Full Show Podcast: 08 May 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand to coverage like
no one else news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Hev Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today,
Mikey Sherman has just announced she's resigned from TV and Z.
We're going to get you across that. Rod Drury has
given back the Kei we Bank New Zealander of the
Year award this afternoon, will get reaction from one of
the women who's accused him. And Auckland FC are playing
their semi final this week. He is hoping there's not

(00:31):
another penalty shootout. Will speak to the chief executive.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Heather Duplessy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Look, I wouldn't stress out too much about Chris Luxon
tallon Kerry this morning that National wants to lift the
age of the pension as soon as they get back
in government after November, because it's not going to happen.
Winston Peters is not going to let them do this.
He has Winston Peters has been as solid as a
rock on the pension over the years and from what
I hear, nothing has changed. He will not agree to
move the pension age which of course leaves National another option,

(00:57):
which is that they could reach across the aisle to
Labor for some support to get around Winston. But Labor
is not going to support this idea either, because Chris
Hipkins said, just as recently as November it would be
very very unfair on some workers to raise it, in
which case you may well be wondering why would Chris
Luxon and Nichola Willis keep on dropping hints like they
do and keep on raising expectations about their pension age

(01:19):
policy when it really will never actually become law, Because
it's a charade, isn't it. It is a charade that
is designed to make them look like they are good
stewarts of the country's finances with all the plans to
make the big changes necessary to get us out of
our structural deficit, when really they are not going to
do that. And when this doesn't happen after November, which
it won't, they will be exactly where they are right now.

(01:43):
And what is that spending more money than Grant Robertson,
taking on more debt than Grant Robertson, not cutting any
real spending just like Grant Robertson. So in one way.
I suppose there is some reason to celebrate because we
will escape yet another election without the pension being touched.
Thank the Good Lord for that. But it is being
used to make some people look like they mean some
real business with our finances when everything tells us they.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Don't together do for c Ellen.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Winston Peters is with us, by the way, after five o'clock.
And you can get stuck into that if you want
to as well. Nine two nine two as the text
number standard text fees a plea apply. It's not even
a word anyway. It's all about another political party. This
is the Opportunity Well, actually, forgive me. It's not called
the Opportunity Party. It's not called top anymore. It's just
called Opportunity. They've announced a suite of policies, including the

(02:33):
Citizen's Income, which is basically a policy in which they
want to give nineteen four hundred dollars to every adult
in this country tax free. The leader is Qla Wong,
who goes by the name q hi Q. Hello, okay,
giving me, you're more than welcome to listen. What is
your thoughts on the pension age?

Speaker 4 (02:49):
So what we would like to see? The times and
moved towards means testing. We would prefer that over raising
the age, and we think we can get there if
we introduce a compulsory key.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
We say there. Obviously it's hard for retirees today.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
Who haven't had that opportunity to have that compulsory saving,
so it takes some time to get there. But the
longer we wait, the longer it's longer it's going to take.
And we already know that it's going to be unaffordable
in the next decade, so we really need to make some.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Calls on this. So do you, I mean so then
for that site, for that do you then accept that
there will be there's urgency to start dealing with the
pension age, but there will be people who do not
have sufficient key we save it built up, so there
will be a generation or two of people who really suffer.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
Well, our goal is not to start means testing until,
you know, until we do have a generation of kiwis
who can retire with compulsory savings. So we would introduce
the citizen's income and maintain superannuation at the same level
as it is now, so nobody would reaperceiving any less.
But say in ten twenty years time, when you do

(03:50):
have people that are retiring that have had that compulsory
savings opportunity. We could start means testing over sixty five's
at that point.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Okay, how are you going to pay for the citizen's income?
How much is it going to cost?

Speaker 4 (04:02):
So we have costed this out. The citizens income side
costs about twenty four billion, but we think we can
raise twenty eight billion in land value tax, so there's
annually annually, So that's a four billion a year surplus actually,
which could be used to pay down some debt or
pay for some of our other policies that we want
to see and acted on.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
How long is it going to take. How long is
it going to take for you to hit the twenty
eight billion from the land tabs?

Speaker 4 (04:28):
Yeah, so this we've put out an implementation plan which
would be over ten years. It could be done faster,
but we've tried to be as pragmatic and fair as
possible to minimize any impact on property market prices, rent prices,
you know, other distortions in the market. Over ten years.
Potentially it could be done faster, but we've got a

(04:48):
balance there between making big bowl change and also being
fair to the people that have existed in this system
for decades.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Do you accept that you run the risk of turning
us even more than we already are into a country
of blood if everybody just gets twenty grand for free
and consider on their bums.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
So I think there's multiple things here. Studies overseas have
of UBIS have shown that it doesn't actually increase unemployment.
It doesn't always increase employment. But what it does does
mean that people find jobs that are actually more meaningful
for them, or spend time more on training and upskilling.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
In which these studies been done.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
There's been them in Finland, Ireland, the US, India. Ireland
has recently made permanent a UBI for creatives and artists,
recognizing the role that they play in society.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Ireland, Oh yeah, yep.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
India has a UBI for women, recognizing the unpaid role
that they play in our society.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Goodness certainly, Well, well.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
You know it's relative relative to the cost of living,
and even in New Zealand, you know we're not proposing
enough really for anyone to live a comfortable life. Nineteen
thousand dollars a year't cover everything you need. So there's
still an incentive there to get out and work to
build a life, and actually we think that by giving
people dignity and trusting them to make those decisions, that

(06:10):
sets them up for success much better than our current system.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Okay, now, que it seems to me that you're because
I've had this debate. I had a bunch of people
who are huge fans of the Opportunities Party trying to
convince me that you guys are going to get into
the election, and so I've spent a bit of time
thinking of being basically having this being brainwashed by these people.
It seems to me that your greatest chance of getting
in is actually with disaffected Labor and Green voters. Right

(06:33):
Labor Party voters who realize their party is useless and
actually doesn't have a back vote. Green Party voters who
realize their party is full of very weird people. Those
people may peel off and come to you. Is that
how you see it?

Speaker 4 (06:46):
Yes, And I think there are disaffected national voters who
really care about responsible economic management, but also really care
about the environment and are quite appalled at some of
the actions that have happened over the last couple of
years in under this government, with regardless to fisheries and
climate legislation. So we are certainly seeing people from across
the political spectrum coming to Opportunity brilliant. Q.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
It's good to talk to you. Thank you very much,
and good luck with a campaign. That's Q Lai Wong.
Who is the Opportunity leader or just I suppose Opportunity leader.
I don't know. I don't know about this name. It's
very confusing. It's all if you don't know whether each
put a the in the front of something, It's just
an own goal, isn't it. Mikey Sherman has resigned from
TV and Z. She's put out a statement. This is
her statement from my own perspective and for context. My

(07:30):
comment was made in response this is the F word
comment that the homophobic slurt to Lloyd Burr. My comment
was made in response to deeply personal and inappropriate remarks
made to me that evening. This does not excuse my actions.
I took responsibility for that a year ago. It is
merely to help others understand why I reacted in the
way that I did. The level of scrutiny on me
this past week has been unprecedented, and this has placed

(07:51):
enormous pressure on me. My role has become untenable and
so I am finishing up with TV and Z today.
I wish the team well, now I know that we
technically have to say that she resigned because she has
been allowed to resign, but be under no illusion like
this is this is one of those ones where they
go if you don't if you if you don't walk,
we'll push you. So it's kind of like you're allowed
to resign or we're gonna fire you situation. And I
would suspect that there is a payout involved here, just

(08:14):
having it, just having a punt at how these things work.
She was pretty well lawyered up. Rumors going around it
was Lynda Clark, and they were pretty well layered up
at TVZ, and the meeting happened on Monday, at least
the first of the meetings happened on Monday. To be honest,
we were expecting this announcement as early as Tuesday, so
I am not at all surprised. I mean, I would
have left it to Friday as well. They've done it
on Friday, so it basically gets washed away with the

(08:35):
week everybody's out on the on the drinking poohs this
weekend and doesn't really register it. But anyway, we'll have
it yet to Shane Curry. Barry Soper will be with
us on this in half an hour's time obviously, and
Shane Curry the New Zealand Heralds Media Inside a writer
and you know veteran journalists will be with us after
six sixteen past four.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
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Speaker 2 (09:01):
The wartime is Winston on. I need to know when
I should turn my radio off because I I just
can't tolerate your daily dose of drooling over him, Colin.
He's on at five o'clock and I'm not gonna lie.
I don't draol over Winston all the time, but I'm
going to drool over him this time because he is
literally the thing that is standing in the way of
me losing my at least part of my pension when

(09:22):
I come to retire. So, I mean, I feel like
the drooling is somewhat warranted in this case, don't you think?
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Speaker 1 (09:30):
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Speaker 2 (09:36):
We can spare mosters with us. Piney is it sold
out for the Crusaders and the Blues.

Speaker 5 (09:40):
Well, I think it's close to sold out. And that's
no surprise, is it. It's it's still a brand new stadium.
We had the we had soup around there, and they
completely sold it at that night. I'd be I actually
haven't seen the latest figures on this, but I'd be
astounded if they didn't get twenty five thousand, and that's
a night to watch Crusaders against the Blues.

Speaker 6 (09:58):
Apparently the horses are backs.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
You see that the horses are knew this last week.
I said this on the show last week. Everybody knew
this was happening. How did they step this up so badly?

Speaker 5 (10:09):
I don't know, or even if they did stuff, Maybe
they were always coming back for this game. They just thought,
you know, super around might be a bit too much
to hand or I don't know, but.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Now and also you're completely forgetting what happened. No, remember
Colin was on the show and Colin was saying, now
we can't do the horses. Horses not going to happen. Now,
the horses an't going to happen, And Colin said, this
is Colin mans Bridge. He said, it's just not enough space.
Around the field. So what did they do make more space?

Speaker 3 (10:33):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (10:34):
But and he always tells the truth, Colin Man's Bridge,
that's the thing. So yeah, no, I'm serious, he's one
of the more more honest. You know, it would be terrible,
terrible poker player when you are being honest. Sarast No,
I'm not being sarcastic. No, I like Colin Man's Bridge.
And I wonder how we've got to the point where
there were no horses and now there are horses. Anyway,
maybe that's a question for another time.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Does the AFC go to penalty shoed out?

Speaker 5 (10:57):
Well, it can't tomorrow night, it can next Friday. We
can't tomorrow because it's a two legged affair, so there's
a home leg and an away leg. So at full
time tomorrow night here that it's effectively halftime. So if
it's level at full time next week, then there could
be penallies. But no, no penalies tomorrow night. You know,

(11:17):
last week was just amazing drama, wasn't it. But no,
we don't have to worry about that Tomorrow night. Ninety
minutes then they take that score, pick it up, drop
it down in Adelaide and then carry on good stuff.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Well, I mean, I don't know. That doesn't sound like
the best way to play, because I mean what I'm
worried about is that it doesn't we don't get a
full house.

Speaker 5 (11:33):
Well well, I mean, I know you're talking to Nick
Becker in an hour or so. We're just over an hour,
and I think he'll tell you that they've done everything
they can to ensure a much bigger crowd this week
in terms take a prices here. That's the main thing.
They've dropped the prices in association with apl who run
the league and run the finals. So they've done a
lot of promotion. That's all I've seen across my social
media feed this week is Aukland the FC promoting this game.

(11:55):
I would be really surprised if it's not twenty thousand
plus there tomorrow night.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, all right, thank you very much. Appreciated Jason Pine.
Weekend Sport host here the Mikey Sherman said the level
of scrutiny on her has been unprecedented, played unprecedented, placing
enormous pressure on her. That's a bit ironic considering the
way she and other journalists have treated politicians and other
keywis to be fair to Mikey Sherman, I mean, correct
me if I'm wrong, But nothing comes to mind where
she has been incredibly unfair on anybody. I can think

(12:22):
of other press gallery journalists, so quite a lot of
them who have actually been unfair, but I wouldn't say
that of her, And to be fair to her, this
is I think this might be unprecedented. I think it
might be. I think that knowing this level of detail
of something that a political editor has been involved in
while they're a political editor, and the number of media

(12:42):
openly commenting about it and writing about it, I think
in her position, that probably is unprecedented. Correct me if
I'm wrong.

