Full Show Podcast: 07 May 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
Duper Clan drive with One New Zealand to coverage like
no one else News Talks Evy.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today,
Zidar has finally picked a new boss, Steve Lancaster. He's
with us after five. Cameron Baggery is going to took
us through the OECD report saying we need to make
huge changes to the electricity sector, and Chris Bishop has
ordered a review of why it is that the CRL
in Auckland is so expensive. He's with us after half
past Heather Dupericla half past five. That is, by the way. Now,

(00:35):
I would have thought that after all that publicity that
Wellington's City Council's been getting and the paid staff have
been getting for being busted doing things behind the backs
of the elected councilors, they pross probably possibly wouldn't do
it again, and yet here we are they've been busted
doing it again. So the latest revelation is that they
have decided to exempt themselves from a government law that

(00:56):
was brought in about three months ago that stops employees
who earn more than two hundred thousand dollars from taking
personal grievance cases against their bosses if their bosses fire them,
as in, there will be no golden handshake if you've
been sacked and you're earning that much money. But guess what,
Wellington City Council bosses decided they weren't going to do that,
and they exempted forty two of their staff from this

(01:18):
particular law, which is kind of unbelievable because this law
is supposed to make it easier for bosses to fire
in competent managers who are doing much doing nothing much
for years on end in their jobs. And Wellington City
Council knows that they have, according to a recent report,
possibly a couple of hundred staff that they need to
get rid of. They have one of the highest levels
of staffing in the country. When you compare them with

(01:40):
other councils. Each household in Wellington is paying for nineteen
full time equivalent staff Upperhart, just up the road, they
are only supporting ten stuff. Wellington City Council nineteen stuff.
As I say, they didn't tell the elected councilors that
they'd taken this decision, but a councilor found out about
it started asking questions. Turns out it was true. Technically

(02:00):
the council can say they didn't have to tell the
elected council is this This is an employment decision, they
can make it by themselves. But even the Mayor, Andrew Little,
has said this should have come to the council to
sign off. It's not a good look. It is becoming
a bit of a running theme, isn't it, Not just
in Wellington but around the country. Unelected staff making decisions
in secret that ratepayers probably wouldn't love if they knew

(02:23):
about it.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Good Heather d to see Ellen tell you what.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Jordan Williams Taxpayers Union not happy about this at all.
He's with us after six o'clock. Nine two nine two
is the text number. Now. Young people say devices and
mental health are the most important issue that they are
facing right now. The latest youth Line ASB State of
the Generation report has looked at young people who are
aged between the ages of twelve and twenty four and
has found that the most important issues the top three

(02:51):
are phone addiction, social media and mental health. Youth Line's
chief executive Shay Ronald is with us now. High Shae, I,
have you surprised that phones came in so high, sixty
six percent.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
It's interesting because when you look at the survey, if
you look at the most important issues for young people,
it was actually mental health, followed by bullying, sorry, lack
of job opportunities.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
They're bullying.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
But when you ask them what were the most common
issues facing young people, that's when we saw screen addiction,
phone addiction.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Well, how do we split those? Like how why do
they answer them differently?

Speaker 4 (03:22):
I think if you think about the numbers of young
people who are experiencing the issues versus how important they're ranking. Yeah,
that's the difference there.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Okay, So the most common issues then are the phones
in the social media and then the mental health. Did
that surprise you because I think a lot of parents, like,
given the way the kids talk about their phones, a
lot of parents would think they actually love them.

Speaker 5 (03:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
I thought it was great that young people are noticing that,
you know, screen addiction, phone addiction is an issue for them,
and as we know, is an issue for many adults
in our communities, and that they are looking at how
they can bring about some solutions.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Way did you go under the hood and ask them
many questions about what that practically means, Like It's one
thing to say my phone addiction or my social media
is an issue, but what does that mean in your life?
Did you ask on that year? We didn't. We didn't ask.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
We didn't even know, you know, the definition of phone
addiction and screen addiction. It was up to young people
to sort of self select whether they thought that that
might be an issue for them. So I think that's
something that, you know, further research could be done around that.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
It's not really surprising that jobs came up a because
yesterday we had the unemployment figures and it's massive, especially
for young women.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
It's huge. It's huge, and we're seeing so many young people,
like especially coming out of university graduates, who just can't
see any access to job opportunities.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
What do we do about them? I think we've got to.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
Support young people to understand, like managing their mental health
through you know, applying for jobs is as important as
polishing your CV, that we make sure these opportunities, like
volunteer opportunities, they might be courses they can do. It's
also them understanding that rejection will be part of this
current situation. It's not a personal reflection on them or
their abilities.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Okay, I here because unfortunately, there's not a lot you
can do if the jobs aren't available, is it do
you think? I'm just thinking about about what you just
said about mental health and about them having the resilience.
There seems to be a problem there though they don't
actually know that these services are available. If you read
the data.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
Yeah, and that was that worrying, Yes, hugely. That's very
concerning that forty one percent couldn't name one mental health organization,
especially since we're facing a youth mental health crisis in news.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
There is that a problem though, shee in. If you
think about modern day, you might not know a mental
health organization off the top of your head, but you
are able to google it and find it within about
five seconds flat. So is it a problem they can't
name them?

Speaker 4 (05:40):
I think so, because you know, how do you know
where you can turn to it?

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Or knowing that there's even one organization.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
I think about our twenty four seven helpline that's available
throughout the country, just to know. We want every young
person to know that they can always turn to that
if they've got no other support, and there's other services
in the community who can also support them. I think
a lot of young people seem to be going to
AI and it says that in the survey and to
social media, and sometimes that's not the best in terms

(06:09):
of getting safe, robust support. So it's really important they
know some of the more formal channels of support.

Speaker 6 (06:14):
So I think that is really important.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
We talk a lot about young people on the show,
obviously because they're such a big part of our community.
And the theme that we constantly get and we've got
it a couple of times this week even is young
people nowadays are not as resilient as they used to
be because they're being molly coddled by millennial parents who
are just a bunch of soft touches. Do you have
any kind of, like over a period of time evidence
of that being the case.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
I do think we need to do more work around
building resilience in young people. I think over time there
have been changes in parenting practices and things like that
that may have impacted on resilience levels.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
You're being so.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
Nice, your gentle parenting is not good for your kids, right.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
I think boundaries are super important.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
Accountability is really important, but also young people are under
pressures these days. We weren't under like there's a lot
coming at them that we never ever had to, you know,
issues we did.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Do you think about it? Like my mum was raised
and my father were raised by the war generation, you know,
which had its own issues. Yes, we don't have now, Yes,
So I mean, can we really say it's harder for them.
It's just different.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
I think if you look at it, I think there
is a lot more pressure on young people these days
and thinking about uncertainty of the future. Like we didn't
ever think about the geopolitical Wow, I didn't the geopolitical issues.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
I didn't think about climate. Your children are not hungry,
you know what I mean? Like my granny was hungry
the whole time. There's different things that we stress out about.
What do you think?

Speaker 4 (07:41):
I also think we talk more about mental health, which
is great, whereas that our generation and the previous didn't
quite write.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
I mean, we won't even talk to use that where
as were we Shae, listen, thanks very much. I really
appreciate its Shay Ronald, who is a youth Line Chief executive.

Speaker 7 (07:55):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
As we said Inzida's Chosen its CEO. It's Steve Lancaster.
He's been in the job on anter and basis for
about six months and they've dropped their their profit and
losses today and you know it's what we predicted. So
I'll run you through that shortly quarter past four.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
It's the Heather duper se Allan Drive Full Show.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
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Speaker 2 (08:17):
Here that my grandparents grew up in fear of the
Japanese invading. I grew up with the threat of nuclear
will we all had our stuff, Sam Well said eighteen past.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Four, sport with Generates putting performance first Generate Keywisavor dot
Co dot.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
N s Darcy Watergrove sports talkhosters with me, Hello.

Speaker 8 (08:33):
Dars, I grew up in fear of myself.

Speaker 9 (08:36):
It's even worse.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
And what's changed is that you're no longer living in
fear of yourself what the rest of us are.

Speaker 9 (08:42):
Thank you very much, Thank you great to be on board.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Just walk out the door and what happened? Did you
touch her?

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Show?

Speaker 1 (08:47):
No?

Speaker 9 (08:48):
No, no, no no.

Speaker 8 (08:48):
I was standing in the doorway and she came out
and she placed both.

Speaker 9 (08:52):
Of her hands on my waist. You saw it, and I, ah.

Speaker 8 (08:56):
I'm being touched in appropriately and she went, yeah you
and I who was that?

Speaker 9 (09:02):
I feel sorry?

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Well, I feel sorry. Hey listen. Okay, so we've got
Steve Lancaster, boss of New Boss of nz R. It's
going to be with us after five o'clock. So let's
talk to you about the NALI stuff so that I
don't have to talk to him about it.

Speaker 9 (09:16):
Great.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
He's not their first choice, is he?

Speaker 9 (09:19):
Probably not?

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Because it was Tom Harrison of Six Nations.

Speaker 9 (09:24):
That looked like it.

Speaker 8 (09:25):
I don't know what happened in the interim, but maybe
he came over, checked out the lay of the land,
checked out the people who are actually running the show,
and thought, you know what, I don't want to be
under this. And I wonder how much power David Kirk
has in this, And if he met David Kirk and
went okay, David Kirk very powerful man. He is the

(09:48):
CEO by proxy, isn't he Really? He runs the show.

Speaker 9 (09:51):
So maybe they're like, wow, now if I work like this,
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (09:55):
I'm just drawing ideas up in the air.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Somebody suggested the pay is like no thousand to one
point one million, it's not enough to get somebody like
Tom Harrison over here.

Speaker 9 (10:05):
Well there is that what a CEO zer?

Speaker 8 (10:07):
I think the bloke he runs this place earns a
few meal, doesn't he In general it's quite high for Looten.
They make a lot of money.

Speaker 9 (10:13):
But I think there's a lot of this bit of
ego in this as well. I'm the CEO of New
Zealand Rugby. That's pretty cool.

Speaker 8 (10:19):
It's got to make up for a few hundred grand
and these people make up fortune anyway. They don't care really,
just numbers, right. But what I like about this and
I think there's been a turnaround because he was supposed
to be the Chief Rugby Officer at Lancaster once they
got the new CEO. Ah, that was the role he
was going into and that was released what February, I think,

(10:41):
so that is obviously no along the case, so they
have to find a new person to do that. But
I think when you look at the delegation of roles
within New Zealand to rugby, you've now got a very
good CFO, You've got a very good c COO. So
you've got two guys who understand the commercial realities of
playing on a global stage with the likes of Silver

(11:03):
Like the list goes on. So in the case of Lancaster,
he doesn't have to be right. He needs to be
across the business, but he doesn't have to be right
in the weeds of the financial side of that, and
that's a really important part of ian z are. What
they want is a figurehead, someone who screams New Zealand
Rugby's played for Canterbury, he's played for Crusaders, He's been

(11:24):
involved in at a community rugby level. He knows everybody,
really affable guy and he provides that real New Zealand
sides to being a CEO. He's like one of the
people like I've interview don't I have, I've interviewed in fans. Yeah,
and he does it really Also, does he have to
be the wants the financially No he doesn't. He's got

(11:45):
to be across it. Obviously he does. But I think
part of that they went, well, you know what, we've
actually got the ideal guy right here. If we can't
get this high falute and two billion dollar people across
the tron two million dollars years across the line, so
he's done, so why not and you've seen that new
selling rugby that they're starting to understand the concept delegation. Yeah,
and now with the coach and now the coach has

(12:08):
answered a couple of people, and now it's this structure
which there hasn't been before. I mean, if you're being really.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Hey, okay, that's enough. You know what, You've got your
own show after seven o'clock.

Speaker 9 (12:18):
This is my show.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Okay, thank you, Darcy? Is there anything else?

Speaker 10 (12:20):
No?

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Actually, I regree with that question already, Darcy Watergrave sportstalok Coast.

