Full Show Podcast: 12 November 2025

Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
duper Cy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand to coverage
like no one else News Dogs.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Heav Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today,
We're going to talk to former police negotiator Lance Burdette
about what happened at the top levels of police. Also
the lawyer Matthew Hagen where the charges need to be laid.
Then all can counselor Morris Williamson on when the big
city will get the first congestion charges and Don Braid
of Main Freight on what is going on with his business.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Heather Duper c Ellen, Well.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
I think we can all see how this is going
to end for Andrew Costa, and we could see that
last night. He's going to lose his job running a
government agency. No one in charge can say that yet
because of employment law, but it is absolutely going to happen,
because there is no way that a man can do
what he has done at the highest levels of police
and then possibly continue to earn an income from the taxpayer.
Him losing his job is the right outcome here. But

(00:55):
here's the question that I think is up for debate.
Is Andrew Costa a bad man? Or was he just
bat at his job showing poor judgment and competence, naivety, whatever?
And I'm going to suggest that it was actually the latter.
He's not a bad man. He was just bad at
his job. It doesn't seem like he did what he
did because he wanted to hide what jeffn mcskimming had done.

(01:15):
It sounds more like he tried to make it go
away because he didn't believe that it was true. It
sounds like he believed mc skimming was just the victim
of a really bad breakup. He'd ended an affair, she
hadn't taken it well. Now she was trying to destroy
his reputation online, and so Andrew Costa seemed to have
thought maybe what he needed to do was try to
prevent these horrible lies from destroying the career of a

(01:35):
good man. So he tried to hurry things up and
shut things down and hide emails from ministers and not
tell the people appointing the next police commissioner that there
were complaints against mc skimming, And he got angry at
police officers who tried to raise concerns. Except, as it
turns out, Andrew Costa was wrong gefn Mcskimming was not
a good man. He was a creep. The woman's allegations
should have been listened to. She wasn't destroying the career

(01:57):
of a good man, she was alerting authorities to it
a bad man. But Andrew Costa was a police officer,
and it is one one of policing to investigate allegations
and listen to complaints, not shut them down. So he
failed at the very basics of his job. And unfortunately
for him, while he may not be a bad man,

(02:17):
he ended up doing things that I think we can
agree are bad things. Misleading, shutting down good police, wanting
to raise concerns, protecting a creep. Now, I don't know
is there really that much difference in the end, Is
there between being a bad man and being someone who
thinks they're doing the right thing but doing bad things
for him? The outcome is actually pretty much the same.

(02:40):
Whether he was bad or bad at his job. He
has lost his job and he's lost his reputation.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
Heather Duplessy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Nine nine two is the text number. Standard text fees
apply right, got lots more germic skilling information. And Andrew
Costa information throughout the show. But let's talk about one
of the great scourges of everyday life in modern New
Zealand chip seal roads. Now there is a community in
Pappamore who are understandably outraged that the news that their
asphalt roads are going to be replaced with chipseal. Mike
Seaborne is the totaling a city council head of Transport

(03:13):
high Mic Hello. Now, these guys say that the road
is fine and it doesn't need work. Do you disagree?

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah, we do.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
Actually, the road, whilst it may look fine, is up
for a newal, so after a certain amount of time
that we go out and check it and make sure
that the surface is working. But like paint on our house,
we're going to make sure that when you see cracks
and other things like that, you go along and repaint it.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
So that's what we're doing it in pubblem Moore.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Okay, Now, how much more expensive as asphalt? Like, you
guys can't afford it, can you?

Speaker 3 (03:44):
No, we can't. And I think that's one of the
things why we do love.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
Ashvelt sorry by chip sal is because it's Ashvelt is
five times more expensive over the whole of the life
One of the elements for us is that ashvelt is
used in certain circumstances like on intersection or with heavy vehicles.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
It's really good for that.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
But for residential roads we can use chip seal in
a much more cost effective way, which means we can
do more.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Okay, how much does it cost the sites that.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
We're talking about.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
It depends on the length of the site, but we
are talking sort of five times more, and a specific
example that the recent residents came and talk to us about,
it's at least another four hundred thousand dollars more than
the chip seal, which is quite a lot for a
very short length.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Now does it not last longer thereby kind of paying
becoming equivalent at some point?

Speaker 3 (04:35):
No, it doesn't.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
I think that's why we like to talk about it
from a whole of life's perspective. If it did, it
would be the natural and logical choice.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
But it doesn't.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
It's because when we go along to reseal it, it
only lasts about sort of one and a half times
as long compared to the price, So for us chip
seals than the actual absolute natural choice.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Okay. Now, the problem with chip seal is obviously and
this is the point that these guys are making is
that the kids can't ride their skateboards on it, and
it just becomes difficult to kind of, you know, for
those kinds of activities. Do you need to consider that though?
When you're doing this with residential roads.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
With roads, we're pretty clear on the purpose of those roads,
and unfortunately they're not really designed for skateboards in the
small wheels. Yeah, Normally in these environments we build the
foot paths and we have cycle ways and indeed we've
got skate parks being built out in Papamor and around
in Tung So that's how we cater for those customers.
These the jobs of these things is to provide low volume,

(05:36):
so not much traffic, not much heavy traffic, access to
communities and residents. And again just that that cost effectiveness
of it makes it the natural choice.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Now, why, if I mean, why have we ended up
with a situation where we had as felt now we're
replacing it with the cheaper, crappier product. Is it because
the developers later in the first place.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
Well, that's a good question, and I don't think it's crappy,
but anyway, I am a routing person.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
It's exactly right.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
It's noisier though, Mike, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
It is noisier, absolutely, it's one of the downsides.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
It's noisier, and you will cast.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
And you get these stinct little stones kicked up at you.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
Sometimes at the beginning it does sort of do that,
and we try and sweep them off as much as
we can.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
But over time that settles down.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
It just kind of compresses itself into the bitumen, so
that kind of goes away. But from that perspective, it
is still a sort of natural choice in that.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, but is it because the developers went all out
spent the big dollars, and then when you go to
redo it, you don't have as much money for the
entire place, so you're doing the chip seal. Is that
what's going on?

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yep?

Speaker 4 (06:40):
Pretty much, Particularly in a growth council like ours, there's
a lot of new subdivisions and sout is a natural
choice for them.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
And so the next question, of course, is this the future.
We don't have a lot of money in the country,
should we get used to the chip seal?

Speaker 4 (06:54):
Well, I'm a roading person, so I'm going to say yes,
and mostly because that means I can do more roads,
and I can maintain things and renew them really cost effectively.
So it is the future unless we come up with
new ways, which we are trialing. So we want a
smoother surface, less noisy. So we've got options and trials
on right now to use other products to make to

(07:16):
reduce those disbenefits.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Mike, it has been lovely to dis benefits, Mike, Mike,
it's been lovely to talk to you. Mike Seaborne totaling
a city council head of transport. How's bells here? The
cost of perverted the course of justice and vilified a victim?
You answered your own question. Costa is bad. Hither there
is a big difference, but unfortunately for him, the result
is the same. Hither a good man does not assume
the woman is in the wrong without investigating. He wasn't
a good man to the woman asking to be heard.

(07:40):
That's fair, fair point, listen. Can I just make this
point though?

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Right?

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Intent is really important here because it really matters whether
you think that Andrew Costa was trying to cover up
something that he knew had happened and he was trying
to protect his mate it was a bad man, or
whether you think Andrew Costa was trying to stop bad
lies being spread about a good person, which I think
is what he was up to. Intent is important. That's

(08:05):
why we have the difference between manslaughter and murder. You
know what I mean, like you have. What you're trying
to do is really important. As somebody said on the text, though,
same outcome for him Gomberger quarter past.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
It's the Heather dupis Alan Drive Full Show podcast on
iHeartRadio powered my news Talk Zephither.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
The chip seal is dangerous for motorbikes. It's like riding
on ice, especially when it's left on corners. The councils
have no idea Hither. It wears your tires fast to
head the chip seal. Ask him about safety cars take
longer to stop. Less grip eighteen past four.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Sport with tab power plays better unlock, bigger odds are
rating better responsibly.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Darcy Watergrave Sports Talk Hoosters with us. Hello, does hither
is okay? So what have we got in the England team?
Any surprises?

Speaker 5 (08:53):
No, There've been seven adjustments on this side and they
lost a couple of blokes they didn't recur from hamstring
and ankle injuries. That's the winger Freeman and second rower
Oli Chessham. They are not there. The big one here
is George Ford's back. He's the first five. He's the
string puller, so he's back in the lineup. After that's

(09:14):
seven changes. Here's seven changes to that side that beat
up on Fiji ran away with them at the end.
Eighteen was the score there. So it's adjusted. But I
think when you look at who they used, it made
sense to let Ford have a rest against that and
then bring him in fresh for this key game. But

(09:36):
there is not I mean, Maro Toji is off the
bench last time around, he comes back to start. He's
one of the weapons that they have. Emmanuel Faiwaboso, the winger,
the left winger, he's quite the player. He really is
so excited to watch him. But I suppose most of
the concentration is going to be on what the All
Blacks name and how they react to this, but more importantly,

(09:59):
what the do with the outs that we've got. We've
got to wait till late Thursday, and I think tomorrow night,
nine o'clock on Thursday night.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Tomorrow tonight, today's Wednesday.

Speaker 5 (10:10):
Yeah really, I lose days from time to time.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah, well it does it's that kind of a week.
I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, I thought it was Thursday yesterday.

Speaker 5 (10:17):
Same as well. But look, it's a huge game and
this is arguably the Grand Slam. Well I'm saying that
they'll beat the English and then they'll stumble against Wales.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Oh Lord Noyes.

Speaker 5 (10:28):
New Zealand rugby in the last three or four years
has had plenty of catastrophe to look, Yeah, what's another
one to throw it?

Speaker 2 (10:35):
We'll be fine. Hey, So the Black Caps is the
last T twenty? Is it against the West and East
tomorrow afternoon?

Speaker 6 (10:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (10:40):
Well the fourth one in Nelson got rained out, which
is a crime against humanity because I had the day off,
my daughter had gone to the mall and I just
watch rain terrible. But in Dneda, I think the weather's
going to be okay. And then the squad, the preliminary
squad for the T twenty World Cup has due to
be named after that, so there'd be fierce competition right

(11:03):
across all of the positions to see who climbs on
in so they can make a statement in that match.
And then they have a cup of teen to lie
down and the income Sunday one day's national start. There
are five of those, and then there was a three
test series and we'll be joined by Kyle Jamison on
the show this evening talking about that and Gibbet the Skipper.
James Parson's wonderfully sharp mind when it comes to rugby union.

(11:27):
Talk through the lessons from the English match and how
we saw the Scottish match and how they can be applied.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
To daughter eight.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
How old is your daughter? Early teenage?

Speaker 5 (11:39):
Yeah, mid teen?

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Do you remember how fun it was to go to
the mall when you were that age?

Speaker 5 (11:43):
There were no such things as Maul's when I was
that age.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Were you serious? I used to go to Manicow Mall
and we used to have that was back in the
day where you had the Addi das, the You remember
the tear aways, the pants with these down the side
and they were addid ass.

Speaker 5 (11:56):
Yeah, they are a favorite of male strippers, weren't they?

Speaker 7 (11:58):
Well?

Speaker 5 (11:59):
Is that why I know about them?

Speaker 7 (12:00):
No?

Speaker 2 (12:01):
I was because we'd put on our cool added ass
pants with the tear aways and we'd get old up.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
I'd say the generation I am because what was cool
when I was young around about there was the the
the Adidas pants that were super tight. They had the stirrups.
Oh yes, they were the skinny and barter ballot. Ten
years on meet I think I went to the Medievale Mall.
I was a bit younger, but it really was wonderful.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Wind Going to the mall was just like you could
You could crank yourself up for weeks about that.