Speaker 7 (12:48):
For twenty two, the name you trust to get the
answers you need, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one
New Zealand coverage like no one else news talk.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
They'd be hither.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
What about Mikey Sherman interviewing Miles Hurel. Yeah, well yeah,
I mean it wasn't like she was hounding him out
of his job. That was dumb, That was a rare,
that was poor judgment, But that wasn't I've seen worse.
I've seen far worse. And I think I think Miles
would have just brushed that one off and got on
the plane and thought that was dumb. Four twenty five.
Now it's all happening today as often as the case

(13:21):
on a Friday afternoon. Rod Drury has now also announced
that he's giving back his Kiwibank New Zealander of the
Year award. He says, I've informed the New Zealander of
the Year Awards office that I'm returning my award. While
I completely reject the allegations about me, I do not
want the current situation to undermine the integrity of the
awards or place further pressure on a great organization before
the relevant investigations and proper processes have been completed. The

(13:43):
Awards Office should not be put in the position of
having to deal with matters that do not involve them
while those processes are underway. We're going to have a
chat to the first woman actually who made the allegations
against him, Ali Naylor, who'll be with us after five o'clock,
just really quickly, while we're still kind of on the
subject to sport on the appointment of Steve Lancaster to
the job of the boss of NZR yesterday. Gregor Paul

(14:04):
has written a piece for The Herald on this and
it is brutal. He says, for the third successive time,
Zidar has appointed a chief executive who's rugby grounding belief
systems and worldview of the world is forged at the Crusaders,
and for the third successive time Inzidr has appointed a
chief executive with no experience managing large complex organizations or
someone who has operated much outside of sports administration. He

(14:27):
says what we already knew, which was they didn't actually
want Steve Lancaster. They wanted Tom Harrison, who runs six Nations.
But apparently Tom Harrison didn't like the expectation that he
would have to show his face in clubrooms around New
Zealand and be a visible presence around the grassroots game
because he wanted to live in Australia and only fly
in and fly out of New Zealand. He wanted also

(14:47):
as for pay, he wanted one and a half million
dollars and they were only offering about one point one max.
Then they started when Tom turned them down, they started
look at the rethinking their options. They started looking at
bosses of corporates who maybe one to get out of
the corporate world, maybe wanted a bit of a different change.
The names that kept coming up, says Gregor Paul, were
former Air New Zealand CEO Greek four and former Fontio

(15:08):
Fonterra CEO Miles Hurrell, current One New Zealand CEO Jason
Parris and current Zero CEO Sakinder sin Cassidy. Apart from Scinda,
I'd heard all those names as well. None of that
obviously happened. They appointed Steve, who was the guy who
was filling into the job, which I feel kind of
sorry for him because he should be celebrating this weekend,
not going on. Everybody knows I'm the Plan B guy. Anyway,
we'll talk to the sports huddle when they were with

(15:29):
us after half past five.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
News is next, Accountability analysis answers here what matters. It's
Heather Dupleice Ellen Drive with One New Zealand coverage like
no one else News Talk z B.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
But Marry soph will be with us in ten minutes
time and he'll cover off Mikey Sherman, you haven't worked
in the gallery affair amount and Winston Peter's New Zealand
first leader. We'll talk us through what he's planning to do,
how he's planning to kill the National Party's plan to
lift the age of the pension. For David Attenburgh's hundredth birthday,
they have named a parasitic wasp for him. Not just

(16:20):
a wasp, but a parasitic wasp. If it was if
you turned, if you listen, if you had turned one
hundred years old and you were as famous as David Attenborough,
wouldn't you want something just It doesn't even have to
be physically bigger, But I would want something physically bigger,
but something a bit cooler than a parasitic wasp be
named after you. I mean, I think actually the man
is famous enough that I reckon we could think about

(16:41):
some trumpy and renaming. Like you know, he could pick
any any of them may walk into the bush. Go
that that's a giraffe. Yeah that that named that after me? Gabe,
you're David Atinborough. We're doing it, but no, it's a wasp.
Twenty four away from five, it's.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
The world wires on news talks.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
They'd be drive the US some music.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
The US and Iran have been fighting in the Straight
of Homers again. Three American destroyers have exchanged fire with
Iranian drones and small boats. Both the Americans and the
Iranians say the other side fire at first, Here is trump.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
They trifle toevers. Today we blew them away.

Speaker 8 (17:18):
They trifle.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
They call that a trifle. I'll let you know when
there's no seats, you won't have to know.

Speaker 9 (17:23):
If there's no cease fire, you're not gonna have to know.

Speaker 10 (17:25):
You're you're gonna have to look at one big glow
coming out of Iran.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Now two of the Isis over. In Australia, two of
the ISIS brides that return to Ozzie have been remanded
in custody. They are facing charges related to enslaving at
least one year ZDI person during their time with ISIS.
Here's the president of the AZI Youth Association of Australia.

Speaker 11 (17:43):
The crimes commented were against my community where you know,
heinous crimes from sexual slavery, from sexual harassment, abuse or
chum killing.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
I'll get you across some more of the detail on that.
And an E and T instructor in Wisconsin has suffered
a heart attack while teaching his students how to recognize
the signs of a heart attack. At first, the students
thought this is really good, or maybe this is a
prank or is it a very extreme practical teaste, But
then they realized it was for real, and so they're

(18:19):
called the ambulance and they took turns administering CPR, and
the ambulance arrived in minutes and the instructor had has
made a full recovery.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Full pass marks for every single one of them. Dan Mitchison,
US correspondents with US Hello, Dan.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
Hello, Heather.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
All right, give me an update on what is going
on with with Iran. We're still in the ceasefire situation,
aren't we.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Yeah, we still are.

Speaker 12 (18:44):
It's still in effect. The President said that earlier to
ABC News, and he said this was just handed and
this is a quote, just a love tap. So the
US Military Central Command said it carried out this defensive
strike on Somemoranian assets. They said it was unprovoked. Both
sides are going back and forth at this at this point,

(19:06):
and you know, I mean, this is kind of casting
a bigger doubt, I guess on the sea spire that
had kind of held for the most part for the
last month. But you know, President Trump says, hey, you
know it is intact. And again, as you just heard
in the world wires, if it's not, we're going to
see a glow from Iran.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Now, did you see the little crystal football that Marco
gave the Vatican?

Speaker 8 (19:27):
I did. But he's like, you said what he said?

Speaker 12 (19:30):
No, he said, what do you what do you give
the man who has everything? And you know the Pope
gave him. I believe it was a pen and made
out of olive wood. But yeah, that it was kind
of a tiny, sort of football shaped thing. It wasn't
very impressive. I mean, I would have thought there could
have been something a little more creative you could have
given to the Pope. I mean, he had a chance

(19:50):
to meet with him today for about forty five minutes.
It was the first time that we had sort of
the head of the Catholic Church and somebody from the
Trump cabinet meeting together in a year. And they said
there was a lot to talk about, you know, humanitarian
aid for Cuba, concerns over religious freedom around the world,
of course, what's going on in Iran right now. And yeah,
it was a little tense. I mean, if you look

(20:10):
at the body language and some of the pictures right now,
and that's not a surprise after what the President said
last month, who said, you know, I don't think this
pope is doing a very good job.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah, do you think? And I mean, but the Pope
seems to me to be a savvy enough guy to
look at Marco and realize it's not Marco's fault. You know,
he count for what Don is saying.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
I think so.

Speaker 12 (20:30):
And then you know, after he had his forty five
minutes with the with the Ponta, he you know, when
in some back room talks as well. So I'm sure
there's you know, some more stuff that's going to be
coming out of this. But yeah, this is this is
this is a pope who is being who is speaking
out about things that we have never heard another ponta
really speak publicly about.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Do you agree that? Because because because I've had this
fight with Ants. Now, you know, Ants is a Catholic, right,
so he follows what's going on with the pope and
answers to me, No, Pope Leo is just he's fairly
still standard for a pope's It's it's just traditional for
popes to rail against wars. But I feel like this
guy's taking it up a level. What do you think I.

Speaker 12 (21:09):
Think he has too. I mean, you know, they have
a very good way in their sermons of giving analogies
without actually, you know, coming right out and naming names
and saying things. But I think this pope is sort
of taking more of a hardline stance on that. Yeah,
and taking it up, like you said, at the next level.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, I agree. Okay, Dan, thanks very much, man, look
after yourself, enjoy your week in this. Dan Mitchinson, US correspondent.
Do you know what I am so sick of of
of ants trying to beat me on a Catholic knowledge
that I went to Mass on Sunday. I went to
because Tim Wilson's Tim Wilson, as you know, regular guy
on the show Massive Catholic. He's he's been hassling me.

(21:46):
He's been hassling me to go to Mass. So I
went to Mass one time and it was not that bad,
and so then he was hassling me some more, and
I said, I can't come to Mass now, Tim, I
can't come because the baby sleeps in the morning. She's small.
But then the baby stopped sleeping in the morning, and
Tim was onto it, and he was like, what are
you doing? What are you doing this Sunday? What are
you doing next Sunday? What are you doing? I was like,
Lord above, I'm going to go to Mass anyway, So
I did, but then I broke answer. This is going

(22:08):
to freak you out. Then I took communion, but I'm
not baptized into the Catholic Church. And all the Catholics
in my life are furious with them because the husband's
a Catholic. He was furious. One of my best friends
is a Catholic. She actually had to apologize to me
afterwards for how angry she was met with me about
this discussion, and Tim and the husband had a discussion

(22:31):
afterwards and said they're going to have to have a
discussion with me about the fact that I'm not allowed
to do that.

Speaker 13 (22:35):
So you'll definitely be back, is what you said. Out
feel very welcomed on your first experience that they're really
making it easy to become a Catholic.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
It's across the tide to come back. Yeah. But what
I didn't realize, So I was brought up in a
happy clap situation, right, But the happy claps have a
lot of alcoholics in the church. So when they give
you communion lated you might not know this. They don't
give you actual wine. They give you grape juice because
they don't want to settle the alcoholic off again because
the alcoholic goes to church has communion and Nick Minne
are drinking again. So anyway, when I went and took

(23:06):
the Catholic communion, it was a shock to me. These
people are drinking real wine at ten in the morning.
It was fantastic.

Speaker 13 (23:12):
Once a week every week.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah, definitely going back seventeen away from.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Five together, duple syl.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Whither did Mikey Schumann get a payout? And is this
good news for democracy and accountability? Of course she got
to pay out, of course she did. How to make
it go away? Is it good for accountability and democracy? Well,
I mean, look, let's be don't forget TV and Z
is a business, right, It's not sucking your tax bad dollars.
It's it's a proper corporate corporates do this, and the
TVs is doing it. But while we're on the subject,

(23:42):
lots of texts coming through as to who could possibly
take over and the rumor going around O lord, am
I going I'm not gonna do myself any favors, am
I but I'm not. Is it an employment problem? No,
I'm not employed there. But are they gonna hate Yes,
they're gonna hate me and their mind budget's going to
be weird for me anyway. So I've heard that they're
trying to poach Jenny from Stuff Slash TV three. What's
her surname, Jenna Lynch. Not bad, not a bad choice.

