Full Show Podcast: 09 December 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Ryan
Bridge on hither duper cellan drive with one New Zealand
coverage like no one else.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
New Stalks said, good afternoon, seven after before Chris Bish
upon the RMA this afternoon acc caves on working from home,
the school lunch principle and the expensive trip to Queenstown,
Murray Olds in Australia and the Brady in the UK.
And we'll speak to the navy boss about Chinese warships
tailing them through the Taiwan straight. He's a great chat.
He tells us what they actually talk about over the radio. Fascinating,

(00:32):
Ryan Bridge, you're on news talk, said b These RMA
changes hit the nail on the head today by putting
private property rights front and center. These rights are basically
what keeps rich countries rich and their absence keeps poor
countries poor. If a council wants to infringe on them,
it should compensate you for it, and these changes basically
lower the threshold for compensation, which is a good thing.

(00:54):
If you want to suddenly invent as significant natural area
or label something heritage, well that may cost you counselor
it'll make councils think twice before imposing some of this
stupid stuff on property owners. We've had too many examples
of councils just making these things up in restricting land
use on a whim, on an airy fairy idea. The

(01:15):
reason that private property rights are so important is quite simple.
You use your land as collosterol to borrow, to build,
to invest. Owning acts as an incentive to build assets.
It creates growth and production, and this production is then taxed.
The taxes pay for nice things, nice communal things like

(01:35):
hospitals and classrooms. What we need now is for politicians
to actually stick to this plan and not mess with it.
The new bills will pass first reading next week, and
the first bits will come into effect by the end
of next year, all going to plan. Half the consents
currently required will no longer be needed. Anyone who's been
through the consenting process is going to be celebrating that today,

(01:58):
But only if the changes stick, only if Labor promises
not to touch them. Because this is not our first rodeo.
Remember it was Labor who first repealed the RMA and
replaced it with two new bills that was nine hundred
pages long. The coalition got in and one of the
first things they did was rip it all up. We
reverted back to the Rima, which is where we are now.

(02:20):
And now the coalition's bills are out. They're seven hundred
and fifty pages long. The test of how long they
remain low is not lasting another term of coalition, but
a first term of a labor government, whenever that may be.
Rayan Bridge and number of text love to hear from

(02:44):
you this afternoon. Also we'll look at why Westpac is
putting up some of their mortgage interest rates. A bit
of a worry now. The Greens have surveyed four hundred
x pat kiwis and they say they've found eighty two
percent of them are so worried about their student loan
debt they're not coming home for Chris. Seventy percent of
kwis overseas with students that are overdue on their repayments.

(03:05):
Lawrence shu Nan is the Green Party's overseas New Zealander's spokesperson. Lawrence.
Good afternoon, Oh killer, Ryan, how did you survey them?

Speaker 3 (03:17):
So we send out basically a form for people to
various I guess various people overseas, with a special focus
in UK and Australia because those are the areas, the
two regions that has most of our New Zealanders being overseas,

(03:38):
and then we collated some of these information and packaged
into a report. But a lot of the data that
you're seeing that you mentioned before, in terms of seventy
one percent of obviously still longe borrowers with overdue payment,
that's actually from education counts. That's something that's from our
own domestic and official data.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
But your survey, how do you find these people overseas?
Are they green boaters? Are they on your main list?

Speaker 4 (04:02):
No?

Speaker 3 (04:02):
We've actually used in many cases, as we see with
other things, we use social media to reach out to
people and to say that this is something that we're conducting.
So it's very much we're trying our best to make
sure that it is as independent as possible.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Okay, and what do you want to happen? I mean,
eighty two percent of Kiwi's worried about this, so worried
about this student learned they're not coming home for the Christmas.
What do we do with that information?

Speaker 3 (04:24):
I think the main thing with the report is that
we have identified an issue and now we're asking for
a non parlatan solution to it as an inquiry to
the solid Committee.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Right, is it a problem that they're not coming home?

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Well, I think anyone who you know, obviously New Zealanders
that if they want to be reunited with their families
and with their parents and their loved ones in Autio
in New Zealand, they should absolutely d well. For a
lot of them, as you seeing the report that it's
sometimes outside of their own control. While the dead actually
accrued and also it's you know, expanded to to an extent.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
How is what proportion of them reported that that was
out of their control? The fact they got the debt,
I think.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
In terms of some of the data that you saw
and also our official data that we have ballooned in
terms of our longt.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
No sorry, just coming back, sorry line, it's just coming
back to that point because I think it's important. One
you've said that there are people who have got the
debt because it's out and it's out of their control
that they have got the debt. What exactly about it
was out of their control?

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Part of that is a couple of this is why
they were asking for inquiry, because there the number of
loopholes number one one of the things we look at
is the fact that sometimes when they're going overseas, they
didn't realize or couldn't pay for a small amount of
loan that they have, but over time it compounded in
terms of arrears, and now it comes becomes after twenty years,

(05:47):
something that becomes unaffordable. That's one perspective. The other perspective,
they simply are not the didn't by idea they have
a loan?

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Did they tell them where their address was, you know,
then where they've moved to. I mean, there were people
listening to this line, so just think this is absolute
clap trap and these people got it. Did they went
overseas because they didn't want to pay it back? And
now they don't want to come home for Christmas? And
that's their own fault. Why should we care?

Speaker 3 (06:12):
I think I think that's also unfair analysis in some ways,
because you know, there's no data to actually also say
that people who have a crutius that don't want to
pay it off. You'll find that in you know a
lot of the data.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Speaks for itself. If they wanted to pay it off,
they would. I mean, are they overseas poor? You know,
are they homeless? Overseas or are they going to the pub.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
For some of they're genuinely is hartship. So one of
the ones we have got is someone who couldn't finish
university here, moved to Australia because of domestic violence and
homelessness and then trying to find a job and then
they didn't realize that their debt would be increased to
the certain extent. Also, bear in mind that we have
this fantasy that people who are going overseas are often
going to places which have better you know, salaries, et cetera.

(06:58):
Or if you get people who simply going overseas wanting
to expand their horizon and then do something different and
they learn different skills, and those people from Cambodia, from
Hungary don't necessarily earn the same amount as we do
here in Altiro on New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
So why would you move?

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Because frankly, there's simply isn't enough job here. And this
is one of the reasons why this is such a
crucial issue. We're currently at a nine year high for
unemployment and we're going to be seeing more and more
young people and these are young people with extremely high
student dead You know, if you talk to young people today.
A number of them will have that easily over five
hundred or over fifty thousand dollars, and they are going

(07:35):
to be slapped with an increase in terms of seeing
along an increase in terms of the arrears and the
long the interest rate on their debt. And these are
the people that we want to eventually want to attract
back to al TYERU bring the skills they have from
overseas and contribute back to our society. But right now
we're creating barriers and they're being double panelized.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Lawrence, appreciate your time this afternoon. Thanks for being with
me and.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
Is so much. Really appreciate it and hope you.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Have a merry Christmas.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
You two.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Lawrence Schunhan, who's the Green Party's overseas New Zealand as spokesperson.
It is quarter past four.

Speaker 5 (08:10):
Ever dupericy, Ellen, Ryan Bridge.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
One or the other who really cares. I'm here, not
overseas now. I paid my student loan off and it
was annoying because and I didn't go move overseas, live
overseas basically because I couldn't afford to, and I had
a job here and it was not a great paying job.
But it was a job, and it took a long time,
probably took a decade to pay it off. I think

(08:34):
making the minimum repayments as I did. But how is
it feared to people who are here doing that that
you then offer some kind of relief or some kind
of exemption for people who've skived off overseas. I'm not
saying we've flushed with jobs in New Zealand, but come on,
come on, people. Quarter past four DARCINEX with sport.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
It's the Heather duper Cy Allen Drive Full Show podcast
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Speaker 5 (08:59):
Said.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
News Talk said, but it's four eighteen good, don't come home,
says the Texture. I'm over these thieves that have given
us the middle finger. This is the Key West with
student loans who go overseason, aren't paying them back and
can't come home for Christmas. Boo boo. I'll get a life, Greenie,
says this texture. I'd pay back every cent of my
fifty thousand dollars student loan. Why should they bugger off
and leave the debt on the books? Another says Ryan,

(09:22):
tell them the issue that they should pay their debts.
Remember it was an interest free loan. Face the facts,
says Trish. It is four eighteen.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Bored with tab power plays better unlocked, bigger odds are
eighteen bet responsibly.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Dusky water graves. He was sport hey dars.

Speaker 6 (09:41):
I avoided the student loan issue. Surprise, surprise.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
I have zero.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Education, but you have a lovely mustache, Thank you very much.

Speaker 6 (09:49):
No, I took it on board. Yesterday I had a
huge beard and I was getting bored on my beard,
warrens my beard, so I just shaved it out to get.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
This skinny massive handlebar.

Speaker 6 (10:01):
Is horrible, isn't it?

Speaker 4 (10:02):
Sorry?

Speaker 6 (10:02):
It'll go in a couple of days.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
That's okay, it's impressive. It's impressive.

Speaker 6 (10:06):
Now he's looking at me weirdly.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Cricket CEO. Now he says he's going on leave the
school holidays, but then coming back on December nineteen.

Speaker 6 (10:17):
Now, if you had to believe the company line that
Richard Block put out, you go, okay, that sounds fair enough.
If you had have let a bit conspiracy theorist, why
don't you do this? Who goes on leave for a
week a week before Christmas? Exactly what's going to happen
between when he comes back?

Speaker 4 (10:33):
And well?

Speaker 7 (10:34):
Nothing?

Speaker 6 (10:35):
It's Christmas, and then you've got that horrible time between
Christmas and New Year where nothing happens in.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
New Zealandah the gooots they call it.

Speaker 6 (10:43):
That's the one.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
It so is here a dead man walking.

Speaker 6 (10:46):
I wouldn't say dead. That's a bit over the top,
but it sounds like the knives are out for him.
Sounds like it's being drawn. That's very complex.

Speaker 7 (10:52):
Now.

Speaker 6 (10:53):
I will back ween Ink for one reason and one
reason only. I think that Robinson and New Zealand Rugby
ran way too fast at silver Lake because someone was
sewing some shiny stuff at them and they magpider and
they went there, give us the money. I think what
we's doing, and maybe he's acting too slowly, but he's

(11:13):
going who whoaa, everybody, calm the farm. We've got all
these options in front of us. We don't want to
sell the family jewels for nothing. And he's learned from that.
I think that's upset a few people. I'm not in
a sanctim of New Zealand cricket, I don't know, but
from a birchie, when you look at it, you go, well,
he's being slow.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
He's being cautious, slow and stead. He might win the race.
It comes to Mitchell Hay. He's on debut for a
Black Caps in the Windys.

