Full Show Podcast: 13 May 2026

Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only drive show you can to ask the questions,
get the answers, find a five sack and give the analysis.
Heather dupericy Ellen, Drive with One New Zealand and the
Power of satellite Mobile News Talks Envy.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Afternoon. Welcome to the show coming up today. The Prime
Minister has given a speech to Business New Zealand. He
says national will have a careful immigration policy. The budget
won't be a big spending one will get you analysis
after five Retail New Zealand on the report that Kiwi's
a choosing local even when they could get the foreign
stuff cheaper, and Fitch's head of Asia Pacific Sovereigns is
in the country will talk to them about a possible

(00:38):
downgrade next year.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Heather dupericy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
So I'm fascinated by this article in the Herald today
which argues that the All Blacks should be forced to
give up business class and travel premium economy instead, because
the cost of international travel is now so expensive that
it's costing Moving our team in black around the planet
is now costing teams I should say in Black around
the planet is costing nearly eighty seven million dollars a
year and dropping them back a class on the plane

(01:03):
will bring that cost back to eighty million dollars a
year and nearly wipe out the seven million dollar loss
that end Z are just reported for the financial year,
which is great maths, but the idea is ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
Isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
I mean, you can't ask a ter met a tall
man like Fabian Holland to move down from business class,
but even the shorter guys, you can't ask them to
travel to South Africa in a few weeks, which is
literally on the other side of the world, and it's
close to a full day's travel, even in the most
direct route through Perth, and then ask them to get
over their jet lag and start playing top level rugby
against the best team in the world, and ask them

(01:35):
to do all of that after they've been sitting up
on a plane for the entire flight, Like that is impossible.
And we sometimes disparage rugby for not being a real
job when we say things like, oh, it's not that
hard to throw a ball around a paddock, which may
be true, but it's still a job, isn't it. When
you're asking someone to fly that distance for their job
for work, and not just once but multiple times, in
the season, it should be in business class. Now there

(01:58):
is an argument about how many people go on these trips,
and I'm happy to have a chat about that. There
are apparently more than forty players and nearly thirty staff
going to South Africa in a few weeks time, which
seems excessive for a game that only requires fifteen men
to be on the field at any one time. And
by the way, it's not just the All Blacks who
do this, who take these enormous squads around the world
and put them in business class. It's also the Black

(02:19):
Ferns and the sevens teams. But on the idea of
dropping these boys and girls down the class on the
plane to bring them back down a peg and save
some money, I suspect that there are people who will
look at this and think this is a great idea.
And that's the part that fascinates me. How many people
out there will like the idea that our best rugby
players are forced to sit further down the plane like
the rest of.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Us together do. For see ellen.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Bit at the old Shaw Coffee Probably tree been through
nine two nine two is the text number tell you
what ends that our boss is going to be in
the office. We'll have a chat to him, Steve Lancash
to see what he's got to say about it. Now,
here's a question for you. Is the brain drain reel
or not? Maybe not? According to former Chief Science as
A Peter Gluckman, who's co authored a paper.

Speaker 5 (03:02):
Now.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
This paper says that the current levels of immigration to
Australia and the rest of the world are actually pretty
normal historically, and immigrants, the ones that we're losing, are
no more qualified or smarter than the rest of us
or the immigrants that replace them. Paul Spoonley is a
senior fellow at the Center for Informed Futures and he
reviewed the paper and is with us. Hi, Paul get A, Heather,
welcome back to the show. Now, is Peter Gluckman and

(03:23):
his co authors? Are they right that actually this is
nothing but normal stuff going on?

Speaker 4 (03:29):
No, it's nothing but normal. Their numbers leaving have certainly increased.
But essentially what we've asked is whether there's a brain exchange.
So we're losing some bright young New Zealanders. Heather and
I think that should be a matter for discussion. But
the people we get as equally qualified and they're coming
in as immigrants.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Have we ever measured how many of the people we
lose we get back, Yes, we do.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
We have the net gain. The problem is that you know,
those arrival and departure cards, we did away with them.
When we did away with them, we lost the opportunity
to track what people were doing. So when you went
to Australia, we would know whether you were going as
a tourist or as an immigrant, and we would know
a little bit about you. And we've lost all that information.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
So we get the.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
Return flow at the moment. It's quite considerable. So for
every three people that go, one return, so there's always
a bit of a churn, but we don't have a
lot of data around who's leaving and who's coming back
and why.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
The reason I'm asking is because I was at a
party for Kindy. Like bear with me, this is a
long story, but we get there in the endport So
I was at a party because my boy goes to
Kindy and just in his friendship group, which is not
even the entire Kindy cohort, right, just in his friendship group,
there are two boys host parents have just moved back
from London with their kids, so they went over those
young people started up, had a career, had children, realized

(04:53):
it sucks having children in London, and brought their kids back.
I just wonder, I mean, if that's just two of
my boys mates, this must be happening quite a bit.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
It is quite a bit.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
The thing that I would ask for your little KINDI
group is how many of them have got immediate family
in Australia. So I think the one that we should
be concerned about is the sixty percent who are leaving,
who are going to Australia. And I don't know whether
you've had a close look at the amount of money
that the Australian police, particularly in the northern territories, are
paying their cops, but they are starting to, you know,

(05:26):
recruit significant numbers of our cops, both newly qualified and
people who've got experience. So I think we need to
keep an eye on it because Australia's we've got we've
got a single labor market really with Australia, and they
do pay more. So that's the one that I would
be concerned about. But you're absolutely right. When New Zealanders

(05:47):
start to have a family, that's the moment when a
lot of them think about coming back.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, and look, I don't want to disparage anybody's line
of work, but with the Australian stuff, how much of
the pele do we know? How many of the people
move over to Australia are what we would maybe consider
like low werse skilled workers. Do you know what I mean,
like hospo workers who earns considerably more over in Australia
as opposed to our real high end professionals.

Speaker 6 (06:13):
No.

Speaker 7 (06:13):
Absolutely, so.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
Australia is the one market that you can go as
an unskilled or semi skilled person from New Zealand and work.
So that's an important part of the migrant flow out
of the country. And as you say, and I think
I want to repeat this, there is a churn. They
do come back.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, it's just.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
That, you know, there are quite a few more going
to Australia than coming back at the moment. But as
economic conditions in this country improve, that will change.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah, I suspect so. And even in Australia they find
out it's not that fun when you haven't got mum
and dad around to help you. Now, immigration policy, so
Christopher Luxon said that immigration policy is going to be
careful from the National Party, the selection. What are you
picking is going to be like, how's the conversation going
to be about immigration? Is it going to be really
heated selection?

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (07:01):
I think it is partly because what surprised me is Act,
which is I tended to view as a pro immigrant party,
seem to have changed their position. So we know when
New Zealand First are going to go and you know
some of the silly comments that have been coming out
of Shane Jones in the past. What I think we
need to say very clearly is that we should not

(07:21):
compare our immigration system to what's happening in Europe. It
is completely different.

Speaker 8 (07:26):
They have a.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
Large number of refugees in the asylum seekers. We do not.
We go for skilled migrants. So yes, I think there
should be a debate about two things, Heather. One is
have we got the policy settings right? Are we getting
the skilled people that we need? The second is how many?
And at the moment, you know, we go through this
volatility two years ago it was really high, then it

(07:48):
went really low. I think what we should say is
how many people do we need on an annual basis
and that should be our target and why don't we
stick to the target? So I think there should be
a debate, but please don't get political and silly about this.
We need these people.

Speaker 8 (08:04):
You know.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
Yeah, if you look at our labor market, immigration is
really important for this country.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Now, yep, I would agree with you on that, Paul.
Thank you as always, it's lovely to chat to you.
Paul Spoonly, Center for Informed Futures, Senior Fellow. We've got
I was just counting it up while Paul was talking.
I reckon, We've got about four family members who've moved
over to Australia. I've got a couple of cousins over there.
Off them have they all had kids? Three quarters of

(08:31):
them have had kids already, and one quarter of them
one family wants to come back because it sucks when
you don't have grandparents here frankly, so we'll see how
that goes. But one quarter is still not that good,
is it.

