Full Show Podcast: 10 August 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's Heather Duplicy allan Drive with One.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 3 (00:13):
Afternoon.

Speaker 4 (00:14):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Coming up today, local governments are head stalts on the
amalgamation deadline which passed last night. We'll get you some
analysis on Contact Energy's big result, and Nicholaulas the Finance
Minister as always with us on a Monday after.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Six Heather Duplessy album.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
How weird was National's re announcement of its budget responsibility
rules yesterday? It was so weird. It basically made exactly
the same announcement yesterday that it made three years ago
before the twenty twenty three election. One that it would
strive for surplus, two that it would reduce debt, and
three that it would cut government expenses. Question, has National
done any of the above?

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Not?

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Really, is it. We haven't got surplus. Even though National
promised we would have a surplus of two point nine
billion dollars this year. We are still years away from
any kind of surplus. Have they cut debt, No, they haven't.
They've racked up probably another forty one billion dollars in debt,
and we basically have the same number of public servants
now as we had when Jacinda and Hipkins left the building,
so not even making much of a dent there, In

(01:11):
which case, I'm sorry to say it, you would be
either stupid or naive to believe Nationals promise this town
time around. In fact, I'm going slightly overboard even calling
it a promise this time. Instead of promising surplus, which
at least they did last time, which they didn't get.
By the way, it's a broken promise. This time. They're
only prioritizing surplus, which is a change in language that

(01:32):
I think says everything that you need to know about
how confident Nikola Willis herself was about the chances of
her getting us back into surplus. I reckon Thomas Coglin
and The Herald absolutely nailed his analysis with this one
line yesterday. Why has National drawn attention to its own failure?
Because that is really all it did yesterday. It only
reminded those of us who are very worried about the
government's finances that they, the National Party, have failed terribly

(01:55):
in getting the books back in order. I think the
answer to Thomas's question actually is that National did this
because National think voters will believe them, and they're trying
to force Labor to make the same promises which they
know Labour can't make. So if Labour can't make the
same promises, then National will prefer National, then voters will
prefer National. And it may be true because Labour may
not be able to make the same promises because they

(02:16):
have huge spending plans and their coalitions partners have even
bigger spending plans. So maybe, maybe strategically this may work
for National for some voters, but for a lot of
other voters. All yesterday did was to underscore that there
is actually very little difference between the way Labor and
National run the government's books in reality.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Heather do for c Allen.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Nine two nine sers the tips number. You're welcome to
a weigh in nicholawillis as I say, is with us
after six o'clock now. The controversial Delmore development north of
Auckland has been given fast track approval. This is the
twelve hundred house development that has received a bit of
criticism as it won't be connected to the water network
until at least twenty thirty three. The fast track panel
has approved the development as long as the developer, vinweh

(02:59):
vine Way Rather can arrange private water and wastewater services.
Wayne Brown is Auckland's mare and with us high Wayne,
you're not happy about this.

Speaker 5 (03:08):
I'm not happy about just what you said before. Either.

Speaker 6 (03:10):
The government will want to have rates caps, and they've
and you know we're running a lot tighter than they are.
And well, we increase the rates force for the city railing,
which I would have been built Envitamin in charge. It
would have been two billion dollars cheaper and we wouldn't
have had to raise it by seven point nine but
four point nine and you gave.

Speaker 5 (03:30):
Me shit over that too, which is a bit rough.

Speaker 6 (03:33):
So not a lot to be yeah, but not deservedly
somehow they made. I mean you compare how tight we
are on our budget keeping without the government. I've been well,
I have to put up with these people are saying, oh,
you have a race cap, Well, how about a tax cap,
how about a buddy dead cap? How about all those
other caps yourself you could wear, okay, instead of wearing

(03:54):
a dummies cap, which is what they've put on for
this thing up north. I mean, you know, a surwit's
a subdivision which you truck the sewage to one ra
and then saying that they're going to do it only
in summer. So clearly people who buy those sections are
allowed to go to the toilet in winter, they're disposing
it to the ground.

Speaker 5 (04:12):
I've done disposal systems.

Speaker 6 (04:14):
I'm an engineer, and it disposes of the ground work
fine in summer, but don't work at all in winter.
So it's more likely to be in winter that they'll
be sending the truckship crauckloads are crap north. And then
when I work out the cost of thirty forty three
truckloads of crap going north every day will cost each
section owner thirty five thousand dollars a year, I don't

(04:35):
think they're going to buy.

Speaker 5 (04:36):
That for that.

Speaker 6 (04:37):
What will happen is that they will do this stuff
there and then it'll be terrible and people say, oh,
the council should fix this, And so having said we
shouldn't do it, everyone will say, oh, why don't you
spend a whole lot of ratepayers money. I don't want
to spend rate pays money on things that rate pays
shouldn't be spending money on. And so I'm really angry
at the whole fast track thing, not just this. This

(04:59):
is just a really bad example of it is a
dumb idea. If you had fast track, we had fast
track for the for the port extension and for that
surf park, I'm thinking, and they are fine because they
got stuck in straight away. This is fast track when
the guy got eight years to do anything about it.
What's fast about that? All that does is it means

(05:19):
that four or five idiots in Willington who only are
willing to be would call experts, are being able to
making decisions for years to come instead of the people
who have been elected to run the city and the
government are giving us lectures about oh, we shouldn't have
marriage and the things that have been elected. What about
these people in Willington and what we want that estimates

(05:40):
from the council are that the by doing it this
way here, these developers are avoiding fifty to eighty million
million dollars of infrastructure cross to make their development stack up.
So growth pays for growth, excepting it never does when
you have idiots in charge.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Okay, now, why aren't these guys is digging the poo
pipes now? Because I mean, anybody who lives in a
house needs a pooh pipe, So why don't.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
They just've got to go somewhere. It's got to go somewhere.

Speaker 6 (06:07):
And water Care don't want to take it because Watercare
have a sensible plan to do things where there is
a need. And the other thing is the idea that
we need to be keep chopping up crap. Farming for
houses is nonsense. I run a developer for them. All
the developers come into this factor and they're telling me
that there are decades of land available within the city.

(06:28):
Now this is just some sort of nonsense that somebody
in Wellington has come up with it.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Why doesn't Wi Watercare want to take it? Is it
because of the cost of the piping all down all
the way downtown?

Speaker 6 (06:40):
Because they spend a lot of money at the moment
doing things in a planned manner around where we have
planned for the.

Speaker 5 (06:46):
City to go.

Speaker 6 (06:47):
And then some guy buys a bit of a cheap shit
land talk somebody it's in Willington to say go ahead,
and then they say, oh, we will go and spend
one point two billion dollars to service twelve hundred sections.
It doesn't make any sense. We don't do stupid shit
and the government stopped doing Okay.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Listen, Wayne, We'll leave it. There's awesome. Thank you very much.
What a way to start the week, Wayne Brown Auckland Mayor,
we don't do stupid shit. If only that was true,
then we wouldn't have a lot of the stupid decisions
that we have all up and down the place. Okay, anyway,
I'm not sure what to make of this news. I mean,
I'm excited, but I'm not sure what to make of

(07:26):
the news that the South Island NRL expansion team has
offered Raiser the coaching role. So this is not dreamy,
dreamy airy fairy, it's a leak. May Or may not
be happening things. Sir Graham Low, who's the chair of
the Southern aucas has actually spoken to Australian media and
said an official offer had been made to Raiser and
he was confident that the franchise would be able to
get Razor into the coaching position. But the question for
me is why why are either of these sides committing

(07:49):
to something legal like this, Because if last I checked,
there is still yet we're talking about them getting a license,
but that does not confirmed that they will get a
license in the NRL. So one of either two two
things are true, which is either this is a sign
that graham Low is confident that he is going to
get that license come twenty twenty nine, or it's a

(08:09):
very very clever pr move by graham Low in the
orcas to try to convince Blandy's to give them. I mean,
because it's just building a really strong case that we've
got Razer, We've got this this spot over here in
this development, you know. I don't know anyway. Either way,
it's a very long time for Raiser to wait, isn't it,
Because if he signs a contract this year twenty twenty six,
he's waiting for twenty nine. So he needs to kill
two seasons twenty seven and twenty eight sitting around and

(08:31):
doing god knows what before he can start coaching an
NRL squad in twenty nine quarter past.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
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Speaker 7 (08:43):
That'd be Heather.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
I live in Lake Hardware and there's a subdivision here
where the truck where they truck the sewage out by truck.
They are building a pipe, but that's also caused a
massive rates increase for us, and people in the subdivision
have also complained with smells coming back up the drains
into their house. Awesome. This sounds like a great plan
eighteen past.

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Speaker 3 (09:05):
Jason Pine sports stalk coasters with us at Piney. Hello, Heather,
do we need Richie Moonger?

Speaker 7 (09:09):
Do you think?

Speaker 8 (09:10):
Well, there's a couple of things at play here. Dave
Rennie has always made no secret of the fact that
he wants Richie Mwonga there. He lobbied really hard to
be able to select him before he played MPC, and
so Rugby said no, needs to play in PC. He
sticked that box. Now, Billy Proctor is a midfield back,
Richie moong is a first five. They're not a million
miles away from each other positional wise. But the fact

(09:31):
is we've got four first fives on this tour already
and all four are fully fit. So do you need
to add a fifth one into there?

Speaker 9 (09:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (09:41):
I'm just not sure the optics are right. Richie moong
terrific player. We'll get the chance to play for the
All Blacks again. But I just wonder whether they just
need to stick with what they've got to bring over
a like for like for Billy Procter and sort of
carry on. I don't know what you think.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
I'm going to defer to you on this, but if isn't,
isn't Richie just the best in the business?

Speaker 8 (10:00):
Well he was when he left and we haven't had
a huge well, I don't know that. I don't think
anybody knows because he hasn't played Test rugby for three years,
so we don't know where he is. I mean, terrific
in Japan and Dave Rennie's got a very good eye
and he's been watching Richie play in Japan, of course
against teams he's been coaching for the last little while. Like,
let's say, terrific player. But I just wonder about dropping

(10:23):
somebody into an established team. I'd be going to camroy Gard,
Rubin Love, Jeordi Barrett Quintepaya nineteen twelve thirteen. You guys
are our team. We need you to win this series
against South Africa. Richie, we want you, but this isn't the.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
Time, hey, do you I feel a little bit more
confident about the All Blacks chances against the South Africans.
After watching that game against Argentina, what do you think?

Speaker 8 (10:44):
Yeah, I do too, I do too. And look, I
don't think anybody was filled with confidence the way the
all backs played against the Stormers. But that was very
much a second screen team. If you want to call
a bunch of you guys hadn't played for a while.
Winnsday against the Sharks will be very instructive, I think.
But you're right. I mean, it wasn't as though South
Africa completely monstered Argentina. In fact, they could have. They
could have drawn that game. The Argentinian bloke had held

(11:07):
onto the ball near the end. But yeah, look, I
I still think their favorite. But I'm not absolutely petrified
about the prospect of this four test series.

Speaker 10 (11:16):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
Can we talk about the Warriors? How good was that?

Speaker 8 (11:19):
That's so good? That was just magnificent On Friday. The
Penrith Panthers are the benchmark, you know, they're they're the
best team in the camp, have been all season and
the Warriors kept them to nil at half time. A
couple of tries made it interesting, but the Warriors, Heather,
you know, they could they could win the minor Premiership,
the regular season silverware and they could go deep in
the playoffs. We have to believe it now they are

(11:41):
the real deal.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
And and does does what's his face? What text him?
Text you about him? What's his name again?

Speaker 11 (11:47):
Is Luke?

Speaker 10 (11:48):
Luke McCarthy?

Speaker 8 (11:49):
Yeah, I got I loved your text.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
Yeah, you know, I text you and tell you were right.

Speaker 8 (11:54):
I know it doesn't happen very often. I've got a
luxuri add in these things when they when when you
know when it happened about ones every three years?

Speaker 3 (11:59):
But has he locked in? Like is he the preferred
player out Has he just been for the rest of
the season?