Speaker 6 (11:37):
I think people are probably tired of me pumping up
the guy's tires when I'm going to carry on with
it anyway, Mitchell Hay is a class player and I
believe that he'll ended up being the white ball and
the red ball keeper for New Zealand for quite some time.
He can bat and he can keep. He's got the
right attitude and of course he comes from Canterbury that

(12:00):
I had to get that in there.

Speaker 7 (12:01):
This is good for him, Yeah, good for him.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
And the venues have been announced for the home All
Blacks Test next year. Why is Wellington nominalist?

Speaker 6 (12:09):
I don't know. I'm still trying to work that one out.
Are you going to look at the fact maybe there's
a huge corporate attendance there in the seats that no
one gets to see because they're all up in the
side drinking beer and the rest of it as well.
It's Italy, it's Italy weird. Well, they don't sell any
tickets tore Argentina. They might get.

Speaker 7 (12:28):
Twenty five twenty thousand, which is okay.

Speaker 6 (12:31):
They sold out the French, they sold out South Africa
who wouldn't quite Frankly, we don't have good success there.
I don't. I want to see it go out to
the provinces this game. There are plenty of Stadia you
can call them in and around in Karanaki and the Hawks,
Bay and Tasman that would jam pack a game because

(12:54):
it's only Italy. With all due respect, people aren't going
to turn up to Wellington. They've shown that they can't
or they won't, so they got to spread the love.
What they might lose a bit of money, I'm not
I want to see they.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Might't lose a bit of money there anyway. Grave Sports
talk host seven o'clock to night News talks the show
tonight brilliant Look twenty two News talks the b.

Speaker 5 (13:17):
Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
It's Ryan Bridge on Hither Duplicy Ellen Drive with one
New Zealand coverage like no one else's news talks.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
They'd be four twenty five. Great to have your company
this Tuesday afternoon. I was almost going to not tell
you about this story because when I read the story
this morning, my I could feel my pulse quickening, my
blood was boiling, my palms. We even getting a little
bit sweaty. This is not start of a rap song.
This is the start of a very bad story about education.

(13:46):
And you know that kids aren't doing very well in school.
And you know that you work hard and you pay
your taxes, and you know you're still struggling to get
a hit. Many of you you fullgo holidays. You know,
people do it tough, right, and then the schools get
money and the schools spend money, and they spend it
on absolute crap like Sutton Park School. This is an

(14:07):
auditors report came out this morning to twenty twenty four
accounts Audit General's annual report. Sutton Park School spent eleven
thousand dollars for a staff planning meeting at SkyCity. How
do you justify that? It gets worse? There are many
examples like this to Kuta Copapa Maari or Manurewa and

(14:29):
to Fuddy Kuda Manurewa applied. This is for their twenty
twenty one, twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three audits.
The school board provided so little financial information auditors could
not give an opinion on their accounts. How do you
get away with that? How do you do that? It's
outrageous shut them down. Six thousand a year fund for

(14:51):
professional coaching and support for principles, which sounds like a
roart case in point your hyata. It's not a school,
it's a community. Amberson Christ Church. You know Piggy Burrows
the school lunch lady. Yeah, sheese in hot water trip
to Queenstown. Eighteen five hundred dollars for the school leadership team.

(15:11):
I'll tell you details after news, sport and weather.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Your hard questions, strong opinion, Ryan Bridge on Heather du
for cy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the

(15:40):
power of satellite mobile news talk said, be on the streets.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Queen is pretty five away from five year on news talks.
It'd be great to have your company big hullor below
at Parliament this afternoon. The protesters have been throwing stuff
at MP's in the house. It's all about messy. Barry
Soper on that in about ten minutes time. Also five
point thirty five this evening. You'll be interested to hear
from Erica Stamford on the Office of the Audit General
report to the Secretary of Education covering audits completed in

(16:09):
the twelve months to October this year, and they include
one highata community campus in christ Church. You'll know the
name the school lunch Debarcle. You know they said that,
he said, she said over the who gave the Maldi
lunches to the kids? Now, Peggy Burrows is the principal.
You would have seen her in the media sparring with
David Seymour. It says this report that she and her

(16:32):
senior leadership team spent eighteen thousand, five hundred dollars on
a trip to Queenstown. Ten thousand dollars of that was
on accommodation, six thousand odd meals, drinks and tourist activities
in Queenstown. They say it was to visit a local
school and as part of a team building opportunity. Okay,
school did not provide This is what the Auti General's

(16:54):
Office said. School did not provide enough evidence that all
spending incurred as part of the trip had a clear
business purpose. She has come out since and said there
was no public money used for a holiday in Queenstown.
Now that's an interesting thing to say, no public money
used for a holiday in Queenstown. Okay, But public money

(17:16):
used for a trip to Queenstown. Let's not argue squabble
over definitions. Excuse me, So the money is in fact
public money. She's arguing it's part of a professional development
well being fund that goes to teach. I'm sorry, I
don't care what fund, what dosh, what slush fund that
comes from It's public money, isn't it. It's public money.

(17:40):
So anyway, she's come out and basically defended the spend.
Say nothing to see here, nothing wrong with it. But
clearly the Office of the Order to General disagrees with that.
So what happens now? What happens now? This is how
many years have we had these reports and nothing seems
to change. So will something finally change? We'll ask Erica Stanford.
Maybe next year Piggy and Co. Could go to some

(18:02):
sort of cooking lesson.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
It's the world wires on news dogs, it'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Let's go across the testament where the RBA has kept
interstrates on hold at three point six percent.

Speaker 8 (18:16):
The good news though, is that it's not more money
being put into people's pockets, and of course that's the
big issue right now in terms of the momentum in
the economy is strong, and part of that people out
there spending and putting upward pressure on inflation.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
The streaming giants Powamount is trying to cut Netflix's lunch.
The Hollywood behemoth has made a hostile takeover offer for
Warner Bros. Of one hundred and eighty six billion New
Zealand dollars. Powamount Skydare CEO David Allison says the one
hundred and forty billion offer from Netflix is not giving
shareholders like me. I should add the value that we deserve.

Speaker 9 (18:48):
Without the synergies that's basically created by our ideal, they
will ultimately be holding something that is not worth anything
by every magic you can look at. We believe that
our offer is superior to shareholders.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
And finally, jingle bells, Jingle bells, Jingle Let's go to America.
Some prison inmates in North Carolina have tried and failed
to get an early Christmas dinner delivered to them. A
drone dropped a care package in the prison yard containing
what everyone wants for Christmas, a raw steak, crab, legs, seasoning,
a couple of boxes of cigarettes, and some cannabis. Unfortunately

(19:21):
for the prisoners, the guards found it and confiscated the hamper,
and they've investigated how it got there in the first place.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, Peace of mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Marie Old's are Australia correspondent Murray. Good afternoon, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Ho ho ho.

Speaker 10 (19:39):
That prisoner's well done.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
You Yeah, I mean you could have give them points
for an ingenuity, Yeahti excellent. They could have kept a
couple of cigarettes surely as confident. Anyway, the RBA is
holding intra straight steady at three point six percent, and
how's that going down?

Speaker 10 (19:56):
Everyone has been expecting it. In fact, it was even
onemus today. Are leading economists at the reserve banks will
actually raise interest rates today? And I'll tell you why,
he says, mortgage holders. And that's one third of the economy.
The longer rate hikes delayed, the higher interest rates will
have to go up next year. Now, inflation much hotter

(20:16):
than expected, national accounts and household spending figures, the economy
is accelerating, and we're now expecting interest rates in the
new year. Only a minute ago, Ryan, it was as
though that interest rates were bound to come down before
Christmas with an early Christmas present, a bit like those prisoners.
But I mean inflation three point eight percent in the
year to October, up from three point six percent in September. Now,

(20:39):
the Reserve Bank, which sets interest rates over here, it
says it wants it between two and three percent. Unemployments
about four and a half percent. The Reserve Bank says
it's got to go a bit higher than that before
it'll be comfortable. In terms of inflation, household spending's up
one point three percent, the biggest increase since Annuary last year,

(21:01):
five and a half percent high from this time last year.
So what the Reserve Bank is worried about. It's already
provided three interest rate cuts this year, and the official
cash rate now three point six percent.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
They're worried.

Speaker 10 (21:13):
The Reserve Bank is clearly concerned. That's a bit low
because you know, it wants inflation down. That's the dragon
that must be slain, they say. And if they have
to pull that interest rates trigger and go up, they will.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
All Right, a new momentum in the Orchest relationship. What's
the update here, Mary.

Speaker 10 (21:30):
Well, it's interesting because we don't really know. I mean,
you've had the you know, the much belly hooed American
review of Orcast What's in.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
It for us?

Speaker 10 (21:38):
Kind of thing? And what's in it for us in
Australia when we know we're going to be playing about
almost five hundred billion dollars for submarines women never see
and if they do have arrived, there may be out
a date. But as far as the United States is concerned,
it's full steam ahead. You've got the Deputy Prime Minister,
Richard Miles, he's the Defense Minister, the Foreign Minister for Australia,
Penny Wong. They are in Washington, d C. For the

(22:02):
annual Osman Talks. That's the Australia US ministerial level talks
between foreign ministers and defense ministers, and the preview has
come for those two ministers. The report has been released
to key people. It has not yet been made public.
But Donald Trump is saying, listen, we love August. We
think it's a wonderful idea. And the Secretary of War

(22:25):
that extraordinarily well haircutted what's his name, hes Geth. He's
bellowing about a billion dollars and Australia's are repaying billions
of dollars of these, half which to help them build
the submarines in the first place. Anyway, he seems to
think it's all pretty.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
Gung ho as well.

Speaker 10 (22:42):
We hope to find the details later this week because
it's our money.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
It's good to have you on the shows always. Murray
Old's are Australia Correspondent. It's eighteen away from five Bryant Bridge.
So just coming to this Auckland bus incident. And if
you're in Auckland, I would forgive you for wanting to
drive a car. I mean most of us do anyway,
but I would forgive you for not onet to get
on a bus because of this. You know, we had
that bus fire not long ago, someone died on Tommicky Drive.
Remember it was an E bus. I don't know whether

(23:07):
it was the battery whatever. And now two people have
been stabbed on a bus, you know, just trying to
get home in the evening. This happened on a bus
trip from glenn Innis to Oraki in Auckland. Police thankfully
have arrested the guy who's alleged to have done this.
So two separate stabbings. One man sadly has lost his life,
one was injured totally unprovoked. Here's the Detective Inspector Glenn Baldwin.

