Full Show Podcast: 11 August 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
Duplicy Allen Drive with One New Zealand awarded New Zealand's
best Mobile network News Talks EB Afternoon.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Welcome to the show coming up today. Thomas Coglan of
The Herald on whether Chris Luxon has the numbers to
remain Prime Minister tomorrow. Chris Hopkins, the Labor Party leader,
on the small business policy they've announced today, and we're
going to tell tell you all about the new obesity treatment.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Heather Duplicy Allen.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Well, as I warned you last night just before half
past five, they are coming for him again. The roll
is on for Christopher Luxe. And I didn't think it
was going to happen this fast, but I knew it
was going to happen after I got off the radio
last night seven o'clock at ramped up. Thomas Coglan wrote
a piece late in the evening for The Herald confirming
that National MPs were again phoning each other about his leadership. That,
by the way, for people like Grant who've already text

(00:51):
me asking me if I'm happy with the situation, is
not the media create get off that bandwagon. It is
not the media creating the situation. The media and not
forcing the MP to try to roll him. This is
the MPs trying to roll him in the media only
telling you what is happening. He wasn't creating the situation,
He was merely reporting on what was going on. Other
media who were behind Thomas on this then started phoning

(01:12):
around found out yep, Thomas was right, and started reporting
on the situation as well. It became quite overwhelming today
the level of reporting on it. As a result, the
Prime Minister could no longer ignore what was now out
in the open and he called a caucus meeting which
will happen tomorrow at nine thirty in Wellington. MPs have
already started landing in Wellington for that meeting. I think

(01:34):
you would be a fool right now to say which
way it is going to go tomorrow, because there are
about seventeen and a half hours between now and half
past nine tomorrow morning, and MPs who are in the running,
and there are multiple MPs who consider themselves to be
in the running for leadership. Those MPs will be using
every one of those hours within reason, to try to
get the numbers for them. There will be horse trading

(01:55):
between now and nine thirty tomorrow. There will be promises
of jobs, loyalties will shift. But what I would say
is that it is going to be very hard for
Chris Luxen to survive this, because how do you survive
two of these in less than four months? Does Chris Luxon,
Let's just say he does the amazing thing tomorrow and

(02:15):
against all the odds he manages to survive. Does he
have any authority left after that? I also think he
is very close to losing the numbers, if he hasn't already.
I have counted by myself three loyal Luxeony MPs who
have left him. Two of them have joined Erika Stanford's camp.
One of them has joined Chris Bishop's camp. If you've
been following this over the last week, you will know

(02:36):
that he only had a margin of three MPs in
the rumored twenty seven to twenty two vote in April.
He has lost by my account, those three MPs, and
those are just the ones I know about. He has
possibly lost more than that. As I say, I think
you would be a fool to say with certainty one
way or the other that Chris Luxen will or will
not be rolled tomorrow. But I don't like his chances.

(02:56):
I don't think this is looking good for him at all.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Heather, do for see Allen.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
You are welcomes away in and Grant hit me with it,
hit me, smit some more of it, blaming me, blaming
me for this. Nine to ninety two is the text
number standard text fees ofly. I'll read you Grant's text
in a minute. Now on to other things. The ACT
Party wants to make a major change to way the
way that tertiary students are charged for going to university.
At the moment, universities will generally charge all students what

(03:23):
they call a services fee. It's about a eleven hundred
dollars twelve hundred dollars a year. It pays for stuff
like oh week event, childcare services, sports facility, student media,
things like that. Act says this should this fee should
be made voluntary and every student should be able to
choose which specific services they want to pay for. Aiden
Donna Hugh is Victoria University of Wellington Students Association President

(03:43):
and is with us Hi. Aiden, good afternoon, mate, welcome back.
What do you make of this?

Speaker 3 (03:49):
We're a bit confused. Out of all the issues that
students have, you know, highlighted this year why this is
top priority? But I guess this is the boat we're in.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Do you hate it or love it?

Speaker 3 (03:59):
I have to be on the more in the hated camp.
We just don't really see how this would benefit us
as students or the university as service providers.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Well, wouldn't it save you money as students? Like you're
forced to pay it at the moment. If you're going
to VIC, you're paying twelve hundred over three years. If
you just do it a graduate, that's thirty six hundred
dollars you didn't have to pay.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Well, if they had their way, you'd pay more to
get less.

Speaker 4 (04:21):
Right.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
A lot of this is about subsidizing not only things
that I don't use, but to bring down costs for
everybody at economies of scale.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, well, what of these services do you use?

Speaker 4 (04:32):
Well?

Speaker 3 (04:33):
The free healthcare I use quite a lot. That's something
that's really beneficial, and even I know people have chronic
conditions that it's life changing. Careers, advice, financial support, hardship grants.
Is are all things that are covered by that?

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Are you telling me all students are contributing towards a
fund that then gives hardship grants to other students.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Yes, it's a separate fund at VIC. It's about thirty
two dollars a year.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Is a part of the services fee.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
It is charged like it, but it's not part of
the SSF. But they're both charged at the same time.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Do you not think that people should have the option
to say no, I don't want to pay for salient
or crack them, or I don't want to pay for
free doctor's visits. I'd rather go to a doctor that
my family goes to. To be able to have the choice.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
I think it comes down to the same principle where
you can't pick and choose your taxes, right, that's a
case of all these sorts of things. Well, I don't drive,
for example, but I can see why my taxes go
towards road maintenance. Or I don't smoke bad But if you.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Don't drive none of your Texas, what are you talking about.
It's only if you fill your car up with petrol
that your taxes contribute towards road maintenance. You'll literally exempt
from it.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Well, things like that, or you know, taxes on you know,
I don't smoke. I believe people should still have healthcare
if they did decide to. It's those sorts of arguments
that you won't be able to make it cheaper for
those who desperately need those services, all.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Right, and now would it not help to have about
four thousand dollars taken off your student loan at the
end of the end of your graduate degree.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
I mean absolutely, I mean it would help if that
was twelve thousand dollars such as fees free, which has
been removed. There are different ways you can go about
these sorts of things, but to get these sorts of
services that a lot of students rely on just makes
the whole experience worse.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, all right, hey, thank you, Aiden, It's good to
talk to you mate. This Aiden Donahue, Victoria, University of
Wellington Students Association President. I don't know how long that
business of the free healthcare has been going at university.
But when I was at university, which to be fair,
to be fair, was you know, more than twenty years ago. Now,
mind know, we had free doctors and I feel like
I paid a lot of money and had I known that,
I would have made amazing use of it back then

(06:35):
when I could have. And by the way, I did
go to the doctor today, and I'll update you on
that later, because this does apply to you as well.
Do you remember that more pork that was hit by
the car? Do you remember that story? Has happened a
couple of weeks ago, a little bit more than a
couple of weeks, when it was like the bird flu
had just arrived, and then a marked some guy ran
over a more pork and they called Doc and they said, oh,
run over a more pork and Doc said, hold on

(06:56):
a tick, hang on caller, blah blah blah blah blahhll it.
And the people were like, what kill the more pork? That, yeah,
bird flu, we can't take it in. Well, they didn't
kill the more pork. They gave the morepork to the
white couttle Bird and Animal Rescue who took it in
and helped it. Originally they thought the morepork had a
broken wing. It wasn't. It was just a dislocated turns
out more pork is now fine, has survived. The whole

(07:17):
little deal doesn't appear to have bird flu when is
off living its happy life. So in some cases, not
in all cases, but in some cases, maybe you can
ignore the authorities advice, don't don't this is does this
does not constitute what financial, medical, or any kind of advice.
Is quite anaughdy of me to say that, but just
bear it in. Mine could have passed.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
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Speaker 2 (07:45):
Chris Luxon has just landed at the airport in Wellington.
Spare a thought for him because this is what he's
having to deal with.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
Your pope, have you lost?

Speaker 6 (08:06):
Have you lost?

Speaker 4 (08:10):
Mate?

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Doesn't matter where who it is, that sucks having to
do that. Eighteen past four Good Sport.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
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Speaker 2 (08:20):
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Speaker 7 (08:22):
Sull Have a job, though, isn't it dealing with the
bloody media, mate?

Speaker 2 (08:25):
When you when your your job is on the line
and you haven't you haven't all these clowns asking and
I love some of these people in the media, but
they're all asking you about it. How much does that suck?

Speaker 4 (08:34):
Man?

Speaker 2 (08:34):
You can't even go away and cry and quiet to
do it in public anyway? It is part of the
job though, You're right everybody needs to hard enough.

Speaker 7 (08:40):
Okay say that, but anyway, carry on.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
All Blacks met the Sharks.

Speaker 7 (08:45):
What are you expecting the tab have got the All
Blacks at a dollar one favorite one, thinking that maybe
Shark's paying fifteen dollars ice chance and a hell of
actually winning this. It's a shadow test team. Hopefully lessened
would have been learned from the weekends match. But more importantly,
what I hope for is that the phalanx of refereeing

(09:07):
stuff keep their whistles stuffed in their pockets. But they
probably won't. They'll probably take center stage again and ruin
it for everybody that's the international referee.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
What you make of the I mean, if I don't
know how I feel about the All Blacks playing these
teams who they just smash around? What do you think?

Speaker 7 (09:24):
Well, they're getting some mileage in, aren't they? Before they
take on the spring Box. They need to have a
run around. They can't go over there fresh without playing
anybody and then just get thrown straight into the lair,
into the lions Den. It's not right. So they're taking
this fortation.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Of how I mean, is this because it's the spring Box?

Speaker 7 (09:43):
Yes, well it's a tour and it's a tour that
we just never have the greatest rivalry. It's it's something
we're really looking forward to see. You not want to
go into this half baked. If you're taking the time
and the money, let's face it, to go and take
on the best team in the world and they are
and they have been for the last few years. You
need to go there very very prepared. There's no taking

(10:03):
pop guns into knife fights there.

Speaker 8 (10:06):
There isn't.

Speaker 7 (10:06):
So they need this time to prep and I think
the South Africans they want to get an idea of
what this All Black team brings. So when it comes
to the first test manson a week and a half,
there's no way they can say, oh, a bit underprepared,
We're a bit undercooked. Oh we didn't quite have the
men we needed. They've got everybody there. Rennie has been
given every opportunity by inz Are to put Ford a

(10:28):
case that just maybe the All Blacks might be a
relevant threat come the World Cup. So they have to
do it.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Are we up at five am again?

Speaker 4 (10:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (10:36):
Well I try it. No, I maybe caught it the
five secret enough time to brew a nice coffee.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yeah, oh you think that?

Speaker 7 (10:42):
Maybe make a bit of breaky. See the kids that
do it? Can they make breakfasted or not?

Speaker 2 (10:47):
No? No way, honestly I'm still having no. I'm having
to bribe them to still. I have to buy him
a dog toy in the shape of a spider from
Bummings if he dresses himself five days, five times this week.

Speaker 7 (10:58):
So I don't worry than having buying a dog. I
think you've done really well.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
No, apparently we want a parrot, all.

Speaker 7 (11:05):
Right, yeah, okay, get in one of those African blues.
I think they live for like ninety years.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Paris, like I already lived with Barry. Soa there's enough
chat going on in the house, don't need it very
quickly tell me about Wellington Phoenix Women signing this Aussie player.