Speaker 8 (12:04):
Do you reckon it has to be has to be
best player out there on Friday? Yeah, you know, it
doesn't matter how he got there, he's there now. I
think he wears seven for the rest of the season.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Oh brilliant Piney. Thank you very much mate. You go well,
that's Jason pine Sports Talk Post. I got a text
from my friend. My friend text me and she's like,
are you watching the Warriors? Yeah? She goes, do you
want to go to the Grand Final with me? And honestly,
if I looked at I was like, when is it?
And she told me. And I looked at my diary
and I've got to be I've got to be in
glein Orky that weekend. Otherwise I was going to be
at the Grand Final. How good would that be? You

(12:35):
you've booked your tickets for the Grand you have right
if you haven't do it, because it looks like it's
on full LENORKI nothing that you need to know about
his eyes wide shut type thing. Yeah you know, do
you know? Have you watched ice wide shut? It's like that.
It's suck secret stuff. I can't tell you, but it's
like you know, heap's going on in glen Orkey. Thanks
for caring. Ants four twenty two.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Here what matters the facts over the noise.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
It's Heather duplessy Ellen with one New Zealand Award in
New Zealand's Best Mobile Network News Talks.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
There'd be I reckon Jin's probably nailed it. Hither we
have no choice. We either vote for National that failed
to turn around a deaf it's a deficit as bad
as it is, or we vote for Labor who calls
that deficit. I would pick National or New Zealand first
any day. Those psycho left he shouldn't touch pax payers money.
It is a little bit like that. It's kind of
like theles of It's the lesser of two evils. I'm sorry,
it's that. I wish I could be nicer about them

(13:26):
because they are currently in government, but not really for
twenty five Now I'm speaking of the other side. Chippy's
just gone and done this.

Speaker 7 (13:33):
Winston Peters has ruled us out.

Speaker 5 (13:34):
I'm heavy to rule him out.

Speaker 7 (13:36):
It's clearly not going to happen.

Speaker 12 (13:38):
I'm not going to put up the overt racism at
any government that I lead. Is that's the sort of
behavior that Winston Peter's in New Zealand versa are indulging in.

Speaker 7 (13:45):
They won't have any.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
Role in the government that I leave what ever. Chippy,
I mean, this is just silly buggers, isn't it. Because
Winston's already ruled them out. So it's it's like Winston goes,
I'm not going to marry him, So Chippy turns around
and goes, well, I'm not going to marry him. Well, oh, mate,
wasn't gonna marry you anyway. So this achieves The actual
net effect of this is absolutely zero. Also, by the way,

(14:06):
this I think is about the third time that Chris
Hopkins has ruled out in New Zealand. First, he did
it last week. Did you catch it last week? Chris
Hopkins ruled out New Zealand First. The problem is it
didn't get very many the headlines, so he's decided to
just do it again. Anywayal National gave him this one.

Speaker 12 (14:21):
They're just made.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
Any forms of themselves.

Speaker 12 (14:23):
Nikola Willis's grand announcement yesterday was basically to stand up
and admit that she's made a complete hashit that for
the last three years, and that all of those same
promises she made yesterday she made three years ago and
has failed to deliver on every single.

Speaker 7 (14:36):
One of them.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Sorry, all of that is actually true. And then he
made a funny joke about Chris lux and not holding
a post cabinet press conference today.

Speaker 7 (14:43):
Luckson's gone back into witness pretection. I'm not surprised.

Speaker 12 (14:46):
He's probably busily ringing around all of his Corpus colleagues
trying to shore up his own numbers.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Barry Sop's going to be a lesson around about twenty
minutes time. Did you know, by the way, this completely
changing the subject, because you probably need relief from politics. Right,
did you know that common painkillers can, like ibuprofen, can
increase the risk of sunburn. Britain's health watchdog has just
issued a warning about because they're about to get another
one of those heat waves and you know the Brits
can't handle it like the tiniest but a sun. So
they've had to be like, don't go in the sun

(15:13):
if you've been taken ibuprofen, if you've popped in Europe,
and don't go in the sun because you're you're already
gonna burn little white people, but now you're going to
burn even even more. Common arthritis medications, certain antibiotics, acne treatments,
anti fungal medicines, all of them can make burn even harder.
He goes news. You can use news is next?

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Accountability analysis answers here? What matters?

Speaker 1 (15:42):
It's Heather Dooples Sea allan drive with one New Zealand
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Speaker 3 (15:54):
An original Longer shouldn't be picked at all. He doesn't
deserve to be selected. He's just come back from Japan
earning millions of dollars. We need to develop the eyes
that are loyal to New Zealand rugby. Look, I never
subscribed to this. I never subscribed to this idea of
you should you've done your time, so you get for
whoever's the best. I mean, he's gone to Japan, he
might have lost form, therefore he's not the best. But
if he's the best, he's the best. Do we want

(16:14):
to win or not? That's ultimately you work backwards from that. Now,
we had obviously last night I think was midnight. Last
night was the deadline for all of the councils to
submit their plans to government, you know who's going to
combine with her and so on. At last count it
looks like forty eight councils submitted plans and seventeen abstained.
We're going to have a chat to Het Stultz, who's

(16:34):
the Local Government New Zealand President. She's also the mayor
of Gisbon and I think she did participate in the process,
and just get a handle from her on what happens next. Now,
the reason i'd love to be able to tell you
that we're talking to Simon Watts today, who is the
Local government minister. I'd love to be able to tell
you we're talking to Chris Bishop today, who was actually
the brains behind this, but neither of them are available.

(16:54):
Bish I've got a bit more latitude, like I'm the
rope is long with Bish here, because I feel like
that man has got a lot going on. Lest so
with Simon Watts, who is making a habit of being
unavailable when ministers in charge of big things like this
should actually be available. I'm on, let this one pass
this time, but next time we are going to expect

(17:14):
him to actually say yes to the interview requests on
big days like the day after a significant deadline for
reform twenty three away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
It's the world wires on youth talks, they'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Iran has once again demanded financial reparations from the US
as a requirement for the reopening of the Strait of Hormorlles.
The Iranian Foreign minister says they are exchanging messages with
the Americans, but they're not formally negotiating.

Speaker 13 (17:38):
The intermediaries are still trying to create the ground for
negotiation from our perspective, until the violations of the Memorandum
of Understanding and the US compensates for what it has
violated in the memorandum there is no possibility of restarting negotiations.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
Suspected crime boss Daniel Kinahan has been extradited back to Ireland.
He's accused of running a massive into national drug cartel.
A former US official says financial sanctions placed on Kenahan
may have helped authorities apprehend him.

Speaker 14 (18:05):
When you were sanctioned by the United States, you basically
become radioactive to everyone around you. So I think the
sanction has definitely had an impact both financially and on
his associations, and also sent a powerful message around the
world to governments.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
And finally, Usher has been accused of failing to show
up to his own concert. Some fans say Usher the
guy who was on stage at the recent New York
show didn't look like the real Usher at all and
may have actually been somebody pretending to be Usher, like
an impersonator. Usher has denied these allegations, saying they can't clone.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
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Speaker 3 (18:50):
Oli Peterson ABC Perth Radio Drive presenters with us.

Speaker 15 (18:53):
Ole Betther, How good is your American accent?

Speaker 3 (18:57):
It was kind of rubbishe taking the mickey out. It
great you've been quite mean. Hey these two guys. Have
they been given the rap for what happened at the airport.

Speaker 15 (19:07):
Well yeah they have.

Speaker 16 (19:09):
But look the Transport Minister has defended what they've done
in the end. But for those wondering, this Jetstar flight
was preparing to leave Sydney for the Gold Coast at
a slam on those brakes because the crew spotted a
Katar Airways aircraft being towed across the tarmac.

Speaker 15 (19:22):
Now they came with the metters of each other.

Speaker 16 (19:24):
That crew member from jets Star stuff at a minor
injury when the plane breaks suddenly it's the second you
miss though. This is the problem header at Sydney Airport
in about two weeks. We had two Quantus aircraft narrowly
avoiding a collision late last month, and the Transport Safety
Bureau says the pilot's actions actually prevented what could have
been a much more serious incident. There's already a fight
over staffing at Sydney Airport, so this is the bigger

(19:46):
issue now and the union representing the air traffic controllers
says that they're just simply un enough control. That staff
have been working excessive over time, doing more than twenty
hours of overtime a week and the system has effectively
been propped up by overtime and the staff are now
exhaustan reluctant.

Speaker 15 (20:00):
To keep doing it.

Speaker 16 (20:02):
So the Transport Minstress, I said Catherine King sees she
wants to improve rostering practices from next month and that
air services need to carefully manage.

Speaker 15 (20:11):
The airport through the rest of August.

Speaker 16 (20:13):
Well, don't know, we're going to automatically find these extra
air traffic controllers.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yeah, fairpoint. Now what's going on with the doctors and
the bulk.

Speaker 7 (20:20):
Billing, Well, the government would be ringing a bell today.

Speaker 16 (20:23):
I'd be happy with this one, Heather, because they've been
asking obviously Australians to go and see their GP and
saying there are more bulk billing places available at now.
They have given some new data out today that the
national bulk building rights climb to eighty four percent.

Speaker 15 (20:36):
That's up five percent from almost a year ago.

Speaker 16 (20:40):
Obviously that helps when the federal government pumps up Medicare
to the tune of eight point five billion dollars, so
we all pay in some way. The big changes that
bolk billing incientives have been expanded to patients now all
ages rather than just being concentrated on children and concession
card holders. So this has they've got ninety percent target.
The government has visits being at free by twenty thirty

(21:02):
to GPS and the government will say, well, this will
obviously help with your household bills and access to healthcare.
But there's a little bit of devil in that detail.
So obviously if you can find a bulkaling appointment, and
I've been hearing that on talk back all day over here, it's.

Speaker 7 (21:16):
Really really difficult.

Speaker 16 (21:17):
So I don't know how people are finding these extra
doors doctor's appointments being made available.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Hey, how does this in New South Wales? This bond
transfer system work.

Speaker 16 (21:28):
Yeah, it's a funny one because I've never heard of it,
to be honest. And it's called this smart rental bond.
So instead of paying a completely new bond while you're
waiting for your old bond to be returned, if you're
moving places, you can transfer that bond to your new property.
So it's about four thousand dollars. The headline is the
four thousand dollars relief. So the government in New South

(21:48):
Wales that he says it's moving renters by saving them
that extra money, and it's designed to stop that double
the bond problem. But there is a catch because it's
not simply four thousand bucks being handed back to rented
you're transferring the bond that you've already paid. And there's
a twenty five dollars fee for using the scheme. So
if the new property's bond is going to be more
than what you're paying today, you'll have to pay that difference.

(22:09):
And if there's still a claim against your old bond ie,
you've left the carpets poorly. Maybe you know, you decide
to paint the walls a different color, or you left
up your you know, your Warriors poster on the wall
because you thought that they were going to win the
premiership because Luke Metcalf played so well on Friday Night.

Speaker 15 (22:23):
Then you might have to pay a little bit of
money to get the blue tack off the wall.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Hey do you not believe it? Are you not a believer?

Speaker 7 (22:29):
Not?

Speaker 15 (22:29):
What?

Speaker 5 (22:30):
So?

Speaker 16 (22:30):
I'm a Dragons fan and Luke Metcalf is going to
be paying for the dragons next to you, so.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
You can have your turn next to your mate.

Speaker 7 (22:36):
I'm on the Wars.

Speaker 16 (22:37):
I love the Wars anyone, but penrist right and I'll
be coming honorary.

Speaker 5 (22:41):
Key.

