Full Show Podcast: 08 July 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's Heather duplicy.

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Allan drive with One New Zealand and the power of
satellite mobile news talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Afternoon, Welcome to the show coming up today, The ocr
has gone up. The Reserve Bank Governor Anna Bremen is
with us after five o'clock. Act has announced three strikes
for burglars. We'll have a chat to the Justice spokesperson
Na coom Keee and Noline Todo or the silver Fon's
coach ahead of the Commonwealth Games.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Heather Duplicylo, so as.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
I say, yep, the official cash rad has gone up
today by twenty five basis points. This is the first
rise that we've seen in three years. It was unanimous
around the committee table that this needed to happen for
the reason of inflation, because even though petrol and diesel
prices have fallen sharply since the Iran War cease fire
deal was struck, they are not back to pre war
levels yet and they will not be for some time,

(00:51):
and that, of course is inflationary. You know what struck
me today though, was that even though this is the
first hike in the official cash rate in three years,
and even though there is no all consensus among high
profile economists that this should happen, I mean, plenty of
them are calling very strongly for this to be held
for the sake of the economy. There isn't nearly as
much angst around this as there was around any of

(01:13):
the decisions that Adrian or made, even when they were
decisions that we wanted, because we got angsty because they
were either too late or too early or too whatever. Instead,
the press conference today was boring, like so boring, it
was refreshing. Anna Breman slowly talked us through her decision
with a slide show. She let Paul on one side
of her pipe up occasionally Karen on the other side

(01:36):
was allowed to pipe up. She took questions from journalists
on video link. She explained really basic economic concepts to them.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
All.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
The impression that you got the whole way through was
that Anna Bremen is in control because we knew this
was This was not a surprise. We knew this was coming.
It was really well signaled. Seventy percent of the economists
were expecting this. The market had priced it in the
NZIEO that ier shadow board was picking it. There was
as I say, consensus around the committee table gives the
impression that she's not their victim of a knee jerk reaction,

(02:08):
but is quite deliberate in the path that she's taking,
when you can argue that her job right now is
every bit as hard as Adrian ours was adrianaws was,
at least towards the end of his tenure, because this
Iran stuff is really mucking around with predictions. Isn't it
that press conference was so boring and so angst free
again that it gives me some hope that the further
that we get away from COVID and the characters who

(02:30):
were in COVID, the more things will return to their
boring averages, and we will get on with each other
and get on with the jobs that we're supposed to
do a lot better.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Heather duplusy Ellen, nineteen ninety two.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Of the text number standard text fees apply, right, Let's
try to be angst free in this Labor has matched
national solar policy for the election year. If elected, the
party would use the Ratepayers Assistant Scheme to offer low
interest rate loans plus low income low to middle income
families would receive a three thousand dollars subsidy for the
solar Chris Hapkins, of course is the Labor Party leader.

(03:04):
Hih Chippie heather same policy as Nationals.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
Then because of further than Nationals, we're also opening up
other financing options. We're doing plug in solar, and we're
providing kickstart grants for low income households. There's also funding
for community batteries and some further support for the workforce
because we know that actually and TIP is getting more
solar panels on Kiwi rus faster, the workforce is going

(03:29):
to be one of our biggest constraints there.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Now. Listen on that subsidy of three thousand dollars for
load of middle income households. What's a load middle income household.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
It's been modeling that off the warmer Keiwi Home scheme,
so that's the scheme that ECA currently operate for low
income households around home insulation. So we'd follow a similar criteria.
We'd obviously finalize that with EKE, but we'd follow a
similar criteria to the one that currently applies to the
warmer Kiwi Home skin.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Right well, the warmer Kiwi Home scheme, which is the
insulation subsidy you must own your house, you must have
lived in it before two thousand and eight. You must
hold a community services card, or you must live in
a poorer area as defined by the deprivation index, which
means you could be a millionaire living in Manyerewa and
you get a subsidy.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
No, there'll be protections built into it to stop that
from happening, as there are with the Warmakiwi Home scheme.
If you're a millionaire, you can't access that.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
But why not because it says, according to this you
just have to live in the low e lower income area.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
No, there's still a check in place. You won't find
any millionaires having had their home insulated using the Warmakiwi Homes.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Please to hear it all right now, it's true that
you guys actually planned to announce this policy at your conference,
but you had to pull it because National announced it
about four days earlier.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
No.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
No, we've been working on it for a while, and
there are some stakeholders that obviously we've been working on,
particularly around the rate payer assistance scheme, that clearly knew
that that was one of the elements of the policy
that we were working on. But it was we made
the decision well before National made their announcement that we
were going to be doing the apprenticeships boost at conference
because it was really focused. My speech at conference was

(05:04):
really focused on jobs and getting keys back into jobs.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Ah you okay, Hey, what's Damien O'Connor up to.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
I don't know where he is right at this very moment, less,
I don't have I don't have trackers on all of
the ups, but it might could be a useful innovation.
Which letter are Europe?

Speaker 3 (05:22):
He's written a letter to Simon Watt's telling him that
he wants Simon wants to intervene and stop why Tucky
lifting the rates by seventeen percent tomorrow? Are you aware
of that?

Speaker 4 (05:32):
And I haven't seen that, but that sounds like, I mean,
local MPs will write on behalf of local communities and
you know that. I'm not familiar with the details of that,
but sounds like that's Damien doing good local ad becacy.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
He's not going to support National's rate caps rate cap law?

Speaker 5 (05:48):
Is he?

Speaker 4 (05:50):
I don't think we've actually formed a final view on
that as the Labor Party in terms of what we're doing.
I don't really we've actually seen the details of what
they're proposing in terms of their rate caps.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
So you guys might yet, well, we.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
Haven't made a final call on that because one of
the things is you've got to figure out how how
councils are actually going to pay for what they need
to do if you have a rate cap in place,
and that's one of the big problems. It's it's good
retail politics, totally understand it. No one wants to pay
higher rates. But actually if you look at you know,
your local mayor there in Auckland's who's been pretty clear
that he can't make a rates get work based on

(06:23):
what the current what the National Party being proposed that he's.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
A pain in the ass, isn't them? And he's a
pain all the time? Listener, are you going to support
the National Party social media ban?

Speaker 4 (06:32):
We've said that we're open to supporting something to Select Committee.
We haven't seen that you know the final detail of
what they're proposing yet, but you know, there are some
things we wouldn't suppor we wouldn't support a ban on VPNs,
for example, which is one of the ideas that was
being mugit this week. But getting a bill to Select
Committee that can that can look at greater protections for
the under sixteens. Very open to that, so that's not

(06:54):
that's not a blank check though.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
In principle you support the idea.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
Yeah, I mean, I think what the Aussie experience has
showing is that there's a lot of things you've got
to work through to actually get it to work though,
because they still having some issues with that in Australia.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
All right, Chippie, thanks very much. Appreciate it. As Chris
Hopkins Labor Party leaders, So don't want to say I
told you so, but didn't I tell you this? Didn't
I tell you that this was what they were going
to announce today because I got told this is what
they were going to announce to day, So maybe that
story was right. Oh, mate, Meghan was reading the policy
documents in public, somebody read it over her shoulder, and
then National announced it first. Because this policy is almost

(07:31):
exactly the same as nationals A. Both are offering loan
schemes for solar, both are using ratepayers assistant schemes. Labour's
talking about Plug and SOLAS. Simeon yesterday on his Facebook
page was talking about Plug and SOLA. The only difference
is that Labor is also offering free money because well,
you know, they don't change their spots, do they. Anyway,
we'll come back to that later on. We'll get Barry
Soapers taken on it as well when he's with us.

(07:53):
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Speaker 2 (07:55):
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Speaker 1 (07:58):
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Speaker 3 (08:02):
Listen. I am going to have to get you across
this letter from Damian O'Connor to the Minister about the
y tacky decision which is happening tomorrow. I'll do that
in a teck when I get a chance. Right now,
it's seventeen past four Sport.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
With Generate celebrating great performances in sport and Key we
Saver again.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Darcy Wattergrave, sports talkhosters of Mellow Darcy, Oh, had you
made it sound like there was some sort of an
earthquake coming on just then?

Speaker 2 (08:23):
How do I do that?

Speaker 3 (08:24):
I think it was rolling That microphone across my bike
was off.

Speaker 6 (08:27):
I reverberated over the desk. It was very sensitive the
Mike Hosking Memorial Studio.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah, I've noticed that sometimes people get quite animated and
slam the desk. Well, Chris Hurson was doing it the
other night. All right, now, FIFA, we know who's in
the quarterfinals. Run me through it and then there were eight.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
This is it.

Speaker 6 (08:48):
This is the very pointed end of it. And today
we found out something very interesting about Lionel Messi. He's
almost unstoppable coming up against Egypt. The idea or as
they dismiss Egypt without even a thought and they go
through to the next round.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
What happened?

Speaker 6 (09:05):
Oh, I know about twelve minutes to go, they're down
to zip down. So what do they do?

Speaker 7 (09:12):
They win?

Speaker 6 (09:13):
Three too messy scores one of the goals, one of
the three. Wouldn't be surprised. We scored all three of them.
And the Egyptians are plainly quite upset. Are they really
wanted me Sie to stay?

Speaker 7 (09:24):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (09:24):
They cheated?

Speaker 3 (09:25):
A wow?

Speaker 2 (09:26):
What you guys got?

Speaker 6 (09:27):
You guys got beaten by one of the greatest players
of all time. So heading on the way to defend
their title. And that's that's the way a champion team
and a champion player performs backs against the wall. Do
they cow or do they drop to their knees? Now
they swing?

Speaker 3 (09:42):
So of our pool the only ones still surviving of Belgium.
Mm hmm, I feel okay. About that.

Speaker 6 (09:47):
They're right about that. I've kind of forgotten that the
all whites were there now that we've got to the point,
and that sounds rude. I'm not being rude about the
all whites, but now this is serious stuff. Now it's
working out. The Switzerland got through as well. They beat
our Columbia. It was a penalty shootout at the end
that got them through. They probably won't go much further.
I think we're still odds on. Looking at there's a

(10:07):
possibility of a repeat of the final four years ago.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
That might be the case.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
How long did his quarterfinal go?

Speaker 8 (10:17):
Over?

Speaker 6 (10:17):
Five hours?

Speaker 2 (10:18):
No way?

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Is that the longest in Wimbledon history.

Speaker 6 (10:22):
It's the longest quarter final in Wimbledon history. And I
didn't watch it because I got all like my nose
out of joint because I realized that to download let
another platform to watch it, it's really, do we have
another one?

Speaker 3 (10:36):
Really?

Speaker 6 (10:36):
I'm sick of buying these, but I can't do it.
I'm not but the Ministry of gorgeous. My partner in
London loves loves tennis, so she was watching it while
she was talking to me this morning, and I got
like a running commentary on.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
What was going on over there talking for five hours.

Speaker 9 (10:52):
No, it was the last hour.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
I mean we were talking for an hour.

Speaker 6 (10:55):
We do two to three hours a day, an hour
in the morning, an hour and that we love each other. Gross,
it's not a gross yea heart go fonder. I mean, yeah,
we can't get sick of each other and know what
do you mean?

Speaker 7 (11:11):
Move on?

Speaker 3 (11:12):
How de Brad Smith on the show this evening have
you We.

Speaker 6 (11:15):
Indeed had one of my favorite former All Black scenters
wait a lawyer.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yeah, said, there's a rare combo of brawn and brain.

Speaker 6 (11:23):
There, and he did something quite wonderful when he went
on his first I thought it was a through retired
full stop, but it wasn't. Twenty eleven, the won the
World Cup. He gets a sabbatical, right, what does he
do on a sabbatical. He doesn't go and play rugby.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
He actually got away.

