Full Show Podcast: 10 April 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only drive show you can try to ask the questions,
get the answers, find a fact and give the analysis.
Heather duplicy Ellen, Drive with One New Zealand and the
power of satellite mobile news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
End be.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Afternoon, Welcome to the show coming up today. Auckland has
just signed the country's first city deal. Slightly underwhelming, some
would say the mayor will be with us after five.
Chris fin Lason, former Attorney General on Enna aik and
the disruptive judge keeping her job and the people who
reckon that they've got a better idea for the government
than that alling.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Terminal Heather duplicy Ellen, What.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
The heck did Milania Trump just do this morning? Out
of the blue morning, at our time, out of the blue?
The First Lady called and then held a press conference
in which he denied any and all claims put against
her related to Jeffrey Epstein. She says she was not
a victim of Jeffrey Epstein. She did not have a
relationship with Jeffrey Epstein or Gilaine Maxwell, not on Jeffrey

(01:00):
Epstein's plane. She was not on Jeffrey Epstein's island. He
did not introduce her to Donald Trump. They met at
the Kitcat Club in New York City in nineteen ninety eight.
The lies linking me with the disgraceful Jeffrey Epstein need
to end today except what lies like. Literally, no one
knows what she's talking about. There has been no development

(01:22):
that we can point to. There has been no new
rumor that's surfaced on social media, no article that's come out,
which makes this possibly the most epic case of making
a situation worse because yesterday, hands up, who was thinking
about Milania Trump and Jeffrey Epstein? Now hands up, who's
all gone and googled Millenia Trump Epstein files? And denying something,

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by the way, doesn't make any conspiracy theories go away.
If that's what she was hoping to do. People are
now dropping podcasts already claiming that she confirmed things in
that press conference that she never confirmed. And now, of
course the speculation has started. And when I talk about speculation,
I mean everything from Reddit to the Guardian in the UK,
everyone speculating on why she did this. The leading theories

(02:02):
so far are number one, that she has wanted to
get this off her chest for months. Number two, that
she's getting ahead of a bad news story that is
about to drop. Number three, that she's getting ahead of
some revelation in the court case that the author Michael
Wolf is bringing against her for her attempts to stop
him writing about herself and Jeffrey Epstein. And finally four,
that she's just messing with her husband because the Epstein

(02:25):
files are politically toxic for him and he had just
managed to get them off the news agenda over the
last six weeks because he was doing all the bombing
in the Iran war. But the minute the wall starts
winding down, what does Milania do? She pops up and
what she's talking about right right? Epstein files again. And
what makes it worse is she doesn't tell Donald that
she's going to do it before she does it. This
has got to be one of the strangest press conferences,

(02:48):
as Donald Trump would say, in the history of the world.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Ever do for see Ellen.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Nineteen is the text number standard text fees apart. We
will go to the White House after five o'clock and
see if we can get into this and just figure
out what the heck has happened here now news locally,
Woolworths is looking at closing down. It's in store butchery
departments across the entire South Island. The supermarket chain is
doing a trial in some stores of stocking only pre

(03:18):
packed meat. Woolworths says it's just too hard to recruit
enough butchers. Rud Hughes is the deputy secretary of Workers
First Union and is with us. Now, Hey, Rudd, Hi,
how are you? I'm very well, thank you. Is it
true there aren't enough butchers?

Speaker 4 (03:32):
Well, what's happened is that the butchers are getting ahead
of the restructuring. They are actually leaving because they can
see the riding on the wall. So although it's only
a trial, many of them feel it's a fader complete
and so they're getting ahead of it and getting out
before they can. And of course they can't attract anyone
new because why would you go to a job where
the possibility is you're going to be restructured out of

(03:54):
a job. That's the real problem.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Okay, So is this why the trial has gone from
two stores to six stores?

Speaker 4 (04:00):
Yes, that's exactly why, because.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
It's kind of it's it's compounding on itself.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
Yeah, that's right, and it's kind of, you know, it's
like a self fulfilling prophecy. They can't you know, they
can't get enough butchers because they you know, because they
don't want to go to a job that they'll be
restructured and and then they can't get enough butchers, so
they're going to restructure them to in order to go
to prepackaged meat.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Okay, so where are these butchers going?

Speaker 4 (04:26):
That's a good question. I mean, some of them will
be going to Australia, There's no doubt about that, some
of them. I mean there's just not enough you know,
room in the market on the in the local butchers
to pick everyone up. And so some of these people
will be going, you know, basically onto the dolt Q,
which is you know, which as we know, is a
you know, almost record high. So you know, that's that's

(04:48):
that's the that's the potential outcome of this.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
Now, why why is this happening?

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Right?

Speaker 3 (04:54):
I mean, if Wilberts is making a decision to get
rid of its butchers, it tells me that not enough
of us are buying their meats that by butchering themselves.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
Well, one of the things about Willist is that they're
constantly undergoing restructures. They had a big restructure last year
and it's called better together. And what's happened there out
of that restructure is is that they have increased the
workload for those people who've remained. I think they've lost
about almost seven hundred people, and a lot of those

(05:26):
people who did stay lost wages. So they've actually been
working on these constant restructures to improve their profitability. But
if you look at somewhere like the warehouse, they've been
doing that as well, and hasn't exactly been a raging success.
You know. One of the arguments that we've made is
that perhaps they need to be looking at what they're
providing for people coming into the shop rather than kind

(05:48):
of aiming for that sector of the market that pack
and say've already really have a hold on. Maybe they
should be looking at things like improving their services, improving
the quality of the food that they've got, that kind
of thing. But that doesn't seem to have registered with
the company. It's it's more a case of cutting cutting numbers.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
This has already happened in the North Island, hasn't it.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
Yes, it has it happened some time ago, okay, And
that's so that's why the South Island butchers are very concerned.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
Okay, So just that I am absolutely clear that what
we're talking about here is you go to the you
go to a Woolli Woolies. You can go to the
like the shelf where all the meat is and stuff.
You can grab yourself a packet of sirloin steak that's
already packaged up and stuff. Are they talking when we
talk about the meat that is now not going to
be there? Is it the stuff and the fancy stuff
in the deli section? Is that what's gone?

Speaker 4 (06:37):
Yes, that's that's correct. And they also used to cut
up the meat and package it for both for the
you know where you just go and pick it up
of that's.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
Probably wasn't that profitable? Like I can't think of course,
my local is a is a Woolies, and sometimes very
occasionally I have to go in another run out of
some sort of meat and I have to go by
it there. I would never go to those guys at
the deli.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
Would you have been to those guys in the deli?
I'm not a big meat hitter, but the fact is
that what we're what we're finding, at least and goodly
is the stuff that is the prepackaged meat in the
North time isn't as good a quality is the stuff
that's being put together by the butchers in the.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Rubbish I wouldn't buy. I'd like, I really hate you
having to buy my meat from Willies. All right, listen, Rud,
thank you, appreciate it. Rud Hughes, who is the deputy
secretary of the Workers First Union, Like, serious question, does
anybody go and buy that? Because the only I mean,
lord just I don't even realize that these people weren't
in my supermarket anymore. But the last time I was
buying anything like that. You know, you'd go and buy

(07:35):
the fancy stuff, wouldn't you. You'd buy like a like
a t bowe or something. I don't know, I don't
even know what you buy. What would you buy? You'd
buy something with already, something like garlic and butter, thing
that's sitting on the top of it. No, you don't buy.
No one buys their meat from that, do they?

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Like?

Speaker 3 (07:49):
If you're going to go and buy your meat, the
proper meat, you're not gonna buy it from the supermarket.
You can go down to your local butchers, aren't you,
so you can actually have proper meat. Anyway? Let me
know if I'm wrong with this nine two nine two
cute we thing has emerged. I was wondering if this
was gonna happen. So I don't know if you're aware
of a vineral Clint at the moment. There is a play.
It actually just opened this week. It opened on Tuesday night.

(08:10):
It's called Helen Clark in Six Outfits, and it's basically
the story of Helen Clark in Government and Jennifer ward Leland, who's,
you know, obviously an amazing actor stage actor in this country.
She sort of plays the latter years of Clark blah
blah blah. Anyway, so it's gonna if Jennifer ward Leland
is involved in it, you know it's gonna be a
brilliant play. Anyway. I was wondering if Auntie Helen would

(08:31):
turn up and have a bit of a crack at
her own plate, and she did. She was there on
She made a surprise appearance on opening night after the play.
She turned up on the stage. So that I think
that's mean, because the reason I'd wandered about it was
I thought, if somebody had done a play about you,
would you rather just not know what crap they're saying
on stage about you or would you like to be
there and sort of watch them? Absolutely, butcher your own

(08:54):
stir story. She went for the latter, which I think
is lovely and brave. Quarter Past.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
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Speaker 3 (09:05):
Z B Hither there have been AI photos of Milania
and Epstein on social media year but Nick, that's for ages.
There have been AI photos for have you seen the
one where someone's grabbing the boot? Oh, there's been AI
photos for a very long time. So why now that's
the weird thing. Eighteen past four good sport with generate
celebrating great performances in sport and key we Saver, Acgainst,

(09:29):
Jason Pine Weekend Sport hosters with us Allo Piney Helloa, Okay, listen,
talk to me about sport on the cyclone.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (09:35):
So Supercars is the one I think we've all been
waiting for, and they've made some changes to the program
on Sunday because that is obviously when the weather is
forecast to be at its worst. So what they've done
for tomorrow's racing in top or for the Super four
forty is they've brought all of the sessions tomorrow forward
by half an hour, and they've replaced the second one

(09:56):
hundred and twenty kilometer race tomorrow with Sunday's two one
hundred kilometer race. So the long race, which would normally
be the climax on the Sunday, has been brought forward
to tomorrow. There will be a race on Sunday, but
it will start at the much earlier time of nine
forty five nine forty five on Sunday. So ordinarily we

(10:18):
would have had racing on Sunday afternoon. The weather forecast
is looking likely to prevent any any possibility of that,
so they've brought everything forward. We haven't lost much apart
from one top ten shootout race out of the weekend's program.
It's just all been squeezed together.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
I'm kind of baffled by that decision because isn't I mean,
isn't the worst of the weather actually happening overnight Saturday
into early Sunday.

Speaker 5 (10:41):
I guess they've got access to data that we don't have.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
You right again, met service app on their phones.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
No, I think they probably they probably do look topor
but further down the island, as I mean, you'll have
the most up to day in information, will the worst
of the weather have got to top or by eleven o'clock,
which is the supposed to all wrap up on Sunday.
Hopefully not is what they'll be thinking. They're just trying
to get it all done, get it all out and
then batten down the hatches. I guess for what is

(11:09):
to follow, perhaps later on Sunday afternoon.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Good for them, I suppose listen the Warriors fill me
with some confidence, please Piney.

Speaker 5 (11:18):
Well all streaks have to come to an end at
some stage. Wellington Phoenix, for example, hadn't won in Melbourne
for nine years before last Sunday and they went and
did it. So why can't the Warriors break their own
equally long, if not longer streak of winning away against
the Melbourne Storm tomorrow nights. They've lost their last two games,
so they don't come in with any sense of momentum necessarily.