Speaker 5 (12:31):
Or the Maxie Mark, which was this massive, massive department
store in Shirley. Maxie Mart was something else, especially the
fish and chip shop who didn't sell up because they
refused to move, so the Maxi Mart had to build
the huge department store.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Around it, around the outside of it.

Speaker 5 (12:48):
It was so good that days they they.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Were Darcy water Grave back at seven.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 8 (13:00):
It's an ugly read the IPCA report and the mixed
skimming behavior, as well as the actions of some senior
police of course, but the Chambers is the police commissioner.
Who's the bigger thug here, Costa or mix skimming. I mean, yes,
mix skimming has been dealt to him, but I mean
costin you that.

Speaker 9 (13:12):
I've certainly got a personal view.

Speaker 10 (13:14):
It's an absolute disgrace and lacking a leadership that's lacking integrity.

Speaker 8 (13:17):
Are you confident that that blindness that they portrayed is
limited just to mix skimming and no other complaints? Mike,
it is not quite enough. We clear that this is it.

Speaker 10 (13:30):
My job right now is to ensure that this never
happens again.

Speaker 8 (13:34):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
a Vida News Talk zib.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Hard questions strong opinion, hither dupathyl and drive with one
New Zealand hand the power of satellite mobile news.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Talk zedb third time this week that I've done that
right there. Four twenty five, Finally we've got the first
political poll out since the capital gains tax announcement by Labor.
Labour's up two point one point. Now, before you freak
out and think, oh gosh, people love the no, it's
not because they're stealing. Sent to write voters who love
a capital gains tax and just want them so badly

(14:08):
they're going to go to Labor. They are stealing Green
Party voters and you know how the Green Party voters
feel about TAXI can't get enough of it. So what's
happened is Labour's gone up two point one. Greens have
gone down two point eight. Quick run through the numbers.
National's gone from basically thirty one to thirty. New Zealand
First has gone from ten and a half to nine.
Actor has gone from six and a half to eight
and a half, so it's gone up center left, Labour's

(14:28):
gone from thirty five and a half down to thirty three.
The Greens have gone from twelve to nine. Big drop.
Marty Party has gone from four and a half to
three on the preferred Prime minister numbers. Christopher Luxen is
sitting on twin let's round them up to twenty one,
so he's gone up about a point and Chris Hopkins
is on twenty and a half. He's dropped it just
the tiniest little bit. Barry Sober will be with us

(14:49):
just before five o'clock, Heather. It's funny because todong a
city Cow can spend four hundred thousand dollars in coffee
makers but not on proper road surface, which was a
fair point because do you remember that the exemper four
hundred and seventy thousand dollars on coffee machines and coffee
So maybe next time, I mean, I don't think that
that's old mate who spoke to us Mike Seborne's department
the spending on the coffee, but maybe next time they

(15:11):
can put that into roading. Here the Costa is an
embarrassment to Christians and police alike. Now where is it? Well, yeah,
I think that Costa and Jevin mcskimming may have gone
to the same church because one of the emails that
the ex lover sent said, next time you attend church events,
make sure to ask jevn how many unsolicited photos he
takes to try to blackmail them into silence? Okay, churchmates

(15:34):
too uses.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Next digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duplicyl
and drive with one New Zealand coverage like no one
else news talks, they'd be.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Don't you win the body? I can do this all.
You'll be there to do.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
The morning give the police Minister Mike Mitch, you'll know
about the Deputy commissioner's behavior, Commission Costa's involvement when Costa
was giving it a given a career changing opportunity, hence
the motivation to get rid of I don't think so,
and I'll run you through that shortly the dates. But yeah,
I can't see that ministers knew very much at all
at the time that he was appointed. But let me
get back to that. Just got to tell you what

(16:16):
I said on the show yesterday about Costco opening at Drury.
Turns out that it is the truth. It's gonna open. Well,
I am so excited about because I haven't. I don't
go to west Aukland. It's just not part of my life.
But I do go to South Auckland because that's my
two DONGI as it turns out, So I'm gonna be going.
I'm gonna get myself at Costco membership. I'm spending a
lot of time at Costco Drury. And apparently also unlike

(16:38):
Costco and west Aukland, because of the trusts liquor alcohol
situation in west Aukland, they can't sell alcohol up there.
But Costco Drury you can get yourself some cheap booze.
We're going to talk to Chetwyn after five. She's the
Food and Grocery Council. Twenty four away from five.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
It's got world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
So the US is in the midst of its biggest
military build up in the Caribbean for decade. A carrier
strike group has been moved to the region, and it's
thought that the Trump administration wants to put pressure on
the Venezuelan president. He is a security expert from the
Atlanta Council.

Speaker 11 (17:08):
Well, I think an invasion is unlikely. Trump and Vance
and others have always criticized rock in Afghanistan, so I
think their hope is that the show of force itself
will get Maduro to leave, and then there's the possibility
of military strikes to increase the pressure on him.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Twelve people have been killed in a suicide bombing outside
a district court in the capital of Pakistan. A breakaway
faction of the Pakistani Tully Baton have claimed responsibility for
the attack. Pakistan's Interior Minister says the attack would have
been a lot worse if the bomber had managed to
enter the court building.

Speaker 12 (17:40):
The CCTV footage shows if the attacker standing across from
the building looking for a way to get in.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
Because of the tight security checks.

Speaker 12 (17:48):
For everyone entering the court, he couldn't gain access and
instead targeted a police vehicle.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
And finally, good choice from you ants, Yeah, if you
know your music, you know what he's done there. Australian
scientists have discovered a new species of bee that has horns.
The researchers found the bee while observing a rare wildflower
in Western Australia. Now one of the scientists has been
binge watching the Netflix series Lucifus. They called it the

(18:14):
lucifer bee, which is a real missed on opportunity not
to call it.

Speaker 13 (18:17):
The bill Zibub International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance,
Peace of Mind for New Zealand Business and.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Told me to tell that joke. And I don't even
think it was a joke, so it was lame. Twenty
two away from five. Jonathan Kursley, US correspondents with US Hello, Jonathan.

Speaker 14 (18:34):
Ten out of ten for the joke.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Ever, you're being soft on him, you know that now
because he's your mate. Now, when is the shutdown finally over?

Speaker 14 (18:43):
Well, it looks like it could be tomorrow. The US
House is going to resume tomorrow. Mike Johnson, the Speaker,
has called them all back. They will set it needs
a simple majority. Republicans have the majority, so it will pass.
It then has to go to Donald Trump's desk to be.

Speaker 15 (18:55):
Signed off, and then it will become essentially legislation in law,
and the government can work to reopen and resume certainly
forty three on days by the time we reached that point.
Even though that this has already passed the Senate, it
actually can't reopen until all of the legislative side and
Donald Trump signs off on it. So it's going to
be one more day. But there's going to be a

(19:16):
headaches still to come. I mean, we'll being warned about
air travel problem still because it's going to take them
time to get the air traffic controlers back at full speed,
back at full capacity, even though the President has warned
that they will be docked pay if they aren't turning
up affective as off a couple of days ago. So
it is going to take a little bit of time
for things to get back in full swing that the
government should reopen properly tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
What's going on with Venezuela do you think do you
think an attack might be likely?

Speaker 15 (19:43):
I think this is posturing from the American President.

Speaker 14 (19:45):
I think what he's doing.

Speaker 15 (19:46):
You played that grab before talking about trying to essentially
ouse Maduro from Venezuela. I think that is what he's
trying to happen here. He is trying to make a
political move but using military might he took. He talks
about peace through strength, and that's what he's doing here.
I mean, you've got the USS gerald Ford moving down

(20:07):
into this region. They've been carrying out attacks on what
they say drug trafficking boats, some nineteen attacks that have
killed some seventy six people. They haven't really provided any evidence,
though the administration hasn't that these are actually drug trafficking boats.
But still you're seeing this huge posturing going on around
Venezuela and around those waters of Latin America, really trying

(20:29):
to send a message to the Venezuelan authorities and to
the Venezuelan people. But inside Venezuela you've got their own concerns.
I mean, Maduro is essentially trying accusing the Trump administration
of fabricating a crisis when he thinks there isn't one,
and trying to topple his own socialist government.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
You've got.

Speaker 15 (20:47):
Gorilla forces essentially arming up inside Venezuela. Because Venezuela's military
is not strong, it is underpaid, it has lower grade weapons,
out of date weaponry, so you've got Gorilla is now
essentially starting to try and arm themselves to the teeth
to prepare for the possibility that there might be some
sort of attack. I mean President Trump suggested there could

(21:09):
be a land action, a land move. Now what that is, Well,
he would probably need the approval of Congress to go
and actually carry that out, and would that then be
an active war. So you've got this political posturing, this
military posturing. But I think this is largely trying to
send a political message. He wants he wants government change
in Venezuela, and that's what he's trying to do.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Interesting. Hey, thank you very much. Jonathan has always look
after yourself. Jonathan Kurzley, US correspondent, nineteen away from five
c L. Hither can you give us a yis or no?
Was Andrew Costajainda's cousin. I don't know why did she
make a captain's call when she appointed him. I like
an answer that because she appointed a whole bunch of people.
And if you have a look at the appointments made
by the Justinda administration, they appointed a whole bunch of

(21:53):
people who kind of subscribe to the same worldview as
they are, which is just a lot of the kind
of like Richard Change. They wouldn't like the Richard Chambers thing.
Richard Chambers is like tough on bad guys, you know.
I mean, that's not their vibes. They're all about kindness.
And Andrew Costa was all about kindness as well. But
this is a lesson, isn't it. It's a lesson in sure,
you can go and appoint people because they think the

(22:13):
same as you, but maybe what you want to do
or do is just to point some people who are
actually good at their jobs. Hey, how about a bit
of meritocracy there. Now, what I'm really loving is that
basically every media outlet at the moment is carrying a
story that names the police officers who were brave enough
to challenge their bosses and get this investigation into Gevimcskimming done.

(22:34):
And it seems to me the real hero of all
of these officers and if I get a chance, I'll
run you through all of them. But the real hero
here's Officer m and it's understood to be Detective Superintendent
Kylie Shah, who's the director of Integrity and Conduct. What
happened is she got a call in mid September from
Andrew Costa asking if she knew where there were any
open investigations into Gevin mcskimming and it was probably because

(22:55):
he was up for the top job, and Costa was
just checking if everything was clear. So she went and
had a look and she saw in the database of
whatever that they used, she saw there was something, but
it hadn't been dealt with by proper processes. So she
warned Andrew Costa. She said to him, like, this hasn't
been done properly, and he was like, oh, I'm not
really sure why we're gonna fob her off right, And

(23:15):
so she got frustrated with the fact that she wasn't
being listened to, so she went to the IPCA herself. Now,
this is how the IPCA get gets This is how
this She is the reason it is where it is
today because she contacts the IPCA and then she has
a meeting with him on October eight. The next day,
October nine, the Public Service commission who were the people

(23:37):
who appoint you know, the police commissioner job, contacts the
IPCA asks if there are any complaints relating to any
of the applicants for the commissioner's job. The next day,
October ten, the IPCA chair emails Andrew Costa asking him
that police refer any complaints regarding MC skimming to them.
It was then that the woman's complaint. Only then that
the woman's complaint was referred by Officer M. Then an

(24:00):
unnamed deputy commissioner calls her and tells her Andrew cost
is not happy with you because the IPCA is now involved.
IPCA commends her for her moral courage and you can
see from that Costa big trouble, Big trouble. Seventeen away
from five.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Politics with Centric Credit. Check your customers and get payments.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Certady, it's fourteen away from five. Barry so Per, senior
political correspondent, is with us. Hello, Barry, good afternoon. So
Parliament cracked off with a debate here.