Speaker 6 (11:38):
From the game for a month. Yeah, and he went
around South America. Machel Pitch, you went walking experienced life.
So he actually was in a sabbatical for the reason
of being in a sabbat, which is getting away from
the game.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Then he come back when's another World Cup.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
So he's on with you I'm looking forward to that. Darcy,
thank you.

Speaker 6 (11:55):
And Jake Duke is going to join us to talk
about origin as well.

Speaker 10 (11:58):
Later.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
You look after yourself. It's Darcy water Grave, sportstal rist
to whoever it is, it's text me now. A number
of times Darcy sounds like he's in his sixties, not
because he's not in his thirties. Stop texting that he's
in his fifties. That's why he sounds like he's in
his sixties.

Speaker 6 (12:12):
Ptty Sick, Hey right there, Betty Sick.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Thank you for twenty two.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
The day's newspakers talk to Heather First, Heather dupisy Ellen
Drive with One New Zealand and the Power of satellite
mobile news Talk said, be listen.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
I think Donald I think we may have to start
treating Donald Trump and the Greenland thing is relatively serious.
I think he actually does, because he talks about this
a lot, and he's talked about it again, which makes
me think he actually does. This is not him, This
is not posturing or gameplaying. He actually wants Greenland, like
the thing that he's saying is the thing that he
actually wants. He's had a meeting with Herder one of

(12:48):
Turkey at the NATO summit, and then afterwards he said
Greenland should be controlled by the United States, not by
den Market. It's an important part of the United States.
It's surrounded by Chinese and Russian ships, and he won't
let Greenland be threatened. And talk to Gordon Robison, who
is on Middle East correspondent, and be with us in
around about ten minutes and just see whether he agrees
with me that this is starting to feel like it's

(13:08):
not game playing but an actual thing. For twenty five
got some just because today's OCRTA and now the mortgage
rates are going to go up. Maybe I suppose your
latest updates on what your house price is doing. So
we've got some property figures from qv this afternoon, and
unfortunately last three months show another fall in the nation
wide price, so it's down zero point four percent. Nationwide

(13:30):
average is now sitting at nine hundred and six thousand dollars.
This means that from the peak in January twenty two,
our prices have fallen fifteen percent, which is a reasonable sum.
The average back then was one hundred and four million dollars.
One hundred yeah, no one, a lot of money for
hows wouldn't it One million one point zero four million,

(13:52):
and now it's fallen back to nine hundred and six
thousand dollars. Auckland's average has come back zero points seven
percent for seven percent for the three months. It's now
sitting up one point one eight million. Wellington's is down
about one percent, sitting at just shy of nine hundred thousand.
Todung has actually gone up zero point nine percent. It's
now sitting at zero at one point zero four million.
This is the only place. Totung is the only place

(14:12):
in the whole North Island to actually go up in price.
In the South Island, though's a completely different story. All
the prices have increased basically south of Greymouth, all of
them except for Dunedin. Dunedin's fell zero point three percent.
Christ Juge has gone up basically one percent to an
average of eight eight hundred and six one thousand dollars.
So there you go, depending on where you Its basically
a story of the North and South, isn't it. The

(14:32):
North is doing a bit cruddy and the South is
doing very very well, thank you very much. Now, look,
a lot of people have text me to take issue
with what Chippy just said. Heather, I've used that Eco
skin to insulate and heat my home. This is the
WARMICHEMI home scheme using the deprivation scale, and my house
this is Nathan. My house is a million dollar plus.
Hither I got the Eco grant for free insulation because

(14:53):
I live in a low income area, even though we
definitely are not low income. It's definitely based on area,
not individual home. That's how in christ Church Hither, I
own three homes. They've all had insulation installed through ECA.
One of them also had a heat pump installed. There
was no check, it was just the location and whether
it was owner occupied. Now I've got Samuel the producer,

(15:14):
to flick an email off to ECA to see what's
going on here because I think, I mean, i'd look.
I don't know how interested we are in it, because
I think we know Labour's going to lose the election.
So it's kind of really, you know, who could be
bothered actually double checking the crap that comes out of
Chippy's mouth sometimes. But I think that was just a
bit of crap that came out of his mouth. So
we'll just double check it with ECA and see whether

(15:34):
we're just going to hand out some more money to millionaires.
Here because they delive in manye Ewa and I'll get
back to you on that news us.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Next the name you trust to get the answers you need,
it's Heather duplic Ellen drive with one New Zealand and the.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Power of satellite mobile used talks that'd be up five
feel every right.

Speaker 11 (16:01):
We had a.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Sentially a day of policy announcements today Actors announced a
new policy to tackle recidibus burglars. So basically their idea is,
if you get if you get found stealing things, you
burglar house three times in a row, you're going to
spend a minimum three years in prison. Right, that's your
three strikes. Three years in prison, no parole, no home detention,
no earlier release. Because what they're pointing out is that

(16:22):
this is a recidious crime. The majority of people released
from prison for burglary are sent back to prison within
two years. Nearly three quarters is act are re sentenced.
One in four burglar burglary victims have already been burgled before.
Remember the case of the guy who cut off the
finger of the young guy. Remember that farmer out down
down south and Waikato somewhere and he chopped off the finger.
Because this kid had been into the house like it

(16:43):
was like his third or fourth time in the same
guy's house. So he's chopped off a finger, won't be
coming back, obviously not This does not constitute advice for
how to deal with criminals in your house, by the way,
but actors kind of got onto that and realized these
people just keep coming back from more than the judges.
Two lenients are going to sort it out. Nicole McKee's
going to be with us after five o'clock on that

(17:04):
right now, it's twenty four away from five.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
It's the world wires on news talks.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
They'd be drive so obviously you'll have seen. The Iran
War has flared back up again. The US has launched
air strikes against Iran and response to the Iranian attacks
on ships in the Stratifor moves a retired naval officers
is he thinks Iran has launched its attacks now in
order to ramp up pressure on the US.

Speaker 12 (17:24):
My guess is that tomorrow the price of oil is
likely to go up, and that in turn is going
to exert further pressure on Donald Trump. Whether Iran is
stalling for time and just wants to keep the negotiations
going remains to be seen, but this is a very
precarious moment.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
Donald Trump has attended the NATO summit in Anchor. Today
he has had another crack at his European allies for
staying out of the Iran war.

Speaker 10 (17:47):
You would think that they'd be very willing to do
something to help us, and they really weren't. In the
case of the United Kingdom, the Prime Minister, I guess
he's no longer there and he said, no, well, help
after the war is over. I said, I don't need
that kind of help.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
And finally, count me in. I'm having a bet of that.
Count bin Face, a perennial UK election candidate who wears
the big metal helmet you'll have seen that, the big
metal helmet shaped like a trash can, has announced that
he will run against Nigel Faraj and the Clacton by
election Labor, the Tories, the Greens that Live Demsubill said
they're not going to run in the by election. They
reckon Nigel's resignation was just a stunt to draw attention

(18:28):
away from the probes into his finances. But Count Binface,
who managed to get ninety five votes in the recent
make Field by election, has tweeted game on NIGE and
then he's tweeted bin face versus bin fire, bring it on.
So it looks like that's going to be the main opponent.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Gordon Robinson, US, and Middle East Correspondence with US. Now, Hey, Gordon, Hey,
it's good to talk to you. I'm starting to reach
the conclusion that this is not a game and Donald
Trump actually does want green Have you reached the second clusion?

Speaker 13 (19:02):
Yeah, I think yeah, I think that's that's true. Now,
whether he's willing to move on that is a separate question.
The irony is that the US practically controls Greenland as
it is. It not only has a military base there.
During the Cold War, the US had like fifteen, maybe
even twenty military bases, and the existing agreement between the US,

(19:24):
Denmark and Greenland allows the US basically to open more
bases whenever it wants to. So you can make an
argument that the US has all the flexibility it needs
in Greenland. But Trump really seems obsessed with this, and
you know, I think six months ago we all thought

(19:44):
that it had gone away, but clearly it has not.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
What is the point of him continuing to hammer the
Europeans over the Iran War. I mean, it's not going
to change the past, is it.

Speaker 13 (19:55):
No, it's not going to change the past. And I
suppose it might encourage the Europeans to raised defense spending,
something most of the Europeans who are in NATO have
committed to do but have not fully followed through on.
But you could make the argument from the other side that, Okay,
the Europeans have not fulfilled their NATO defense spending pledges,

(20:16):
but they've made a lot of progress considering it's only
been what eighteen months. I think Trump just likes being
the center of attention. I mean this is not a
novel observation. He likes being the center of attention, and
he likes criticizing his allies. I mean, you look at
what's happened with Maloney, the Italian Prime Minister. She was
one of his closest allies in Europe and now seems

(20:38):
to be having a spat with him for no really
obvious reason.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah, fairpoint that you might there. Listen, what is going
on in the straight of home. Was that for the
first start, why did around attach three ships?

Speaker 13 (20:52):
That is a question that a lot of us who
focus on the Middle East have been wondering. I mean
that it could be that it's related to the on
going funeral for the late Supreme Leader and his family,
that it was a way of in effect being part
of that. The result, however, is that there has been

(21:13):
a significant back and forth between the Americans and the
Iranians going back to before the weekend, and I think
that's left the currencies fire accord on life support.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Now, Grand Platner, what do you reckon is going to
happen here?

Speaker 13 (21:29):
I think it is hard to see how Platner's candidacy
remains viable. I mean the Nazi tattoo, the homophobic and
racist comments on social media, and now a very serious
accusation of rape by a former girlfriend. The trick is

(21:51):
he has to withdraw. He has to stand down by
Monday for the party, the Democratic Party in Maine, to
be able to replace him on the ballot. So he
has now withdrawn from campaigning. He hasn't said he's dropping out,
but it's really hard to see how he can go forward.
And the Democrats are really a little bit panicked about

(22:12):
this because that Senate seat in Maine is their best
chance to flip a seat in November's midterm elections, and
unless they can do that, it's really hard to see
how the Democrats can take control of the Senate.

Speaker 10 (22:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
Interesting, Hey, thank you very much, Gordon appreciated. Gordon Robinson
US and Middle East corresponding, coming up eighteen away from five.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Ever do the sea either.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Regarding the home invasion, the guy that cut off that
teen's finger did it because he was attacked and not burgled.
It was more like a home invasion. No, I don't
know if you you might not have been listening to
the show that day. I actually reckon the jury, I don't.
I mean, you know, in an ideal world, he wouldn't
have chopped off a kid's finger. But given the circumstances,
I thought the jury actually reached the right conclusion when

(22:54):
they found him not guilty of chopping off the kid's finger.
If you follow follow the drift on it. And I
don't know how you'd read act if somebody broke into
your house three or four times, and I'm exactly the
same person hither I'm not the owner occupier. I rent
the family home. I have plenty of income. Yesterday the
door to door. Agent told us, no problem, it's all
about the location. Chippy's either wrong or he's telling lies. Now,

(23:17):
how have you texted that's I'm like, it's like a
stuttering record today. How have you text earlier that said
it's unfair to say anything about crap coming out at
Chippy's mouth? But I say this with a record of
crap coming out at Chippy's mouth, And you will eventually
come to this conclusion too, if you haven't already. Chippy
makes things up. You realize this, say like it is
one of his go to habits. Other people have other

(23:41):
kind of weird things that they do when they are
under pressure in an interview, but Chippy will literally make
things up. And I have a very strong suspicion that
he has made this up right now, and that when
Eka comes back to us and tells us what the
rules are for millionaires and manyere will read the home
insulation which he plans to emulate for the solar power
stuff and giving free money. I think we're gonna find
out it's okay for them to get the money. I

(24:02):
suspect strongly that that's the case. If not, I will
eat my words. But we'll come back to it when
we get and please remember Aker is probably not going
to come back to us today because they are they're
a quango that's funded by the government. So are they
even still at work? Did they come to work today
or are they just f ORWFH do you know what
I mean? Working from home? Got some good news for you.

