):
Agricultural and Horticultural Science within the year zero to ten
science curriculum and I say it should be in there.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
Yeah, fair point. Hey, Jamie, thank you was always as
lovely to talk to you. Jamie McKay, hosts of the
country SpaceX Now we talked about this a little bit
yesterday with Milford Asset Management. Sam Dicky wants to get
into SpaceX obviously because we've got the first result as
a listed company and it's probably worth all talking about.
So he'll be with us just after the half past
News six twenty two.

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Speaker 3 (01:20:25):
Not everyone's loving the CRL. I'm getting texts about people
who are grumpy about having to pay for it in
Auckland and never gonna use it. Unfortunately that is always
going to be the case. Hey, I do you know
if I say to you alone, you know what I'm
talking about A which is this TV show where they
it's kind of like Survivor but on steroids, like it's
quite full noise, Like they take people and they dump

(01:20:45):
them alone out in the middle of nowhere. I've had
it described to me. I haven't watched it because, as
you well know, I'm at that stage of my life
where I have absolutely no life at all, so I
don't have time to watch nonsense like this. All I'm
watching is the news and you know, then going to
sleep anyway. So apparently what happens is they take the
kids and that people and they dump them ount in
the middle of the out of nowhere, and then people
have to kind of survive for as long as they can,

(01:21:08):
and the last one to pull the pin wins all
the money. But you don't know when the others have
pulled the pin, so you basically need to go until
you can't go anymore and then hope that you're the
last one standing. Anyway, people absolutely physically this same people
love this show, so it will be disappointing for a
lot of Keywis to find out that the version that
you're watching on TVZ is only about eighty percent of
the show. The guys at the spin off of a

(01:21:29):
lot of time and do things like this went and compared.
This is made by the I think it's made by
the History Channel anyway. Broadcasts on the History Channel overseas.
Episode four on the History Channel is one hour four
minutes long. Episode four in New Zealand on TVNZ is
forty two minutes, So you're missing a good what is
that twenty two minutes of content? That's basically a third
of it, isn't it anyway? Episode three one hour and

(01:21:50):
four minutes on the History Channel here not even forty
four minutes, So once again you're missing a good twenty
minutes of content. Basically what's going on is the History
Channel sells two options. Got the big booty long one
and then you've got the short ones so they can
pump it full of ads when they chuck it on
TV and Z. That's what TV and z's doing. So yeah,
bumma for you, Bumma for you. But also you have

(01:22:12):
time to watch an hour long show, so yay for you.
Six twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
There's no business like show business, right.

Speaker 3 (01:22:22):
Fashion colors. She's got voice, isn't she. It's almost like golden,
isn't it. Anyway? It's lot ants. You can definitely turn
that one down.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
You could.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
Yeah, just keep on going down, keep on fading that
one down, so no one can hear this awful song anyway.
I'm just joking. You can give some people may like
it anyway. So anyway, Fashion color of the Year for
twenty twenty six mermaid blue. It's been called by Cosmopolitan magazine.
Apparently everyone in New York is wearing mermaid blue, and
the fashion labels can't get enough of mermaid blue. It's

(01:22:54):
pretty much electric blue. It's pretty full on, it's bright, punchy,
and according to Cosmo, has unmistake makeable y two K energy,
y y two k yep because of the year two thousand,
very on trend right now, low rise jeans camis all
that stuff. If you still got them from when you
were around in the two thousands, get them out because
your kids want them. Apparently, esthetic has been popularized by

(01:23:15):
this girl, Zara Larson. She sings this song It's then.

