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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's Heather Duplicy.

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Allan drive with one New Zealand and the power of
satellite mobile. The news talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
Good afternoon, welcome to the show coming up today. Oh
it's a rogue pole, is it?

Speaker 4 (00:16):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Former Labour Party leader David Candlif will explain why it
is that Labour's fallen solow that they're calling it a
rogue pole. Road Carriers Association on Shane Jones killing off
any hope of any new big roads anytime soon, and
the warriors have called in Luke Metcalfe will have a
chat to Tony Kemp about that.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Heather Duplessyl, Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
What to make of Shane Jones's prediction last night that
the days of building big roads are over. He was
at this infrastructure debate in Wellington and he said, and
I quote, I personally don't see ever another four lane
highway being built in New Zealand in my lifetime. The
politicians are going to struggle to justify the cost.

Speaker 5 (00:51):
Now.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
He can't be right because Mill Road is supposed to
be four lanes. Mill Road is incredibly necessary. This is
the road that runs south of Auckland, basically parallel with
the motorway. It's crucial to getting commuters in and out
of the city if we want to help them get
in and out of the city faster, especially given how
much development is currently going on in the Franklin district
in Piata and Dreary south of Auckland. That road is

(01:13):
supposed to be being built right now. If he is
right that no four lane highways will be built in
his lifetime, and I give him another he's about sixty six,
I give him another twenty five years or so.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
If he's right that no other four lane highways are
going to be built in the next twenty five years
or so, it means we're going to be disappointed yet
again by Mill Road, like all the other roads of
national significance, being downgraded into two lanes, which basically means
one lane headed north, one lane heading south. Either that
or it's not going to be built at all. Four
lane highways, by the way, are not flash a They're

(01:45):
not extravagant. We should be able to afford them. The
fact that we have another politician who is supposed to
be all about supporting infrastructure giving up on roads again
says clearer than ever that we have a problem here.
And the problem is not that four lane highways are unaffordable.
It's that we are spending too much money in the
wrong places if we can't afford them. We spend way
too much. I don't know if you realize this. We

(02:06):
spend way too much on entitlements, just giving money to beneficiaries,
giving money to pensioners, giving childcare money to families who
are on a quarter of a million dollars a year,
giving money to rich pensioners who can heat up their
houses and they just use it to run their sparpools
over winter. We do not spend enough money on infrastructure.
We don't need to give up on four lane highways
like Shane Jones has. We just need to stop wasting

(02:27):
the money that we should be spending on four lane highways.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Heather due for c Allen nine two nine years.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
The next numbers standard Tex Street of Life. Get that
out of our system earlier. Now you are not imagining it.
Autism diagnoses are in fact becoming more commonplace. In the
last fifteen years, diagnoses of the neurodivergence has tripled, now
one point three percent of care we kids and zero
point one four percent of adults have the disorder. Dane
Dougan is the CEO of Autism New Zealand High Dame.

Speaker 6 (02:56):
Hey, you ever think, what, mate, it's good to talk
to you.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Why is it tripled?

Speaker 6 (03:00):
We believe it's for a few reasons.

Speaker 7 (03:02):
One, the diagnosis criteria got redefined sort of in the
last ten years, which we think has been more positive
because it has allowed for both autism and ADHD to
be diagnosed in the same person, whereas prior to that
it wasn't able to be done, and we know that
there can be quite a significant overlap between those two diagnosises.
There is better awareness out there as well, so the
work that we've done in other organizations around creating better

(03:23):
witness around autism has created more understanding of it, which
has led to a greater number of people being diagnosed.
And obviously there is a genetic link as well, so
a lot of the time you get someone in your
family diagnosed and you look at other people in your
family and then they might go as well and get
diagnosed too, which increases the number of people. So we
think it's threefold that we're pretty confident that's the reasons

(03:44):
why and these figures actually do reflect what we see
in the community now. We think there's been significantly underdiagnosed
in the past, so this is actually probably a bit
more realistic in terms of the numbers.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
What's the point in getting a diagnosis?

Speaker 6 (03:58):
Yeah, it's a good question twofold.

Speaker 7 (04:00):
Really, I guess one, you can't actually be assessed for
support until you have a diagnosis or something currently, and
then the process is you get diagnosed, and then you
go get your needs assessed, and then if it's assisted
needing support, then you're going to get support. So that's
the first big thing that opens the door for support,
which I think is really important. The second thing is
it creates a lot of self awareness in people. So

(04:21):
I talk to a lot of adults who have being
diagnosed later in life and it's been a really significant
day in their life because it's helped understand why the
world has worked the way it has for them, potentially
not better or worse, just different, and it's helped them
be able to understand themselves to be able to move
forward in life in a more positive way.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
I don't want I'm gonna I'm going to play the
devil's advocate here, so please don't think that I'm one
of those people who is like, I don't believe in diagnoses,
but I'm going to ask these questions. Okay, are when
they do it, When adults get it and it gives
them self awareness and they go, oh, I behave like
that because I'm a little bit autistic. Is that just
been making excuses for themselves or are they able to
use that to actually, you know, manage what's going on.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (05:00):
So One, it's actually still a pretty vigorous process. So
it's not that easy to get diagnosed. Despite these figures,
it's still hard. We do run a diagnosis clinic in
Wellington and we focus in on very young and adults
because it's eventually impossible for adults to get diagnosed through
the public system and it's not an easy process to
get actually diagnosed.

Speaker 6 (05:16):
It is actually quite thorough.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
One.

Speaker 6 (05:18):
Two, what it does do it can help those strategies.

Speaker 7 (05:21):
So what we talk a lot about is yes, once
you've had a diagnosis, yes we can help you understand
yourself and look at your own behaviors. But also it
helps an employment for example, So there's small things you
can do if you're an adult in your work and
you've been diagnosed late and you've been struggling. In an
employment there's things that we can do as employers to
help support that person to create a better environment for
them to be successful. So it is really important from

(05:42):
that perspective because we want people out there working.

Speaker 6 (05:44):
A lot of our community want to work.

Speaker 7 (05:46):
It's just small sort of changes and the support's not
necessarily significant, so it can be quite small, reasonable sort
of changes that can make a big difference in those
people's lives. Yeah, what kind of support, Well, there's things
like they may need to go to psychologists, psychiatrists to
talk it through. Then in an employment setting, it could
be things like, look, doesn't matter if thing goes to work,

(06:08):
we're in shorts every day, if he's not seeing clients.

Speaker 6 (06:09):
Is that a problem because there could.

Speaker 7 (06:11):
Be a century issue for somebody who has to be
shorts to work rather than lungs. Putting the person not
next to the water caller where people may be talking,
all that that's not a thing now.

Speaker 8 (06:18):
Is it.

Speaker 6 (06:18):
But putting them in a quiet part of the office
where people.

Speaker 7 (06:21):
Aren't talking as much and all that kind of stuff
just to make or if that have to wear headphones,
is that a problem, Like it's understanding that person's need,
putting the plane in place for that person's need to
be successful. And we've actually helped about one hundred and
eighty odd autistic adults over the last few years into employment. Now,
these people were perfectly capable of working. It was just
understanding what it meant to go through an interview process,
Understanding what it meant to get a CV together, understanding

(06:42):
what it means to work in a large organization, et cetera.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
What is the point at which you go from just
being I don't know, and I don't really know what
the correct vernacular is, so just excuse me for sounding
completely uninformed here. At what point do you go from
just being a normal adult who just is on this like,
you know, has all the same stuff, to crossing over
and then actually being autistic Because we all suffer from

(07:05):
the same things, right, We all get sensory overload from
time to time, we all kind of find it a
bit awkward occasionally to interact with other people. So where
does it go from being normal to not?

Speaker 7 (07:14):
Yeah, one, well, it's not a point in time, so
you've had it for your whole life, number one, But
number two, it's just when it becomes a better understanding
of those sort of.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
You know what I mean is what I mean is everybody.
Everybody sits along the spectrum somewhere, right, So at what
point does the very thing that we all deal with
go from being a normal amount of kind of you know,
not handling sensory overload to all of a sudden, Okay,
you're at the you're you're so far along the spectrum,
you're autistic.

Speaker 9 (07:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (07:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (07:39):
So what someone describes this to me once and I
thought is really good. Autism is essentially a bunch of
behaviors that are grouped together. Any one of those behaviors
and on their own might not mean you're autistic, but
if it's a group of them, it may so. Again,
it's not one thing or one point. But if we
are talking about sensory overload, for example, the way that
you and I might handle that, we can probably still
go on with our daily life, whereas if you're autistic,

(08:00):
that it could be so overwhelming that you need to
go home and lie down for the next day. So
those type of things is where it kind of flips over,
I guess, and I don't. I'm not saying flip over.
It's not quite as simple as that, But obviously it's
how like, yeah, when you hear a noise and it
gets really annoying you and I will just say that's
that's that's kind of frustrated, and then we'll just take
it out of our mind, whereas an artistic person can't

(08:22):
necessarily do that, And that's the difference. It's how you
react to some of those issues and some of those
things that are happening in the workplace or in school
or wherever.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Hey, fascinating stuff, Dane, Thanks very much for talking us
through to appreciate. It is Dane Dougan who's with autism
and ZED the CEO there. So I'm going to get
to the poll shortly because it is the pole we've
been waiting for and it's actually fascinating. Just quickly update
on my new favorite council, Dunedin City Council and my
new favorite counselor old mate who was who thought it
was absolutely fine and normal Joe Gala to do a

(08:52):
zoom call in front of her undies. She's gone global
for this, so the BBC and Fox News have played
this video of her sitting there and chatting, you know,
in front of her Knickers. Fox got nearly a million
views in two hours on one of their social media
videos on it. The UK paper The Sun called it
an awkward moment. The Times of India said her willingness
to appear on the call from a bathroom is what

(09:12):
truly defines confidence. AFP, Australiasnews dot com dot au are,
The Daily Star in Bangladesh and The Daily Enquirer in
the Philippines have all run it. I am still waiting
for the next installment to complete the story, which is
why she did that. She has turned her phone off
or is just simply not responding. We've tried many times
to talk to Joe and find out what happened. When

(09:33):
Joe comes back to New Zealand, because I'm assuming that
this happened overseas when she comes back, we will not
be will be quite persistent. We'll continue to call Joe
until we get an explanation for why and I that
installment I suspect is going to be just as interesting
as the first installment seventeen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
It's the Heather Toper see Alan Drive Full Show podcast
on iHeartRadio powered my newstalk ZEPPI.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Heatherso Labour drops below twenty eight percent and polls. Where
are the media calling for Hipkins to be replaced as
they did with luxant As Thespias. Can you ask a
very good question. I'm going to come back to this
nineteen past four.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Board with generates putting performance first generate Kiwisaver dot co
dot NZD.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Jason Pine Weekend Sport hosters with us hat piney.

Speaker 10 (10:15):
Hello head after what about Luke Metcalff being back? I know,
I know, oh yeah, what a yarn. Indeed, this Warriors
season probably needs a documentary mate about it. You know,
here's Luke Metcalf who was absolutely magnificent last year, got injured,
came back to early this year, got injured again, then
couldn't get back, and the team decided he didn't want
to stay anymore. About three days later, Tenor Boy gets injured,

(10:37):
but Andrew Webster goes for Timighty Martin instead, and now
Martin's out. So Metcalf's going to play tonight against the
Panthers and probably the biggest game of the season and
may guide the Warriors deep, deep, deep into the finals.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
What a story question for you? Though? The vibe that
I got was that he got the pip like he
was when he went and signed the new contract. It
wasn't done in a good attitude, you know what I mean.
How are things between him and the club.