Speaker 7 (11:20):
She's not just an Ossie player. One hundred and thirty
six caps for the Matilda's and she's played four World Cups,
three Olympic Games. She's got the second most goals and
the second most appearances in the A League. She's led
the Brisbane Raw to two titles. She's a midfielder and
in fact her jersey is just being retired by the
Brisbane Raw. They hold her in that much esteem so

(11:43):
she's coming over to join Beer Priestman's team who have
already signed abe Er Sig. This is looking like all
hell a team that might be a window of a year.
They got to the final last year so and again
might be the last year we had beer priestsmen don't know,
but getting an all star attack up and running and
ready to go. In fact, she's playing for Sydney up

(12:04):
against Chelsea and she's in camp with a number of
other Phoenix players as well. And the reason she's over
here she's married to a Kiwi Kirsty, and Kirsty is
a former Fern. They've got two kids and they both
have Telly's. It's the Matilda's and Ferns tops. They don't
really know who they're going to back. They're calling themselves
ki Yossi, Yossie Kiwis. So come over here. She's come

(12:30):
over here and she said, oh, we've got to give
our kids a chance to support both sides.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
He does appreciate it. Stories cost you'll be back at seven.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
The name you trust to get the answers you need,
it's Heather Duper c Ellen Drive with one New Zealand
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Speaker 2 (12:51):
Hither Christopher Luxe and Saga. I've already sent a message
through to him to say I'm in full support of
him and his leadership as the National Party leader and
the Prime minister. Of those rogue national MPs. Don't come
into line and roll him, then I'm off to vote Act.
Tell you what it actually do? You know what it
actually doesn't matter, don't matter what you think, don't matter
what I think. The only people who matter now are
that what is it forty nine MPs including him who

(13:14):
we're going to go into that caucus room tomorrow and
they are literally going to be the ones. I mean,
they are going to be the ones deciding. It doesn't
matter what we think either who's going to get the job?
Is it Erica or Chris Bishop? There was some rumored Look,
this is what you need to understand about this situation.
It's very, very hard to be sure of what's going

(13:36):
on because these people are lying to each other, right
and so they and that sounds terrible, but they're basically
not telling each other the truth because, as I say,
there's all these weird little like things going on, little
loyalties changing, little horse trade and going on. So they're
not being honest with each other, and they're not being
honest with us. What I had heard earlier today and
what had been reported, was that Erica and Chris Bishop

(13:57):
and Erica Stanford had joined up in a ticket and
that they were going to go with each other. I
have subsequently heard, and I believe that they are not
in a ticket together. So they are so it's impossible
to predict. Are using impossible to predict what's going to
happen tomorrow. Could be Erica, could be Chris Bishop, Mark
Mitchell might put his hat in the ring. Who knows,
Maybe even Simi and Brown if he hasn't looked in

(14:18):
the mirror recently and realized he still looks like he's twelves.
He can't be the leader. It could be him. Maybe
Nikola will listenk She's got a role like anybody could
Maybe Chris, Chris Luxon's still there, who knows. If I
had to pick, I would say it would probably be
Erica Stanford, just because the noises I'm hearing from within
the caucus sound like people are coalescing around her, and
it sounds predominantly like Luxeon's loyal MPs are switching to her.

(14:42):
If there is a combo of Erica and Bishop, it
has to be Erica at the top. It can't be
Bishop at the top because, as my friend said via
text today, you cannot replace one Chris with another Chris
to go up against the third Chris. That is just
embarrassing for New Zealand. Like, we have got more names
in this country than Chris. We'll see how it goes.
Oh read you, I mean, there is so much. Gosh,
there's so much for me to tell you about this.

(15:03):
Here's another one. Another Chris is involved this same as
Chris Pink. It sounds like all the dirty work this
time around has been basically initiated by Chris Pink. On behalf,
it sounds like of Chris Bishop. He's basically the stalking horse.
Because you can't make the person who does the dirty
work cannot become the leader. You don't reward it. You
don't reward the naughty one with the leadership. So Chris

(15:23):
Pink was the stalking horse for Chris Bishop. So and
I thought Chris Pink was one of the loyalists to
Chris Luxen. So there you go.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
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Speaker 4 (15:43):
EDB you.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Gathered col das.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
Heather.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Correction, Samion Brown does not look like he is twelve.
He looks like a sixth former lining up to get.

Speaker 8 (15:57):
His Duke of Ed award.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
That affair I stand corrected. That is is a fair
boom to take up with me. Yeah, the bishop is
not going to get the leadership. He looks like he
dresses up and dresses out of an opshop. To be fair,
so did Boris Johnson, and that was not a problem
for me. Got there is. But I don't know, I
don't I don't understand everyone who's got a problem with
the way that bishop dresses. I think Bishop is just

(16:18):
there's just that guy. And everybody's got a friend like
that who looks like he's sort of like just woken up,
rolled out of bed and come into work. That's just Bishop,
That's just who he is. Anyway, Listen, I'm speaking of
all because we've got we just got it. We've just
got an absolute array of Chris's today that we're in.
We've discussed Chris Bishop, we've discussed Chris Penk, we've dis
discussed Chris Luxen. So that that leaves Chris Hopkins. So

(16:41):
let's chat about him for a hot second.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
Here.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
He's made another small business policy again today. This is
this is by my account, the third one since the
other Chris Lluxe and Chris's comments about small businesses, and
this time it was in the Little to Do It,
which is where the comments were originally made, so really
doubled down on that today, didn't the old Hopkins. Anyway,
This business is to this policy is to help small
businesses join the AI revolution. And of course, because it's

(17:04):
the labor Party, the only thing they know how to
do was throw money out a problem. So annual funding
for a two million dollar AI Small Business fund, boosting
AI adoption, and extending the AI Advisory Pilot to three
million dollars, and increasing the founder and startup support program
by four million dollars. There's just a lot of money
at the AI thing. Anyway, He's going to be with
us after five o'clock so we can talk to him
a little bit about all the money he's blowing on

(17:25):
that twenty three away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
It's the world wires on news talks, it'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
One hundred and thirty two people have died in the
big earthquake in Columbia. This man was caught up in it.

Speaker 9 (17:36):
It almost felt like an out of body experience of
just in, get out, get out, Sidney aising it there
actually is could be in genuine danger, which so like
switch flit terrifying.

Speaker 10 (17:48):
It was just Farry Ray scary.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
This man has lost his home.

Speaker 11 (17:51):
My parlament was three zero two and it was completely destroyed.
My wife was inside, thankfully, my daughter had left early
and so had I. I left early for work, and look,
this is what happened. We haven't been able to rescue her.
We don't know whether she is alive.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Or dad stateside. Trump has responded to Iran's demand for
war reparations. He said that he's now going to demand
some war reparations of his own.

Speaker 12 (18:12):
They asked for money for the damage that we've done,
and I said that's a good idea. Well, we're going
to ask for money for the damage they've done over
a fifty year period. Whether you go ss coal or
whether you go all of the people that were so
badly hurt, so badly wounded or killed many thousands of people.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
And finally, archaeologists in China have opened up a bottle
of finely aged craft beer. It's a sealed bronzer and
that was found in a tomb dating back to at
least two hundred and twenty BC. The beer was primarily
brewed with millet, and researchers say that when they opened
it up, it didn't smell too bad, so it was
very well preserved. We don't know whether they actually drank
any of their beer, mean, And that's a bit of

(18:51):
a risk, isn't it. Apparently it had turned a light
shade of blue green over the course of the millennia, So,
as I say, a bit of a risk.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
Internet all correspondence with ens and eye insurance, peace of mind.
For New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Muriolds was a correspondence for that Amas.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
Get a heather.

Speaker 13 (19:09):
I've had red beer in Japan, but that tasted quite
nice because it was quite contemporary.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Was that I had a red beer that was a sour?
Was yours a sar?

Speaker 5 (19:19):
No?

Speaker 4 (19:19):
Mine was? It was like a lager. It was beautiful.
I had it with fried oysters.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Oh, you Jesus. Obviously a meal that you could tell
me was this twenty or thirty years ago and you
can still remember it. Hey, I see the RBA is
giving you guys some reprieve and held the rates.

Speaker 13 (19:34):
Yes, indeed, and that was the view of economists well
in advanced ninety nine percent of them, well actually one
hundred percent of them said rates will stay at four
point three five. This is the cash rate. This is
the rate at which banks lend money to each other.
And why is this well softening inflation?

Speaker 4 (19:49):
It's still well.

Speaker 13 (19:50):
Above the Reserve banks target heather of two to three
percent employment.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
Well, it's weaker. The housing market easing.

Speaker 13 (19:57):
Quite substantially in Sydney and it's actually going up in
other capital cities. But after that budget decision, the big
markets of Sydney and Melbourne, it's certainly softened. Those budget
decisions that basically curtailed tax breaks for investors except for
new homes and tweak the rules around capital gains tax.

(20:18):
So look, it's a really mixed market, a really mixed
kind of bag. The Reserve Bank's been looking at for
the last forty eight hours and they've said, you know what,
We're going to hang on to the rate we've got
at the moment.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Hey, have you filled in your census form yet?

Speaker 4 (20:31):
No, I'm looking forward to them. After dinner with a
glass of red wine, I'll sit down.

Speaker 13 (20:35):
It's every five years we have the census. If you
don't fill it in, you're liable for three hundred and
sixty dollars fine, So most people do it. There's more
than twenty eight million people who will fill in forms
this year, either online or on the paper versions. More
than three million have already done.

Speaker 4 (20:52):
So.

Speaker 13 (20:52):
However, as I say most online, but tonight there's going
to be thirty thousand census workers and they're going out
across the country. The homeless people will be counted, people
in prisons, people in age care facilities and the like,
people in remote communities.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
So the idea is to get.

Speaker 13 (21:12):
A complete picture of how many people are in Australia,
their age, their housing situation, their employment circumstances, cultural background,
language is spoken, and so on. All these questions, but
also new ones about gender, your gender identity, and new
sexual preferences. So all of these questions are written there
to basically map out what demographers hope to achieve in

(21:34):
the next ten twenty thirty years pro fascinating.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Hey, what's going on with this American company writing angry
letters to businesses and bondo?

Speaker 4 (21:41):
Bloody hell.

Speaker 13 (21:41):
Look, the City of the Surf has been here in
Sydney since nineteen seventy one.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
And this outfit in.

Speaker 13 (21:47):
Florida called Where's My Notes Florida iron Man, iron Man.
They bought the name two in twenty nineteen, and you know,
COVID arrived the next year. Perhaps they you know, City
de Serf wasn't on their radar. It certainly was this
year with more than ninety thousand people started off in
the city and ran down to the beach at Bondai.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
Now basically what's.

Speaker 13 (22:10):
Happened over the years local businesses have said, you know,
we're going to do a City Deserve brunch theme this year.
You can have a burger and you can have a
coffee and a glass of wine whatever.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
City of the Serf.

Speaker 13 (22:24):
Well, there were even schools this year having City Deserve sausage. Sama,
who's that raise money for the school community. This buddy outfit,
what are they called he iron Man, iron Man. I've
sent lawyers then it's saying season does this? You know
it's it's our name. It's our trademark name. The only
ones you can use it are US and official sponsors. Well,

(22:45):
a local council's gone crazy, he said. Are you guys
aware of what happened at Bondai Beach last December? You knuckleheads.
It's a chance for the community to get together, raise
a bit of money for a school, have a bit
of a coffee and a bit of a catch up
in a cultural event that has big, big, big for.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
Sydney it's been there's seventy one.

Speaker 13 (23:05):
So hoping a conversation with Florida can maybe hose this
situation down at a school.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
Community can raise some money next year.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
All good stuff, Mazz, thank you very much. Go away
and read that paper and remember the name is iron
Man Murray Olds Australia Correspondents seventeen away from five Heather
do for sea Ellen listen. I think I'm backpeddling hard
on fee for here, backpedaled, Yesterda, I'm backpeddaling again today
because look, I'll tell you what you'd have to say.
Gianni and Fantino has a greater risk of being rolled

(23:32):
than Chris Luxon at the moment. A because now three
of football's governing bodies have signed a letter calling for
leadership that serves football, not seeks to command, and this
is ua for the Asian Football Federation and conquer CAF.
In the letter, they say in Fantino has broken trust
through deception, and then they condemned his failure to acknowledge
that the proposal should not have been unilaterally launched. This
is the proposal that's got him in all the trouble. Anyway,

(23:54):
I'd say don't put money on him, lasting that that
situation much longer. I'm speaking of betting polymarket, which is
illegal in New Zealand. So do not even think for
one second of putting money on Pollymarkeer. But we're allowed
to look at it from here a look, but don't
touch polymarket. This morning said there was about a ten
percent chance that Luxon would be rolled before September thirty.