Speaker 8 (12:24):
As long as you didn't touch me inappropriately in the studio.
That's why I'm sitting so far across the desk from you.
And tonight the show Gregor Paul was going to talk
about this with us.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Ask him about Yeah, he's back at seven.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
It's Heather Duplicacy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else news talks.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
There'd be twenty five haven't listened to this? And tell
me if this offends.

Speaker 6 (12:49):
You, what will you do with the money?

Speaker 5 (12:51):
If he makes money this evening.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
I have always wanted to go to the taj Mahal,
so I'm going to drag my family along to there
and we're going to give that quintessential picture of it
in front of the taj Mahals.

Speaker 5 (13:01):
You've got to be so careful what you eat. I've
got like, ah, I'm not going to exaggerate three or
four friends who've exploded at the taj Mahal.

Speaker 11 (13:10):
And that's what do you do there?

Speaker 5 (13:12):
It's very hard to find a bathroom, you know, they
just can you imagine it? Just remember that when you
get there, all right, when you turn around, face the options.
Now forty five thousand taj Mahal, you can buy a
lot of wet wipes without.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
That's Paul Henry on the chase that went to the BSA.
That went to the BSA. Somebody complained about it breach
the Discrimination and Denigration Broadcasting Standard. They said the comments
had the potential to encourage discrimination against India and Indian
people through reinforcing harmful racial stereotypes that Inda brackets and
by India brackets and by association, Indian people are dirty

(13:49):
and unhygienic. They are colonial ira narratives that have historically
been used to demean Indian people in South Asian communities
and to portray their environments as inferior. I mean, or
is it just the case that if you go somewhere
with your little New Zealand stomach. You're probably gonna get
sick in another environment. Doesn't matter what it is. Anyway,
the BSA, Paul Henry only just got away with this,

(14:13):
only just The BSA actually had a split decision on it.
Susie Staley, who's the chair, and Karen Fent and Alice
both said it did not breach the discrimination denigration standard.
John Gillespian Udorhabek said it did. The only reason he
won is because Susie is the chair, so she basically
gets the casting vote. Can you believe that? Do you
need any more reason as to why the BSA needs
to be got rid of? Anyway, here we go. N

(14:36):
z ARE posted a net loss as predicted seven and
a half million dollars. That is, despite record revenue of
three hundred and four million dollars in an operating profit
of seven hundred thousand dollars. One of the problems that
nz ARE has, and this is something I don't know
how they gonna deal with this, is just becoming really
expensive to fly teams around the world. So it was
if the problem seems to be the union has written

(14:59):
it into the contracts that teams like the National sevens
teams should now travel business class to their various tournaments
around the world. But the cost of business class tickets
has gone up by like ten thousand dollars for Auckland
to London over the last year. I'm not begrudging their
business class trips. I mean, who doesn't love that, but
it is making it very hard for them to kind
of figure out how they're gonna square those books. Right.

(15:20):
So this is Steve Lancaster's job. He's with us after
five labachat to him. News US next.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Hard questions strong opinion here the duplicy Ellen drive with
one New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile. News
Dog said, be.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
But verissit us in ten minutes time, and Murray Olds
is standing by. So Jeffrey Epstein's suicide note has been
released by a federal drudge. I don't know if you've
been following this, but it was revealed recently that the
note exists. Did I think Fellow and Made or something
had found it, but it was being stored under lock
and key and nobody had seen it. But now this
US federal judge has unsealed it. It says, in part,

(16:09):
they investigated me four months, found nothing. It is a
treat to be able to choose one's time to say goodbye.
No fun, not worth it. The thing about it is
the Justice Department says it is not sure if the
note is legitimate because it is unsigned. Twenty four away
from five.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
It's the world wires on news talks they'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Tavengers aboard the Envy Hondiust cruise ship have spoken out
after the Hunt virus outbreak. In its latest update, the
World Health Organization says eight cases of the virus, primarily
found in rodents, three confirmed in five suspected, have been
identified in people who were on the ship. Former passenger
Ruhi Chennett has described the scenes.

Speaker 12 (16:47):
It was very shocking because viav on board with these
people for twenty four days straight. We had relationships, so
I knew these people and I'm very sad that they're
going through this human crisis. I just wish them to
get well.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Donald Trump is once again hoping the Iranian regime will
agree to a deal. Iran says that a US proposal
to end the war is still being considered after reports
the two sides could be close to an agreement. Here's
Donald Trump.

Speaker 13 (17:17):
The blockade is unbelievable. The Navy has been incredible the
job they did. It's like a wall of steel. Nobody
goes through, in particular the Iranians and not getting anything
through one way or the other. So they're out of
business and we'll see whether or not they are agreeing.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
And after a number of incidents, Thailand is vowing to
keep a closer eye on the tourists and what they're
getting up to.

Speaker 14 (17:42):
Now.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
This comes after holidaymakers were caught getting a bit frisky,
like full noise, like fourth based friskie and a top top.
The Prime Minister says tourists getting it on in public
will face prosecution as it contradicts the beautiful culture of Thailand.
It's good to see their Prime Minister as focusing on
the important.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Things, international correspondence with ens and eye insurance, peace of
mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Murrayol's Dogie correspondents to us Alo Maas.

Speaker 14 (18:10):
Hello, Heather, good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
All right, So how much is the government spending on
getting the fuel reserves up?

Speaker 14 (18:15):
Well, there's going to be ten billion dollars in the
budget next week to boost domestic fuel reserves here and
fertilizer as well. That's been confirmed by the Prime Minister
Anthony albaniz He says it's in the budget to Currently
refiners and importers have to have up to thirty two
days of emergency supplies depending on the fuel lay hold,

(18:38):
but that's going to be increased by an extra ten days,
so that means petrol reserves will be out to thirty
seven days. Diesel and jet fuels are around fifty now.
The opposition's whining about this, says there's nowhere near enough
and we have to start developing new oil fields and
boost refining capacity. We've only got two refineries in one
of those of course caught last month and blew up

(19:01):
or part of it blew up. So look, it's not
a good Australia is at the end of a supply chain,
of course, with limited ability to refine on shore. Most
of our product was brought of course out of Asia, Singapore,
South Korea and Malaysia, so it's not an ideal situation,
particularly where twenty percent of the world's supply is currently

(19:24):
stuck and you know it can't get through the Strait
of Horn moves, so look, it's a welcome move. I
think most people are going to say, well, here's a
move in the budget. Yes, it's going to cost money,
but it's probably money very well spent.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Most do we know what time these isis brides and
the kids are arriving?

Speaker 14 (19:41):
Well, I don't know, but our news rooms certainly will.
There's a flight coming into Melbourne tonight and it's a
cut Airways flight, so there won't be too many arriving
in Melbourne this evening. I think it'll be easy to
work out which one it is. There's also a flight
coming into Sydney. Melbourne is the one with to the
people on board, we've got four women and thirteen children.

(20:07):
I think it was. I'm just trotting that.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
It was, nads. It was a total party of thirteen,
wasn't it four?

Speaker 14 (20:12):
Coasting your pardon? But I'm old enough I walk into
rooms now and forget what the hell I've gone in
there for, So please forgive me anyway you cut it,
you know. And it's not as that this hasn't happened before.
It's happened before under Labor, and it happened under Scott
Morrison the Coalition. But the whole thing has been weaponized
to Billio. Now over here the oppositions screaming about this,

(20:34):
saying it's dreadful. They should be banned. Well, the fact
of the matter is they can't be banned. They're Australian
citizens traveling on Australian passports. The government, it's part, is
bending over backwards to tell anyone who's interested, Oh, we're
not helping them, we're not helping them.

Speaker 15 (20:47):
Oh no, no, no.

Speaker 14 (20:48):
But the fact is they cannot be banned from coming
back to their own countries. However, Federal police say at
least one of these women, possibly more, are going to
have some pretty sick various charges laid against them. Well,
one of them, we understand, is going to be pardon me,
it's going to be in terms of it's not a

(21:10):
war crime, but it's a crime against humanity and that's slavery.
And the others, of course, are also involved with terrorism.
That's going to be the allegation because these women followed
their partner's stroke husbands too, Siria. Because these halfwooded blokes
went to fight for Islamic state. That didn't end so well.
Most of them died and the others are in prison.

(21:32):
So now these women want to come home. Their children
are Aussies. Apparently one of the kids even as an
Aussie accent because he's grown up in this refugee camp
with mum. He sounds dinky die ossie. So I'm not
sure what's going to happen when they get back here.
There's all sorts of education programs and also bear in
mind the previous people who have come home, women and children.

(21:54):
They've vanished into Australian society. I mean, no one cares.
They're not causing any problems. The kids go to school
and growing up.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, now how many of them do we because they
have been a bit vague even they as to how
many of them are going to be arrested? Is it
all four of them?

Speaker 14 (22:09):
I don't think all four at least one according to
the head of the Australian Federal Police as she has said,
one will be arrested and charged, but others will be
The other adults will certainly be questioned interest and as
far as the children are concerned, there's all sorts of
agencies who are going to be rolling out the red
carpet for these children, who no doubt have seen things

(22:31):
that probably other kids of their age would never even imagine.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah, myles, thanks for talking us through it. Appreciated. Murray
Old's Australian correspondent. By the way, there's the Pharaoh by
election this Saturday, which is going to be the big
test of whether Pauline Hansen's One Nation candidate can get
over the lines of keeping eye on that eighteen away
from five Heather do for see Allen Love the old
Epstein texts. Epstein's suicide here the fake news. His brother

(22:55):
thinks otherwise, like many others, hear the long that notice
bs He's still alive. It's doing a good job of
hiding if he is. Now the OECD has published its
two yearly report on what the government do to should
do to help our economy, and there are some stuff
in here that I think is genuinely worth considering, particularly
in the area of electricity. Now, the OECD says electricity

(23:17):
prices are too high. They say too structurally too high, which,
of course you and I know. The dividend payout ratios
of the gent tailors are too high. They quote far
exceed international norms. The OECD says the government should reduce
those dividend payouts, set up a separate market for so
called firming power. I'll come back to that. Consider making
minority investments in the likes of bio biomass generation, which

(23:38):
Shane Jones is already doing. Maybe consider a minority investment
in pumped hydro, something smaller, they say, than the proposed
Lake on Zo scheme, which was just so expensive. They
reckon they need to slash the wholesale prices by twenty percent. Now,
what I particularly like there is the idea of a
separate market for firming power. So what you're talking about

(23:58):
there is, at the moment, all the gen Taylor's they
own their own, their own generation, right, So they've got
their gas, and they've got their hydro, and they've got
their little windmills and they've got the little solar panels
and whatever. Huntley the coal, but it's never enough, Like
we are constantly running it right down to the wire,
aren't we. And I don't know if you realize this,
but what happens to cost your bugger rule to make

(24:20):
electricity for solar panel? Absolutely nothing but the minute. But
it's very expensive to burn coal. But what happens is
the minute that you start firing up Huntly. Everybody charges
the same price as Huntly. So if they're running a
little wind turbine, same price as Huntly massive, making a
huge profit off that massive margin off that got a
little solar panel costing the next to nothing to run.
Now they're charging the same prices Huntly. There's our problem.

(24:42):
That is why our electricity is so expensive. So if
the government had a whole bunch of generation that it
owned and could just release to flood the market to
stop Huntley being fired up, we would keep our wholesale
rates down. I reckon that may be the solution. Reckon,
that may be a good idea. Anyway, there are some
other stuff and there. Cambaggery is going to be with us,
like superannuation and stuff. Cam Baggray's with us after five.
We'll have a chat to him about it.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
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Speaker 2 (25:08):
Christ Bishop, the Infrastructure Minister is going to be with
us after five point thirty on the review he's just
ordered today on the CRL following the former boss speaking
up about the cost. It's thirteen away from five and
Barrysoe for senior political correspondence with us. Hello, Barry, good afternoon.

Speaker 14 (25:21):
Hither.

Speaker 7 (25:21):
I'll tell you what though, if there was ever a
case for the broadcasting standards authorities to be white. Is
the case at the taj Mahal.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Do you agree? Oh?

