Full Show Podcast: 12 March 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
Saying and give the analysis.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Here The duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and
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Speaker 3 (00:15):
Be afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, Shane
Jones on whether we should be worried about fuel and rationing,
the Primary teachers Union break their silence on the government
move to pay the non union teachers more, and the
Social Development Minister on why we have record numbers of kiwis.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
On the doll Heather duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Now, look, I don't think there's any reason to panic,
but if you read the news closely, and if you
read more widely than just the local New Zealand news,
you're probably starting to get a little nervous. I would
say about what might happen to fuel here and the
possibility that we may have to start rationing. The Strait
of Homus is still effectively shut. The Iranians have attacked
thirteen tankers. Now the boss of the Saudi backed oil

(00:55):
company has warned this could be catastrophic for the world's
economy if that's straight. Isn't open relatively soon. South Korea
has floated the possibility of banning exports of fuel. That's
a problem for us. It's where we get roughly half
of our fuel. Parts of Western Australia, rural western Australia
have now run out of diesel because the tawneys are
buying so much they're panicking. We have around about fifty

(01:18):
days worth of fuel in this country. Half of that, though,
is on the water and ships can and have been diverted,
so you can only lock in about half of what
we've got. The Minister is now taking advice on how
to manage our demand as and get us to use less,
and one of the ideas he's considering and taking advice
on his carless days. There are now normally very level

(01:38):
headed people who are warning us to at least start
mentally preparing for the possibility that we may have to
ration what fuel we use here.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Ration rationing sounds bad. It sounds like something from World
War Two. It might not be that bad. It may
not be Carlos Days all over again. That does feel
like a significant escalation of the situation. This thing might
blow over tomorrow. In fact, Donald Trump is likely to
call the attacks off the minute that it starts to
have really significantly negative impacts on the oil supply and

(02:06):
world economies are wild economics because he is so fixated
on global markets and making money. The minute that he
cannot talk markets back into a good place is the
minute that I think he starts to call it off.
But the thing is it's already having an impact, isn't it.
It will already be wiping money off our GDP. The
longer it goes on, the more it takes out of GDP.

(02:28):
Now I'm thinking this is not going to end up
in the worst case scenario that the Minister is preparing for.
I don't know whether that's my wishful or my rational brain,
but as they say, it's best to hope for the best,
prepare for the worst.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Ever do for see Allen.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Nineteen nineteen is a text number standard text fee supply
and Shane Jones is with us on that. After five
o'clock now there's another key figure in New Zealand cricket
who is quissing. Players Association boss Heath Mills is stepping down.
He's been in the job for twenty five years, so
it's a significant departure. This follows the exit of New
Zealand Cricket Chief Executive Scott Wennick in December. Heath Mills

(03:05):
us with us now Hi Heath afternon Heather, why are
you quitting?

Speaker 4 (03:11):
The time's right. It's been a long stint coming up
twenty six years and I've been thinking about it for
a little while, and primarily I'm the chairman of the
World Crickets Association and that role is growing and I
need to put more focus into that. So it wasn't
possible to continue to do both roles. So it's time

(03:32):
for me to move on here and let someone else
come in and take the association through its next phase.

Speaker 5 (03:39):
I'm pretty excited about the change.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
You know that everybody is seeing ghosts here because you're
just so close to stitching together the deal for n
Z twenty, which you are leading, and then you leave.

Speaker 5 (03:51):
Well, we know that ghosts aren't real.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
But yeah, look, I'm you know, the players are very
passionate about n Z twenty. I think they're right to be,
and now we're looking forward to New Zealand Cricket making
a decision shortly about what it wants to do. It's
not those two things aren't connected, you know. It would
be simply wrong to connect the two things. I'll continue

(04:14):
to be passionate about twenty for the players and number
half of the players for the next three or four
months and probably long into the future, but the time's
right for me now to step aside as.

Speaker 5 (04:25):
CEO of the New Zealand Player Association.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
It's it's been hard decision to make, as it's been
part of my life for so long and I've loved
representing players and I've been blessed that they've wanted me
to look after them. So it's been tough, but it's
the right thing to do and I need to, as
I said earlier, focused more on the world role in
the months and years ahead.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Now you're off to work with Strata Collective. Has this
got anything to do with NZ twenty No.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
No, that's a group of people who have set up
a new advisory business and I'm really keen to join
them in the months ahead. It won't be till the
second for the year. In a look to do more
things actually outside of sport. Potentially, if I have skills
that people may want the business world sector, I'd be

(05:10):
keen to do something a bit different. We might end
up doing a bit of stuff in sport as well,
which would be good. But yeah, that will be the
second half of my time.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
You might end up doing something in NZ twenty.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
I don't think so. No, I don't think I have
the school sets for end Z twenty week.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
I'm going to that one. Can I tell you why
I'm asking you this question, Heath, Because there is a
rumor going around which has already reached me, which is
how fast it's traveling, and it's based on the following right.
Strata Collective was incorporated yesterday. The registered office is Tavern
Dallen Partners Limited. One of the director that's a law firm.
One of the directors is a lawyer and has been
working with you guys at NZ twenty. They are the

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law firm registered for the company n Z twenty General Partner.
So people have stitched it together and they've gone the
new job has got to do with NZ twenty and
NZ twenty is therefore happening.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
Yeah, well that's a good story, but that's not true.

Speaker 5 (06:00):
And I hope IN twenty is happening.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
But I won't have anything to do with it moving forward.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
There there won't be a role for me there.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
They'll be up to whoever's running it, and Don McKinnon's
cheering that, and there's a project manager Andrew robertson there
now and I imagine Little Bullet's own team if forgets
the go ahead, it might not get the hot go.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
Ahead, Heather, But the no brainer, isn't it. I mean,
at the moment we're running the Super Smash that's a dud.
So why wouldn't we What is the hold up? Why
are they not saying yes to NZ twenty Oh?

Speaker 4 (06:28):
Look, look, we need to respect New Zealand Cricket and
the process they're following. They're working through a process. They've
got the Lloyd involved, as we're all well aware, they're
looking at their options and they've got a number of
stakeholders who need to be consulted and need to be
across what's happening. So we need to respect that process.
We our position's pretty clear. The players have been pushing

(06:49):
us in for this a privatized league in New Zealand
for some time. We know it works, works all around
the world in smaller markets than here in New Zealand.
It's for the biggest growth part of our sport actually
is in the private franchise leagues. So we we strongly
believe in having a competition that has a national footprint
as well, that that inspires fans and cricket communities across
the country and in fact we think it would be

(07:10):
great for New Zealand inc.

Speaker 5 (07:11):
Not just cricket and New Zealand. So we're passionate about it.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
We hope that that's the decision that New Zealand Cricket
gets to in time, and it'll be great. If it's
not been, so be it. We'll deal with that at
the time. As for me, I hope they get very
very capable people involved with n Z twenty. There'll be
promoters and marketers, people who will get fans along and
get and engage in the sport new fans.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
Hopefully it won't be me either.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
Is it true that Brendan McCallum may come back and
spearhead along with Ben Stokes the Queenstown franchise.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
I have no idea Brendan McCullum is he's aware of
n Z twenty. In the concept is there are a
lot of past players. We have a lot of past
players who are very successful and global cricket connected to
a lot of team owners. I don't know who will
end up with the teams. I don't know if there'll
be one in Queenstown. Well, while they do know all

(08:06):
I own visage that NZ twenty will run the tender process.
I do know that there is significant interest from overseas
people and wanting to own cricket teams in New Zealand.
Significant it's blow me away actually yeah, and so I
managed managed. I imagine there'll be a robust tender process.
It will be very transparent and wherever the teams are

(08:27):
based and whoeverdvis them, I don't know, but there's interest
and it will be good for our country, not just
not just sport and cricket.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
Brilliant, Heath Lissen, go well and thank you so much
for your time. Look after yourself. That's Heath Mills, New
Zealand Cricket Plays Association Chief Executives ANUNCDI standing down, what
do you think? Do you know what I'd be into
that tendering process. How would you feel about it if
you're if you're in one of the because the city's
being considered our Auckland to Unger Queenstown and various others,

(08:57):
would you be okay with it? Because if it goes
to tender, what it means is open there, and then
the cities have to bid for it and pay essentially
to have one of the team's base there. Would you
be into that because I reckon I would I reckon
I would be okay with my city council using some
of my rate payer money to buy one of those squads,
because I think that that thing's going to go off.
Sixteen past four.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
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Speaker 3 (09:25):
By the way, just what I was saying about Western
Australia and then running out of diesel in the rural areas.
Reason being, it's the panic buying from the townies. The
problem is the farmers actually, like, come on, everybody knows this.
A farmer needs diesel, right, So the farmers need diesel.
They will have some diesel supplies on their farms. In
some cases they've got maybe ten days worth. Trouble is,
it's a wait of up to three weeks to get

(09:47):
new fuel supplies. So the state government is now trying
to fix this and figure out how to get around it.
Nineteen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
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Speaker 6 (10:01):
I invented a drink once called diesel, a brandy balloon
with a slice of lemon and a shot of port
a shot of brandy in a half shot of Stone's
ginger wine. I called it diesel.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Was it nice?

Speaker 6 (10:11):
Was really warming in the middle of a horrible christ
Church winter? So I thought it was. But it was
a bit punch in the face of two many on
says Diesel. I go back to the CVOs, which is
where I invented it. Anyway, sorry about that.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
Now have you heard this business about heath Mills doing so?
I think we can put that to bed, right. He
was categorical. It was categoric. It's not in this retirement.
Has got nothing to do with MZ twittery.

Speaker 6 (10:36):
It's an interesting connection, though, isn't it. With he Leaves.
It's the Deloit reports out, but it's not floating around.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
The Deloitte report is with the board right okay, and
the Border considering it. But from what I hear, there
are key members of the board who really hate this
idea and are holding it all up.

Speaker 6 (10:54):
That's what it looks like. If you read Shane Curry's
story today and he's seen information or letters and the
like that maybe he shouldn't have seen it got leaked
out to him, it looks like there is a schism,
if you will, the board of New Zealand Cricket. Now,
we don't know what Heath is doing. He's gonna happen.
He's a top bloke. I've been dealing with him for

(11:15):
twenty five years and what he's done or happened in
quite a hurry that you mentioned it that Strata has
just been incorporated in the same week as this news
around when Deloitte's come out and it's involved with a
couple of lawyers with his company Tstock, Tavistock, something like that,

(11:38):
Dale and Taverndale and they're involved in some kind of
sport set up. Is it too much of a jump?
And look, we're inquisitive minds. That's basic to suggest that
is there something with these links that make you go, well.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
This could it could be, but it could simply be
Heath set up one business using his lawyers, then he
set up another business using his lawyers. You're not going
to change, you lawyer, you're going to use your same lawyers, right,
So it could be as simple as that.

Speaker 6 (12:04):
Well it could be again, but you know what, inquisitive
minds are light. You see something and go, well, there's
some interesting dots there. Do they actually join up or not?
But well, that's the nature.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
I'm going to take. Do you know what if we
don't believe his story and I do believe the story,
but if we don't believe it, then I'm going to
take heart from the fact that he's setting up a
business because Enzy twenty is going to happen, and that's
what we want, isn't it.

Speaker 6 (12:24):
Well if you look at the dots, you go, well,
maybe that is the case. It's go okay, this is
going to happen. I know it's going to happen. I've
been engaged and involved in it. So I'm going to
set up a company that's going to help initiate this
and maybe pick up a franchise. Look, we don't know.
We're throwing things in the air, we're juggling. What do
they say, throw toilet paper and we'll all see what sticks.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
I don't know that it's toilet paper.

