Full Show Podcast: 06 March 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's Heather duper c Ellen Drive with One New Zealand
to coverage like no one else News Talks AV.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Afternoon. Welcome to the show. Coming up today, We're convening
a huddle on the Prime Minister's position in the polling.
Brent Eckles, the concert promoter on the new Western Springs idea,
Yes there's another one. And the Warriors coach Andrew Webster
on his squad how they're looking ahead of the first
game against the Roosters tonight at seven past four.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Heather duper Cy Ala, Well, the.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Phones are running hot today. I'll tell you that over
National's poll number, because twenty eight point four percent is
a disaster. On this number, twelve National MPs lose their jobs,
no List MP's return. Nikola Willis is not in parliament,
Paul Goldsmith is not in parliament, and the list goes on.
What everyone at the other end of the phone in
politics today is trying to figure out is whether the

(00:55):
Prime Minister is preparing to quit his job or whether
there is an appetite to roll him. Now there is
speculation that he is considering this weekend giving up his job.
It is not clear to me whether this is real
or whether this is mischief making. It is entirely possible
it is mischief making by other people who want to
see him out of the job, maybe to further other

(01:16):
people's interests. That is possible. There is no appetite to
roll him at the moment because that looks messy and
runs the chance of costing National the election. They are waiting,
and let me assure you there are ministers who are
actively waiting for him to step down himself. And this
is now a significant problem for Chris Luxman, one that
you cannot simply right away, wave away and say is

(01:38):
not an issue. He is now in dead man walking territory.
There has now been too much leadership chatter for too long,
most recently with Chris Bishop's failed coup attempt last year.
His personal polling is now so abysmal, and the party's
polling is now below the thirty percent red line and falling,
and all of that stuff adds up to a leadership
that cannot continue, not if National expects to come out

(02:01):
of the next election with a decent sized party. It
is now becoming a question in a lot of people's minds,
whether it's real or not in a lot of people's minds,
and perception is reality of not if. But when he
stands down, does he stand down now? Does he wait
until closer to the election? Does he see through the
election and bow out a year afterwards? The fact that
it is becoming accepted wisdom that Chris Luxen cannot continue

(02:24):
in this position is in and of itself poisonous. I
make no predictions other than to say it can't go
on like this.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Heather Duplessy Allen.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
One two nine through is the text number. Let me
know what you think standard text. Bee's applying. We're going
to have Joseph Pergarani and Trisherson and after five o'clock
convening an emergency huddle to get their take on what
is going on here. Now on to another subject. Qes
of forming at petrol stations as worried commuters try to
fill their tanks before the war and Iran sends the
fuel prices through the roof. The price of crude oil
has shot up since the start of the war. The

(02:57):
AA is expecting the petrol prices here to go up
next week as a result. Simon Parham is why Tormal
group's CEO, and he joins me, Now, Hi, Simon, I
see the AA reckons the prices will go up next week.
But haven't they already gone up?

Speaker 4 (03:11):
Well, I think the market had already priced in a
bit of tension with the US run nuclear negotiations, but
they hadn't certainly hadn't priced in the war. And so
that's what we've seen this week is a real spike
in those and those crew prices and specifically the Singaporean
plats prices that then flow into our market.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
Are you considering putting up your prices or by how much?

Speaker 4 (03:32):
Well, looking ahead from where we are today, I think
in the coming week we will have to see prices increase,
like gasoline between five to ten cents a letter and
diesel by about fifteen to twenty cents a letter.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
There's some speculation that we could be looking at by
thirty cents alter shortly. Is that I mean, is that
something we should be factoring in?

Speaker 4 (03:51):
Yeah, I think we've just got to take the market,
you know, every day at a time. It's been a
pretty crazy week, and I think our viewers that if
the strait of him Itz opens, then that spike's going.

Speaker 5 (04:03):
To resolve itself pretty quickly.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
But I guess the thing for the customers out there
is to shop around. There are good deals out there.
Even when I talk about the prices that we might
have to increase, that white time of price will still
be below a lot of those full service companies out
there today.

Speaker 5 (04:20):
So you know, shop around. There's good deals out there.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
If you put your prices up by five to ten
cents a lead, where does that put your relative to
the three dollar mark?

Speaker 4 (04:28):
Well, at the moment, our ninety one is about two
dollars sixty and our diesels two dollars five.

Speaker 5 (04:33):
So there's still still a way for us to get
to three dollars.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
But there's some competitors out there at the moment who
are getting pretty close to that the three dollar mark.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
What are you guys pricing in for at this stage?
How long this business goes on for in Iran?

Speaker 4 (04:48):
Well, I guess if we listen to President Trump, he's
saying four weeks. I hope it's shorter. But you know,
we're just literally taken each day, you know, every day
we're hoping for good news and the price is just escalated, escalated, escalated.
So where as just a total watching brief.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
You guys got any cues.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
Yeah, Look, our field demand's been up probably about ten
to fifteen percent each day this week, so we are
seeing some cues on some sites, but there's product there,
plenty of supply there. So it is those customers that
are reading the headlines and getting in there and filling
up before those those prices increasing.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yeah, I was wondering, is it filling up before the
prices increase or are they freaking out about fuel supply
in this country?

Speaker 4 (05:32):
Well, yeah, the industry is definitely managing the stock well,
and they mentioned it carefully, but there's twenty days of
product in the country and there's a ship arriving from
Singapore every other day, so you know, I guess supplies
in the issue right at this moment, but I think
they're looking to just front foot it versus what they're
seeing in the media and with increasing prices in it now.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Marsden point, is this something that we need to discuss.

Speaker 5 (05:59):
There's probably above pay grade.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
Look, we'd still probably been a similar situation because we
have to import crude. All we're doing now is we're
importing refined products, so it's ready to go home.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
So Marsden point gives us a few weeks supply, right,
and apparently there is another twenty nine days worth of
supply on the way. Do you actually how realistic is
it to full see a situation in the short term
or medium term where we run out of fuel? Is
that realistic?

Speaker 5 (06:28):
I don't think it's realistic, you know.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
I think the industry here are filled with a lot
of great professionals who manage that supply and they do
a great job. And you know the break, Like I said,
there's a ship arriving every second days from Singapore, So
that doesn't just happen by magic.

Speaker 5 (06:44):
It happens by a lot of great management.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yes, something's good to talk to you, mate, Thank you
very much. Timon param who is why Tormal Group CEO?
Let me give you the rest of the pole because
we've obviously discussed what National is sitting on, which is
to twenty eight point four percent. This is, by the way,
the taxpayer union curier poll. Oh do I need to
do No, I won't do that thing. I'll do that
thing later. Just bear with now, shall I do that thing?

Speaker 6 (07:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (07:04):
I'm gonna do that thing. Do you remember when I
said this to you yesterday? Here's my prediction, because what
I'm hearing is there's a poll that's going to come
out either tomorrow or Monday, and it is it's bad,
bad for them? Was I right?

Speaker 5 (07:18):
Bad?

Speaker 7 (07:19):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (07:21):
What we've undone is the terrible prediction that we did
on the All Blacks coach. So I've got one in
the bank and one in the tank. Now, so Nationals
on twenty eight point four percent, down basically three points.
Labor's up zero point three to thirty four point four,
the Greens are up zero point two percent to ten
and a half. New Zealand First is down zero point

(07:41):
eight points to nine point seven, Actors up zero point
eight points to seven and a half. The Mardi Party
is up zero point three to three point two percent.
And on this, although I don't think, I don't get
stressed out but this, but on this, the center left
forms the government. But like I said, I don't think
that that's a realistic well that's at this stage. I
don't think it's a realistic prospect. I think it's more likely.
The biggest threat to National is not that they lose government,

(08:03):
it's they come in at about the same size as
bloody New Zealand first quarter past.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
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Speaker 3 (08:17):
Hither the TV and Z news team must be popping
the champagne corks or Andrew Lowblow. But speaking of which,
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who's going to be with us after six, because of
course they've reported today. I'll give you that detail, but
we'll talk to them about We'll talk to her rather
about Benedict and all of the biased stuff as well.
Eighteen past four.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
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Speaker 3 (08:41):
Jason Pine Weekend Sport hosters with us. Hello Piney, No
biased hair up the wires, Heather, Yeah, that's right. No,
that kind of bias is absolutely perfectly acceptable. Do you
think are we biased? Are our eyes blinded by it? Though?
Can we actually beat the roosters?

Speaker 8 (08:53):
I think we can beat the roosters. I don't think
we're favorite to beat the roosters. I think their favorite.
But it is absolutely not beyond the realms of possibility
that the Warriors will win tonight. I think we're allowed
to be very optimistic. Get the start of the season
before a ball's been kicked by the Warriors, and then
I think our mood changes across the next sort of
twenty four games or whatever it is, before the top
eight sort themselves out. Look, I think the Warriors are

(09:16):
under strength. We all accept that Luke Metcalf not due
back to all round seven, Mitch Barnett still a couple
of weeks away, and a couple of other players not
available are Rock Oberri among them. But the Roosters are
in the same sort of boat. Really, They're a little
bit of an unknown quantity at the start of the
season as well. It's at go Media Stadium, which has
to add a little bit of emphasis and impetus to

(09:37):
the Warriors. So yeah, like I say, wouldn't be beyond the
realms of possibility that they get off to a winning
start tonight.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Am I right in thinking the Roosters are among the
favorites to win the entire thing?

Speaker 5 (09:46):
You are?

Speaker 8 (09:46):
Yeah, they're in the top six favorites. I think the
last time I checked, you've got the Broncos and the
Melbourne Storm who put fifty on the eels last night.
Penrith always there or thereabouts, even though that last season
wasn't as good. The Roosters are in a sort of
a clutch of year. Half a dozen teams that most
people think will be in the eight and go deep
into the comp Interesting.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
Okay, Piney, So we're playing India. Are we in the final?

Speaker 9 (10:06):
Yes? We are.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
How do you feel about that?

Speaker 8 (10:09):
I feel good about that.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
I feel good about that.

Speaker 8 (10:11):
It's you know, it might seem odd given it's in
India and they'll have a huge crowd baying for them
and baying for our blood. I guess when this game
gets under way Monday morning, New Zealand time, but that
will add its own kind of pressure to India. We've
been over there in the last little while and one
of three match Test series three nil. We've won a
One Day International series in India for the first time

(10:31):
just a few months ago. And the way that Finn
Allen in particular batted yesterday along with Tim Saiford, and
the way the black Caps bold again, I sort of
feel as though there's absolutely a chance for New Zealand
to do something here. It will be again. It's probably
a bit like the Warriors. They're not the favorites to
win the game. Absolutely not, but they could absolutely win

(10:53):
the game. It's a game of T twenty. No One
rarely expected them to monster South Africa. They did yesterday
and look where we are. So yeah, look, it will
absolutely be worth setting the alarm for two twenty eight
am Monday morning and getting up to watch what plays out.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Do you think that there is I mean, this is
always a risk that when you have a performance like
Finaleen had and the bowlers had that you actually end
up kind of peaking a bit early. Have we played
our final? Possibly?

Speaker 8 (11:19):
I guess we'll find out at about breakfast time Monday,
won't we.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (11:22):
I mean the other side of that coin is momentum.
You know, you are in with confidence and Finalen must
feel you know, ten feet tall money.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
It's not like these guys haven't been at a final before,
right so they know mentally what to do here.

Speaker 6 (11:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (11:34):
Oh absolutely, And do you do too? I think it's
a really good clash.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
And do you go with thee I see they're coming
for Brendan McCallum or want them fired over in England?
Would you agree with that?

Speaker 10 (11:45):
No?