Speaker 7 (25:33):
I listened to it earlier, and I've listened to the
actual piece of it, and I think, if, really, if
that's what they've got to worry about. I find it
interesting that John Gillespie was one that upheld it, and
he used to work at TB and Z.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
I don't probably work there.

Speaker 9 (25:47):
No, probably work there when Paul Henry went.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
No Barry with no disrespect to John gillis because he's
genuinely a nice man man. He's a nice man. He
embodies the culture of TV and Z, which is to
constantly be absolutely scared of your own shadow. But I mean,
if you're going to be so thin skinned that you're
going to find that offensive, get off the BSA because
everything's going.

Speaker 7 (26:07):
To totally in the taj Mahals wonder all place. I
went there once and had Helen Clark posing on the
love seat once occupied by Lady Die.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Did you also get the screamers?

Speaker 9 (26:19):
I couldn't find a torlet myself.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Well, yeses, So now what's this what's going on with
the conservation.

Speaker 7 (26:25):
Well, Tama Portucker they announced it make great fan faar
about it this afternoon. They say it's the biggest conservation
legislation in almost forty years, so that's how old the
last Conservation Act is. So they're upgrading it. And the
point that Portucker made was that tourism on conservation land

(26:48):
generates about five point three billion dollars a year, and
of course with that it supports jobs across the community
and businesses and regional economies. So it's time that this
Act was updated. The faster and easier way to get
concessions by removing unnecessary rules that you have to undertake

(27:15):
to get any permission to do anything on the conservation
of state. So they'll cut the red tape and speed
up the decision making.

Speaker 9 (27:22):
They'll be clearer and more.

Speaker 7 (27:24):
Consistent processes for applying the treaty obligations. The bill also,
well I'm not sure they haven't spelt it out in
the release that I got.

Speaker 9 (27:37):
Well, that's true.

Speaker 7 (27:38):
Yeah, And the bill also enables international visitor access chargers
at a small number of highly visited sites. Now, well,
you'll know hither when you go overseas, you're obviously always
coughing up to get into certain parks and what have you.

Speaker 9 (27:55):
So it's about time that we did.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
That since has just just come out of been released
under a marg others.

Speaker 9 (28:00):
Afternoon. Yeah, I just wonder if.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Hey, keV, do you think we should get Tama Portaco
on and we'll have a chat about that, right, I
think we might need to talk to Tama. We'll have
a courtal in the air. Oh good, Yeah, Okay. What's
going on in this English Language Bill?

Speaker 7 (28:13):
Well, you know, I thought i'd have a look at
it today and just where it is at.

Speaker 9 (28:17):
How many official languages do you think we've got in
New Zealand?

Speaker 3 (28:20):
Two?

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah, sign language and three or Maori?

Speaker 9 (28:24):
Absolutely?

Speaker 7 (28:24):
Well, see if somebody asked me that question, I'd say three.
I'd say the English Language will be one of them.

Speaker 9 (28:30):
But it's not.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
So.

Speaker 7 (28:32):
Winston brought the bill in and it'll be reported back
on September the third.

Speaker 9 (28:39):
But I just thought i'd go.

Speaker 7 (28:40):
Back and have a look at this bill and what
its introduction to Parliament was like during a fiery debate
in Parliament in February that was at.

Speaker 9 (28:48):
Its first reading. Winston Peters who made the case for
the bill.

Speaker 7 (28:52):
It was part of their twenty twenty three coalition negotiations
with a National party, and.

Speaker 9 (28:58):
I think it should be in a fish language.

Speaker 7 (29:00):
Anyway, I had to have a listen to Instant Pedis
again introducing the bill and thought you'd.

Speaker 9 (29:06):
Enjoy it too.

Speaker 16 (29:07):
The purpose of an introductory speeches that some ignoramisis like
you might learn why the bill is being bought the
first time.

Speaker 17 (29:12):
Just to his plain language English, thank you, the bill
provides clarity.

Speaker 16 (29:17):
Well, I know that some people have limitations when it
comes to our language, but I'm not one of them.
We have alarming examples of our essential health services and
hospitals and online first responders on their vehicles and communications
not being able to get the basis because they don't
know where they're going. See, that's a laughing matter of
the I just heard this so called lawyer from the
place church thinking it's funny.

Speaker 9 (29:39):
You think it's hilarious.

Speaker 16 (29:40):
Let me tell you I was a far more successful lawyer.

Speaker 9 (29:43):
Than you, sunshine. So that was the level of the debate.

Speaker 7 (29:48):
But look, we're going to see it as an official
language clearly pretty soon. I think before the election we
will probably see that that the points that he made
that were made during the debate I went back to
it was that, look, there is confusion when Maldi has
only used for certain reference points in New Zealand and

(30:10):
yet they're listed in the country under English and so
there is confusion in that way.

Speaker 9 (30:16):
And I think it's about time that.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Ry last night you were too grumpy to tell me.
But you've got some good news about your book today
and I still don't know what it is. Did you
get it?

Speaker 7 (30:25):
Well, it was the Nielsen best Seller survey and might
have only been on because basically it's sold out now,
but it was only on for four days and it's
the top best seller in the country across all titles.
So it's not just politics and stuff.

Speaker 9 (30:42):
But it's great.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
We have some dumb people who want to teasing. I'm
only teasing. Well done you. That's really excellent, very proud
of yourself, very so per senior political correspondence, even away from.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Five here yourself think it's the Mike hosting breakfast.

Speaker 18 (30:55):
Would you rather lose the election having done what you
perceived to be the right thing as opposed to do
what say Elbanez is doing, which is just right checks left,
right and center and get people on there.

Speaker 6 (31:05):
Well, I'm writing the sequel to the Labor government.

Speaker 19 (31:07):
I don't have the flexibility to go spray the cash
around anymore. You know, when you triple the debt and
you write out a ten billion dollar interested bill only
on all of that, that is a huge amount of
investment in the country they get to have. So we
have to be financially responsible. We're actually getting credit for that.
You people internationally think we're doing over that won I
get it, I get it, But actually I have to
be a good steward of the finances, and I think
we are trying to find the right balance through that.

Speaker 20 (31:29):
Back tomorrow at six am the mic Asking Breakfast with
Mayley's Real Estate News.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Talk z B.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, keV and I have had a chat in the
news break and we think that we should probably get
TAMA on after six o'clock because what I'm interested in is,
I don't know if you know this, but the Treaty settlements,
the stuff that goes on with the ewe's read the
Treaty Settlements, is actually causing all kinds of trouble up
and down this country. Like if you think about shadow
tong it at all, right, that's that's that's an EWE

(31:57):
problem right there. There's I mean, all the earthquaky stuff,
the ear we only want people in there for five
to ten years. Who's going to spend all that money
if you're just going to get five to ten years.
There's been all lake y ketamawana, that walk. That's an
Earwe problem. That's the ere We just causing all kinds
of trouble. It's just up and down the country. So
how you reinterpret the treaty settlements and make them actually

(32:18):
work better for everybody else is kind of a key
sticking point here. Anyway, if it comes on with us
or keep you post it, I'll let you know if
he's with us after six o'clock. Apparently people are having
some difficulty with their cvs, right because it's beforehand, before
the advent of AI. You could kind of write your CV,
and you know what a good CV look like to
a human. But AI is different and it's interpreting cvs differently,

(32:40):
and so you have to try to kind of tricky
AI and people don't know how. So they're employing CV
writing companies and it is just huge business for these
guys at the moment. I have a chat to them
in about twenty minutes time on that. Heather, rather ironic
about your statement about the government generating power because prior
to Roger Douglas all power was generated by the government,
and I might add it was cheap. Well that is

(33:01):
up for discussion again, isn't it. We'll talk to Cam
Baggery about that shortly. But Steve Lancaster, the new boss
of NZR straight after the News.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
The only drive show you can try to ask the questions,
get the answers, find and give the analysis. Here the
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Speaker 2 (33:39):
Good afternoon. NZR has finally chosen its CEO and it
is Steve Lancaster, who's been the interim boss for six
months already. His appointment was confirmed at the annual meeting today,
so let's talk to him. Hi Steve, Hi, congratulations on
the job. How long have you known.

Speaker 20 (33:55):
Since yesterday? So it's all happened very quickly once once
the board offered me the role with the AG and
today they were keen to announce it. And to be honest,
I didn't have to think about it very long.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
No, I bet this must feel like the longest ninety
day trial ever.

Speaker 20 (34:11):
Yeah, well, I guess I didn't treat it as a trial.
I approached it as an interim role, but it was
very intent on just turning up every week and doing
the best job I could. And I guess the board
have decided that they're happy with the job I'm doing.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
So here I am now. I mean, you've got a
big task ahead of you, right, because yet again reported
a loss. How are you going to do that? How
are you going to stop ins it out losing money
every year?

Speaker 20 (34:34):
Well, we've got to put our results into context, and
I won't bore you with the mechanics of that loss
versus a small operating profit. But we look at the
business over a multi year cycle rather than year on year,
and so we know that we have troughs and peaks
over the cycle, and so we are very focused on
getting the business sustainable over the cycle, as opposed to

(34:57):
in any given year when we do have such dramatic
troughs peaks.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah, I mean, are you are you aiming for a
net profit?

Speaker 21 (35:04):
Well?

Speaker 6 (35:05):
Look, that would be nice, wouldn't it.

Speaker 20 (35:07):
And we certainly well, we achieved as I say, a
small operating profit last year, but in some years, like
if you look at next year as a World Cup year,
we always lose money in a World Cup year because
we have less home fractures, we have more costs. So,
as I say, every year is different.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
No, I mean because the argument that you guys are
making is that you're not. Actually this is the net
loss is not as bad as it looks because a
lot of it is cash investment, which you know is
going to help you out in years to come. But
you can't keep going like this because you will burn
through all of the money that you've got. So at
some point you have to stop this, don't you.

Speaker 20 (35:40):
Well, that would be true if the revenue doesn't show up, right,
And so really what we're investing in is long term
revenue growth and value creation.

Speaker 6 (35:47):
And so you're right.

Speaker 20 (35:48):
Over the last four years we've invested a significant amount
of money in establishing the foundations for long term value
generation and so what we now need to see is
that start turning into returns.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Steve, given how successful the super Round was, do you
think it's a wise idea to pull it and replace
it with an ANZAC test.

Speaker 20 (36:09):
Well, we wouldn't necessarily do that. We'd certainly agree that
the super Round was a huge success and we would
love to see that hosted in New Zealand again next year.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Okay, so what you do both of them at the
same time, but both on ANZAC weekend.

Speaker 20 (36:20):
Well, there are a couple of things in that, right, So
we haven't made any decisions about an ANZAC test. But
there's also no law that says that the super Round
needs to be played on ANZAC weekend.

Speaker 12 (36:29):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Okay, but you are doing an ANZAC test, don't you.

Speaker 20 (36:33):
No, that's certainly underactive consideration and we're not denying that.
Rugby Australia have for some time wanted us to agree
to that, and we are amenable to the idea, but
there's quite a bit to work through before we were
in a position to agree to or announce that.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Okay, now, now, a really good money spinner for you
guys in the last financial year was the All Blacks
match in Chicago. So should we expect to see more
of the stuff being done offshore?

Speaker 20 (36:56):
Yeah, I think so, But we're really mindful of balancing
our mystic footprint and our responsibility to New Zealander is right,
So you're not going to see wholesale movement of major tests. Generally,
what we look to do is create additional test match
content or opportunities and take those offshore because with bigger
markets and bigger venues, we can generate significantly more return

(37:18):
which we're then able to invest into the game in
New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Now we have discussed on the show quite a lot,
and we did it yesterday as well because Patrick mckendry's
written a piece about why the Warriors in Rugby League
is kicking the bart of Super Rugby at the moment.
Are you worried about that?

Speaker 21 (37:33):
Oh?