Speaker 6 (12:46):
I know, but I'm just saying because you know what
I'm talking about when I say toilet paper is the
same thing pretty much, it's just a different color.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
Just really quickly, give to me about the sort of
rounds pulled out?

Speaker 6 (12:55):
Have they They don't want to be going to the
World Cup in America. Of understanding is that because.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
They're worried that their men are going to run away
and seek asylum as well.

Speaker 6 (13:04):
Possibly maybe they're like, well, America are carpet bombing them,
and they're not really happy.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Carpet bombing them. You can't say things right.

Speaker 6 (13:11):
Yeah, I didn't say, Okay, what are they doing?

Speaker 3 (13:13):
They're just bombing.

Speaker 6 (13:14):
They're just bombing them. It's different carpet bombing, bombing. They're throwing,
they're lobbing ordinance at them, and it's not And then,
like I said, we're not going to go over there
and play your game. Maybe they even fear for the livelihoods.
But what really matters is us, who are we going
to be playing Iran or are we.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Just automatically win?

Speaker 7 (13:32):
No?

Speaker 6 (13:32):
No, no, no no, because Iraq is going to come
and replacement. I'm saying that right, and I got told
off yesterday. It's Iraq and Iran.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Thank you, Darcy Aaron Clark's on the show to night
as well, talking worries for twenty three.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
The headlines and the Hard questions. It's the Mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 8 (13:52):
To feel that she was real and the prices are
real as well. In New Zealand's in the middle of
it all. They were already losing money. They've now suspended
their guidance, says oh this week and put their fears
up as well. Nicol Rebye Shank as the CEO. And
what's your bigger problem right here right now? Is it
price or is it supply?

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Right now?

Speaker 8 (14:05):
It's price, so you've got supply supplies not the problem.

Speaker 5 (14:08):
You're not running out.

Speaker 8 (14:09):
I'm assuming everybody airline wise all over the world's putting
the price up at the moment.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yeah, it's a well trodden path.

Speaker 8 (14:14):
How much will the slink demand or will people simply
suck it up?

Speaker 7 (14:18):
I think New Zealand was.

Speaker 9 (14:19):
A great tourism product before this conflict, and I think
our stocks have just gone up. It's a good place
to come and have a safe, secure holiday.

Speaker 8 (14:27):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
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Speaker 1 (14:32):
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Speaker 3 (14:41):
Hither the local automotive shop is selling empty eighty liter
oil drums at thirty bucks each for anyone needing to
stock up on their diesel. Thank you for the heads up. Then,
Hither it's mind blowing how much fuel we go through
daily locally and both and also globally. Spool Brick must
not sleep at night at all.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Loll.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Feel so sorry I for Swarbrick in this instance. The
Iranian footballers, by the way, the women's footballers had to
be evacuated from their safe house yesterday because one of
them freaked out and changed her mind and got in
touch with the Iranian embassy and let them know where
they were. So what had happened was she was speaking
to other players who'd already gone back, and I'm assuming
the other players who'd gone back were saying, oh, it's
lovely now they've treated us like heroes. Everything's fine. And

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so she changed her mind about claiming asylum in Australia,
and so she called Iran's embassy. But the minute you
call an embassy, obviously they know where you are, so
they've had to move them all. The Iranians have actually
named the woman, which I'm guessing is probably I'm assuming
it's more of a hero's thing than the opposite, given
that she's defecting back to them anyway. I haven't seen

(15:42):
the ladist. Don't know whether she's staying in Australia, but
I'm guessing not. Also, Murray Olds will be with us
out of Australia shortly. Also Maria men Or Kappa Kingi
has finally broken her silence after the High Court reinstated
her position in the Maori Party. It doesn't sound like
she's going to It doesn't sound like she knows what
she's going to do. She says, not sure whether her
electorate can trust the party, so she is going to

(16:04):
sit with this decision for a while. Barry Soopa was
listening to the press conference and will be with us shortly.
News talks ab.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
It's Heather Duplicylan Drive with one New Zealand coverage like
no one else.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
News Talks. They'd be.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Say was really interesting. Is Craig's investment partners weighing into
this business? About any new Zealand cutting flights. They reckon
they can't understand why flights are being cut when flights
are eighty five percent full, Like why would you cut
a flight if it's mostly full. They put it down
to a money saving exercise, and they explain it a
little bit like this. Possibly what's going on is by

(16:59):
having fewer flight lights out there in New Zealand, then
has fewer seats available. And what happens when you have
fewer seats available, the price of the available seats goes up.
So what they're basically doing is they fly fewer planes,
but they can make a lot more money off each
of the planes that they're flying. Anyway, we'll have a
chat to Kath O'Brien who is with the Board of
Airline Representatives, will be with us after five o'clock. Murray

(17:20):
Olds are standing by right now and Barrisop is only
ten minutes away. It's twenty three away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
It's the world wires on news dogs they'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Iran has claimed responsibility for an attack on two oil
tankers in Iraqi waters. Three ships have also been attacked
near the Strait of Hormuz. A retired and Royal Navy
commander says, I run has a lot of ways to
hit shipping in the Strait, including attacking the vessels.

Speaker 10 (17:41):
These are jet skis, sometimes packed with explosives, suicide attack.
There are in people's garages. This is not moored in
a harbor like you would expect. They're all up and down.
The coach so dispersed deliberately to be half to strike.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
American Australian American software company at Lassion has cut ten
percent of its work. Fawson replaced them with AI. The
CEO recorded a video message and then sent it to
the affected staff.

Speaker 11 (18:05):
I am deeply sorry for the disruption this creates in
your life. Your impact and contributions matter here massively.

Speaker 5 (18:13):
I want to say thank you for all of those contributions.

Speaker 11 (18:16):
Your work will live on in our products, in the
experience of our customers, and in a culture that you
have helped us fild and create.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
It sounds like he replaced himself with AI. And finally,
man has rushed to hospital after he woke up and
found his skin had turned blue, so the hospital put
him on oxygen to start with, but it turned out
he was fine. What had happened was he hadn't washed
his brand new blue bed sheets before he slept on
them the night before, and the blue dye had rubbed

(18:43):
off him, off the sheets onto his skin, and he
left the hospital. He says, more red than.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Blue International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of
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Speaker 3 (18:56):
You're going to be mean to him for that. But honestly,
if you've done that with a pair of new jeans
and you look down at your leeges, you go, oh jeez,
what's wrong with me? And then you realize it's just
the denim. We've all been there, twenty two away from
five Marriolds's with us Alo mus.

Speaker 12 (19:08):
I wash every new thing, even underpants, socks. I wash
everything that's new before I ever wear it. Why, well,
I don't want to have I don't want to wake up.
But he blew from head to toe because I haven't
washed the sheets.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
Well, I mean maybe, no, No, it's I think it's
not a bad idea. I do that with the kids
because you know, here's weird stuff that they put in
it to sort of make the clothes look awesome on
the rack. But I feel like you're missing something here
does which is that your clothes will never look as
good as the day you put them on before washing them.
Because they've got all that bad chemical in them. You
should wear it first.

Speaker 13 (19:44):
Mate.

Speaker 12 (19:45):
The thing is, look what's inside the clothing. It's never
going to.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Get any better.

Speaker 12 (19:48):
I don't give a bugger anymore.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Yeah, oh that's true as well. Now what do you
make of Matt Canavan?

Speaker 12 (19:53):
Well, a new broom, that's for sure, from Membory. Now
I should have looked this up. I think he's forty five,
been around for a while well, very conservative. Lost the
leadership ballot for the Nationals Party to David Little Proud.
He was just hopeless. He was just a dreadful leader.
And he stood up there the other day crying at
his resignation saying, oh I've done this, I've done that.

(20:15):
He is just an absolute skid mark on the underpants
of the National Party. He was Matt Canavan, on the
other hand, brand new breath of fresh air. Very conservatives,
I say, ex chief of staff to Barnaby Joyce. He
was the guy who was driving the coalition to rejecting
the Paris Agreement, to rejecting net zero by twenty fifty.

(20:37):
He wants new coal fired power stations in Australia to
transition to nuclear power. He wants more babies. I think
he's got five children himselves. Wants more manufacturing. And I'll
tell you what he's doing. He's challenging Pauline Hanson. They
both come from Queenslander, both in the Senate, and she
was very quick out of the blocks when he slapped hands.

(20:58):
And by having no policy apart from negative, narrow racist policies. Oh,
there's no such thing as a good Muslim. He gave
her a backhander for that. Ah, Matt Canavan, you just
another woke lefty you know. Hello, he's far from left.
You know she's accused of of being all these things.
Canavan is a straight, STRAIGHTI one eighty. He is a

(21:20):
right winger and he's going to compliment the Liberal leader
and Angus Taylor, who's much more than a moderate compared
to Matt Canavan. He's also young and he doesn't mind
calling a spader shovel. It's going to be fascinating how
that when the Pharaoh by election and Susan Lee's old
seat goes to the polls in early May, he's got
a chance of maybe lifting up that National Party vote.

(21:43):
Right now, it looks a contest between Pauline Hanson's One
Nation and that very popular independent down there.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Now, tell me what you think of him, muz, because
if you follow what people are saying about right wing politics,
they say right wing politics has shifted to the right.
You need people who will call a spade a spade.
You need people who are more on their positions. Is
he going to be like are people going to like
him enough? Is he really going to be popular?

Speaker 14 (22:07):
Look?

Speaker 12 (22:07):
I think he will be to that sort of rump. Look,
I honestly think you and I have discussed as the book.
I think Pauline Hanson's popularity is completely ephemeral. As soon
as we go into the ballot box, no one's going
to vote for She's got nothing to say about anything.
What people are flocking to her for is a protest vote.
If the Nationals and the Liberal Party over here, it's

(22:28):
like a National Party in New Zealand, they're the conservative
side of politics. They've been in complete disarray, fighting over
each other like weasels in a sack. If they can
put together, with the two new leaders, a coherent suite
of policies, you know, lower migration, let's have more productivity,
let's look at ways of boosting the economy. Let's look

(22:50):
at building stuff in Australia again. I reckon the votes
are going to flock back from Pauline Hansen back to
the conservative side of Australian politics. She's got nothing to offer,
whereas people of substance like this guy Matt Canavan. You
might not like what he says, but he says it
with conviction, and he's an economist. That was his background.
He was a trained economist, so he knows what he's

(23:10):
talking about. Yes, whether you like what he's saying is different,
but he knows what he's saying. And people I think
will come back to listen to a guy like him,
not like Pauling Hands. And there's no good Muslims. Don't
be so stupid, lady. Of course they are good. Look
at the guy at Bondo Beach last time I checked.
He was a Muslim for God's sake.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Yeah, yeah, it's a fair point from you, Mozz. Thanks man.
Look after yourself and wear your clothes. Well that's Murray
Old's Australia Correspondents seventeen away from five.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Heather do for Sea Ellen.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
When I buy new clothes, Heather, I wear them straight
out of the store. Meto, Oh you put them on
in the store shorn Ah. Sometimes I do that as well.
That is weird. It's when you when you buy something
you like, it's better than what I'm wearing right now,
and then you put your old gear and they find
it weird having to take that tag off you while
you've got the shirt on. But frankly, I don't care.
I'm like, I'm the one with the money here, so

(24:00):
I'm the one paying twenty dollars for the shirt. Take
the tag off now. I need you to adjudicate something
for me, Okay. Emily Rights versus Chelsea Winter. Chelsea Winter
is the one from Celebrity Master Chef and Emily Rights
is from Wellington, and she writes brilliant stuff about being
a mum. Do I have time? I don't think I
have time. I don't got time. Hang on to after

(24:21):
Barry and I'm going to read you. I want you.
It's basically it's a catfight, and I want you to
adjudicate for me who which team you're on, and then
then we'll talk about it a little bit later on
heither before you interview, Next time you interview Nickel from
here in New Zealand. Ask him why they insist on
flogging this lamee soon to be dead a horse of
a JFK flight so on to New York. It burns
a mind boggling amount of fuel with a half empty

(24:42):
plane to carry all that fuel while they're canceling regional
and domestic services. Who are we serving here? Not the
New Zealand public but a vanity project, well said Barry Soapers.
Next sixteen away from five.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payments certainty.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
The TeX's already coming in hither. I'm on Chelsea Winter side.
Here the Chelsea Winter takes herself way too seriously. I
vote for the funny ones. Stand by, wait till I
tell you what happened, then you can vote. Thirteen Away
from five. Barry Soper, Senior Political correspondence with us Ello Berry.