Speaker 5 (24:26):
Yes, well it wasn't really a debate. It was a
ministerial statement and it means that others are able to
reply to the minister and ask him questions. So it
was interesting to me is that there's never been any
love lost. You'll remember between Andrew Costa and Mark Mitchell.
You remember Mitchell, on taking offers, presented Costa with a

(24:49):
list of expectations and it was a very public list
which he didn't agree with the way the police were
heading under Labor. And Andrew Coster was called Cuddle's Coster
for good reason. He was soft. He was appointed by
de Sindbadern. The other candidate was Mike Clement. Everybody thought

(25:09):
that Mike Clement would get the job, and then out
of the blue Andrew Coster came from nowhere essentially and
became the commissioner. So today, in Parliament, making a statement
after the damning IPCA report, Mark Mitchell pointed the finger
directly at the former police Minister Andrew Coster.

Speaker 16 (25:27):
The matter when referred to the IPCA saw the then
police commissioner attempt to influence the nature and extent of
the ipca's investigation and its time frame. Others and police
perceived this as a clear attempt to ensure the investigation
did not impact Skimming's prospects of being appointed as his successor.

(25:49):
The behavior outlined in the report is utterly disgraceful. We
cannot forget that at the very core of this as
a woman who was severely let down by the previous
police executive and the system. On the sixth of November
twenty twenty four, Andrew Costra informed me that there was
an IPCA investigation into jevim at Skimming surrounding an affair

(26:13):
that he had had and that had soured. He informed
me that there was a female before the courts for
harassing at Skimming. The narrative I was presented was consistent
with the narrative highlighted in the IPCA report that mitt
Skimming was a victim. I want to stress that at
this stage this is all I or the government knew.

Speaker 5 (26:34):
You Imagine how you'd feel left in the dark if
that was the information that was presented to you. You
didn't know there was anything wrong with this.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Well.

Speaker 5 (26:44):
Following Mitchell was the former police minister, Labour's Ginny Anderson,
and then the Greens Tamotha Paul, who at one stage
talked about abolishing the police. You'll remember, you.

Speaker 17 (26:56):
Know, when a woman is brave enough to come forward
with serious allegations against a senior officer, she should be
treated with respect and have confidence that her complaint will
be investigated without fear or favor. That did not happen.
This was not just a failure of process. It was
a failure of leadership. When leadership fails, it damages the

(27:19):
morale within the organization and e Rhodes public confidence outside it.
Strong leadership is not only about management, It is about
setting an example of integrity, accountability and transparency.

Speaker 18 (27:32):
The way that these allegations were covered up is perhaps
the most disturbing part. They took a relationship between a
senior police official and a woman twenty years his junior,
where a clear power and balance existed and where there
was alleged abuse, and they charged her. They charged her,

(27:54):
they failed her.

Speaker 5 (27:57):
And it's true really when you look at that. But
it's interesting. I thought about other police commissioners who have
left the force under I guess it dented the credibility.
One was Peter Doone. Of course, he was accused of
approaching a police officer who had pulled over his friend's

(28:19):
car his girlfriend's car at a function. And then Mike
Bush will remember knew Louise Nicholas had raised concerns about
Wally homaher saying that the police should stick together in
the face of rape allegations, and didn't mention that when
he was appointed deputy Police commissioners.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
So you know, there have been.

Speaker 5 (28:39):
Other incidents, but nothing sah because this is this is
a systemic in the police at the top. By the
look of.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
It, Hey, I reckon label, we're feeling pretty pleased. It
hasn't it hasn't tumbled down. I mean, you know, after
there had to be a chance that after the capital
gains tax announcement that they would actually go down on
the polls.

Speaker 5 (28:57):
I've gone up, yeah, But you've got to remember with
capital I mean, there's a fair chunk of New Zealanders
that believe there should be a capital gains tax. But
you know, to me, they haven't explained it very well.
The Labor Party nevertheless.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
But what's important is they've nicked the votes from the Greens,
so the cannibalizing their own block.

Speaker 5 (29:15):
That's right and the center right block that are in
par now would still be able to lead. But look,
it really is the National Party. It is up point
six of a percent to thirty point two percent. They're
still behind Labor on thirty three point three percent. National
won't be happy with that, but like I've said on

(29:37):
many occasions, National inherited a dog in terms of the economy,
and it does take time to turn public opinion around
when it comes to dealing with an issue like that.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Okay, some very quickly, because I've got a huge amount
of time. But tell me what Winnie's up to.

Speaker 5 (29:52):
Well, look, the Labor Party is playing Winston Peters and
his so called attack on the Nation Party. Labor, in
its fight to regain the treasure adventures, is making a
meal out of Peter's accusing National of not turning the
economy around quickly enough and lambasting the idea of asset sales.
Do you want to hear what Chris hit concerned about?

Speaker 13 (30:15):
God here Winston Peters calls his explanations creative accounting of
the worst sort, and doesn't believe what he says on
asset sales.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Why should New Zealanders look?

Speaker 8 (30:23):
I think it's a pretty petty line from this member
on economics.

Speaker 19 (30:26):
Right, he's the guy that actually let the fire.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
He's the arsonist that put the economy on fire.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Now he's complaining.

Speaker 16 (30:33):
About the fire brigade putting it out again as literacy
on anything, economics as abysmal.

Speaker 5 (30:39):
He's going to get Pat. He's going to get Pat
all with And actually, what National is doing, I've noticed
is taking the criticisms by Winston Peters on the chin.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Yeah, that's probably the only thing you can do. Thanks
very much, Bary so for senior political correspondence. Seven away
from five. Hey, by the way, listen, a law passed
last night given counsels the power to bring in congestion
ar which means Auckland can do it. But I don't know.
Maybe as early as next to you. We're going to
talk to Morris Williamson about that shortly, just get the
lowdown on him. From that, just a heads up to
the South Island that Transpower has issued a grid emergency

(31:11):
because of the solar storm that's hitting the mainland. Are
they taking some South Island electricity transmission lines out of
service to prevent damage? Four away from five we need
to talk about the Cora Club. So my core club
membership ran out on the first of November, which is
eleven days ago, and I haven't renewed it, and then

(31:32):
it popped up on stuff this morning. And it's a
question about why are you paying eight hundred, eight hundred
and thirty four dollars a year eight hundred and thirty
four dollars a year, which is sixteen dollars a week.
By the way, I've done the numbers for you, so
you can have courri club membership when you don't even
get priority seating, and I came across well, actually I
don't have current membership, so that's why I wouldn't get

(31:53):
priority seating. But I came across this before it ran
out where what you do is you get like the
front part out of the plane is for the freaking flyers,
so you can make you can like if you get
them fast enough, you can get one of those seats.
But then there's the middle, like there's a chunk of seats,
like a good block like and still in the first
part of the plane that you have to pay fifteen
dollars for so you're paying you're paying this extraordinary amount

(32:14):
of money to belong to the club. And then you
have to pay fifteen dollars for your seat so you
can be in a good seat. That's just it's just rubbish,
isn't it. So anyway, I thought about this long and hard,
and I thought, in the end, the only reason because
the food is crap. Let's be honest about that. Like
the other day, I got there and I don't even
know what that was, so I didn't eat it. It
was rubbish. It would have been better if I went
to the shop outside. But the reason you're buying it

(32:35):
isn't it. Let's be honest about it. Is so that
you can go into a place, put your bag down. No,
it's going to be safe and go for a WII
and then come back and then help yourself to food.
But you'd be cheaper if you just like that's what
you're doing. You'd be cheaper if you just went to
the airport.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
Didn't that?

Speaker 2 (32:48):
I feel like we're getting ripped off. What do you think?
I'm not going to do it. That's it over for me.
Lance Gourdet with Us Next.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
Lived Died This Way.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
The only drive show you can truck to ask the questions,
get the answers, find a fact sack and give the analysis.
Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the
Power of Satellite Mobile News DOORGSDV Afternoon.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
The Police Minister has accused former Police Commissioner Andrew cost
of a cover up. Mark Mitchell says his office received
more than thirty emails with allegations against Chevin mcskimming by
a young woman, but he says Andrew Costa instructed ministerial
staff to forward those emails straight to Police National Headquarters,
with instructions that the police Minister wasn't to see them.

Speaker 16 (33:41):
I've never heard of a protocol like that been put
in place before, but and I think we can all
see that it was with the same object in mind,
and that was quite simply to protect given Mit Skimmons.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Andrew cost has been stood down from his current public
service job on full pay. Former police negotiator Lance bur
police negotiator Lance Burdette is with me, high Lance.

Speaker 9 (34:02):
Hi, Heather.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Cover up is a pretty big word. Does it look
like a cover up to you?

Speaker 9 (34:07):
Well, there something going on hither. I don't know what
it is. I know as much as everybody else what
I see at the moment. There is a number of
systemic failures throughout police where the systems have fallen over
and I can only put that down to a loss
of experienced staff. Following in the two eleven two thousand
FETE started, the police started doing something called volunteer retirement

(34:30):
and restructuring, and a lot of experienced staff left. Now,
if you look at the top echelon of the police,
excluding the Commissioner, who I might say is doing a
fantastic job of trying to get things right, they are
quite limited experience and perhaps not as well versed in

(34:52):
risk management as they could be. And so because of that,
it's just a lack of understanding of systems and processes.
You know, we're seeing it now starting to be exposed,
this whole lot of huge experience that that left the police.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
But it wasn't I mean, it's not systems falling over,
it's systems being pushed to the side by the top cop.
I mean he frustrated the processes himself, didn't he.

Speaker 9 (35:16):
Yeah, Well that's I mean, I can't say yes or no,
but that's what it looks like. But the thing I
come back to here that is you're talking about somebody
who was a Crown solicitor. Yeah, so he's a lawyer
and by all accounts are very good at that. So
I'm not sure what's happened there. Yes, the systems are
in place, but they haven't been used. That means it's
a systemic failure to use the systems.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Out of there, explain to me this O. It's take
andrecrosser out of it. There's an example where one of
the officers is sitting with Tanya Kuda and it is
saying to her, I need to speak to the woman
making these allegations and is constantly being told by Kuda
and another officer who were there, basically that she shouldn't.
How do you explain that?

Speaker 9 (35:55):
I can't. All I can say is that, well, there's
only two options, isn't there Well, there's three ignorance and
competence or something nefarious? Is it something nefarious? I don't know. Yeah,
I mean again again again, there needs to be see that.
This is the thing where there's lots of out there
at the moment, there's lots of reckons and lots of
people and lots of saying corruption. Well it's not it's not.
Well from what I can see, it's not corruption. It's

(36:17):
just a lack of experience. But if there is corruption,
it needs to be exposed. So we need to have
some form of external independent inquiry. I know it's going
to be another inquiry, But don't you think we need it, because.

Speaker 10 (36:27):
Yes, it has.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
What would it do differently from the IPCA.

Speaker 9 (36:34):
Well, it wouldn't be limited. It would be unlimited in
what it can do.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Nowgregation here lance where we have the police, got members
of the police go in and talk to all of
these senior officers and find out why they were doing this.

Speaker 9 (36:49):
That's a good start. But that's the own institution dealing
with the own institution. Now you got to think that
hither when when when I send a file as an
attached inspector off to the Crowns, they are relying on
doing a prosecution based on the information I provide. The
IPCA is very similar. Yes, they do a lot of
work themselves, and they do a lot of interviews themselves.

(37:11):
But when you have somebody who is outside of everything
and has some form of leverage to say, you know,
someone like perhaps the Serious Fraud Office, who you must
answer their questions, right, So it needs something like that
where you're required to if you don't answer and mars
to them. Honestly, there are severe reposci.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Because this is the question that we have. This is
the debate. Is Andrew Costa a bad guy? Or was
he just bad at his job? And unless you actually
investigate that, you will not know.

Speaker 7 (37:40):
That's it.

