Full Show Podcast: 09 February 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
duper c Ellen Drive with One New Zealand coverage like
no one else, News Talks Heavy.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Afternoon.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Welcome to the show. Coming up today, we're going to
get you to court for a Brenton tarrant appeal the
government seven out of ten announcement which is due today
is coming up shortly. And he has a question should
kids be learning touch typing to help them in a
digital world?

Speaker 4 (00:26):
Ever, duper c Ellen got another.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Question for you. Is it possible that there are some
sporting events that are just so big that they can
basically do what they want politically without suffering. Now, I'm
asking this because of what's just happened during the Super
Bowl halftime performance. Bad Bunny was everything that the MAGA
crowd expected him to be and I suppose feared him
to be. They were already who was threatening, you know,
some of them threatening to boycott the halftime show because

(00:49):
Bad Bunny is a vocal critic of Trump's ice raids,
having spoken out at the Grammys last week. And that
was just the latest and a number of speeches. A
Trump aligned MAGA group hosted an alternative halftime show featuring
Kid Rock and so you know they were expecting something
and it came at the end of Bad Bunny's performance,
surrounded by flags from mainly South America. He made his point.

(01:10):
He said, God bless America, and then he name checked
countries throughout North and predominantly South America, which was obviously
deliberately provocative, being that Ice is catching migrants from those countries.
And like clockwork, Trump then took the bait and immediately
hit the troth the truth social causing him to then
have a crack at the super Bowl. Now, my prediction
on this is that the super Bowl, the super Bowl

(01:31):
is going to weather this. It will beat Trump and
MAGA on this one because it always weathers the politics.
I mean, you remember back to Beyonce's Black Panther esque
performance ten years ago, there was criticism the Super Bowl
was drawn into the Colin Kaepernick taking the knee stuff.
There has been low level drama in intervening years, and
yet the Super Bowl just keeps on setting records. We
watch it from New Zealand. Last year, it attracted nearly

(01:53):
one hundred and twenty eight million viewers, making it one
of the most watched US broadcasts. Ever, I am firmly,
firmly of the view that you should never mix politics
with sport, because you simply give some fans a reason
to leave in an age when you do not need
people to leave. But maybe there just are some events
that are so big they can afford to and not

(02:13):
even Trump condemn their popularity. And maybe the Super Bowl
is exactly that kind of an event.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
Ever, Duper s Allen.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Nine nineteen is the text number, standard text piece of
fly and I'll play you some of the stuff so
you can feel like you've watched it if you haven't. Now,
almost ten thousand Air New Zealand customers have had their
travel plans ruined by an upcoming strike action. So forty
four flights have been canceled for Thursday and Friday because
the cabin crew striking over paying conditions. Many of the
flights have been rebooked, but that may not be enough

(02:42):
for disrupted plans. Air New Zealand's chief Customer and Digital Officer,
Jeremy O'Brien is with us on this high Jeremy, yeah
you and very well, thank you. How many of the
affected flyers have had have been rebooked and completely accommodated.

Speaker 5 (02:57):
Yeah, so we've actually provided reccommodation options for all of
the impacted customers on the flights two to three days
either side of the strike days. Now, we're not every
customer that's going to be suitable, and for those customers,
they are entitled to and should request either a credit
to fly later or a refund. But we have been
able to provide reaccommodation options to all customers.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah, and customers are also Jeremy, correct me if I'm wrong,
but I understand they're also able to if they need
to claim things like accommodation from you guys, or any
kind of costs associated with disruptive travel.

Speaker 6 (03:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:32):
Correct, So this is a controllable disruption. So the main
thing for us is to make sure that customers are
the impacted minimized as much as possible. So if you
do need to change plans and you do incurre reasonable
cost bit for transport accommodation meals, then absolutely a customer

(03:53):
should look to have those reinburst as well.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Okay, are most people being decent about it?

Speaker 7 (04:00):
Look?

Speaker 5 (04:00):
I mean I think most people are very reasonable, and
the reality is, in most instances, people want to get
to where they're going to. In some circumstances there will
be time bound things that mean that the new flight
times aren't convenient, and therefore we absolutely again say to
customs please do apply for a credit or a refund

(04:20):
and we will process that for you.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Right, let me just get this right. So is it
all your international flights on Thursday and Friday?

Speaker 4 (04:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (04:27):
So it's our wide body crew and our wide body
aircraft fly our long haul international flights, so into Asia
and North America. What we have done is we have
limited the impact on our Tasman and Pacific un'm flying
because we're able to put on and narrow body aircraft
are the smaller jets on those flights. And then for

(04:48):
those long haul flights, we have provided alternative options both
on in New Zealand two to three days before or after,
but also alternatives across as Star Alliance and other partnary
lines as well. So we've exhausted every single way in
which we can reaccommodate our passengers as close as possible
to their original travel dat right.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
So no one's going to be complaining about the international
Corra clubs being too busy on Thursday and Friday? Are they.

Speaker 5 (05:16):
Well, look, there'll be no there'll be no none of
ours long haul flights will be going out that day,
so they will be a little bit quiet, and that's
for sure.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Hey, Jeremy, what's going on? Somebody said to me, it's
been noted that the flights are turning up. I don't
know if you can speak about this domestically, but apparently
the domestic flights are running a little bit more to
time this year. Are you guys making an effort?

Speaker 5 (05:38):
Look, I mean, it's a real focus for us. We're
very aware that the first and foremost of the best
thing we can do is run our network on time
and to schedule, and so there's been a huge amount
of hard work going on in the background in order
for us to do that. We can continue to improve,
but it is a real focus for the business.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Good stuff, Jeremy, it's always good to talk to you.
Thank you, mate, Jeremy O'Brien, who is in New Zealand's
Chief Customer and digit officer, Hot off the press. A
pole has just dropped, I reckon in the last our
last hour or so, Taxpayer's Union Caurier poll are Labor's
still in charge on thirty four percent? It's come back
ever so slightly zero point three points. National is in
second place on thirty one percent. Comeback also very small,

(06:16):
zero point two points. New Zealand first has dropped like
a reasonable chunk for its boat share. It's down one
point four points to ten point five percent. Greens have
jumped two point six points to ten point three percent,
Acts dropped zero point three points to six point seven percent,
and in the Malori parties dropped zero point one points.
They're sitting just shy of three percent. Cost of living

(06:37):
is the single most important issue. That's up seven point
four points to thirty five percent. This is its hot
and this is important. This is the cost of living's
highest result since May twenty twenty four. Now I don't
I can't explain it to you, and i'd love to know.
I'd love it if you have an explanation for it.
I'd actually love to hear it. But I have noticed

(06:59):
that there there are a lot more people, just I
want to say, in the last six months or so,
who have started to really feel it. And maybe what
it may be is the rates going up, the insurance
going up, all those extra cost pressures that maybe hadn't
reached the pinch point that they are now up there
and you've got it, I would say I ad venture
a higher bracket, a higher people in the higher earning

(07:21):
bracket who are now starting to feel it. This I
do not think will be the government will not be
reading this and thinking, oh geez, that's great for election.
They will be worried about that, because how on earth
is cost of living back at a level it was
two years ago, when the ocr has only gone in
one direction for the last We will anyway, Barrysopa will
talk us through the poll when he's with us in
half an hour's time. If I do not get a

(07:43):
satisfactory answer, and probably if I do get a satisfactory
answer on the text, I'm going to talk to Nicolauleas
about this after six o'clock, as they should be sweating
bricks over that quarter past.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
It's the Heather Duper see Alan Drive Full Show podcast.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
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Speaker 3 (08:01):
Heather. I've just got a sound off because I'm very,
very angry about the Mosque Killer having his weekend courts
beyond belief blah blah blah. A fair point. I think
it will be disturbing to quite a few people that
he is in court again looking for application to appeal
basically his guilty. Please. He's told the court this morning
that the only reason that he was basically not he
reckons in a fit state to plead guilty when he did,

(08:23):
because he was pleading guilty to try to speed things up.
He thought that he could catch the state in the
media off guard. I thought, he says, I could fly
under the radar if I could time it when the
lockdown's kicked in, which obviously failed miserably for him, because
I think he might have underestimated how angry he made people. Anyhow,
We're going to go to our reporter who is in
court just half the five right now. It's four eighteen.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Sport with Generates putting performance first generate keywisavor dot co
dot NZID.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
Jason Pine sports talk hosters with us. Hello, Piney, Piney,
are you there.

Speaker 8 (08:56):
I'm here. Yes, I'm here. Sorry, I was always here,
maybe head slightly softer voice than normal.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
You know what it was out It was a fault
at our end. So don't doubt about it.

Speaker 8 (09:05):
No, I highly doubt that.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
Yeah, you are so charming. Now, how are you enjoying
that Super Bowl? It's first stop start, isn't it.

Speaker 8 (09:13):
Well, that's sets NFL for you, isn't it? And for
the first three quarters not a touchdown to be seen.
I sort of been in combs with my son as
a big NFL and he said, I can't believe I
stayed home from work to watch this. Seattle have got
a couple of touchdowns. They're twenty nine to thirteen ahead.
There's less than two minutes to go. But as you say,
the clock stops here and there. But I think Seattle
have certainly one hand on the Super Bowl, and we'll

(09:34):
have both hands on it very shortly.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Does it surprise you that we tune in? I mean,
you know most of it. I have no bloody idea
what's going on. Most people have no idea what's going
on the field in New Zealand. Yet apparently we tune in.
Does that surprise you? No, not really.

Speaker 8 (09:47):
I think it's the occasion. I'll tell you what. The
biggest crowd here at z B and Wellington was around
the halftime show Bad Bunny. Did you see Bad Bunny?

Speaker 9 (09:56):
Do you know who?

Speaker 10 (09:56):
That is?

Speaker 3 (09:57):
No idea, but that is a camp He is camping
having fun, isn't he?

Speaker 8 (10:02):
Well, it looks like he's enjoying the big payday. He's
going to get in the big exposure if he needs
any more. He's apparently massive, old big bunny, So I'm
going to down When it was playlist for the drive home.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Oh, don't don't bother it's Latin trap. I don't No
trap is good whether it's Latin or English. But did
you realize this, Piney? He pops up. He has lead
Spotify's you know how Spotify does that wrapped thing at
the end of the year. He has been number one
on Spotify's Global Wrapped for about four years in a
row and doesn't even show up in New Zealand Get Out.

Speaker 8 (10:33):
Yeah, well, was he on Christopher Luckxen's playlist over something.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
The loves Latin trap? That Chris Reluxe and Law is
a big, big, big bad bunny fan. Actually, now, when
are we going to get our first Winter Olympics medal?

Speaker 8 (10:45):
Hopefully tomorrow morning. Zobe Sadowski Senate, who we obviously know
has got huge pedigree, has gone through to the Big
Air final in the snowboard tomorrow morning, is top top qualified.
This isn't even her best event. She's got a silver
of bronze on this from the last two games. The
gold was in the in the slow style, which is
her other event. But she's qualified top as I say,
a ninety with her first to jump this morning, which

(11:07):
you know is well, it's the top score from anybody.
I think tomorrow morning around eight point thirty the skits underway,
maybe slightly earlier, Zobe saidowskis and it should pick up
yet another game's medal and our first of twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Hey, listen, and how are you feeling about the T
twenty World Cup.

Speaker 8 (11:23):
Well, I was a bit worried at fourteen for two
chasing one to eighty, but yeah, we got there. Okay, Look,
Afghanistan was a bit of a banana skin. We got
just got that should now get us into the super rights.
This tournament starts in a couple of weeks for me
when all the kind of the minnows go home and
the big guy slug it out, including us hopefully.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, good stuff. Hey, thank you very much, Pony. As
always Jason Pine's sports talk host. He'll be back at seven.
By the way, this is the big announcement from the government.
It's got to do with LNG.