(24:23):
The cakeson sold out for this sweekhead. I wasn't sure
it was going to happen, but it has sold out
because last Thursday they still had four thousand tickets left
for the Italy game, and that was despite the fact
that they cut the prices by twenty percent. But anyway,
after the test against the French, we've all got interested
in test rugby again. Interest has gone up. They sold
out this morning. By the way, just so you don't
get caught out on Saturday, don't go and sit in

(24:43):
front of Italy at seven o'clock and go right, I'm
ready for our HKA. No, you got to sit in
front of itally at five o'clock. It's a five o'clock
cackoff Barry Soapers. Next sixteen away from.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
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Speaker 3 (24:57):
An a Bremen. The Reserve Bank governors with us after
five on the OCR hike it's thirteen away from five
and Barry Soapers with us high Barry.

Speaker 7 (25:03):
Good afternoon, Heather on that. Well, it was interesting today,
wasn't It was the consensus unlike previous considerations of the OCR,
and that probably falls into line with I think you
pointed out earlier. Most economists felt that there should be
a rise today. And for those mortgage interst rate holders

(25:24):
who are worried that their mortgages will go up as
a result of this, they needn't worry too much because
the conventional wisdom is that because the Bank had been
indicating now for some time that the OCR was going
to rise, then it won't flow through automatically as it
has done on the past to mortgage interest rates. But

(25:48):
what does that do for inflation? So what it's basically
telling people come keep your credit card and your wallet,
because you know, inflation has to come under control. But
then I think people are finding it very hard anyway,
so they're not out there spending as they normally would,
so they probably did exactly the right thing today. Nikola

(26:10):
Willis was asked whether the Reserve Bank though was being
a little too reactive, but she wasn't about to buy
into that one, given that the statutory independence of the
central Banker is complete.

Speaker 14 (26:21):
It has been a difficult time for everyone though, trying
to get the best dart of information, even just today,
so that world prices have gone up another few percentage
points as we've seen missiles flying in the Middle East. Again,
it's a difficult time to predict what's happening with growth,
with inflation, with prices, and all of us are operating
in that place. The question isn't our things challenging right now?
It's whose best place to fix it? And Labor has

(26:43):
said that they would go back to their old ways
and that was a living disaster.

Speaker 7 (26:48):
So she had a bit of a kick at Labor,
as does her wants and the lead up to the election.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
Okay, so the solar power I told you it was
going to happen today.

Speaker 7 (26:58):
Yeah. It's an interesting one though, because one of the
issues is the plug in battery units, and I was
unaware of them, I've got to say, until this came
up today. They're being quite widely used in the UK
and Germany.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
Did I'm not tell you about them yesterday? And when
we talked about.

Speaker 7 (27:17):
Them, not the plug in units that I think. But
it's interesting, isn't it that they are used elsewhere, but
Work in Safety here says that they pose a major risk.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
They're illegal here, but you can buy them in Ikea
in Germany.

Speaker 7 (27:30):
Well you can, and Ikea is here now, so you know,
I would imagine they will be on the market soon,
because not only as the Labor Party says that they'll
have this policy in place within twelve months of becoming
the government, if that's what happens in November. The same
and Brown the Energy Ministry, he's out there now saying, look,

(27:51):
we're looking at telling officials to explore the possibility of
allowing these things to be used in New Zealand. And
I've got to say I take my hat off to
Chloe Swarbrick today and it's not often I do that,
but she's come up with a good idea. She said
Parliament can lower New Zealander's power bills and reduce emissions

(28:12):
before the election. She says both the Red and the
Blue teams are on board with this one, and she
said there's no reason why they can't progress it now
with both of them agreeing to it, and the Greens
would throw their weight in behind it, so you know
we could have them sooner rather than later if you
listen to the Green.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
Do you like the ax party policy for three strikes
for burglary?

Speaker 7 (28:35):
Yes, I do, because if you look at I couldn't
believe the figures for recidivist defenders when it comes to burglary.
Last year, for example, one hundred and eighty four thousand
New Zealanders were the victims of burglary in this country.
Is absolutely appalling. It's a recidibus crime, with a majority

(28:59):
of people released from prison for burglary sent back to prison.
I think you mentioned that within two years of getting
out for the same offense, nearly three quarters are re sentence.
Now around one in four burglary victims have already been
burgled before, and that's terrible. Fortunately, I think myself lucky
I've never been burgled, and long may that be the case.

(29:21):
But look, the three strikes thing, even if you're appearing
for your first time on burglary, if it's as a
result according to the law that they want to introduce,
if you've committed one burglary, but it's a series that
you've committed on the one charge and you're appearing for

(29:41):
the first time in court, the judge can still give
you that minimum three year sentence. So and when you
look at the three strikes legislation that was brought back
by this government last year, it was introduced initially the
three strikes by the John Key government in twenty ten,

(30:02):
was scrapped by Labor in twenty twenty three. I think
it's good it's back on the books and this I
think is essential that burglars know that their time is
up and let's hope they appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
Not sorry for them in the slightest baron, Thanks very much,
Barry so Per, senior political correspondent, on that Nicole McKee
will be with us just after ten past five or
they're about us eight away from five Right now.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
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Speaker 2 (30:39):
How bullish on a high KR are you we're.

Speaker 15 (30:41):
Reasonably confident that rates will go up? I mean the
more important question here, I think that everyone needs to
get their heads around. Is that even the most dubbish
forecaster still thinks that rates are going to go up
across the rest of this year. And that's all people
have got to get their heads around. Three rate increases
are already priced into the market, So when you're thinking
about your mortgage rates and your cost of borrowing, generally,

(31:03):
unless you're on a floating rate, you're not likely to
see a substantial move in those rates given that it's
already priced in.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Back tomorrow at six am, the mic asking breakfast with
Defend a Trophy News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Yeah, why three times? Why are we waiting for three
strikes before we send them to prison on their well,
why don't we send them to prison on their first defense?
Isn't that obvious that it is wrong to break into
someone else's house and take their stuff? I mean, that's
very bloody good question. How about the first time they
break into the house, we go. You know you're not
supposed to break into a house, don't you That's the rule?
You know that. Okay, if you go into jail, stay

(31:36):
there for a bit, stay there for the full time.
I don't know. We can ask Nicole ma a Key
about that. I mean the problem is I think I
can probably answer the question the judges. You know, the
judges like to do the thing that the judges do. Anyway,
she's with us shortly four away from five. By the way,
B and Z have you seen this story today? So
a bunch of B and Z staff have gone to
the Herald claiming that the CEO, Dan Huggins, has threatened
to cut benefits unless they come back to work. I thought, oh,

(32:00):
I mean, I don't like the working from home as well.
Go Dan, let's find out about it. The story just
got boring. So it appears to be an historic issue.
After the COVID things. Wanne everybody was working from home
after COVID, And after that they had a team's meeting
and Dan said, all right, it's the time everybody comes
back to work. And somebody said, well, actually, we've all

(32:20):
worked really hard and we haven't had a pay rise.
And he said, well, if you don't come back to work. Apparently,
according to them, if you don't come back to work,
we're going to cut you six week and you'll leave. Policy. Hey,
ban zid stuff. Most people don't get six weeks and
you'll leave. So you're actually really lucky there. So anyway,
then it turns out that old mate who's complaining to
the Herald about it got made redundant last year, so

(32:41):
I think we can probably see through that one. Incidentally, incidentally,
I got to meet Dan. Was it last week that
I met Dan keV? Was it last week? I did
that thing with one New Zealand? So last week time
flies was last Wednesday? Anyway, got to meet Dan. He
was hilarious and it took me by surprise because all
of the bank's name of bant ceo who you've met
who makes you laugh out loud multiple times in five minutes,

(33:05):
like none of them zero. He was really funny. He
was funny, he was self deprecating. I was bred pleasantly surprised.
So why don't they roll this guy? He's the guy
that we've interviewed the least of all the bank CEOs.
I think I've interviewed him once and all the time
he's been there, they should roll him out all the time. Brilliant. Anyway,
Anna Bremen, don't expect laughs here. This is now serious

(33:26):
stuff when we're talking to Anna. So we're gonna have
a very serious conversation with Anna about the official cash
rate going up. Stand By that's next thing.

Speaker 5 (33:36):
Of you, said my heart from the.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
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Speaker 2 (34:00):
Well New talks, Good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
The Reserve Bank has raised the official cash right by
twenty five basis points to two point five percent. It
is the first rise in more than three years, and
there is a warning it is not the first. There
is more to come. Reserve Bank Governor Anna Bremen is
with us now, Hi Anna, Hi, Hi Heather. So is
this basically down to the ongoing inflation caused by the
Iron War?

Speaker 5 (34:23):
This is due to high inflation over a long period
of time that is hurting households. So inflation eats up
purchasing power and getting inflation back down will actually make
sure that houses get the purchasing power back, they can
spend more, we get more demand and we will see
better growth and employment coming back.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
I know it was a unanimous decision, but was their debate?
Did anybody have to be convinced.

Speaker 5 (34:47):
There was a better debate and there should be debate,
but it was the unanimous decision.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Did anybody have to be convinced.

Speaker 5 (34:56):
I wouldn't say convinced, but I will say that we
were looking at different guments, and that is important because
we need to have diversity of thought on the Monetary Committee,
and we do have that.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
The argument that Jerick Kerr has made against rising the
OCR today was that there are significant numbers of people
who are still suffering with the cost of living and
this is just going to make it worse them. Did
you guys consider that.

Speaker 5 (35:18):
We considered all aspects and the thing is that high
inflation is what's hurting them, and our job is to
bring inflation back towards target while still considering not causing
any unnecessary volatility in output. That's how you know, our
kind of formal remit is written. And we see now

(35:39):
that growth is stronger, and we see it rebounding really
well now when oil prices and fuel prices are falling.
So we think that there was the appropriate balanced response
at this time to get inflation back and purchasing power
back by hiking the OCR twenty five business points. And
we're still supporting growth because it's still stimulatory. The OCR

(36:02):
is still at a relatively low level.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Is the economy growing faster than you actually expected?

Speaker 5 (36:09):
It actually seems to be so. And there's two things here,
because we've got data showing that prior to the conflict,
growth was actually a little bit stronger than we thought.
We got data both for the first quarter of this
year but also revised backwards, so we see that, you know,
we're actually a little bit of a higher level when
we went into the conflict, and then we saw growth
slowing down, and now we're seeing it resuming, and we've

(36:32):
got some good signals that it is picking up, especially
the exporting sector. And what's holding it back is things
are more related to households. But houses are suffering from
the high inflation. So we need to get that inflation
down so they get the purchasing power back, because then
we'll also expect better growth broader in the economy.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
I mean, is it fit to say that you're aiming
for neutral here, somewhere around three percent.

Speaker 5 (36:57):
Well, the thing is that we're saying that we think
that too twenty five was still stimulatory and that we're
gradually removing some of the but we coo stimulatory monetary
policy and moving towards neutral, then we are, and we
should be a little bit uncertain exactly what is neutral.
It's probably around three percent, it could be a little

(37:19):
bit lower, could be a little bit higher. And now
we're going to and that's what we said. You know,
if we do further withdrawal of stimulus, it will depend
on what the data looks like, and we will learn
more about what is neutral the more data we get
over the coming months or so.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
And I can I take it from what you said
today that you are concerned the AI bubble is going
to burst.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
I think we wanted to point out things in the
global economy that could both means that growth could actually
be better or worse than expected. And we see that some
countries are doing really well right now because there's so
much investment into AI, but also valuations in asset markets
are then really high. So we pointed out that this

(38:04):
is something that can support growth going forward. But if
we see any sort of correction in the asset prices,
that could also have knock on effects, maybe cause all
these investments to slow down a little bit to get
more financial conditions might be affected, growth might be affected.
So we wanted to say that it's actually both an
upside and downside risk. It could both cause higher growth

(38:26):
and weaker but it's something that is it's so much
in focus on the global arena that we think is
important to point out that that's something that we're also
looking for how it evolves over the coming months and stuff.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
As always really appreciate your time. That'sanna Bremen, the Reserve
Bank governor. It's twelve past five, okay. The Act has
announced a new policy to tackle repeat burglars. Their idea
is if you get done breaking in three times, it
means a minimum three years in prison. There will be
no parole, no home detention, no early release. Nicole McKey
is just a spokesperson for the X Party and with
us heinekol.

