Full Show Podcast: 12 August 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
Duplessy Allen Drive Where's One New Zealand awarded New Zealand's
Best Mobile network.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
News Talks EV Afternoon. Welcome to the show coming up today.
Former National Party Minister Morris Williamson on Luxeon beating them again.
Thomas Coglin on why the coup failed, West Pax chief
economists on the job numbers in Eden Park's boss on
the possibility of Auckland hosting the twenty twenty eight NURL
Grand Final Ever do for Celi So Chris Luxon stared

(00:32):
them down and survived again. Now it sounds like what
happened is that both contenders, both of them who thought
they were contenders, Erica Stanford and Chris Bishop, were reasonably
confident they had the numbers to roll Luxeon yesterday afternoon.
But then things swung Luckson's way. Early evening, about eight o'clock,
I got a text that suggested the coup was falling
apart and Luxon was shoring up his numbers. The people

(00:54):
who were defecting from him defected back to him, and
by this morning, the confidence the camp that had the
confidence was his the confidence had shifted back to him.
It looks like, if I could put this really simply,
it looks like that coup fell apart because of egos,
Because neither Chris Bishop nor Erica Stanford was prepared to
go second on the ticket. They actually needed to work
together if they wanted to have the numbers, they needed

(01:15):
to coalesce around one of them. But they couldn't because
both of them wanted to be the leader. And so
what happened in the end is neither of them got
to be the leader. Now I cannot say to you
today the caucus has made the wrong call to back
Chris Luxen, because, like I said yesterday, I the choice
was a really risky choice and a very difficult choice
to make. But the situation the National Party is and

(01:36):
today is the worst situation of all, which is that
the National Party has again for the second time, told
the country that they do not fully back their man,
and then they've left them there to do the job again.
No one is going to believe the false show of
unity of them all standing behind Chris Luxon for seventy
five seconds while he told us his caucus was unified.
It doesn't take three hours in a caucus room to

(01:58):
establish that you unified. It takes five minutes, three hours.
It is what it looks like when there is not
enough unity. The people behind this coup, and this time
it is actually Erica Stanford not Chris Bishop, the people
behind this coup should reflect on what they've done here.
They have just blown the arms and legs off their
prime minister and then they have pushed them out him
out there to try and win the election for them

(02:19):
again because they couldn't get past their own egos to
do a coup properly. You know, there's only one thing
worse than a coup on a prime minister, and that
is a failed coup on a prime minister, because you
do all the damage and you've got nothing shiny and
bright to show for it. This is gonna hurt National,
Mark my Woods. This is gonna hurt National. National will
probably be bleed votes to their coalition partners over the

(02:40):
next three months. I'm still not convinced it loses National
the election, but it makes that more likely, doesn't it.
They only have themselves to blame for what comes next.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Together.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
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Speaker 2 (02:54):
Nine nineteen is a text under standard text fee supply
happy with your text, let's get into it and as
I say, Morris Williamson and Thomas Coglan after five oh,
Barry sober obviously why I'm very indebted to. Now in
about half an hour's time, now, a caravan park in
the christ Choots Red Zone has been given the green light.
The park is going to be on Red Zone land
near the Avon River in New Brighton. It's going to

(03:14):
be open to members of the Caravan Park Association. The
co Governance Committee overseeing the land voted unanimously in favor
of the park. Celest Donovan is a christ Church City councilor.
Is with us now host Celeste, Hey, thanks having me.
So is the deal? Is the park a done deal?

Speaker 4 (03:30):
I think we're most of the way there, but there's
still a bit to resolves, so they have to go
through results concep.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Process and then is that it.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
Well, that's pretty much it.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
So we're easy resource consents like that, eh, really easy process,
done deal exactly.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
I mean they've been through this before. I mean this
is they've got a model that they apply all these
motor Home Association parks. So they've done a bit of
due diligence and they're getting into. So I think the
way forward should be pretty through forward from the end.
Of course, Council can always get in.

Speaker 5 (04:02):
Their way back.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
I think there is quite a bit of support for
the proposal cross Council, and you would have seen that yesterday.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Now. I thought that I heard in the news the
other day that we're busy evicting people from the red
zone to make way for a wetland, are we not.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
I think there's a bit of confusion as so we're
in the red zone. This is so the Red zones
for times, the size of Hagley Parks was a pretty
big bit land and this area is on in a
different bit of the Red zone. It's got a bit
of a different history. It's been used as a sort
of dump site for contractors since the earliest early twentieth century,

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and it's not accessible to the public, so it's not
been used for any other purpose and it's contaminated, so
it does make sense on the site to less it
out for this purpose.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
I think, So hold on, do caravan owners want to
sit on top of contaminated land?

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Do they?

Speaker 4 (04:51):
If you're in a caravan park. I don't think it
matters too much because you're not really sort of it's
not a home, it's a transitional space and you park
there for a few days.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
And you move on, so you're not there long enough
to really be affected by it. Is that about it?

Speaker 4 (05:03):
Well, not unless you're digging a hole in the ground
and creating samper, But I mean it's a similar set
up to what they've got Kaipuy, which is incredibly popular.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
It just strikes me that it does feel a bit odd,
doesn't it, That we've got a whole bunch of people
who are living in their cars and being told they
have to move on, and then we're creating a caravan park.
Should we not If we're doing something like this, should
we not also be creating some space for these people
who clearly need a home as well.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
I think it's understandable why people will draw that comparison,
but I think it's important to say that the sites
are quite different and they've got different histories. So on
the one hand, you've got a bit of land that's
been leased for a transitional purpose and it's been paid
for by New Zealand Motor home associations, so there's no
cost to council. In fact that it'll probably save councils
some money because we maintain that site which hasn't been

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used for anything except for a gravel yard on one side.
On the other side of the river which is quite
low lying. It's returning to wetlands because it is not
suitable place for people to live, and it is and
the regeneration plan for Wetlands over the long term. That's
not a suitable place for people to be living long term.
And I think it makes sense to be looking at
other sites for people, but this isn't the right site

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for them, the Bexley site that they're currently staying at.
So there is a commitment by councilor to work with
other partners on where people might go, but ultimately we
want to move people into housing that's the best long
term place for people.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Now, all right, interesting, Solise, thank you very much, really
appreciate it's lest Donovan christ Church City Councilor here that
I hope it's not going to break the bank buying
the whiskey for Barrier. I reckon, I'm about seven bottles
and debt to Barry now. I think it was already
three and now it's another four. I don't really know
how this works. Anyone. We'll find out from him when
he's with us. Here the interesting take. I've read plenty
of comments today saying they respect Luxeen for showing such

(06:44):
courage and eyeballing his challenges, and I think he'll get
more support now. Interesting because I've been tossing this up today.
I think you have to like honestly, even if you
don't like him, you have to have some grudging respect
for him, right, And if you do like him you had,
your respect goes up a lot because imagine having to
stare this down twice, and it's coming from a different quarter.
Last time it was Chris Bishop and is Lot who

(07:06):
were doing it, by the sounds of things. This time
it's eric A. Stanford and Chris Penk doing it. And
so now you've got enemies all around, and you still
manage to come out every time and steer them down.
I reckon if I was him, I would have just
thrown in the towel ystad As to bugger it. You
can have it off, you go, and kind of kept
my CV in reasonable nick. But no, he stares them down.
He's got the metal good on him. I don't think

(07:26):
that there is I don't think you I just can't
see that there's a flood of support to him for
this maybe tiny bit some women like a little bit
of a sympathy vote, maybe a bit of a sympathy
vote for a hot minute. We'll see what happens, but
we'll talk about the polling impact later on in the show.
Just quickly update on the polking Horn situation. This is
the coroner's in quest into the death of his wife,
Pauline Hannah. It's been adjourned for the day. The family

(07:48):
of Pauline Hannah was supposed to cross examine Philip Polkinghorn today.
That has now been adjourned and that's not going to happen.
This is because the coroner wants to get hold of
the raw footage of that documentary that was on TV three.
You mean, but the one that had al Tits McGee
on it. The hooker is the coroners. There's a part
of the law where she can actually order this kind
of stuff, and she's used the law to order the
documentary makers to hand over the footage. And it's about

(08:11):
four hours of footage and this is the raw footage
from interviews that we're done in twenty twenty two. It's
going to take apparently about a day to get the footage.
So let's see what happens yesterday. But that's just put
the brakes on that for the day.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
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Speaker 2 (08:33):
All right, so there's a little bit of talk about
us possibly actually in Auckland hosting the twenty twenty eight
Grand NRL Grand Final. I feel like this is this
more hopeful than it is real. I'm going to talk
you through that when I get a chance at eighteen
past four Sport.

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Speaker 2 (08:52):
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Speaker 6 (08:54):
Knowing some high ranking Catholics turning out and getting in
the wave everything. Isn't that the case with the NRL
Grand Final.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Who's the high ranking Catholic the Pope? Oh yeah, like
the highest rank the.

Speaker 6 (09:07):
Highest rating Catholic lives up there.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
What would you rather go and see the Pope or
the NRL Grand Final.

Speaker 6 (09:15):
I've already seen n r L Grand Finals, never seen
the Pope. Although I didn't go to us place once did.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
You tell you what the least surprising news of the day,
and really we needed some not surprising news today was
the All Blacks beat the Sharks.

Speaker 6 (09:30):
Yeah, and they tore them apart, which is all well
and good. It was fifty four zip and we've got
Jason Ryan on the show tonight. I caught up them
straight after the game at Yan about what he felt
about that game. Look, there was a that was a
good result, but you've got to take into account their opposition.
It was a post training run. They were great for
ten minutes and they just lost interest. But credit to

(09:53):
the All Blacks. They produced a lot of good stuff
that I think everybody wanted to see. So it's on
the way up. Definitely not the finished product, but showed
signs of learning lessons and applying those lessons. So I
think there's a lot of good to come out of that.
But that all come to pass.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
How did he go?

Speaker 6 (10:15):
He tried to kill Reuben Love.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah, smash.

Speaker 6 (10:19):
I don't get in the way of Martin Ruben to
go over there. You're too valuable to us.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Even at his age, you were still smashing them.

Speaker 6 (10:26):
You should see the state of them. You think I've
got a good body for an.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Old he is his solid unit.

Speaker 6 (10:31):
Is I just compared myself to.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
I'm not going to say anything. Hey, so Aaron Z
has finally published what we've been saying for I think
about a week now, which is that Ali Williams.

Speaker 6 (10:44):
It's been rumored for two or three weeks. Yeah, it's been,
but no one can prove it or say anything, or
they didn't really know.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
He did last Wednesday though, didn't.

Speaker 6 (10:51):
Well, come on, it's happening, is it?

Speaker 5 (10:53):
Is?

Speaker 3 (10:53):
It? Is it?

Speaker 6 (10:53):
But I've tried to get hold of Netborn News Oil.
In fact, I have got a hold of Netburn, New Zealand,
but I'm not allowed to get a hold of anyone
else from Netborne, New Zealand. But because non disclosures, they
can't say anything, so they won't comment. They sent me
a statement game bad nothing.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
So is this why Ali Williams and Animo Brow are
not talking as well?

Speaker 6 (11:11):
You'd expect that's the case. They've been told we're going
to sign this too. You can't say anything, and I
expect that Ali quite likes to talk and maybe the
Department of Wife has said.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Bro, well, if there's NDA's, there's NDA's made the privilege
of the NDAs as well the subject to it. So
what is what's their motivation? Because somebody said to me,
and I don't know if it's true or not, but
it's that's they've got girls who play netball and they
want to save the sport basically as a result.

