Full Show Podcast: 08 September 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
get the answers, find the facts, and give the analysis.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Heather Duplessy Allen Drive. With One New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Awarded New Zealand's best mobile network.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Afternoon. Welcome to the show. Coming up today, as we predicted,
the bed tax is being replaced with money from the
international visitor levy for the regional councils. We're going to
speak to the minister about that. We're going to go
to a reporter in Rotorua on the news of a
man charged over three deaths. And yet another mine faces
yet another protest. This time it's the Stockton mine, so
we'll go to Westport for that.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Heather Dupacy-Allen.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Tell you what, you think Wellington doesn't have enough problems already,
let me tell you about the new one, Wellington Zoo.
Wellington Zoo needs $ 14 million for the lion pen. It
is urgent, it is not something that can be deferred.
Wellington City Council needs to cough up the money. Also,
Wellington Zoo may not be a going concern as early
as mid-next year, which means that Wellington Council will have

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to cough up again. And it will probably... the zoo
be in deficit to the tune of a quarter of
a million dollars next year and then in deficit the
following year and then in deficit the following year and
who knows what happens after that. The problem is Wellington
City Council doesn't have money. It doesn't have money for
the essentials like poo pipes and Wellington homes are already
paying some of the highest rates in the country to

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the extent that pensioners are thinking about selling up their
houses because they cannot afford the rates anymore. And to
that extent, and to the extent that depending on who
you talk to, the rates are also killing business. The
commercial rates are killing some of Wellington's businesses now. So
Wellington City Council does not have money for the Lions.
And there is something really weird going on with the

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way that Wellington Zoo is run. Despite its revenue per
visitor actually being the highest in the country, it outstrips
Auckland Zoo. Its council subsidy, the money they have to
put in for every visitor going in, is four times
what Auckland Council puts in. Auckland Council puts in five bucks.
Wellington Council puts in 21 bucks. The cost per species
is considerably more than in Auckland Zoo, Hamilton Zoo, or

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in Christchurch. Now, the problem, of course, is Wellington Zoo
cannot close. Like, that is not really an option, is it?
Because modern cities have zoos, and for very good reason,
which is that the kiddies love them. I hate them,
but the kids love them. So I took the kids
to Auckland Zoo on Saturday to see the Tasmanian Devil
and the Ostrich, and it was apparently the highlight of
the weekend. But I think Wellington City Council, because it
can't close the zoo down, has to be brutal. It

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will have to always put money in because most zoos
in the country require subsidies, but it should demand from
the zoo in a way that it hasn't clearly up
to now that its finances are turned around and that
all commercial opportunities are explored because that lion enclosure will
not be the last expense. And you cannot justify spending
money on entertainment like zoos when you are not spending

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enough money on wastewater plants so that raw poo flows
into the sea. 9292 is the text number we will
discuss with a huddle when they are with us. Now,
Labour's outlined their climate policy today. It looks like they
will not be charging farmers for emissions and they want
to mix up the ETS because that's clearly not working.

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And to talk that through, we have, can you believe it,
the Labour leader, Chris Hipkins. Hello, Chippy.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
G'day, Heather.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
How are you?

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Very well, thank you. It's good to have you on
the show. Now, why are you not putting the farmers
in the ETS?

Speaker 4 (03:18):
We want to reduce emissions from farming, but we want
to do that in the easiest way possible. So there's
new technology coming on stream. Farmers can reduce their emissions
by using new technology to reduce the amount of synthetic
fertilizer that they're using to use irrigation more effectively in
a more targeted way. And we want to work with
farmers to make that happen. A price should only be

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a last mechanism. You know, it's your backstop. It's the
thing that you do if everything else fails. There are
other ways of achieving the goal.

Speaker 5 (03:45):
Right.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
When did you guys release Hewaka Ekinor, which was Labour
and the Greens' big policy for putting the farmers into
the ETS, essentially? When did that happen?

Speaker 4 (03:54):
I think it might have been in the first term
that we were in government, so it would have been
between 2017 and 2020.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Okay, so let's say it was around about 2019, because
that kind of rings a bell for me. What technology
has come on stream since 2019 that is such a
game-changer you don't have to do this anymore?

Speaker 4 (04:10):
Well, there's vaccinations. So if you look at some of
the stuff that's happening around vaccination and boluses that can
significantly reduce the emissions that are coming from cows, that's
all technology that's actually been developed with funding from our government.
We put money in to do that. There's new technology
being more widely deployed, like halter collars, for example, that
are making a real difference to the effectiveness of farming.

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They can get much greater productivity. They can reduce the
amount of synthetic fertilizer they're using. The new technology around
the probes that they're putting in around how they use
irrigation is also making a big difference. So there are
new technologies. The AgriZero, which we funded as a government,
is coming up with quite a lot of innovation in

(04:52):
that area. And I think, well, I want to back that.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
That methane vaccine, is that good to go?

Speaker 4 (04:58):
It's very close. It's very, very close. So they've had
some very, very successful results.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
The point I'm trying to get to is that there's
actually nothing significant that has changed since 2019. So this
is just basically you guys realising this is politically never
going to fly, is it?

Speaker 4 (05:14):
Well, it's not just that. It's also, you know, we
went through the whole Hawaka Ekanola process and it would
have been very, very difficult to implement a farm gate
price on methane emissions. So we went through that whole process.
It actually would have been very difficult to pull it off,
even if, you know, any government had decided to go
ahead with it.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
Why did you do it then?

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Well, look, that was all done before I became the
leader of the Labour Party. I inherited that one. And
that was one of the things that I was looking
very closely at before the election.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
And, you know, I'm not convinced it would have worked.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
No, it wouldn't have. Thank you. Welcome to reality and
joining the rest of us. Now, what is your plan
with the ETS? You want to lift the carbon price,
do you?

Speaker 4 (05:51):
No, we want to make sure that we're not trying
to plant a whole lot more pine trees on productive
land because that's what the ETS is driving at the moment.
We've got to reduce our emissions overall. We're not going
to offset our way out of things by basically just
planting pine trees on what is otherwise very productive farm
and growing land. We've actually got to change that dynamic.

(06:13):
We can't just plant pine trees everywhere.

Speaker 6 (06:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
So how do you do that, though? Do you lift
the carbon price?

Speaker 4 (06:20):
Well, in time, the problem is at the moment, if
the carbon price goes up, all that's going to do
is result in even more farmland being swamped with pine trees.
The National Party, for a long time, have been aiming
to lift the carbon price. This is not something that's new.
It's been a long-standing goal of successive governments that over
time the carbon price will rise. That's how you actually
bring down emissions. The National Party, when they say they

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want the ETS to do the heavy lifting, to do
the heavy lifting, that means over time the carbon price
goes up. But at the moment, if the carbon price
goes up, as long as forestry is still in there,
as long as exotic forests like pine trees are still
in there, it's not going to solve the problem. It's
just going to result in more pine trees being planted.

Speaker 7 (06:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Now, Chippy, I watched your press conference after your big
climate speech today, and I thought, geez, you look bummed out. Like,
you look really flat. Is that because of how crap
the polling is?

Speaker 4 (07:09):
No, not at all. We're feeling pretty pumped up and
ready for a very vigorous election campaign.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
What do you put that down to, how crap the
polling is?

Speaker 4 (07:20):
Oh, look, the National Party have been telling a lot
of lies about the Labour Party. We'll be pushing back
more firmly on that. And we will be talking a
lot more about what we are going to do instead.
So you'll see more policy announcements coming from us. I
hear that. People want to hear more about what we're
going to do instead. And we're going to be telling
you a lot more about that.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
I reckon you're on track to, I don't know, I
reckon 25. I reckon 25 would be a good result
for you on November 7. What do you think?

Speaker 4 (07:45):
Oh, look, you shouldn't listen to the National Party's pollsters
quite so much.

Speaker 8 (07:48):
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
I'm just going with my gut and, you know, women's intuition, etc.
Where do you think you end up?

Speaker 4 (07:54):
I think we're going to do significantly better than that,
and we're going to be in the government after the
November election.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
New Zealanders want change. New Zealanders want change. They know
we can't afford three more years of this. Look at
the mess they're making in the health system. People are
literally dying in hospital emergency departments.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Look, I agree with you. Your sentiment is right. New
Zealanders want change, but I don't think they want change
to you. That's your problem.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
Well, we've got plenty of campaigning ahead of us. It's
our opportunity to convince New Zealanders that we can deliver
the change that we need. We can fix the crisis
in our health system. We can make practical changes that
will help Kiwis with the cost of living. And we
can get the country back to work. National wants to
cut 9,000 more jobs. There's going to be a huge
economic impact for that. We can't afford three more years

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of this government.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Now, Chippy, why has it been so hard for us
to get you on the show in the last week?
What's going on?

Speaker 4 (08:42):
I'm just a busy person, Heather, but I'm always happy
to come on your show when the schedule allows it.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
What kind of total, silent, secret meetings were you in yesterday?
You couldn't even take your phone in, so your press
set couldn't even text you and ask you if you
could come on the show.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
Look, I have plenty of meetings, Heather, and when I'm available,
I'm certainly happy.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
To come on your show. You don't take your phone
into meetings?

Speaker 4 (09:06):
Generally, when I'm meeting with people, I pay attention to
them rather than sitting there on my phone.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
Okay, well, I suppose that's quite polite. Hey, Chippy, thank you,
and I appreciate you coming on the show today. Chris Hipkins,
Labour Party leader. Peter Vlandys, really quickly, just an update.
What did you think? Was that worth it from Chippy?
I quite enjoyed that. I like Chippy for as nutty
as his ideas are, some of them. I quite like
having a little chat with him from time to time.
Peter Vlandys, really quickly, has basically confirmed that the Warriors

(09:34):
are going to be forced to move to Eden Park
for week three. He said, I'd say you'd be 90% sure.
That will be going to Eden Park for week three.
And we've discussed it with the club. They would like
to stay at Mount Smart, but they realise that if
all goes to plan, they're going to have a massive
audience and they'll be accommodated for Eden Park. So basically
what happens is week one, if they win, they get
to rest week two. So if you've got tickets for

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Mount Smart this weekend, it could be the last time.
If they win... it's the last time you're seeing them
at Mount Smart for the rest of the season. 17
past four. You can hear it in Hipkins' voice. He's flat.
He's deflated. Sounds like a flat tire. Go and look.

(10:17):
If you can be bothered, go and have a look
at footage from the press conference today. He looks so flat.
And the problem with Chippy is we've known him too long,
so we can see it when he's deflated. And I
don't think I've seen him that deflated in a very
long time, 20 past four.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Sport with Generate. Putting performance first.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
GenerateKiwisaver.co.nz Darcy Watergrave, host of Sports Talkers with us.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Hey, Darcy.

Speaker 10 (10:39):
Hey, how you doing?

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Yeah, I'm good, mate. So Liam Lawson, he's got the seat.

Speaker 11 (10:44):
Yeah, he has.

Speaker 10 (10:45):
Isaac Hedger, still that hairline fracture. Hasn't expanded and turned
into a canyon, but they're afraid of that. So he's
not going to be running in Madrid. Interesting old race
this weekend. No one knows what's going to happen. It's
a learning track for everybody. So we hope that Liam Lawson,
after a pretty average time at Monza, I mean, he
got rolled by his partner in the form of Max

(11:07):
Verstappen when he tried to help him out. He crashed
into someone, hit the start from the back of the grid.
underwhelming experience at Monza but Madrid this is going to
be very interesting circuit and he's a pretty quick learner
as Liam Lawson so a lot of responsibility on him
not to stick it into the scenery the wall or
any of the other drivers as well but really pleased

(11:27):
for him and the Lawson family that they get another crack.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Yeah cool hey are you at Warriors Training?

Speaker 10 (11:33):
Well, I was at Warriors training, and now I'm in
Peter's Uber with Billy and Kobe and Corbin, and we've
just come back from there. They are lovely boys.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
They are lovely boys. Okay, but the other boys, was
Dallin running? Is he going to be playing?