Speaker 13 (25:09):
Good afternoon, Heather, never heard of it? Who Chelsea Winter?

Speaker 3 (25:13):
What about? Emily writes, no, no, my cap. But that's
that probably says more about you.

Speaker 13 (25:17):
So I thought about. What's something like that? Here?

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Government's defended its record with Mardy. What's happened?

Speaker 13 (25:23):
Yeah, Well, Labour's Willie Jackson as he's wont to do.
Was on the war path in Parliament this afternoon having
a go at the Minister for Maldy Development, Tama Portaka,
who I've got to say was in fine form. Jackson
was citing how Maldy had been suffering at the hands
of this government, which saw Portaka ticking off, how Maori

(25:46):
have actually benefited under the government policies, and then this we.

Speaker 15 (25:50):
Don't speak from the podium of truth, must have speaker, but.

Speaker 16 (25:53):
From the crucible of outcomes, mister speaker, Speaker, the tracks,
Thank you, mister speaker.

Speaker 17 (26:04):
Does the minister accept that is track record in terms
of cutting Marty and targeted funding in areas like Marty housing,
Marty broadcasting and Marty trade training has resulted in a
record ten year high of Marty unemployment.

Speaker 15 (26:21):
Yes, we have inherited the fiscal cliff and Brdy broadcasting
that the member who asked a question have left us.

Speaker 13 (26:30):
So it was fine for WILLI. I think he got
more than a baggain for me because Poltucker is normally
philly mild manner.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Do you think he had to go away and google
the meaning of crucible?

Speaker 18 (26:42):
Is it doing?

Speaker 3 (26:44):
Actually, I'm not gonna lie. Got me back all right,
So Labour's in trouble, day two, day three, whatever it
is now for keeping the public in the dark.

Speaker 13 (26:52):
M yeah, well look there was further clarification on why
information identified by the Royal Commission into COVID about the
dangers of requiring are under eighteen year olds to have
two COVID vaccines before they were allowed to go to work.
It was hammered out again in Parliament this afternoon. The
targets were the same the ministers who were briefed on

(27:14):
the dangers Labour's Chrisippians and the Health Minister at the
time Asheverral New Zealand first Winston Peters and was firing
the shots through the Health Minister Symbian Brown and got
what he wanted dabolisten.

Speaker 19 (27:28):
The Royal Commission found that Honorable Chris Hipkins was informed
of the COVID nineteen vaccine Technical Advisory Groups concerns and
a briefing on twenty two December twenty twenty one, and
this briefing was considered by Honorable Asia Viral on seven
January twenty twenty two.

Speaker 20 (27:42):
Genos, why after more than four years has the Ministry
of Health kept it hidden and why does this briefing
not appear in the Ministry's list of briefings provided to
Minister Hipkins in December of twenty twenty one.

Speaker 5 (27:55):
Point of order the Honorable Career mechanomtical.

Speaker 9 (27:58):
A suggestion that a ministry kept information hidden surely as
an inference that shouldn't be allowed in a question.

Speaker 19 (28:05):
Well, I'm not aware of why this briefing was not
publicly released. That would be a question for the Ministry
of Health or Honorable Chris Hipkins.

Speaker 13 (28:18):
That person, of course he's always yelling out, is none
other than Shane Jones. I mean, it's quite funny.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
Right, So is Coper King going to stay with the
Maori Party or not?

Speaker 13 (28:27):
Well, that's actually a very good question hither because she
was repatriated this week into the Maori Party. I saw
her in Parliament this afternoon though, sitting with Takuta Ferris,
who hasn't taken any action about his expulsion, so he's
now the only independent MP in Parliament. She says of

(28:47):
the High Court decision, she will sit with the decision. Well,
Carpa Kimmingy may be back on the Morrow Party's team,
but if you listen to her, the team would appear
to be dysfunctional.

Speaker 21 (29:00):
We in a new day and age were in Nei
MIOUDI continue to experience enduring prejudice. I was left with
one choice, and that was to call it out in
one of the highest levels I could. When Chikunga was
blatantly ignored. The court made it very clear there was
no evidence to support allegations that I misused funds or

(29:21):
bought the party into distribute. It also confirmed that the
fat sheet distributed last October, which made serious allegations against
one of my children stated quote regrettably did not record facts.
Our people want a movement that is reflective of Madi
hearts and minds. The question remains whether the Party Maori

(29:43):
can be trusted by mid or hair while no changes
have been made and the capability of the party beyond
this term is debated amongst to Emi Miudi.

Speaker 13 (29:53):
You'd imagine now what's going to happen in the Maori
party because really Kapa Kingi years after John Tammahadi, who
of course is the president of the party, and there's
no love lost of course between the co leaders of
the party either in Kappa Kingi. So look, I can't
see this panning out very nicely and in fact, just

(30:14):
before an election where they could be the third coalition
party if Labor gets enough numbers. I think you know
they've still got a lot of.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Reparation to do to right, Barry, thanks very much, Barry Soper,
Senior political correspondent, eight away from five, Heather, I just
searched a few Auckland to New York flights next week.
For example, two flights of six seats in economy with
business and premium full. Another had twenty in economy left
and both premium business fuls. So to say the flights
are going half full is not true. Lindsey, thank you, Okay,

(30:43):
here we go. You adjudicate, you decide who are you
on Team Chelsea or team Emily. So Chelsea Winter puts
on her social media it's very popular on social media.
She puts on her social media her personal morning routine,
and Emily writes pokesfunded the morning routine. Is this a
pretty typical weekday rhythm for me? Lately five point thirty

(31:04):
am my sunrise clock wakes me. Brackets can't do alarms,
visualization plus gratitude, connecting in and setting the tone for
the day, while coconut oil pulling. I don't know electrolytes
and intention infused water brackets. I rest paper with my
written intentions over the water overnight, then typically eat a
boiled egg, single boiled egg that's intended to protect her

(31:27):
quartizole levels before she meditates, affirms, and invokes. Then she
goes outside for some light stretching, some morning sunlight and grounding,
followed by a full body dry brushing and facial massage
before ten minutes rebounding. I'm figuring this is all in
the time available before the two children wake up, because otherwise, yeah, yeah,
I don't know how you do that. Anyway, that happened
on Thursday, Monday, Emily writes, decides to give it a go.

(31:49):
She takes the mickey Chelsea Winter can't do alarms.

Speaker 18 (31:52):
Fair.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
I've never needed one either, because I have a child
who wakes at dawn. Instead of a sunrise clock, which
creates a soothing sunrise simulation, I relied on my children. Unfortunately,
my sunrise simulation started at midnight when my son's blood
glucose alarm went off. I treated the high, went back
to bed. It went off again. I corrected it again.
Then he went low. So I gave him juice and
waited beside his bed, and then my youngest needed the toilet.

(32:14):
I tried to visualize Alexander Scar's guard carrying me out
of my house, straight into a car and off to
the airport where there's a private jet waiting to fly
us to one of those islands with huts over the water.
I try to visualize him saying, OMG, you're so hot, Emily.
I'm going to redacted your redacted on your redacted with
your redacted ha ha. Time for breakfast. One single egg.

(32:35):
I eat the egg. I'm still hungry. Now. I can't
believe this, but this thing has blown up. It's in
the Herald. The ladies are upset about it. They are
trying to be chilled, but Emily's not happy it's in
the Herald, and Chelsea's unhappy that Emily's taken the mix.
So whose side are you on?

Speaker 22 (32:52):
Here? Are you on?

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Chelsea? My life is perfect? Or Emily? I'm gonna take
the mickey out of women who pretend that they lives
are perfect. Take the pulp and then we'll deal with
it shortly. Shane Jones next.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
It's Heather Duplicl and drive with One New Zealand to
coverage like no one else.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
News talks heavy.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Afternoon. There are calls on the government to start talking
realistically about the possibility of fuel shortages in New Zealand.
The government is taking advice on all options in case
our stocks dry up, and this comes as the country
today released six days worth of supply worth of fuel
to the global market to meet international obligations. Shane Jones
is the Associate Energy Minister in charge of fuel security.

(33:40):
High Shane greetings, good afternoon, scale of one to ten.
How likely is it that we have to ration fuel
in some way?

Speaker 18 (33:49):
Well, we've already identified that. One of the interventions that
we're going to get advice on is demand restraint, which
actually means ensuring that if this situation gets muchter, worse
and worse, we're going to have to look at how
we can stretch our supplies out at home. Fortunately, at
the moment we're still told by the ore companies and
the officials there's fifty days both on the water and

(34:10):
in the country.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
What are your options for demand restraint?

Speaker 18 (34:16):
Well, one thing that we're going to have to look
at is whether or not we change the characteristics of
the type of fuel that we bring into New Zealand.
That would possibly broaden the sources from which we get
the fuel. I don't want to sound too pointy headed,
but fuel has quite exacting characteristics when it comes into

(34:37):
the country. Now, that's one thing that we could probably
find other places to draw fuel from. Number Two, we'll
dust off what the options have been in the past.
And obviously I had the High Commission from Australia into
my office yesterday and he and his people and the
Wellington bureaucrats along with the Foreign Affairs working very closely

(35:02):
with the Aussies because we're going to have to hang
very tight to them in the event that there is
a set of scarcity problems for us, both in Australia
and New Zealand. There are closest neighbors, there are closest allies.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Are you seriously considering Carlos days.

Speaker 18 (35:22):
No, it's too early to identify any specific intervention. I
mean perhaps there's thing's all over in a week, who knows, But.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Are taking advice on it if you're not seriously considering.

Speaker 18 (35:35):
It, well, No, Kiwis expect their government to be proactive.
Kiwis expect us to deal with the fact that other
countries are holding their fuel, they're introducing export restrictions. So
what we need to do is ensure that we've exhaustively
looked at every option. So if things do deteriorate and

(35:56):
we make decisions, they're made on the basis of quality information,
not some grasshoper attitude.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Listen have you, I mean, how do you feel about
the fact that Western Australia has run out of diesel
in rural areas?

Speaker 23 (36:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (36:11):
Well, my message to kiwis obviously is that look, we
do have adequate supplies of fuel, but then I've got
no shortage of other people fearful that if we don't
have a contingency plan we'll get caught on the hop
Those areas where there has been a run on fuel
are very isolated areas and we don't quite have the

(36:33):
same topography or isolation, such as Carnaverine and Geralton.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
Okay, half of the oil, half of the fuel that
we have is apparently still on the water. How sure
are you those ships are not going to get diverted?