Speaker 6 (11:36):
Well, it could be that it could be an ego project. Maybe.
I mean, how many bazillionaires own football clubs? Right, it's
just what I've got an entire competition beat that.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
But I mean also, but Darcy also, I mean the
turnaround job. There must be the easiest turn round job.
You have got hundreds of thousands of people in this
country who are deeply in did in a sport and
yet it cannot turn a profit Like that suggests that there's.

Speaker 6 (12:04):
Something not right. And I think that Gena warton first
day today behind the desk, that's the new CEO of
Neckburn Newzel and that's her first job's got That's ah,
she's got a lot on her plate. The problem here
is like with silver Ac when inside love money and
they just ran at it and didn't really think about
what might happened if they had it. They're probably still going.

(12:26):
We actually do so very very careful Neckborny Zelm've got
their back to the wall. They're definitely in dire straits,
but they don't need you to a decision that might
end up costing them way too much long run. But
when you look globally, you've got boards and you've got
sports boards that run the top level and they run

(12:48):
the grassroots and they leave the middle to the professionals.
And maybe that's what they should be doing. But just
tread carefully and talking about that. Tonight have got a
guy Colin Smith on the Showustralian Broadcast Negotiator and he's
going to talk to through all the fishhooks and barbed
wire traps because there's a number of Australian sports have

(13:08):
tried to do the same thing but it's work.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah, thanks us Grave Sports Store Coats to be back
at seven. It's full twenty two. Now we're talking to
Wilhelmino O'Keefe about her new special series of the SMEE
stream podcast, which is common Grounds by an Espresso Professional.
How are you going there, Wills, I'm really well, thank you.
I'm very pleased to hear that. So your new special
common Grounds by an Espresso Professional has just launched. Tell
us about it, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (13:32):
One hundred percent. It's a series we've created with an
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smeethe and business around New Zealand. It's been start a
privilege to step inside some of Altado's most loved businesses,
exploring their culture, business and origin stories and how coffee
helps to bring people and ideas together. Now I know
that it's non secret that the coffee machine is a

(13:53):
big part of most of our work days and workplaces,
and these businesses have actually likened it to the new
water cooler, the hub in the middle of the office
where there's less formalody, where casual chats can be had,
and which I'm told can actually often be where the
best ideas are formed and where culture is strengthened. It's
also been really cool to see how these well known
brands have grown and scaled, all while maintaining that company

(14:16):
culture that they established way back in the early days.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
And that sounds really interesting. Who have you got lined
up to speak to?

Speaker 7 (14:23):
Starch a great lineup A massive broad range of businesses
are spoken to. Tax Traders, which is run by an
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business signature homes Blunt Umbrellas, which by the way, just
celebrated their twentieth Anniverse three this year. Escape Grace. They're
the guys behind what I'm told there is some of
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(14:44):
Seals and Co, as well as Espresso themselves.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Very cool, Willemina, thank you very much. You can listen
on iHeart or wherever you get your podcasts. Just search
for common grounds in the SMEE stream and you will
find them. And that was Wilhelmine O'Keefe here.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
What matters the banks over the law. It's Heather dup
to see Ellen drive with one New Zealand awarded New
Zealand's best mobile network.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
News Talk said a couple of interesting points and please
for our Prime minister. The attempted coup seems to have
been orchestrated by the ever left leaning media and hope
they pull their heads well. Like I said yesterday, this
is not a media orchestration, right, This is orchestrated from
within the National Party and the media simply reported on
what was happening I talked to, Speaking of which ever
left leaning Thomas Coglan, he'll be of us and tell

(15:27):
us what because, as I said at the start, things
clearly went wrong for the Coup people. And we'll find
out from him after five o'clock on the NRL Grand Final.
So as Darcy was just mentioning the NRL Grand Final,
there's a bit of a clash between that in Sydney
and Pope Leo visiting Sydney in twenty twenty eight. Now
the question is whether we can swoop in here and
take it. I really don't rate our chances like I mean,

(15:49):
you never know something could happen, but surely to god,
some other big city in Australia is just going to
get I mean, take for example, Melbourn. What's the capacity
of the MCG It's like one hundred thousand versus the
capacity city of eden Park fifty thousand. I don't really
rate our chances, but whey have it you had to
Eden Park's boss after half past five and see if
he's got something up a sleeve. That man's always got
something up a sleeve. Stand by for that. News is next.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Accountability analysis answers here what matters? It's Heather Duplessy allan
drive with one new Zealand awarded New Zealand's best mobile
network can use talks.

Speaker 8 (16:25):
That'd be.

Speaker 9 (16:29):
Heather.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
The biggest crowd ever at the MCG was Billy Graham,
the US evangelist Simon. That's a weird fact one that
I appreciate, thanks very much. It looks like the Murdocks
have missed out on buying back into the New Zealand
media market. It's being reported today that they haven't haven't
been able to buy media works. It's been sold off
to an Australian media company, Sports Entertainment Group instead, and
they've paid one hundred and thirty million dollars for it.

(16:50):
And they've still got to go through the OEO, the
Overseas Investment Office and stuff. But if it if it
gets all of that approval, October one, deal done, Barry
SOAPA is with us in ten minutes time, twenty four
away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
It's the world wires on news dogs'd.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
The confirmed desktop from the Colombian earthquake has now risen
to two hundred and fifty four and NGO called Project
Hopers in Colombia hoping with the rescue, helping with the
rescue efforts.

Speaker 10 (17:15):
Geographically, this is a huge area that has been impacted
in many cities and including a very difficult terrain on
the other side Western mountains all the way down into
the Pacific Ocean.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Elbows and what I was gonna say, famous, but it's
really infamous, isn't it. Infamous podcast is back in the
headlines again. One Nation and the Coalition have called on
him to apologize to the Japanese Prime Minister because you'll
remember that in the podcast, Elbow mentioned the melons the
Japanese Prime Minister had given him as a gift.

Speaker 6 (17:46):
Got a couple of melons, she brought two.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
She brought too, as you do.

Speaker 6 (17:50):
She just came in looking like Pamela Randers.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
She brought too, Yes, and they're beautiful. Elbow's cabinet ministers
said he doesn't need to apologize.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
This is rubbish.

Speaker 11 (18:00):
The fact that the Liberal Party seemed to be distracted
by this, I think shows they're not fit to govern here.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
And finally, one through a body in mccou jee, a
tourist searching for accommodation in the Philippines, has narrowly avoided
a spell in prison. The woman messaged the bag Yow
City Jail's Facebook page asking if they had any rooms available,
and when the jail staff messaged her back informing her
that the bag Yoo City Jail as a women's prison,
the traveler withdrew her inquiry. I suppose you do get

(18:28):
three square meals a day and a roof over your head,
so it's not half bad.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance peace of mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Dan and US correspondents with US ALLO Dan. Hello, Heather,
So what about Trump getting on the catering truck?

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Ah?

Speaker 12 (18:45):
Boy, this is just exploded in the last few hours.
I mean, this happened as he left Turkey back on
July eighth. We're only finding out about it right now.
And this came a day or so after we started
more strikes on Iran. And what happened is he initially
boarded the presidential seven forty seven. You had the cameras,
you had the reporters. Everybody saw him go up and

(19:05):
into the plane, and then he and several aids reportedly
slipped out another door and into an airport catering truck
and that transported them to an Air Force Sea thirty
two A I believe. And meanwhile you had staff and
White House reporters still on plane. This was because there
was apparently a credible security threat to the president.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Now, how was it that we found out about it?
And the credible by the way, the critibal security threats is
an Iranian assassination plot, wasn't it?

Speaker 3 (19:31):
It was?

Speaker 12 (19:32):
It was, And people are saying, well, stuff like this
just never happens. But you know, he's not the first
president that this has happened to. Back in I believe
it was two thousand, President Clinton flew from India to
Pakistan in an unmarked plane following Air Force one because
there had also been a security threat against him. So
it has happened. At the time, there was only one
reporter I believe she was working for USA Today who

(19:53):
actually knew about it. The White House took her aside
and said, we're going to have to do this extraordinary
security measure. We're keeping it quiet until we lay and
you know, she's speaking out about this right now. But
it's kind of caught everybody by surprise over here.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Now, how is it that we found out about this?

Speaker 12 (20:09):
Because the Washington Post released a story they had some
insiders from the White House. They did a little digging around,
and they found out that this had happened, and then
people started looking at the video and connecting the dots,
and you know, it's understandable. I suppose people are saying,
if you have a credible security threat, you know this
assassination attempt like you mentioned. But there's still some blowback

(20:32):
because I think the original plan was used as a decoy,
and you have questions about the decision to keep the
journalists and the staff, like I mentioned, on board, on
what officials considered, you know, such a threat. So there
are a few upset people about this.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
What are the concerns about the wine styles?

Speaker 12 (20:48):
It's a boy in California. They are tanking right now.
We've did a twenty year low in some areas where
a major producer and exporter of wine through the world.
Canada has been a big market for US. They account
for about forty percent. They've cut back because of tariffs.
We send some of your way too to New Zealand,
although you guys export a lot more to us, but
slower sales and the tariffs mean we're not buying as

(21:10):
much of your wine these days. And unfortunately, the wineries
aren't doing well over here because they need They need
so much water and we've had so much heat and
the fires over here. Wine is very expensive to produce,
so what you have now are farmers that are growing
a gave which is a lot cheaper and it doesn't
require as much water, and it's used for making tequila,

(21:30):
which is seeing a big surge in sales over here.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Now.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
I mean that probably it's probably on sad it's captured
the zeitgeist, hasn't it, because everybody that I know is
drinking cocktails and tequila and spurts now instead of wine.

Speaker 12 (21:43):
Well, I guess your economy is doing a lot better
than ours. You do produce quite a bit down I
know in the South Island as well as the North
as well too.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
But one of those things, it wasn't a finance this thing.
It's simply a preference thing now And they're like, wine
is kind of it's I would have I would have
thought wine is kind of on the tail end of
its popularity because on the dip down.

Speaker 12 (22:07):
Well it is. I mean people do over here still.
I mean the northern California especially has a very big
wine culture, especially with Napa Valley, and you get a
lot of tours over here, and there are parts of
the country where you do have wine is a very big,
you know, tourism industry as well, even up in Washington,
So it's it's more of a lifestyle, you know over
here that then I think it is in a lot

(22:28):
of other parts.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Hey Dan, thanks very much, as always appreciate it, mate,
look after yourself. The dam Mitchison, US correspondent, nineteen away
from five. Do you remember the lad who tattooed the
word notorious across the lower half of his face and
then got mocked by fifty cent for Remember that guy
and like he just like winked to town on the
media coverage that he got for and it was why

(22:50):
he got mocked for it. It was a particularly ugly tattoo.
It's kind of like if you can just if you
don't know who I'm talking about, like where have you been?
But it was it's kind of then the shape of
a bandana across his face, so you know you can
kind of like imagine like it's supposed to replicate a
bandana and this is notorious and a home job. I
feel like it was his brother or somebody who did
it for him, and he got mocked by fifty cent

(23:12):
because everybody looked at him when you're going to land
a job with that crap on your face. And then
he felt bad about it, and then he went public
and said he wanted to remove it because he wanted
to turn his life around. And then a whole bunch
of people donated money too, and then he never got
it taken off. Anyway, update on his story. He has
just been released from prisoner because yeah, yeah, that all
fell apart, Like he didn't turn his life around, did he.
He bashed his girlfriend really badly, and then an old

(23:35):
guy tried to save I think it was in Hawk's
Bay and an old guy tried to save her that night,
and then he bashed the old guy really badly, and
so he went to jail. Anyway, he's just been released
from prison early because he's left the Mungrol mob now
and he's given up his past of violence. He says
it was sentenced to eight years and that happened four
years ago and he's obviously served half the less than
half of that. So we're running a UK type situation

(23:56):
here where you know you don't have to actually do
the time that your sentence fall out you come Anyway,
why the roll board have let him out is because
he says he's left, he's left the he's given his
patch back, and he's given up his past to violence.
I just hope that the parole Board are not made
fools up on this one, because this is not the
first time that old mate Notorious has given up his
violent pass?