Speaker 11 (11:49):
Today we're announcing the next steps and establishing an LNG
import facility. This will provide a reliable backup fuel source,
reducing the impact of dry year risk on electricity price
and stabilizing electricity costs.

Speaker 12 (12:02):
For Kiwis.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
When he sets seven out of ten this morning to
Mike Is, I go, a's a good one. It's seven
out of ten. I'm not sure he meant seven out
of ten in terms of stupidity, but it does rank
up there. We'll talk about that later.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
For twenty two, the headlines and the hard questions, it's
the Mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 13 (12:21):
I'm mister Christopher Luxen is whe us social media? Is
it true that Erica Stanford told somebody unassuming meta that
you as a government have made up your mind that
you will be putting some ban in place.

Speaker 11 (12:32):
Yeah, we want to progress a social media ban front
as are you going.

Speaker 13 (12:35):
To be doing anything different than Australia's doing, than Denmark's doing,
that Spain's doing, Given their's doesn't work, we are.

Speaker 11 (12:42):
Looking very closely at what the Australians are doing. The
benefit of going a year or so later is that
we actually get.

Speaker 13 (12:47):
To see what is even if it doesn't work, which
is it's not what they want.

Speaker 11 (12:50):
Sure, but but Mike, we're going to die trying here,
and we have lots of restrictions in the physical world
none in the virtual world.

Speaker 13 (12:56):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
a Vida whose talk z'd be.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
The name you trust to get the answers you need.
It's Heather Duplicyl and drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else us.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
Talk theb Hither.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
I would describe myself as a high income middle New Zealander,
heavily taxed, feeling very hollowed out by and by an
effective tax rate of forty eight percent. This is by
the time I pay the GST and then the thirty
nine percent income tax. Also have a mortgage, working as
hard as I can, going sideways. This government has really
failed working New Zealanders, even high income ones. Yep, Hither
at cost of living absolutely as the ocr drops. It

(13:34):
doesn't impact the rates, the power, the gas prices and
the insurances. That's all going up. Blair, thank you, Hither,
I'm and Papa more. Definitely no poverty here, beautiful homes
building like crazy. Every second car is a new Audi
or a range Rover marked safe from property. Yeah, we'll
talk to Nikola about I suspect. I suspect this is
going to be the Yeah. I mean, as we know,
they they put the election all the way back in

(13:55):
November in the hopes that we'd be feeling better by November.
But I'm starting to just think, well, man, and what
is that. That's eleven that's eleven months from now, a
nine months from now. I just feel like they are
going to be pushing it anyway. We'll see. Over in Australia,
the Israeli President has arrived in Sydney to basically begin
his official visit following the Bondi terror attackers. This is

(14:16):
going to be reasonably heated. I would imagine there's already
been caught controversy over the weekend and the lead up
to the weekend. We'll have a chat to Oliver Peterson,
who's going to be with us shortly Greek foran sounds
like he's got himself a flash old job. Speaking of
a New Zealand. Just a minute ago, there is an
exclusive report from the Wall Street Journals suggesting that the
US grocery giant Kroger is about to appoint him as

(14:37):
their CEO, maybe maybe even in the next couple of
hours or so. They wanted someone that had a bit
of a difficult time because their ce if I remember correctly,
their ce left about a year ago with a bit
of a cloud. There's some ethical problems and stuff like that.
So they wanted to look outside of the business and
find someone. Could you go past Greek foran If you
were a US giant in the grocery space, I reckon

(14:59):
you'd ruggle to find very many people better than him,
because of course he knows the stuff turned Walmart around
famously and so on, and this is a big old
business that needs somebody like that. So as soon as
that is confirmed, I think we can basically assume it's confirmed.
I mean it's it's being reported by the Wall Street Journal.
That will not be people playing games, will it. Anyway,
Barry Soapa is going to be there shortly talk us

(15:19):
through that poll. And as I say, Oli Peterson standing
by news is next.

Speaker 9 (15:24):
Quote get with oh, I get with my.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
It's Heather dup c Ellen Drive.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
With One New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile
news talks that'd be.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
We can last Teacher Nature. The people who are complaining
about the costs of living seriously think that voting labor
is going to fix it. Olive Peterson is going to
be with us shortly. I don't know if you realize this,
but one of the guys playing in the Super Bowl
today was as a guy who's actually born in Auckland.

(16:11):
His name is George Halani, who plays for the Seattle Seahawks.
He's part of a Tonguin family who moved here. Then
he was born here. They lived in Orni, Hunger, and
then his family moved up to the US and the rest,
as they say, is history. I can't tell you if
he played well, because I don't know what the hell's
happening on the field all of the time. But the
NFL dot com has a video of him with the
caption George HALLANEI puts two Pats defenders on skates with

(16:34):
filthy duke move, so it sounds like he had a
day of it. Twenty four away from five.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
It's the world wires on newstalks, they'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
Israeli President Isaac Hertzog has visited the site of the
Bondie terror attack. He and New South Wales Premier Chrisman's
latery there along with two stones from Jerusalem, and here's
some of what he had to say.

Speaker 14 (16:54):
We see ourselves as the protectors of George all over
the world are attacked and are asked in other countries,
and in Australia, which is a model democracy, it must
not happen more.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
With Australia Correspondent Oli Peterson. Shortly so Kios Darmer's chief
of staff, Morgan McSweeney has resigned. So kisys He and
Morgan agreed that it was the right time for him
to leave. The Daily Mail says this is clearly fallout
from the Mandelson debarcle.

Speaker 15 (17:18):
The ramifications for Kis darm are only going to continue
because he has lost the man who was one of
his most trusted aids, the man who he credited with
Labour's you know, huge and landslide victory in twenty twenty four.
And so where he goes from here is anyone's question.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
And finally lost a Belgian woman has swallowed as seen seventeen,
sent me to spoon. Yet don't have a look at
how big that is if you just spread your fingers out,
you know, it's half half a ruler about that swallowed
the whole thing. She was eating yogurt on the couch
and she was holding the spoon with her mouth while
she sent a text and don't pretend you haven't done that,

(17:54):
because you have. But then a dog suddenly jumped up
on her and she panicked and didn't downmatched the spoon went. Thankfully,
the doctors were able to get it out with only
minor surgery, and her boyfriend is now planning on turning
the spoon into an art piece.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance peace of mind
for New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
Business Holly Peterson six, Well, I was going to say sex.
It's ABC now, isn't it? Perth Reporter Radio Drive present
A big deal Ollie? How are you doing mate?

Speaker 16 (18:22):
Helloheader, I'm very well.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
How are you?

Speaker 3 (18:24):
I am very well? Did you have any protests?

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Well not yet, but that still may go ahead.

Speaker 16 (18:30):
So about seven o'clock tonight your time is when a
Supreme Court is expected to give either the go ahead
to this protest or not. About five thousand pro Palestinian
protesters are expected to gather in the Sydney CBD a
lot of workers in the Sydney CBD today have been
told to stay away and have decided to work from home.
So pretty quiet in Sydney it is, as you and

(18:50):
I talk at the moment, Header, As you mentioned that
the Israeli president has visited Bonda, you lay to wreathed
two stones from Jerusalem in honor of those fifteen victims
of the attacks on Jews celebrating first night of Harnikah.
So the Supreme Court expected to deliver some sort of
I say, verdict, but whether or not this particular protest
can go ahead or not by seven o'clock your time, Ollie.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
Are you trying to make goalition the thing?

Speaker 16 (19:16):
Well, I don't know what they are like. If you
look at today's news polls, one nation is now closer
to labor than the Liberals and the Nationals are combined.
That's how bad our opposition is in Australia at the moment. Header,
So yes, they're the goalition for the time being. But
it is being widely reported today that Angus Taylor is
preparing a challenge of Susan Lee, could be as early

(19:37):
as tomorrow, maybe by Friday of this week, so we
could even have a new Liberal leading by the time
the week is out, and it could have another opinion
poll that just sees the Goalition become the no Elition header.
They are just absolutely floundering in the wilderness at the moment.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
And this is just a really odd.

Speaker 16 (19:55):
Time in Australian political history because we have seeing the
demise of the opposition and the surge one Nation. But
you know, test that you've only got Pauline Hanson in
the Parliament. You've got a West Australian One Nation senator
as well. Would that translate on polling day? Who knows?
Because she's got to find a lot of recruits.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
Do you reckon?

Speaker 3 (20:12):
Do you reckon? Dumping Susan Lee is the solution.

Speaker 16 (20:16):
I've got to do something. Yes, she's ms angus tal
Taylor any better? No, But they need some sort of
clear air, they need a different spokesperson. And it's going
to look horrible over here too because they're going to
dump a woman.

Speaker 12 (20:26):
They're going to dump a leader who.

Speaker 16 (20:28):
Has been battered and bruised internally, not just from the
Leaves but the Nationals with the divorce twice and now
they're going to go and do this like things won't
get better Header, but it's just not working at the moment,
so they've got to they've got to do something.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Yeah, fair point. Okay, now you surprised that a professional
baby namer is actually a job.

Speaker 16 (20:46):
I think I'm going to find a new career and
I reckon you could come with me. Do you have
a special meaning? Like do you know why you're Heather?
Did you ever get explained why your name is head? No?

Speaker 3 (20:54):
Because do you know what happened? My mum was giving birth.
She was like, I'm doing all hard work and then
my dad, who was Scottish, walked out of the labor room,
went and registered my name Scottish name, and my mum
was just like what And then he did it again
with my brother, both Scottis names, and she has no idea.
She was like, I think he just liked it.

Speaker 16 (21:12):
Well, I think you and I could serve up a
little side hustle here heaven.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
What about your name?

Speaker 16 (21:17):
Okay? So my grandfather, who I never met, was John
Oliver and died before I was born, so I was
meant to be John Oliver and mum really didn't want
John Oliver because she's got a brother John, and there's
lots of John's in the family, and when I was born,
she just sort of said to dad, you know what
have about Oliver John? And he went, oh, yeah, that's
a good idea too. So that's why I'm Oliver John.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Oh that's nice. Okayway you were going to say, so,
I want to set up We're going to set up
a side hustle.

Speaker 16 (21:39):
Yeah, two hundred bucks to name someone's baby. They just
ring Heather and Olie, and so what should we call
our baby?

Speaker 3 (21:45):
I have to have a ceremony, a like we'd have
to come up with some weird voodoo thing to make
them feel like we didn't just fuck it off the
list of unused names.

Speaker 16 (21:51):
Why don't we just I just don't tell them We'll
use chat GPT or Gemini and then we'll just like
throw it back to him.

Speaker 17 (21:57):
Right, it's a scare.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Now listen, Olie. So I'm into season two of The
News Readers. Just such a good show.

Speaker 12 (22:07):
Mate.

Speaker 16 (22:08):
Like I've been doing maths Married at First Sight?

Speaker 2 (22:10):
This week the latest?

Speaker 16 (22:10):
Have you got the latest season a Married Math?

Speaker 4 (22:12):
I did?

Speaker 3 (22:13):
Have you know what? My iq sits above twenty two?
So I can't watch it.

Speaker 16 (22:20):
That's why you were doing what you were doing, and
that's why I'm doing.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
What I'm doing.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
You're doing the ABC Drive show, so you're not that
half bad in Well, don't worry. I'll give them a call.
I'll tell them what you're watching in your spare time.
They'll dump you. Ollie, thank you very much, Oliver John Peterson,
ABC Perth Radio Drive Presenter. It's eighteen away from five, right,
so here's the Bad Bunny. We're just a little bit
of the Bad Bunny performance for you at halftime. Honestly,

(22:47):
that was some of the best bits. The rest was
trapped and nobody likes that. It was an extravaganza as
you would expect, amazing camera where cameras all over the show,
just like it was just epic. Him falling through a ceiling,
then walking out a door again, walking through dancers, walking
through mock up fields and so on. Globally. By the way,
as I mentioned before, he is massive but lost on

(23:07):
us in New Zealand because we hardly listened to him
relative to the rest of the world. So it was
exciting to see the cameos of other people like Pedro
Pascal and Lady Gaga whatever you got that, squear.