Speaker 9 (08:42):
Now.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
If you're in Queenstown this weekend and you don't have
any plans, you do now you're going to upstairs at
the Bunker on Friday night because Jason Mamour is going
to be djaying on Friday. It's going to be spinning
the decks. Not the first time he spun the decks.
I can't vouch for him as a DJ, And isn't
he sort of a weird rock band as well?

Speaker 10 (09:01):
Like I was gonna say, isn't that Oh, they've got
a really weird name as well? Some of those two
other guys who are in the rock band. Yeah, it's
clear he's I mean, if your musical, your musical right.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, So can't vouch for him, like he's he's pretty
good at a rock band. Sitting don't know what he's
like as a DJ, but I mean doesn't actually matter
because if he comes in one of those little singlets,
You're gonna be happier, aren't you. You're gonna be like,
You're just gonna be just looking, just looking, doesn't matter.
You could go with the earplugs, doesn't matter. It's gonna

(09:31):
be fantastic. Turns out, actually, he's a fifteen percent shareholder
in the bar, so you might see.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
More of them.

Speaker 10 (09:36):
Tatata is what is rock band's called?

Speaker 9 (09:39):
I told you it was weird.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Who cares? It's got guns? Seventeen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
It's the Heather Dupers Allen Drive Full Show podcast on
iHeartRadio powered by News Talk zbyhither.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
If the All Blacks lads can't handle being in premium economy,
then surely they can't handle the spring box. Stand by
for that chat.

Speaker 11 (09:59):
Four nineteen the Rule Report sport with Generate for award
winning performances Generate Kiwisavor dot Co, dot.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
N SIS, Darcy Watergrove Sports Stool Costars. Before we get
into the plane situation, we just talked about Ivan Clary.
Just was this a surprise this press conference announcing he's gone.

Speaker 9 (10:16):
Oh, I didn't see it coming, but it has been
discussed of recent times, so not not a total surprise.
But after ruling the roost for so long with such success,
sad for the club to see him leave. But he's
got another season to try and win himself yet another title.
So we've got Jet Clary. I don't think i've him
back to Mount Smart and maybe drag his other kid,
Nathan back, because he's quite handy too.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Has he not said where he's going he is going to?

Speaker 9 (10:48):
No, No, he has an announcement.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
This is what keep said about you, He's going to.

Speaker 9 (10:55):
I've been hiding in a studio for the last kind
of forty five minutes, and so this came as a
surprise to me too.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Ah, there you go, no idea he's taking over Wallace.

Speaker 9 (11:04):
Yeah, so he's coming to the Warriors. No he's not.
I'd like to have him back here not doing Say sorry,
Andrew Webster, I really don't want to blot your copybook
or your name.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
My apologies very quickly. It is a ridiculous idea, isn't
it to force the all Blacks back out of business class?
I mean, what are we thinking?

Speaker 9 (11:24):
I think the all Blacks could stay. The rest of
them travel and zoo the black ferns. I get the
black fans, the two top teams.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
What about the sevens, because I would argue the sevens
the one and the turnarounds are faster.

Speaker 9 (11:36):
Yeah, and if you're taking though a small section, I
don't think you need to flavory man and his dog
across anywhere more than was at five hours and stick
them in business. Do they really needed premium economies? Quite flash, apparently.
I don't know. Never traveled premium economy. I'm definitely in
the cheap so.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
I mean it's premium. Premium economy is okay if you
don't have to sleep right, but the minute you need
to keep there's no point. So if you traveling to
South Africa or England, any of those big flights overnight. No,
you need you need to lie down.

Speaker 9 (12:05):
Well, as I said, the top one, the top flights,
let them run in because that's their their health and
that's what they're getting paid to do in performance. So
like let them go. But the rest of them, you guys,
you can go on certain the cheap seats and enjoy
the meals.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Such a breast. All right, let's quickly what you're doing
in then.

Speaker 9 (12:26):
Now we've got my birthday twin joining us on the
program and Maddie Green the White Fans playing tonight from
at midnight. We'll talk with Amy Martin Fell. She's thet
the rugby CEO, talking about misbehavior on the sidelines. It's
something she's addressed and it covers the entire motto. It's
something we've really got to look at.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Good from you, Thank you, Darcy, Darcy Watergrave sports Store
coasters back at seven eight.

Speaker 9 (12:50):
He's not coming to the worries. You know. I'm sorry, Andrew,
I really am.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
It's two the day's newspeakers talk to Heather first.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Heather ce Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the
Power of Satellite Mobile new Sauce said.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Be either I call bs on immigration. We're losing good
quality kiwis and we're important courier drivers, uber and taxi drivers,
not skilled migrants. So as a big difference in quality, Well, Peter,
I don't want to be too unkind to ourselves, but
we are also like I know that we've lost where
even in my family one person was a hostpow worker.
I mean that's you know, that's a great line of work,

(13:27):
but it's not I wouldn't say highly skilled. I know
a lot of people who've gone to Australia and I
wouldn't consider them highly skilled. I think it's much of
the muchness and you can't argue with the data, can
you anyway, But just judging by the text coming and
I could see immigration is going to be a big
thing today, which did come up today. In the Prime
Minister speech to Business New Zealand, he spends a lot
more time kind of talking about what's going on geopolitically.

(13:48):
He did foreshadow the budget, though the basic message there
was that there was no big spend upcoming, which is
unusual for election year. They've lowered the operating allowance by
three hundred million dollars. So they're only going to give
themselves ex extra spending capacity of two point one billion dollars,
which they're trying to make it sound like that's not
a lot. That's a lot. That's a lot of money
that Nicholas going to be spending this year extra. So anyway,

(14:10):
we'll deal with that later. They've indicated there could be
more cuts and savings. You know how they go through
and they find savings and stuff more coming. He said.
For the third year running we've been able to achieve
significant savings across government. So Katie Bradford was at the speech.
She's going to be with us after five and give
us her thoughts on that Milford Track. Wow, Milford Track
sold out within a half an hour basically today, half

(14:30):
an hour of those bookings opening gone. There were thirteen
and a half thousand uses in line when it opened
because they do the new online booking thing. That is
a record by the way of people sitting there in
an online queue. Only seven thousand spots were available, which
basically means around about half of the people who were
sitting in line missed out today. What I love about
this is how much we want to go and see

(14:51):
our country and how much we are lining up to
go out there and check out the coolest stuff, the
great walks. If you missed out, and I'm sorry if
you missed out on Milk because Milford is actually awesome.
And what you want is you want the first few
days to be sunny and then the last day to
be raining so you can see all the waterfalls. Anyway,
if you missed out, you can do the as able
Tasman costrack, which you think, oh, now that's easy. It's not.

(15:14):
I reckon. It's harder than Milford because it's it's as
high and as far, but you do it in shorter days.
That's opening tomorrow, like fewer days I mean, and then
rout Burne is opening on Friday. Get a monst at
New Zealand. Dan Mitchison shortly.

Speaker 10 (15:29):
My job.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home it's Heather duplic Ellen
drive with one New Zealand tend of power, a satellite
mobile news talks that'd be.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Hither I walked them Milford November twenty twenty five with
the Ultimate Hikes. Ultimate Hikes are the flash guys, so
you're not in the Dockhart, you're in the flashhouse. Amazing.
Out of the forty nine in our group, my husband
and I were the only kiwis. They guide up to
fifty every day over the summer season. It'd be interesting
to know how many kiwis over the season walk with them.
That is a fair point, actually, because here I am.
Somebody text through and said, actually, all of those tickets,

(16:11):
just the bookings being snapped up, are by like Chinese
tour groups who just do mass bookings and then do
guided tours, which could also be true. Listen, if you
are laboring under the impression that insects don't feel pain,
I hate to draw this to your attention, but it
appears that they do. So if you hurt an insect,

(16:31):
they are actually feeling it, just like a dog or
a cat might do that. The researchers have had looked
at crickets. They intentionally hurt some crickets on the antennae,
and then they watched what the crickets were doing, and
the crickets would then nurse that saw antennae like a dog,
wouldn't you know, Like if a dog had a saw leg,
it would lick at it and it would sort of
you know, look after it. It was doing the same
thing with the antenna. So before you go around just
I don't know, swatting at them and bashing them with

(16:54):
things and spraying them with toxic fumes, just think about that.
You heard it them. They feel pain. Twenty three away
from five.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Donald Trump is on his way to China to meet
with President g sounds like he's very much looking forward
to it.