Speaker 15 (22:41):
We just not in the other code. Like I don't
like your rugby side, but I like your rugby league side.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
No one really likes the rugby side anymore. Thank you, Oorie,
I appreciate it, mate, Oliver Peterson ABC Perth Radio Drive Presenter's.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Hell, du see Allen.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
That's unfair. I shouldn't say things. We still like the
All Blacks a lot, don't we. Speaking of which, by
the way, in sid Rugby out spent one point three
million dollars keeping more onea pacifica going. This is because
the Pacific Pacific Medical Association, which are the ones who
owned it, announced they were going to stop funding the team,
and they made that announcement on April fourteen, and then
it was liquidated in May. And it sounds like they
basically ran out of money before well they did. They

(23:15):
ran out of money before the season was finished, right,
So New Zealand Rugby had to pay for the final
costs of the final game and that to cover the
player salary so that they could finish the season, which
is just remarkable when you tought up how much money
ends in rugby had to throw into this how much
money the government through m FAT had to throw into
its sports New Zealand and so on. The thing was
just basically propped up by everybody else's bloody money, which

(23:36):
then begs the question why is Winston so fixated as
he is on keeping this thing going? Because he is right,
So when he announces, which he wants to, that he's
going to have him onea pacifica squad going, I don't know,
twenty twenty seven to twenty twenty eight. Whenever, just remember
how much of your money is going to go into
paying professional rugby players a lot of money to run
around the field. I need to This is a weird

(23:56):
thing to do, but bugger it, I'm going to do it.
Speaking of the doctors that Oli was speaking about, I
booked into the doctor today, right, so I've booked in
for tomorrow. I made an appointment because I thought I've
had a gutsful, absolute gutsful of what is going on
at the moment. I have been sick for six weeks.
I counted it up. It's six. I think it's six weeks.
It could be the start of seven weeks. Who really
cares at the stage, I mean, if you're dying, you're dying,

(24:17):
or it doesn't matter how much by anyway? What that
would not die? I'm being, I'm just being is hyperbowl.
I got sick the week before school Hollybops ended right,
it started right, so the last week of term, so
that week plus then the two weeks of term of
school holidays, and then since then that's six weears too long,
isn't it? Is anybody else got the sing where you

(24:38):
got the coffin the sinus in fiction and stuff like that?
Or is it just me? Is if something wrong with me,
please text me and tell me it's not just me.
And also if you could diagnose me, it would save
me a trip to the doctor, Thanks very much. Nine two,
nine and two. Barry Soaper's next sixteen away.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
From five politics was centric credit. Check your customers and
get payments certainty. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Listen, if you're a Contact Energy customer and you've seen
your power bill go up, it's not going to bring
you any pleasure. Me to tell you that Contact Energy
has just reported a record net profit of four hundred
and twenty three million dollars will get you some analysis
on that. After five thirteen Away from five, Barry Soapers
with us I Barry.

Speaker 10 (25:09):
Good afternoon, Heather, when we make the poll of polls
well interesting. Chris Hipkins ruling out Winston Peters today, that's
one for the book.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
After he ruled Winston Peter's out last week, and after
he ruled Winston Peter's out of the last election, and
under Winston Peter's ruled him out definitively, and.

Speaker 10 (25:24):
Winston Peter's analysis of that has just come out breaking news.
Hipkins has severe learning difficulties, and I think that's probably
about the extent of it. But if you look at
the poll of polls, the opposition of Labour, the Greens
into Party Maldi, they only have a three point two

(25:45):
percent probability of being able to form a government, so
very low. And though the Opportunities Party into that, they
are now looking at seventy six point six percent probability
of entering parliament, so they look as though they will
be a new player on the block. But even then,

(26:06):
if they're added to the Greens, Labor and Party Mali,
they still only look at about thirty one percent chance
of forming a government had the coalition parties been willing. Interestingly,
that's the current coalition partners to offer the possibility of

(26:27):
the opportunities talking to them, which they couldn't anyway, because
ideologically their polls apart. It would then for the current
coalition to be returned rise to ninety five point six percent.
It's quite incredible, isn't it really, But that's not going
to happen. So the chances are that the coalition government

(26:48):
probably will be returned. But if you look at the
pole of polls, even the current coalition would have sixty
one seats compared to fifty nine for the other side,
so they would interestingly coming out today, there's been speculation
about what the caucus vote was when Chris Hopkins moved

(27:10):
a vote of confidence in himself Chris Luckxon Chris Sorry, Hipkins,
Well maybe he should start doing it as well, but
luxem yes, well so luck So. The one figure I
saw was twenty seven twenty two. That figure, of course,
is totally confidential because these votes are always in secret.

(27:32):
So where that came from, goodness only who knows. But
it just is interesting. I'll say nothing more than that
that it comes out at this time.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
Well you can't just say that. And then there's two
things that's interesting about it. The first is that it
shows that the caucuses actually split almost down the middle right,
because it's only.

Speaker 10 (27:50):
For if you believe the figures that have come out.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
Yeah, I don't know who's been quite right. No, unless
you see the figure, you have to take them at
their word, whoever them is. The second thing is, though,
the fact that that is out now is telling because
it's designed to undermine Chris Luckson at a time when
he is kind of weak and wobbly.

Speaker 10 (28:09):
I still don't believe that they will replace Chris Chrispin
Chris Luxon, get it into your head, Chris Luxon the
side of the election.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
I think it doesn't matter whether you believe they're going
to do that or not. But the fact of the
matter is that it's out there. Suggests that somebody is
trying to Destabi.

Speaker 10 (28:24):
Look, I'm sure there's always tongues wagging, and when he
makes the old fluff, of course, they waged much faster.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
So you hung out with him in the Corral club yesterday.

Speaker 10 (28:36):
Not at all. Well, that was a funny story actually,
because I was talking to him the phone. Luxon took
the phone and said, this is very Soper's answering servers,
and you would rather Curt to him I've got and said,
get him to call me, and I hung up on it.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
Have to talk about that later, very very quickly. What
do you make of the some business of no tax
on working people?

Speaker 10 (29:05):
Well, I found that extraordinary. No tax on working people, well,
the only tax that they'll be looking at. Apparently if
you listen to the National Party at the moment, in
particular Chris Hipkin Eluxen, then you would say that they'd
look at petrol tax even though they were planning to
do it. They were going to bring in twelve cent

(29:29):
elite tax from January next year and followed up by
incremental increases six cents and four cents. But that's unlikely
to happen, according to Chris Luxen now because you know
we're facing harder times. But look, any petrol tax is
a tax on working people.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Of course, it is the tax on working Well, you
can't avoid.

Speaker 10 (29:53):
You have to pull up at the part cerently.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
Very thanks, very much, appreciate a very so for senior
political correspondent who will go away with two pictures of
the chrises and learn which one he's talking about.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Eight away from five it's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive
full show podcast on Myard Radio powered by News Talk ZEBB. Fearless, Focused, Informed.
It's The Mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 17 (30:16):
Steven Joyce, former Finance Minister of Courses, back with us.
The National Party's reputation though in announcing what they did yesterday,
is they have borrowed more and they haven't got us
to surfle. So do they have a reputational issue?

Speaker 18 (30:28):
No, I don't think so, because most people will realize
that when the government's got up ahead esteem that it
actually takes a.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
While to unline it.

Speaker 5 (30:34):
I mean, you need to remember.

Speaker 18 (30:36):
The big lift in spending that occurred in twenty to
twenty three is phenomenal and winding that back is not easy.
So you've got to bend the curve down. That's what
we're talking about doing here. That's what the government's talking
about doing.

Speaker 17 (30:50):
Back tomorrow at six am The Mic Hosking Breakfast with
Avida News Talk zeb Right.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
I'll tell you the story about the Prime minister. So
yesterday the husband was trapped in Wellington and it was
getting irritating for me and he was like, landon way,
I'm gonna tank, get on the six forty five or whatever.
So I thought I'll just call him and find out
what flight is he on. So I called him and
some bloke answers his phone and goes, hello, this is
Barrisobers Answering Service and I said, oh hello, who's this

(31:16):
And he said this is Barriosobers Answering Service and I said,
oh yes, and he said can I take a message
for you? And I said yes, please? Could you please
ask him to call me? And then I hung up
on that person because I find those gaps. Do you
not find that irritating? It irritates me no end when
you ask somebody a reasonable question, who is this? And
they got here? Well, then they called back. They were like,

(31:39):
oh hello, it's Chris Luxen.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Do you know what?

Speaker 3 (31:42):
I haven't even apologies and then we had a chat
and then I forgot to say I'm sorry, because I'm
not sorry for hanging up on him. So anyway, that
was the time that I hung up on the Prime
Minister in twenty twenty six and didn't feel sorry for it.
Don't play games like that. It turns out I'm not
the only one with the sickness. Like everybody's got it hither,
not just you. We've got three kids were fed up,
Heather six weeks in counting, Heather, I've had it for weeks.

(32:03):
I want to go to bed by six thirty. Me too, mate,
but I've still got half an hour of work to do.
So good lucky you that you can go to bed
at six thirty. Heather, I have a two Heather, same,
I've had it for about six weeks. Crappy cough. Heather
also had it. Don't waste your money at the doctors.
They're going to tell you to take lots of oranges,
water and panadole. Cousins in Ireland say it's a sixty
day bug, Lord, of what am I ants? If it's

(32:25):
six times seven week seven? What's that? Forty two days?
So I've got eighteen more to go? So I've got
another three another three weeks? Cool, no problem? Who cares?

Speaker 14 (32:35):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Listen, have you heard this lady selling houses? Heather from hard.

Speaker 7 (32:38):
Courts, Hi, Heather from hardhourts.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Here just put the for sale sign up on.

Speaker 5 (32:44):
This little cutie. Oh look at it.

Speaker 15 (32:46):
Three bedrooms, modern kitchen, modern bathroom.

Speaker 7 (32:49):
Separate to with it.

Speaker 19 (32:50):
It's all here, it's neat, it's sweet, it's easy to heat.

Speaker 5 (32:54):
See you at the open home.

Speaker 7 (32:55):
This weekend.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Heather is Internet famous. It's Heather, not Heather Heather. I'm Heather.
Its Heather with an A at the end. Heather from
Harcourts and hawks Bay is Internet. That clip has got
two million views. She is going to be She is
a sensation now she is going to be with us
quarter past five. But next up, let's have a chat
to Local Government New Zealand to find out how many
councils have actually submitted plans to the government for the

(33:19):
old amalgamation. News Talks VB.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather Duplassy,
Alan Drive with One New Zealand awarded New Zealand's best
Mobile network.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
News Talks MB Good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
The deadline for councils to submit their amalgamation plans was
last night. At last count forty eight councils were planning
to submit a plan and seventeen were planning to abstain.
And now the decision on what actually happens is up
to central government. Her head Starts is the President of
Local Government New Zealand and of course the Mayor of
Gisbon And with us hider head Hi Heather.

Speaker 19 (33:57):
Those numbers correct stage, We do know that I think
your numbers are approximately correct. We do need to first
find out from MSERT who they submitted it to which
ones will be accepted. Some councils might have been part
of two of those submissions. So the numbers the clarity,
and that will come out later in the week from
the government.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Why would any council abstain?

Speaker 19 (34:21):
So every single council participated, but some councils just could
not get it across the line, either with their neighbors
or after they've spoken to their communities, they decided not
to be part of the head start process. Because we
do need to remember this is a two pronged process.
Some councils can take part in the head start process,
but there is also the backstop process, which include unitary

(34:42):
authorities like GSPIN to then later become part of this process.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
Is it not okay? Just explain the heat start process
is simply you yourself decide what's going to happen to you.
You submit your plans, the backstop processes you haven't submitted
any plans, the government decides what it's doing to you.

Speaker 19 (34:59):
At this stage. That is what the government has told us.
What we are asking them. We now know that several
councils have not participated for whatever reason.

Speaker 15 (35:07):
They did try.

Speaker 19 (35:09):
But also, like I say, councils like Gisbon and other
unitary authorities did not have to take part in the
head start. So we would love to have clarity about that,
what that backstop process means, and also ask us about that.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
Have you heard from any councils that they are going
to flat out refuse to comply with anything that's done
to them.

Speaker 19 (35:30):
No, I have. I'm really proud that the government put
out the challenge for us and it is a once
in a generation reform and every single mayor and council
and chair took part in some way. Like I say,
some could get it across the line for a head start,
some just could not get there. Some were involved where
a neighbor might include you. You might not agree with that,

(35:52):
but every single council took part in this. But some
submitted and some are then going to take part in
the backstop.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Right.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
So, now that we've all submitted, and we've all you know,
or at least some of them have submitted, the government's
going to decide by the end of September what happens,
what happens then ahead, how long is it going to take?
How long are they going to give you to actually
make that plan happen?

Speaker 19 (36:16):
So here that this I need to make it clear.
This is a government process and we have now answered
the call. We have leaned in and we would love
the clarity to know what are the next steps. We
do know that the government is going to closely work
with those Heatstart proposals and see how that can be
rolled out, because that is complex as well. Let's think

(36:37):
about Auckland. We it cost one hundred million dollars to
amalgamate the councils. But what we are asking for now
is for the government to give us for those backstop councils.
But most importantly for the government, which we are asking
for now, they can help us right now by changing
some legislation because here they're thirty one of those councils

(36:58):
who are the regional councils all part of the head
Start are legally required to at this stage consult with
their communities about representation, review what their council would look
like after twenty twenty eight, and they will not exist.
So it's a waste of asking that it's an absolute
waste of money and time of our community.