Speaker 16 (38:57):
Good evening hither.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
I'm surprised to see that the majority of burglars who
end up in prison are back in prison within two years.

Speaker 16 (39:03):
Will you I was as well. I was quite shocked
by it. Actually when you look at the sheer numbers.
So in twenty twenty five there were eighteen hundred, I
think eighteen hundred and seventy seven people convicted, nine hundred
and twenty five of them went to prison, and stats
are telling us that about fifty six percent of those
will reoffend within the next two years of getting out

(39:25):
of prison, and seventy three percent of them will end
up back in prison again for another burglary.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Is it always another burglary?

Speaker 17 (39:34):
This is just.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
Specifically for burglary.

Speaker 16 (39:37):
I mean, there will no doubt be other charges, But
we were looking at the burglary stats alone.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
So I had a question come through earlier, and it was,
why do you wait? Why are you proposing to wait
until the third strike to punish these people to the
full extent of the law. Why not do it the
first time and save two other people from being burgled.

Speaker 16 (39:56):
Yeah, that's a really good point. And when we look
at the shared number of time that some people have
been convicted, I mean some are nine, some are eighteen.
One guy actually has been convicted two hundred times. I
think that that's a fair question to ask. But also
in fairness, I think we need to give people the
opportunity to not continue to do the crime. So give
them a chance. So effectively, on the first strike and

(40:18):
the second strike, they will still be convicted by a judge,
but they'll get that warning from the court saying you're
on the first, then you're on the second. Everything after
this is a minimum three years with no parole. And
in fact, if you get up to say, two hundred convictions,
like one person has, the maximum sentence that a judge
could impose would be ten years, and we encourage them

(40:40):
to do that sort of stuff for those serious recidivists
to pick this.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
Guy get up to two hundred convictions.

Speaker 16 (40:46):
Indeed, my understanding this there are four hundred and fifty
nine convictions altogether, and just two hundred of them were to.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
Do with burglary.

Speaker 16 (40:53):
So you know, these are people's homes that are being
invaded by these people. And your home is your castle,
is your most protected things are your children, your family,
your heirlooms that have been passed down. So when we
read that if a person's been burgled, it's more than
likely that one in four chance they'll be burgled again.

(41:13):
We've said enough is enough, and we want to make
some changes here, make people accountable, put victims first, and
give the opportunity for New Zealanders to feel safe in
their own home.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Yeah, Nicole, thanks very much, appreciated Nicole McKee act just
as spokesperson. Oh my gosh, and here we go. With
frothing for Anna again. Heather. What a breath of fresh
air that lady is from the Reserve Bank, Heather, thank
god for that new RB governor. And it goes on.
I know we all love her. I've got a Uber's
doing cash. Ober is doing cash. Wait for it. I'm
going to give you the details shortly. Quarter pass right,

(41:46):
here's the Uber detail for you. So Uber's just announced
it's going to allow Australians to pay for their ride
with cash. keV Boo Mkeev, the producer just piped up
and said, I used to do this in Doha, so
apparently you can do this in the Middle East as well.
You can jump It works the same on the apparently,
so then they're rolling this out by the way, in
eight days in Australia. It works the same. You get
you know, you're tracking, you get your your recording, you

(42:07):
get the kind of the price indication before you jump in.
But when you pay you can give them a twenty. Now,
this is where it's going to get tricky though, because
if you're getting quoted nine dollars seventy two fair, which
is what you get quoted all the time. If you're
living in Auckland. Am I right, and you've only got
a twenty in your hand? How are they going to
give you? What is that?

Speaker 13 (42:24):
Like?

Speaker 3 (42:24):
Ten dollars twenty eight cents? Apparently if they don't have
the correct change, which you're not going to have, you
can do it digitally, so I'm assuming that there is.
Then you give them the twenty and they give you
digitally some sort of a ten dollars twenty eight whatever.
What they're why Uber's doing it is they're trying to
win the business of older Australians who are more likely
to use cash. I'm telling you this because I think

(42:45):
it's coming to New Zealand, because they've been doing a
trial in New Plymouth of exactly the same thing. So
standby for that. It's coming up nineteen past five.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Ever, du for see Allen.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Now, there are calls not to relax the rules around
berry imports. Apparently officials are looking to allow fresh berries
to be import Currently we only import frozen blueberries. The
concerns are quality of the stuff. Dan Peach is a
member of Blueberries New Zealand's Technical committee is with us
now high.

Speaker 18 (43:09):
Dan, Yeah, but Eveening, Heather, how are you?

Speaker 3 (43:12):
I'm very well thank you. Why can't I have the
fresh stuff?

Speaker 2 (43:16):
So you can.

Speaker 18 (43:18):
We're certainly supportive of trade. We're a trading nation and
so we certainly are in favor of that. What we're
not in favor of is the import health standard as
it stands in our mind, is that it is too
relaxed from a biosecurity perspective. It's the pest and disease

(43:41):
levels that have not been considered appropriately and they put
our entire horticulture industry at risk.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
Well, hold on, what are you saying that we're going
to import some fresh blueberries and there's going to have
something sitting on there that's going to get out into
your blueberry patch.

Speaker 18 (43:56):
That's the risk yep.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
So is that legit? I mean, are you fear among
or is that actually like, what is the chance that
that happens?

Speaker 18 (44:03):
Oh, one hundred percent, It happens. It happens now, it happens,
and it happens on fruit that we are sending offshore
as well. So so it's a it's it's not a
question of if it's going to happen, it's it's a
matter of when and how much is tolerable. And that's

(44:23):
that's where risk based assessments need to be looked at
on a case by case basis from the country that
it's coming from and the country it's going to. And
so yeah, there's there's protocols to go through. And in
our mind at the moment and not just our mind
that there are other horticultural industries and b SI, New

(44:48):
Zealand's foremost sort of institute for research, very much in
agreement with us that this just has been pushed through
a little bit too quickly and and not enough work
has been done to protect New Zealand's border against what

(45:09):
are very real risks.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
Dan, Thank you man, it's good to talk to you.
Thanks for letting us know about a damn Peach funny
name Peach who is with Blueberry's New Zealand. He is
the technical committee member. Let's talk about labour next five
to twenty one.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
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Speaker 3 (45:41):
Game Knowles is going to be with us on the
comm games and the netball and all the drama that's
going on. Shortly just after the news, it's five twenty four.
I need to talk to you about Labour's solar policy. Now.
Did I or did I not tell you that they
would be announcing a solar policy today. Yes, I did.
I don't think that you could find a better example
of the problem that Labour has that I keep trying
to draw your attention to. This policy is almost exactly

(46:02):
the same as Nationals. Both of them are about solar.
Both of them offer low interest loans to help homeowners
put solar on their roofs. Both of them use the
ratepayers Assistance scheme to be able to do that. Both
of them are now offering plug and solar for renters.
Labors announced it today as part of the policy. National
did it yesterday on Simon Brown's Facebook page. The only
real difference between these two policies is that Labor then

(46:25):
goes one step further and says, hey, how about we
give you some free money three thousand dollars subsidies for
people in low to middle income homes. Because, of course
Labor does, because that is the problem. I keep trying
to draw your attention to there is no problem in
this country that labor does not seem to believe can't
be fixed with free money if they do not need

(46:46):
to give out that money, as discussed on the show yesterday,
because the plug in solar box can be brought from myka.
If they don't need to give it out, why do
they keep on wanting to give it out. We could
just make that thing legal. It costs about three hundred
dollars according to my casey from rewiring OLSAT or You
probably don't need to help people pay for that. They
could probably do it themselves. Now, why I am so

(47:07):
worked up about labour spending habit is that it doesn't
actually fix any of our actual problems. It doesn't make
us any richer. If you go to an election campaign
and so I'm going to give you three thousand dollars
or five thousand dollars or three free GP visits or whatever,
it doesn't make us richer as a country. It doesn't
make us more productive, it doesn't make us more efficient.
It just hands out more money that we don't have,

(47:29):
which cannot be how we run every single election campaign
until we are completely broke as someone said to me
on the text. Today, only Labor could announce national solar
policy and yet somehow make.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
It cost more together do for ce Ellen.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Labour's admitted that Chippy made a mistake when he was
on with us earlier. This is the phrase they've used.
He's made a mistake. He said it by accident apparently,
So if you didn't catch Chippy, this is what happened.

Speaker 8 (47:55):
Right.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
We were discussing the part of the scheme, the three
thousand dollars in subsidies to low and income families, and
I said to him, or what's a low and income family,
because they haven't specified in the policy. So who's a lower,
lower income, middle income family. And he said, oh, it's Look,
it's the same people who get the insulation free through
the Warmer Keiwi Home Scheme, which already exists. And I
said to him, well, that's not a good idea, Chippy,

(48:15):
because according to the Warmer Kiwi Home Scheme, you can
basically get free insulation just because your neighborhood is poor.
You don't actually have to be poor yourself. Just as
long as you're in a deprived area, you could be
as rich as you like, and you can get the money,
and he said, no, you can't. No, this doesn't work
like that, not even under the warmer Kiwi Home Scheme.
You could be a millionaire living in manyarewa and you
get a subsidy.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
No, there'll be protections built into it to stop that
from happening, as there are with the warmer Keiwi Home Scheme.
If you're a millionaire, you can't access that, not.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
According to the Texters. So I've got loads of texts
from people going, actually I live there, and I've got
three houses in poor areas and I'm really rich, and
I managed to get it for free. And I got
this text high Heather. I'm an insulation contractor. I work
on this program. The only income or wealth check is
do you have a Community services card? Yes, you get
the money. If no, then it's based on how poor
the area is. So anyway, then we were going to
go to ECA because they run the scheme, and I

(49:07):
got poor Sam, the producer, to email ECA. But then
I keep getting more texts and I thought, bugger it,
Let's not waste each's time. Let's just go back to
Labor and say to Labor, listen, everybody in the country
reckons Chipy just made that up. What's the story? And
Labor said yeah, Unfortunately he said that by accident, because
there doesn't appear to be the case. No, And what's
interesting about it if you don't believe what I said

(49:28):
earlier when I said the crap just comes out of
Chippy's mouth sometimes, if you don't believe that, let me
add this to the situation. When he was last prime
minister in late twenty twenty three, they actually expanded the
eligibility so it was only eight, nine and ten on
the deprivation index that could get it. Then he expanded
it to seven. And he still doesn't know that you
could be a millionaire and magnettwa and get this. So anyway,

(49:51):
just leave that there with you. Dame Knowles is with
us next.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand had the power of satellite
mobile news talks.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
That'd be.

Speaker 10 (50:22):
Right.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
A little bit of a drama going on right now
about our interview at six o'clock. So we're supposed to
be talking to the owner of a large private jet company,
John Ambler, who owns jet and Z who has has
made it public that he's very concerned about what is
going on with the Civil Aviation Authority and if these
dudes don't sort themselves out here, reckons, we're going to
have a major air crash at some stage. So anyway,

(50:44):
book John in absolutely fine, no problem there whatsoever. Then
we got in touch with the Civil Aviation Authority and
we said do you want to do you want to
say anything about it? Do you want it you know,
just for balance? Do you want to tell us your
virsion of things? Then they said, well, this is this
is not ed. Chadam's got in touch with us and
said this is not their experience, So can you have
each Adams on as well? So now apparently we have
to have both of them. So we're gonna hear from
John who says we're gonna have a crash, and then

(51:05):
we're gonna hear from Dwayne who says we're not going
to have a crash. So that's happening at six o'clock standby,
and also the huddle is going to be with us
very shortly twenty three away from six.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Heather Dupe see Allen silver ferns.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Are in camp this week ahead of the Glasgow Commonwealth Games,
which is going to start in just over two weeks.
The first match will be against Scotland and it's going
to mark six hundred and thirty four days since coach
Dame Nole in Toto was last match in charge after
she was controversially stood down and she's with us now.
Dame Nole's hello, ah.