(24:06):
The other alternative that they've got is Jason with Jason Walls. Now, Jason,
who used to be our poll led here at ZB
has of course been he's moved up to Auckland and
he's working for TV and Z. So they've already got
somebody in the stable who works for TV and Z
who actually does know his way around the press gallery,
so they could pop him in there, even just on
an interim basis, because you can't make Benedict the political
editor for like a myriad reasons, right, but including recent

(24:28):
bias issues. So so now you're thinking about, Okay, you've
got Jenna over there. Doubt she's already down there. She
works for the opposition. She's not half bad. Jason's up here,
he's not half bad. You can put him in just
temporary basis. But do you know I would go for
Katie Bradford because Katie, Katie Bradford works for us now,
so they're my bosses. Aren't gonna love me saying this,
But that girl has had amazing political instincts from the

(24:49):
day dot she's worked in that gallery office. She knows
her way from front to back. I don't know that
she wants to move to Wellington, but I reckon she'd
be all some sixteen away from five.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
Politics with centrics credit check you customers and get payments.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Surturdy Winston Peters is going to be with us on
National Superage Plan after five o'clock. It's thirteen away from
five and Barries so per senior political correspondence with US
Hallo Barring, Good.

Speaker 6 (25:10):
Afternoon, Heather. And I've got to say, if you want
to go to make a mass tomorrow, you should go
to confession first. Although you haven't taken your first confession either,
so it's going to be very difficult for you. And
when you beckoned me to go up to receive union,
receive the Holy Eucharist, as we say in the in fact,

(25:30):
I couldn't believe it that you followed me and when
you asked the.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
But literally what we're doing right now was we're creating
another Irish situation, aren't we? Like Nick minute, it's guns
dawn when you.

Speaker 6 (25:42):
Ask the bearer of the chalice after having received the
Holy Eucharist for a double up. I thought, honestly, you
didn't know this. And by the way, and Katie Bradford,
I've got to say, you said she's got amazing instincts.
She's got them, Heather, because she used to work for
me in the Parliamentary Press gallery.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Hey, did you know though? When I went to get
the communion, I said to the guy, I don't know
how to do this. Do you give it to me?
Or do I take the car myself? And then I
made him give it to me.

Speaker 6 (26:12):
I didn't We used to receive it on our tongue
and we could never bite it. We weren't allowed to
buy it because we were told it would bleed.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
And I crunched that way for anyway, I did a
lot of things wrong for the Catholics. Okay, anyway, listen,
Mikey didn't resign. Mikey was not She was politely told
to resign or she will be five.

Speaker 6 (26:34):
Right, absolutely, and you know, I mean you could. I
really like Mikey Sherman personally because I know it quite
well having worked in the gallery with her. But she's
got form and you know you can't get away doing
stuff around the place that she did, like certainly the
abuse of Lloyd Burr. We don't know what the exchange was,

(26:56):
and she seemed to suggest that there was a pretty
nasty exchange between the pair, because we haven't heard from
old Lloyd Burr yet but probably not likely to either.
But it's a sad way to end a Koreer. I mean,
you know, to be the political editor of Dvan's there's
a fairly esteem job, particularly in the gallery, and for

(27:18):
it to end this way is are that quite sad
for her? And I hope she does well in the
future and maybe calms down a bit.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
But I mean to be fair, like you're talking about
it like she'll never get another job. She's capable, she
will get another job.

Speaker 6 (27:31):
Oh and she's got a good background in Moldy of course,
and there will be this plenty.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Of yeah, plenty of opportunities. I'd say, hey, listen, So
Chris luxon On Carey, did you think he did a
good job.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Yes I did.

Speaker 6 (27:41):
I mean I watched it. I've haven't quite interesting.

Speaker 9 (27:46):
You know.

Speaker 6 (27:47):
He the most interesting aspect of it was and it's
something that I've talked about with lux and is that. Look,
he's only been in Parliament since twenty twenty, so six
years coming up in parliament not a long time. Nobody
would ever expect to be the Prime Minister in such
a short time being a CEO, entering the place that

(28:08):
was a big transition for him to make. So today
he discussed on Kerry's Show how difficult the transition from
corporate chief to Prime minister's been.

Speaker 14 (28:18):
I feel like I was really good at playing rugby
and now I've had to come and play soccer, do
you know. I mean they're actually different games, but there
are things, Wendy, that are common to both of them.
As you understand, Actually, how do you get the best
out of the talent that you've got and the team
that you've got, And that is about putting the right
people on the right assignment at the right time, with
enough clarity but also support but also challenge at times
as well. And I think that skill set has actually

(28:41):
been very useful coming into this job. The bit that's
challenging is obviously everything you're doing is in front of
the public and the media all the time. You make
the mistakes in front of the media. You don't get
it right all the time, you don't express yourself perfectly
in my case and sound blacks, and I promise you
I probably will carry on expressing myself in perfect going
forward as well, and apologized for that upfront. But I

(29:03):
think at this time, you know, actually someone who understands
the economy and commercials, as hard as it is, as
frustrating as it is for everybody, is actually what he's
one needs right now.

Speaker 6 (29:11):
Now, before you climb into Chris and say that he
thought he was being interviewed by Wendy and not.

Speaker 9 (29:17):
Caring what him.

Speaker 6 (29:19):
And it wasn't a backup, It was actually a caller
called Wendy.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Oh, Now, do you know what I was actually thinking?
How likable and relatable he is at times, and how
he really struggles to get that across. Doesn't he like
for him? Like that?

Speaker 6 (29:34):
You like the guy I've often said, You know, you
only have to go out on the road with Chris
Luxen and see him relate to people and honestly genuinely
relates very well to people, and people actually like him.
I don't know whether I've told you the story, but
one Herald photographer told me he is carrying a heavy
tripod for a camera and he was photographing Luxe and

(29:57):
Luckson carried the tripod for him across the paddocks. Now,
you know, you wouldn't see that of most prime ministers,
but you know Luxeon's like that. He digs in and
you know, as a person, I think he's you know,
he's a good person. As a prime minister. It's for
others to judge.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Okay, Barry, thanks very much. We didn't get onto the superannuation,
but it's okay because we'll be talking with Winston about
that when he's with us. After five Barry so for
senior Political correspondent and will wrap the political week. That
was with Barry at quarter past six. It's eight away
from five.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Here yourself, think it's the mic Hosking breakfast.

Speaker 15 (30:27):
DOECD had a word about New Zealand and yesterday they've
weighed on the super debate. Of course they want eligibility
link to life expectancy. We had eventually to sixty nine.
Nicola Willis Finance minister. They say we should be doing
something about superannuation. We're not going to so is at
the beginning of the middle.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
In the end of ITU.

Speaker 16 (30:41):
No, we are going to have to do something. If
you're sensible, you listen to these facts and you think, well,
that's not sustainable. In the nineteen sixties there were around
seven New Zealanders of working age for every person aged
sixty five or older. Today there are four, and by
twenty sixty five there will only be two. Back to
burden on our tax payers as increasing significantly.

Speaker 15 (31:01):
Back Monday from six am, the mic asking Breakfast with
Defender News Talk z B.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Here the regarding Lux and my brother, who is often
very critical of the NATS, went to a meeting with
lux and a couple of weeks ago and said he
was thoroughly likable. Comes across as totally honest, very keen
to get the best for New Zealand. So different than
when facing the media. Jan thank you, oh yeah, your love.
And my thoughts on Katie Bradford here the Katie Bradford
should have got the job in the first place. She's excellent.
I could not agree with you more. John, Actually, when

(31:28):
I think back to that time. Here they totally agree
with you on Katie Bradford professional or relatable. Here, the
Katie Bradford would be my pick. That is, if she
wants to come back to TV. Here, the Katie Bradford
would be a good call, even if her mum was
a protester and a radical lefty as Trump would say.
Do you know what I've somebody pointed this out to
me the other day. They were like, Katie can't get
the job because of Sue, And I was like, do

(31:49):
you know, It's never even occurred to me that that
might be a problem. That is how professional Katie is.
Plus also she'd been working for the infrastructure people, so
they all right wing, aren't they. That's all about restructure
and building in money and stuff. So that probably balances
it out, doesn't it.

Speaker 8 (32:03):
Now?

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Four away from five isis Brides. A bunch of them
have come back to Australia. A bail application for one
of them kind of lays out well in her opinion,
lays out why she's not a threatened she shouldn't be
in custody, but it also tells the story. So this
one is thirty two. She's come back with her nine
year old son to Sydney. She says she was with
her husband in Turkey and Syria and he died in
a car accident. As opposed to being an ISIS fighter

(32:27):
and being killed in a war, she ended up in
a camp no explanation for how that happened. Says she
couldn't come back, couldn't talk to anyone under constant SAVELI
surveillance by ISIS, and was their ten years. Wants to
come back and complete her nursing degree and get medical
assistance for her kidney problem in Australia and then be
a role model to her son. Her son is with
wider family in Sydney while she's in custody. She's been

(32:49):
charged with entering a prohibited area and being a member
of a terrorist organization, with both offenses carrying a maximum
penalty of ten years imprisonment. And Federal Police so they're
pretty sure she went there to be with her husband
is innoten as she's claiming. Anyway, There's another couple in
Melbourne who've also been arrested and will be charged with
basically keeping slaves while they were over there. The mob

(33:10):
that turned out to greet them at I'll tell you
what actually we we'll talk about the c in a minute,
about the mob that turned up to greet them at
the airport, because it's interesting. Winston Peters is going to
be with us next and give us an indication as
to how much he doesn't love the NAT's wanting to
raise the age of the pension NEWSTALGSDB.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
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Speaker 2 (33:46):
Good afternoon, Chris Luxton. Luxton says he wants to start
lifting the pension age as soon as National gets back
into government after the November election. He concedes, though, that
he will need bipartisan support to make this happen. New
Zealand First Leader Winston Peters, who will almost serve and
be part of that coalition, is with us now. High Winston. Hello,
He needs bipartisan support because you're not going to support it,

(34:07):
are you? Oh?

Speaker 9 (34:09):
Look the lesson of the classic and Labor and Nationals
got a long record of attacking super going way back
to the CYR attacks. And then it's worse, it was
ninety two cents and a dollar for anybody's savings. And
so where we go. Here we go again. You know what,
they don't admit that they're failing to run the economy
property and as a consequence, and as a consequence, we

(34:29):
have got difficulty here and that, and that's simply as
it is. Okay, So can I can I just say
to you it's only five it's only five point two
percent of our GDP. Now that's half of what other
countries is struggling with. And so in the end of
the day, let's confront the problem. The problem is we're
not running the economy like we've done well. Should and

(34:50):
we should not be attacking the elderly. We should not
be taken a young and please do not attack grandmother
and grandmother's savings to try and disguise for a brief
time your economic incompetence.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
So are you big words, Winston? Are you saying that
before they start cutting the pension they should start cutting
other wasteful spending.

Speaker 9 (35:09):
More precisely, because well, there's a whole host of the
spending that is not an enormous waste of money. I
can show you the amount of time, money we're spending
on sort of good projects, sort of nice to do,
feel good projects, which have no value whatsoever. To give
me an example, Oh, look, can I just say to you,
take for example our health situation. We will never get

(35:32):
on top of our health problems. We do not confront
the fact that we have got a dietary problem in
our country. And you've got all these people saying we
want to see Mari and reasons the same performance in
terms of health as Europeans. Well, I'm afraid until we
change and be honest with people about their diety hit
dietary habits, we are not going to get a big
change enough make massive savings there.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Okay, So I've got an example of wasteful spending that
could be cut, which is the third year that we're
paying for free for university students when they could pay
for it themselves. And I said to Nikola Willis, why
don't you cut that instead? And she said, Winston won't
let me.

Speaker 9 (36:09):
Oh, for goodness, say, can I just tell you set
up front that has what we're going to do just
like you say, and we're going to spend it on
better spending.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
But we've had two budgets where it's going.