Speaker 10 (11:05):
It's a really interesting question. Look, Andrew Webster has resisted
the temptation to play one of the best players in
the competition ever since Luke Metcalf made the decision to leave,
which was around Magic Round. You know, we're going back
that far. It's been four hundred you know, or not
four hundred, but a couple of hundred days since Luke
Metcalf played for the Warriors a long long time, and

(11:27):
I can't imagine that it was a happy parting of
the ways. You look at Luke Metcalff and you say,
why wouldn't he just have said, Okay, well I can't
play seven, I'll play six, or I'll wait because there
will be an injury, you know, Like I say, three
days after he made the decision to go, Tanner Boyd
got injured. Metcalf would have been in at that point.
Now he's had to wait all of this time. I

(11:48):
still think though, that he's got a lot to offer
this team at the back end of the season. I've
always wanted him to come back Andrew Webster didn't pick him.
Now he's had to, and look, I just can't wait
to see how he goes.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
And he's gonna be fascinating. Now, what do you expect
from the All Blacks v. The Stormers? I mean, surely
they're just going to smash them, aren't they.

Speaker 10 (12:04):
Well, I hope, so you want them to get off
to a good start for their tour. Look, the Stormers
are missing nine guys who haven't been picked because they're
in the spring box. The All Blacks certainly aren't a
first string side. In fact, nobody who plays in the
first Test, all things being equall, will play tomorrow morning.
But it's a good All Black side. As I say,
they'll want to get the tour off to a good start,
get some confidence, get a bit of momentum going. The

(12:25):
last thing they want is a is a scratchy performance
or god forbid a loss tomorrow morning, which would really
put a bad narrative on things. I think they'll win,
and win well, and a few guys I hope will
put their hands up and say to Dave Rennie, pick
me for that first test.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Yeah, interesting, pony, Thanks very much, Matte, look after yourself
and enjoy your show tomorrow. It's Jason Pine, a weekend
sport host for twenty two.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
The day's newspakers talk to Heather First, Heather Duplicy, Ellen
Drive with One New Zealand and the Power of Satellite
Mobile News Talks Envy.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
It's a bit a speculation Tucker Carlson might be running
for president in twenty twenty eight, so we have a
chat to Dan Mitchinson about it when he's with us.
It's twenty five past four, so Chippy's called the bad
pole a rogue pole. So let me run you through
the details. This is the latest taxpayers Union curier pole
that I told you yesterday you needed to keep an
eye out for Labour is now on twenty seven point eight.
They have fallen three point seven points. That's significant. National

(13:18):
has gone up half a percentage point now sitting on
thirty one Opportunity and on six point one. Greens are
on ten. New Zealand First is on nine, Maori Parties
on one and a half. Act is on let's say
seven and a half. Coalition still wins, but it is
still exactly the same by the same margin it's been
the whole way through, which is sixty one. Now, is

(13:38):
it a rogue pole. I'm gonna say probably not. Reason
I think probably not is two reasons. First reason is
that this is the continuation of a trend.

Speaker 11 (13:49):
Right.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
It's not as if Labour's not been going up in
the polls has it? Since Chippy started talking and releasing policy,
which is exactly what I told you was going to happen.
Since he started talking and releasing policy, we've got on
oh goloshy, I forgot how much they suck and so
voter they're shedding voters. So it's just been by. But
every single pole have gone further and further down.

Speaker 12 (14:08):
Now.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
The Roy Morgan which yes, does tend to be quite
extreme like it's on trend, but it's quite wildly up
or wildly down. The Roy Morgan pole has had labor
about twenty five twenty six for a couple of couple
of poles now, So I would say, actually, depending on
how you feel about Roy Morgan, Roy Morgan may in
fact back up where the Taxpay's Union Caurier pole has

(14:30):
got labor. This is good news for Chris Hopkins, sorry
Chris Luxen, because it gets him off the hook. Right,
Because the Nats are now going to look at this
and go, well, they suck even worse than we do,
so let's not roll them and just carry on. Anyway.
To answer Ben's question, which is, why is nobody calling
for Chris Hopkins to be rolled, that would be because
nobody within labor is trying to roll him right now,
at least that I'm not hearing anything like that. The

(14:53):
reason everybody talked about Chris Luxon possibly getting rolled was
because Chris Bishop was trying to roll him. Right This
was not a media fantasy, This was not a media campaign.
This was an actual happening thing. So when Chris Bishop
tried to roll Chris Luxon, it became the talk of
the town. When somebody tries to roll Chris Hopkins, it
becomes the talk of the town as well. For the record,
obviously they need to roll Chris Hopkins. You're not gonna

(15:15):
like you're just not gonna win the election or you're
not gonna come through with a massive amount of support
when you're the guy that locked down Auckland and then
told lies the whole way through, so we don't forget
remember it all the way through. Anyway, News is next,
Dan Mitchinson is with us out of America shortly, and
more importantly, David Cunlif, former Labour Party leader, will give

(15:36):
us his thoughts on what is going wrong for Labor
right now and whether they need to switch a leader.
After five.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
The name you trust to get the answers you need,
it's Heather Duper c Ellen drive with one New Zealand
and the.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Power of satellite mobile news talks that'd be.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Are there are calls now if we can pull through
helmet's on ecooter It's not gonna happen, but absolutely their
necessary on account of the fact that they are. You know,
you would have seen that study that eat scooter riders
are more than three times as likely to suffer as
severe head injury compared as compared to a motorbike rider.
We'll deal with that in about now. I'm doing maths.
I can't do maths quarter past five. We'll do it
at quarter past five. Do you remember Amanda Knox who

(16:19):
was that American student who has jailed wrongly in the
end for the murder of her roommate in Italy about
twenty years ago. She is now, I mean talk about
bad taste. She is now doing a comedy show at
the Edinburgh Fringe festival about it. It's called cartwill, which
is a reference to a story that claimed that she
did Cartwell's at the police station after she was arrested.
Shows on Friday evening as in Friday evenings Edinburgh a time,

(16:40):
so you know tomorrow morning our time. It's going to
run for eleven straight nights. I probably shouldn't say bad taste.
I feel like you should watch something before you condemn it,
So I apologize for that immediately. Twenty four away from five, it's.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
The world wires on news talks. They'd be drive Trump's.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Mad at his Secretary of War Pete hig Seth. Apparently
Peter's been using too many missiles against Iran and now
they haven't got enough on truth social Trump denied the
shortage and promise to go after the trees in this
leakers who broke the story.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
We have certain types of munitions that are very powerful.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
We always want more.

Speaker 4 (17:12):
We have to have more.

Speaker 13 (17:13):
We're in very good ship.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
We have literally massive amounts of ammunition.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
Now Oman is working on a deal with Iran to
reopen the strait. I mean, don't get too excited, because
I feel like we have been here before. Difference this
time is. The deal would reportedly not let American or
Israeli vessels through. This is Al Jazeera's correspondent in Iran.

Speaker 12 (17:31):
The mohammadar Khalipov, the Speaker of Parliament and chief negotiator,
has posted raising again the issue of the trust deficiency
between Iran and the United States, accusing Washington of altering
between military threats and calls for diplomacy.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
And finally, more than ninety thousand rubber ducks of race
down the Chicago River. The ducky Darby is an annual
fundraiser for local Special Olympics athletes. The rubber ducks were
all dumped into the river once by a truck. The
winner and the runner up have been fished out and
volunteers and now tackling the memoth task of getting all
the other ducks out of the river and then giving
them a.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Clean International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of
mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
Jen Mackinson now US correspondence with US. Afternoon to you, Dan, Well,
afternoon to you, Heather. There's Tucka going to run for president.

Speaker 5 (18:25):
I don't know to tell you the truth. I mean,
we're still a couple of years away, but he's dropping
hints about the possibility of a third party candidate, and
he seems to be taking the lead on this. He's
released a live stream, he's released a ten point vision
for America, and basically he's trying to trying to attract
those people that have broken away from President Trump. There

(18:48):
are at odds with him that have said, you know,
he shouldn't have launched the Iran War, he abandoned the
America First agenda, he was mishandling the Epstein Files. Problem is, Heathers,
we know third part of the candidates just don't gain
track over here.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
I mean, I wish we did.

Speaker 5 (19:01):
But Ross Pereau was the last successful person who around
as an independent back in nineteen ninety two, and he
failed to carry a single state here.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yeah, I mean, because he's kind of rebranding himself as
the anti not the anti Mega, but like a breakaway Mega,
isn't he? So is there a possibility that he positions
himself as the true Mega and in fact comes in
through the Republican Party.

Speaker 5 (19:23):
I mean he could very well in which case, I mean,
he certainly got name recognition, he certainly got a following,
maybe not as much as he did when he was
at Fox, but he'd be going up against JD. Vance
and a couple of other Republicans. And I think a
solid third party is a great idea, absolutely, but will
it happen in my lifetime? I don't think it is.

(19:44):
Is this too close to the Republican Party? Probably? I
think he'd be siphoning away some of the Republicans from that,
which would actually hurt the republic I mean.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
You know, Dan, globally we are seeing though. If there
ever was a time where a third where an alternative
candidate could actually seize the moment, it would be now,
wouldn't it.

Speaker 5 (20:03):
You know what, I have to disagree with that. I
would have thought that maybe maybe ten years ago, but
after what we've seen recently, I think the middle ground
is shrinking in this country. I think there is more
of a divide than ever before. I think you've got
people that are Democrats that will stay Democrats, Republicans will
always be Republicans, and they're going more to the right.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Okay, you no, and I think you're on to something.
But what about the alternative theory, which is that what
we've got is increasing distrust in the establishment and the
Republicans and the Democrats are part of the ruling elite, right,
so there is that gap opening up with the lack
of trust where you could get somebody coming in and
saying kind of doing doing a Donald Trump, doing a
Nigel Farage, doing as zavmla and going I am not

(20:43):
part of this. I'm new.

Speaker 5 (20:45):
I think you're right. I think that would be a
great idea in theory. And let's say you found the
right candidate and you've got the right message, You've got
one big problem. There is no way they're going to
raise the kind of money they need to raise, just
like the Republicans and Democrats. And unfortunately that's what's you know,
that's what you have to do these days.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
What did you make of his ten points that he's
put out.

Speaker 5 (21:07):
I mean, I don't don't to tell you the truth.
I mean he's trying to find a sort of a
world view of this, this manifesto of whatever comes next.
So I think he's you know, he's he's talking about
a new political order about it, and a lot of
it was very basic. So you know, I reread that
two or three times and I thought, well, okay, what's

(21:29):
he saying right now? It's their little slogans there, if
they're anything at this point in time. But I think
he's just really testing the water at this point.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Yeah, I might come back to this list. Actually explain
to me why it is that Fauci played.

Speaker 5 (21:41):
The fifth Well he thinks, he thinks. I mean, well,
let's go back to when President Biden gave him a pardon.
But the pardon covered acts from twenty fourteen through January
of last year.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
That was the date was issued.