Speaker 10 (11:48):
No, well, he didn't come up to the lounge. We
were having interviews. We were up there talking to all
the players. They rolled them all out for all the
media because they're going to be presented on Grata as
of tomorrow. They'll be hiding them. at Mountain Smart, so
they're fully prepped. So we got to chat with a
few of the players, you know, talk a bit of
this and a bit of that, and I've decided that

(12:11):
James Fisher-Harris is even scarier in the flesh than he
is on the park.

Speaker 5 (12:15):
Honestly, Heather, his eyes.

Speaker 12 (12:17):
Look straight through you.

Speaker 10 (12:18):
You swear that he's looking at the back of your
head through your eyeballs and your brain.

Speaker 12 (12:22):
It's quite extraordinary, but.

Speaker 10 (12:24):
I tried to be as cool as a cucumber.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
It didn't work.

Speaker 10 (12:26):
But anyway, so I've had lots of little conversations with
lots of players around, including Adam Pompey. I think we'll
hear from Adam Pompey tonight on the show as well.
So lots to talk about. It's a big finals week.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Good on you, mate. Enjoy the Uber ride with the
rest of the boys. It's Darcy Watergrave, Sports Talk host, 422.

Speaker 9 (12:43):
Accountability.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Analysis. Answers. Hear what matters.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
It's Heather Duplessy-Allen Drive with One New Zealand. Awarded New
Zealand's best mobile network. Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Heather, after six years of absolutely screwing farmers over, Labour
now wants to be friendly to farmers. What a slimeball. Hey,
what do you reckon is worse? What do you reckon
is worse? That he walked away from the principal or
that he walked away from the principal telling you that
he's walking away from the principal because when he was
going to do the thing, they knew that it wasn't
going to work. Like that to me is worse because
didn't we say that at the time? We're like, this

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is not going to work, Cindy. It's not going to work.
Don't do it. It's a bad idea. And they plowed
on with it until, of course, it didn't work. And
now he's admitting they kind of knew it all along. Anyway,
what can you do about it? It is what it is.
The king has shut down. Jesus, I'll tell you what,
it's hard to be Harry and Meghan at the moment.
Talk about rejection. King has shut down any hopes that
they may have had of resuming royal duties. He sent

(13:38):
out a letter to government and military officials in a
bid to, he says, avoid doubt or confusion. So he's
told them, just told everybody. that the couple are no
longer working royals and that they are not to call
Hazza and Meza, his and her royal highness, their private citizens,
which I think probably sucks deeply for them because they
love the titles, especially Meghan loves the titles. We're going

(14:01):
to have a chat to Victoria Arbiter after quarter past five.
She'll tell us what's brought this on. 4.26, can I
tell you where I am? I am in Wellington today.
It's actually glorious in Wellington today. Well impressed. I got
off the plane this morning and my breath was frosting
and I thought, oh, I forgot how cold it is
here in spring. But now it seems to have warmed
up nicely. But that's actually not the best bit about

(14:22):
being here. The best bit about being here is that
my Air New Zealand flight landed, get this, 18 minutes early.
18 minutes early. That's basically another time zone for Air
New Zealand. I couldn't believe it. So that's the first
win for Air New Zealand. That kind of on-time performance
was really outdoing themselves. Second thing is, I was in

(14:42):
the Coro Club and I went up to the coffee lady,
had my cup of tea, and I said, can I
please have a paper cup to put my cup of
tea in? She goes, no, sorry. I haven't got any
paper cups. And the lady next door was trying to
do the same thing. They have run out of paper
cups in the Coru Club, such is the demand for
people using the paper cups to get on the plane.
So obviously everybody heard Nicol make that promise, the boss

(15:02):
of Air New Zealand, when he was on the show
with us, and everybody's just gone hell for leather getting
the paper cups. So I count that up as I
was bummed that I couldn't take my tea on the plane,
but I thought, no. Look at the broader picture. It's
a win. We've achieved something, because now they're going to
tell Nickel we need more paper cups. Everybody wants to
do it. I knew it. I knew we did. News
is next, and then we're off to Australia. Very cool

(15:23):
thing with social media happening there, I'm going to tell
you about. Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duplessy-Allen Drive
with One New Zealand, awarded New Zealand's best mobile network.
Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Right.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Today the thing happened that we all knew was going
to happen because we were told this on the show
on the day that they cut the bed tax. This
is the government, right? If you cast your mind back,
you'll remember the chap from Destination Queenstown came on the
show and whoopsie, he said, don't worry, the government's going
to replace the bed tax money with the international visitor
levy money. They're going to give us some of that.
And sure enough. It was announced today. I have a

(16:06):
suspicion that they're going to split it up for various councils,
depending on what proportion of international visitors go to that council.
I still think that some of these councils are going
to come up short. So the numbers for Auckland was
something like, I think it was like $ 27 million a year,
this is what they estimated, would come in from the
bed tax. And over the four years of the international

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visitor levy, they don't get as much. They do not
get $ 27 million per year over four years. We're going
to have a chat to the minister responsible for that,
Louise Upston, who will be with us just after five o'clock.
Barry Soper standing by for politics in 10 minutes, and
it's 24 away from five.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
It's the World Wires on Newstalk's EpiDrive.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Donald Trump has a new target in his sights on
his campaign of renaming things. This time he's lolz, looking
within his own borders. He's proposing to rename the state
of New Mexico to New America. Have a listen.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
President, Mr.

Speaker 9 (16:58):
Trump posted a photo on social media suggesting he wants
to rename New Mexico as... New America. No explanation was shared.
The White House has not announced an effort to rename
New Mexico. And while the president has the power to
rename geographic landmarks such as bodies of water, he does

(17:18):
not have the constitutional authority to legally rename states. That
process will have to happen within that designated state.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
So we'll have to wait and see if the state
itself is happy with the change.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Probably not.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
And he's probably just trolling them. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky
has said he expects the war with Russia to continue
into the winter. Following talks, that's their winter, obviously. Following
talks with Donald Trump's top envoys in Kiev. Of course,
while this is all going on, Russia is still amping
up its drone strikes on civilian targets in Kiev.

Speaker 13 (17:49):
I don't have shelter near my home.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
And now alarm.

Speaker 14 (17:56):
It's very dangerous, you know.

Speaker 15 (17:58):
And stand in the streets, dangerous, go somewhere.

Speaker 14 (18:04):
We can't stay more than three hours without hair alert.
So yes, it's not just about night, it's about day
now and we don't know just what we can do.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
BBC's reporting there are at least 13 strikes a day
in Ukraine's capital. And finally... In what feels like a
scene out of a sci-fi movie, robots have taken to
the streets in Poland to campaign for AI regulation. 30
humanoid and quadruped, quadruped, quadruped? I suppose, like dogs. Robots

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marched around in circles, chanting slogans, carrying flags, and the
AFP even interviewed one of them. The protest was organised
by Democratism, an initiative that wants to launch debate around
how AI and robots affect the labour market. So, There
we go. If you're a CEO looking to cull half
your workforce because AI is cheaper, just remember, even the
robots may not want the job.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
International Correspondence with NZI Insurance. Peace of mind for New
Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Sam Emery, Aussie Correspondence with us.

Speaker 10 (19:05):
Hi, Sam.

Speaker 5 (19:06):
G'day, Heather.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Now, this trial for the men accused of killing those
brothers in Mexico, do we expect this to be run properly?

Speaker 16 (19:14):
Well, there's plenty of odd things surrounding the case, that's
for sure, Heather. A judge in Mexico has ordered three
accused killers out of his own courtroom after prosecutors told
him witnesses had been intimidated. So the three are on
trial in Ensenada over the murders of Perth brothers Jake
and Callum Robinson and their American friend Carter Road, who
was shot dead near the beach near their campsite in 2024.

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Prosecutors say two witnesses were approached by people connected to
the accused, Both are now in witness protection. And while
these witnesses gave evidence, the men dressed in their bright
orange prison jumpsuits were moved to a... completely different room.
The first witness described being on the beach the night
the brothers vanished, hearing a gunshot and running and hiding

(19:57):
in a bathroom for half an hour. He says he
was then warned afterwards to say nothing. The deceased brother's
parents flew there from Perth to be there. They wanted
the accused to see the human consequences in person. The
oddities continue with the trial as well, Heather. It's a
single judge with no jury and a new judge who
is appearing remotely that was appointed at the last minute

(20:19):
after the original judge was in an accident over the weekend.
So plenty more to come. The trial resumes at one
o'clock tomorrow. It's expected to run for more than four weeks,
but it's all very strange and you just feel for
those families.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
Yeah, absolutely. Now, what's going on with Labor and the
sports rorts?

Speaker 16 (20:36):
Yes, the pork barreling back in the headlines here. We
love a bit of pork barreling here in Australia. It's
more than $ 400 million from a $ 560 million grants program
that seemingly went to Labor seats and the program was
invitation only. So that's a finding from the Centre for
Public Integrity. It's stating that community groups could.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Not put a hand up.

Speaker 16 (20:59):
They had to be chosen first and the government hasn't
quite explained who did the choosing and how they came
to assess them all. The example that might sting the
most too, Heather, is the $ 6 million for a golf
club in the Prime Minister's own electorate, while other clubs
in federal seats are saying they were never even asked.

Speaker 12 (21:17):
Of course, it's not illegal, but there's strict.

Speaker 16 (21:20):
Rules and guidelines for obvious reasons. The infrastructure minister in
charge of it all says that the projects were tested
for value for money and the ministers cannot sign off
in their own seats. And they obviously followed longstanding practice.
But I think you might have hit the nail on
the head there, Heather. You might remember Labour spent years
hammering the coalition over sports rorts and the coalition frontbencher

(21:40):
who's leading the attack on all of this, Bridget McKenzie,
who resigned over sports rorts.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Oh, wow.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
What a surprise. Hey, thank you very much, Sam, as always.
It's good to talk to you, mate. Sam Emery, Aussie correspondent, 19.5. So, oh,
by the way, update on Erin Patterson, the mushroom chef
who killed her in-laws with the beef Wellington. She's going
on Ozempic. Going on Ozempic while in jail on the
taxpayer's expense. Obviously, it's been approved by the authorities. The
reason for it is that she's got a bit chunky

(22:09):
because she spends up to 23 hours a day alone.
And I'm not making light of this because this would
be rough, but she spends 23 hours a day in
her cell by herself, basically not exercising. And so she's
got a bit big. Probably a good idea to give
her the ASEM pick. What I would say, though, is, like,
this is why the boys in jail start doing the

(22:29):
dumbbells and, like, jumping on the spot and doing star
jumps and stuff. You know, if she wanted to. Like,
you know, where there's a will, there's a way. Now, anyway, Albo,
she could have just tried eating some of that beef wellington.
That would probably shed the pounds for her. Albo has
confirmed that they will allow the law that he's about
to pass on the social media. He's unveiled it today.
Today it's the digital duty of care laws. It will

(22:51):
allow people to opt out of social media algorithms. It's
been suspected that this is what the law will do
for a while, but he's confirmed. And if the social
media guys do not abide by the law, then they'll
be fined up to $ 100 million. Now, once again, the
problem with a law like this is Mark Zuckerberg is
bigger than a government. And so he can look at Albo.
He can just look him straight in the face and go,
I don't really care what you think. We're just going

(23:11):
to pump the algorithms at the people, so whatever. But
if it works, if Zuckerberg does undo the algorithms, mate,
how good would this be? Go onto your Facebook and
have a look at the crock that you're being served
at the moment. It's the death of social media, what's
going on there at the moment and just how crap
it's become. Same thing is happening on Facebook. Same thing

(23:32):
is happening on Twitter. Same thing is happening on Instagram.
Used to be that you kind of had some control
over it. You could choose who you were seeing and
what was going on and click on people's feeds and
it would feed to you. Go have a look now.
I just went before, had a look. One post from
a friend overseas, followed immediately by an ad for some
weird exhibition of recreated ship interiors. Since when am I
interested in recreated ship interiors? I think it's because I

(23:55):
mentioned the other day a documentary about the Titan. You
remember the Titan that went down and exploded because it
was going to look at the Titanic? I think that
they heard that, the Facebook, and then they were like,
she's into ship interiors, give her an ad. But I
had one post from a friend before I got that ad.
Then I got a bit of news, which I am
interested in. But then I got Matilda Green immediately modelling
a dress, an ad again. Not my jam. I don't

(24:16):
like dresses. Then I got some news. Then I got
another ad for Deadly Pony shoes. Then I got some
news from New Zealand First. Then I got another ad
for Wiggles kids' shoes. Then I got a friend. Then
I got another ad. I just went on like that.
It's like, I don't even like your T-shirt. Actually, it
was not bad. But I don't want to buy your T-shirt.
So this is the problem is that they're just feeding
us the stuff with the algorithm, which is ruining the

(24:37):
experience for us. In the end, I'm happy because I'm
better off it. But if you're enjoying it, you'll be pleased.
If you like the facey and you want to enjoy
the facey, you'll be pleased to be freed of that algorithm,
which is ruining everything. Anyway, Barry Soper's with us next
quarter too.