Speaker 18 (36:46):
Well, you ask a damn good question. We rely on
the quality of the contracts, the enforceability of the contracts
with the oil companies are.

Speaker 24 (36:53):
Going to remind everyone on your program.

Speaker 18 (36:56):
The oil companies move New Zealand to are just entire
time model. And the labor government approved of the closure
of the refinery. That's why we are where we are.
There's three hundred and fifty million liters of spare storage
capacity that was closed down when the refinery was decommissioned.

(37:16):
And keys have got to wake up here when we
have these challenges of resilience and these decisions that were
made and some sort of gratification of New Zealand's climate ideology,
these are the costs that we didn't see coming, although
Winston and I argued against it in the past.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
Shane listen, thanks very much for your time as we
was Shane Jones, Associate Energy Minister in charge of Fuel
Security eleven past five. Ever due for the outline that subject.
Regional mayors are worrying after news that Air New Zealand
is cutting oney one hundred flights because of the spike
and the jet fuel prices. No routes themselves have been
cut yet, but some will not get as many flights
as they do at the moment. Kat O'Brien is the

(37:53):
executive director of the Board of Airline Representatives and with
us Hi kat Hi Heather, Now, what's worrying the mayors
as the possible ability that any flights that are cut
will not be restored. Do you think that they are
right to be worried?

Speaker 23 (38:05):
Look, I think what I understand from in New Zealand
is that this is a temporary response to what we
all hope is a temporary extreme spike and jet fuel prices.
So I think that at this stage we're just looking
at a temporary response.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Okay, Craig's investment, When does it not become a temporary response?

Speaker 23 (38:21):
CAF Well, I think Shane has similar concerns, right Master
Jones has got the same question, and I think, you know, unfortunately,
airlines are very familiar with jet fuel allocation when we
have jet fuel shortage, and we have responded to those
situations in the past recent years, and so I hope

(38:42):
that we don't find ourselves in that position. But if
we do, you know, there'll be more trouble at Melone.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Okay, Craig's investment partner says they can't understand why flights
are being cut given that aircraft are eighty five percent full.

Speaker 23 (38:57):
I think that my understanding is that the flights that
have been consolidated, which means that you know, essentially they're
moving two into one, that sort of thing off peak services,
so they will not be eighty five percent full. And
also if they were, you'd have a whole huge number
of customers unable to travel because if you try to
join two into one and they were both full, then
they wouldn't work, right. So I don't think that's the case.

(39:20):
I think we're talking about off peak services that are
already not particularly well patronized, and then those are being
consolidated where they can be to essentially be really efficient
with a really expensive product.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Is Jetstar do you think likely to do the same
thing or not because they have so few flights already.

Speaker 23 (39:39):
Yeah, They've got a totally different network in New Zealand
is operating a regional network that goes much greater geographic
distance to many more ports, and they have a wholly
different problem than Jet Star, which is operating trunk services
using jets only.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
Cath It's good to talk to you always is a
Cath O'Brien Board of Airline Representatives Executive.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Director Heather Duplessy Allen.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
So the word is that the government is going to
overhaul the dog laws after all, possibly in the next
few months. Now, this is a change in position. If
you've been following this issue with the dog laws, it's
a change in position because earlier this month Simon Watts,
who's the Minister in charge of the stuff, said he
didn't have the capacity for it this term, and fair
enough because this government actually has got a lot of
work on at the moment. But now the word is

(40:25):
going around that there will be an announcement mid next
week and that the announcement will include a review of
the of the dog laws, if not actual changes to
the dog laws, and then a range of options following
official advice. So if the dogs are upsetting, you might
be some good news on the way, right, Lord of
the Rings, we're going here again. Is anybody wanting to
watch it? We'll cover this off next quarter past. Hey,

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we've got some big news for the film industry in
New Zealand. Kate Winslet is coming here to film another

(41:52):
Lord of the Rings film. It's called The Hunt for gollum.
Ian McAllen and Elijah Wood are also expected to be
connected to this thing. Film reviewer Dominant is with us
now high Dominic, Hi, Heather mad do you reckon there's
an appetite for more of the Lord of the Rings stuff?

Speaker 22 (42:07):
Absolutely? I think, sort of from two angles, there's an
appetite for it. You know, Hollywood is so based on
intellectual property these days. It's all about known stories and characters,
and with things like Star Wars in the Marvel universe,
you could argue that they've run them into the ground.
And even though there's no shortage of Lord of the
Rings material out there, it's still, relatively speaking, still feels

(42:30):
rather under exploited, if that's a word we can use.
And also I think that there's still a huge amount
of goodwill on the audience's side for this franchise. In fact,
every year that passes that original trilogy just seems better
and better because we're now realizing that it was the
last gasp of a kind of tangible, practical form of
blockbuster filmmaking that will probably never be mounted again, including

(42:51):
in this new one where you know, the Hobbit films
are a lot more digital than the original trilogy, but
just the fact that they built all that armor and
got the Alvin Kloe folks and all that kind of thing.
I think people are just have so much good will
with that franchise as part of you know, as partly
as a result of that that tangibility.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
So is there a chance that this, to Lord, I'm
probably going out on a limb here, Dominic. Is there
a chance that turns into something like the Marvel universe
or you know, any of the DC universe where you
just have all these off spinning stories that go on
for decades.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
There's a strong chance of that.

Speaker 22 (43:26):
In fact, I'm concerned that that is the case a few.

Speaker 25 (43:32):
Years ago, because it devalues the integrity of the property,
and market forces demand this kind of project, and you
could That's why I said, the sort of an appetite
from all angles.

Speaker 22 (43:47):
It's been a long time since we had a live
action Lord of the Rings movie. People don't be seen
to be paying a huge amount of attention to that
TV show. So a Peter Jing Peter Jackson associated Rings
project would generate a lot of excitement, I think, But
we haven't, as I said, we haven't run it into
the ground yet. But also a couple of years ago,
there was this animated film, The War of the Row

(44:07):
herem Or a year ago, and I understand. Part of
the reason that was made is that when you make
a deal for these characters and these intellectual property rights,
you have to make a film every certain number of
years to maintain them. And I gather that was not
the official reason, but I gether that's partly why that
animated film exists, and so they can't sort of sit

(44:28):
around on their hands for too long. They kind of
got to get someone going to maintain the ownership.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Interesting, all right, Dominic, thanks for that. I'm glad. I'm
glad that. Well, I was just going to say, I'm
glad that you sound happy about it, but you don't,
actually Dominic Corey film Reviewer, Well, I tell you what
I'm glad about. I'm glad that I actually nailed it
with my question because I thought Jesus is going to
come off real stupid in a minute, isn't it. But
then it wasn't as stupid. Now apparently not as stupid
the Hunt for Gollum Apparently if you're like, where does

(44:54):
this fit into, then there's seventeen years between Bilbo's birthday
party and frod early the shire it happens. Then also
follow up question which I should have asked Dominic and
didn't was how the hell do you make Elijah Wood
look like he's a kid again? He's like fifty years
old now, but he needs to go back to looking
like that. So anyway, I look forward to seeing how
that works. Five twenty two, The day's newsmakers talk to

(45:17):
Heather First, Heather du.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
For Sellen Drive with One New Zealand and the Power
of satellite Mobile News Doorg SAIV.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Heather, there's definitely an appetite for more Lord of the Rings.
We walk them out town Belt most days and there's
hordes of tourists still turning up in buses to see
the locations used in the filming. Andrew, thank you. Five
twenty four. Now, yesterday I told you I thought that
Brian Roch's movery the primary teacher's pay was brilliant. So
let me tell you what I think of the union's
response to that. I am honestly not sure that the

(45:47):
NZDI could have stuffed this up more badly than they
did by threatening legal action. Let's understand what this legal
action most likely is. Apparently it's an injunction to stop
the government offering a pay rise to non union teacher.
Is at least that's what PC thinks. It is a
legal an injunction to stop a pay rise to non
union teachers. So what that means is the union is

(46:08):
now not only holding up the pay negotiations for their
own member teachers by quibbling over the Treaty of Whiteitungian
and over overnight camp allowances into the ninth month of negotiations,
but they are now also trying to stop the government
paying other teachers more, which is the exact opposite of
what a union's entire purpose should be, which is to
lift pay. It is quite strange to see a union

(46:30):
try to stop anyone, even non union members, from getting
paid more.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Now.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
I think this is a real problem for a union
that clearly already has problems. I don't know about you,
but it surprised me to see that there were ten
thousand primary teachers, which is thirty percent of the workforce,
who are not unionized. I assumed the strength of the
teaching unions would be greater than that. I assumed more
teachers would be in the unions. Maybe that was naivity
on my part, because I suppose, when you think about it,

(46:55):
what's the point in being unionized and teaching nowadays? If
you're not a union member, you will get the same
pay and negotiations and paying conditions that they negotiate. You
just don't have to pay them a fee. And if
teachers needed any other reason to not join the union,
they just got one. Yesterday when the NZDY, I completely
lost the plot and forgot what it was there to do,
which is to negotiate pay increases, not to stop pay increases.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Heather Doopers the al incidentally.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
Dale with us straight after the news right here, texts Heather,
no disrespect to Chelsea, but Emily sounds like someone with
a real life and I laughed my head off. Heither
Emily is relatable, Chelsea is insufferable. Heither Chelsea is allowed
to have a positive life Outlook good on her, Heather, Ah,
this is so gratifying. Chelsea inhabits a parallel universe. She
is deluded and self important and it's nauseating. Heather, Chelsea's

(47:44):
on the crazy hot scale. The other chick is just normal.
Thank you.

Speaker 18 (47:47):
Gary.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
Appreciate that Chelsea is trying to be New Zealand's Gwyneth
Paltrow and we Shealers ain't buying at I'm with Emily.
Hither I'm with Emily. If you're gonna publicly post that
kind of nonsense, you can expect some mocking. And it
goes on either I'm milk cows each morning. Some definitely
did not rise at five point thirty on Thursday morning.
It's March. Now, I'm I'm gonna vast majority, vast, vast
vast majority team Emily Hire and I'm gonna say I'm

(48:11):
team Emily as well. Emily does lean a little too
hard into life is miserable and children are hard. But
then again, you know children are quite hard, so she's
she's only leaning into something that's true. And I think
Emily's outlook helps some mums to get through. I don't
think any mum out there is helped by Chelsea pretending
that she's got she's got a down pat like that.

(48:31):
That's just a flex and it's not cool. News is next.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
The name you trumped to get the answers you need.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
It's hell duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else used talk there'd Ben.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
S me, Okay, look, I I am in two minds
about that. A thing has popped up about Justinda in
the Australian Financial Review, and I am in two minds
about whether I tell you, will not because now I've
said it, now you want to know, and so I
can tell you, But then she is occupying an unreasonable

(49:15):
amount of space in this program of late. But then
again that's because of the COVID report. So I can
see what I'm kind of like, Shall I tell you all?

Speaker 18 (49:21):
Shall I not?

Speaker 3 (49:21):
It might ruin your day. So I'm just going to
put that under my keyboard and I think about it
for twenty minutes, and then I might have to tell you.
Huddles standing by. We have Sam Thomas Scrimger and Mark
Sainsbury with us this evening. Right now, it's twenty four
away from six. Now let's talk about what's going on
with the unions. The Primary Teachers' Union has threatened urgent
legal action after yesterday's announcement from the Public Service Commission.