Speaker 11 (23:33):
The man was the victim of an unprovoked attack of
board the bus as he was exiting the bus. He
got off the bus near Fenchurch Street. He was taken
by ambulance to Auckland Hospital and died a short time later.
A second man has undergone surgery on his hand today.
The same offender initiated an unprovoked attack on the second victim,

(23:55):
who's a man aged fifty one.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
That's awful now. The really awful thing is that the
attack on the second guy happened about ten minutes after
the first and the bus driver carried on his normal
route because he didn't realize the first one had been attacked.
He didn't realize there was any problem at all, so
just carried on his normal route. Another guy gets on,
he gets dabbed. Awful seventeen away from five Barry Soaper

(24:20):
with the Hullabala from Parliament.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Next politics with centric credit, check your customers and get
payments thirtaty.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Fourteen to five Barry Soper here, Hey, Barry, good afternoon,
right kind of got our rima announcement A you underwhelmed, overwhelmed,
feeling good?

Speaker 7 (24:33):
Nu, I'm overwhelmed. Actually I think you know this, Like
I said to you yesterday I remember when the bill
was introduced initially by Jeffrey Palmer in nineteen eighty nine.
It was a mess really from the start, and it
governed everything in New Zealand, even down to the air
we breathed. And really something had to give and and
the red tape was strangling the country when it was

(24:57):
trying to build and do whatever it wanted to do.
Chris Bishop, he's described the changes as the single largest
economic reform and a generation and I think he might
be right there, because many governments have tried to amend
the Resource Management Act and this one basically does away
with it all together and replaces it with what they

(25:18):
call a Planning Act and a Natural Environment Act. But
as we heard yesterday from the Prime Minister, cutting consent
and permit numbers by forty six percent, which is extraordinary,
really rima reform Minister, Chris Bishop, he outlined how things
are about to change when he spoke at the bee
Hive lockup of journals and analysts this afternoon.

Speaker 12 (25:41):
Activities that have small impacts will no longer require a
consent at all, which means we can focus the system
on what matters most and only on what matters the most.
Takes on average around six to seven years to develop
an average city or district plan. We think we can
get the plan making process down to around two years.
Gone are the days of every man and his dog
getting a say in what you do with your own property.

(26:03):
In short, we are fundamentally changing most of what has
failed in the RIMA.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Here heir to that absolutely good ridden snout rough start
to the final session of Parliament. This is the protesters.
Someone's texting Barry saying, this disruption in the gallery at
the House today? Why are we so wet? They should
have been arrested and charged Brown, He needs to toughen
up his speaker.

Speaker 7 (26:21):
Well, you know, it's really interesting that that texter said
that because I was watching everything unfolding and a fire
alarm went off and I thought it was the alarm
at Parliament because I had my headphones on, but in
fact it was a fire alarm here. Yeah, so I
had to leave the building. But look, it was quite
extraordinary really, the security guards. They dragged pro Palestinian protesters

(26:48):
across some chairs at the back of Parliament. They were
about a dozen of them, but they did kick up
a lot of stink. They threw pamphlets down on both
sides of the House National Labors. There was after it,
a larger than usual presence of security and police in
the gallery, not surprisingly, but the thing that amused me

(27:10):
more than anything else was the speaker. Jerry Brandy sat
there and for over two minutes. This went on for
slightly bemused by it all, just to show you this
is how it played out in Parliament this afternoon. Have
listened to the.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
Din friends in the gallery.

Speaker 13 (27:53):
That was an impromptu performance, a little bit of poetry
and lots of performative art as well. I think we'll
now progress to questions for oral answers.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
See, I don't like it. I don't like it when
Jerry does this he sort of tries to make light
of things, well when actually it's so out of control
in there that you need to be a bit of
a dictator.

Speaker 7 (28:13):
Well see what does that say to other protests. Let's
turn up and do this. Nothing's going to happen to us.
And the thing is I was watching the MPs sitting
on the floor of the house. Now these people sounded
mad and you never know what they could have in
their hands. I mean, they do get a check by
security on their way in. But who knows. I mean

(28:33):
they sounded just out of control, which they were.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, now Labour's trying to sow divisions. This is about
leadership and Bishop and he's rating two percent.

Speaker 7 (28:44):
Well, he writes about the same as Chloe' swawbrick, so
it shows you what the chances are. But nevertheless, Luxeon
reminded Hipkins in the House that he was questioning and
did try and cause some division. But he was talking
about house prices and he reminded Hipkins house prices rose

(29:05):
by thirty percent a year during Labour's reign.

Speaker 14 (29:08):
They are more affordable than they have been under this
government in two years than they were under his government
in six years.

Speaker 15 (29:14):
Is he not calling out Chris Bishop for contradicting him
on falling house prices and not calling out Nikola Willis
for saying that she's with christ Bishop on falling house
prices because she's worried that Nicolai Willis is also going
to end up with Chris Bishop when he tries to
replace him as Prime Minister.

Speaker 14 (29:33):
No, look, I just say I think the members should
worry less about the National Party and worry about his
mates in the Greens Into Party.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Mary don't you think. I think that's what you should
be worrying about.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
Son, Son.

Speaker 7 (29:45):
I've never heard him use that expression.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Do you know who used to use that?

Speaker 5 (29:48):
Was Key?

Speaker 7 (29:49):
Yeah, well yeah, And Winston of course always calls people
sunshine when he's getting really hosed off of.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Them, Sunny Jim. It's kind of patronizing, isn't.

Speaker 6 (29:58):
It all right?

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Very good to see you as a waste, very soper.
With politics, it's eight minutes to five News Talks, theb
We'll expect Chris Bishop on the RMA after five.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 10 (30:13):
Debate has fired up over whether our long summer break
is too long.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Christoph Schumacher is a professor of innovation and economics at
Massi University.

Speaker 5 (30:20):
As summer breaks too long?

Speaker 16 (30:21):
Well, our summer break is long compared to the rest
of the world. But I think the question is not
too long. The question should be can we afford it?

Speaker 17 (30:29):
Well, I mean, you wouldn't be doing it if you
couldn't afford it, would you.

Speaker 16 (30:31):
Well to look, in the last ten years, our productivity
growth rate has gone from one point two percent, which
is why the OCD average with zero point two percent,
and we now are ring sixty third out of sixty
seven countries, so our productivity is rather low.

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Hither Duper s Allen on the mic, asking Breakfast back
tomorrow at six am with a Vida Retirement Communities on
News Talks deb.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Five to five on News Talks Hebb. This is incredible.
Although we do get lots of stories like this. I've
just noticed in the last wee while this is another
miracle cancer therapy story. But it is truly amazing to
think about, especially at Christmas, when you know people who
are suffering right now, who are going through hell. There's

(31:15):
a little bit of hope. So this is aggressive in
curable blood cancers that have been cured. There was a
young woman you might remember. Her name is Elicitatley from
the UK. She's now sixteen, but she was cured of
her so called incurable blood cancer three years ago. She
was the first one to be treated with this revolutionary

(31:36):
treatment that they're doing. She is still today disease free
and now plans to become a cancer scientist. Since then,
they have announced today eight more children and two adults
with the T cell acute lymphoblastic leukemia have been treated
and almost almost two thirds of the patients are in remission.

(32:00):
That is a miracle. Alissa, this is the one that
was cured three years ago. They wiped out her old
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spent four months in hospital, couldn't see your family, etc.
But that was a small price to pay. Now her
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(32:22):
this is a young girl who was thirteen, who thought
she was going to die. She now only needs an
annual checkup. She's doing her A levels, she's a Duke
of Edinburgh award winner, she's eyeing up driving lessons, and
she's planning her future. It's an incredible story no matter
which way you look at it, something that should be celebrated.
Yesterday I told you about this Aussie politician who's basically

(32:44):
taken the mickey with the taxpayer money. There's an update.
I'll give it to you after News at five. Also
Chris Bishop on the big RMA changes. What does it
mean for you? I mean not the high level stuff,
but at your place, at your business in your neck
of the woods. What does it mean? Head on newstalksb.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
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And give the analysis.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
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Speaker 2 (33:27):
Good every Thing seven half to five Tuesday. Great to
have your company. RMA reform it's happening. The bill will
be replaced. Sorry, the Act, I should say, will be
replaced with a planning Bill and a Natural Environment Bill.
They will be introduced to the House before Christmas and
should be in place next year. It will have the
number of projects that will need consent. Basically, the government
has decided that nobody should regulate. No government should regulate

(33:50):
whether or not you have a balcony or how your
house is laid out on the inside. Let's go to
Chris Biship, who is the RMA minister. Mister good evening,
good evening, Can you just give as an example of
and maybe that was one, but give us an example
for people at home how this will affect them, How
will they benefit?

Speaker 12 (34:09):
The simple point is it will be easier to do
things to your property that when you don't affect other people.
Give you a couple of examples. I know of a
house and development down in christ Church, where the housing
developer went along to the council and said, you know,
here's here's the houses we want to build. They spent
hours and days and endless amounts of money arguing with
the council about which way the front door faced, and

(34:30):
the council said, well, in christ Church we want the
front door to face the street because we've got a
very neighborly community here, which you know, all sounds fine.
So they made the house have the front door face
the street. And then same council, different planner, same housing
developer a few months later said, in a different part
of town, oh, by the way, we want the we

(34:51):
want your house where the front door needs to face
away from the street because in christ Church we value
our seclusion in our privacy. It's that sort of it's stupidity, frankly,
that drives people up the wall, and it's causing him
endless amounts of red tape. Give you another example of
my own electortive Hut South. The guy just wanted to
simply replace his garage. He's spent nine months arguing with

(35:13):
the Hut City Council about literally replacing his garage because
the council decided they didn't like the way the garage looked.
It's this sort of stuff that just drives people up
the wall, and it will be out of the scope
of the new system.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Right, So that's how you do it, Because, as you said,
you've got idiot planners. So how do you stop them
from trying to make people do dumb things with their
houses and their doors and their garages. Do you just
say you no longer have the power to even talk
about that.

Speaker 12 (35:41):
Yes, So the new law that we've introduced to Parliament
today get its first reading next week, will say that
things that are internal to your site are off limits
for the planning system. So if you have an effect
on somebody else, that's fair enough. So you know, if
I set up an industrial effluent factory on my property
and it has a run off to the next door,
well that has an on somebody else. But which way

(36:01):
my front door faces, which way the living room faces,
where the TV is in the living room, there's another
real life example where planners have got involved in which
way the TV faces and the layout of the living room.
That stuff sorry off limits. It's not a function of
the planning system. It's a decision for you and your family.
It's not a function of a local council planner.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Are there exemptions to that? If your house is in
a heritage area or something, are there exemptions?

Speaker 12 (36:27):
So we've lifted the bar for historic heritage. So I
think most people would agree. I think many people would
agree anyway that heritage laws have gone too far. I
mean here in Wellington we've got the example of the
Gordon Wilson Flats, you know on the terrace there, which
is a you know, has sat there for twenty years.
It's an earthquake prone building, it's heritage listed. Nobody can
do anything with it. We had to pass a special

(36:48):
law through parliament to allow you need to demolish it,
which they're about to do before Christmas.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Rich was good.