Speaker 5 (21:55):
But it doesn't shield him from state level prosecutions. It
doesn't protect him from federal investigations and to any testimony
that he gave that the Republicans say is false, which
is why he was apparently trying to protect himself from that,
because you know, the Republicans are going after him, and
so he just said, you know what, I'm not going
to say anything that can use against me. Maybe he

(22:16):
went a little too far and that's why he decided
to book his fifteen then it rates.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yeah, interesting stuff. I thank you very much, but really
appreciate your time. You look after yourself. Down that Sam Mitchison,
US correspondent, eighteen away from five, he's put out ten points,
which it's kind of like has menifat manifesto. This is
Tucker Carlson, And I mean, like a lot of the
stuff that you know, you and slogans you and I
would agree with, like people need to be fair and
the same rules should apply to presidents and federal agents

(22:40):
and elites like Jeffrey Epstein as it does to everybody else,
and blah blah blah blah blah. But it's very there's
a lot of the stuff that's just kind of cooky
nostalgia for a time that will never be back. Point
Number three is all about productivity. America should rebuild farming, manufacturing,
and craftsmanship while rejecting an economy dominated by finance, real estate, speculator,
surveillance systems, and weapons. Well, good luck, may like, get

(23:03):
yourself a plow. What were you doing? Oh, that's right,
technology on the TV. Get yourself a plow, Go plow
that land. No, you don't want to know, nobody else
does either. Number four beautiful. Carlson alleged that urban planners
deliberately uglified American cities and portrayed brutalist architecture, graffiti, public
drug use, and violent crimes. Deliberate attacks on the public
it's but weirre didn't it five healthy? Carlson embraced JFK.

(23:25):
Junior's food agenda, called for universal sobriety, and said widespread
use of drugs such as xanax, adderall and SSRIs had
left Americans half addled. I mean, it's kind of it's
the same vibe as because yay, of course we want
beautiful cities, and of course we want everybody to be
out there in the land, you know, plucking apples off
trees and eating them off their own land and not

(23:47):
doing xanax and painkillers and stuff like. It's just not realistic.
And it's the same stuff that Restore has peddled in
the UK, where they're like, oh, we're we're nostalgic for
the UK being full of only white people. And it's
the same stuff that Winston Peters is peddling here. Oh,
we want the place to be, you know, like it
was before those neoliberals the nineteen eighties got hold of

(24:08):
it ruined everything. It's just it's just nostalgia for and
even Paul Henry's peddling it to some degree where he's like, oh,
back in my day, it was just great, and you're like, well,
it's not going to be like that anymore, because it's
you know, fifty years later. Anyway, it does. Nostalgia seems
to be. Nostalgia's the vibe at the moment across the world,
speaking of which there is. There are questions have been

(24:30):
raised as to whether the King is in fact a
white Britain. And this is because Restored. If you don't
know Restore, a Restorer is like Reform, but a bit
like like Farage's Party, but weirder. Restore has a candidate
who's written a report predicting that white British people will
become a minority in the UK in the next thirty
five years, and his definition of a white Britain as
a person in the UK whose parents were both born

(24:53):
in the UK. Problem is, of course, Charles the King
has father, the late Prince Philip, not born in the UK.
Greek one they so the King is not a white
Britain According to Restore, World's Gone Mad sixteen Away from five.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
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Speaker 3 (25:11):
David Candler, former Labor Party leader, on what the heck's
going wrong for Labor at the moment with us after
five obviously him right now thirteen away from five, we
have Barry Soper with us Y Barry, good afternoon.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
I'll tell you what David cunlif would know exactly what
goes wrong with labor, given he was once the leader
of the.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Party, given he was once what was wrong with labor.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
And he hates being a man of course.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Now what do you make of this poll?

Speaker 4 (25:35):
Well, you'd have to say for Chris Luxon, he'll be
going into the weekend, but happier than he's been over
the past couple of weeks because his own personal rating
as prime minister has gone up just over four percent
to what which is extraordinary for no, no, yeah, twenty
four percent. I think I was overstating it, Yes, exactly.

(25:59):
It's still very low for a prime minister. But the
big movers in this, of course is labor dropping in
this rogue pole. I think if you listen to labor,
it's rogues who took part in this pole. They've dropped
three point seven percent, which is extraordinary really to just
on twenty eight percent. Now there'll be calls, of course,

(26:20):
for as there were when National dropped under thirty percent
for Chrscipkin's Head.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
Well, no, I mean that's cynical from you, because I
was not that people. Yeah no, people were not calling
for luxe and to be rolled. Someone in National try
to roll Head, yes they did. So when someone in
Labour tries to roll Chippy, we will also talk about
that's right.

Speaker 4 (26:43):
I don't think you. I don't think that's going to
happen anyway.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Roland for who.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
Yeah, well, you know it's ninety days out from the election,
so we've still got a lot of time to run
between now and then. And if you look at the
other parties, I mean National hardly climbed significantly in this pole,
went up half a percent to thirty one percent, so
just over that thirty percent psychological barrier. The Greens that've

(27:07):
dropped slightly, they're just on ten percent. New Zealand first
they dropped on one point seven percent, and these figures
are so small when you consider the statistical margin of
error in these they get nine just on nine percent.
Actor gained zero point four percent. The Maori Party really

(27:28):
you know, they're over and out. They're on one and
a half percent now dropping two percent. So the big
winner in this of course is Top. Now they came
in at six point one percent. The old story is though,
when a party lighttop has talked about as much as
it has been, then people start to take notice of it.

(27:50):
And what they'll do I would suspect between now and
polling day is that they will look at the policies
that this party is offering, look at them more specifically
than what they have been So it's always nice to
see a party rising in the polls, but they've got
to stand or fall on their policies and interest in

(28:10):
the One of the gaffes that some would say that
Chris Luxon made was to write them off totally recently
as a coalition part of a party that could join
the National Party in coalition. That you know, I think
maybe was a little premature, given that on these dogs,
I don't think hang on on these figures. They would

(28:31):
bring in eight seats into Parliament and they could really
decide on who.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
Was So you're not the first person to suggest this
to me today that he should not have ruled out
working with them, but Barry, he only did. I think
Luxem was right to do it because.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
Because it couldn't work with them, only look at their policies.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
There is no way exactly on God's earth that an
Opportunity Party is going into a coalition with act for
exactly exactly, like these people are so far left Barry.
They want to make it okay. They want to treat
twenty four year old rapists like their youth and basically
let them off scot free through the youth system. Like

(29:09):
can you imagine.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
People now start looking at their pology.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
So to that point, Luxeon's done the right thing because
he couldn't work with them anyway. They were never going
to go.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
I was reflecting what people have been saying. Yes, I
know I can see that. But you know, even with
the eight seats that Top would win, if these pole
results were translated into polling booth results, they would still
wouldn't have enough to be a majority government. The old

(29:40):
coalition or the current coalition I should say, would go
and they only have sixty one to fifty nine, so
it would be very close. So things are going to
be close. But I think this, like you said earlier,
is a bit of a trend that I've always believed
that labor shouldn't be as strong as it has been,
and I i again, people are looking at the policies

(30:02):
that are often.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
I'll tell you what I I think if the Nats
are looking probably looking at this poll and going okay,
it gives it, gives lux and a reprieve, they can
stick it out with him for now. But I'm not
sure that that is actually necessarily the case, because look
at that margin. It is still sixty one sixty one,
sixty one sixty one all the way through. Right now.
It is a tight election.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
Oh, it is a title election.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Really top.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
I still believe on election day it's not going to
be as tight because we still have ninety days to run. Yeah,
until the election. I think things are going to change
quite significantly between now and then.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
I suspect you're right, Barry, Thanks very much. We' wrap
the political week that was with you a quarter past six.
Say that's very Soper, Senior political correspondent. Eight away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
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Speaker 14 (30:57):
So how about old Luckso I havn't had a hellish
week on the pology front. From the road to RUA routing,
he goes and ends the week by pulling the old
MMP rabbit out of the hat and set to Wellington
like Peter dunpolitical commentator as well as could you argue that,
given we're alleginally going to vote for a three or
four year term anyway, why not tag this on the
end and it's actually no big deal.

Speaker 13 (31:14):
Well you could argue that, But if you were going
to argue that, I would have thought you'd have made
that argument at the time that you announced you're having
the referendum on the four year term. Now I'm creating
the fact that this court everyone, including his own team,
by a measure of surprise, suggests that it wasn't part
of that original plan.

Speaker 14 (31:29):
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Speaker 3 (31:35):
Yeah, the no Paul Henry impact in the latest poll
that surprises me. Actually, Grant, that's a really good point
that you make. I think, should I get it out
of a bin? Not the numbers for somewhere I'm not
going to be able to find it lord such as life.
I think Act was the only party that reagis the
only minor party that registered a significant increase, but it
wasn't massive. It was just like it went up slightly

(31:56):
my memory, and I'll go and find it and I'll
come back to you on that. But you're right, or
it doesn't really altogether surprise me because I can't. I
couldn't imagine lots of people necessarily. I wasn't sure about it,
And the more I thought about them more, I was like, Nah,
it's not really going to impact in the polls, like
people aren't going to go and vote for actors because
Paul Henry's there. I think his impact more is that
over time he will continue to get the headlines. Like

(32:18):
I don't know if you've noticed, but he's already got
significant numbers of headlines just by being there at announcements
and saying things and calling little kids in classes little
shits and stuff like that. And that will be the
impact that he has, is that he continues to dominate,
to dominate the news cycle and draws attention to act
So I think it's a slow burn thing anyway, Listen,
I just want to encourage you to go to the
Herald and read the story that's dropped about the netballers,

(32:40):
which is about four hours ago, dropped at one this afternoon,
and tell me you don't feel sorry for these girls.
According to The Herald, Big Names, silver Ferns are emailing
clubs in Britain urgently asking them for contracts. This is
according to the Manchester Thunder coach Karen Gregg, who says
her club's been inundated by New Zealand players asking for contracts,
including silver Ferns, have been at the current Commonwealth Games.

(33:00):
She said the Urge that the emails all had an
urgent tone and that she thinks other Super League clubs
have also been emailed. I feel terrible, Like, just think
about that. Imagine how hard that is. Here you are,
your job has just wound up for the year, you
don't know if you have a job. You're heading off
to the Commonwealth Games and you are emailing people on
the other side of the world begging for a job
so that you've got money next year and in the

(33:23):
ability to kind of keep yourself on form to continue
to be a professional netball player. That must be so
hard just and I think like in the discussion about netball,
we sometimes forget that there are individual women who are
impacted by this. Anyway, we're talking to the sports huddle
about it obviously. After half plus five, David Cunliff. Next
on Labour's Rogue.

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Speaker 3 (34:03):
Good afternoon. Chris Hopkins is calling it a rogue pole.
This is the Taxpayer's Union Curier pole, which has Labour
now slumping to twenty seven point eight percent, National is
on thirty one percent. Opportunity would officially enter parliament on
just over six percent. David Kunliffe is a former leader
of the Labor Party and with us.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Hi, David, Kay, how are you?

Speaker 3 (34:21):
I'm very well, thank you, it's good to talk to you.
Do you agree with him that it's a rogue pole.

Speaker 11 (34:26):
I'd say it's an outlier and I think the thing
that makes the most sense is look at the pole
of poles. But there is some movement in that that
Labor needs to take a real close eye on.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
And what do you mean the trend downwards that well.

Speaker 11 (34:39):
The trend yeah, they picked in March. It looks like
they've flattened since then and the last couple of poles
aren't good news for them, so that they do need
to be asking themselves, how do they put more gas
in the tank?

Speaker 12 (34:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Well, what do you think is going on here? Why
is the trend down for them?

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Well?

Speaker 11 (34:56):
Can I just assume the lens out for a little
bit and answer that in a couple of bits. First
thing is this is a really really volatile close race.
It's anybody's game, and one hundred days out more so
than we've seen in about five elections. Normally you can
pick the winner by now. I certainly could in twenty fourteen,
you can't pick it here, and the herald pole of polls,

(35:16):
which is just pretty reliable as saying you can't pick one.
Second thing that's really really unusual is the rise of
the Opportunity Party. They've busted the five percent threshold. It
looks very much like they're going to be in parliament
and possibly on something like eight or nine or ten percent,
and then that changes the game. It takes the kingmaker

(35:36):
role off New Zealand first, and it makes it very important,
not that National Labor can necessarily put together a coalition,
but who's got the largest single vote, which is very close,
because that would be who opportunity starts to negotiate with first.
And so this is a really really unusual and really
really open race. Nobody can pick it right now.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Do you think that Labor's going to stick it out
with Chippy?