(24:14):
It's now fifty to fifty. Very Soper next sixteen away
from five.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
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Speaker 2 (24:22):
Gord Hither, I just sent Chris Pinker dirty message after
you said he was probably responsible for starting the stirring again.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
Phil.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Wow, that's a lot from you. Thank you, Thomas Coglin,
who you're probably also going to want to send a
dirty message too, though, is going to be with us
after five o'clock. Five o'clock Herald's political editor, who's been
doing all the stories right now thirty and away from
five and Barry Soapers with a say Barry, good afternoon, Heather, right,
will he survive tomorrow?

Speaker 14 (24:44):
Look, it depends on so many factors. Leadership KuPS are
never as simple as what they may see. The fact
is we think there are two contenders that's against lux
and one is Eric Stanfan now the Chris Bishop.

Speaker 4 (25:01):
Now.

Speaker 14 (25:01):
The way these things go is that they do the
rounds and you'd get most people supporting one or the other,
and they both go into a caucus meeting believing they've
got the numbers because people are too afraid to say no,
I wouldn't support them, because what happens when they become
leader then they may do themselves a disservice when it

(25:24):
comes to a position in a shadow cabinet. So there's
always a lot of self interest in these things. The
thing is, when Chris Luxon goes into the caucus meeting tomorrow,
he can one of two options. He would have is
to see if there is enough support for anybody else,
put it to the vote and see what happens then,

(25:47):
But to steer them down and say, look, we've had
a gutful of this. You know it's not good enough.
It's showing the party disunified eighty eight days out from
an election, which is not the way any political party
should be in such a short time. We've seen it before.
We saw it with Mike Moore and the Labor Party

(26:10):
him taking over from Jeffrey Palmer. It's interesting also what
will happen to the coalition partners and all of this.
Winston Peters has been very quiet, but you remember the
falling out that he had with Jenny Shipley when she
knifed Jim Bolger. That didn't last very long at all.
So look, there are all sorts of things that can

(26:31):
happen in these circumstances.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
In order for the Prime Minister to stare them down tomorrow,
he has to be sure he has the numbers. Does
he have the numbers?

Speaker 14 (26:40):
Yes, well that's the problem.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
What do you think, Well, because I don't think he
has the numbers.

Speaker 14 (26:45):
I think of Chris Luxon Rang, each member of his caucus,
don't forget there are besides him, there are forty eight
other members of caucus. If he rang them all, he
would probably come away thinking he had the majority, because
most people, when they speak to a leader in these circumstances,

(27:05):
will say, yes, of course, I support you, because they're
worried about their own hide. And that's what happens in
these times.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
I think this thing gets wrapped up tonight, don't you tonight.
What's going to happen, I'm told is there is going
to be some conversations in the beehive involving the Prime Minister.
And if he doesn't have the numbers, people close to
him will already know that. They will go to him
and they will say to him, you need to quit.
I think this thing gets sorted out before that caucus
meeting tomorrow.

Speaker 14 (27:28):
Yeah, well, he will have to be sure that he
actually doesn't have the numbers, and short of calling around
each of his caucus members, it's very hard for them
to know what.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
It's more likely that he will have people come to
him and present him with the fact that he no
longer has the numbers.

Speaker 14 (27:44):
Oh, perfectly likely. I mean, you know you've got the
Erka Stanford camp and I think the popular opinion would
be from the ringing round that I've done this afternoon,
and I've done a lot of it, that Erica Stanford
would be the favorite going into the caucus meeting tomorrow.
That's not to say that Chris Bishop hasn't been probably

(28:05):
doing the numbers as well, and he would believe that
he may have sufficient support to take the leadership. I mean,
these things are so messy, never clear cut. I think
Luxon back in April when he forced the confidence vote
in himself, was extraordinarily brave to do that, although no

(28:26):
doubt he'd done the numbers himself and was satisfied that
he could win, which is why he did it. But
with a three way split including Luxon, anything can happen tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
If he stands down. So at the moment, I'm hearing
what you're hearing, which is there are two main contenders men,
Chris Bishop and Erica standard. But if the Prime Minister
does stand down tonight ahead of the caucus meeting, I
also think that I think there will be others who
will throw their hats in the ringers.

Speaker 14 (28:53):
Mark Mitchell has won. I would think Mark Mitchell has
been a loyalist to Chris Luxon from the beginning and
publicly as well, to stand again today and would never
stand against them.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
So may well if it comes to it. He's had
designs on the leadership before. If it comes to it
and Chris Luckxon resigns, he may will do it.

Speaker 14 (29:11):
And it's interesting if you look at somebody of the
character of Mark Mitchell, he's not seen as being abras of.
He's not a hard character. He's very much a Keiwi character.
And I think maybe if they want a popular and
more popular leader, it could be somebody like Mark Mitchell.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
But yeah, I personally like the cut OF's GiB. I
think he's more and I.

Speaker 14 (29:34):
Think generally the public would find that quite acceptable. I mean,
Erica Stanford is an extraordinarily good minister, there's no doubt
about that, but she's pretty sharp in the way she
operates and it's not the soft line that people generally
like and leaders to take. Similarly, Chris Bishop, he may

(29:54):
be extraordinarily articulate and is very good at answering questions,
but answering does not make a popular prim Do you.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Want to give me you'll take one way, or that
you don't have to do you think he's what does
your gap tell you? Does he survive tomorrow?

Speaker 14 (30:10):
My gut would tell me he survives tomorrow. But okay, yeah,
that's by no means certain, So I'm taking.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
He says, Okay, my guts will take a bob to
choose a bop.

Speaker 14 (30:20):
I would say he'll survive.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
If you say he survives, I say he doesn't.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
Oh, there you go.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Bottle of whiskey, myrtle discord. Why God of whiskey, I.

Speaker 14 (30:29):
Think you owe me about two.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
I'm just it's double enoughing now, well double it quits. Okay, okay,
two bottles of whiskey. Thank you, Berry, Barry Sober.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
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Speaker 15 (30:51):
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with us. So what happens now? Of those who did
submit a proposal, do you just tick that off? If
they're happy, you're happy or not?

Speaker 16 (31:00):
So the teams are working through those eighteen or so proposals.
We're going to get Cabinet to take a decision around
which ones do we push through to make sure that
the officials draft the legislation ready for the new governments.
And for some potentially they won't meet the criteria, we'll
give them a go to see if we can help
them out. And there'll be some that will be ineligible
most probably, and we'll have a conversation with him. So

(31:22):
that's a process we're going to do over the coming weeks.

Speaker 15 (31:25):
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Speaker 2 (31:30):
Heather, that's four bottles now, Well, who cares? It's not
really about the bottles though, isn't it. It's just about
the gloating rights, isn't it. It's not And which sounds
like a terrible thing to say, because you're literally dancing
on the grave of somebody's political career. But sometimes what
happens is when Barry's having a disagreement with me, he
brings this up. The other day he was like, you
were wrong about a run blah blah blah, and Donald Trump.

(31:51):
I'm like, wow, weird having a fight about something stupid.
So I'm going to put this one in my back
pocket when he makes me crossing them you were wrong
about the caucus vote. Anyway, we'll say I'm getting ahead
of myself. I could be wrong. Obviously, we're going to
talk to Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political leeditter after five.
He is doing the numbers and he will He will
have a pretty he will have a better stear than

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Speaker 1 (33:12):
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Speaker 2 (33:32):
Afternoon. So the Prime Minister's leadership is on the line again.
Chris Luxon has called an emergency caucus meeting for nine
point thirty tomorrow morning, following a day of reporting that
his MPs are calling each other currently to discuss whether
to roll him. MPs are now arriving in Wellington for
that meeting. Thomas Coglan is The Herald's political editor who
is more across developments than any other member of the
media and he's with us now, Hi, Thomas, Does Luxon

(33:55):
have the numbers to survive?

Speaker 17 (33:58):
Very difficult to tell at the stage, which it is
interesting obviously last time that's happened and there were a
lot of very early public.

Speaker 5 (34:06):
Proclamations of support.

Speaker 17 (34:08):
And I think you know, as we're currently speaking Erica
Stanf that hasn't obviously voice support for Christopher Laxm. Chris
Bishop interestingly did do it at that stand up this morning,
but that was before Lackson called this caucus meeting. I'm
not sure whether Chris Bishops there has pledge of support
since that that confidence boke was called. Even Simeon Brown,
one of the biggest, one of one of Christopherlas's biggest supporters,

(34:30):
has been contacted by the Hero. He hasn't returned our
requests for comment, you know, not not even just a
text message to say are back and Prime Minister. There
are heaps of people out there, heaps of the MPs
that we've contacted all through the party who are simply
not returning text messages to just stay up or down?
Do you support Christopher Laxam or not. That's quite unusual.
Usually when there's a bit of speculation, it's very easy.

(34:51):
It takes two seconds to they say ye, so I
bet the Prime Minister, and they do that all the time.
This time they've all gone quiet.

Speaker 5 (34:57):
So it does appear that they are talking to themselves
instead of talk to the media and working out a solution.

Speaker 17 (35:02):
That solution could be sticking with the Prime Minister, or
it could be finding a compromise.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Candidate Thomas, I've heard that he has lost some hitherto
loyal MPs on the front bench, quite prominent people.

Speaker 5 (35:13):
Have you heard this, Yes, I have heard that.

Speaker 17 (35:16):
I mean, it's interesting to see Mark Mitchell is one
of the ones who has pledged support. But I wonder
whether you know, I wonder whether Mark Mitchell is persuadable
if another if a sort of ticket, a combination ticket.

Speaker 5 (35:27):
Was put to him.

Speaker 17 (35:29):
I'm certainly Simmy and Brown not publicly pictured support that
I've seen, but I've asked him.

Speaker 5 (35:34):
He hasn't responded to that message as of yet.

Speaker 17 (35:37):
So certainly, those those people who who have been right
at the forefront of the lax in front of projects
and the lax and rehabilitation project, which we've seen this here,
that you know that the assiglence is as pretty interesting.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Okay, who do you think my gut feeling is if
it comes down to it and there is a vote
and they have to choose somebody over a slux law.
If he resigns and they have to pick somebody, it's Erica.
What do you think?

Speaker 17 (36:04):
Yes, I think you've got to think about Erica Stanford,
Chris Bishop and Mark Mitchell and who which of those
gets over the line? Is a combination of a number
of different things. I mean, the Erica Stanford is as
well liked in Auckland, She's not tainted by some of
the sort of and the ankst to Auckland over the
intensification is so Chris Bishop is, She's been really successful

(36:28):
in their education portfolio. Chris Bishop or all around incredibly competent.
He's much more competent on the economy than the Eeric
of Stamford is. And this is going to be an
economy election. So do you want someone who can talk
very fluently about the economy and really need the labor
on what they got wrong about the economy three years ago?

Speaker 5 (36:45):
He's probably your man.

Speaker 17 (36:46):
And Mark Mitchell is always in their mix as a
compromise candidate. You know, we always talk about the politician
you want to have a beer with, and no one
embodies that more than Mark Mitchell.