(49:43):
Brian Roach told us yesterday he's offering pay rises of
up to four point seven percent to non union teachers,
despite the fact that negotiations with the union is still ongoing.

Speaker 26 (49:52):
We did this after careful consideration and on the basis
of equity between two categories of teachers. The unionized and
we're fully engaged with them and the non unionized group.
The two are separate and distinct and that's how I
view them.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
Liam Rutherford is the NZDI teacher leader and he is
with us. Now, Hi, Liam Cuder here the great to
be there. Thanks for joining us, mate. Listen, have you
filed the legal action yet?

Speaker 27 (50:20):
Yeah, so we have filed legal action to bring about
urge of facilitation, which I mean it's something that we
shouldn't have to do. I mean, there should be some
willingness from the government to come to the table around facilitation.
And it's a shame that yesterday's announcement has gotten in
the way.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
Isn't that facilitation something you did last week?

Speaker 27 (50:42):
Notes, so we had mediated bargaining. Facilitation is a bit
of a step up where both sides present their presentations
to a third party who writes an opinion as to
what should happen. It isn't an uncommon thing when you
do get to a challenging part of bargaining, and that's
what we're wanting to do with the Ministry of Education.

Speaker 18 (51:03):
Now.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Okay, So when Brian Roach told us that he believed
it was an injunction, you were filing. It's not an injunction.

Speaker 7 (51:10):
No, that's right.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
You are not trying to prevent non union teachers from
getting a pay rise.

Speaker 27 (51:17):
No, we are incredibly frustrated and angry with the timing
of the move. This is a break from decades of
tradition where we settle the collective agreement and the features
that aren't members of the union get that passed on
through an IA. The challenge, and I think the frustration
and anger that we've heard from teachers over the last

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twenty four hours is that they're now going to be
sitting in staff rooms where you've got some haves and
some have nots. And given the kind of collegial and
collaborative nature of teaching, that's where people's anger and frustration
comes from.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Okay, but I mean there is already frustration I'd imagine
in staff rooms, don't you think where some of the teachers,
being on the individual agree's waiting for this union stuff
to be wrapped up. We'll be feeling a little grumpy
at union members for the fact that it's being held
up for so long.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (52:08):
We kind of hear two different things around that. One
is that this isn't a break from tradition. This is
how things have always worked, and so it is a
normal within the education system up until now. But what
we're really hearing from teachers, and in the last twenty
four hours it's been nuts, is that there's frustration that
we're now having to deal with offers that actually aren't

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going to address the issues going on. Primary teachers in
this round of bargaining put a great deal of intent
behind what it is that they were asking for, because
there are genuine issues. The ministry's own data shows that
we don't have enough teachers to be able to be
able to meet the needs that we currently have, and

(52:50):
so the things that we're talking about through negotiations are
about how we are going to be able to attract
and retain teachers. And when I say retained teachers, I
specifically meet now experienced tea teachers, because those are the
ones that are going to be the ones carrying the
load when it comes to implementing the government's change management
a gender around the new curriculum.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
So is the government right in saying that thirty percent
of primary teachers are not.

Speaker 27 (53:15):
Unionized technically correct, But a large group of those are
part time teachers or day to day relievers. If you
walk into any school, the overwhelming majority of full time
classroom teachers will be members of the union.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
What is that about about eighty percent?

Speaker 27 (53:36):
We don't go we don't go into specific numbers, but
yet the overwhelming majority of full time classroom teachers will
be members of the union.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
How does the proportion at the moment compare to the
proportion historically because I'm surprised that the number of teachers
who are not unionized, Like.

Speaker 27 (53:55):
I said, I mean the people that are typically part
time or day to day relievers and so actually have
the d do you know, I don't have the data
around whether or not the number of relievers and part
time teachers are growing and totally though, we are seeing
a number of full time teachers maybe dropping a day

(54:16):
a week, and they cite things like like a workload
and wanting to have a better work life, bad balance.
And that's a real shame because that's a direct impact
on the kids in those classes who are now juggling
to tea teachers. But it is genuinely an issue with
not enough people wanting to become teed teachers, and we

(54:37):
seem to have an inability to hold onto them.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
All right, Liam, listen, best of luck with all of this.
Thank you for your time, Liam, rather for the NZ
of DEI teacher leader. It's nineteen away from.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
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Speaker 3 (54:50):
In huddle of this has even We've got Thomas Scrimger
of the Maximum Institute of Mark Sainsbury Broadcaster. Hell are
you two, Thomas? You had all worried about the possibility,
as Audrey Young is, that we may have to start
talking about fuel shortages.

Speaker 24 (55:04):
I'm not too worried about it at this stage. I mean,
the prices have spiked up to day and that's already
the first step of rationing. People are going to be
driving less when petrol's over three bucks elev But you know,
it's certainly something that could keep coming that. You know,
it's not clear how quickly the fuel crunch will resolve,
and you know, we are at the fire end of
the world. It's not going to be first in line

(55:25):
for any fuel deliveries, even though hopefully fingers crossed those
tankers are on their way. I cycle to work, so
I'm feeling a little less stressed than some people, so
cycling is patriotic, you know, do your bit for the
national security and ride a bike.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
Oh my gosh, have you signed up to the Green
Party or something?

Speaker 24 (55:42):
I have not signed up to the Green Party. Here though,
I'll give you my pitch I cycle because I'm a
recovering libertarian. There's a kind of a great deal where
you can buy your bike without paying tax on it
because we're saving the planet. You don't have to have
a license, you don't fund hostile foreign powers. It's the
libertarian's dream. Cycling should be picked up by more right wingers.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
I'm loving the unexpected take on cycling. Okay, saying, so
are you buying this? You're going to get into the.

Speaker 7 (56:08):
Cycling Well, I'm it's ying and yang on the other
side of the equation. I've got a I took my
car up to Auckland the other week for using a
film a daughters working on and I think the fee
just covered the gas. It's got a seven liter V
eight and was made in nineteen sixty three, so you
can imagine how efficient. So I'm already paying three bucks

(56:28):
a leader.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Oh mate, have you how many Jerry cans have you
got out in the back full of fuel.

Speaker 7 (56:34):
Yeah, well it's weird. I mean, and of course you know,
we don't have the we don't have the backstop of Marsden,
which was the your company's decision. But you know, it's
apparently a little bit of it.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
But they got the okay from the government. So does
go back to the government.

Speaker 7 (56:51):
Well, why there's a government owners or But.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Apparently they didn't. They didn't pull the pin until they
got the nod from from old mate Meghan Meghan Woods
who shut down a whole bunch of stuff. Shut that
shut down that one too.

Speaker 7 (57:03):
Well, I still go back to all companies there was
their asset. Wasn't a state asset if they don't want
to run it?

Speaker 3 (57:09):
So you know, do you think though? But saying so,
is there a case in something like a strategic like
that you could argue that's a strategic asset, right, like
like in New Zealander, isn't Is there a case if
z wants to shut it down that you as the
state step in and you go, okay, you can do that
as a private company. We'll take it over.

Speaker 7 (57:27):
And use it as a strategic Yeah, reminery, most other countries,
Most other countries do it.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
I mean, are we finding out Thomas, that we've got
that we made a mistake.

Speaker 24 (57:39):
Well, the problem with Marsden that it was still refining
crude oil, and it's crude oil that's the problem. So
it might have been able to give us a bit
more leeway, and it would have given resilience against a
different kind of problem if the choke point in the
chain was refineries overseas. But if we couldn't bring crude
oil into the country, it wouldn't have made too much difference.
Here are real.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
Wrong, though, Thomas, because my am understanding of it is,
and I might be completely wrong. My understanding is that
with the refined oil, it limits the places we can
get it from. With the crude oil, you can get it,
you can source it from a wider range. Thereby, if
South Korea cuts you off, it's not as big a deal.

Speaker 24 (58:14):
But the problem is it's a global market, and the
problem is that prices are spiking. At the moment. You
can still buy oil. It's just ludicrously expensive and we'll
be for the while. So even though it gives you
the wider range of places, most times that won't matter
because the price tracks globally, so we can buy as
much as we want Now we'll just be paying through
the nose to get it.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Yeah, the fair point. All right, we'll take a break
that you guys come back and just a Ticket's quarter
two the.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
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Speaker 3 (58:43):
Right, you're back with the huddle, Mark Sainsbury Thomas Scrimger
now saying, so we need to talk about the welfare
numbers because apparently we have thirteen percent of the working
age population on some kind of a benefit. What do
you think of that?

Speaker 7 (58:55):
Yeah, I mean this is the problem, isn't it. I mean,
and the government had promised to going to cut that.
They've been in power two and a half years now,
and I see that I still blaming the last government,
which may well, I've had so contribution, but there's a
point where you're going to start taking on the chin yourself.
I mean, the numbers that are just exploding because jobs

(59:15):
are disappearing. That's what happens. It's how Wellington's been the
last year.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
It doesn't look I'm not an apologist for the government
or the National Party in particular, but I mean it
is hard to blame them isn't it saying so when
you have a recession which generally causes people to go
on the doll, which was caused by Adrian or so
it's not the government's fault.

Speaker 7 (59:36):
Yeah, well, then you could go back, was it Jesus's
fault for creating Aden in the first place.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
It's not that ancient history. The dude was in the
job only last year.

Speaker 7 (59:46):
But look, but I suppose one sign is these things
are a lot harder to do when people are electioneering.
We're going to be going through it all later on
this year, and there's so many things. It'd be like
when National launch Think Big, they did that, neither thinking
they're going to come into power. Then that was stuck
with it when.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
They were Yeah, I suppose, I mean carry on, No,
I'm just.

Speaker 7 (01:00:08):
Going to say this is something that I sort of
promised and and then you just you can't deliver. So
it could be all sorts of reasons, but it's not
a great look. Maybe they need to do some rebounding.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Yeah, well that was that one of their things. I think.
I think what it does is it kind of makes
it does make a mockery of a promise to get
people off the doll. But Thomas, the thing here is
I just wonder if when you look at these numbers
and you look at what's going on in the UK,
and they're having a debate about one and ten of
them being on the doll, if actually we've got a
structural problem here that we need to fix, Like maybe
there is something inherently wrong with the welfare system in

(01:00:41):
that it incentivizes people to not work.

Speaker 24 (01:00:45):
Oh, I think there's definitely plenty of room to reform
the system. The thing is how do we think about
how do we do it better? And the government came
into the election and nan to gavernment with a lot
of good talk about this idea of social investments, which
was supposed to think about these kind of things right,
long run kind of individuals, over time, getting people into work.
The problem is the government hasn't actually done anything with

(01:01:06):
the idea of social investments. They set up an agency
and it's kind of done some interesting you know, stats analysis,
but they haven't actually done the really interesting stuff. You know,
we need to have kind of performance based pay for
getting people off the doll We need to kind of
create opportunities and actually evaluate are we providing pathways into
work rather than just complaining about people when they don't.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
No, I don't have that idea. Now says, what are
you team Emily or team Chelsea?

Speaker 7 (01:01:33):
Well, listen is almost identical to my morning routine.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:01:36):
It's fishy. No, it's it's when I first thought I
thought I thought it was I thought it was someone
had done this as they're just taking the brevivial you know,
So no unteam Evily.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Are you? And what about you Thomas?