Speaker 3 (11:45):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 8 (11:46):
Well, they've had a good World Cup, you know, they
were seven runs short of chasing down two fifty this morning,
they would have been in the final. And you know
if they played us in the final, they are I
would have been more comfortable playing into or I am
more comfortable than playing England. I think they're a better
all around cricket team than twenty. Yeah, but no, I
mean the ashes were terrible. I think bad survives. If
he doesn't, you can come home here and look after his

(12:07):
racial pace one of.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
The T twenty teams that we're about to set up there. Indeed, indeed,
thanks Pine, appreciate it, Jason Fine, we can sport host hither.
I feeled it. But you go today as I do
three times a week, and I paid two dollars forty nine.
My other local has gone up ten cents today. It's
sitting at two dollars seventy two. As he said before,
the chap for white talmall pays to shop around, isn't
it for twenty two?

Speaker 2 (12:29):
The headlines and the hard questions, it's the Mike asking breakfast.

Speaker 11 (12:33):
So the committee looking into whether we should bran social
media for under sixteen's has produced its fine a report.
Col Bates is one of the national members on that committee.
Some of the recommendations you make are from outer space.
They're not real, they're just theoretical whiteboarding.

Speaker 12 (12:46):
So there's a range of recommendations, a number of what
you reflect what's happening internationally, and some of what you
are about immediate actions that can be taken.

Speaker 11 (12:53):
Now regulate elgorithmic recommendation systems. Do you honestly think New
Zealand Inc's capable of doing that? When no one else
in the world is.

Speaker 12 (13:01):
From a committee perspective, we said the government should explore this,
not saying.

Speaker 6 (13:05):
Let's just go and.

Speaker 9 (13:06):
Say this should happen right now.

Speaker 11 (13:08):
Back Monday from six am, the Mic Asking Breakfast with
Rain Drivers, fort SV News Talk ZB.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
The day's newsmakers.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Talk to Heather first, Heather Dupice, Ellen, Drive with One
New Zealand and the Power of Satellite Mobile News Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Trump's fired I Spabi Christine on in so we'll have
a chat to Dan Mitchinson about that when he's with us.
In fifteen minutes. I'm going to get to your text
and just quickly want to four twenty five had a
question answered for me today. This is really the T
twenty competition, The n Z twenty I don't know if
you felt this, but I felt like the guys behind
the n Z twenty are in a real hurry, Like

(13:46):
I really that they are working at pace and I've
always won. I've wondered why why is it that they're
putting so much pressure on in Zidsea, the board there
to make a decision. Why is it that they have
to get it up and running by next January, because
that's like that is a really quick turnaround. Well, this
might explain it. It's been reported today that it's because
of an alternative option which is live and on the table,

(14:09):
which is the BBL. Now we've talked about the BBL,
but it was kind of like it's possibility. Now we
know it's on the table. Cricket Australia chair Mike bad
and the Chief executive Todd Greenberg traveled to Auckland two
weeks ago to make a presentation to the New Zealand
Cricket Board about the possible inclusion of a New Zealand
team in the BBL in twenty twenty eight. So that's
why they're hurrying, because they can beat it by a year.
So if they get it and get it going in

(14:30):
January twenty twenty seven. We'll get all the good cricket
players back here and they won't have to worry about that.
The bbl Idea will be dead. Texts Heather, very dramatic,
as per usual Relux in the National My understanding is
that National Party polling is nowhere near as pessimistic. Few
deep breaths, cheers Peter. Well, Peter, news for you is
that the very same people who do the polling for

(14:52):
the Taxpayer's Union poll being curier, do the polling for
the National Party. It's the same people, so they're getting
the same numbers, and that's what I understand is going on.
The only possible difference is that National is getting it
waited by somebody else. Waiting is waiting as waitings ooh,
that's where people make all the mistakes in polling. But

(15:14):
it is entirely possible that they're waiting it to such
a degree that they feel comfortable with it. But no,
it's the same people doing the same polling, Heather. National
would be idiots to replace Luxon before the election. Nicola
and Bishop tainted by the Mulla saga, another coup makes
them look toxic. Heither the last time a National government
replaced a prime minister. New Zealand first left the coalition
because Winston wouldn't put up with Shipley. Watch the space

(15:35):
arrant you are onto something. You make a very good
point there. News is next, and remember Barrysapa's with us
in the next half hour on this as well.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
The name you trust to get the answers you need,
it's Heather duplic Ellen drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else US talks.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
They'd be mee'll be benom but you said, just watch me.
Hither into the finn ninety five is sitting at three
dollars and two cents costre Philia carrap, That isn't it.
Barry soapers with us in ten minutes time on what
he's hearing in terms of whether the Prime Minister really

(16:24):
is reconsidering his position, just the speculation that's going around
at the moment. Obviously after the poll result. Hither I
think that you were analysis of Chris Luxon is spot on.
It's going to take more than this to stop me
voting national though. But while Luxon might have business acumen,
he is a terrible politician. And that's alacidly sixty percent
of the job description Giran, Thank you very much. I'm

(16:44):
going to run you through the Western Springs proposal when
I get a minute. Just stand by for that. Twenty
four away from five, it's the.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
World wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Donald Trump's being getting up to his old tricks.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
You're firing.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
He's replaced Homeland Security Secretary Christy Noman will be moving
her to a new job. She's been in trouble recently
for spending a lot of department money and on an
ad campaign promoting herself, and Republican senators have been grumbling
about her.

Speaker 7 (17:10):
I want to secure of the board and I want
to force our emigration launch. But I'm tired of trying
to explain behavior that is inexplicable to me.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Over in Australia, Albow has revealed that three Aussies were
on board the US submarine that sank the Iranian frigate
off Sri Lanka. He says he wouldn't normally reveal details
like this, but he's doing it because of the massive
public interest.

Speaker 13 (17:33):
I can confirm also, though, that no Australian personnel have
participated in any offensive action against Iran. These are longstanding
third country arrangements that have been in place for a
long period of.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Time, and finally, nine point five million tons of stinky
seaweed is headed for beaches in the Caribbean. This is sargasm,
which it's an ugly brown elder bloom that smells like
rotten eggs. According to local news outlets, some has already
started washing a short in cankon and too loom, just
in time to ruin the spring break game.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Dan Mitchinson UIST Correspondents with Correspondent is with US. Hello Dan, Hey, Heather,
So why did she get the sack?

Speaker 14 (18:24):
Oh gosh, why didn't she? I mean political liability. I
think mismanage your money, like you were just talking about
one hundred and seventy somethingter million on jets, that ad campaign,
personal scandals, power struggle, immigration policies. I mean, the list is,
you know, as long as my arm right now. And
it looks like the President wants a Senator Mark Waynemullen

(18:45):
who is from Oklahoma, to take over a job. And
she's going to be shuffled off to something where I
guess she's still going to be collecting a pickcheck.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
What do we know about this chap taking over from her?

Speaker 14 (18:57):
Trump supporter, a Republican out of Middle America, very humbled
about the position. He was asked about what he thought
about it, and he said, you know, this is pretty humbling.
He says, I'm a little kid from Westville, Oklahoma, and
he says, I get to serve in the president's cabinet.
And he said, that's pretty neat, which is a phrase
you don't hear very often, well at least not since

(19:19):
the nineteen fifties around here. So we'll see if he
makes it through the process and if he sticks around
a little bit longer than she did.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
All right, So on the war, Donald Trump wants to say,
and who takes over and around? Does he?

Speaker 7 (19:33):
Well?

Speaker 1 (19:34):
He does.

Speaker 14 (19:34):
And this is going to be interesting too because at
first we thought it was going to be the son
of the former leader. He appeared to be the leading
candidate to succeed his father, but the President said he
was quote an unacceptable choice. And he spoke in the
White House today now and not only that, but he
was thanking Israeli partners and he was going on again

(19:55):
about how the US was destroying Iran's missiles and drone
capability every hour, and they don't have a navy anymore,
and they don't have an air force defense and all
their airplanes are gone. So, you know, the these these
quote news conferences, I think are more of an opportunity
for him to do a little bragging, which he you know,
clearly enjoys, and I think a lot of Republicans do.

(20:17):
But I think there are also a few that are
getting a little well perhaps overwhelmed by the what's going on.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Right now, what's the feeling in the States on the
ground invasion by the Kurds.

Speaker 14 (20:31):
I think that's been kind of overshadowed by everything else
that's been going on right now. I think that's something
that's we're going to hear more of in the in
the coming days, I think. Right now, and I hate
to say this, but I really the the party politics
between the Democrats and the Republicans seem to be taking
up a lot of the time on the local news

(20:53):
and in print as well. It seems to be more
of the fighting going on between Republicans and Democrats that
than it is about that which is of course, you know,
very important as well, and you know the fact that
the President has said no boots on the ground, which
I think is you know, is very important to a
lot of people over here.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yeah, now Britney Spee is do we know? I mean,
because she's we know, she's been a recent we don't
know why, but we think it's a it's a driving
under the influence.

Speaker 14 (21:18):
Do we Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was arrested last night.
She was released earlier this morning here and I guess
she was called in by another driver who saw her
car going all over the place. But you know, there's
been a lot of concern over her. I mean, if
you're on social media at all, you see these videos
that she's been posting on x and Instagram, and they

(21:40):
show her dancing by herself. Sometimes she's dancing with knives.
Sometimes she's you know, flashing her chest out and it's
just this never ending stream of videos and these social
media dire entries, and they're be mocked online and people
are saying, you know, she needs some help. There's definitely
something mental going on with her. In fact, her Instagram
account looks like it was taken down earlier this morning too.

(22:02):
But you know, things like this tend not to have
a very good ending. But let's hope there's going to
be some kind of intervention with you.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Did you say she's dancing with knives?

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (22:13):
No, yeah, yeah, yeah, she's she's just she's she does
these weird videos where she's she's had knives before she's
had uh, where she's kind of like taking her top
off a little bit, you know, and kind of flashing
the camera and you know, it looks like her face
is all red and the makeup's running, and she looks
like she hasn't brushed her hair in three days, and
it's just it's not it's not a good thing.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
Are we starting to understand why she might have been
under that conservative ship then.

Speaker 14 (22:39):
Yes, and summer wondering if she should be back there
under that conservatorship.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Dan, thank you very much, appreciate your time.

Speaker 9 (22:44):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
That's Dan Mitchinson, US correspondent right now. It's coming up
eighteen away.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
From five dol So.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
By the way, on that insid twitch, I still love it.
Look as worried I as I am about the in
zid twinty idea, because I think that they are just
the haste of it. I think I think poor decisions
are often made in haste. I still love the sound
of this bloody thing. Apparently the guys behind NZ twenty
are talking up the prospect of one of the franchises
being based in Queenstown, which is one of their ideas,

(23:11):
but then being led by Brenda McCullum and Ben Stokes
of England, because of course Ben was born in christ
Church and regularly visits family in New Zealand. Now tell
me that you wouldn't go and watch that and tell
me that that's not better than the Super Smash if
you've got bas and stokesy involved, I mean a thousand
times over, isn't it? Anyway? On this business with the

(23:31):
National Party, Nikola Willis appeared this morning on Nick Mills's
show in Wellington and her comments has raised some eyebrows
among ministers, particularly this one.

Speaker 15 (23:42):
He is being asked to give yes no answers to
questions that are pretty subtle, have a lot of complexity,
and he's admitted that he misspoke on an occasion.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
So I don't think it's been a great week for
the Prime minister. It's not been a great week for
the Prime Minister's maybe a little bit more honest than
people wanted her to be. Also there is this lack
of outright support.

Speaker 5 (24:02):
Is he the right guy?

Speaker 15 (24:04):
Well, he has the backing of the caucus, and you're not.

Speaker 6 (24:06):
Giving me an answer is he the right guy?

Speaker 3 (24:08):
I mean, it's a simple yes or no answer.