Speaker 8 (01:23:22):
Kay.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
She's a Swedish pop star. She's very Her era right
now is just girly girls, stuff like beaches and flowers
and dolphins and mermaids. Basically anything you'd see on kids
stationary in the nineteen nineties. Cosmopolitan reckons that mermaid blue
is an elevation of the Y two K trend. They
say Mermaid blue is the perfect color for a fun
party mini dress all the way to your perfect eurosummer fit,

(01:23:46):
which means outfit fit is like outfit anyway. Take it
from Cosmo beij Girl. Summer is over. The cool kids
are wearing pops of color Mermaid blue. Sam Dickie's with.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
Us next, approaching the numbers and getting the results. It's
Heather duple c Allen on the Business Hour with Maths,
Insurance and Investments.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
Your futures in good hands, used talks, Ed be.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
Right more off to the UK in about ten minutes time. Obviously,
the big news out of the UK is that Ed
Miliband has met with Marco Rubio. The US really hates
Ed Miliband, so they would have done it through gritted teeth,
and they've told them to start spending more on defense,
so we'll see how that went down. Also, it's being
reported this is unrelated, but it's being reported that Iran
and Ormaan have agreed on a path of a shipping
route through the Strait of Humma's and that they are

(01:24:46):
finalizing at the moment. Short of something going wrong, they're
finalizing a joint announcement on this now. Just because they've
mapped out a path doesn't mean that there is security.
So it doesn't mean the ships can pass through and
just assume that they'll be fine. Obviously, Irana still completely mental.
But what it does mean is that a cease fire
with the US may well be closer. This will require
US endorsement, so there's still a hurdle to cross, and

(01:25:10):
it also means, unfortunately, we have to get used to
the idea that the straight of Hormus is no longer neutral.
But you know, it might be some good news. I
suppose twenty three away from seven Now, back in June
before it listed, we dug into SpaceX and how it
does quietly become far more than a rocket company. It's
just obviously, as we've discussed on the show. In the
last couple of days, it has reported its first ever
result as a public company and Sam Dicky from Fisher

(01:25:31):
Funds has been looking into it for US. I Sam,
good evening head. Okay, so how did you what did
you make of the first result as a listed company.

Speaker 28 (01:25:39):
Well, they clearly, as you guys have been saying, they're
smashed at every division beat revenue profit a lot. But
the interesting thing was in June we talked about Starlink
being sixty percent of revenue, but it looks like by
the December quarter of this year, the AI division could
be seventy percent of the business. And that AI business
didn't even exist inside SpaceX a few months ago Elon

(01:26:00):
separate company XAI. He merged and so in six months
a rocket company has become a kind of a satellite
Stalink company has now become an AI company.

Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
What is the scale of what he's building to make
it an AI company?

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
That's massive.

Speaker 28 (01:26:15):
So he'll have two gigawatts of AI compute running by
the end of this year and up to twenty gigawatts
of capacity or power and calling by the end of
twenty twenty seven. And to put that in perspective, New
Zealand's grids and the cold snap got to about seven gigawatts,
So Elon is talking about three times New Zealand's entire
power system for one company selling or renting the use

(01:26:36):
of AI chips.

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
That is that's enormous. What's the catch then, that's right.

Speaker 28 (01:26:41):
The stock has been hammered about fifty percent from the
highs a few weeks ago, and there's three reasons for that.

Speaker 9 (01:26:45):
Really.

Speaker 28 (01:26:45):
The first thing is what we talked about in Dune.
For a company that makes no profit, it has been
extremely highly valued. The second thing is, once again for
all these big tech companies you and I have been
talking about this, Heather, the amount of capital spinning required
is off the charts. So if you do the mass
twenty gigawatts times fifty billion per gigawatt, that's a trillion
dollars and the company doesn't even make a profit. And

(01:27:06):
the third thing is that the well publicized lockup expiring,
which you've been talking about, it's been overhanging the stock
and early investors can sell sort of one hundred and
twenty billion dollars worth of stock.

Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
Okay, so what does this mean for investors? Do you think?

Speaker 28 (01:27:18):
Well, Elon, as we know, is nothing if not aggressive.
So the market expects him to deliver three hundred billion
revenue in twenty thirty and he's telling the market that
will be a trillion, and history says that Elon is
usually always late with his predictions, but he gets through eventually.
So once this lock up volatility is passed and perhaps
the stock price is a lot lower again from here.
It'll be interesting to sit back and have a look

(01:27:39):
at it and see where there is a better or
worse company than it used to be only a few
short months ago.