(11:40):
But as I say, the NRL, if anything this year,
we've learned that strange things happened. Penrith had won five
from five and they lost last night to the Canterbury
Bulldogs who had been pretty ordinary. So there's a little
bit of a glimmer of hope for you. Anything can
happen in the NRL.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
I suppose that's true. I love that. Do you know what?
I think that we have to just have this approach
every single week with the Warriors and be like anything
can happen, Nate, anything can happen. Hey, are you going
to tune in for the netball this weekend?

Speaker 6 (12:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (12:07):
I am, Yeah, I am. I mean I sort of
watched most sport that my team, the Pulse playing at
a difficult time for me because it's the same time
I'm doing an Auckland FC commentary, but I will be
tuning in to see what it looks like. And it's
on free to wear of course, so TV time, I guess, yeah,
I guess a lot more people than ordinarily we'll be
tuning into have a lot.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Yeah, all right, thank you Piney appreciate it. Jason Pine
weekend sport host TV two. When was the last time
you said TV two out loud? Feels like something from
the nineties. Anyway, TV two is where the netball will
be and we'll talk about the netball laders. We've got
the sports title with us obviously later on FIFA. By
the way, if you were thinking about go, I mean,
who's thinking about going to the bloody Football World Cup
at these prices, But if you were, FIFA's just added

(12:50):
even more expensive tickets for the World Cup. So they
are now charging seven thousand dollars for the best seats
for the opening match of the US versus Paraguay, if
you want to be precise about its seven thousand and
nineteen dollars, and then some spare change. Last week they
released what we thought was the top price that was
about four thy seven hundred dollars, but those were Category

(13:10):
one tickets. Now they added the new front category one
pricing tickets and it's a lot more. It's a lot
lot more. They love to make a dollar a four
twenty two.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duplic Ellen
drive with one New Zealand coverage.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Like no one else news talks. They'd be the.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
Judge who apparently disrupted Winston Peter's speech is going to
keep her job, which is to be fair is probably
the right outcome. So this is Judge Emma Aik and
she went before the Conduct Panel. The Conduct Panel has
released its findings today said it was a serious breach
of Committee Comittye is the thing where you know, various
branches of government, like judicial branch of the judges and
then the executive you know, and the parliaments. They all

(13:52):
need to be respectful towards each other and sort of
not stray out of their lanes and get involved. So
her obviously going into the room and sort of saying
that Donald Trump's I'm Trump, Lord Winston Peters as not
telling the truth, is very much straying out of her lane.
Her conduct fell short of the high threshold for mispay
of misbehavior necessary to warrant consideration of her removal. She
will remain in acting District Court judge until her warrant

(14:14):
expires in February twenty twenty seven, and Chrispin Layson, former
Attorney General, will be with us after five o'clock just
to give us has taken whether he thinks it is fair.
It's for twenty six now. Millennia. Speech which I started
the show with was six minutes long. He's just a
little bit of it.

Speaker 7 (14:29):
I never be in friends with Abstein. Numerous fake images
and statements about Epstein and me have been calculating on
social media and entities looking to cause damage to my
good name to gain financially and climb politically. Must stop.

(14:51):
I met my husband by chance at the New York
City party. This initial encounter with my husband is darkerman
entered in a detail in my book Millennia.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yes, in case you forgot, she has a book Milania.
And then after that she turns on her stiletto heels
and she storms off. Anyway, after this, right after listening
to this, we went down a rabbit hole because it
reminded of us of all of the best bits of Milania,
and so we dug a little bit up for here's
here's just a couple. Do you remember when she told
a little kid what she wants for Christmas?

Speaker 8 (15:23):
Why did you ask it for Christmas?

Speaker 7 (15:26):
Oh, that's a nice one. I asked Santa for Christmas,
peace on the world.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
How she meant peace on the world. She did not
mean to urinate on the world anyway. Then there was
the time that her phone called to an ex advisor
came out, which revealed how she really actually does feel
about Christmas hill, which is probably that she does want
to piss on the world.

Speaker 9 (15:50):
Okay, I put.

Speaker 7 (15:51):
I'm working like a asthma. I know Christmas stuff that
you know, who gives her about Christmas stuff and the creation.
But I'm working like a what ass what anyway?

Speaker 3 (16:04):
I just got you know, I I love her. I
absolutely love Melania. She is just a villain in the
White House, isn't she? Anyway? News this next and we're
gonna go to the Dan Mitchinson shortly Woman Summer.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
The day's newsmakers talk to Heather first.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Heather dupers Ellen drive with one New Zealand and the
power of satellite mobile news talks.

Speaker 10 (16:36):
It'd be yeah, na.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Very so, just going to be a US and ten
minutes so, I'm just from an email from New World.
How can I summarize this for you? It goes like this, Hi, Heather,
was just listening to your show and you were talking
about the butchers at Countdown. I just want you to
know that we're doing the opposite the New World. We
got hates of butchers and then they go through their list.
Do you want me to run through the numbers or
do you just want to trust it? You know, we'll

(17:07):
just here we go. Why don't I just give you
the numbers across food Stuff's North Island, we currently have
three hundred and twenty five qualified butchers, one hundred and
seventy seven the New World stores and one hundred and
forty eight in the Pack and Safe stores, alongside one
hundred and sixty five apprentice butchers and trainer in training
food Stuff South Island two hundred and twenty eight qualified
butchers in total, one hundred and fifty one based in
the New World stores seventy seven and the Pack and

(17:28):
Save stores, fifty five apprentice butchers and training fourteen set
to complete their qualifications this year. Somebody actually text me
earlier and said it was Dwayne, I think, said you
got to go to the New World because actually they
do wonderful stuff. And I, look, I'm not gonna lie
to you. I would go to the New World. But
my new Wild burnt down. Do you remember that? You
may remember it because I kept on winging about how

(17:49):
I don't have a pineapple slicer anymore, because hey man,
I live in pond serb bougie as we had at
pineapple slicer. Anyway, they'll rebuild it and then I'll go
to the butchers there, maybe twenty three away from five.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
It's the world wires on news talks, it'll be drive.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Donald Trump has accused Iron of violating the ceasefire by
keeping the Strait of Hormu's closed. A shipping experts there's
only a trickle of ships have been able to get
through the strait since the seasfire came into force.

Speaker 6 (18:14):
The trick or less consisting of those that are perfectly
originally aligned with those who control the Strait of Hormos
at the moment, and apart from that, the restrictions are
such that it prevents the owners, insures, financiers, et cetera
from being able to put ships through.

Speaker 11 (18:29):
The risks search are simply too high.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Benjaminetnya who has asked his cabinet to open direct peace
talks with the government of Lebanon. Al Jazeera reporter A
reporter Heidi pet Is in Beirut and she reckons the
Lebanese president wants something from Israel before talks can even begin.

Speaker 12 (18:44):
Josepha Urn earlier today, saying that the talks could not
begin until there was a ceasefire here in Lebanon, and
he's stressed that that ceasefire needed to happen immediately.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
And finally, you hit that guy.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
You shouldn't have been standing there.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
I mean, if you play golf, you know it can
be a dangerous sport, turns out even for the spectators
at the Masters. Today, Bryson de Chambeau managed to whack
his t shot right into the leg of one of
the people standing around the green. Thankfully, the patron was uninjured.
God only knows how. Bryson gave him a golf ball
as a form of apology, and it was actually quite

(19:20):
a good development for Bryson because the bull was going
to go very far left before it bounced off the
man's leg and back onto the green.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Jan Mittenson, US correspondents with US Hello Dan, Hello Heather. Right,
Why is truth Social turning on the President?

Speaker 13 (19:39):
Well, I think you know, they're devoted fans to President Trump.
I mean they're ardent supporters. And the New York Times
had this interesting piece and thousands of these users right
now are just pushing back because they feel betrayed by
the war in Iran, and they don't like the language
that President Trump used when he sent out a truth

(20:00):
Social post on Easter demands for the Iranian government. And
I don't think the President hither can afford to lose
these supporters now as he campaigns for the mid terms.
I mean, obviously he is the head of the Republican
Party right now. There isn't really a runner up. I
mean JD. Vance is expected to run, but I mean
he is sort of the figurehead, isn't he of the

(20:22):
Republican Party right now? So I think he's got to
be treading very careful with some of these devoted fans.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
So how much trouble do you think he's in at
the mid toombs, like, right has chances for me?

Speaker 13 (20:35):
Well, I mean, he's going to be going around campaigning
for Republicans right now, and I think most people are
going to, you know, to want to have him stand
by their side right now and endorse him. But I
think there are others that are going to be maybe
looking ahead to you know, the next two or three
years in the next election and say, well, it'd be
nice if we got his endorsement. But at the same time,

(20:56):
I want to keep a distance from him. I mean,
and just to or circle back that, you know, Truth
Socials bases is minuscule. They've got like six million users
compared to five hundred and fifty or five hundred and
sixty on x whatever they have right now. But we
have to remember social media is the megaphone for President
Trump and that's where he gets his message out with
his supporters and with you know, the voters in general.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Explains to me what it is that the Five Fight
is are doing? Is it Are they using sound?

Speaker 13 (21:24):
This is so amazing. Yes, they're using sound waves instead
of water or chemicals. That it's a company called Sonic
Firetech and they're based out on the West Coast here
and it was developed and founded by former NASA engineers.
And what it does is it uses these infrared sensors
and it can detect flames in your business or your
home or out in the open, and then it deploys

(21:46):
these sort of infrared waves low frequency sound. You couldn't
hear the sound waves. I couldn't hear them. But what
they do is they vibrate all the oxygen molecules and
they break the chemical reaction that allows the fire to burn.
So this can stop firing in just a matter of
seconds and then you don't have to worry about water
damage or chemical residue too. So I mean out here

(22:07):
in California where we have awful fires every single year
and fire season is year round basically right now. I mean,
this would be such a huge breakthrough to have, wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
It be amazing?

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Guy?

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Now, what are the young people putting in their anxiety bags?
Their anxiety emergency bags.

Speaker 13 (22:21):
I don't know why. When I was looking at this story,
I thought that you might be a little cynical about it.
But you know, anxiety is a big thing with a
lot of people these days, especially gen z ers twelve
to twenty six years old. And what they're doing is
they're starting to carry around these bags to help with
this worry and restlessness. And they have lavender oils or

(22:41):
maybe sour candies because the sharp flavor can kind of
take your attention away from.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Sleep in the fist, doesn't it? It does?

Speaker 13 (22:50):
It does? And ice, ice packs and gun stuffed animals
and doctors say that this is like having your own
little superhero box. It's about using your fire. I have senses,
and it has to bring you back to the present,
to the moment, versus just living inside your head, which
you know a lot of us do a lot of
the times.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
How many of these young people are carrying these bags.