Speaker 9 (37:41):
That's exactly right. Look, I have worked with him, I
previously held him in high regard. I nothing's changed that
with his obligations and his interactions with me. He's somebody
who's a forward thinker, who's somebody who's very inclusive and
has work However, something has happened, what is it and
we're all just guessing what's happening. Needs to have somebody

(38:02):
with this robust ability to come in and go, right,
let's see what's happened in including perhaps some of the
members of Parliament and including you know, make it.

Speaker 7 (38:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (38:13):
I don't want to say, you know, a formal Crown investigation,
but it certainly needs to be something that's robust the
confidence and police would have taken a hit to restore
it is to bring out and expose what's happened, and that,
from what I can see, is what the current commissioner
is trying to do.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yeah, Lance, listen, thank you. I appreciate your expertise there,
Lance Butt, former police negotiator.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Ever dup out right?

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Congestion charging maybe coming to a motorway near you. The
government bill that allows for congestion charges has passed its
third reading in Parliament and councils can now propose schemes
to charge drivers for driving on certain busy roads at
certain times, subject to approval by the Transport Minister. Morris
Williamson is an Auckland councilor and with us now hey Morris, Hi,
Heather Aukland is going to be the first one to
do it. How soon?

Speaker 20 (38:58):
Well, the first thing you need to know when you
read the legislation, it says it comes into effect on
the anniversary of the royal assent. So it can't be
for we haven't had the royal assent yet because only
passed last night. When the Governor General signs it, probably,
let's assume later this week or next week. The bill
can't come into effect for another year after that, which
is just after the election surprise, surprise, next year.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
But then you probably need the time, don't you, to
actually set up more infrastructure and so on.

Speaker 20 (39:26):
Well, no, from that point on you've got to begin
a long process of public consultation, setting up a board.
I'll make the wild prediction now you will not see
an operational congestion charging regime for a minimum of at
least three years from now, and I think more like
four years from now.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Oh well that's a bummer. I mean, surely I would
think that we need this sooner rather than later. What
do you think.

Speaker 20 (39:52):
While there's a lot of opposition, A lot of counselors
at Auckland Council don't agree with it and don't want it.
I'm a big fan because I've seen elsewhere in the
world the impact it's had in Manhattan and New York.
They've only had it running for the course of a
year or so, it's dramatically reduced congestion, dramatically improved travel times,
and it means that people did start to begin to

(40:14):
choose other options, traveling at a different time of day,
or using public transport, or in some cases not even
needing to make the trip. But look, time is money,
and if you're a tradee're charging yourself out at eighty
dollars an hour and you're stuck for an hour in congestion,
would you be happy to pay, say five bucks and
get through there in twenty minutes time rather than an hour.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Yep, absolutely, Marris, Thank you as always, you just speak
with such common sense. Marris Williamson Auckland councilor right, let's
get to Sue chetwyn on the Costco opening in Drury,
south of Auckland next quarter past. Tell you what I'm
getting a lot of texts from police officers. Hither it's
corruption of process. I'm an ex police here, Mary Hither,
lancebur Debts Lunsber debts saying systems to blame what the

(40:57):
actual I used to work at police. This is not surprising.
Own people have made self centered decisions hither. I'm tired
of excuses like this. His statement about experience causing this
is rubbish. It's about protecting someone and that is all
it is. I think though, to be fair to Lance,
I think he has actually hit the issue on the head,
hasn't he? Which is that we actually, I hate to
say this, but we do need another investigation. So we've

(41:18):
kind of got the bare bones of it from the IPCA.
But what I now want to know is why did
they do it? Was their collusion? Should someone be charged?
Matthew Haig, who's a lawyer, is going to be with
us actually on the subject in twenty minutes. It's eighteen
past five now it is official. Costco is bringing its
second New Zealand store. Site's going to be in the
new Drury Town Center development, which is about thirty k's
south of Auckland. Sue Chetwin is the chair of the

(41:40):
Gross Reaction Group and with us, Hey, Sue higher, should
we expect it to do the same thing it's done
in West Auckland and drive down prices and the other
supermarkets in the area.

Speaker 21 (41:50):
Look, I imagine that that will happen and that will
be great for shoppers who choose to Shoffen and Drury
and South of Auckland. But I don't think it's going
to be a game changer for supermarket shopping generally. I
mean Costco is a very sort of specific way of shopping.

(42:11):
You become a member. They don't have lots of supermarkets,
but they do offer really large discount so got on them.
I suppose one of the things that you could take
from this is that Costco is very large operator. You know,
they're there to make profits. They think that they can
be made in New Zealand. So it would be really
good if a third or fourth operator thought like that,

(42:34):
but was willing to have a few more super markets
so more people could benefit.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
The difference between this Costco and the Costco that they've
got west of Auckland is that this one's going to
be able to sell booze because of course they've got
the weird thing happening in West Auckland. How much cheaper
is their booze offering? Do you know?

Speaker 21 (42:50):
Look, I don't know, but I imagine, you know, that's
a very important part of you know, the geopolies sales,
you know, foods, stuffs and Woolworths, so it will be
significant I imagine for Costco.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Do you think that other supermarkets are pleased about this
or not terribly?

Speaker 21 (43:11):
Look, I imagine you know that it's the sort of
competition that they might want to have because it is
only one another one new store. Ye say, it's not
you know, it's not a competitor coming in and saying
they're going to open in every town and city in
the country. I mean, you know, they're grade operators, but

(43:32):
they're not the one that's going to shift the dial.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Okay, Hey, Sue, it's very good to talk to you.
Thank you very much, appreciate your time. That Sue Chetwin
Grocery Action Group chair. Hither that last bloke that'll be
Morris Williamson's commentary on the congestion charge, trades and travel
time and being willing to pay it doesn't work. We
don't charge for our travel time regards to us being
early or late. We just end up having to pay
the congestion charge either way and still get to work
at seven am normal time. Really though, because that's only

(43:57):
if you're working on one site. I get it if
you just get up a bit early, get to your site,
work there all day, go home. But if you're a
sparky or a plumber going from site to site to
site to site to site, I'm sure you want to
get there faster, wouldn't you? Way you can make more
dough in a day. Five to twenty one.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
The day's newspeakers talk to Heather first, Heather Duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand and the power of satellite
mobile new saw, said me.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Heather, Come on, may trades charge for mileage, Heather. All
the trades I deal with invoice me for travel to
the job that's from Francis Hither. That's rubbish. Trades don't
charge for travel time. I live in Trau and Laser
Plumbing charge me one hundred and five dollars to come
from Petaruu.

Speaker 7 (44:34):
Me you go.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Five twenty three. Listen. As much as I love that
the police are going to finally roll out that roadside
drug testing, let's be honest. This is not a game
changer a I mean, this is not going to drastically
reduce the number of deaths on our road or suddenly
free us of druggies getting behind the wheel while they're
high because of the numbers. Let me give you two
numbers that are important here. The first one is fifty thousand.
That is how many tests the police are gonna do

(44:58):
roadside in the space of e Fifty thousand drug tests
is tiny. Police do four point two million alcohol breath
tests in a year. That's how many they did last year. Right,
fifty thousand drug tests is about one point two percent
of what they're doing alcohol wise. It's just not gonna
make a difference. The next number is five minutes. That

(45:19):
is how long you're gonna have to wait when you're
pulled over for a drug test. Now, that is a
long time to be sitting in a line of cars
on the side of the road to see where for
the police to see whether you're high or not. The
alcohol test takes what thirty If it takes thirty seconds,
that's a long time, isn't it. So the police can
hardly pull over that many drivers over at a time
before they've got enormous cues. So again, it just takes
too long to do this on mass I suspect that

(45:40):
this is going to be used in the same way
that low level drug charges are used, which is that
for the most part, they don't get rolled out unless
the police want to find a reason to take a
bad guy and to see somebody, they're like, I got
to get that guy out of the community, it into
the jail. Let's use a low level drug charge. It
feels like it's going to be used in the same way,
or maybe they'll use it when it's pretty clear they've

(46:01):
pulled over a car and it's got a car load
of gang members and then they've all got red eyes
and a pong's come out and they've clearly been hot boxing,
then they'll use it again. I still think, despite the
fact that I'm saying to you it's not going to
make a huge difference, I still think it's a good idea,
even just for the deterrence aspect, because the thing is
it might not be used a lot, but you never
know if it might be used on you. And I

(46:21):
know for a fact that there are a bunch of
stoners right now who are already hitting the news websites
and checking what the Drug Foundation's saying on their website
because they're schooling themselves out up because they're panicking and
having the druggies panic is enough for me. Hopefully it'll
keep a few drongos off the road while they're high,
just because they're scared. Ever do for see Allen Heather
on the Coru Club. You are so on point. What

(46:43):
is up with the food and the Koru lounge? The
weird combos they use to make raps is beyond crazy.
Raps are dry a the one with a pumpkin in it.
You're like, where's your ali? Just a little bit of
tangy sauce would be good with this dry ass wrap.
Certainly not catering for the Remember when they did the
plant based chicken Yep, yep, do hither. I've noticed there's

(47:05):
no blue vein cheese in the last few years because
they're doing cost saving yep, hither. I made the same
decision on the Corro. I've been a core member for
fifteen years. I can't justify that increase. Actually, that's very
salient point. So what's happened is not only is it expensive,
but it's gone up right, So it's now eight hundred
and thirty four dollars for a year long membership. That's
a twenty percent increase that happened last year and then,

(47:25):
by the way, you have to pay a two hundred
and fifty five dollars joining fee if you haven't already joined.
So that's two hundred and fiftylus eight hundred and thirty four.
Like you're over one thousand dollars now. So basically what
it means is if I decide to let this rap
it lapse, which I now have, like I'm not going
to pay that much money for dry raps, I'm going
to let it lap, which means that my barrier to

(47:47):
entry is now huge. Now if I want to do
it in five years, I have to pay more than
one thousand dollars. Hell no, hell no, for all of
that nonsense that I don't get. That means this is
the first time in twenty years or something that I'm
not going to be a core member. I'm not sad
about it. Do you remember the good days, which weren't
that long ago, where you go in and there big newspapers.
I don't have those anymore. Or when you go and

(48:08):
you'd get a coffee, they'll make you a love a
little flat white you could walk to the plane with. No,
they don't know to sustain at lady, they don't do that.
So what are you getting? Like I said, all you're
getting is someway to put your bag down and go
and do a Wii without a que So there's a
lot of money to pay for that privilege, isn't it anyway?
More on Jevan mcskimming.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Next the name you trust to get the answers you need,
it's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage.
Like no one else us talk they'd be.

Speaker 22 (48:44):
You don't.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Don Braid is main freight is going to be with
us after six o'clock. Had a bit of a tough
time in the six months dropped profit has dropped almost
twenty percent, so who's going to talk us through? They're
also always happy to hear Don take on what's going
on with the economy because he's got a really good
view of it. So as I say, after six o'clock,
huddle standing by, it's twenty four away from six right
now now. One of the questions today over the Jevin

(49:10):
Mcskimming Andrew Costa affair is whether there will be charges
against laid against any of these police officers. The Police
Minister and the current Police Commissioner, Richard Chambers are calling
it a cover up?

Speaker 3 (49:20):
Was there a cover up?

Speaker 7 (49:23):
We look current.

Speaker 10 (49:24):
The report speaks for itself, and you know, I know
that people will interpret it. I've had a lot of
messages from my car.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
How do you interpret select?

Speaker 3 (49:33):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (49:33):
Look, I think absolutely it is right.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
That's obviously an interview from Morning Report this Morning on
Radio and New Zealand. Matthew Haig is a lawyer and
a former police officer and with us Now Home. Matthew,
do you think it's a cover up?

Speaker 23 (49:45):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Is that like a legal term or is that just
a vibe?

Speaker 24 (49:50):
No?