Speaker 3 (01:27:43):
Yeah, interesting stuff, Sam, there's always it's good to talk
to you, mate, really really interesting stuff. Sam Dickey Fisher
funds together due for seel running away from seven. I
think that we can call well sort of, because I
think we can mostly call it for Winston, that he
has got away with being so overtly racist towards Lawrence.
Would we say racist? I mean, if we're being technically correct,

(01:28:03):
are we saying xenophobic? Like, let's to be technically correct. Okay,
so he was xenophobic. So I think he's got away
with it though, because the Prime Minister hasn't told him off.
I don't know what agreement they reached, but it seems
to be an agreement of don't talk about it and
let's white knuckle it a little hopefully go away and
you're not going to get fired and we can save
the government. So he didn't get told off by the
Prime minister. Speaker today Jerry Brownly has confirmed he's also

(01:28:24):
not going to tell Winston. Peter's offered he says, this
is Jerry. He says, a request for someone to withdraw
and apologize a remark like the one that with Sir
Peter's made would need to take place in the moment
and would have to be made by the person who'd
taken offense. The request has been lodged by the Green Parties.
It's not Lawrence Junan, it's the Green Party, and the

(01:28:45):
request has been made this week, not in the moment
when itin the day's subsequent to it happening. So he's
basically denied that, which you know, I mean, technically he
may well be correct, but the ultimate outcome is that
when he pe gets away with it again. Only there's
one more. There is one possible punishment that still remains
for Winnie, which is that he could get punished in

(01:29:05):
the polls. And somebody said this to me today, and
I think they may be onto something. They said, Winston
will get punished for this, ever so slightly in the polls,
because not because his voters are going to necessarily get
their backs up about the fact that he's been xenophobic,
because well, yeah, the man has got form. So you know,
if you're voting for him, you can't know what you're

(01:29:25):
voting for, but what they may get upset about is
the fact that he is so destabilizing at the moment,
to the extent that it makes you feel like a lord,
are we going to have a change of government? Of
this behavior carries on like are we going to go
to a snap election? It kind of had that vibe
about it. He might get punished for destabilizing in the
same way that Dak David Seymore got punished, you know,
in the lead up to the last election for destabilizing.

(01:29:47):
Interesting like side note on this is what Shane Jones
then said today Shange and I don't know whether I
trust Shane Jones on this or whether he's just running
his mouth off, And that is always a possibility as well.
But he's suggested, suggested, he's outright said that New Zealand
First is going to try to limit the ability of
migrants to stand for parliament. He said they'd have to

(01:30:08):
be here in our country for a long period of
time before they can become politicians. We are going to
campaign on that. Then, when the New Zealand First Party
was asked as Shane Jones, right, is this going to
be one of your policies they would not confirm or deny,
and they were like, our policies are our policies when
we announce our policies. Now immediately what you think is
Winston Peters and Shane Jones are coming for Laurence ju
Nan and I'm going to change the rules so that

(01:30:29):
he cannot stay stand for parliament because obviously he's originally
from China. That is not going to happen. Like, don't
even get sucked in by this nonsense. That's not going
to happen. Lawrence u Nan has been in this country
since nineteen ninety four, right, he's been here for thirty
two years. They are not going to set the bar
that high. They're not going to say you have to
be in the country for more than three decades before
you can come in. And how I know that for

(01:30:50):
absolutely certain is they've got a candidate, Taylor Arneil, who's
only been in the country for ten years. So if
they're happy to have somebody in there for ten years,
Lawrence is fine. Seventeen away from seven.

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Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
Talks edb Hey, this is cool. They found the meteorite.
You were aware of this about like about a week ago.
There was a big sonic boom in a flash alight
through the sky. Happened on twenty eight of July by
harpust ten at night. They found it. So what it
was was it was it was just north of Masterton.
Fireballs out here at all are the people who go
and like hunt these meteorites out and stuff. They found

(01:31:43):
it on a I think it's on a farm north
of Marsterton, broken up into four pieces eight grams, nine grams,
twelve grams and forty grams. How cool is that? It's
actually really impressive if you go look at the videos
and they are just thrilled, like they're psychos for the stuff,
so they're shaking and you know, really excited. That's the
most exciting thing that's happened in their lives. So cool,
well done to them, really cool. Go look at the

(01:32:05):
video fourteen away from Steven Elizabeth Kellahan UK correspondence with
that's hi, Elizabeth.