Speaker 13 (23:12):
I don't know percentage wise. I thought the strangest thing
that I saw in one of these bags was a
pineapple slicer. But that's for somebody that lives over in
your neck of the words.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
I think I am cynical about this, Dan, I am
very so. I mean, I have a lot of time
for if you've got a proper anxiety, like if you're
properly like super anxious, if it's a really really intense
problem that you're dealing with, I'm on board. You carry
your little gummies around and you do what you need
to do. But if it's just your average run of
the mill person with a mild case of anxiety, give

(23:42):
you just give yourself a good slap in the face.
I think, Dan, thank you very much, appreciate it. Dannchens
and US correspondent seventeen away from.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Five, Heather dops L speaking of.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
Which, and I actually mean to talk to you about
this some weeks ago, but it's become relevant again because
we're going to get the storm right. So you should
probably think about getting an emergency bag at your house,
especially if you live in a place like the Coramandel.
And the reason I had to get one because because
it's a really, really really long story, but it's when
you've got little kids, and then there's all kinds of

(24:13):
like blah blah blah whatever. I have to comply with
some ec stuff at home, and so as a result
of that, and I get audited. So as a result
of they got to have a first proper first aid
kit and got to have an emergency evacuation bag, and
you know, you can get a list of these. I thought,
I just cannot be faft making an emergency bag. I
cannot be fat to try to source all the stuff
and getting it sent to me and putting the thing together.

(24:34):
So I just bought one. And actually I was going
to tell you whether it was any good. It was
one hundred and fifty bucks from discount office. It was
actually quite good. So it comes in a little like
a waterproof backpack thing that you can chuck on your
back if you need to, and bright bloody yellow, so
you're gonna find it if the lights are out, and
inside it's got all the things you need. It's got
the you know, pocket knife, it's got some gloves. You

(24:57):
probably want to chuck them. And I'm not even joking.
You probably want to chuck some black rubbish bags and
there for the dead bodies that you may well have
to deal with and maybe get yourself a spade to
dig the holes, because you've got to have that stuff.
But the thing that you really need, which I've got
now in my little baggy, is one of those little
FM radios that you whind by your hand, you know,
so you don't need batteries. Just wind up and then

(25:19):
you can hear me talking to you and I'll be going, hey,
you know this is what your water tank is over here,
blah blah blah. Anyway, So I was the reason I've
brought this up is because we've got the big storm coming.
Everyone's flipping out about the storm. So now's the time
to be thinking about getting an emergency bag. If you
need an emergency bag, and actually the ones that they
put together for you not bad value, I would say,
based on sample of one over here sixteen away from.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
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Speaker 3 (25:46):
We have another potential closure in the country. Tallies is
now considering closing its Westport fish processing factory. It started
consulting with staff thirteen Away from five. Barry Soper, Senior
political Correspondence.

Speaker 14 (25:56):
With US at Barry good afternoon, Heather, So, Auckland.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Signed the country his first city deal.

Speaker 14 (26:01):
And you are treating it with some cynicism.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Ode I think it's underwhelming.

Speaker 14 (26:05):
What do you think, Well, you'll remember will certainly be
aware of that. Mayor Wayne Brown has moaned about central
government ever since he took office the election before last
in Auckland, and you said that he was sick of
being surprised by things that central government come up with

(26:26):
and expect the council here to carry out well. And
in fact he's got some fans of this deal. If
you look at the Infrastructure New Zealand Chief Executive Nick Leggett,
he's welcoming the announcement. He says that a better relationship
is needed between local and central government. He said, for

(26:48):
too long they've been yards apart and we've seen many
examples of that around the country. And the point that
Legitt makes is that what we should be doing now
was looking at other councils coming to similar cooperative cooperation
deals on a need to know basis with the government
and I think that's probably fair enough. Standing alongside the

(27:11):
Prime Minister in Auckland today was Mayor Wayne Brown. He
explained the rationale behind today's deal.

Speaker 8 (27:18):
I think it must have been doing its best. But
Wellington's not good at I'm putting together big projects because
there's not a lot of engineers in Parliament. I'm concentrating
on making the best out of what we've got. And
there was I went to an infrastructure New Zealand conference
and they had up there saying world class infrastructure and said, well,
that's a.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Lot of rubbish.

Speaker 8 (27:36):
We don't even have a world class rugby team anymore.
We want affordable infrastructure suitable for a small country. One
of the things that's important about this deal we signed
today is we didn't ask for any money. It's not
about money. It's about mutual respect. It's about no more
stuff arriving unannounced and unwanted. This is a practical city,

(27:56):
Wellington's policy city, and that's not bad. That's what it's
there to do. But we have to bring policy and
practicality together and that's been missing. And that's been possibly
because they haven't listened to us. And I'm hard to ignore.

Speaker 14 (28:09):
So there you go.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
And I think we're going to guess that is Nicola
Willis's cheerleader. Okay, I think it's rubbish. I'm going to
come back to that in just to take but I
won't waste your time.

Speaker 14 (28:23):
Well, let's hope that this expedites a few more decisions
that are made at the country's biggest city where elections
are won and lost.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
To the court make the right ruling. Do you think
in the m aking case.

Speaker 14 (28:34):
Probably, in the circumstances, I don't think it was good
behavior for a judge to act in the way she did.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
Probably not lose your job behavior.

Speaker 14 (28:44):
No, you know there was obviously drink involved, no doubt
about that. And you know the poor man that worked
at the Northern Club being dressed down.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
But that wasn't by her.

Speaker 5 (28:56):
What was by her, It was.

Speaker 14 (28:57):
By but yo bos around her. That should better making
trouble at the Northern Class.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Again, she shouldn't be held accountable for the pompous one.

Speaker 14 (29:05):
Well no, no, no, but it's not just the pompous one.
It's a judge in her position should not be saying
that a speaker at another function that's talking absolutely rubbish.
If she wanted to make that claim, she should either
go to the ballot box or go and sit in
on the meeting as a card carying member of the
party and that's what she's not about to do obviously

(29:27):
with New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
First, do you think I see Shane Shane Curry's written
this morning that Rachel Smally is the right choice we
all rather has been hired by Chris Luxen for media help.
Is this the right choice?

Speaker 14 (29:37):
Well, I think it's the right choice in that the
government and it's not just the National Party, but the
government should have an advisor in Auckland because, as I
said earlier, this is where elections are lost.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
In one we had Mary Lamby.

Speaker 14 (29:53):
Yeah, well they've had many more before her, and like
David Longey I think started the the process. He had
a former Herald journalist, Russell Hill, that was his representative. Well.
In terms of communication in Auckland, Rachel Smally of course
started on news Talk Z be her career and did

(30:15):
the early morning show between two thousand and what was
it seven, it was up to twenty seventeen, so you know,
she's used to dealing with politicians and what have you.
And there are a lot of Auckland ministers, cabinet ministers
that would benefit from somebody in this city in terms

(30:38):
of communication, and you know, I think I think it's
actually quite a sensible appointment for any government to have
somebody in the city.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Okay, Verry, thank you very much, we'll rap the place.
You don't believe me, I totally disagree. Well, I disagree
with you, not for the reasons that you've said. But
let me give you a clue. You're going to hire
somebody to represent or views to you. Don't hire Grayland
higher west Auckland.

Speaker 14 (31:04):
You mean left and right?

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Quite and I'm going to get back. I'll deal with
that later on. Look, I'll deal with it in the
six o'clock hour. Sometimes I'm jaius. I want to write
or blo Erry not Barry Soper, senior political correspondent, will
wrap the political week that was with him at quarter
past six right now, seven away from.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Five, the headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic
asking breakfast.

Speaker 15 (31:23):
To men's side into how if it fury plays out.
John Bolton he's seen it all for the United States
Ambassador to the United Nations of course, security advisor to
every Republican administration since Reagan, including Donald Trump.

Speaker 13 (31:34):
John Bolton is with us.

Speaker 16 (31:36):
I don't think there's really much desperation on the Iranian side.
There a rather primitive view of the world is they
win if they survived. But I don't think they feel
the pressure. I think Trump's the one who feels the pressure.
I think he looks at oil price is going up
and equity markets going down, and he wants out. And
I think the Iranian senses that, and I think it
leaves Trump and the US therefore in a more vulnerable position.

Speaker 15 (31:58):
Back Monday from six am the mic Asking Breakfast with
Rain Drivers fort SV Newstalk zb Shais.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Here there's a medical specialist. If I got piston, let
loose its some politician, the Medical Council would strike me
off at such a double standard in this country between professions. Well,
I think most of us though, in most professions, if
we got a bit piston and sort of ran our
mouth off at an event, would probably not lose our
jobs about it. Medical Council seems a bit rough actually
in that sense. Now, this is why I'm I'm just

(32:26):
going to ring you really quickly through why I don't
think that the city deal is really why I think
it's really underwhelming, right it basically there's nothing in it.
It's just there's no specific projects. It's just a list
of things that they're going to work together on between
central and local government and things that are undevelopment, under
development of things that are being planned. That's not a deal.
That's just basically a brainstorming session. Isn't it all like

(32:46):
we'll play nice with each other session? If you can
have a night, just send each other an email be like, hey,
I'm not going to interfere with each other again. Cool. Okay,
you don't have to have a signing ceremony for it.
Here as an example, establishing a long term partnership between
government and Auckland Council including regular meetings between the Prime Minister,
ministers and mayor. Cool. That should be happening anyway. You

(33:06):
don't have to sign a deal to make the meetings happen.
Just have the meetings anyway. Wayne Brown is going to
be with us after five o'clock because he's fair fissing
for it. We're also going to tat to chrisphin Layson,
who is the former Attorney General on whether he thinks
that Emma a Can got off lightly or whether it
is actually the right outcome. All of that after five
o'clock news talks, he'd be here.

Speaker 17 (33:28):
It's to me to me, to me.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Pressing the news meeker is to get the real story.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
It's Heather duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand to
coverage like no one else.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
News talks heavy.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
But afternoon the country's first city dealer has been signed.
Auckland Council and the government have agreed to work together
on major events and transport links, but there is no
mention of the bad tax that Auckland wants, and the
mayor of Auckland Way Brown is with us now highwaying Hello,
what do you reckon? Is the biggest win here?

Speaker 8 (34:28):
I think just the fact that we now have to
be treated as kind of like as an even sized partner,
and it'll be an into sort of unexpected bits of
legislation which don't work that we haven't been told about,
or it'll be an into unfunded mandates that we haven't
been told about. You know, they'll just have to talk

(34:51):
to us before they bomb us. In itself, we only
aim for a change, and it wasn't about money. It's
about having mutual respect. And I think you know they
no longer will buildings full of Willington bureaucrats just dream
up shit and bomb and drop it on Auckland.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
What would you say to someone like me who looks
at it and says, this is underwhelming because it is
full of you know, going to work on this, going
to develop this, but nothing has actually been nailed down
as this is going to happen, we have agreed to it.

Speaker 8 (35:27):
Well, some of my counts of things a bit underwhelming,
But I think the fact that they've now got to
talk to each other is impact. That's the That's the thing,
like we right in the middle of that. They just
suddenly bombed us with them. But be with a race cap,
which is a really silly, simplistic grabbing nonsense. They won't

(35:50):
be able to do that sort of stuff anymore.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
Well, that's going to happen is next time they cock
up some idea like that, they're just going to inform
you by the way this is coming. That will be.
That will be the extent of the conversation. They're going
to do it anyway.

Speaker 8 (36:03):
Let's see whether that works or not. I don't think
that's what they're going to do, but I mean, who knows.
But it would be unwise for that, particularly in the
next six months.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
Well yeah, perhaps so Hey, listen, why no big tax?
Why will they not be moved on that.

Speaker 8 (36:20):
Oh that's Seymour apparently, and it's not a tax anyhore,
don't call it. I mean it's the people who are
going to collect that are the ones who own the hotels,
and they want it because when there's a bigger vent
on and you have to pay money to get bigger
vents on, they double the price of the rooms. So

(36:43):
it's got nothing to.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Do with you.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
I understand how it works and I fully support it.