Speaker 9 (36:23):
To be sting your budget league right here, right now,
I'll give you a budget leak, right here, right now.
The answer is yes. Please don't believe people. I'm glad
your passed and you've take that with me because it's
not true. We're going to reshape it and repurposely for
the trades and a whole lot of industries where we
do need it, and we're going to get a far
bit of pay back for our money, and we'll pay
far less money doing it. Please, good idea, and we

(36:45):
have to agree with you.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
You're welcome.

Speaker 6 (36:46):
Up.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
There's more where that came from. What about we scraped
the women's ministry. Scrap the women's ministry, that's nonsense. Well,
get some courage, scrap these nonsense ministries.

Speaker 9 (36:59):
Well look, look, let me tell you I know a
little bit about this. The first women's minister was a man.
I know have been ridiculous from the day one. Please
don't tell me that I don't know.

Speaker 8 (37:07):
I've lived through it all.

Speaker 9 (37:08):
Unlike a whole lot of people, I don't been a
man five minutes.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
The same thing as Barry Sober. The minute you get
into a fight with them, you start talking about history. Now, okay,
let's get this on the record.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
You want to know why.

Speaker 9 (37:19):
You know why, because people who repeat the mister that
people don't understand history, repeat the mistakes of history, don't
you know that?

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Well that story. God, it's not a good argument though.
For why you won't scrap the women's ministry.

Speaker 9 (37:30):
Well, I don't see it has any purpose because it's
not helping women. So like the Retirement commissioner, Well, then
for tired people, here comes this argument rightly right now, next, chustiness,
what are you doing for tired people?

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Okay, well, steal a bunch of X ideas and actually
do the thing that they don't have the courage to start,
New king, these ridiculous ministries will save us millions.

Speaker 9 (37:49):
Excuse me. The first thing that did, the first thing
the act I did was set up a very expensive ministry,
costing more than the other ministry. Yeah, but do you
know that?

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Okay, listen, I need to get something on the record
from UK. Number one, Are you going to support national
raising the pension age?

Speaker 9 (38:04):
No, we're not going to do that because the fact
of the matter is that five point two percent is
highly affordable. What we're going to do is want of
far more sound of economy. And we're saying to the
old PARTI, if you can't do that, hop out of
the way. Another party will called the zel On. First,
we'll do precisely that on means and sound ideas that
go forward and do things. The second thing we're going
to make sure is we look after the older and
we're the only ones who ever defend them in in

(38:24):
the first place. And so if you're an old person
out there listening to the show, even if you're driving
as we speak, hundreds of thousands of you are having
your futures threatened. Only one party's got a record or
have their helping you and you're talking to it.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Are you going to if they get clever and they go, okay, cool,
we're not going to lift the age of the pension,
but we're going to means test it. Would you support that.

Speaker 9 (38:46):
Utterly? Not for goodness sake? Where the one party stood
out against it allus time and restored things to where
they were after labor and national and that sequence had
attacked it. So while we go back on our record
of achievement.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Whinson's good to talk to you have a lovely wee
kened Winston Peter's New Zealand First Leader. Right Rodger, who's
giving back his Kiwibank New Zealander of the Year award,
will talk to the woman who came out first and
accused him. Next five point thirteen. Let's be honest, if
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(39:41):
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Heather Winston is spot on about our health system. It
actually is a dietary problem. It's the first time I've

(40:02):
heard a politician be honest about that.

Speaker 8 (40:04):
Rote.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Loads of texts coming in on Winston, so I'll get
to them before the end of this half hour. Sixteen
past five Now, Zero founder Rod Drury has announced he's
handed back as New Zealander of the Year award. Since
Rod won the award, three women have come forward to
accuse him of inappropriate behavior when they were working for him.
He denies the allegations. Zero has launched a review of
how they hand these handled these complaints.

Speaker 10 (40:26):
Now.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Ali Naylor laid a formal complaint against Rod when she
worked at Zero in twenty seventeen. That's talked to her. I, Ali, Hi,
how are you? I'm well? Thank you? Did you want
him to return this award?

Speaker 17 (40:38):
Yes? I think that was initially the reason that I
wanted to speak out, because it was very difficult to
see him get knighted, but to then see this award,
I just thought, Wow, this is not the best New
Zealander in that and of the yeah, I just couldn't
believe it, So, yeah, it's very good.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Does this wrap it up for you? Or are you
going to pursue this further?

Speaker 17 (41:04):
I think for me at this stage. So I'm partaking
in the zero review, and really I think it's time
for other women, if they feel so inclined, to comfort
and share their experiences, because I'm just one of many.
I've been speaking with many other women as well, so
it's up for any other women in their own time

(41:25):
and in their own process to comforard and share their
experiences as well.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
How many more women are there out there who have allegations.

Speaker 17 (41:33):
That have allegations? I mean, I guess that's ultimately a
question for mister Drury. How many are true? I've spoken
to at least another five, and everybody's going through their
own process because this particular topic is obviously deeply personal
and can be deeply traumatic. So it's up for everybody

(41:53):
in their own time to figure out what is a
part of their healing journey.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Are any of the allegations that of the women that
you're speaking to more serious than the allegations we have already.

Speaker 17 (42:04):
Had Absolutely my own allegations as well, have not become
fully to light and they will do at some stage.
Why not pullapen hold it stuff just because of the
legal threshold and the police investigation as well. So what
I can say is that it is a lot more
serious than just someone trying to kiss you on the lips.

(42:27):
And yeah, that's pretty much all I can go into
it this night.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Because do you accept which has been my overriding feeling
following this story, that the allegations so far from all
three of you are very much at the low end
of the scale and in fact could be like some
people could look at it and say, well, is this
just the case of a guy who thinks that the
girl wants to be kissed? Do you know, would you

(42:53):
agree with that?

Speaker 17 (42:53):
I do, I wouldn't agree with that, but I do
understand that perspective as well. And when it comes to
these sorts of things, it's especially in the workplace, there's
a lot of factors that come into play. And so yeah,
it's a very difficult topic to talk about. So and

(43:17):
even just going through the police process just recently, you know,
is a very very intense, like retraumatizing experience as well.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Is any of what you are talking to the police
about criminal Yes, all right, Ali, thanks very much, appreciated,
look after yourself. That's Ali Naylor Rod Drury complainant. And
of course, as I said, he's handed back his award.
Heather absolutely, without doubt, the retirement age needs to be
raised to sixty seven. Everyone said, blah blah blah blah whatever.
Do you know what. Of course the retirement age needs

(43:47):
to be raised to sixty seven, but it's not going
to be because the Women's ministry obviously needs to be cut,
but it's not going to be. And all the diversity
and equity ministries need to be cut then do anything
there's right papers, but they're not going to be. And
the third even the third year free of university clearly

(44:08):
needs to be cut because I paid for my own.
Did you pay for your own? Yeah, so they could
pay for their own. It needs to be cut. I
don't know when he made it sound like he's going
to cut it. He's not cutting it. They're not cutting it.
They're modifying it. They're just going to give the free
university to trades as something else. That's money that could
be saved. So a lot of things that obviously need
to happen and aren't going to happen, So we all
have to suck it up, don't we. Five twenty one.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in
your car on your drive home, it's Heather duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand and the power of satellite
mobile news talks.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
They'd be Heather.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Winston was in government for six of the last nine years,
so he is also to blame for the way the
economy has been run. I know, we all know that.
Five twenty three. Look, if it is not already obvious
to you, the fact that Mikey Schumann has lost her
job should now make it very obvious to you that
the media and especially the state broadcast as the pair
of them, are about to find out what it means
to be not making the news, not reporting the news,

(45:04):
but actually making the news, actually in the news, actually
the news itself. Because just look at what's happened just
this week, right, and this is just a sample of
one week. This has been going on for ages. One week.
Mikey Sherman's lost her job for poor behavior in a
minister's office. David Seymour, the Act Party Leader's taken an
enormous crack at RNZ for hiring John Campbell, who's well
known for voting left because he said so himself and

(45:26):
has even gone so far as the seamore. He's even
gone so far as suggesting that the boss of r
n Z should lose his job over this. And then
the BSA, which is the equivalent of the head girl
telling everybody off for bad jokes at the party, is
being abolished. The politicians are coming for the media and
Mikey Sherman is an example of the politicians coming for
the media because the National Party lined her up a
they complained about her door knocking Stuart Smith at night

(45:48):
for ten minutes. Allegedly they confirmed that she'd sworn at
Nikola Willis's party in the office, which is really unusual
that they did that confirmation because Nicola actually broke the
Chatham House rules that they so jealously guard themselves. Now, look,
I feel sorry for Mikey for losing her job. That
is a really big price to pay, but I do
not feel sorry for the media in general for what

(46:08):
is coming. We have had this coming for years. We
have collectively pushed a certain worldview through the framing of
our stories which where we decide who is the victim,
who is the bad guy. What words we use when
we describe things as controversial to let you know that
this thing is a bad thing, like the controversial Treaty
Principles Bill, when we flip the angle like a good
government crime stats story into a bad gang news story

(46:30):
for the government, Like when Radio New Zealand, which is
supposed to be impartial and balanced more rarely than any
other outlet in this country, chooses a man to front
their flagship program who has been explicit about the fact
that he votes for left wing parties. We deserve what
is coming to us in this election. We can't screw
the scrum for years and not expect to become part
of the on field play now. I for one, I
am not unhappy about what is about to happen. I

(46:51):
think it is time for this to get sorted out.
And if this election brings media bias into sharp relief
and forces us all in the media to have a big,
long h and I think about what we've been doing.
I don't think that's a bad thing.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
M Heather do for sea out.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
That isis Brider was telling you about just before five o'clock.
She has been refused bail, so she will remain for
now in the Silver Water Corrections Complex, which I mean,
what you know, they don't keep you in custody. They
don't keep you in custody for no reason, right. I
think that's an indication of something, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (47:22):
Now?

Speaker 2 (47:22):
If you have been looking at what's going on in
the supermarket shelves and thought, geez, what's going on here?
Why is it that we're sending all our premium stuff
overseas and we're bringing all this cheap stuff. You're not
imagining it. We are doing that. Like the American butter
is just one example of it. People done the numbers
on it. You have got the numbers for you. Dog biscuits,
mostly imported from Australia, Canada, China, are eighty seven point

(47:45):
six percent cheaper than what we sell dog biscuits at
at the export price. You basically can say it's close
to half the price, isn't it. Water with added flavoring
is twenty five percent cheaper when it's brought in from
countries like the United States, twenty five percent cheaper than
the stuff that we're exporting. Jams and marmalades twenty two
percent cheaper when it's imported, and it often is coming

(48:07):
in from places like Chili and Poland. Imported wines are
twenty five percent cheaper than our stuff. Imported lollies and
some chocolate thirty seven thirty eight percent cheaper when it's imported,
mostly it's coming from China and Australia. Sweet biscuits sixty
five percent, oh sixty o. Leta's be fair sixty four
percent cheaper when it's imported, and it's usually imported from Australia,
And you know, beef and lamb obviously a lot cheaper

(48:29):
when it's coming in, So you're not imagining it. When
you're not imagining, you were sending all the good stuff
away and eating the crappy stuff. We absolutely are, but
if you don't like it, you have to be prepared
to pay. Hands up. Who wants to do that?

Speaker 18 (48:40):
Right?

Speaker 2 (48:40):
AFC is playing at semi final, the first of the
two semi finals tomorrows. Will check in with Nick Becker.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
Next, cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
It's Heather duficl and Drive with One New Zealand coverage
like no one else.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
News Talks there'd be.

Speaker 19 (49:01):
Ill oh oh oh sorry that news for Winston sounds
like he might have got his ancient history facts wrong.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Not going to win that one at the quiz is
e and Herkus was, in fact the first women's minister.

Speaker 18 (49:18):
We know this?