Speaker 2 (36:02):
One hundred percent?

Speaker 11 (36:04):
I imagine that you had other commentators, including your dear Barry,
say there isn't probably a lot of hands up to
take the job right now. And look, Chris Hipkins is
polling better than many opposition leaders have done in the
run up to an election. I think the issue is
that voters are probably looking for something a little bit

(36:25):
more strategic, a little bit more of a recipe for
the future than the isolated, although attractive policies that.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
They've so far launched.

Speaker 11 (36:34):
They want to know what the game plan is and
I don't think that that's been delivered yet.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Do you think National's going to stick it out with
Chris Lucksen?

Speaker 4 (36:40):
I think so.

Speaker 11 (36:41):
Again, it's some desperate stuff if you change a leader
this close to the election. You know, I later did
it with the Dern in twenty seventeen and they went
up twenty percent in five weeks, which was incredible. But
that happens once in the generation. I think we could
probably safely say that Chris Lux there's no John Key,
and he's no Helen Clark, and he's not dominating here.

(37:05):
This is still neck and neck between National and Labor.
But Labor does need to show that small target politics
has probably run out of steam and they unless they
start going up a gear, find another gear, they are
at risk of slipping further.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Okay, and what do they need to do, David, to
find another gear?

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Well, agun and about you.

Speaker 11 (37:24):
But most people I talk to are saying that they're
not hearing a recipe for success for New Zealand from
either the current government or the current main opposition party,
and that is reflected in the pole poles, which shows
that the combined support for Labor and National is the
lowest in thirty four years. And this is also the

(37:46):
most volatile race since MMP began. So that tells you
that New Zealand is on average a pretty bloody grumpy
They've been doing it tough for a number of years.
Nothing seems to be working case. They are of course
headwinds overseas, but that doesn't fully explain the fact that
our productivity is drifting relative to the OECD average, and

(38:07):
neither side has come up with a recipe for success.
It's not just pouring concrete and it's not just free
doctors visits.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
I think that's a fair point from you, David, Thanks
very much, appreciate it. David Kunler, former Labor Party leader.
It's coming up twelf plus.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Five, Heather Duper see Ellen.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Shane Jones has said he believes the era of building
four lane highways is over. He was at an infrastructure
debate last night and said he doesn't expect anymore to
be built in his lifetime because politicians will struggle to
justify the cost now. James Smith is the Road Carriers
Association Advocacy general manager and with US high James.

Speaker 6 (38:40):
Greetings, Heather.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Is he right?

Speaker 9 (38:42):
No, It's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard
from a politician in which is saying something just close
to an election.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Why is he wrong?

Speaker 9 (38:53):
We ever read piece of data out there shows that
four lane highways, especially those with the center media barrier,
deliver safety and productivity. So the fact that he's not
wanting to aspire to build any more of them is
rarely consigning significant parts of the country to putting up

(39:14):
with the goat tracks of the past. It's unacceptable.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
Really, Yeah, I agree with you, and I find it
very disappointing that we're apparently giving up on just decent roads.
But James, tell me the next one that they do build.

Speaker 9 (39:28):
Well, you mentioned one earlier in the program, and there's
the Mill Road has been screaming out for the last
thirty years. It needs to be built. These these are
the sweet length. There's myriads of these parts of the
network where currently you've got two lanes. It's all large
parts of the state highway main State Highway one that's

(39:49):
that's still only two lanes with no center medium barrier.
And you just need to look at the d sis
that we are decent, serious injury creations that are occurring
due to inadequate infrastructure. It's just unacceptable to admit that
we're never going to aspire to lift ourselves off off
that very low base.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
I worry about the shames because, yes, Mill Road is
when I talk, when I think about four lane highways,
that's the one that comes to mind. But what we
have here is Mill Road, which is a road that
has been promised and planned by this government. We now
have a minister in this government saying they're not doing
four lane highways anymore. So does that mean that we
need to downgrade our expectations for mill.

Speaker 9 (40:29):
Rod, No, absolutely not. We need to upgrade our politicians.
We need to We need to upgrade the we should
be looking at. How do we get a hell of
a lot smarter at building infrastructure? How do we stop
the wasteful spending, How do we stop the acceptance of mediocrity.

(40:53):
If we spend as much energy lifting our GDP, lifting
the aspirational targets of the country, then we could achieve
all sorts of things that's just unacceptable to the admitting defeat.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
Love the cut of your GYP today, mate, James Smith,
Road Carrier's Association Advocacy General Manager either DUP c Allen
two guests in a row, two guests in a row
saying we need better ideas for this country. I would say,
probably from either end of the spectrum, David's a lefty man.
I'm feeling like James is probably a righty man. I
don't know. I could just be reading into it, but

(41:26):
that's the thing that's missing from politics at the moment.
A aspiration, isn't it two guests in a row. I
went back and found a little bit of paper in
my bin. It is the ACT is the only sitting
small party that increased their share in this particular Taxpayers
Union Caurier poll by not a lot. It was half
a percentage point to seven point three percent. Now the
Opportunity Party, I've got some numbers to back up why.

(41:47):
I think Chris Luxen was absolutely right to rule out
the Opportunity Party and anybody who thinks that he can
work with the Opportunity Party is dreaming. So I'm going
to run you through that data when I get a chance.
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Speaker 3 (42:52):
Now there are calls for compulsory helmets on e scooters today.
This is obviously after that UK study found that e
scooter riders are more than three times as life to
suffer a severe head injury compared with motorcyclists. Stacy Mobray
is the CEO at Brain Injury charity Headway and with
us HI Stacy Hey Heather, this seems extraordinary. Three times
more likely you believe that.

Speaker 15 (43:14):
Yeah, well what it is? It's of those who sustained
a serious injury and absolutely those on coming off east
scooters getting a serious injury were much more likely through
that than motorbikes or bicycles.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Now, the compulsory helmets is obviously a good idea and
should obviously be happening, but it's not going to is it.

Speaker 15 (43:35):
Well, I don't know. I think helmets aren't the full
answer to that. What we're wanting to see is, you
know that they need to be full safety rules around it.
But also in New Zealand, part too often East scooters
are seen as toys, something that we can jump on,
So they really need to be viewed as powered vehicles
capable of causing serious injury. And I think that's the

(43:57):
first change we need, is the way that they're perceiving.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
But how do you change that?

Speaker 15 (44:02):
Very good question. Well, I think that, you know, we
find that setting baselines so through law is a good start.
Seat belts are compulsory, motorbike helmets are compulsory. It's hard
it is hard to understand why helmets for es scooters
aren't compulsory.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
So that is something we be I can answer that
question for you, right, because if you're going to have
commercial businesses like Flamingo running ees scooters, how are you
going to force them to put a helmet on the
escooter for the next person to use when people in
the helmets.

Speaker 15 (44:32):
Yeah, it's a good question and it is something that
I think we need to work on together, but legislation
is probably a starting point for that. I think that
councilors can be involved and this is something that we
need to talk about. But you know, if we look
at data in New Zealand, we're seeing that there are
a significant increase in injuries, particularly with our young people.

(44:53):
Ten to fourteen year olds have had a threefold increase
over a three year period. You know, under twenty five
I have eighty five percent increase in injuries from East Skirters.
We can't ignore this any Longer.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
Says it's good to talk to you, mate, Thank you
very much. Stassy Mowbray, Chief executive at Headway.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Heather Dupersy Allen, awkward.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Question, but do we believe the story that.

Speaker 16 (45:18):
It was Joseph Parker's nutritionist who accidentally contaminated him with cocaine?
I'm just asking because I do recall five years ago,
and you may recall five years ago reading the newspaper
stories about the court evidence that alleged that Joseph Parker
was shifting cash for drugs and texting a dealer allegedly saying,
trust me, it's the best stuff out. We do remember that,

(45:38):
don't we Just saying might have a little chat with
a sports huddle about that.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
Just after half past five or so. Five twenty two.

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Speaker 3 (46:07):
Judging by the text's not the only person asking that question.
Five twenty four. Now listen. It is remiss of me
not to have talked about this earlier, but the story
of the week has got to be the Silver Ferns
when in gold at the Commonwealth Games, right after everything
that Dame Nolean Toto was put through in the last year,
for her to come back, put that behind her, pack
herself a team, get that team working with each other

(46:28):
and more importantly working with her and then take that
all the way to gold has got to be one
of the greatest vindication stories ever. If there was any
doubt that Dame Knowles was the right coach for the
Silver Ferns, there is surely no doubt. Now, remember this
is a woman who very nearly lost her job. She
was very nearly if the Netball New Zealand do good

(46:49):
as had had their way, very nearly consigned to the
history files. Instead, she's come back and she has made history.
This is not just a Dame Nole's story, is it,
Because this is also a story about those players, that
is a group of women who played their hearts out
and played better than ever and better than any other
team at the Commonwealth Games in spite of what was
happening at home again because of Netball New Zealand's mismanagement.

(47:11):
There is a significant group of those players who won
the gold who may not actually have jobs in New
Zealand next year because or at all, by the way,
because there may not be a domestic competition next year.
And as I told you earlier, these women have been
emailing clubs in the UK basically begging for contracts so
that they can have jobs next year. Imagine how hard
that must be personally. You're begging for jobs overseas, with

(47:32):
all of the complications and the upheaval and the disruption
that that will bring, moving across the globe, finding accommodations,
saying goodbye to family members, getting a no possibly via email,
and while all of that stuff is going on in
your Gmail account. You are still able to turn up
on the court and win gold. The silver ferns are
not only I reckon the story of the week, but

(47:53):
they are a story that a ted Lasso episode should
be made about.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Heather Duplessy Ella, let me run new.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
Through the opportunity and by the way, Sports huddles with
us shortly and we will discuss that. And of course
Tony Kemp is going to be with us shortly. Let
me run you through those Opportunity New Zealand numbers. So
I was I was reading David Farrer's Patreon this afternoon. He's,
of course the one who did the Curier pole for
the Taxpayers Union and had Opportunity on six percent. This
is his breakdown of who's voting for opportunity. It's actually

(48:20):
surprisingly more men than women. I would have thought it's
the other way around. So opportunity sits at six percent.
If you split it in terms of gender, seven percent men,
seven percent of the voting population. Men of the male
voting population seven percent of voting for opportunity. Five percent
of the female population are voting for opportunity. They get
more of their vote from the under forties, which doesn't

(48:41):
surprise me than the over forties, so a significant skew
to the younger voters. They are wildly overrepresented. In christ
Church twelve percent of Cantabrian voters would vote for opportunity,
nine percent of Wellingtonians would vote for opportunity, five percent
in Auckland. In rural areas only two percent. So it's
the metropolitan areas that care about them. And then, and

(49:02):
this is the bit you want to know, and I'm
going to have to wait to tell you about this,
but which party their voters voted for last election? Stand
by for that. I'll give it to you straight after
the news. Tony kempers with us on Luke Metcalf being
recalled for the Warriors New still Tevenge.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
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your car on your drive home it's Heather Duper Clan
drive with one New Zealand end of power.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
A satellite mobile News talk said.

Speaker 10 (49:29):
Be contact a second time?