Speaker 7 (37:19):
So we are calling.

Speaker 19 (37:20):
On the government to step in and help us spend
great payers money wisely.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
Right, well, that's a fair question, and I'll ask Nichola
Willis on your behalf after six o'clock when she's with us.
Thanks very much, our heat storts, our local government. New
Zealand President and Mayor of Gisbon eleven past five ever
dupericy ellen So Contact Energy has reported a record net
profit of four hundred and twenty three million dollars. That
is up nearly twenty eight percent on last year. Fullsyth
Bar senior equity analyst Andrew Harvey Green is with us. Now, hey, Andrew,

(37:48):
hi hever, Is that about what you were expecting?

Speaker 20 (37:51):
Yes, it is, and there are I guess two main
reasons for why we have seen such a big increase.
That the main reason is that earlier financial year Contact
Energy are quite manure energy, which you may recall. And
then secondly, when we looked back at the last previous
financial year and the one end of June twenty twenty

(38:11):
five that was heavily impacted by the winter twenty twenty four.
So what we've seen this year is thermal generation costs
have gone down a lot, which has helped the bottom line.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
How do you like the idea of that data center
partnership in Taraanucky.

Speaker 20 (38:27):
Yeah, I'm actually quite positive about that for a couple
of reasons really. I guess for the partner, they've got
CDC probably the best Australasian data center developer. They've got
a great track record, they've got the customers. The site
that Contact Energy has there is also a very good one.

(38:49):
So you've got the grid connection ready to go, you've
got fiber connections ready to go, and obviously our Contact
brings to the party the generation side of things as well.
So not from a New Zealand Ink story, I'm actually
pretty positive around what data centers could do and I
think this is a positive step in the right direction.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Any take on whether we should be expecting lower power prices, well.

Speaker 20 (39:17):
It depends which particular power price you're talking about, but
if you're looking at residential prices, the big thing that's
going to be happening over the next few years is
the line's charges are going to continue to increase and
that will probably offset some small declines we're going to
see on the energy side of the equation.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
All right, hey, thank you Andrew, as always Andrew Harvey Green,
who's a fullsight bar senior equity analyst.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Hever do for see Allen I.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Meanwhile, the brains Trust in the South Wided Up Council,
led by fran While, decided to align with Wellington when
all the residents wanted to widen up a unitary authority
with Carterton and Marsterton. I've I've always wondered if the
reason that the people who make these decisions make these
decisions is because they own houses in Wellington and the
Wided Upper. If you don't know Wellington, you do realize

(40:01):
the Winded Up as like their big housers A. It's
like the Corrimandler is to Auckland. And sometimes I think
that they think that because they've got a house in
Carterton or wherever and in Wellington it's the same same
and so they put but it's not anyway, that's what
that is ultimately what I think is driving that decision.
I'm happy to be proven wrong. Brian Tammocky. Now I
don't know if you've watched this unfold over the weekend,

(40:21):
but Brian Tarmicky's gone. He's been emotionally all over the
show about the fact that he has. The police have
told him they are now finally and officially revoking his
firearms license, because before it was just a temporary suspension.
Now it's a full ban. And now he's kind of gone.
He's going through all the stages of grief, and the
one that he's act currently is that he's going to
take the politicians and police to court. Now you know
my history with Brian Tommicky, right, because last time he

(40:43):
was on the show, I kind of shouted at him
a little bit and hung up on him. I got
quite cross with him because I don't really like what
he's up to. Having said all of that and setting
aside how I feel about Brian Tummocky and his behavior,
I actually want him to take the politicians and the
police to court for this, because I this whole thing
does not put houseless sniff test for me as in Sundry,

(41:03):
as the language was that he used, I never for
one second thought that he presented a risk with his firearms,
and so I feel like this is political and I
feel like he's being targeted. And even though I don't
really like what he's up to at all. I want
him to take this to court and test this decision
and see if I'm right. Quarter past five, Hey, I've
got some big news out of BYD today. The ATTO three,

(41:24):
which is the most popular BYD in the country, which
by the way, has won heaps of awards, is getting
an upgrade. It's called the ATTO three EVO and you've
got three variants. You got the Dynamic, the Premium and
the Performance. And this means sharper styling, it means a
bolder front end of the vehicle and all new tail lights.
If you like your cars going fast, you're gonna like
this one. The Performance model, it does nought to one

(41:45):
hundred in three point nine seconds. It's all wheel drive,
three thirty kilowatts. All EVO models run on BYD's new
eight hundred volt architecture platform. And what that means basically
is that it used to take you an hour to charge.
Now it takes you twenty five minutes. How good does that?

Speaker 9 (41:59):
Tend?

Speaker 14 (41:59):
To?

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Eighty percent for the Premium and Performance variants. That's for
up to five hundred and ten k range. Pricing starts
from fifty nine to ninety nine for the Dynamic plus
on road cost. It's arriving at the BYD dealers nationwide
at the end of this month, So registeral interest now
at BYD Auto dot Co dot MZ.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Heather do for Cea.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Ellen h Prime Minister was on with Mike Hosking this
morning and said, oh, you know, the only three taxes
that considering, which is the bed tax and then the
fuel tax, and then they might also do a bank tax.
But within hours David Seymour came out and said none
of those are going to happen. So he's going to
be with us just after half past five. Standby for
that's nineteen past five.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Now.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
I don't know if you realize this, but there is
a whole world out there at the moment of real
estate influences. These are agents who advertise properties through pretty
wild videos. The latest star is Heather from Hardcourts who's
in Hawk's Bay.

Speaker 7 (42:48):
Hi Hither from hard Courts here. Hi, I'm Hither from
Hard Courts.

Speaker 21 (42:52):
Hi here from hard Holes here, Hi hit the from
Hardhurts here.

Speaker 7 (42:55):
Hi Heather from Hardhourts here.

Speaker 21 (42:56):
And I cannot wait to show you five Collins Streets
in White Power.

Speaker 7 (43:00):
It's so cute, it's so charming. What an easy commute.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
There's a lot of action going on here wait for.

Speaker 21 (43:05):
It, wait for it, office over three hundred and fifty.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
Now Heather has got a lot of followers, and she's
made it onto the Herald in an article, and Heather
Edwards is with us high Heather.

Speaker 21 (43:16):
Well hello, and I believe you were named Heather too.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
So thos where we are winning twins? But how I'm
here the stock standard spelling with an eer? How do
you end up with an a at the end?

Speaker 5 (43:28):
Oh?

Speaker 21 (43:28):
What a boring story that is. I don't know whether
you love your name, but you know, thanks Mum, thanks Dad.
Absolutely faking hate it. I believe I was called off
a knitting patron or something, but I hated it and
they said it'll change your name then, And so when
I was about six, I put an A at the
end and it kind of stuck genuinely.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Okay, So and the decision, a decision you made as
a six year old is still a good decision, but
it just is.

Speaker 21 (43:51):
And you just get on with it and yeah, it's fine.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
How many followers what, Yeah, I'm happy with it or
you're happy with it? All good? How many followers of
you now on the social media oohad to me here
that somebody said to me more than twenty thousand followers
on Instagram, which is pretty impressive. That's correct, is it?
I think so?

Speaker 21 (44:14):
Yeah, I know it's over twenty one, but I didn't
realize it was impressive.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
But okay, I think I'm new to this stuff. I
have no idea what I'm doing. It's because I do
in real estate. Your videos are a bit wacky. What
inspired you to go wacky with your videos? Crumbs wacky?

Speaker 21 (44:29):
That's just me being me, lots of I guess. I
get a lot of feedback that people like things because
they're real. They're not sort of overly enhanced or AI
or overly scripted or plastic.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
Yeah, it's just real. Do you read it? Does it
actually get your property some profile?

Speaker 22 (44:45):
Like?

Speaker 3 (44:45):
Is it actually working for the vendors?

Speaker 14 (44:48):
Well?

Speaker 2 (44:48):
I think so.

Speaker 21 (44:49):
I mean twenty eight wat Street, which went absolutely crazy.
I think that's hit nearly two million views alone. It's
a modest it's in little three bedroom home and white power,
and yes, certainly I've got buyer interest in that. And
it's interesting that you get off social media. I'm picking
up investors asking sensible questions and wanted me to see

(45:10):
all the information.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
Interesting. Is it true that you got recognized in Melbourne
the other day?

Speaker 7 (45:15):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (45:16):
By home?

Speaker 21 (45:17):
Yes, a complete unknown random on the other side of
the street.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
A kiwi in Melbourne or an assy it was.

Speaker 21 (45:23):
It was a Keiwi.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
He's been there for a few years.

Speaker 21 (45:25):
Apparently he couldn't wait to rush over the street, nearly
got himself squashed in the process to let him to
let me know that he was from Bluff originally.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Oh brilliant, I'll got on your mate, will best of Like,
how's the market?

Speaker 7 (45:35):
By the way, The market's too long?

Speaker 21 (45:38):
Quite nicely in the last thirty one winters. Winter's always
been my busiest time a year.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
That's bizarre.

Speaker 21 (45:43):
Why I don't question it? I don't know where I
mean every I can't answer for the whole country. Every
different area is completely different than one's having a busy
time and one isn't for me. I don't know whether
it's a combination of summer and Hawk's Bay. It's too hot,
school holidays, you've got all the rallies, you're on holiday yourself.
You've just looked at your Christmas credit card bills and

(46:05):
decided not to do anything, but it just is and
it certainly it's a good time to look at a
property because you're seeing it at its absolute worst.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
That's too right. If you can sell her house and winter,
then you're a good agent. Hey, thank you very much, Heather,
appreciate her. Heather Heather from Harcourts and Hawks Bay. Heaps
of them out there. Have you seen the guy with
the angel wings who flies around and does drone shots?
So you've got to go look at him as well.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
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Speaker 3 (46:44):
Heather Heather from Harcourts was on ABC Australia last week.
She's dominating airwaves. She's certainly getting a lot attention. Five
to twenty five. Now listen, I feel the need to
warn you that there are attempts at the moment to
get the Chris Luxe and leadership thing going again. There
is a lot of talk coming out of way Ellington
again about whether the NATS need to roll Chris Luckson
again after his horror week last week, where he had

(47:06):
to apologize for the small business comments and then he
copped flat for using the Defense Force aircraft, and then
he derailed a good news day by dropping the MMP bombshell. Now,
people talking in Wellington is not really a sign of
a looming coupe. But what I think is suspicious is
that The Herald ran a story over the weekend suggesting
that the confidence vote that Chris Luckxon had called on
himself back in April was split twenty two to twenty seven.

(47:28):
Politic dot co dot MZ today is running that the
vote was actually twenty one twenty eight. Now, I don't
know if either of those things are real, But the
point of it is, why is it that a number
that has been kept secret for four months now all
of a sudden making its way out. Why is someone
within National? It has to come from with the National.
Why is someone within National circulating numbers that show that

(47:49):
Luckxon's leadership came down to maybe only three MP's who
had they switched sides, would have ended his days as
Prime minister. Why because someone's trying to start it up again,
aren't they? Because of the week that he had. There
are texts and phone calls happening again. Matthew Houghton is
going hard again, hard enough to make me feel like
he's trying to force this thing to happen. Erica Stanford
has clearly positioned herself to look more like a leader

(48:09):
if it does come to it, and the opinion pieces
in the weekend papers were excoriating of Luxen. Now, I
wish that I could say to you right now that
he doesn't deserve the criticism he's getting. But the truth
is that he scored own goals all week last week, right,
and the NATS the next taking a risk sticking with him.
They are because the last week suggests that he is
going to make a lot of mistakes between now and

(48:30):
the election, and God only knows what that's going to
do to their polling.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Now.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Personally, I think that they have left it too late
to roll him. I think they need to stick it
out with him now. But clearly there are still forces
within the National Party who disagree with that position and
think that they can roll him. And I think what
you're seeing right now is that they are testing the
waters to see if they can get.