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Speaker 3 (24:57):
Listen, after five o'clock, I'm going to get you to Rotorua.
We've got a reporter standing by to give us the
latest on this man appearing in court over the deaths
of the three people there overnight. Right now, 13 away
from five. Barry Soper, senior political correspondence with us.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
Hey, Barry.

Speaker 15 (25:09):
Good afternoon, Heather, from a beautifully fine Wellington day.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
No, you're not in Wellington, mate.

Speaker 10 (25:15):
Oh, Auckland, I mean.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 15 (25:17):
No, you were bragging about Wellington and you're on.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
No, once again, you've gone back to your halcyon days,
which were all in Wellington. And I recall your mate
Rob Muldoon was still alive at the time. Listen, so
the IVL, entirely predictable, right, that this has happened?

Speaker 15 (25:32):
Well, yes, it is. You know, no new taxes. This
is a levy. It's the international visitor levy. And, of course,
that'll be doled out to councils rather than a, bed
levy and the argument that the government always used was
that that bed levy was a tax on Kiwis. So
what they'll do is they'll use visitor data for the

(25:54):
year ending June this year and it calculates that the
Auckland Council would receive about 22.5% share of the $ 86
million which will be spent over the next year. That'll
be about $ 19 million and And the other big levy
area will be the Queenstown Lakes District Council. They'll receive

(26:18):
the second highest at about 20% or $ 17 million. And
already our old mate, Wayne Brown, who loved the bed tax,
said that Auckland will be shortchanged to the tune of
about $ 8 million. So he's not happy with it, but
he should be happy that at least he's getting something.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yeah, because, of course, that was always an option.

Speaker 12 (26:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
You make of Shane Jones spending this gas money on
perfectly wealthy corporations?

Speaker 15 (26:48):
It's quite provocative, isn't it, really, when you think about it,
that this is the gas security fund that was established
in last year's budget, and it addresses essentially declining domestic revenues.
and to shore up the energy infrastructure. Well, it's quite
a lot of money, 200 million bucks he's got to

(27:09):
dole out. He says that he'll be doing it before
the election. And like you said, Todd Energy, they'll get
almost 20, well, I'll get 23 and a half million bucks,
basically for drilling projects and converting wells in Taranaki. And
others will get money in the area as well. He's

(27:31):
named a few others, the existing McKee Tariki well. They'll
have access to gas in the deeper reservoir in the Taranaki.
So Todd itself will be spending money, $ 10 million. But
the man who covets the country's prime ministership, Chris Hipkins,
he says he's not happy with his old colleagues Jones

(27:53):
being so gung-ho about fossil fuel spending this close to
an election.

Speaker 17 (27:58):
The current government signing up the New Zealand government for
contracts with the fossil fuel industry in the final couple
of months before a general election, when this is clearly
an election issue, is recklessly irresponsible. The National Party in
government said that they were going to have new oil
and gas exploration. Instead, they're now subsidising gas fields to
eke out the last little bits of gas that they've

(28:20):
got left. This is an election campaign. He should respect
the will of the voters and not try and tie
the hands of a future government.

Speaker 15 (28:27):
Well, you know, Labour's firmly committed, they say, to reinstating
the ban on new offshore oil and gas explorations if
they're re-elected or if they're elected. Labour has indicated, though,
that it won't proactively cancel or revoke any existing exploration permits.

(28:47):
So the permits that Jones is signing up to at
the moment, they will presumably stay in place if there
is a change of government.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
OK, what do you make of the public servants walking
off the job tomorrow?

Speaker 15 (28:59):
Well, look, it's pretty unusual that you have a nationwide
strike this close to an election, but clearly they're fired up.
They believe that there'll be almost 10,000 public servants across
the country. They'll be striking for what they say is
their respective collective agreements. That'll be tomorrow, of course. Those

(29:20):
working at... The Ministry of Social Development, MBIE, the Department of, well,
there's so many departments, the Department of Internal Affairs, the NEMA,
the Ministry of Ethnic Communities, they'll all go out, walk
off the job. So, you know, it's going to cause

(29:41):
a lot of disruption. But they say, look, they want
the government to listen to them. And no doubt they
will be listening. But whether they achieve their means with
this government is another matter.

Speaker 12 (29:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Barry, thank you very much. Really appreciate your time. Enjoy Wellington.
Very so. Senior political correspondent, eight away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
It's the Heather Dupacy-Allen Drive full show podcast on iHeartRadio,
powered by Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 18 (30:13):
So the money from the $ 200 million gas security fund
is about to flow. Todd Energy is going to get
$ 23. 5 million for a couple of projects in Taranaki. Shane
Jones is in charge of all of this and he's
back with us.

Speaker 6 (30:26):
The Supreme Court of the UK last November, December made
a decision and made it incredibly difficult in New Zealand
for us to use our indigenous gas resources unless we
go through an ideological jungle gym. Our officials have guided.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Us through that.

Speaker 18 (30:39):
The 20 petajoules, is that real or a hope?

Speaker 6 (30:42):
Look, I can only go on what we're told geologically,
and there's both the potential and the productive. That is
an upper limit.

Speaker 18 (30:50):
Back tomorrow at 6am, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with Range Rover,
Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Oh dear, Heather, the Ministry of Ethnic Affairs are walking
out tomorrow. Who will notice?

Speaker 2 (31:00):
I know.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
It's the same as when the Ministry of Women go
on strike. I don't know if you've noticed, but my
pay starts decreasing immediately. Gender pay gap just opens right
up in those hours when they're away, doesn't it? No,
it doesn't. So they can bugger off and not have
their jobs anymore. Four away from five. It's happened again.
I'm sorry to say it's happened again. I'm kind of
getting used to it. Radiohead has announced a tour of

(31:22):
Australia and they have no plans to come here. And
it's a significant tour. It's not like Tay-Tay, where she goes, well,
how many concerts does she do? It was only a smattering, eh?
But it's not like they've got a massive rig, I
would imagine. It would be a reasonable-sized rig, but it's
not so big that you can only go to one place.
They are going 16 dates in May next year. They're

(31:43):
going to Perth for four gigs. They're going to Melbourne
for six gigs at the arena there, and then six
in Sydney. And not to us. And I mean, I
think you'd be a fool. You'd be a mug to
sit there going, no, no, don't worry. They just haven't
announced it yet. You need to make your mind up now.
Are you going to Melbourne or Sydney? Because you're going.
Because it's Radiohead. It's a long time between drinks for

(32:04):
Radiohead and they were seminal, weren't they? If you're prepared
to travel for Harry Styles, which is me. Then you
absolutely have to be prepared to travel for Tom York
because he's a moment as well. We've got another cricketer
coming off the central contract. This is Mark Chapman now.
He's going to go to the Aussie Big Bash League.
But before you freak out about it, he's only signing

(32:25):
a one-year contract, which I think means that he is
still available to come back and play in the NZ20
when that kicks off, which is our T20, the proposed
T20 competition, the private one. when that kicks off at
the start of 2028. So it's now Finn Allen, Lockie Ferguson,
Adam Milne, Tim Seifert and Mark Chapman who are also,
all of them, on the casual contracts. Like I said,

(32:46):
remember when it first happened? I want to say, I
want to own this. When it first happened, I told
you it was going to become normal, didn't I? Now
it is. Heather, at the weekend, I started getting ads
on Facebook for Skittles. I was like, what the hell?
I was home by myself and there was a bag
of Skittles on my coffee table. The only way the
algorithm could have picked that up is if it had
access to my phone's camera. Pretty weird. Has access to

(33:07):
your phone's camera, doesn't it, Shannon? Knows you're eating the Skittles. Right,
Louise Upston next on giving the money to the councils
instead of the bed tax. Newstalk ZB.

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Speaker 3 (33:33):
Good afternoon. As predicted on the show, the government has
today announced that councils will have the money replaced that
they lost through the axed bed tax. And it will
be from the international visitor levy, which is a tax
paid by foreign tourists. And the tourism minister is Louise Upston.

Speaker 15 (33:46):
Hi, Louise.

Speaker 19 (33:47):
Hello, Heather.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
So how are you distributing the money?

Speaker 20 (33:51):
Yes, so really importantly, what we will be doing with
the reset of the IVL is distributing more to councils. Well, actually,
they haven't had funding from this pathway before. And it
means as the international visitor numbers grow, so will the
amount that is given to councils to fund tourism and

(34:12):
conservation in their areas. It'll start with 86 million going
up to 106 million over the four years. And that'll
be divvied up based on their share of the international
guest nights that they have in their area.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Right, so if Queenstown gets a lot of people from overseas,
which obviously it does, it will get more than, for example,
I don't know, let's say Invercargill.

Speaker 21 (34:36):
Correct, yeah.

Speaker 20 (34:37):
So Auckland's about 20%, so they will get the relevant
share for their area. And the same with Auckland, but
they've got different needs for what they will use that
funding for, and that's up to them.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Does Auckland get more money from the IVL through the
way that you're doing it than it would have got
from the bed tax?

Speaker 20 (35:02):
Well, the difficulty is the policy work in detail hadn't
been worked through on a bed tax, so there is
no definitive amount that had been determined. This way, they
will get funding from the 1st of July next year,
whereas a bed tax would have been at least May 29th.
before they got any funding. And the best part about

(35:25):
this is Kiwis won't be taxed any time they stay
in a hotel or motel or campground in New Zealand,
which is what the bed tax would have done.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
So I think I recall them saying they would have
got something like $ 27 million a year from the bed tax.
Is that about right?

Speaker 20 (35:44):
Well, I think that's the figure they've talked about. But
as I said, there was no policy work done, no
agreement around how a bed tax would work. But if they.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Were right, and you're right, you know, these numbers are
always plucked out of thin air for the most part.
But if you're right, then we're looking at about $ 104 million,
$ 108 million, something like that over four years, and you're
giving them $ 86 million. So they are coming up a
bit short, eh?

Speaker 21 (36:08):
Not Auckland.

Speaker 20 (36:09):
The total pool available is $ 86 million. So Auckland will
get about 19 in year one, and it'll increase every
year as the international visitor numbers increase.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Does it not increase to 86 million over four years?

Speaker 20 (36:25):
No, there's two figures. Yes, you're correct. 86 million is
the total amount that we are going to distribute in
year one. and Auckland's share of it over the four years,
you're right.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Will get up to $ 86 million. So they do come
up short. Listen, does somebody need to apologise for people
being denied help with food because it's not an essential item?