Speaker 12 (36:53):
There's another example out again in Wellington, but out by
the airport, where there's a gas tank literally a gas
tank which has heritage protection on it and no one
can demolish it or do anything with it. And I
understand there wants to be a commercial development and it's
a gas tank like you know. Seriously, So I think
people sort of think the laws have gone too far.
So it is important to protect historic heritage, but the

(37:14):
bar will be lifted, so we'll be protecting significant historic heritage,
not generic heritage. And then we'll also be saying that
when councils do do that and it has an impact
on the value of property, you know, such that it
diminishes the value of what you can and can't do
with your property, then they'll need to find some form
of regulatory relief for that. And I think that's an
important message as well.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
The significant natural areas have been a big bone of
contention for landowners for a long time now, and you're
going to lower the threshold for people getting compensation, so
the council will have to provide some kind of relief
to landowner if they want to impose restrictions.

Speaker 12 (37:51):
Yeah, it's about recognizing that there are legitimate public policy
goals in terms of significant natural areas. Biodiversity heritage is
another example for example. But the system is essentially costless councils.
So again, if I take an example from my own
electric a few years ago, the Hut City Council decided
that vast s wayes of Eastbourne we're going to be
subject to significant natural areas, and everyone who lives in

(38:13):
Eastbourn Or Most people got a letter from the council
through the post which said, oh, by the way, here's
your property, please turn over, And there were all these
big yellow markings on the property descriptions, and some people
found that fifty seventy eighty percent of their property was
subject to a significant natural area, which meant that they
couldn't do things like subdivide or put even in some
cases a deck out the back and things like that.

(38:34):
So I think people rightly say, well, hang on a minute.
You know, I'm all in favor of protecting biodiversity and
significant areas of environmental protection, but there has to be
a recognition that that has an impact on me and
has an impact on my family and my property. So
it's about redressing the balance of bit and saying you
can do that, but you can do that, but there's

(38:54):
a cost of that.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Minister very quickly, is Labor on board with all of
this or are they going to get in and do
what you did in it out?

Speaker 12 (39:01):
Let's wait and see. We've had quite a lot of
engagement with them over the last year or so. I've
had a number of meetings with Labor and they've had
a full briefing on it. It's getting its first reading
next week, so they'll have a chance to digest it
over the course of this week. I would encourage them
to vote for it at least at first reading, send
it to a select committee. We're prepared to meet in
the middle on a few things, because I think it's
an everyone's interest, in fact, the country's interest, that we

(39:23):
have stability in terms of planning. This is a once
in a generation reform. We want to do this once,
we want to do it right, and we want to
see us on the path to prosperity.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Chris Bishop, rm A Minister. Time is thirteen after five,
so let's go to acc They are backing down. They
will continue to let staff work from home three days
a week. The corporation had proposed cutting that allowance back
to two days a week at home. So the Public
Service Association then complained to the Commerce Commission. They've complained
to well, anyone who'll listen. Flirfit Simon's National secretary w

(39:52):
been now for good.

Speaker 18 (39:53):
Evening, Good evening, Ryan.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
So this all comes down to the job ads does
it is that what has changed the caused the change?

Speaker 18 (40:03):
I think really what it comes down to is common sense.
ACC had staff working from home up to three days
a week. It went well for staff, there was no
issues of productivity, and ACC then tried to change it
really out of the blue, and actually it was working
for everybody. So when they tried to change it, staff
came out quite strongly, including through the union. We took

(40:23):
legal action, we went to the Commerce Commission, and really
all of those things have counted towards ACC's decision today.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
I think when you say that there was no problem
with productivity, that's according to the staff. What the managers
said was something very different, wasn't it if we're being honest.

Speaker 18 (40:39):
For managers raised concerns about the ability to create teamwork
when you have people working from home up to three
days a week. What our members told us was that
on the days they did come to work, it wasn't
like managers went out of their way to build morale
or to build teamwork. And actually what ACC did, it's
find ways to build morale and teamwork, including online and

(41:04):
with people working from home.

Speaker 5 (41:05):
How do you online?

Speaker 2 (41:07):
How do you build morale so much?

Speaker 18 (41:08):
Let's think of what we did during COVID. There's lots
of work together on teams across the country. So the
reality is ACC is a national organization. It has staff
all over the country in twenty locations. They all need
to work together effectively, and actually working from home where
it can work for roles that it's suitable for does
very well.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
What days are they taking so they only have to
go into the office two days a week. What days
are they are they working from home?

Speaker 18 (41:38):
Well for some roles, that's the case. It varies for
different people. And part of the reason it varies for
different people is that ACC doesn't actually have enough desks
for everybody to be in the office in the same day.
And that's actually the reality for many government departments. They've
downsized to such a degree that even if everybody did
come back to work.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Upside, if they outside, you're happy to come back.

Speaker 18 (42:02):
No, it's about more than that, all.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Right, I appreciate your time for if it's Simon's psa quarter.

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Speaker 2 (43:09):
Debate over the length of these summer breaks been raging,
isn't it for probably the best part of a week now,
So we've decided to settle this once and for aw
on Drive with the help of economist Brad Olsen. He's
crunched the numbers. He's with me now, Hey, Brad, good evening.
So settle this for us ow the summer holidays bad
for the economy.

Speaker 17 (43:26):
Not nearly as bad as it's been made out to be. Look,
I get that everyone thinks that we take long holidays,
and yeah, everyone needs a break. But looking at the numbers.
You look at March quarter GDP relative to average quarterly GDP,
and it's only two percent below what the average would
be for the rest of the year. I mean, that's
very much within the eraror margin across the entire economy.

(43:48):
And I think actually where this debate comes forward a
lot more is in specific sectors. You look at the
likes of you know, supermarket activity or tourism and similar
over summer, it's cranking. Those people are clearly not taking
a break. What is taking a break is the professional
services industry. It's office workers, which are important, but they're
not sort of the entire economy. And so looking through

(44:10):
that economic activity in the professional services industry could sort
of fall by up to ten percent relative to more
average normal levels in the March quarter. So it's not
the entire economy. It's more specifically those of us who
work in offices. It's you and me, Ryan, Yeah, and
that's why the debate keeps going on. This is why
I haven't touched it. I told Laura, haven't.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Touched it because it's just it's the office workers having
a winge about their colleagues not coming back and paying
attention in January and February. But actually, in the real
economy where people get their hands dirty and do real work,
everyone's still going well.

Speaker 17 (44:45):
And you look at spending. That's the other one that
sort of gets me. We know there's a big spend
up in December, we all have to go and get
Christmas presents. Yes, but maybe there was some truth to
the idea that you know, spending was going to fall
in January. But even taking a look at the numbers
there actually, the last couple of years you've seen spending
in the January month that's been two percent higher than
average monthly spending throughout the calendar year. So even then

(45:08):
it's yes, we don't spend like it's Christmas time in January,
but we actually spend ever so slightly above a normal month.
So again, there's still a lot that has to happen.
I think it's just that we're spending in different ways,
We're going to different places I also think people do
need a break, not just office because everyone else as well.
And so doing that in a sensible way when the
weather's good, when would probably be irritable in the office

(45:29):
and out on the job anyway, is not a bad
time to take a holiday for many people.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah, I don't think you get much argument, certainly nothing
out of four Simon's on that. Now wes PAK is
actually increasing it's two and five year mortgage interest rates
only slightly zero point three percent. What's going on, Well.

Speaker 17 (45:45):
They've talked a lot about how the wholesale rates have increased.
It's the last Reserve Bank announcement. So yes, you've had
the official cash rate cut, which means that Westpac's been
able to cut their six month rate. They've done nothing
to their sort of shorter stuff around the one year,
but like you say, two plus years has increased. It
does seem to highlight that. Look, the markets have probably
you know, before the Reserve Bank's announcement.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
We're really gung ho on another cut.

Speaker 17 (46:08):
When the Reserve Bank came out and said, look, we
broadly think that we've sort of done enough. Now the
markets have almost reacted over reacted in the other way
and gone, you know what, we need to do a
little bit more now maybe things are going to go
up sooner realistically, small adjustments around the margins, but does
keep in that conversation of you know, are people going
to be fixing.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Short or long?

Speaker 17 (46:26):
You know, because there's a lot of variation now and
offer and I think people have sort of got to
keep their wits about you. Now's the time to go
and get some of that professional advice if your fix
is coming up.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Sir, Yeah, I think a lot of people are going
to listen to this and see what's the rates and
run out there and fix. Thank you very much for that.
That's brad Olsen Infmetrics. It is twenty three minutes after
five text of the evening so far from Roy Ryan
as the Union lady paid by the word.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Ryan Bridge on
hither duplessy Ellen dry with one New Zealand coverage like
no one else news talks.

Speaker 5 (46:58):
There'd be.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
To the numbers text now that I'm with you guys
in the afternoon at least for the next few weeks,
I've found myself with a bit of time on my
hands to watch TV after work and I am absolutely
loving it. What a revelation. The Beast within Clear Danes.
Netflix amazing. If you haven't seen it, put it on
your list. Platonic seth Rogen Apple very funny. Plus, I've

(47:21):
discovered a whole bunch of quite degrade American Christmas movies
dropping on any platform under the sun. They're dropping these
Hallmark ones in particular. They're mindless, but they're quite comforting. Sidebar,
Why are Americans so obsessed with Christmas? There's a whole
show dedicated to a guy that goes around and decorates
people's houses, very expensive decorations, lights, reindeer, ornaments, multiple trees,

(47:46):
you name it. The Yanks have money to throw around
like it's going out of fashion on Christmas. But here's
the problem. We are throwing our money around like there's
Noe tomorrow on streaming services. A few years ago, my
husband and I decided, let's cut them, let's just turn
our backs on them, because they're costing us an arm
and a leg. We had the cost of living crisis,
all that stuff, blah blah, you know the story, and

(48:07):
we stuck to that until we didn't, and they have
crept back into our lives. Like a bad smell, which
is why I am aokay with the Netflix Warner Brothers merger.
If that's what they choose to do, hell, I want
them more merged. There are regulatory hopes to jump through
because competition, but actually, even if we pay a little
bit more for one giant streaming service, it's got to

(48:30):
be less than you pay to watch all the good
shows on the thousand different services that we currently pay
individually for. Surely, so my Christmas wish is quite simple
this year. I want mergers. I want acquisitions. I want consolidation.
I want simpler, cheaper TV time. Ryan Bread twenty seven
after five. Honestly, have you ever added up how much

(48:51):
you're paying. It's a small fortune. You could buy a
new as second home. Coming up after news, we'll talk
to Erica Stamford about the well being fun for Print Siples.
Do they need it?

Speaker 5 (49:02):
No?

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Tris Jurson and Craig Rennie on the Huddle tonight as well.
All ahead. My most interesting interview I think this evening
will be at six thirty five with the guy who
was followed This is our Navy h mens at, followed
by the Chinese warships and the Taiwan straight all ahead.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
The day's newsmakers talk to Ryan First, Ryan Bridge on
Hither dupiusy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the
Power at Satellite Mobile News Talks aid, be here is.