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Am I allowed to say? keV, how we know this?
We haven't cleared this with Barry Bargarret would just say it, yeah,
not the first time I've been naughty. On the radio
BSA be warned. Chris Chrispin listened, was listening to Winston,
and he immediately as he as you do, called up
one Barry Soapa and said Winston was wrong, in fact,
and Herkus was the first women's minister. It wasn't a

(49:41):
bloke then Young was the first spokesperson for women. I like,
can I just say, next time Barry does this all
Winston does this on the show, I am going to
call them out for it because it's boring, isn't it.
You're talking about a thing that's happening in twenty twenty
six and they don't really want to talk about it,
so they go, I remember when Muldoon did that thing,
and you're like, what's that got to do with now?
Absolutely nothing like we're here. I like, I was like,

(50:04):
scrap the women's ministry and he goes first women's minister
wasn't a women who cares? What's going to do with anything? Anyway?
Sports Titles with us shortly on the subject of Mike Schumann.
I should tell you Shane Curry, who's been following the
story and of course as a veteran journalist himself, he's
going to be with us after six. Right now, it's
twenty four away from six. Now. Auckland FC have got
their semi final tomorrow night and their quester win the

(50:25):
A League and just their second season. But they are
up against Adelaide United at go Media Stadium. The club's
chief executive, Nick Becker is with us. Heih, Nick, Hey here,
how are you doing very very well?

Speaker 10 (50:36):
Thank?

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Are you feeling confident? You're feeling pumped.

Speaker 20 (50:39):
We're definitely feeling pumped and we're feeling good about this.
This is our obviousity's second year of existence and second
year in the semifinals, so we're a bit more sort
of clear about what we're going to do tomorrow and
we'll be in there to take the full three points
and get the win.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
So how does this work because Piney was explaining to
me before you guys actually have two semi finals you
have to play, and they're both against Adelaide United, aren't they.

Speaker 8 (51:03):
Yeah, So what's thet the semi finals? It's home and away.

Speaker 20 (51:05):
So we play Tomorrow's six pm at go Media and
it's going to be a fantastic night there, glorious sunshine
all day, I'd like to say. And then and then
we go away to Adelaide next Friday, and then the
team with the the aggregate most goals over those two
legs win, so effectively, it's halftime after full time tomorrow night,

(51:26):
if that makes sense either.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
No, that's annoying, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Now?

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Okay, explain explain to me how things are going with
the ticket sales.

Speaker 8 (51:33):
We're going well, it's looking like a great crowd.

Speaker 20 (51:35):
I think we'll have twenty thousand plus in there, which
is a big up from last week.

Speaker 8 (51:39):
Last week was an amazing game.

Speaker 20 (51:40):
It went right through to extra time and then penalties
and everybody was in the stadium absolutely loved it. It
felt like there was about thirty thousand. Unfortunately there wasn't.
And we spoke to the league. So at this point
the league take over the whole final series, which is
a bizarre thing which we could spend hours and I'm
not going to I'm not gonna boy you with it
right now. But we said to them, look, you've got
the tip price wrong. They held their hands up. I said,

(52:02):
yes we have, and so we've now got some great
thirty dollars tickets for adults and fifteen for kids for
the game, which for that as a family, it's ninety
dollars an amazing bit of entertainment and for all Orkle
the FC fans, I'm sure they'll be there to support.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
What does that compare to what was it last week?

Speaker 20 (52:20):
That's a little bit more. Last week it was like
forty five was the cheaper. So they dropped it down.
They've noted it and they've made a good concession, and
I think it hands up, you know, like give them
a pad on the back.

Speaker 8 (52:30):
They did.

Speaker 20 (52:30):
Okay, they acknowledge they've got it wrong and they've got
it right this time.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
You guys should be you should be pretty choker. Right,
you're the only show in town in Auckland because the
Warriors of Buye I.

Speaker 20 (52:39):
Think, so yeah, let's get get your listeners along there,
all right, is hoping you're good luck.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Nick.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
I hope to talk to you again next week about
a successful game. That's Nick Becker Auckland, the FC chief executive.
It's nineteen, that's nice, twenty one away from six.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
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Speaker 3 (53:06):
We're really pleased with reactions so far.

Speaker 4 (53:08):
So we did a whole lot of work with Kiwi's
that surprised they told us, So that is what we've
released today.

Speaker 15 (53:14):
I approached it as an interim role, but very intent
on just turning up every week and doing the best
job I could.

Speaker 8 (53:18):
And I guess the board have decided that they're happy
with the job I'm doing. What's the word on the
horses common.

Speaker 18 (53:24):
I knew you were going to ask me that you've
just seen these AI images of these things before.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
On the huddle of us this evening we have Paul
Allison news talks, there'd be Rugby commentator and Adam Cooper,
host of the All Sports breakfast Wellington high Lads. All right,
Paul is Steve Lancaster the right guy for the job
was the only guy who was still there and wanting
the job.

Speaker 21 (53:47):
He may been the last man standing. It as a long,
pretty long haul, wasn't it in terms of the appointment,
And I think maybe initially they did want someone with
a bit more commercial knowledge. But he brings rugby pedigree,
another one out of the Crusader's face along with Mark
Robinson and Steve Chu as well. But he's been around
rugby for a while. He was high performance manager at
the Crusaders and at netball, and he's been involved with

(54:09):
the New Zealand rugby union. He's had that interim role.
So I guess the board understands what a strengths and
weaknesses are because they've been able to work with him
almost in a trial period now for six or eight months,
and the same thing happened I think with Mark Robinson
when he was a board member before they appointed someone
internally as well. So time will tell whether he's the
right person. He's got a big titanic ship to turn

(54:29):
around in terms of financial performance, but it's the credibility
in that sense, just whether or not he has that
commercial and financial background that might be needed in this role.
We'll have to wait and see.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
I mean, the thing is look at coops. A CEO
doesn't have to have it all right, So if there's
somebody else in the team who actually is a big
thinker and can come up with crazy ideas and save
rugby from itself, yeah, okay, is there anybody like that
in the team?

Speaker 18 (54:54):
Well, senially not. I mean, there's been a huge overhaul
of nearly all jobs that involve chief officer or high
performance at New Zealand Rugby, both for the All Blacks
and the organization over the past six to twelve months.
It's sort of when he saw that come through yesterday, Heether,
it sort of struck me as you know, going to
New World and buying the Pam's kin rather than the

(55:16):
you know, the boutique brand of whatever you want. You know,
it just had a sense of, oh, okay, this whole
desire to scour the globe, like New Zealand Rugby said,
to bring some fresh set of eyes and ears into
to lead this organization through. You know, it just sort
of almost fell flat. Yesterday. They realized that Steve Lancaster

(55:37):
has done a relatively good job. He's stared the shrip
ship through some you know, pretty big moves they've made
this year with the All Blacks coaching stuff. But it
just leaves you with that feeling, well, this is not
an organization that's going to suddenly evolve the All Blacks
brand suddenly become you know, any entertainment outlet for you know,

(55:58):
where rugby needs to go I think in this country
to compete with everything else on offer. So it kind
of just made me think, right, they're happy with where
it's going, They're sort of going to plod along in
the direction they are. Maybe a safe set of hands
is what they need right now. I guess Tom will
tell it's so hard when you have to compare the
value of the All Blacks brand and maximizing that commercially

(56:18):
versus keeping rugby unions all around the country, you know,
country clubs and metro clubs happy as well. Such a
tough job with all the different stakeholders them.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
There is a lot going on.

Speaker 21 (56:29):
And when you spend ninety million dollars, almost ninety million
dollars with teams in black, I think there's about fifteen
of them, the men and women's All Blacks Black Firms
New Zealand, a married team's Age Group Team New Zealand,
cult secondary schools and the like that's where a large
chunk of the money and expenditure is going. Ninety million
out of three hundred is going in teams in black.
And I had to look at the twenty twenty four

(56:49):
annual report he's run for you. They've played forty one
players played for the All Blacks are shop window at
a high level international performing team. Twenty twenty eight people
associated with that team of management, nine coaches, one here
to performance, four assistance performance analysts. I can go on
and on here I mean top head of leadership and meddle. Yeah,
well here we are manager of commercial manager, logistics, manager

(57:11):
of business, media manager, communications manager, operations manager, physiotherapist as system,
physio team doctor, nutritionists, performance scientist. I mean this is
where a lot of the money is and I and
so when you look at twenty eight members of that
management team associated with one team and we've got fifteen
teams or around fifteen teams in New Zealand rugby in black,

(57:31):
I mean I think we've got too many. And this
is where almost a third of the money is going.
You've got another third going out to the players association.
So your fixed costs are already two thirds of your
total income. Before you start having to try and drive
the game of rugby and New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Yeah, and I don't want to be the person who's
just cutting costs all throughout the three hours of the
show that I see we found a place to cut
some costs. We'll take a break. Come back with you guys.
Sixteen away from six the Friday.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
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the only truly global brand right.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Thirteen anyway from sixty year Back with the Sports title.
Adam Cooper and Paul Allison Coops, what's going on with
Luke Metcalf because apparently he's met with the Warriors to
find out what's going on and they're not saying fair.

Speaker 18 (58:13):
He's certainly not happy by the sounds of it. And
in some respects, you know you're a player of his
quality and remember this before his disappointing and untimely injury
at the Warriors was a contender for you know, the
daily year metal last year is the best player across
the NRL, not just and the Warriors, and we all
know that he was behind the huge resurgence last year.

(58:35):
Such an interesting case in regards to how he has
now fallen out of favor as a result of Tanner
Boyd filling that gap when Luke Metcalf was out injured,
and the Warriors do have a bit of a problem here.
Many would argue it's a good problem to have, Heather
and that you've got two credible guys worthy of being
part of the first choice team. Unfortunately, you've got now

(58:55):
someone like Luke Metcalf who would be picked up easily
by any other team in this NRL competition. There is
rumors that he's, you know, the first step that he
might do in some contract negotiations has had to you know,
talk to this new Perth team which is not far
away from starting in the league. Goodness me, they would
love to pick up a signature of his as they

(59:16):
build their first ever roster. So the Warriors actually need
to do some smart recruitment here and work out, you know,
what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
When is he of contract with the Warriors not for.

Speaker 18 (59:26):
Another two years, but but really doesn't matter an NRL.
People will move, you know, look at all the departures
from this Warriors team over the years when people leave beforehand.
If he wants out, he'll be out. There's there's absolutely
no doubt about that, so they actually need to come
up with a decision. Has Tanner Boy done it up?
I'm always of the view was there's no time like
the presence. If that's where he fits into the team,

(59:46):
and Luke Metcalf doesn't like it, well maybe that's that's
the issue here. You know, you can't really control and
tell Andrew Website the coach. Hey, Luke Metcalf wants to
say half back, let's put him in there. So if
Tanner Boy's the guy, see week Metcalff go. That's the
tough reality of having two good players too.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Right and Paul, they're doing the right thing. Like if
these guys are working on field and then you chuck
Luke Metcalf on and then when he's on he throws
the ball at bloody no One, then he shouldn't be
on it. It should be those two guys, shouldn't.

Speaker 21 (01:00:12):
It look a great problem to have, And it's a
long competition and you've got to go deep in your
squad and having quality players and that in the halves
are really important in terms of that game. I think
it's only one injury away from him getting back onto
the field. I know channel Harris de Vivas coming off
contract at the end of this.

Speaker 18 (01:00:31):
Year, so aboard but we so.

Speaker 21 (01:00:33):
I think it's a difficult challenge for him. But he's
saying I'm going to play guys who have a sham
and form. But Luke Metcalf, he's a cast. He has
got a history of injuries and that's the big concern
around him. I think he's played less than fifty percent
of the games in which he's been pudgeible since he
signed back in what twenty twenty three. But he is
still a quality player and I still think he's got

(01:00:53):
a place in the Warriors.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Listen, Paul, I didn't chuck you on hold the guy.
Your phone line is a bit funny, so the guys
will just try and get you up on the and
clear it up coops. While I've just got you on
the A n Z Premiership bringing bringing back the old girls.
How do you feel about that?