Speaker 8 (36:48):
You have to explain it slowly because we have mister
Seymour has simplistic nonsense saying no more taxes.

Speaker 14 (36:54):
It's not a tax.

Speaker 8 (36:57):
If it was a tax, what about the levy for
that you can't escape unless you don't have any electricity
to pay for an LPG terminal.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Yeah, no, I totally agree with you. Double standards. Listen,
the cyclone or the x tropical cyclone that's bearing down
on us. How seriously do we need to be worried
about this?

Speaker 8 (37:18):
Well, I'm a mayor, not a weather forecaster.

Speaker 11 (37:23):
You'll have it, but you'd have to take it seriously.

Speaker 8 (37:25):
There's no ways about it. And when we've learning that
we're getting more and more of this, I mean I've
got some of my buildings got badly flooded and kai
tylast a week ago because in fact, we didn't have
sufficient warning. This time, we've got lots of warning and
we hope that people take note of it.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Okay, well, here's hoping Wayne. Thank you was always appreciated.
Hope your weeken goes well. It's Wayne Brown, mayor of Auckland.
Sounded decisively bummed out at the start of that interview,
didn't he eleven past.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Five, Heather Duplessy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
The Judicial Conduct Panel has ruled that the woman the
judge accused of disrupting Winston Peter's event can keep her job.
Judge Emma Aiken. Her actions were a serious breach of comedy,
but this incident doesn't justify her removal. Lawyer and former
Attorney General Chrispin Lason is here to talk abous through
this and is with us.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Hello, Chris, how are you?

Speaker 4 (38:12):
Heather.

Speaker 9 (38:12):
I'll try and be less grumpy than Wayne.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Oh, thank you. I appreciate that I'm having a day
of it right. Decision by the court.

Speaker 9 (38:20):
Yeah, well it's a meticulous decision. Sam, your offsider got
me to read it a couple of hours ago. It's
a very strong panel, and they have gone through the
issue very carefully. I mean, as they say, misbehavior is
a very high threshold. So you've got to show that
the behavior was such that it was so contrary to

(38:44):
the impartiality of the judiciary that the confidence of individuals
appearing before the judge would be undermine. So no, I
think that it's very careful, very deliberative. As you said
in your introduction, there's a reference to her behavior constituting
a lack of comity, but it was not such as

(39:06):
to justify a reference to the attorney that she be removed.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
What would warrant her removal? What kind of behavior would
get to that threshold.

Speaker 9 (39:17):
Well, it's a very good question. I would think if
a judge, for example, went along to a political party
gathering and was making comments about the chief Justice and
the place needs jolly good shake up, as there was

(39:38):
a reference to a case from North America, or a
judge came into court wearing a maga hat. You know,
start thinking things like that that it's so unbelievably outrageous,
it goes beyond the pale. Here. There was room for
some debate, and the panel decided that her behavior was

(40:02):
lacking in comitty and I'll come to that in a minute,
but didn't justify a removal. The whole point about committy
is it as between the various branches of government, you've
got to show respect and restraint because they are equal
branches of government. The judges are not higher or more
pure than the parliamentarians, and likewise the executive has to

(40:26):
show respect to the judiciary and vice versa.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah, chris as always appreciate having you on the show.
Go well look after yourself. That's Chrispin Layson, lawyer and
a former Attorney general of course thirteen past five together
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the patch on the belly right. That happens twice a
week and then the pop the pills for two weeks
and the pills of them at night. Speaking from absolute
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to at night for two weeks helps them to sleep beautifully.
So you don't want them to run out of the

(41:10):
progesterone pills, do you, because then they stop sleeping and
then they get cranky. Anyway, the pharmacists at the moment
may just be giving out a few at the time,
so normally they give a box at the moment. What
there's one tale of somebody just getting eight of these
pills at a time, which is just eight days worth
or four days worth or whatever. Multiple shipments are arriving
in country between now and mid May, but it will

(41:31):
take a bit of time for the stock to reach
the pharmacies around the country, so they meet just maybe
just a few shortages as we work our way through this.
But brace yourself for some grumpy ladies around the place.
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satellite ever. Dullen write eighteen past five to Milania Trump's
bizarre press conference at the White House this morning.

Speaker 7 (42:45):
The lies linking me with the disgrace for Jeffrey Epstein
need to end today. To be clear, I never had
a relationship with Apstein. Apstein did not introduce me Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Bowie Erickson is the Royces White House press correspondent. High
bow Hello there what brought this on.

Speaker 10 (43:09):
So I was in the room with the First Lady
for the surprise statement, and the timing is still very
unclear about why she chose today. I was told behind
the scenes that she's been wanting to talk about Epstein
and kind of try to refute some of the online
claims and allegations about her for some time. But it's
still very unclear about why today. But I will not

(43:29):
being in the room. She was standing in the main
state floor of the White House in between two American
flags underneath a huge presidential seal. This is where presidents
usually give big speeches, like about war and policy, so
there's a lot of gravitas here. So kind of like
underscored how important this was for the First Lady.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
So can we discount the fact that the I guess
the conjicture that she might have been doing this to
get a hit of a story that's about to break.
That's not true.

Speaker 10 (44:00):
We don't know about that right now. There is a
lot of speculation about that online, and of course someone
could be working on something. But in the speech, she
really kind of went after kind of some of the
biggest claims about her in these last you know, six
months and was kind of noting that some of the
biggest allegations some reporter slash content creators have had to

(44:25):
kind of walk those back and even sometimes apologize.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Donald Trump know anything about this hip, enw.

Speaker 10 (44:31):
That is another big question. I was told that the
First Lady's team let the West Wing know. It's hard
to imagine that he did not know that his wife
was going to give this blockbuster statement, you know, just
a few yards down the West Wing Colonnade from where
he was at the time. It could be that, you know,
he didn't know everything she was saying. But this is

(44:54):
definitely a topic that the President does not want to
be talking about. But in this I also think what
kind of been undercovered here is that by bringing these
up and trying to take on these issues head on,
she is in essence defending herself and the President from
some of these, you know, allegations about their relationship with Epstein.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
Is there is it possibility that she's missing with him
because he has just managed in the last six weeks,
with Iran dominating the news, he's managed to get rid
of the Epstein files off the news, which will become
kind of difficult for him to negotiate the moment that
we get into a space where the Iran wills winding down.
Up we go again, and we're talking about Epstein because
of a.

Speaker 10 (45:36):
I think what this reveals is that this is an
important issue for her. I don't know about the timing,
and I don't know if she was messing with the
president to use your words, but in doing this today
you could hear the emotion in her voice. She used
this kind of stern, straightforward approach. So obviously this has

(45:59):
been bugging her, and the way that she did it
is very exceptional when it comes to contemporary first ladiers
who don't really lean into controversies.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
All right, both, thank you as always APPRECIATEDS. Bo Erics
and Reutter's US Politics correspondent twenty two past five.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
The name you trust to get the answers you need,
it's Heather Dupercy Ellen drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else news talk.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
There'd be you're going to deal.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
With the L and G terminal rubbish idea, But we'll
deal with that after six o'clock and I'll get you
the details shortly. Right now, it is coming up twenty
five past five. Now hands up. Who knew that the
A and Z Premiership starts tomorrow. This is the Netbule.
I'm gonna bet not a lot of hands went up,
which is a worry because I guess it's forgivable given
the state of Netbull's head office at the moment. It

(46:46):
doesn't have a permanent CEO, the chair and a bunch
of board members have resigned just recently, so you can
forgive them for being a bit too much of a
hot mess there to really be able to get the
communications strategy working properly. But it's also not forgivable because
this is a really pivotal season for netbles. This season
has to work. It's not gonna work, but it has
to at least have the best chance of working because
professional netball in this country is fighting for its life.

(47:08):
It has no broadcast deal this year. Sky pulled the
deal at the end of last year, so Netbles now
had to pay someone being TV and Z, just so
TV and Z will put it on TV two, which
means there's no money coming in from Sky, which means
the players have had to take a twenty percent pay cut,
and that's the players who are left playing in the competition.
Nine Silver Ferns have already gone over to the Aussie
competition where they earn double what they earn here, and

(47:30):
that will continue to happen unless the local competition can
start earning money again to pay them properly. So you
can see how important it is that this season starts
to get things going in the right direction. I feel
like the netball bosses are pinning all their hopes on
free to air TV being the game changer. Unlike before,
when you have to pay to watch the netball, now
you can watch the netball for free. You just go

(47:50):
to TV two. So you might start loving it again.
You might start watching it again, you might start coming
out to the matches and before you know it, hate
Netble's got another deal from Sky TV. But will you
watch it again? Will you love it again? When nine
of the silver Ferns are already out of the competition,
meaning it's just not as good as it was last
year when you already didn't watch it, Probably not, I
would say. And the fact that you and I didn't

(48:11):
even know that this thing was about to start is
probably not a good omen.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Heather du let see Ellen.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Heather, was Wayne Brown asleep and did you just wake
him up. Then the Mayyor of Auckland Way Brown is
with us now high WAYN Hello. You could not sound
more bummed out. Have you ever heard anybody come on
a show and sound more bummed out than that than
the Mayor of Auckland Way Brown is with us now
high WAYN Hello, Hello, I reckon. That's the sound of

(48:40):
a man whose weekend plans to go out of the
city just got disrupted by a giant storm coming in,
which means he has to stay in the city and
work through the weekend. That's what I think is happening there.
That's just the sound of it.

Speaker 11 (48:49):
So for people to appreciate the craft that you do. Heither,
So when that happened in that light of you live,
you've got a window where you can see me and
producer Sam, And as soon as we heard that hello
and that tone of voice, we both lost our composure completely.
We both cracked up and were basically falling out of
our chairs. And you had to keep doing this serious
interview about a council city deal while looking at a
couple of idiots in your production studio just sides for.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Two minutes, and you couldn't even regather yourself it was.
It was deeply unprofessional.

Speaker 11 (49:15):
Don't know how he does it. He's to say it's
so good.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
Anyway, listen, we're talking about volunteers and sport. Next. It's
really important to stay with us.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in
your car on your drive home. It's Heather Duper Clan
drive with one New Zealand tender power of satellite mobile
news talks.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
Over in Australia. Well, actually it's over in Singapore. Elbows
just holding a press conference.

Speaker 18 (49:49):
With the Singaporean Prime Minister at the moment they are
announcing they have struck a fuel deal with Singapore and
the dealer is to make maximum efforts to continue trading
large volumes of fuel and gas.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
Now you don't need need to tell you that's just
BS right. Making maximum efforts to continue to supply fuel
means absolutely nothing on Earth. It's non binding. So you know,
do you think Singapore If Singapore starts running out of field,
do you think they're going to keep supplying Australia with fuel? No,
I don't think so. Twenty four away from six Sport
Huddle is standing by and be with us very shortly.

(50:20):
But how is this for a shortage of volunteers? Wellington's
largest football club, Western Suburbs, is desperately seeking forty coaches
and they only have a few weeks before the season starts.
Dean Eager is the chairman there is with us.

Speaker 13 (50:32):
Hi, Dean Heather, how are you very well?