Speaker 23 (49:51):
I think it's more than a vibe. I think this
comprehensive report makes very clear that the senior executive of
our police sought to minimize of we'd lie criminal liability
because of a commissioner appointment process which was completely inappropriate.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Does intent matter here? I mean, does it make a
difference if Andrew Coster was thought that the woman was
telling lies and he was trying to protect what he
thought was a good officer. Is that still a cover I.

Speaker 23 (50:17):
Think yes it is, And I think intent matters for
two reasons. One is what he touched on before, which
is is there any criminal liability here? And the second
is what we might what we see is corruption. Some
people might see corruption as the stereotypical police accepting a bribe,
but corruption is much wider than that, and there's something
called noble course corruption, which I think is this, in

(50:37):
my opinion, is a good example.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Of what's noble cause corruption.

Speaker 23 (50:41):
So noble course corruption is I think what the New
Zealand plice are at Morriskov, which is they do the
wrong thing for the right reason. And the vast majority
of the men and woman and our police do the
right thing for the right reason. But it's tempting sometimes
to take shortcuts to do things and not quite the
right way for what they see as the greater reason.
But as we seen in this case, that leads to

(51:02):
an undermining and trust in the place and really bad
results for everyone.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Are there charges that can be laid as a result
of noble cause corruption.

Speaker 23 (51:10):
No, But what I think Commissioner Will, former Commissioner Costa
and some others should be concerned about is potentially charges
of perverting the course of justice. The report doesn't make
any conclusions, and I don't have any conclusions on legal liability,
but if someone improperly seeks to influence a criminal investigation,
which in my opinion, the report clearly says Deputy Commissioner

(51:34):
Terror and Commissioner Costa did maybe in their minds for
the right reasons, and there could be that criminal liability there.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Okay, do we need further investigations?

Speaker 23 (51:45):
I think it's very likely there will be an investigation now,
and that would have started probably when the IPSA released
their draft report to the New Zealand place.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
And who will be running that investigation?

Speaker 23 (51:56):
It's a good question because normally I like to say
the police, but of course in this case the highest
levels the investigation is into the police. I think the
only lucky thing here is that there has been a
significant change in the Peace Executive and to the current
Commissioner's credit, he's been incredibly outspoken, perhaps unusually so for
in his condemnation of this matter.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Yeah so, Lance Boudette suggested perhaps the Serious Fraud Office
would be would they be.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
The right ones?

Speaker 23 (52:23):
No? In my opinion, no, I think the Serious Fraud
Office do deal with serious corruption, but they tend to
be sort of more white collar financial crime. That's not
to say they can't. I just think it's a tough question.
I think the New Zealand place should technically be doing it,
but they should probably appoint all kinds of independent expert
investigators to do the work.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
I see. Okay, Now do you find it odd that
this has been released? The IPCA report has been released,
and Richard Chambers has had some heads up in some
ability to read it, you know, the couple of weeks beforehand,
and yet no follow up investigations have yet been announced.
Or should we just be a patient?

Speaker 23 (53:01):
I think I'm not surprised they haven't been announced, but
I think it's highly likely they will have started, or
at least they will be in the process of starting.
I don't think you can read that report and come
away feeling satisfied that there may not be criminal liability
that lest needs to be investigated, because that's not the
job of the IPCAA. The IPCAA is conduct. It's not

(53:22):
criminal investigations that has yet to be concluded.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Chances of charges being late, I don't know.

Speaker 23 (53:30):
Sorry, It's a unique situation, you know, honestly, maybe unlikely
but possible, but even unlikely but possible in these circumstances,
as a pretty extraordinary state of affairs.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
More serious or less serious than the Louise Nicholas case.

Speaker 23 (53:44):
I think it's hard to compare the two because you're
dealing with women who have had incredibly horrific things happen
to them. I think they're worse in different ways. The
Louise Nicholas case it went to the high levels of
police leadership, but that's right as I when we're not
to the police executive and Wellington at this level, whereas
this case, it's just I can't understand how these senior, experience,

(54:07):
trusted leaders thought this would withstand scrutiny.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Yeah, hey, thank you, Matthew. It's good to talk to
you as always. Matthew Hayge a lawyer and former police officer.
Nineteen away from six.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find your
one of a kind.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
On the Huddle this evening we have Jack Tame, host
of Q and A Saturday Mornings on Newstalks, the'd Be,
and David Ferrer of Kiwi Blog and also a poster
for Caurier. Hello you two, Jack. It seems to be
that another investigation is not likely but necessary. What do
you think?

Speaker 24 (54:37):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean, first of all, Matthew outstanding, like
absolutely hit the nail on the head there. I think
he's totally right in the Commission Chambers has been right
to be super outspoken about this and when it comes
to police's reputation, maximum transparency is in the institution's interests, right,

(54:57):
It is in the interests of police to have every
bit of transparency. Now, every investigation is necessary in order
to regain the trust of the public which will have
been lost through.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
This whole process.

Speaker 24 (55:09):
And judging from the Commission's comments over the last twenty
four hours, you can imagine he's the sort of person
who would probably support that.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Yeah, is there any way David, that they can that
there could not be an investigation? I mean it seems
to me like it is an absolute necessity.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
I think it is.

Speaker 13 (55:25):
Where it ends up, we don't know, but there is
clearly potential criminal offending there. I mean, when you look
at this, so much you could talk about, but just
the fact we've learnt that the Commissioner instructed the private
sexies and the Minister's offer us to hide from the
Minister and the Minister's other start any emails about mixciving.

(55:47):
Now they knew he was applying for Commissioner, the Minister
and the PM appoint the commissioner to actually actively be
hiding reputational emails from the minister by instructing his own
starts not to show them.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Even if you believe that he thinks he's doing the
right thing and stopping some like in his mind, maybe
some natty x from ruining this guy's career. Even if
you think that you're doing the right thing, it is
the wrong thing to hide. It isn't it.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
Oh?

Speaker 24 (56:16):
Absolutely?

Speaker 13 (56:17):
And here's what's shocking. It wasn't one or two bad
apples implicated for really bad decision making sure he's on
There is the commissioner, three deeply commissioners and two assistant commissioners.
Six are probably the top Nllie police officers at the time,
and none of.

Speaker 24 (56:35):
Them said, hey, wait a sec, maybe we shouldn't just
like listen.

Speaker 13 (56:39):
To one side of this, Maybe we should investigate him
find out the fact.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
That's what's astonishing.

Speaker 13 (56:45):
Don't blame it all on Costa that there were three
deep please, two assistants and the commissioner all applied appalling judgment.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Yeah too, right now, Jack, what do you reckon? Do
you reckon Andrew Costa did it because he's a bad
guy or do you think he did it because he's
just bad at his job and displayed some very bad judgment.

Speaker 24 (57:04):
I have absolutely no idea, and I think it's interesting
that he's at the center of all of this, given
he was such a politically divisive figure when he was commissioner.
You know, he had a huge levels of support, was
promoted at quite a young age and was a sort
of new thing, and then obviously fell out of political support.
But clearly the fact that this report has come from
the Independent Police Conduct Authority is absolutely vital. This isn't

(57:28):
a politically motivated report. I mean that the clue is
in the name they are independent. That being said, I
mean I think it's totally untenable for him to continue
in his current position. I just hope that when a
deal is negotiated or whatever is decided, and it may
have already been decided today, that we hear from Andrew Costa.
I think it's really really important that we actually understand

(57:50):
from his perspective exactly what's gone down. So I hope
that if the deal is reached, it doesn't include some
all encompassing gag order that means he doesn't ever make
par but comments about it I think the public deserved
to hear from him.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
You're right and you should absolutely not get a payout.
We'll take a break. Come back to you guys in
a tip.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Quarter two The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty,
the Global Leader and Luxury real Estate.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Right, you're back with the Huddle. David Pharaoh, Jack Tame,
David Labor can probably take heart, can't it that its
voters held up and it's actually gone up despite the
capital gains tax policy announcement.

Speaker 13 (58:24):
Yeh, Look, if you're a party, gain up's always good
than the polls after policy. Really having said that they'd
rather they went up at the expense of national than
the Greens, because obviously one grows the center left vote
and one doesn't. But even between that to one side,
if your Laby, you'd rather you have that two extra
percent than the Greens have it, Jack.

Speaker 24 (58:45):
I mean, just think about every other time they try
to capital gains tacks and it's effectively tanked their campaigns.
I think that policy was very, very deliberately designed to
upset the fewest voters possible. They've managed to launch it
and hasn't totally tanked them. Their votes held about the same.
I reckon they will chalk this up as a significant
policy victory. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
I would say so as well, David, because I mean
what it's done is it's managed to kind of pulling
that because they do want to increase themselves within the
left block, and there was no way that they were
going to increase They weren't going to increase the block itself,
were they. So actually, all things considered, this is about
the best they could hope for.

Speaker 13 (59:22):
I won't quite go there.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
I've a very early day.

Speaker 13 (59:25):
People just know, okay only applies to property. I think
when you see a real campaign launched against him, there
is going to be one pointing out that taxes you
for inflation that has not real gains its nominal I
think then you may find it starts to go the
other way. For I think New Zealanders believe in fairness,

(59:45):
and I don't think that people will see it fear
that you tax people just for.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Infort David, is this campaign going to be launched by
the Taxpayers Union rather than the National Party.

Speaker 13 (59:55):
I have no knowledge of what tax what Necual Party
is going to do, because the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
National Party seems incapable of running a campaign against it.
At the moment, they've been weirdly mute on.

Speaker 13 (01:00:06):
It, probably, But yeah, I don't know what Nationals seeing.
But yes, I'm almost certain the Tax Riders Union will
of course be campaigning against a new increased tax, especially
one that taxes inflation.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
That's their job. Well.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
See, now this is a good point from from David,
isn't it, Jack, Because once that campaign gets up and running,
labor should fall back in the poll.

Speaker 24 (01:00:29):
Well yeah, maybe it's just just just you know, I mean,
I think it's just been so carefully, so meticulously engineered
that they are just trying to hold off attacks from
the left and hold off the attacks from the right,
and try and hold the central ground. I'm sure that
once we get a little closer to the election, both
the Tax page Union and National and Act and maybe

(01:00:52):
even New Zealand First are going to sharpen the spears
a little bit and attacking the policy. So yeah, I
don't think we can.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
I don't think we.

Speaker 22 (01:00:59):
Can write it off.

Speaker 24 (01:00:59):
Yet, compared to previous launchers of a capital gains tax,
you would have to say that labor support is holding
up better than it has on the multi Yes, yes,
and it's extremely low bar.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Now, Jack, would you rather the council reseal your road
with chip seal or asphelt given chip seal as a
whole lot cheaper.

Speaker 24 (01:01:22):
Do you know what I want? I want to I
want more for less, so I want to pay the
same rates.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
But I want my road to have nice ash felt.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Are you getting as felt on your road because there's
a lot of roads.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 24 (01:01:34):
No, I've got I've got the old chip seal. And
the thing that annoys me more than the ash felt
versus chip seal is I've still got like heaps of
really old telephone lines everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Gets it to the front of the villa.

Speaker 24 (01:01:46):
Ah, it's a bit of a honestly, it's like it
feels like you're sort of like a developing country at times.
Like I look at some of these lines and I'm like,
there's not even leading anywhere. It's flopping around in the wind.
It's a total anyway, So I would, I would. That
would be my number one priority when it comes to
street a stead.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
What have you got, David? Have you got? Have you
got asphelt or chip seal and lines up or lines down?

Speaker 13 (01:02:06):
Ash for oulfhand But lines are up, but lot chip seal.
It's not't just slightly cheaper, it's natively cheaper.

Speaker 9 (01:02:13):
So I am of the.