Speaker 24 (01:01:54):
Well, I'm going to not pick aside, and it's not
because I think either of them are doing anything wrong.
I just think both of them are cultivating an average
to sell for money. You know, Chelsea Winter performs aspiration
and Emily Rights performs authenticity. Neither of them do we
actually know. They're writers who cultivate images, you know, as
part of their personal brand, and so I think this

(01:02:16):
is probably great for both of them. I'm just in
it for the game. You know that both teams are going. Well,
I'm in it for the sport of it, and so
it's a huge success for both brands.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Okay, Well, if you're not going to take a take
a side, can you at least attempt to explain to
me what coconut oil pulling is.

Speaker 24 (01:02:31):
I wouldn't have the foggys what what coconut oil pulling is?
You know, to be honest, getting up at five thirty
is not really my jam either. But you know what,
I like that Chelsea Winter is doing it. It's important
to me that someone lives that great life, because I
don't if Chelsea Winter isn't doing that, what hope is
there for humanity? You know, it's important. It's that we

(01:02:52):
have somewhat great among us who can do such things.

Speaker 7 (01:02:54):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
Just it's like it's like the Messiah living here right
now saying, so I reckon, I reckon the intention and
fee used water sounds like it could be up you rarely.

Speaker 7 (01:03:03):
Well, although the coconut oil pulling apparently you gargle with
coconut oil and we'll run it round your mouth.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
Is that what she's doing here?

Speaker 26 (01:03:12):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
You're making that up right now on the rail?

Speaker 11 (01:03:16):
No?

Speaker 7 (01:03:16):
No, I read the story said that the the coconut
coconut oil pulling was a thing almost like a rinsing
your mouth, like a gargle with this stuff. God knows
what it's for.

Speaker 13 (01:03:32):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
You're just You're just a treasure. You're just so full
of wow. Thank you for that. I'm going to go google.
I don't trust him. I'm going to google it so
hardle Mark Sainsbury Thomas scrim just seven away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
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Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
Yeah, Sainso, wasn't lying. Coconut oil pulling is an ancient
practice that involves swishing edible oil in your mouth as
a complimentary oral hygiene measure. Build that in. Wake up
at five point thirty do that? Do you dry thing?
What was it? I don't know, some dry scratching, dry
scratching on your skin, bit of grounding, but a stretching,
but of getting some sun, all of that before the

(01:04:12):
children wake up. Hey, we're going to talk about welfare
with the Minister Luise Upston, who's going to be with
us after six because as of December last year, we
had four hundred and twenty seven two hundred and thirty
six people on a main benefit, which is the population
of christ Church. Basically thirteen percent of us not working.
That's like one in eight and that's been generous with
my figures. By the way, so we'll find out from
her what she's planning to do. Why the government, the

(01:04:35):
previous government can be blamed in part for the Marsden
Oil Refinery closure is if you go back and have
a look at the articles of the time, and I
think a lot of people have forgotten this. There was
the option to save the thing. The Minister Meghan Woods
had considered possibly underwriting Marsden Oil Marsden Point Oil Refinery
for maybe ten years in order to keep it open.

(01:04:55):
They decided not to do that. Now, maybe they had
good reason, but whatever the thing is in the they
were proven to have done the wrong thing because we're
only five years on from there. Had they decided for
ten years, we'd still be going in twenty thirty one
and we would probably still well, we wouldn't be having
the debate that we're having at the moment about it. Okay,
here we go. I'm gonna tell you really quickly about Jessinda. Okay,
we're gonna make this really quick. So do you remember

(01:05:16):
when Jinda did that video the other day and she
was like, Hi, guys, life update. I was hanging out
with my family on Sunday. She the AFI has revealed
was inside the Quantus Lounge, which is this is the
Quantus Chairman's lounge, which is the most exclusive airport lounge
in Australia, only used by powerful business and political figures.
Why they've pointed it out is because it does It's
not really what you would expect from old I want

(01:05:39):
to save children from poverty, progressive politician and I'm kind
to everybody person, you know what I mean. So if
you feel like Jasinda took the reputation, took the money,
gapped it and left us to kind of deal with
the recession while she lives her best life, you are,
in fact correct. That's the end of that. Now, News
is next.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
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Even in coming up in the next hour. Jamie McKay
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War's likely impact on the US economy, our economy and
Australia's as well, and then Ander Brady will join us
out of the UK seven past six. Now, it looks
like our government is well off track on its benefit
reduction target. The goal is to get one hundred and
forty thousand people off job seeker, or rather down to

(01:06:38):
one hundred and forty thousand people on job seeker. That's
a drop of fifty thousand right now. The numbers are
moving in the opposite direction though, two hundred and twenty
three thousand kiwis are still on that doll that's the
highest level in twelve years. Louise Upston is the Social
Development Minister. Hi Luiz, Hello, Heather, how are you well?
Thank you. We can put this down to the recession,
can't we?

Speaker 28 (01:06:57):
Well?

Speaker 14 (01:06:57):
Yeah, I mean one of the things that we do
know when you've got high spending, high debt, inflation, interest
rates that are high, the last thing is unemployment and
so correcting unemployment is the last thing that follows. What's
really encouraging is in the Mzier Report, for example, says
that we are seeing business confidence the highest it's been

(01:07:19):
since twenty fourteen. What happens when businesses are confident, they
take on more staff. The staff that I've got they
give more hours, they lift wages, so we are really
confident that things have started to turn the corner. We've
also seen with the latest labor market figures for the
December quarter an additional fifteen thousand people in work. So

(01:07:42):
while the job second numbers are challenging, we're seeing some
very strong indicators with business confidence and labor market figures.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
When is the fifty thousand reduction realistic.

Speaker 14 (01:07:56):
Well, it's the target is for twenty thirty. It was
all going to be incredibly ambitious. But look here that
I look at every single person that we move off
welfare into work the enormous difference it makes for them,
their family and their community. So that is what drives
me each and every day, person by person, connecting them
with a job, and despite their being challenging economic times.

(01:08:19):
Last year we've seen eighty three thousand New Zealanders move
off welfare and into work. So what we are doing
is working.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
Can we say though, that the benefit sanctions, which is
really the biggest thing that you've done to try to
get people off the doll aren't working.

Speaker 14 (01:08:35):
Well, I wouldn't say that because the most recent research
into the traffic light system says that ninety percent of
the people found it useful in understanding what their obligations are. Now,
remember these are obligations to be looking for work, applying
for jobs, be in contact with the MSD, attending seminars,
attending training, all things that help them to find a

(01:08:57):
job when the labor market cans improve. So I'm really
confident that as those businesses take on more staff, the
job seeker numbers are willfall. We have a way more
active welfare system than we did when we came into office.
More people in case management, more individual support, people very

(01:09:17):
clear about what their obligations are and knowing there will
be consequences if they don't reach them. So they're a
wide array of things that we have done to improve
the welfare system and to ensure that more people move
off welfare into jobs.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
Okay, so at the moment we have got I think
it's thirteen percent of the working age population sitting on
some form of benefit. That's completely unacceptable, isn't it, Louise?
And you know it's not unusual that the UK had
a similar debate not long ago about one in ten
of them being on the doll What do we have
to do to get that number right down to where
it should be, which is far smaller.

Speaker 13 (01:09:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:09:56):
So that's one of the concerns I had when we
came into office was despite there being very positive economic
times and employers desperate for staff, we saw job seeking
numbers go up under the last government. So yes, we've
got to focus on job seekers. We also have to
focus on reducing the number of sole parents on benefit.

(01:10:20):
When Nationals last in office, those numbers were falling, and
we're falling for many years. Labor come in and those
numbers start going up again, and we're focused on how
we reduce those numbers. It's not one thing, it's multiple.
But you're right, we do have a higher proportion of
the New Zealand population on welfare than we can sustainably

(01:10:44):
support in the years and decades ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
What's a sustainable number do you think?

Speaker 14 (01:10:50):
Look, I don't have a sort of target in mind.
My focus is definitely on job seekers.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
No, I'm not asking you for a target, although I
realize about answering the question it will become a thing
for you. But what do you reckon is a sustainable number?

Speaker 14 (01:11:04):
Look, I honestly don't know, and I haven't put a
lot of thought into it. I'm more interested in each
of the categories how we reduce it, and so I
sort of tend to focus on raw numbers rather than
percentages of the population because for me, I'm thinking about
real people. I'm thinking about real people. A sole parent,

(01:11:28):
how do we support her to get back into part
time work and then into full time work. For a
job seeker that's got health conditions, how do we ensure
they're getting their health needs met so they have a
better chance of being back in a job. And that
is where very significant changes in MSD are very much

(01:11:50):
around more individualized system. That's why the increase in case
management is really critical. So we've now got seventy thousand
people in case management and that is a cross a
range of category. So it's not just in job seekers
we are looking at sole parents, We're looking at young

(01:12:10):
people because we want to do everything possible support people
off welfare so they've got more choices and opportunities in
life and that person by person.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
All right, Louise, thank you very much. I really appreciate
your time. That's Louis Upston. The Social Development Minister Heather
America is preparing to seize carg Island. This is Iran's
oil export terminal, which is twenty five k's off the coast.
If they do that, then Iran's economy will collapse in
a day. What will in days? Watch this space, Steve. Now,
Steve makes a good point that this is something that
has been hinted at this week. At the moment, though,

(01:12:43):
and this is this is an important piece of infrastructure.
At the moment, it's completely untouched by the US Israel bombers,
and during the Twelve Day War which happened last year,
Israel also didn't go anywhere near this. And the reason
for it is the following. Experts say bombing or capturing
the site with US forces would be likely to cause
a sustained increase to already surging oil prices because it

(01:13:04):
would amount to taking basically the entirety of Iran's daily
crewed exports offline. We may see the one hundred and
twenty dollars a barrel price that we saw on Monday
heading to the one fifty if carg were attacked, they
can take it. Obviously without attacking it, you don't have
to destroy it. It would just have catastrophic consequences in

(01:13:24):
the short term for the global economy. But in the
longer term for Iran, they can of course take it
without bombing it, but that would be a little bit
more than just kind of sending some special troops. And
so we'll see what they do with that, because it
is it's a risky move.

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Six, Together do for ce Ellen.

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
Jamie mckaye, host of the Countries with us Alo, Jamie
good I Heather, you just arrived in Wanica, have you yes?

Speaker 9 (01:14:26):
Surrounded by road I'm surrounded by well three hundred vintage things,
three hundred and one if you count the south. I've
never been here before. This is a guy called Alan
Dippy who's responsible for the development along with his brother Martin,
of half of Wonica. Very successful business people own Miter

(01:14:48):
Tens and Nichols Garden Centers. And he's got this huge,
big shed, flash shed with three hundred vehicles in here
and surroundings absolutely magnificently. It is the venue tonight for
a fundraising dinner we're doing for Lincoln University for sport,

(01:15:08):
raising money for sport at Lincoln University. And Andy Dalton,
the former All Black captain old boy of Lincoln College
as it was back in the day, as one of
the guest speakers. Gary steed Stead should I say, former
Black Cap and former Black Caps coach only recently retired
or stepped down from that role. And his wife Rachel,

(01:15:30):
who's a good Balfer girl. That it's just up the
road from my hometown of Riversdale and she runs all
the sport including the netball at Lincoln, so it's going
to be great. I think they've got like one hundred
and fifty people here and there should be plenty of
money in the room hopefully, so we can raise plenty
of money for Lincoln at University as it is these days.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
And so are you playing golf tomorrow morning or did
you do it earlier today?