Speaker 3 (50:34):
Thank you? Now tell me if I'm wrong. But by
my calculations, this is about a third of your coaches
that you need.

Speaker 5 (50:38):
Is that right?

Speaker 19 (50:39):
Yeah, that's correct. I mean we do often have this
issue come pre season, but certainly this year we've had
a change in the format of junior football which is
requiring some extra coaches. But we are way behind the
April this season going into the new season which starts
in about two weeks.

Speaker 14 (50:55):
As you said, what's the problem?

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Why is it worse this time?

Speaker 19 (51:00):
I think I'm speaking on behalf of football, but I'm
probably speaking on society in general, that volunteerism has become
a dying thing now and unfortunately the consequence of that
is that more and more volunteer work is falling on
fewer people. And for a club like ours, and we're
certainly not as big as some of the clubs in Auckland,
but burn out towards end of the season becomes a
real issue for a committee members and people involved with

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the game.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Do you think it gets worse when you're in a
costan I mean most of it as parents, right, it's
mums and dads who do the volunteering largely, Am I right?

Speaker 19 (51:29):
Correct? That's right? Yeah, so we I mean, certainly it's
a problem in the very young ages of the kids.
And at that age the kids are just there are
half fun with their friends. I mean it's not technical,
there's no real knowledge needed of football, but it's just
a chance to get out, hang with your mates and
kick a ball around. And it does become a frustration
for us because the parents of today have all come

(51:49):
through some sort of organization. There's kids and had people
coach them and mentor them and manage them. And it's
now their turn to give something back to their kids
and to their community. But a lot of people seem
reluctant to do that.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Now.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
Do you think it gets worse during a cost of
living crisis because there are so much pressure on parents,
They probably have to work longer hours, maybe some of
them will have to work a second job. They simply
may not have the time.

Speaker 19 (52:11):
Absolutely, and we have seen this sort of evolved from
from COVID and the pandemic. But then, you know, the
flip side to that could well be that many kids
nowadays do you're a say it have got more than
one family. There's a lot of people who are working
from home. So you know, there's frozen cons I guess
to both sides. But ultimately, you know, the life lessons

(52:32):
kids learn out of playing sports or the likes of
that sort of activity are well worth the investment.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
All right. List indeed, so I would happily coach. Here's
my problem. I would happily coach. I just have no
idea what I'm doing. So, even even with four or
five year olds, would you if somebody like myself, a
parent like myself, was like, yep, I can, I can
give it a bit of a hone with the little ones,
would you show the parent how to do it first?

Speaker 19 (52:55):
Absolutely?

Speaker 8 (52:55):
So.

Speaker 19 (52:55):
We We've got a coaching community within our club and
the new coaches are on boarded. They mentored by one
or two of our committee members. Capital Football fantastic. They
provide free coaching courses for new people coming into the game.
But as I said, it's certainly not technic call. And
they've given online games to follow to look at the
study during the week. They're given handbooks with different activities

(53:18):
for the kids to do on game day and we
have people available on game data to help those people
coming in into the game, especially as you said, yeah
there mums and dads I'm out there who are probably
thinking maybe I could do this. Well, the kids need you.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
To yeah right there as well. Ye as simple as that,
hey Deen, thanks very much, but look after yourself. Denigat
Beast of Lucky, the Western Suburbs Football Club chair. It's
twenty one away from.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
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Speaker 1 (53:40):
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Speaker 2 (53:54):
Will have thirty Warriors twenty two.

Speaker 5 (53:58):
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Speaker 3 (54:02):
You see me, he'll take the tackle the Melbourne have
the points here again tonight.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
My god.

Speaker 11 (54:11):
He leaves across, he jump like a rainbow and came
up with a pot of gold from Melbourne.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
It's gruel for the Warriors.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
Absolute amateur from me. So let's try that again. Sports
huddled with us this evening. Andrew Gordy, sports commentator, Alex Powell,
HEROLD sports journalist. Hello, lads, evening here evening, ting Gordy,
you've got the kids, you done any of the sports volunteering.

Speaker 20 (54:35):
I haven't hear that and listen. Having listened to that
interview and obviously discussing this issue, there is one very
simple answer this and it's time. People don't have the
time anymore. I grew up and my dad coached my
football and cricket teams. But during that period, my mum
was at home and she was holding the fort and

(54:56):
dad was able to do that. That the family situations,
and you right about the cost of living crisis. People
are working harder, they're working longer. Both parents and others
have complex family dynamics that make it even more challenging.
But I'm not particularly surprised to see that clubs are
facing this sort of problem, and the answer is not
a particularly easy one. The best one I can probably

(55:18):
think of is that you actually start. I wonder if
parents would be prepared to pay a little more for someone,
and that might be a student, or someone who's playing
at a senior level or something that might have the
opportunity to earn some extra money by coaching two or
three teams for example, on a weekend, because it's not
just the weekend, it's the trainings during the week as well,

(55:40):
that might be in the morning or in the evening.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Not a stupid idea from me. I wonder if that
actually is the way that we have to go, Alex,
what do you reckon?

Speaker 21 (55:47):
I do like the argument that God is making. I
will just add though, I feel like there has been
a sort of a shift away from club sport towards
school sport in the last maybe generation, that we are
now seeing people get their sporting commitments through school and
then when you graduate you do sort of have to
start over. And maybe that has not, you know, not

(56:08):
led to an apathy towards club sport, but we are
just a bit disconnected from it in that way.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
Yeah, and that would again, like Alex, that's again for
the same reason, isn't it. Because it's easier for parents
to say, kid goes to the school, they play rugby
for the school, they play hockey for the school, they
play for tennis, and rather than having to have all
these like a myriad of different clubs on top of
the school, it's all in one spot for you.

Speaker 9 (56:29):
It's easy exactly.

Speaker 21 (56:31):
Yeah, the time commitments are huge across the board for everyone.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Now, all right, listen, let's talk about the netball because
I know both of you guys are interested in this, Gordy,
is this season going to change netballs fortunes or not?

Speaker 20 (56:44):
I can't say I'm confident about it.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Heither.

Speaker 20 (56:47):
And the reason is that the at Premierships itself has
been watered down. What does any good competition need. It
needs star power in the star players, and this competition
has been robbed of so many of its stars. It
feels like it would be a tough sell, both for
in terms of selling tickets and for people watching the

(57:07):
broadcasts of the games. But and I hope I'm wrong,
I really do, because I think, you know, what's been
going on with netball in this country in the last
you know, a couple of years especially, has not been great.
It needs a bit of a bit of positive prs,
you know what I mean. So I hope we see
a cracking a into premiership. But yeah, I'm concerned about it.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
Okay, So let's let's just assume, Alex that it plays
out the way that we think it's going to play out.
They haven't got this the missing nine of the silver ferns.
It's going to be on TV two. It's going to
be like hardly anyone even knows the bloody thing is
starting tomorrow, so it's going to be at a bit
of fluff. What do they do? How do they rescue
the situation?

Speaker 21 (57:46):
To be honest, I rarely struggle to think of the
way they can do it.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
I think netball, do they need to Australian competition.

Speaker 21 (57:53):
I think we are now in a holding pattern until
that opens up. I mean Netbourne, New Zealand. I know
there's is shues there with no chair of the board
and no but whoever comes in and takes charge has
to sort of almost go, you know, cap in hand
to Australia and say look we need this, and also
commits them that Australia needs this. We see the value
in Trans Tasman competition and other sport. You know, if

(58:14):
they can get three licenses for teams, you know, and
I know that there would be a knock on effect
to the number of opportunities for women and girls playing
professional netball here. But the greater good would be having
our players play at a higher level as possible, and
that's not going to happen at the moment.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
Okay, But now I thought, Gordi, that the Australians are
expanding by a couple of squads and that they are
considering us, and we're the ones going.

Speaker 20 (58:36):
Now, yeah, well, see, this is the trouble we're coming from.
And when I say we, I'm obviously talking about netball
and New Zealand. We're coming from such a weak negotiating
position at the moment, aren't we. And you only have
to think back, And it wasn't that long ago really
that we had a what I think was a very
good Trans Tasman netball competition. Sure Australia dominated it, but

(58:56):
that's in terms of winning titles, but that was just
symptomatic of you know, frankly, on balance, Australia are better
at nitball than New Zealand. So in terms of wanting
to get back into the Australian competition, and I know
there's obviously been plenty of discussion recently around different sports
about whether it is right or wrong to join an
Australian competition. I think in Nipple's case, it would be

(59:19):
the right thing to do. It would certainly be good
for knitball New Zealand to do that. It's what's in
it for Australia and I just would be concerned about
when that discussions held around the table, what exactly are
you bringing And it feels like a you know, a
very lopsided discussion that one, and I'd be concerned about
how it pans out.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
I think that's a fair point, right, We'll take a break.
Come back shortly quarter two.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
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Speaker 3 (59:49):
Got you back to with the sports tittle got Alex
Powell and Andrew Gordy with US. Alex who pays seven
thousand dollars to go into a FEEF for World Cup game?

Speaker 21 (59:59):
I mean fans for USTA and that's kind of what
football is built on, as you know, passionate supporters. Whether
or not you'd find too many people wanting to fork
out that much to go to a World Cup, especially
in the States at the moment, I think you would
have a tough time. But there are people that are
definitely going to be prepared to do it, and that's
why they're going to charge that much.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
Are people actually going to pay for the squading?

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Are these seven thousand dollars seats going to sell out.

Speaker 20 (01:00:22):
Alex is right, there are passionate football fans that will
pay for this. But the other really important part of
those people are also really, really stealthy, obscenely rich, and
there are quite a few of them in the US,
So I don't think they'll have any trouble actually selling
the tickets that I can guarantee you. It won't be me,
and I'm pretty confident it won't be Alex playing them either.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
No, No, I don't know it won't be Alex. I
know it won't be Alex. He's still a member of
the media, so that's not going to happen. No, Hey,
Alex lut Metcalfe not on the squad. Not altogether a
surprise either, worri Is do you reckon that the squad
looks strong enough?

Speaker 19 (01:00:58):
Though? Well?

Speaker 21 (01:01:00):
I mean I do think we are really open here
for a classic Andrew Webster late team switch. We still
don't know what the cinder pairing is going to be,
whether or not Chanden the hook clock. Dad's going to
pass fit from his neck injury. Adam Pompey's been banned,
so it's kind of hard to gauge just what team's
going to run out there, But what I will says
the law of averages has to be on their side. Eventually,
no one beats the Warriors eighteen times in a row.

Speaker 20 (01:01:24):
Well, I just say, can I just say here? I
know that the Warriors have got a dreadful record about
the Storm. That doesn't mean anything when you into the
field of play that's coming weekend because the Warriors have
lost two in a row. The Storm have lost three
in a row, and that team is unrecognizable from the
great Storm teams of bygone eras. Yes, granted they've still

(01:01:46):
got Harry Grant and Cam Munster and Jerome Hughes. They
still have a pretty healthy spine. But outside of that,
I don't think there is a great deal to fear
about the Storm team, and I think they're right for
the package.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
I love your attitude, Gordy. I'm yeah, you get me,
you want to give Yeah, I'm taking that into the
weekend and then we'll see how we feel on Monday
after the inevitable thing happens. Okay, Don Tricker? Are we
feeling confident about Don Trick? Alex?