Speaker 9 (17:11):
He's been a friend of mine, he's been somebody that
we get along with.

Speaker 12 (17:16):
And I think you're going to see that good things
are going to happen.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
This is going to be a very exciting trip.

Speaker 13 (17:21):
A lot of good things are.

Speaker 14 (17:22):
Going to happen.

Speaker 9 (17:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Trump says they're going to have a long talk about Iran.
Over in Australia, the Aussie government has cut taxes for
workers as part of its twenty twenty six budget. It's
paying for this by getting rid of tax perks for
property in visitors. Treasurer Jim Chalmers is the Iran Wall
changed everything for the Australian economy.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Before the conflict.

Speaker 15 (17:39):
Treasury was actually going to upgrade household consumption next year,
it ended up downgrading it by half a percentage point instead,
largely due to its higher outlook for inflation. Meanwhile, what
was going to be GDP growth with a two in
front of it is now GDP in.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
The high ones.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
And finally, a British soldier is preparing to cry again
to cross the Atlantic Ocean in a tiny boat. In
twenty twenty three, Andrew Bedwell was going to attempt the
crossing in a boat which measured only three feets just
think about just think about that three feet and ten
inches in length. But the boat broke before he could

(18:17):
get under way. He's now waiting for a replacement boat
to clear Canadian customs, and then he's going to set
off and do it all over again.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Dan Mitchinson, Our US correspondence with US. Hello Dan, Hey
you Heather right, So bad news for Trump. It doesn't
look like Iran's been struck quite as hard as he says, right.

Speaker 5 (18:42):
Well, not if you're to believe the New York Times.
They've got a report out that says that Iran has
more operational missile sites along the straight up woor moves
than we were led to believe over here as something
like sixty maybe seventy percent of its pre war missile
stockpile mobile launchers, And it sounds like the majority of
the underground missile storage and launch facilities are partially or

(19:02):
fully operational, which is something that we were told they
were not from the time this war got underway.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
It read a little bit like and correct me if
I'm wrong, But it read a little bit like they
had lost access. So he might not have been wrong,
but they have now regained access to all of the stuff.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Is that about it? Yeah? I think so.

Speaker 5 (19:19):
It depends on who you were listening to. If you
were listening to the Secretary of Defence, if you were
listening to President Trump, everything was destroyed it or and
then the next day you'd hear that, well, they just
don't have access to this. So basically, I think what
it means though for Iran is they could possibly hold
out on the blockade of the straight of war moves
a lot longer than perhaps we previously thought they could.

(19:40):
Maybe a few months.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah, right now, Trump's hit it off to China. Obviously
he needs a win here. What's the wind going to
be well.

Speaker 5 (19:49):
The win is going to be an investment of a
trillion dollars in the US economy, at least that's what
he's hoping for. But then we circle back to this
elephant in the room, which is the war in ira
and I think the President and his delegation was they
were hoping that it was going to be over by now.
China's kind of backed off on this, although it is
that the world's biggest buyer of Iranian oil. They said,

(20:10):
you know, we're not really going to get involved in
this yet. And then, as you just mentioned before he
left for China, he said, hey, you know what, we're
going to have a great meeting of the minds. We're
going to talk about Iran. And then maybe thirty seconds
later he said, you know what, we're probably not going
to because he says, we have the Iran war under control,
even though he said that the ceasefire is on life

(20:32):
support yesterday.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
He says a lot of weird things, though, doesn't he
Now we talked about this on the show, yes that
I met. Damon and Ben Affleck are facing a lawsuit
from it. It doesn't sound like the Miami Police Department,
but a bunch of police officers. Is that right now?

Speaker 5 (20:47):
It's just a couple of them, and this thing seems
to be you know, they'll probably make a movie out
of this, because I can tell you I had to
go back and check again that I had actually seen
this movie called The Rip, because it was I couldn't
remember it, and then I said, oh, I do read
and it wasn't that good. So this was a story
about a couple of cops who became greedy and corrupt.
And you've got a couple of people from Miami Dade

(21:08):
police officers who said, you know, basically, what you've done
is you've taken our real life experiences and you're causing
major damage to our reputation personally and professionally. Right now,
they're saying the movie portrayed them as dirty cops. So
they go into the station now and everybody's asking, well,
how much money did you guys really take or where

(21:29):
is this money? And that's caused harm to their reputation,
So they're also saying that they've got to get some
money out of this.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Here's the question that we landed with at the end
of the discussion yesterday, is they must have heard of
the streisand effect right, And by complaining about this and
drawing attention to it, it's only going to make more
of us go and watch that. So what's the thinking there.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
You know, that's a good point. I don't know to
tell you the truth.

Speaker 5 (21:50):
I mean, the movie stream in the movie wasn't a
gigantic box office hit. I think it'll get some you know,
it'll get them some press. But it'll be interesting to
see if a lot of these cases that do go
to court that involve you know, millionaires, and that's what
these guys are, if they settle out of court. So
maybe they'll get to maybe they'll get paid, maybe there'll
be something with the Department that they'll agree upon. But

(22:13):
they're certainly making it. They certainly waited long enough to file.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
This as well.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Dan, thank you. We'll talk to you in a couple
of days. Dan Mitchinson, US Correspondents, eighteen away.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
From five Keller Duper see Allen.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah, that's why I go for the instant squash with
the insects. It's instant, do you know what? So I
heard Mike talking on his show about those guns where
they shoot the flies, and I thought, and you know,
it's Auckland, and it's warm and it's summer. There's flies
and there's kid's food around all the time. Like you
can't clean up as much as you want, but there's
always going to be some crumb somewhere that a fly

(22:45):
is going to get. I feel like our house is
just plagued by them. So I went and bought one
of those guns, and boy, they are fun. The bug
shooting guns it is there. My brother said to me,
what happened though, is he's got two riotous boys, And
he said, yeah. The trouble was though they had a
couple of guns, and then the boys started shooting each
other with the salt and then just randomly, stuff around
the house started rusting, so they threw the guns away. Well,

(23:06):
I haven't had that problem just yet, but then I
haven't had the gun that long. But it is a
huge amount of fun. It's actual quite accurate. So if
you're thinking, geez, what am we gonna do with these flies?
You could do worse, then get a gun. I'll tell
you that.

Speaker 5 (23:17):
Now.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
The Okhams can. When you talk about Justinda and the Okhams,
the most surprising thing for me about about the Okhams
was not the fact that Jasinda Ardun has won the
People's Choice Book Award because that was inevitable. It is
the fact that she won in a category that only
attracted five hundred votes. Five hundred votes, that is surely

(23:38):
to god. We have more than five hundred people in
this country who read new books by key we authors
every year. So they say, Justinda one by a landslide. Well,
I mean the landslide is that she got two hundred
and fifteen votes and Catherine Chigee's novel only got one
hundred and ten. North Bound by Naomi Arnold and Mister
Ward's Matt by Elizabeth Cox tied in third place with

(23:58):
nineteen votes. Elizabeth is one of the most beautiful writers
that this country's produced. Imagine how she feels like she's
this amazing writer and then she gets on half confused
with Elizabeth Knox in mind nineteen votes. Who cares Everything
but the Medicine by Lucy o'hagen here Poor Wire. Natural
History of New Zealand Flowers by Philip Varnock Jones, both
on eighteen votes. I mean, that's probably fair. That's probably fair,

(24:23):
isn't it? A Natural History of New Zealand Flowers surprising
eighteen people read it and voted for Hollo Boys by
Peter Cary Kerry on seventeen votes. To be fair, it
might be more of a reflection about how much people
care about the Ockhams, but I am devastated that only
for five hundred people were that interested in our new books.
Step it up, guys, sixteen away from five.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Politics with centrics, credit, check your customers and get payments.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Certainty Katie Bradford sat through the Prome Minister's speech for us,
so she'll give us an overview after five o'clock. Right now,
it's fourteen away from five, really thirteen away from five
and Barry Soper, senior political correspondence here high Barry.