Speaker 9 (23:21):
Nora.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
But what really got the Genexa and millennial crowd in
the office hyped up. Was the sky recky Martin Yep, No,
to answer your question, he is still a hot babe,
even at fifty four. The controversial moment, as I mentioned earlier,

(23:46):
was where bad Bunny name checks the countries and the Americas.

Speaker 18 (23:49):
But bless America, Anaia.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Vehicle.

Speaker 14 (24:10):
You madiced that, Kanada, Puerto Rico.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Yeah, it's pretty much all the countries that Trump hats
at the moment. So he's gone mental on the truth
social as a result, which is probably exactly what they wanted.
Barry Soper's next sixteen away.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
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Speaker 3 (24:29):
Listen. I couldn't tell you this before because I didn't
have confirmation, but Greg FOURD is going to be on
the show after half past six to talk us through
the job, because of course we're just waiting for confirmation
that he's been appointed to the US retail giant Kroger's
half past six with Greg. Right now, it's fourteen away
from five and Barry Sober seeing your political correspondence with
US high Barry, Good afternoon. So the Big seven out
of ten announcement is the allergy.

Speaker 7 (24:51):
Well that's what we were told by Chris Luxan this
morning that it was going to be a seven out of ten.
But look, I suppose if we have to have insurance
against spikes and prices of electricity during a dry winter,
which we saw in twenty twenty four, electricity went through
the roof. And what they're saying is that this LNG

(25:13):
facility and they talked about bringing LNG into the country
at that time, you'll remember, but they didn't have any
facility to be able to store it and this will
provide that in Taranaki, so that's sort of the home
of energy now. But it'll be paid for. It's north
of a billion dollars. We're told they couldn't put a
precise price on it because the final announcement, so it's

(25:37):
a bit of an announcement of an announcement. The final
announcement will be in around June this year and they
say it could be up and running by next year
or the year after. So that those are the assurances
that we've got from the government. But key we households
being told by the Minister of Energy, Simon Watts that

(25:58):
what they're going to do is they're going to have
to pay a levee on their electricity bill, even though
they will be he says, fifty dollars a year better
off as a result.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
The levy foro not for building this thing. For building
Oh my gosh, no, we've got.

Speaker 7 (26:18):
Well, they can't say that because they haven't got the
detail of that yet because they've still got six names
that they're dealing with in terms of companies that will
front up and build this thing. Here's the Energy Minister
on it.

Speaker 19 (26:32):
Every day Kiwi households and businesses pay a premium because
the market fares winter power shortages. The reality of the
commercial negotiation will dictate the exact operational costs for this facility,
and then the levee's purpose will be able to cover
that cost. So we'll work through that once we conclude
commercial negotiations. But to your point, the levee will cover

(26:55):
the costs to operate this facility that in effect operates
as an insurance policy.

Speaker 7 (26:59):
So that's that's the explanation that there were asked quite
a few questions about missus Luxon and Watt's about this levy.
Isn't it at tax of some sort? But of course
they deny that, and they say the net benefit to
households as a result of it, as I said earlier,
will be fifty dollars a year.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
Fifty dollars a year, one dollar a week, one dollar
a week.

Speaker 7 (27:24):
But it's for an insurance policy here.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
Though, what is that? Fourteen cents a day? Yeah, okay,
we'll deal with the seton. Oh my gosh. Wow. Anyway,
Simon Watts is going to be with us alfter five,
so we'll all good. We'll celebrate that one dollar a
week with them. The poll, what do you make of
the poll?

Speaker 7 (27:47):
Well, look, it's saying the same thing, isn't it that
Poles have been saying now for some time? Not a
hung parliament. But I've certainly it's going to be a
close election, and I think there's a general expectation that
it will be close. But I still have an expectation
that hopefully this economy and the mood of the nation
will be turned around by mid year, which gives the

(28:10):
political debate a whole new momentum and the lead up
to the election. But this pole, this is the Union
yea Caurier pole, the basically Labors taking support off National
and Nationals coming down a bit. But the thing is,

(28:31):
all these figures are well within the statistical margin of
era of three percent, so you know, the relatively meaningless
at this time.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
And that jump and support for the Greens look suspicious, right,
They've done nothing.

Speaker 7 (28:44):
Yeah, and the only reason it's Home Parliament is because
the New Zealand First support has dropped slightly in this pole.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
So you know, I just.

Speaker 7 (28:52):
Wish the posters would give us a break for maybe
two months and then we can look at everything again
and run.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
You want no polls in elections too much? No, I'm saying,
but you know we say this.

Speaker 7 (29:06):
You may remember here that every election year that we're
poll acted, where by the time we get to election.
This is why Jim Bolder said, bugger the pollsters, because
you get it week after week after week, and at
the moment they're sort of telling us the same story.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
All right. I see that the judge who's alleged to
have yelled he's lying at Winston Peter's at the Northern
Club while he was doing the speeches, is having her
day in court at the moment.

Speaker 7 (29:31):
Yeah, she's before the Judicial Commission, which is a powerful
body that can recommend interestingly, no more than that to
the Attorney General, who happens to be due to the
Collins that she be removed from office. Now, the expectation,
I'll talk to somebody that was at the herring today
and the expectation is that she is now fighting for

(29:52):
her life because they had a judicial meeting, a meeting
of judges basically at the Northern Club, and she was
with her partner who's an ICU specialist. He gave a lip,
gave a bittle lip to Casey Costello, who was sitting
near the door the judge. Akins says that she never
knew that it was Winston. What she said was preaching

(30:17):
falsities to the crowd.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Because Winston's not is quite is not really, you know,
He's the kind of person you could mistake for someone else,
not well known everyone.

Speaker 7 (30:31):
She said, she didn't, I think there's a bit worse
for where some of these people are also party this night.
But she said when she was looking back being escorted
past the room, she looked back and saw it was
Winston in fact speaking, and she realized then that when
he talked about te Kunger being taught in law school
as opposed to the Westminster assistant, I think you know,

(30:54):
even Winston would say that was probably going a stead
te fat All.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
Right, Barry, thank you very much, appreciated, by the way,
Happy birthday, how old well passed hearing hades Old, That's
what I think.

Speaker 10 (31:06):
Rubbish, Senior political correspondent, seven away from five, Heather, it's
Monday morning, ten am today in Topoor Cafes Fall.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
It does seem to me that plenty of people have
spared dollars to blow. Not sure about a crisis, Lin,
thank you very much. Okay, listen, so Joanne said Heather,
I'm interested to hear why this idea with the LNG
is stupid. We know you love coal. It's not a
coal versus gas thing. At a billion dollars an import
facility is at the very very high end of what
we were expecting. There was a report that was commissioned,
I think it was last year, and it estimated that

(31:40):
to build one of these facilities would be somewhere in
the vicinity of two hundred million to a billion. We've
now heard it's north of a billion, so it is
far more expensive than any of us were expecting. The
problem that we have with this gas is it's very
very expensive, right bringing an LNG is very expensive. This
stuff sells for about twenty to twenty one dollars per

(32:01):
gigdule gas At the moment. Natural gas in New Zealand
is eight to ten dollars per gigadeel, so it's twice
the price. So this idea that it's going to bring
down your gas bill and smooth out spikes, well, I
don't know how much of us like, only if things
are spiking to ridiculous levels, is going to smooth it out?
Plus a dollar a week that you're saving. I mean, honestly,
is that even worth worrying about? I just want for

(32:22):
a billion dollars? And also, by the way, meth and
X is slated to close, apparently going to close if
you listen to industry rumors, possibly around about December this year.
What happens if methanex stops burning all that natural gas?
What do you think happens to the natural gas? It's
coming to you, honey, and it's coming cheap, so then
you don't need to import the stuff, do you? The
alernger anyway, son and watch he knows more than I do,

(32:44):
so we'll ask him about that when he's with us shortly.
He's the minister. And also we're heading to court to
find out what is going on with the Sprinton Tarrent appeal.
Next news took se f feet Oh you set my
heart on the feeder.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Oh the only drive show. You can try the truck
to ask the questions, you get the answers, find a
fact sack.

Speaker 4 (33:07):
And give the analysis.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Here the duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and
the power of satellite Mobile, News Dog said.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
The afternoon, the christ Church mosk attacker is blaming his
mental health for pleading guilty. He's in court seeking leave
to appeal his conviction. He's arguing that his mental health
deteriorated after he was jailed and that he was forced
to plead guilty. Emily Ansel has been following developments at
the Court of Appeal and is with us now. Hi Emily, Hello, Okay,
what have we learned from today's hearing?

Speaker 20 (33:38):
So I guess the main takeaways were sort of him
reiterating what he had been complaining about. So the Marchessting
terrorist has told the Court of Appeal he was essentially,
as you say, forced into this guilty plea due to
prison conditions. So he's reference to his solitary confinement. The
twenty four seven observations, the lack of reading materials was
a focus at this morning, is contributing to a decline

(33:59):
in his house. So he also mentioned he thought guards
were playing mind games with him and telling him they
couldn't understand what he was saying. So all of this,
he says, led to something of an identity crisis. Didn't
know what his views were, didn't know what his ideals
or decisions he should be making. He also noted any
remorse he felt was irrational as a result, and so
as a result as well, he could only therefore, you know,

(34:23):
put forward this guilty plea, as that was his only option.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
How did he appear?

Speaker 20 (34:30):
He looked quite different to how we have seen him previously.
A few of us actually didn't recognize him initially. He
was articulate and responsive. He was wearing a white shirt,
dark rimmed glasses. He looked trimmer than he had been,
and he also shaved his head. So he, you know,
put up a good a good appearance in that way.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
Okay, what does it actually mean that he's seeking leave
to appeal?

Speaker 20 (34:52):
So in New Zealand, in criminal cases, a person's sentence
in the High Court generally has about twenty working days
to file an appeal. He put his application for much
later than that, so now he is able to request
that the court grant leave to appeal out of time.
So he has to explain the delay and show this
an arguable case. And in his explanation he's told the court,

(35:17):
you know, multi fastened, multifaceted reasonings. He says he didn't
want to make such an important decision without Gatson knowledge.
He was awaiting key information such as the Royal Commission
of Inquiry report, which he had to wait over a
year for, and he wanted this and other bits of
information before making any legal decisions. He also wanted to
wait until he was of sound mental state compared to

(35:38):
how he claims to have been during the time he
pleaded guilty.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
All right, how much longer togo in this hearing?

Speaker 20 (35:44):
So this hearing is set out for five days, including today,
So this will go all the way through until Friday,
at least that's what's penciled in. But the outcome will
likely be one we have to wait for as the
judges are expected to reserve their decision.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
For a while. Emily, thanks very much, appreciate it. Emily
Ansel Newstalks Be reporter who was in court today e
ten past five.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
Heather due for cels.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
So the government's announced that it's going ahead with building
an LNG import facility. It'll cost north of a billion
dollars and hopefully be set up in Taranaki by next
year or early twenty twenty eight. Simon, what's is the
Energy Minister?

Speaker 21 (36:15):
High Simon, very good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
Right, sell this idea to me.

Speaker 21 (36:20):
Well, Heather, we had a major price shock in the
energy market in twenty four that's because we didn't have
enough gas in New Zealand. We've got dilated supplies here domestically,
so we need the ability to import it. That's what
we're looking to build, and Cabinet's given me the definitive
decision to get on in contract to get an importation
facility built. That'll take the risk and put certainty back

(36:41):
in to make sure we do have gas in a
dry year and with that that provides benefits to the
broader country and also underpins economic growth.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Okay, how much are you going to levy each household
to pay for this thing?