Speaker 21 (01:02:11):
Look, I really like the idea of someone from outside
of a rugby background coming in to look at this
whole system. We've seen the sort of repeated mistakes of
New Zealand rugby not backing their own but just having
the sort of stale mail pale approach over and over
and over again. And you know, if you want what
you've always had, then to do what you've always done.
So I really like Don Trick from that point of it,

(01:02:32):
whether or not I mean he's even got the job.
I know that greg Or Paul, my colleague, has gone
pretty hard saying that that's what's expected to happen, but
I think it's just going to be it wait and see.
I know that Steve Hanson's influence has sort of been
spoken about as would someone like him be prepared to
take that role with someone like a Joe Schmidt be
any good, But I mean if it is Don Trick,
I think you would have very few complaints.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
I actually think that that is the approach, Gordy, that
the rugby guys need to be taking, because for too
long they have actually just they've had people who'll think
the same with the kind of same view about rugby,
and maybe an outside perspective is exactly the bloody thing
they need yees see.

Speaker 20 (01:03:06):
But I think it totally depends on exactly what you're
asking that person to do, like what is the role
in its entirety. I know everyone's focusing on that this
person will be essentially that the person that the head
coaches of the All Blacks and the Black firms will
report to. But there's more to it than that, right,
So if we're just taking that very specific part in isolation,

(01:03:29):
my personal pick would be Joe Schmidt. I think he's
got all the hallmarks of being great and that sort
of role because he's not like a Steve Hanson. I
think Steve Hanson will be the wrong kind of person
for that role because of one, what he's achieved and
you know with the All Blacks previously, but also just
the type of leader slash manager he is. I don't

(01:03:49):
think I can't see a great dynamic between in particular
Hanson and Rennie. But if you've got someone who has
no background as a coach or a player in rugby,
how much you expected to offer in terms of understanding
the environment? Yes, high you know, high performing sports environment
have have I suppose transferable ideas and expectations and things

(01:04:12):
like that, but surely you need some rugby IQ in there,
and it's not the Don Tricker hasn't worked in rugby
at all. I yet that he's worked for New Zellan Rugby,
but I don't know. I think I would love it
if there was someone like Joe Schmidt who's got experience
at the highest level as a coach and also experience
across multiple unions. He would be my top pick. But
that's just my point.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
You make a fair point there, guys, has always really
good to talk to the pair of you. Enjoy your
week in a sport. Alex Powell Andrew Gordy our huddle.
This evening is coming up seven away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
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Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
Five away from six. A quick question for you. So
I was watching the golf because I should I should
have mentioned the Masters obviously with the boys a minute ago.
But I was watching the golf on the TV one
news the other day, might have even being yesterday, and
I reckon they're speeding it up. When when the ball
hits the green and then roll or when you've got it,
you've got the final put those balls are so please

(01:05:10):
tell me. I'm I'm not imagining this, but I was
watching it and I thought, that's that ball cannot possibly
be traveling that fast. Otherwise, what the hell kind of
a put was that? And I reckon, what's gone on
here is that they've They've gone Look, we've got we've
got like six or seven puts to get through in
the space of thirty seconds on TV one news, and
no one wants to, like, no one really like you

(01:05:31):
know that if you show in the put, it's probably
dropping in the hole or something's happened. So let's just
get through it. And so they just speed it up
by like one and a half, is what I'm thinking. Otherwise,
those greens are hella fast. Anyway, it's all like alien fast.
Like it's just not right. Something's wrong with us. Anyway.
I tell you what I do know some people at
TV and Z I might flick them a text and
if you if you haven't solved it for me by

(01:05:53):
the end of this program, I will solve them for all.

Speaker 11 (01:05:56):
This is the Master's at Augusta. As I understand it,
they like ice some of the flowers, like they use
ice on the flowers. So that they'll bloom at exactly
the right time to look amazing for the TV. So
this isn't even on the green where people are playing
the golf, Like that's the level of like control.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
Do you think they've gone through and they've like olive oil?
I just have olive oil.

Speaker 11 (01:06:15):
Any if any golf course could make us super fast,
super smooth green, it would be Augusta National. They would
have found some sort of genetic engineering thing that they
did to.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
That's pretty weird little fact that I enjoyed from you
there ants hither tell you what am I getting strongly
worded texts about volunteering. Hither, The same people crying out
that they don't have any time are the same people
who show up who don't, who show up every weekend
to watch their kids play. Here, the volunteer coaches are
hard to find, and it's both in schools and clubs.
Parents are happy to watch, they just don't have the

(01:06:43):
confidence to coach heaps of pearents on the sideline, So
the argument of time doesn't hold up. Hither, you haven't
mentioned the abuse that the referee gets from the parents.
My fourteen year old grandson refereed soccer for lower grades,
and his mother was horrified at the abuse he got
from parents on the sidelines. I had to weed out
a text that was probably a little too nasty, and
I couldn't figure out whether it was for for Gordy

(01:07:05):
or Alex or for Dinaho was on beforehand, so I
just didn't take the chance. Listen, allergy terminal. We've got
some opposition, more opposition to the allergy import terminal because
itsbably just a stupid idea. And I talk to one
of the guys who's got the opposition. They've actually got
alternative plans, which I have my doubts about, but let's
deal with it. After six news talks.

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Edb even in coming up in the next hour, Singapore
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Peter Lewis out of Asia shortly, Barrysopaul rap the political
week that was, and of course Gavin Gray will be
with us out of the UK now. Seven past six.
Now there is more opposition towards the proposed LNG terminal.

(01:08:05):
A new alliance has formed to oppose the venture. It
includes groups like Master Electricians, Consumer New Zealand and the
Sustainable Energy Alliance. Gareth Williams is the chief operating officer
at SIANS and spokesperson for Smart Energy Alliance and is
with us now, Hi Gareth, Yeah, Hi, Okay, what is
your problem with the LNG terminal.

Speaker 22 (01:08:25):
Our view is that it's very shortsighted, that it doesn't
really address the real challenges that New Zealand's electricity system faces,
and what we're asking for is the government to step
back and really look do a proper analysis of all
of the issues that we face. And we believe that
the answer is a whole portfolio of renewable energy type

(01:08:47):
solutions to solve both the dry year issue, increasing electricity
demand and remove our alliance on imported fossil fuels.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
Okay, so what is you If this is not the
fit for the electricity sector that we need, what is
the fix?

Speaker 22 (01:09:05):
Well, the fix is really a very well thought out
energy strategy, which is something New Zealand has really been
crying out for for forever. We don't have a fully integrated,
joined up energy strategy that looks at all of these issues.
So from our point of view, that the fix does
involve accelerating renewable generation, both at utility scale aimed on

(01:09:27):
people's roofs, both businesses and homes. It involves energy efficiency,
so getting better at using less electricity. It involves getting
off gas as fast as we can, and there are
a whole lot of solutions to that, including hot water,
heat pumps, solar batteries, electric vehicles. So from our point
of view, the answer is a portfolio of all of

(01:09:50):
these solutions that are sitting there able to be used.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
Okay's go through three of your ideas. The first idea
is getting the domestic users off gas point but how much,
and presumably it's to preserve what is what we do
not use for the commercial users, But how much how
much domestic users actually use? Trifling? Won't it?

Speaker 22 (01:10:12):
It's not trifling? It is it is a few percent,
But in this in this context, even a few percent
makes a difference.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
And that is an enormous cost for a household who
funds that.

Speaker 22 (01:10:26):
So one of the key solutions to this is access
to long term cheap finance, and the work that Rewiring
a t R has done on this, you know, indicates
that with long term finance, you know, customers can save
two thousand dollars a year including the repayment costs for
the capital costs that's involved. So that's what needs to

(01:10:48):
unlock the getting customers gas. And it's not just homes,
it is businesses.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
So we're talking about government grants or loans rather than
government loans. Rather than government grants.

Speaker 22 (01:10:58):
Not necessarily government. So I mean one of there's a
couple of ideas around that. I mean one there's definitely
government low cost finance. The other is rate space finance,
where local government can provide long term finance. And the
third option is for the electricity companies to provide finance.
They also have access to long term, relatively cheap finance.

(01:11:22):
And so's there's multiple ways that could be done that
wouldn't impose costs on tax.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
Pay Okay, the solar panels on the roofs, who pays
for that? Because would that be subsidized.

Speaker 22 (01:11:31):
Again, we dislike the word subsidi subsidies. So there's two
things to unlock solar that have proven successful internationally. One
again is that access to long term cheap finance subsidies
isn't the right way to look at it. What we
are talking about here is providing incentives that are reflective

(01:11:52):
of the value that it delivers to New Zealand buy.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
But we are talking about businesses government money given to people.

Speaker 22 (01:11:58):
Yeah, it's not so much given to them. It is
money that the government is going to be spending in
some way anyway that The other dimension to it is
that it drives an industry. So our calculations indicate that
the money that the government will be providing to incentivize

(01:12:18):
customers to put solar on their roofs, they would more
than make up an additional GSD and tax returns from
a growing industry. And this short term you know, like
this doesn't have to be forever. It is around creating momentum,
which we've seen in Australia and Hungary and other countries
now that have You know, once the industry start, they

(01:12:40):
accelerate and the incentives can be reduced.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
Okay, managing our hydro lakes better, what do you mean
by that? Is that allowing like a Lake Punakhaki situation
or are we talking about an onslow? We were building
something else.

Speaker 22 (01:12:55):
Altogether, we're talking about using our existing resources better in
conjunction with accelerating renewable So what we're talking about is
taking the load off the hydro lakes when it's not
needed through acceleration of solar generation particularly, but also in

(01:13:16):
energy efficiency, and then during dry year risk periods, holding
back the use of hydro so that it is available
when it's needed. So it's making I mean, what we
are advocating or pointing out is that New Zealand has
a massive battery system in New Zealand already with its

(01:13:37):
hydro lakes, and by taking the load off it when
it's not really needing to be used, that removes the
dry year risk.

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
All right, hey, listen, it's been good to talk to you.
Thank you, Gareth appreciated. Gareth Williams, Smart Energy Alliance spokespus. Listen,
I have a question, and I'd love it if somebody
knows the answer to this question, because it seems to
me there are a bunch of problems that we have
with the electricity sector, but I don't know that I've
heard any body come up with a solution to this
particular problem, which seems to I just wonder if this
isn't our biggest problem. So the problem that we've got

(01:14:06):
is we produce electricity very cheaply, right a lot of
the time, So you know, the wind stuff and the
soul is staff and all that, the water stuff, that's
all very cheap to do. But then what happens is
the minute you start burning something like Huntley, which is
a lot more expensive, every single bit of all the
power prices rise to the Huntley power price. So if
you are running your I don't know your wind farm,

(01:14:26):
you're now making an enormous bloody margin on the renewables
because you're pricing it at the same price as Huntly.
How do you fix that? How do you stop that
from happening? Because it feels to me like if you
stop that from happening, you immediately reduce the price of
power most of the time that Huntley is running, which
is when it's very expensive. You can give me an
answer to that, I love you forever. Fourteen pass six, oh,

(01:14:46):
here we go here. The numbers mustn't forget that, of course,
ASX sorry ends at X fifty down zero point seven
percent today, ASX fifty down zero point two five percent
so far today, barrel of Brent crude is now costing
ninety seven US dollars, so that up about let's say
one percent today. One New Zealand barrel one New Zealand
dollar rather is worth fifty eight US since eighty three

(01:15:07):
Australian since fifty eurosins forty four ukpens in ninety three
Yen fourteen. Now it's quarter past six.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Actually it's the header Duper c Allen Drive Full Show
podcast on my Heart Radio powered by news dog ZEPPI.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
I've got an answer on the Masters Greens. We'll get
to it shortly at seventeen pass six. Obviously. Barry Soper,
senior political correspondent, raps the political week for US. Welcome back, Barry,
Hello again have the earlier this week, Mike Costkin suggested
that he thought there were too many polls. Do you
agree with him?