Speaker 19 (51:30):
Hey, Heather, six hundred and thirty four days.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
I hope I didn't count that.

Speaker 6 (51:36):
So it's a long time, isn't it.

Speaker 19 (51:39):
It's a long time. Yes, actually it is a long time.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
How are you feeling? Are you feeling charged?

Speaker 20 (51:47):
I am?

Speaker 19 (51:47):
Honestly, it's sometimes when you're being out of it for
that length of time and you get back in when
it's like riding the horse, but you get a bit
more finer and what you do, you have a bit
of a different eye. And honestly, I am amping. I
love it. I just I'm excited about everything that's currently happening.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
You look at the squad. Do you feel like you've
got a good squad there?

Speaker 17 (52:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (52:13):
I do, Well, we selected them, so you've got to
add that up. But in saying that, we ever had
the training partners in as well. Great thing is like
they're all unique in their own way, the fit as
their commitment. They want to really get out there and
represent New Zealand well and I don't know, there's just

(52:37):
a really good vibe out there, so I believe we
have selected.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
Well yeah, good? Are you still going for gold?

Speaker 5 (52:44):
Like?

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Is gold really within your grasp?

Speaker 19 (52:47):
Yeah? You know that's always a hard question. And why
I say that is, well, one, it's in my KPIs
That's one. But also I also feel if I said
we were going there not to win gold get crucified,
you know, that just doesn't seem right. But I feel
it we're capable of doing that. The thing is everybody

(53:09):
is capable of doing it and is a top five
countries now in international netball that can actually win gold.
But it all comes down to the day and also
the preparation planning. So I understand that. But we've got
to have that mindset that that's what we're going there for.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
Is a little bit of a redemption story for you
as well. Do you feel like you need to prove
yourself after all of that drama?

Speaker 17 (53:35):
Now?

Speaker 19 (53:35):
I like I've where I feel is I can't go backwards.
You know, and it is history. It is part of
what happened, whether it's a positive or negative for people,
whatever the story is or the narrative. But I can't
get myself caught up in that. I've just got to
make sure that every day I bring the best energy

(53:57):
I can. I'm well prepared in my self, and I'm
really focused on what the end is, which is that
gold in that podium. So I just got to keep
moving on and really that was my focus when I
got back in.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
So how did you clear out all of the stuff
that happened with the squad? Did you have to sit
down and talk to each one of them and try
to figure this out?

Speaker 19 (54:19):
Yeah, So we had a consultant that came in, which
was Chelsea Lane, to help sort things through. And you
know that takes time in itself. Some of that was
my involvement, some of it was other people's involvement, and
you know, personnel have changed within our organization as well.
So I can't really tell you exactly the detail around it,

(54:44):
only because there was a lot and as I say,
my my I suppose my thinking was to be really
focused and what do we need to do for Commonwealth Games?
Stabilize the program and then start selection and looking what
that planning was. So I kept to my knitting.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
Yeap, fair enough, which means if you're sticking to your knitting,
then are you even thinking about what's going on with
the A and Z Premiership next year?

Speaker 19 (55:08):
Well, that is something I suppose with our athletes that
they are experiencing, and also the coaches as well. I'm
heavily involved with the system and the A and Z coaches.
So you know, one of the things is, well, we
know that everybody's working behind the scenes, and we know
also that we need to be supportive because people have

(55:29):
to sort out what their lives looks like. So but
on top of that, we've got to remain just really
focused on the Commonwealth Games and just give people space
when they need to take it.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Now, Mas wants to know on the text machine whether
you asked Ai what I was going to ask you
like you did with Mike the other day.

Speaker 19 (55:48):
I actually they have started a trend where our media
person looked at Ai and asked that question. So you're, yeah,
you're you're on point at the moment with some of
the questions.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Yeah, okay, Well, I'm pleased to know AI knows me, well,
well done you, Dame Nolles. I mean you're lifting the
country's collective. I don't know productivity by using the AI,
so hammering the AI for us?

Speaker 19 (56:14):
I love it. It's just got it that way.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
What what's your favorite AAR?

Speaker 19 (56:23):
I only know one, which is check what's it? GPT?

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Or what this is?

Speaker 19 (56:27):
How durable I am? I only know one. I didn't
know there was more than one. Oh, I know it
does I don't. I know it tuns find sometimes. So
you're going to cut to the chase with it, I've
been told. So it's all in the question.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Wait till you discover Microsoft co Pilot, you're just going
to be fizzing. Hey, thanks very much and good luck
at the at the Calm Games. It's Dave Noline Toto
of the Silver Ferns coach eighteen away from six the huddle.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
With New Zealand southebast International Realty, a name you can
trust locally and globally.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
By the way, can I just say go Gemini, go
to Google. I reckon the Google one is better than
Chat GBT. For a bit there, Chat GBT was better,
but now it's shite and now the Google the stock
standard Google one, go to AI mode. It's it's actually
a banger. Surprisingly full o Riley, I own you. Partner's
former Business New Zealand chief executive, Katie Bradford New Zealand
here old senior correspondent with us. Hello you too, you don't,

(57:17):
I'm good? Thank you?

Speaker 5 (57:18):
Phil.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Which one do you use?

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (57:21):
My staff use it Google? They Google one. Yeah, it's
great for restaurants. You mean you don't go through a restaurant.
That's fantastic. See what's a good restaurant? What's a good bar?

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Yeah, you don't need to worry.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
About that, Phil, because you've got the Michelin stars. Just
keep going to Otaga.

Speaker 19 (57:35):
That's what I do.

Speaker 21 (57:36):
I do that.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
That's great.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
So I do use.

Speaker 11 (57:39):
My staff use much more complicated ones than that. But
I don't know what they're called.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
I just pay Katie, I don't know if you want
to get involved in this. Do you have a favorite.

Speaker 17 (57:45):
No, I'm an old school journal heither I like to
make sure my facts are correct right at worries me.
The idea of using it and lying on top.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Do you still write in shorthand?

Speaker 17 (57:54):
I mean someone so I do still use shorthand? Yeah,
despite all my years and radio and tea they still
use a little bit of shorthad. No one can read that,
including myself.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
But you know, I think, actually, we'll get your type writer.
It will get your typewriter clean for you. K I'm
not Barry Notary, not mad now, Phil Wood? Do you reckon?
Do you reckon? The OCI had to go up today.

Speaker 11 (58:14):
I think that well, it was a really a judgment, Corter.
You could see half the economics were saying yes, half no.
When I was, when I was at business US healing
common Now I think things a bit more specifically. Over
the years, we said that the better idea was to
do a bit early rather than wait and then have
to do a lot later. And I think that's what
they've done. They've they've looked at the what's going on
the economy when we're out of hopefully we're out of
the problems of hormos. Now the economy looks like it

(58:37):
might be getting back on its feet, and so what
they want to do is get ahead of coming to
lift it by you zero point seventy five or point
five later on. The Other hopeful thing about this is
clearly they're seeing an economy that's starting to grow because
if they were seeing an economy that's in trouble, they
wouldn't be doing it. So I get some heart out
of that. Business won't like it, but I think it's
it's better to take a little bit of pain now

(58:57):
rather than a lot of pain letter. So I'm on balance.
I think they probably I.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
Feel Katie as if it was well signaled, we were
all expecting it. It didn't come as a surprise, and
that I think there is some value in that, don't
you think?

Speaker 16 (59:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (59:10):
I think so, And don't forget this is the first
hike I think in three years. It's a long time
since we've seen one. And if you listen to some
of the language used today, they're talking about getting the
ocr back to neutral, right, getting it back to midpoint.
That indicates that they're taking this as a hinting at
what's happening next. I agree with what Phil said that
it was about getting in the early. There's been a

(59:34):
lot of criticism with we saw over the past few
years for not cutting fast enough, and they're not hiking
fast enough. Right, They're going to be aware of all
of that and saying, let's just so they're slowly. Now,
see what happens over the next couple of months. See
if oil prices say stay low and if we are
now through the worst of it, right, and they'll have
a good idea in six weeks time.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
How that's looking yeah too?

Speaker 19 (59:55):
Right?

Speaker 3 (59:55):
All right, we'll take a break of you guys come
back and talk about the policies that have been announced today.
Called it too the Huddle.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
With New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the only truly global brand.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
You're back of the Huttle, Katie Bradford Fellow Riley, Katie,
what do you make of Labour's solar policy versus National
solar policy?

Speaker 17 (01:00:11):
I went out to it today and you know this
whole idea that you're copying one policy or another in
national God in first we see this with every election campaign, right.
I think what's good about this that both parties have
released these solar policies and it's clearly being seen as
the way forward. That's the positive in it. Whoever came
up with at first doesn't really matter. I'm sure we're

(01:00:34):
going to see the reverse.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Happy in that the difference is the difference between the
two policies I think is good, quite illustrative isn't it.

Speaker 17 (01:00:43):
Well, I've been interested in I discovered you talked about
this last night, the fact that they that these battery
power are solar units, they're not actually legal in New Zealand.
So this idea that you're going to have something that's
going to help renters get solar power great until we
discover that New Zealand's regulations mean they're illegal and we
can get them in. I got some more information from
the Minister's office about that today and it sounds like

(01:01:04):
it's going to be at least a year until they
will actually be able to have those come into the country,
so a while after before we see those policies. Labor
clearly trying to target it at lower and middle income
people and that renters as well, which is a key
difference there.

Speaker 11 (01:01:20):
What do you think, Bil, Yeah, that's right. I mean
the NATS put it out early. Yep, they've probably got
a bit of sniff of the wind that Labor might
say something, and it is sensible because it's not something
you'd necessarily traditionally think that that's what do might make
a make sort of subsidies for solar So, you know,
good good on them for the politics. But Katie said through, Well,
what you're seeing here is Labor pointing more at the
renters and those sorts of people. NAT's pointing more at

(01:01:43):
the homeowner as well. Who knew that they would those
two political parties would do that. Of course they will.
One thing though, that my staff pointed out to me
is another one of the dreaded fiscal holes, potentially because
Labour's saying they're going to fund it from the government's
turn of million dollar gas security fund. But the government
course is saying, well, that's all fully allocated and it's
not repeating. It's just a one off fund. So if
the government does allocated that money by the election time,

(01:02:06):
and they so they will, well lady's going to have
to find another two hundred million dollars. So there's not
a famous fiscal whole, no doubt that we'll be debating
for the next few months whether that's real or not.

Speaker 17 (01:02:15):
And they might have to cut that off their list
in as well, and if they can find some magic
cups of money from somewhere else, one hundred and sixty
million dollars down there again. And I was asking today
what happens. I think that policy is really popular when
that blows your costings out as well. Right, if solar
panels go out. I interviewed someone from ains in China
the other day about how popular solar panels are and

(01:02:36):
China's exporting huge numbers of them. We're at the bottom,
you know, we're going to be at the bottom of
the queue in terms of getting those. That's going to
push up prices. Demand goes high, they may become far
too expensive for people as well.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
Yeah, fair point. Hey and Phil, what do you make
of the three strikes for burglars three years minimum?

Speaker 11 (01:02:52):
I just disagree with it. This this sort of three
strike stuff. It's a bit like I'll elytropass that regulation
if you was a regulation one and one regulation. It
sounds simple, it sounds kind of attractive, and it just
doesn't work. It's wrong. So I just don't buy it.
I think you sure have more penalties for burglary, have
higher penalitis for burglary. Sure work with the young people.