Speaker 20 (36:47):
No, there's two things. So MSD have for years assisted
hundreds of thousands of New Zealanders with food hardship grants.
They continue to do that. There will be some cases
where people are declined. If they're unhappy with that decline,
they can appeal that decision. Where there has been an

(37:10):
issue in the way, in a very small number of cases, 0.1%
of food hardship grants, the data has been recorded in
a way that's not accurate. That's an operational issue for MSD.
They have assured me that they've sorted it out. But
MSD continues to provide hardship grants for people who are

(37:30):
in need, and they will continue to do that.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
All right, good stuff. Louise, thanks very much. Louise Upston,
Tourism Minister and obviously Social Development Minister as well. 11
past five.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Heather Duplessy-Allen.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
A man has appeared in court today following the death
of a woman and her two children at a property
in Rotorua last night. The man has a relationship with
the family. Annabelle Reid is a reporter for the Rotorua
Daily Post. Hi, Annabelle.

Speaker 22 (37:54):
Hello.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
Is this the father?

Speaker 22 (37:56):
Oh, police are still investigating, so I can't confirm if
it's the father. A man appeared in the Rotorua District
Court this afternoon, which we understand is related, and he
was charged with assaulting a person in a family relationship.
He has name suppression, and three other named people were

(38:18):
also given name suppression. So that's not really something I
can confirm at this stage.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
And depending on how this investigation goes, he could obviously
be upgraded to homicide because this is a homicide investigation,
isn't it?

Speaker 22 (38:32):
Well, the man is in custody at the moment, and
he's set to reappear in court on the 2nd of October. But, yeah,
police are still investigating.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
What do you understand, Annabelle, happened? Because what I was
told is police got there last night, and unfortunately and
very sadly, the kids were already dead. The mum was
alive but died on the way to the hospital in
the ambulance. Is that what happened?

Speaker 22 (38:56):
Yeah, so two children were found dead at the property,
and a woman died at the scene. The scene was
described as extremely confronting and traumatic for, like, all the
emergency services responding. I was at this residence this morning

(39:17):
and spoke to neighbouring people, which they didn't really know
what had happened. Some said they heard and saw a
number of police cars arriving last night. Some heard them
banging on doors. loudly on a door and saw police
with torches. One woman said that she thought that police
were at the scene until about midnight. And later in

(39:41):
the morning, people I spoke to were still quite unaware
of what had happened. And They were discussing it on
the street with one another and watching as police carried
out their duties. They had like tape measures and markers
and drones. But yeah, not many people knew too much,
but they were definitely keen to know. And obviously they

(40:03):
will know now what happened.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
Yeah, all right, Annabelle's pretty confronting. Thank you very much, mate.
Look after yourself. Annabelle Reid, who's the Rotorua Daily Post reporter. Now,
somewhat happier news. If you missed out on Warriors tickets,
there is some hope for you. You can still get
some Warriors tickets on Trade Me. They've popped up for resale.
I'm warning you now, there's a big markup on them, right?

(40:28):
So the tickets, so producer Kevin, who had his wife
doing it as a birthday present for him, she got
five tickets at $ 65 a piece. She's not reselling them, right?
They're not scalping. They needed all five tickets, but $ 65
a piece. If you go on to Trade Me, you're
going to pay about double that. There is a set
of four tickets for sale right now for $ 510. That's

(40:48):
about $ 130 each. I would say, I mean, apart from
the fact that, you know, I don't want to judge
people's personal circumstances. Maybe they bought them and then they
couldn't go and then they had to forfeit them. And
that's entirely possible. Maybe they're scalpers. And I don't want
to reward scalpers, but $ 130 to be there at Mount
Smart for what may be the last game of the
season at Mount Smart if they win. and them on

(41:11):
the path to a grand final, just pay it. Pay
it and go. Quarter past. It will be absolutely no
surprise to you whatsoever that the ETS auction failed today.
This is the seventh straight fail in a row. It
should be basically good news then when Labour comes out
and goes, we're going to reform the ETS because clearly
the ETS needs some reform if we want to keep
the ETS. But because Labour have no actual plan and

(41:33):
just sent it off to a review, unfortunately, it's not
that good a news. But there you go. Seventh straight fail.
No surprise whatsoever. 518. Now, a bit of tough news
for Harry and Meghan. King Charles has written a letter
to officials in the UK and also the Defence Force
to clarify what the couple's status are. They're private citizens
and they are not to be referred to as his
and her Royal Highness. Royal commentator Victoria Arbiter.

Speaker 12 (41:56):
Is with us.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Hi, Victoria.

Speaker 19 (41:58):
Good afternoon to you.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Why has he done this?

Speaker 19 (42:02):
Well, I think really it's a decisive move, but it's
one that was necessary because we needed really clear clarification
in terms of what the Duke and Duchess of Sussex
plan to do moving forward and how they should be
viewed and how their engagements should be treated. So since
they arrived back in the UK, they've kept a very
low profile. Harry was seen yesterday. He was photographed at

(42:22):
a podcast studio in London. But we've been hearing snippets
of information from sources close to them. They've been spoon-feeding
favoured publications saying... They want to ramp up their charity work,
that Meghan wants to rekindle her charitable connections that she
had before they left back in 2020. And all of
that starts to muddy the waters a little bit in
terms of, are they representing the royal family? Are they

(42:45):
there on behalf of the king? And so with this letter,
the king has made it very clear that, no, they
are there furthering their own interests. They do not represent
the monarchy or the sovereign himself.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Am I reading it right that he has also made
it difficult for them to have public money spent on
them if they are invited to somewhere and hosted?

Speaker 19 (43:04):
Well, I think what he's done there is he's been
very clear that there shouldn't be any public money spent
on them because they are there in a private and
personal capacity. So what he has actually said is that
if there is any confusion or for the avoidance of
doubt that anyone that they are going to visit, if
there is a question over public money, that they should
direct those inquiries to Buckingham Palace. We have to remember

(43:26):
the king's sole responsibility, his first responsibility, is to protect
the institution of monarchy. And certainly when Harry and Meghan
were in Australia, they were doing all of those royal-type engagements,
so war memorials and visiting a children's hospital, sporting engagements.
And within minutes, Meghan was merchandising the outfits that she
was wearing. So that becomes a conflict of interest when

(43:46):
we're looking at commercial and charitable interest. So that's why
the King has also had to be very clear. If
public money is going to be spent, Harry and Meghan
cannot then capitalize on that for their own personal gain.
So I think it's actually very good that he's given
outlets and charitable heads the opportunity to contact Buckingham Palace
so that they've got all of the information necessary to

(44:08):
make the right decision.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
Victoria, as always, it is a delight to talk to you.
Thank you for your time. That's Victoria Arbiter, royal expert.
They think Hazza and Meza are going to settle in
North Oxfordshire. And this is because Megan's been spotted at
the Soho Farmhouse, which is a luxury countryside retreat. This
is what they're in for. This is what they're in for.
She arrived for an early morning coffee at the Comfy
Farm Lounge before 9 a.m. where she was introduced to

(44:32):
senior staff members by name. So from here on in,
it's basically she picked her nose and it's in the
Daily Mail, isn't it? And this is, by the way,
not even the Daily Mail. I think I read this
in the Telegraph, which is a reasonably upstanding publication. The
Cotswold Club is set in 100 acres of countryside and
features a luxury spa, 40 discreet guest cabins, an indoor-outdoor pool,
and is a hotspot for celebrities. Nearby, they will have

(44:54):
the Beckhams, Paul McCartney and his daughter, Geri Halliwell and
Christian Horner. So that's basically everybody fun, isn't it? 521.

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Speaker 3 (45:20):
Heather, I just looked on Trade Me. Four tickets are
currently sitting at $ 1, 400. Free shipping, though. Well, take the win.
Take the win.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
What's that? $ 350 each.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
That's a mark-up, isn't it? It's about six times the price.
Three times the price. Oh, six times the price at
our school. See, maths is paying off for me. $ 5.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
24.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Now, question for you, Kate. What is it going to
take for us to abandon postal voting? Because surely the
revelations that we've got today have got to kill any
confidence that you might have had in the way the
councils run their voting. So the Herald got a tip-off
that there was more vote rigging in South Auckland at
the last council election, so they decided to check it out.
And sure enough, one woman who voted was actually dead

(45:59):
three years before she voted and So on Bowman's Way
in Manierewa, there's a Kainga Ora complex at the end
of the street. It's got 17 units in it. It
recorded 13 votes. Now that puts voter turnout in just
that complex there at 76%. That's about double what it
is around the country. That's ridiculous. That is unlikely. When
the Herald visited, no residents recalled receiving any ballot papers

(46:23):
or voting. So the Herald went to another one of
the units around there. Five votes were recorded. That represents
five people. The woman who lives there, her three sisters
and her mum. The mum is the dead one, by
the way, so she obviously didn't vote. And she says
the woman, she and her three sisters hadn't voted either.
They got no papers. So again, that seems something weird's
going on there. And this just goes on and on

(46:44):
and on and on in the Herald story today. Now,
I've told you before, I've had a similar experience where
my friends lived in a flat when we were younger.
that it had previous tenants in it. When the previous tenants'
papers arrived, my friends thought it was really funny to
fill them all out and send them in, and they
were actually counted as votes. Nobody would have known my
friends had committed voter fraud. We have got to get
rid of a system that had its place 150 years ago. Now,

(47:06):
I know we don't want to do the electronic voting
because we're worried about the Chinese hacking in and committing
voter fraud. But right now, we are hacking our own
system and committing voter fraud and just turning a blind
eye to it. Now, obviously... It is true that it
doesn't matter as much as the national elections because it
is just council level. But the problem is that councils
actually do handle a lot of money and they make
some crucial decisions that impact our lives. And sometimes those

(47:29):
decisions impact our lives more directly than central government. And
this undermines trust in every part of the system from
the council up. I think moving to ballot booths is
the answer. It's going to cost a lot of money,
but democracy costs money. And what more proof do you
need than a dead woman voting that we've got a
big problem?

Speaker 2 (47:47):

Speaker 3 (47:49):
Hey, you should be doing absolutely nothing tonight other than
watching TVNZ Plus because it's a big night tonight. Because
tonight is the final episode of Colin from Accounts on TVNZ.
And even the Brits are excited about it. There's a
write-up in the Telegraph. This is the headline. If Colin
from Accounts doesn't have a happy ending, I'm cancelling my
licence fee. You're protesting in the wrong place, right? Because
the BBC doesn't make it. The Australians do. Anyway, it

(48:11):
says this. Alas, TV shows need good things to happen
while Ash and Gordie work out what viewers have known
from the start, which is that they're soulmates. And so
Colin from Accounts resorts to padding. In Series 3, we
get a birthday party, a druggie sex party. That was fun.
A work trip and a road trip, all in the
name of distracting us from the will-they-won't-they conversation. It's never
less than delightful. At times, it's rather wonderful. But I

(48:33):
haven't seen the final episode. Let me say this. If
it doesn't lead to Ash and Gordie living happily ever
after with a fully alive dog, even if he's disabled,
it's OK, then I will be withholding next year's licence fee.
Over to you, Colin. Isn't that brilliant? They better get together, though, eh?
And we're going to find out tonight, aren't we? Because
we're all watching.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
See you there, aren't we?