Speaker 7 (25:00):
To know anyhow? That right?

Speaker 2 (25:00):
So what do you think of the government being more
frugal and yet also wrapping up an extra two billion
dollars on the credit card?

Speaker 6 (25:06):
Well, we always knew that they were going to rack
up two and a half billion dollars. This is just
a saving I think of about three hundred million ells.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Haven't they done this the previous two budgets where they've
set an operating allowance and then cut it back in
the weeks before the budget gone, look how frugal we are.

Speaker 6 (25:22):
This is a very old political trick. Muldoon used to
always say the deficit was going to be four point
five billion dollars. Come the budget it'd be two point
five billion dollars and you say, oh, we've done better
than you ever thought we'd do. And there's a bit
of that sort of play in this because cutting the spending,

(25:44):
it's not going to be clearly a lolly scramble election
year budget. And normally you'd see you know, more booty
being handed out this side of an election in an
election year. So there won't be any scramble in this budget,
that's for sure. So who's taking the credit for tightening

(26:06):
the belt, Well, here's Ax, David Simol.

Speaker 16 (26:08):
This reduction and spending is a policy that has Ax
fingerprints all over it. We're very proud to be driving
that change. But it also creates a real choice for voters.
On the one hand, you have three parties that can
work together to make careful use of taxpayer money, but clearly,
when the act Party is involved, we're the ones at
the table who press for careful use of taxpayer money

(26:28):
and less spending because when you're borrowing at the margin.
Every dollar is debt that goes on to future generation.

Speaker 6 (26:35):
It's got nothing to do with nickelaur whoever.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Two billion dollars in operating allowance plus another five billion
dollars on capitol, that is nothing for the Ax party
to be power. Well, they're taking the credit, so they
think that there's something noble now about out spending. Grant
Robertson in an you wonder, you know.

Speaker 7 (26:55):
No wonder.

Speaker 6 (26:56):
It's difficult to be around this cabinet table. Well there
you gooes like that's there, and every time you make
a move, they're claiming.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Credit for it, credit for mediocrity.

Speaker 6 (27:05):
Whether he should have taken credit.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Well, who knows what it was going to be beforehand.
Listen Shane Jones, is he got in trouble as he well.

Speaker 6 (27:12):
Look it was rowdy in the debating chamber this afternoon.
Shane Jones was being asked some questions and he got
booted out essentially for poking the borax at the Maori
Party's co leader Debbie now Panka haven't listened.

Speaker 17 (27:28):
It could very well be that critical minerals I needed,
I needed for hearing aids, and I rather fears to
speak of that hearing aids are needed for the Member
from Western Maldi sitting to my right. No, I need
to make those comments, mister speaker.

Speaker 18 (27:46):
I'm just talking about rare properties, minerals, critical contributors to
the capacity of the Member of Parliament to stop talking
like a wounded hen.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
And listen to the.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Yea, off you go?

Speaker 2 (28:06):
You think him out?

Speaker 9 (28:07):
Did he?

Speaker 7 (28:07):
I think that's hilarious? Well he left?

Speaker 6 (28:10):
Yes, Normally Parliament's a bit more formal that the member
will now be asked to leave the house. But shame
was on his feet, the mud tour as he calls himself,
and off he went.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Oh that's very good.

Speaker 8 (28:20):
I like it.

Speaker 12 (28:21):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
So Labour's chosen a candidate in the weather. Do you
call it a weather vane seat?

Speaker 6 (28:26):
Well, a weather van or a bowl weather Okay, And
it's appropriate they chose this person because guess what he
does for a living.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Oh, this is the meteorologist's about twenty two? Is it
this guy?

Speaker 9 (28:38):
Yes, so you know this is seen as a bell
weather seat if you like.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Who employs a meteorologist? Well, he's twenty two, twenty two,
which seats this?

Speaker 6 (28:48):
By the way, this is dookie, dookie, and of course
he'll be up against.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Do we have meteorologists in Hawks Bay.

Speaker 6 (28:55):
No, he's not there, but he's going up he in fact,
not too long was he was at school in Napier.
He was the Ducks of Tale Taradale High School in
twenty twenty one before attending university in Canterbury and Wellington,
and there he completed a Master of Meteorology.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yes, yeah, but that means he's basically not been employed
as well.

Speaker 6 (29:20):
He should read the weather a bit closer on this
seat because Tane Randall, the former All Black, is standing
there for New Zealand first and it was lost by
Labor last time round to who's the oh Catherine wedd
the former television journalist. So yeah, he's up against certainly
Tane Randall. I don't think it's going to be very

(29:42):
easy to beat there. But you know this, like I said,
there's a weather van seat and it can go either way.
It has sort of Waxton Wane between Labor and National.
But who knows. The meteorological man may have read the
weather and decided blame.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Your joke's a lame. Hey, do you mind if I
tell your story about the butter? Can I tell you
the story about the butter? Though you do like right, yes,
you can thank you. You can't tell the story about it?
Oh no, I can not with you here?

Speaker 6 (30:17):
Can I just tell one alternative story for the No? No,
but you went out and bought us gribbled pads for
the children today and you paid sixteen dollars ninety five
for each pad, replacing the pads that I had bought
at what do they call it?

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Countdown?

Speaker 11 (30:38):
Was much little correspondent here yourself.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Think it's the mic Hosking breakfast.

Speaker 19 (30:44):
Judith Collins is farewell Parliament of course for Judith Collins,
as well as what's your observation to the brain power
in the place over the last twenty four years and
whether it's gone down?

Speaker 20 (30:52):
No, I don't think it has gone down. I think
it's just a different sort of brain power and different experiences.
But there's some very intelligent people in Parliament and some
very good, hard working people. I was talking to some
of them yesterday afternoon after my speech.

Speaker 7 (31:06):
They try their best.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
I don't know of.

Speaker 20 (31:08):
People who go to Parliament just to think it's some
sort of jolly. They almost always believe that they are
going to make a positive difference.

Speaker 7 (31:16):
I don't doubt their Sincerity.

Speaker 19 (31:18):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast, We've
Defender News Talk zb.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Hey on Opportunity, which is so hard to call them
Opportunity the Opportunity Party, So on the Opportunity Party. There
is some talk about the possibility that they might make
it in this election. And I don't know if this
is real or not, or this is just a political
journalist just musing, but the idea has been raised that
maybe Labor will throw Mount Albert the electorate to the

(31:46):
Opportunity Party to get them in. Because if they're in there,
they're a bit less weird than the Greens, and they're
a lot less weird than the Maori Party, So it
gives Labor a potential coalition partner, if not for this election,
maybe for or another one. Anyway, Bryce Edwards wrote a
piece which I was reading last night saying that he
thinks this is Opportunity's best opportunity to get into parliament.

(32:08):
So we're gonna have a chat after half past six
just get a feel of how real this is or not.
The butter so Barry came home this morning and he
goes bargain and he's holding two butters in his hands.
He goes bargain one dollar from Woolworth's and I was
I looked at it, I thought, here for one dollar.
Looked at it. Woolworth's butter blend clues in the name.