Speaker 11 (48:49):
A roll on.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Heather do for see Allen thinking of reading.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
The papers of the week, I was reading the Sydney
Morning Herald. I'm sorry to say, but the Sydney Morning
Herald has said that the look for women right now
is basically skeletal, as in Ariana Grande Scaltal. They've written
a piece. They say, as men are encouraged to look
SMAs and take peptides to get larger and more imposing,
to drive their muscles into hard edges and plane their
chins to strong manly angles, women are shrinking. The extreme

(49:14):
of the late Naughty's body positivity movement has now swung
to the other land of the pendulum. And apparently the
new look for women is really, really, really skinny. So
have a chat to your daughter if you can. It's
not okay to look like you're a skeleton. News is next.

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They'd be.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
Look a little listen to us as per usual on
a Monday after six and we have huddles standing by
We have fellow Riley and Joseph Ganni this evening. It's
twenty four away from six now. Within hours of the
Prime Minister this morning naming the three taxes that he'd
like to pursue next term, David seymol just said a
flat note to all of them. The taxes are a
hikes to fuel tax, a version of a bed levy,
and a tax on the bank's. David Seymour was obviously

(50:12):
the leader of the AX Party and with us Hi,
David Hey, Heather, no to all of them.

Speaker 5 (50:19):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 23 (50:20):
The reason you don't introduce new taxes is that they
always start off as a teeny weeny tax on a
few people you don't like anyway, and over time they grow.
Income tax was introduced at five percent on incomes of
over three hundred pounds, which at the time was enough
to buy a small villa in Grayln and of course

(50:42):
now we all pay up to eight times that tax rate.
And it's just a perfect example of why you say
you're going to put a back a tax just on banks.
That's okay, but we all know that the customers will
pay that. You say that it's just a tax on
foreign tourists. But the truth is it's also a tax
on the motel and hotel industry, and so it goes on.

(51:04):
So the first thing you do, don't introduce new taxes
and work out how you make better use of the
money you have.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
Okay, what about the fuel tax increase? No to that too.

Speaker 23 (51:14):
No, that's not a new tax, but it is an
unusual tax that it's not a percentage. The fuel tax
is at seventy cents on every litter. It's been the
same since twenty twenty. If it had been increased just
with inflation, it would now be ninety cents a letter.
And you have to ask yourself, are you prepared to

(51:34):
see potholes and roads that don't go ahead and burn
more petrol sitting in congestion because you've got a tax
that is in sense rather than a percentage like every
other tax. So I think reasonable people would say, yeah, okay,
we do actually need to change that from time to
time where there's inflation. But I certainly wouldn't introduce new
taxes precisely because once you get one, you end up

(51:57):
seeing it increase over time.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
You said that you've already stopped three taxes this term.

Speaker 23 (52:02):
What are they, Well, there was supposed to be a
stamp duty on houses brought by foreigners. The National Party
campaigned on that. I knew that if a stamp duty
was introduced on houses brought by foreigners would only be
a couple of election cycles till it was a stamp
tax on everybody. We don't want that. There was publicized
at the budget we've just had that there was going

(52:23):
to be a tax on banks that has been stopped.
And there's also been persistent rumors of a tax on
tourists staying in motels, a so called bed tax. The
truth is that tourists already pay more on GST than
they take out. The government has one hundred and forty
odd billion dollars worth of revenue. If we're really saying

(52:45):
that we can't have a few boats sailing on the
harbor with one hundred and forty billion dollars of revenue
they've already got unless we introduce a new tax. I
don't think that the government is taking people's money and
our fiscal future.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
Seriously, are you guys going to lose this election?

Speaker 23 (53:01):
David, Well, that's up to the voters. But the last
poll I saw had us ahead and frankly, if we do,
then the real victims will be young people in New
Zealand who see higher and higher debt which will be
paid off in tax with interest at some future time.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
Because at the moment, if opportunity make it, and given
that the Prime Minister has ruled out working with opportunity,
if they make it in this is a left wing
government that's warming, isn't it.

Speaker 23 (53:30):
Well, there's always lots of ifs. And we could also say,
if you know, they start to face the scrutiny they deserve,
people are going to say number one, these guys are
hard hard left, not center. And number two, they're not
actually what they've presented themselves as. And there's only one
thing worse than hard left. There's hard left that try
and misrepresent themselves. So it could be a very long

(53:52):
twelve and a half weeks for those guys. But hey, look,
I'm here to say two jobs. Number one, lock labor
out and the ACT Party I can certainly say better
than anyone that we're not labor, never worked with labor,
and we're not labor light. And our second job is
to unlock New Zealand's potential because this country's got huge potential,
but we stuff ourselves with excessive government, too much, waste,

(54:15):
too much spending, too much rules and regulations. And while
they don't claim the current government's perfect, I am very
proud of the role that the ACT Party has played
in cutting red tape and we reckon for everybody that
voted for us last time, we've cut fifty seven thousand
dollars out of the government budget. I reckon that's good
value for a party voted more people should give it
to ACT.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
David, Thanks very much, appreciated, David Seymour, ACTS Party Leader.
Nineteen away from six.

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Speaker 3 (54:45):
In the huddle of us this evening, Josephgani, Child Fund's
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Business New Zealand chief executive. High you turn Hello, how
you doing. You've seen the polar polls today, Josie.

Speaker 24 (54:56):
Yeah, I was just listening to David Seymour. Than everybody's
ruling everybody out, aren't they. It's like Love Island. In fact,
everyone's working tunity.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
So think about this Opportunity now has a seventy six
point six percent probability of entering parliament. So that's greater
than greater than fifty to fifty that it's there. If
it's there, it's a chippy government.

Speaker 4 (55:17):
Isn't it.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Yes?

Speaker 24 (55:17):
So, And if you look at slow to aspect, yeah,
And if you look at who's voting Opportunity now or
who's supporting Opportunity now in those polls, it's it's very
much labor voters. They're urban, they're sort of urban liberals there,
so they're cannibalizing Labour's vote, probably some of Green main
well the looks of things, yeah, but also labor. Labour's

(55:39):
gone down, and that's there's a reason for that. So
it's interesting that that I think the Prime Minister and
National rule out Opportunity because they identify that they're going
with labor. The problem with that is that if they
are going, Opportunity hasn't ruled them out. So if they
need Opportunity they're going to have to negotiate with them.
But yes, it doesn't the probably so your poll of polls, Heather,

(56:01):
though it's still got even an opportunity to get in,
it's still a more likely scenario that the coalition comes
back phil that's rights.

Speaker 11 (56:11):
Josie's right in fact that there's a million opportunity. There's
a million things that could happen in the polls right now,
which is really what the poll of pole stuff is
telling you. There's twenty or thirty permutations out there right now.
But Josie's absolutely right. What the Opportunity Party is doing
is fundamentally taking votes off off the left because their
policies are relatively left actually, I mean, that's the reality

(56:33):
of it. And so you could easily see Labors vote
going down and even with an Opportunity Party in Parliament,
and really the improbable thought of a four party coalition
that really would be quite interesting, and they still lose
the election. They still lose because the center right gets home.
The one positive out of this, I suspect for Prsepkins

(56:56):
will be if he does deal with Opportunity, potentially he
doesn't have to do or with to Parti Mari, which
who are of course going to scare some of those
but liberal voters are no criticism to Partom particularly, but
it'll scare some of those voters, and so maybe that's there.
But Opportunity Party is potentially more of a negative to
the left that it is to the right and electoral
terms because of that that voter shoe that Josie's talking about.

Speaker 24 (57:18):
But it's interesting, isn't it, because the support for opportunity
is very much a vibe rather than anyone's going I
want a UBI universal basic income and what it's kind
of like the protest vote at the moment. So National
and Labor just haven't quite made the sale, and so
people are going, well, I don't want to go with
New Zealand first moments, I don't like what Winston said

(57:40):
in Parliament.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
I'll go for opportunity.

Speaker 24 (57:42):
So I think, you know, the pressure on National and Labor,
both of them, to come up with something that's going
to get the attention. And also I think rather ruling
out each other as parties, they should start ruling out
the policies. I mean, you know, will Labor rule out
a poor was on data centers and banning fertilizer, Will

(58:03):
National rule out acts no more new taxes?

Speaker 10 (58:06):
You know?

Speaker 24 (58:07):
So to start, well, will everybody rule out universal basic
and come from opportunity parties so that the light is
going to go on Opportunity Party policies and people should
start ruling out policies, not parties too.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
All right, guys, we'll take a break, come back and
talk about this taxes business.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
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Speaker 3 (58:29):
Right, you're back of the huddle, fellow, Riley, Joseph, Guardy, Phil.
This this business about talking about the taxes is weird,
isn't It's backfiring on the nets, isn't it.

Speaker 11 (58:37):
I thought it wasn't a strange asume. And if they're
going to say we're not going to put any texes
on them, they sort of say.

Speaker 7 (58:41):
We might, we will.

Speaker 11 (58:42):
And the fuel text actually does actually hit everybody in
New Zealand he us as a car or a truck.
So it was a very strange thing to say and
I and it kind of got them on the front
page of the news when really they should have been
prosecuting labor and top on these other guys to say,
look at them, they're they're putting textes up. The one
the one big issue for me was in fact the tourism,
the bead levy, because actually that's not a tax that

(59:04):
will be collected for local for central government, that'll be
collected actually for local government. It's the councils that want that.
And I actually think in many ways they've got a
bit of a point about side of the councils. I mean,
the best example is Queenstown where tourists use all of
the infrastructure that's sitting in Queenstown and all the strain
of the infrastructure there and in fact Queenstown Council doesn't

(59:24):
get a bean for that. They in fact the government
gets all the tax out of it, the GST and
all the rest. So if it was actually the debate
to be had, and I know Wayne Brown and Orkland
says the same thing, there's a debate to be had
about this. I don't think it's a silly thing for
the Nance to say they might do that and that's
not much of a tax on working people in reality.
So I think there was a debate. But I thought
the way that that's put it was a bit ham fisted.

(59:46):
I thought it was a bit it was just an
unhopefully put it, because that put the term to light
back on them to say, I'll see you can have
some more taxes here.

Speaker 5 (59:52):
What are these taxes?

Speaker 11 (59:53):
And of course you good people in the media spent
spent last to twenty four hours asking them every question
which is put out on.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
The left like this was like a mirror of what
they did yesterday. Right, So we're talking about we're supposed
to be talking about how Labour's going to tax us,
instead we're talking about how the Nats are planning to
tax us. In yesterday, they go out there with the
budget responsibility rules in order to kind of, you know,
show how they're going to be all, you know, fiscally responsible,
and all it did was, just as Thomas Coglan said,
underscore their failure in doing the thing that they had

(01:00:21):
announced three years ago.

Speaker 25 (01:00:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:00:23):
I mean, I think their whole campaign on tax has
been weird. Yeah, I mean I know what you're saying, Phil,
go out and go, oh, the other side are going.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
To tax more.

Speaker 24 (01:00:30):
But actually, when you look at the IPSOS polling, all
anyone cares about, or at least three quarters of the country,
it is cost of living. And you're not really dealing
with that in a campaign where you're going, look, how
bad the other side are going to be. They're going
to tax, tax, tax you. It's not talking to that
key issue, and then you've got a quarter of the
population who don't have cost of living even in their

(01:00:52):
top ten. So you think, wow, we're a really divided
country at the moment, and it's like national and put
themselves on the side of the quarter that don't worry
about cost of living and they're talking about, you know,
the other side. It's not a direct match though, Phil,
Like if you think about what the Burnham government's done
in the UK, where they've gone right, we're a cost

(01:01:13):
of living government and we're going to take the tax
off pubs and we're gonna and we're going to give
you some we're going to pay for your power bills
or whatever. It's not particularly direct, but I do think
that Luxon made quite a good job this morning on
Hosking where he explained in a sense their whole theory
of growth right, which is that prudent management, slow the

(01:01:33):
rate of spending and no new taxes, et cetera. The
problem with that message and that theory is that it hasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
It hasn't worked yet in three years. Listen, Phil, that
was a tough weekend for Luxe and in the papers,
I like he got ripped to shreads didn't.