Speaker 9 (01:01:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:01:07):
Not great, to be honest, Heather. And you know, I
found it really telling actually that that one of those
players involved. Leanna Debrain, who, along with Casey Coppall, was
in that Star's Magic Game the other night. She was
interviewed a couple of days after and actually said, well, actually, no,
I'm as much as I enjoy getting out onto the court,
it's it's it's a sign of the problems with the

(01:01:29):
netble at the moment, and the sport does have a
real serious lack of depth. But the lack of depth
might be being caused by some of these decisions, you know,
I do think you know, we've talked a lot about
on this panel over the last couple of years here
the netpule's complacency and a decision like that to to
those depth that being your two best options for those
two teams to bring on to a court and an

(01:01:50):
am Z Premiership where you've already lost so many of
your top players that are experienced. You know, there's concerns
around the future of the league and here you are
promoting these players. Each of the AMZ Premiership teams has
a feeder team. They have teams that play in the
next grade down, you know, often as curtain raisers and
a representative for that particular netball region. So they should

(01:02:11):
have these players ready to go as backups in weeks
or days leading up to these games. Absolutely no doubt
about that. And as much as it was good for sentimentality,
it was a bad, bad sign for the sport of
where we're heading. If they have to bring someone who's
forty and forty eight into this competition, Yeah, it is a.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Bad sign, isn't it, Paul, Because if you've got I
mean like, if your forty eight year old is better
than your nineteen year old coming through, you've got a
massive decline in what's going on here.

Speaker 21 (01:02:38):
They have a desperate times, call for desperate measures. And
where as you get older, as we all know, things
either wear out, fall out or spreads out, doesn't it.
But yeah, you start to look at this and you say, Okay,
it was really just a temporary cover for players who
you know they need some injury cover.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
But there's not a good lock long term.

Speaker 21 (01:02:55):
You've got to bring the young guys through, and yeah,
I don't think we'll see Casey or maybe in the
skirt too much on court from here through.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Yeah, guys, listen, it was wonderful to talk to the
pair of you. Enjoy your sport this weekend. Jesus is
a lot going on that will be super fun. Adam
Cooper and Paul Allison our sports huddle. Heather text, Heather,
let's not forget the Kiwi's riding at the Badminton Horse
Trials and the UK dressarch continues tonight and into the
cross country tomorrow. The show jumping is on Sunday. Only
five events of this level of run per year, thank
you for that. Eight away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
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Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Heather is Nigel Farage having a good night and taken
the UK by storm? Or what actually fairpoint to make? Yes,
of course, because this is a lot of the elections,
the council elections and stuff going on at the moment.
This is the stuff that is going to come before
Kiir Starmer comes under some significant pressure possibly later today.
In the UK, Labor has lost control of seven councils.
Reform has gained more than three hundred seats as in

(01:03:55):
they are now sitting on three hundred and thirty two
seats and they are up three hundred and two seats
which is enormous, which I think it's about a quarter
of the seats that have be encountered, but I stand
to be corrected on that. Labor has kist Arm has
still got the backing of the Deputy Prime Minister David Lammy,
which probably counts for a fair bit. But Labor is
expecting to lose Wales and it has held Wales for

(01:04:17):
twenty seven years, so it's a pretty big night for
them anyway. So Gavin Gray will be with us with
absolutely the latest in an hour's time, five away from
six speaking a councils. Wherever you are in the country
right now, and whoever your counselors are, be grateful at
least you're not in Whitehucky, unless, of course you are
in White Tucky, in which case thoughts and prayers because
your counselors are trying to dick you. So it turns

(01:04:39):
out I've just had this drawn to my attention today
that there was a recent meeting of the White Tucky
District Council in which they decided that they were not
going to tell rate payers that rate payers had an
option of choosing nine percent rates rise. They weren't going
to tell them that they were not going to let
them consult on that. Now nine percent is actually like
for me, nine percent is a lot, right because I

(01:04:59):
live in Auklan. I think our Auckland rates increase this
year is seven point six and that's a record for Auckland, like,
that's outrageous for Auckland. So nine percent is a lot
for a lot of people, but it's not a lot
for y Tucky. Because the other three options that the
ratepayers have been told about are nineteen percent, twenty seven percent,
and forty five percent. I am not alying to you

(01:05:20):
without a word of a lie. That's what they've gone
to rate pays with. They are considering lifting the rates
by forty five percent, not over multiple years, over one year.
That's nutty. But the head and this is the thing
that is the most frustrating. Do you need any more
reason to hate councils? But forty five percent, they're like,
that's not crazy. Let's go to them with forty five percent.

(01:05:40):
Let's let's see if they want forty five percent. Twenty
seven percent, that's not crazy. Let's ask them if they
want to push up the rates by twenty seven percent.
Nineteen percent not crazy. Nine percent too crazy. Don't tell
them that. Don't tell them about the nine percent option
because nine percent would require I'm imagining significant cuts anyway.
All I would say to you, y Tucky, is you
still have democracy. You can vote, Matt, Do you know

(01:06:02):
what I think we need, do you know, in some
parts of the world to have recall, where like if
you vote somebody and then you're like, oh, that's a
lot worse than I expected, you can recall them. I reckon,
we need a bit of recall. A I'd be recalling left,
right and center, wouldn't you. Anyway, Heather just found out
about Mikey Sherman. Good job from Trevor. So yeah, I'm

(01:06:22):
getting a lot of tech traffic on it. By the way,
I think it's probably exceeding our expectations how much people
are interested in this. So Shane Curry of The Herald,
veteran reporter formerly an editor publisher of the Media Insider
on the Herald, he's with us next to tell us
what he thinks of this and whether this is a
punishment that's actually unduly harsh for what she did. Newstalk zb.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
What's up, what's down? What were the major calls? And
how will it affect the economy?

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
The big business questions on the Business Hour with Heather
do for c Allen and Matt, Insurance and investments.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
Your futures, A good heads us talk ZV.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Even coming up in the next hour. Peter Lewis is
going to talk us through how China ordering its companies
to ignore US sanctions is going to play. Barry Sober
will rap the political week that was in quite a
political week, and Gavin Gray will talk us through a
reform having a night of it in the council elections
in the UK. It's coming up eight past six now.
As we reported earlier, tedians It's political editor, Mikey Sherman

(01:07:26):
has quit. It follows a five day suspension from Parliament
for breaking press gallery rules and allegations of a slur
against another reporter at drinks in Nikola Willis's office. The
Herald's media insider and editor at large, Shane Curry is
with us now.

Speaker 22 (01:07:39):
High Shane, Good evening, Heather.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Technically the technical term is that she resigned, but really
she was pushed right well, I.

Speaker 22 (01:07:46):
Don't think she had a choice ultimately, and she Mikey
Sherman has said that herself in her statement today that
the position had become untenable. You have to completely agree
with that, while at the same time feeling sorry for her,
actually as I do. I think, you know, if the
next six or seven months, the intense kind of scrutiny
that she's endured in the last kind of two weeks especially,

(01:08:09):
I think that would only ramp up as we got
closer to the election. There was no sort of easy
out of this one. And so yeah, it's you know,
it's an unfortunate set of circumstances. Gosh, that TV and
ZED political editorship role is certainly one of you know,
high intensity, high scrutiny.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
I was going to ask you if it's a fair
punishment for her, but really it's not a punishment, is it.
It is simply an acknowledgment that after this, after what
has been claimed and what has apparently happened, you just
can't hold up the position.

Speaker 22 (01:08:38):
No, And what we don't know in terms of employment
processes is whether well Mikey herself, in a statement today,
says she did alert her boss the following day after
the Nikola Willis office incident, So you know, TVNZ management
what we're made aware of that incident early, so they
would have dealt with that either formally or informally. And
then of course there's been subsequent to that week we've

(01:09:00):
seen her suspension from Parliament for a separate incident involving
the National Party chief whips. So TV and Z were
very quick to issue a statement defending her on that.
So you wonder then was that part of an employment
process or not. But all of these things basically snowboard.
There were a couple of other alleged incidents as well,
involving other journalists, and really that's probably what discussion points

(01:09:24):
have been earlier in the week before getting to settlement. Discussion.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
How much do you reckon she's been paid out?

Speaker 22 (01:09:31):
A great question. She certainly, you know, in cases like this,
I would expect that she has received a payment and.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
That's why Linda Clarke was there right, Well.

Speaker 22 (01:09:45):
Yeah, there are there are both her and Linda Clark,
according to one source, was seen in a Wellington cafe
earlier this week. And of course Linda herself is a
former tv in political editor and now top lawyer. But
as I understand it, that kind of political editorship role
has a salary of around two hundred thousand, maybe just
a little over, so you know, I'd only be speculating

(01:10:09):
in terms of what sort of payments you would have got.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Now do you think I'm of the view that the
media is going to come into some significant pressure and
scrutiny and attack if you like during this election.

Speaker 22 (01:10:21):
What do you think we're already seeing it? And I think,
you know, the National Party is the most recent example
where it's part of a big playbook that's been very
successful in the States and to a lesser extent in
the UK, where you know the Act Party in New
Zealand first, up until now, I have had very effective

(01:10:41):
media strategies, both directly talking to audiences through social media,
but also playing the media is the bad guys, and
we've seen Krista ba Luxen sort of start taking on
that approach himself in recent times. I think it's a
real shame that politicians of either side of all sides
are not fronting up to specific shows, and we've seen

(01:11:02):
examples of that in recent years again from Labor and
National and so I think that just as we get
closer to the election, I think it's a real shame
that mass audiences aren't hearing from all sides. You know
that we're sort of falling into these echo chambers. We're
not having civilized debate about policy issues, and that's really

(01:11:22):
where the media needs to be playing that role and
observing and displaying all sides of arguments.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
I've got two questions for you. The first one is
did David Seymore take it too far by suggesting that
the boss of arn Z needs to go because he's
appointed John Campbell to a role which is supposed to
be impartial. But John Campbell is honest about the fact
that he votes left.

Speaker 22 (01:11:42):
Yeah, he's writing a fine line, that's for sure. And
of course, as well as Deputy Prime Minister, he's also
leader of the ACT Party and the act Party is
very strong that they don't want to see aren Z
in government hands. They think it should be basically privatized
and out there and competing in the commercial players. That's
that's a philosophical position obviously, but then as Deputy prime

(01:12:05):
minister's yearholding minister here has to be very careful. I
think probably the debate on that is more sort of
pointer where Paul Goldsmith this morning quite rightly says it's
the government's role to appoint the board members and in
the case of arn Z, from July the first all
seven r n Z board members will now be appointees

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under this coalition government and I think from there you
will you will actually see some changes at aren Z.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Who do you reckon? Who are you hearing might replace
Mikey Sherman at there as the pollad.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:12:40):
Look, I don't think it will be Benedict Collins. I
think I actually think they'll parachuter in Jason Waes, who's
you know, the former News Talk z, the political editor
and very experienced and wellanty. He's based in Auckland now
doing a good job for TV and deed I think
from here is that is the money editor and so
I personally think it will be him, but I have

(01:13:01):
no information to confirm that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
Well, it's just it's the easiest option, isn't It's totally
easy to do that, especially in election you with pressure
on Shane Good to talk to your mate, though.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
There's always Barry.