Speaker 5 (36:55):
So that's just your sort of pracy of what's what's
to play.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Okay, if there is one thing we've learned about the
Prime Minister is that he is a believer in himself,
and he is a fighter, and he will fight this
as hard as he possibly can. If they go to
him tonight, which apparently is the plan, If they go
to him tonight and they've got the numbers and say
to him, you do no longer you no longer have
the numbers. Do you think he's going to resign?

Speaker 5 (37:18):
I would think that would be that would be likely.

Speaker 18 (37:20):
I think.

Speaker 17 (37:21):
I think it is very interesting that if if if
a cross section of the MP's came to him tonight
then see you don't have the numbers, then I imagined
he would be gone, and then tomorrow's caucus meeting would
be about who replaces him? You know, And there is
and there is very very interesting because yeah, they would

(37:43):
change things completely. The other the other person and this
is John Key. Where's John Key in this? There were
reports this morning that John Key was hitting the phones
in favor of Christopher Luxon. I actually asked John Key
whether he had called, whether he'd been calling people like
Paul Goldsmith, Sime and Brown and Mark Mitchell, and John
Key told me that that that him making calls to

(38:03):
those three MP's was untrue. I asked him for whether
he had anything else to say, and he didn't respond
to that request for anything else to say. So it's
interesting that that he's saying that he's not calling in
favor of Thomas.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Should we read into that? Does it? Should we read
into that that John Keys is that that Luckson's losing
even John Key his patrons.

Speaker 17 (38:20):
Support, Well, this is the I mean that would be
that would be huge because I did ask John Key
shortly before eleven o'clock whether he had anything else to say. Obviously,
you know, do you bet Christopher Larson. There's an obvious
there's an obvious flop to that, and and and that
has been met with silence as well, despite the fact
that John p told me earlier that it was untrue,
that it was untrue that that that he'd been calling

(38:42):
those MPs. So it's if Christopher Larson has lost even
John Key, then then then really his time is probably up.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
All right, Hey, Thomas, thanks very much, but I appreciate it.
As Thomas Coglan, The Herald's Political Edit. At twelve past five,
Tiler do for see Ellen Labor has announced another small
business policy. It's the third since Chris luckx of small
business comments more than a week ago. This time it's
to help small businesses join the AI Revolution. Leader Chris
Hipkins is with us now, ho Chippy good a heaven
before we get to that, is Chris Luxen being rolled

(39:12):
a good thing for you or a bad thing for you?

Speaker 19 (39:15):
Well, it's kind of irrelevant to us. Regardless of who
leads the National Party, they're going to have to answer
to the mess that they've made of everything they said
they were going to fix the economy, they've made it worse.
They said they were going to fix unemployment. More people
are losing their jobs. They said they were going to
be pro business. Businesses are going into liquidation. So whoever
leads the National Party, they're going to have to answer
to that track record.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
I think it's bad for you, Chippy, because you're unpopular,
and he's unpopular, and if they roll him and chuck
somebody popular in there, You're in big trouble, aren't you.

Speaker 19 (39:44):
Oh, the National Party is busy fighting amongst themselves. I'm
out there talking about small businesses promoting the policies that
can actually turn around to New Zealand's fortunes, while the
National Party fight amongst themselves.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
All right, how are you going to help with the AI?

Speaker 19 (39:59):
Well, we know that small businesses do want to adapt
to AI, but they don't have big I T departments.
They want a bit of additional support. So we can
provide some of that additional sport and expertise to them
so that they can weigh up how AI could help them,
what the risks of using AI could be. It's just
leveling the playing fields to small businesses in that area.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Do we need you guys to actually help us with AI?
I mean literally we can go to AI and say, hey,
I'm a florist, how can AI help me?

Speaker 19 (40:27):
Now, this is about connecting small business with the expertise
that can actually help them. So no, it isn't government
doing that. It's about making sure that a small business
can access that expertise that's out there. Big businesses have
no trouble accessing that, but small businesses say that costs
can be a big barrier to them accessing that expertise.
We want to level that playing field by saying small businesses, yep,
we want to make sure you can get that too.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
All right to be thanks very much, but appreciate it.
Chris Hopkins Labour Party lead a fourteen.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Past Heather Dupery.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
If you're still sitting there going, oh, I don't know,
this is going to have a lot of this is
the media making this up. Was just much Thomas Cocklin
making it up again like it did last time. Let
me tell you we have just crossed a massive hurdle
in the role in Chris Luxen department, which is it
has the blessing of Winston Peters. Today New Zealand and
New Zealand First strategists have gone to the media and

(41:15):
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luxe and leadership and the national Party and just to
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(42:41):
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(44:41):
of years ago.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Good stuff, Peter, thanks very much, appreciate it. Peter Sheep
at Auckland University, Molecular Medicine and Pathology professor.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
Here.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
The Bishop Stanford and Willis, et cetera are borderline, if
not actual left leaning politicians with leftist tendencies. We voted
in a right leanning block at the twenty twenty three election.
They haven't delivered on their right learning promises and the
public expectation. Look, I actually agree with that to some extent.
I think this is I mean, and I was told today,
Oh there's that the factions within the National Party don't
exist anymore. In the Liberals and the Conservatives is not

(45:09):
whatever whatever worship Willis Stanford Luxon. They are all in
the liberal I mean Luxon, somebody will some will say
he's a conservative, debt, that's just because he's a Christian.
He's actually a liberal And they are all basically they're all.
They could all very happily go and sit in the
Labor Party and nobody would blink it. They go, oh,
look these nice Labour Party MPs, the true Conservatives and

(45:30):
writings are same and Brown Mark Mitchell, it's those guys.
Unfortunately this time I say unfortunately kind of deliberately because
I kind of like the cut of Martin Mischill's jib.
But he's not in the running on this one. But
unfortunately it is going to be a context between the lefties,
the contest between the lefties this time around again.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
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Speaker 2 (46:07):
I agree with you, Luxelon's not going to survive a vote.
He knows it's in the party's interest for him not
to be the leader, and everyone I talked to you
says he needs to be changed. Right, let's discuss this.
Five twenty five. I don't think you can argue anymore
that this is a media beat up and it's not
going to happen. It is clearly going to happen tomorrow
that there will be some sort of a discussion about
rolling Chris Luxe, and whether it happens or not, whether

(46:27):
it depends on who's got the numbers. The question really
is whether this is the right thing for the National
Party to do eighty eight days out from an election.
It is a ballsy move to roll a prime minister.
Should they do it? I honestly don't know. I mean,
my actual answer here is they should have done it
back in April when I said they should have done it,
because that is exactly this is exactly what I predicted

(46:47):
was going to happen. I said in April when they
didn't roll him, I said, roll him now, because if
you don't roll him now, you're going to get to
August and you're going to start panicking because it's three
months out from the election, and then you're going to
try to roll them. And look, guess what, it's August
panicking and they're trying to roll him again. It was
entirely predictable that this was going to happen. Why Because
Chris Luckson cannot stop making mistakes in the last week

(47:08):
he's made for the small business comments, the MP comment
rennouncing the weird fiscal rules, which only reminded us that
they haven't done all the stuff they were going to
do for the economy, and then they spend all of
yesterday talking about how they were planning to tax us
some more. I'm not going to tell the National Party
what they should do tomorrow, because, as I say, I
honestly don't know which of the two scenarios is better,
because it's bad either way. They can either stick it

(47:29):
out with a guy who they know keeps making mistakes
and take the chance that one of those mistakes is
big enough to lose them the entire election, or they
can switch to someone else who might look great and
who might lift them five percent in the poll. But
then again, that person might look great, they might actually
be awful. The chances of that are high. History is
littered with people who were going to be great leaders
and then became leader and sucked. Jenny Shipley, Bill English,

(47:52):
Andrew Little, Todd Muller, Judith Collins, Liz Truss, Keir Starmer.
The list of people who suck at being leader is
longer than the list of people who are great at
being leader. Either way they're going to make a choice
it is it comes with huge risk. It's double or
nothing for them. They have already lost the car, right
They can either stick with Chris Luxen and just lock
in that loss and get that we've lost the car.

(48:13):
Who cares? Or they can roll him and they can
bet the house and they can take the chances of
getting that car back, but they could also lose the house.
As I say, I am not going to tell them
what to do. They should have done this in April,
so they weren't doing it right now with eighty eight
days to go until the election.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
Ever do for ce Ellens.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Heather, I agree with you. Luxem will not survive a vote. Heather,
has he already made the decision to resign? Is that
why no one's talking to the media. No, no one
is talking to the media because as I say, as
I said at the start of this program, this is
the time where where everything is on the line, right,
they are not talking to the media because they are
talking to themselves and everybody is trying to get They're
trying to win support. It's horse trading, it's jobs being offered,

(49:00):
trying to get the numbers. They're putting all of their energy.
Everybody who wants to be the Prime minister is putting
their energy right now into trying to shore up their
numbers to become the prime minister. The next few hours
are going to be crucial because if he hasn't got
the numbers, somebody's going to go and sit down with
him tonight and tell him he hasn't got the numbers. Anyway,
We're going to talk to the Huddle. Huddle is standing by,
Got Jordan Williams and Jack Tame for this and we'll
talk through all of the machinations here and then Also

(49:21):
there is no surprisingly a link between infant death and vaping.
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Speaker 4 (49:46):
Right.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
We owe a significant amount of money to the idea.
We're going to talk about it after six. Got the
Huddle standing by, Jordan Williams and Jack Tame. Chris Bishop
and Nicola Willis have just canceled their appearances on ournz's
Morning Report tomorrow. I also feel like I had it,
just had a conversation earlier this afternoon with somebody in
the Herald. You said, Christoshop, we pulled out of a
thing there tomorrow morning as well. Mark Mitchell, though is

(50:06):
still in at this stage anyway, for Mike Costings show tomorrow.
So if you want to hear from anybody at all
tomorrow morning in the National Party about what may be
happening at nine point thirty, it's you got to listen
to Mike's show and listen after eight o'clock to politics Wednesday.
It's twenty four away from six. Now, let's talk about
infant mortality. Apparently there's a new study that suggests there

(50:27):
might be a possible link between sudden infant deaths and
vaping by the mother. The researchers looked at one hundred
and one sudden unexpected death in infancy that occurred between
twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three, and found that
there was smoking all vaping in nearly three quarters of
the cases. Auckland University professor Ed Mitchell was the study's
lead author and is with us Hi ed Hi, Hi, Heather,
why would smoking all vaping cause sudden infant death?

Speaker 8 (50:51):
We sort of think that that's working on making the
baby more vulnerable. And we know that nicotine passes across
to the bloodstream of the mother and then to the baby,
and there is experimental work that suggests that that nicotine
also affects the baby's brain when it's in the utera,

(51:12):
resulting in a vulnerable baby that might not wake up
when stressed.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Okay, is this mums who are smoking while pregnant?

Speaker 8 (51:21):
Yes, it is, okay, And we're talking about vaping when
during pregnant.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Okay, if you're the it is a possible that it
is unrelated to the actual act of vaping or smoking,
but it is related to just like a whole bunch
of other stuff that goes Because if you're a mum
who's vaping when you're pregnant, it says to me that
there is bigger things going on in this world. Do
you know what I mean?

Speaker 8 (51:44):
I certainly do, And that's why we need additional studies
to make this work. But the striking feature was that
of the babies that died while bedsharing, eighty five percent
of them either smoked or vape, compared with forty percent
of the non bed sharing deaths that occurred, and the

(52:07):
difference between the two groups for vaping was really quite strike.
Fifty percent of the baby's dying bed sharing were vaping
the mothers were vaping, and only twenty percent in the
non bed sharing. I certainly accept that there might be
socioeconomic factors, are the stress factors that are causing it,
but it just seems to be too big a difference

(52:30):
that just passing away as an association.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Well, how do you establish that it is not just
that there is something causedive, it's not just a correlation.