Speaker 11 (01:01:48):
He much and he needed and I thought the apology
to small business was correcting to do. And I was
talking to a small business audience the day after those comments.
I think too, after those comments were made and after
you apologize, and it was there was a feeling that,
you know, that was pretty tone deaf of them. But
you've got for apologizing. And he moves on, and let's

(01:02:09):
hope he has a stronger week this week. From his perspective,
I guess to make sure that he starts getting back
to the kind of words and phrases that he needs
to use in order to justify himself.

Speaker 5 (01:02:20):
But you're a tough week, no question.

Speaker 23 (01:02:22):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
And somebody's coming for him, right JOSEI. They're putting out
the numbers of about what happened in that caucus. But
he will survive this. Don't you think it's too late
to change him.

Speaker 24 (01:02:30):
I don't think it's too late. I mean, I wrote
a column about this over the weekend. I think if
they don't make a change, the country will. And that's
that's the challenge that national is facing. I think they've
been facing it for a long time.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Whether anyone think they don't lose the election, well, if
they don't change him out, yeah, I do you look
you reckon, I send to left government will come in
now they won't necessarily.

Speaker 24 (01:02:49):
Lose the election. But of a week National particy and
a coalition is a problem.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
And I think a week National party and a coalition
is a good thing, Josie, because they are they are
just break. They don't want to do anything. So at
least if you've got a big New Zealand, first big act,
they'll force change.

Speaker 24 (01:03:05):
It's cats sort of chicken her egg.

Speaker 26 (01:03:07):
Right.

Speaker 24 (01:03:07):
If you if you're not going to get a big
vote as national if all you've got to say is
the other side are going to tax you too much? Right,
If you can't articulate a plan and say something, then look,
I look at the one thing I look at is
the billboards, and they're not really putting Luxeon to board.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
So I can hear you just panting go to.

Speaker 11 (01:03:26):
Say that to say that this government is a handbreak.
It's one of the most reforming government through.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
I said the National Party is a handbreak.

Speaker 11 (01:03:36):
Chris Bishop has been behind much of that reform.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
Actually one of the most performing hundred percent. I'm going
to there are carve outs here I'll go carve out
Chris Bishop, carve out Eric Stanford, carve out Todd McLay
with this trade stuff. The rest of them are doing
bugger all.

Speaker 11 (01:03:50):
Well, welcome to governments. There usually are one or two
reforming ministers.

Speaker 7 (01:03:53):
And that's really good.

Speaker 24 (01:03:56):
That's really good argument for a smaller cabinet.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
Actually, let's just be honest.

Speaker 24 (01:04:00):
I have a small cabinet of the people who are.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Just hate and Bush and Todd. The end, we're going
to leave her there. Thank you so much appreciated. Joseph
Ghaney and fellow RALEI a huddle this evening. Seven away from.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
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Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Here that JOSEPHEGANI is a very bright woman. Why on
earth she a lefty? That would be because Josie is
still Josie's old school labor. You know when labor back
in the old days, like you really stops, like stop.
I'm not talking about ten years ago, I'm not even
twenty Like cast your mind back into the seventies and
eight well even later, Yeah, seventies, sixties, fifties, Remember when

(01:04:41):
labour actually stood for the working man and was like
a class party. That's what Josie is. Josie is still
someone who believes in the working class needing a party
to represent them. So she's kind of like she's old
school labor, which explains it because I think a lot
of us would be would be chill about being old
school labor, like, yeah, let's go look after the working man.

(01:05:01):
What we've got at the moment is a party that's
been captured by by wacky people, academics and stuff like
that has gone a bit funny. And by the way,
we'll talk about that. I don't have time to talk
about it now. But Opportunity is going to make them
go even more funny because it's going to start copying
Opportunity that I think that that's where they need to go,
so they'll go even further away from the working class.
If you're working class, the only people you can vote
for basically is New Zealand first. By the looks of things,

(01:05:22):
I reckon. I'm prepared to admit this now. I reckon.
I called the FIFA thing wrong, so they said nothing's
going to happen. The FIFA World Cup was a success.
Move on, Oh, they're coming for Infantino. If you haven't
caught this, the latest installment is that his lover was
paid more than one hundred and fifty thousand pounds to
leave you wafer. So what happened over the weekend is
we found out he'd been he'd had a little sly

(01:05:44):
little one on the side who was working at FIFA,
and then she started getting rapid promotion through FIFA because
of course old daddy Gianni was looking out after her.
And then he got busted. He got busted having his
bit on the side, and they were like, what are
you going to do about it? Jianni, He's like, get
rid of her, and so they got paid her out
to leave. But now somebody's leaked all of this information
just when he's at his weak as point. Oh wow,

(01:06:06):
it's just like politics and theirs and it's terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
By the way, I don't know if you caught this
in the release of the National Party list over the weekend,
but it looks like enjoy the last days of Melissa Lee.
By the looks of things. She's dropped to thirty over
the weekend, which is an unsurvivable list ranking. It is
unsurvivable on the current polling she was thirteen in twenty
twenty three. Unless she wins Mount Albert, which is possible

(01:06:30):
that she could come through the middle of I'll mate
from the opportunity party in Helen White from Labor who's
a bit useless. She could come through the middle. She
might still be there, but otherwise enjoy the last three
months of Melissicas. Bye bye. Nikola Willis is with us.

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Speaker 22 (01:07:23):
Hi, Heather, it's great to have you back on the show.
Than you've been unwell. Hi, I've missed you, I've missed you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
Have you though, there's very kind of you to say
that listen, I want to talk to you about these taxes. Okay,
So the Prime Minister said this morning there are three
that he's considering making changes too, which is the fuel
excise tax, the new bed tax, maybe a bank tax.
Is that it? That's the exhaustive list.

Speaker 15 (01:07:46):
That is it.

Speaker 22 (01:07:47):
That is the exhaustive list. And what your notice is,
there's nothing new there. Those are things that you've already
heard from the government about and so we're simply being
straight with people. It's already documented that as a cabinet
all three part parties of the Coalition agreed with Auckland
Council as part of our deal with them that we
would explore the option of an accommodation levy. That's already

(01:08:09):
on the record. We've already been straight with people that
the three year moratorium we put on any changes to
fuel tax does need to come to an end at
some time. The timing of that is yet to be
decided by cabinet. And then on bank taxes, as are
three parties in the coalition, we agree to a prudential

(01:08:30):
levee which we announced at the budget and at that
time I was candid that I would keep looking to
make sure there wasn't anything else that needed to be
tidied up in the taxation of banks. So three issues
we've already been very open and upfront about, and I
can be very clear with you that there is nothing
that we are considering that you haven't heard about. We
are a party that believes in low taxes, as low

(01:08:53):
as they can be, and we can keep that commitment
because we're not out there splurging the cash, unlike the
party who oppose us.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
Okay bank tax. What's the point of.

Speaker 22 (01:09:02):
It, Well, the point is simply to make sure that
the banks are facing fair taxation. And so while I've
been behind the desk, the IID have worked with them
on a couple of issues. One was to deal with
where their branches are and how tax is treated there.
They actually worked through a consultation process with them. Some

(01:09:24):
changes have already been made. The second with the prudential levy,
is bringing them into line with other financial institutions who
pay for their regulation via the Financial Markets Authority and
the Commerce Commission. In our judgment that it should be
the same with the Reserve Bank.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
Fair enough, so if you given yet another tax on
top of the on top of the prudential levy, and
you say that's about fairness. What is unfair about the
situation with the banks at the moment they're paying the
same as everybody else.

Speaker 22 (01:09:50):
Well, let me be clear, haven't decided to do anything extra,
but given the experience we've had in government of when
we did look under the hood of what's happening with
taxation of banks, we did see those two anomalies and
we do want to be clear that there aren't any others.
There are still some features of our taxation of the
four big Australian banks that are different from the way

(01:10:14):
they are taxed in Australia. So I've been upfront that
I'm continuing to look at that because the same principle applies,
which is I don't want working New Zealanders facing higher
costs because of new taxes, and so I have to
work through that, look at that, make sure that that
wouldn't be the result.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
Did you guys make a mistake yesterday and rennouncing your
budget responsibility rules?

Speaker 22 (01:10:37):
No, because those are critical to the foundations of our
finances and frankly, the fact that the opposition parties won't
even commit that getting debt down is a good idea,
won't even commit that getting the books back and balance
is a good idea, and won't commit that only by
keeping government spending under control can you keep deep taxes low.

(01:11:01):
Is a glaring problem in the selection campaign, and I'm
going to keep doing everything I can to shine a
light on those issues because I think they're pivotal. I
don't think any New Zealand wants their government running up
the credit card the overdraft and then turning around later
and saying, oops, sorry, the debt collectors are here.

Speaker 7 (01:11:19):
And we're all in trouble.

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
Is the problem here, not that you're going to say, oh,
they're not prepared to do it, but you've had three
years you haven't done it either. And all that's going
to happen is every time you talk about this, everybody's
going to point out and go, well, you failed too.

Speaker 22 (01:11:31):
Well, I'm sorry, but the last government tripled debt in
real terms, doubled it as a proportion of the economy.
And to somehow call a false analogy that I've done
the same thing not true by any stretch of the imagination.
If you look at the final year for which labor
was responsible twenty twenty four, net core crown debt that

(01:11:54):
year was forty one point seven percent. The only year
for which we have full financial results twenty twenty five.
Net core crown debt for that year was forty one
point nine percent, so zero point two percent higher on
our watch. Heather, So to somehow say that that is
the same as Grant Robertson, who doubled the debt from
under twenty percent to more than forty percent, I just

(01:12:16):
think is a really I think it's fair enough.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
Like what you're saying is they are really bad. We're
only just a little bit bad, but you're still bad.
You haven't managed to get us into surplus, which you
promised you would do. You've hardly managed to bend down
the debt curve, and you haven't got core crown expenses
under thirty percent, which you said you wouldn't.

Speaker 22 (01:12:32):
Well, unsurprisingly, I disagree with your analysis because I think
given the situation that we have inherited, where one the
Treasury had completely overestimated what would happen with the economy
and our following COVID two, the global tariff for three
global oil shocks the most.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
Excuses as well. In Nicoler, they also make what I.

Speaker 22 (01:12:54):
Didn't make an excuse about and what I took complete
responsibility for was our discretionarycenting in my operating allowances far
far smaller than any Grant Robertson ever delivered, and in
fact was smaller than the operating allowances we campaigned on
every operating allowance smaller. In fact, last year's operating allowance
was more than.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
A billion ran ero budget, and that's possible. Spill englished
it well.

Speaker 22 (01:13:19):
He did it before there was superannuation costs going up
at an extreme rate. He did it at a time
when the population needs in the health system went as great.
He did it in a different time. And I stand
by the fact that we have put more funding into
the health system. We have put more funding into our schools,
we have put more funding in for the police, for
our prison service.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
Labor could run out. That's all I'm saying is that
if you keep on, if you keep running this thing
with labor, you point one finger at them, full fingers
point back at you, right.

Speaker 22 (01:13:49):
And I will keep pointing out to you that it
is a false analogy to say that I am the
same as Grant Robertson, when those numbers are so materially different,
and when they still have an eighteen billion dollar hidden
bill of unfunded promises. So far they've come out with
two major new taxes, capital gains tax and completely destroying them.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
I'll degrie for that. Listen, I have to ask you
a question on behalf of her head stots. She says,
there are thirty one councils who are obligated right now
to go to the to their members of the rape
paers and do what they call representative reviews right which
is basically just asking them, hey, what do you think
we should look like in the next few years, And
she says it's utterly pointless and alwayte hundreds of millions

(01:14:32):
of dollars across all of the councils because none of
these councils are going to exist. Would you change the
law to stop them having to do this?

Speaker 22 (01:14:38):
Well, that sounds like a very practical problem that Raheat
is raising. I'm not the Minister for Local Government, so
I'm not going to give you a policy announcement on
the hope that I will certainly when I get off
you send a message raised that with him, because it
does seem like something if we can, if we can
do something practical on that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
We wanted to ask Simon about that, but Simon Simon
doesn't like to come on the radio some times when
there's difficult days like today. So if you pass it
on to Simon, I'll owe.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
You every day is a good day.