Speaker 15 (24:10):
Say I am giving you that answer, which is that
I'm saying he has the backing of the National Party caucus.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
I think we can all read between those lines, can't we,
because they're like a mile apart. Anyway, As I said,
emergency huddles with us after five o'clock to discuss this.
Barry Sober is with us on this next sixteen away.

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Speaker 3 (24:30):
We have just had confirmation the Prime Minister will be
joining us after five o'clock. A stay tuned for that.
Right now, it's fourteen away from five and Barry Soper,
senior political correspondent, is with us. Hi, Barry, Good afternoon, Heather. Okay,
so what do you make of this? Is he considering
his future?

Speaker 10 (24:43):
As they say, No, he's not, and neither he should be.
I mean, polls are polls, and whichever way you read them,
it's not a good poll for the National Party. There's
no doubt about that. I mean, twenty eight point four
percent is not where they would want to be, as
Nicola will have said, and was what the Prime Minister
would say, and I think every National Party MP would

(25:06):
say the same thing. But I think of all the
prime ministers that have come into power since I've been
in the place, and he's number twelve, I think he's
had the hardest job, maybe with the exception of David
Longey who came in after Muldoon, but he's had the
hardest job I think of any prime minister that this

(25:27):
country has seen since then. So you know, they've done
a lot of legislative stuff this government. They may not
have gone far enough for some people. And I'm looking
at one when I say that, but you know, when
you look at the legislative the list that the government's

(25:47):
put through, and don't forget they've done a report card
on themselves every quarter, I think it's a pretty impressive
two and.

Speaker 16 (25:54):
A half years.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
It's great. But Barry, they're not popular.

Speaker 17 (25:56):
No they're not.

Speaker 10 (25:57):
But then they would not be popular, would because when
a party comes in after the economy was given such
a thumping by money being printed in what have you
in debt ceilings going up, costing ten billion dollars a
year to service. You're not going to have a government
that's going to be able to come in and within

(26:19):
three years turn it around and make New Zealand the
pleasant place it was before COVID that it doesn't happen
like that, Politics doesn't happen like that. Three years are
not going to make the difference. It's the next three years.
I think that'll be the telling time. And I'm sure
that Christopher Luxen will be there. Even though if these

(26:42):
results were translated, which I don't think they will be,
on election night, you would see the center Left being
coming home with a one seat majority. Now, look, it's
so close, and to panic frighten the horses at this
stage I think is probably going far too far. I think,

(27:03):
you know, it's like everybody says polls are what they are,
the polls are snapshots of public opinion. Well this is
a snapshot. They certainly don't like national terribly much at
the stage, and it's interesting to see where the national
vote's gone. You can't tell by this poll. It hasn't
gone to New Zealand, fest hasn't gone to the Act Party.

(27:25):
So it'll be narrow. But look to me, I heard
the grab that you used of Nikola Willis, but a
more appropriate grab, in my view would be Nichola Willis's
take on the poll is obviously it's not a good
result and they'll have to improve on it between now
and the election. But Willis says national have many other

(27:46):
things to focus on at the moment.

Speaker 15 (27:48):
Our National Party team recognize that what New Zealanders don't
want to see is us focused on ourselves and who's
who in the zoo. They want to see stability, unity,
a prime minister leading, keeping our coalition strongly to get.

Speaker 10 (28:00):
And that's what Chris Luxen has done. When you look
at where the National Party was before he became the leader.
I think he became the leader far too soon in
his political career and he would probably have liked himself
to cut the teeth a bit more, but he didn't
have the opportunity because the National Party was in such

(28:21):
a mess in terms of leadership. He stepped up to
the plate, you know, a very short time in politics.
But I think he's he's learnt pretty well on the
job and I don't think he deserves a poll rating like.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
This okay, So do you think the polls improve before November?

Speaker 7 (28:38):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Yes, well I.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Well what makes that?

Speaker 10 (28:42):
Well, there's another spanner in the works, isn't there, And
that's the Israeli US invasion of.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Because we've had we've had an The economy is on
its knees and is just starting to get up off
this and it's about to get another lock from what's
going on with the oil prices. Okay, so the economy turns,
potentially our recovery is not as awesome as it should
have been. That counts against him. He shows no personal
signs of getting better at the job if anything. Oh well,

(29:09):
I'm talking about like a performance like Monday, right.

Speaker 10 (29:12):
Yeah, no, no, I'm talking about exactly that as well.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
So that's not improving. So what is it that lifts
the pole rating for national so that he's in the
clear again.

Speaker 10 (29:20):
I don't think I've ever seen a person in the
prime minister seat that hasn't stumbled on occasions and is
not not to the extent that Chris Luxen is being
knocked over this. And if you go back to the
actual question that was asked at the press conference, it
wasn't a question that a prime minister could possibly answer anyway.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
That's okay.

Speaker 12 (29:42):
Point.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
So you're saying it's a hostile media, and I think
that is a fair point from you. But what changes
if he stays in the position. What changes between now
and Novembers of the poll rating goes up?

Speaker 10 (29:53):
Well, I think depending on what happens given what's going
on in the Middle East. If it's not the impact
that some of us think it might be, then you know,
as you said, the economy is finally showing signs of
turning the corner. You look at tourism and the like,
and our exports sales. I mean, we're doing very well

(30:14):
at the moment, and we haven't done as well for
a very long time. So I think the economy is
turning the corner. And I think given the circumstances that
Chris Fluxen took over this job in it's been an
extraordinarily difficult time for a prime minister, and I think

(30:34):
people will hopefully sit back and reflect and reflect on
what a change of government would mean as opposed to
thinking of a labor led coalition with the Greens and
the Maldi Party in it.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Okay, listen to me a favor and listen to the
Prime Minister with this with us and then we'll wrap
the political way. That was a quarter past six barriers.
Thank you very much, Barry So for senior political correspondence
coming up seven away from five now on Saturday tomorrow
at the Elleslie Race Course, there's going to be five
million bucks in the pot for the NZB key, which
is the horse racing. What is fascinating about it is
it's on Sky one, which you don't often get. You

(31:11):
don't often get. It's rare that they put the horse
racing on the Sky one and it's just prompted a
question from some of the guys at work as to
whether maybe this is the thing that we're all into now,
are we getting into horse racing? Sports hut above us
after half past five will pitch that one at let
me see what they've got to say about it. So yeah, listen.
If you're bored with the Western Springs thing, Lord, I'm
really sorry, but there is more to this ongoing saga.
We've got another plan for Western Springs because you remember,

(31:34):
the last plan was just far too much for us
to possibly take money from billionaires Ali and Anna. We
said no, thanks, don't build us as stadium. So the
new plan is we're going to do it ourselves this time.
The Council's events Tartuki Auckland Unlimited has pitched upgrading the
place so there can be concerts of up to thirty
thousand people, but still retaining the ponds and by rugby club.
And apparently it's only going to cost us to this

(31:56):
is rapepayers and Auckland only going to cost us two
and a half million dollars, which I bs on because
I don't know if you know how far two and
a half million dollars does not go at council level.
But remember those disco toilets that Wellington City Council put
in the middle of the CBD, the one that had
only six bogs, like literally six bogs in it two
and a half million dollars. So if you think two

(32:17):
and a half million dollars gets your six six toilets
or an upgrade of Western Spring, I don't know do
you believe that. I feel like it's one of those
ones where they go, oh yes, sorry, it blew out
by about one thousandfold. Anyway, Brent Eckles concert promoter is
going to be with us shortly talk us through that.
But next up, let's have a chat to the Prime
Minister about whether he is really doing what they say

(32:38):
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Speaker 3 (33:58):
Good afternoon. There is one I spread speculation this afternoon
in political circles that the Prime Minister is considering his
future following a brutal poll for National it's the Taxpayer's
Union Curier poll has the party at twenty eight point
four percent and it's this worst result since the Judith
Collins era. And we're joined by the Prime Minister Hig
Chris get A Heather.

Speaker 16 (34:17):
How are you?

Speaker 3 (34:18):
I'm well, thank you. Are you considering standing down?

Speaker 5 (34:21):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 19 (34:23):
The only thing I'm considering is the future of our
kids and our Green kids, and that's why I came
to politics. We've got a great country, We've got a
hell of a lot to do, and that's what I'm
fixated on.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Do you think you should consider standing down?

Speaker 6 (34:34):
No?

Speaker 3 (34:35):
Why not?

Speaker 5 (34:37):
Well?

Speaker 19 (34:37):
Look, I mean we've got a lot of work to do,
and I think you know, I've got skills that actually
are very useful at this time when we're trying to
navigate some challenging global environments with our biggest challenge in
this country is our economy. And I understand the economy well,
I appreciate there's a lot of key we're still doing
it tough and a challenge by that and are frustrated
by that as I am, But you know, we've got
to follow the plan and it's starting to work a

(34:57):
little bit and we want to see more of it
happen the course of the year.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
What are your ministers telling you? Are any of them
telling you to consider your future?

Speaker 6 (35:04):
No?

Speaker 19 (35:05):
No, not at all.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Are any of them telling you that they back you?

Speaker 5 (35:09):
All of them? Yes?

Speaker 20 (35:11):
Is there?

Speaker 3 (35:11):
If this is not a poll number, Chris, it's bad
enough for you to consider your position. What is the
poll number at which you do well?

Speaker 19 (35:18):
Can I just step you through the polls right? Because
you know, if you're in my position, I get asked
every single week by a different journalist or a different
media organization that has its own polling right, And there's
often public polls that I'll have two public polls in
a week that will be saying different things. And polling
in twenty twenty six is really important to get right
because there's methodology issues, there are a new media environment,

(35:38):
people don't have landline phones. There's a whole bunch of
stuff that goes into it. Why only the only polling
I look at is the one that we do internally
for ourselves, and that's stuff that we actually get processed
overseas actually to be honest, because there's skills that we
need to process the data.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
When you say processed, do you mean it gets weighted
overseas well.

Speaker 19 (35:57):
What we do is we do our internal polling. Think
Nicholas spoken about this at the end of last year
is actually and since I became the leader, I actually
get that process in the UK and I have done
ever since.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
And where are you guys sitting Well.

Speaker 5 (36:12):
I don't talk.

Speaker 19 (36:13):
About it, obviously, but I just would reassure you if
there was a problem, I would be doing something about it.
But we are a long way away from what we've
seen published in a TPU poll today, and you know,
we know we've got work to do. We know this
is all about the economy. It's all about actually people
feeling it as it improved through the course of the year,
and there's a there's a lot more for.

Speaker 5 (36:33):
Us to do.

Speaker 19 (36:34):
But that's what I lead. And that's why you know
hither you asked me lots of times because it could
be a very in TV poll, it could be a
fresh water poll, it could be a TPU pole, it
can be a Roy Morgan pole, you know, And you know,
and people ask me all the time and I always
say I don't comment on polls, and that's the reason
I don't is that I know the tasket hand. I
know what the issue that's concerning Zanders the most is
the economy. The economy of the economy. That's what the

(36:55):
selection is going to be fought about. I don't believe
going down the pathway with labor doing more all of
their stuff is the way forward for this country. I
think we have an awesome country, but we have a
lot of potential to realize on it. And that's what
I'm waking up doing each and never.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Okay, so is there is there a poll number at
which you do start to consider your future.

Speaker 19 (37:13):
It's not something I've thought about at all, and I
haven't discussed it with anybody because it hasn't been hasn't
needed to be a conversation.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
Because what you're asking me to believe, though, Chris, is
that all the polls out there that we are seeing
public are wrong and there is something special about your
poll that makes it right. At a higher level.

Speaker 5 (37:28):
I'm not saying that.