Speaker 5 (49:50):
Please und.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Pretty far away from six year on News Talks. It'd
be on your Tuesday evening. Great to have your company.
Tris Hirson and Craig Rennie on the huddle in just
a second. You know the entitled Prince Harry Harry handout
they call him, the British tabloids call him, which I
was find quite funny. Anyway, you know how they he
took the court, the case to court and tried to
say to the taxpayers, you need to fund my security

(50:13):
when I'm in the UK because there are so many
threats out there. Don't doubt there are threats, but you know,
you quit the job, you're no longer a working royal,
then you don't get the you can't have all the
privileges and no responsibility. Anyway. He disagrees with that. He's
now even though he lost the court case, he's gone
direct to the Labor Party minister who's in charge, and

(50:35):
is begging her to reassess the situation and she it
looks like is reneging. She has asked for a reassessment
of his security so we could see taxpayer funded bodyguards
for Harry handout Brian Bridge straight away from six speaking
of are the principles routing the system here? It looks
like we've been taking for a bit of a ride,
doesn't it. So the Auditor General has released its annual

(50:56):
report on questionable spending by schools, and there are some doozies.
Sutton Park School eleven grand on a staff planning meeting
at Sky City. There was a there was a kuittter
to kitt a Copapa Maldi or Mangodi twenty two grand
on a boat cruise. There was another kitter spent six
grand on a trip to Turkey for the principal with

(51:18):
quote no clear business purpose. The Ministry of Education says
that there are twenty four hundred schools audited. Only a
handful were commented on by the Auditor General. Erica Stamford
is the Minister for Education and joins been now High Minister. Hello,
how are you very good? Thank you? These have roughts,
aren't they.

Speaker 19 (51:38):
Well, look it was a fund set up by the
previous government. You know, it was vague, it wasn't particularly
for purpose. It didn't have good guard rails to prevent
exactly what's happened, and we ended up where we ended up.
This isn't This isn't the type of thing this government
does these days.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Is this the well Being and Professional Development Fund you're
talking about, Yeah, it's the.

Speaker 19 (51:56):
Well Being Fund. It just didn't have any really good
guard rail about how we expected the money to be
spent on what we expected the outcomes to be. And
we've shifted very much in education now to outcomes framework contracting.
So hey, look what is the thing designed for and
what are we purchasing and what do we expect from
it and that's what's going to raise achievement and get

(52:17):
all the things done in education we need.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Would tourist attractions in Queenstown qualifying.

Speaker 19 (52:24):
For a well being fund? Yes, look probably not. Can
I just also I should say that you know, ninety
nine percent of principles actually used the fund correctly. It's
always you know that there was a few and it
was boards that signed this out, you know that misused
the money, and it wasn't for the intention of the money.

(52:44):
So I don't want to malign the entire sector. It
wasn't the case at all. It was always the case
that it's just a few. But you can avoid this
if you have good outcomes for the money that you
are investing. And that's what we do.

Speaker 11 (52:57):
Now.

Speaker 19 (52:57):
This is not the kind of thing that our government do.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Okay, But what's the fund? So the fund still exists,
a well being fun what's it worth it? What's the
total cost?

Speaker 19 (53:06):
No, well it doesn't. It's done. It was a previous
government's initiative and it's now finished. Party is over. It
was set up I think in the midst of COVID.
It was typical of the COVID era spending of the
previous government. Right, Oh, throw some money out the door.
We don't worry about what the outcomes or what purpose is.
We just throw some money out. And that's why we've

(53:27):
ended up with this huge debt. And this is just
a very small example of a much bigger previous government problem.
But it's finished now and we are now putting our
funds into far more dedicated, outcomes focused areas.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
What about The Auditor General's report identifies some schools like Takutak,
Papa Mahdi or Mondadewa and to Farakuda Manyadewa. This is
the twenty two twenty three audits. School board provided so
little financial information auditors could not give an opinion on
their accounts.

Speaker 19 (53:58):
What happens to that school, Well, the Ministry of Education
will follow up, it's the first thing. I've also just
commissioned a letter this morning to boards of trustees, because
you've got to remember that boards are the ones that
sign a lot of us out and are accountable for this.
And so I'll be writing or I am writing to
the Boards of Trustees Association to say what advice are

(54:18):
you giving two boards that we end up with this
kind of behavior as well. So we've just got to
tighten this crews in a few different places. But the
Ministry will be following up, as they always do every
year with these schools who are not doing what they're
supposed to.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
But what happens if they follow up and this happens again,
this is three years on the troll.

Speaker 19 (54:36):
Well, there are graduated interventions that the Ministry of Education
can undertake when we find that there is financial mis management.
We can put commissioners in and all sorts so we
can dissolve boards. But we always start with a hey,
what's gone wrong in an education approach and then follow
up with a graduated set of sanctions. But where there

(54:56):
is serious financial mis management, we can dissolve the board
of trustees.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
All right, good tonight, minister, appreciate your time. Education Minister,
Erica Stamford nineteen to six.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
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Speaker 2 (55:10):
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Good evening, Trish Hi, Ryan Craig Whennis here two c
to you, economist and Labor Party candidate for Wellington Bays Craig,
good evening, Good evening, how are you very well? Thank you.
We will start with that last, but first the Audi
General's office. This is the boat cruisers, the food, the
overseas travel. Look, most teachers and principles aren't wasting money,

(55:31):
but the ones that are, it just seems that it
keeps happening every year. Every year we get a report
and nothing really changes. Craig, Oh, I agree.

Speaker 20 (55:39):
I mean I used to work for the Audit Commission
in the UK that used to do exactly this sort
of work and investigate value for money and investigate fraud
in local authorities and other bodies, and if the money
has been found to be used for personal gain a
rather malicious purposes, there's clearly established law around that if
it's been used inappropriately out or but we paid back
so it could be used for the purposes that we

(56:01):
you know that was originally intended. But we also have
to look at the context here and without wishing to
diminish it. As Diminister said, the total amount of questionable
spending is in the order of point not one percent
of the nine point eight billion dollars we spend on
school funding last year. So it's yes, we should be

(56:21):
relentless and making sure that we're getting good value for
money for that spending and that it's not spent inappropriately.
But in any institution in which there are tens of
thousands of workers, there will always be a few instances
in any organization where questionable funding takes questionable spending takes place.

Speaker 21 (56:39):
I think good context the Craig. The point I think
that I would make as appearent is that if you've
been standing out on the street doing sausage sizzles to
raise money for your school, and you found your school
was one of these involved in this kind of sloppy spending,
you would be pretty grumpy about that. In fear enough,

(57:00):
it sounds like Erica Stanford, in her inimitable style, has
got the systemic issues here under control, and they certainly
do need to be cleared up. There's a line here.
I think if there is a personal benefit but with
no clear outcome or benefit to the school, then that
money should be paid back.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Like if you're going to Queenstown, for example, and the
money is going towards tourist activities, absolutely that is out that.
Come on, Yeah, no reasonable person thinks that's acceptable. I agree,
all right. Well, apart from the previous Labor government, of
course Craig, which which would set up the well being
fun which apparently is made all this possible. So I
suppose I've got you to think.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
I don't.

Speaker 20 (57:40):
I don't think the Libor government is responsible for this,
for the questionable spending, and they have set up the fund.
Individuals themselves choose those spending path.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
Hey, I want to get stuck into the RMA overhaul.
We'll get to that next.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
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Speaker 2 (58:00):
Tis Shuerson and Craig Wrennie on the huddle tonight. So
the RMA reform, Big overhaul long signaled. Finally we've got it.
It's written down. It's seven hundred and fifty pages. Labors
was nine hundred. The current mess is thousands of pages long.
Trash thoughts.

Speaker 21 (58:14):
This is absolutely transformative and even though we have had
the strip fed over time, what has been revealed today
is very, very significant in terms of our planning laws.
So the government is moving to these big thirty year
regional plans and just seventeen combined plans nationwide. So we're
going to have the existing RIMA for at least a

(58:36):
couple of years while all of that is sorted out.
And we'll come back to that in a minute. But
this is a very big win for people in New
Zealand who want to get on and build stuff. So
what the change means is that once we get these
big plans set up at the top where our pipes
and houses and infrastructure go, then getting an actual resource

(58:57):
consent should be more of a tick box exercise fast
track stays, so that will help speed it up. And
what is really great here is that these subjective arguments
about amenity and quotes and character largely drop out. So
this is where we've had issues. Say I'm you know,
I've got a building project and I'm building a bunker

(59:19):
style a house on a hill, and neighbors around go, well,
we don't.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Like the style of that.

Speaker 21 (59:25):
They could argue that against it under the existing process
because they it was called subjective amenity effects. Now that's
where for people trying to build stuff it is time
and cost and uncertainty. So that that is a really
good positive change. The big change also will be for
communities because for thirty years they have had huge power

(59:49):
in terms of advocating strongly and having real wins against
particular projects. Where they will now have have a voice
is right up high when these big plans are set,
but when it then drops down into the nitty gritty,
that's gone, which you can argue either way, but it

(01:00:10):
will definitely speed things up. And then I think the
other big point to make here is that this is
a legislative change with huge ambition, but there are big
execution and political risks. So ultimately where this will live
or die is getting local government to agree and set

(01:00:30):
those big visionary plans. Now these are thirty year plans.
Currently New Zealand struggles to get planning even out for
ten years. We struggle to get bipartisanship out, you know,
even past an electoral cycle. So I think that is
going to be where the real test.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Is, Craig, is that on that front. What's Labour's line
on this? You guys just going to I mean, I
know that National Rich labors up, so it's not like
they've got a leg to stand on. But is it
time we just all agree, come by our and move on.

Speaker 20 (01:01:02):
I think you're probably right. I think it's probably time
could quota, particularly using interest. It's probably time we all
stop for a cup of tea. And I think before
we started flipping it again. You know, as you say,
this government came in, abolished the previous RMA reforms, reimposed
the old RMA and has now given us this RME reform.
And I think Trish has quite rightly set out the
fact that this is quite serious reform.

Speaker 5 (01:01:24):
It's quite far reaching reform.