Speaker 5 (24:16):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Because he gave up his violent pass when he was
supposed to take the tattoo off, and then he gave
up his violent passed in twenty twenty one when he's
going to come a fitness instructor and oh look, twenty
twenty six he's doing it again. We'll see how that goes.
Because I don't know about you, but I find him
quite easy to spot on the crowd, So yeah, I
think we'll know if he's in trouble again somehow. I
think we'll recognize him. Seventeen away from five Barry Soapa's.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
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Speaker 2 (24:41):
Right, We've got Morris Williams and the former National Party minister,
followed by the Herald's political editor Thomas Cogland after five
o'clock to talk us through the implications of the failed
cup and what went wrong in the failed coup right now,
fourteen away from five obviously. Barri Sooper, senior political correspondent, Hi, Barry,
good afternoon, Heather. Well, now I owe you how many
bottles we'll spit up? Seven?

Speaker 13 (25:00):
No, I think it's four. It was double a quits
last night. I think you owed me before. So that'll
be just for Heather. Oh Seeta in good times.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
So, as I said at the start of the show,
it felt like what happened is yesterday mid afternoon, Erica
had the numbers, or at least a challenger had the numbers,
and then it sort of swung around eight o'clock last night,
didn't that.

Speaker 13 (25:19):
Well I wouldn't have said that. I wouldn't have said
they had the numbers. I think the caucus was divided
from the beginning, but you're right. Things seemed to shift
around as the day went on, and it was interesting
seeing a luxeen finally break the tension that was around
Parliament today and come to the podium and say that

(25:42):
caucus has one hundred percent support behind me, And of
course he had his detractors or potential detractors, Erica Stanford
and Chris Bishop standing behind him. Paul Goldsmith was right
in place, as well, although he was.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
Very much flowerful, so was Mark.

Speaker 13 (26:00):
So you know, interestingly, I wanted to know was it
put to a vote? And people that left were leaving
Wellington today to come back to their home posts.

Speaker 14 (26:15):
A number of.

Speaker 13 (26:15):
Them did say they voted for Chris Luckson, So whether
Chris Lackson moved that vote or somebody else, I think
what's happened here, Heather, is that he's read the Riot
Act in this caucus and said we want no leaks
whatsoever about what went on here today, about how this transpired.

(26:36):
It should never have been in the public arena in
the first place, and I think they've now finally adhered
to them.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
So you're not getting people talking it sounds like. And
what I keep hearing is that basically the two contenders
could not agree with each other on who would be
number two on the ticket. Both of them wanted to
be the leader. This is Erica Stanford and Chris Bishoper,
and because they could not actually strike deals with each other,
that was the end.

Speaker 13 (27:00):
Well you know that. I guess there's all sorts of
suppositions out there, but you know, clearly they both wanted
the job, maybe one more than any other, and that
was Chris Bishop, because you know he was certainly involved
in April.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
But Pink was doing the numbers for Eric of this time.

Speaker 8 (27:20):
Well.

Speaker 13 (27:21):
Pink, interestingly, he wouldn't say which way he voted, although
he did say prior to the meeting that he'd be
voting for Chris Luxon. It'll be interesting to see what
Luckson does from here on in because some would say
that these people who were disloyal and in fact have
discredited the National Party so close to an election should

(27:43):
be dealt to. But I think if Luckson's wise, he
doesn't deal to them. He continues as normal as Helen
Clark once did when she was challenged and embraced to
her detractors, and she was in a different position. Of course,
she wasn't the Prime Minister. But I think that things
will go on pretty much as normal now. And Luxton,

(28:06):
as he said, the only thing he said to the
media the airport was that he's looking forward to the election.
Camp Barry.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
He needs to punish Pink. He needs to punish Pink
because getting that crew to stand there behind him, including
Erica with the bloody brass neck, after what she'd just
done in the last twenty four hours to stand there
directly behind him and try to convince the New Zealand
public that they are all unified. No one's going to believe.

Speaker 13 (28:27):
Does that damage the National Party? You've got certainly Erica Stanford,
who's regarded as a very good education minister. Yeah, I
don't think you can deal to her in that portfolio.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
So you deal to Chris Pink and you kind of
make him the full guy, even though he was only
doing her bidding potentially.

Speaker 13 (28:43):
Yeah, well, you know, he's less important, if you like,
in his portfolio. Certainly Chris Bishop is very important in
his portfolios as well, and he's got a lot, like
on fast Track, so they've got a lot of work
to do between now and the election.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
On that, does Luxe and strip Pink of Defense and
de motormout of cabinet?

Speaker 7 (29:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (29:02):
Well Pink would say he wasn't the numbers man a
number of people, no doubt to you as well a
number of people have said to me he was. So
I guess if Luxon wants a well, not a scapegoat,
but if he wants a scalp, then the obvious scalp

(29:23):
would be Chris Pink, because he would be the easiest
scalp to get given that the other two that were
in the running for the leadership much more important.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
You cannot leave us unpunished, can you.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Well?

Speaker 13 (29:33):
No, I think they should just get on with the campaign.
You know it looked it certainly just unified the party,
and people tend to forget that it was Chris Luson
who unified the party after three leaders in very short order.
So he has been a unifying force and what he
now doesn't want to do is create the impression of
even further division. There'll be divisions there, but you know

(29:57):
he'll be hoping in time that he can show so
that those divisions have healed. Whether he can or not
depends on the vote on November the seventh.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Okay, Barry Listen, thanks very much appreciated. Barry so for
senior political correspondent.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
This is a News talks EDB developing story.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Just a statement from the Prime Minister has just landed.
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has removed Chris Penk's ministerial portfolios.
Chris Penk launched a leadership challenge this week, says the
Prime Minister, which resulted in today's confidence vote. This makes
his role untenable and as such I have removed his portfolios.
Paul Goldsmith is going to pick up Defense Veterans, Space,
GCSB and NZSI sport this spy portfolios, and Simon Watts

(30:38):
is going to become the Minister for Building in Construction.
Is exactly what Chris Luxeon needed to do at the
end of this draw line and punish somebody. Eight away
from five.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
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Speaker 3 (31:00):
Wayne Matpum National MP is well us.

Speaker 11 (31:01):
Can you explain what it is about the National Party
that people on the back bench lose their minds this
close to an election and put their self interest in
front of everyone else.

Speaker 14 (31:09):
Let's look at who's actually done this. The Prime Minister
himself has called this meeting the second time in fact
in four months. He's very grievously wounded by this whole process.
He's given an opportunity to the opposition, if you will,
to point this out day in day out. Now there's
a group of voters out there not where it to
the right who can switch their vote they will be

(31:30):
appalled at what they're seeing.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast, We've
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Speaker 15 (31:38):
I'll say a.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Couple of days ago that we kind of had we
had our pickings of future defense ministers. Could be Chris Pink,
who's good at the job, could be Ron Mark, who's
coming in with New zeal Interfest. I think we just
locked it in for raw Mark post November seven, haven't we.
Chris Luckxon needed to punish Pink. I don't know if
you're aware of this, but when, of course all the
MP's were being interviewed as they were flying out of
the city this morning, out of Wellington into various other places,

(32:01):
Pink refused to say if he'd voted for Luxen, refused
to say it, and also kind of seemed to already
know that he was going to lose his defense portfolio,
said he wasn't concerned about anything other than the fact
that the National Party needs to win the election, and
didn't really didn't worry about the loss of his job.
And I had actually heard maybe a couple of three
hours ago that this was going to happen. I didn't

(32:23):
think it was going to happen today, but the Prime
Minister needed to do it to re establish his authority
because that's the thing he hasn't got now, and this
really isn't going to do the job properly. He's kind
of he's a leader. He's in the same space. This
is glux On now, he's in the same space that
Kirstahmer was all of those weeks leading up to Andy
Burnham Rollingham where he was a prime minister. Yes, but
he had absolutely no authority because of what had been

(32:44):
done to him and the undermining and the white anting.
And I think this is where Luxon finds himself. A
little bit more has been got back by sort of
punishing Pink. We'll see see how it goes. It didn't
need to happen. Data listen question our data centers, our
new genetic modification. Our data center is our new way
hope where most of us can kind to see the

(33:05):
value in this thing happening being I don't know genetic
modification or spy domes or data centers. But then there's
this group of people who just get really weirdly bent
out of shape about it, but like extremely bent out
of shape. Reason I'm asking is because they've got a
data center leader summit in Auckland today kicked off this
morning and the protesters were already eight am. Twenty five

(33:25):
of them had their megaphone, had their placards, having doing
the chanting, like really into it. And the Facebook page
that opposes the data centers has something like seventeen thousand
and a half men mizzilers, like a lot of people
who are into this just for the record, not even toehotes,
not at all. I just quite like the AI. So
if this is what we need, if we need the

(33:47):
data centers to make my search functions go faster, I'm
into that. I don't know about you anyway, it's not
looking good for the job recovery at the stage, just
going by what's going on with SEEK. We're going to
get you those numbers shortly, but first Morris will In
and former National Party minister and Thomas Coglan or what
happened in this failed coupe Today News talks edb.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
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Speaker 3 (34:16):
News talks VBI.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Good afternoon, Chris Luxon has survived the second challenge to
his leadership in four months. After a three hour caucus
meeting this morning, the National Party leader emerged the victor
and insisted that he had the full confidence of the
National Party caucus former National Minister Morris Williams and is
with us. No hoo, Morris got a Morris. Is this
the worst case scenario that they face right now, which

(34:38):
is that they have a public challenge that fails, so
they have all the damage without anything to show for it.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (34:44):
Look, I've always likened a leadership challenge to running into
a machine gun pill box on a hill. If you're
going to come out of the trenches and run at it,
you do it once. You either make it and debilitate it,
or they get you when you die. But you can't
keep doing it, can't go back to the trench control
to try again tomorrow. And because they're just damaging, they're

(35:05):
debilitating all the hard work that caucus members are out
there trying to do every day, it just gets taken
away under their feet. So that this was just the
worst possible thing to be happening to National at this time.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Has he done the right thing. I mean, there are
just so much with this is so bad. I don't
even know where to start. Morris has he done the
right thing though, at least in demoting Chris pink.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Well.

Speaker 11 (35:30):
He couldn't have left it his business as usual. You
just could the last time he left it his business
as usual, and it just looked really bad. You can't
have people plotting and hopeful of making change and taking
you out and then just move on as if nothing's happened.
You flew every one of your caucus back to Wellington
with all the costs involved of affairs and staff, with
ministers traveling and so on, for what to have a

(35:52):
vote that says that we're the same as we started.
You can't just leave it there. And I think he
had to do something. I give him credit for having
taken some action.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
How damaged does he personally by this?

Speaker 11 (36:04):
Oh? Look, these things are the line I was run
as they're cumulative. You know, they don't just one thing
is not a particular incident. It just cumulates every time
you do the rota U a Chamber of Commerce type mistake,
or you run the MMP a referendum on news talks
at b or you every one of them is just
a cumulative and they just keep adding and adding, and

(36:26):
like when you're adding little weights to a bat set
of balanced scales. One day you add a weight on
a little weight and the whole thing tips and goes
the other way. So I don't know how close to
tipping point they are, but it's got to be just
keep cumulating badly.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
What's the most likely outcome for National here? Is it
that they get damaged by this and they bleed to
the other center right parties or are we talking about
a potential I mean, is the election at risk here?