(32:28):
It's not a butter as it's a blend fresh cream
and vegetable oils. I said to him, that's not butter. Now,
I don't want done. Don't put that on my toast.
I don't want that alm a proper butter. And then
he said to me, oh, you can bake with it
like number one, I'm gonna bake but number two with
that not baking with real butter anyway? Am I being

(32:49):
unfair because I feel like this? You know I've told
you a thousand times. This man is the stingiest man
you will ever come across in your life, like one
hundred percent. He's just such such deep pockets, short arms.
Am I being unfair?

Speaker 3 (33:03):
Like?

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Is this half decent butter and I should give it
a crack? Or is this just Barry being the tightest
person you've ever come across in your life? Nine two
nine two. If it comes and I have to try it,
I'll eat it tomorrow morning. I will Katie Bradford on
the Prime Minister's speech next.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
The only Drive show you can try to ask the questions,
you get the answers, find the faack and.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
Give the analysis.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Here the dupicl And Drive with One New Zealand and
the power of satellite mobile News.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Doorgs be.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Good afternoon. The Prime Minister's given a speech today warning
there will not be that many treats in this month's
upcoming budget. The operating allowance has been reduced from two
point four to two point one billion dollars. The Herald's
senior correspondent, Katie Bradford, was at the speech today and
joins us now, Hi, Katie cured to hear that now
it sounds great that they've cut it, but two point
one billion dollars are still a lot of money to
put on the old credit card, isn't it? To be honest?

Speaker 21 (33:58):
Looking at all the texts coming through about butter, I
feel like we should be talking about what the government's
going to do about making sure every household in New
Zealand has nice, creamy New Zealand butter, because that's all
anyone cares about right now. But yes, the government has
said other Prime Minister has said that the government will
spend three hundred million dollars less in the budget. If
you you might say, look, that is high compared to

(34:19):
some previous budgets we're seeing in the past. It's half
of what Grant Robertson was spending. That's to go across
the government says law and order, health, education, defence, their
usual priorities. If you say probably eight hundred mil for
health there, that's not much money left to go across
when we've got a booming population, which you know, the
population is not booming anymore, but it has in the
past and created huge pressures on our systems and to.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
The artificially make their operating allowance higher, right because they're
going to go in and they're going to find savings,
for example, the fees free, which when he told us
on Friday they were cutting that puts some money into
rees something else a couple of.

Speaker 21 (34:54):
Hundred mil right there. And yes, that's what they and
that's what we see every single budget. We see them
fiddling around things like is this going to be spent
over three years or four years? I do think interesting
today and it may have been lost a bit in
some of the messaging, but they have said, they're increasing
the capital spending. Yeah, so that will go on defense assets, infrastructure.
You would expect that five billion is it five point

(35:15):
seven billions?

Speaker 2 (35:15):
So again on the credit card?

Speaker 7 (35:17):
Right?

Speaker 21 (35:17):
Well, and yes, and you're in because the pher Luxan's speech,
he was very quick to note this will not increase debt.
Straight after he mentioned that capital spinning was going up,
he said, we are determined to keep that down while
we do this.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Well, how do you not increase debt? Is it funded
by savings?

Speaker 21 (35:32):
Well, and that would be a lot of savings that
have to find anywhere. Don't forget we have that. There's
already been committed large spinning for the defense program. Yeah, schools, hospitals, obviously,
infrastructure build. Who's going to pay for the second Harbor
crossing when it comes along?

Speaker 13 (35:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Quite right. Okay, So immigration he raised as well, because
clearly this is going to be an immigration election. And
we talked to Paul Spoony about about an hour ago.
What does he mean do you think when he says
the National Party will have careful immigration policy?

Speaker 21 (35:57):
Yeah, and you'll note in some of the language there
I scattered all through that speech. I've had to look
through it. There's a lot of talk around stability, social cohesion, sensible.
This is a very clear message he's trying to get
out there about National was the party of sensible, stable,
planned approach going in here. I think this speech was

(36:20):
carefully thought out in that sense. The remarks around social
casion and we have seen problems and the other countries
are very clear message there around where other governments have failed.
He's trying to strike a balance right, This is he
wants to look in the middle and between New Zealand First.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Because this has been the discussion about this coalition is
that you know what New Zealand First stands, where you
know what ACT stands for, but nobody's really figured out
what National stands. Will really they just stand for the stability,
don't they.

Speaker 21 (36:48):
That's and that's what he's saying there, both when it
comes to finances, when it comes to geopolitics, where it
comes to bilateral relations. I think around that immigration issue.
I had messages from people in that room as I
was on there saying where's he going with this? Does
he recognize that business leaders want those skilled workers, that
we still have gaps of experienced workers in many industries here,

(37:09):
and we want immigrants here, yes, and I hear that
from business communities all the time, but that people need
that and so that's where National is going to be
very careful because those people in that room there today,
that's his audience, right, That's where National needs to keep
them on side and they will be concerned. They don't
like some of that language we hear. They don't like
the idea of stoking the debate around there. I just

(37:31):
think that those words of social cohesion were very wealthy.

Speaker 9 (37:34):
Out as well.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Katie, thank you as always really appreciate it made this
Katie Bradford, the Herald senior correspondent who sat through the
speech eleven past five.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Heather duplusy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
So the Labor Party over in Australia have unveiled their
budget for the year. Big changes include scrapping the fifty
percent capital gains discount, removing negative gearing from existing properties,
and working Australians will get a two hundred and fifty
annual dollar tax offset annually. Professor Peter Swan is an
emeritus Professor of Finance at the School of Banking at
the University of New South Wales and with us Hi Peter, Hi, Hi,

(38:04):
would you say that this is the generational budget that
has been dressed up as.

Speaker 22 (38:10):
It's certainly dressed up as but it's going to hurt
the younger generation and steal from the older generation. So
herees it has all sorts of intergenerational implications which are really,
in my view, all very poor for both groups.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Why are you not loving it for the young people?

Speaker 22 (38:30):
Well, because the next ten years debt is going to
go up. It's already around the trillion dollar level, and
the younger and then unborn are going to have to
repay the debt as well as bear the huge interest
burden on the debt, and all citizens are going to

(38:51):
have to put up with much higher inflation, not due
to the war, but due to excessive government expenditure. So
they've raised taxes by seventy eight billion dollars, but they
plan to spend far more than that extravagant amount that
they have.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Raised.

Speaker 22 (39:12):
At the same time, they're destroying the rental industry. People
will have great typically meeting higher rental costs in future
because of the clamp down on interest deductibility for interest

(39:33):
on negative gearing. Essentially, is it though going I.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Mean, if that's sure, the rentals may dry up and
that's a very good point to raise. Is it going to,
on the other hand, make housing cheaper to buy into?

Speaker 22 (39:45):
No, it's not going to make it cheaper to buy into.
There's nothing in the budget that says that or suggests
that except in a very very mine and mine are
fashion and all the pressure is or much higher costs
of housing costs, construction costs are going through the roof,

(40:05):
Inflation is getting a lot worse, and there's veryant really
no benefits other than perhaps if it really comes about
slashing of the costs of the ndis.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Yeah, all right, So it's pretty grim all round, isn't it. Professor,
thanks very much, appreciate it. Professor Peterswan of the University
of New South Wales. Heither do for clos No just
it is an absolute spanking on the butter. Hither I'm
with you on the butter. Everything is modified these days.
Let's start to teach health. What do you want to
stick vegetable oils in your face? It's basically margarine, isn't
it what you eating margarine for? If you can eat butter?