Speaker 3 (49:32):
How does that work? Of seven percent were male and
five percent were female, what are there is? I thought
I'd explain this, but I did have to explain this
twice to my colleagues, So you're not stupid. It is
just difficult to understand. So when we do the polling,
when we do the pollm when they do the polling,
they go six percent of voters would vote for opportunity.
That's why they sit at six percent, right, So when
they split it into gender, they go off the male

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voters in New Zealand, what proportion would vote for opportunity
et ce per seven percent of the male voters. Lit'll
bit like thirty something for the Nats and blah blah
for the alah blah blah blah. So seven percent of
the male voters vote for opportunity, five percent of female voters.
So it has a great ascue to men, and blah
blah blah goes on. And so this is the interesting
thing is where is their vote coming from? Largely the Greens.

(50:18):
So what they did is they had to look at
it gain. They went to the Green voters and they
said did you vote for the Greens in twenty twenty three?
And they got yeah, I did. Okay, who are you
voting for now? Opportunity? Twenty percent of the twenty twenty
three Green voters have gone to opportunity. Four percent of
the twenty twenty three labor voters have gone to opportunity
and one percent of the twenty twenty three national voters
have gone to opportunity. What that tells you two things.

(50:40):
Number One, it's a left wing party. That's why they're
attracting vote people who vote left. Lux has done nothing
wrong by voting by ruling out opportunity and never gonna
work with them anyway. Like it's just it's not going
to happen. Number two, I can't remember. I do remember.
I just remembered, Thank the Lord. Otherwise our embarrassing. It's
bad for the Greens. That's why the Greens vote is

(51:01):
not as high as it should be because Opportunity is nicking
it anyway. Sports Huddle is standing by with us shortly
Andrew Little with us after six and I will get
to why we're going to talk to him about amalgamation obviously.
Right now it's twenty three away from.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
Six together do for see Allen Luke.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Metcalf is running on tonight for the Warriors. He's been
recalled for the first time in four months, with tomty
Martin out with injury that he picked up a training Tony.
Kemp is obviously a former Warriors coach. By Tony Hey
there you going, well, thank you? What do you reckon?

Speaker 4 (51:28):
Look?

Speaker 17 (51:28):
I think you could have really asked for a better
backup and shaw metcuff, even though he's going to Saint
George next year, to get him this time of the year,
when you're running into the finals five or six weeks
out and playing in his favorite position, which is a
set the seven jersey, I think not a not a
bad replacement for Tomighty Tomighty's and you know Tomighty with

(51:53):
a slight hamstring injury, he's been playing such good football
as well. Hopefully Sean can pick up where Tomighty left off.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
How do you reckon it's going to go for him?
I mean, if he's been sitting on the bench for
four months and he's gonna he's gonna knock off at
the end of the season, do you reckon he'd give
it his own?

Speaker 17 (52:12):
I think you know, he has no reason not to
give it. Give us on And probably the biggest game
for the Warriors this season. You know they're up against Penrith,
who have won for the last five premierships, being the
form team of the year, sitting at the top of
the table, up against Nathan Clary's just wanted origin and
being touted as the next immortal. You know, when you're

(52:35):
when you're an athlete playing in that competition and you're
up against the best, you look pretty stupid if you
if you sit back on your heels and allow Nathan
Clarity to run rings around you. So I'm expecting him
to have a decent dig. The only question really is
really match fitness. You know, playing New South Wales Cup
is totally different plane first grade Nathan Clary in the seventies.

(53:00):
On the other side is you know, obviously as fit
as a fiddle in that first first grade system. And
that's the only only problem with Sorry, Luke comes back
and possibly might be just short of a gallop.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
Yeah, how do you? I mean, it feels to me
like the Penrith Panthers are a little bit of the
boogeyman for the Warriors, right and given that it was
almost there but not quite there last time, do you
reckon the Warriors have got it in them to flip
it on them?

Speaker 13 (53:26):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (53:27):
This year definitely, I think. You know, if you've been
writing the Warriors off this year especially, you've got egg
on you know, I got egg on your face. They
you know the way they played last week, bounced back
against the Gold Coast. You know, they're only conceding forty
odd points a game and scoring well into the twenties
as far as the offense goes, So they get they
get that right the majority of the years sitting and

(53:48):
been sitting in second third place. They they'll they'll give
Penrith a real shake if they don't show up. And
that's what you're really looking at, Hither. It's like what happens.
You know, does does a home ground advantage really take
it's told to not on Penrith? You know, do they
get back to backsets of the Warriors on the calls
from the referee which they've been getting all year, And
can they really build on that momentum that they get

(54:10):
against Pirits because Penrith as well have one of the
best defensive records, one of the best offensive records, So
I'm expecting it to be really close to I think
if Luke can do a really good job in the
seven Jersey, get his kicking game right, there's no reason
why the Warriors just step up and take the two points.

Speaker 18 (54:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Well here's hoping. Hey, thank you very much, Tony appreciated.
Tony Kemp, former Warriors coach.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
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Speaker 19 (54:47):
But here we go back to New Zealand.

Speaker 13 (54:49):
A golden deities for New Zealand, from contenders to champions.

Speaker 8 (54:53):
The Commonwealth Games gold belongs to New.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
Zealand for the first time since twenty ten.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
What do we play? His quite entertaining, very exciting and
when we do get everything right, not many teams can
stop us. So I think we've definitely got the squad
to do it this year. It's been just hovering over
me for the last nearly a year.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
So another of the news is out.

Speaker 6 (55:15):
There were cleared.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
I am over the moon, happy, delighted.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
Sports tittle with us this evening. Nathan Limb, The Herald's
sports journalist, and Hamish McKay news talks he'd be rugby commentator. Lads,
Hello right, Nathan? What do you think is is like
a redemption story of sorts for Luke Metcalf.

Speaker 20 (55:34):
Yeah, it could be. It could be. It depends how
tonight goes. It might be much of a redemption story
if he doesn't play very well, but look, he said
to bid this time, and he had two very underwhelming
performances at five eights earlier in the year. The Warriors
lost both of those games and he was clearly low
on confidence. That was when he came immediately back from injury.
The difference here is he's been playing for months in

(55:55):
New South Wales Cup, so he's more accustomed to playing
in that half that role, having that those minute under
the belt. And look, this is the sort of selection
that could either go really well or really badly. And
metcalf I guess brings that X factor that if the
Warrior's pack was getting beaten up through the middle tonight.
He's the kind of player that could spark something and
could create something out of nothing, and I think the

(56:16):
Warriors really need that. So this point out, you know,
five six weeks out from the NRAL finals, this is
the time when you need to try him and just
see what he produces.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
Hemus give me some hope that we can beat the Panthers.

Speaker 21 (56:28):
I'd like to, And I think Nathan's right, it's going
to be sort of a it's an all or nothing core.
This guy, he was, you know, hot up at a
smoking pistol for a while there, and you know, could
walk on water. Then injury and then and lack of
confidence and things and sort of reduced to having a
nice sponsor's car and not doing much help and sort

(56:49):
of disappearing off the radar. If he has a good one,
we're right in, you know. And I think Tony Kan's points.
You know, they played very well this year. If you
were going to have a dollar on the Warrior, you
have a lot more confident thing you've handed in a
long time. Again, a fine doubt.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
The fingers crossing. We're gonna have our fingers cross this evening, right,
Nathan Joseph park a story about the nutritionist. If you
went to the library, Nathan and you checked the story out,
would you be finding it in the fairytale section.

Speaker 20 (57:24):
Look, I want to start this by saying that I'm
really pleased he's been cleared. He's undoubtedly in New Zealand
sporting great and I'm really looking forward to see him
fight again. I'm so happy that he's been cleared. I
raised my eyebrows at the story purely because he said
that they knew that the nutritionist was using drugs in

(57:45):
camp before this happened. So if he then suddenly tests
positive to a cocaine and they knew that the guy
handling his food was taking cocaine, surely it doesn't take
more than a couple of seconds to connect those dots,
and there isn't this period of confusion immediately after the test.
I just that that part I don't understand, Hamish.

Speaker 16 (58:10):
If you.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
If your nutritionist had accidentally contaminated you with cocaine, would
that be through having recently used the blow right next
to the chicken that cooking for you, or has he
used and got it on the hands, maybe on the surface,
or has he used the blow and then sneezed in
your food?

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Yes?

Speaker 21 (58:30):
Well, you know I probably professed to not being an
expert in either being a chef or the use of
the blow so to speak. But look, to me, it
was interesting that at no point listening to him this
morning on the wireles you know, that was like you're
having a root canow. He ducked and weaved and protect,
you know, like stood up for it, didn't want to

(58:51):
hang hiss made out to dry as nutritionists. So yeah,
it would have taken a fair old sneeze, wouldn't it.
I would have imagined.

Speaker 20 (59:00):
Hm, maybe you mixed it up with the creatam You
never know.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
You never know with things like this. I'd love to
talk to the nutritionist, wouldn't you will take a break?
Come back and just to take a quarter to two.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
The freight Esports tuddle with New Zealand South of East International.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
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Speaker 3 (59:17):
All right, you're back of the sports tittle Hamish, Mackaya
and Nathan lim Hamish the Silver Ferns scale of one
to ten? How awesome was that? Gold?

Speaker 21 (59:25):
Oh? I think it was kind of a ten, wasn't it.
You know, it was just you know the fact that
the Australians sort of got nailed out of the picture,
sort of slightly blindsided, and it sort of opened the
door and then that self belief came through and you know,
just to see Knowles like that after what must have
been a tumultuous period in her life was really cool,

(59:48):
wasn't it. I Mean it was just so nice to
see and that took it from sort of a nine
to a ten. I think.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
Yeah, Nathan again, you've you've been writing about what's going
on with the netballers looking for jobs? How many netballers.
Do you think are emailing English clubs right now trying
to land jobs?

Speaker 20 (01:00:05):
All of them. I expect all of the twelve silver
Ferns who were at the Commonwealth Games to be playing
overseas next year. I don't think you know any of
them will be mucking around. This is the this is
their lives, These are their jobs. I had a chat
to Manchester thunder coach Karen Gregg this morning and she

(01:00:25):
said that they had been inundated with New Zealand players
and agents are contacting them asking if there are contracts available,
and there won't be contracts for everyone. Let there be
clear about that. You know that there are so many
players in the age at premiership, but the top players
will all go. England are slightly restricted in the fact
that each team can only have two imports, so they

(01:00:47):
kind of handicapping themselves because they really could just pinch
whoever they liked if they just opened the floodgates and
said we can go for everyone. But it won't just
be the sort of ferns. There are other aims and
premiership players who didn't make the funds who are being targeted.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Okay, where are we at with because my understanding of
Anna Mobray and Ali Williams attempts to privatize Netbull is
that this is not going to get off the ground
for twenty twenty seven. It's a twenty twenty eight play.
But then somebody said to me yesterday, Nathan, it might
actually be twenty seven. What are you hearing?

Speaker 20 (01:01:20):
Yeah, it's probably a little bit early to say. The
talks are sort of kind of in preliminary stages, and yeah,
definitely there is something I fit for twenty twenty eight,
twenty twenty seven. They're not quite at that stage where
we can confidently say that there will be something, but
you'd imagine that they would want to put together a
sort of bridging competition to get some players into a

(01:01:44):
competition so that there's something in twenty twenty eight to
build background, because the issue is if there isn't what
exactly are building backgrom because all these players are going.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
To go, yeah, how do you like the sound of that, Hamish?
If you hear that Anna and Ali and a whole
bunch of other very wealthy people are going to buy
these clubs and stead private competition to say that, would
you would you be on board of that?