Speaker 9 (01:15:52):
None? I haven't played golf. I missed out on golf
in the Wira Rapper. I've got the clubs and no,
no Saturday morning. It's workday tomorrow doing the show from
here and then involved in another kind of fundraising thing
for the president of the Wana Karean PA Association. So
they're working me hard while I'm here. That sounds On
Saturday morning, I'm going to Millbrook, so that'll be good.

(01:16:15):
I'll just take ten golf balls with me because the
rough is particularly long there.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
At the moment I get.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
Through ten in the first two holes, I reckon, Hey,
did you have you told us yet? Who won the
Xander McDonald A woods.

Speaker 9 (01:16:27):
Yeah, a guy by the name of Kahn. I've forgotten
his second name, great wallywell halliwell, anyhow, I've just honestly
I haven't got it. Sitting in front of me, he
is a really impressive young man. He's I think third
generation Indians, Indian migrants who came here as father I

(01:16:48):
know is a dairy farmer and why Katto and he
took over the farm. It wasn't big enough to be
sustainable for him and his wife to go daring, so
he thought, how can I get an intensive use out
of this farm? So we went market gardening and he grows.
He grows a huge proportion of the country's watermelons, amongst

(01:17:10):
other things. But he's a really interesting character. He's got
a background in rural banking and as a fertilizer repee
got badly, badly hit in cyclone, Gabrielle. But he's just
one of those clever entrepreneurial guys and he was most impressive.
Beat out a couple of other really good New Zealanders

(01:17:30):
for the title on Tuesday Evening and christ Church. So
the other two Chloe Butcher Harries from the North Island
and a girl by the name of Lana Marshall from
down in South and they both had great cvs as well.
So this is a great thing to win, Heather. You
get to you get ten grand and you get to

(01:17:50):
fly around Australia and New Zealand and a private jet.
And most importantly you get the network networking with the
biggest farmers in Australasia, Australia and New Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
Cool, that sounds awesome, Jamie. Listen, you enjoy yourself, enjoy
all the hard work and then enjoy the golf at Millbrook.
That's Jamie McKay, host of the Country. Heither a farming
friend advertised his dairy farm job at eighty thousand dollars
a year, seventy five applicants, only five residents in New Zealand.
Of the five, one could not get themselves out of
bed in the morning. According to the reference. Three offered interviews,

(01:18:20):
one was a no show, one couldn't make eye contact
with the farmer, and the last one was the one
that he hired. There are jobs, there are just not
people interested in taking them. Thanks Campbell. Do you know, honestly,
there is a there is a chunk of New Zealand
that is just exactly like that, just a chunk of
New Zealand who have turned into a pack of drong goes,
if you know what I mean, and just cannot be

(01:18:41):
asked actually working. That is directly related to the fact
that we have what we would term a generous welfare system.
We are the reason those drong goos have turned into
normal people who have just turned into drongos. I feel
that's why I asked Louise Upston that question. I think
there has to be a fundamental rethinking of what we're
doing with welfare so that this group of people in

(01:19:02):
future generations can have a chance. Otherwise stories like that
will just it will just go on forever and ever
in this country six twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics, it's all
on the business hour with head the Dupicila and mas insurance.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
And investments, your futures in good hands. News talks' be heather.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
A construction laborer with overtime will push eighty thousand dollars
and maybe that farming salaries just aren't that competitive with
other industries, so they're dealing with the bottom of the barrel.
Maybe listen. Turns out the new Supreme Leader of Iran
was injured in the first wave of the US attacks
that killed his dad and his family. We've learned this
from Tehran's ambassador to Cyprus, who it feels a little

(01:19:43):
bit third hand the way he tells the story, but
he says that he's heard that the new Ayah Tolla
was injured in his legs and his hand and his arm,
and that maybe he's in hospital because he's injured. Now
analysts are seeing this one of two ways. They're seeing
this one as a sign of desperation by the revolutionary
guards by popping in a guy who is wounded, like

(01:20:03):
despite the fact that he's wounded they've sworn him and
basically as self preservation. But other analysts are seeing it
as a sign of confidence that the wartime machinery and
Iran can operate almost on order pilot, even if he's
in hospital. Six twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 29 (01:20:19):
It's Lyza with the Sea, not Lisa with Nenescnaigel Minelli's
eightieth birthday today, and some of us have surprised, frankly
she's lasted this long.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
But let me tell you, she has just spilled the
bee the tea on some really big names in old Hollywood,
because she's just released her hotly anticipated biography to coincide
with her birthday. In chapter one, she talks about her mum,
Judy Garland. Now she says Judy's addiction problems became so
bad that Liza had to become her full time care
at thirteen. She also talks about dressing up and sneaking

(01:20:48):
out of the hotels with her siblings because they couldn't
afford to pay for the night's day, so they're basically
gapping it. In another story, she takes some shots at
Lady Gaga. She says at the twenty twenty two Oscars, Liza,
Liza and Gaga present into the Best Picture together. That
was the year, by the way that Will Smith slapped
Chris Rock. According to Manali, Lady Gaga insisted that Liza
be rolled out in a wheelchair against her will. She

(01:21:10):
then quizzed Liza on her memory and what she said
felt like a cognitive test. Then Garga told Liza she
might just be better off going off home. Last, but
not least, Liza's written about a never reported affair which
was with the director Martin Scorsesey during the filming of
New York, New York. She says the pair bonded because
they shared a love of artistic intensity, their Italian heritage,

(01:21:30):
and cocaine. Liza's book is called Kids Wait Till You
Hear This it is probably out in any half decent
bookstore right now. And that is not even by the way,
the tip of the iceberg. With the yarns. There are
more yarns to count. There are yarns about Peter Sellers
and what a jerk he was. There are yarns about
how she invented the moonwalk. So if you're interested in

(01:21:52):
someone who actually finally tells you really ducing things in
names names, go and get a hold of this one.
Sam Dickie's with us next is going to talk us
through the impacts on the US economy of what's going
on in a run news talks EDB.

Speaker 29 (01:22:04):
It's Eliza with CD not listened with an escus, listen
with an escal snubs it's the instead of line instead of.

Speaker 3 (01:22:09):
The simplest VC Liza.

Speaker 29 (01:22:11):
Then am I double and then eat double L I
you double the and that's not new, Then E double
the L and with an I.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
That's why you say menlli.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the Business Hour
with Heather DUPLEICL and mass insurance and investments, your futures
in good heads used talks EDB.

Speaker 24 (01:22:32):
You don't have.

Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
Oh god, and ten minutes time Heather Smeme owner time
after time, thirty to forty applications, we pay good wages,
et cetera. Ninety nine percent are always immigrants. Her work
flipping hard. Two Kiwis have applied over approximately seventy times
and applications and they haven't shown up for the interview.
It's just absolutely brilliant Steve, Thank you for that. Yay

(01:22:59):
for us also? Oh lord, yeah, good evening, Kerry. That
would be me. Can I put it this way? I
adore you justified speech and words on the dron goes.
I work in the Solomons and I listen to you
as best that I can when the signal allows. I
work with people from the Philippines. My oh my, what
wonderful attitudes they have for the work discipline. I proudly

(01:23:19):
tell them their function that of their fellow countrymen that
help and uplift our dairy industry in New Zealand. Take
a bow the hard workers twenty three away from.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
Seven ever du for cl Now.

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
Before the Iran conflict kicked off, the US economy was
flying while New Zealand was struggling. In Australia was stuck
with that inflation problem. Sam Dickey from Fisher Funds is
with us to talk us through this. Hi, Sam, Hey, Heather,
how different were things looking for the US economy versus
US and the Aussies.

Speaker 30 (01:23:44):
Yes, very different stories across the three economies. So the
US was doing really well, sort of growing around three
percent the last couple of years, and inflation was continuing
to fall and it's almost at the Central banks target.
So that's otherwise known as goldilocks, that really powerful combination
of strong growth and falling in inflation. Ozzie had been
growing okay, somewhere in the middle, about one and a

(01:24:05):
half to two percent, but it has an inflation problem.
Inflation started rising again last year. It's around three point
five percent today, well above the Central Bank's target. And
then there's New Zealand in and out of recession as
we know, and inflation hasn't really behaved that well either.
It stayed higher than the US and headline inflation started
rising last year. So the US is sprinting. Ozzie's been

(01:24:26):
on a treadmill against fighting a head wind. In New
Zealand's been on the stretcher.

Speaker 3 (01:24:30):
So why has the US been able to pull this
whole thing off so much better than we have all
the Aussies.

Speaker 30 (01:24:37):
Well, I mean, if we do start with the Aussi's,
they just couldn't kill inflation. They got that double dose
out of the back of COVID, so massive COVID stimulus
like we all did from the government and a commodity
windfall that kept the economy running red hot. Now that
commodity tail in Australia is kind of fading fast, so
they face a tricky dismount as they're fighting yesterday's in

(01:24:59):
flav still but tomorrow's growth engine is sputtering. And as
you know, New Zealand has had harder for the post
COVID boom. Our house prices ran harder than most OECD
countries that two year fixed mortgage phenomenon, whereby we were
hitting the pocket pretty hard. You know, that mortgage bill
went for around two billion their quarter to six billion.
And then the US just has stuff that we don't have,

(01:25:20):
so they have niney their mortgages fixed for thirty years.
So there's a real staggered impact on the consumer. And
of course we've talked about this nauseam and the massive
AI investment going on over there, and of course they've
got a lot more fiscal large s, so they're running
kind of six percent fiscal deficits over there, which is
nearly double their fifty year average.

Speaker 3 (01:25:43):
Now that run has kicked off, though, does this blow
up the US advantage or does it tilt the playing
field for each of the countries.

Speaker 30 (01:25:50):
It's no one knows how it's going to turn out.
But if the oil prices stay high, it's say over
one hundred dollars a barrel for a few months. On
the face of it, before we consider the all important consumer,
the US and Aussie are better off at a national level,
so they're both long oil. They are net oil exporters,
and you know that we're the odd one out. We're
a genuine net energy importer. So basically it's a tax

(01:26:13):
on every KIV household. But the reality is consumers in
all countries get hit in the pocket at the pump.
So the only other nuance I would say is we're
kind of match fit for a tough environment over here,
and I don't say that lightly. That would just likely
prolong the temperate economy in New Zealand, whereas given the
really high expectations of ongoing strong growth in the US

(01:26:34):
kind of muddied by the upcoming mid terms. I think
there could be a more painful adjustment over there.

Speaker 3 (01:26:39):
Okay, what does this mean then for investors?

Speaker 30 (01:26:44):
You know, as we've discussed, trying to read the tea
leaves on geopolitics is always fraught, but especially so this time.
And I think there've been six different reasons and five
different objectives floated by various people in the US administration,
and they all contradict each other at some point in time.
But just keeping eye on those circuit breaks, because you
and I talked about an eight pril last year here,
which was President Trump doesn't care about the stock market

(01:27:06):
and Wall Street per se, but he cares about hurting
Main Street and the high oil prices obviously, but also
the higher interest rates we've seen in the US as
a result of the rising inflation expectations will definitely be
hearting the person in the street. So hopefully that will
cause them to blink sooner rather than later. But in
the meantime, remember to use this as an opportunity to
kind of understand exactly what you own as an investor.

(01:27:28):
Make sure you're as convicted as you thought you were.
Use it as an opportunity to speak to your advisor
and if there are a fabulous companies you wanted to
buy yesterday that are much cheaper today, it can be
an opportunity as well.