(01:03:13):
Maybe the people are committing these burglaries to try and
make sure they don't happen. But that kind of retail politics,
are there three strikes? I just don't buy it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
Whifer a one strike because I'm on board with that,
I reckon one strike and you're in the slang.

Speaker 11 (01:03:25):
I could see, I could see a little more harsh
treatment of burglaries because some it's just out of hand,
you know, when you're seeing you know, the shoplifting and
some of the stuff going on, particularly where there's threats
of violence associated with or there was actual violence associated
where it absolutely it's treated as a victim's crime. A
but at the moment because the police they well, you know,
it'll be get there insured.

Speaker 5 (01:03:44):
Well, actually you're not.

Speaker 11 (01:03:46):
It's much more harmful than that. So sure, tougher penalties.
But the three strike stuff is retail publics, I just
don't buy it.

Speaker 17 (01:03:53):
Also, a lot of them don't get investigated. I'm not
a big fan of three strikes either, but as a
victim of a burglary, someone broke into my house, stole
a lot of stuff, a lotase, don't even investigate it.
Nothing even happened. So you can have three strikes all
you like, But if the police an' ever, they come
and took fingerprints and that was it. And so if
it's not actually investigated, you you can't put someone in

(01:04:14):
jail for it, can you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
Yeah, it's a fair point. It's not taken seriously, which
is kind of what Phil was saying. Guys, thank you
very much. Have a lovely evening between the two of you.
That's Fillow Riley and Katie Bradford. A huddle this evening.
Eight away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
It's the Heather Tooper see Alan Drive Full Show podcast
on iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk ZB Heather.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
If the judges were not limp wristed pushovers, we wouldn't
need to talk about three strikes policy. Agree with you?
That is the problem there? Hey, how cool has this?
This news has just come through. A Kiwi woman has
just been judged the UK Famili Year of the Year
at an intense multi day live competition in London. Emma
Denny thirty three from the north shore of Auckland. Her
current job is the head of Wine at London's exclusive

(01:04:52):
Clarridge's Hotel. She started at Dieta's Wine Barren Ponds and
B A who hasn't been Todeta's Wine Barren Ponds and
B did you speak?

Speaker 22 (01:05:00):
QR?

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
Hands up? Who's been there? Then she did? Abisu carry
on went to London. Now she's the best in the business.
Go her parents must be stoked. Well done, Well done,
mister and missus Denny five away from six. Now, I've
been meaning to tell you about this because I actually
spoke to Chippy about this is coming up two hours
since I spoke to Chippy about this. I got myself.
I've got my little hands. Here a letter that Damian

(01:05:21):
O'Connor from the Labour Party's written to Simon Watt's from
the National Party, the Minister of Local Government about what's
about to happen at the White Tucky District Council. Now,
if you followed what's going on in why Tucky, Why
Tucky is about to that they're holding a vote tomorrow
and they are going to jack up those rates like
something bad. They proposed to remember they proposed forty five
percent and everybody went, you're joking. Think again, that's ridiculous,

(01:05:43):
not going to happen. They've landed on seventeen percent, which
is in any case just a criminal. He's written this
as Damien has written to Simon saying, I write to
you with serious concerns in regard to the intended rate
rise of seventeen percent about to be struck by White
Tucky District Council. He says, there appears to be con
if using justifications for such a huge rise. I cannot
see that this is a council that is facing any

(01:06:04):
financial crisis, nor does it have any debt issues of
any unmanageable magnitude. Conversely, the Council seems to be making
consistently high overall surpluses over the last decade or more. Therefore,
I agree with a number of parties that have in
regard to just the current financial state, the Council could
in fact proceed with the rate rise of seven percent.
He has asked Simon Watts, the Minister, to intervene here.

(01:06:27):
Now I've gone to the council. I've said what do
you make of this? They say, no, we make different
We run deficits, we don't run surpluses, and if we
go with seven percent, we're going to be very close
to our debt headroom. I'd say, well, run it close, mate,
run it close. Let's see how you go, because seven
If you can do it on seven percent, try it
on seven percent. I went to the Minister to see
if they're going to intervene. He says he doesn't have

(01:06:47):
the power to do it. By the way I feel
obliged to tell you Damien did not give me that letter.
Damien was surprised when I called Damien today to ask
him about the letter. He was kind of surprised that
I got my hands on it wasn't This is not
grand standing for Damien. So anyway, we'll see where this goes.
But definitely we're going to be watching this tomorrow and
I imagine talking about it. Seventeen percent of White tucky
And okay, let's talk next about Civil Aviation Authority on

(01:07:09):
whether they're about to cause a crash in the air.
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Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
Evening coming up in the next hour. You'll have seen
already the debate about the restraint of trade clauses in
the employment contracts. Genative Tranny will talk us through that.
After half past Milford Asset Management will give us the
market reaction to the OC are going up today. And
Gavin Gray on Prince Harry court case loss big one
for him seven past six. Now, the owner of a
large private jet company has warned the government that a

(01:08:02):
major plane crash could happen if the issues at the
Civil Aviation Authority are not sorted out. Two years ago,
whistleblower is within the CAAA told The Herald that the
organization had a toxic culture, the director was asleep at
the wheel, and changes being made at the time could
lead to accidents. Now, New Zealand Jet co owner John
Ambler wrote to the Associate Transport Minister James Meagher with
similar concerns at the end of last month. He's with

(01:08:23):
us now, Hi John, Hi, how are you helly? Very well?
Thank you? So what do you reckon is going to
cause the crash?

Speaker 21 (01:08:29):
I think, just to put the context into into reality,
I never stated that I believe there's an accident about
to happen. I said to Minister Mega that industries screaming
out for you to basically wake up. What is it
going to take before you listen to people that like

(01:08:50):
myself a voice saying we need to have an independent
review to see what's going on. So the headlines are
inaccurate to what I've actually said.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
So let me read this your so for The Herald,
says the boss of a multimillion dollar private jet company
has told the government he believes a major fatal airline
crash could occurve it doesn't act. That's not accurate.

Speaker 21 (01:09:10):
That's not accurate. No, what I've said to Minnestermiga is
that what is it going to take for you to
listen to industry. Is it going to be an excellent Okay,
because sorry, coy.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
If it's not a fatal crash that you think is
the worst case scenario, what do you think is the
worst case scenario?

Speaker 21 (01:09:30):
Well, ultimately, in all aviation related issues, in the Swiss
cheese model, every whole lines up, and we're doing that
with an incident. In the worst case scenario is a crash.
But that's not what I'm pointing out. That the issues
that are within Civil Aviation, as you've said, is the
cultural issues are still very much toxic. We are losing

(01:09:55):
experienced people within the Civil Aviation Department at a great
rate that it's alarming. And obviously if these people that
are within the unit aren't able to speak up for
fear of reparation, you know, what sort of system have
we already got?

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
Why are we losing people?

Speaker 21 (01:10:16):
That's a good question for I guess the Chair of
Civil aviation and the director himself.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
Do you have a theory as to it?

Speaker 21 (01:10:28):
Yes, because the cultures, as I said, is toxic and
people with people with aviation experience aren't been listened to that.

Speaker 10 (01:10:38):
You know that.

Speaker 21 (01:10:39):
I believe the change in direction that has happened since
two thousand and four. There are a lot of positives.
There's a lot of good things happening, but the lack
of actual representation within the Civil Aviation Department from experienced
people is concerning.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
Okay. So if there's one thing that you want them
to change, like, if they're not listening, what is the
thing that you want them to change?

Speaker 21 (01:11:04):
I believe that that really what needs to happen which
hasn't happened, is an independent review and allowing people within
the department to be able to be speaking up and
talking about what they believe should be done. Whom sure
that is? You know, the word writing comes to mind.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
Okay, John, thank you very much for your time. Appreciators.
John Ambler, jet n Z co owner. Listening to that
was Dwayne Emoni, who is the CEO of Air Chathams. Hello, Dwayne,
welcome back, Are you there?

Speaker 21 (01:11:39):
Are you ye?

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
Good? Thanks? Mate? Do you agree with John, it's not
it's not our current experience, Heather.

Speaker 24 (01:11:47):
What I would say is, you know, we've had a bit.
We know, we've been around forty years. We've had a
rollercoaster with the regulator. There's been some good times and
some bad times. I would say three years ago it
wasn't much fun and we felt that then needed to
be changed. And I think the good thing is that
the minister agreed. It was Simeon Brown who had the
transport portfolio back then, and he.

Speaker 21 (01:12:08):
Acted quite quite fast.

Speaker 24 (01:12:10):
He'd got quite a few new board members in the
whole leadership team in the CIA has changed, and actually
we can sit here today and say quite confidently that
we are seeing some of the good and positive outcomes
of those changes. And I think that the important thing
too is the CIA know that everything's not perfect, there's

(01:12:32):
still work to do, but they want to work with
industry on that. So you know, I was listening to
what John was saying, and you know, I feel for
him because, like I say, it can be a bit
of a rollercoaster with the regulator at times, and we're
not always going to agree. But I do think that
the pathways for participants and airlines into the regulator to

(01:12:54):
voice their concerns a lot stronger than it has been.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
So you would be listened to. Yes, absolutely, yeah, all
right Doane. Thanks very much, mate, really appreciated. Duane many
Ere Chatham CEO. Here you go draw your own conclusion
from that. This is a weird thing. The PPTA has
today voted to boycott the Teaching Council, so they're protesting
a law change. They say Eric Stanford recently passed a
law that removes all the elected members from the Teaching Council,

(01:13:18):
which is true. And then all members of the Teaching
Council will now be appointed by the Ministry of Education,
which is true, which I personally don't have a problem
with because if you've been following what the Teaching Council
has been up to, it's just silly buggers, like they've
got completely distracted and doing weird things instead of actually
just looking at the discipline of teachers. So it feels
to me like, maybe, I don't know, appointing competent people

(01:13:38):
may not be a bad idea, but this is not
the ppta's opinion, not at all. PBT is not happy
about this at all. They have now voted that any
PPTA member offered a ministerial appointment, must decline the appointment.
Now when I told you that, did the word scabs
come to mind immediately? Are we back to the good

(01:14:00):
old days of union scabs? Because I almost want now
Eric A. Stanford to appoint somebody from the PPTA just
to see what happens, and then I want that person
to accept the role, and then I want to see
what the PPTA does, just for a bit of drama,
because why nothing like union drama. I love a bit
of union drama. Here the numbers for you, n ZITTEX

(01:14:20):
fifty down almost one percent today, A six fifty down
about half a percent so far. Today barrel of Brent
crude is costing seventy seven US dollars, so you'll know
that's up about three and a third percent today. One
New Zealand dollar is worth fifty seven US cns eighty two.
Ozzie sends fifty eurosents, forty three UK pens and ninety
three en. And we're going to talk to Milfit Asset
Management next about the market reaction to the ocr fourteen

(01:14:42):
past six. Hey, really quickly, just on that US strike
on Iran that's been going on apparently, according to a
US military official, this could go on for hours. Last
I saw, it's still going on. They're targeting Iranian air
defense systems, coastal surveillance systems, ground to air missiles, launched
sites for anti ship, anti ship cruise missiles and drones,
and also Iranian facilities. So this is in retaliation if
you haven't caught up on it for irun firing on

(01:15:04):
the three commercial vessels in the straitup Hum was so
that that looks like a fair bit of work that
for them there six seventeen with US Now as Remy
Weisenberg of Milford Asset Management, Hi, Remy, Hi, have that
all right? What was the market expecting going into the
OCR announcement today?

Speaker 8 (01:15:19):
Yes, today was actually a bit of a tricky one,
and we actually saw market participants were quite divided on
the outcome because there were pretty good arguments for either way,
a hike or a hold. But what we did see
was that a hike was more than seventy percent priced
by the market going into the announcement, two hikes fully
priced in by the end of the year, and nearly
four hikes price within the next twelve months, So it

(01:15:42):
wasn't really a question by the market whether the Reserve
Bank would eventually raise the OCR. It was more a
question of when, how quickly, and how many hikes. And
that's why today's messaging around future OCR decisions was really important,
because anything that's too out of sync with what the
market is expecting that can actually call sharp corrections in
market pricing for interest rates.