Speaker 14 (01:15:39):
Oh, I've always said that in the lead up to
the election, we have so many poles, and I suppose
the only advantage you get from them is you get
a trend. But when you see your poll, as we
did this week, the Takespayer Curier Pole putting the National
Partty going up slightly to twenty nine point eight percent,

(01:16:01):
and the headline was National can't make thirty percent when
you consider the statistical margin of era in a poll
that's meant to be three percent, though not counting point
two of a percent. Normally you bring the figure up
to what the next level is. So it was thirty percent.

(01:16:23):
And it's the way poles are skewed by some sections
of the media. I think about it, and I don't
want to knock the media because it gets knocked all
the time. But you know, and polls are interesting, I
mean political tragic tragics, like myself quite likes reading them.
But if you look at that latest poll, the most
interesting aspect of that was the breakdown of the pole.

(01:16:46):
To see that the thirteen plus percent that New Zealand
first got in that poll came. The bump in the
poll came from the National Party, and that was to
be expected. And I would imagine after this year election
you may well see Winston on that figure. And don't
forget the first MMP election in nineteen ninety six he

(01:17:10):
got exactly the number of MPs that that percentage would
allow him to have, and that's seventeen. So if he
had seventeen MPs after this coming election, then he'll be
much more powerful than he has been since nineteen ninety six,
and who knows, we might see a sharing of the
prime and.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
Just realize, you've just complained about having too many polls,
and then you've just waxed poles.

Speaker 14 (01:17:33):
Yes, but I said, other than me, Heather, I said,
I'm a political tragic. I like them, but I can
understand the public if like we're at a dinner last night,
not one of them had ever been taken part in
a poll. And of all my friends, and I've got
a large number of friends, none of them have ever.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
Taken You don't believe the polls?

Speaker 14 (01:17:57):
Well, I just wonder who they talked to.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
Beause asking questions? Are you Jerry Brownlee? Just asking some questions?
Just asking questions? You move a point of order question
a lot? Seriously, how often should we have a poll?

Speaker 16 (01:18:11):
Then?

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
Because the test as Union Caurier poll comes out every month,
that's right.

Speaker 14 (01:18:15):
But then it's not only that. If there was one
a month, I'd say that's fine, but then we probably
have two or three or four a month opinion polls
and at the moment are trending in a similar in
a similar direction. But I think come closer to the
election will be the interesting poll and as the politicians
always say, they never count the polls that are being

(01:18:39):
done sporadically as they are at the moment, and of
course they all do.

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
Okay, So for my sins and for God only knows why,
because I don't. I went on Facebook this week. No, no,
I did, and then I'll tell you what I came
across Andrew Dickens having a wobbly on Facebook about the
fact that on the huddle on this show we had
discussed the O'Brien that over O'Brien Chris luckson interview he

(01:19:06):
did not think it was news. Do you think it
is news? Absolutely?

Speaker 14 (01:19:11):
I mean, oh, look, I don't want to disagree with me,
old mate Dickens, but honestly, the Prime Minister lives in
a goldfish bowl. And there was such an easy way
to get out of that question, and that was simply
to say, look, I'm colorblind. I don't count the number
of Maldi faces I see sitting around my cabinet table.

(01:19:34):
It's quite easy to get out of. But I think
the problem for Chris Luxm was he was trying to
be too honest and in his head when he was
asked a question like that. He was thinking, my god,
how many do I have in the cabinet?

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
And if you are.

Speaker 14 (01:19:47):
Colorblind, I mean, you don't look at the ethnicity of
your cabinet ministers. You look at how good they are.

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
Though it was a stink question, ah, like, let's leave
the identity politics questions in twenty six where they belong.

Speaker 14 (01:20:00):
Yes, yeah, yeah, it was. I mean it was one
of those gotcha questions. And you know a lot of
interviewers love getting the gotcha question and leaving somebody looking,
you know, unstable.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
But the Prime Minister has got to lift his performance.
He cannot keep doing this in the run up to
the election.

Speaker 14 (01:20:19):
Yeah, I think, you know, I think the Prime Mister
should push push back more. I think he's The problem
with him is he's a very honest person, and you
know a lot of people say, oh, he doesn't relate
to the public. Well, I've traveled out among the public
with the Prime Minister and I've seen the way he does,
in fact engage with the public and it's just sad

(01:20:41):
that the country can't really appreciate that. And one can
only hope that they look positively positively towards the future.
And post November seven, if there's a change in government,
in my view, it won't be terribly positive for New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
Thank you, Barry, Barry Sober, Senior political correspondent, rapping the
political week that was here, we go here. Here's what's
going on with the Greens at Augusta. They do not
literally iron. Somebody text me and said that iron the Greens.
Ivan is making up stories. They do not literally iron
the Greens with the clothing island iron. But they have
advanced technology and intense maintenance like Mowen to make them really,
really fast. They have a twenty five thousand dollars vacuum

(01:21:18):
system located underneath each green which either sucks excess water
out or blows air in to keep the greens dry, firm,
and incredibly fast. Six twenty three.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
Scrudging the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather Duplessy
Allen on the Business Hour with maths, insurance and investments.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
Your futures in good hands, used talks.

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
I'd be fascinating. Officials in the US are taking that
anthropic AI threat really seriously. I don't know if you
caught this yesterday, maybe the day before, but anthropic launched
the powerful Mythos model earlier this week, and then they
stopped it before they released it completely to the public
because it's too powerful. It's designed to find cybersecurity vulnerabilities,
and it's actually so good at it. It finds vulnerabilities

(01:22:01):
we don't actually necessarily want to find. It's capable of
identifying and exploiting weaknesses across quote, every major operating system
and every major web browser. So the US Treasury Secretary
and then the Federal Reserve chair have convened a meeting
urgently with bank CEOs in the US this week to
warn them about what this thing can do. Six twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
The Love on the Spectrum fans, I don't know if
you know about the show, but this is a wholesome
Netflix series which follows people with autism who date. The
show's long standing couple Abby and David have apparently split
after five years. This was their memorable moment.

Speaker 23 (01:22:42):
You're the Lionsome Malioners, the melt and macharnee my prince
charm and doesn't bring me flowers. He no, I'd rather
have got me pears any day.

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
That's kind of cute, though In that anyway. The Sun
is reporting there were agreements over a wedding. She wanted
it years ago. He still needed time. But it's a
shock because everybody thought they were about to get hitched. Anyway.
Fan fave Connor is not coming back for season five
which has which has been agreed is going to happen,
which it has been scheduled. He's going to be focusing
on his acting career now, and also some news on

(01:23:18):
his relationship with Georgie.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
You want the truth, well, put bluntly over single ready
to mingle?

Speaker 3 (01:23:26):
Wow, single ready to mingle. Nothing tells you run a
mile more than a man saying single ready to mingle?

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
Anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
Obviously there's drama and every show, even the Wholesome One's
Heather Royal. Auckland has the same green system as Augusta.
It's called subair. It actually costs one hundred thousand per green.
We've got twenty seven of them and Augusta has over
four hundred across all areas of their course. In fact,
safe stuff. You didn't know right. Peter Lewis on what
the Singaporeans are saying about how high the price Puel

(01:23:57):
has actually got to go yet.

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
News talks evy, whether it's macro micro or just plain economics.
It's all on the Business Hour with Hender Duper CLA
and MAS insurance and investments, Your futures in good hands
used talks V.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:24:25):
Keir Starmer has created a bit of a kerfuffle because
he's quoted as saying that he is fed up with
Donald Trump and appeared to compare him to Vladimir put
Now I'm going to read you the full This is
how it's being interpreted by the Telegraph. You know the Telegraph.
They don't like labor, so I think they're putting an
unfair skew on it. You can decide here. This is
what he said. He told ITV. I'm fed up with

(01:24:45):
the fact that families across the country said their bills
go up and down on energy, businesses bills go up
and down on energy because of the actions of Putin
or Trump across the world. Now does that mean he's
fed up with Trump or just fed up with the
energy bills going up and down? And does that he's
comparing Trump to Putin or just saying that both world
leaders with consequential actions. I think it's been a little unfair.

(01:25:06):
Gavin Gray is going to be with us in ten
minutes time on that. And also we have to still
I have to still give you my thoughts on Rachel Smalley.
I haven't forgotten, So I'll get to that twenty three
away from seven. Peter Lewis Asia Business correspondence with US.
Hello Peter, Hello Heather. Right, So, if the Singaporean Foreign
Minister reckons the worst case on the war is not
fully priced in, what does it take us to if
it is fully priced in?

Speaker 24 (01:25:27):
Well, I mean, if you look around Asia, where eighty
percent of oil and petroleum products come through the Strait
of Horn moves, they are getting very little relief at
the moment from this so called chuse and also the
valley that we've seen in the markets. The markets do
seem to be assuming that this truce is going to

(01:25:48):
lead to some sort of permanent cease fire and some
permanent agreements. But in Asia there is two things going on.
There's first of all, a price shock, and there's also
a supply shock. And if you go down to places
like the Philippines, for example, prices at the petrol pumps
there have doubled since the start of the war, and

(01:26:10):
it's causing real economic hardship to consumers. The government has
had to put in place subsidies to try and help
cushion the blow of this, but that puts pressure on
its budgets because poor countries like the Philippines can't really
afford these sort of very expensive budgetary measures. So there
is the price shock, but there's also the supply shock,

(01:26:33):
and that there is a real shortage of oil and
petroleum products because they're just not getting through the strait
of hormus. And the longer this goes on, the more
investors traders are going to assume that this is going
to be a permanent situation and they'll have to start
making alternative arrangements. And if you want to get oil

(01:26:54):
right now for immediate delivery, not what you see in
the financial markets. The price of Brent crude oil is
a paper based product. It's a derivative. If you really
want to take delivery right now of oil, there is
almost no price that you can pay. And if you
want to go, for example, to north Sea oil for
immediate delivery, it's about one hundred and fifty dollars, about

(01:27:18):
the highest on record. So there is a real crisis
brewing here in Asia. And probably for many other countries
around the world as well.

Speaker 3 (01:27:26):
Do we have any idea though, when we actually I mean, like,
let's be honest about it. We're six weeks into this thing,
and we've been talking about a crisis brewing for the
last six weeks and we haven't felt the effect yet
in a way that is anything more meaningful than just
having to pay quite a lot, which is not inconsequential.
But when do we actually feel the crisis?