Speaker 3 (36:51):
No?

Speaker 11 (36:52):
No, I think anything to do with parties up, sorry,
voters deserting the current party National would more than like
go either side, either to New Zealand First or to ACT.
I don't see any one of them bleeding across the
aisle to the extreme green teaparty, Maori Possible Opportunity and
Labor coalition. So I don't think the coalition government is

(37:14):
impacted in terms of total number of MPs, but I
think National's tower might be quite a bit lower and
the other side towers come up a bit on eidaside.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Do you want to take a punt at what happened here?
What actually went on behind those closed doors in the
lead up to that meeting?

Speaker 11 (37:30):
And in that manmer well, I've been through several leadership
challenges and I've been the caucus for them, and the
leader basically stumps up and says, you know, there is
talk that you guys are plotting and planning. I want
to know now, do I enjoy your support? Often it's
done in advance. When Jenny Shipley rolled Bulger, she called
each and every one of us the day before on
a Sunday, and said would you support my challenge? And

(37:51):
when I said yes, I don't know about others. She
then said to each of the ones that had said yes,
can you send a fax with thy support Jenny Shipley
and signature. So I filled it up, bit of paper,
signed it and shoved it through the fax machine.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
That's how long ago were to.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Well, maybe that's been wrong. This time we didn't have
a fax machine.

Speaker 11 (38:09):
But they knew the numbers before they approached Bulger. They
just went to them at the airport. Doug Graham said,
we know, we've got the numbers. So that was rolling
a sitting prime minister. But the numbers were done in advance.
None of you in the public or the media even
knew it was happening until it was over. But this
is just debilitating. It's just like a car crash on
the motorway. The car is just so badly damaged every
time takes a pounding and is sometimes not going to

(38:32):
be even driveable if they carry on. So how do
you guarantee this doesn't happen again? Because this is the
second time. Who's to guarantee it won't happen again in
three weeks time or four weeks time?

Speaker 12 (38:43):
I know.

Speaker 11 (38:43):
And it's just sambalic And it does nobody any good
because people are interested in the country.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
The loss has got to be at Morris like nobody's
stupid enough to do it now again, are they?

Speaker 16 (38:53):
Well?

Speaker 11 (38:54):
The thing I want everyone to understand is that when
a party is doing really well, you never hear this.
And I've seen that with Labour were as tight as
a drum for the whole first of their eight and
a half years of their nine years under Helen Clark
john Key government was tied as a drumskin during the
john Keyes time has lead people don't get totchy and
fidgety and so on. If everything's going well and the

(39:17):
Poles are looking good. But honestly, here the nothing focuses
the mind like the side of the guillotine. And for
many of these people that panic that they go, especially
the listies, because the thing about this election, more so
than any other election, is Nationals likely to hold about
thirty eight of its constituencies and be only entitled to
about thirty two from its party vote, which means not

(39:39):
a single listing, not a single list he gets over
and you may even have a two set overhang. Well,
that means you know, that means Nikola Willis, and that
means Jerry Brownly, and that means Paul Goldsmith. It even
probably means Chris Bishop, because I doubt he will hold
Hut South.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
All right, Morris, and thanks very much to appreciate your insight.
That's Morris Williamson, former National Party ministers all the development,
the whole way through has been The Herald's political leader.
To Thomas Coglan, who's with us A Thomas.

Speaker 16 (40:04):
Another good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
So what happened? How did he go from yesterday when
we spoke to you? This is luxon. He was behind
in the numbers by the looks of things, momentum was
on the outside. How do you shure it up?

Speaker 16 (40:15):
Yeah, well, I mean we were talking yesterday and as
of yesterday, I think I spoke to you. At that point,
we hadn't heard from Simeon Brown, who was sick, so
maybe had been sick, but we hadn't heard from Louise
Ups and Paul Goldsmith, Simon Watts and Chris Pink, a
name which obviously carries it have added significance right now
because Chris Pink very clearly didn't have confidence in Christoph
Lucks and he was the one who launched that challenge.

(40:37):
Something clearly happened. So we spoke at five. I went
to the airport immediately after we spoke, and I saw
the last of the National MP's coming in a large
bulk of National's MP's. They live in Autans. They were
coming in on those late flights. We saw Mark Mitchell
coming in. He stopped talking, gave this message speech of
loyalty to Christoph lucksm We saw Goldsborth, he was pretty loyal.

(40:58):
We saw even back then too, is like Carlos Chunger
that give some support to the Prime minister. And they
then headed to Government House. We saw some the lights
on there last night. We had a someone call in
saying they saw crowned cards heading over there at some
point in the in the evening. They clearly worked out
that the challenge didn't have enough support to be a

(41:21):
done thing. I think I think what they might have
done at Government House had had it been clear that
the challenge was to successful. You would think someone like
Mark Mitchell and Paul Goldsmith, those real allies of blacks,
and they would have gone to him and they would
have said, look, Mats, it's over. You should resign and
save your dignity. Clearly, by the time they showed up
at Government House last night, they were there. It looks

(41:42):
like they were there or midnights or beyond. It looks
like clearly at that time they said, actually, you know what, mate,
I might have this.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
I got the first indication that Luxeon had probably still
had the numbers at around about eight, so it was
probably actually but it may have been before they left
Auckland that the thing was already settled.

Speaker 16 (41:59):
Yes, I agree, but I spoke to someone who was
at the Orphan the Airport Coddu Lounge last night who
said that it was a higher activity activity. So maybe
this is a coral lounge kind of plot. Okay, that
minister to keep him in the place.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Who knows. Okay, So Chris Pink. Was Chris Pink, who
has now taken the fall, doing this on his own behalf?
Or was he doing this for Erica Stanford?

Speaker 16 (42:21):
I would I would think you're at Stamford. But I
happy Chris Bishop as well. I think he was a
classic talking horse sometimes they called chemic cazi's. They launched
the attacks, and these stabilized they do that. They launched
the attack so that it triggers the confidence boat and
then and Pink's ideal world, that confidence spoke would have
been triggered, laxlm would have lost. And then the contest

(42:42):
opens up to anyone. And then if you're Chris bishfore
eric Is Stanford that you can then put up your
hand and say, look, I wasn't a stabilizer. I didn't
I'm not doing this, yes, but come to me so
that I think that's what happened there.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
All right, Hey, thank you Thomas appreciated Thomas Coglan, the Herald's
political editor. I'll come back to this in just teck.
We have convey because this is such an enormous occasion
for the National Party because they are the lead governing
party obviously for the country and the Prime Minister. We've
convened the A team huddle, Soo, Trish and Josie will
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Speaker 3 (44:03):
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Speaker 2 (44:04):
L nineteen past five. Now, employment seems to be a
little bit of a lag in terms of the economic recovery.
According to seek data, job ads in July fell about
a percentage. Boy, it was actually zero point eight percent.
This is the third consecutive month to month drop and
the applications for jobs continuing to climb. Kelliacold is the
chief economist at Westpac and with US high Kelly Hi.

(44:25):
Unemployment's peaks, but do you think we're going to bance
around the bottom for a bit here?

Speaker 5 (44:29):
Yeah, it seems likely.

Speaker 9 (44:31):
I mean, the labor market didn't really emerge unscathed from
the Iram War, probably just put off for three to
six months some of the decisions businesses might have otherwise
made to hire. And we're seeing the implications of that
and the unemployment rate and job adds growth which is
just coming off a little bit now.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
So why why put it off? Is it just to
kind of assess the situation a bit, make sure it's
the right decision.

Speaker 9 (44:57):
I think a lot of firms have just been a
bit concerned about the uncertain environment. Perhaps at the start
of the year they were looking forward to a much
better year, but business confidence rarely got buffeted around the
last three or four months as the petrol price went
up and down saber the consumers as well, and it's
been easier just to tack some of these decisions to touch.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
What do you think the election is going to do
to it?

Speaker 9 (45:21):
Well, the same risk as there again. I mean, the
polls suggest that things are quite close, and the business
to generally views the risks of a move to a
left landing government more negatively. So you know, I would
have thought for the next couple of months or so,
businesses may feel like things are in a state of
flux until it becomes clear who's going to be in

(45:43):
charge of the country.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
I suppose if we want to get jobs, we've got
to go into the mining, resources and energy. What's going
on there that they're going up like that?

Speaker 9 (45:51):
Well, commodity prices are very strong. Those global semiconductor markets
are very strong, and anything that derives off that is
quite strong. Same with commodity markets in general. Like our
agricultural commodities still in reasonably decent demand. That's why we
see employment trends in the South Island in particular being

(46:11):
quite a bit stronger than in the North Island.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Yeah all right, Kelly, thanks very much, appreciate it. Kelly
called West Pax chief economist. This is what's going on
with mining, resources and energy job ads up three point
three percent month or month up thirty eight point five
percent year on year. Right, let's deal next with what's
gone on with the National Party. Five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
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Speaker 2 (46:48):
Hea The Bohemian Rhapsody. The critics hated it, people loved
it in the same way the average voter will move on.
The political analysts can make a meal out of this
for weeks to come. You properly, well, you may be right.
Let's see how it goes. It's five to twenty five. Look,
I think you've got to once again respect the Prime
Minister for this right, You've got to respect his grit,
just like after the attempted coup on Chris Luxan back
in April, he stared them down again and he prevailed again,

(47:09):
And that takes courage. But this time is different. Last
time he was defiant. In his post meeting victory speech,
remember that he blamed the media, blamed five or six
people who were undermining him. This time, gonna have a
look at it. He looks bruised, and I can only
guess that that at why that is. But I suspect
it's because he knows what they have just done to him.
They have wounded him very, very badly. They have twice

(47:33):
now tried to kick him out of his job. Some
of those people with the absolute brass neck standing behind
him as his support crew have basically declared to us
that he is not good enough for his job. And
yet they now stand behind him and say they's got
our support. Now they expect him to bring home the
bacon on November seven. They've just made his job so hard.
It was hard enough already for an inexperienced MP. I

(47:55):
don't think that you are going to see a perceptible
pole like look at the polls that come out now.
You're not going to see a big pole drop. Right,
there's not going to be a post coup pole drop
for the National Party. But what this is going to
do is it is going to chip away at the
Prime Minister for the next three months because he is
now a figure of ridicule. Hipkins is going to take
the merciless piss out of him. The media is going

(48:16):
to persecute him. Every single error that he makes will
be prosecuted disproportionately, and there will be more errors, mark
my word, because Luxon is now a manned under extreme pressure,
and people under pressure make a lot of mistakes. Now
we need to talk about the people behind this. I mean,
Chris Pink doesn't matter. We've discussed Chris Pink. He doesn't matter.
Actually it's Erica Stanford. Now I'm not coming for Erica
Stanford on this, but Erica Stanford was the one who

(48:39):
clearly was going to benefit. She was the one who
swam through the airport last night looking as prime ministerial
as possible and refusing to say anything. She was the
only contender who did not publicly express confidence in Chris
Luxeon yesterday and today she stood beside him or behind him,
directly behind him actually in a show of support. Now,
all power to her. If she wanted to take the job,

(48:59):
she may actually have been very good at the job.
Who knows. That is not the problem here. The problem
is she didn't take the job and take the Gnats
to glory. Nobody took the job and took the Nats
to glory. What they did instead is they badly wounded
their leader and then stuck him back out there and said,
now that we've wounded you, go for it, mate, do
the best you possibly can. Now they're trying to pretend

(49:20):
nothing happened in It's all okay. That is probably why
Chris Luxon looks so defeated today, because never mind Chris Hopkins,
it's his own team who hurts.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Him the most ever duple see Ellen.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Mark Mitchell basically said that's going to happen. Mark Mitchell
says the party will likely take a hit in the polls,
probably take a hit in the polls, but the important
thing is we bounce back.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Now.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
We've done it very quickly, you know. I hope, I hope.
I hope the swiftness with which they've dealt with it
will kind of stem some of the bleeding. But I
think it's uh, well, Chat to the you know what,
we'll chat to the huddle. The question I think now
after all of this is done is what does National lose.
Do they lose vote share to their coalition partners, like

(49:58):
Morris Williamson said, and they still they still win the election,
they just a smaller party as a result, or do
they lose the election? Because that has now got you've
got to be asking that question. Is this going to
cost the whole thing to right the election? Anyway? The
A List huddle, Trisius and JOSEPHC Garney with us shortly
on that. Nick Salton, the boss of Even Park, on
whether we can get that Grand Final in a couple

(50:19):
of years.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
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Speaker 3 (50:31):
Sa'd be that now it ain't like ducking thanks can myself.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Has posted its results state but not that Actually, like
I said, two percent drop in the cash profit, it
sounds to one point three billion or something. I think
it's largely due to that class action. But we'll have
a chat to the CEO Vittoria short after six about
that and of course, we've got the A team huddle
standing by. They'll be with us shortly. Right now, it's
twenty four away from six now. There is a little
bit of speculation that all Land might have a chance

(51:01):
at hosting the NRL Grand Final in a couple of
years time. The problem is that the final and twenty
twenty eight are supposed to be in Sydney, but it
clashes with the Pope visiting Sydney. Eden Park Chief Executive
Nick Sultner's with us a Nick good eveing have it
thanks to you?