Speaker 19 (37:29):
I'm just saying if I spend all my time each
and every week commenting on different poles that are presented
and pitched to me as as Gospel, as Bible, as
true and debating that that is a waste of my time.
What New Zealanders expect me to be doing is cracking
on with the job that I was elected to do.
They get to determine a poll on November the seventh,
they get to make that decision. We've got a long
way to go until then. What I hear from them

(37:52):
is the economy, right.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
That's fair. It's fair what you are saying. But there
is also something else which is going on in a heir,
which is, if you go to November the seat with
a number as low as this, you lose twelve of
your MPs. You lose Nikola Willis, you lose Paul Goldsmith.
You start cutting into the muscle of the National Party.
They are not going to stand for it. Your ministers
are not going to stand there on November six and

(38:13):
say that that's all right. They're going to roll you,
aren't They.

Speaker 19 (38:16):
So hit that I have the full support of my
team and my caucus.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Right, But they say to leaders before they roll leaders.
I'm not suggesting they're about to I'm not suggesting they're
about to roll you. But all I am saying is
you cannot take this to the election. You can't go
to the election on a number like this.

Speaker 19 (38:32):
Can you well, I just say to you, that's not
what we're planning to do, and that's not what.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
We are How are you going to lift it?

Speaker 19 (38:40):
Well, what we've got to do is've got to deliver
for the economy, right, I mean that is really what
New Zealanders are telling us. This is the major major
issue here that if I look at my qualitative research,
we look at our quantitative research, what are the biggest
concerns for News Islanders. It's been cost of living in
the economy by a long shot.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
Okay, and the economies on its knees, and the recovery
was already going to be a grind for us this
year with what's going on in Iran. Can you credibly
tell me that this is going to help you out
the selection, because I think I think it's not well.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
I dis agree.

Speaker 19 (39:08):
I think the economy, the economic recovery is underway. You've
seen positive quarterly growth last quarter. You've seen inflation in
the band. You've got ocr down nine cuts in twenty
four months. You've got the consumer confidence the highest it's
been since twenty twenty one. You've got business conference higher
since twenty fourteen, you've got farmer confidence higher since twenty sixteen.
You've even got manufacturing.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Growth in this run stuff you're talking about.

Speaker 19 (39:29):
Yeah, sure, sure here that. But there's one hundred and
nety five countries in the world and eight billion people
and they are all having to navigate the same scenario
that we are. But New Zealand, relative to other countries
in the world, despite the shocks, despite the dramas that
are going on, and the conflicts that are going on,
is in better position than anybody else to navigate all
of that. That is why we have been out and
about making sure we're diversifying, deepening the relationships internationally, opening

(39:51):
up trading opportunities. Most of our focus is in the
Indo Pacific region where most of our business gets done. Yes,
there's uncertainty around this event, Iran, and yes there's risk
around a whole bunch of things, but you know, we
are well prepared, we are well diversified, We've developed relationships
to be able to deal with that, and I think
our relative performance compared to any other country on Earth,

(40:12):
I'd sooner be leading New Zealand than any other place
at this point in time, and I think we can
do really well with it.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
Chris, how are you going to improve your performance, because
your performance and the stuff that we saw on Monday,
fumbling over answers, is what is also dragging the party
vote down.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Yeah, look at that.

Speaker 19 (40:26):
I mean, I think I've freely admitted I'm not a
career politician. I'm not going to always have the perfect,
most tidy SoundBite like someone who's been there twenty years
would do, and I will probably make mistakes and not
get it perfect each and every time. But that's not
what I'm there to do. I'm there to do is
to communicate to the best of my ability, but most importantly,
to drive a team to improve economic outcomes, to create

(40:48):
opportunity for z Islanders. That's what I'm doing. Well, you know,
I mean, I think you know, just think about hither.
We're dealing with a really crappy situation we've inherited, We've
got really volatile global conditions. We're navigating through the economic
challenges we've got. I'm doing it with the coalition partners
as a result, and we've got a team of ministers
that I think are we findessally hard.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
Finally, you're doing I'm doing an admirable job of making
it sound like this doesn't matter. But the fact that
you're on the show talking about it says you know
this matters right.

Speaker 19 (41:13):
Well, it's just that I've been down in Masterton with
Golden Years yesterday. I've been out of my elector and
Botany doing series of events, and I've picked up as
I've come back into finishing my events in Botany. The
whole world seems I've got very exercised about. I'm considering
my future. Reason I'm coming on your show as to
clarify to people, no, I'm not doing that. I'm considering
very deeply the future for New Zealand and nothing's changed

(41:34):
for me. So I appreciate the media may have got
carried away through the course of the day in reacting
to another public poll of which there are many, and
I'm just trying to give some perspective to it and
some balance to it.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
All right, Chris, thank you for coming on the show.
I really appreciate your time, of course, as always, Chris
luxon Prime Minister the quarter past five. Here the look
at how wrong the polls were in Australia and the
UK elections. We are led well by our current Prime
minister to give them a break. That interview just confirms
that Christopher Luxon does need to go. He's a millstone
around national Voter's next hither. I love to hear the

(42:06):
passion and the determination from the Prime Minister. He couldn't
be clearer and frankly it's good to hear him this
fired up and focused. Yeah, I'll get you some more.
We'll come back to this because obviously it's more to
discuss you, including the texts that say it's got to
be Erica Stanford has got to be Mark Mitchell standby
and we'll deal with that shortly. It's nineteen past five.
Evert a little update for you on the ongoing saga

(42:28):
of the Western Springs in Auckland. Auckland Council has now
revealed it wants to upgrade the existing concert Bowl with
capacity for thirty thousand people, while also retaining the Ponsby
Rugby Club. There'll be a vote by the end of
the month. Brent Eccles is a concert promoter with Eccles
Entertainment and with US. Hi Brent, Hey, Gary, I'm well,
thank you. What do you make of this plan?

Speaker 21 (42:47):
Oh, I'm very much involved in this plan. Myself and
Campbell Smith have been talking to counsel about this for
some time. We're very excited about it.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Okay, what do we actually get in this plan?

Speaker 21 (42:58):
Well, Western Springs is really only purpose built music venue
in Auckland, and you know, everyone has a great story
about Western Springs. But the thing is that, you know,
we're not trying to compete with the you know, Eaton Park,
which is fifty thousand people, perfect for your for your
big you know, Elton John's or that that kind of

(43:20):
that kind of artist. But it's more of a it's
more of a younger contemporary kind of idea for around
thirty thousand with a purpose built stage and some some
some VIP infrastructure put in there that's permanent as well,
So it will be a very economical idea for promoters
to use.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
Can we really get away with it for two and
a half million dollars to rape?

Speaker 5 (43:43):
Itu?

Speaker 6 (43:44):
Yes?

Speaker 12 (43:45):
Are you sure?

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Because two and a half million dollars in Wellington only
bought them six toilets.

Speaker 6 (43:50):
Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 21 (43:50):
I have no idea what that's about. But I think
we have a much better line on this. Myself and
Campbell have a lot of experience in the music business
and concerts, and I think we can very easily puts
the facilities in there or develop some some ideas that
are already basically there to make it more economical. So
I'm happy about that. We will work on this for
quite some time now, and I think having the stage

(44:12):
in there permanently also makes it very attractive.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
Yeah, and why is this better than what we were
going to get from the billionaires the purpose built stadium.

Speaker 21 (44:21):
Well, they're going to they're going to pull it down
and put a soccer thing in there when they I
don't know. I think I think a contemporary music being
he was better than a soccer stadium. I don't know.
That's not my game. My game's concert. So I can
see some real value in this.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Brilliant Brent, Thank you very much. Always appreciate your time. Mate.
This is Brent eccles. Who is a concert promoter? Okay,
let's deal next with if it's not Chris Lux and
who on earth? Who on earth is it?

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Speaker 3 (44:56):
Then being Andrew Webster, the coach of the Warriors is
because of course they're playing the rooster tonight, so he's
going to be with us straight after the news. Right now,
it's five twenty four Now re National and its problems, right,
twenty eight point four percent in the polling is a
significant problem for National. It seems to me they have
got four options for how to deal with this an
election year. They can continue with Chris Lucksen, they can

(45:19):
switch out to Chris Bishop, switch out to Erica Stanford,
or switch out to Mark Mitchell. Now I think sticking
with Chris Luction Luxen is a credible option simply because
changing is sitting prime minister eight months out from an
election is an incredibly risky thing to do. It signals instability.
But then again, a labor a leader rather that can't
articulate a simple foreign policy position on whether the New

(45:40):
Zealand supports bombing Iran doesn't really look like that's very
much stability, does it. It knocks confidence in the leader
and his lack of popularity is now clearly dragging National
down in the polls. Here's a drag on the party.
Chris Bishop is good in media interviews. He's not going
to make the same basic mistakes that Chris Luckson does.
He's got very good political radar as well. He's also

(46:01):
I think lefty enough or liberal enough to be able
to be in the Labour Party if he wanted to,
So he's going to have appeal across the spectrum. But
unfortunately for him, he is a street fighter, and everyone
can see that he's a street fighter, and that makes
it kind of struggle for your mum to vote for him,
if you know what I mean. He's also shot his
chances frankly with Caucus after trying to roll Luxon last year,
so they're not going to support him in the role.

(46:22):
Erica Stanford is really well liked publicly, so she's got
some appeal, and she comes from Auckland, which counts for
a lot. She is great in her portfolios, excellent in education,
very good in those interviews, also liberal enough to appeal
to labor and left voters, but she's untested on everything
that a prime minister's got to know. She's great in
interviews on the subject she knows, but have you ever
heard her interviewed on a subject she doesn't know. She

(46:44):
has an instinct to fight dirty as well, which I
don't think is quite as appealing in a female politician,
and she might burn herself out with anxiety and micromanaging.
Mark Mitchell has the cuddly dad appeal. I think that
is by far and away his biggest asset. He is
a nice guy. You can see it. You like him.
He's likable. He's also sure of his own mind, which

(47:05):
I think counts for a lot when you think about
how Luxeon's and decisiveness has hurt him. Problem for Mark
Mitchill is again great in his portfolios. Has he really
been tested in other areas? Is he great on all
of the detail that a prime minister needs to know? Now,
if I had to put my money, if you said
to me, I'm in the National Party, corks and I
have to put my money on what's going to work?
And it's a wild guess, right, no one knows. But

(47:27):
I would say a combo of Erica Stanford and Mark
Mitchell would probably be the way to go. One is
the leader, one is the deputy. But bold call. Whether
I would pull the trigger and do it in an
election year, I'm not sure it is a bold call
to swap out an election year, and it would take
lux in giving himself up for that to happen, because
they are not going to roll him. They want an
orderly handover. And at the moment, as you heard from him,

(47:49):
there is no sign that he is there in his
head just yet. Ever, do for see Allen Right, US
Secretary of Will peak if Pete Higgs seth reckons, it's
about to go level in Iran, So keep an eye
out for that over the weekend that he says the
American firepower is about to surge dramatically. And it seems
to me that this comes down to the UK basically

(48:10):
allowing the United States to use the base in the
Chagos Islands so they can step up their bombardment. Also
another interesting thing to keep an eye on, and this is,
I mean, what he's talking about is going to happen
short term, more medium turn, the Ukrainians are being asked
for their help. I'll give you some numbers later on
in the program. But the Iranians are excellent with their drones,

(48:30):
and of course the Ukrainians are excellent with their drones.
So the Allies want the Ukrainians to come and tell
them how to take down the Iranian drones which are
causing all the trouble anyway, just a reminder Barry Soper
and I'll give you those numbers. But Barry Soper wrapping
the political week later.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
On, cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
It's Heather def Clan drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else news talks.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
They'd bend.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
Heather great interview with Chris. It's an I'm in Luxein's court.
It's all about the economy, stupid. Yeah, that's the problem
because we don't know what's going to happen with the
economy in the next year. Do you know what I
thought occurred to me during the news, which is that
I think that Chris Luxon, I think coming out and
doing that interview might have been the smartest thing that
he did today because this is going to surely this
will shut everything down. Don't you think what's happened For

(49:20):
the last twelve hours we've all been awake and reading
the newspapers. It's just been winding itself up. Started with
the Herald dropping the story this morning what the pole
result was going to be. Everybody started the phones ringing,
the winding each other up, winding each other up, winding
each other up. He's come out. He said, I'm not
going anywhere, and we're always speculating he's thinking about what
he's doing Yetna, No I'm not. And that's put an

(49:41):
end to that. So I think that might be the
smart thing to have done. And I think it basically
puts everybody back in their boxes. What do you think anyway?
Barri's or get Barry Sobers take when he's with us,
he'll wrap the political week that was called a past sex.
Right now, it's twenty four away from.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Six together due for sel So the Warriors.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
Season's about to get underway. Fans are going to be
out in force again tonight in Auckland. They're going to
play the Roosters. Neither side has set the preseason alike.
Both have lost their matches, but the Roosters are rated
is one of the favorites for the title. Warrior's coach
is Andrew Webster.