Speaker 20 (37:34):
Well, I haven't seen Patrick's article, so I can't say
whether I'm worried about what he's written. But we are
very focused on what we're doing right. We know we've
got a great product with Super Rugbium, as you just said,
the Super Round was a huge success. Crusaders have sold
out again this Friday night to play the Blues, so
we really believe we've got a great product. But we
acknowledge that we've got a little bit more work to
do on getting the marketing mixed right, the venue mix

(37:57):
and so that people are turning up in big numbers.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Yeah, Steve, listen, thank you very much. Congratulations against Steve
Lancaster and New Zealand Rugby Chief Executive Executive If you
want to read the Patrick McKendry piece, it is on
Dylan Cleaver's blog The Bounce, and it's very good.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Five twelve Heather Dup c Ellen.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
The OECD has just released its two yearly report card
on our economy and it is calling for some very
big changes to the electricity market. Economist Cameron Baggery is
with us on this.

Speaker 22 (38:23):
I can.

Speaker 19 (38:25):
Now.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
One of the recommendations is that the government reduces the
dividends that the gent tailors pay out. Do you see
that happening.

Speaker 21 (38:32):
I guess the government's in a bit of a catch
twenty two at the moment because they like the cash
that comes out of those dividends. But some pretty portant
part of cash flows. But if you look at the
long term situation here in New Zealand is pretty simple.
And when I go to the electricity demands exceeding supply.
Demand exceed supply of prises go up. So you need
to restore a little bit of balance in the equation
that comes from restoring supply. One of the mechanisms you

(38:55):
used to restore supply is you allow those soees to
keep your little bit more money on their balance sheet
so that they can invest in infrastructure.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Right, except that hasn't worked right. There is not an
investment that's working. So the other suggestion from the OECD
is a separate market, presumably government controlled, where they release
firming power and flood the market and try to keep
the prices down.

Speaker 21 (39:15):
Would that work so potentially, But once again, the devil's
in the detail. In regard to these sort of things.
It's fine and dandy to throw a whole lot of
big picture ideas around, which we sort of see from
from year to year. Old of me, you need to
go to the find me time whether we can assist
whether the stuff is actually going to work.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
What do you think about the idea of means testing
super I'd imagine you're a fan.

Speaker 21 (39:36):
No I am a fan. I lock it someone like myself,
and the idea that I'm going to be entitled in
zeonce superannuation just seems absolutely nuts. Like you look at
the maths, pretty simple mass sixteen percent of the population
at the moment's currently aged sixty five plus and about
twenty thirty years that repose is going to move up
to twenty five percent. That means more costs in regard

(39:58):
to health. In regard to yu zeonce for anuation and
are reletively smaller workforce which fall to the tax base.
So we're on an unsustainable fiscal path. The government needs
to buy the bullet and regard to making some pretty big, hard,
bold decisions. We've been talking about this sort of stuff
thirty years but I can remember modeling this sort of
stuff in the nineteen nineties when I was at New
Zealand Treasury thirty years ago. And all that's happened is

(40:21):
that we've kicked a can down the road. A little
bit of stuff has been brought in the Zeeland super Fund.
Your key, we say, with contributions. But when Puss comes
to share to sharp here that we need to address
the entitlement side of the Zealand superannuation and that comes
through you potentially lifting the age or means testing has
to come into the equation.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Kem, thank you very much, really appreciate your time, cam Bagri.
Independent economists. Other things they recommend is lifting the age
of superby linking it with age expectation, like a life
expectancy with a cap of sixty nine, so not going
any higher than sixty nine. And that's where that you
have to have the super by sixty nine, a windfall
tax of fifty percent on capital games from land rezoning

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Speaker 3 (42:06):
NZ Heather du for c Allen Heather.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
When a contractor quotes three point five billion dollars and
then it blows out to five point five billion dollars,
US smaller contractors call it suck it up but a cup.
But who's paying for the stuff up? Well, you know
the answer. We are. This is Apropos, the former boss
of the Auckland CRL, saying it should have been done
for way cheaper than what it was. Because now he
feels free to talk about it. Chris Bishop's not happy.

(42:29):
He's just called a review on that. He's going to
be with us after half past right now it's nineteen past. Now.
Business is apparently booming for people who write cvs for
job se because it basically comes down to AIAI is
mucking with us, it's confusing us. Sarah writes and is
the director of CV writing company CVS by Sarah, and
is with us. Hi Sarah Hi, So am I basically

(42:50):
right in thinking that what's happened is Previously we were
writing cvs for humans, we kind of knew what they wanted,
so we'd have a reasonable success rate. But now we're
writing cvs that AI going to screen, and we have
no bloody idea what they want, so we need you.

Speaker 16 (43:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (43:04):
Yeah, Well, look what I'm seeing now is people can
get ruled out before human even reads their CB now,
so a lot of companies are using screening software that
scans for keywords, job titles, formatting. But the frustrating part
is that genuinely capable people can get filtered out for
technical reasons, not because they can't do the job. I've
had clients come to me saying that they've applied for

(43:26):
eighty jobs and heard nothing back, and often they've actually
got really solid experience. So the software is looking for
alignment and clarity. Humans read context. Software doesn't. And at
the same time, employers are also overwhelmed too because they
are getting flooded with AI generated applications. So I've ended
up in this really weird situation where you know, job

(43:48):
seekers feel invisible and employers feel buried. That's probably the
biggest ship that I've seen with AI software and applications.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
So you've obviously cracked the code. So are we going
to get if we if we come to you and
you write our CVS, were you going to have more success?
And if we diy it.

Speaker 23 (44:07):
I think a lot of people come to me because
they are overwhelmed by the process and it's very hard
out there. At the moment, I'm telling candidates that you know,
it's very competitive and you really have to align your
CV and your cover letter with the job ad so
using all those keywords and naturally highlighting your skills and experience.

(44:30):
I think the biggest problem with kew is is they
don't know how to sell themselves and you know, we
really do want to get those interviews. So and I
also think confidence gets knocked after so many applications and
you're getting ghosted or not getting the results that you're wanting.
It can be really damaging to your confidence.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah, it is a tough old thing trying to look
for a job. Hey, thank you very much, Sarah. Look
after yourself Sarah writes and director of CVS by Sarah Listen.
I want to come back and talk about this business
with the citizenship test, and we'll talk about it next
five twenty one.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Here what matters the facts over the noise. It's Heather
dupless Ellen Drive with One New Zealand the coverage like
no one else news talks.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
That'd be Yeah. The why do people always say the
number of people over sixty five is growing but not
acknowledge that more and more of them are still working
and paying tax. Yeah it's fair, but you're still going
to work anyway, even if we take your pension off you.
More likely to work if we take your pension off you.
So that's why five twenty four now, I've been listening
to a lot of commentary about Brook van Velden's citizenship test,

(45:30):
and I think people moaning about this are actually missing
the point that test is not there for the new citizens.
It's not there really to test them and see whether
they're allowed to become kiwis. It's there for us because
of course, asking a new citizen if they agree that
women have the same rights as men doesn't actually screen
them for what they really think. They'll just say yes
if they want citizenship, regardless of the fact that they
might treat their wife terribly. And of course the test

(45:51):
questions are going to be leaked into the Internet in
about five minutes. The point of this test is to
make you and I more accepting of new migrants, because,
whether or not it's fair, there is a simmering resentment
in some parts of this country about the number of
migrants coming in and the cultural differences and the impact
on infrastructure and the taking of jobs. And I think
it's probably going to go some way to making existing

(46:13):
Kiwis feel a little bit better if we understand that
those new citizens are not just getting a sweet ride
when they get the black passport and the guaranteed benefits
of being a Kiwi, but that they are, whether explicitly
or tacitly, agreeing to our way of life. They're accepting it.
They're agreeing to the rules that govern this place, agreeing
to the core principles of New Zealand, things like equality
before the law, free elections, freedom of religion, freedom of expression,

(46:37):
rejection of political violence. The list can go to things
that the things that we hold dear we don't even
realize we do, but these are the things that are important.
Now I think this might actually work. I mean, you
can't be sure we've we've got a way to find out.
But in the meantime, there is nothing wrong with a
test like this. There is nothing wrong with the community
of people us requesting that people who join us first

(47:01):
affirmed to our principles. Ever do for the Ellens, we
most feel sorry for TV and Z. So I feel
like they can't crop a break at the moment because
there is another thing. There's another thing that's happened to them,
because the BSA has released a whole bunch of decisions
today and they've just been busted by the BSA for
misrepresenting something that Trump said. So this is what they

(47:23):
had pretended at TV and Z on one News. This
is what they pretended that Donald Trump had said.

Speaker 15 (47:28):
How do we fix this country? How do we come
back together?

Speaker 13 (47:32):
They couldn't care less.

Speaker 15 (47:34):
This is what he actually said, how do we fix
this country? How do we come back together?

Speaker 13 (47:39):
I'll tell you something that's going to get me in trouble,
but I couldn't care less.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
So just if you didn't catch the difference there, the
way that they they pretended, it's how they'd done it.
It sounded like he was being asked, how do you
bring the country together? And he said, I couldn't care less.

Speaker 15 (47:53):
back together?

Speaker 13 (47:56):
They couldn't care less.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
But actually what he'd said was that he was going
to get in trouble for what he was about to say.
But he couldn't care less about that. He couldn't care
less about getting in trouble.

Speaker 15 (48:06):
back together?

Speaker 13 (48:09):
I'll tell you something that's going to get me in trouble,
but I couldn't care less.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
I mean, that's the same thing as the BBC, isn't it.
That's not a good look to be fair if I
was going to be fair to TV and Z other
news organizations. Karta did a similar thing, So they may
just have copied and paste what they saw other people doing.
But anyway, there have been busted, how ironic busted by
the BSA. But also maybe TV's is now with me
and going happy days. They're going to be gone. Chris

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Bishop was thus next on this review into the costs
of the CRL.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
The day's newspakers talked to Heather first, Heather Do for
the Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the power
of satellite mobile news talk.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
Sa'd be.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Again right Coma. Paul Tucker is confirmed he's going to
be with us after six o'clock. Stand by for that.
We're going to talk about these changes to conservation and
the Huddle is standing by as well. Thomas Scrimger, Mark
Sainsbury with us shortly right now. It's twenty four away
from six into the City Rail Lincoln. Why it's cost
so much? The former CROL boss Sean Sweeney has told

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The Herald it could probably have been done for about
the half the cost that it was done I think
was over five billion dollars was super expensive. As a result,
Infrastructure Minister Chris Bishop has announced a review into the
costs and he's with us.

Speaker 6 (49:33):
High Bish, good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
How could it have been built for half the cost?

Speaker 18 (49:38):
Well as Dr Sweety says, who I've got a lot
of time for Remember he ran the project, but he
ran it to what the Government and the Council agreed
on would be the design scope at the time. People
will see when CRL opens in the second half of
the year. It's an amazing piece of infrastructure, but I
think people will also be somewhat surprised by how shall

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we say, the grandeur of the stations. They are some
would say that they are like palaces. They're amazing, they're
going to be they're going to be incredible. But they
come at a price, right, they come at a cost,
and you just got a weigh up whether or not
it's worth the price. And you know, five and a
half billion bucks is a lot of money. So I think,

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like every other project, we should do a review once
it's open.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Fair point. But we are building for the future. So
in a hundred years will our descendants be standing in
those those stations and going jees they overspect this, or
will they be saying, look at how well they built
something that we now actually can still use.

Speaker 18 (50:38):
Yeah, and that's a reasonable point too, And that's precisely
why we're going to do a review. And I'm also
really interested in having a look at how we got
some of the scope wrong from the start when it
comes to urban development, because CRL is not just a
transport project, right, it's actually an enabler of growth around
the city, for housing, for commercial development, and except we

(50:59):
don't really think about all of.

Speaker 6 (51:01):
Those things right at the start of the project.

Speaker 18 (51:03):
Okay, we just thought about it as a transport project
and said, okay, let's go.

Speaker 6 (51:06):
On and build an underground railroape three and a half
kilometers underground.

Speaker 18 (51:09):
Now that's fine, that's important, but we missed some opportunities
along the way to really take advantage of CRL. I mean,
if you think about it, only now are we doing
the level crossings along the rest of the rail network
in Auckland. And all of the evidence is that to
really take advantage of city rail Links increased passenger service trains,
you need to do the level crossings. But we're only

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getting on with them now, ten years after we started
building CRL, So we've you know, frankly, the country's made
some mistakes along the way, and I want to make
sure we don't repeat those mistakes in the future.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Do you think that when this review is completed, we
will find that we have built things here that we
really honestly don't need, that we will never need, never,
never in the country's future. Do you think so?