Speaker 21 (36:53):
So the levy rate is going to be in the
region of two to four dollars per mega What hour
in regards to how sold impacts of that? Have you
taken into account the costs and benefits which is based
on the advice that I've given, it's equivalent to roughly
fifty dollars per household. The reality is is that some
of that benefit would be flowing to business, commercial and

(37:14):
industrial users as well as households.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
But it's going to have an abrog're looking it. So
it's going to cost fifty dollars per year.

Speaker 21 (37:21):
No net benefit.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Our first goingness save benefit of total.

Speaker 21 (37:26):
Yes, total benefit at an economy level of two hundred
and sixty five million dollars.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
Per So I just want to understand this. So is
this basically the saving that we would make from using
the LNG and then minus the levy we're paying, we're
left with the net benefit of fifty bucks a year.

Speaker 21 (37:43):
It is the savings that officials have indicated we will
see in terms of a reduction of electricity prices in
New Zealand, less the levee that we will charge to
in effect build and operate this importation facility.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Okay, tell me if my figures are correct. I've read
that the cost of al enge g LNG sells it
around twenty to twenty one dollars per gigadule, whereas natural
gas in this country is currently selling at eight to
ten dollars per gigadul. Is that correct, That's in the broad.

Speaker 21 (38:10):
Range, but there is a significant.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Well, how are you going to spid a global mark?
How do we smooth out price shocks by bringing something
into the country that's more expensive than what we're paying
for in the country.

Speaker 21 (38:23):
Well, under the status quo, our problem is we do
not have the fuel to be able to make electricity.
We do not have the fuel.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Will Methodics, but will Methodics closing at the end of
the year as is rumored, not free up a whole
bunch of gas coming out of Mai, thereby still plan redundant.

Speaker 21 (38:41):
No, that's not correct. Any predicated closure of Methodics would
be based on the fact that there is not sufficient
gas for it to operate.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
So add an industrial in the country. So I'm an
at an industrial level, We don't. We're just residential users.
We just use a little bit and what's remaining can
go to commercial users.

Speaker 21 (39:00):
What New Zealand needs is certainty of the ability to
obtain gas into the decades ahead, and that's what an
importation facility will do certainty over multi decades. That's what
we needed. Stability and knowing that we can get that
fuel should we have it in a dry year, we've
got an insurance policy and effect and under the status
quad if you think about what we've got today, we
do not have that. And this is going to be

(39:22):
in play by winter twenty seven early twenty eight. That's
pretty fast in terms of getting stuff done in this country.
But you know the certainty that that will give based
on the official advices. You know the benefits exceed the costs,
so that's important for energy security.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
You do accept though that what you're doing is more
expensive than what we're paying already a one country.

Speaker 21 (39:40):
What I accept is is at the moment I don't
have any ability to get fuel domestically to cover a
dry year, and that's why we need the ability to import.
This is going to give more certainty, more fuel, more
electricity security, and therefore that'll have downward pressure on overarching
price and that's good for business, it's good for households,
all right.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
So I mean, thank you for time, appreciate it as always.
Simon Watt's Energy Minister fourteen past five.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
What hever do psy Allen on.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
The Wellington sewage situation. There's a meeting tonight between the
Mayor of Wellington, Andrew Little and the Prime Minister Chris Luxon.
Little wants a ministerial inquiry into how this has happened
Downe at More Point in Wellington. He reckons there's a
large public interest in the failure, which meets the level
of a government inquiry. He says, given the range of
parties involved, like just given the sheer number of people
who are involved here and organizations, in order to have

(40:27):
a genuinely cohesive, independent review, I think a ministerial inquiry
is needed. Now. I would tend to agree with him
on this. I think it probably does warrant that if only,
I think to warn others, whether they're the councils or
the people that the councils pay to do the work,
the cleanup work, like Veolia in this case, to warn
them to buck up their ideas. Otherwise if they do not,

(40:48):
and if they let things like this happen, which is disgraceful,
then they will be publicly shamed. So I think there
might be a case for it, but we'll have a
chat to Nicola Willis after six o'clock and see whether
she's on board with that. It's quarter past five. Hither
what Labour and the Greens did to the oil and
gas in this country should be criminal to people to
front a public inquiry unbelievable. Arrians probably don't need a
public inquiry given that we're seeing it play out in

(41:08):
real time. Ban the oil and gas exploration start importing
it instead. Pretty mental? Eighteen past five. Now do you
think touch typing should be taught in schools? It turns
out the Education Minister Erica Stanford considered putting the touch
typing in the school curriculum last year. She asked NZQA
where the pupils need to learn this in order to
be ready for online assessments. The idea seems to have

(41:29):
gone nowhere. Steve McCracken is the chair of the Secondary
Principles Counsel and with us.

Speaker 12 (41:33):
Hi, Steve, good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Do you think it's necessary?

Speaker 12 (41:38):
Look, there's no.

Speaker 22 (41:39):
Doubt that a person who can touch type and type
as an advantage over those who are not as competent
on the keyboards as others are. So look, there's pros
and cons both ways, right, But from my perspective, I
think that teaching the digital fluency is much better for
our young.

Speaker 12 (41:55):
People than did just what I grew up with. In
terms of touch typing or finger typing.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
Do you go for the et finger just the one finger,
or do you go for the t rex with the
two on each hand?

Speaker 12 (42:06):
It depends on the mood I'm in, heather, to be
completely honest.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Okay, go all down to maybe get three in four? Hey,
how does it take do you think to teach it?
I mean, I can't imagine it's that hard to teach
a kid how to touch it up? Must take what
like one term?

Speaker 12 (42:20):
Yeah, I wouldn't know the exact details.

Speaker 22 (42:21):
And of course each person learns at a different pace and
appearance that I've been speaking to in our particular school,
with some of even engage in online learning through YouTube
and things like that, where they've put them out their kids,
through their own kids, through the respective courses and things
and just sped things up. But yeah, young people these
days are far more digitally native, I suppose, and in

(42:43):
terms of.

Speaker 12 (42:43):
That rather than just the old keyboard warrior like I am.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
Do you think Okay, So, assuming let's say a couple
of these kids go into one of the online assessments
later in school year eleven, year twelve, year thirteen, whatever,
and they have to type out an exam and one
of them is doing the t rex fingers and the
other one is doing the touch typing. Would the one
doing the t rex fingers genuinely be at a disadvantage
and be unable to complete their exam? Do you think
because they can't touch type.

Speaker 12 (43:08):
I think they're at a disadvantage.

Speaker 22 (43:10):
And anybody who's sat exams knows the precious situations and
you're trying to get your ideas down really quickly, and
having that ability to type would be an advantage to
compared to someone who can't type.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Yeah, yeah, But what does it displace if we start
teaching it as part of the curriculum. What are we
taking out of school learning to make place for this.

Speaker 12 (43:28):
Darn good question.

Speaker 22 (43:29):
The curriculum is pretty full already, and you know, that's
why it could possibly be part of the digital fluency
and digital literacy that has been potentially coming into the
curriculum areas. But yeah, it's one skill in terms of
being able to type compared to the whole range of
being able to use technology and things like artificial intelligence
to the student's advantage.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
Good stuff. Hey, thank you very much, Steve, really appreciate
you talking us through it. Heather Steph McCracken, Secondary Principles
Council Chair, Hither this gas importing announcement is another half
thought out play by the government. Really, it really is.
What this is my prediction on it. I think I
would not be surprised if a bunch of people just
line up now to sort of very gently because obviously
it's a government in its first term and so you

(44:12):
don't want to if you're in the business community, you
don't want to really annoy them too much. So I
think just very gently kind of go NA. Not a
great idea, just watch. I just I suspect that that's
going to happen because it's it doesn't seem the smartest
idea in the world. Five to twenty one.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
It's Heather do for cy Ellen Drive with One New
Zealand coverage like no one else news talks.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
There'd be if you have been following the story of
the Provincial Growth Funds since Jacinda and Winston set it
up in Shane set it up in twenty seventeen. You
won't be completely surprised to hear that a lot of
the money is not going to be paid back. By
the looks of things anyway, it's a lot of money.
We'll get to the bottom of it with the Taxpayers Union,
who are going to be with us in about ten
minutes time. It's twenty four past five. Here's a question

(44:59):
for you. How much time did you spend on Friday
thinking about the significance of the day, the signing of
the Treaty of White Tungy, what it means to be
in New Zealand, or anything like that. I would venture
that most of us hardly gave it a thought. In fact,
we as a family were driving down the motorway out
of Auckland on Friday, and on one of the over bridges,
I want to say it was around Takanini, there was
a group flying the Tennel flag and they also had

(45:21):
the Rusta flag up there, and so I looked up.
I thought, I put it down to them just being
a bunch of Rustafarians out for a bit of a lark,
and it wasn't genuinely wasn't until this morning that all
of a sudden out of nowhere just went click.

Speaker 12 (45:32):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
Of course it was White Tungy Day. That's why they
were out there. That is how little I thought about
White Tungy Day on White Tungy Day, even when the
evidence of it was in my face. Now i'd like
to suggest that this is not how things should be.
But it's like this because we are going about our
national day and completely the wrong way. It shouldn't be
like like it was this year, and most years all
about the yankst, about the moaning about how bad the

(45:53):
government is, about people fighting with each other in public.
This year it was the Maldi Party having therein fighting. Actually,
like Morris Williamson suggested last week on this show, we
could try celebrating it like the Aussies do, who have
mass citizenship ceremonies on the day and they announced their
Australian of the Year honors in remembrance of the day
to mark the day. We could celebrate it like the

(46:14):
Americans if we wanted to. They schedule basketball games or
baseball games or whatever it is that they're doing over there.
They have concerts, they hold parades, they let off fireworks.
Obviously in New Zealand, I don't think that we have
the money at the moment for an extravagance like fireworks
up and down the country. I don't think we have
the national appetite for wild patriotism. I don't think we
ever will. But I also doubt that this government has

(46:37):
the political capital to try to move anything away from
why Toungy the location, given what's happened with the Treaty
Principal's Bill. However, in the future, if someone or some
government was brave enough, I'd be up for doing something
away from White Toungy, wouldn't you. Maybe a sports game
that we could all tune internationally, Maybe a list of
honors or something to mark the day, anything that celebrates

(46:57):
this country rather than dips back into angst, whether that
answers historic or as it turns out this year.

Speaker 4 (47:03):
Fresh Heather dupers Allen hither.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
The Turning Point USA halftime entertainment was over sixteen million views. Now, well,
it may well be that I'm not just not what
I'm saying. I'm seeing that there was six point one
million concurrent viewers. Now, if you don't know what I'm
talking about, this is the Super Bowl halftime where everybody
was so worked up about it being Bad Bunny that
they decided this is turning point, Charlie Kirk's out, but
they decided to put on an alternative halftime show featuring

(47:29):
what was his name, ass it's a kid kid kid Rock.
That's right. It was a name of something that. Yeah,
he's quite a camp guy as well. Actually, when you
think about it, Bad Bunny's camp kid Rockers camp anyway,
so they decided to put that on. How first of all,
number one, six million views, even if you said it

(47:50):
was sixteen million views, does not come anywhere near to
beating what the super Bowl was last year, which was
somewhere in the vicinity of two hundred and eighty million views.
So it's very very small bear. But also maybe by accident,
maybe by design, Kid Rock did not start his performance
until after Bad Bunny finished his performance, so you could
get too for the price of one, which is if

(48:11):
they planned that. I think very smart from them. Anyway,
I'm going to have the huddle shortly, got triciuson and
Josephcganne with us standby it Newses next.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Little hard questions strong opinion here the duplicy Ellen drive
with one New Zealand and the power of satellite Mobile
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Speaker 3 (48:38):
Heather, I totally totally agree with celebrating a special New
Zealand day, right, Well, maybe there's an audience out there
for a future government brave enough to do it. Hey,
Greg Fluran is going to be with us in an
hour's time, because of course, if you'd be reading the
international news, he's tipped to take over one of the
big US retail giants, which is a fantastic This is
his wheelhouse. He'll be stoked about that. And what a

(48:58):
lovely save after having to deal with in New Zealand.
A twenty girls are standing by for the huddle twenty
five away from sex.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
Heaver dup see Allen.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
It looks like a lot of the tax pay money
that's gone into Shane Jones's various provincial growth funds may
be gone forever. The entity that lends money out for
the Provincial Growth Fund in the new version, which is
called the Regional Infrastructure Fund, worries that more than half
of its loan book is either in default or at
risk of going into default. The loan book is worth
four hundred and thirty three million dollars in total. Shane
Jones is the Minister Responsible and with us now.