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:02:04):
Absolutely, I mean how else Still, I mean, I think
it's not necessarily the right mix for every sport, but
for us sport it's actually on the bones of it's
behind and shouldn't be because of the interest and the
player numbers through the junior great so it shouldn't be.
But for whatever reasons it is. So as far as

(01:02:25):
I'm concerned, whatever shot in the army can get where
it comes from doesn't worry me because it needs it.

Speaker 17 (01:02:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Absolutely, Okay, Nathan, What time are we getting up for
the Rugged tomorrow morning?

Speaker 20 (01:02:33):
You are got to be quartered of five?

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
No, what.

Speaker 11 (01:02:39):
Are we doing this?

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
Are we doing this?

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Hamer?

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Shall we getting five for the rugby?

Speaker 20 (01:02:44):
Yeah? Why wouldn't you?

Speaker 21 (01:02:45):
Can't for the Stormers? I'm on replay.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
That's a bit much. I mean, okay, Nathan says, why
wouldn't you? Because obviously I want to sleep And obviously, Nathan,
it's a foregone conclusion. The All Blacks are going to
funt the Stormers, aren't they?

Speaker 20 (01:03:01):
No, because they put out an experimental team and you've
got to remember from the perspective of these South African
players who the mu Zealm players haven't played. You know,
some of them have never played because of how long
ago now South Africa left Super Rugby. These South African players,
this is the one chance they're not going to play
for the spring Box. They're never going to play against
the All Blacks. Potentially in their lives again, they will

(01:03:21):
be going hell for leather. People are going to get
injured in this game. I have no doubt because if
South African players are going to be throwing themselves at
the All Blacks who have put out a lineup that
they don't we don't know what we're going to get.
You know, all new combinations, debutants off the bench, Boden
Barrats come back in the start at ten, new loose
forward combination. This is an unknown and so yeah, one

(01:03:43):
hundred percent, I'm going to get up early and I'm
going to watch it because there is going to be
something coming out.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
Of this regardles all right, Hey, if now that it's
Kamakazi rugby, I think I'm into it. What about you?

Speaker 21 (01:03:54):
Oh well, mci Rugby, what key you've got me?

Speaker 20 (01:03:59):
You've caught me.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Nathan was just saying basically that the South African players
are just going to injure everyone. I'm into this now
because this is jeopardy.

Speaker 21 (01:04:06):
In this game, Well, they're going out there to die,
that is correct. Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm on
the same now. But I look I a Greek tatally
with Nathan in terms of the in terms of the
physicality that they will bring. But I think I just
you know, I like to think I've got enough of
a finger on the piles to know what sort of

(01:04:27):
opposition they'll be, and I think our team will measure
up pretty well. And had the I just wish it
was kind of like nineteen seventy six and there was
the old Western Province. You know, it just had a
bit more meaning than the Stormers. But you know that's
from another.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Time, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
I mean, you can always vote for Winston Peters Hamish
and it will take you right back to that time
quite comfortably. Thanks guys, appreciate it, Nathan them ha much
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Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
Listen, We've we've given the p Minister a bit of
a hard time in the last week, even we well
in the last three days that I've been on here.
Basically he deserved it, but I so when he does
something that I think is actually good, we have to
give him a bit of a bouquet for that. And
I think that the way that he's handled the MMP
thing since he had the brain fart has actually been
on point. What he's done is he's just doubled down
on it. So he was at a public meeting in

(01:05:20):
Mount Roscille last night and he said he is going
to make this national party policy. And I think that
is the right approach for him to take, which is
to say, yeah, I said this, I'm the Prime Minister,
I'm the National Party leader. It will now become national
party policy. I think that's the right thing for him
to do, even though I think this is a nutty
idea and completely the wrong thing to do. We do
not need a referendum on an MMP. I don't think
he can afford to be apologizing twice in a week.

(01:05:43):
So I think for him to just go yep, made
up my mind, that's it now. From a leadership and
like authority perspective, I think that's bang on. Actually now
Andrew Little is going to be with us just after
the news which is coming up shortly because as you
well know. Well I say, as you well know, like
you are the biggest nerd in the world. You may
not well know because frankly who does. On Sunday it

(01:06:04):
is the deadline for the amalgamation. So Chris Bishop and
Simon what said to all the councils around the country.
You've got until the Sunday, the ninth of August, and
we want to know what your plans are for amalgamating.
Wellington has come up with two plans. Wellington has been
the fast movers on this right. They've been the good kids.
They've been goodie two shoes over here. They've come up
with two plans, one of which entails all of the
Wellington metros combining, and the other one entail and then

(01:06:28):
the wired upper going on its own way. And then
the other one is the pair of them, Wellington plus
wired up together in this big, big, big big super city.
They're going to take both to Chris Bishop and Simon.
Wats Chris Bishop and Simon what can decide for themselves.
We'll have a chat to Andrew little about his preference. Also,
just get us take on how things are going for
the labor Party. When he's with us. Next news talks,
he'd be.

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Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
Coming up in the next hour, Silicon Valley has really
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We'll have a chat to Peter Lewis about that. Barry
Sober will wrap the political week that was in. Gavin
Gray will give us all the news out of the UK.
It's coming up eight past six now. Wellington's mayors have
agreed to two different amalgamation plans. They're going to put
both proposals to ministers by Sunday and then let ministers

(01:07:45):
decide which to go with. Andrew Little is the Wellington mayor.
Hi Andrew Hi okay run me. So it's basically like this.
You've got one proposal that's all of Wellington plus wided upper,
and then another proposal that's Wellington and then wided up
a separate Is that right?

Speaker 18 (01:07:59):
That's correctly overlappers south winded up, a district council that
voted to support being part of a whole of region
unitary authority. So basically at Less ministers decide which which way.

Speaker 6 (01:08:12):
The cookie crumbles.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
Well, what would you prefer?

Speaker 18 (01:08:15):
Well, we supported a region wide unitary authority. That the
Wellington Council expressed a preference for a Willington Metro but
also supported a region wide or unitary authority. My views
that make sense for a whole bunch of reasons, sufficiency, reasons,
coordinating transport, environmental management, that it is region wide. But look,

(01:08:36):
two of the three wided up A councils were pretty
supportive of just a wided up A unitary authority. It
actually meets the government's criteria, their guideline, so it actually
makes sense for both proposals to go forward.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
Why why did those two councils not want to be
part of Wellington.

Speaker 18 (01:08:52):
Look, they are quite distinct, you know from Wellington that
the rural provincial sort of area you've got. You know,
towns like martin Borough Town carts in itself and Marsterton
they are they have a different character to Metro Willington.
On the other hand, of course, there's a kind of
a shed population, a chunk of the wided up. A

(01:09:13):
workforce comes into Wellington to work our a bunch of
Wellingtonians go to wide it up for their weekends off,
or you know, various things. So look the rest some crossover.
But it actually either way it fits the government's criteria.
So let them decide.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
Upper Heart is an interesting thing a because they've basically
opted out. But they've done that. It's like it's basically
virtue signaling. They're going to be forced in, aren't they.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
Well, that's what the rule saying.

Speaker 18 (01:09:38):
I mean, the whole thing is. This is about getting
more effective administration, local government, all that sort of stuff,
better coordination, getting the benefit of economies of scale where
we can. So you can't put up a proposal. Even
if you had a proposal confined to the for Wellington
Metro councils or to Wellington Metro, you couldn't do that
and achieve those objectives without Upper Heart. So if you

(01:10:00):
left it to the government to decide the whole thing,
Upperhart will be pushed together with others. So that's the
way you know it's going to end up one way
or another.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
Yes, now listen, he's obviously giving it and I'm talking
about christ Boshpere. He's obviously giving you the deadline of Sunday,
but then what happens from there? How long before he
makes his decisions and we know the final breakdown.

Speaker 18 (01:10:19):
So so I think that the two minutes is this
chrispishermen and also Simon Watts. They've said that they will
announce in September. I imagined by the end of September
which councils or groups of councils are and headstart and
what each proposal is. Once we know that, then we'll
have six months basically until the end of March next
year to then to actually do the fine detail and
actually do some decent sort of public consultation as well.

(01:10:41):
So that's really what it's hinging on.

Speaker 21 (01:10:43):
Now.

Speaker 18 (01:10:44):
Ministers have to decide who's in and who's not, and
then once we know that, then we get down and
do that the hard craft.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
What have you guys decided to do about Pigeon Park,
Because that's hilarious, isn't it.

Speaker 18 (01:10:55):
Pigeon Park there is a proposal for an upgrade out.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
To speed on it. The thing that was in the
papers yesterday, Andrew, is that the Pigeon Park upgrade was
supposed to cost three million dollars and you've just been
informed that it is now blown out to ten and
a half. Who's going to notice not a massive difference.
What are you going to do about it?

Speaker 18 (01:11:15):
So that's why I thought, mean, there's been no approval
given on any spending yet, So that's why it's all
going back, and we want a proposal that is along
the lines of what was made.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
If you are working with people who think a blowout
to the magnitude of three times the original budget is acceptable,
you really have your work cut out for you, don't you.

Speaker 18 (01:11:38):
Possibly, Yeah, But the factor is they we've picked it
up and it's going back, so we start again.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
Good Lord above, good luck. By the way, it's like
it's from one one crappy job to the next crappy job.
What's going on with the Labor Party that they're polling
at twenty eight percent? Do you think?

Speaker 18 (01:11:55):
Look, I haven't I've heard those figures today. Look, there's
a whole lot of things going on. Is going to
be a very interesting election. I think the rise of
top is adding a whole new element to it, and
that's I think reflected in the pollen figures today. And
I think people are looking around and searching around who's
got the best answers for the challenges that the country
has got, and they do want to see some collaboration.

(01:12:15):
They don't want to be distracted by the kind of
stuff that we've been seeing coming out of the or
Parliament generally. I think people are looking for something fresh
and new, which is why TOP is looking attractor.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
I think, are you voting for Top, Andrew, No.

Speaker 18 (01:12:29):
I'm sticking with my collegial and tribal the routes.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
Well, I guess that's labor, Andrew. Thank you very much
as always, really appreciate your time.

Speaker 9 (01:12:39):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
That's Andrew Little. The Wellington mayor Heather. We the South
widered up and do not want to go with Wellington.
I can say for obvious reasons, Michelle, I understand that Heather,
as you know two account Pocono residents look more to
put Coe and Auckland than to Hamilton. And I was
told that there was no option for merging North. Why
cattter with South Auckland Chris bishops shake up won't help
us get the change we need. That is true that

(01:13:01):
back in my day, when I was young and growing
growing up into a cow hard we were south Auckland.
We were south of Auckland. It was that was the
Franklin district. In Puka Koe was your big town, and
tow a Cow was a little satellite tan around that.
Now some weird thing has happened where the provincial line
has been drawn between the two. So now Puka Koe

(01:13:22):
is basically the bottom of the Auckland region and two
a Cow is the top of the northern the north
way Katta region. And it makes absolutely no sense to
anyone living in that part of the world because Pocono
is not Hamilton. Pocono is south of Auckland. But there
and this will happen around the country. There will be
weird divisions like this that are just gonna be like, no,
it makes no sense at all, and thus people will
get worked up about it. Mark my words, yep, I

(01:13:44):
give you the numbers. Ens itt X fifty is down
about a percentage point today ASX fifty is down about
a third of a percentage point so far. Today barrel
of Brent crude is costing eighty three US dollars. One
New Zealand dollar is worth fifty nine US cents eighty
three cents fifty one euro sense before UK Penson ninety
three Yen Barrisopa will wrap the political week that was
next fourteen pass six. If you're into the ushes, but

(01:14:09):
especially if you're not into the ushes, you want to
know how weird and nutty people are. I've got an
update for you, So stand by right now. It's seventeen
pass six and Barry Soper, Senior Political Correspondence wrapping the
political week that was. Welcome back, Barry, Thank you, Heather,
nice to be here again. Crime Minister will be glad
to see the end of this week.