(40:42):
Because that I mean, look, I know this, I don't
live in a silo. I know that there's cost pressures.
But if you can eat butter, it's better for you. Sorry, Berry.
Any oils other than nut olive or coconut ors are
just a poor choice and promote inflammation, which is responsible
for age related degeneration as well as many other diseases.
Take the high ground, Heather, Oh, I will Heather eat

(41:02):
New Zealand clean, safe, natural, real butter from Kevin Matta
Matta Farmer, Heather, never use shite butter. You're eating it,
aren't you. No, No, I'm not gonna eat it. No,
I don't want to have that inflammation that old mate
was talking about just a second ago. Anyway, let's talk
about business class and the all blacks necks with the
Boss of Ends at our quarter past Vivle Cinema. The
Lorel Group French Film Festival is back from May twenty

(41:25):
seven to June twenty eight and it's grown to become
the most important French winter event in New Zealand. Now
every year, the Loreal Group French Film Festival brings you
the best of and most exciting French cinema from around
the French speaking world. It's from Ketty Ketty to Dunedin.
There are twenty four centers across New Zealand, set to
take you on an incredible journey through cinema. Francis carefully

(41:45):
curated to tell rich stories, showcase fresh perspectives and capture
the unmistakable Joan de Ville of French cinema. The twenty
four films in this year's program truly has something for
every cinephile. The Loreal Group French Film Festival Altsi at
or A twenty twenty five six is a perfect winter's
escape for you, So check out the lineup at French
Film Festival dot co dot z. That's French Film Festival

(42:07):
dot co dot z togever do for Zellan eighteen past five.
Now there is a call for New Zealand Rugby to
consider dropping the all Blacks and all the premium teams
back from business class into premium economy to save money.
Dropping all the teams in black back a class would
save six million dollars a year, which would almost wipe
out the seven million dollar loss in the last financial
year for ZIDA. Steve Lancaster is Inzida's CEO. Hi Steve, Hi,

(42:30):
Heather Steve. This is silly, isn't it. I mean, you
can't have two meta long men sitting in premium economy
for a trip to South Africa.

Speaker 23 (42:37):
Can you excuse the pun, but it would be a
bit of a stretch.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
It would be hard. But even if, like to be fair,
even if they aren't enormous men, even just you're asking
somebody to do a job, you're flying them literally halfway
around the world. You've got to put them in business class,
don't you.

Speaker 23 (42:52):
That's right, and we're not just doing it once. Right,
the All Blacks carry a huge load for us, and
not just applying for the All Blacks, but of course
they play and super Rugby through the first part of
the year as well, and so we're not just sending
them halfway across the world and need putting them there.
We're traveling them, flying them multiple times over long distances.
So yeah, this is not this is not a consideration
for us.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Are there any teams who you have that don't fly
in business class?

Speaker 3 (43:17):
Yep.

Speaker 23 (43:17):
So our amateur teams don't fly in business class. There
are times when our SEVENS programs don't. So we have
a we have a budget for the SEVENS program and
once that's tapped out in ters of them traveling business class,
then we have a conversation with them in the RPA
about what what class they travel to make that.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
So would amateur include the under twenties.

Speaker 23 (43:34):
Yeah, the under twenties. It also includes the under eighty
fives who have just returned from Sri Lanka traveled economy
Maori all blacks, Mario all blacks, and that, and that
group is.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
All travel economy as well.

Speaker 23 (43:44):
I know premium, So we have a mixed right across
the teams of economy, premium, economy, business class, depending.

Speaker 7 (43:48):
On the team.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
You guys, though, must be seeing that this is costing
an enormous amount of money now, like even more than normal.
So is it true that you're you're pursuing a deal
with maybe Emirates to try and get a contra.

Speaker 23 (44:00):
I don't want to talk about any of our commercial arrangements,
but to your comment that we are spending an enormous
amount of money, that's true. We are seeing the cost
of IF is going up and up and up, and
we're monitoring that. But we've just got to balance that
with our business needs and not make needy reactions that
might have a performance consequence.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Are you maybe sending too many people overseas? I mean,
in some cases like hog is, how big is the
squad that you're sending to South Africa players and then
non players?

Speaker 23 (44:26):
Well, there'll be forty four players and then the management
group's going to be around twenty five or so I should.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Too many, isn't it?

Speaker 23 (44:34):
Seven games? They're playing midweek games? So right when in
terms of players, we know that even if no one
gets injured, we're going to have to manage them across
that campaign. And having that many players to manage you
need you need an extra physio. You know, you need
extra com stuff like a tour of that magnitude Just
inceas are keeping people fit, healthy and on song requires
more support.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Hey, listen, thank you for coming and appreciate it. Thanks
having me Steve Lancaster ins in our CEO. It's not
going to happen. They're not going to be sitting next
to you in cattle class, so we'll all just have
to dream.

Speaker 11 (45:04):
On five twenty one, hard Questions, Strong opinion, pay the
duplicy el and drive with One.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
New Zealand Tanda Power of Satellite Mobile News Doorg said
be Heather.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
I hope that Katie Brad forgets the TVs head political job.
I like her and I trust it's the shares the
business A. We're very lucky to have her five twenty four.
Now we need to talk about why Tucky District Council
and the fact that they're considering raising rates by forty
five percent. You'll have seen this pop up this morning.
Story's actually been going on for a few days now,
and if you've been following this story, you'll know that
there were originally four options that Wittucky District Council considered

(45:38):
nine percent rates increase, nineteen percent, twenty seven percent, or
forty five percent. They decided not to go public with
the nine percent, and they decided to only open up
the consultation on the three most extreme options, because, let's
be honest, nineteen percent as your rates increase in one
go is crazy, twenty seven percent is crazy, a forty
five percent is off the reservation. By my calculations, at

(46:02):
forty five percent increase, they are asking rate payers to
go from paying on average about thirty seven hundred dollars
in their rates bills annually to about to close to
fifty four hundred dollars, So from three thousand, seven hundred
to five thousand, four hundred roughly, that is a seventeen
hundred dollar seventeen hundred increase just in one go like that.
That's nutty. I mean, if that doesn't tell you that

(46:23):
councils have absolutely no appreciation of the fact that they're
forcing people to sell their houses by ratcheting up their
rates bill, nothing will. And if that doesn't tell you
that counselors have no understanding of the value of money,
nothing will. Clearly they're not going to do forty five percent, right,
They're only putting it out there to scare people into
understanding how expensive councils are to run. And that's true.
But this is ridiculous. This makes the council look ridiculous

(46:46):
because this is a council that blew half a million
dollars on designing and rolling out some squiggly lines for
its rebranding last year. It has got ten marketing and
comm stuff for a population of only twenty five thousand people.
It pays more than half of stuff over a hundred
one thousand dollars. Nearly a quarter of the staff there
are either in management or in comms, not frontline at all. Now,
this council might have been trying to point out to

(47:07):
people that running a council is expensive, but what it
has done instead is has just helped the government. Isn't
it help the government's argument that councils needs need a
ratescap to rain them in, because forty five percent in
one go.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
I mean, come on, Heather, due to see Allen.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Now, I've got a case where if the guy gets
named suppression it would be an outrage. So the guy's
just been going, he's just got he's actually gone through
the court system. He was charged for trying to film
a sex worker while he was with her in the brothel.
The woman noticed he was touching his ray ban metaglasses
and then a light came on and he was basically
trying to film her without her realizing what was going on,

(47:43):
but she clocked it. So he ended up getting charged,
and he went to court and he pleaded guilty, and
he's now been discharged without conviction. So it's essentially got
away with at Scott free. Maybe it's the first defense.
I don't know. Anyway, This week he asked the North
Shore District Court to permanently suppress his name because he
says if his name comes out, he might lose his
software engineering job. Now, the Free Speech Union points out

(48:05):
that is not what name suppression is for. Name suppression
is supposed to prevent extreme hardship, losing your job and
being shamed in public for being a bit of a
weird guy. Is it's not extreme hardship, is it? This
happens to people all the time, People do dumb staff
their name girts out there. It's not extreme hardship. And

(48:26):
you could also argue that actually it's in the public
interest for this chap's name to be out there so
that other women because they keep they keep registers at brothels, right,
so other people in brothels can see, Oh, here comes
old ray Bands. What makes sure he takes his glasses off?
And other women just in the workplace can be like, oh,
look he's got his glasses on, or creep o, he's
got his glasses on. Don't you think I mean it
will be an outrage if he got name suppression. Anyway,

(48:48):
Free Speech Union will keep an eye on it, and
so will we will keep you posted.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
The day's newspakers. Talk to Heather first, Heather.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Du for the Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and
the power of Satellite Mobile New Sor said Bee.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Moment on the Witch guys who are threatening to downgrade us.
Next to you that the ones who've put us on
a negative outlook, they're actually in the country at the moment.
We'll catch up with one of them after six o'clock
and like hands up host, surprise that Keir Starmer has
stared everybody down. I am Anyway, We'll catch up with

(49:28):
Kay Oliver, who's in as our UK correspondent, in about
an hour and a quarter's time, twenty four away from six. Now,
how's this for a few things that we probably didn't expect?
Apparently we key we's like to shop local, even when
there is a cheaper office a cheaper option. Is a
new report by light Speed which says that forty percent
of US are shopping at local stores. Thirty four percent
of US are buying from local websites. Retail New Zealand

(49:50):
chief executive Carolyn Young is with us. Hi, Carolyn, Hi,
hither how are you going to be here? I'm very
pleased you with us? Okay, So let's look at these numbers.
It sounds good, but does it mean that the remaining
numbers are shopping from are buying from foreigners? So, for example,
forty percent of US are buying from local stores. Does
that mean sixty percent of buying from foreign owned stores.