Speaker 13 (01:02:14):
View that you should be used yet because look of rates,
we're getting up tour three percent maybe, but rates bring
out ten or twenty percent. You have to, you know,
do the mustive that Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Is a member of the taxpayers Union. It's really important
to understand that he's just tight.

Speaker 24 (01:02:31):
As can we Can we how about this for a compromise?
Can we this is really going to wind you up?
Can we have chip seal for the road, but tar
seal for my bike lane?

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (01:02:44):
Oh you know what that just that I have announced today?

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
You bus killed me Jack, But I can understand it
because I don't want you to die when you're on
your bike. Hey guys, thank you very much. Appreciate it.
David Farrer, Jack tamer Huddle. This evening ate away from.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Six, It's the Heather Dupless Allen Drive Full Show podcast
on my Art Radio powered by News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
B UH five Away from six. Listen. If you're worried
about the debt, you are not gonna love what I'm
about to tell you. The country's overdue tax debt has
hit nine point three billion dollars for the year to June.
It is now growing faster than both the economy and
the government's tax take. Jane Tibschraney as The Herald's Wellington

(01:03:28):
Business I need to be clear when I talk about
the overde It's not like the money that we as
a country out like. It's not our debt. It's not
the crown debt. It's debt that is owed in the
country to the IID Anyway, Jane tips Trainey is going
to be with us after half pus six and talk
us through that.

Speaker 7 (01:03:43):
Here.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
The chip seal is worse than potholes because you get
stone chips everywhere. Heather, we were in a transport shuttle
when the subject of the capital gains tax came up.
Every person in the shuttle, apart from myself and my partner,
were enthusiastically supportive of a capital tax. We were shocked.
I'm shocked. I'm so shocked. I choose not to believe you.
I still think, well, you wait for it. Listen, mark

(01:04:04):
my words, mark my words, and we will take a
bet on it. Nobody in this country can run a
campaign as well as the guys who are behind. Because
I know who run the campaigns for the tax Capital,
for the Taxpayer's Union, various other like affiliated outfits. Those
guys run campaigns like you wouldn't believe. When they get
started on the capital games, tax labor is going to

(01:04:25):
cry and their voter is going to come back. Mark
my words, what sch it happened? We will talk then
you're not going to like it so much. Listen to this.
By the way, on the text sheet, I am still
getting texts from people who are getting money from the
ID on account of what we told you on Monday.
Hither I did the IID claim your unclaimed money thingy
this morning that you recommended. My full name showed up
with eight thousand, nine hundred and ninety two dollars owing

(01:04:49):
from the B and Z. Now the problem is I've
never banked with the B and Z. However, my father's
personal and company accounts were with the B and Z,
and he was known to do odd things. Like a
year or two ago, I had to do some insurance stuff,
only to discover I had a policy that he took
out in the sixties for me, and it had a
cash out of four thousand dollars. So I took it.
Of course, So if the B and Z payout happens.

(01:05:10):
I'm not going to pay you ten percent, renegging on
the deal, Michael, it was my deal. I'm not going
to pay you ten percent. However, I will take you
and your husband to the boozer heads up. It could
take three months, mate. I'm up for that. Eighty nine
hundred and ninety two dollars. There's a lot of money
to be spent at the boozer.

Speaker 22 (01:05:25):
But also old idea. I mean, no one's paying their
tax debt to them and now we're taking all their
money off.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
That's true, right, Like I said, aren't we doing a
lot for that cost of living crisis. I'm so pleased
with this show. We deserve an award for it. Anyway.
Don Bray mainfreight with us next on what's going on
with the economy, and also his Business News Talk ZB.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Keeping track of where the money is flowing, the Business
Hour with Hand, the Duplic Hour, and Mare's Motor Vehicle Insurance,
Your Futures in Good Hands, New Stork ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Even in coming up in the next hour, Milkit Asset
Management on what the markets will do when the US
government shutdown finally ends. Genative Trainee on the outstanding debt
that is growing to the ID and Gavin Gray is
in the UK for US at seven past six. Now
it's another tough six months for Main Freight. The logistics
business has posted a net profit after tax of ninety
three million dollars for the half year. That's down eighteen

(01:06:25):
and a half percent, and the company's operations in the
Americas have performed poorly, making a loss of two point
three million dollars. Don Braid is Main Freight's group managing director.
Hey Don, Hi, Heather, how are you and very well?
Thank you? So what are the challenges you've been facing here?

Speaker 7 (01:06:41):
Oh? All sorts are you know, we had had a
tough start to the year in the first quarter and
that result that we've produced for the half year is
actually better than what we saw in the first quarter
that we announced at the AGM. So it's improving and
we certainly feel a lot more.

Speaker 25 (01:07:00):
Buoyant about what's in front of us and an amount
of market share gains, customers sending more with us around
the world, so we feel a bit more positive as
we head into the second six months.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
So do you think things are going to get better
from here? You seeing signs of that here we.

Speaker 7 (01:07:17):
Are definitely with established customers sending more, spending more with us,
and market share gains of of our own violation where
we're winning business across the network.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
What do you think is going on with our attitude
towards tariff so we largely ignoring it?

Speaker 7 (01:07:38):
Well, my advice, I had the opportunity to be in
the US in the last three weeks, and my advice
to some of those people New Zealanity exporters who were
complaining about the fifteen percent, wanting it to be ten percent,
The reality is it's fifteen Get on with it, Increase

(01:07:59):
your pricing a card, and that's the game you're going
to have to play.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Have they followed your advice.

Speaker 7 (01:08:05):
I'm not sure. I'm not sure there should be well
advised to do that either, and I'm not sure it's
that easy. But I do think that we are overly
fixated on it and it is the way of the
world these days, so accept it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
And that hoarding that was going on don at the
start ahead of the tariff's kicking in, where people were
sending just a whole bunch out warehousing. It has that
now ended.

Speaker 7 (01:08:28):
And there's still plenty of stock around, but certainly. I
think what's happened overall is the nervousness of the tariff's situation.
There's some sort of sensibility to whatever the tariffs are
going to be. Even this last session that they've had
with China, they've settled on a set of tariffs for
the next twelve months. That's giving people some confidence. So

(01:08:50):
they're getting on and doing business, isn't now?

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
I mean, because you operate in various parts of the world,
it gives you a really great view of what is
going on in our economy. What are you seeing here
in New Zealand? How will we going?

Speaker 7 (01:09:00):
It's better and it's got better in certainly the last
couple of months, and you know, the dark depths of
winter have this definitely disappeared behind us, and we're seeing
our customers feeling more positive and sending more freight.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Yeah, that makes a big difference. Now do you have
a view on the debate about the Ports of Auckland
hiking the fees?

Speaker 7 (01:09:26):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
I do.

Speaker 7 (01:09:27):
Whether I want to share that with you, I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
But what I.

Speaker 7 (01:09:30):
Would urge the Ports of Auckland to do is that
this will be further imposts on exporters and importers. However,
I urge them to think about a multimodal approach rather
than just a trucking approach, and I think they're far
too geared towards moving freight on trucks rather than actually

(01:09:51):
using rail off the port and onto the port.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
Interesting don't always got to talk to you. Thank you
so much for your time, mate. That's Don Braid, Main
Freight Group Managing Director, eleven past six.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
D Heather due to see all.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
The guy who was running the BBC who has resigned
from the BBC has absolutely lost the plot. Like I
think so many people who've just been drinking the BBC's
kool aid. BBC people have. He's given interviews defending the BBC.
He reckons the criticism of the BEB for twisting Trump's
words is quote weaponization of criticisms. He's talked like in

(01:10:23):
this interview is talking about the BBC having enemies. Then
he says, I'm fiercely proud of this organization. There are
difficult times it goes through, but it just does good work.
That speaks. It speaks louder than any newspaper is Obviously,
what he's talking about is the Telegraph, because the Telegraph
are the ones who've been leading the charge on the
BBC any weaponization. We are the very best of what

(01:10:45):
I think we should be as a society and that
will never change. But no, I don't think so. If
the very best looks like sneering at somebody you don't
agree with, and they're making them say something so it
sounds like what you want them to have said rather
than what they actually said, I don't think that's the
very best anyway. Like this, everybody who's defending the BBC,
what they're doing is minimizing what the bee did, which
is bad. We'll talk to Gavin Gray when he's with

(01:11:07):
us in about half an hour's time, twelve past six.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
It's the Heather Duper Sell and Drive Full Show podcast
on my Heart Radio empowered by newstalk Zebie.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Now you know what even smart cars have done. Moments
right the beep at imaginary obstacles, they tell you jim
bag to fasten its seatbelt. That's so annoying, isn't it,
And they just strike you from parallel parking with the
chorus of warning alerts. Now, we can put up with
all of it as long as we have smart insurance.
I'm talking about MAS Motor Vehicle Insurance. When something goes wrong,
you can rely on MAZ to be there for you.
Whether it's a cracked windscreen, a fender bender, or a

(01:11:39):
full on collision. MAZ has you covered and their motor
Vehicle insurance comes with some pretty smart benefits. With MAS
comprehensive cover, you're gonna get your windscreen and your lost
key's replaced. It no excess. Plus, you have the freedom
to choose your own repairer, one that you trust. With
MAS Motor Vehicle Insurance, your future is in good hands.
So do the smart thing. Get in touch for a
no strings attached quote. Visit maths, dot co, do on

(01:12:01):
and Z cover terms and underwriting criteria.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
Apply, approaching the numbers and getting the results. Let's Heather
du Plessy Allen on the Business Hour with MAS Motor
Vehicle Insurance, your futures in good hands, used talks'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Can you please repeat the tax refund web address. It's
not a tax refund web address, it's an unclaimed money's thing.
So if somebody owed, for example Lois who sent me
a screen grab today of the two thousand dollars one
hundred and thirty four dollars that Amex owed her. It's
when some other business out there owes you money, it
goes to the IID pot after if they haven't been
able to track you down for five years, you go

(01:12:36):
and just so what you want to do is hit
the Google go i ird Unclaimed Money, and then follow
the links, put your name in and see if they
owe you some dollars. And what I want to know is,
now that I've repeated it for all the myriad texts
that are asking me for it, keep me posted on
how rich I'm making you, because I'll tell you what.
There's a thing with it that they've done studies about,
like what makes you feel happy and the things that

(01:12:58):
make you the happiest in the world is not when
you receive, but when you help others to receive. It's
like I'm just basically like Jesus for you and it
makes them very happy. So keep the text coming and
let me know. Seventeen past six, Jeremy Hutton mil Fit
Asset Management is with me. Hi, Jeremy, good evening, head
up now. We spoke to Don Braid not long ago.
Main freight share price has reacted well to that result.

Speaker 19 (01:13:18):
Today I am yeah, Main Freight share price is up
over six percent today, so I reacted pretty well. And
you know, I did listen to Don just before, and
he did mention that the first quarter was pretty tough
for them, but the second quarter was much improved and
then you know the outlook as well, what they commented
on is going to be stronger again still. So it
was a lot better than what the market was anticipating,

(01:13:40):
and it hence reacted pretty well.

Speaker 20 (01:13:42):
Now there can be a little.

Speaker 19 (01:13:43):
Bit of noise around main freight, you given it as
a very global business these days, and some of the
global news recently around you know, Tariff's global trade shipping
has been reasonably negative. But you know, the key thing
about Mainfreight to remember is that you know, the Australian
and the New Zealand divisions are a real house and
you know they continue to really drive the performance of
this business. And that was that was really strong again,

(01:14:05):
so investors would do well to remember that. But then
the other point that I found really interesting and and
he mentioned this as well as on the local New
Zealand data, is just you know, them seeing that their
customer volumes or same customer volumes are increasing versus last year.
You know, this is just a further indicator for me
that you know, the New Zealand recovery is underway, and
you know that more activity is happening, which is really good.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
Yeah, it is good. Now on the US, Jeremy, we
have the share market recovering a little bit this week,
haven't we with the government shutdown potentially ending.