Speaker 29 (01:32:11):
Hello, good to afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
How are you doing.

Speaker 3 (01:32:13):
I am very well. It's good to talk to you.
Talk me through these mental health plans announced by Andy Burnham.

Speaker 29 (01:32:20):
So yeah, so he's announcing plans for new walk in
support centers so people can get mental health support easier
and with no referrals. So he's planning on putting them
in places like banks and libraries, and then also having
some dedicated mental health emergency departments as well, so to
avoid people waiting in busy A and A A and e's,

(01:32:42):
which it might not necessarily be the best place for them.
He's calling it the biggest redesign of mental health services
in the generation, and he's looking at getting some of
those walking centers opened by the autumn time. So yeah,
so just really focusing people getting the right care in
the right place. The initiatives backed by three hundred and

(01:33:05):
forty three million pounds and yeah, so someonell open autumn
and then they'll be further ones following from March twenty
twenty eighty seven, but he's looking to get around two
hundred by twenty twenty nine.

Speaker 3 (01:33:18):
Do you think it's going to work a lot of
it because the distinction. I mean, I think if somebody
is in any kind of distress, whether it's you know,
like the amor's bleeding badly or they having a mental
health crisis, doctors are doctors, aren't they.

Speaker 29 (01:33:32):
Well, they're looking at having specially trained people to help
with these centers. Whether they can get the staffing on
that as well is also into question. But I think
if people, you know, it's such a big problem mental
health issue over here, and I think if there is
somewhere where people can know they can go to get

(01:33:54):
some kind of help, it could ease the burden on
the NHS, but also and helped drive down crime as well,
because so many of by people that have suffered for
mental health issues.

Speaker 3 (01:34:08):
All Right, how did that Marco Rubio meeting go for Admilliband?

Speaker 16 (01:34:14):
I think it didn't go too bad.

Speaker 29 (01:34:16):
He seems quite happy with it. And obviously it's slightly
awkward because of the history of Ed Miliband calling in
the past President Trump a racist and misogynists. So he
was heckled by reporters when they came out for the
photo op, but he said that that's unsurprisingly that didn't

(01:34:37):
come up. But yeah, really polaring opposite of opposites political spectrums.
Marco Rubio and Ed Miller Band who's EDMLI bands very
much net zero left the Labor Party, but they said that,
you know, they discussed reopening the straight of Homer's, having
Europe take on a greater role. Marco Ruby also pushing

(01:35:00):
that they want this defense budget increased. So I think
you'll leave feeling fairly happy that there's some kind of
relation that they seem to be getting on.

Speaker 7 (01:35:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 29 (01:35:13):
I don't think it was a particularly liked person before
he came. They had a nickname Ed Milliwatt and they
were unsure about him coming from a secretary. But yeah,
early days.

Speaker 3 (01:35:26):
But we'll see how it goes. Yeah, we'll see how
it goes. I mean, generally they do get over their
differences when they have to talk to me about this.
Cambridge University professor busted for plagiarism. This is fascinating, it
really is.

Speaker 29 (01:35:38):
It's so curious, and it's been really mounting in the
papers this week in particular, just that you know news stories.
So this is a man called Jason Arday and he
became the youngest black professor ever at the University of
Cambridge when he was appointed in twenty twenty three. He's
a professor of sociology of education. He's now been forced

(01:36:00):
to resign over allegations of academic plagiarism that was brought
to light, and it also exaggerated achievements, which I found
really fascinating. So he has been saying that he ran
thirty marathons in thirty five days, and then he did
three hundred miles in three days, and that he raised

(01:36:22):
fifty five pounds. So yeah, he's been labeled a fantasist.
He's insisted he's not a liar, but it did admit
that there have been some errors in his work. But
he said, look, I'm stepping down because of the level
of public scrutiny and there has been a lot and said,

(01:36:42):
you know, for personal reasons, but it shouldn't be mistaken
for an acceptance of some of the narratives that have
surrounded me. He feels there is it has been racially
motivated as well. The university has launched an investigation into him,
they say following new information at about his academic qualifications
and honorary appointments.