Speaker 24 (50:11):
That would mean that it's executive summary, yes, but not
necessarily all of their purchases.

Speaker 7 (50:17):
It would mean that you know, people will.

Speaker 24 (50:20):
Be buying, they'll be mixing that hour, yeah, yeah, mixing
up and some some will be you know, might be five.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Percent, some might be thirty percent.

Speaker 24 (50:27):
Right, So it's really about, you know, what we want
to encourage is that sense of loyalty to our community
that love your high street. You know, what's your local
store in the suburb that you live and that you
really love, and you know that your neighbors kids have
worked there, or your kids have worked.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
There, or you worked there.

Speaker 7 (50:45):
You know.

Speaker 24 (50:45):
It's that sort of thing about how do we connect
to local? So having more of that and being really
proud of New Zealand would be really important steps forward
for us.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
And I was also really fascinated by the numbers that
show that the majority of us are still wanting to
shop in stores. So seventy six percent in a home
where is success, four percent of clothing saxsty Tude for
Health and Beauty. How is that tracking over time?

Speaker 7 (51:05):
Though?

Speaker 24 (51:07):
Well, look, obviously you know over time, we have seen
a move to online, but New Zealander is predominantly buy
in stall. Now there's a couple of reasons for that.
One is that we are a smaller country and we
do know people in store and we do like to
go in and connect with them. And I think the
interesting thing that the research showed, of course, was that
you know, the more personal the item, the more likelihood

(51:27):
you're going to go in store, rather than if it's
a functional item that you buy on a regular basis,
you know the style or size or whatever it might be,
whether it's you know, multi itamins or something like that.
But what we do know in terms of purchase is
that people have started to buy online. And the online

(51:48):
is a really important part for retail. And the most
important part is actually because we know that everyone goes
on the majority of people go online first when they're
thinking about buying something, they go online to see what
there is available.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
Now that does.

Speaker 24 (52:03):
Convert someone some people to buy online and that spot,
but others will have a short list, they'll go in
store and they'll be really clear about what it is
they want. They'll say, look, I saw this online, I
wanted to see it in this size, and this color
do you let that? And so that's also the piece
that they're leaning into, where you know, there is an
expectation moving forward that stores would be able to show

(52:25):
the volume and colors and all of those sorts of
things that that might be held in what stocks held
in stores. So it enables enhances your ability to purchase, right,
So yeah, really important.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
I'm also the whole thing is quite fascinating. Ninety nine
point seven percent of local businesses or absorbing costs rather
than passing them on. They can't do that much longer.
I would have thought, can they? They cannot do that
much longer.

Speaker 24 (52:48):
No, And because it's not just the cost of getting
freak getting goods to your business, because you've got freight
coming in, you've got freight going out. We've heard that,
you know, people have got increased prices on their rubbish collection,
increased prices on their recycling collection. Anything where someone's delivering
or picking up from your store, there's increased prices. And

(53:08):
you know, we know rates have gone up, insurance has
gone up, wages have gone up, all of those things.
And we know that businesses are struggling with cash flow
and that ird are being really vigilant about ensuring they're paid,
and so our messages to retailers are to be really
aware of margins and that make sure you pay the
IRD because they can close you down pretty quickly. If

(53:31):
you can't afford to pay them, talk to them, get
a payment pain put in place. Ensure that you can
survive this difficult time so that when we come right
that you're still there. And you know, if you have
to put up prices, you know we're talking about you know,
looking at a fuel charge where it's temporary reviewable. You know,
it's based on the increased costs that you're seeing, rather

(53:53):
than baking a price and having it just to like
a blanket increase in prices. What is the the what
is the cost of this Middle East crisis to your business?
And how do you cover that for this period of
time and then bring that back off when it's no
longer there.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Very good advice, Carolyn, Thank you very much. Caroline Young,
Retail New Zealand Chief Executive. It's twenty away from six the.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
Huddle with New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Southby's International Realty, a name you can trust locally and globally.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
On the huddle with us this evening we have fellow
Riley Iron Duke Partners and former Business New Zealand chief
executive and Jack Tame who's the host of Saturday Mornings
and Q and A. Lads. Welcome here. All right, Phil,
are you impressed with a fiscal restraint from the government?
And I am being sarcastic.

Speaker 25 (54:32):
By the way, I'm not being sarcistic and saying is she.
I thought they could have used it as an excuse
to push out the surplus another year and they didn't.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
So you know, nice's breathing down your neck and moodies.

Speaker 25 (54:47):
Well, exactly, no, they're right. I mean they're under pressure,
of course. But now also I think what they're doing
is setting up a bit of a political thing where
they say, well, we're not going to spend anything that
labor's doing. They're going to spend some more. You know,
tell me how incredible that is. And so I thought
that was politics of it.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
Of course.

Speaker 25 (55:01):
The other thing that I thought was interesting was the
Prime Minister talking about security and resilience in terms of
in terms of the you know, the monetary position of
the government. I think that's actually that's technically all around
the world. But the first time I've seen a Prime
minister in New Zealand in the last few years use
it quite that bluntly. You know, the world's a dangerous place,
that's getting hard for us. We need to make sure
we're being responsible with the day. And I thought that

(55:22):
was actually quite a sensible, clever thing for him to say,
because I think that's what the public will be feeling too.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Do you think that that's going to like, are people
going to follow the logic on that? Is that going
to work well?

Speaker 25 (55:32):
Because it sets them up the capacity to attack the
other side when they say we're going to spend some
more money on this or you know, do something else there.
And I saw, you know, Crs Sipkins the other day
saying the government's not doing enough around the fuel crisis,
and that leads into you know, well, what are you
going to do? You're going to spend some more are well?
You know, we're in a uncertain world. So you can
see them setting up the debate to attack any other
spending that's being promised by other parties.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Okay, Jack, what do you think.

Speaker 12 (55:55):
I think we have a structful deficit and a government
that came to power bombs to improve our fiscal situation. Ultimately,
they have borrowed more money than they said they would borrow. Ultimately,
they have pushed out their path to surplus a couple
of years. They even changed the accounting measure by which
they record.

Speaker 13 (56:12):
Whether or not they're getting to surplus. So I think
if you were.

Speaker 12 (56:15):
To compare their position today with the position they promisedbly
would be in when they were about to come to power,
they are pretty distinct. That being said, would be unreasonable
for any of us to suggest that the state of
the world doesn't require some pretty serious thinking. I actually
think there is a really big opportunity for any political
party to go into no end of election talking about resilience.

(56:35):
You've already seen this across the ditch, but I think
resilience could be a central theme for policy platforms for
our big parties going to the election. I actually think
it will be really popular.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Yeah, but what resilience resilience on the energy electricity market?

Speaker 25 (56:48):
I think you can look at resilience and all.