Speaker 5 (51:50):
No?

Speaker 6 (51:50):
I think City rail Links is a good project.

Speaker 18 (51:52):
The question is whether or not it could have been
delivered for a more cost effective solution. And by you know,
some of the stuff I've seen as by kilometer, City
rail Link is the most expensive underground.

Speaker 6 (52:04):
Rail link in the world in the world.

Speaker 18 (52:07):
Now, you know, New Zealand is an expensive place to
do construction.

Speaker 6 (52:12):
There's other things going on.

Speaker 18 (52:14):
But you know, honestly, why are we delivering the most
expensive underground rail?

Speaker 2 (52:19):
But when is there? So when is the most the
other most recent one that we're comparing it to, you know,
when was the Because this is brand new, so it's
going to be more expensive, isn't it.

Speaker 18 (52:28):
Yeah, But we've been building it for twelve years and
in the meantime, you know, cities around the world have
delivered underground rail linkages that actually, actually, to be honest,
some of them started after city rail Link started and
they've finished before city railing finished. It's taken quite a
long time to do, right, So these are all the
things we need to look at. Look, I don't want
people to get the wrong impression. It's going to be

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an amazing project. People should use it. I'm really proud
of it. I'm really delighted it's coming to the end.
But like, and this is what we do really badly
in New Zealand. We open something and we go great,
you know, and we walk away. We don't look back
and go, Okay, how do we learn from what's happened?
And do better in the future.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
So I want to do why are we opening it now?
Is it not good to go?

Speaker 18 (53:11):
It's coming to it's coming to the end of its
time for testing, and there's a there's a lot of
testing to be.

Speaker 6 (53:17):
Done, and there's a lot of kind of worrying.

Speaker 18 (53:19):
What we'll testing because you've got passenger rail running at
the same time as freight.

Speaker 6 (53:24):
You don't want trains to collide and they've got well.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
How long does it take to test? How long is
it taking months to test something like that? You can't
test it in a week?

Speaker 18 (53:33):
Well you would, You should be in the meetings. I'men
you sound like me. Yeah, I mean I'm I'm as
frustrated as you. I want to get it done, but
I also want to open a safe and reliable train system.
You're dealing with underground trains, You're dealing with thousands of people.
You've got freight and passenger running on the same network.
You've got to get the timetabling right. The last thing
I want to have happened hither is open it and

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it to be a disaster. And everyone say, why don't
you just take another couple of weeks and get it right?

Speaker 24 (53:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (53:59):
True, and so I'm trying to avoid that fair enough.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Haybush, thank you as always. Good luck with that review.
Chris Bishop, Minister for Infrastructure. Twenty away from six.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Real Team, the
only truly global.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Brand on the huddle with us this evening we have
Mark Sainsbury, broadcaster and Thomas Scrimger of the Maximum Institute.

Speaker 25 (54:16):
Hire you too, gat, Yeah you're here now.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
I'll tell you what I'm worried about here Saints. I
was like, I do think we've got to run the
ruler over these things, and I do think we have
to ask questions. But I worry that every time we
angst about where the things cost too much, it just
makes us not want to pay for the next big project,
and then we don't get the next big project and
it's holding us back.

Speaker 21 (54:34):
What do you think or else?

Speaker 24 (54:35):
The big thing was we waited too long? I mean,
like transmission Gully, how many years did it go before
they find? You know, sometimes you want to go just
do it, just do it. But the lesson from this
seems to be that is that the way it was
set up. I mean, this guys is no idiot I
mean he ran the project. But if he's saying we
could have done it but they were tied up, I

(54:56):
think this has to be Reviewedisco. Yeah, we could have
had another new hospital all yeah, the top of the rail.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Yeah, you don't need to. You don't need to. Would
you like a new hospital? Cathedral ceilings in your stations?
Which one that was for you? Mate? Hello?

Speaker 25 (55:14):
Oh, well a cathedral ceiling would be grand. I think,
you know, a nice fresco get you know, get Michelangelo
on there, and I think we could do something really really,
you know, good for you.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Why not it up?

Speaker 4 (55:26):
Well?

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Do you have concerns about the cost here?

Speaker 25 (55:29):
Well, I just think for this how New Zealanders are, right,
like something nice is happening, we'd better just put it,
put a dampener on it, right, Like we're not to celebrate.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
This is a fair point from you. I suppose maybe
we're maybe we are being too miserable sayings.

Speaker 11 (55:41):
So what do you think?

Speaker 14 (55:43):
Well?

Speaker 24 (55:43):
No, look, it's good. I mean, major projects like this
are important, but you know we can't we can't afford
to do them badly. We know we don't have the
same resources as other countries, and that's sort of the
world's most expensive, most expensive underground rail line mile a mile.
That's that is a bit of a.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
You know, we're all going there though way saying, so
we're all going to be piling into those stations the
minute they open. So that's what we do. If we've
got a tunnel in this country, basically all of Auckland
turns up you and you you're welcome to fly up
from Wellington and join us.

Speaker 6 (56:17):
Now there won't be take the train up heather.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Well as you should be only fitting now, Thomas. This
brings us to the I think quite nicely to what's
been going on with the OECD and the economic report
card that we've got, and the thing that they focused
on this time, which I think is unusual because it
hasn't happened in the past so much, is the focus
on the electricity sector. Do you like what you see
here in terms of the interventions they're calling for.

Speaker 25 (56:40):
Well, I like that they're talking about it. You know,
electricity is just kind of the perpetual problem in New Zealand,
so that's a good thing. I mean, I'm I'm a
nuclear bro. I reckon, you know, whatever else everyone wants
to do, I might put a nuclear reactor in New Zealand.
What do you reckon?

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Yeah, I'm with you on that, but it's not gonna
It's not going to solve our electricity set situation for
twenty twenty seven, is it, Thomas?

Speaker 25 (57:03):
Well, I don't think we can solve our twenty twenty
seven problem. You know, we're not going to build anything
in time, right, you know central years, no fear it is.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
But what if? What if the government forced the gentailers
to cut their their dividends, right, so at least you're
getting some perhaps some pricing relief by twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 25 (57:19):
Well, but the problem is that electricity sector. Isn't that
that you know, we're getting pricing relief. The problem is
they're not investing in capital.

Speaker 6 (57:25):
They should.

Speaker 25 (57:25):
They should cut their dividends. They need to cut their dividends.
They can invest in developing now, right. It's if we
just cut dividence so they can lower prices. We don't
actually solved the underlying issues.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Yeah. Now saying so as as somebody who is you know,
taking the pension from the poor in this country, taking
taking food out of our mouths?

Speaker 24 (57:44):
How do you taking berries?

Speaker 6 (57:45):
One? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Are you he's taking has one toe though, so there's
a problem. How do you how do you feel about
the means testing the lifting of the age of because
this is I mean, it is getting to the crunchy point.
The National Party is going to campaign on it, We're
probably going to have to make a decision about it.

Speaker 24 (57:58):
I tell you what I found most in about this
is that the AACD saying that you know, I mean,
they're going to means testing, but it is the linking
eligibility to life expectancy, because it's I mean, okay, if
you have to look at that, if you're a MARI male,
your life expectancy is seventy three. If you're a European

(58:19):
it's eighty one. So for European you get fifty sixteen
years of the pension right from your expected lifespan. So
should MARII mens start getting it at fifty seven.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Well you would. You wouldn't start with that, but it
would go down that path, wouldn't.

Speaker 24 (58:33):
It, Because there's I mean, the stats is a huge
catchment of people who just will never get the pension
because they die before the age. Once you start getting
into that, are you're going to talk about eligibility and
all that sort of stuff. Then I think you're going
to be looking across the board.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Well, then should we also say people who get ovarian
cancer don't live past the age of forty, so we
should let them retire at thirty five? Well, because if
we start breaking it down by ethnicity, why don't we
break it down by everything?

Speaker 24 (59:02):
Well, because if you go, I mean, when we talk
about people who don't reach the age of six, if
they diet all sorts of about you know, that includes
people from you know, dying as children. But I think
and the other interesting thing in that report was saying
that you know that super is a poverty prevention method
and a huge percentage of people getting the pension that

(59:23):
is it for them, that is what they've got to
live on. So it has some massive we all know,
the numbers don't seem to stack up, you know, the population,
the demographics and everything like that, but for a lot
of a lot of New Zealanders, you know, that is
something absolutely you know, it's not just a nice to have.
They rely on it.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
Yeah. I don't know, Thomas, do you want to get
involved in this?

Speaker 25 (59:44):
I love to get involved.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
In Well hang on, no, don't. Then if you want
to get involved on taking a break, and we're going
to hear it after the break.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
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Speaker 2 (59:58):
Right, you're back with the huddle. Thomas s grimser Mark
Sainsbury gone, then, Thomas, what do you want to say?

Speaker 25 (01:00:02):
Well, I was getting you know, my head up esteem
for a sermon about Superannuation means test today, means tests forever.
It's you know, we've got Chris Bishop to quibble about
two billion dollars the Central Rail Link, twenty five billion
dollars a year every year for Super. If it's a
poverty prevention mechanism, give it to people who are poor.

(01:00:22):
Your rich, you don't need it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Yeah, but I'm going to get my accountant to rearrange
my affairs so I look poor. Well I'm not actually poor,
because you know that's going to happen. Thomas.

Speaker 25 (01:00:32):
Well, yeah, but if we're saying that, you know, people
can commit tax evasion if they get their accountant to
do stuff. But for twenty five billion dollars, we only
have to carve out, you know, for certain numbers of people,
means testing us is definitely doable. We means test welfare,
we can means test Superloper's just another kind of benefit.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Yeah, we're probably on the path to that now, Saints are.
How do you feel, as a Wellington City ratepayer about
the fact that Wellington City staffers have quietly exempted themselves
from a new law?

Speaker 24 (01:01:00):
Oh God, I'm sick of I'm sick of sick of
logging on this thing more. Yeah, look, it was even
though they were entitled to do it. They haven't breaken
any rules. What kind of sort of nuse does anyone
have not to think? Hang on, this is a particularly
tricky and sensitive issue given everything that's gone on. They should,

(01:01:22):
at the very least the CEO should have told them here.
For the counselors to find out literally by excellent over
hearing someone else is just not acceptable.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
It's unreal life and Thomas, especially when you think that
the law that they've exempted themselves from is a law
that makes it easier to fire well paid managers without
having to give them a golden handshake. And they have
too many stuff like they have at least a couple
of hundred too many stuff they need to fire people.
Why would you exempt yourselves and you.

Speaker 25 (01:01:50):
Got to you got to, like, you know, respect the
game though right here, you know, I just quietly slide
the papers across like I'm impressed.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
But I know, but what is the what's the follow up?
Is it hate the play? Don't hate the player, hate
the game?

Speaker 25 (01:02:03):
Well, you know, I think the mayor should be pretty
hacked off, and you know, you know it's going to
make some hay about it and the councilors because obviously
taxpayers are going to be pretty pretty aggrieved, Like Wellington
City councils not thriving and it's performance, shall we say,
put it kindly, you know, So the fact that they
are giving themselves some you know, potentially sweetness in the
contracts is not looking after the interest of taxpayers. So yeah,

(01:02:26):
not a good look really, and it's going to cause
them problems down the road.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
I've got a solution, Saneso. What we need to do
is you and I just quietly, does will quietly decide
to exempt you from your rates. How would you like that?

Speaker 14 (01:02:41):
Don't get me start bloody right.

Speaker 24 (01:02:44):
I've got the leader from the council practically doubling them,
telling them at the same time, we're cutting the value
of your house by twenty five per seed.

Speaker 14 (01:02:50):
That's true much.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
It's because they've got to pay the Golden handshake to
the forty two people.