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
Yeah, hey, thank you very much. Sam has always appreciated
that Sam Dicky Fisher funds nineteen away from seven on energy.
Bit of a grim report out from PwC on the
gas today. So this is a report that looks at
basically how things are going to play out at a
bunch of scenarios, including whether we do the LNG or not.
But anyway, we're just I'm going to simplify this. These

(01:28:00):
are the things that you need to know out of
the report. This report assumes that the Maui gas field
stops producing next year in twenty twenty seven, and that
as a result of that, methods and balance leave New
Zealand as well next year, which is inevitable. I mean,
this has been reported enough long enough now for you
to basically assume that this is going to happen. It's

(01:28:21):
a case of when is it next year? Isn't December?
This year? Is it the year? There are? When is it?
But it's going to happen, and it's obviously going to
be not great for the New Zealand economy to be
losing methodics and balance. We will also be short of gas.
As a result of this, there will be business closures,
there will be job losses, there will be wider economic
costs households and businesses will need at some point. If

(01:28:45):
we do l G, it basically just extends. It buys
time for industrial users to give up gas, but it
will do no more. We will all have to give
up gas. We will have to give up gas in
this country and it will be very hard for households,
It will be very hard for businesses. There will probably
need to be support through the transition for both households

(01:29:06):
and businesses. To discuss this on the show, it's an
enormous amount of money for a business or a household
to transition away from gas and onto electricity completely gas
in the last decade, and this is what's going to
happen with the price in the meantime. Gas in the
last decade cost about ten dollars per gigaduel. It will
go up to twenty twenty, thirty five to thirty one

(01:29:28):
dollars according to this this is the projection thirty one
dollars per gigajeel so that is three times more expensive
than we have been paying in the last decade. Next
year is going to be particularly hard, according to the report,
because it is the year that Marui stops producing and
then Methodics and balance exit. But we have to wait
until twenty twenty eight for the al and g import
to start, right. That is, in the best case scenario,

(01:29:50):
that's when it starts. So you've got a year there
where you haven't got the gas coming in from there,
but you haven't got the gas coming in from there either,
which means the market is more exposed should it be
a dry year. So not a lot to look forward
to on the gas front, unfortunately, seventeen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
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The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and Mas Insurance
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Speaker 3 (01:30:17):
Heather, that's quite interesting on the gas supply forecast. The
majority of rural New Zealand exists on gas bottles for
hot water and cooking, amongst other things. I wonder what
the proposal would be for the country side. I think,
I mean, if we're talking about you know, your barbecue gas,
I think You're okay for now. It's more if you've
got your gas being piped into your names. However, if
you want to get off the barbecue gas or the
gas bottles, it's still expensive to convert to electricity, isn't it.

(01:30:38):
So the cost remains fourteen away from seven Endo Brady
UK correspondence with US.

Speaker 31 (01:30:42):
Hello Ender, Hey her, great to speak to you.

Speaker 3 (01:30:45):
Him mate. It's like groundhog Day here we are discussing
yet again. Starma is under pressure yet again.

Speaker 31 (01:30:51):
Yes, so this is again to do with the Epstein
files and his former Ambassador to America Peter Mandelsson, who
at one stage had this Jeffrey Epstein as his best
pal in the world, no matter where I am, and
even had emailed him to say I think the world
of view. Well, he got the boot in September mandelsshon.
What's happened now? Why this is from Page News again

(01:31:13):
is Starmer has chosen to release all of the files
relating to his appointment of Mandelson as British Ambassador to
America last year. They wanted to build a relationship with Trump.
They needed someone who could be in the room with
big political beasts, schmooths them and do what was best
for Britain, and I think they were completely blinded by

(01:31:35):
Mandelsson's ability to do that, and they completely overlooked this
friendship that was a very deep and long running friendship
with Jeffrey Epstein. Now Mandelson has denied any wrongdoing with
regard to that friendship. He's under investigation by the police
for alleged misconduct in a public office. But what is
damning here really is that Starmer, despite multiple warnings in

(01:31:56):
the files that have been released overnight, multiple warnings about Mandelssohn,
his reputation, he's very close friendship with Epstein, Starmer went
ahead and give him that gig.

Speaker 3 (01:32:07):
Right, So what's your prognosis on his career here, given
that the by election was lost to the Greens and
now there's more of this crap coming out about.

Speaker 31 (01:32:15):
Him, Well, he will limp on until May. There are
council elections across much of England. There are national elections
for the Parliament in Scotland and the Senate in Wales,
and I think if they're as bad as the polling predicts,
the Labor Party, unless they are, Turkey's heading head first
for Christmas, will sit down privately and think we need

(01:32:37):
someone to turn this ship round before.

Speaker 5 (01:32:39):
It's too late.

Speaker 31 (01:32:40):
They would still have two and a half years to
the next election, and I think if Starmer loves the
Labor Party and these elections are as bad as they
are predicted to be in May, he would have to
step aside. I mean, he's just a deeply unpopular prime
minister right now.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
What is the discount on these white loss jebs.

Speaker 31 (01:33:00):
Sent if you jog? So you've got to be able
to prove. Now, I did wonder how they're going to
do this. This is Boots the pharmacy. They're in the
papers today and they're sor They're linking up with a
fitness app. So you will have to have the app
on your watch. You will have to do five k
at weekends and you will get twenty five percent off

(01:33:20):
Mount Jarro and wegg Ave and all these weight loss
jobs jobs that absolutely everyone seems to be on. I'm
really split on this. I don't like the idea of
I've even read an article last week in Runner's World
about like super fit people are now taking weight loss
jobs just to get rid of the last two or
three kgs before a race, which blows my mind. The

(01:33:41):
stupidity of this, I don't know. I've made TV shows
on my show Roundtable about these weight loss jobs, and
all of the medical experts, every single woman I've had
on talking about this to a t they have said,
you know, you need to be exercising more. These are
not just like a merry You'll click the button then
it's done.

Speaker 3 (01:34:01):
Yeah too, right, But so how do you prove that
you've been jogging, because surely you could just record yourself
going out for quite a brisk walk and then say
I jog really slowly.

Speaker 5 (01:34:11):
Well, well there we go.

Speaker 31 (01:34:13):
I think, Okay, it's a great publicity stunt for Boots
if I'm honest we're talking about it. I think ultimately,
if anyone can cover a five K and they've got
it on the app, no matter how long it's taken,
they'll get twenty five percent off. But it's it's a
strange one.

Speaker 3 (01:34:27):
There's a strange one, and thank you very much, really
appreciate it. Into Brady UK Correspondent. Strange one that more
and more people are doing. You see some of the
people are going a little over the board. Do you
notice that you could tell when somebody's doing the old
jabs can't you, Because all of a sudden you're like like, wow,
you've lost a lot of weight. Okay, Wow you're looking skeletal. Okay,
now you look like you might have you might be
in a femine situation. And I think what's going on

(01:34:50):
is there's no addiction to food anymore. Now there's just
an addiction to being skeletor isn't there. Anyway, if you've
got somebody in your life who's overdoing the jabs, send
them my way. I'll give them an intervention if it's necessary,
because it is going a bit far. Question for you?
Is it gas lighted or gas lit? I'm asking this
because this is Sam the producer, who doesn't have a

(01:35:12):
great grasp of English. I'm not gonna live. It's great
on the the he will tell you everything you need
to know about Olivia Dean something like that. But he
was like, as a gaslighted or gas lit This is
because newsroom dot co dot in z had a headline
ling imports are we being gaslighted? And we all thought
as bold, no.

Speaker 28 (01:35:29):
I must be gaslet mustn't it. I mean, you don't
talk about something being lighted?

Speaker 3 (01:35:34):
Well, I think back in old English, you did. In fact,
when you were using hither, thither and wuthering, you would
be gaslighted.

Speaker 28 (01:35:39):
Oh blow my mind, there you go. I clearly they
don't have a very good grassy the English language either,
two producers. That's not very good, is it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:45):
But you've got other stuff up your sleeve, like geopolitics.
He hasn't gone anything like that. Both gas lighted and
gas lit are acceptable past tense forms of the verb gaslight,
but gaslet is more commonly used in modern usage, while
gaslighted is often considered more grammatically resass by some. So
that's why newsroom dot co dot zaid did that, because
they have a lot of the universities they're affiliated with,

(01:36:07):
so they could possibly use something as common as gas lit.
Eight away from seven, it's the.

Speaker 1 (01:36:13):
Heather Toople see Allan Drive Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio
powered by news Dog ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:36:21):
Heather, did you miss what Darcy Woodgrave said earlier when
he commented that he'd been told off last night for
mispronouncing Iran and Iraq. It's Iran and Iraq, not Iran
and Iraq. Thank you, Warren. We've already been told. We
have been told because Kevin is here. So Kevin is
Kevin is in for the German so the Germans off

(01:36:43):
having the baby as you well, baby's out by the way,
Baby's a boy, very cute. Kevin is in and Kevin
has spent some time in the Middle East, and it
is driving Kevin nuts that we're that we just we
just switched like randomly between them in New Zealand, Iranian, Iranian, Iranian,
ira Iran, whatever. And he's just all he wants is consistency,

(01:37:03):
but correct consistency. So thank you for backing him up.
It is in fact Iran Iraq and we're not American.
Now listen, if you're going to go to the races
this year, and if you are, where are you getting
your money? But if you're going to the races this year,
I'm just going to do your little solid and tell
you that you can take your clues and your cues
from Cheltenham. The looks this year is for the ladies,
Downton Abbey and Peaky Blinders for the boys. So down

(01:37:26):
to Abbey. Peaky Blinders is very obvious, it's very simple.
You're just gonna wear the flat caps. You don't have
to put the razor in there. No one will know.
For the ladies fitted waistcoats, floor length jackets, elegant head pieces,
lots of tweed. You want to kind of nail that
nineteen thirties kind, Well, they're both kind of nineteen thirties,
I suppose, but nineteen thirties look for the ladies ants.

Speaker 28 (01:37:45):
I think if you just took the hat away, the
peak blinders look is basically just standard formal wear. But
you just have to definitely have a waistcoat. That's a
nice thing about men's formal war is just we've always
had the same for a time I memorial and it's
never changes. Yes, Janet Jackson miss you much to play
us out tonight. So the knew Michael Jackson movie is
coming out. So sixty members of the Jackson family all

(01:38:06):
gathered for like a private screening of it, and apparently
there was a bit of a spat. Janet Jackson apparently
did not like the movie at all, did not like
the acting, did not like the makeup, did not like
how the actors spoke. And when she made the case
Jermaine Jackson, her and Michael's brother, he wasn't happy about
that because his son is playing Michael in the movie,
and he said, you are going to miss this wave.
You were so jealous. Just get on the wave now.

(01:38:28):
This is all according to an anonymous source in page six.
Apparently it's a bit of a family few over it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
So what's the waves, what's this wave? What's this young?

Speaker 28 (01:38:37):
So apparently this is one of the other family members
have said that basically, this is their chance at a comeback.
Right Michael Jackson was lightning in a bottle.

Speaker 7 (01:38:45):
He says.

Speaker 28 (01:38:46):
You can't recreate him, but you can remind the world
what he meant. We keep looking for that moment again.
It's about our legacy. It's about the comeback in store
for all of us, all the Jackson's. I'll tell you what,
I want to watch a movie about this. This sounds
way more interesting the life of Michael Jackson.

Speaker 3 (01:38:58):
You want to watch the mesa movie about the fight
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I would.

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See you tomorrow.

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