Speaker 3 (48:53):
Right, we're off to Stockton to find out what their
problem with the mine is. Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
The name you trust to get the answers you need.
It's Heather Duplessy-Allen Drive with One New Zealand, awarded New
Zealand's best mobile network.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 23 (49:08):
Heather, please don't tell us tomorrow what happens in Colin
from accounts due to other commitments.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
I can't watch it. until Friday. Well, to be honest
with you, I really want to watch it tonight, but
I'm not going to. I'm going to watch it tomorrow
night because I've got to go out to dinner. Because
I'm in Wellington. And I've actually got things to tell
you about Wellington, which is looking not half bad at
the minute. But I'm not going to tell you tomorrow
because I won't know. But now nobody has to tell
me tomorrow, which is going to be a task for
producer Kevin because he is absolutely going to smash it tonight. Um, listen,

(49:43):
Jamie Mackay is alive. I'm happy to report to you.
Jamie has been off air for, I think, about three
weeks with the flu. And he's not a man who
goes down very easily into his sickbed. So it got
him real hard. And I'd heard that he was on
a respirator. And I don't know if that's true or not.
And I'd heard that he had almost died. And I

(50:04):
don't know if that's true or not. But that he
was refusing food because he was basically not eating. So
that's how bad the flu was. So anyway, those are
all rumours and unsubstantiated until he's on air with us,
which he will be at about quarter past six. And
we will talk to him about it and just find
out how his journey to hell and back has gone,
whether he's got any strength in his body. So stand
by for that. And of course, the huddle is going
to be with us shortly. Right now, it is 24

(50:26):
away from six. Now, nearly 3,000 people in Westport have
signed an open letter backing a local mine. They're keen
on extending mining at Stockton and Deniston, which is the
community's largest employer. And of course, it's going through the
fast track process for that at the moment. One of
the organisers of the Open, Lisa, Jessie Creedmoor, is with
us right now.

Speaker 5 (50:43):
Hi, Jessie.

Speaker 8 (50:45):
Kia ora from Bola on the West Coast. Thank you
for giving us a chance to speak for our community.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
You're more than welcome. Now, what made you feel like
you needed to sign this letter?

Speaker 4 (50:55):
Me personally.

Speaker 8 (50:56):
So I've travelled around a lot. I visited the South
Island about 20-odd years ago and fell in love with
the place. And at this point in time, I can
honestly say that Bulla is a place that I live
out in Cape Falwyn and they'll be taking me out
of here in a body bag. But essentially, for me personally,

(51:17):
and I don't like to speak for myself because this
is actually about our community, but the world still needs steel. Hospitals, bridges,
wind turbines, our Westport flood walls. And I think there's
another key thing that just came out last week. The
UN's report confirmed the world will overshoot 1.5 degrees And
that overshoot will be decided by China, India, and the

(51:38):
United States. So, you know, between then, most of the
world's steel and most of the world's coke and coal.
And our Stockton here produces about 1.1 million tonnes, and
that's 0.1% of global supply. So, you know, if it closes,
the same steel gets made from Australian, Mongolian, Russian coal,
and global emissions do not move. But this is key
to me. What does move here is the people and

(51:59):
the jobs. That is what gets lost. And looking at
the feedback here, that's come through. It's astounding. And what
I think, and the update is that more than 3,170
people have signed the letter. And in the Bullard District,
you know, that is one in four adults. In Westport Town,

(52:22):
it's three quarters of the households. And the feedback resoundingly
isn't asking for coal forever. They're asking for time. They're
asking to be heard. And they really aren't bucking the process.
You know, a lot of people agree that it has
to go through that sort of process.

Speaker 24 (52:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Are you worried though, Jessie, that without sufficient support from
the community, vocal support like this, the fast track application
might be declined?

Speaker 22 (52:50):
I think that's.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Always a risk.

Speaker 8 (52:52):
And as far as I understand, the fast track process is,
you know, it's pretty rigorous. I think people that think
that a fast track is a rubber stamping exercise, that's
not correct. It's probably more a fast track in terms
of the length of time. But the risk, obviously, is
still there. And this community have lived through it before.

(53:13):
And we're still, a lot of people might say, we
just need to diversify the economy. And I'm involved in
a lot of projects that we're all trying to do that.
But you can't really diversify a collapsed economy. So, yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
Well said. Well said, Jessie. Hey, thanks, man. And good
luck with it. That's Jessie Creedmoor. organizer rather of the
open leader it's coming up 20 away from.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
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Speaker 3 (53:41):
On the huddle with us this evening we have jordan
williams taxpayers union in studio and gareth hughes director of
the well-being economy alliance a former green mp hello you
two hello you too good evening it's so cold today
are you in wellington too mate.

Speaker 21 (53:56):
Yeah, at least there's not too much wind.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
Is it unusual, though, like you say, I'm so sorry
Wellington's so cold today, like it isn't cold all year
except for two weeks?

Speaker 21 (54:07):
Well, if you're in Auckland, it probably does feel cold
all year, but today's been particularly cold. I've even got
the heat pump on at the moment.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Well, I actually thought it was pleasant out there.

Speaker 25 (54:17):
It's bloody great here in Auckland, and I've battled traffic
to come in and see you, Heather. I'm sitting in
your seat. Your producers put me in charge, and they've
told me, All the buttons I'm not allowed to push.
And you guys are having a party down there in Wellington.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
You deserve the bad weather.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
And like Donald Trump, your finger is hovering above that
button just wanting to push it. Gareth, as somebody who
is worried about the climate, did Jessie's argument convince you
that the community needs to be put before the climate here?

Speaker 21 (54:45):
To be honest, it didn't persuade me, but I think
she understands the writings on the wall for the sector.
It is a sunset industry. She said it's not going
to go on forever. I really feel for Juicy. You know,
I come from Tarawhiti, Gisborne. I still remember when Dad
lost his job at the freezing works and about 900
men lost their jobs overnight. This is why I support
a just transition. We should be actively coming up with

(55:07):
better alternatives, diversifying the economy, like she said, which I
totally agree with. You know, we can't just keep hoping
that mining's going to solve all of our problems. And look,
if mining was the secret to prosperity... towns like Reefton and, say,
Waihi in the North Island, would be doing much better
than they are. What we do see is most of

(55:29):
the benefits are captured by a few. They're not actually
flowing in to the wider community.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Yeah, miners.

Speaker 12 (55:34):
Captured by miners.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
What do you say, Jordan?

Speaker 25 (55:38):
My heart breaks listening to that. I'm interested in what
Gareth thinks we're going to make the transition from steel
to what. You know, you need coal to make steel.
Of course, that's the classic talking lines from the Greens,
you know, transition. This is a sunset industry. No, let's
call this for what it is because GC was bang on.
It's exporting emissions just because it makes us feel good

(56:02):
if we can't see them. We heard the same today
from Chris Hipkins where he continued this green fetish for
gross emissions. rather than accepting that offsetting has a role
and that we should be focused on net emissions. Because
the path we're on is actually just about closing industry,

(56:27):
destroying communities, and worst of all, actually just sending those
emissions overseas to countries that have far worse environmental and
labour standards.

Speaker 21 (56:38):
I have to point out, Jordan, we do have green hydrogen, right?
That is an alternative to steel, and this is an
exciting opportunity.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
For New Zealand.

Speaker 25 (56:45):
You mean coal for steel?

Speaker 21 (56:47):
No, no, it's being used with green hydrogen overseas, and
with our renewable electricity, we could be producing the green hydrogen. So, look,
it's not like there aren't alternatives out there.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
Gareth, did you see Chippy's walked away from the plans
to put the old farmers into the ETS, and he
said the reason he's done it is because it's just
impossible to do. Did you know that?

Speaker 21 (57:08):
Well, I remember being part of a government once upon
a time that actually had that clause in the coalition
agreement with the government.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
Were you part of the same government that he was
part of that tried to do it when it was
apparently impossible to do?

Speaker 4 (57:18):
Well, that's right.

Speaker 21 (57:20):
I remember back then even Winston Peters was saying that
we needed to bring them in at a reduced rate,
but bring farmers in. Look, I'm sure Jordan's going to
totally agree with me on this one, which is we
need to bring agriculture in because it's half of our emissions, right?
We've got to pay for the credits to cover those emissions.
So what it means is it's everyday citizens like you
and me and taxpayers who are having to pick up

(57:42):
the bill, pick up the tab for farmers. So a
colleague of mine was at the Climate and Business Conference
today where Chippy was talking. And yeah, look, I'm pretty underwhelmed.
They described it as an action policy. Really what they've
announced is another, they quote, urgent review. Look, we've had reviews, commissions,
inquiries for decades now, and we still see ETS auctions

(58:06):
fail frequently. Our emissions aren't turning the corner. And ultimately,
it's ordinary taxpayers that are picking up the tab. So, look,
when you've had three years in opposition, I would have
liked to have seen more detail. And clearly, we've got
to bring agriculture in to the future one day.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Jordan, I want your take, but I'm going to get
it after the break. So, stand by. It's quarter to.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
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Speaker 3 (58:31):
You're back with The Huddle, Jordan Williams and Gareth Hughes. Jordan,
I think Chippy looks particularly flat today, and I think
it's because of your poll yesterday.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
What do you think?

Speaker 25 (58:40):
Well, he didn't call this one a rogue. Yeah, it
isn't good, is it? Because, of course, he's now where–
he's far worse, actually, than where Christopher Lux in sort
of the first time round had all the leadership speculation.
I think what– the poor– Hipkins, though, he can't really
put a foot right. Just this morning, he was on

(59:01):
Radio Pravda with John Campbell saying how much he cared
about the cost of living and things, and he can't
even get to midday. before he's wanting to put up
the tax that applies on almost everything, which is the ETS.
He's running around saying only one new tax, only one
new tax, and yet he can't get to lunchtime before

(59:24):
he opens his mouth and wants to hike the cost
of living or the ETS that applies to almost everything.

Speaker 26 (59:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
I think, Gareth, that this is the start of the collapse.
What do you think for Labour?

Speaker 21 (59:37):
Well, there's still plenty of, you know, time for both sides.
It's been incredibly close. It has been a battle of
the blocs. So, look, I think no one's going to
leave stuff on the field, as it were, you know.
There's everything to play for. Polls have been flip-flopping. It's
good for the.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Greens, though.

Speaker 25 (59:52):
I mean, doing the call round Sunday night to the various...
chiefs of staffs and party leaders, it was actually quite,
you know, the Greens were pretty happy with this one.
And it's the two extremes. Act and Greens are going
up at the expense of the parties in the middle,
it seems.

Speaker 21 (01:00:09):
Yeah, and I mean, that's the big story, right? Both
parties now polling under 30% each. You know, historically, when
Labour does well, the Greens do less well and vice versa.
So I'm not surprised the Greens are going up. But yeah,
I mean, I've got their polling less than what they
were at the last election. That's not a good sign
nine weeks out from the election.

Speaker 25 (01:00:30):
Who is the number 18 on the Greens list?

Speaker 26 (01:00:33):
Ooh, I don't know.

Speaker 25 (01:00:33):
Do you know, Jordan? No, but I asked last night.
I asked on Sunday night. They need to pack their bags. Gareth,
will you come back?

Speaker 15 (01:00:42):
What number are you?

Speaker 21 (01:00:44):
Well, I'm not standing. I love my non-partisan, independent work
at the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Gareth, have you been to the Wellington Zoo recently with
your kids?

Speaker 21 (01:00:54):
No, not recently, but I did take my kids when
they were younger. They're both teenagers now. They wouldn't want
to hang out with me anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
No, they wouldn't want to go to the zoo with
you at all. They go to the zoo with their
girlfriends and boyfriends now. Do you remember whether it seemed
tired to you? Because apparently they need $ 14 million for
the lion pen.

Speaker 21 (01:01:10):
Yeah, this seems quite a lot of money, right? So
that's $ 7 million per lion. And I remember the last
time I went there, seeing the draft, and thinking it
was a bit off because it was a pretty small enclosure.
They didn't look particularly happy. And I wonder if maybe
there is no future for lions, unfortunately, at Wellington Zoo. Unfortunately,

(01:01:31):
because I know kids love them. But look, this isn't
an endangered species. This is a huge amount of money.
The city's got really big problems. $ 7 million per lion.
We could help an awful lot of people with that
equivalent money.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
Yeah, I wonder, Jordan, if this isn't a case where
they may have to sell the lions to another zoo
or something like that. What do you think?

Speaker 25 (01:01:51):
I would have been a little bit careful. Some previous
staff of mine once really got us in it because
they were making the argument that when the penguin washed
up on shore in Wellington, and was it a dolphin
or something, that they were literally campaigning to first not
name it because once you name it, you have to
look after it. And they become dependent on the taxpayers.
And so somehow the taxpayers' union were now championing to

(01:02:17):
euthanise these cute animals. So when I first saw this, no,
I'm going to be pro-lion, but $ 14 million. When Gareth
is saying this is not worth the money, I think it's,
I venture to suggest that it's seriously not worth the money.
But it's just so great that everything is going so
well in Wellington, in Wellington City Council. that they can

(01:02:39):
spare $ 14 million for it. Jelena and Sadiqa.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Yeah, they're really rich in Wellington.