Speaker 6 (50:10):
Hi, Andrew, Hi, here you going.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
I'm very well, thank you. It was a tough game
for you guys to start the season. Do you reckon?
You can flip them.

Speaker 6 (50:18):
Always confident in our team, always confident in our boys.
But easier you said, than done. But we'll find out tonight,
won't we I'm looking forward.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
You're going to have a huge crowd, right, so that'll
go somewhere to helping.

Speaker 6 (50:30):
Yeah, it always helps. Our fans always a big factor
when we have success home in a way because we
get so many theres. But Mount Smart will be rocking
tonight and I'm sure the boys are going to love it.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
How are you feeling about the team this year in
terms of form given what you've seen in previous years.

Speaker 6 (50:49):
Well, our trials are pretty average, if I'll be honest,
not the standard we wanted. But I feel like it
gave us a real focus on what we needed to
brush up on. That worried me long term, if it
makes sense, But it gave us a real focus and
probably a bit of an edge that we needed, so
that was good. I felt like our trials is very

(51:11):
much we practiced what we wanted to try and get
better at, rather than actually, you know, we're out to
win it, so I think we've got a bit lost
in that. But you know, I reckon if you ask
me for the next five years before round one, I'm
going to say I love this roster because I just
you think, as a coach, I always confident what you've got.

(51:32):
Ye're really looking forward to it with these boys.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
Have you got any interest yet from the Aussie clubs
and Mitch Barnett?

Speaker 6 (51:39):
None that I know, None are spoken to me. I
stay out of those things.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
Do you do you like the idea that has been
pitched of trading him for maybe one or two players.

Speaker 6 (51:49):
I'm on game day here, I'm not.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Not even going here with this thing.

Speaker 6 (51:54):
No, don't ye.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
When is by the way, when's he back?

Speaker 6 (51:59):
I'm not sure yet. I'm not sure, Yed. He's recovering
really well, he's getting closer. He's training with the boys.
He's he's a nightmare to handle it training at the moment,
which is a good thing for the boys and bad
thing as well.

Speaker 9 (52:09):
They've got to tackling.

Speaker 6 (52:10):
So now he's getting a lot closer, So it'd be
good to have him done.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Yeah, and what about Luke metcalf Win's he back?

Speaker 6 (52:16):
He's he'd be pretty you know, probably between round four
and round seven?

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Is I mean it must it must be a bit
of a bit gutting to miss both of these guys
when when you first cack.

Speaker 6 (52:26):
Off, Well, I've had a lot of time to understand it,
know it and also we've got a lot of confidence
in our depth and the people that will be playing.
So yeah, the competitions, competition's good for us. And when
these guys come back, hopefully the other guys make it
make it hard for him. So looking forward, looking forward

(52:47):
to seeing the guys who have been given opportunities, how
they step up brilliant.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Hey listen, good luck tonight, Andrew. I hope you guys
win the game. That's Andrew Weeps to the Warriors coach.
Twenty one away from.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
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Speaker 23 (53:12):
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Cats get into the final.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
There was a board meeting this morning of the New
Zealand Rugby Board and there was a unanimous endorsement of
Da Renny as the new the next head coach of the.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Or Mix Maloney at one time time.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Sports tital of us. This evening, Clay Wilson News Dog
ZB Sport News director and Elliott Smith, Newstalk ZB Rugby
editor Highlands Clay, how do you write the Warriors this.

Speaker 9 (53:52):
Year, I'm the million dollar Christian here Andrew with the
loads coge. You go into you pre season with hope,
but you know, the NRL is such a every year,
such a hard competition to predict. Of course, the sort
of familiar names, your Storms, your Roosters, your Panthers, you
can expect them to be there come the end. But
the rest and the Warriors fit into this bunch, it's

(54:15):
kind of up for grabs. You know. We look at
the Warriors last year. They started with a Round one
something over in Las Vegas and then I think they
won seven of their next eight games or something like that.
You know, so you just got to give it time.
It's the old cliche.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
You've started all pessimistic, like you've already got this one
down as a loss.

Speaker 9 (54:32):
No, well you never, you know, I don't like to
give me get ahead of myself in sport, but especially
when it comes to the Warriors and the NRL, I
think is more to the point you just have to
give it time. But they certainly got the you know,
they've got the players, especially once they get you know,
you spoke about Mitch Bunny and Luke Metcalfe back. Anything's
anything's possible, but you know you've got to you've got

(54:53):
to keep your key players fit and you've got to
be there come the end.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Yeah, Alier, I get the feeling that they are just
quietly smarting about much Barnett, the loss of him and
what the impact of that, and you know, having having
injuries at the start of the season. So just a
bit burnt, isn't it.

Speaker 17 (55:08):
It is a bit yeah, And look, they obviously have
the services of Barnett once he's back from injury, but
there's still that cloud hanging over that he is going
after this season, I think the Warriors will be on
the verge of making the eight. They might be sort
of between seven and ten. I don't think their roster
is as good as Andrew Webster has made it out
to be before when you were chatting to him. I
suppose you're a coach, You've got to talk up your roster.

(55:30):
But the depth will found out. You know last season
when Barnett was injured, when Metcalf was injured, and they
sort of limped into the playoffs. Well, they're going to
start the season without those two again, and they haven't
made any discernible real roster improvements in the off season,
so I see them in the back half of the
eighth and maybe even missing the eighth this season. So

(55:52):
I'm not as confident perhaps as Andrew Webster is. I
think he's a very good coach. I think they've got
a top eight coach. I'm just not sure they've got
a top eight roster.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
Yeah, a fair point. Now, how do you feel clear
about us getting India? I feel like India in the
cricket is the dream.

Speaker 9 (56:06):
Well, certainly the dream. If you win, you know, it
doesn't too much sweeter than beating India and India and
you know we've had success, you know of recent in
terms of Test cricket over there against India and that
was such a special result a couple of years ago.
But I think you look at the favorites coming into
the tournament, especially given India hosting it. But such a
powerful TA twenty team anyway, but I think this is

(56:27):
T twenty cricket and as was proven in the semi final,
the black Caps dominant victory ever South Africa, who came
into that game as the only unbeaten team of the tournament,
we're doing everything right and then they got absolutely demolished
by a team that just played superbly on the day.
So it's a real it's a real coin toss. But
I think, you know, if you want a sweet victory,

(56:49):
if you want a victory that people are going it's
going to make people stand up and take notice, especially
in a nation of what one point however many billion
that a cricket mad then you've got that in India
if you can come out on the right side of
Is there a.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Risk, elliot that we've played our final.

Speaker 17 (57:03):
Possibly look at all clicked in the semi final against
South Africa and they played some really good cricket, bowled
well with a you know, understrength bowling attack, you'd have
to say, and then the Ottening combo came off, which
it hasn't always happened this tournament. Really clicked in for
that one. But I think, you know, the black Caps
were quite happy going in as underdogs. The whole nation
of India, it will be expectant, but India have been

(57:25):
you know, to be honest. South Africa is often painted
as one of the chokers in world cricket. Well, India's
right up there. They lost the fifty over final on
home soil in twenty twenty three. They lost to New
Zealand and the World Test Championship final in twenty twenty one.
They love a good choke, the Indians.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
So I'm excited Elliott that we've got yeh.

Speaker 17 (57:42):
Look, I think the black Caps can get in their heads. Look,
the black Caps aren't the flashiest team in world cricket.
They have got a serviceable sort of bowling attack which
is nothing really to write home about, but they do
their jobs well and look, I think there are chants
on Monday morning. However, having said that, look we saw
how quickly they took the game away against Inland this morning,
making you two fifty to sixty and a tea twenty

(58:04):
game which used to be passcore in fifty over cricket.
If they get going, very very hard to stop.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Yeah, now we're going to have to talk about obviously,
you know, Dave Rennie not like that wasn't the biggest
news in sport for New Zealand. So we'll do that
next sixteen away from six.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
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Speaker 1 (58:22):
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Speaker 3 (58:25):
Just a reminder, the CEO of TV and Zetter is
with us after six to talk us through the results today,
but also the Benedict Collins story thirteen away from six
and You're back with a sports huddle Elliott Smith and
Clay Wilson. Elliott whe they picked Dave Rennie over Jamie Joseph.

Speaker 17 (58:39):
I think the international experience that he's had as a
Tier one nation was the big one in the end.
I've been thinking about this the last couple of days,
since the madness of Wednesday and the appointment and everything
that went around it. But I think ultimately having played
tier one nations more often as a Tier one team,
you know, Rugby Championship for three years, even in COVID

(58:59):
times as Wallabies coach end of year tours, playing the
top teams up there different kettle of fish. Having coach
the Wallabies used to record for Dave. The Wallaby's was
fairly mixed and we know how it all ended for
him there. But I think that experience of having to
face top tier teams week in week out will have
battle hardened Dave Rennie, and more so than Jamie Joseph,

(59:21):
who can point to what he did with Japan at
the twenty nineteen World Cup. But yeah, the all Blacks
is such a relentless business. It's those big games, you know,
week in week out, you don't get a breather really
when you're the All Blacks coach. And I think ultimately
knowing how to get teams up and the rhythms of
a test match rugby season ultimately saw them hand Dave
Renny the job.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
Do you think, Clay, that there is any truth to
the idea that Jamie Joseph is is just going to
sit back and wait to see what happens at the
Rugby World Cup and if it doesn't go, if it
doesn't go Dave Ronnie's way, he's got Tony Brown with
him and then they are a real thing.

Speaker 9 (59:57):
Well yeah, I think so. I mean, he indicated as
much when he sort of publicly spoke for the first
time that he wasn't giving up on ever being the
All Blacks coach, and I think that says a lot.
I mean, and you know, he evidenced what's happened with
Scott Robertson as you know, you just never know what's
going to happen, and I think that's that's true. If
he can you know, he stays in the Highlander's job

(01:00:17):
and then of course, you know the Tony Brown factor,
and I think, you know, to add to Elliott's point
about Dave Rennie's international experience, I do wonder how much
not having Tony Brown available as part of his team
cost Jamie Joseph as well. I always felt that that
was a fact that news on Rugby were really going
to look at it. Win. Jamie Joseph lost or didn't

(01:00:37):
get to Tony Brown to come back, but that kind
of really hurt his chances. But yeah, who knows what happens.
You know, the success certainly isn't guaranteed to Dave Renni.
The All Blacks don't perform at the World Cup like
they're supposed to, and Jamie Joseph is still there, then
you know, a third it might be third time lucky
for him and picking up that job he's always wanted.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
Fair Enough, Elliott is horse racing a thing now for people,
so taking on I don't.