Speaker 6 (49:27):
Hi Shane, good afternoon, folks.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
Doesn't this prove we shouldn't put money into things that
commercial businesses won't touch.

Speaker 6 (49:35):
Well, the first fact that's been overlooked here is of
the four hundred and thirty three million, about twenty five
million is in peril, not too different from what the
commercial banks are dealing with as we speak at this moment.
But your deeper question is should the Crown do any
of this in any manner of form? You see, we

(49:57):
belong to New Zealand first, and when Winston.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
Hold on Collagis changes. Before you move on though, you're
talking about loan impairents impairments right, twenty eight million. But
the notes now recorded that more than half of Crown
Regional holdings four hundred and thirty three million dollar loan
book is considered at risk of or currently is in default.

Speaker 6 (50:16):
So that is an accountancy treatment which is quite different
than the actual amount of money that the officials have
identified that may be impaired to such a state it
has to be written off. So what the article refers
to is a pretty sloppy analysis of what's actually happening

(50:37):
on the ground. But I can't walk away from that.
I can't change that. Do you want to deal with
the fundamental question that you ask me as why as
the crown during any of this? Yeah, Well, so when
New Zealand first came and and formed the first government
back in twenty and seventeen, we identify there are a
bunch of areas around New Zealand, in regions where there
will never be a market solution, whether it's a portugy

(51:01):
constantly burdened by all sorts of dysfunctionalism. So we made
a call, as a key part of why we're in politics,
to ensure rather than the state just paying millions and
millions of the toll, that we'd worked with local investors
and create enterprises. Now those enterprises have endured through COVID,

(51:22):
just as a whole lot of people have gone broke
over the last couple of years. And we have worked
with the investors, with the owners of these enterprises, and
I think that given there's only ten percent according to
my officials, that's genuinely appearil quite apart from accountancy standards,
we shouldn't overlook Heather. New Zealand first sees a role

(51:44):
for the state in this type of things. I mean,
Cabinet just signed off on a significant amount of money
going to a nuclear initiative led by a young physicist
who wants to keep it. In New Zealand, we have
just much not that long ago, committing one hundred and
fifty million dollars with private enterprise to save the planet

(52:06):
through some climate initiative of stopping the cows from belching.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Okay, but so Shane do at the heart of this,
what you're saying is that if you can see that
business is going to fall over and communities are going
to go on the doll you think it's worth basically
subsidizing their employment in things that would not work in
the market. You put some government money in so they
stay and work.

Speaker 6 (52:27):
So the track record in New Zealand First has whether
it's infrastructure in Coedo, whether it's building a wharf in
a Podo Key, whether it's kiwifruit on Mildi Land, whether
it's the vegetable growers in Gisbone. One of the key
features of New Zealand First is ensuring those areas aren't

(52:47):
bypassed or neglected because WESTPEC can't fit it into an.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
How long do you prop up small towns with government
money instead of letting the market dictate that those businesses
have to fall over and those people have to move
to larger areas and find work there. How many decades,
how many generations?

Speaker 6 (53:06):
And so you ask a fundamental question there, what sort
of country do you want to run? Do you want
everything turned into some sort of American rust belt where
people have no hope for no future. New Zealand first exists,
amongst other reasons, to ensure that all parts of the
four winds of New Zealand have an opportunity and wear

(53:28):
the crown. You remember, we're a four hundred and forty
billion dollar economy and we're talking about twenty five million
dollars and I think people need to put that into perspective.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
All right, Shane, thank you for coming on the show.
It's wonderful to have you on and at such late notice.
I appreciate it. Shane Jones, Minister responsible for those funds
twenty away from Sex the.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
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Speaker 3 (53:51):
Atra Shirson Shuson, Willis pr Jo Spaghani, CEO of Child
Fund on the Huddles me this evening. Hi ladies, hllo,
we weren't expecting Shane, so I will understand if you
haven't thought through particularly well. But that sounded to me, Josie,
very much like the same thing that has propelled Farage
to high polling, Trump to victory is that same thing
looking after the people that we would call the somewheres well,

(54:13):
the leveling up right. So and look, Shane's right, what
kind of country do we want? Do we want a
country where everything has to go into Auckland and then
a little bit into Wellington and then christ Church and
maybe a bit to Dunedin when we've got I often
think about it that you know gives people like places
like Gisbon beautiful places, right, I mean they are to

(54:34):
New Zealand as New Zealand is to the world, beautiful,
full of opportunity and often just abandoned. Right.

Speaker 23 (54:43):
So we want regional development. We need regional development.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
We can't keep its own two feet.

Speaker 23 (54:50):
Well, the whole point about the other countries don't do
loans like the you know this Provincial Growth Fund was
doing and now it's been renamed. I know what they
do is they they do grow right, So if something's
not commercial. They go, right, you want to build a
muscle farm in this community, create jobs. We think that
over the years this will become profitable and it will
have all sorts of spill on effects where you create

(55:11):
other businesses and other industries. So you go, right, we'll
give you a grant. And by definition, because so many
of these things are not necessarily going to be commercial,
you get lots of failures. But all you need is
a few successes and suddenly the east coast of New
Zealand is buzzing, the north is buzzing. And that's what
we've lacked, really. I mean, we've talked about regional development

(55:32):
for years, and you know, if we want a country
where not everybody's going to have to move to Auckland,
we have to pump money into it. I think doing
grants is probably a more honest and realistic way than
doing loans, where you suddenly go, oh, these loans are
gone defaulted and they've gone bunk.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
All right, what do you think, Trush?

Speaker 24 (55:51):
I think, as always the intent of the intent of this,
it's hard to argue with.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
Right.

Speaker 24 (55:59):
I grew up in time a now we saw freezing works, clothes,
hospital clothes, all the main employers close and you know,
thirty years on, the town is in a very different
state and there's no sort of commercial base for jobs there,
so that's really challenging. I do look around the country though,
there are some regions that are actually rarely ripping on

(56:20):
their own two feet and doing really well because there
are different industries that have got in there and up
and running. The issue with the pd that has played
the PGF, in my view, is process and auditing around
a lot of the funds that went out. I might

(56:42):
have a completely different view on how to do this
than other people. But if you take that quantum of
money that was the PGF in New Zealand, it is
a transformative amount of money. I think it was three
point five billion dollars. If you took that money and
you had a single, focused outcome that you wanted to

(57:02):
achieve with it, that can be actually transformative. When you
take that amount of money and you break it up
into lots of little bits, it's much harder to get
a really big benefit.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
It gets you lots.

Speaker 23 (57:14):
I agree with that, and it's a little bit like
when I look at AID, which is in a sense
of regional development project in the Pacific you could just
spend all of the AID budget on bringing digital connectivity
to every community in the Pacific, and you probably do
more for development.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
And I mean there's a specific, a great example of it,
because you've ended up with a whole bunch of states
being beneficiary states, right, instead of actually standing on their
own two feets. So it makes us feel good and
maybe we can tell ourselves we're helping. But in the
long room run, that.

Speaker 23 (57:40):
Says more, like Tricia, I agree with you, Trisha, it
says more about the process and the way that we're
doing it, not the principle of investing. So if you
look at I mean, Rocket Lab emerged out of Mahia Peninsula,
so there's no reason why really entrepreneurial, amazing companies and
businesses and jobs and so on can't emerge in the region.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
So you get it right, let's teac of brag. We'll
come back to the other make work thing that we
appear to be doing, which is all in g quarter two.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
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Speaker 3 (58:11):
Right your back of the huddle, Tris Shurson Shearson, Willis
pr and Joseph BEGANI, all right, do you do touch typing?

Speaker 24 (58:18):
When I was in Form three in nineteen eighty six,
which I have just written to my best friends about
because it's forty years since we met.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
In the third form.

Speaker 24 (58:25):
At time in high school, I was in mis Rafel's
type in class and these were huge computers and we
had to go home and sew our own bib, this
contraption that you put over the keys, so you learned
to touch type. You couldn't see to type, that's.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
All they were doing it so that you were blind.

Speaker 24 (58:43):
Faults, so you were so effectively it had you had
to so that mine was terrible. Can't so elastic bands
round the back of the typewriter and then a piece
of fabric that completely covered the keys and then went
round you. So when you were typing, you you literally
had to learn blind and we had to. We learned
by which I.

Speaker 23 (59:00):
Can born in the nineteen twenties, I know I can.

Speaker 24 (59:02):
I can still recite to you the keyboard off the
top of my head because we had to learn by
wrote exactly how they and this.

Speaker 7 (59:12):
Is a skill.

Speaker 24 (59:13):
You do not regret learning my touch typing, along with
being forced to learn shorthand when I was doing my
degree have been my saving graces.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
It is quite good.

Speaker 23 (59:21):
What do you do, jer, I just do the you know,
the two fingers t rex thing.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
But also it worries me.

Speaker 23 (59:28):
And we're talking about our education system, Adam for Nightam
at the moment, were we really going to focus on
teaching our kids touch typing when everyone's going teach them
AI how to manage them?

Speaker 3 (59:38):
How about teach them maths?

Speaker 23 (59:40):
Maths I mean, or how about teach them to spell?
I mean, none of my kids can spell. They can't
even do paragraphs. For some reason. Teaching I don't know
what a paragraph you know that you get They cut
these essays about the Romans or something, and it comes
back with no paragraphs, and you go, why don't you
make a paragraph? And we're all we're told not to
tell you.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
I tell you what.

Speaker 24 (59:57):
Though, to your point about AI was reading a really
interesting article might have been in Forbes this week about
actually most work spaces now in officers, in you know,
the kind of leading places around the world, they are
all being kitted out with a mic because it's all voice.
You're at your desk, you're not you're not typing anymore.
You're you're talking, you're dictating, or you're blinking.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
Like GP and you go, I need to lift my
HRT patch to two hundred and fifty. Please the GPS
dictating it into the microphone.

Speaker 24 (01:00:26):
Well, it's all AI, the GP, all the notes are.

Speaker 23 (01:00:29):
It's depressing that we're talking about touch typing and the
rest of the world is gone.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Hey, listen, you are something of an expertish on gas,
so tell me what you think marriage to an expert,
what do you think of the LNG look a.

Speaker 23 (01:00:42):
Necessary solution because otherwise, yeah, because otherwise we're going to
have we're going to run out of energy. But what
about when shuts down at these So method nex is
shutting down because there isn't enough gas.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
So let's be honest, about three up heaps of gas
for us?

Speaker 23 (01:00:56):
Well not lots, right, they're going because about a quarter
there's only about a quarter of that capacity left, so
they're going. So, yes, you might be able to fill
in the household energy supply electricity supply for maybe a year,
but it's not a long term solution. So methodics goes.
We deindustrialized the whole of New Zealand because we've stopped
producing any gas. That's not that we're not doing renewables.

(01:01:18):
We're doing heaps of it. But for that five percent
of the energy capacity for you need something else, and
we need to discover another gas field because the reason
methodex is going is because Maui's running out and the
other big ones are running out and we haven't spent
any money or resources. And let's be honest, let's go
back to the beginning of this. The ban on oil
and gas was in complete pipe dream. It was a

(01:01:40):
unicorn dream. You've got to have something that you use.
Gas is the best thing when the sun's not shining
and the wind's not blowing. So we have to get ellergy.