Speaker 5 (51:15):
Tom here?

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Would you like it?

Speaker 17 (51:18):
We would love to see at our national stadium. We've
held most of New Zealand's biggest sporting moments and the
prospect of an NRL Grand Final would be mouthwatering.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
How do you rate your chances?

Speaker 17 (51:31):
Well, as we know the States of Victoria invests significantly
in major events. But what I would say is that
Peter Land has made it very clear the international markets
is a target. They've got games being played in New Zealand,
they've got games being played in Las Vegas. So what
a statement to make at our national stadium to hold
the biggest game outside of state of origin A league final?

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Problem would be apparently it's Auckland or Melbourne, but the
MCG has about double the capacity in the Eden Park,
doesn't it.

Speaker 17 (52:03):
It does, but it's also eighteen thousand square meters and
the back row of the MCG you may as well
be at home watching on TV that far away from
the action. So we're an intimate, hybrid multi purpose stadium
and the Warriors fans across the ditch. When you look
at Magic Ground at sun Cook Stadium, most of the

(52:23):
crowd was actually Warriors fans. So there's no question when
you look at participation numbers in the country, participation in
the league, it would be a statement for all codes
to watch and observe.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Do you reckon it would take money? Would we have
to pony up a bit of cash to lure it
over here?

Speaker 17 (52:40):
Definitely there need to be an investment. But as we know,
these events deliver economic benefit. But it's the halo effect.
It's the hype associated with whether it be just a
city where people want to live, stay, playing, work, but
hospitality our our hotel sector. We see with concerts over
twenty seven percent of hotel rooms full. We want people

(53:03):
to arrive as a ticket holder and leave as a
tourist and a tent pole or blockbuster. Events of this
nature are the events that we want to target for
our national stadium.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
You got any cool stuff coming up that you haven't
yet announced, because I was talking to a friend of
mine last night, Nick, and we've got a little bit
of a gap there in October November we could fill
with a gig. If you've got one or two coming up.

Speaker 17 (53:25):
Well, we do have Robbie Williams and guns. I was
already going fantastic and there is some announcements in the pipeline.
I don't like jinxing them. We would have loved to
see Olivia Dean at Eden Park, but let's hope in
the future the next tour is at Eden Park and
we're able to deliver that economic benefit for the city
and the country.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
A couple in the pipeline love the sound of it.
Good on your mate, look after yourself. Nick Saultner, Eden
Park Chief Executive. I hadn't realized this because I told
you about the Olivia Dean well Anson, I told you
about the producer Ans, and I told you about the
Olivia Dean announcement yesterday. I hadn't realized this. But there
are some people who are grumpy about this because they
got themselves some premium seats at Spark Arena and now
that it's been bumped over to Western Springs and its outdoors, oh,

(54:07):
they're not happy at all.

Speaker 16 (54:08):
Now.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
It will not surprise you to know that. It's obviously
people who are on the older side, do you know
what I mean? Because they want to be indoors and
would be nice and warm, not happy about it at all.
So anyway, that's something. What a surprise. Twenty one away
from six the huddle with.

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Speaker 2 (54:27):
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Speaker 6 (54:32):
Hello?

Speaker 2 (54:33):
How do you sum up today?

Speaker 3 (54:34):
Trish? I think the.

Speaker 18 (54:36):
National have achieved something quite remarkable even for politics, and
that is to achieve both cockup and conspiracy.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
How so, well, you know, the cockup is obvious, don't
need to explain that, and.

Speaker 18 (54:52):
The conspiracy is what went on in the back end.
This is absolutely unprecedented. So first of all, this is
not a fractious first term opposition that's blood letting because
they can't get support and the lead into an election
to roll a government. This is a first term governing

(55:13):
National Party. Secondly, this is now the third attempt at
a coup to roll luxeen and.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Because are you counting the November one?

Speaker 18 (55:23):
So I'm counting the November one even though it was
called an embryonic co So in my view.

Speaker 19 (55:29):
If they've all been embryonic as well.

Speaker 18 (55:31):
If you are, if you are in, particularly in cabinet
of a political party, one of the things that you
need to be able to organize is to roll the
leader if things aren't working. And I think this demonstrates
the issues in the National Party if they can't hold
an effective coup. And the other point is for National
they are now at consistently historically low polling levels. My

(55:57):
question after today's coup is where do those swing voters go?

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Now?

Speaker 18 (56:03):
The risks I think for National that we know voters
are grumpy and they are looking around for alternatives, So
they won't necessarily go to Labor, who voters are equally
grumpy about, but they're going to be looking around at
Act New Zealand first, potentially even someone else like the
Opportunities Party.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Okay, well, see the Opportunity Party trish is a problem
because that is a vote for the center left. So
are you of the opinion that they lose vote share
like the center right government is returned, but the National
Party loses votes to either side, or are you of
the opinion that they lose the election.

Speaker 18 (56:37):
No, I think they are still going to win. That
center right will still take the election. It's on a
knife edge as close.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Absolutely, it's very very close.

Speaker 18 (56:46):
I do think though they're in danger of vote share.
Don't forget that the NATS historically lose about four points
on polling going into an election, So if they're currently
on what even you know, twenty nine, that's going to
put them down to about twenty five percent.

Speaker 19 (57:00):
Yeah, I think start preparing for a labor government. I
think they've just gar to change a government.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Yep, I think it. How does that most practically?

Speaker 9 (57:09):
So?

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Where does explain to me how a voter is going
to where they switching to to make that happen. But
just look at what it looks like.

Speaker 19 (57:17):
So I think you're right that I don't think they'll
necessarily go to labor. I think they'll go to Opportunity Party,
they'll go to hold their nose and go to New
Zealand first. Some will go to act even if they
do scrape in though heather On a say a twenty
eight or a twenty nine or twenty seven or whatever,
and so it's a weakened National led government or barely

(57:39):
National lead, then.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
It's going to be all On afterwards.

Speaker 19 (57:43):
I just think, look, everybody looks bad from this, so
Luxon looks self serving. I mean, clearly the best thing
to do for the National Party was to do a
dignified exit and put a new face on what are
we left with. Now It's going to still be no
lux and face on the billboards because they know he's

(58:03):
not an election vote winner.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
It's going to be the same.

Speaker 19 (58:06):
Campaign, which is how awful all the other side is,
and not about the big thing that Luxon hasn't been
able to do, which is articulate a plan, a vision,
a sense of what his theory is of politics and
how he's going to grow New Zealand out of this
whole and deal with the world where we've got, you know,
the US threatening to invade Greenland and.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Stuff like that. So and the coup.

Speaker 19 (58:30):
You're absolutely right. I mean, if you come at the king,
you better not miss. And they look weakened as well.
I mean, for goodness sake that they've attempted this cup
and failed dismally. So either they couldn't decide between Erica
Stanford and Chris Bishop and they just lost their nerve.
But what they should do now, if they want to
take the high ground and not look self serving, is

(58:52):
I think they should resign, go to the back benches
and say, yep, we try to coop because we Erica Stava,
Erica Staffand and Chris Bishop, and I think the pink
panther should have done it, should have done it before
he got rolled.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
That way you look better.

Speaker 18 (59:06):
Well, that's not going to happen. I think that's not
going to happen, but it should completely de stabilizing the issue.
I think for Chris Luxen from here, I kept giving
this image in my head today He's like one of
those balls at the end of a bullfight, mortally wounded
and ultimately the end is going to come. We just
don't know when it's going to come. The bigger issue,

(59:27):
I think that the problem that this didn't solve today.
So okay, Luxeon got the numbers. But fundamentally, the problem
that National needs to solve is that it it currently
can't connect with voters. And how is luxeen continuing as
a leader going to change that now in the lead up.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
To the election.

Speaker 19 (59:47):
And it won't change, Trish, well, it won't change.

Speaker 18 (59:49):
But also even in the what was it fifty six
seconds of the stand up press conference when Chris reh
Luxean came out to say, look, it's all good here
and we're all happen nothing happened. He repeated at least
three times this line where fixing the basics and building
for the future. What National haven't learned over three years
is every time they have come up with a slogan

(01:00:11):
like that, whether it's this, whether it's growth, growth, growth,
whether it's getting New Zealand back on track, saying something
doesn't mean it comes true. You have to actually do
the work to affect the change.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Hanging a tack, let's take a break, come back shortly
caught it to.

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Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Brand twelve away from sixty back of the huddle, Tricius
and Josepigani trishm when you were just talking there, it
sounds like you think Josie already said she thinks this,
but it sounds like you think he should have quit today.

Speaker 18 (01:00:40):
I did think that, well, if I were Christopher Luxan
heading into today and effectively, this was the third time
that my leadership had been seriously challenged, and that my
ability to lead effectively had been a consistent negative theme
for this government and a drag on my party's popularity.

(01:01:01):
If it had been me today, I would have said.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Guys, I hear it.

Speaker 18 (01:01:06):
You take it from here for the benefit of the party,
the benefits for the party and for the country.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Yeah, okay, Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:01:12):
I spent the afternoon failing, dismally trying to get Claudes
to create a picture of Luxe and stand up with
Bush and Erica Stanford standing behind him, and put Christopher
Hipkins in there, because if there's one person that's really
celebrating Luxe and staying on, it's the Labor Party and
it's Chris Hipkins, and actually it's probably all the small parties.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Would it have been like because everybody, if we're a
hot minute there. Yesterday, it seemed Josie that that that
the numbers were coalescing around Erica Stanford and the offers
were being made. Mark Mitchell is her deputy, Chris Bishop
is her finance right, the thing was firming up for
a minute there. If she had taken it, would she
necessarily have been better?

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Though?

Speaker 12 (01:01:53):
Oh?

Speaker 19 (01:01:53):
Look immediately though that you would have got this image
of a strong woman that some don't like. And I
think her unlikability for some wasn't necessarily a negative for her,
because I got phoned up by CNN last night to say, oh,
is Erica Stanford the new Jacinda dun And I said no,
they have completely different theories of politics. You will never

(01:02:15):
hear the words be kind coming out of Erica Stanford's mouth,
and that I think would be a plus for her.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
So you'd have a strong woman.