Speaker 22 (01:15:06):
Heither no is it a good day when you're getting
to govern the country.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
You go tell us that. Hey, thank you, Nicola, I
appreciate it very much like after yourself. Nichola Willi's finance minister.
I'll give you the numbers really quickly while we're hear
ends at X fifty up about half a percentage point
today ASX fifty about down the same today. A barrel
of Brent crewd is costing your eighty four US dollars
and one New Zealand dollars worth fifty nine USNS eighty
three he sens fifty one euros since forty four ukpens
and ninety three yen sixteen past six. Hey, now, one

(01:15:32):
thing I've noticed is when the property market slows, people
start looking at what they can do to improve the
home that they've already got. And one of the biggest
transformations that you can make is in your kitchen. And
that's why I think you do it. Kitchens are really clever.
They've been doing kitchens for fifty years and they've worked
out how to give people a custom made kitchen, but
without that eyewatering price tag. And what I like is
that you're not stuck with the standard sizes. Their U

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your space. Trust me, you want this right, You don't
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Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
Here the duplessy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
Listen, I've got to tell you. We've got a former
ZERU executive who started a jewelry business. It's online only.
He says being online only is really hard because people
don't trust online anymore because of AI. So he's going
to be with US after half past six. Right now
it's nineteen past six and Shane solely harbor asset managements
with us A Shane, Hello, Right, how the market react
to Contact energy today?

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Wow?

Speaker 25 (01:16:44):
The contact result today was pretty solid. They delivered a
bit of a billion dollars even death profit, which is
in line with the expectations be a cost control of
sitting with low hydra. They gave guidance for twenty twenty
seven of just over one point zero four or five
billion forty two cent given and there was in line
with expectations. The underlying business humming along nicely. They denounced
some good development generation activity, including quite a chunky Tahura

(01:17:08):
Stage two which is fifty to seventy megawatts. But the
big news today was the announcement of a deal with
Infuto owner into owned Camera Data. Seen is to develop
a two hundred and fifty megawatt data center using contacts
excess capacity from its retired TCC plum Stratford and Taranaki
to potentially supported by solar battery. So this is going

(01:17:28):
to be a massive new development for Taranaki if it
comes through. So it's pretty goodly stages. Yet we don't
know all the finance structure, maybe that Contact has to
put some equity into that development. Contacts Sheep price actually
ended the day down one point two percent to eight
ninety seven. Stock has been a bit weak Heather going
into this. A couple of things driving that wholesale electricity

(01:17:48):
prices are falling a little bit of political scrutiny and
the potential for Infrator to sell at stake and Contact down.
So I think certainly that chunky potential data seenter development.
Maybe the market just grappling with that as well. That
if Contact has to invest in that, that'll be a
fair few dollars. So a good result but not enough today.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
Now why the mark of not like the WISPAC announcement.

Speaker 5 (01:18:12):
Yeah, yeah, so WISPEC.

Speaker 25 (01:18:14):
It was a quarterly update, third quarter update for twenty
twenty six. They delivered a net profit result of Australian
one point eight b in, which is a pretty good number,
quite solid lending and deposit numbers, strong need interest margins.
The update was broadly anne with expectation, but unfortunately Westpac
management provided quite a cautious outlook statement. They're talking about

(01:18:35):
housing credit growth fallen from just below seven percent to
just below five percent for the next year and that's
off setting in strong business lending. And then they're also
talking about need address margins coming out of pressure in
mortgage and deposit pricing.

Speaker 10 (01:18:49):
They noted.

Speaker 25 (01:18:49):
WESPEC management noted that mortgage applications are down twenty percent
since the Australian government's budget in May. But that's when
they talked about changing capital tax capital gains tax settings.
Know what that's like and is on and so that's
seen the housing market really show some signs of slow
look of the truth also is banks sheep price valuations.

(01:19:09):
They're pretty high. They're well above the average DUDO. A
lot of buying by the osy of super funds who
have to cling onto that benchmark pretty closest. They're quite passive.
So yeah, rolling over at earnings momentum, that was enough
to drive the WHISPEC ship RICE down five point four
percent to day to thirty five eighty nine. I was
We've got CBA out on Wednesday and AMS instead quarter
out on Thursday, so we'll be looking for confirmation if

(01:19:32):
they're slowing TRINA earnings for banks.

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
Interesting stuff. I look forward to that. Okay, Shane, thanks
very much mate. We'll look to it. We'll chat you
again in a week's time. That Shane Solly, Harbor Asset
Management six twenty two.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
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Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
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Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
Why do you take such a hard line when you're
interviewing the most sensible finance minister have had in years?
That is a fair point. I mean, after six years
of grant, anything is sensible. Frankly, AI would be sensible
after six years of grant. It's because but you have
a short term memory, if your years only count the
six years before that. It's because I am consistent on this.
Nikola has not cut enough. We have as many public

(01:20:25):
servants now as we had at the end of the
just in the years and they promised they would cut
like there is no reason under God's under the beautiful
skies that God has created for us for us, they
had that many public servants right There is fat to
be trimmed. That is not being trimmed. There is debt
to be reduced and costs to be reduced, and there
simply isn't any excuse for the level of spending that

(01:20:46):
we're seeing at the moment. That's my consistency. Now, Poor Patrol.
If you have kids under the age, or have had
any kids preschool age, you'll know Poor Patrol. The Poor
Patrol has been around for thirteen fourteen, fifteen years, something
like that. Anyway, apparently it's really there are people that
the economists has got a yarn on it at the moment.
You could go read it on the Economist if you
want to the dark underbelly of Poor Patrol. Don't be fooled,

(01:21:08):
says the Economist. Some say the cartoon heroes of Poor
Patrol are covert outriders for authoritarian capitalism. It seems to
have come from a Guardian commentator who's got like a
bone to pick with Poor Patrol big time. Because there's
six pups and Sky is the last one who comes
down the chute. She's the only girl, and she's they've
really gone hard on the girly stuff. Her pink, her
outfit is pink, her eyes are pink. Then there's Chase,

(01:21:31):
the top Dog is a police pups, so the whole
thing is pro police coppaganda. And then the poor Patrol
of freelancers and the mayor has to defer to them
the whole time. So it's a sly advert for privatized
state services. In short, fulminated a Guardian commentator, poor Patrol
is authoritarian, neoliberal propaganda and an academic reckoned. It encourages
complicity in a global capitalist system.

Speaker 27 (01:21:53):
See fun Poor Patrol.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
That's right, that's literally what they said. They did say that,
it's how the article ends. Calm down. It's a TV
show for kids who are under the age of five, six,
twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
There's no business like show.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
Business now, just the youth thoughts that reality TV couldn't
go any lower. Oh yes I can. The Double Lives
of Suburban Wives is a show about a group of
women in Saint Louis over in the States. And these
women on the outside seem like wholesome wives, but they
all share one big secret. They do only fans.

Speaker 15 (01:22:25):
On the surface.

Speaker 13 (01:22:26):
It may look like we are typical housewives, but we're not.

Speaker 15 (01:22:29):
Behind our perfect suburban lives are the secrets nobody seats.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
How are you doing?

Speaker 7 (01:22:38):
I was a teacher. I was struggling being on food stamps,
not having the place to live.

Speaker 15 (01:22:44):
I was a registered veterinary technician.

Speaker 10 (01:22:46):
I was full time as a nanny.

Speaker 7 (01:22:48):
I'd wake up before our son. I would get back
in the last hour of his day.

Speaker 9 (01:22:52):
What can we do to make the most money that
gives us the most time with our families?

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
Now, what's interesting about this is that the women then
break the news to their family members and their friends,
and the cameras roll on all of it. One of
the women apparently made five thousand dollars just for filming
herself having a shower, which is like return on equity.
That's pretty good anyway. Premiers Today over in the States
on TLC, which is also known as the Learning Channel,
Lolls talking next to Liam Whittaker about his new jewelry.

(01:23:21):
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Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
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Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and Mass Insurance and Investments,
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Speaker 26 (01:23:39):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
Gavin Gray's we mus out of the UK and ten
minutes time. Jeez, I'll tell you what the police in
New South Wales will be feeling. A bit stinct today.
Yesterday a couple of guys found a suitcase on the
side of the road about fifty kilometers south of Goldburn,
went to the cops with it because what they saw
inside looked like a person, and the cops went public
with the fact that there was a person's body stuffed

(01:24:04):
inside a suitcase, and so they were going to be
launching a homicide investigation. Today they had to clarify that
there is not a person's body inside the suitcase. It's
just a life size doll. So at least I wrapped
that one up within twenty four hours, but it's probably
not something they wanted to go have to go public
and admit. Twenty three away from seven now, as was
telling you earlier, former Zuru executive has launched a new
business to shake up the jewelry industry. Air Rest is

(01:24:26):
an online store where you can design and you can
customize your jewelry before you buy it. And because the
jewels are synthetic, you will save yourself a fair chunk
of change as well. Liam Whitkt is the founder and
the CEO of airst and with us now.

Speaker 15 (01:24:37):
Hi, Lim, hey here there are you going very well?

Speaker 3 (01:24:40):
Thank you now? Why the move from kids toys to jewelry.

Speaker 7 (01:24:43):
Ah, I actually took about a year off.

Speaker 28 (01:24:46):
I had some personal health issues that I was dealing with,
and I was in Bali and came across this category
and thought that no one's really given it a good
shake up, and thought I could take a lot of
my operational learnings from a business like Zoro and really
try and challenge the categor equo.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
And what is it that you were challenging? Is it
what people were buying these these stones form what they
were selling them for.

Speaker 7 (01:25:08):
A bit of a combination.

Speaker 28 (01:25:09):
I see the category as divided into the two different
main competitor sets. You've got the legacy brands that obviously
have unlimited resources and the infrastructure to kind of build
anything they want on a global scale. But I'd argue
that they don't really obsess over the customer in a
way that the modern day jeweler does. Who's more of
an independent and they're using things like these lab grown
diamond technologies and doing innovative designs at a far more

(01:25:31):
affordable price. But they can't really impact scale and change
because they are independent and they don't really have the
sophistication to kind of build a global business. So I
think from my sort of experience and background, I've kind
of been been brought up in a business where you
have to think large, and we've kind of had a
global ambition from day one. So if you basically take

(01:25:52):
the idea of leaning into a digital experience, putting customers
at the heart of everything, we've got a two hundred
and fifty thousand different designs that people can do. On
day one, every decision you make is completely financialized, so
you know the cost of every single decision you're making.
And I guess because we don't have physical retail stores
on a day to day basis, we can drop about
forty percent out of our P and L and we're

(01:26:12):
investing a large portion of that back into price points
for customers to make it more accessible, as well as
just really obsessing on a best in class digital experience.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
Difficult to be online only.

Speaker 28 (01:26:21):
At the moment the way, Yeah, I think consumer sentiments
probably at an all time low. I mean that's probably
a little bit hyperbolic, but certainly not far off. And
so I think that's why you see us leaning into
things like pop up experiences. So during fashion week, we're
down in Brita Art and so for a week we're
taking over a space people can come in, try products on,
see things.

Speaker 7 (01:26:40):
Word of mouth's being massive for us.

Speaker 28 (01:26:42):
So over the past twelve months, just through my own
personal Instagram and I'm by no means of celebrity, we've
done about six hundred thousand dollars in sales. It's clearly
from friends and family buying product and then telling their.

Speaker 7 (01:26:52):
Friends and family.

Speaker 28 (01:26:53):
So I think the network effects really important, but I
think showing up in physical presence is going to be
really important throughout the calendar year for us.

Speaker 7 (01:27:00):
It's just not a staple to our business.

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
Well good on you. Somebody was saying that part of
the problem with being online only at the moment is
there's a real lack of trust in what you're seeing
online because AI has kind of confused people. Are you
experiencing that?

Speaker 28 (01:27:13):
Probably not to the level I've certainly seen it, and
that's something we've been incredibly diligent on. I think everything
that we're doing is still centered around emotion and human
and so you look at the quality of the content
that we're posting, it's very premium and very well executed,
and certainly we're not leveraging AI content creation at all.
We're leveraging AI in parts of our operational business model

(01:27:35):
to make us more efficient, but I think at a
creation level, we've got to keep things pretty authentic.

Speaker 3 (01:27:39):
Yeah. Now, talk to me about the synthetic stones, right,
because what is the point of a synthetic stone? Is
it going to hold its value? Is it going to
be an airloom.

Speaker 7 (01:27:50):
Yeah, it's a really interesting question.