Speaker 24 (01:01:49):
Okay, leave me count to the chase here. And this
is getting to the heart of it rather than Josie's
pillow talk at home about what might what might work
in the electricity and.

Speaker 12 (01:01:59):
Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Yeah, I'm joking, I'm not go.

Speaker 24 (01:02:04):
Go back to the cabinet paper on this, which said
natural gas prices which both set the marginal price of
electricity and are a critical input for industry. Right, So
that's that the transcribe of mine. That's what the cabinet
paper said. So if natural gas is setting electricity prices
and imported lerg is more expensive than current gas in

(01:02:25):
New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
Way up to potentially three times.

Speaker 24 (01:02:27):
What happens to electricity prices with this move to the calculation.

Speaker 23 (01:02:31):
The prices go up when we have an energy shock,
when we don't have enough supply. That's when the prices spike,
and they even spike when we think we might not
have enough supply. So that's a bigger problem than the
fact that energy and yes, absolutely it's more expensive than
natural gas if only we could use our own natural gases.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
But this is not without consequence, right, we are paying
for this thing. We will have to pay a tax
and energy tax now to fund this thing.

Speaker 23 (01:02:54):
Well again, less than we would if we did nothing,
So if we didn't build this energy facility and we
just went, oh god, I've got to get more colon.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
Did you see what? What what Tricia did today? She's
been reading cabinet papers and Forbes so just casually, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:03:09):
What is hey?

Speaker 24 (01:03:10):
I mean, this is just bau along with touch type
getting married and Woman's Week, along with touch typing.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
Okay, I see you very much appreciate it. Look after ourselves.
It's a huddle. This even in Tritius and JOSEPHEGANI it's
eight away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
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Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
Speaking about that group that you saw flying the ten
or flag in the rust flag, you probably saw a
group celebrating Bob Marley's birthday, not White Hungy Day, which
is a fantastic poet because of course, of course it's
Bob Marley's birthday as well, on the sixth of February.
Thank you for pointing that out Hey, Chinese economic growth
has continued to slow. So we're gonna have a chat
to Shane Solly of Harbor Asset Management. They should be
worrying us the reasonable amount I think in about twenty

(01:03:54):
minutes time. Let us talk about heated rivalry. Look at
the woman in look at the woman clothes and just
see if she's blushing right now. And if she's blushing,
that's because she's been watching the heated rivalry in them.
So it was somebody who's very big in content in
television said to me, oh, you're gonna watch heated rivalry.

(01:04:15):
This is this is a great show. And then somebody
else who's much more. I think objective said, no, it's not.
It's not a good show. It's rubbish. It's full of
rubbish acting. Well, apparently the ladies love it. And apparently
the reason ladies love it is because basically the storyline
is a couple of ice hockey players who are rivals,
just you know, after the game, the two dudes, they

(01:04:36):
play the game against each other, then they spend a
lot of time with each other. And it's quite explicit
on the tally. Anyway, do not feel bad if you're
loving the Heated Rivalry. It debuted on Crave, which is
a Canadian streaming network, in late November, and has since
become its most viewed original series ever. It is the
second most in demand TV show globally according to Parrot Analytics,

(01:04:56):
which is a data firm in America, Australia, and the Philippines.
Even in Russia, which has repressive anti gay laws, it
is an underground sensation. It is currently the highest rated
TV show of all time on ken or Poisk, which
is the country's leading film database. Apparently, it has about
eight million American views on average per episode, a third

(01:05:17):
of them are rewatching, fifteen percent of them have watched
five times or more. I'm not drawing any conclusions, just
saying they're watching the same thing a lot. Professional hockey
is seeing a heated rivalry effect. So anyway, don't feel
embarrassed because I'll tell you what all the ladies in
my all but are talking about it. Go and watch
a bit of that for yourself later on, which incidentally,

(01:05:38):
I think is onlyon and I should disclaim that I
am a Sky shareholder, so you'll be doing me a
huge favor very much. Nikola Williss is with us next
New Still.

Speaker 12 (01:05:46):
They be.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Keeping track of where the money is the Business hour
with Heather Duplicy and Mads Insurance and Investments.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
Your future is in good hands. U storgs be.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
Even in coming up in the next hour Greek four
and formerly of The New Zealand on whether he's got
the big retail job with Kroger in the US. He's
with us up the half past Shane Soley of Harbor
Asset Management on whether the Chinese will drop their growth target.
And we'll head to the UK to see if Kirstan
is going to survive. It's seven past six and with
us now is Nichola Willis our Finance Minister Hei Nicoler, Hi, Heather,

(01:06:29):
have you seen the taxpayers Union attack which is out
on the L and g Levey Nope, calling it a
new tax on the electricity sector.

Speaker 25 (01:06:39):
Well, that's just a ridiculous thing to say. What it
actually is is a way of reducing the costs that
New Zealanders are facing for their electricity bills, which at
the moment factor in a massive premium for the fact
that we don't have secure energy supply. So all of
the electricity companies are paying more on the basis that

(01:06:59):
they might run out gas and then what are they
going to do? So we need this strategic security asset
and it's about actually ensuring that allergy prices are lower
in the future. And the estimate is that it'll be
worth around fifty dollars per household.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
This is what they say. Introducing a new tax during
a cost of living crisis would be a huge political mistake.
Luxen promised no new taxes and he will destroy his
credibility if he u turns. Now, how do you get
out of that?

Speaker 25 (01:07:23):
It is not a new tax. This is building a
new LNG importation facility for energy users to use, and
we want the industry to fund that asset because that
asset will support the industry, and in doing that, when
the industry have more secure energy supply, that'll mean lower
costs for households. So for the average key, we're sitting

(01:07:44):
at home. Yeah, at the average kit he ki sitting
at home. What they need to know is, at the moment,
part of why your electricity bill keeps on rising is
because there is a lack of gas supply for when
the rain doesn't pour and the sun isn't shining, and
we are dealing with that problem. And actually this is
going to help lower your electricity. So look, the Taxpayers

(01:08:05):
Union should not be so irresponsible.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
Detail in the detail. I must have got it wrong
because I thought that we as as residential users, we're
going to be paying the levy. But you're telling me
it's the industry who's paying the levy.

Speaker 25 (01:08:16):
Well, we're still in the procurement approach, but it's intended
to be funded by the industry because we think that
the costs of that will be less than the price
currently being paid.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
Electricity users will not pay this.

Speaker 25 (01:08:29):
We think this will lower costs to households because at
the moment you'll come on risk premium.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
Come on, be straight with me. Our punter is going
to pay this? Are we going to pay this? As
electricity users?

Speaker 25 (01:08:41):
We are going to reduce the costs per household by
reducing the risk premium that you currently pay.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
My question, it's really obvious.

Speaker 25 (01:08:51):
Well, we haven't announced what the levee will be because
we haven't actually got the procurement. Who's paying the levy
approach defined well, the energy companies will part in the
first instance.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
And then the punters will pay it.

Speaker 25 (01:09:03):
They will face a reduced cost because at the moment
they are paying a higher price for their electricity.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
I feel I hate to say this. I feel like
even Simon Watts was more honest before when he actually
answered that question. But anyway, we're back to that. Look
in the poll, the Taxpayer's Union Curier poll, it's just
come out. Did you see the bump up that the
cost of living has taken as being like the most
important thing to people? I think it's thirty five percent
of people say this. Now have you seen that?

Speaker 25 (01:09:26):
Well, I've seen lots of polls, but actually all I
need to do is talk to New Zealanders to understand
that what people want is to feel like they can
get ahead and that at the moment, they continue to
be concerned about the costs they face, and they want
to see rising incomes and they want to see lower
costs than everyday life, which is why we're doing things
like capping rates. That's why we delivered tax relief.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
Cool okay, okay, But I'm getting to something here. Can
you explain to me because I genuinely don't understand why
it is that cost of living is now at a
point where it was two years ago. How has it
come back to twenty twenty fours levels? What's going on?

Speaker 25 (01:10:02):
Well, I think that for a lot of people, they
came out of COVID, had that massive inflation spikes or
prices come back up, and lots of people think of
the cost of living as well as the supermarket bill
going to reduce next week. And actually what we're doing
is we've reduced their rate of increase. But what people

(01:10:23):
aren't seeing is a real reduction in the price of
their groceries, for example, or their rates bill. So it
remains a top of mind concern. Well, look, that's one
poll here. I wouldn't overread one number, but I think
that what you are hearing as people remain focused on
the cost of living.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
Okay, are you up for a ministerial review into what's
happened in Wellington?

Speaker 25 (01:10:43):
Well, we do need to get answers about why that
plant has failed so catastrophically. The local government minister has
a number of tools available to him under the Act.
He is getting advice about whether he needs to use
any of those tools. He hasn't made any decisions at
this point.

Speaker 7 (01:10:59):
Ok.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
In the insurance review that you're doing, would you consider
dropping the capital requirements that insurers have because they reckon
that'll make everything cheaper.

Speaker 25 (01:11:08):
Well, that is one of the issues that we've asked
the Council of Financial Regulators to look at, which is
that the Reserve Bank sets these credential rules, and we
want to ask is that in itself creating a cost pressure.
How much of this is about competition in the industry,
How much of this is about general construction costs, How
much of this is just we're getting more extreme weather events.

(01:11:28):
At the moment, we don't have good enough data to
really know which of those factors as biggest, But that's
why we're doing this study to find out what is
driving the cost and what options do we have for
reducing it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
And so if it comes back and the answer is yep,
you need to drop the capital requirements, it will drop
the price of the insurance for everybody out there. Would
you consider doing it?

Speaker 25 (01:11:48):
I'd consider doing it if I was confident that in
reducing that capital requirement that would actually be passed on
to you, the homeowner buying your home and contents insurance.
Because if what I'm doing is just creating more risk
of an insurer falling over, but your premium isn't going
to drop as a result, I wouldn't have an appetite that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
Now. Have you had a look at all at this
Crown Regional Holdings loan book and the risk of things
going into default here?

Speaker 9 (01:12:16):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:12:16):
I have.

Speaker 12 (01:12:17):
So.

Speaker 25 (01:12:17):
Essentially the report that you're referring to relates primarily to
loans made under the Provincial Growth Fund, and it reflects
the fact that some of those loans are now on
a longer repayment schedule or have they had more concessionary
interest terms applied than at the time the loan was made.
And as we now have a Regional Infrastructure Fund, we're

(01:12:41):
much tighter and clearer about the conditions under which we
give loans change.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
Jones seems to suggest that it's limited to about twenty
five to twenty eight million dollars and the rest is fine.
Do you have a Are you sharing his confidence there?

Speaker 25 (01:12:53):
Well, it is the fact that the PGF right from
the get go, was about giving loans to things that
wouldn't otherwise get at a lower rate than they would
get from the normal system, so that's baked into the
whole design of the thing. He's right to say that
there's a limited number of projects that are really really
struggling or might have to be written off entirely. There's

(01:13:14):
a number of them where they've made adjustments and they're
likely to pay back those lines over time.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
Do you subscribe to the view that Shane Jones has
that if we have regions in New Zealand that are
suffering and people are losing their jobs and businesses are
falling over in the market's not working, that we need
to step in as taxpayers and subsidize these jobs. Are
you into that.

Speaker 25 (01:13:35):
In general? I think you've got to be really careful
about that because the government has a track record over many,
many decades of picking the wrong things and not quite
getting it right, and then it's your money on the line.
So sometimes in a region, yes, extra support needs to
go in to help them transition when they're moving away
from one industry to another. But it's also the case

(01:13:58):
that me deciding who to loan money too, well, I'm
not always the best place to make that decision, and
the same can be seved for everyone in government.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
All right, he Nichola, thank you very much, appreciate it.
Nichola willis Finance Minister Shane Soley's next quarter past.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
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Speaker 4 (01:14:25):
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Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
Heather resonation. We should never be reliant on energy imports
in any capacity, especially in this geopolitical environment. We need
to be one hundred percent self sufficient. Time surprised we
aren't explor exploring natural gas already, Well that's that's running
through truck. Do you know what I was thinking? How
about you know, when you open a new facility, and
particularly a big one like the selling g This is
going to be a big facility, right You normally get

(01:14:49):
a celebrity and yet they open it and then you
have a plaque on the side. It's like even my
supermarket's got it. This supermarket was opened by Nikki Kay
who was the minister. Do you know who we should
get in for the we should get invite for the
opening of the al and g A is Jacinda, don't
you think so that we can go full circle on it. Well, first,
it's good for Jacinda to sort of see like, look
what you did, This is wonderful. Now we're important gas.