Speaker 4 (01:14:23):
Game Willie what It's been a hell of a time
for Chris Luxen And you know, because I was overseas
last week, I didn't catch up on a lot of
the stuff until I arrived back. But goodness gracious, he's
had a really tough time. I think he probably some
of the messages he put out there were deserved. I mean,

(01:14:43):
to business owners, you can't rely on the government for everything.
You've got to make your own decisions. And I know
it's hard doing business at the moment, but he's apologized
for that. It seems that he apologizes for most things,
like although the MMP thing he doubled down on and
he said today he doubled down on that, saying that Locke,

(01:15:04):
they went into the last election saying that they wanted
to look at a four year term and MMP to
give the public another option at it. I don't think
they should be doing that. I think there's a whole
generation of voters in this country now that have voted MMP.
They know nothing else, so why should we change it now?
I think people, if you look at these polls, are

(01:15:27):
beginning to understand what MMP is about, and that's not
the absolute domination of the two big parties.

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
You also do not think, though Barry it feels a
little bit like shuffling the deck chairs. Is the refrain
that we constantly hear from people, including him, is that
this country is at risk of slipping from first to
second world status. Now, if that is what is going
on with you economically, who cares what the political system is,
get on with it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
That's absolutely right. Yes, of course they should. And although
you know there would be many I think you'll find
the second term if they do go back this coalition
government is going to be much harder. They're going to
be much harder government than what they've been. They've come
in softly, softly, I think at the beginning of this
particular term, whereas they could have been much harder in

(01:16:14):
many areas, and I could name that, we haven't got
time to go into them. But I think next time
it's a bit like if you think back to the
long e Labor government, they came in pretty hard, but
it's the second term of that government that's when they
fell apart. Of course, they came in really over the
top and did what had to be done. So I

(01:16:34):
think you'll find that if there is a return of
this coalition government, things won't necessarily be harder for the public,
but some of the decisions they make are going to
be much more tough.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
Part of that will metico be because the National Party
will be much smaller and the Act Party will be
and the New Zealand First Party bigger right, and they
will push the NETS harder because the Nets actually like
to do much. They're a status quo party. Yes, I
didn't of having these two parties to the size and

(01:17:07):
the that are bigger. They will be forced to do more,
won't They will?

Speaker 4 (01:17:10):
Because they will have if the polls hold up for
New Zealand First, and I think they probably will. You'd
only have to look at the crowds that they're pulling
in at these meetings that they're holding. And similarly, since
Paul Henry's been around, they've been holding public meetings Act
and they've been pulling in a lot of people, probably
for entertainment as much as anything else, but they've been

(01:17:33):
pulling in a lot of people. So I think these
two parties, if they have several more cabinet ministers around
the table, then you will see more significant grub.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
Now, labor cannot be happy. The labor MPs, who are
presumably also at risk of losing jobs in some cases,
cannot be happy with the showing from Chris Hopkins here.
So what are they going to do about it?

Speaker 4 (01:17:54):
Well, well, I think look, they're patting themselves on the back,
although they have been for the last two and a
half years, because I don't think anybody really expected that
labor would hold up as much as it has through
this last two and a half years. But I would
suggest it's done so because the economic turnaround that was

(01:18:16):
promised at the last election campaign couldn't happen because you've
got a guy in the White House that made sure
that that wouldn't happen to many countries around the world,
first of all with trade tariffs, and then of course
with the battle in Iran that it wasn't things couldn't

(01:18:37):
happen the way that they expected to happen. So that's
why I think, you know, the next term will be
a better one for the coalition government if it does
go back.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
Yeah, but what's Labour going to do about their stink leader?

Speaker 4 (01:18:49):
Well, if he loses this upcoming age seven point eight, yes,
that's right. But if he loses this coming election, gone,
he's gone.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
Do you think they're going to they go to the
election with him like this, They'll go into the election. Yeah,
they'll take you the whole way through.

Speaker 4 (01:19:05):
I can't. Look, they've got no person there that could
pull on the numbers like Jaidney.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
Is it more likely actually, Barry that everybody can see
it's a hospital pass and no one wants to take
the job and tarnish their own reputation.

Speaker 4 (01:19:17):
Yes, I mean, you know, I remember when Mike Moore
took over the Labor Party eight weeks out from an election,
despite many people telling him he was an idiot. Let
Jeffrey Palmer take the fall. He decided he wanted to
be called Prime minister, so he went I guess for
his own reasons. But there's no one around in labor
at the moment. I think that would be itching to

(01:19:39):
take over the party. They'll be hoping they go into
this election with a win, but I think, look, it's
going to be very difficult for them to achieve that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:48):
Yeah, fair enough, Barry, Thanks very much, as always, Barry
Soper wrapping the senior political Correspondentrapping the political week that
was six twenty three.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
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Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
So Yannikata Allen is one of the reporters on TV
three and she is currently sitting on tally in a
certain tie. We need to talk about this because this
is gonna this may, as gon say, it is going
to become a thing, but it is a Friday night
and it's TV three, and no one watches TV three,
so it's probably not gonna. But she's sitting in a
chocolate brown blazer with what looks like like a black
waistcoat on and a blue shirt and a tie, which

(01:20:38):
is generally considered to be a male outfit. And that
tie like that girl does not know how to not
a tie. That's horrible. That's a horrible tie. I don't
think I think this is supposed to be like cool.
It's not like it's not washing day. She hasn't she
hasn't run out of clothes in Nick, her husband's clothes.
This is cool. So anyway, that's happening at the moment.
Do you know the Nation's Championship, which is the championshi

(01:21:00):
that just started recently, like it just started in July,
just started last month. This is the one where the
teams in the Northern and the Southern hemisphere get together
and play each other. England is already complaining about it
and it's not even it's just like it's a month old.
They're complaining about the jet lag and the travel because
England last month played three weekends South Africa and joe Burg,
then Fiji in Liverpool and then Argentina in Argentina, and

(01:21:22):
so they had to go there to go from England
to joe Burg, back up to England, then down to
Argentina and then back. They covered forty thousand kilometers and
the loose forward Ben Earl is complaining and says it's
brew ol. He says he just wants to not travel
at all. He says he had much preferred if they
could just all go in one location, play each other
and have a festival, which is not necessarily a bad idea,
but boy, he can wine. I mean, can you just
remember for one second what it was like when we

(01:21:44):
had the proper Super Rugby Championship going on in this
country and the all Blacks in South Africa and Australia
and Argentina had to travel around the Southern Hemisphere all
the time. So he should probably just what do you know,
what is like England and South Africa's in the same
blooming time zone as well? Shut up? Basically six twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
So it's gonna be another cold one this week hand,
so you'd best stay in and watch some tally on Netflix.
You've got the new series The Last House, which stars
Vagner Moura and Gretta Lee. It's about a couple who
gets sealed in their house and they don't know how
or why. Queen of Queens of the Dead is on Shutter.
There's about a bunch of drag queens who try to
survive the zombie apocalypse during a warehouse rave. If you

(01:22:33):
liked Tiger King, you might like Monsters of God, which
is on HBO Max. It's a docu series. It follows
an eccentric reptile lover and the dark underbelly of the
exotic animal trade. At the Movies, We're to Workshop is
releasing a movie of their popular series Kitty and Lou.
This is the one from New Zealand. This one's called
Kitty and Lougo Rah and we're gonna go watch it
this weekend with the family. And if you need some music,

(01:22:55):
this is the Mountain Goats Please Chance. The direct time
I could have gone to their concert, I had tickets
and I decided to stay at dinner instead. Peter Lewis
is next.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
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The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and Ma's insurance
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Speaker 3 (01:23:31):
Be like, what Sonya starts his text, Howdy Heather for
howdy to you, Sonya. Howdy Heather. Women in suits think
it's one fashion trend that never does a woman justice.
It doesn't really does it. It doesn't really, but it

(01:23:54):
is kind of It was a very David Bernie. You
remember when David Burne of Talking Heads used to wear
all of his suits the size that kind of had
that vibe about it. But it always does feel ironic.
It's kind of like a man in a woman's dream,
you know, like if you see a man in a dress,
you're like, no ironic. You know, a woman in a soup,
no ironic. Anyway, I still have to tell you about
the ushis to standby for that. The Tories in the
UK are doing an interesting thing. They're going to cut

(01:24:15):
all housing, all public housing for people who aren't citizens.
So we'll talk to Gavin Gray about that. Short let's
twenty three away from seven. Peter lewis Asia Business Correspondents
with us right now. Hey, Peter, good evening. Have have
you talked me through what's going on with Silicon Valley
getting the jitters about the Chinese AI?

Speaker 19 (01:24:32):
Yes, well, this is because China is coming up with
a whole range of new AI models. At the moment,
they've almost been coming out sort of daily. And what
these models are showing is that when you test them
against the big USAI firms like open Ai, like Anthropic,

(01:24:53):
they do almost as well both in terms of performance
and speed, but fraction of the cost. And you may
be spending only ten percent of your money to get
a token on a Chinese AI model as you would
on one of the big US ones. So China is
really making ground very very quickly on the US in

(01:25:17):
terms of the quality and the state and the speed
of its models. Now this has huge significances because the
Chinese way of doing this is to have it all
open source, so in other words, anyone can obtain the
codes to these models, can test them themselves, and if

(01:25:37):
you want to participate in one of these models, you
can do it very cheaply. Now the US has almost
the opposite. All their models are closed and they want
to charge premium prices for them. And you have to
remember that the big companies in the US are spending
enormous amounts of money on developing these models, hundreds of

(01:26:00):
billions of dollars each to build the huge data centers
and the memory capacity that is needed to run these models.
So the share prices of a lot of these companies
that are involved are very high. You've got companies like
Anthropic and open Ai that want to list fairly soon.

(01:26:21):
But this is upending all the conversations about the value
of these companies because if you can do most of
the things that a US model does at a fraction
of the price, why go and pay for one of
these US models to do that? Now, if this really develops,
there's going to have to be a big rethink about
the prices of some of these companies like Apple, like Microsoft,

(01:26:46):
like Amazon, and then and also the companies that want
to list going forward about you know, whether you may
be better off looking at one of these Chinese models.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
I mean, yeah, this is going to be one of
the more fascinating developments. To keep an eye on the
other thing that I'm interested in as well. You'll take
on this is there? Do you expect that there is
going to be further intervention on the.

Speaker 19 (01:27:08):
En, probably because this won't work. For if the short
term it will work, it's sort of put a bit
of a flaw under the yen, but in the longer term,
it doesn't deal with the reasons why the yen is weak.
Scott Besson says, the yen is undervalued, so do the

(01:27:30):
Japanese currencies. But you know, the Japanese yen trades in
the currency markets, one of the biggest markets in the world,
huge amounts of liquidity. So who are they to say
they know better than the markets as to what the
en should be worth. And there are very good reasons
as to why the Japanese yen is weak. The first

(01:27:52):
one is the huge difference in interest rates between the
US and Japan. In the US interest rates the Fed
Funds rates is about three and a half to three
and three quarter percent. In Japan, interest rates are one percent.
So you get a much better return by boring in
yen and then selling that yen to get dollars and

(01:28:15):
investing in US dollars you pay one percent. Well, actually,
if you do it for two years in Japan, you'll
pay about one point six percent. If you invest for
two years in the US you'll get about four point
two percent, And is a big interest rate differential. The
second reason why the yen is weak is because the
Bank of Japan is very slow at raising interest rates.