Speaker 22 (01:13:14):
You could always parachipe baryon.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
Not enough experience though, what do you think that's right?
And doesn't he like us to know that? Thank you
very much. Jane appreciated Shane Curry, who's at the Herald.
He does media insider editor at large. Of course, let
me give you the numbers INZID x fifty. Oh geez,
I need to tell you that the Marty Partick massive
problem there by the way, but I'll get to that
in the next half hour. INZIDEX fifty down zero point

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seven two percent today, a SX fifty down one point
six percent so far. Today barrel of Brent crude is
costing zero one one hundred and what sorry, one hundred
and one US dollars. That's up about one in a
quarter percent today. One New Zealand dollar is worth fifty
nine US cents eighty two Ozzie sends fifty one euro
sends forty four UK pens and ninety three yen. And
it's fourteen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
It's the Heather Duper c Allen Dry Full Show podcast
on my Heart Radio, empowered by Newstalk zeb.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
Here there isn't Linda Clark on the TV and Z board.
No she's not. But there is a thing about that
that is quite interesting. So I'll come back to it
when I get time. Six seventeen, let's wrap the political
week that was right now though with Barrisopa, our senior
political correspondent. Welcome back, Barry, thank you, Heather.

Speaker 6 (01:14:19):
Nice to be here again.

Speaker 20 (01:14:20):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
So, if I mean Winston's not going to say yes
to the super super changes, is he.

Speaker 6 (01:14:25):
Well no, he never will.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
It's not going to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
It's well see that's interesting.

Speaker 6 (01:14:30):
I mean, Winston's always taken a very strong as we
heard earlier, it's taking a very strong stance. Maybe he
should look at what's happening abroad, though, And I think
if you look at the UK, they're moving to sixty
seven before the pension's paid. The United States, Donald Trumps
been receiving the pension for obviously a long time. Sixty seven. France, interestingly,

(01:14:54):
it's moving from sixty two to sixty four, so pretty generous,
but generally it is sixty five like it is in
this country. But I think what you may see, because
the NATS haven't said how they're going to afford superannuation
in the future, you may see means testing brought back again.

(01:15:15):
And I personally think that's not a bad idea. Being
a pension of myself, you know, I wouldn't mind the
men's testing, mayor is to see whether I needed or
you know, I needed at a reduced rate. And you
remember the no if snow but snow maybe's of Jim
Bolgia when he came into power, saying he'll scrap the

(01:15:35):
means test on superressure and superannuation. Didn't do it because
the Bank of New Zealand needed bailing out, so that
was his excuse. But look, it's always been a political football,
this one. I think it's time for a bipartisan approach
to it because the country can't go on paying at
the same rate they're doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
The listen just really quickly, because of course we have
just talked to Shane Curry about the said Naise not A,
but we did talk to him a lot just now
about the BSA. How do you feel about the BSA
bank scratch.

Speaker 6 (01:16:03):
I think it's fantastic. Look, I think it's a totally
wasted space. And when you heard the hilarious clip that
he that Paul Henry thought, I thought it was a
funny joke. And yet the BSA can I told.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
You something about that. So I was talking to one
of my editors because of course I work for the
Herald on Sunday a little bit as well, and I
was talking to one of the editors who works in print,
and I said, what do you think about the b
He was like, the Media Council, which is what we
will now all join instead, he was like, the Media
Council would not even have heard that. They would have
triarged it out and said, this is not worth our
time to be deciding whether Paul Henry is funny or not.

Speaker 6 (01:16:39):
Guys, it is ridiculous and some of the decisions, I mean,
they've ruled against me, I dare say in the past,
but look, some of their decisions are patently ridiculous.

Speaker 17 (01:16:50):
And to me, the.

Speaker 6 (01:16:53):
Fact that they are going to do away with them
is a great thing. And I'll tell you what, It'll
be seen as something of a triumph for all. Sure
one on the platformer his crowning glory working for me
some years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Oh lord you Sean And okay, now do you know
what something happened in the announcement about the amalgamation? I
just reckon the government botched this announcement this week about
the local council's amalgamation. I think they overcomplicated. It hardly
got the adulation it deserves, don't you think?

Speaker 12 (01:17:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:17:27):
It was interesting, isn't it? Because I don't think people
really grasp what the government had in fact been saying,
So do the job, or we'll do it for you.
It'll be interesting to see what happens. But certainly, if
you listen to Chris Bishop, the very the hell bent
on getting it done and probably the side of the election,

(01:17:48):
so we'll just see.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
I don't think they can get it done.

Speaker 6 (01:17:50):
No, I express my doubts on the day that it
was announced. I don't think they will either.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
But nevertheless, can I ask you a question, though, do
you think that because beforehand the play was that Chris
Bishop was going to do a very long play to
get the amalgamation done right, he was going to try
to first strip the regional councils of their elective members
and then they're going to be their boards of mayors
and then over time it would morph into amalgamation. Instead,
he's just sped that right up and gone right, we're amalgamating,

(01:18:16):
let's not tack about. Is that an indication do you
think that he realizes he might not be back in
November on National's current polling and he needs to get
the work done now.

Speaker 6 (01:18:25):
Well, it depends on how adamant he is, I guess,
and you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Know how he I have heard this. I've heard that
he is rushing work at the moment to get it
done before he's out. Potentially.

Speaker 6 (01:18:36):
Look, I don't think that would be the reason. I
don't think anybody would look at their career and say
I might not get this done, so you know we
must get it done now. I don't think that would
be the reason. But when you've got seventy eight councils
in a country of five million, that's over and above
your normal central government. It's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
You know what I was thinking. I took Judith Collins
to task for saying that the country doesn't like STO
and I thought about a lot more and I thought,
it's even more ridiculous that she said this because she
has become in her time, a member of Parliament, a
cabinet minister, the leader of her party, the Attorney General.
Now she's got the Law Commision Shop a strong woman.

(01:19:15):
That is a great CV and indicates that we do
like strong women absolutely.

Speaker 6 (01:19:20):
I don't know why jud have said that, because she
would see herself if you talk to her. I'd long
yarn to her recently at a function that I was
at and talked to her, and you know, she certainly
is a very strong woman, and he left to no
doubt about that when you have a yarn to her.
So I don't know why she made a statement like that,
because I think strong women are very much valued in

(01:19:42):
this country, and you know. Fortunately with many of the
appointments these days going to women, senior appointment appointments, I
think the country is heading in a very good direction.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
Check you feminist, Okay, thank you, Barry, appreciate it. Barry Soper,
Senior political correspondent, rapping the political week.

Speaker 9 (01:19:59):
That was right.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
I'm going to get across the Maori Party developments next
six to twenty three.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics. It's all
on the Business Hour with Heather du for SILA and
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Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
The Green local councilor is are going off their little
green bikes on Facebook around the amalgamation of local councils.
They see the gravy train puffing off into the past,
which is about time. Jonathan read my column in two
days in the Herald on Sunday. Unfortunately, the gravy train
is not ending anytime soon. I'm sorry to say, but
I still am happy to see the amalgamation. Now let
me get you across this stuff. Is reporting that the

(01:20:37):
Maori Party is falling apart. Apparently three of their MP's
at least thinking about breaking away, So Hannah aftimp Clark,
which is the She's the one who did the hacker.
She's really the star of the party. She's been speaking
to her elector at, her supporters and her EWI about
whether she should leave the Maori Party. Maria men Orkapa
Kingi won the court battle to be reinstated into the party,
but actually isn't working with them at all. She is

(01:20:58):
still sharing an office with Tuck Kouter Ferris, who's the
other MP that they kicked out. His entire electric committee
has quit the party this week. The tet Ta Tunga
Electric Committee resigned in its entirety, apparently because they back
him still even though he's not in the party. And
that's significant because the ore the people who are responsible
for choosing the next candidate, which means that the Marti

(01:21:19):
Party doesn't just need to find a candidate, it also
needs to find the party infrastructure to find the candidate. Now,
apparently stuff is hearing that insiders reckon there's a real
chance that the MP's from the Marti Party could team
up to campaign under a new party name in this election.
There is one other MP left other than the leadership obviously,
who is or any kaiper. She has already publicly backed

(01:21:42):
mariamnal Kapa Kingi when Maririam mental Kapa Kingi was kicked
out of the party, so it wouldn't be crazy if
she also defects, which means that you would be left
with only John Palmerheada as the president, his son in
law Debbie, his son in Laurwi as party co leader,
and then the other lead Debingaro Wapacker. He doesn't say
a lot, does it rarely? Six twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 10 (01:22:12):
I had rather thought that I would celebrate my one
hundredth birthday quietly, but it seems that many of you
have had other ideas.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
You know who that is. It is, of course, the conservationist,
the animal lover and the all round legend, Sir David Attenborough.
Now he is such a good conservationist. He's managed to
conserve himself until he reached the age of one hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
Yay.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
Now, I was complaining earlier that his birthday present was
a bit stink because he just got a species of
wasp named after him, But to be fair, he actually
has fifty something animals and plants named after him. He's
got the Platysaurus Attinborough Attinburgery, which is a very pretty
little lizard with a blue bealley. They named it after
him because the blue balley kind of matches his trademark
blue short sleeve shirt. We've actually got something for him.

(01:22:57):
In New Zealand. We've got one of the Burgundy snails
into what the burgundy snail scientific name bear with me
Atambrarian ruby kundus. And in the plant world, he's got
Attenborough's picture plant, which is one of the ones that
looks like a big picture, like a big jug and
can trap and eat small animals. He's got a tree
that blooms pretty pink flowers called the Sir David ere Solenona.

(01:23:19):
How good is that, Sir David Legend, Happy birthday. Peter
Lewis is with us next.

Speaker 8 (01:23:27):
We only got today.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
You got.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the business hour
with the head, the dupic Alan and mass insurance and investments.
Your futures in good hands. Used talks, it'd be I
know it's.

Speaker 8 (01:23:46):
Been a bup.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
Keep thinking there's some fud.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
Tell you this the tape face has leaked to some
course he has so today at three five, Sandy, who
is the chief executive at Dunedin City Council, emailed him
about the fact that he keeps on leaking things and
an hour later he leaked that to what am I
trying to say? Several media outlets as well, so it

(01:24:14):
was predictable. So basically what Sandy has done is he
is now restricted on the information that he's allowed to access,
so no more confidential email information firm. He's allowed to
attend all council meetings as usual in his role as
an elected member, and he will provided normal access to
council agendas and papers where theur are open to the public,
but he will not have any confidential information given to

(01:24:36):
him in the Council hub, which is known as the
Big Tin. Can don't ask because I actually don't know.
He would be able to view public, excluded and confidential
agenda items for council meetings in hard copy form only
he's not allowed to take a copy away, he is
not allowed to take photographs of the items and he
will be supervised. So I don't know. Dunedin, are you

(01:24:57):
still proud of him? Twenty two away from seven. Peter
Lewis Asia Business correspondent with US Alopizia, Hello Heather. So
has China ordered its companies to ignore those sanctions ship
by the US.

Speaker 23 (01:25:07):
It has, so it's providing an interesting backdrop to next
week's meeting between Donald Trump and President Chi Jinping. This
relates to China buying Iranian oil. China's the biggest buyer
of sanctioned Iranian oil. Now, what would normally happen under
this sanctions regime that the US is put in place

(01:25:29):
is that Chinese companies, that any Chinese companies that do
business with these Iranian oil refiners, these Chinese oil refineries,
would also get sanctioned. Now that's particularly risky for the
banks because if Chinese banks were to provide financial services
to these companies, they too could end up being sanctioned

(01:25:52):
by the US and get cut off from the US
financial system and its ability to access dollars. And that
would be a very big issue for any bank, but
particularly large sort of Chinese banks. And what has happened
in the past is that China has quietly in the
background told its companies to comply. But this time it's

(01:26:14):
taking a much more assertive posture and telling its companies
to ignore these sanctions that the US doesn't have the
right to do this. China's long complained about what it
calls the US long armed jurisdiction. But this is important
to see what happens next, because will Donald Trump now
go and enforce those sanctions knowing that it is due

(01:26:37):
to being Beijing next Thursday and Friday meeting with President
Jijing Ping, And if he were, it could potentially scuffer
that meeting. Although I have to say I'm still not
convinced any way that that meeting is going to go
ahead because it seems a very risky prospect for Xijinping
to welcome Donald Trump to Beijing while a war is

(01:26:59):
going going on. Then it would hamper his ability to
criticize the US handling of the war while it's there.
But nevertheless, it's an interesting confluence of events at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
So what do you think.