Speaker 8 (52:41):
Absolutely this is a crunch point. So you can't do
the experiment where you just make people smoke that wouldn't
be smokers and make people smokers absolutely stop. So you
have to look at these associations and also look at

(53:01):
evidence from overseas. Now we have looked at evidence from overseas,
and that is looking at snuffs, which is a Scandinavian
dry powder moist tobacco powder. That's that's used through the

(53:23):
buck on me kosa. So it's the way of getting
nicotine into the stuff you.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Put in your mouth, right, you stick it under your lip.

Speaker 8 (53:30):
That's the one. They've shown quite convincingly that snuss is
associated with low birth weight, still birth, infant infant death.
So there's a parallel here.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Okay, now it's nicotine.

Speaker 8 (53:47):
It is the nicotine that's got that we're concerned about.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Thank you very much, really appreciate it, mate, Professor Ed
Mitchell Auckland University Professor. It's a I think it's the
snooth twenty away from six the huddle with.

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Speaker 2 (54:06):
On the huddle of this this evening, Jordan Williams and
Jack tame High last the snus, haven't you Jordan? No,
I don't smoke now, the snus the snuffs?

Speaker 5 (54:14):
No?

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Have you never done that?

Speaker 21 (54:15):
But it should be about it should be legalized in
New Zealand because we're the Swede of the lowest cancer
rates in the world and the other highest users of us.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Have you ever done it?

Speaker 22 (54:24):
Jack, I've done snurf. I did the snooze challenge. This
is probably not the I want to be. I'm not
advocating for the snooz challenge, but so I've.

Speaker 10 (54:32):
Never this is not going to come to the huge spride.

Speaker 22 (54:34):
I've never smoked a single cigarette in my life, right never,
Because why would you totally irrational.

Speaker 21 (54:40):
Achieve a husky broadcast voice.

Speaker 10 (54:42):
If you don't, don't the problem.

Speaker 22 (54:46):
Yeah, but if you've never had nickerteine and then you
put a little pouch of snooz under your lip for
a few minutes, especially a strong patch of snood, the
room is spinning within about thirty seconds.

Speaker 10 (54:58):
Yet it's deeply unpleasant.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Yeah, i'd imagine, all right, Christopher Lux and Jordan, is
he going to survive tomorrow?

Speaker 21 (55:04):
I don't think he is, and it doesn't I don't
have any joy in that. My phone, like everyone's in
public affairs, is running red hot to be ready clear
from the start, because there is diametrically opposed views, and
among our twenty five thousand donors the tax Bars Union,
it's probably a little bit hard on a week ago
on the show where I said he's either a wounded
prime minister or a dead man walking, I think it's

(55:25):
past that now. Anyone, though, who tells you they know
who's going to come through the middle or who's going
to win, is lying to you. It is a very
split caucus. But I think even if he wins tomorrow,
it's just not tenrible that he can get he is
now so wounded, and as I say, it doesn't give
me great joy in that.

Speaker 10 (55:44):
I come to your.

Speaker 21 (55:44):
View that if it could have, if it should have
been done, it should have already been done.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Yeah, Jack, what do you think? Does he survive tomorrow
or not?

Speaker 22 (55:53):
I don't know, but I think of the two options,
it's less likely that he survives. And I had not
been someone who's been calling for him to go, who's
been picking that he would go before this. But I
think there are a couple of factors at play. First
of all, from the calls that I've had within the party,
my understanding is that there are MPs who supported him
last time who are angry and are really unhappy with

(56:17):
his performance for the last couple of weeks, and that
quite feasibly their position in supporting him has changed since
the last vote of confidence. I would also say that
even if tonight or tomorrow doesn't end up in a
vote of confidence a formal one, the mere fact that
you are in a position with a quasi second vote
of confidence in your leadership within a short space of
time is in itself an answer. I also think I

(56:41):
think there are several questions that MP's are facing, not
just can national form be in a position to form
a government under Christopher Luxen's leadership post November seventh. I
think National is still likelier than not to be in
a position to former government.

Speaker 10 (56:55):
But I think the.

Speaker 22 (56:57):
Question of what that government will look like is inly
gnawing at some of those some of those members of
the caucus. For example, is National facing a scenario where
it only has ten members in cabinet? And what would
that mean for a policy agenda? And I think those
are the kinds of questions that increasingly members of the
Caucus are starting to grapple with.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Jack. Is one of the people you've spoken to who
is angry Chris Pink.

Speaker 22 (57:21):
I'm not gonna reveal anyone that I've spoken the names
of anyone I've spoken to. I mean, I'm just like
everyone else dialing numbers, answer and then proment thing that
I wouldn't owe.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
You would speculate, would you say that Chris Pink is angry?

Speaker 22 (57:37):
I would I would never speculate. All I would say
is that I don't think there has been any one
incident from the Prime Minister that has been a death knell,
as it were. But I do think that you know,
people will roll their eyes and say this is just
the media. I do think communication is an absolutely vital

(57:57):
part of the job. I actually think this is what
cost Keys and I don't want to compare the two,
but I think the Prime Minister would be the first
to admit that at times his communication has let him
down and when compared to some of his predecessors, he
isn't as strong a communicator. And you know, take last
Thursday for example. I mean, the announcing that you back
a referendum on MMP might not be the end of

(58:19):
the world in itself a captain's call, but it was
on the day that label was confirming they were scrapping
investment boost, I mean, the one of the biggest opportunities
for National to go after the opposition, and it meant
that all of the attention was taken away from that
and focused on the Prime Minister and said and it's
that kind of discipline that I think is really or
lack of discipline that is really starting to irritate some MPs.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
All right, let's let's I want to hear what you've
got to say, Jordan. You have to take a quick
break and we'll come back to a quarter two.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
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Speaker 2 (58:51):
You're back with a huddle, Jack Tam Jordan Williams. Jordan,
tell me who have you spoken to? Well, you can't
tell me who, but what are you hearing?

Speaker 21 (58:57):
I spoke to three of the six leadership contenders that
are out there, and they all broadly agree with this.
Because there's lots of courses, competing rumors, everyone's trying to
plant their own one, but they all broadly agree that
it's roughly sixteen of the National Party caucus want to
want to roll the leader and have an open ballot.
Sixteen want to roll, but only if there is a

(59:17):
it's a smooth transition and they've got a consensus candidate.
Sixteen want to roll, but only after the election. They're
the ones sort of you know, Le's scut the horses
and one is for keeping Chris Luxon. Would I assume
that's Chris Larsson, But as I say, three cabinet ministers said,
that's broadly right to me. In terms of pink, there's

(59:40):
like competing rumors, like literally in the last hour, I've
heard one senior cabinet minister really annoyed definitely in that
sixteen of role, but only after is annoyed that Chris
Pink is the one agitating and I'm obviously not spoken
to Chris Pink, but to.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Them now that Chris Pink is the one doing this, Yeah.

Speaker 10 (59:59):
It it is.

Speaker 21 (01:00:00):
But the thing is is during to everyone is trying
to frame the narrative without having their fingerprints all over it. Yes,
so that's the way the stuff works. But then also
someone's putting about that he's potentially the compromise candidate.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Oh what that he comes through the middle. He comes
from the middle as a stalking horse for Bishop.

Speaker 21 (01:00:17):
Yeah, well that was what That's what some people are saying.
But it's really hard outside that. The thing is in
politics is often the perception turned into the reality, and
so that they want the talking hits. What is interesting, though,
is that no one is defending luxen or and it's
not actually just the stuff ups the m MP the
road to ruer, this tax grew up, of watering down

(01:00:39):
you're the one stick to whack labor with, of no
new taxes of working people. But the best that is
it's too risky to move him on And the only
opy it I've seen actually defending him is Liam here,
and that's always sort of been Luckson's problem is that
he doesn't really have the crowd around him. And what

(01:01:02):
I hear, Well, yeah, that's that's I mean, John, and
we know, you know, I think the same person you're
speaking to I've been speaking to about, you know, who's
saying John Key's making calls. But actually the issue is
the relationship between the PMO, the Prime Minister and caucus,
because he's treated the caucus as if they are his
senior management team, when actually it is a strange relationship.

(01:01:24):
It's a little bit like it's more actually that they're
his board as well, because the power of the caucus
is even the most lonely backbencher who is you know,
largely ignored, but in theory, you are the first among equals.
And you know, Luxon is as he's going to find
out at ninet thirty tomorrow, if not earlier, that he

(01:01:47):
is ultimately accountable to them.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Okay, Jack, what do you reckon?

Speaker 19 (01:01:50):
Does it?

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Erica?

Speaker 22 (01:01:53):
I have no idea as who the if he is
role as to who the leader would be. I mean,
I think it's pretty obvious that there are some standout
members of cabinet who also happen to be standout communicators,
often for whatever reason, that the arguably.

Speaker 10 (01:02:09):
Some of the strongest performers.

Speaker 22 (01:02:11):
Yeah, well, arguably some of the strongest performers in terms
of cabinet portfolios this term. The likes of Chris Bishop,
the likes of Erica Stanford, even the likes of Mark Mitchell.
Also people who are pretty pretty confident and astute communicators.
And I think if you are asking for someone to

(01:02:33):
pick up the pieces after a leadership coup, pull the
caucus together and put the party in the best position
with you know, a fewer than one hundred days to election,
you need someone who is going to not require any
media training. Who's gonna who's going to come in on
morning number one and hit the ball out of the park.
And I would have thought there are a few a

(01:02:53):
few contenders there. Add Nikola willis to it if you
like as well from the economy, Yeah, yeah, yeah, fearing
From a communication perspective, it's interesting.

Speaker 21 (01:03:06):
In the focus groups that we've been testing out our
various election campaign both ads and some of the messaging,
it is not actually Luxeon that's coming. We're only testing
swing voters. The fifteen percent that shifted from Senate left
to center right the last election, but Luxon didn't come up.
It was all And the scary thing for the NATS

(01:03:27):
is that all the stuff around costs of living and
better management of the economy is just falling flat. And
a focus group after focus group for US showed this.
All routes Unfortunately, you know, lead back to Nicola because
people are not feeling better off than last time. You
give them the message that, you know, remember what labor did,
They overspent, they drove the cost of living crisis. The

(01:03:50):
common thing was, but I feel way better off now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Yeah, listen, Jack, do you want ten seconds? You have
ten seconds to reply if you want.

Speaker 22 (01:03:58):
No, I agree. If you ask the average voter, do
you feel better off today than you did three years ago?
I don't think the answer currently is in the neat
Faber's AOL.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Right, Hey, guys, thanks very much. I do appreciate both
of you coming in that. Jordan Williams and Jack Tamer
huddle this evening and it's seven away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
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Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
What about Erica as the leader there, Mark Mitchell is
the deputy, and Chris Bishop is finance. Not a stupid
not stupid. So Erica, let's just look like like we've
said throughout the program, and like Jordan just said before,
if you are saying for certain that something's going to
happen tomorrow, you are you are just you're a fool,
because nobody knows what's going to happen tomorrow, including the Caucus.

(01:04:40):
But I would say that it looks more likely. So
balance of probability, it's that Erica comes through if if
this all goes tits up for Luxen, and the chances
are it's very hard to survive this, very bloody difficult.
So let's say it's greater chances that he's gone right,
and then I think the one with the greatest chances
at the moment it seems as Erica. Then Erica has
to find jobs for three key men that she would

(01:05:02):
have to who are, by the sounds of things, potentially
already talking to her, and all will need to talk
to her. That would be Chris Bishop, Mark Mitchell, and
Simeon Brown just because of where they the factions, they
represent the power that they bring to it, So I
don't know. I mean, you could put Mark Mitchell's deputy
is not a stupid idea. You could put Chris Bishop
in his finance. He could do a perfectly fine job there,

(01:05:23):
Sime and Brown would do a very good job there
as well. So yeah, and the problem, the problem is
going to be finding finding spots for everybody that everybody's
happy with. Nikola Willis, unfortunately you could pretty much write
off like if Luxan goes, she goes, she's part of
his team. And Welder to him, discovered something about my
mum in the last week that I didn't know, which
is that she hates Brad Pitt. Who hates Brad Pitt?