(01:15:10):
But also she did talk about a just transition for
Taranaki from the oil and gas bands, so we could
get her in and be like, we have a just transition.
We've got a gas important facility just inday, and we
could put a PLUQ on it and we could just
tell the whole story like one of those little like
modern history lessons that we're doing. Nineteen past six, Shane
Solly Harbor Asset Management with US now high Shane, Hello,
he that So we've got the company profit reporting season

(01:15:32):
for the December period about to start. What should we
be thinking about as investments.

Speaker 26 (01:15:36):
Yees, yeah, good question. So kicks off this Sursday with
Scaler up and then we get really busy next week
twelve ye Zone companies reporting reporting, See it might be
a bit violatile. Is we're reporting on a period that
was quite challenging if you think about the last six months,
last twelve months, So there is a rest there. We
get a little bit of disappointment versus expectations on the
extra results, but forward looking statements that's what markets will

(01:15:57):
focus on. We've seen companies being pretty conservative up until now,
but maybe they start to talk a little bit more optimistically,
particularly some of the companies that are put in major
strategy changes. Gentilers have got better lake flows, we see
recoveries and things like HP retirement tours and technology. So
the tone is a lot better this year than it
was a year ago, but we've still got to get through.

Speaker 16 (01:16:17):
What it was.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
And now on China, I mean you make the point
that its economic growth has continued to slow. In this
some talk that the government may over there change its
growth target. What does that mean for us?

Speaker 6 (01:16:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 26 (01:16:29):
Yeah, Look, so five percent has been the magic number,
and so there's some talk about it may move from
the specific target goes to four and a half to
five rather than five. Really, for US, it's it's less
important about what the number is. It's about what it
is and what it appears. That if Chinese exports are resilient,
then they won't stimulate the domestic economy and they'll get deflation.

(01:16:50):
But if the exports aren't good, then they'll pump the
domestic economy out. So really the peers on what part
of our.

Speaker 12 (01:16:57):
Urine in on economy.

Speaker 26 (01:16:58):
If it's consumption, if it's about pumping up that domestic
we might get more tourism, we might get more demand
for our produce. If it's more of a heavy stuff,
then you know, maybe we get a little few logs out,
but you know, we probably want more consumption.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
Now at the US. On the US rather the share
market was up two percent on Friday night, lead by
that technology stuff. How did the local market react?

Speaker 26 (01:17:20):
Yeah, yeah, So we had an announcement on Thursday from
Amazon and saying they're going to spin twohundred bi and
just a lazy two hundred bion heather on semiconductors and
data centers. And when you combine that with Microsoft and
Meta and Amazon, they're going to spin on alphabet I
should say they're going to spend seven hundred b in
this year. So yeah, it did kick the market up
a bit of a bounce in the takes space. Here
in New Zeale, we're a bit more software Centrome software.

(01:17:43):
It did actually do okay.

Speaker 12 (01:17:44):
Overall.

Speaker 26 (01:17:44):
The zero market flat on the day, but we saw
things like Vista Group up five percent to a dollar ninety,
gin Track up three percent twenty four and for one
point nine percent eleven they owned a lot of data centers,
and Ozzie listed zero up one point three percent, said
eight we're going to be kereful. It's pretty volatile in
that space. That does sugest people are starting to look

(01:18:05):
again good stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
Hey, Shane has always really appreciate talking to you. Look
after yourself for talk next week Shane Solly Harbor Asset Management.
It's six twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics. It's all
on the business hour with Hen the due for SELA
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Speaker 4 (01:18:22):
Your futures in good hands.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
Us talks Envy right Greek four and is going to
be with us and just slightly over ten minutes we
have a chat about whether he is actually, I don't
even know hasn't even gone public yet. I don't even
know if it's going public yet, whether he's got this
big retail job. But anyway, we'll have a chat to
him about it, because that's obviously the purpose of the interview,
so we'll see what we can get out of him. Um,
Heather read the seven out of ten announcement. If I
with the politician selling this, I'd be emphasizing that this

(01:18:45):
investment is insuring against future out of control power increases
that hits everybody, not the dollar a week households that
will save straight away. By the way, wouldn't be a
politician for quids. I don't mean neither pool. None of
us want to have to sell this thing now for
anyone who thinks, who still believes that events are not important,
because you know, we talk about events like state of
Origin on the show from time to time, big events

(01:19:06):
at coldplay, whatever, and you get old, the old person,
the odd person who texting is yeah, why is this
even a big deal? It didn't any matter? Well how
about this? Okay? Look at the figures from WOW in
Wellington last year generated and estimated thirty two point six
million dollars for Wellington, which is the biggest ever economic
boost to the city from Wow. It attracted more than

(01:19:28):
sixty thousand attendees over the two and a half weeks
that it ran, right, so sixty thousand people. More than
half of those people were not in Wellington. They came
into Wellington for it. So that immediately like, that's hospitality, accommodation,
retail that would otherwise not have that money spent on it,
because that money would be spent in I don't know, Auckland,
Hawks Bay, wherever these people live. The visitors accounted for

(01:19:50):
an estimated sixty nine thousand visitor nights, which you can't
you can't sniff at that, right, that has to be reasonable.
So anyway, if you see when when the government finally
gets around to announcing state of origin, think about that.
Think about all the money would bring into Auckland or
New Zealand or whatever that wouldn't otherwise be there.

Speaker 4 (01:20:08):
Six twenty six, there's no business like show business.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
The hugely awaited tense Super Bowls been and gone. Of course,
that means the part that everybody cares about, which is
the halftime show, and I suppose the ads as well.
It had huge political undertones. This year, so much so
that Turning Point USA, which is the organization the late
Charlie Kirk founded, hosted their own halftime show as an
alternative for fans. It started off with a patriotic guitar solo.

(01:20:44):
Kid Rock only performed one song under his stage name,
and then he went back to his government name and
he performed a song as Robert Ritchie.

Speaker 24 (01:20:55):
Over.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
At the official halftime show at Levi Stadium, Bad Bunny
was joined by Lady Gagar and Martin for an almost
entirely Spanish show Kid and then she finished with the

(01:21:16):
nostalgic D T MF I don't know it as Bad
Bunny and his dancers walked out of the stadium with
the big screen showing the only thing stronger than Hater's
love behind them, so that he had it uses next
a greed for him.

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
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Business Hour with Heather dupic Al and Mass Insurance and investments,
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for me.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
Hard to imagine. It's possible that the business could get worse.
This of the Epstein business for Andrew, but apparently it's
got worse, there's now evidence that he passed on confidential
information from his official work as a you trade on
a UK trade en void to Epstein. Basically as soon
as the stuff arrived in his zimbox, within about five
minutes forward all all the stuff to Jeffrey Epstein. So
we'll go to the UK and ten minutes time, just

(01:22:19):
get the latest there. Right now, twenty five away from
seven now, it's being reported that former in New Zealand
boss Greg Foran is about to be appointed as the
new boss of US grocery giant Kroger. Kroger is the
second largest grocer in the world, with more than a
thousand stores nationwide, and Gregor's with us right now.

Speaker 27 (01:22:35):
Greg, Hello, Hi there, how are you healler?

Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
I'm very well, thank you. Is it confirmed yet?

Speaker 27 (01:22:42):
It's getting very close. I'm in the airport about to
get on a plane to get to New York and
then go to Cincinnati. So I think you could assume
that there's some truth behind it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
Oh fantastic, Well, congratulations on this. This feels like I
feel like this is something that you would be well
into because you're into the retail, aren't you.

Speaker 27 (01:23:01):
I am as well into airlines too, and enjoyed that.
I loved being back in New Zealand. And I think
Air New Zealand is a real good business, and so
so I think as Kroger. So you know, I'm really excited.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
What's the challenge with Kroger? Is this a turnaround job
for you?

Speaker 27 (01:23:21):
I think it's probably best to wait until I get
there and do the work on it. But you know,
it's a It's a business does about one hundred and
fifty billion a year. Just over four hundred thousand associates
work there. It's got about three thousand stores, multiple brands,
so it's going to be complex. It's also got thirty
five manufacturing facilities, so I'll help the hands full.

Speaker 8 (01:23:44):
But I'm looking forward to great.

Speaker 3 (01:23:45):
Be honest with me about something like it struck me
that you were a retail guy who got into the
Air New Zealand job and may have come up against
the thing that most it would seem most Air New
Zealand CEOs realized, which is that as a particularly complex job.
Is that is that what you found?

Speaker 27 (01:24:03):
I think probably running any airline as complex, I think
my timing was impeccable. Together to begin sort of day
one with COVID, and then no sooner we got through COVID.
We had a pretty long lockdown, and no sooner we
got through that. We had a pretty quick startup, and
no sooner had we got with that. We've been dealing
with engine challenges. But you know, I think full credit

(01:24:26):
to the entire team, and I look at what they're
doing now and hats off to them. They're dealing with
macro issues, micro issues. They're managing that well. So I
think my timing was intechnable. But can I tell you
I am really pleased I came back and did the gig.
Why because it's made me a better reader.

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:24:47):
I've had to learn some new things. I've had to
deal with some issues that I would never eir have
ever have had to deal with when I was at
Walmart or Willworth, And that puts me in a much
better position, I think, to do a better job.

Speaker 4 (01:25:00):
Kroger.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
Yeah, Well, what doesn't break you does make you stronger.
Right now, now that you're leaving, right, can would you
be prepared to give me a little bit of an
objective view of what you think is going on with
our supermarket situation here, our retail situation and what we
need to actually do and whether there is any hope
of getting a third entrant.

Speaker 27 (01:25:17):
You know, it's an interesting question. I had not spent
a lot of time studying it. What I will tell
you was that the country was five million people, which is,
you know, really smaller than with Sydney these days. It's
pretty hard to think that a large player is going
to come in and create a third supermarket that potentially,

(01:25:40):
in order to work well, would need to get to
about fifteen percent market shared. So it's really to do
with scale more than anything else. And that's just the
reality of New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
Do you think that I'm assuming that you're going to
be relocating obviously to the States to do this job
and take your family with you. Do you think that
there is something that we should be considering as a
nation to keep our brightest young people here and people
like yourselves wanting to come back and raise kids here.

Speaker 27 (01:26:11):
Well, I think every country needs that. I think if
you're in charge of INDIEAU, you'll worry about it. If
you're in charge of the UK. I've just spent some
time in Europe. I know that country is over there,
worry about it. So you know something which makes a difference.
It's the quality of your people, and you want to
hold on to your best and brighters as long as

(01:26:32):
you possibly can, appreciating that sometimes there are going to
be opportunities so to see that people are going to
want to pursue.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
Yeah, do you think that part of the problem here
at the moment with the brain train? And I'm talking
about the younger people rather than yourself, because Jesus is
a job you definitely should go for. But do you
think that part of the problem is the loss of
hope by young people?

Speaker 21 (01:26:51):
Oh?

Speaker 27 (01:26:51):
Look, I'm not close enough to answer that. I've got
too much younger children, and so they're well ensconced in
doing what you're doing, which is improving their education. You know,
I think any country is looking to create a degree
of swagger in what they do, and that doesn't necessarily
mean that you have to be the biggest, but you

(01:27:13):
do want to be able to say that you're the
best at some things, and I think that's important.