Speaker 3 (01:16:03):
And how did the market then react after the announcement?

Speaker 8 (01:16:07):
Yes, so, I guess because, like I said before, seventy
over seventy percent already priced in for a hike, so
it wasn't too unexpected. However, the messaging was clear that
there will be more interest rate increases, the caveat being
the timing is uncertain, so I think overall, broadly all
in line with what the market was already thinking. We

(01:16:27):
did see some minor reaction in shortened interest rates, so
they rose marginally post the announcement. We saw a bit
of strengthening in the New Zealand dollar against key currencies,
but overall no drastic moves because there wasn't really anything
to drive the market to materially deviate from what it
was already pricing.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
All right, now, listen what happened with the ins and
X sorry with the SpaceX.

Speaker 8 (01:16:49):
So BaseX that has joined the Nasdaq one hundred index
from yesterday now. Their shares were down six point eight
percent overnight, and the Nasdaq one hundred itself was also
down one point five percent overnight, so it's a very
tech heavy index. It includes many names that have links
to AI, including SpaceX. We also saw some big pullbacks

(01:17:12):
in some names in the semiconductor and chip maker space.
Those stocks in particular, they've been performing pretty well year
to date, so I think some of that move might
have been explained by just that natural rotation into other
stocks as investors they take profit and they redeploy. But
at the same time, there has also been some headline
noise around AI, so there's been questions around expectations if

(01:17:34):
they're too high. There's also been some questions around the
shift from token maxing to token minimizing and a few
other headlines, and I think that's caused some general AI jetters,
which has seen some of these stocks come off a bit.
But we are coming into earning season, so if we
start to see some positive updates from these companies come
out of that, that could help to ease some of

(01:17:54):
these AI fears interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
Remy, thanks very much, appreciate it. Remy Wisenberg, Millford Act Management. Hey,
now if you go to Corrimandel over summer, you will
know that there used to be two pinch points on
the way through, right. So this is especially if you're
heading up sort of like fits a Younger. You're going
up the east coast of the Peninsul Light, you're heading
up to fits a Younger, you're heading up to Kurzunu whatever,

(01:18:17):
are going up further further further. You know there used
to be two pinch points right. One was the copy Bridge,
which we're fixed now, John Key fix that, and the
second one still remains, the ty Ruer Bridge, the dreaded
ty Ruer Bridge where all you think you're just at
You think I'm just nipping over to Tyrus, no big problem,
no neck minna. You're stuck for an hour waiting for

(01:18:37):
because it's one lane, and so the people are coming
this way and you're waiting, and then and then they
put the traffic lights up and they try to help
the situation, but boy does that slow things down. I've
got fantastic news for you. They are about to start
the work to replace the ty ruer bridge that goes
over Peppy Stream, and they're going to be putting in
a two lane concrete bridge instead. And I don't know
that I have been more excited about a single piece

(01:19:00):
of infrastructure since probably the other bit of infrastructure that
was on State Highway twenty five. Remember when it washed
out and then and then they built like a lightning
record speed. They nicked a bridge from somewhere. Did they
knick the bridge from Gisbon or something? And they got
the bridge and they stuck it there and well fixed that.
Now it's awesome. Every time I drive over, I go
to the kids, this is a new bridge, How cool
is that? And they go, gee's boring? Mum, yeah, but

(01:19:21):
I'm like that now I'm excited about bridges. Well they wait,
those kids need to wait until that bridge that two
lane bridges over Pepes Stream. Every time I'm going over
and we'll be like, look at this new bridge. Look
at that. The traffic's going both ways at exactly the
same time. How good is that. Apparently it's going to
start working on it now. It's going to take them
until December next year apparently to build it, which I say,
bs two, it's not that hard to build a two

(01:19:44):
lane bridge, and I bet you they can get it
done quicker than that, because already the mayor has said,
how about you do it December this year, which suggests
I've my suspicions that that is like a way out
there deadline so that when they do it before that
they can crow about how awesome they are. I don't
care whatever. Do whatever you need to do to make
yourself feel awesome. I'm going to feel great when that
bridge is there. How good is that? The entire Coromandal cheers,

(01:20:06):
the traffic will flow.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
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Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
But heither they still have the single lane bridge the
other end of Tyro on the way to fit the
younger Steve. You make a great point, and it's not
far away enough as it because if that becomes the
new pinch point and that that tale will go right over,
well it will go right over the new two lane
bridge and it is stuck on the other side anyway,
or how annoyang? Oh, now we need a third piece
of infrastructure. Hey, by the way, on that China missile

(01:20:51):
test the other day, apparently we need to get used
to this happening. The TWZ Defense Newsletter, which is one
of the newsletters everybody reads if they're into defense, says this.
It's worth noting here that as China expands its nuclear
ballistic missile submarine fleets, the PLA in which is the
People's Liberation Army Navy, will also need to train more
regularly to include submarine launch ballistic missiles launches. This is

(01:21:12):
also necessary to ensure command and control networks function is intended.
Just getting orders to nuclear ballistic missile submarines on patrol
presents unique challenges. Blah blah blah. As China continues to
modernize and grow its nuclear and submarine capabilities, SLBM launches
for the submarine launches into the Pacific may actually become
a more routine occurrence. And Winston cannot blow a foo

(01:21:35):
foo valve every time it happens. So this is what
they said. China's trying to normalize it. Well, it is
going to normalize very quickly. By the sounds of things,
six twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
Six, there's no business like show business.

Speaker 3 (01:21:51):
Em nominations are out tonight. The host for this year's
ceremony is a little bit of an odd choice. They've
chosen Mariska Hargatate for you probably know as Detective Olivia
Benson on Law and Order.

Speaker 5 (01:22:02):
S for you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
She's an interesting choice for a couple of reasons. Was
that a dundune?

Speaker 10 (01:22:09):
Dun?

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
Dunn?

Speaker 3 (01:22:09):
What's a dundun?

Speaker 9 (01:22:11):
Have you never watched Law and Order?

Speaker 12 (01:22:12):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
What's that?

Speaker 9 (01:22:14):
Every transition between a scene you hear?

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
Nah, I never watched it.

Speaker 9 (01:22:20):
P iconic that sound ef.

Speaker 3 (01:22:22):
Thank you for explaining that to me. And anyway, So
she's an interesting choice for a couple of reasons. The
first is she's not a comedian. She's played a copper
one of the most serious TV dramas for the past
twenty seven years. The other reason is that she's a woman,
and this is surprising, the first woman chosen to host
the Emmys in fifteen years. Now NBC is broadcasting the ceremony.
They said she was picked because of just how big

(01:22:42):
a show SPU is still for them. They're into their
twenty eighth season. This year, they're going to air their
six hundred episode shortly. Not only is Hargata the lead actor,
she's also an executive producer and she's now directing episodes.
It's been a big year for her as well. By
the way, She's just finished her Broadway debut in a
one woman play. Also just released a document based on
the life of her mother, Jane Mansfield, who knew that

(01:23:03):
doco is also up for an Emmy nomination this year.
By the way, but if Hargate comes home empty handed
on the night, don't feel bad. She's already got herself
to Emmy's at home. The nominations are live streaming at
Emmy's dot com at three am New Zealand time. Do
you think we could just can we make this part
of our show now?

Speaker 9 (01:23:23):
I would love it if that was the transition we
use between every segment.

Speaker 3 (01:23:27):
Okay, we'll see how we can make this work. Jane
tips Trainey is with us next on the restraint clauses, whether.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
It's macro, micro or just plain economics. It's all on
The Business Hour with Heather Dupicla and Mas Insurance and Investments.
Your futures in good hands Us talks Evy.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
Job.

Speaker 3 (01:23:56):
This is Mariska Hoots documentary. My mum, Jane is brilliant.
I recommend you watch it. It's on Prime. Thank you. Hither,
I reckon, we're approximately the same age. What were you
watching in the late nineties early two thousands. I'm assuming
that you were watching the s for you, I wasn't
watching that, And actually you made me think about that
after you asked me that text, and I thought, okay, well,
what was I watching when I was so because that

(01:24:18):
would be my like sort of you know, my serious
years of high school. I don't think I was like,
honest to god, I don't think I was watching anything
on Talley when I think back to it. Because my
mum is one of those psycho no screen people. She's
she was, she wouldn't live like. I didn't watch any
of the stuff that the other kids were watching. They
were watching things like SpongeBob, SquarePants, Transformers before school. I

(01:24:42):
watched none of that stuff. I haven't watched in my life,
as like one single episode of Friends because I missed
all of it. The Simpsons, big big no no. Because
Bart was disrespectful to his father. Bart was disrespectful to
his father, So it was a big no no for
my family. My mom was a so I go on
the screens, I'm missed out.

Speaker 9 (01:25:02):
But his father's always trying to strangle him.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
So yeah, I mean that's totally fair now that I
know the context, which, thank you, I wouldn't have known
because I haven't watched The Simpsons. Once again, not a
single episode of the Simpsons. There is this gigantic, full
like period of pop culture I've completely missed out on.
So that that'll answer your question, including the Dunn noise anyway,
twenty three away from seven now concern. I don't know

(01:25:25):
if we want that. It does encourag's too creepy for
this show. Anyone will see how we go with it.
Concern has been raised about restraint of trade clauses in
New Zealand employment contracts. The OECD has taken a look
at it, reckons the restrictive agreements mean people are not
moving between jobs as seamlessly as they could do and
should do in a productive economy. The Herald's Wellington business
editor Genatibstran, he's been looking into this for US hygiene

(01:25:47):
Hiver sounds like we're using it at kind of twice
the rate of everybody else.

Speaker 22 (01:25:51):
Is that about right, not twice the rate, but sort
of on par with some other countries.

Speaker 3 (01:25:59):
And the OE.

Speaker 22 (01:26:01):
The OCD is on this really interesting study and it's
the first study I've seen of the sort that involves
New Zealand, and basically they look at all the different
types of clauses in employment contracts, like non disclosure clauses
or restraints of trade, or clauses that say, you know,
if you leave, you can't take colleagues with you, or

(01:26:21):
you can't take clients with you, or if you leave,
you have to repay the company if it's paid for
your training, we have to repay bonuses. And I mean effectively,
it's saying that over time, companies are including a lot
more of these clauses in contracts, and if that's the case,
it's harder for you to move jobs. And if there's

(01:26:43):
less mobility, then that really impedes wage growth and also productivity.
And I think that's a fair fair argument, because you know,
the thing that creates productivity is if resources are allocated
to where they can be used most efficiently. But if
you're stuck in a job because of some of these clauses,
then that really does impede productivity and efficiency. That's the

(01:27:05):
aiglement at least.

Speaker 3 (01:27:06):
I heard Jennifer Mills on with Mike Costking this morning,
obviously one of our most high profile employment lawyers, and
the point that she made, I think is that it
is okay for very senior staff to be on these
kinds of contracts, and I don't think any of us
would disagree with that. The problem is that we're putting
junior staff on these contracts now, and I know junior
staff who want it, And that's silly, isn't it.

Speaker 22 (01:27:27):
Totally? And that's the point that the OECD raises. It
says that yes, it's sure sure thing. You know, you
don't want to have your top staff who have you know,
trade secrets, moving and sharing your company's secrets with competitors
or people in the know. But us saying that these
clauses are increasingly being used for low level employees or
companies are just having sort of blanket clauses regardless of

(01:27:51):
what your role is in the company.

Speaker 3 (01:27:53):
And you have to negotiate it out yourself.