Speaker 17 (01:01:03):
I don't know that it is. Look, I've got a
lot of friends that follow horse racing and watch it regularly,
but it feels like it's it's more the event, it's
the day out and tomorrow is going to be huge
obviously at ad Alurslie and those big events are well
put on by both will coxman team. But I'm not
sure it's browing horse racing fans. I don't know that
people follow the big horses necessarily. They love a dress up,

(01:01:24):
they love putting the suit and dresses, frocks on, whatever
it might be, having a weed flutter. But I'm not
sure that the sport of horse racing is necessarily growing
at a rate. I just think that the events are
so well put on. They're a fun day, you know,
as I say, you get glad rags on, everyone has
an absolute ball and you win some money, you lose
a lot of money, whatever it might be, and everyone

(01:01:46):
has a drink and you go home happy. So I
think that's.

Speaker 9 (01:01:49):
More the thing.

Speaker 17 (01:01:50):
They do very well putting those events on. But I'm
not sure a sport it's growing.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
Yeah, I was trying to figure it out. Play do
you reckon horse racing takes off, because obviously it's related
to the gambling. Does it take off when the economy
is doing well in your flush or when you're poor
and you're trying to make some money when you haven't.

Speaker 9 (01:02:04):
Got any well, they would kind of go against the
current tream and given how the economy is at the moment,
wouldn't it there something like this is going. But I
tend to agree with Elliott. I just think, you know,
people the horse racing industry are the people in that
industry are very passionate and I too know people that
are interested and in that industry. But I think it's

(01:02:25):
you know, it's more niche for them as opposed to
the real nuts and bolts of the horse racing as such,
where these big events that you know, you think about,
you know, the Melbourne Cup, across the Ditch, the New
Zealand Cup day of course down in christ which is
always a hugely well tended and well enjoyed event, and
I think this kind of fits in the same category.
They've clearly thrown a lot of money at this in
terms of making it a spectacle for prize money, and

(01:02:47):
they're going to put on an amazing day at others
leap of punters to go along and have a great time.
But it is it is to me for people outside
of the industry any just to just to you know,
you pick one or two a year and you go
along and you get through stuff, and you you know,
you have a good old good old time.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
And then are you still doing this, Clay, No.

Speaker 9 (01:03:05):
No, no, no, well well not not not that often anyway,
you know, but I think I think a lot of
people just you know, get that kind of maybe it
is something that you know, they save a bit of
save a couple hundred dollars and go along and they
know they're going to make some or.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
Lose it all.

Speaker 9 (01:03:21):
What will be will be?

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
Guys, good to chat to you. Thank you very much appreciated.
Clay Wilson and Elliott Smith. Our sport huddle this evening
eight away from six.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
It's the Heather Duper see Allen Drive Full Show podcast
on my Art Radio powered by News Talk z' be.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Heather, can we cancel the emergency Huddle? Luxe and just
answered the yes, No, we can, we can, we can.
The emergency huddle was eclipsed by Luckson's emergency appearance, so
that the emergency huddle is absolutely been canceled. Actually, but
on that subject, possibly my favorite contribution to the national
poll disaster story was Winston, who just gave a straight
assessment of how bad it actually is.

Speaker 11 (01:03:56):
Those of us are not of the National Party on
this manner, on the outside.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
Of it's not good. No, And then he piped up
with who he thought was doing quite well in the
National Party ministerial lined up lineup.

Speaker 7 (01:04:09):
I think that Jessica Stanford has done a good job.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
I would you say so?

Speaker 7 (01:04:12):
Otherwise she's got back to the fundamentals and the basics.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
If you're wondering who Jessica Stanford, maybe it's possibly Erica
her alter ego.

Speaker 24 (01:04:22):
They both ended Eka, don't they.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
So enough, that's the smoking gun's close enough and the
gender was correct, so that counts for a lot. These
are the numbers that I was going to give you.
This is where Iran has something of an upper hand
where it comes to, you know, the munitions and stuff.
They are, as I told you earlier, doing heaps damage
with the drones, the Shahad drone. This thing costs them
every time they launched one of those little drones and
it blows something up. It's only about thirty three thousand

(01:04:46):
New Zealand dollars, which is in terms of what is
being spent minuscule. Every time the Brits, for example, fire
and missile it costs them about four hundred and fifty
thousand dollars, So four hundred and fifty thousand dollars is
what is that? It's like twelve thirteen, fourteen times what
these guys in Iran a spending. I'm not very good

(01:05:07):
with maths, so I one hundred percent got that wrong,
but you get the gist of it right. It's a
lot more than what the Iranians are spending on what
they're firing. Just really quickly. On Andrew Little, I don't
know about you, but the more I see of the sky,
the more impressed I am. And now that he's the
mayor of Wellington City Council, he's taking the scalpel to
the spending because their rates increase was going to be
about twelve point seven percent this year, and so he

(01:05:29):
convened a group after his election and said, you've got
to find ways to cut the spending. They put their
recommendations out today. It includes cutting the council's climate budget
by one point sixty five million dollars, reducing its consultant
budget by six hundred thousand dollars and selling some of
the cars to save two million dollars. There's some other stuff,
bringing in traffic management and house putting up fees for

(01:05:50):
US best doss disposal and so on. But if they
adopt all of those recommendations, the rates increase will go
from twelve point seven percent down to seven point four
percent in the upcoming year, and I think a lot
of people will be happy to see a reduction that big.
Jody O'donald TVNZ's chief chief executive with us next on
the reports and the Benedict Collins story, News talksb.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
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Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
B even in coming up in the next hour, Barry
Soper on whether the Prime Minister talking to us an
hour ago has done what's needed to shut this down.
Peter Lewis on the economic impact of the Iran war
and that's around the world, and then Gavin gray Is
with US out of the UK seven past six. So
a decent half year result for TV and Z. It's
announced a two point four million dollar net after tax profit,

(01:06:52):
but warned the full year will be a loss because
of a big investment in the online platform. It follows
other media companies nzed ME and sky TV also hosting
positive results of the TV as chief executive is Jody
o'donald Hi, Jodi Hi, Heather. So, revenue was down twelve
percent on last year, which is reasonably significant. What's happened?

Speaker 25 (01:07:09):
Yeah, Well, look, I think it's pretty obvious that the
economy has been really challenged, but not just that, particularly
in the broadcasting space, we've got the global tech titans
that are still continuing to take more.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
And more of our AD revenue.

Speaker 25 (01:07:20):
So what I think is most important is that, like
all households sweeping really disciplined, we've made sure that our
costs have reduced by that amount so that we're also.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
Able to deliver a net profit today. Do you see
it bouncing back up? Or is this just a for
everything it just keeps on trending down AD revenue.

Speaker 25 (01:07:34):
I actually do see it bouncing back up, and what
I mean by that is we're starting to see some
results come through for January and February which are much
stronger than what we had expended. And ironically, there's been
that real return to TV as well as continuing to
deliver our revenue growth.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
What do you mean there's been a return to TV?

Speaker 25 (01:07:49):
Our return to TV for marketers that are really interested
in supporting campaigns back on TV again, and I think
with FEFE, well, I think with a FIFA World Cup
in Joan, we've sold out all of a packages and
I think lots of the brands are starting to think
about what their campaigns will be as they build up
to fever.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
Is it TV in general or is it the big events?

Speaker 25 (01:08:08):
Well, look, the big events is what drives people to
obviously watch television and consume content. But you know, it's
also the fact we've had huge news stories and weather
events this year, and that does just drive people to
consume more media.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
You've obviously got your tempering expectations for the full year report,
which is going to be a loss because you're putting
heaps of money into the online platform. Does this mean
that you are going to do another round of cuts
of programs and stuff.

Speaker 25 (01:08:32):
No, this is a planned decline that we will see
at the full year, So, like I said, we had
planned for it, so it's not a surprise, and we're
on track to spend our investment. In fact, we'll be
spending less than what we thought we had, so from
our stability of people perspective, we don't see any changes
in that space.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
How much money are you putting into the online platform.

Speaker 25 (01:08:50):
We're not sharing that at the stage. It is commercially sensitive,
but it is a once in a lifetime opportunity that
we have saved for over the last couple of years
to ensure that we can sleep forward as data driven,
digital first business that's really sustainable for all Newsalanders. How
are you going for some of that Warner Brothers content
that Sky's let go of. Look, I think it's a
really interesting time right now. There's lots of partnership opportunities

(01:09:13):
out there, and when we launch our new TVNZ Plus platform,
which is next month, then what that does is it
allows us to partner better with other content providers, So
we're always looking at content. It certainly is an opportunity
for us because we're interested in co exclusive content as well.
So we often have content on our platform that also
is housed on other platforms, and we just want to

(01:09:34):
make it as easy for New Zealanders to watch the
shows they love.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
Now, listen, what made you get involved in the Benedict
Colins story.

Speaker 25 (01:09:40):
Look, I'm c I tvn Z, but also i'm editor
in chief, so my role is to maintain editor or
standards and from time to time I will go and
talk to newsleaders about content that plays out if I
think there is something that they need to review from
a fact and accuracy or a balanced perspective, and in
this case, I felt like there was, so I.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
Did go to what was your problem with the story?

Speaker 25 (01:10:03):
When I looked at the story, whilst it was of
national interest and it was correct in all facts, it
did lack some balance in the fact that there was
other information that wasn't included in that. So when I saw,
like the crime stats that had come out that day,
like the thing that everyone else was reporting on, so
I think it's important that I raised that from an

(01:10:23):
editorial standards perspective. And look, the news team had already
identified it, they were reviewing it. But that is where
my independence is, and the newsroom made the decision to
obviously broadcast the second story.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
Is this a Benedict with Is this a Benedict with
bias problem or is this a reflection of what's going
on in your newsroom and the bias in there.

Speaker 25 (01:10:42):
There is no bias in our newsroom, to be clear.
So not only do we run and your reports, but
we're regularly reviewing all of our news. We get a
lot of complaints from things about what our presenters were
right down to very very small, minor things. So it's
an ongoing review for us, and we hold.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
Ourselves to a really high stand So do you really
believe there's no bias in your newsroom at all?

Speaker 25 (01:11:03):
I do believe that we have very high standards around
what we do, and you know we need to make
sure that we keep to those standards.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
Look, do you not even think that there is bias
in the story selection? Like there will be entire stories
that run through the news gamut in this country that
one News dot co dot m Z and the newsroom
doesn't even touch. Isn't that a form of bias.

Speaker 25 (01:11:23):
We've got a lot of platforms that we can broadcast
our news stories on. So it might not be in
six pm, but I can guarantee you it'll be on
one News dot Co or it'll be a clip on
our news website on TVNZ plus. So the stories are
in all of our ecosystems. They might not necessarily be
in six pm, but they might be in another part
of the news day.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
How involved are you prepared to get in this if
it starts to get like if it starts if you
guys start to come under real pressure on bias. I'm
just assuming are you prepared to get really, you know,
like involved.

Speaker 25 (01:11:52):
Well, just to be clear, the newsroom has editorial independence
that's enshrined in the TVs IT Act. So my role
is to maintain standards. So as in we're I think
I need to step in.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
I will. How much is this on your radar as
news bosses? Are you watching out for this in particular
at the moment?

Speaker 25 (01:12:07):
It has been on my radar at least for the
last twenty four months. Well, firstly, it's been something that
globally news and trust in news has been really challenged,
So not just in New Zealand, but across the world
with a geopolitical environment that's only heating up, and I'm
well aware it is an election there this year, so
there will be more opportunities for us to make sure
that we hold ourselves to a really high standard.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
I can't let the opportunity go by without saying Happy
birthday to Country Calendar. Happy birthday, Country, Are you doing
anything special for Country Calendar? Look? Do you know what?