Speaker 24 (01:27:45):
Well, the key thing to look out for are the
inflation numbers, and we haven't yet seen any country's inflation
numbers really come out that have taken into account the
whole of March and what has gone on there. And
once we do start seeing that data, then we'll start
getting a sense for just how inflationary this is, and

(01:28:07):
also how long lasting those price pressures maybe are likely
to be, and how the central banks could react to that.
The worst case scenario is that the central banks have
to start raising interest rates to deal with what is
in effect a stagflationary shock, in other words, inflation too
high and growth too low or maybe even in recession.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
Yeah, okay, now what is this journey of pace?

Speaker 24 (01:28:34):
Yes, this is Taiwan. Taiwan's opposition leader Chenley One. She's
the chairwoman of the goment Tang, the KMT, which is
the main opposition party in Taiwan. For many years they
were the governing party, but over the last decade or so,
the Democratic Progressive Party, who favor some members of that

(01:28:56):
openly favor independence from China, have been in power, and
as a result, China has refused all sorts of cooperation
and discussions with them, has enforced a naval blockade around
the island.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
Well.

Speaker 24 (01:29:11):
She is in China for a six day visit, which
she calls a journey of journey of peace, and she's
trying to promote another way of dealing with China. One
of those ways is, she says, she upholds the nineteen
ninety two consensus. Now, this consensus refers to a sort
of an agreement, a semi official agreement between Beijing and Taipei,

(01:29:35):
where both sides, both governments, agree that the Taiwan straight
Taiwan is part of one China, but they don't make
it clear which government and which system is the prevalent one. Now,
what has been very significant today is that she met
President Jijingping, now President Juging Ping would never meet William Laid,

(01:29:56):
the current Taiwanese president, But it suggests that maybe we're
seeing the beginnings of a different approach towards Taiwan from China,
and that maybe they feel they have identified and negotiating
part that someone that they can talk to and deal
with in China, and this could potentially lead to a

(01:30:18):
cooling of tensions, particularly as it's timed very significantly with
Donald Trump's visit in a few weeks time.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
Now.

Speaker 24 (01:30:27):
The thing is the Chigley one. Her view is not
necessarily the dominant one. Even within the KMT. There are
certainly members there who don't favor this approach. And it's
interesting to see what the Taiwanese people will say at
the polls because they have typically tended to punish the
KMT in recent years when they have tried to go

(01:30:50):
down this route and suggest a more closer engagement with
the mainland.

Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
All right, Hi, Peter has always good to talk to
you about. We'll talk to you next week. Peter Lewis
Asia Business Correspondent, seventeen away from seven, Heather, do for
see ala eether I'll come out and say it. Rachel
Smalley has been tasked with polishing a turd. You're welcome, Stephen,
thank you, so so so blunt. Okay, So this is
if you didn't catch the chat with Barry early at

(01:31:15):
about quarters to five, I said her, get round to this.
This is about the fact that Rachel Smalley has been
hired to help National particularly the Auckland based MPs, particularly
including the Prime Minister Chris Luxe, and she's sort of
got to take an Auckland view on it. And my
view on this is that no disrespect at all to
Rachel smally because Rachel is I've met her, She's a

(01:31:36):
decent human being, and she's probably very good at what
she's doing in comms and media because she has a
deep understanding of how the business works. But she is
not the right person for this job because what has
happened here is they've hired the same kind of people
that they are. So the problem and I think a
lot of the problems, and I've said this before in
the show, a lot of the problems with the National
Party at the moment is that the key people in

(01:31:58):
the National Party could be key people in the Labor Party.
And think Chris Luxon if he was a Labor Party
prime minister, it wouldn't be weird. And Nicola Willis, if
she was a Labor Party finance minister, she takes them
very much the same approach as orthodox Labor Party finance ministers.
It would not be weird. Chris Bishop comes up with
ideas that are very very labor like housing density, it
would not be weird. Right. So I think a lot

(01:32:20):
of their problems actually sheep back to that in that
there is a cohort of voters out there with the
Nats who are going give us some conservative stuff and
these guys are going, ah, but the kind of liberal
Labor Party vibe is where I'm at. So what you
need to do then is you don't hire another person
who thinks like you, because that is where Rachel sits
on the spectrum too, right, She's a gray lind lady.
You want somebody who's going to tell you how normal

(01:32:41):
people talk out there, go to a west Auckland lady.
Find a west Auckland PR person, find a South Auckland
PR person. Find somebody who's going to talk to a Cantabrian.
I think that is their problem, and it's kind of
the same as that internal comm stuff. That came out
that we discussed yesterday, where a National Party is telling
its MPs instead of saying meeting should say huey. No,
you shouldn't. Normal people don't talk like that. That's Wellington people.

(01:33:05):
And I feel like Rachel smally would say huey. So again,
no disrespect to Rachel. And I bet you that there
are happy clients out there who think Rachel is absolutely
the bomb because she's graded her job. I just don't
think the National Party should be one of her clients.

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
Quarter to two, everything from SMEs to the big corporates,
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Speaker 3 (01:33:33):
Doesn't Rachel live a mudaway? H Are you trying to
say Murdewuay is west Auckland, Murdauai where Ali Moore lives.
Murdauai is just Grayln with horses twelve away from seven.
Gavin Gray, UK correspondent with US Now Hi, Gavin either
have now I reckon the telegraphs read on this saying
that the Prime Minister has said that he's fed up

(01:33:55):
with Trump is a bit unfair on him what do
you think.

Speaker 25 (01:33:59):
Well, he got close to saying that this is perhaps
the most direct criticism we've seen between Starma on Trump.
Of course, there's been a lot the other way over
the UK's lack of involvement in the conflict in Iran.
But Sakur Starmer given a couple of interviews, one to
the Guardian newspaper in which he said he's now thinking

(01:34:20):
about the long term and remaking this country so that
people are not at the mercy of events abroad in
this volatile and dangerous world. However, he also told the
television company ITV talking politics and here's the quote, Heather,
he was fed up with the fact that families across
the country see their bills go up and down because
of the actions of Putin or Trump. And it is

(01:34:44):
those two little words at the end which are really
something new here. I don't think anyone is going to
deny that Donald Trump's actions, of course in Iran has
seen gas and oil prices leap up here. That's going
to have an effect on delivery, is going to have
an effect on Food's going to have an effect on
inflation and in tess rates. But it's the first time
he's really sort of put that name out there as
being responsible for this. But of course the big question

(01:35:10):
as country do to make itself more resilient, because you know,
we don't have an endless sort of limit of different
things that we can do, different measures to put in
place that will make us some resilient from the rest
of the world. So people are surilling to him. Look,
you know you're saying all these things, but actually can
you pull off anything like that?

Speaker 12 (01:35:31):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:35:31):
Listen, what do we reckon the subs were doing in
your waters?

Speaker 25 (01:35:35):
Ah, well, it appears that they were investigating, or at
least mapping out are underwater sea cables and pipelines. So
it appears that three Russian submarines have been conducting what
the government's described as a covert operation. And the UK
is heavily, heavily reliant on these undersea cables. There are

(01:35:58):
roughly sixty they come ashore at various points along the
UK coastline, and more than ninety percent of the UK's
day to day Internet traffic travels via these undersea cables.
So you could see why they would be of huge
interest to a country or a regime which wants to
do the UK harm. And it's reported that three Russian

(01:36:21):
submarines have been north of Scotland in the waters mapping
out these undersea cables, along with another vessel, and they
have been under the monitoring of our British warship and
aircraft that were deployed to effectively monitors see what they
are up to. And this government is saying, you know,
we can see you, we know what you're up to.

(01:36:44):
But whether or not the Russians have enough information about
exactly where these pipelines and cables go is something of
huge concern, as it is of course to the rest
of Europe. We've seen a number of different instances where
Russian ships or shadow fleets have been in odd areas
switching their transponders off, so we don't know where they

(01:37:04):
are submarines operating in waters, and the big concern is
that should there be any dispute, any hostility ever breakout
between Breton and NATO, these undersea cables could really cripple
I think a lot of the communications here and in Europe.

Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
Yeah, quiet, it's a big problem though, Gavin, thank you
very much, mate. We'll talk to you again on Monday.
Look after yourself. Kevin Gray are UK correspondent.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
Hey ever, duplicy.

Speaker 3 (01:37:29):
Ellen's honestly, she was just getting there's really hurrying me
up lately. This will be some of the like, Lord, okay,
this will be something it's really thrown me. I'm really upset.
This will be some of the biggest news for some
people out there. We have a date for Travis Kelsey
getting married to wats her face just joking, Taylor Swift,
July third. Put it in your calendars. And also, here's

(01:37:52):
the other thing. Guests have to sign an NDA, So
if they're going to turn up, no pictures, no talking
about it, absolute silence. Eight away from seven, it's the.

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
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iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 22 (01:38:09):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:38:09):
Lord, I was reading an email. She said, I've had
a weird day today. I've had I've not had a
I've got to be honest with you. It's been a
day of only half using my brain. But we got
there in the end. So thank the Good Lord for that.
Now I reckon, Okay. So I just watched the So
I watched the golf coverage yesterday on TV and Z
and saw the speedy balls. I just watched the golf
coverage before of Augusta on TV three, and the balls

(01:38:31):
were running at like a normal speed. So I am
one hundred percent certainly speeding them up at TV and
ZEN and I just text somebody from TV and Z
and they are. They said that they will get well.
They no, I mean it's not overstated. They didn't say
they're going to get back to me. They said, you
need to give me more context on this, and then
I gave them the context and then they've gone They've
gone silent. So I mean.

Speaker 11 (01:38:54):
Reading, I love to see what their first text was.

Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
Yeah, tell me about the past. All would have been
really weird, like apropos, no conversation that we've had about
golf in recent times. Anyway, they are at least in
the sports team, so it won't be completely weird. But
maybe I'll get an answer view over the weekend and
I'll come back to you on Matt. Guess what I'm
doing tonight? Ants?

Speaker 11 (01:39:13):
What are you doing tonight?

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
Hither?

Speaker 3 (01:39:14):
Yeah, I'm going to the Mountain Goats. The mountain goats. Yeah,
I'm going to the mountain goats. And guess what. I
still hate them.

Speaker 11 (01:39:20):
Oh, I've been trying or maybe Stephen Colbert won't make
a surprise guest appearance, and at least that won't happen.
Seez the Great Divide by Noah Khan to play us
out tonight. This is actually probably the big New Zealand
Too news of the day. Noah Khan the twenty nine
year old folk pop singer. He's going to perform a
show in Auckland. It is going to be on April
twenty fourth. Oh no, the April twenty fourth is when

(01:39:41):
the album's coming out. It's October ninth at Spark Arena
in Auckland. So the take to be going on sale
for that one very far.

Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
So I saw this in the newspapers of Van and
I was like, I have no idea who this sky is?
Do we know who he is?

Speaker 11 (01:39:50):
Noahkhan has a lot of albums that have done really
well here. There's one called stick Season, which was just
in the charts for ages and Ages and even I
don't even like this kind of music. Hither this song
I think is actually really good. And he's got another
one called Paul Revere, which is also really good. So
he's even breaking through to like me.

Speaker 3 (01:40:04):
Okay, all right, well then we should probably have listened
to it brought some priests to me going to what
appears to now be a freaking dead rock band tonight,
See you on Monday.

Speaker 16 (01:40:15):
Pretty Rich, Oh, you're scared of all the lariness.

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
Like mad and gls and cats on your skin. They
are not your soul.

Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
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