Speaker 3 (01:37:04):
Interesting. All right, hey, listen, thank you, Elizabeth. It's always
good to talk to you appreciated. It's Elizabeth Callahan who's
a UK correspondent. By the way, Upper Hut has now
I mean we knew it was going to happen, but
it has now officially rejected the amalgamation with the rest
of the Wellington councils. They voted against it last night.
It's really just virtue signaling. And if we're honest about it,
it's just virtue signaling, isn't it, Because Upperhart is going

(01:37:26):
to have to do it anyway because the Minister's going
to force them to. There's no way that the rest
of Wellington councils are going to amalgamate and Upper Heart's
going to sit there by itself, So it's going to
be forced to do it anyway, and they know it.
Just doing this on principle ate away from seven here.
The Winston is not racist, he was just stupid in
the phrase used, well.

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
Tell you what.

Speaker 3 (01:37:48):
He might not be racist, but definitely xenophobic. You can't
say stuff like that anybody, anybody if you're not the
key personnel. This is something that's been pointed out. He's
got the key personnel role, like he needs to be
there or everything falls apart. Literally anybody else like and
the same thing would be true in any job. But
any employer out there would have somebody like that that
can get away with just about anything, but everybody else

(01:38:09):
would get fired for saying the same thing. Like you
imagine if I said that in a huge amount of trouble. Anyway,
I'll tell you what I talked to you a lot
about the donations. I find donations are really interesting an
election year, and we've got a little update on the donations.
So Graham Hart his Rank group has just popped in
a fair chunk of change into the National Party coffers.
The largest single donation of the year two hundred and

(01:38:31):
fifty thousand from Graham Heart to the National Party. This
takes the NATS in terms of donations to one point
two six three million. They are doing quite well. The
only party beating the NATS at the moment is act
on one point seven to three million, So Actors on
one point seven, the NATS are on one point let's
round it up three million. New Zealand First is on
five hundred and twenty three thousand. Opportunity Party Opportunities actually

(01:38:55):
doing really well in terms of donations. Opportunity sitting just
shy Are five hundred. Then you've got Labor on four
hundred thousand, then you've got the Greens on three hundred
and forty three thousand, and then you've got the Maldi
Party on only forty thousand. Lord who cares always that
the donations are an indication of who will do better
at the election, So I'm looking at the top three
act National New Zealand first. That should tell you that

(01:39:17):
the coalition government's going to get back in opportunity getting
more money than Labor. So that's pretty clear indication they
may well be in this time as.

Speaker 30 (01:39:26):
This Train as performed by A. Mumford AND's Sons, Old
Crow Medicine Show and Edward Sharpen the Magnetic Zeros to
play us out tonight. We now have an opening date
for Auckland's CRL, so we definitely have to play a
song about a train. This train and the CRL are
bound for glory.

Speaker 3 (01:39:40):
Heather Boy, how funny was it like last night on
the show we're talking about how weird they are about
the secrecy. Yeah, yeah, so weird. We don't need to worry.

Speaker 30 (01:39:51):
Didn't they didn't care about secrecy at all at all?

Speaker 3 (01:39:54):
For months they were like, oh no, don't tell anyone,
don't tell anyone, and everybody's asking when is it open?

Speaker 8 (01:39:57):
Though, no, I can't tell you now, can't tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:39:59):
Not no, absolutely not no, no, I can't tell you.
And then the billboards go up this morning and totally
blow the secret.

Speaker 30 (01:40:04):
And even if you didn't see the billboards, it's exactly
the day that A Gibson reported in the Herald a
couple of days ago, and I'm pretty sure that the
press reported it as well.

Speaker 8 (01:40:10):
So there you go the post.

Speaker 3 (01:40:11):
So it all just fell apart at the last minute.
Let's hope that's not how it goes for the trains,
and let's hope that Mike Munroe was completely wrong where
he said a track's just going to fall off at
some stage fingers crossed and see how it goes. Said
all right. Holiday.

Speaker 1 (01:41:07):
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