Speaker 24 (01:02:54):
On t right, So please going to somebody deserving.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Somebody poor. Yeah, absolutely, thank you so much. Guys appreciate it.
Thomas Scrimger, Mark Sainsbrow huddled this evening ate away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
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Speaker 14 (01:03:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
I don't think. I don't think Mark Sainsbury's idea of
us getting the super attached to our life expectancy has
gone down. Well, somebody's text and saying if I knew that,
I'd start smashing twenty siggi's a day so I can
get my pension at thirty two.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
I was wondering yesterday why it was that nobody in
the media was reporting that CEB what's his name, Seeb Woodhouse.
Is that a surname like forgot for having one of
those women moments? You know what that means? You know
what that means? Total blank? Anyway, So c B. Woodhouse
was wondering, why is it what yesterday? Why is nobody

(01:03:48):
reporting that CEB Woodhouse is in trouble because he reposted
an extrac from minecamp for all talking about the fact
that he said something. Why aren't you saying what he said?
So I just said it to you. Well, it turns
out the reason nobody said it was because they didn't know,
because stuff is just just running at at the moment
they go.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Voyager Boss reposted Hitler passage before media awards fall out. Correct. Yes,
which you would have known if you were listening to
newstalk Z'dbie Drive at about five to five yesterday, so
fully twenty four hours and thirty minutes before you posted it. Now,
speaking of stuff adjacent stuff adjacent publication of the post.
Great review in the Post today, by the way, for

(01:04:27):
the Split Ends gig that happened in Wellington yesterday. Chap
who writes for its Scott Weaver reckons Split Ends are
right up there amongst the contenders for the best ever
band from New Zealand. And he's right, he said they
put out a smashing performance. I'm telling you this because
I think there are two gigs left.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
Is there?

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
The Hamilton gig still maybe as well two Auckland gigs
as well. They played all the bangers. Shark Attack. History
never repeats that song actually sucks. It's not a banger.
Nobody takes me seriously, dirty creature, I got you Icy Red.
They had the wacky suits on. Tim was hitting all
the notes, which is actually kind of hard for him
at his age because his voice. When you get older,
your voice gets huskier and deeper, and so he had

(01:05:03):
some high notes as a young man. Just when you thought,
says Scott Weaver, just when you thought that Tim Finn
wasn't going to reach the high notes he always did.
He really looked like he was enjoying the evening leading
call and responses with the crowd, encouraging them to sing
back to him. So Emma, who sits out there and
runs this whole department in the newsroom, she was listening
to to Spliteens this afternoon, having a fantastic time because

(01:05:24):
she's going to go see them on Saturday, and she
has never seen Splitdeens perform before. And I'm going to
go see them with concert Club on Sunday, and I've
never seen Spliteens perform before because of course they broke up,
Like when did they do? Their last concerts was way before?
Are like three or four generations of us, maybe even
twelve generations of us had the chance to see them.

(01:05:45):
I can't, honestly cannot tell you how excited I am
to go and see Split Ends on Sunday. I have
loved these guys since being since I was a teenager,
which obviously was only you know, ten minutes ago, so
not a big deal. It's not that long, really, But
how good this is all we're talking about on Monday.
We're just we're going to have the whole show is
just going to be talking about Tim Fin and how

(01:06:06):
awesome Split Ends were.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
What have you got?

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
It's not a bad choice, John Hayden, It's not a
bad It's a basic choice, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
You could be more.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
I think we'll lend the show with something a bit
more fun than this anyway. Tama Pawtucker on the changes
that are happening to Conservation with us.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Next, we're Business Who meets Insight The Business Hour with
Hander Dupless Allen and Mass Insurance and Investments, Your Futures

(01:06:48):
in Good Hands?

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
Used talks that be.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Even in coming up in the next hour. Sam Dickie's
going to explain what is going wrong with AI Chip supply.
Jamie McKays with us shortly and Indebrad is with us
out of the UK because it's getting even worse for
kirstarmer Firth. That's even possible. Seven pass six. Now the
government is forging ahead with one of the most significant
reforms of conservation legislation in nearly forty years. The Minister
in charge shars the changes are necessary because it is

(01:07:15):
so out of date and quote Lucy Goosey and Tama
Portach are the ministers with us now, Hi.

Speaker 22 (01:07:19):
Tama cure to hear the how's the city of sales.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
Mate, Lucy Goosey a technical term?

Speaker 10 (01:07:25):
Is it?

Speaker 22 (01:07:26):
Yes, it's something that comes out of Hamilton.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
I thing all right? Listen, Is this going to make
it easier for you to get rid of land you
don't want or don't think you need.

Speaker 22 (01:07:34):
Yes, there's a lot of land out there that's of
low conservation value, but it's not a wholesale sale of
all swathes of conservation land. Like there's sections in reefed
in between two houses that have no endangered species of them. Actually,
that's the sort of land that conservations should sell at
following the process and use that money to reinvest and
buy diversity and looking after the things.

Speaker 14 (01:07:54):
That are good for us.

Speaker 22 (01:07:55):
How much land is it, Well, we haven't quantified that
what we're doing or between the two our sections just
house sections either how did you get house sections? A
lot of land was pushed into conservation in the nineteen
eighties that had very little to deal with conservation, and
that includes the met service building on Bolton Street and
Wellington outrageous and.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
If you sold it it would have no impact on
conservation whatsoever. But it would line your coffers a little bit,
wouldn't it.

Speaker 22 (01:08:21):
Yes, And we can then reinvest that into looking after
species like caught out and Karkapool and Kiwi and all
those great ones out at Tity Titty Martinie.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Is there though? I mean so fair enough, because these
are examples that everybody would I think look at it
and go you should be able to sell it. But
there will be borderline stuff, won't there berg tracks of
borderline land that you don't think you need that other
people will say you do.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
No.

Speaker 22 (01:08:42):
I think we have to be very careful. It's not
a huge massive sell off of the conservation of state.
That's what some people on the left hand side of
the spectrum might think we're doing but no, we just
want more flexibility for conservation to deal with that, but
more importantly, to modernize four year old legislation. It's nearly
as old as me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Heather, Yeah, how are you going to tidy up what's
going on with EWI because they are so often the
ones putting the handbrake on any kind of development.

Speaker 22 (01:09:06):
Well, first of all, a lot of you we actually
want to undertake the development and are involved in development,
whether or it's tourism or mining or running boats out
on the Hodaki golf so ere. We are both applicants
and sometimes they also have a part to play in
the process. So first of all, uphold the tree settlements.
That's what we need to do. The second thing is
being more clear and consistent about what the treaty principal's

(01:09:29):
reference actually means. So we're going to give time frames
around engagement with concession, decision making and other things, and
we just need to be more clear, more consistent and
describe what that means. Okay, So it's a challenge we've
had as we haven't had that in the past, and
I'm going to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
So you're going to say when we go to an
EWE and we start talking about the concessions. We have
to wrap this up with an X amount of time.

Speaker 22 (01:09:50):
Yes, that's the general intent. Now some ere we have
arrangements in the settlements. Okay, we'll uphold those, but we're
going to give time frames around that engagement Heather, and
that gives people more certainty and gets rid of red
tape and green tape.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Yeah, that's cool. But what happens at the end of it?
So let's say you go to an EWE and you're
having a debate about the concession. I don't know EWE
around to it. It'll shadow and you can't reach it.
You reach the end of your deadline and you can't
reach any agreement with the EE.

Speaker 22 (01:10:16):
What happens, Well, first of all, there's area planning that
takes place here. Then right now, there's about eight one
hundred plans, eighty of which are massively out of date.
Make sure you involve arewe upfront in the planning? The
second thing, on an individual concession, there will be time
frames and ew we don't have a veto in concession decision.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Making currently, just funtion gives them a veto.

Speaker 22 (01:10:38):
That No, that's what the Supreme Court said, and the
famous night Tide decision and around bang tilt to them.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
But they have the dominant, don't they have the dominance? Say,
and the and documents the subservient position.

Speaker 22 (01:10:51):
Well, that may be how some people interpret it down
at Forest and Bird, but it's not how the Supreme
Court has described it here. Neither is it how Parliament
is DisCrit legislation. There is definitely a part to play
for EWE across the conservation of State, and sometimes they
are applicants and want to do great things, just like
down at Milford Sound Terminal where e we have partnered

(01:11:11):
up with Southern Discoveries and Real and z ED to
run that terminal.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
Right, what are you going to do with charges? Is
this going to give you permission to really lift the
charges on what the foreigners pay when they use a
dock hut on the Milford Walk.

Speaker 22 (01:11:23):
Well, fast back, Heather. We have thirty percent of New
Zealand's land is in the conservation of state and make
sixty million dollars. Now that's not good enough, and we
think we should enable access charging for international visitors. Just
like when we go to Hawaii, we pay to go
and see kellawaya when we go to the United States,
we pay to go into national parks and in some

(01:11:43):
of the iconic locations, places like Milford or Cathedral Cove.
We believe foreigners should pay to access those places that
will generate money we can use then to look after
birds and other species.

Speaker 11 (01:11:54):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
Don't hate it at all, Talma, thank you very much.
Enjoy the rest of your day. That's summer portuck of
the conservation minus. So let me give you the numbers
by the way. You can hit me with it on
what you think on that nineteen nine two here the
numbers ends at X fifty is up zero point ninety
five percent. Today the AX fifty is up zero pins
sixty nine percent. So far today, our barrel of Brent
crude is now costing one hundred and one dollars US.

(01:12:15):
That is down a little bit. It's a bit flat
on the day, but it's down significantly from yesterday. One
New Zealand dollar is worth sixty US cents, eighty two
ozie sends fifty one euro sins, forty four UK pens
and ninety three yen. Thirteen past six It's the.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast on My
Heart Radio powered by newstalg.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Zeppi, Heather, I absolutely loved the Tama Pawtucket interviews. Such
a great idea to charge visitors entering our places of significance.
We should have been doing this years ago. Mount Cook, Abel, Tasman, Fiordland,
West Coast Cathedral, Cove, Tonga Road. To name of Tonga Road?
What's Tonga Road? Oh, Tongerero, you spelled it wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
I was like, what have I missed? Is this?

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
Is this a great walk I need to do? I'm
taking the weekend off. I'm doing Tonga Road immediately, Tongerero
to name a few well done air of course they
should pay. Sixteen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
The Rule Report with Farmland's don't let unsafe gears slow
you down.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
Jamie McKay hosts The Countries of Us.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
Hello Jamie, Hello, Heather.

Speaker 17 (01:13:12):
I heard you talking about going to see Split Ends.
You'll love him and I think Tim Finn's in his
early seventies. But how about Mick Jagger. We were talking
about him on our show today at eighty two are
releasing not only a new single, but a new Album's
Life and the Old Guy.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Yet Yeah he's looking good as well. Ah, Like I
saw the three of them. The three remaining members of
three am I imagining that one of them is missing?
One of them is missing?

Speaker 17 (01:13:35):
Oh, Jamie, Charlie Charlie Watt, the drama unfortunately passed away.
And Keith Richards, as I said today, he hasn't aged
in the last thirty years because he looked eighty when
he was fifth light.

Speaker 5 (01:13:46):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Yeah, they're looking great in their little life. He has two. Now,
why are you excited about this worldwide protein boom?