(01:28:35):
It's going at a glacial pace at the moment when
inflation has picked up, and it really justifies much higher rates.
One percent interest rates is not particularly restrictive. And then
you've also got a Japanese government that is boring money
very heavily to fund its fiscal spending program, a large
part of which are tax cuts, and that also puts

(01:28:59):
pressure on the Japanese yen. The government needs a week
end to be able to pay for all this money
that it's boring. It's got one of the highest debt
to GDP ratios of any country in the world. So
they are very solid reasons as to why the yen
is weak, and this intervention doesn't deal with any of
those reasons. So at some point we're probably going to

(01:29:23):
see the yen slide again back to where it was
before this intervention started.

Speaker 3 (01:29:28):
You make a very good point, as always, Peter, Thank
you very much, appreciate it. Peter Lewis, Asia Business Correspondent, eighteen.

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
One, give a duper c Ellen, right.

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
You want to know how nutty people are for the ushies.
Get a load of this. If you go on to
eBay or trade me, you are going to find ushi's
for sale. On trade me. They listen them. You know
what I'm talking about. When I'm talking about the ushi's
a it's like the Woolworths thingies. So the little packets
that you get in the kids go rip them open.
It's excite as a rubbery little character from one of
the movies anyway, So it's a rubbery little character from

(01:29:57):
one of the movies. Like there'll be three D print
for like absolutely nothing, five cents or something like that.
I don't know. I don't really know what the manufacturing
cost of an ushi is, but tell you what it's not.
It's what it's selling for. On eBay. eBay, you can
buy yourself a rare Lion King limited collection will worse sushi's.
How much do you reckon for a second hand Lion

(01:30:21):
King Ushi? Bet you didn't guess fourteen thousand, seven hundred
and eighty eight dollars seventy six cents, did you? Fourteen thousand,
seven hundred and eighty eight dollars and seventy six cents.
You can get yourself a Woody. The Woody is a colorful.
All the woodies I've got a colorful, but this is
a golden Woody brand new twelve and a half thousand

(01:30:41):
New Zealand dollars X four Ultra rare Golden R two
D two and three Ultra rare Golden Lightning mc queen
Oushi's at twelve thousand dollars. I didn't think that they
were that rare. I've got lots. I've got a lot
of the X fours, like four times of them. I've
got lots of them. I've probably got four R two
D twos in and four golden lightning mccoins. I should

(01:31:02):
be charging twelve thousand dollars an eBay as well. Anyway,
it goes on and on. Goodbuys have a gold Ushi
R two D two just the one eleven thousand dollars
you gud buys have a R two D two gold
Ushi Ultra rare ten and a half thousand dollars. The
amount of money that people I've just done it. Surely
people aren't buying it. Surely this is just you're putting
it up there and you're just dreaming. Anyway, that's what's

(01:31:24):
going on on the second hand market. I am surprised
to find out that people have changed their behavior in
order to collect the Ushi's. One Auckland Lady has told
media that that she switched from shopping at Pack and
Save to switch to shopping at Woolworths to collect the
set for her grandson. The grand sounds now got everything,
so she's going to go back to Pack and Save
and start saving money again. Nutty. She even went and

(01:31:45):
sometimes in order to get the Ushi because her shop
wasn't enough, She would buy a packet of like chewing
gum or something in order to get the ushi. Woolworth
says two thirds of the Ushi stock are already out there,
ninety percent of the display cases have been sold. Crazy
eight sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
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Speaker 3 (01:32:19):
Hither AI says that your Ushi's at fourteen thousand dollars
a fake auctions. Money's never transferred. I hope, so, I
hope your AI is right. Otherwise the human behind that
is completely nutty, and the human paying for it is
even nuttier. Thirteen away from seven. Devin Gray, UK correspondent
is with that's Elogevin either hell Gaven took me through
this business with the Tories in their social housing yeap.

Speaker 8 (01:32:41):
Migration has been at the top of the political agenda
all week and will continue I think to be so
for a few days. Yet largely as a result of
that influx of seventy eight thousand migrants pouring into a
North African enclave of Spanish territory in just a matter
of a few days. So here the main party of opposition,

(01:33:02):
the Conservatives, said that they would basically end the provision
of social housing for foreign nationals in England if they
win power at the next election. Social housing otherwise known
as sort of council housing, and of course it's much
cheaper than on the sort of private market, so the
party says it will end new tenancies for all foreign nationals,
as well as current tenrancies for couples where neither person

(01:33:26):
is a UK, Irish or EU citizen, and that will
free up an estimated two hundred and twenty eight thousand
homes for British families. There's been a massive, massive ground
swell of unrest over the fact that many British families
are on the waiting list for a long, long, long
long time, and a finding that newly arrived migrants or
asylum seekers to the country are being put ahead of

(01:33:48):
them on the list. And therefore this I think will
prove very popular. But it comes just a couple of
months after the reform UK lead in Nigel Farah says
he's going to make it a requirement for foreign national
tenants to provide private or to find private accommodation within
three months all face possible deportation if his party won power.

(01:34:09):
So we're definitely seeing a tightening of the screws here
about how migrants are being treated. Some are saying they
are still being made far, far, far too welcome in
terms of what's on offer for them and the housing
and all the various things that they can receive. But
this I think shows that at least the Conservatives, now
having been in power for so long, I realizing that

(01:34:31):
perhaps they didn't do enough when they were in power.

Speaker 3 (01:34:33):
Yeah too right, Okay, how did the police explain that
they were investigating the journalist who was investigating the plagiarism professor?

Speaker 8 (01:34:44):
Yeah, yeah, it's an extraordinary story. So a journalism put
some inquiries in to Cambridge University's first black professor, and
the questions were very sort of formal, very pleasant, polite,
just saying, look, I'm just wondering some of your assignments,
some of your pieces of work appear to be very

(01:35:08):
similar to pieces of work elsewhere. In other words, has
anything been plagiarized now, this particular a black professor, it
appears or somebody then contacted the police to complain about
this journalist's inquiries, and it was the journalist who was
told by the Metropolitan Police, the big major police force

(01:35:30):
out of London, back off, do not approach this professor again,
and you.

Speaker 1 (01:35:37):
Leave him alone.

Speaker 8 (01:35:38):
He's done nothing wrong. You're in danger of harassing him. Well,
it turns out that the journalist has largely been correct.
The professor, who's a forty one year old who's basically
admitted now errors in some of his work, though he
has denied plagiarism. But it's the journalist got approached by

(01:36:00):
the police and told to back down. So in this instance,
the head, the most senior police officer in the UK,
has said his force quote dropped the ball. When it
spent four months investigating the journalist examining claims about this
Cambridge professor. So many people are saying this is exactly
what is meant by two tier policing. When did the

(01:36:22):
police take this attitude because the professor was black or
they would they have taken the same attitude if the
professor was white. Either way, the ongoing claims of this
professor have been quite extraordinary, running miles and miles and
miles for marathons, making over I think, collecting over ten
million New Zealand dollars for charities and being offered an

(01:36:43):
mb all of which we've yet to see the proof for.

Speaker 3 (01:36:47):
Interesting. Yeah, your police forces are quite strange, Gavin. I'll
tell you that somebody's looking from overseas. Thanks mate, appreciate it.
Gavin Gray, UK correspondent, just want to draw your attention
to something that is going to happen, possibly before the election,
but definitely the end of this year, which is that
we're going to get a decision on the South Island
water case. This is going to be significant, right. This
is the case where Naight Tahu is essentially asserting sovereignty

(01:37:10):
over all of the water in the South Island, the
fresh water in the South Island they say they never
gave up sovereignty. It's going to be controversial, especially if
this decision comes out before the election. It's due this year,
so pre election period starts now, which is generally a
period in which you are supposed to it's at least,
you know, the governments and the public service is supposed
to be as neutral as possible and try try to

(01:37:31):
just keep things simple and you know, not try to
politicize things. Judge is not bound by that, So this
judge can actually release this decision before that the election.
Keep an eye on that. Don't need me to repeat
controversial twice. Seven away from seven. Hey, I told you
yesterday that I'm quite excited about the podcast. Just a
reminder that podcast is coming out to Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
Sunday.

Speaker 3 (01:37:55):
The whole weekend, by the way, is jam packed. It's
just going to be an absolute festival of one hundred
years of z Be. They were showing me the magazine.
There's a magazine that's going to be going in the
Herald on Sunday. It's full of all kinds of stuff.
That Emerson did a cartoon of all the radio hosts.
I'm dark on Emerson after that, I'm not gonna, Lie,
he gave me a double chin.

Speaker 2 (01:38:12):
I looked at it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:12):
I went, what the hell's wrong with you? Not very
good at cartoons, are you, mate? So look at that.
It's a double chin. Then Kylie came over. Kylie works
with us. Kylie went, let me see, old jeez, he
has giving you a double chin. So I just want
I'm just going, I'm just saving that one up because
Emyson can destroy me with his little pen. I'm not
very good at drawings. I can't do that to him,

(01:38:33):
but I'll find ways. I've got my words. Just wait
putting that on my back pocket. Anyway. So the magazine
is Cool Herald on Sunday. Then you've got the podcast
that Mike's hosting, which is coming out on Sunday, and
that's going to be full of Aunt Daisy and merv
and all the cool stuff. And then I think Raman's
got to show tomorrow evening, and Frank's got a show
on Sunday evenings. It's just jam packed. So just Filly Boots,

(01:38:54):
Philly Boots.

Speaker 22 (01:38:54):
And Stella, Lefty le Lean and yeah, that's thing. Just
a couple of days after Stella left, he came to
the show's attention because you, and as it turns out,
quite a few people on the internet. I think she
sounds like Sheryl Crow. She's put a brand new song out,
so this one is called lean In kiss Me. She's
only had one big hit in New Zealand so far,
so this this is the make or breaks. She'll either
be a one hit wonder, or she'll be you know,

(01:39:16):
the hot up and coming new pop star, or she might.

Speaker 3 (01:39:18):
Just have two hits.

Speaker 22 (01:39:19):
That happens too sometimes.

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
But anyway, does he sound like Cheryl in this one?

Speaker 18 (01:39:27):
Not really.

Speaker 3 (01:39:28):
It's a bit more kind of it's a bit more
run of the mill.

Speaker 4 (01:39:30):
Oh no? Was that?

Speaker 22 (01:39:32):
Was that her point of difference that she sounded like
Cheryl and it's gone now?

Speaker 3 (01:39:35):
Or that's a worried only reason I liked her for
five minutes. Have you seen the Emerson cartoon with My
Double Chin?

Speaker 4 (01:39:41):
I haven't.

Speaker 8 (01:39:41):
No.

Speaker 22 (01:39:42):
I will say, though, you will probably not be the
first public figure to complain about how you're depicted by
a political cartoonist. And I don't know whether or not
Emerson's going to be put off by that or not.

Speaker 3 (01:39:51):
Really doesn't care Emerson Emerson rolls, but.

Speaker 22 (01:39:54):
It'll be a trouble Chin next time. See, this is
the problem is he can he can rat shet it up.
You know, he's probably like, oh you wait, you wait
for what I've got.

Speaker 3 (01:40:01):
That's bad, wait till last, stay exactly witches here and
all kinds of devil horns. Okay, anyways, see you enjoy,
enjoy the festival of coverage over the weekend. We'll see
you on Monday and bye, tell.

Speaker 13 (01:40:11):
Me, tell me Deep Deal and feeling.

Speaker 1 (01:40:25):
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