(01:05:46):
Like who on God's Earth hates Brad Pitch. She said
to me, I hate Brad Pitt. I said, I can't
believe it. Well, he's the most beautiful man, like objectively
the most beautiful man on the planet. Anyway, she said
she hates his mouth. I was like, oh, now I
get it, because he does. He holds his mouth in
a way that I find quite cute, but that irritates
it kind of probably in the same way that Anne
Hathaway's mouth irritates me or Kara knit Ley's mouth. It

(01:06:08):
isn't Kara Knight in his mouth the most irritating mouth
in the whole world. So that's what Brad is giving her. Anyway.
I'm telling you this because I was reading about Brad
this morning. He's given an interview to Esquire. He says
he was suicidal after he broke up with Angelina Jolie
and then he attended alcoholics anonymous meetings for eighteen months,
and then he was sober for seven years. But he's
back on the booze now, just has the occasional drink.

(01:06:28):
Drink was never his problem. It was weed, I thought,
so he was probably just puffing away full noise. Anyway,
this is funny. He says he can't watch porn because
bad acting drives them crazy. And he says he football
players need to take acting lessons because they're flopping around
us so bad. It's like women in the footies. Female
actors would swoon. That's what he sees. I love Brad.

(01:06:49):
My mom's a shocker, right, IID Next.

Speaker 19 (01:06:56):
What's up?

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
What's down? What were the major calls? How will it
affect the economy? The big business questions on the Business Hour,
we've had the duplicy Allen and Mass insurance and investments
your future SPI good hands us talks that'd.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Be even in coming up in the next hour. The RBA,
as we told you earlier, has held the official cash
rate over the Paul Bloxham of HSBC with his thoughts
on that, Jamie McKay on the Wilding Pies, and end
Brady's with us out of the UK. It's eight past
six now half a million kiwis are currently in debt
to the IID and experts say something here, something needs
to change here. Total tax debt for the country is

(01:07:32):
sitting at nine point four billion dollars. That is up
sharply from twenty twenty three when it was just six
billion dollars or thereabout. John Cuthbertson is the tax lead
for Charted Accountants Australia, New Zealand and with us.

Speaker 23 (01:07:43):
Hi John, Hi here, how are you?

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
I'm very well? Thank you that that sharp increases that
down to COVID is it?

Speaker 23 (01:07:50):
That's really our COVID hangover. Unfortunately everything went soft over
that period and as a consequence we had a build
up of debt and now we've got somehow get back.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Okay, what proportion of that do you think is actually
going to be paid back?

Speaker 23 (01:08:05):
Look as dead ages, it becomes harder to collect, and
we know that about forty three percent of it is
over two years old. So once you get into that territory,
it gets hard and harder to collect, and you've already
got to strategize that look to get the best possibly
outcomes from it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
How has the question that has been asked about this,
how is it that it got to that level? How
should it have been allowed to get to that level?

Speaker 23 (01:08:34):
I guess the answer is no, But it has built
up over time unfortunately, and during that period we were
trying to do our best to ensure business survived and
carried on. But as part of that we've ended up
with a number of businesses that have unfortunately wrapped up
quite large debt bills and are probably uneconomic and will

(01:08:55):
not survive.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
I mean, is it ultimately? Were we going to end
up in the same place either way? Had the government,
you know, once once the problem started post COVID and
the IID relaxed what it was doing to save the businesses,
they were going to fold either way, weren't they?

Speaker 23 (01:09:11):
Well, certainly a number of them were likely to. I mean, yes,
some could have traded through, but I think they're also
trying to protect the employment scenario as well. But I mean,
unfortunately now as a number of these smaller businesses have
put their life savings into the business as well the
owner operators, and they're really looking having nothing left. The

(01:09:33):
ideal scenario is not to let debt age in the
first place, seek early help and make it more manageable.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
I mean, John, I know that this is heartbreaking for
these people, but this has unfortunately been very difficult times. Right,
there was always there were always going to be casualties.

Speaker 23 (01:09:49):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Now there's a question as to whether it is too
easy to start businesses in this country.

Speaker 23 (01:09:54):
What do you say, Well, it certainly is easy. You
don't need any any skills, and I mean I think
in a number of cases you've got some very good,
talented people who have great ideas, but are not business people.
So I mean, unless they get the right wrap around support.
You can see from the stats that a number of

(01:10:14):
businesses fail in their first couple of years, so that
probably suggests something. We're an entrepreneurial bunch.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Yeah, all right, John, thanks very much, appreciate it. John, Cuthbertson,
Chartered Accountants, Australia, New Zealand Tax Lead. I have got
some good news for you and I am so stoked
to be able to say this. The turnaround at the
warehouse is working. The mcquarie analysts have upgraded there where
their rating of the warehouse. They now have it at outperform.
They say the recovery is underway. The turnarounds happened. The

(01:10:41):
recovery is underway. The forecast earnings per forecast earnings per
share is seven point four cent for the twenty twenty
seven financial year. They expect the dividend payments to resume
and it's basically comes down to the new ce of
the warehouse board poached out of South Africa, Mark Sturton,
who came over here. I had a look at the
thing and went, this is not going to work. If
this is the kind of retailer, too much cost going
on at headquarters. Let's chop it when hard on it.

(01:11:03):
And as a result appears at this stage to be
saving the thing. The share price is up as a
result of that. I'm thrilled because there is a part
of me that I mean, because we grew up with
the warehouse, right, so we all want the warehouse to
it's just nice to know it can survive. It's up
against the k marts, it's up against the Amazons, it's
up against the Shine Sheen Shane whatever. I still don't

(01:11:25):
know how to bloody pronounce that nonsense and all the
other cheap crap from China. So it's nice to know
that the warehouse might have a bit of a fighting
chance thanks to a SAFA that we've imported. So thanks
very much, Mark Sturton, and may long, may at last
let me give you the numbers. Ends at X fifty
is down marginally today zero point two percent. A six
fifty is up zero point two four percent so far.
So our barrel of Brent crude is costing you eighty

(01:11:46):
eight US dollars and one New Zealand dollar is worth
fifty nine US cents, eighty three Ousie cents, fifty one
euro sents, forty four UK pence, ninety four yen and
Jamiemickay's with us next twelve plus six. It sounds like
Eric is Stanford's just landed Wellington recently for the caucus
meeting tomorrow. May have said something to the media so
We're just going to get it up and get it

(01:12:06):
to you as soon as we possibly can. Right now,
it's called a past sex sport with generate, not sport
with generator.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
The Rural Report with Farmlands Rural never rests, and neither
is Farmlands.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
Rural Report with Farmlands. Jamie mckaye, host of the Countries
with us Alo Jamie.

Speaker 18 (01:12:23):
Well I can talk sport on a bit of footy
with you, Heather. There's no finer sport at the moment
than what's happening and we're about to happen in Wellington.
I did my show in Queenstown today and I spent
the afternoon. I've just got back to the need and
where I'm based. I've been listening to Barry with Tyler.
I've been listening to you and Barry debating on what's
going to happen. Interestingly, just before I kicked off my

(01:12:46):
show at midday, either I'm not betraying a confidence because
it's what he's already said. Anyhow, I said to Barry,
is that any appetite to roll Christopher Luxe? And he said, nah,
not the appetite that was at midday At four pm
he sends me at saying that was earlier in the day.
It would seem the hungers on. So there's obviously been
a bit of a sea change this afternoon. And like you,

(01:13:09):
I've been working the phones, but I haven't got as
many connections as you. But I did call some kind
of senior people, I would say in farming, agriculture, the
primary sector, you know, to see where their support lies.
And it would be fair to say that Christopher Luxeon
has really good support from farming and the primary sector,
you know, the very important part of our economy, obviously,

(01:13:32):
the primary sector. But when it comes to one man,
one vote, there's only what fifty thousand odd farmers in
the country chuck, mum, dad and the kids, and there
might be a couple one hundred thousand. That's less than
what there is in Wellington, where no doubt Crystal Luxeon
probably won't get or the National Party mightn't get that
many votes anyhow, so it doesn't take too long to

(01:13:53):
wipe out the farmer vote either. But in summary, the
farmer's back.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
Yeah, like would that be because the farmers are doing
I mean Jordan Williams's argument on the huddle earlier was
basically this all comes down to the economy and people
across at National because National said they're going to fix
the economy and then fix the economy. And is it
possible that the farmers back Luxeon because they are not
suffering to the extent that other people are.

Speaker 18 (01:14:15):
Oh absolutely, But you've got to remember that Luxeon and
Winston and Seymour, to be fair, have made the environment
a hell of a lot easier for farming and farmers.
You know they'll deny it, but the twenty or the
twenty twenty to twenty three Labor government when they had
an absolute majority, were brutal on farming. If David Parker

(01:14:38):
had been left to his device as he would have
killed it. Damien wasn't better on many occasions either. At
one stage we were staring down the barrel of maybe
twenty percent of sheep and sheep and beef farmers going
out of business because the ets or the methane and
mission targets were just well, they were unreachable, they were brutal,
they were unrealistic. Describe it as however, you so this

(01:15:00):
lot have come in and all three parties act in
New Zealand, First and National have been very pro farming.
They would absolutely support them for that reason, the Turkeys
don't vote for an early Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
There's a good point. Hey, very quickly tell me what's
going on with the wilding pines. Has the money now
become available?

Speaker 18 (01:15:17):
Oh wow, there's an extra one million for a community
funding program. I mean this is a drop in the
ocean really compared to the one hundred and nine million
that the government is going to invest over the next
three years. But Federated Farmers they're saying it's a welcome boost,
and you know they're supporting those on the ground doing
the hard yards because there are a lot of little
private groups out there doing their bit to get rid

(01:15:38):
of the wilding pines. One of the best things that
could happen for the wilding pines in this country, and
Federated Farmers are calling for this heather, is to allow
the use of low impact stock grazing on conservation land.
This is this dock land that has gone to kind
of rack and ruin because they're not grazing it. Not
only the wilding pine and other weeds getting away, it

(01:16:01):
becomes a bit of a fire hazard as well. So
Federated Farmers are a part of their election manifesto they're
asking for five hundred thousand dollars or five hundred thousand hectares,
should I say of dockland to be restored to grazing
and it would make good common sense to do so?

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
Yeah, good stuff. Hey, thank you very much. Jamie. We'll
talk to you again in a couple of days. It's
Jamie Macaihost of the Country. Nineteen past six.

Speaker 10 (01:16:24):
Heather dupers the al right, here's Erica.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
Stanford landing at the airport in Wellington.

Speaker 10 (01:16:29):
Eric Stanford in twenty four hours? Are you going to
be the Prime minister?

Speaker 21 (01:16:32):
Excuse me?

Speaker 10 (01:16:33):
Why can't you say nothing of that?

Speaker 5 (01:16:36):
Why can't you say your confidence in the Prime minister?

Speaker 8 (01:16:38):
Erica?

Speaker 14 (01:16:39):
Erica, you're a minister in the Prime minister's cabinet.

Speaker 10 (01:16:41):
Why can't you say you have confidence in him?

Speaker 5 (01:16:42):
Have you spoken that you're not national about becoming your deputy?

Speaker 10 (01:16:46):
You're not saying those of uklanst Why not?