Speaker 17 (01:13:54):
Well, I'm very excited about it, and I was just
talking to a guy who's just back from the States,
a guy I used for a lot of my dairy commentary,
Mike McIntyre from Jarden. So I'm sort of paraphrasing what
he said. But look, it's great that this protein boom
for Kiwi farmers, especially dairy farmers, our biggest sector. And
the irony here is, believe it or not, Heather, we've

(01:14:15):
got overweight Americans to think courtesy of probably eating too
many hamburgers with our an inverted commas lean grinding beef
in them. A boom has developed around supplying high protein
calories for those who are losing muscle mass from taking
these weight weight loss drugs such as ozepic, and Mike

(01:14:36):
told me that up to I think it was like
nineteen percent of US adults had already tried or existing
customers of these weight loss drugs. So we've got this
whole new business in supplying high quality protein for these
people so they don't lose muscle mass when they're losing weight.
Some of his other observations, Heather, if you don't mind

(01:14:58):
me just going on. Recently the focus was on snacking.
This year's theme in the States is very much about
calories delivered from protein. Several of these weight loss products
are coming off patent. There's up to fourteen companies currently
developing generics. They're going to get a whole lot cheaper,
and the delivery methods are going to be a lot

(01:15:18):
more efficient and a lot more user friendly. I pills
rather than injections. Way, which is the liquid buy product
of cheese or caseine. Production has doubled in priced from
eight thousand to seventeen thousand US dollars per metric. Tone
and Mike said he was talking to a couple of
cheese companies in the US who said, somewhat perhaps tongue

(01:15:40):
in cheek, they are now protein plays with the cheese byproducts.
So the way that they get when they're making the
cheese to put into these protein bars and all that
sort of stuff for muscle building powders, that is where
the money is. And look, honestly, this is just great
news for the New zealandery industry.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
Yeah, how cool is that? Hey, thank you, Jamie appreciated,
look after yourself. Jomie McKay, hosts of the Country Here
the Split Ends is our best band ever. Saw their
first gig at His Majesty's for one dollar with Hardak's
Buckerhead concerts. That's from them, So they're the best band ever.
They probably are if you think about it, you know,
like yeah, yeah, keV keV, who's ancient, needs several generations

(01:16:22):
above me. He's nodding along because if you think about
just like actual musical ability. They write a banger of
a tune like those are good chune, those those are
actually technically well written pieces of music until Neil Finn
joins where I'm not being horrible about Niel Fin, but
but he does write a pop song, nasty little pop song,
and when he started taking over it, Yeah, like history

(01:16:45):
never repeats as a shite song. But when they like
the other stuff like dirty little creek stuff like that,
do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:16:52):
That is?

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
Those are very well written songs, So you got that
that counts in their favor. They were prolific. They had
a really long history, like a good bunch of albums
that they put out, and they've lasted the teeste of time.
They are still souper and popularity as well. You know
a lot of.

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
Music.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
It was my words, use your words, Heather. A lot
of foreign musicians of that time really loved Split Ends
like they had an international reach that I don't think
we always appreciate here. I think if you kind of
look across the range of measures, they may well have
been the best band ever to come out of the country.
How lucky are we? How lucky are we to be
able to see them reunited while they've still got you know,

(01:17:32):
a bit of pep and stuff, and we're still interested.
I can't wait Sunday night here. The Spliteans broke up
in nineteen eighty six. EGO, thank you, Johnny. I was
two years old, which is why I never got to
see them. But now I'm gonna get my shot. Jeez,
they better last till Sunday. Something happens between now and Sunday.
I'm gonna cry.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
Six twenty one, everything from SMEs to the big corporates,
the Business Hour with had the Duper clan and mass
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that'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
I can't believe you just said that about Neil Finn.
I'll tell you what, Neil Finn remember this. So Neil
was sorry that I'm really laboring the subject. But I
love it, Nilp. I love it, so you have to
endure it. Nil Fan was a baby when he was
in Split Ends. It wasn't really until Crowded House that
his music his and and sort of latterly in Crowded
House that he really had his songwriting develop into something

(01:18:21):
that we would recognize as kind of the Nilpin that
we know. Yeah, what was the other one?

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
I got you?

Speaker 6 (01:18:28):
Het he is?

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
It's a bummer. It's this, It's that penultimate song when
they perform. I think as well, So I'm just gonna
have to suck it up and I'm just going to
sing along and pretend I love it. Here the good
news from the OEO today They approved the sales of
land on Bendigo and Ardgus stations to Santana minerals. Just
waiting now for the fast Track panel to approve the goldmine.
Great show. Yay, I love that, Thank you Mark. Now
I am pleased to see that the politicians are not

(01:18:53):
at all happy about what I told you with the
police and the free speech yesterday. That this is the
stuff about the police calling and the woman for a
chat about her Facebook post on yesterday online. If you
didn't catch this when I was telling you about it yesterday.
What happened is the woman put up a picture. We
now know what the picture was. It was a selfie
of herself, obviously that clues in the fact it's called

(01:19:15):
a selfie. But behind her were a couple of Indian
blokes who didn't realize it would seem that they were
having their photographs taken. And then she captioned it with
welcome to New India thanks to Lu Singh, which is
lame and rude but not a crime. But the cops
called her into the station and told her off for
being unkind, which is a not a good use of
police resources. And be not okay because it's not a crime.

(01:19:36):
So what you're trying to do is intimidate her and
that's not cool anyway. The Police Minister Mark Mitchell says
he wants to understand why police did this, so he's
asked them for a please explain. Whenston Peter says, if
this is true, this is nineteen eighty fourth thought police
level overreach. It would seriously frighten every New Zealander who
believes in freedom of speech and acts. Just as spokesman

(01:19:56):
Todd Stevenson said that being offensive is not a crime
and it's could not be a police matter, and I
couldn't agree more. And actually, by the way, I had
a text earlier which is kind of related to this,
and the text said, with the BSA gone, Heather, does
that mean the likes of TV and Z will be
free to misrepresent anything they choose? No can, because all
of the legacy media and the media who care about,

(01:20:18):
you know, reputation, are simply going to go away from
the BSA and into the Media Council. It's voluntary, but
I can guarantee you we're all going to do it,
right z B is going to do it because our
mates over at the Herald are doing it already. They're there,
so we'll just join them. TV and Z will join them.
Everybody will just get in with the Media Council. The
difference between the Media Council and the BSA is really
important though, because the Media Council rules on statements of accuracy,

(01:20:41):
which I think we all agree is important. The BSA, though,
rule on taste and decency. That basically the guys in
the corner of the room going uncle Trevy, you can't
make that joke. That joke is not you can't say
that about disabled people anymore. That's not funny. They're those people, right,
So taste and decency and you know what I mean.
And I think we can adjudicate for ourselves good taste

(01:21:02):
and decency.

Speaker 17 (01:21:03):
It.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
I just got really tired of the beat because the
bits what the BSA just did to Paul Henry. They
were like, you can't say that about getting diarrhea at
the taj Mahala's not okay. That's what they try to do,
two of them. So I'm kind of tired of the
head girl approach from the goodie two shoes approach from
thebs I'd much rather have the Media Council, thanks very much.
Six twenty seven.

Speaker 6 (01:21:24):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
Here's your little Piers Bob we are but weird on
the show today. Here's your little Piers Brosen an update
because as we know, right, we knew that he was
down at Solbar having lunch the other day with his family.
It's weird that we talk about that when he's just
trying to have lunch with his son and his wife.
And then Locke, who works on the show, his mum
saw Piers buying a cashmere blanket in a downtown Auckland store.

(01:21:52):
So again, the guy's just trying to keep warm in
his hotel and we're reporting it all to you. But
now we know he's all social up at the Auckland
Art Gallery. He loves, by the way, the fact that
he left school at sixteen to study painting in London
before he went for acting. And how do you think
his parents reacted when he came home. He's sixteen years old, Mum, Dad,
I've quit school to be a painter. How relieved were

(01:22:13):
they when he quit school when he quit painting to
become an actor? Not at all anyway. So he was
at the Auckland Art Gallery, they said, at the Auckland
Ark Gallery. Brosman is genuinely engaged with the visual arts
and a charming gentleman. And then he went to the
Orni Hunger Art Gallery and took a look at Brett
Graham's Doorway to Night exhibition. So that's why he's here.
Isn't Nicol like he's a great actor, and isn't Arthur

(01:22:35):
and he's handsome, Speaking of which, Simon Barnett update shortly,
Sam Dick's next.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
Ever, it's to do with money. It matters to you.
The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and Ma's insurance
and investments. Your futures in good hands used talk zed be.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
But end the Brady is going to be with us
out of the UK in ten minutes time. It's looking
pretty shaky for kir Starman. Of course he's in the
last I want to say, twenty four to forty eight hours,
potentially might be out of the job very shortly. You
can't fault the government for trying at least to see
if anybody wants to come and set up a supermarket here. They, apparently,
according to The Herald, are cast the net pretty wide

(01:23:23):
and targeted twenty one supermarket and e commerce giants around
the world to see if they wanted to come up
and come over here set up a third chain. None
of them did, but they tried. Let me run you
through the list in the UK, Tesco, Sainsbury's in Iceland,
in France, kurraf O'shan in Germany, Oldie and the Swanch
group which owns Legal and Copeland in Spain, Murkadonna Dia

(01:23:43):
and Alcorta ingliss Via its super core supermarkets in Netherlands.
I'll hold del Haze in the United States, Amazon via
Amazon Fresh and Walmart in Singapore, the Fair Price Group,
Cold Storage and the lizarda group which owns the online
grosser Red Mart in Malaysia, Macro Value and Australia all
the Australia Harris farm Markets and Coohl's. And then they
also had a chat to the warehouse Costco and Faroh Fresh.

(01:24:06):
Nobody wanted to do it. It's just really hard, isn't it.
Twenty three away from seven now AI. When we talk
about the AI shortages, everyone thinks and video chips, but
the real bottleneck right now is the memory and it's
quietly driving a huge slice of the global share market.
Sam Dickey joins US from Fisher funds to explain what's
going on? Hi, Sam, Hi, hear that? Okay, explain what's
going on with the memory? What is it? And why now?

Speaker 10 (01:24:30):
Yes, think of memory chips as AI's notepad. Every AI
chip needs a stack of memory to work. So give
you a couple of stats. S k Heinez. The world's
biggest memory maker has sold out of every chip they'll
make in twenty twenty six, and the spot price that
customers are paying for this memory is up hundreds of
percent in the last few months alone. We've never seen

(01:24:50):
such a frenzied price rise. And the forty to fifty
years memory has been a thing, So why now the
AI itself has changed. So the old chatbots we remember
the early chat GPT, we're kind of like smart calculators,
question and answer out and the new AI chatbots actually
think deeply before they answer, and then they work through
problems step by step. So that needs way way more

(01:25:12):
memory at every step. And then you multiply that by
billions of users worldwide, and we've got an acute memory
shortage right now.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
Okay, so the price for the memory has gone up, right,
how big has this become for the whole share market?

Speaker 10 (01:25:26):
And is the sustainable Yeah, that is that stat is
quite a shock. So one stock alone Micron, which is
the US memory championis k Heinez is the Korean memory champion.
Micron accounts for over fifty percent. This is one stock
of all profit upgrades for the entire American share market
this year.

Speaker 6 (01:25:46):
And here's the thing.

Speaker 10 (01:25:46):
When prices spiked like this for a commodity, any commodity,
and memory has historically absolutely been a very volatile commodity,
people normally start buying less. And we're seeing that now.
So worldwide smartphone sales, example, which used this memory as well,
they're expected to fall sharply this year, the biggest drop
in over a decade PC sales. Also, people are putting

(01:26:08):
off buying that new phone because the cost of memory
is driving up the price of the phone too much.
But here's the twist. So Microsoft, Meta in Google in
their data centers are prepared to pay those really high
prices for memory without blinking. For them, memory is only
about a tenth of the cost of an AI computer,
which is where in videos chip is the bulk. So

(01:26:29):
the thing that could really end the superstar cycle isn't
you or me skipping a phone up grade. It's really
one of those big tech companies deciding they're not prepared
to pay that much for memory.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Ah, what does that all mean for investors?

Speaker 10 (01:26:40):
Then it's extremely overcooked. So here's an example of how
overcooked the expectations have become. Micron, So that's the US
memory champion. Has made seventy billion dollars profit and aggregate
across its entire fifty year history. So that's what maybe
one to two billion dollars per annum. The market now
begs Micron to make eighty billion dollars this year alone,

(01:27:03):
more than they've made in total in fifty years. Then
one hundred and twenty billion dollars a year every year
for the next five years. But and I mentioned this before,
memory chips really are a commodity like oil or copper
a week. They're easy to make, no real point of
difference in history over the last fifty years is full
of cycles where high prices tempt everyone to build more

(01:27:23):
memory than prices crash and the whole industry loses money. However,
the market is betting that it's different this time, and
that Micron can make eighty cents of profit on every
dollar of sales forever and that has never happened, so
it's definitely one to keep an eye on.

Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
Yeah, thanks for pointing that out, Sam, really appreciate it. Sam.
Dicky Fisher funds twenty away from seven Ever Dupers Allen
Simon Barnett for everybody who texts me after I was
absolutely perving on him via Joel Maxwell's column the other
day and said this is not acceptable because if it
was a boy who was doing this for a woman,
not acceptable. Simon Bunny has said he doesn't mind if

(01:28:01):
we're all perving at his hot body. He said he's
totally comfortable with the attention to the media and he
said it's incredibly uplifting at my age. I'm loving it.
It's certainly something I didn't expect. So go for it,
ladies and boys if you want to. Now, Peter Dunn,
it's totally changing the subject here, totally changing the subject.

(01:28:23):
Peter Dunn has written a column for Newsroom claiming that
Winston Peters wants to be the Prime minister after the election.
This is what he says Whenston Peters has always harbored
the desire to be Prime minister, but apart from a
six week period as acting Prime Minister when Jasina Ardun
was on maternity leven twenty eighteen and the odd day
or two here and there. While other prime ministers have
been overseas, the opportunity has so far eluded him. However,

(01:28:45):
this time things may be different, which could explain New
Zealand First's increasingly aggressive approach to National. It is aiming
not to defeat the government, but to put New Zealand
First in a position where Peter's can become Prime Minister
outright unlikely unlikely, or demand that the role be rotated
with National during the coming term. The model is Ireland,

(01:29:06):
where the current Fianna Foyle Fenegael coalition the leaders of
each party serve three years, which is half the parliamentary
term as the Tea Shock which is their prime minister.
Given he's now eighty one, the coming election will almost
certainly be Peter's last throw of the electoral dice. That
and that New Zealand First could be on the brink
of its best election results since its formation gives Peter's

(01:29:27):
campaign added further further. Now I think Peter Dunn is
bang on, because this is the rumor that's been going
around the political circles coming out of Wellington that Winston
Peters wants to be Prime minister. It's not the first
time that it's done the rounds ahead of an election.
It's happened before. But as Peter points out, they may
come in with a much bigger party than they have
in the past. Where I don't I'm not sure I

(01:29:50):
agree with him that this may be the last throw
of the electoral dice, because haven't we been saying this
for about seven hundred elections, Like for the last seven
hundred and five elections we've gone when he's getting on
in age's going to be his last one? Oh, no,
there he is again, It's got to be his last one. No,
there he is again. The man is like, I mean,
we're yet to actually establish that he isn't being run
by AI and is fully human, but he seems to

(01:30:12):
have more stammer than stamina than we all can possibly
you know, account for. However, I mean, you know he
is eighty one. He must be looking at the situation
and saying, you're probably not going to get that many chances.
Now's the time to do it. So what I've heard
as well is he would like to go in the
first half of the term because age related reasons. So
there you go. Consider that might be Winston Raymond Peter's

(01:30:36):
Prime minister at some stage in the next three years,
seventeen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:30:40):
Approaching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather duper
Cy Allen from the Business Hour with mass insurance.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
And investments, your futures in good hands, used talks.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
That'd be Heather the Prime Minister. Muldoon. Rob Muldoon predicted
that Winston Peters would be a prime minister long long ago.
Jeezus had to wait a long time for that to
come right though, ay, and even then at least another
six months fourteen away from seven into Brady UK Correspondenteloinda.

Speaker 11 (01:31:05):
Hey, Heather, great to speak to you.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
Right, let's talk about politics and you're part of the world.
Predict what's going to happen today.

Speaker 11 (01:31:11):
I think it's going to be a bad day for
kir Starmer and Labor, and I think the knives will
be sharpening as I speak. In the background, a lot
of people waiting for the opportunity to oust him. So look,
the polls are predicting that Labor could lose as many
as eighteen hundred council seats across England, and then you've
got national elections in Scotland for the Scottish Parliament, and

(01:31:31):
then you've got Welsh elections for the Welsh Senate, so
they are national elections standalone devolved parliament. Government in Wales
and Scotland. Reform UK are going to hammer Labor in
England I think they'll push hard in Scotland as well,
but ultimately the Scottish National Party SMP will get back
in in Scotland and Labor will lose Wales as well.

(01:31:52):
So there will be big questions this time tomorrow about
whether or not Kier Starmer is demand to lead Labor
to the next general election in three years.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
How soon after the election results come in do they
move with the letter?

Speaker 11 (01:32:04):
So I think the letter will be circulated by this
time tomorrow morning. It'll be time to perfection. Breakfast news bulletins,
all the morning's newspapers will have it. And this is
a letter that apparently has already been written saying that
you know you need to set out a timetable now
for your departure. We have no confidence in you. And
what I find amazing is a lot of the people

(01:32:25):
who've signed this from what I'm hearing they only got
in in twenty twenty four, so starmer led them into
their work, into their jobs and their political careers. These
are new politicians. Let's see what he can do. But
he's struggling. He really is struggling.

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
Well, those are the very people who should be supporting him,
right because generally the people who come in your cohort
supports you. The fact he's lost them already is saying something,
isn't it.

Speaker 11 (01:32:47):
I think that's a very wise observation. Yes, if these
were all disgruntled backbenchers who've been overlooked for cabinet positions,
you would be forgiven for thinking this was a storm
and a teacup.

Speaker 6 (01:32:58):
You're right.

Speaker 11 (01:32:58):
These are the young new poulticians who've basically thought with
so much hope in you as the rest of the
country had, and then we need to move on. But look,
there's a lot to go. The country is just beginning
to vote. Now, let's see what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
Hey, So what's the pub chain? Boss said about the
drinkers at the airports. So this is a big route.

Speaker 11 (01:33:18):
This week started off by Ryanair's boss Michael O'Leary, who
is never short of a blunt word and loves a headline.
He came out and said, I am sick of the
amount of aircraft having to be turned around or diverted
because of drunk people on board. The airports need to
stop selling alcohol. There is no reason for people to
be drinking beer at four and five am, and then

(01:33:40):
the problem becomes our problem after they've had more alcohol
on board. So he's come out with that. Tim Martin
is the boss of Weatherspoons, eight hundred pub chains nationwide,
a lot of them in airports. And Tim Martin says
that it's not his fault, it's not his pub's fault,
and he says that it's completely unpoliceable, and he says
it will be like Big Brother at the airport. And

(01:34:03):
I picked Tim Martin up on this. It is entirely
policeable because how many times have you been at an
airport when you go to buy something duty free and
they say, can I see your boarding pass? So basically
you just make it that people can have one alcoholic
drink per boarding pass and after that, no more booze.
And then we stop seeing videos on Instagram with English
people trying to kill each other on the plane to Spain.

Speaker 2 (01:34:25):
I feel like this is a this is a europe problem,
Like we don't really have this problem. I mean, I
guess the ausies eid it with the people coming back
from Bali, the Bogans from Bali. It does happen there.
What happened when the pope tried to change is Zedricinda.

Speaker 6 (01:34:38):
I love this story.

Speaker 11 (01:34:40):
So a Catholic priest who's American and clearly knows the
pope and his inner circle has been talking about this.
So last year when he was just Robert Prevost, the
man who is now Pope Leo, he rang his bank
in Chicago from the Vatican, and he went through all
the security checks and what he was wanting to do
was change phone number to a Vatican phone number and

(01:35:03):
change his address to the Vatican. And the lady, you
know we've all been there, customer service, not being particularly
helpful or friendly, basically computer said no. And she said
to him, look, our rules are you need to come
into the branch to do this. You need to bring
ID you will need to come see me face to face.
And she didn't flock the name Robert Prevost at the time.

(01:35:27):
And then he very gently and kindly apparently said very humbly,
my dear, would it help if I told you I'm
now Pope Leo?

Speaker 6 (01:35:36):
And she hung up.

Speaker 11 (01:35:40):
She thought he was joking, And a friend of the
pope's has told that story, so there you go. Eventually
he got sorted because he contacted a bishop in Chicago
who knew the CEO of the bank, and everything got
smoothed out. So even the Pope doesn't get any good
of customer service these How.

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
Good is that? In the thank you very much for that?
In the Brady UK correspondence, everything happened to the Pope
who was played by Hannibal Lecter, who was Annibal lichter.

Speaker 24 (01:36:05):
keV.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
Stop talking to Ender who played Annibal. Come on, Anthony Hopkins,
Anthony Hopkins, thank you. I'm still having this woman's moment
that's been going on for about an hour and a half.
By the way, Anthony Hopkins played the Pope. He played
the creepy Pope, the German Pope Ratsinger. Do you remember this? Oh,
it's all coming back to me now, As Celendi On
once said, you know what I'm talking about. I'm talking

(01:36:29):
about the movie The Two Popes, and in The Two Popes,
Ratsinger tries to change do something and he has the
same problem because no one wants to believe him that
he's the pope trying it is It wasn't him? Or
was it the one that was played by the Oh Lord?
Nor was it the other Pope, the Argentinian Pope when
he tried to make the phone call and book his
own tickets. That's what it was. Sorry that you had
to sit through that. Sorry about that.

Speaker 3 (01:36:49):
Eight away from seven, It's the heather too for See
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Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
Six away from seven, I've got some good news for you.
If you are a renter, you're probably already seeing this,
and if you're not, you probably need to change where
you're renting. Because good news is that rents are coming
down and pretty much across the country except for two
places Why Cuthor Nelson, which are going on in completely
the opposite direction and have hit record highs. Why Cutor
is up four point one percent year on year rent
there is now five to eighty three a week, Nelson

(01:37:22):
eight percent up year on year, rents now six seventeen
a week. Rest of the country, though down or flat.
The biggest fall was in the central North Island. The
rents fell from about six let's round it up. We
say six hundred tw was actually six hundred and nineteen,
but six twenty dollars a week last April now five
sixty six. That's a significant saving, A six twenty down

(01:37:42):
to five sixty six. What is that fifty five bucks
or thereabouts, it's pretty good. Gisbon has gone down by
thirty bucks to six twenty eight. Wellington has gone from
six forty seven a week to six twenty cis nearly
a thirty dollars saving there. Central Lakes district though, whoa
Central Otago Lakes district? That's expensive. That's eight hundred and
sixty dollars a week. That's well above any other region

(01:38:04):
eight hundred just to give you perspective, eight hundred and
sixty dollars a week. The average rent is six thirty
a week across the country. So if you're living around
Central Otago Lakes, you are paying a lot of you
you're a rich guy. As we would say, now, we
haven't got an ants today. We've got Andy, haven't we Andy?

Speaker 26 (01:38:21):
Yes, we do hither and naturally, of course I've gone
into the list of heather approved split in songs, which
conveniently you actually gave me.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
So look at that when I said Erica Stanford was
a control freak. What I was doing was doing takes
one to know one, Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 26 (01:38:37):
The old pot kettle black fantas. That's one of my
favorite sayings as well. But anyway, from the Heather Heather
Approved split ends Shark Attack.

Speaker 2 (01:38:46):
That's a banger though in it you know that'll embarrass myself.

Speaker 26 (01:38:51):
I don't actually, I don't next to know the song.

Speaker 2 (01:38:55):
It's silophones in the background.

Speaker 26 (01:38:57):
What is that the song? No, I think I'm hearing
it for the first time.

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
Yeah, but you're not sure.

Speaker 11 (01:39:04):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (01:39:04):
Listen to the spit. Listen to the spit. Listen to
the spit. That's fun, though, isn't it.

Speaker 26 (01:39:13):
It's so cool, isn't it fun?

Speaker 2 (01:39:16):
Wasn't it if you were if you had taken too
many deism you'd be you could go a bit.

Speaker 26 (01:39:20):
Spastic to this, and that happened from time to time.
So maybe next time I do that. Yeah, I put
it on.

Speaker 2 (01:39:28):
I'll tell you what I'm so exciting about. Sunday. Those
boys better not tear attendant break of voice, get a
cold like I want them in isolation and not moving
until Sunday so we can just have a rager et
splitens sober rage because it's days a weekday, in a
working day, see you tomorrow, and that's not a.

Speaker 1 (01:40:18):
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