Speaker 25 (01:12:36):
There is some amazing content that we've dug out from
the archive, and so all of our viewers will be
able to watch that over the coming weeks. But you know,
it's sixty years old and it is still the second
most watch program, which I just think is remarkable and
New Zealanders continue to love to watch.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
Up True, Jody, thank you so much. As always, thank
you very much for coming in as well. It's Jody
o'donald TV and z's chief executive and it's thirteen past six.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
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Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
Right, I'm going to get you some of the Texas
coming through right now on TV and Z News's Bias First.
It's sixteen pass six and Barry Soper, our senior political correspondent,
obviously raps the political week that was at this time
during the week. Welcome back, Barry.

Speaker 9 (01:13:31):
Thank you.

Speaker 14 (01:13:31):
Heather.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
I think that he is safer because he front footed
it today. What do you think you're talking about, Chris Luxon?
He is there anything else to talk about in politics.

Speaker 10 (01:13:43):
So yeah, look, I think he did well coming on
your program, and I found the interview really interesting. You
didn't lay off, you laid into him a bit. But
what he did I think well, and I haven't heard
him talk like this for some He explained himself so articulately,

(01:14:04):
very clear to the point, and certainly talked about polls.
And I found his take on opinion polls and I've
heard them many times from politicians over the years, and
the validity of polls. I thought his take on it
was quite well. And I think even the tone of
his voice would suggest to me there's no pressure on

(01:14:26):
him to bugger off at the stage, and you know,
I don't think there will be. It's been my feeling
all along. I mean this man that I've never seen
a person come into politics into the prime Minister's chair
in such a short time. If he was doing an apprenticeship,
he'd just be a journeyman. Now five years he's been

(01:14:47):
in the place, and you know, to be able to
articulate the way he does, I think he does pretty well.
A lot of people say he's too verbose over talks.
My problem with him is he aren't too many questions
that many politicians will tell the journalists to bugger off.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
Okay, So he has got to though, it's going to
be a long eight months to the election unless the
polls improve, which means and I know it's you know,
you can't be sure the polls will improve. And so
what he's got to do is he has got to
ask for the next eight months his own MPs and
National Party voters and the media to believe that the
polls are wrong. Is that going to work?

Speaker 10 (01:15:26):
Well, you know, we're assuming that the polls are going
to be exactly the same between now and the election.
I mean the National Party must have they must have
I don't know, been shocked beyond belief when Donald Trump
invaded and Netanyahu invaded Iran, because you know, the invasion

(01:15:51):
in the Middle East effects New Zealand. It affects us
to the extent of oil. So will be paying more
at the petrol pump. What are people blame when they
pay more at the petrol pump? They blame the government.
But I would just hope that the New Zealand public
look beyond that and say that here was an economy
and it's teetering now on turning the corner. There are

(01:16:14):
a lot of green shoots. If you look at tourism
in particular, wine sales abroad, exports are excellent. At the moment,
you know, the country is looking better and it's again
getting a mood going.

Speaker 23 (01:16:28):
Now.

Speaker 10 (01:16:28):
If Chris Luxen can be himself like he was earlier
or tonight, if he can be himself, then I think
the public may see another side of christ.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
Okay, do you think can we put this one down
to the media getting way too excited?

Speaker 10 (01:16:42):
Oh? Totally.

Speaker 7 (01:16:44):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:16:44):
I think the fact that the Prime Minister was out
of contact after this pole, well, when this pole came out,
he is at the Golden Chairs and the wire rapp
who is out in his own Botany electorate, and it's
fair for him to say, well, he wasn't aware.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
Why this is not the media getting getting too excited. Yeah, sure,
because I think this is being driven by some mischief
making that's going on. But also there are people in
the National Party who are taking calls from media and
making this worse.

Speaker 10 (01:17:12):
Well, I've talked to a number in the National Party
as well, and the ones that I've talked to, and
they're very senior in the National Party, have been one
hundred percent behind Chris Luxen. So they're not getting panicked,
they're not getting frightened by this. I guess, like you've
pointed out, there are twelve people that could lose their

(01:17:33):
job if this poll is translated into the election night numbers.
I don't think for the life of me it will be.
And even if there is, certainly that those people would
lose their seats, Like you said, Nikola Willis, Chris Bishop
is he in.

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
Chris Bishop is in a seat, in an electorate seat.
But it's hut to remember it's exactly it's a swing seat.

Speaker 10 (01:17:56):
Well that's a big problem.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
So he could be gone, Nichola could be gone. Paul Goldsmith, Gigigon.

Speaker 10 (01:18:01):
Yeah, the backbone of the National Party at the moment.
But look, I think they know, and they are relatively
skilled politicians, they'll know that on one pole does not
an election.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
Make Yeah, Barry, thank you very much, as always, Barry Soper,
our senior political correspondent, rapping the political week. That was
just really quickly. I told you about the Iranian women's
football team playing in the World Cup over in Australia
at the moment. They sang their national anthem last night,
which is not what they did on Monday, and it
would appear that the reason that they did it on Monday,
they were looking very happy about the attacks, standing there

(01:18:34):
smiling all of a sudden silently, now they're singing why
because Iranian State Television labeled them dishonorable, accused them of betrayal,
and then also called for them to be dealt with
more severely. Get you those texts on bias next six
to twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
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Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
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Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
Dog ZV here that everyone has a bias TV and
zaid as well as how they minimize it. That needs
to happen. TV ins at are being naive if they
think that the bias doesn't affect them. Hither. TV one
is absolutely biased towards labor in the Greens. Hither, thank
God for giving me such a good laugh. TV and
Z not biased. That's classic here to tell the CEO
she's dreaming, TV ands it is biased. Hither. If Bennett
Collins is not biased, then I'm mother Teresa, So please

(01:19:23):
contact me. Should you require the odd miracle. Now why look,
I disagree with Jody and I like Jody a lot,
but I disagree with her. I think that there is
a bias. But why she can say that there isn't
a bias with such conviction is that they've had a
review done and the review has found that there's no bias.
So they had a guy who is a former Australian
news executive who used to work His name is Alan Sunderland,

(01:19:45):
used to work at ABC, SBS so on. They had
him come in and watch one news for a week
and then then tell them what's going wrong. He only
found minor issues. He identified two stories where he considered
that TV and Z could have explored a wider diversity
of views. Did Toode one story where he would have
liked to have seen TV ns it's coverage examine the
impact of the issue on different communities within New Zealand.

(01:20:07):
He identified that there were one or two stories across
the course of the week which he described as underdone
in the circumstances, three stories where he considered there could
have been deeper coverage, and then he spoke about the
role of presenters and ensuring a partiality and clear distinction
between fact and opinion. That's fine, and I'm sure that
he knows what he's talking about and he's done a
good job. But I want to know whether he looked

(01:20:27):
at what TV in Z was covering and what they
were not covering, because I think that that is turning
into one of the bigger problems in the media, where
you have media going no, we're not going to cover
Do you remember do you remember a few weeks ago
there was the story that came out about how there
were members of the public service who got special cultural
leave if they were a certain ethnicity, and nobody else

(01:20:48):
was allowed to have this indefinite leave. That's a story
basically nobody covered. You don't cover that story that spias
so as much as what is on the screen is important,
what is not on the screenism And I'm not sure
if he looked that deeply. Six twenty six.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
Yeah, she did it again. She's had a run in
with the law again. She was arrested as Brittany by
the way, She was arrested overnight on suspicion of driving
while intoxicated. The cops didn't take her to jail. They
took it to hospital to have her blood tested for substances.
It's been a rough few years for her. She's only
just got out of the conservativeship, which saw her lose
control of her finances and day to day's schedule for
fourteen years. And just because she's no longer being controlled,

(01:21:32):
it doesn't mean she's been doing that well. Fans have
been keeping a close eye on her for some weird
posts on Instagram, like filming herself dancing with knives and
admitting to almost burning her house down. So you know, TMZ,
the vultures that they are have already up dug up
the dispatch audio black.

Speaker 15 (01:21:49):
Fans theoretic breaking, serving and driving with no fairly.

Speaker 16 (01:21:53):
Before I got on.

Speaker 22 (01:21:54):
Then there's Donakooner my words telling a one from Marine Kilrod.

Speaker 3 (01:21:59):
I like, I don't know about you. I didn't get
a lot out of that other than Brittany was in
trouble anyway. They've also reported that there was an unknown
substance found in her car. She was kept at the
hospital overnight, released the next morning. She's going to appear
in court on the fourth of May May the fourth.
May the fourth be with her when we should know

(01:22:21):
some more details, but obviously Britney has been here before
and it is exactly what led to her being put
under and what actually led to her being under the
Conservative ship. So while it's juicy, obviously we do wish
her well in her recovery. But an important thing to
know is even if you're Britney Spears, you can't get
away with dumb stuff like this, can you. There's a
life lesson. Peter Lewis is going to be this out

(01:22:43):
of Hong Kong next and talk us through the global
fallout economically of what's going on in Iran. News talks
that'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
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Heather Duplicy Allen and Mas Insurance and investments, Your futures
in good.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
Hands news talks that'd be.

Speaker 18 (01:23:11):
That is coming.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
Please don't good party like this business with the MP's
partner in the UK spying for China allegedly has got
even worse for the MP. The MP has now resigned
the labor whip one and investigation internally is carried out.
Gavin Gray, our UK correspondent, will be with us in
ten minutes time on that also. Would you question for
you which if somebody said to you, By the way,
the answer my answers are hard no on this. But

(01:23:37):
if somebody said to you, would you release release your
AI logs so I can see what you've been up
to on chat GPT, would you? No, I'm not releasing
it because then you're going to know how Banalma questions are. Anyway,
Eric A. Stanford did, So we're going to talk about
that in a minute. Stand by twenty three away from
seven Now Peter Lewis Asia Business correspondent is with us. Hello, Peter,

(01:24:00):
Hell of their heather. How the market's looking after the
around conflict is widened?

Speaker 26 (01:24:05):
Well today a little bit calmer, But it's been a
very very rocky week for Asian markets in particular. In fact,
maybe the thing that's a little bit surprising for investors
is that its markets in Asia that have really taken
it on the chin, far worse than what we've seen,
for example in the US. The big market that suffered
the most is South Korea. Stocks in South Korea crashed

(01:24:28):
twelve percent in just one day earlier this week and
then rebounded nine percent the next day, but it left
them down about on the week about eighteen percent or so.
Now to be fair, South Korea has had a phenomenal year.
Its stock market is up was up almost fifty percent
up until the weekend, because it's the market is full

(01:24:51):
of these AI type companies, semiconductor companies like Samsung Electronics
and sk Heinix. But the worry for markets out here
in Asia is just how much the economies are dependent
upon oil and other forms of energy transporting through either Iran,

(01:25:12):
the Straits of Hormuz, or the Golf in general. And
if you look at the markets that were worst hit,
it's no coincidence that it correlates with those markets that
have the biggest dependency. So for example, South Korea about
seventy two percent of its energy needs come through the
Middle Eastern area. For Japan it's over ninety percent. That

(01:25:34):
was another market that was hit hard this week. The
biggest faller in Southeast Asia was Thailand. Its stock market
dropped about six percent in just one day, and Thailand
has about seventy percent of its energy needs coming through
the Middle East. China as well also quite dependent on
the Middle East, although it does have large amounts of stockpiles.

(01:25:58):
So the real problem fors in the region here is
they just have no idea how long this is going
to continue for. And I think at the beginning of
the week, maybe the hope was this will be a short,
sharp shock that will be over quite quickly. It would
drive up oil prices, but that would be temporary and
everything will come back to normal fairly soon. As the

(01:26:21):
week has proceeded, it's becoming more and more clear that
that isn't the case. There are worries that really the
US Donald Trump just doesn't have an endgame at the moment,
and this could go on for many weeks, maybe even
many months, and keep oil prices elevated for a long
period of time.