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
Silence speaks louder than words. Credit Ratings SMP. This is great.
Credit Ratings Agency ESMP has upgraded what we should expect
in terms of growth for next year, now expecting GDP
to grow at two point four percent this year two
point five percent next year, which is about a half
percentage point faster in both years than it had previously
said it would be. They're putting this down to improving
domestic demand, rising consumer investor confidence growth and business investment

(01:17:13):
which has been a lot better than they were anticipating. However,
they see some concerns right there are some risks obviously,
the weak property market, slow down in net immigration, and
this I think is crucial for the economy for now
and the future. And the energy market, the power bills
taking too much out of our pockets every single month.
Are worried about it, as they will should be.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
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Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
The Erica and the other national MPs have been told
by their boss to say nothing. If they value their positions,
are good on them, Larry Old Bless, No, that's not
what happened here, mate. Bishop has been talking today. Mark
Mitchell's been talking today. A whole bunch of MPs make
Mitchell called talkback today. The whole bunch of MPs are
talking today and like making themselves available. The reason that

(01:18:18):
Erica didn't say anything is because Erica is the one.
That's why she's trying to be completely silent at the moment,
so she comes through this completely untouched by all the
dirtiness of it. That's why she's silent, not because Chris
Luxon told her to be silent. Anyway, as I said,
we'll see, well, no one knows what's gonna happen tomorrow.
We'll see what's gonna happen tomorrow. Will find out, I
suppose at nine thirty or thereafter. Now we need to

(01:18:40):
talk about the BSA. I don't know if you've seen this,
but the BSA has upheld the complaints against Sean Plunkett
on the platform. Now, the complaints were somebody complained that
he described Mary Teakunger as mumbo jumbo, and then then
the second problem is that the complainant then complained, and
then Sean Plunkett got hold of the complaint documents and
then revealed the complain and its name, which then formed

(01:19:02):
the basis of the second complaint, so first the mumbo
jumbo and then revealing the chap's name. Anyway, the debate,
just to bring you up to speed if you missed
all of this, The debate was whether the BSA ever
had the jurisdiction to go after Sean Plunkett because he
is not a radio broadcaster in New Zealand. He broadcasts
on the Internet. The whole point of his show, the
whole reason that he set it up on the internet,

(01:19:24):
was so that he fell outside the jurisdiction of the BSA.
The BSA has now come out today and said they
upheld the two complaints against him. He has done something
very bad. They do have jurisdiction over him, but they
are not going to punish him, which to me is
the worst of all worlds, is it not? Because basically
what they're doing is they are pretending that they've got
power over him by saying they uphold the complaints, but

(01:19:46):
then they're admitting they've got no power over him by
their not punishing him at all. I mean, I honestly
like the BSA is ridiculous. It is ridiculous to the
point of viting ridicule. So anyway they can keep on
doing the weird things, if they want to keep on
doing the weird things. Barack Obama, if you're into the

(01:20:07):
I'm quite into this, So this is why I'm telling
you about it. Barack Obama, if you're into books and
into what other people read, is launching a podcast where
he's going to talk about his favorite books. It's a
six series podcast, and each each one of the episodes
will deal with one of the books. The books are.
These are books that have profoundly shaped his worldview and
our society. Song of Solomon by Tony Morrison, Tinker Taylor,

(01:20:30):
Soldier Spy by John Leacarr, The Fire Next Time by
James Baldwin, All the Pretty Horses by Cormack McCarthy, Gillad
by Mary Anne Robinson, and All the Kings Ben by
Robert Penn Warren. The podcast is called a Great Book
with Barack Obama. It's going to launch on September twenty four,
and I'll tell you what over summer because I have
no time, because also there's a thing happening in November

(01:20:51):
that's kind of taking up a lot of our time
at the moment. The thing that is the problem for
Chris Luxon at the moment but once we're through that
thing and we're into the summer break, I reckon this
is gonna be it for me. I'm gonna listen to
Barat talk about all his favorite books, or I might
just read them all. Six twenty six.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
May speaking of the Internet, so weird things happen on
the Internet day. The latest weird thing is about Anne Hathaway.
Twitter is convinced that she's faking her pregnancy. Now she
I don't know if you're aware of it, but Anne
Hathaway is pregnant. And we know this because she's been
rocking her baby belly on all of her red carpets
that she's doing at the moment. In one outfit, she

(01:21:30):
wore a low rise jeans situation and a buttoned shirt
that was unbuttoned at the bottom to show her stomach
and you know, make it clear that it didn't fit
into the shirt anyway. It now seems there's no other
there's no other reason people think that she's faking her
pregnancy other than she's trying too hard to show it off.
So because she's unbuttoning it and showing her belly, that

(01:21:51):
is the sign clear is mud that she is faking it.
Anne has now addressed the speculation. She posted on her
Instagram a very simple phrase, fake care, real bump, which
I'm going to be honest with you, I don't understand.
But I also don't understand the conspiracy theory, so it
befuddles this millennial don't understand what's going on in the
internets anymore. Paul Bloxham is with us next on the

(01:22:13):
RBA holding the ocr usful zeb.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
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Speaker 4 (01:22:35):
Heather.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
I'm excited to get a new prime minister and it
not be Chris Hipkins. Well, in that case, you'll be
hoping that the end result of all of what is
going on is that you don't end up with Chris Hipkins,
because that is a real possibility, right if they get
this wrong and they put someone in and that someone
is Eric Stanford, let's say, and then she turns out
to just bomb massively, which is a possibility, Well, it's

(01:22:57):
Chris Hipkins leadership for you. After November seven, isn't it.
Indebrady's with US out of the ukn about ten minutes
timers twenty five away from seven Now. Australia's official cash
rate has been kept at four point three five percent.
It's Reserve Bank helped the rate steady despite the inflation
hovering well above the target of two to three percent.
HSBC's chief economist Paul Bloxham is with.

Speaker 10 (01:23:15):
US HI Paul Gooday.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
So what is this down to is this inflation is high,
too high, but not as high as expected.

Speaker 10 (01:23:22):
That's part of the story.

Speaker 24 (01:23:24):
So inflation is above the target, but it was a
little lower than the Reserve Bank had been expecting back
in the second quarter numbers.

Speaker 10 (01:23:31):
That's that's part of it. I think.

Speaker 24 (01:23:32):
Also part of it is that the Australian economy is
slowing down. There is evidence that growth is weakening, and
so that's going to help to put down when pressure
on inflation going forward. And I think the third part
of it is they've already lifted interest rates three times.
They lifted them in February, they lifted them in March,
and they lifted them in May, and so they've already
you know, taken quite a swipe at the economy to
try and slow growth down and disinflate the economy. And

(01:23:56):
that last move, the one in Mate, well that was
only just a few months ago, so it's still a
little early to see the full impact of the rate
hikes that have already been delivered. So I think this
is the RBA at the moment in still weight and
ce mode. They're still watching and waiting to see whether
they've already tightened enough to get inflation to head back
to their target over time, or whether they're going to

(01:24:18):
have to do just that little bit more. And the
Governor today was quite clear that, look, they may have
to do a bit more. It's possible they'll be back
at some point in time lifting rates again.

Speaker 10 (01:24:27):
But for the moment they're happy to sit still.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
And are they also expecting that the drop off and
the housing value will do some of the work for them.

Speaker 24 (01:24:35):
I think so, And look, our own view is that
that is going to be part of the story.

Speaker 10 (01:24:40):
So there's a couple of things here.

Speaker 24 (01:24:41):
I mean, part of the reason why house prices are falling,
and they are falling across the capital cities and across
the nation in Australia now, a part of the reason
is because of the three rate rises the RBA is
already delivered. But a part of it is also that
there were quite substantial changes to the tax system that
were delivered back in the May budget.

Speaker 10 (01:24:58):
They removed negative gearing and they just to the capital
gains tax system.

Speaker 24 (01:25:02):
And these were intentionally designed, these policy shifts to we
can investor demand to discourage investors from getting as heavily
involved in the housing market, and they've done exactly that.
They've weakened investor demand, and of course a part of
that is to therefore put down with pressure on house prices.

Speaker 10 (01:25:17):
So that is the two things.

Speaker 24 (01:25:19):
The higher interest rates, the shifts and tax policy are
weakening the housing market. We think house prices will continue
to decline for quite some time yet, and that of
course is then set to likely weaken the economy as
well and help to get inflation down.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
Now, what are you expecting, Paul, Are you expecting Australia's
housing market to do what we've done over here?

Speaker 24 (01:25:39):
Not of the scale, No, I think you know, we've
got expecting house prices to fall we think of up
to about eight percent. We're down about two already, and
that would be a much smaller decline than the house
price decline you got in New Zealand a few years back.
But you've got to keep in mind that your house
price decline, which I think on sort of the metrics
that I've seen, and it fell by about eighteen percent.

(01:26:03):
That house price decline followed a forty five percent rise
through the pandemic. You saw an enormous rally then followed
by a correction. Australia's story is a little bit different,
and I think that the primary thing that's going to
weaken the housing market here, as I say, is tax
changes and interest rates having gone up three times. It's
not you know, it's not the same scale of the

(01:26:25):
rate hikes that came out of the pandemic that delivered
the big correction you saw in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
Yeah, interesting stuff. It seems to have come as a
little bit of a surprise though to Australia, even to economists,
the extent of the fall that is now predicted.

Speaker 24 (01:26:36):
Right well, I think once the tax changes were announced
in the May budget, look, our own view.

Speaker 10 (01:26:43):
Was we were going to get house price declines.

Speaker 24 (01:26:45):
But I think that particular tax policy shift was not
anticipated well in advance. I mean, that was quite a
that was the bit that was sort of surprising that
there were such hefty changes in the tax system all
that once in the budget. Once that arrived, I think
it was easier to see that they were going to
be house price declines. But yes, because that the tax
change wasn't necessarily wholly anticipated, that was a feature.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
Yeah, thank you very much, Paul. It's always good talk
to you mate. This Paul Bloxam, hsb's chief economist, HSBC. Yeah.
So Australia. I was actually reading about this today. I
thought it was fascinating. A and Z over in Australia
is now predicting their property prices could slump by almost
fifteen percent across the ditch this year generally four point
three percent this year, three point four percent and twenty
twenty seven, and then it would start the recovery and

(01:27:30):
that would be a combined fall of across the two
years ten point six percent. But then it's bigger in
the big cities like Sydney fourteen point five percent, Malbourne
down twelve point eight percent predicted from their peak. And
they're looking at us to see what it's going to
be like because they, as I said, this has come
it's been slightly unexpected for the Australians. A year ago,
News dot com dot Au is running a story in

(01:27:52):
the last twenty four hours about this. They're write this.
A year ago we reported on New Zealand's house price
crash and we asked whether a similar correction could happen here.
The answer from the experts was no. At the time,
Australian house prices were at record highs, buyer incentives like
the expanded five percent deposit scheme were about to take effect.
The property changes property tax changes in the twenty twenty
six federal budget were still a twinkle in the Treasurer's eye.

(01:28:14):
It seemed impossible for values to suffer a decline like
the one scene in New Zealand. Are lot has changed
since then? And then they point obviously to inflation and
the RBA having hiked three times and as Paul just said,
the Aussie government rolling out the capital gains tax more widely,
And they say New Zealand is certainly a warning for Australia.
We've seen what it's done to our economy. Let's hope
they don't have to go through this as well. Nineteen

(01:28:36):
away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
Together for sealand apparently.