Speaker 20 (01:01:26):
I also agree with Triff that the thirty year vision
documents will be very hard to deliver. Again, I've seen
experience around the rest of the world is that they're
extremely controversial documents, and so I think it'll be quite
difficult to get clarity on those. There's just two areas
that I think there's some real challenges in this set
of reforms, one of which is on the regulatory relief mechanism,

(01:01:50):
where councils may have to compensate people for the possible
loss of income associated with some prescriptions on the use
of their property. As an economist, just compensating people for
possible losses fantastically tricky, and so we'll likely end up
being caught over and over again with that one, as
people work out the difference between well, I think my

(01:02:12):
possible loss is this, and you think my possible loss
is that, and how do we work out what the
real value of possible losses? And then finally, some of
the cost savings being proposed in the Economic Impact Report
seem frankly unbelievably heroic, and so some of the consequence
only time will tell. Why, you know, with there, we're

(01:02:34):
going to really pan out, And to be fair to
the government, it's why I'm actually very happy that, unlike
other pieces of legislation that this government's passed, this is
actually going to get a full select committee process, and
I think that's essential with a document of this scale
and two bills of this nature.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
And I guess whether it's thirteen billion over thirty years
or whether it's five it's still worth doing, you know
what I mean? Hey, just finally at Christmas tables. This
Christmas apparently going to be pecked with lamb. That's our
favorite Keepy's favorite meat. This is some kind of survey
that's been done today. Craig, what do you put on
your Christmas table?

Speaker 20 (01:03:07):
Well, anything's better than turkey, which is what I'm used
to do in the UK, So fan of still a
huge fan of Ham. But to be honest, if you
can afford it, why not both? It's better Ham, do
both Trish well.

Speaker 21 (01:03:21):
As you know, in our house, Ryan, I operate a
governance management sort of structure. I'm in the governance role,
so deciding detail like what's on the Christmas table or
even cooking it is really out of my remit. But
the person who is in charge of managing that does
like multiple meat options, and I suspect this year it
might be a red meat and some kind of a seafood.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Yeah, I think he's got that egg barbecue thing too,
doesn't it that he loves using?

Speaker 6 (01:03:50):
Yes, he does.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Sounds like could be a yummy Christmas at Trish's place.
It is eight minutes away from Sexyr. On news talks,
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Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
News Talks would be five to six. We shouldn't complain
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used today we're talking about Aarnaka Wells. This is the
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she took her husband and her kids to the ski resort,
took the husband to the cricket and the flights are

(01:04:31):
paid for on the taxpayer by the way, that's the
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new revelations for Arnica Wells today one thousand dollars for
a chauffeur to wait outside while she attended the Australian Open. Now,
how much do you pay? So one thousand dollars gets

(01:04:52):
her seven hours. She made the chauffeur wait outside while
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and so they did the maths on it. Seven hours
she was in there, and she's dodging new questions every day. Basically,

(01:05:16):
here's the shadow Treasurer having a crack.

Speaker 22 (01:05:19):
I cannot understand how you could justify spending one thousand
dollars in Paris on a meal and seven hundred and
fifty dollars on alcohol at that meal. Bananikoel said to
Andrew Clenel on Sunday that she thought she fell asleep
at the table. Did she fall asleep at the table
because she drank seven hundred and fifty dollars worth of
alcohol on taxpayer tap.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
That's pretty good. It's pretty good to be fair. If
you're in Paris, you know you can rack up her
booze bill pretty quickly, can't you? But seven fifty when
the food was less than that, it's a bit of
all right, you're on new stalks. He'd be coming up
after sex. This evening we'll talk a little bit, get
some more reaction to the RMA, See what business thinks
of it, See what housing you know what those are

(01:06:00):
the housing industry think of it. Also, we'll get to
the country with Jamie McKay, and then after six thirtieth
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Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
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rural news, I should say with Jamie McKay Right now though,

(01:07:07):
let's get to the rim. So arime is out. We
have replacements to new laws coming in, one based on planning,
the others actually based on the environment. The idea is
you will have the number of consents and permits that
are required, and you'll speed up the ones that are
still in the pipeline. Government recons we will save thirteen
billion bucks in admin and compliance costs over the next

(01:07:29):
thirty years. Property Council Chief executively only freemans with me tonight. Hey,
you ony Cure, what's your first impressions of this.

Speaker 23 (01:07:38):
We're pleased with the direction of where the government's going
with this. We're hoping that it will you know, the
reduction of one hundred plans down to seventeen will provide
a lot more consistency. The idea is it will be
a lot simpler. Reducing the number of consents will only
help speed up the process and also reduce costs. And

(01:07:59):
at the end of the day, with the two acts,
it will make clearer the environmental priorities, but at the
same time provide clarity on development so that we protect
the environment while we house kiwis and I think that's
the key outcome. We're looking for will.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
We the consumers see cheaper you know, while I see
a cheaper house.

Speaker 23 (01:08:19):
Well, that's a good question. It's all going to be
and how it's implemented. I mean, there is the potential
to do that because consenting costs are a big part
of house costs, so yes, possibly, but also there's a
whole lot of other things that have got to go
with this, And it's still going to be a while
until it's you know, because we've still got to go
through the consultation process. The bill's got to be passed,

(01:08:41):
and then it's going to be a while until it's implemented.
But that is the objective.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
It would be great, would be wouldn't it? What about
this problem with building in areas or getting developments done
in areas where there aren't there isn't the infrastructure under
the ground.

Speaker 23 (01:08:56):
So infrastructure is always you know, the development can't occur
until the infrastructure is there. So this, you know, the
bills with the RMA are focusing on that sort of
bigger perspective development, but infrastructure is a key bit that
needs to be put in place before and the government

(01:09:18):
was introducing some new or updating its Finance and Funding
Act today and the idea is to try and find
some alternative ways to help support counsels to fund the infrastructure.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
Leoni, appreciate your time tonight. Thanks having with me. Learnie Freeman,
who's chief executive at the Property Council. Time is ten
minutes after six. What happens in the meantime that's a
question We've I've been getting some text about this afternoon.
So you know what, if you've got an existing consent
or that you've just been had one granted, or you
are applying for a consent, well there is a press

(01:09:53):
press releases up the WAZU today, but there was one
from Simon Court. He's the under Secretary to the Minister
for RMA, Chris Bishop. They co sign this press release.
If you have an existing consent, the expiry date for
that consent will be extended to two years after the
end of this transition period for the new system. So basically,

(01:10:16):
if you have a consent now, it will probably be
extended to around twenty thirty one. So that is the
good news for you. If for new consent applications, if
you want to put one in, can still do those
fine during this period weather in transition for the next
couple of years still put it in and it will
follow a new process called the transitional RMA process. Basically,

(01:10:39):
what that means is you will have limited tests for
public notification. In other words, public won't have much of
a say and the scope of effects that can be
considered will be reduced as well, So public will have
less of a say and there'll be fewer things to
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It is fourteen minutes after six. If you missed my
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Newstalks FB, you can find it online a newstalksb dot
co dot nz. But basically in it, the minister confirms, well, no,
she doesn't confirm anything. I've'm been completely honest with you.
But what she doesn't do is say yes, we will
definitely get back to surplus when I promised you last

(01:11:27):
time we spoke, which was twenty twenty nine, they have
a slim surplus forecast betweenty twenty nine. They've got the
half yearly economic and fiscal update coming out next week,
which we will bring you and tell you about. But
what the Minister wouldn't tell us is that that will
get back to surplus when they said they would get
back to surplus, which is quite an important thing for

(01:11:48):
a national party, isn't it to get the books back
to surplus. That economy hasn't been going as well. We
know this, which means the tax take isn't as good.
We know this, which means surely you will have to
push your surplus out unless you cut. And she did
tell us she's not going to cut. She's not going
to do a Ruth Richardson. So I go and have

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Speaker 5 (01:12:14):
The Rural Report on Hither DUP See Allen Drive.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Jamie McKay, host of the Country with Us Jamie Good Evening,
Good evening, Ryan. Now, our farmers loving the RMA reform,
well some of them are.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
I am.

Speaker 24 (01:12:29):
Your producer, Laura just told me the grounds well aren't
too happy. They're calling it tepit or tame or something
like that. But look, anything that makes the consenting process easier,
not only for farming, but also for business, especially small business,
will be most welcomed. We had the ridiculous situation that
a former Federated Farmer's executive by the name of David

(01:12:51):
Clark made. He's a mid Candorbury arable farmer, and it
was costing him even though he was not changing his
farming practice at all. It was going to cost him
fifty or sixty grand from ECAN to get a new
consent to farm just the way he had been In
the ridiculousness of the situation, Ryan was that the cheapest
way for him to get a consent, this is an

(01:13:12):
arable farmer, was to apply to convert his farm to
dairy farming. So how stupid is that? So look, anything
that cuts through this red tape and bureaucratic nonsense. You know,
if you want to build a deck and you're not
annoying anybody, why not build a deck off the side
of your house.

Speaker 5 (01:13:29):
That's what I say.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Yeah, absolutely, Now farmer confidence. We spoke about this yesterday.
But still it's not crashing. But it has sort of
come off its peak.

Speaker 24 (01:13:40):
Yeah no, no, it's not crashing. It's come off a
really high peak. In fact, the best that had been
since off the top of my head, I think about
twenty seventeen. So now look, it's good net positivity has
gone ross forty to plus twenty eight. Those who held
those farmers who held negative outlook. Lower comme on prices

(01:14:00):
is the main concern for them, that's sixty percent. You've
got to remember these lower farmer confidence levels. And I'm
sure you discussed this, yest that are sorry if I'm
repeating what you've already said. Is off the back of
dairy farmers, less confidence for them. Obviously, we've had seven
or eight falls in the GDT.

Speaker 7 (01:14:15):
Auction in a row.

Speaker 24 (01:14:16):
You know, the payout's gone from ten to nine fifteen.
Even that's looking a bit dodgy. So they're driving down
a bit more pessimism, but coming from a very good
or a very high base. Conversely, sheep and beef farmers
are the most confident of what. Look, they're having a

(01:14:37):
roiler of a season, a red meat price is both
lamb up have neverne is high. And also it's worth
remembering that the Keywi fruit farmers are also growing going
great guns as well. And remember that Trump has taken
the tariffs of both beef and Kiwi fruit, so I
would say those two, Ryan, and my humble opinion, even

(01:14:57):
though Lamb's really good at the moment, for those the
two shining lights, I think when it comes to farming
in the twenty five twenty six farming.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Season, absolutely speaking, staying with Lamb and the shining lights,
that's my favorite. The survey on what people are going
to eat on Christmas Day, Jamie, the lamb is my
absolute go to, And I mean I flirt a little
bit with some ham, but lamb is my is my
Christmas meal.

Speaker 24 (01:15:23):
Well good on you, Ryan. I grew up on a
sheep farm in Southland and it's quite funny like we
would kill a lamb for Christmas. But other than that,
we wouldn't. My father wouldn't bother having lamb. He thought
more mature sheep, hoggits or two tooths, we're better tasting,
had more flavor. I'm a big lamb fan as well,
but I'm a bit of a traditionalist. We'll be going

(01:15:45):
for the ham, but I still love the lamb. I
think a lamb wreck is the finest pe meat piece
of meat known to mankind.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
But yeah, when it comes to.