Speaker 19 (01:02:22):
You'd have Chris Bishop, who reaches out into a labor seat,
has won a labor seat before, so he can win
over some of those labor voters. You'd have Mitch Mark Mitchell,
who is the sort of Rory Stewart of the National Party,
a decent conservative guy. So you would have had this
lineup that looked really new and different, and we would

(01:02:44):
be talking about, Wow, that's a big change. So no
longer would opportunity inhabit the area of change. It would
be this new National Party. And they could have campaigned
honor much, done much more to do much to risk.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Problem was would it looked good? But problem was a
big risk? Isn't it trish? Because you never know if
somebody is going to be good at the job will
suck at the job until they're in the job. They're
saving grace at the moment is they still win the
election because the center left sucks? Well, that's right.

Speaker 18 (01:03:10):
I mean, it was a terrible choice that they were
confronted with today, and really there was no great There
was no perfect answer, and we can't tell whether the
counter narrative would have been the better thing. I think
the saving grace for the center right and National particularly
at the moment is that labor particularly are in such.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
A frail state.

Speaker 18 (01:03:35):
Not only have they failed to announce any sort of
significant policy. My view is that we all said after
the Ardouran government was elected surprisingly in twenty seventeen, when
Winston sort of picked them to govern, that they were
unprepared for government. In my view that despite being in
government for six years and on opposition for three a
Labor Party under Chris Hipkins would even be even more

(01:03:58):
unprepared for government. And there is very thin bench depth
within that Labor Party. So I think that is National
saving grace today.

Speaker 19 (01:04:08):
But I think you'll see the smaller parties. I mean,
already we've seen this flush towards Opportunity Party, which is
a kind of it's a kind of protest vote against
National and Labor. So I think you'll see more going
to Opportunity. I think you see some National voters going
to Opportunity saying you know, look, you guys have had
an absolute cluster of a day. You all look self serving.

(01:04:31):
You know that the coup makers couldn't decide who was
going to be first and second in the interests of
the party in the country Trish and Luxon looks like
he's just put himself before everybody. So I wouldn't be
surprised if the smaller parties go up and you end
up with a sort of center left block led by

(01:04:51):
maybe a Weekend Labor. But some of that can cobble
together a huge coalition.

Speaker 18 (01:04:56):
I actually I'm going to take a different take here.
I think one of the winners out of this maybe
Act I think that David Seymour the line that he.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
Has become so statesmanlike, isn't he? He has been very clever.

Speaker 18 (01:05:06):
He's stayed out of the coalition squabbling and in fact,
through this whole thing today he's focused on the messages
for New Zealand and in fact I saw him briefly
this morning he said, look, all of this aside, the
one thing this government has to focus on is getting
through the RIMA reforms, which are the most important thing
we can do. So I think that that act may
be the winner here, especially if they're those center right

(01:05:29):
voters who are frustrated with national.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
To say fully and holy sick of politics. Yeah, I
agree with you guys. Thank you so much for coming in.
It's wonderful to see both of you. Is Tris Sharson
and Joe Speguanny our a list huddle who got called
in for an emergency huddle? Seven away from six.

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Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Hither You're wrong label will win with the left, dumpties,
this is national suicide. I think you are wrong. I
still don't think the left wins. I don't because look,
go back to the fundamentals. What do people vote vote on?
What is the thing that drives us when we're in
the ballot booth. It is always our economic circumstances. It
is always the economy. It's always whether we feel like

(01:06:13):
we're flush or poor, or we want to see some change,
we want to buy a house, we don't feel like
we can whatever. And I don't think this internal fighting
in the National Party leads you to actually change your vote.
I think maybe I think you bleed to the sides.
I don't think you bleed across the line. So I
still don't think the left wings on this tell you
what I'll tell you. This morning, I was watching all
the coverage coming in in all the MP's and stuff.

(01:06:34):
There was a moment where I realized that Chris Luxon
almost certainly had the numbers. And it was when Nicola
gregg opened her mouth Nicola Gregglington and said, Erica Stanford
is a very good friend, but I don't believe she's
a prime minister. I thought, who bold move? And you
only pull a move like that, like you only absolutely
shite all over somebody a potential leader if you know

(01:06:57):
that that person absolutely isn't going to be the leader.
Otherwise you're in trouble. But hey, what an awesome friend day.
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for ASB Bank has reported a net profit after tax
cash profit after tax of one point three billion dollars
for the year to June thirtieth. That's down two percent

(01:08:44):
on the year before. Vittoria Short is the ASB chief
executive Hibatoria.

Speaker 5 (01:08:49):
Hey there, Heather.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
That drop is that largely down to the cost of
the class action.

Speaker 5 (01:08:54):
So the drop is largely down to a threat thin
personally inflation. Thanks, and we've been a lot of it,
including on technology. We've also had a very big investment
in technology that's driving our expenses up. And then yes,
we've had the class action.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
Yeah, apart from obviously what you've just mentioned, does business
otherwise much of the same as it has been, like
just tacking along nicely.

Speaker 5 (01:09:19):
We've been really pleased actually that more customers are choosing
ASP so we have grown at or above the market
across every single part of our business. That's home loans,
that's business lending deposits.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
And also key we favor what do you put that
down to.

Speaker 5 (01:09:36):
We've been working really hard to make sure that we
are being consistent and that we're finding ways to support
our customers. And just as a quick example, the cost
to provide a home loan, to say a one one
year home loan, because of the Middle East solacility, that
cost increased by eighty three basis points for home loans.
We've only passed on half of that to our customers.

(01:09:59):
We've been Is this testament of a shock.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Absorber, Yes, is this testament to the fact that there
is actually quite a fair bit of competition in the
banking sector.

Speaker 5 (01:10:07):
There's a ton of competition in the banking sector, and
there's more and more competitors coming and all the time,
so you know, we've really got to be at the
top of the game.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
Ok.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
You know you've talked a little bit about streamlining as
begin modernizing the business. What do you mean by that?

Speaker 5 (01:10:21):
So we've been really investing in technology and new processes,
bringing different skills and people into our business. A couple
of like really quick examples. Our new contact center in
conjunction with AI that we've put into the contact center
means that we're reduced the turnound times by forty percent

(01:10:43):
of the core waite times. That's a just a really
good example of new systems, AI people all contributing to
make it our customers SRETA.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Now it won't have escaped your attention. I'm sure this
week that the National Party hasn't made it clear that
they're looking at a banking tax next term. What do
you make of that?

Speaker 5 (01:11:02):
Yes, but the banking tax is out for consultation, So
we just got that this week and the team will
be going through and having a look at it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
I think we're talking about two different things. That's the
part Prudential levy that you're talking about, is that yeah, yeah, yeah,
So they're talking about another tax on top of that.
How would you feel about that?

Speaker 5 (01:11:20):
I think the banks pay their full tax. We're really
big at tax payers in New Zealand. We pay our
full tax. We're very big employers and we support the
economy through supporting a lot of New Zealand suppliers. So
I think, you know, we really participates fully in the
New Zealand country.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
All right, now, listen to the economic recovery. How's it
looking to you? Has it already started?

Speaker 5 (01:11:45):
Look, the economic recovery has been stopped start and the
biggest thing is it's been uneven. It's uneven across regions,
it's uneven across sectors. Things that we are really closely
watching for though, is business confidence. We can see in
our pipeline that businesses are getting ready to invest more
or bring on more in terms of employment, but not

(01:12:07):
just yet. So we're watching pet prices, we're watching net
migration for that strengthening. And we know that from what
we can see, there's a lot of resilience in our businesses.
So interesting that there is year on year households and
businesses and difficulty has dropped by twenty five percent, so

(01:12:29):
we're definitely seeing improvements.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Alright, Vatoria as always, it's lovely to talk to you.
I really appreciate your time. That's Victoria Short, the ASB
Chief executive.

Speaker 5 (01:12:36):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
One News has cheeky from them, but bold move has dropped.
One News Varian poll on today, of all days, here
are the numbers for you. National is on twenty nine,
Labour is on thirty. New Zealand First is on eight,
Actors on nine, the Greens are on twelve, the Maori
Party is on one, The Opportunity Party is on eight.
The preferred prime minister numbers are Luxanon seventeen, Hipin on

(01:13:00):
fifteen see more on five. Peter's on seven. At this stage.
According to one news variant, it is as Josie was
predicting a change of government. So it's fifty seven seats
for the center right and fifty nine seats for the
center left. Let me give you the numbers, and by
that I mean the financial numbers. INSID x fifty, not
the political numbers. INSID x fifty is down almost a

(01:13:22):
percentage point today. The ASX fifty is down half a
percentage point so far today barrel of Brent crude is
now costing you a wee bit more so it's ninety
US dollars. It's gone up. When I say we, but
I mean sort of significantly. It's gone up from eighty
four yesterday. One New Zealand dollar is worth fifty nine usns,
eighty three Australian cents, fifty one eurosents, forty three UK
pens and ninety four yen. Milford Act Management is with

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Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
Heather Duplicy Allen Heather.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
The danger for national at the moment is depressed turnout
because of this dude you bang on. Actually that is
a fair point. It's that people look at it and go,
I just I can't be bothered. I'm disheartened. I can't
be bothered, and then they don't turn up, and that
is actually a real problem. Sixteen pass six jeremyhuss and
MILF and Asset Managements for us A Jeremy, Hey, So
we've got the earning season underways. Start with a two milk.

(01:14:55):
What's the market looking for next week with this result?

Speaker 20 (01:14:59):
Yeah, I mean it's fair to say the two Milk
share price this year has been on a bit of
a roller coaster. I mean it started well year well
with an earnings upgrade in February, but since then, over
the second quarter, their share price fell forty percent, and
this was on concerns that their product was out of
stock in China. Their very important China label infant formula

(01:15:19):
product was struggling to get into market, and to be fair,
they scrambled well. They gave a good update in June
and the share price recovered some thirty percent. So what
are mess is expecting next week at their result? I mean,
their outlook for twenty fy twenty seven revenue growth will
be very important. Have they had some disruption from these

(01:15:39):
stockouts and winning those customers back. They've also done a
really good job recently at releasing new products and expanding
into new geographies. Can they keep the momentum up there?
But what I would say with a two milk, I
mean around updates. It's hugely volatile given the split views
out in the market. So I think there's a high
chance in Monday on Monday that we could get a

(01:16:01):
big move up or down for a two milk.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
Talk to me about Spark because it has been tough
for Spark recently. A bit of a rally recently though,
but really it's been quite hard. What are we expecting
for their result?

Speaker 5 (01:16:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (01:16:13):
I mean this year has continued to be quite tough
for Spark. I mean, in the first half of the
year the share price was down another twenty percent, But
you're right, I mean it has bounced back a little
bit recently, mainly on that update they gave in July
where they reiter rated their guidance for this result coming up,
and then they announced a strategic review of their IT
services business. So the market next week we'll be looking

(01:16:37):
for their view on next year's outlook. But I think
earnings could still be under a little bit of pressure
given their continued mobile market shared the clients for Spark,
and then comments around the very important dividend and credit
rating could be discussed too. So I suppose the question
is for Spark, I mean, can this business in its
current format, with its balance sheet, can it sustain the

(01:16:58):
current dividend level? And I think we really need to
see some evidence of earning stability before the market gets
more confidence in the story.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
And then, of course, Flitcher Building has been another share
price on a bit of a roller coaster. Are they
going to highlight any green shoots for the construction industry?
Do you think?