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
The schools are banning the yushches. The Herald's compiled quite
a long list of schools that have said please don't
bring the us. She's to school Warnaka Primary School, mang
at E Central School, Colbll School and Massy Snails Beach School,
Cambridge EA School, Pits and Peter's Catholic School. One of
my nephews is going to go there. But Bo School
in Hawk's Bay and Bicargo, WYHALLK High School, et cetera,
et cetera. And apparently what's going on is the the

(01:29:00):
kids are trading the yushi's in classes, so they've been
getting distracted and they're getting into arguments and stuff. We
have so many ushies. Do you need an ushi? If
your kids can't take an go to the swap day.
By the way, they're doing the swap day again. They
did the swap day last week on Friday and apparent
was a raging success and they're gonna do another swap day.
If you need an ushi, holler at me, I'll go.

(01:29:22):
All the ushi's got them?

Speaker 4 (01:29:23):
Are?

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
I think? Oh, we've got so many ushi's. We're having
ushi wars now. So there's like like five or seven
Elsa's who will just go up against R two D
two's and they just have fights with each other. The
boy just goes and lines them up. He lines up
all the blue ones up against the gold ones, and
they have an Ushi war lord and actually like this
weird day. I don't Actually my mom said to me,

(01:29:45):
what are they supposed to do? I was like, I
don't know. She goes, is it? Do you put it
on the end of your pencil?

Speaker 4 (01:29:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:29:53):
Why is it?

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
Honestly, why does it ever?

Speaker 4 (01:29:55):
Question?

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
Why does it have a hole in the bum? Why
is a little a little plastic thing with a hole
at the inside. All he's supposed to do with that?
I don't know. We've discovered baby who's nineteen months old,
has discovered that you can stick it on the end
of your tongue and wabble it around. Who knows, in
years to come, we'll look at the usues and be like,
why were we into this? This is just such an
odd thing for us to get into. I think this

(01:30:17):
is outrageous. This, to me is the most outrageous thing
that has been said all day. Do you know who
Joanna Cherry is? She is a former MP over in
the UK who is a lesbian which is relevant to
the story. She says, Nicholas Sturgeon, you know, the former
First Minister of Scotland should be open about her sexuality
instead of teasing that she's a lesbian, She says, Nicholas

(01:30:37):
Sturgeon flirts and teases us with the idea that she
might be a lesbian. I think that is so outrageous,
and then you google Nicholas Surgeon. Nigga, Oh, maybe she's
I don't know, maybe she's onto something outrageous. Seventeen away from.

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Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
Oh, this is annoying as a result of what's going
on with Caucus tomorrow in the vote of confidence potential
potential vote of confidence that's not a given, but the
potential vote of confidence and Chris Luxen the signing of
a regional deal between the government, the Queenstown Lakes District
and the Otago Regional Council and also the Central Otigo
District Council has been postponed or delayed or whatever. About
forty mayors and counselors had been a tend invited to

(01:31:36):
attend the signing ceremony at ten thirty tomorrow. It's now
being rescheduled as a result of the fact that everybody's
now in Wellington. That's irritating and sorry to them for that.
Thirteen away from seven end Brady UK correspondence with.

Speaker 6 (01:31:47):
Us Allo Enda, Hey, hether great to be back with you.

Speaker 4 (01:31:50):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
Now they're ahead of reform, are they because of Burnham?

Speaker 5 (01:31:55):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:31:55):
The burn and bounce continues, so very good news today
for only left leaning people who support labor. Andy Burnham
only barely two and a half weeks into the job
and he has overtaken all the other parties and is
now ahead of reform for the first time in eighteen months.
So Labor move up to twenty four percentage points and
reform have gone down to twenty two. The big question

(01:32:17):
now is if you're Andy Burnham, do you call a
snap election?

Speaker 4 (01:32:22):
Do you?

Speaker 6 (01:32:24):
I think he could. I think it'd be likely to
be early next year, though he is a gambler. He's
also a very smart man, and I think the calculation
would be that the right is completely split. The Conservatives
seemed to be going nowhere under Kemy Badenoch, and then
you've got Forage. And the conundrum is have we seen

(01:32:44):
peak Reform? Have we seen peak for Age? Are they
at their most brittle point where he can break them?
And I think if you were to walk out into
the street now, any street in any town in Britain
and say who would you like as your next prime minister,
I think the majority people are going to say Andy Barnhum.

Speaker 10 (01:33:02):
Interesting, I really do.

Speaker 6 (01:33:03):
It's an interesting one. Does he go for it?

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
How long do you reckon? He can maintain it.

Speaker 6 (01:33:10):
Look, providing there are no blunders or clangers or major
policy disasters that we kept seeing Starmer flip flopping on
saying one thing and then realizing that was a terrible idea.
I think Burnham's far more in tune with people's thinking
out there. The cost of living stuff he's doing is
being very well received. I think he can maintain it,

(01:33:31):
but like I say, just avoid the big blunders.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
Yeah, interesting stuff. I mean one of the things that
he's really struggled with is what to do with these
killers and whether to let them out or not. So
what's he going to do?

Speaker 6 (01:33:41):
So the latest we have on this, this is the
case of the men responsible for killing PC Andrew Harper
from Thames Valley Police seven years ago. Horrible, horrible case.
He went to my children's school. His family live in
the local area here in South Oxfordshire, a fine young man,
serving police officer, only just marriage. They were honeymooners and

(01:34:01):
he responded to the theft of one of those quad
bite things. Harper's foot got caught up in a rope
that was being used to steal it and those men
dragged a police officer, Andrew Harper, to his death seven
years ago. Now two of them were convicted of manslaughter,
given thirteen years. Believe it or not, they've served half.

(01:34:22):
They're now eligible for early release. And what Andy Barnham
is telling his officials inside Downing Street, inside the ministry
a justice find any mechanism possible to stop those men
being eligible for early release. And I've just seen PC
Harper's mother, Debbie on TV here this morning. There is
a petition now to keep them in prison, which is

(01:34:43):
going to tip over one million signatures today.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
Jeez, that's say something. Now, you guys got another heat
wave coming of in.

Speaker 6 (01:34:51):
Yes, fifth one of the summer. So it's going to
hit thirty five celsius on Thursday. Would you believe in
London and the south of England we in drought. Basically
two thirds of England is in drought. I can't remember
the last time I saw rain in Ireland. We certainly
I've seen it in Ireland this year, not in England.
Everything is parched. Flew back from holidays the other day,

(01:35:12):
flew over so much of England on the way in.
I was just looking. It was like flying over a
dust bowl. Everything is. It's not even yellow, it's not
even straw.

Speaker 10 (01:35:20):
It's just the earth is just parched.

Speaker 6 (01:35:22):
I ran yesterday and the ground feels so hard, harder
than it was in Spain. I mean, this is just insane. So, yes,
heat wave number five incoming. This is not normal, Heather.
This is just so far from our experience. It is
beyond bad.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
Mat Did you see you're not supposed to go out
on the sun if you've taken the ibuprofen makes you
burn worse.

Speaker 6 (01:35:44):
Well, Irish skin, get back to me on that one.
My tube journey to look forward to now.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
Believe it or not, you people are already in trouble.
Thank you, Inda appreciate it. Into Brady UK corresponding, my
man was right. I should have googled. I should have
just done the AI, And I said to the AI,
why do ushies have a hole? Ushi's have a hole
at the base so they can fit snugly on top
of pencils and pens and pens as pencil toppers. So
there you go. Turns out when your mum looks at

(01:36:10):
something and goes, oh, is that what it's for? Probably?
Actually probably is nine away from seven. Get a load
of this. This makes it even weirder. Hagen has texted me.
Hagen listens to the show on the regular. Hagen has
a business in toy importing. Hagen says, we distribute ushies
not to Woolworth's, but to the rest of the market.
It is a pencil topper. They couldn't get the license

(01:36:33):
to sell a small figurine unless they put a hole
in its button turned it into a pencil topper. That
is how the licensing world works. Isn't that dumb? It's dumb.
Why can't you just sell figurines? For the sake of
selling figurines. Who were the licensing? Is it the BSA?
The BSA involved here? Blame everything bad on the BSA,
because yeah, because why not to hate them? I hate them,

(01:36:53):
my mum said, I'm never allowed to say that I
hate anything. Hate is a very strong word. I apologize.
I just intensely dislike the BSA. Now, Amanda Knox I
was having a crack at her comedy show the other
day because I because I went off half cocked, didn't I.
She's now done the comedy show at the Fringe Festival
in Edinburgh and she has got mixed reviews, so the
Guardian gave it a four out of five. If you

(01:37:14):
don't know who I'm talking about, she's the bird who
was accused of killing her flatmate or her roommate in Italy,
and then she went to jail and then then they
decided it was a wrongful conviction and they let her
out again. And that happened about twenty years ago. Anyway,
she was given four out of five for her comedy
show about Possible about allegedly killing her flatmate by the Guardian.
Performer cleared of death in her of her roommate in

(01:37:35):
Italy uses new motherhood as framework for her defiant comedy show.
Says more power to her for peppering this account with
several adroit jokes, even if they elicit more rueful smiles
than laughs. She's an inexperienced comedian. This isn't a show,
but she shapes and performs this emptyenth telling of her story. Well.
I found its spirit of defiance stirring. I found it

(01:37:55):
respectful to the memory of her murdered roommate, as well
as judged and a well judged effort by Knox to
reclaim her awful story as we have any right to expect.
Telegraph disagrees two out of five Amanda Knox can't well
review poignant but painfully funny, Knox delivers her material with
too much actively poison, no fuel whatsoever for comic timing.

(01:38:16):
Humor has not helped. Humor has always helped people to
process terrible events, as the Telegraph. For that reason, great
stand up can sometimes be a source of profound catharsis.
It's a shame this show is so very far from
great stand up. So there you go. You can decide
if I We're not half cock to fire with bang
On without knowing it.

Speaker 25 (01:38:31):
And nice to each other by Olivia Dean to play
us out tonight. Big news about the Olivia Dean show
that's happening in Auckland in October. It's moving venues. It's
gone from Spark Arena to the brand spanking new Western
Springs Bowl that's being built. So this is going to
be the first show that's going to happen since the
big redevelopment there over at Western Springs. I think it
increases the capacity to about thirty thousand people, is what

(01:38:55):
they've been talking about, so presumably they will be able
to move some more tickets, especially since Olivia Dean has
really blown since that show was announced.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
So I love Olivia Dean.

Speaker 25 (01:39:04):
Oh you'll be there then, concert Club, so.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
I was really excited, as were all of Concert Club
when we saw this, because we couldn't get tickets and
we love the song because the song is just a
great song, but unfortunately we can't get tickets. Shut up,
it's a great song. One of the somebody somebody who
works he's incorrect, yea.

Speaker 25 (01:39:22):
As usual, Chief producer Michael music taste has always.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
Been who was Michael obsessed with? How old are you?
Michael you're like forty and you're obsessed with Taylor Sworths
and he.

Speaker 25 (01:39:29):
Likes all the wrong albums, like it's just his favorite
albums are my favorite is completely different.

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
He's a boomer and a millennial's body anyway. So the
problem is because we couldn't get tickets to Olivia Dean.
We were like, yeah, when Macy Gray came and we've
bought tickets to Macy Gray's on the same night. Oh,
Macy Gray is awesome. So I was like, well, on
the ball, it's a probability Macy is going to die,
and it has a greater chance of dying before she
comes back, so we should see her this time. Whereas,

(01:39:56):
unless Olivia gets heavily into drugs and alcohol, she may
we'll be back again while she's still alive. So you see,
I think we've worked out. We've worked this out quite well,
haven't we. Oh, we're not going to get the whole
song game change and feels. I mean, how good? When
will they go?

Speaker 25 (01:40:15):
Sorry, Olivia, just help, I'm sure other people buy they stop.

Speaker 2 (01:40:19):
I believe that thing has no regrets and we should
be to go the way Spotify I try, it's my
own bud

Speaker 1 (01:40:32):
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