Speaker 3 (01:26:39):
Yeah, and so what we're expecting from this is just
a wave of inflation.

Speaker 26 (01:26:43):
That's that's the big fear. Every sort of one percent drop, sorry,
every every twenty percent drop in some sorry one percent
drop in supplies pushes prices up by about four percent.
So if this goes on sort of week after week,
the big fear is that this is going to drive

(01:27:04):
up inflation globally and also drive down global economic growth,
and as a result, will end up in this stagflationary environment,
which will make it almost impossible for the central banks
like the FED to cut interest rates in the way
that Donald Trump hopes, and maybe in the worst case scenario,

(01:27:24):
they will have to raise interest rates to deal with
this stagflationary environment. And we've already had warnings about that
from some central banks, for example the Reserve Bank of
Australia Michelle Bulloch. There, the governor has already warned that
the next move is likely to be up in interest rates.

Speaker 25 (01:27:45):
Gavin, it's good to talk to you. I really appreciate it.
And here's hoping none of this comes to pass. But
you know, fingers crossed. Peter Lewis, Oh, sorry, called to Gavin.
Gavin's the next Peter Lewis Asia Business correspondent out.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
Of Hong Kong, thank you, AND's correctedly, Lord above, we'll
put it down to baby brain. Can I put how long?
Can I put things down to baby brain? For reckon?
At least the first five years of the second baby
as well, So I got four years to go. Now,
this is what Erica Stanford's been up to. Okay, So
newsroom wanted to know what four different ministers have been
doing on chat GPT and wanted to have the logs released.

(01:28:16):
The only one who agreed to release the logs was
Erica Stanford. She says she's only used AI once. Whatever,
No one's only used AI once, but whenever, so she
said it was to assist with writing a speech she
delivered in New York, San Francisco, and LA promoting the
Active Investor plus visa. She told chat gipt, what do
I She didn't want to write notes for yourself. She

(01:28:40):
told chat gpt to write a speech that began with
the lyrics to six months in a leaky boat in
order to bisplit ends, by the way, in order to
show that New Zealand was more accessible than ever ALTI
or a rugged individual. How does it go after that?
But does that show that we're more accessible than I
don't know anyway? Whatever she had an she wrote to

(01:29:01):
chat GPT, I have to give a speech as a
Minister of Immigration in New York tomorrow, skipping out an
O tom row. It's two potential American investors who might
ve interested Capital I in our golden visa, which is
called rare active plus visa where they have to invest
tenor or capital five million. I want them to capital

(01:29:24):
T leave thinking this is an amazing country. Capital C.
It's far away from randomly capitalizing the m the world's
no apostrophe problems, but still connected and close. I want
to sounds smart and inspirational. This is why, two reasons,
and then she refined it don't see how it shows

(01:29:49):
that we're connected anyway. This is the two reasons why
if anybody asks you to release your chat gpt logs
you say no. Number one because you're generally using it
in a rush, and you are going to end up
saying want to sounds smart and inspirational, undoubtedly not making
you sounds smart and inspirational, and the people are gonna
take the mickey out of you, and it's not fair
because you were doing it in a rush. Number two,

(01:30:09):
because it's it's a tool. Why are we turning chat
gpt into something weird? It's basically the equivalent nowadays of
asking Erica Stamford to release her Google logs? Would you
do that?

Speaker 1 (01:30:19):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:30:19):
So don't you bloody business So putting that one in
the bin and we're not never asking for it again.
Seventeen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
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Speaker 3 (01:30:41):
That'd be Yeah, the One News is not mentioned Today's
Poul Mikey Sherman must be seething. And actually, do you
know what I have been. I've been watching the news,
the One News on silent and I've noticed it because
I've been waiting to see if they have covered it.
They haven't covered it. So if we're talking about bias,
then we'd have to say, what is this proof of
because it's a bad story for National. One News hasn't
covered it. So in this case they're not going hard

(01:31:03):
or national. They have unfortunately obviously missed the biggest political
news off the day, but you know that's their decision.
Thirteen away from seven, Geven Gray UK correspondenters with us
lo Gevin. Hi there, okay, So what's happening with the
Brits trying to get out of the Middle East.

Speaker 20 (01:31:18):
Yeah, there's been some success he overnight our time. The flight,
the first charted flight by the government to bring back
Britain stranded in the Middle East, has now arrived amid
emotional scenes at the airport. It was scheduled to leave
Oman's capital Muscat the day earlier twenty four hours earlier,
but there were some technical issues. Now it's interesting the

(01:31:38):
government was saying technical issues. Some of the passengers who
were on board waiting to take off and then told
couldn't were told it was because the pilot was out
of hours, in other words, couldn't carry on working as
he'd been on a continuous shift for too long. So
it took off twenty four hours late. A little bit
embarrassing for the government. We are behind the curve, it
would appear, compared to some other European countries on trying

(01:31:59):
to get their nationals out of the Middle East. More
than one hundred and forty thousand Britains in the region, though,
have registered for updates from the UK government, in other words,
registering really to say, look, I'm here and I would
be interested to know if other flights are taking off,
and it is the government's intention to do some more flights. However,

(01:32:21):
about twelve hours ago, a plane sent by France to
Dubai to repatriate its citizens reportedly had to turn back
because of missile fire. So it is a very unstable
situation in that region, difficult for the governments to organize,
but certainly at least dripp now drip drip grip of
people trying to get back to the UK are now arriving.

Speaker 3 (01:32:42):
Kevin, how long is this internal investigation into the labory
inp read the Chinese spying going to take.

Speaker 20 (01:32:49):
Oh, that could take many, many months. So three people
have been arrested. Police are saying in connection or in
allegations of spying. Now they were simply saying three men,
and we're being told that one is the husband of
an MP, and the other men have both spent time
as political advisors, one as a Welsh Government special adviser

(01:33:10):
and one as a Labor Press office. Labor is currently
the party of our government here. All three have been
bailed to a date in May and inquiries are ongoing.
That's why this will hang around for a long time now.
In the last few hours, the politician who is married
to one of the three, the Member of Parliament Jonie Reid,

(01:33:31):
said she's voluntarily suspending herself from the Labor party while
this investigation is carried out. Her husband is a businessman
and former Labor advisor, and the MP for East Kilbride
and strath Haven that's in Scotland, said she was not
personally under investigation by police. And had done nothing wrong,

(01:33:52):
but said she would not sit as a Labor MP
until the probe is being concluded and therefore will be
an independent member of the House of Commons while the
whip has been suspended. In other words, the organization for
the Labor Party about how to vote on certain issues.
She said she was in fear of becoming a distraction
for the government and also said it was to protect

(01:34:12):
her children from intrusion. But an extraordinary claim, an extraordinary
investigation by the police that will, as I said, sometime
take some time to resolve.

Speaker 5 (01:34:22):
Hey, how did this.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
Police sergeant trick people into thinking that they were working?

Speaker 20 (01:34:27):
This was an extraordinary story that's just been coming to light.
She's from Avon and Somerset Police down in the west
of England, and she was at home pretending to be
at working from home as it were, and she rested
a picture frame to weigh down her laptop keyboard in

(01:34:47):
order to give the false impression that she was working
from home. She used the trick, it was said on
a majority of shifts worked in April and May last year,
so she used the corner of the frame to weigh
down a full of keys so that her laptop wouldn't
go into the sleep mode. The investigation showed that the
data used by the Forces Professional Status Department showed the

(01:35:10):
officer's keystrokes were significantly high and much higher, three to
eight times higher than colleagues in a similar role.

Speaker 3 (01:35:17):
In other words, it wasn't her.

Speaker 20 (01:35:19):
Lack of action which got her into trouble in the end,
it was the fact that actually there were too many
key strokes for the croll that she was doing, caused
by that picture frame on her laptop.

Speaker 3 (01:35:29):
Oh that's very good. I love that, Thank you very much.
Kevin Kevin Gray are UK corresponding? Just to go back
to the TV and ZEN poll thing. To be fair
to TV and z in, they have a policy and
it used to be the case and probably still is
that they don't cover other people's polls because they've got
their own poll So any other poll that happens out
there the managers to make the news does not appear
on TV and z IN. Now, I probably wouldn't have

(01:35:50):
stuck with that policy today. If I was one of
the bosses, I might have just gone with You know,
the Prime Minister is under the speculation about the Prime
Minister's leadership and run that as a story. But anyway,
it is what they've done. It may go some way
at least to explain why it wasn't on the news.

Speaker 10 (01:36:04):
Just quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:36:05):
Do you remember we talked a few weeks back with
DIA Department of Internal Affairs about banning Polymarket and Calshi,
the two websites where people are able to go and
bet on basically anything. One of those websites is refusing
to pay out re Commany's death. So people had waged
about fifty four million US dollars that the Ayatolla would

(01:36:26):
be out before April one this year. Cals She is
refusing to pay out, justifying it by saying the site
doesn't allow transactions directly tied to death, but they're happy
to take the bets apparently.

Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
Eight away from seven, it's the Heather Top c Allen
Drive Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by newstalg ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:36:48):
I need to tell you the EU. I don't know.
I would have probably put the EU if I had
a choice. If I was the UK. The EU lawmakers
have decided that they will go ahead and ban meat
names from plant based food, so there are thirty one
meat related names not allowed anymore. Including bacon. Like if
you've got plant based bacon, if you're trying to do facon,
you know, facn bacon. Not allowed to call it bacon,

(01:37:09):
Bacon's gone, can't pretend it's beef. Can't call it anything chicken,
no drumstick, no loin, no ribs, no steak, no t bone,
no wing, thirty one of them. But you are allowed
to say veggie sausage or veggie burger or something like that.
So that's a good reason not to be part of it.
When people start tying themselves up and dumb things like that,
you don't want to be part of it.

Speaker 24 (01:37:29):
Ants, well, I tell you, and I don't want them
to do more. But if they've left boneless chicken wings
as a thing that exists as well, it's very inconsistent
to suddenly draw a hard line on facon but then
also allow you to call a chicken nugget a boneless
chicken wing, because that is what a boneless chicken wing is.

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
But anymore so, are you saying there's a discrepancy here.
We've got actual chicken.

Speaker 24 (01:37:47):
Yeah, but now you're pretending, well, well, a boneless chicken
wing is clearly not a boneless chicken wing. So if
we're suddenly getting probably are breast Yeah, well exactly. So
if we're suddenly getting all strict on naming and stuff,
I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:37:57):
We send that to the EU ants. We'll tie them
up for five weeks.

Speaker 24 (01:38:01):
I'll get on the phone upon the line right after this. Yeah,
welcome to the Jungle by Guns and Roses to play
us out. Not very good news. They are going to
be coming back to New Zealand. They will be playing
one show. It will be at Eden Park in Auckland
on December seventeenth, at the tail end of their Australian tour.
Current lineup Axel Rose on vocals and keyboards and slashes
their two on League guitars, Duff McKagan, the founding Bassis

(01:38:23):
Dizzy Reed and Militaries on keys, Richard Fortus on rhythm
guitar and Isaac Carpenter on drums.

Speaker 5 (01:38:27):
Should be a good show.

Speaker 3 (01:38:29):
Tend that you're into Guns n' Roses.

Speaker 24 (01:38:31):
I don't even know if I pronounced you need those
names correctly.

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
Heather, Yeah, but you just it's just a rock band
you've heard of.

Speaker 24 (01:38:36):
It is a rock band I've heard. I know this
is a song that they sing as well.

Speaker 3 (01:38:39):
I know you've heard the song. Probably thank you as
for at least for joining the rest of us for
one hot minute and being reasonably excited about Jula Concert
Club's definitely going for sure, you're going to get loose
that night.

Speaker 27 (01:38:52):
I reckon see You're on Monday and News to Ziba.

Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
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