Speaker 10 (01:27:12):
I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
Obviously as Usienping is framing this up as we're pushing
back on the political pressure of the US, But is
it actually just to be able to continue to access
that oil that they really need.

Speaker 23 (01:27:23):
Well, they do need it, but at the same time,
China has got the world's biggest oil reserves. It's got
one year's worth of oil, so it could easily sit
it out for a while if it couldn't access that
Iranian oil at all. And of course there are other
places it could go to buy oil. Albeit the Iranian

(01:27:46):
oil and the oil that flows through the Middle East
is an important source of its purchases. But out of
all the economies in the world, and certainly out of
the Asian economies, China is best positioned to be.

Speaker 3 (01:27:59):
Able to deal with the war in Iran.

Speaker 23 (01:28:03):
And also, of course it's got it's been the world
leader in developing alternative sources of energy. I mean, if
you go to Beijing or Shanghai now, it's just incredible.
You know, everything is running on electricity. You barely see
a petrol car these days in the big cities. And
it really has been at the forefront of sourcing wind water,

(01:28:29):
other sources of power and energy.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
What do you reckon the message was Iran when the
Foreign minister was there.

Speaker 23 (01:28:38):
I think what China is trying to do is to
sort of position itself as being able to do something
about solving big global conflicts like this. We know that
the Foreign Minister met Wang Yi. They made all the
usual sort of statements about how they want this war

(01:28:58):
to end sort of easefully. But China is a very
very big global power now. It's certainly an enormous economic power.
It has political clout, it has enormous defense capabilities, but
it has never really used that in the past to
try and get involved in global disputes and in particular

(01:29:21):
to try and sort them out.

Speaker 3 (01:29:23):
And it does have clout.

Speaker 23 (01:29:24):
It certainly has influence over Iran, It has good relationships
with the Gulf States, and Jijimping has been trying his
best not to antagonize Donald Trump and keep a decent
relationship there. So this is really the time now for
China to show does it want with all that economic clout,
to be a force for good in the world and

(01:29:47):
to actually be able to do something constructive and positive
rather than just talking and saying, you know, we want
to see this resolved peacefully.

Speaker 8 (01:29:55):
What is it exactly going to do?

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
Yeah, very good point. Hey, thank you very much. Peter
has always really she had having a chat to you mate.
That's Peter Lewis, Asia Business correspondent seventeen away from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:30:04):
Heather duper c ellens so on.

Speaker 2 (01:30:06):
The subject of electricity and oil and stuff, the buyup
of the EV's in this country that you know, after
the war in Iran, obvious everybody went nuts and and
bought themselves an EV. It slowed down a little bit,
but it is still doing. The EV's are still doing
pretty well compared to this time last year. So last
month a total of about one thousand and five electric
vehicles were registered. That is less than half of the
twenty four hundred and twenty two that we had in

(01:30:26):
March when we were going nutso but it's still up
two hundred and twenty seven on the same month last year.
Same is true for plug in hybrids, eight hundred and
fifty seven registered last month, down from what it was
the month before when we were going nuts that was
fourteen hundred and thirty nine, but it's still four times
more than what was registered in the year the same
month year before. In April, the best selling EV was

(01:30:49):
the j Coup J five, which has just been launched.
And then you had, honestly, I've like no idea what
these cars are the j Coup J five. Then it
was the Zeke there are seven seven X, the Tesla
model why we all know, the Kiev three in the
dong Fung box. And then in the hybrids, you had
the Mitsubishi Outlander at the top, and then My Girl,

(01:31:09):
the BYD Shark six, and then the BYD Sea Line five,
and then the Mitsubishi eclips crossing, then the BYDC Line eight.
But so put this all into context for you, despite
the fuel prices, despite all the hype about buying the
plug in hybrids and the electrics. The top selling cars
in this country for the month of April the Ford Ranger,

(01:31:30):
the Toyota Highlux, the Toyota rav four. Sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
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Speaker 3 (01:31:46):
Us talks'd be ah right.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
It's thirteen away from seven. Gavin Gray, our UK correspondent,
is with us on a night of drama for the
UK High Gavin, Hi, they right, how well is reform doing?

Speaker 10 (01:31:58):
Then?

Speaker 24 (01:31:59):
Yeah, pretty well.

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
It's still very early days.

Speaker 24 (01:32:02):
We've had the local council elections in England, but we
are also having the decision for the Scottish and Welsh
governments now. The voting for those two big big things,
the Scottish and Welsh governments don't begin for another hour
and a bit. They were going to count overnight, but
they're not going to do that to save money. But

(01:32:23):
already the results in of the local council elections here
in England do suggest a major.

Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
Swing to Reform.

Speaker 24 (01:32:31):
So far, Reform is up more than three hundred and
fifty seats from a standing start. Remember this is the
new upstart party, the well right of center party, Nigel
Farage's party, the Brexit architect Labor has been massively hit overnight,
the party of government. That's why I've been calling it
sekre Starmer Starma drama overnight, because he's been doing really badly.

(01:32:54):
The Conservatives, the main party of opposition, who were in
power of course until a couple of years back. They
have lost seats, but perhaps not as badly as they
might have feared. And if this trend continues with the
counting in Scotland and Wales, it could well be that
there is a plot to oust secure Starmer sooner rather
than later.

Speaker 10 (01:33:14):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
So, some of the commentary I've read is that, yeah,
look at is Bard for Labor, like it's undoubtedly it's
just so bad, but it's maybe not bad enough to
trigger the move on Stammer.

Speaker 24 (01:33:25):
What do you think at the moment that what I'm
hearing has some very very discontented Labour MPs some movement
from his main rivals saying we've just mad so many missteps,
so many U turns, We're not appealing to people. Labour's
been in the very difficult position and it's being squeezed
from both sides. So the Green Party has become quite

(01:33:48):
a left wing party. It's taking the labor left and
on the right you've got Reform UK of course, as
people drift into concerns about immigration and are burgeoning and
massively ultiplying benefits bill. So that's why Labour squeezed from
that point. But I think we are definitely seeing the
end of two party politics here in the UK.

Speaker 8 (01:34:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
Interesting, Hey, what's happened with the Springe academic?

Speaker 24 (01:34:13):
Well, this is a very very funny story in that
somebody decided that they could set up their own kind
of Nobel style prize for philology. Philology is the study
of language through texts, and this French academic from Eastern
France managed to get the Gold Medal of Philology In

(01:34:35):
twenty sixteen. There was a ceremony held at the National
Assembly in Paris, attended by ministers and Nobel laureates. But
the prize was complete fiction, as was the body that
supposedly awarded it to the International Society of Philology. Both
had apparently been dreamed up by yes, you guessed it,
the academic who won the prize in order to simply

(01:34:57):
sort of add on and buff up his academic credential.
An investigation has begun, deeply embarrassing for the Thrench authorities
to find that they were duped not just by one person,
but by one person who had given himself the prize
from a fictitious organization.

Speaker 2 (01:35:11):
Brilliant.

Speaker 20 (01:35:11):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
Hey, Gavin, thank you very much. Enjoy the rest of
your council elections will be a bit of fun for you.
That's Gavin Gray, UK correspondent. Hey, this is dumb, isn't it.
I read this this morning. I thought this is dumb.
The Ministry of Educations put a notice up on its
website telling schools not to let the kids take home
the leftover free lunches. It's worried about food safety. I mean, Cameron,
ninety nine percent of the time you can leave the

(01:35:32):
chicken out longer than they say you can. It'll be fine.
Let them take it home. What are you doing? They're
there hungry at the meter onin Away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:35:40):
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Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
Right, Well, come back to a text that I said
I would come back to the text. Isn't Linda Clark
on the TV and Z board?

Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
Bleir raises a fair point. She was on the TV
and Z board. She's no longer on the TV and
Z board. But you have to ask a question about this, right, So,
five minutes ago, Linda was on the TV and Z
board and knew all the TV and Z secrets because
that's what happens when you're on the TV and Z board.
Nick Minnah, she's representing Mikey Sherman and presumably, I don't know,

(01:36:14):
maybe helping her to get a payout. How helpful is
it to know what the payouts were while you were
on the board when you're helping somebody else to get
a payout.

Speaker 8 (01:36:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:36:23):
I mean, I just feel like there's a should there
be a hot little stand down there for five minutes
before you're taking a cracket at the guys who were
giving your money to be on the board just before
just saying I don't know as a taxpayer who's interested
in getting a maximum dividend out a TV and Z
on the subject of which, by the way, I've got
another BSA decision for you. They have cleared Scottie Stevenson

(01:36:45):
for saying that a cricket club was casually deleting a
bunch of tins, which means getting on the sauce, going large,
tying one on, getting boozed, hitting the ras, pushing the
boat out, pushing the out, etc. He said it during
a black Caps Test match against the West Indies in
December last year, and during the match, which was being

(01:37:06):
played on TV and Z Duke, the camera focused on
more members of a local cricket club celebrating a premiership
when on the bank and some spectators were surrounded by
beer cans and others were holding the beer cans up
for the camera and scott he said he was all
for the group casually deleting a bunch of tins on
a Monday afternoon, and then he and Mark Richardson had
some banter about whether the players should actually be at
work the complainant, Joseph Brownlee Smith, Joseph come on, Joseph.

(01:37:31):
Joseph argued the broadcast promoted irresponsible drinking and brought the
Cricket Club into distribute. He noted TV and Z oh.
He noted New Zealand is dramatically affected by a binge
drinking culture, which is true actually, and TV and Z
is a state broadcaster, had a responsibility to avoid endorsing
such behavior, particularity younger viewers. The BSA. Surprisingly for the
BSA actually saw some common sense and said the segment

(01:37:53):
did amount to the advocacy of alcohol consumption and it
was socially responsible within the context of a live sports broadcast.
This is why we are happy to see the back
of the BSA because stuff like that, because I don't know,
I mean, like in the end, Scotty won. But you
will not believe the amount of admin and paperwork that
has to go into defending Scotty for this when something
like this should just not be considered, like the BSA

(01:38:14):
should just go Look, it's the BSA's job to consider it,
but you prefer it you know another organization who go, no,
what you're complaining? Because he said that they are drinking
booze nap off. That's what I'm into. I'm into that
future where that happens as.

Speaker 13 (01:38:30):
A home to us by Paul McCartney and Ringo Starter
Players out to Night. This is brand spanking you just
dropped a couple of hours ago. It's actually the first
ever proper vocal duet that Ringo Starr and Paul McCartney
have ever done. Obviously they made music together for a
very long time when they were both in the Beatles,
but this one, it's for Paul's upcoming album, The Boys
of Dungeon Lane, which is coming out at the end

(01:38:51):
of the month. And it started out with basically Ringo
Star sent Paul a drum track, and Paul took that
drum track and then he made the rest of the
true recorded it into a demo, sent it back to Ringo.
Ringo then had to listen to it, sang a couple
of lines of the chorus, and then sent that back
to Paul, and Paul was like, no, no, no, no,
go on, mate, we won't just have you on a
couple of lines of the chorus. We'll do a proper

(01:39:12):
do it. I'll do one line, you do the next line.
We'll do the whole thing together. So yeah, as its
resulted in this home to Us with the vocals of
both Paul McCartney and Ringo Star, and it will be
on Paul's new album, The Boys of Dungeon Lane, coming
out on May twenty nine.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
Fascinating way of doing it. Thanks for that and appreciate it.
Hate Split ends on Sunday. I might casually delete symptoms.

Speaker 25 (01:39:33):
See you on Monday, Loveday, buddy.

Speaker 3 (01:40:00):
Ask you.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
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