Speaker 22 (01:27:57):
Exactly, and you know, if you are more junior stuff,
but then that's tough to go in there. You're just
grateful to have a job. Another thing that they pointed
out was that they think there could be some sort
of collusion happening between companies where they companies in the
same sector get together and they sort of wage fix well,
they agree with each other that they won't poach staff

(01:28:20):
off each other, and you know, because if you're poaching staff,
then that's how wages go up. So of course you
know that's that's not okay. So it's pretty hard to prove,
but they've said that about fifty three percent of firms
surveyed in New Zealand reported knowledge of this type of
thing happening, of non poaching or wage fixing occurring in

(01:28:44):
the industries. So another bad sign.

Speaker 3 (01:28:47):
Now, doesn't Helen White have a bill to fix all
of this?

Speaker 22 (01:28:53):
I have heard she does, but I'm not I'm not
across it. I'm not across it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:59):
There is a bill, Isn't that because making the supper?

Speaker 10 (01:29:01):
Mind?

Speaker 3 (01:29:01):
Did I have a dream about Helen White having a
bell about restrained restraint of trade clauses?

Speaker 22 (01:29:06):
I don't know if that's something we should get into either.
I'm not too sure. Yeah, yeah, but I will say
that that the OECD does say it's looked at different
like regulatory frameworks around these clauses in different countries, and
it says that the regulatory framework around New Zealand in
this area is the most employer friendly of all the

(01:29:30):
countries that's looked at. Yeah, so so that that does
suggest if you, if you do find yourself in a
sticky situation in this regard, you know you might face
face an uphill battle if you are an employee.

Speaker 3 (01:29:43):
All right, thank you very much, Jane. I really really
enjoyed our chat tonight Gnative Training. The Herald's Wellington Business
edits I furiously googled, so I was like, surely, to God,
I don't want to leave you with the impression I've
been having weird dreams about Helen White and pieces of legislation,
though she does. In fact, I wasn't making it up up.
The employment relations were strained to Trade Amendment Bill proposed
by Labour MP Helen White, whof eighteen away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
Here the dup self.

Speaker 3 (01:30:08):
You listen to the show regularly, you'll know that I'm
becoming more and more convinced that the only way to
deal with dogs, bad dogs that attack people is to
put them down immediately. And not even discuss it, like
you if that dog has put its mouth around somebody
and bitten down, gone the end. No, no, no debate.
Now I've got a case, I think, another case of

(01:30:29):
this that I think kind of proves my point. So
in September twenty twenty four, two dogs attacked two kids
in Hamilton and then a man who went to try
to save the kids. A woman has just been in
court for it, which is why we're talking about it.
So one of the dogs was a Staffordshire bull Terrier
American pitbull cross. Sounds lovely. The second dog was a
Staffordshire bull Terrier. The kids were playing on a footpath

(01:30:51):
outside of their house, and the dogs lived at a
nearby property, and the dogs ran out from their property
onto the footpath and chase the kids. And the kids
got a massive fright, as you would, and they ran
home to their own house, but the dogs got there
before they did, and the dogs bit the boy the
man who was a neighbor. Another neighbor saw it happen
and tried to call the dogs off the boy and

(01:31:13):
the sibling. The dogs turned around, looked at old mate
and went over and started attacking him and really did
him some serious damage. He had to go to hospital
in an ambulance and have all kinds of surgery and
stuff like that. Anyway, the owner of the dogs has
appeared in the Hamilton District Court pleaded guilty to four
charges in total maximum sentences three years in prison in
a twenty thousand dollar fine. All of this could have
been avoided if the dogs had been killed nine months earlier,

(01:31:37):
in December twenty twenty three, when they attacked a person
and they were classified. The punishment was that they were
classified as menacing and dangerous and they were ordered to
be muzzled in public and controlled on a leash. Now,
come on, guys, if two dogs like this, though, if
two dogs like this attack a person, why are we

(01:31:57):
muzzling them and controlling them on a leash? Why we're
just taking them out in the back and shooting them.
Because look what's happened.

Speaker 19 (01:32:03):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
Anyway, we'll see how this goes. Because remember Simon wats
Oh dear god, Simon Watson is doing it. Simon is
very slow, is very slow. Anyway. I think Simon is
the one who's looking at the Dog Control Act and
may infact, at some stage one point in the future
get to dealing with the dogs. Until then, we'll just
keep on telling you about all these cases until we
can force them to make it the rule that we

(01:32:25):
shoot the dogs. Sixteen away from seven, It's.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
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Speaker 2 (01:32:47):
News talks edb.

Speaker 3 (01:32:48):
El's take lots of texts saying yes to the dogs situation,
but then Al took it too far and said shoot
the cats as well.

Speaker 4 (01:32:54):
Al.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
By the way, have you seen that the people down
south are shooting the feral cats again at that competition
to raise money for the school. The guy who runs
that competition is cracking me up. Every time somebody gets
him on for an interview or talks about it, he
just bites people. He's like, Oh, you don't understand. You're
a bunch of townies. I love it.

Speaker 21 (01:33:11):
Go you.

Speaker 3 (01:33:12):
I think his name is Ben, I'm not could be Met,
could be Bruce, could be Brian, be any one of
those names anyway, go met being Bruce Bryan, you are
doing an excellent job. It is hilarious to watch this happen,
and you're gonna shoot the cats anyway. Twelve away from
seven Gavin Gray UK correspondence with us Elogevin. Hi that
oh Nigel Faraj, So is this just a distraction technique

(01:33:32):
from him?

Speaker 10 (01:33:32):
Is it?

Speaker 20 (01:33:34):
That's what he is being accused of. It was meant
I think as a sort of sack me or back
me kind of invitation. So Nigel Faros currently under investigation
over some political over some donations which the authorities here
are saying he should have reported, along with other MPs,
anything that is donated to him even before he becomes

(01:33:57):
an MP. Now he says, well, these were personal donations.
They came to meet well before the period at which
I was supposed to report them, and so consequently I
didn't report them and everything is fine. Well, I'm afraid
the row still goes on. He then said, right, I'm
going to stand down in my local constituency and clacked
into the East of London and then I gained to

(01:34:19):
restand the by election. Well, now all the other parties
are pulling out, the Conservatives, the main opposition party, Labor,
the government Liberal Democrats, the Green Party Restore Britain have
all ruled out contesting the Clacton by election. The reform
leaders said that he would refight this and described it
as a people versus the establishment by election. The Foreign

(01:34:40):
Secretary has said the election shouldn't be happening and accused
Niger Faraja throwing a political tantrum as a distraction to
those investigations. So at the moment we're left with Nigro
Pharas saying he's going to resign. At the moment, we're
saying that there's a by election with possibly just him
and one other candidate from a very minor party, and
what purpose will it serve?

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
Now?

Speaker 20 (01:35:01):
By elections aren't cheap. That said, Niger Varrus has offered
to pay for it as well, to prove that he
isn't trying to waste money, which is something that also
he bangs on about.

Speaker 3 (01:35:14):
So at the moment, a.

Speaker 20 (01:35:14):
Really really disjointed future for the people of Clacton. There
are others saying, good, let's have a by election and
just nobody go and vote, But what a waste of
time and effort that would be. These investigations into the
financial claims will continue anyway, and whether this has been
a big mistake by Nigro Varas or not waits to
be seen.

Speaker 3 (01:35:34):
How do you write Marine Leapin's chances at the presidency.

Speaker 20 (01:35:39):
Looking pretty good at the moment. So Marine la pen
is head of the National Rally Party, the far right
National Rally Party, and she gave a television address last
night our time, so roughly twelve hours ago, in which she.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
Said she would stand.

Speaker 20 (01:35:55):
The reason that's all suddenly coming out why would the
favorite not stand in an election to become president is
because she had a court case go against her in
which she was accused of running a fake jobs scheme
using EU funds to fund party workers for her own
political party, and she was sentenced to detention, but that

(01:36:18):
was going to be at home with an electronic tag
and refused to stand for office for five years. The
appeal court yesterday announced that actually the sentence was effectively
finished already, they had reviewed it and she could now
stand for a political office. But she still has to
wear a tag. Now she's still saying, well, this is

(01:36:40):
unfair because the wearing of electronic tag will mean that
every single move I make for the election period is
going to be known to the authorities. But it's a
really big political gam where she's taking. If she had
not taken it, she would have handed the candidacy to
a very very popular president of the party, Jordan Bardea.
He's thirty and many are thinking perhaps Marine La Penn

(01:37:04):
should have handed over the range. But either way, she
says she's determined to carry on. Says a bit like
Nigel Varas, this has been an institutional stitch up against me.

Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
Okay, how much money is Prince Harry going to have
to pay?

Speaker 20 (01:37:18):
There's all sorts of reports about how much the court
case that he has just completed is going to cost him.
But he is one of a number of high profile
stars that brought a case against Male Daily Mail newspaper
The Mail on Sunday newspapers, saying that effectively he had

(01:37:40):
been subject to stories that were used or constructed out
of unlawfully gathered information now read into that phone hacking.
But Prince Harry has been rejected in this appeal and
he has said it was all an authority stitch up basically,
and it was an inevitable result. Well, it's been a

(01:38:03):
very expensive inevitable result for him and other stars like
Sir Elton John, Liz Hurley, the actress and Baroness Doreen Lawrence,
whose son was murdered. And I have to tell you
the newspapers over here pretty much cocker hoop with some
big headlines about how they had tried to break the
newspaper and ruin the newspaper, but how effectively they had

(01:38:26):
managed to avoid that. It was a four hundred and
thirty six page judgment in which the judge said that
they had failed to prove the allegations of unlawful information
gathering and having suspicions and having rumors and having thoughts
that that was the cause is not good enough in
a court of law. And while it was understandable, they
had to prove the information was obtained unlawfully. So the

(01:38:51):
Daily Mail mail on Sunday is you can imagine cocker
hoop with that this Daily Mail headline this morning, there
was nothing less than a conspiracy to destroy the Daily Mail.
The Suns say's huge victory for free press. As Prince
Harry suffers crushing high cock today. Will it will be
we think in the tens of millions.

Speaker 3 (01:39:08):
Yeah, they will not let it go. Gavin, Thanks very much, Gavin,
Gray UK correspondent. Oh, well, it seems that Chippy Chippy
Chris Hopkins has made some waves with what he said
to us earlier. He has the Taxpayer's Union has declared
him on the cusp of becoming a rate payer hero.
Because one of the things we didn't notice, or really
there was so much to notice in what he said
is that they appear to have labor be doing a

(01:39:29):
U turn on the rates caps. So tonguy UTZAKERI who's
there spokesperson on this, said no way are they supporting
nationals rate caps. But Chippy just said earlier to askes
today that they are not sure what their position is,
so they might be doing a little U turn. So
let's see how that goes.

Speaker 9 (01:39:45):
Ants bags by Clara to play us out tonight, the
American singer songwriter She has ended up in a beef
with Pepper Pig. Pepper Pig is, of course, the star
of the children's animated series of the same name.

Speaker 3 (01:39:57):
Oh I know that you're watching that.

Speaker 9 (01:39:59):
Yeah, well, she just did an interview with Pitchfork. It's
a thing they regularly called over under where they basically
give the interviewee a bunch of things and say, is
this thing over or underrated, And when they presented Pepper
with Claro, this is what Pepper said, I don't know
her right well, I mean, you know, she might just
be being honest Pepper, because she's only four, she might
not have heard any Claro music. But a lot of

(01:40:21):
people have taken that as a slight against Claro about Pepper, saying, oh,
who's that? So Charlie XCX got in touch with Claro
and said, hey, should we should we miss Pepper up?
We can't be having that, And Pink Pantheres has also said, look,
that's not all right. So Pepper, if you're listening, this
is a song by Claro. It's called Bags.

Speaker 11 (01:40:37):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:40:38):
You get on bold with that, your four year old
sexy little being. All right, see you tomorrow, one day
before the long weekend musical tipp

Speaker 1 (01:41:08):
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