Speaker 25 (01:02:47):
The Lions are.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
Well, yeah. And the people are as well. And Wellington
hasn't got any infrastructure problems like the rest of the country.
So all of their money can go to the zoo, basically.
They can have these nice things. Did you know that?

Speaker 25 (01:03:01):
This is what paradise looks like.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 25 (01:03:04):
Except the weather, apparently.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
Oh, hey, very quickly, Gareth, really quickly, do we get
rid of our postal system if dead ladies are voting?

Speaker 21 (01:03:14):
Look, electronic voting has massive security concerns, but if we're
leaving ballots literally in letterboxes that people can pick up,
I think that's an even bigger security concern. I'd love
to move to what we do for central.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Government, right?

Speaker 21 (01:03:27):
There is a voting day where you can rock up
to the school and cast your ballot, maybe a two-week
advance voting period. Postal voting was meant to, you know,
increase turnout for local government.

Speaker 12 (01:03:36):
Gareth, I said quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
I said quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
That's enough. Jordan, what do you say?

Speaker 25 (01:03:40):
He's agreeing with the Taxpayers' Union.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Something's going wrong.

Speaker 25 (01:03:43):
A letterbox will never be as secure as a ballot
box if only we had a stronger... Minister of Local Government,
that would have followed through on Nick Smith's electoral reform group.
It was the one thing that LGNZ got right. Even
a broken clock's right twice a day. That called for
a return to secure in-person voting 18 months ago, and
they've done nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
And they need to do it.

Speaker 25 (01:04:04):
How much evidence do you need?

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
Yeah, too right. Dead people voting, not a good look.
Hey guys, thank you so much. Sheldon Williams, Gareth Hughes,
and it's seven away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
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Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Heather, how much did the Wellington Zoo spend on the
Kiwi enclosure?

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
It's terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
You don't see any Kiwi. Oh, to be fair, that's
the Kiwi. That's not the enclosure's problem. Have you been
to Auckland Zoo? There's no point. When we go to
Auckland Zoo, I go, no, no, no, no, no, no,
we're not going to the, and the kids got upset
about it on Saturday. Not my kids, the other kids.
They were like, oh, Auntie Heather, we want to go
to the Kiwi. I was like, you're not going to
see one, mate. They don't come out because what are they? Nocturnal.
So what's the point? Honestly, that's not an infrastructure problem.

(01:04:48):
That's the contents of the infrastructure. How good is Jessie?
By the way, Jessie is the one who was chatting
to us out of Westport. Jessie's just sent us a text. Heather,
pretty please, as a follow-up to our chat, if you
could read out our website, it's ourbullafuture.nz. Hopefully fellow Kiwis
will look at the information we provide out there and
consider supporting. I'll tell you what. You've got to set
up a spokesperson like Jesse Creedmore. You could do a

(01:05:10):
lot worse. Jesse might need to run for Parliament. Jesse
sounds competent, so that'll improve some people.

Speaker 13 (01:05:18):
Is that an official endorsement, Heather?

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
I don't know Jesse's politics. I could be in for
a shock. Jesse might come out and do something, just
be wild and turn into a klepto like other people. No,
I'm not saying that. Don't sue me for defamation. I'm
just saying it's a possibility. Go into the Green Party,
nick minute your stealing staff. So, you know, God only
knows where it goes. So I don't want to endorse Jesse.
I just think Jesse should explore that as an option

(01:05:42):
because we've had worse, haven't we, than people who are
competent like Jesse. Now, I didn't realise this, but our
beer brewers are apparently having a bit of a fight
with the Australians because they're at a disadvantage selling our
beer into Australia because over in Australia, the Aussie beer
brewers get a tax rebate for the excise, but ours don't.
And this goes back a decade and it's plainly a

(01:06:05):
breach of the CER because it's basically a trade barrier.
You could see it like that, right? So anyway, it
came up again when Todd McClay met his counterpart in
Auckland last week and they're arguing for it. And it
is significant to get this rebate because Australia is our
biggest export market for beer and our wine guys get
the rebate and they've been getting the rebate on the
excise for more than 20 years. So now it's the

(01:06:25):
turn of our beer guys. Anyway, I want to talk
about this. So I'd issue, because I love beer, don't
drink a lot of it anymore now that I hit
the hard stuff, the Negronis. But I did say to
producer Kevin, let's get Garage Project or somebody fun like
that on. So we're going to do that at some
stage and chat about that. Paul Spain is going to
be with us next. The boss of NVIDIA reckons the
AI has become like human level capable, which is just,

(01:06:48):
is it? Or anyway, Paul will explain when he's with
us next.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
What's up? What's down? What were the major calls? And
how will it affect the economy?

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
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Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
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Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
Evening, coming up in the next hour, we'll get our
first chance to talk to Paul Bloxham of HSBC since
the OCR was hiked last week. He's with us after
half past six. Enda Brady is with us out of
the UK and Jamie Mackay off his sickbed for us.
Seven past six. Now, one of the world's biggest AI
bosses now says AI has matched human capability. NVIDIA's CEO,

(01:07:31):
Jensen Huang, says ChatGPT's latest model, which is known as Astra,
is so impressive that we've reached the landmark of AGI,
or Artificial General Intelligence. Paul Spain is a futurist, and
he's the CEO also at Guerrilla Technology and with us. Hi, Paul.

Speaker 12 (01:07:46):
Hi, how are you doing, Heather?

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
I'm well, thanks, mate. Are you convinced that we've reached AGI?

Speaker 11 (01:07:51):
Well, the short answer is no. I think you've got
to look at this through the lens of, you know,
who is Jensen?

Speaker 12 (01:08:00):
What's his role?

Speaker 11 (01:08:02):
And, you know, he runs the biggest company on the planet,
and their role is to sell the hardware that makes
AI possible. And that only happens if we keep getting
excited and hyped about where it's going. That's how his
share price stays high. That's how OpenAI works. and anthropic
end up having sort of big IPOs. So I think

(01:08:23):
this is part of trying to keep it exciting and
hype for people, but I'm not sure we've reached what
I would call artificial general intelligence just yet.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
Okay. He had a big palaver about a fruit fly's brain.
Did you understand that and how that led us to
understand that AGI was here?

Speaker 11 (01:08:41):
No, no, I didn't, you know, listen to a bunch
of the things that he said. I didn't go into
that one. But, yeah, he's given, you know, I guess
some interesting examples. He talked about AI being able to
build a billion dollar system. business, but that it would

(01:09:01):
have zero chance of building and running a business like
NVIDIA on an ongoing basis. We've talked for a long
time around artificial narrow intelligence, and that's kind of been
the norm, the world that we've been in over recent years.

(01:09:22):
And I think what's happening is we've got a range
of these narrow artificial intelligences available within platforms such as
OpenAI's new GPT-6 model, but they're just kind of wired
and linked together. You don't actually have a I guess,

(01:09:42):
a true brain that can think across all areas of
domains and really operate like a human. And so, to me,
we're not there yet. One thing that would give me
confidence that we were there is any one of us
could delegate our job to an AI to look after
while we go on holiday for a week. I don't

(01:10:04):
think there's probably virtually anybody on the planet that can
say I could do, you know, at least, you know,
a half quality version of their work, you know, like that.
There's just so many gaps in the technology right now.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Paul, I just don't believe that's ever going to happen.
Like this feels like the Jetsons crap. You know, we've
been doing this forever, haven't we? Saying that this wonderful
thing is going to happen in the future and it
never really does. Do you ever believe, do you believe
this will ever happen?

Speaker 11 (01:10:32):
Well, I used to say no. Even a year ago,
I thought artificial general intelligence, this is science fiction and
it will never come. But the more I watch the
progress and see the improvements... the more open I am

(01:10:53):
to the possibility that things get really flipped on their head.
But it's a big journey to do it. It's not
just about the technology. It's around how businesses and organizations
work that technology into transforming themselves. This is not something
that happens in five minutes, that's for sure.

Speaker 7 (01:11:13):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
All right, Paul. Hey, thank you, man. Appreciate it as always.
It's Paul Spain, futurist and CEO at Guerrilla Technology. Listen,
if you have been wanting to know what's going on
with Tom Phillips and the police, the review of the
police handling of the Tom Phillips case, you're not going
to have to wait that long. It sounds like it's
going to come out in the next couple of weeks
or so. It was supposed to be released by now.
It was supposed to be released by the end of August,

(01:11:35):
but they had to delay the report by a month
in order to, quote, clarify a matter, whatever that means.
This is according to the Attorney General, Chris Bishop. Parliament
is going to rise on the 24th of this month,
so that's 16 days from now, and he says it
will be released by then. I am very interested in
all of this stuff starting to come out because I

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Speaker 2 (01:13:33):

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
Geez, I'll tell you what, the number of texts coming
in saying shut Wellington Zoo down is quite surprising, Heather.
Time to shut it down. It's a relic of the past.
Recent visits with the grandkids have only reinforced its use
by date as well past. I just assume naturally that
you couldn't shut the zoo down because a town like
this needs a zoo. But maybe you're right. Maybe it
is actually the opportunity to save some dollars for the
city council. 6.17.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
The Rural Report on Heather Duplessy-Allen Drive.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
And Jamie Mackay, host of The Country, is back with us.
Welcome back, Jamie.

Speaker 5 (01:14:04):
It's good to be back, Heather.

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
Mate, we got worried about you. Was that just the
flu that you had?

Speaker 7 (01:14:10):
Yeah, influenza A, but I must say, I did hear
you between five and six talking about my near-death experience.
And I'll throw a wee bit of Mark Twain back
at you, Heather. The reports of my death have been
greatly exaggerated, but it did. It bowled me for three
weeks or less, three weeks less. One day, I literally

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never get sick. Famous last words. I'm infamous in the
office for giving millennials and Gen Zers and Yers a
hard time about being soft and we don't have sick
days on the country. But this one got me well
and truly and I tried about three comebacks and each
time I kind of failed. I had to rest halfway

(01:14:53):
up the stairs just to walk upstairs. So look, it
was brutal and I'm blaming the ZB100 for either that
Heather or Well, the following day when I was in Auckland,
before I went down and spread my germs to the
Tauranga office, I did that open day, you know, the
City Rail Link open day with Rowena who used to
work with me. And we walked through the Karangahapi station, beautiful,

(01:15:16):
and had a look around about your underground rail. But
then I'm thinking my hands were on those kind of
escalator things that go.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
Up and down.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
And then you put them straight in your mouth, didn't you?

Speaker 7 (01:15:27):
Straight in my mouth, yeah, sucking my thumb. And there
I go. But anyhow, to anyone who's had Influence A,
it's brutal.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
Yeah, well, I'm pleased to hear that you're OK. Now,
what do you make of Labour and the ETS changes?

Speaker 5 (01:15:41):
Well, it's a bit of a U-turn, isn't it? I'm
pleased that they've done it.

Speaker 7 (01:15:45):
And I think this is pragmatism from Chippy. But it
is a bit of a U-turn when you look at,
you know, the Labour Party of 2020 to 23, when
they had complete control.

Speaker 5 (01:15:55):
This is the outfit that wanted.

Speaker 7 (01:15:57):
To introduce He Waka Ekanawa and effectively get rid of
roughly 20% of the sheep and beef.

Speaker 5 (01:16:03):
Farms in this country.

Speaker 7 (01:16:04):
This is also the outfit, and they're duck shoving this one.
They're blaming Shane Jones, and he's quick to blame them
about the billion tree program, like from 2017 to 20.

Speaker 5 (01:16:17):
But look, I'm pleased to see it.