Speaker 28 (01:27:52):
And I guess our brand, being called Eirist is all
around creating future airlms. And I see natural diamonds versus
synthetic diamonds or lab on diamonds is a really interesting conversation.
If you look at America, for example, in twenty ten,
zero point three percent of engagement rings were made with
lab grown diamonds. Last year it was sixty one percent. Wow,
So the adoption rate is huge. And these diamonds, like

(01:28:13):
calling them synthetic versus lab or natural or whatever, it's
that they're structurally, chemically and optically identical to their mind counterparts.
The only difference is the process in which they were created.
So what you're finding is an IGI or a GIA certification.
If you're finding a diamond of one spec versus a
lab or natural that is the exact same product, but
you're probably paying it a twentieth of the price, but

(01:28:37):
ten to ten to twenty percent of the.

Speaker 7 (01:28:38):
Value of a natural stone.

Speaker 28 (01:28:40):
I think that to your exact point, though the maid,
there isn't an emotional argument behind natural stones versus lab
for sure, and that's why we're not leading with engagement
rings within our business because I think that's a harder
job to be done versus like you know.

Speaker 7 (01:28:55):
Air rings, bracelets, necklaces.

Speaker 28 (01:28:57):
But the argument around a guess economic erosions becoming less
and less credible, I'd argue because if you look at
the price of lab diamonds, they're now a tenth to
the price of what they were ten years ago. You
could pay two thousand dollars for an equivalent natural stone
of ten thousand dollars, and if you lose one hundred
percent of that value, which you wouldn't, you've.

Speaker 7 (01:29:16):
Lost two grand.

Speaker 28 (01:29:17):
You walk out of a store with a natural diamond
the exact same spec, you've probably lost forty percent, So
your net loss is now greater. So I think it's
like an interesting perspective with how that the market's now shifted.

Speaker 3 (01:29:28):
Make good luck with it. I hope you go global
and do all the things you want it. It sounds like
a really great idea. That's Liam Whittaker, airest founder and
CEO eighteen away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
Together do for see.

Speaker 3 (01:29:39):
Well, if you listen to the show on the regular,
you'll know I'm a little bit obsessed with Kyle sanderlanz
Kyl is that If you don't know who I'm talking about.
Kryla's the Australian radio host who was on like a
ridiculous contract. It was like ten million dollars a year
something that's so stupid at Kiss FM in Australia and
then it all and he was just outrageous and they
put up with outrageous behavior from him until he did
the one thing that was not really that outrageous, and

(01:30:01):
then all of a sudden it all fell apart because
they were looking for an excuse to get rid of
him because he was too expensive. He has just launched
his own radio show online this morning. It's called Kyl
Sanderlan's Live and it was a total cluster. This is
how it started.

Speaker 4 (01:30:15):
The goldin microphone is on.

Speaker 9 (01:30:21):
This is my We're off to a clunky start. Everyone
hirookly brand new Kyle Sandland's live programming. It is a
new invention. It is live, and it's a digital mess
behind the scenes.

Speaker 27 (01:30:38):
Yeah, I mean I can't even like, you know, it
all went so.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
I just can't hear I can't hear any.

Speaker 16 (01:30:49):
By the way, bring.

Speaker 7 (01:30:52):
You can hear me. Hey everyone, I'm good.

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
We're back. Yeah. Now, the but where I was going
to start talking is because I set to Sam, the producer,
Sam pop it in so we can listen to it.
That he didn't tell me that he cut out all
the silence because there was a bit there. Honestly, it
would have been about fifteen seconds worth of silence where
if you're watching the video, you can see Kyle talking
sort of gesturing and lifting his headphones up, and nobody
listening to the radio could hear anything at all. Sam

(01:31:18):
just did us, did us a solid and cut out
all that silence. Nobody needed to listen to it anyway.
This is I think the thing started off at six
after about At about seven this morning, Bruno, who's in
the control studio, said he wanted to restart the whole thing.
He wanted to shut it all down and start it
up again. Andyone cut all the audio cut, all the lights,
shut down, the screens, reset the thing. I don't know

(01:31:38):
whether they did it or not, but then they had
it in that, so you think Jesus isn't worth it
for the content. They interviewed New South Wales premiere Chris Mins, Wow,
Celebrity Psychicked, John Edward and Pauline Hanson. So I don't know.
I think it's one of those cases where when you're
on the big platform it's brilliant. Take it off the
big platform, but tarfe bit tough. You thought you were

(01:32:01):
bigger than Kiss, but no one's really bigger than the station?

Speaker 11 (01:32:04):
Are they?

Speaker 23 (01:32:05):
Are they?

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
Quarter two?

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For You, Update for You on the Bremworth drama which
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partial takeover. This is Munga Fhi Collective, which is David
Ferrier's outfit notified the nz X this morning that it's
considering buying up to fifty five percent of Bremworth currently
has about twenty twenty percent. It would the offer would
be about twenty million dollars. Ferrier is quite a key

(01:32:49):
person here Farria. It was his opposition that ultimately killed
the deal with Godfreyhurst. So'll keep an eye on that.
Twelve away from seven Gavin Gray, UK correspondents with US, Hello, Gavini.
Daniel Kinahan story is fascinating. A.

Speaker 26 (01:33:03):
Yes, it is somebody you may never have heard of,
but he's among the world's most wanted men. And indeed,
the Kinahan cartel is estimated to have made more than
a billion euros globally from its activities and often. Actually,
the US Treasury Department has compared it in the past
with the Yakuza in Japan and Italy's Camora. So we're

(01:33:25):
talking a big, big deal here, with a big reward
of five million New Zealand dollars five million US dollars
being offered by the US alone for information leading to
his request. Now, he'd been in the United Arab Emirates.
He had been arrested in April, but after all this time,
he was finally extradited back to Ireland amid very very

(01:33:46):
tight security. Indeed, the Irish Prison Service had bought a
bulletproof and bomb proof van who used to escort prisoners.
Such was the high risk being considered here. But he's
been charged. We directed the activities of a criminalogueanization between
October twenty fifteen and April twenty seventeen, and there was
just a thirteen minute non jury hearing. There was a

(01:34:08):
special criminal court and he will be remanded in custody
until early October.

Speaker 10 (01:34:14):
So a lot of.

Speaker 26 (01:34:15):
People are going to be interested in seeing how much
it comes out of the future court case. But part
of the allegations against him are that this long running
gang lang feud between the Kidderhans and another group had
claimed at least eighteen lives.

Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:34:30):
Why is the gloss coming off bank Seedin.

Speaker 26 (01:34:33):
Well, it is for some obviously. Banksy the street art
is very well known. His works of art worth hundreds
of thousands of New Zealand dollars and they are painted
on buildings. And that's the problem because when they're painted
on buildings, of course some people think, well they're valuable.
I can take them from there. But how do you
get them off a building, particularly when they're a building

(01:34:57):
of historic significance, as has happened a couple of times
here in the UK. And it's been revealed now that
actually the last three artworks, or three of the most
well known recent ones anyway, have cost the taxpayer over
three hundred thousand New Zealand dollars in cleaning operations and security.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
So far.

Speaker 26 (01:35:16):
The most costly one has been at the Royal Courts
of Justice, one of the UK's most senior courts, as
it were, it is an historic building and there appeared
a very good and a very amusing one of Banksy's artworks,
but already fifty pounds over one hundred thousand dollars trying
to remove the paint from the wall. A further seventy

(01:35:39):
eighty thousand New Zealand dollars spent on overtime and security
costs because of course they don't want anyone just turning
up and trying to chip away at it. So I'm
afraid that, yeah, the gloss of Banksy for some anyway,
is beginning to diminish. Others are saying they should be
just left where they are, But where we've seen that
in the past. Often others come up and try and
remove it and it can lead to damage, particularly concerning

(01:36:02):
when it is a historic building.

Speaker 3 (01:36:03):
Interesting, I'd be happy to have a bank see on
the side of my house. Gavin, thanks very much, appreciate it.
Gavin Gray, UK Correspondent. Now do you remember I told
you some time ago about the Ministry of Health getting
angry with Stuff over the stuff quiz? Remember this, young?

Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
So this was.

Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
Have I got Have I got things to tell you
about this? Okay, So just to refresh you what happened
as Stuff did a stuff quiz and it was just
like something Playboy magazine question blah blah blah. And on
the back of the Playboy magazine was an advertisement for
cool Siggi's like as in kool, which never have sold
in New Zealand, and even if you wanted to buy them,
you'd have to go back to the nineteen eighties. Well,

(01:36:41):
somebody at the Ministry of Health decided they were going
to prosecute stuff over this stuff has done in OA
and you would not believe the time that these numpties
wasted on it. Turns out the reason that they spotted
it in the first place is because members of the
Ministries Vaping and Tobacco Regulation Team have a weekly meeting
where they do the Stuff quiz during wasting time back
to work, during which a staff member assessed the image

(01:37:02):
as breaking the law. So they decided to then go Stuff.
They did go Stuff. They sent a legal letter to Stuff.
It was not signed out, which later turns out to
be a problem because they should have been signed out.
But do you know how they they had a twenty
two minute and thirty nine minute at twenty two minute
thirty nine second meeting on teams to have a chat
about the legal letter before they sent the legal letter out. Anyway,

(01:37:24):
then they sent it, and then of course Stuff went
back to them and was like, bugger off, this is ridiculous.
And so as a result that and then they thought
that that's not appropriate, not appropriate the way Stuff's responding.
So they spent all of this time mucking around and
trying to decide whether they were going to do it
or not, and the in the end they decided not
to do it, and they sent a letter to Stuff
and apologize for misjudging the situation. But I and I'm

(01:37:46):
only touching on like I'm telling you that that just
the high level detail of what was what time was
being wasted here, and the internals and the back and
forths and the week long emails in amongst the Ministry
of Health about prosecuting stuff. Could I suggest that this
is evidence of too many staff, Like if you have that,
if you have if you have that much time, that

(01:38:06):
you could get together and do the stuff quiz together
and then then chat about it for twenty three minutes
whether you want to prosecute them or not, and then
email for weeks on end about it. I think you
might need to fire some staff. Some people are looking
for work. Seven away from seven, David's emailed me and said,
I need to take zinc. Apparently zinc is the thing
you need to take so you don't catch the lurgie
which I have, which is coming up seven weeks now.

(01:38:27):
David says he never gets cold off who's never even
had COVID. I mean, David, you might not actually be human,
You could be AI. But he went and collected somebody
from a friend, drove them to co a coor hospital.
They had turns out influenza A. He didn't even catch it.
So you go zinc. Now, what about this okay, I
love this. I love this. The first known Australian cyber

(01:38:48):
attack that's been done by AI without somebody actually telling
AI exactly what to do is a chap called Andrew
asked his AI to book him a spot in one
of his gym's morning classes, and they're really hard to
get into the classes. The AI assistant found a way
to book the gym class months further in advance than
the gym actually allowed, and then because it discovered a
v honorability in the booking software, and then it went further.

(01:39:10):
It kicked somebody off the waiting list so that it
could put Andrew on the waiting list, which is not
something that he wanted them to do. He was alarmed.
He said to the chat can you undo this please?
And the chatbot said, bad news, I can't add them back.
Sorry about that. I should have been more careful with
the test and used a dry run approach rather than
a live call. You're currently sitting at waitless position number
three for that Friday class. Won't touch anyone else's spots. Weird,

(01:39:34):
creepy just a little bit.

Speaker 27 (01:39:37):
So we're going to end with a song called Hope
to kind of change the tone on that one Hope
by Fat Freddy's Drop, because Fat Freddy's Drop have announced
that they're going to be playing two shows at Nelson
I Think Actually Yeah. Nerdof Vineyards on Saturday the sixteenth
and Sunday the seventeenth of January twenty twenty seven is
to celebrate the anniversary of their first album, Based on
a true story. It's twenty one years old and so

(01:39:58):
this was the last track on the album, Hope.

Speaker 3 (01:40:01):
Just beyond Marriage, Still thinking about the way I tried
to take your mind off.

Speaker 27 (01:40:06):
It was a nice song.

Speaker 13 (01:40:07):
I didn't my best story.

Speaker 3 (01:40:08):
That's coming for your man, It's coming for you, creepy,
see you tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
Hope for Generation, just beyond marriage, not beyond mysel, Hope Forageneration.

Speaker 1 (01:40:27):
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