Speaker 24 (01:15:52):
The survey, forty two percent said lamb. Thirty percent said
ham and thirteen percent Ryan's said beef. They probably can't
afford a sirloin or a ribbi steak at the prices
of beef. At the moment, traditional roast meals still remain
the clear favorite. Forty nine percent of respondents are going
with that, but barbecues are coming up the rear. There

(01:16:14):
are chosen by more than a third of respondents, and Ryan.
When it comes to what you add to your protein
of choice, potatoes obviously a number one. They've got to
be new spuds for Christmas salads, then number one ninety
one salads, seventy nine, Kumera surprisingly in third place for
me anyhow at fifty nine, Carrot's fifty four, Broccoli forty three,

(01:16:35):
and the Humble p forty two percent. And when it
comes to Pavlover, there is a clear When it comes
to dessert, should I say, there is a clear winner
and I haven't kept the powder dry there It is Pavlover,
an absolute standout at seventy one percent, and it gets
my vote every day of the week.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Hundred percent. No surprises there either, Jamie, thank you for that.
Jamie McKay, our host of the Country with US on
News talk, S'db that I do much. My grandma started
me on, which is I think it's equal parts. If
you get a liter of yogurt, like you can get
one of the flavored ones, or you can just get
unsweetened yogurt and you get a poddle of cream and

(01:17:14):
you get marshmallows, and maybe you put some berries in
there if you want to, if you want to make
it a little bit fancy. But that is what she
calls it, ambrosia. I think it's called absolutely delicious. Put
it in the fridge, don't put the marshmallows in. Just
put the mixture in the fridge and then add the
marshmallows after you take it out of the fridge. Delicious

(01:17:35):
six twenty.

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Speaker 5 (01:17:47):
Used talks that'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
Six twenty three, Colin says Ryan Lamb. Cook it for
ten hours at one hundred degrees keeps from moist and
keeps the flavor, and you just lift the bone out
and the meat falls off it. Give it a go
ten hours, though Colin, it's just a lot of you know,
a lot of comp You've got to think about the
fact that it's there and you've got a plan. And
I'm just not one of the I'm not good at that.
I'm not good at that, Colin. But there'll be someone
I'm sure listening to this, who I will be in

(01:18:11):
proximity to on Christmas Day, who might be listening to this,
who might be able to do something wonderful for ten hours, Ryan,
do you whip the cream? Says Leslie. Yes, Ambrosia, you
whip the cream. So you whip the cream. You put
your yogurt in, And I personally like to use the
yogurt that's got the berry already pre berry flavored, not
the natural unsweetened one. Chuck that in there, put it

(01:18:33):
in the fridge. I don't know, not ten hours, give
it too, and then throw your marshmallows in after that.
Bob's your uncle. All Happy Christmas Day twenty four up
to six.

Speaker 5 (01:18:42):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
Bobby Woods Award season is almost upon us. The Golden
Globes and Norms are out this morning. Our K Pop
Demon Hunters is up for Best Animated Movie. Leonardo DiCaprio's
latest film is leading the charge, though one battle after
another got nine nominations, including four Best Musical Comedy Film.

Speaker 5 (01:19:10):
There are no hands on the clock why because they're
not needed.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
What time is it? Ah?

Speaker 13 (01:19:19):
You know?

Speaker 5 (01:19:19):
I don't, I don't. I don't remember that part.

Speaker 6 (01:19:21):
All right, let's just not lippick over the passwords.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
Now, just for those who aren't familiar. And I wasn't
when I went to see this. My parents flew in
from Wellington and my partner and I said no, no,
it's happened to a movie. And a friend of ours
has said that it's a good movie. Two things you
need to know. First, it's three more than three hours long.
I think three hours fifteen long, So if you don't
like your parents, it's a great option because you're not talking.

(01:19:46):
But second thing you need to know first fifteen minutes
basically pawn okay, just big wir. The Wicked sequel missed
out on Best Film nomination despite its box office success,
but did get five nominations. On the TV side of things,
The White Lotus is up for six awards.

Speaker 20 (01:20:03):
At the end of the week, You're with me an
entirely different Perstal, What happens to plan Stee.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
And Page Adolescents scored five nooms, including for Best Limited Series,
and The Pits, The Diplomat, Severance and Slow Horses are
also in the mix for Best Series. Twenty five minutes
after six, all everyone's sending in messages about ambrosia and
it's just making me hungry, now Ryani, Yes, it is
called ambrosia. Add some whipped cream, then adds sprinkled some

(01:20:32):
chocolate flakes over the top. If you really want to
jazz it up, smashed linked chocolate balls. Settle down, Ben,
This one says. We also crumble in a bit of
meringue and add berries to all the merangue. If you
add meringue and berries in eaten mess it's called says Michelle.
There you go. So there are lots of texts that

(01:20:53):
I haven't got to and I apologize for that. But
we spoke earlier, just after four on the show about
We spoke to the Green, which wasn't as painful as
it sounds, and we talked about the students who are overseas.
Kiwis are overseas, got student loans and they don't want
to come home for Christmas because of the have to
pay the bill when they get here. Ryan, I have

(01:21:14):
three kids, says Joe. I have three kids in their twenties,
all overseas with loans, one fully paid off now other
two paying the loan and the interest prioritized. Repaying this
before travel and while earning overseas. It's hard, but it's possible.
It's exactly right, Joe. You're exactly on the money. If

(01:21:35):
these guys are overseas, you can't tell me that they're
not at the pub, that they're not at Sale Croatia,
and that they're not holidaying in Greece. They're in Santorini. Well,
we're battling through winter paying down our loans here in
New Zealand. Come on, let's be honest. Twenty seven after
six News Talks, they'd be we'll speak to the navy next,
and we're in the UK before seven.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
Scrudging the numbers and getting the results. It's Ryan Bridge
on the Business Hour with MAS Motor Vehicle Insurance.

Speaker 5 (01:22:08):
Your future is in good hands. News Talks MBILL.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
Twenty five away from seven. You're on News Talks mb
into Bradio UK correspondent before seven this evening. We'll get
to him very shortly, just on the rugby were just
listening to the sports news there and couldn't help it here.
You know, we're struggling to get people to All Blacks
games and so we're looking at changing the time of them.
And I know this is not a new problem that
we've got. It's a relatively new problem, though, isn't it.

(01:22:44):
I mean, if you think back ten twenty years, would
you have struggled to get anyone to an All Blacks
test match even if it was Italy? No, you wouldn't.
People would go, people wanted to go. So what's changed? Well,
everything's changed, isn't it. People have got so much more choice.
There are more sports that people can play and choosing
to play and choosing to watch. You've got more channels
for them to watch it on. And then you've got

(01:23:05):
all these new leagues that you know, like the Rebel
Rugby League that's coming out, You've got the Live Golf Tour,
like no matter what the sport is. Not only do
we have more sports, but we have more competitions within
those sports that are all competing for eyeballs. So what
you have is no one main thing anymore. Same things
happening with media, no one main thing an apart from

(01:23:27):
news talks that'd be though, of course, same things happening
with movies. You know, how often do you go to
your friends and say, oh, I am watching this movie
and no idea what you're talking about? Or I'm watching
this TV show, No idea what you're talking about?

Speaker 5 (01:23:39):
Why not?

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Because I don't have that app.

Speaker 5 (01:23:41):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
The whole world is lots of little things now, not
a couple of big things, you know, and no one
knows what anyone's talking about anymore. But sad, really, isn't it?
Twenty four away from seven Ryan Bridge, we learned this
week that a New Zealand Navy vessel was followed around
by no less than seven Chinese warships while patrolling in

(01:24:03):
waters through Asia. The HG Men's it is Alta had
crossed through the Taiwan Strait was patrolling international waters this
to try and curb North Korean war programs. Commodore Shane
ardnil is the Royal New Zealand Navy's Maritime Component Commander
and joins me. Now, welcome to the show.

Speaker 25 (01:24:20):
Thank you, thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
So were you expecting Chinese company?

Speaker 25 (01:24:25):
Yes, indeed, we plan for it to happen because it's
a common occurrence up on that part of the world.
Everyone's just watching what each nation does, and when we're
going through the acclaimed orders, they like to make sure
they know what everyone's doing in their patch of order.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
Were you in the Taiwan Strait.

Speaker 25 (01:24:43):
The ship didn't go through the Taiwan straight?

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
Yes, how often do you do that?

Speaker 25 (01:24:48):
So we did that on a regular basis, and it's
all part of our efforts to uphold the international walls
based system, which means that international waters. So we have
every right just as anybody else does, to transit through
that piece of water.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
What sort of ships did they have, What sort of
capability did they have?

Speaker 25 (01:25:06):
Oh, pretty much the same as what we have, frigates
and tankers. So whatever ship's available, they will normally what
we would say, they will hand over between ships. So
even though the number says seven, that's pretty normal because
when you look at artie At I having covered four
hundred and ten thousand square kilometers, that's a lot of
water for one ship to cover alone. So the Chinese

(01:25:28):
would have just been handing over between ships to track
her as she.

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
Was in that part of the world.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
Do you communicate with them at all?

Speaker 16 (01:25:34):
Here?

Speaker 25 (01:25:34):
We do just on normal open radio over a VHF circuit.
We communicate, We let each other know what we're doing,
so we keep it all nice and safe and everything
is respectful between both ships that may be talking to
each other.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
When they first contact you, what do they saying?

Speaker 25 (01:25:53):
Oh, they ask us what are we doing? The fact
that we're inside Chinese claimed waters, and then we just
respond with the usual, which is around it's open water
and we have a right to freedom of passage and
we're just exercising those rights.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
Do you see this area of the world escalating or
reaching some sort of boiling point? What are you seeing
out there?

Speaker 25 (01:26:17):
Definitely, what we're seeing is in line with what you
read in the media. Things aren't as comfortable as they
used to be, so there is a hot and alert
I suppose for the ships traveling up there. So we're
more aware of what's going on around us, and we're
keeping ourselves better informed just so we don't get any
cases of miscalculation and we're respecting each other's barriers and boundaries.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
Have you had any close calls on miscalculation.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
No, not at all, not at all.

Speaker 25 (01:26:45):
Everything we've done has been safe and professional.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
Are you guys friendly when you chat.

Speaker 25 (01:26:51):
Yeah, definitely Mariners of the Sea. English is a common language,
so we do communicate and there's certainly that the tone
of it is, you know, being friendly and making sure
that they are understanding what we're saying and there's no confusion.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
You're there. I mean the U N the Security Council
sanctions against North Korea enforcing those. Have you had any
success in that on that front of late.

Speaker 25 (01:27:17):
Yes, so I said I was last mission. She managed
to intercept to illegal transhipment of Alsted cargo. There's not
a whole lot we can do up there, but what
we can is we can announce out there that what
these ships are doing is against U N. Security Council
resolutions and that they're breaking the law, and basically that

(01:27:38):
they are being monitored and we are reporting those illegal
transhipment of Allsted cargo to and from the DPRK.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
But nothing actually happens to them. They just carry on
their way.