Speaker 19 (01:14:35):
Yeah, global stock markets were a bit nervous last week
and then they wobbled, and you know, tech and AI
stocks they were leading the declines. And it was a
little bit odd to me. You wouldn't think that AI
companies that are most impacted by you know, a US
government shut down. It would be other sectors. But you know,
sometimes the market does sort of tend to find the
narrative that that that suits the move. But I would

(01:14:56):
just say it was a general risk off move last week,
and you know that's reversed about this week, and you
know gold that was up strongly again. This is seen
as now at risk on play by markets sort of
like bitcoin or you know, some of the racier tech stocks.
But there are still a few concerns out there.

Speaker 7 (01:15:12):
You know.

Speaker 19 (01:15:13):
You know, some of those AI companies have really high
valuations and then some of the data out of the
US has been a bit mixed. It has been second
tier data. But now with the shutdown ending, we should
get some of that high quality US data. We can
see how the economy is tracking there and into the
rest of the year.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
And is it normally the case that the performance of
markets is strong after a shutdown ending.

Speaker 19 (01:15:36):
Yeah, this is quite interesting. So you know, historical data,
it showed that, you know, we've had forty years of
US government shutdowns and since the been ending, and the
SMP five hundred is usually up on average two and
a half percent after one month of a shutdown ending,
and then after three months it's up over five percent,
So you know, regionably good historical basis there, and then

(01:16:00):
you know it could imply that the center early is
back on heading into the end of this year.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Good stuff. Hey, thanks very much, Jeremy, appreciate it. Jeremy Hutton,
Milford Asset Management's coming up twenty past six. I totally
forgot to say to talk to you about this earlier,
and about two hours ago I said I was going
to talk about it. So better late than never.

Speaker 7 (01:16:16):
Though.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
The question is whether the ministers knew when they appointed
Andrew Costa out of the police because they wanted to
get him out of the poll Police commissioner a job, right,
they wanted to get him out of it, so they
found him a sweet little gig, which was the Social
Investment Agency job. And when they did that, the question
is did they know what we know now that he'd
been doing this gigantic cover up in their words, that
he'd been doing this gigantic cover up to help help

(01:16:39):
out his mate, JEFFN mcskimming. It doesn't look like it
because the dates, the dates just don't suggest that they
would have known. So he was appointed to the Social
Investment Agency on the twenty fourth of September last year.
The complaints to the IPCA were only It was only
referred to the IPCA on the tenth of October. Now,
remember up to that point, and Costa is angry when

(01:17:03):
he finds out that it's been that the IPCA have
got wind of it, and that Officer m who's an
absolute legend, had been responsible for getting it through to
the IPCL and the tenth of October. He was cross
about it because up to that point he had probably
felt that he'd managed to keep a little on this thing.
So on the tenth of October it has escalated to
the IPCA, So I suspect that that's the first that

(01:17:23):
anybody And even then I think it'll be a while
before the police before ministers start becoming aware of things.
I don't think the ministers would because at that stage
it's just a smattering of officers who think something is
off here. Very unlikely it would have got to ministers.
So I think it starts escalating from tenth of October.
Even then it'll take a while for ministers to be
aware of it. But September twenty fourth is when he's appointed.

(01:17:45):
So no, I suspect he was appointed before anyone knew
anything really at that kind of a level six twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
One, whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics, it's
all on the business hour where the Heather Duper Clan
and mass motor Vehicle Insurance. Your futures in good hands.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
US talks be really quick. Update on that situation with
the Oyster farmers up north of Auckland. Water Care has
today made an immediate compensation payment of a million dollars
for the overflow the other day now six twenty four,
something that it feels to me like the business with
the Maori Party has not finished yet. So what's been
going on this week is that the two ousted MPs

(01:18:25):
haven't been at parliament right, the two that they kicked out,
they haven't come to work. But another two have been
missing as well, which is the two new ones, the
two Young Ones or Any Kaiper and Hana Raftimipi Clark.
Which means of the six MP's that there were in
the Maori Party, only two are turning up to Parliament
at the moment, which is the co leaders Debbie and Rahwarri.
But what makes it even weirder is both the Young
Ones or Any and Hana Rafati have posted on social

(01:18:48):
media some really weird cryptic messages. So Kuiper said today
the fight will continue, but for now rest is required.
I won't be long. I want us to come together
to meet to talk very soon. And then Mighty Clark said,
I've made the decision for our or hair of Horaki
Waikattle to hold the line. In a week's time, I
will speak. The question that people are now asking is
if these two are saying they're not saying anything for

(01:19:09):
a week and they're going to talk next week and
if they're not turning up to Parliament. Does this mean
that Debbie and Rawi have lost their support? Are Debbie
and Rawi basically on their own with what they're doing?
Six twenty five.

Speaker 24 (01:19:21):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
The Age of Toys might be over, but the Toy
Story franchise isn't. Pixar have released the first teaser trailer
for the fifth movie in the Toy Story series. Woody
and Buzz have fought Sid, the scary teenager, a deranged
toy collector, and an evil bear at a day care center,
but now they face their biggest threat technology, don't we all.

Speaker 6 (01:19:45):
Finally, there's the package for you.

Speaker 10 (01:19:49):
Thank you.

Speaker 13 (01:19:50):
Hi there, I'm Lilli Patt.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
Let's play now. This will make you feel old. Twenty
twenty five. This year is thirty years since the first
Toy Story came to cinemas. Thirty years. Tim Allan and
Tom Hanks are both coming back to voice their iconic roles,
and the role of Lily Pad will be Oscar nominee
Gretta Lee. Conan O'Brien will also appear as a toilet
training bot named Smarty Pans. And It's coming to Cinema's

(01:20:15):
June nineteenth next year. So you've already got something is
that the school holidays. The school holidays were around there
have already got a day planned. You're welcome because that
will be the winter holidays as well. That's the one
that's always rainy. You know how that is. That's really fun. Ah,
we all love that one little of the year. Everybody's
depressed and then it's school holidays and it rains and
you're trying to find things to do. You Native Trainey

(01:20:36):
is going to be with us next on what's going
on with the debt.

Speaker 16 (01:20:38):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
I don't know if you heard me say it earlier,
but the country's overdue tax debt has hit nine point
three billion dollars. There's a lot of money. It's growing
faster than the economy, growing faster than the government's tax take.
What do we do about it? She will talk us
through it shortly, news talks. There'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the business hour,
we've had the duplic alan and mass motor vehicle insurance,
Your futures in good hands, used talks, that'd bet here.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
The watercare hasn't paid anything we can rate payers have
paid the one million dollars. Well, it is a good
thing to remember that. Ultimately this is money coming out
of our pockets because Watercare stuffed up, So thanks very
much Watercare. Gavin Gray is going to be us out
of the UK shortly twenty five away from seven. Now.
As I was telling you, the country's overdue tax debt
has hit nine point three billion dollars for the year
to June and growing very fast. So the IDA is

(01:22:02):
chasing it and business liquidations are well up and Donative Trainee,
the heralds Wellington Business editor is with us. Hello, Jane Hiever,
How did it get so high? Is this a COVID
related problem?

Speaker 26 (01:22:13):
Yeah, look definitely. During the COVID period, in Land Revenue
focused on supporting businesses to access government support to get
through that period. But now it is it is well
and truly starting to crack down on businesses.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
For example, the number.

Speaker 26 (01:22:30):
Of audits it did rose by forty two percent in
the year to June. This helped the department collect an
extra four billion dollars of tax debt. That's the highest
amount since twenty eighteen. So the government has put more
money into inland revenue. That's somewhere it is spending more money,
and it wants to see a return on that investment.
You know, it wants to see the department collect up

(01:22:52):
unpaid taxes.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
Yeah, and how much of this is accelerating at the
rate that it is because of interest?

Speaker 26 (01:23:00):
You know, that's a good question, and I don't have
the answer to that. I did, however, earlier today speak
to an accountant from Baker Tily Staples Roadway and he
ran me through some of the different ways that businesses
are not complying with their tax obligations. So, for example,
he said, a common thing that was happening was, you know,
using trusts to divert income. You know, you pay income

(01:23:23):
goes into the trust and then you pay it to
beneficiaries you might be your family members and they have
lower tax rates or you know. ID was looking at
businesses that actually make their money in New Zealand, but
then somehow, you know, divert their their revenue so they
pay tax in other countries with lower tax rates. So
that's an issue for example, with the with the tech companies. Yeah,

(01:23:45):
you know, tradees, that's another one. People dealing in property.
He said that that's catching out a lot of people
because the property tax rules have changed so much. For example,
now businesses can't deduct depreciation as an expense on their buildings,
so so you know, there's there's all sorts of ways.
Property is still about one third of the audits that

(01:24:06):
the IID is doing is related to property and about
one third in relation to technical things, and then the
rest things like drug trade, you know, like the hidden
economy and fraud. So it's a pretty pretty broad picture there.

Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
Now, I mean I would imagine that as they continue
to chase it, we will continue to see business liquidations
going up.

Speaker 26 (01:24:28):
Yeah, yes, yes, I mean the number of applications and
then revenue filed in the past year for liquidations went
out by forty nine percent from the previous year, so
that is a big jump. The accountant I spoke to suggested,
you know, IID is, you know, pretty reasonable and good

(01:24:50):
to work with you if you if you front foot
the issue and try to fix it. But he said
in cases where that isn't the case, it's it's increasingly
you know, happy to pull the plug and try to
get the business liquidated.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
Yeah, bit of tough parenting. Hey, thank you very much
to know I appreciate it. Janative Trani The Herald's Wellington
Business Editor, twenty one away from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
Heather Duples, I want to talk to you about.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
Doc, But before we get to Doc, can I just
say that we didn't have a chance yesterday with the
GEVM MCS skimming thing just came at us. I did
want to mention that Simon Watts has said something that
I think does need to be said. He said, we
need to stop expecting the government to bail us out
if we want to keep buying batches right next to
the beach, even though we know about the climate change
and what it's doing to buying batches right next to
the beach. Basically, the point is the government the country

(01:25:34):
just doesn't have the money right We don't have the money.
We don't even have the money right now to build
the hospitals we need and hire the people we need.
So we absolutely do not have the money to bail
out people who are making terrible decisions about where they're
buying houses. And then he used a really great example
which I think kind of underscores what is going on him.
So he's pointed to a seafront road in the wider

(01:25:55):
Upper where the government has been asked to help pay
for the repairs and the upgrades, because the soil doesn't
have the money. So this particular road, and I could
hazard a guess at which part of the wided Uper
he's talking about here, But this road leads to a
settlement of eighty nine houses, right, so there's not even
one hundred hous's not even ninety houses. Eighty nine houses.
Half of them are batches, half of them are homes.
So if you look at that, then let's say there's

(01:26:17):
about forty five different households who live there on the regular,
and then it doubles over summer or when it, if
wided up even has a summer in this part of
the wided Upper. Anyway, the cost to fix that particular
road leading to forty five households who live there permanently
is one hundred million dollars. Now, if we're generous and
we say we include the batches, then we are talking

(01:26:39):
about a million dollars for every single one of them,
more than a million dollars for every single one of
the houses that are there. That's ridiculous, right. The taxpayer
shouldn't be paying for that, especially if I mean especially
if the council can't pay for it. So this is
the kind of thing that we're going to have to
start looking at and going, we can't keep can't we
can't keep paying for repairs because of the climate change.