Speaker 12 (01:17:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (01:17:14):
I mean Fletcher's share price this year, I mean it's
been in the Iran linkd washing machine so to speak.
I mean it rarely reasonably well in Q one alongside
the New Zealand economic recovery. But then we had Iran.
The share price fell thirty percent, but to be fair,
I mean it's bounced back really well. It's pretty much
back to where it was pre Iran. So the market,

(01:17:35):
in my view, is clearly assuming that there will be
an uptick in activity and building material activity, local construction.
I mean, we know the residential housing market in Auckland
has been a bit weak, but can the rest of
the country lift it up? I mean, are these bigger
commercial and government projects getting underway? So, I mean they've
always remained cautious on the outlook, but I think the

(01:17:56):
market is expecting a decent earning step up coming through
next year. So I mean, perhaps some better times ahead
for Fletcher Building.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
Jeremy, it's good to talk to you, mate, Jeremy Hutton,
Milford Asset Management, Heather, there is no way Opportunity is
on eight percent while labor is on thirty percent. Typical
one news. Their funding should be pulled. Now, this is
an interesting thing. Okay, you know how I gave you
the numbers just before. Opportunity did not feature in that
for some weird reason, and I don't know what the

(01:18:24):
reason is. For some weird reason, One News did not
tot up opportunity. So the center right and this is
this is these let me train you three the numbers. Okay,
center right is National New Zealand First and Act and
they are sitting on fifty seven seats. The center left
is Labor Green's Maori Party and they went on fifty

(01:18:44):
nine seats according to this poll, and they don't tot
up opportunity. Now, the reason I suspect they're not totting
up opportunity on either of these sides is because, well,
opportunity is a seen to painting themselves as a scene
to party right. So we don't know which side they're
going to go with. But that is a significant portion
of votes they're bringing in. I mean that's eight percent.
That's eleven seats, isn't it. So eleven seats. Who do

(01:19:08):
you think opportunity is going to go with? Ah, who
are they going to go with? They're going to go
with the center right. No, they're not going to go
with the center right. So now you check in another
eleven seats to the center left there. That's seventy how
by the way, like how because this overhang it's like
a seven seed overhang. It's the five seats with a
mat that maths doesn't quite work up. But I mean, anyway,

(01:19:28):
I don't really want to talk about it. I don't
really want to talk about the election result anymore, do you.
I'm starting to feel a little bit worried about what's
going on here. Listen on another subject altogether. I don't
think anyone saw this coming. Jason Parris is going to
les Mills. Jason Paris being the guy who was leading
One New Zealand up to just the other day. He's
going to become the chief executive of les Mills on

(01:19:49):
October six. He'll replace Philip Mills, who's going to move
into a founder director role. I think it's a quite
good fit for Jason Paris. Jason Parris is that kind
of he's got that kind of energetic dad vibe about him.
Do you know like he does he looks like he
hits the gym on the regular so and he loves
the old NRL like he's got the sporty vibe, like
high energy sporty vibes. So I reckon. Yeah, I think

(01:20:10):
just from a branding perspective that actually works quite well.
Six twenty two.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
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Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
I got to the bottom of it. Okay, this is
this is the annoying thing that one News always does
where they count up that the Maori Party are gonna
win six electorate seats because they won six electorate seats
last time, which is not really a fair represented like
this is their silly buggers, right, It's actually not real.
So anyway, let's let's adjust it and say the Maori
Party is not gonna win all six electorate seats that
they've got because they're not. Maybe they're gonna win two.

(01:20:56):
Then it adjusts the numbers slightly. So now you've got
the center right still on for seven, but now you've
got the center left on fifty five, which adds up
together to one hundred and twelve. Then you add in
nine seats for the Opportunity party. Now you've got one
hundred and twenty one, so it's an overhang of only one.
That makes a lot more sense sense. So the center
right wins on fifty seven, center left us on fifty five.
But now you've got opportunity with nine seats can go

(01:21:18):
either way, making them the real king maker. And either
way they give it a reasonable margin, don't they for
whoever gets them, so makes a little bit more sense. Hey,
this is very cool, by the way. I don't know
if you've seen this in Viava today, but Josh and
Helen Emmetta opening up their third restaurant in Auckland and
they're going to be doing it in the Faraday's department store.
They're calling it Lotties. The idea is going to be

(01:21:38):
on the ground floor, and the idea here is basically
that they turn this department store on Queen Street into
like one of those destination department stores like it is
in the UK. Because Helen comes from the UK, and
she mentions the fact that if you go to Selfridges,
you don't just go there for like an hour, buy
some stuff and then head out. You go to Selfridges,
you browse for a long time. You stop, you have
some lunch, reassess the situation, and hit hit the department

(01:22:00):
store for a little bit more potentially. And this is
kind of what they're doing. And can I just say
more than the fact that I love, more than just
loving the fact that they are, that they're expanding their
business and all power to them, I love the fact
that these guys, this is the people behind Faradays, and
the people and the emmets, that they're putting this much

(01:22:21):
of their resource and their capital and their time and
their talent into Queen Street. Because Queen Street needs this
much love. And I think of people like this, like
big names like this are giving it this much love. Surely,
to God, it's got a chance, don't you think. Six
twenty six.

Speaker 3 (01:22:35):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
So Rod Stewart it turns out as having some pretty
major health issues at the moment. He's eighty one. He's
just undergone heart surgery. He went in for a coronary
stemp procedure, basically just trying to open up his arteries,
which is a big deal for his fans because he's
just had to cancel the entire what was remaining of
his US tour and if you've been following what's going
on with Rod Stewart. This is just the latest and

(01:23:03):
the string of health problems. Because remember in May he
canceled the Vegas shows he got himself a little sinus
in fiction, and then in June he had to cancel
in San Diego because he's got the laryngitison. Wow, did
that kick off all kinds out? Because then he turned
up at the football and because of his heart issues,
he's already had to cancel two gigs in Cincinnati and Cleveland.
So you know, I mean, obviously he's on the old side.

(01:23:24):
How much time is he going to take off before
he goes back on stage? Four weeks? Look, it's just
a stint, so maybe four weeks is enough. But if
you get the chance, don't muck around. If you want
to see Rod, go and see Rod, because he is
eighty one and he now does have a stint, and
so you know, you know, you don't need me to
fill in the dot dots, but don't muck around. Zian Armstrong,
Jamie Kay's new chief executive, is going to be with

(01:23:45):
us next on though excited about this standby.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results it's either duper
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Speaker 17 (01:24:05):
I can tell Bay he's just Stephen rather.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
Hither. I'm going crazy. The TV news channels are both
almost dedicating their whole broadcasts to National bashing lots of
experts in opposition interviews as unbelievable. Now, oh you say that,
and jest, thank the Lord, because I was going to
say to you probably today, of all days, National does
deserve a good bashing, because this is just the most
unbelievable cluster that anybody's ever seen in politics. Quite frankly,
I mean I googled today. I was just trying to

(01:24:35):
figure this out. How many how many other at the
time sitting like incumbent at the time prime ministers had
survived two coup attempts or spills as they called them
in Australia, And I couldn't find any evidence of anybody
else like that. Even with Keir Starmer, there were never
real attempts like it was never formal votes that were happening.

(01:24:55):
I can't find any evidence of anybody else being put
in this position. Chris Luxeon's been put in by their
own party. Anyway, who knows? Did you know that there's
a solar eclipse coming for the UK? There is a
solar eclipse. I think it's tomorrow morning. So I'm going
to talk you through because there's all kinds of drama
going down there at the minute. Standby for that. Shortly
twenty four away from seven now iconic Keiwi kids clothing

(01:25:17):
brand Jamie Kay, as I told you was taking on
the world. They launched their flagship store in christ Church
last year. Now rapidly expanding into Asia. They got four
stores in Japan, two Asian locations in the pipeline. America
is proving to be their strongest play. The market is
now making up thirty percent of their total sales. Their
chief executive is the former added AS North America president
Zeon Armstrong. Who's with us the on?

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
Hello? Hey, how are you?

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
I'm very well, Matte?

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
How are you living the dream?

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
How did you end up at Jamie Kay?

Speaker 21 (01:25:46):
Was actually coincidence. When I returned to New Zealand, I
took some time off and our children were going to
the same school, so we literally bumped into each other
at a kid's school car park, and that led to
a converseation and fast forward a year later, we're working.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
Together and do you dress your kids head to tail?
Now in Jamie Kat, I was.

Speaker 21 (01:26:09):
Actually doing a bit of research here that you haven't
purchased from us since January twenty five, so we need
to talk.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
Oh no, you can look me out. But have you
seen that I have been on your website in the
last week.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
You can't track me that I can track your orders.
But my kids a little bit older now, so.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
Get into the correct But see on you must have
like with your CV, you must have your pick of
going anywhere. So what is it about Jamie Kay that
convinced you to join up?

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:26:37):
Thank you.

Speaker 21 (01:26:37):
It's a kind comment for me. When I came home,
I wanted to really find a new Zealand company that
I could take my skills that I had and transfer
that and then just so lucky to have met Jamie
and her incredible team and what they had created. I
just turned thirteen, So when we first met and she

(01:26:59):
said would you like to be the CEO? I was like,
I'm not sure if any founder can actually let go.
But she's been excellent and we've found a great Yin Yang.
So she's the creative director, and my focus has been
taking us around the world.

Speaker 15 (01:27:14):
Now what is it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
About you guys that is appealing to the world, Like
this is a reasonably fast expansion. It's been very successful.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
So why quality?

Speaker 21 (01:27:23):
One of our four values is quality and that's stood
the test of time when parents are reselling their product
that they've had for year after year, and we want
to keep those resale pages going because it means the
community can give back to each other, means the Productice
is standing the test time, both in terms of quality
but also design aesthetics.

Speaker 9 (01:27:44):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
How are you going to break into the US? Because
I mean, I suppose you've got thirty percent of your
sales are already to the US, but you need to
get in there in a big way. How do you
do it?

Speaker 5 (01:27:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:27:53):
Correct?

Speaker 21 (01:27:53):
So, so it's always been our number one market until
last year with obviously the tariffs et cetera through through
a massive curve ball to us. So we made the
Bowld call to set up a distribution center in Kentucky,
which eliminated all the confusion to the consumers so they
could just buy from ourselves and then have that ship
locally so it came a big investment, but we managed

(01:28:14):
to get that up and running within three months. And
so now we've actually had a team in the US
for the last few weeks and we've attended five trade
shows and getting some fantastic results.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
I was thinking about in fact, funnily enough, I put
my boy in one of your jumpers this morning, so
it got me thinking about the color scheme, and I wonder,
are you guys, like, is it possible that you're at
the tail end of a trend that's about to change?
This is the only concern I have for you is
that I see a lot of the kids running around
at kindy at the moment are starting to wear like

(01:28:46):
neon colors like we wore back in the late eighties
early nineties, and that kind of scandy beij vibe that
you guys have got going. Is it maybe the fashion
changing and you're going to miss a trick here.

Speaker 3 (01:28:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:28:58):
So we had the courage about a year ago to
stop trying to design so far out by having samples,
et cetera. So we decided we're going to be the
brand that delivers at once. No other brand in the
world does this in this space. What that means is
every month we drop a new collection, which allows us
to continue to push the needle in terms of our

(01:29:18):
product design, materials, colors, and trends. So if you look
at our products that we've launched this month versus this
time twelve months ago, we're a completely different brand.

Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
So the idea of getting into the neons and all
that kind of stuff is not impossible for you.

Speaker 21 (01:29:33):
No, that's not our space. We'll stand our lane. Yeah,
and we'll continue to make sure that we innovate in
our space, but that's not still where that will go.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
Your lane is heritage, isn't it correct? Like you could imagine,
you could imagine some of the royals being in your clothes.
You can do some samples to the royals, mate.