Speaker 7 (01:16:19):
I don't think agriculture should be priced in the ETS,
and the reason for that is our issues, and I've
long held disbelief, and I'm not going to change my mind.

Speaker 5 (01:16:29):
You know, we've got a split gas approach.

Speaker 7 (01:16:32):
The problem with global warming and emissions is not necessarily
ruminants expelling methane. It's man burning fossil fuel. So interestingly,
Chippy is fully also committed to the Paris Agreement, which
puts them, which gives them more in common with the
Nats than the Nats have with the likes of New

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Zealand First, and the ACT Party. They're going to try and,
you know, what he's saying is rampant tree planting has depressed,
and he's right about this, has depressed the emissions trading
scheme price without encouraging emissions reductions, because these big players
internationally are just buying their way out of pollution or
planting their way out of pollution. And he's hoping that

(01:17:15):
some of the large exporters would drive emission reduction changes themselves.
And He quoted Fonterra and Silver Fern Farms, our biggest
dairy and our biggest meat companies, trying to reduce emissions. However,
when you look at the numbers, they're not that flash, Heather. Fonterra,
for example, targeting a 30% reduction in admissions by 2030

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compared to the peg.

Speaker 5 (01:17:40):
In the sand year of 2018-2022.

Speaker 7 (01:17:42):
As of 2025 last year, they'd only achieved just a 3.8% reduction.
There's a long way to go, but I say good
on Chippy, and at least ever, Labour has come out
with some ag policy.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
Yeah, well, there is that. At least there's something, because
it was a bit... Did you see the Q &
A farmer debate? Yes, I did.

Speaker 5 (01:18:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:18:06):
I studied it closely and some of the commentary around
that had Steve Abel killing the debate. Well, the only
thing Steve really, the Green Party spokesperson, killed was the
prospect of having. a farming industry that's sustainable in this country. Look,
poor old Jo Luxton. I felt sorry for her. Labour's ag,
she was laughed at. They were mocking her. And I

(01:18:27):
think Chippy should have given us some ag policy to
release because all she could say is we've got some
ag policy coming. For God's sake, we're less than two
months out from an election now. They need to get
this out. So this was a good start. Look, I thought,
and Daniel Airby, the Opportunity Party, look, beware of of
the Opportunity Party, if you're a farmer, he got some

(01:18:48):
of his numbers badly wrong on cow numbers and dairy
herd numbers and all that sort of stuff. To be honest,
I thought Andrew Hoggard might have won the debate from
the ACT Party.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
Yeah, I thought he was quite capable. We're very confident
as well. Jamie, thank you, mate. It's good to have
you back. We'll talk to you in a couple of days.
Jamie Mackay, host of The Country. That is exactly the
observation that Jamie made I was about to make, which
is Jo Luxon, the minute she opened her mouth and said, oh,
we're releasing policy soon, everybody basically laughed at her. And
it just became The longer it went on, the more
ridiculous it became, to the point that Jack Tame laughed.

(01:19:18):
And you know Jack Tame doesn't like to be mean
to anyone, right? Because he's a really nice guy. And
he doesn't want anybody to know that he could possibly
scorn a politician. But he scorned her. And when he
scorned her, I thought, oh, mate, you're going to have
to release some ag policy really quickly. And two days later,
out it came.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
6.22.

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Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
Heather jamie's right the zb 100 was a super spreader
event so many people fell sick really i didn't know
that i didn't fall sick But then again, I'd been jabbed.
Do you think we should have contact traced? Or maybe
we should have had a two-meter distancing and those masks
and stuff. Because it nearly took Jamie's life by the
sounds of things. Hey, speaking of taking lives, there's an

(01:20:16):
account that's just popped up online of those two chaps
who were rescued. Was it yesterday or the other day?
From the tunnel in Nepal. They'd been trapped there for
nine days. And it talks about basically how the guys
got in how long it took. It took them six
days to clear the debris to try and get these

(01:20:37):
people out. And there's a couple of guys who'd been
trapped in an air pocket and they had basically, like
they had some evacuation order. They had some awareness of
what was happening and they ran and managed to get
themselves into a position where they could survive. And they've
pulled them out now, almost gave up a bunch of times,
managed to, because there was more rain and there was
collapsing of the rock face and stuff like that. And
so they, you know, and I suppose if you've been

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digging for six days, you think no one's going to
be alive in there. But fortunately, they kept going and
eventually they found people alive. One of the guys has
a deep cut on his leg. It's got infected, so
he's had to have surgery. If you're having surgery for
an infection, it's pretty bad. He was in and out
of consciousness, didn't recognize his wife when he came out,
complained that she hadn't given him a bed. Classic marriage situation.
et cetera, et cetera. But what I'm fascinated by and

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what is not answered at all in any of the
coverage that I can see is how did they survive?
I mean, they were lying in a pool of water,
so I'm assuming there was water to drink. But did
they eat anything? Did they have food on them? What
was going on? Anyway, I think we're going to have
to wait for those questions to be answered to a
later date, I'd imagine, 627.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
If you've got a lame sense of humour, this one's 100%
for you. The Inbetweeners is back. You may remember last
year we told you that the show's original creators were
floating the idea of a reboot or a sequel. Now
Netflix has confirmed, yes, they're making a movie sequel to
the original series. It's called The Inbetweeners 3 because apparently
there is enough appetite for two other movies already. The
original members, Simon Bird, James Buckley, Blake Harrison and Joe

(01:22:08):
Thomas are all returning, as is the legacy character, the
1996 yellow Fiat. The original creators, Damon Beasley and Ian Morris,
are also back. And they said, we are going to
work hard every week to ensure there are no problemos
making this new film for humans. which is a callback.
But it just sounds a bit weird, doesn't it? Not funny. Anyway,
no timing yet on a release date, but the filming

(01:22:30):
has just started in the UK, so you might have
a date soon.

Speaker 23 (01:22:33):
Yay!

Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
Right, as I said earlier, Paul Bloxham of HSBC, first
time we've been able to talk to him since the
Reserve Bank hiked the OCR last week, so we'll get
into it straight after the news.

Speaker 24 (01:22:43):
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Speaker 2 (01:23:03):

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
What about this from Colin? Heather, the flu flattened me
as well. I had the jab. I developed atrial fibrillation.
Atrial fibrillation. Next week I have to go into hospital,
be put to sleep, and then they stop my heart
and then they fire it up again to resolve it.
And it was all triggered by the flu and I
had no heart problems. Isn't that wild? Who knew that

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that happened? Listen, on Nepal, which I was just telling
you about before, Nepal, by the way, has written to
the UN demanding climate compensation for what's just happened with
the recent flooding. They want the world's biggest emitters to
pay $ 20 million and accept shared responsibility for the disaster.
And the money basically comes from the UN's fund for
responding to loss and damage, which was set up a

(01:23:46):
couple of years ago, when I say a couple, maybe
like four years ago, with the Paris Climate Agreement.

Speaker 6 (01:23:51):
So.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
We'll see how they go with that, because their argument
is they don't really emit, and that's probably fair, actually.
But India and China, either side of them really do.
24 away from seven, Enda Brady's with us in 10 minutes' time.
Right now, we have Paul Bloxham, HSBC's chief economist.

Speaker 25 (01:24:04):
Hey, Paul.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
G'day.

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
Now, Paul, did I see you've changed your view on
what the RBA is going to do?

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
We have.

Speaker 26 (01:24:12):
The RBA, we think, has a bit more work ahead
of it. And so we changed that on the back
of a couple of things. The first thing is, a
couple of weeks ago, we got an upside surprise on inflation,
the monthly reading for July, and it was a reasonably
decent upside surprise. And then last week, we got GDP figures,
growth figures, that show that the economy is both growing
a bit faster than was expected, but also that the

(01:24:34):
supply side, the ability of the economy to actually meet
that demand, productivity has been very weak. In fact, it's
been going backwards. Over the last year, labour productivity has
been falling. And so the combination of having higher inflation
and having an economy that is growing faster than is sustainable,
faster than its speed limit. And we think the RBA
is going to have to lift interest rates further. So

(01:24:54):
we've got in mind that the RBA will have to
come back and.

Speaker 12 (01:24:57):
Lift interest rates.

Speaker 26 (01:24:57):
We think they'll probably lift interest rates at their next
meeting in September and then may very well have to
do another hike beyond that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
What does that do, do you think, to house prices?
Does it have a direct impact on what's going on
with your property market?

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
It does.

Speaker 26 (01:25:11):
And that's one of the consequences of this is that
the housing market is already cooling. So house prices have
already declined significantly. there's a daily index in Australia and
it's already down almost 5% since its peak nationally. And
we think that given we're going to get, we expect
more interest rate rises yet that the housing market will
probably cool further. So we've revised down our expectation for

(01:25:32):
house prices and we think a bigger decline is likely.
So you might say, well, if house prices are falling,
is the RBA really going to come and lift interest
rates any further? And that's a valid question, but the
answer really is, The RBA focuses on inflation. They target inflation.
Inflation is already too high. They don't focus on the
housing market. The two are linked together to some degree,

(01:25:52):
but we think they're going to have to lift interest
rates because of the inflation problem, even though it will
cool the housing market further.

Speaker 6 (01:25:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:25:59):
On the cooling housing market, I mean, there's a bit
of a correlation with what's going on in New Zealand.
I haven't had a chance to talk to you about
the RBNZ yet. They attribute what is going on with
cautious spending to the wealth effect and the fact that
our property prices have come backwards significantly. Would you agree
with them?

Speaker 6 (01:26:16):
I do.

Speaker 26 (01:26:16):
I think the difference between this cycle for New Zealand
and previous ones is that when the RBNZ has already
lowered rates as they had done a few years ago,
And when you had an economic upswing of the sort
that you're getting, normally what you've got is.

Speaker 12 (01:26:30):
A housing market that's already picking up as well.

Speaker 26 (01:26:33):
And the difference this time around is even though the
economy is in a recovery, the housing market is still
very weak. You came off the back of the really
large surge in prices through the pandemic and then the
decline in prices that came after it, and you just
haven't had any recovery. So, I think the really big
difference between this cycle and previous cycles and the thing
that's keeping it more gradual than we've seen in the

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past is the housing market and the fact that it's
still quite subdued, still quite weak.

Speaker 3 (01:27:01):
So do you think that if I was to look
at what Anna Bremen is saying and say it's a
pause in October, am I reading that about right?

Speaker 12 (01:27:08):
Well, we think so.

Speaker 26 (01:27:09):
We think that having lifted rates twice now, they will
pause at the next meeting. We think, you know, what
they've been looking to do is get the policy rate
a bit closer to neutral because.

Speaker 12 (01:27:19):
Inflation is above target. They're still below neutral.

Speaker 26 (01:27:22):
They're still providing support for the economy, but they needed
to move a little bit closer to be comfortable. But
we think that where they are now, they'll be comfortable
with when they get to that October meeting.

Speaker 12 (01:27:32):
And the trade-off now.

Speaker 26 (01:27:33):
Or the judgment now to be made is how worried
are they about inflation being a squashing what is only
a very gradual economic recovery that's underway at this point
in time.