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
Yeah, that's a fair point. Now, do you want to
tell me who you're flying or is that just is
that just being a traitor?

Speaker 27 (01:27:23):
No, I'm absolutely I'm on in New Zealand heading to
JFK and one side land there I'll be jumping on
a plane and flying down to Cincinnati where it is
a barney and I checked before minus twelve degrees, So
there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:27:39):
Look after yourself. Greg. It's lovely to chat to you,
and congratulations on the job.

Speaker 27 (01:27:42):
A thank you very much. You have a great time here.
We'll talk so.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
Okay, mate, look after yourself. That's Greg four and former
in New Zealand CEO New Kroger CEO nineteen away from seven.
Ever do the the reason I was asking Greg about
what we could be doing as a country a little
bit better to keep people here is somebody's pointed me
to Verity Johnson's article on stuff, and I do enjoy
a Verity Johnson article The woman. The woman is blessed

(01:28:07):
with the most amazing ability to write. But this one,
how did you describe it? On the text? It's it's
deranged but really hilarious, well well described. Mal So what
it is is that Verity, Verity's got the headline New
Zealand turned into a late middle aged hellscape, and she
sort of she lays bare. I think some things about

(01:28:30):
you know, relationships. You're lying in bed with somebody at
three am, snoring like a chainsaw, and you're wondering, what
the hell, what are we doing together? What's going on here?
And she said, this white tonguey weekend, you know, lays
is a nice little way of getting into this, this
white tannguy weekend. I rolled over and I saw New
Zealand clearly for the first time in a long time,
and I saw what it is. It is decidedly middle aged,
a vanilla lackluster, limp lifeless, bloodless, restless slump of a

(01:28:54):
nation that's snoring through an oncoming crisis like a chainsaw
with sleep apnea. One that' stop planning a cool future
for us. It stopped thinking about our life together. It
stopped caring about anyone under fifty five. For years now,
its attitude has been, yeah, that'll be a problem in
ten years or so, but I won't be around for that,
so I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy being wealthy
and sought. It sucks to be young. It's a late

(01:29:16):
middle aged paradise and absolute hell for anyone under fifty
five who'll statistically still be alive in twenty five years.
We'll still be here when all these decisions, the ones
determinedly not being made will come back to bite us
in the ass like vengeful grease a geese. Now, Now,
the point that veris he is trying to make is
a fair point, which is that we don't plan for
things or fix things that we really ought to fix.

(01:29:37):
But here's my question. When did we start hating New
Zealand as much as we do? What's up with all
the spite and hatred of the place, like you open?
I mean, I feel like it's a theme in Verity's
columns lately, just hating on the place and wanting to leave.
You read other people hating on the place, wanting to leave,
and of course it is actually acting playing out like that.
You got the brain drain going on all But what happened?

(01:29:59):
Why did we start hating this place so much? Is
it because? Is it because we're actually really crap and
uncle like we do, we actually really genuinely suck or
is it just that we're a bit grumpy about what's
got fairly like to be fair absolutely deservedly very grumpy
about what's going on economically, and so we're just kind
of like la like rage writing about it. Is that

(01:30:20):
what's going on? I feel like the hatred for this
place is a cool place. Like I think we're being
a little ungrateful. It's a bit shite at the moment,
absolutely economically, but look, we don't have to eat everything
about it. Sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
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Speaker 4 (01:30:43):
I'd be hither.

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
We're just spoiled as a nation. That's all ask all
the migrants, and there's a lot of actually there's a
lot of a lot of theory coming through on the
text machine. So I'll get to that and I take
thirteen away from seven Mike ps UK correspondence with us
Alo Mike good evening, How things good, Thank you, Derek
and Starmer can survive.

Speaker 4 (01:31:00):
Well.

Speaker 17 (01:31:00):
What we do know is that he's facing the most
challenging week of his leadership so far. There are calls
for his resignation and a possible vote of no confidence.

Speaker 4 (01:31:08):
Now.

Speaker 17 (01:31:08):
At the center of all this, of course, is the
fact that he gave Lord Manderson the job of the
UK ambassador to the United States. That was in spite
of knowing of his dealings with Jeffrey Epstein. Now, in
a big development on this one, Morgan McSweeney, his chief
of staff, has resigned. He's an affect his right hand man.
He says he takes full responsibility for advising the Prime

(01:31:29):
Minister to appoint Mandelson to the job last year, a
decision he says now was wrong. He says it's damaged
the ruling Labor Party, the country and trust in politics.
The story here is, I can tell you explosive. That
also comes as a new poll reveals that Starmer has
the support of fewer than one in five people in
the country. Even some of his own MP's are now
saying it's only a matter of time before he pays

(01:31:51):
the price.

Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
Do you think it's only a matter of time? I
mean is because some are saying this is his last card, right,
there's the last guy standing in front of him. He's
pushed him out to take the bullets. Next person up
as him owner.

Speaker 17 (01:32:03):
Well, of course it's early morning time here and the
front page of every single newspaper bar and I've just
taken a look is like, you know, this is Starmer's
last chance.

Speaker 12 (01:32:11):
Look.

Speaker 17 (01:32:12):
I think the one big issue here potentially is who
would take over who is there talk of Angela rain
to talk of a number of people. I'm not sure
they have the quality and the breadth of people to
do that, would you know. I just have to wait
and see on that one, I think. But I think
that is sort of one of the issues here, the
McSweeney resignation. People are saying is that, you know, so

(01:32:33):
that he can take the hit and Star War will survive.
But even with some of his own MP's potentially we're
voting against him if they're a confidence vote, he could
be on a sticky wicket.

Speaker 3 (01:32:45):
I think, yeah, you might well be right, all right,
what's happened at the Winter Olympics. It's not a good.

Speaker 17 (01:32:49):
Sight, no, And obviously, you know, the sport sort of
you know, takes a lot of the coverage, but you know,
away from the sport, there've been some ugly scenes, I'm afraid,
with police clashing the demonstrations. Police in fact had to
use tear gas and water cannon in Milan to end
the protest. A number of arrests were made. Now it
came as ten thousand people protested overclaims the games with

(01:33:09):
damaging the environment and concerns over the cost of living.
Some even released fireworks and threw stones at the police,
and in another development, an appeal to stop spectators booing
the American athletes has had to be made for a
second time. The appeal was ignored at the opening ceremony.
I think the microphones for the TV and the radio
didn't quite get it, but because they were closer to

(01:33:30):
the action. But apparently it did happen. It's over the
use of ice immigration officers sent over to help protect
those from the US who were taking part.

Speaker 3 (01:33:38):
Now, what does crotch gate?

Speaker 17 (01:33:42):
Look, this is you know, one of those really really
bizarre stories that you ever hear about. I think, look,
we've all heard about sort of doping at Olympics and
drugs and all that sort of thing. Right, we are
told some ski jumpers at the Olympics have been injecting
a serum a type of chemical into their genitals artificially
increase the size. Now the world anti doping agencies investigating

(01:34:05):
what's being dubbed crotchgate by some. It's been done to
enlarge the skin area around the crotch to give ski
jumpers greater lift to glide further in the purscuit of
gold medals. Now rules were tightened after Norwegians were called
adding stitching to the crotch area of their suits during
the World Ski Championships last year. There's also been a

(01:34:26):
row over the design of some helmets used for some sports,
and he claims they breached the rules they're aimed at
giving era dynamic advantages. So obviously that people can go
faster and win those medals, right well.

Speaker 3 (01:34:39):
Life goals, Mike, life goals? Why not? So I can
always I appreciate it, mate, Mike Piers and UK correspondents
definitely don't try that one at home. Tin two, it's the.

Speaker 1 (01:34:50):
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Speaker 3 (01:34:58):
Right here we go here the texts hither Verity's column
is such a cheap shot. The under fifties have no
idea what some boomers did to get them to where
they are, a bunch of spoilt brats here. The people
need to visit other countries to realize how lucky.

Speaker 4 (01:35:09):
We are here.

Speaker 3 (01:35:10):
Musmus I couldn't agree more. Lauruses were bloody lucky to
live in this beautiful country. Here, they could not agree more.
Here the labor destroyed, the society. Country has gone down
the gurgles. Ever since, both my children off to Australia
with top jobs, New Zealanders left here. Then maybe Verity
should roll the other way. Short term fix made, short
term fix. The snoring is quiet if you roll the

(01:35:30):
other way. But it's still there, Isn't it what I
recommend as a top tail m keep you further away
from it? Okay? What about this? Okay, So this is
a piece that's been written about why if you actually
care about the environment, of course you're allowed to still fly.
I mean, life carries on, right, Let's not be like that.
You're allowed to fly, But if you do care about
the environment, you're like climate change, climate change, climate change.

(01:35:51):
You've got to fly economy because a study has been
done in the who's been published in the journal Communications
Earth and Environment, and its cites figures that show business
and first class seats are up to five times more
CO two intensive, as in more emissions per passenger, five
times more intensive than economy class seats. They found that increasing.

(01:36:12):
So basically the best thing to do if you want
to be super careful, like if a New Zealand and
all the other airlines were like, we really care about
the environment. What they would do as they'd strip out
all the business class seats and the premium in economy
and they would jam pack the plane full of economy
class seats and then they'd sell all the seats, right like,
they wouldn't take that plane off until they got all
the seats sold. That way, you'd be burning. You'd be
doing the least amount of damage you possibly could. Increasing

(01:36:35):
passenger numbers to the maximum seating configuration for the most
efficient aircraft, which is the Airbus three fifty and the
Boeing seven eighty seven, would reduce emissions by twenty one
to fifty seven percent, assuming no changes in the load factor.
That's if you are selling it at eighty percent full, right,
that's only eighty percent. For if you then lift the
capacity like occupancy in the plane to ninety five percent,

(01:36:56):
there's a further sixteen percent reduction in emissions. Now you're going,
why are you telling me this, Heather? Why I am
telling you is that next time you see Chloe and
business class on the way to London, you lean over
and you go, you should be an economy girl, just saying.

Speaker 2 (01:37:11):
Ants, I bet if they put more seats on the plane.
Light that as well.

Speaker 18 (01:37:14):
The ticket price would go down a bit as well.
But yeah, I've got a sad one to finish us
off tonight. Unfortunately, the drummer and the lead singer of
Three Doors Down, the American alternative rock band, Brad Arnold,
has unfortunately died. We only found out in May last
year that he was advanced. He was diagnosed with advanced
kidney cancers. So he has died at the age of

(01:37:36):
forty seven. He did died peacefully, surrounded by loved ones,
including his wife Jennifer. Latterly, this was Three Doors Down's
biggest song in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
It wasn't their biggest song elsewhere. But this got to
number ten back in the day and is not kryptonite.

Speaker 18 (01:37:49):
No, it isn't krypton. I only got to number thirteen.
This got to number ten. And you'll remember that Jason
Pine has this this on his like third.

Speaker 2 (01:37:57):
Place last year. So something about this just spoke to
us in New Zealand.

Speaker 18 (01:38:01):
And I don't know why get one here without you.

Speaker 3 (01:38:05):
See I I can't help but feel a bit of
disappointment right now because I thought you were going to
go with Englebert and Hamper Day, Right, have you not
seen the news?

Speaker 2 (01:38:14):
I haven't seen it all.

Speaker 3 (01:38:16):
You haven't because it's not You're not the target audience.
He's coming here later this year.

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
Do you know how much happier?

Speaker 7 (01:38:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:38:24):
What hates happier? Because do you know how old he
is in May?

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
How old is he were humbling turning in May ninety?

Speaker 18 (01:38:32):
Or is it going to be a good show if
he's nine to hard to know?

Speaker 3 (01:38:35):
Hard to know? It's a good question. You asked, all right,
you enjoy you eating, We'll be back with you tomorrow.
And he's still said, big, We're still with me.

Speaker 12 (01:38:47):
It's a girl.

Speaker 1 (01:39:10):
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