Speaker 25 (01:27:48):
There has been a couple of cases where they have
been incepted and some of those ships have been deregistered.
But as you know, there's quite a dark fleet out there,
so you know, tracking down ownership of those and people
actually owning up to that illegal activity.

Speaker 5 (01:28:04):
Is quite hard.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
What's in them? Is it oil or do you not know?

Speaker 5 (01:28:08):
Now?

Speaker 4 (01:28:08):
A majority of that.

Speaker 25 (01:28:09):
It's oil, and it's sort of coming from It's coming
from all parts of the world, actually, but it's normally
it's out of Russia or coming in through out of
the Indian Ocean and around.

Speaker 3 (01:28:20):
That part of the world.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
Commodore, I'm fascinated by this area of the world. I
spent time living in Beijing and we talk about it
a lot on the show. What's it like to actually
be there?

Speaker 25 (01:28:33):
You know what runs pretty much like what you've probably experienced.
You know, we make them out to be all big,
bad people, but actually it's a friendly country when you're there,
and we do and we have in the past one
port visits. I've been there myself. It's a great experience
and the people are very friendly.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
Doesn't sound like we're going to go to war anytime soon?

Speaker 4 (01:28:54):
Well I hope not.

Speaker 25 (01:28:55):
No one wants war and we try to do everything
to minimize that risk.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
Absolutely a commodore. Really appreciate your time tonight. Thank your
commodore at Shane Arndil, who's with us from the Navy. Fascinating,
just absolutely fascinating. Especially when you consider eighten minutes away
from seven, when you consider just how close and tight
things are getting between Japanese and the Chinese in the
East China Sea. I think I told you about this

(01:29:20):
last night. I can't quite remember if we got to it,
but the Japanese have been so Chinese fighter jets are
up there, and Japan says that the Chinese fighter jets
aimed their radar at the Japanese military aircraft. They say,
it's very, very dangerous thing to do. You shouldn't do it.
Of course, China denies that they have done that. This
is near the Okinawa Islands. There's a whole bunch of

(01:29:40):
islands with this overlapping.

Speaker 5 (01:29:42):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
One group says that they own it, one country says
own other countries as they own it. And that's why
you get it, you know. And you have in the
middle of all of this the Americans and US saying, well,
these are international waters. Some of the areas you're talking about.
You guys can can find about it. You can have
arguments about it, but they're international waters and we need

(01:30:04):
them for our shipping. We send a lot of our
goods to market through these waters. And it's very important
for us. You know, if the Taiwan, if they blockaded Taiwan,
our economy could collapse because of how much shipping goes
through there, how much of our goods go through there.
So it's very very important for us to be doing
exactly what the the good commodore said, we are doing

(01:30:26):
seventeen to seven Ryan Bridge.

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics, it's all
on the business hours with Ryan Bridge and Mass Motor
Vehicle Insurance.

Speaker 5 (01:30:38):
Your futures in good hands us talks.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
That'd be fourteen to seven. Let's go to Endebrady, a
UK correspondent. End of good evening, Good morning to.

Speaker 26 (01:30:46):
You, Hello Ryan, great to speak to you again, my friend, and.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
To you now. Starmacy's is close to a deal to
unlock two hundred billion euros worth of Russian assets and
basically give the money to Ukraine.

Speaker 26 (01:30:58):
Yeah, this would be huge, So it may happen by
the end of this week, if not early next week.
And it's interesting this has all come off the back
of having Macron from France in London yesterday. Zelenski was
there as well, and Friedrich Martz, the Chancellor of Germany.
So Starmer got them all in the room and they
were together for about four hours and they hammered hammered

(01:31:20):
out something. And now the morning's newspapers have it that
the deal is very very close.

Speaker 13 (01:31:25):
Now.

Speaker 26 (01:31:25):
All this money is basically Russian assets that were frozen
for nearly four years. Most of it is in financial
institutions in Belgium. And the people who have been playing
hard ball here on the money front is the Belgians.
They're very worried about being legally liable once the war
is over and having Russia then coming saying well, hang on,

(01:31:46):
where ceremony we put it in your financial institutions. I
don't know how they've got this past the Belgians, but
Starmer's government seems to be quite confident that that two
hundred billion dollars worth of funding is available and will
be going to Ukraine, if not to prolong the war
to start the rebuild once peace kicks in.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
Now as a church Stam has joined TikTok, Yes he has.

Speaker 26 (01:32:11):
And this is interesting because his government has told all
government employees you cannot have the TikTok app on a
UK government mobile phone or device because they've got security
concerns about China. So Nevertheless, he needs popularity. And if
I were being suspicious here, the next election in four
years time, sixteen year olds will be allowed to vote.

(01:32:34):
And I think Stammer's got one eye on the younger
generation coming up and not really knowing who he is
or what he's about. So I'm not saying we're going
to be seeing a dancing here Starmer. He doesn't really
do that, if you've noticed. I think it's more about
him just appealing to younger voters, getting policy across, maybe
just an insight into what working life as a prime
minister is. But it's interesting that none of his staff

(01:32:57):
or indeed him, are allowed to have TikTok on mobile phones.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
Yeah, I will give him that. Actually, he's not one
to pretend he's not trying to be someone who's not.
He's never one to do silly, geffy things.

Speaker 26 (01:33:11):
Absolutely not. I think the problem the public have with
Kiir Starmer is nobody actually knows what he is now. Politically,
we've had fifteen months of him in government and we're
none the wiser.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
He doesn't have ath and matha.

Speaker 5 (01:33:24):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
Medical leaders urged junior doctors not to go on strike
next week. This is because flu cases are going through
the roof.

Speaker 26 (01:33:32):
Yes, and predicted to get even worse. And would you
believe it, the junior doctors and their leaders, they've got together.
This has been agreed five days of strikes starting at
seven am on the twenty to seventeenth of December, for
five days until December twenty second. Now all the medical
leaders are saying, look, we've supported you up until now,

(01:33:52):
but this is categorically the wrong thing to do. They've
got a big bump and pay. A year ago when
Starmar's government came in and critics said, look, you've made
a rod for your all back here because my words
twelve months time, they'll last for more. And that is
exactly what's happened. There's also arow over opportunities and training,
but it's mostly about pay and conditions. And as it

(01:34:12):
stands right now, they are defying all advice and they're
going to go out on strike as of next Wednesday,
four or five days. But flu is raging across the country,
a lot of people really struggling, A and E rooms
really busy, and yeah, the junior doctors could make themselves
the grinch.

Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
This Christmas sounds like, inda, thank you for that into
Brady how you can't Correspondent time is ten to seven
News Talk ZIBB.

Speaker 1 (01:34:37):
It's the hitherto see Alan Drive Full Show podcast on
iHeartRadio powered by News Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
ZIBB Height seven on News Talks Big. Great to have
your company tonight. The poll last night will be I mean,
they'll be very very happy with that, as I said
last night, and the National Party caucus, not least because
of the result for Luxon, but also for the party
the coalition. And then also the question which I didn't
have in front of me last night, but I have

(01:35:04):
since had a look at around the economy and you know,
is it turning? And the sentiment seems to be turning.
Because always the best determinant of who will win the
next election is right track rom track. Is the country
on the right track. If the answer is mostly yes,
then you will continue, your incumbent will stay in power.
If the country the vote is say not, then normally

(01:35:25):
your switch governments. Now, what is not doing very well
and what's imploding, and that's obvious to anyone even a
cursory glance is to party molding. They were down to
one percent and Debbie Nadu were Packer and RWDIYTT just
looked completely out to see it. On this they were
asked today, you know, what do you think of the poll?
How are you feeling about it? And they said, we're growing.

(01:35:47):
I mean you're literally not. Your vote dropped two percent
to one percent. That's not growing, that's shrinking anyway, this
is what they said. Debbie said, I guess it. Everyone's
saying it's not looking great at the moment. But that's
because we're a party of maturity. We're growing, We're going
to have We're going to be having these growing pains

(01:36:09):
and that's not too different to any other party that's
been in government. Well you're not in government. That's the problem,
and you never will be. And until you face the reality,
like remember when they had just a couple of weeks
ago they had that reset. What a disastrous reset. If
the reset was self implosion and end of days, they
have succeeded, but I don't think that was the goal anyway.

(01:36:33):
They're going to have to what the first step to,
you know, getting yourself to a better place's acceptance. And
they haven't accepted that they have done anything wrong yet.
And that is the problem with departy. Malori and it's
what are we going out to tonight?

Speaker 27 (01:36:48):
This is written in the stars by Tiny Temper. This
was a really really big hits back in twenty ten,
and unfortunately for Tiny Temper, he hasn't really had another
hit since then that has gotten quite as big.

Speaker 5 (01:37:02):
He had.

Speaker 27 (01:37:03):
He had a couple of middling ones, but you know,
he's kind of fallen into obscurity. So you may be wondering,
Tiny Temper, that promising rapper from twenty ten, what's he
been up to. Well, he's done an interview recently where
he's talked about a new hobby that he's taken up
in the last six years, Brazilian jiu jitsu, and apparently
he's not too bad at it. He's he's a purple belt,
which is like the middle one that's the intermediate raking.

(01:37:23):
So he's now qualified enough that he can start teaching
young to people Brazilian jiu jitsu, and I think he's
two belts off the black belt, and he says he
absolutely loves it, thinks any martial arts discipline is great
for your mind, your body, your soul, and your mental health.
So good on your Tiny Temper reinventing himself. He is
still touring as well and playing festival. So maybe maybe
the sort of the discipline and the meditation will bring

(01:37:43):
him another more success on the chase.

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
Because I know his name, but I couldn't tell you
any of his songs.

Speaker 27 (01:37:50):
Yeah, this one that I really like.

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
This one back in the day. I think most people
will probably recognize it.

Speaker 27 (01:37:55):
But yeah, I'd struggle to put another one in front
of somebody in raps and recognize it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
Nice. And there's always room to do something else, isn't
there always a room to pivot your news? Talk to you, bait.

Speaker 5 (01:38:04):
It is five to seven, Bryan Bridge.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
It is four minutes away from seven now on News
Talks dB. That was Tiny Temper who was playing us
out this evening that we'll be back tomorrow of course
with the more now just before we go. I had
a text earlier which I didn't get to, and the
gist of it was this was about the ACC working
from home situation. It was from a lawyer who works
with ACC said, this idea that you do not lose

(01:39:28):
productivity by having people working from home is an absolute nonsense.
This person and I read the text was very long text,
but I read it during the break. This person deals
with ACC on a daily basis. They said, it is
absolutely noticeable pre change to post change. Working from home

(01:39:51):
definitely affects productivity. So that you go, We'll keep you
up to date with that story as it develops. Tomorrow.
News talks 'b C tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:39:59):
I think that's my rest For more from Hither Duplessy
Allen Drive, Listen live to News Talks it'd be from
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