Speaker 21 (01:29:52):
Yeah, well, if this keeps going, well, we'll send you
up some samples and make sure you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
Worry about me. I'm not an influencer you. Janey had
a baby the other day, did she send them some clothes?

Speaker 21 (01:30:02):
Her kids are growing up as well. But the other
pieces we have your warehouse are four brands. So we
acquired Marino Kids, which is another amazing New Zealand story
that was about to be sold to an offshore company.
We caught window it and managed to keep it here
in New Zealand. So for the last two years we've
been behind the scenes redesigning that product as well and

(01:30:23):
just recently relaunched that. So give us another avenue to
your point in terms of design direction, it just gives
you another brand, it to allow you to appeal to
a broader set of audience.

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
Got on you, okay, So if you could, what would
your perfect business look like? What's your goal in ten years?

Speaker 21 (01:30:42):
You know something I actually wrote down that Jamie said
a few months ago, and it's aspirations to make it
the best it can be. And if we can continue
to do that across all four brands, and then have
aspirations to have the best relationships with our distributed partners
around the world, then I don't think you know, the
sky's the limits, just the view. We've opened up in
sixteen markets in the last three years with some fantastic

(01:31:04):
partners and really focus on Asia now the US, so
it still leaves all of Europe, Latin America, etc. So
it's so much more opportunity. But we want to make
the big bigger before we start trying to pre ourselves
too far and too thin.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
Oh good on you man, I'm so excited. Zeon, thank
you so much. Look after yourself and go well with
the business. Zon Armstrong Jamie k CEO January last year.
Do you know what happened in January last year? Do
you know why? I bought clothes from Jamie kne January
last year? Baby girl was born then, so I stocked up.
That's what was going on. But why I haven't bought
anything since then? And you will know this if you've

(01:31:37):
got two kids, is the hand me downs? Like I
am in undated with hand me downs. The poor girl though,
she's running around in brother's clothes, which is not always cool,
but actually she's wearing a very cool Jamie Kay the
other day Jamie k tiger panther. I don't really know
what kind of animal that is on the track suit.
Thought you looked cool and that Actually that worked for
your brother and it works for you. But the trouble

(01:31:59):
is when you have a second kid, you've just got
like all the stuff already and you just fill in
the blanks a little bit with some stuff. So anyway,
obviously have to do my bit and support the local
business and put some money into Jamie Kay shortly now
solar eclipse telling you about this. So I think it's
gonna happen tomorrow morning over in the UK and in
the northern Hemisphere. Problem is, it's gonna be like a

(01:32:19):
near total eclipse over mainland Europe in the first one
in two decades. They are so fizzing for it that
they've basically bought all the glasses. You know how you
can get the glasses that you can look. Trump doesn't
need them, He looks directly at the sun because he's
a god. But everybody else needs them, and they've just
sold out in the UK and it's impossible to get
hands on them. Did you know that you can use
a colander like no, No, it's legit, go and google it.

(01:32:42):
It's true. I'm not going to turn you blind if
you do what I'm saying, because we got a big
one coming in a couple of years from now. Deep South,
they're gonna have a big one. You can get the
calender out all you want, because you just got to
peek through one of those tiny little holes and it'll
make sure that you don't go blind, but you get
to see the whole thing. No, No, I know you
don't believe me. I know you don't believe me because
I took bad bit with Barry yesterday and now you're
holding it against me. Go and google it, Gavin.

Speaker 1 (01:33:05):
Heather Dupery Ala why and it's why.

Speaker 22 (01:33:09):
You pointed with your finger. That usually means I have
to play something.

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
Okay, Well, let's get to know that he's that responsive.
Gavin Gray's with us in a minute. A sixteen away
from seven.

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Speaker 2 (01:33:39):
Remember I was telling you yesterday that Brad puts back
on the booze though he's just having the occasional drink.
Angelina Jolie says she's not surprised. She says she tried
to warn people. She knew this was always a possibility,
So it's cool when your ex pop pipes up and
just says something like that. A thirteen away from seven,
Gavin Gray UK correspondents with us. Hello, Gavin, I'm right,

(01:34:00):
So this is really ramping up. The coppers are getting
together and sending a letter to Andy, are they.

Speaker 8 (01:34:05):
Yes, Andy Burnham, the honeymoon period well and truly over
for him, and this is an issue he can't seem
to get away from. So Under the previous government back
too and a bit years ago, the prisons were we
were told filling up now a secure starmer. Andy Burnham's
predecessor started an early release program, releasing prisoners just one

(01:34:25):
third of their way through their sentence except the most,
very most serious of crimes. Well, all this is coming
back to haunt Andy Burnham now because the release early
release of two men who were involved in the killing
of a twenty eight year old newly married police officer
are due to be released in January. Andy Burnham now
saying he is confident that the law can be changed

(01:34:48):
so that they will be kept inside, and now fifty
of the UK's most senior police officers urging him in
an open letter to pursue every legal option to prevent
their early release. They're saying that the morale and that
the damage to people in the armed in the police
and other services of the emergency services are going to

(01:35:10):
be just so despondent if these two serve only a
handful of years for their part in the killing of
this police officer in twenty twenty, which at the time
was truly shocking. And it really didn't help when the
pair as they were being taken to prison, was seen
smiling and waving as it were to the waiting photographers outside.
So almost a million now also signing a petition, Heather

(01:35:34):
saying to the Prime Minister, you cannot release this pair early.

Speaker 3 (01:35:37):
And the mother of the.

Speaker 8 (01:35:39):
Victim very eloquent in saying, this has been so here
here one moment, there the next thinking they're going to
be kept in They're not thinking that, she says, it's
just she's living day to day with it all.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
Kevin, Look, I mean, I understand why this particular cases
and sensing people, but it is a symptom of larger problem,
which is that you're running out of prison space. So
are there any moves afoot to actually make more space?

Speaker 8 (01:36:00):
Yes, So there are different options available to him, Heather.
More than ten thousand, one hundred people in prison are
foreign nationals, so he could that's one in eight, So
he could attempt to send some of those back to
their foreign countries of birth and say, look, you've got

(01:36:20):
to keep them in prisoned, or you can release them earlier,
but you are being deported and you are never being
allowed back in. That would be one issue. Another one
is that there are fewer women prisoners, so it would
be possible potentially to close a women's prison down and
make it a men's prison, but that would take time
to convert. And this pair of due to be released
in January, and there are a couple of other options,

(01:36:42):
which is basically changing the severity of the crimes committed
by those who are released early. And let's not forget
under the current regime anyway, prisoners can be released our
good behavior after just half this sentence. This is just
after a third for one of them. Most hideous killings
are imaginable when this young police officer was dragged to

(01:37:05):
his death behind the getaway car. So you know there
are options available. And this same mantra of oh, we
can't do anything. We can't do anything because that would require.

Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
A change in the law.

Speaker 8 (01:37:14):
I don't know about you, head, I thought our politicians
were there to change the law.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
It's almost like they've got that power Hey, how long
have we got onto this by election?

Speaker 8 (01:37:23):
The by election is tomorrow. So this is Clacton East,
which is a Clacton Essex, which is to the east
of London. And it's because Nigel Farage said I am
resigning as the Member of Parliament and then immediately restanding
in the by election. Now he's done this because he's
been investigated over an eleven million New Zealand dollar gift

(01:37:44):
which he was given before becoming an MP. But the
Standards Committee looking as to whether he should have actually
notified them about it. Now he says, okay, right, let's
put this to the public. This is a public vote
on my honesty. He's confident of course, of winning his seat,
particularly as all the major parties are not standing. They
have embargoed or boycotted this whole process. But that has

(01:38:08):
led to some thirty four candidates on one of the
lengthiest ballot papers ever seen, including Count Binface, an actor
turned politician Lawrence Fox, three candidates from the official Monster
Raving Lunar Party, including Nick the Incredible Flying Brick, Alan Howling,
Lord Hope and Barren vonn the Thunderclap.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
Wow, it sounds like it's a really serious thing. I'm
so excited about how seriously your politics is right now, Kevin,
Thanks very much. Kevin Gray, UK correspondent on there.

Speaker 7 (01:38:38):
For that election.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
By the way, I want to see what happens with
that by election. A bit of a drama, you know
how Trump. We're talking to Dan Mitchinson about this earlier
in the show. You know how Trump was spirited off
that plane to avoid the Iranian plot and he was
snuck through the catering truck drama as they lift everyone
else on the plane. More than one hundred and eight
officials and reporters were kept on board flying towards Britain
without being told there was a threat to their lives.

(01:39:01):
Reporters were instructed to keep the shades over their windows
closed during the flight. They were basically the decoy. How
much does that suck? How much is that like? Next
time Trump's like, come on, you can get on Air
Force one, You'd be like, nah, I'll make my own way.

Speaker 3 (01:39:14):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
De away from seven Heather. Just because you saw something
on Google doesn't make it right. The risk of being
blinded by the sun can only be prevented by using
I gather a number four welding mask or the equivalent Alan,
thank you very much. But as somebody else pointed out,
do you remember back in nineteen fifty nine or any
year thereafter where you had something cool like this going
on at school that'd give you the bit of paper

(01:39:35):
and then they make you make a prick like with
a pin, and then you'd look through it. That's basically
the same idea as with the colander. You just look
at it anyway. I mean, like, come on, it's a
one something you only love once. Just look at the
sun a little bit from time to time, you know,
when this is.

Speaker 3 (01:39:49):
Advice.

Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
Hey, did you notice with ze On Armstrong from Jamie
k before, when I said to him he should send
his clothes to Princess Euganey, he didn't, he said. He responded,
I had no idea what I talking about. And he
said to me On her children have grown up. Made
her child was born nine days ago. None of her
kids have grown up. I think what Zeon did is
classic what all successful people do. They just project the

(01:40:11):
most the most ambitious plan. So I said Princess Eugeney,
who is the daughter of the sex pest Andrew. But
he when I said that, he just went straight to
Princess Kate, because he was like, no, if I'm sending
kids to a royal, I'm sending clothes to a Royals kids.
I'm going I'm going straight for the ones in line
for the throne. And that's why he said the kids
were grown up. So yeah, that's the difference between me

(01:40:32):
and him. As I was just going for Eugenie, he
was going all the way to the top ants. And
by the way, if any of those kids in the
Royal family start wearing Jamie Kay, I want to cut
with the money because it was my idea and you
all witnessed it and we've all heard it.

Speaker 22 (01:40:46):
I'll record that bit of audio to send to him.
Confidence by Ocean Ellie to play us out tonight. The
lineup is out for Rock the Bowl. This is the
one day festival that's happening in one of the country's
great natural amphitheaters, the Bowl of Brooklyn's, is on the
tween nights of December. Ocean and Ellie are coming over
for Australia for it. Fat Freddy's Dropp are also headlining.
Carl Cox from the UK and No Cigar and Coast

(01:41:08):
Arcade are playing as well.

Speaker 2 (01:41:09):
Are these all people that you know and I don't know.

Speaker 22 (01:41:11):
Oh, Carl Cox is a legend of dance music. I
mentioned a few people in the audience. Fat Freddy's Drop
obviously I played it the other night. And Ocean Ellie
you'll remember you remember that one though. The bloke from
the band shoplifted the bottle cap and got in a
bit of trouble for it a few years ago when
he was I think it was in Queenstown. Oh yeah, yeah,
those guys, Yeah yeah, then.

Speaker 2 (01:41:30):
Weird when you're little famous for your fifth the U
are for your actual day John.

Speaker 22 (01:41:33):
I think he did apologize and presumably return the bottle cap.

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
In the In for the Hour, Golra's Garriman knows what
that feels like. See you tomorrow.

Speaker 15 (01:41:39):
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Speaker 1 (01:42:05):
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