(01:26:59):
In bailing you, You're just going to have to move
guys because it's literally going to be cheaper for us.
Isn't it to move them, get rid of the ours
or do whatever, do whatever to the land, turn it
into farming. I don't know, you'll probably end up paying
lease if you just move them away. Now, Doc, So
Doc has revealed today how much is going to cost
you to park at Aoraki Mount Cook National Park. If

(01:27:19):
you go there. It's going to be people are going
to flip out about this, and they really shouldn't. It's
going to be five dollars an hour, and then it's
going to be twenty five dollars a day maximum. So
you park there from the minute you hit five hours
from then on, it's basically cheap. If you are a
frequent visitor, like if you're going to go a lot
of times, you can buy an annual pass for sixty dollars.
If you're a local who lives in the Mackenzie district,

(01:27:40):
you can pass buy an annual pass, which is ten dollars,
which is incredibly generous of DOC to be doing that. Anyway,
they reckon this plus the punakaiki plus fran Joseph Frans Joseph,
the parking that they're doing in these three places will
raise just in the space of seven months that they're
doing a trial one point five million dollars, which I
think is fantastic. Now people are going to flip out
about that, you know, because we're tight, We'll descended from

(01:28:02):
the Scots, so we're going to flip out about a
twenty five dollar parking thing. Can I just point it
out that if you go and park in Central Auckland
at the Sky City right your maximum there is forty
eight dollars, So from where I'm sitting, twenty five bucks's
bargain eighteen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
Ever, it's to do with money.

Speaker 3 (01:28:19):
It matters to you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:21):
The Business Hour with Heather dup c Allen and Mass
Motor Vehicle Insurance, Your futures, Kim Good Hands News talk z'b.

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
By the way on the parking thing. As if I
just am making this case right on the parking thing.
So you're paying twenty five dollars if you're going to
go and park there at Mount Cook. But if you
go to the FIFA World Cup in North America, this
is news that's come out today next year, right, you
need to get ready to pay for your pay through
your nose for the parking because a general parking pass
for the July fourteen semi final in Dallas has been

(01:28:52):
listed today at one hundred and seventy five US dollars.
That's three hundred dollars. So you're going to get yourself
tickets to go to the game, and you're going to
family tickets to the go to the game, and that's
going to make you poor. And then you're going to
pay three hundred dollars to park just to go to
the game. Doc is looking cheap. Quarter to seven. Devin Gray,
UK correspondence with US. Hello, Gevin, II have so. Donald

(01:29:16):
Trump has said he has an obligation to sue the bebe.

Speaker 6 (01:29:19):
Yes, first time he's spoken since the whole row erupted
about his thoughts and the BBC documentary in which a
speech was edited together in such a way as to
make it look like he was trying to incite his
supporters into violence that the Capitol hell rites back in
January twenty twenty one, two bits of the speech, almost

(01:29:42):
an hour apart, edited together. He's now spoken on Fox
News and said that it had presented defrauded views of
what he said. His speech had been butchered, he said,
and effectively said, he now has this obligation to sue
and that deadline for the sewing of one billion pounds

(01:30:02):
two point three billion New Zealand dollars. It comes with
a deadline, and it's ten o'clock Friday evening hour time,
so it'll be Saturday mid morning your time for the
corporation to respond. And if the BBC doesn't respond, he
says he will start that litigation. Lots of people though,
looking at that threat of litigation and said, well, hang on.

(01:30:23):
One of the main plints in a court of lawries
was it readily available to view in America? And the
answer to that would appear to be no. But of
course that'll all be decided potentially in a court of law.
And also, you know, has it actually added any additional
damage to his reputation about that speech? And again the

(01:30:43):
BBC could be arguing no. That said, my sources are
saying they are inclined to offer some kind of amount
of money for damage to his reputation. But time will
tell and the clock is taking Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
Okay, So I thought the response that he was looking
for was just maybe an apology, like a public humiliation,
but he's he that will not suffice.

Speaker 6 (01:31:05):
He's asked for a retraction, an apology, and some money
to compensate him for the damage to his reputation. He
hasn't said how much that is, but the idea of
then that threat for a billion pounds is obviously giving
an indication of how much it thinks it's really damaged
that report.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
It sounds like he's going to lodge the lawsuit. If
he does in Florida, where the BBC is available, does
he have to prove not only that the BBC is available,
but that the show itself was like widely viewed.

Speaker 6 (01:31:35):
I think there is basically an idea that if it's
readily available and as you said, the BBC are there.
But it's interesting that he's lodged it with a very
small local firm of solicitors in Florida, as you said,
where the BBC is available. But it's this idea that
it was something that was massively seen in order to

(01:31:56):
have affected his reputation, and obviously I suppose was one
of the arguments. Will be well, any viewing would be
a damage, but the idea that it was widely seen
in America I think would be debated by the BBC.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
Yeah, fair enough. Now what's the latest with Andrew? All
the businesses have been wound up?

Speaker 6 (01:32:13):
Yes they are, and this I think is really another
nail in the coffin of his career, as it were,
and Andrew mount Baton Windsor. Incidentally, it's now hyphenated the
mount Baton Windsor thing. Andrew mount Batten Windsor is closing
down the pitch at Palace Global Limited. Now those who
have followed these things would know that he had sort of.

(01:32:35):
It was a startup competition where entrepreneurs could present their
ideas straight to potential investors, and this was one seen
as a possible stream of income for the former prince
when the King stopped find supporting him financially. However, when
he gave that disastrous interview to the BBC about his

(01:32:55):
friendship with the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, it was
put on ice. And now we know that he's actually
physically closing it the UK side of the business was
wound up in twenty twenty one. The international part, though,
has remained open, and a Dutch company, startup boot Camp,
had said it was actually interested in buying the business,
saying it was of immense value, but that however, unraveled

(01:33:18):
earlier this year. There is only about twenty one thousand
New Zealand dollars left at the end of March from
the account, significantly down on the previous year about half
a million New Zealand dollars, and so the winding up
looks like a more formal step than anything else, but
it is another huge dent to Prince Andrew or Andrew's reputation,
because this was something he really really cared about.

Speaker 2 (01:33:41):
Now, is Kistama really in trouble? Do you think?

Speaker 15 (01:33:44):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:33:45):
I think he is.

Speaker 6 (01:33:45):
The very fact now that this is making national news.
So in a couple of weeks time, we get the budget,
which is an outline of the fiscal and financial path
that this government is intending to take. And even though
it's a fortnight away, and even though we don't actually
know what's in it, there's been massive speculation the government
is going to have to basically renee on a promise

(01:34:07):
it made at the election, and that promise was it
would not put up taxes for what it described as
working people. So it got around it first time around
by putting extra taxes on employers. Those employers say, right, well,
we're not now going to take on any new staff
and it's costing us a lot to keep these stuff,
and so they're laying people off and the unemployment figures

(01:34:29):
going up. This government now looks like it's in a
bigger financial hole and therefore will have to put up taxes.
And there are now there's talk, admittedly not on camera,
not to in quote marks, but talk from lots of
different politicians about the fact his days are numbered. His
supporters are saying he will fight this to the end.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
Janey's interesting. Can't wait to see this player. Hey, thank
you very much. Gevin Devin Gray are UK correspondent. Hey,
how good has this? I don't know if you saw
this this morning or heard it on my show, but
how good is the news that hotels in Auckland are
going to be basically at capacity next week because Metallic
is happening on Wednesday at Eden Park. And then you've
got the World Indigenous People's Conference on education. It sounds

(01:35:10):
like a rip of that. One can't wait to go
to that one. But how good is that? And look,
I hate to bang on No, I don't about one
of my new favorite subjects, but the bed tax in Auckland.
Because who stands to benefit from these events the hotels.
So if you put a bed tax on right, the
hotels who benefit, you can then get more of these events,

(01:35:32):
therefore bringing in more people for the hotels, therefore funding more.
You see what we're doing here, Come on national, get
behind it. You need a bed tax in Auckland so
we can have more cool events, so we can all
get a little bit richer. Eight away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:35:46):
It's the heather too for see allan Drive full show
podcast on iHeartRadio powered by news dog ZBI.

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
Here that it sounds like Donald Trump is a grifter
of grifting, the BBC should tell them to go jump. Well,
I don't know, do you know what? That's not where
I would be placing my GF. I was the BBC?
Why was the BBC? I would stop thinking about telling
the Orange Guard to jarm. I would stop thinking about
how I could possibly minimize what it is that I've done.
I would stop thinking about how I can blame all
my enemies for their weaponization, and maybe I would think

(01:36:15):
about having a good old look at the BEB and maybe,
I don't know, fixing some of that bias that everybody
else can see, and maybe not putting words in people's mouth.
That's where I'd be putting my energy. But you know, look,
it's a long time since I've worked at television news,
so what do I know? Five away from seven now?
I like the Taxpayers Union because I hate paying tax

(01:36:35):
everybody does, right, So I love it when they call
out people for wasting money, which happens far too often.
But I think they've got it wrong this time because
they're calling they're calling out Auckland Council for spending money
on the Christmas decorations. I don't if you've seen about
Auckland Council, because Auckland Council's got the one million dollar
Christmas tree, right, which that flipped them out last year
at the Taxpayers Union, and then this year they've spent

(01:36:57):
another sixty h three hundred thousand dollars so on five
light pillars. So that kind of like it seems to
me like double the size of a human and quite
big things that they plunk up and down Queen Street
between Altia Center and Britomart, and it's got like a
Christmas theme and it lights up and it kind of
looks nice and they're modern and funky anyway, So they've
spent three hundy thoul on that, and the Taxpayers Union

(01:37:17):
of flipping out about it, and I think in this
case they've got it wrong because I think I think
we all know Central Auckland, like many of our center cities,
kind of sucks at the moment. Anything that makes it
look nicer is a good thing. Anything that draws in
the crowd so it chases out the rough sleeper is
just by displacement, I think is a good thing and
a little bit of love for the city center. And

(01:37:38):
you know they're going to use it for a few years.
It's not just a one year thing, So I'm okay
with that. I think it's money well spent as.

Speaker 22 (01:37:45):
What was that by Lord to play us out tonight?
So obviously Lord is coming to New Zealand and February.
She's playing at Spark Arena and The Wolf of Garna
in christ Church. The show's sold out, but if you
missed out on tickets. There's a limited number of new
tickets to both of those that are going to go
on sale tomorrow. I don't know where these magic tickets
of Magically come out on that, but they have announced
that the support act will be the front guy of

(01:38:06):
the hip hop group Brockhampton Kevin Abstract. So maybe they've
just kept you know, they want the reminder everybody that
the show's happening, and they held the tickets back. But anyway,
if you're interested, those should go on sale for morow.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
What about my surprise today? So Jen, who's the lawyer,
came down and said, blah blah blah blah blah. Oh,
we're going to Lord and I'd forgotten that we're.

Speaker 22 (01:38:24):
Going to Lord concent Club.

Speaker 3 (01:38:25):
Outing is it?

Speaker 7 (01:38:27):
There?

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
We go?

Speaker 22 (01:38:28):
If you want to go to the Bark Arena show,
there's another advantage.

Speaker 2 (01:38:31):
Oh it's seeing me.

Speaker 3 (01:38:32):
Yeah, you get to see the concert club whatever you.

Speaker 2 (01:38:34):
Will, no one will even They'll see Jen and they'll
be like, look at that hot, hot, clever woman. Anyway,
thanks to Jen for reminding me. Yeah, so there's that. Okay,
cool to see tomorrow.

Speaker 10 (01:39:00):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:39:01):
For more from Hither Duplessy, Allen Drive listen live to
News Talks A B from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio

All Episodes

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

Stuff You Should Know

Paper Ghosts: The Texas Teen Murders

Dateline NBC

.css-15opob5{left:0;position:absolute;top:0.8rem;} All Episodes

.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}Full Show Podcast: 12 November 2025

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

.css-r6mb8g{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:1;overflow:hidden;}Stuff You Should Know

Paper Ghosts: The Texas Teen Murders

Dateline NBC

All Episodes

Full Show Podcast: 12 November 2025

Stuff You Should Know