Speaker 14 (01:27:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
Hey, it's good to talk to you as always, Paul.
You look after yourself. We'll talk to you again soon.
That's Paul Bloxham, HSBC's Chief Economist. It's 20 away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
Now, as I told you earlier, I am in Wellington.
and have walked into quite the drama that I didn't
realise was happening between Auckland and Wellington. And this is
because I looked at the paper today. And I love that,
I've told you this before, love the letters to the editor.
Love the letters to the editor in the same way
that I love talkback, because I think it's wonderful to just, just,
Have everybody have a bit of a chance to have

(01:28:16):
a crack at something and people bring up some really
interesting stuff. And there's quite the drama going on in
the letters to the editor in the Post in Wellington,
this local newspaper, about the fact that Aucklanders refer to
everything bad that comes out of the central government or
the public service as Wellington. And it kicks off like
we go, oh, look, Wellington did that. Oh, look, Wellington's
spending all the money. Kicks off on the 3rd of

(01:28:37):
September when Carolyn Mark of Canberra, writes a letter in.
She says, I read the article by Mark Todd about
Auckland's housing plan with increasing irritation. Five times he referred
to Wellington. Each time he was not talking about the
city I live in, he was referring to a bunch
of politicians, most of whom came from Auckland, and very
few of whom actually come from Wellington, whose decisions he

(01:28:59):
doesn't like. Most Wellingtonians, meaning the people who live here,
says Carolyn, in fact have no interest whatsoever in Auckland's
housing plan and are happy for them to decide for themselves.
When did Aucklanders start using the name Wellington as shorthand
for Parliament as opposed to a city, and why? And
will they please stop doing it? Question mark, exclamation mark. Well,
five days on, which is where we are today, and

(01:29:20):
the letters haven't stopped. And all over the region, they're
loving what Carolyn has to say. They're saying from all
over the Wellington region. Mike Regan of Tiaro. Oh, that's
literally how he starts it. Oh, exclamation. We so agree
with that. Nobody writes the sentence. We so agree, other
than a Wellingtonian. Do you know what I mean? We
so agree with Carolyn Mark of Kelburn, comma, letters, exclamation. Brackets, comma, brackets, letters, comma,

(01:29:46):
September 3. Close parentheses. This Auckland habit of blaming our
country's woes on Wellingtonians is galling and something I noticed
had increased dramatically since Wayne Brown became the mayor of Auckland.
He rarely talks about MPs or government, instead loading his
frustration on Wellington citizens. It's lazy and shameful. No, actually,
I put that in. I wish he said that. It's

(01:30:06):
lazy and harmful, he said. And alienates all Wellingtonians, blah.

Speaker 5 (01:30:10):
Blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:11):
Daryl wrote in from Parramatta, may I add to Carolyn
Mark's excellent admonishment of Aucklanders and on it goes. Now,
I do think, I mean, you know I hate the
decisions that come out of this place sometimes. And my...
regard for the public service is not at an all-time
high currently. However, I feel that Carolyn and Daryl and
Mike all have a very good point here, which is

(01:30:33):
actually that Wellington is full of some really decent people,
and many of them are my friends, and they do
not actually... Well, not many of them. Like, that's overstating it,
isn't it? There are a lot of my friends who
live in Wellington, and it is unfair to lump them
and be pejorative about them and pretend that they are
the ones making the decisions. So I feel that on principle...

(01:30:54):
Newstalk ZB Drive will no longer do that. We will
not refer to stupid decisions coming out of Wellington as Wellington.
We will refer to them as coming from the place
they've come from, whether it's the Beehive or Treasury or
whatever it is, because we've heard how, how, we said
as well to Carolyn's letter off to the UK next,
17 away from seven.

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Speaker 2 (01:31:29):

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
Heather, ha ha. Let's not forget Wellington residents elected Tory whanau.
They have no high ground. I mean, that you can
sheet back to Wellington. You can say, oh, look, Wellington
did that. They elected Tory. And that is something to
genuinely be ashamed of. Wellington, 14 away from seven. Enda Brady,
UK correspondent, is with us.

Speaker 6 (01:31:49):
Hello, Enda.

Speaker 24 (01:31:51):
Heather, lovely to speak to you again.

Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
Okay, so thoughts on why it is that King Charles
decided to send out this letter?

Speaker 24 (01:31:58):
I think it's just dotting the I's and crossing the T's.
And he wants everyone to be under no assumptions that
Harry and Meghan are representing him or the royal family.
So he sent the letter out. basically to tell anyone
who will be involved in hosting them or anything they're
arranging this autumn that, you know, you don't have to

(01:32:20):
go full kind of royal family mode because guess what?
They're not in the royal family anymore. So when the
monarch or one of the royal family visit a county,
there is someone called the Lord Lieutenant and it's their
problem to arrange the visit, who's going to meet them,
what they're going to eat, what the timings. And I
think the king is just putting it on their radar

(01:32:41):
that guess what? My son does not represent me.

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
Ah, very interesting. Okay, now, how do you think Trump
is going to handle the fact? Let me rephrase that.
How do you think he handled it on the phone
call that Andy Burnham told him they're going to sanction
the illegal Israeli settlements?

Speaker 24 (01:32:57):
I would say the phone call was pretty brief and quiet,
but I think there will be fire and fury later
on today. Now, Ben Gavir is an Israeli security minister.
He is a settler himself. And he has taken to
social media in the past couple of hours calling on
the government of Argentina to go and take the Falklands.

(01:33:17):
He's basically said that Israel recognises Argentina's claim of sovereignty
to Las Malvinas, as they call the Falkland Islands. So
you're seeing the rhetoric ramp up. And could it be
that Trump then backs Israel over the Falkland Islands? I
think Andy Burnham is opening a can of worms here.

Speaker 3 (01:33:36):
Yeah, might be right there. How do you think people
feel about the fact that these boats are now reaching
Portsmouth and not just Dover?

Speaker 24 (01:33:42):
They're angry and they're worried. So you've seen these masked men,
hundreds of them, turn up in Dover on Saturday and
then in Portsmouth the other night causing problems for the police.
The criminal gangs, the people traffickers, are changing their tactics.
So it would appear they're getting bigger dinghies. 120, 130
men can fit on some of these dinghies, if not more.

(01:34:05):
And they're launching 200 kilometers further south of Calais. So
this is an area where they've never set off from before.
It's basically the mouth of the River Seine, Bay de Seine,
they call it in France, and then pointing towards England.
And they know as soon as they get into British
territorial waters, a lifeboat will have to come and rescue
the people if they're in danger of capsizing. So It's

(01:34:27):
a complete mess. You know, it's like whack-a-mole trying to
solve the problem in Calais and they're popping up elsewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:34:34):
So, I mean, one of the things that happened, obviously,
with these protesters is that police cars, the windows were smashed.
They say they didn't do it and they say lefties
did it to make them look bad. What do you say?

Speaker 24 (01:34:47):
I would say who else was running around at 3am
in the morning wearing masks in the city of Portsmouth?
I would say A lot of people would have been
in bed getting ready to go to work in the morning.
You have to question who these guys are, who's firing
them up, and whose social media platforms are telling them
that people are being brought ashore in dinghies in Portsmouth.

(01:35:08):
It's a mess. It's very, very dangerous. And ultimately, we
saw police officers get injured here the other night because
of it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
Yeah. How are people feeling about this robbery-themed bar?

Speaker 24 (01:35:21):
So the business community in Hatton Garden are very angry
about this. So if you go back, I think it's
14 years since that robbery. I was actually there the
very next morning. If memory serves me right, it was
an Easter bank holiday Monday. And it was one of
those weekends where Easter coincides with Jewish Passover and Eid

(01:35:41):
as well. So it was like a triple religious festival weekend.
Nobody was working or doing anything. And this gang of
elderly crooks somehow drilled their way into the basement and
stole all those safety deposit box. Now, about 30 million
NZ dollars went missing in a few hours. And now
someone has put in planning permission to turn that safety

(01:36:03):
vault into a robbery themed bar. A lot of people
didn't get their money back. And they're very, very cross
that someone else might think it's funny to go and
have a drink there and toast criminality.

Speaker 3 (01:36:15):
Yeah, that's fair enough, I suppose. Enda, thanks very much, man.
Look after yourself. It's good to talk to you. Enda Brady,
UK correspondent. A New Zealand First candidate has outed herself
as being the one who proposed the citizen-only voting as
a policy for New Zealand First. Her name is Bernadette Soares.
She says, when I arrived in New Zealand from India
37 years ago, I was just 21 years old. My
husband had been offered a skilled job in New Zealand.

(01:36:37):
We packed two suitcases each and brought with us 500
US dollars and took an enormous leap of faith. And
over the years, New Zealand became much more than the
country we lived in. It became our home. We raised
our three children here and so on and so forth.
Somewhere along that journey, I made another important decision. to
become a New Zealand citizen. For me, citizenship wasn't simply
about getting a different passport. It was a declaration that

(01:36:57):
this was my country. Too many immigrants arriving today are
able to live in New Zealand without integrating into New
Zealand society. For many, they don't want to or need
to when English's limited communities remain culturally separate. New Zealand
is at risk of creating parallel societies and over time
changing the character and values of the New Zealand we know.
I feel strongly about protecting what we have and that's
why I'm standing up for Parliament. Do you know what?

(01:37:19):
It doesn't surprise me at all that it's an immigrant
who has posed this. For some reason, you will find
the strongest sentiment about immigration within the immigrant community, which
is interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
Isn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:37:32):
Eight away from seven. Ooh, it sounds like it got
a bit fiery at Auckland Council today. They were discussing
the fast track, because I don't know if you've followed this,
but Wayne Brown really hates a fast track, doesn't he?
Hates a fast track housing development. Anyway, as a result
of that, the councillors have voted unanimously to investigate ways
to tell the developers that they're not wanted. They've taken
legal advice on ways for council and its related arms

(01:37:54):
like Watercare to have a united view and stance on
the project. And Councillor Lottie Fully, who I vaguely recall
once complained about poor language at the council table, said,
this is literally a shit show. When things turn to shit,
it's going to be us who have to step in
and fix and pay for it. I am happy to
be corrected, but I think Lottie was the one who

(01:38:16):
said the language was poor. So she's feeling fired up
about it. By the way, happy news for you. If
you're waiting for GTA 6 PS5, you know what that means, okay?
You know what that means. you're waiting for it got
the date for you november 19 and happy days happy
days it's going to unlock at midnight everywhere which means

(01:38:36):
you don't don't go to work on november 19 because
you're getting it in new zealand 18 hours before everybody
else aren't you lock.

Speaker 12 (01:38:43):
I am indeed.

Speaker 13 (01:38:44):
And you can consider this as me asking for my
leave for that day. What a surprise.

Speaker 3 (01:38:48):
Do you reckon, will you start playing at midnight? Probably.

Speaker 13 (01:38:52):
I mean, like if it was another game, probably not.
But GTA 6 is like the biggest game release ever.

Speaker 3 (01:38:59):
So what's your plan? Are you going to go to
sleep first and then wake up at midnight? Or are
you just going to do an all-nighter?

Speaker 12 (01:39:04):
I'm 22, Heather.

Speaker 13 (01:39:05):
I'm not going to sleep.

Speaker 3 (01:39:06):
Okay.

Speaker 13 (01:39:07):
I'm doing the all-nighter. Anyway, onto the tunes. I've got
creeped by Radiohead today because, as you mentioned, they're not
coming to New Zealand. Tom York, if you're listening to
Newstalk's Ebby's Drive show.

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
Please, please, please.

Speaker 3 (01:39:21):
How good, though? How good?

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:39:23):
I'm very strongly debating hopping over the ditch for it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
I haven't been back to Oz in a while.

Speaker 13 (01:39:28):
Maybe it'll be a nice little holiday with some Radiohead
mixed in.

Speaker 2 (01:39:31):
Maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:39:32):
I'm not debating whether to go. I'm just debating whether
it's Sydney or Melbourne at this stage.

Speaker 13 (01:39:36):
Oh, fair enough.

Speaker 3 (01:39:37):
Sydney, though, isn't it?

Speaker 12 (01:39:38):
Sydney. Sydney's closer.

Speaker 3 (01:39:39):
Melbourne.

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
Okay, right.

Speaker 3 (01:39:42):
So, anyway, that's the end of just being mean to
entire cities. I'll see you tomorrow back in Auckland and
enjoy your evening. Newstalk ZB. So very special I wish
I was special.

Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
But I'm a creep I'm a widow.

Speaker 5 (01:40:12):
What the hell am I doing here?

Speaker 3 (01:40:18):
I don't belong.

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
Here I don't belong here.

Speaker 1 (01:40:30):
For more from Heather Duplessy-Allen Drive, listen live to News
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