Speaker 12 (56:50):
I think it can guide lots of things. So I
think energy absolutely, I think security absolutely. I mean the
stuff obviously costs money. It's where the government's going to
find itself in the tricky position although obviously there's a
bit of difference between capital spending and operational spending. But
I think if they wanted to undertake some pretty bold
capital projects around stuff like energy, now is the time

(57:13):
that they could do it, and they would be more
likely to have support from the public for some really
big capital projects because people could see, actually, we can't
rely on the world being the kind of benign strategic
environment that has been for the last two year, three years.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Somebody was somebody had dinner with me recently and was
saying to me, the word sustainability has been replaced by
the word resilience as kind of the thing that everybody
harps on about.

Speaker 25 (57:35):
Was that you Phil It was me, don't you remember
the dinners we have here?

Speaker 2 (57:40):
No I do?

Speaker 12 (57:41):
And as he was inspiring.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
You, isn't fair harping, is what I do? You were
simply eloquently explaining a concept to me.

Speaker 25 (57:52):
That's right, Well, this is the point that you know,
we worry about. The buzz word used to be sustainability.
And I used to say to people, if you want
to be persuasive, certainly with Cindra musicament, just say sustainable
a lot. It was became a buzz word it was
really quite ridiculous actually, and I'm more for sustainability, don't.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
Get me wrong.

Speaker 25 (58:09):
What that's been replaced with is actually the word resilience,
and at least much the same stuff. Actually it leads to,
you know, we need a more resilient environment, we need
a more resilient response to climate change and so on.

Speaker 13 (58:19):
And actually it actually I.

Speaker 25 (58:20):
Think unites people a bit more because they can see
it in their face. You know, what's the solution to
what's tepning in Australia for moves Well, at least part
of it is to make sure that we electrofi our
economy more quickly, you know, which is the same saying sustainability.
So I think that the conversation is becoming a lot
more grounded, and I agree with Jack. Actually, resilience is
a big word all around the world, not just in
New Zealand, as we've seen in Australia in the last

(58:41):
day or two. I think any government saying we need
to be resilient, and that includes government spending, that includes
giving ourselves a bit of a war chest if things
continue to go wrong around the world, I think that
will resonate and and anybody's not using those words left
to justify why not?

Speaker 2 (58:54):
All right, we'll take a break, come back to you
go shortly quarter too.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
The Huddle with New Zealands so International Realty the only
truly global brand.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Thirteen we're actually really twelve away from sixty year back
of the Huddle, Jack Tayman, philow Riley, Jack, what do
you make of the forty five percent increase from white taking?

Speaker 13 (59:11):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (59:12):
Do you know?

Speaker 12 (59:13):
I received multiple emails from residents in Yachy today saying
can you believe this? Let's be totally clear at the moment,
it's a proposal, right, and it's the highest of the
three options. But I would have thought if the Waitsaking
Counselors were looking to give the strongest argument for amalgamation
possible to their rate payers, they have done it.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
By introducing this.

Speaker 12 (59:32):
I mean, forty five percent is extraordinary, especially given when
you consider that the rate rises have had over the
last couple of years. Yes, water infrastructure costs a lot. Yes,
this might be a good example of a council that
in the past hasn't necessarily maintained levels and so they're
trying to make up for things on that front. But
forty five percent is not going to be a goer,
and I am not surprised to see residents revolting.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
I mean, this is phil and I understand what they're
trying to do, right, They're trying to explain to people
that is expensive to pay for the infrastructure. But I
think this is backfired on them. What do you think?

Speaker 25 (01:00:04):
I quite agree and I'm completely agree with Jack. Obviously,
if I'm a resident of White Tech, you I'll be saying, well,
where's the email offamation? Then this is ridiculous. We need
to spread the cost of these things over a much
bigger population. It's also, of course going to just feed
into the narrative around rates caps. You know, the government
rights talking about registation and rates camping, and I actually
don't think that will work, Essue.

Speaker 13 (01:00:23):
I mean, I'm.

Speaker 25 (01:00:24):
Obviously that's going to work. But nevertheless, you can see
why it's so popular and this sort of thing happens, right,
So I think, what wayteching needs to do get on
and try and save themselves instead of wanting for the
government to do it to them. If I was there,
might be out there right now talking to other councils
and that part of that part of the country, but
saying hey, let's can we get together here and save
some money, because if you can't do that, then what

(01:00:45):
you're going to see is a death spiral in that
part of the country, and you're seeing.

Speaker 13 (01:00:49):
It in Wellington.

Speaker 25 (01:00:50):
I think the fact that the council has been putting
up the rates so excessively over the last few years
is definitely contributing to the hollowing out of Wellington. Businesses
just don't want to be here. People can't afford howsing
here because of the rights of insurance here, you know.
So I think the council has a real need and
a role to make the place that they are in
livable and White Techy's not doing that. So, you know,

(01:01:11):
with the best rule in the world, they just got
to sort that out to start again.

Speaker 12 (01:01:14):
But here's the problem with the voluntary amalgamation. Why would
the councils neighboring White Tucky hear us talking right now
and go forty five percent rates increase? Oh yeah, let's
join up with those guys intended for those councils, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Yeah, this is where the government retains the ability to
force the thing right and they have to jack. What
do you think about this idea of bumping the All
Blacks back from business class.

Speaker 12 (01:01:36):
Bad call, bad call.

Speaker 25 (01:01:39):
No, it's such a bad call.

Speaker 13 (01:01:40):
We need the All Blacks to win.

Speaker 12 (01:01:42):
I actually think I was thinking, like, what what is
a reasonable middle ground given the state of afairs at
the moment they're given the state of New Zealand Rugby's box.
First of all, I think the All Blacks have to
fly business class. I don't know that the sevens teams
and the underage teams necessarily needed to fire business class.
I know that they've got kind of different players association
agreements there. I don't think they need to. But I

(01:02:03):
think the All Blacks and the Blacks and should be
flying business class. How about when they fly home, maybe
maybe we put them in premium economy here.

Speaker 13 (01:02:13):
Is that a comm the management could go for.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
They come back and they play here as well, or
they come back for a quick wrist and they're off
somewhere for the long haul flights.

Speaker 12 (01:02:23):
So yeah, I mean it depends if it's if they're
going on the European tour at the end of the year,
do we put them in row seventy six.

Speaker 25 (01:02:33):
If they lose. If they lose, they go economy. If
they when they come first class.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
It's all about intends.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Yeah, that might work. I'll tell you what, though, Phil,
I reckon that they do have to revise how many
people they're taking. I mean, it's a fifteen man game
and they're taking forty four players and what was it,
thirty five.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
Staff or something.

Speaker 13 (01:02:49):
You do.

Speaker 25 (01:02:49):
You don't need every you don't need every physio and
every sort of press person and every marketing person and
someone to fly up there with them. And maybe they don't.
Actually maybe I'm maybe I'm making things unfair for them.
Another reason, though, there's another reason the heather. You don't
want them flying economy or premium economy. I sat next
to a super rugby player and an a three to
twenty the other day going from I think walking to Wellings,
and I think it was he was right.

Speaker 7 (01:03:10):
Next to me.

Speaker 25 (01:03:10):
I'm quite a big guy and he is a massive guy,
and it made it made my back sore by the
end because he was crowding out my seat. So I
want them to fly business class so they don't have
to sit back next to me at the back of
the plane and make my job, make my chetney uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
No, that's quite right. You don't want any of them
sitting next to you. Thank you very much, guys, appreciate
and enjoy your evening. That is fellow Riley and Jack Tamarhuddle.
Eight away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
It's the Heather duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast
on iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk Z'B.

Speaker 9 (01:03:39):
Heather.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
It's five to five to six, Heather. I've just been
crunching the numbers on the All Black travel using the
touring dates to South Africa and fifty seats in business
class twelve thousand dollars each is six hundred thousand dollars, sorry,
six hundred thousand dollars plus the you've got the additional
twenty support staff at premium economy that's seven thousand dollars each.
That's one hundred and thirty eight thousand dollars, or if
you put them in economy it's three thousand, one hundred

(01:04:00):
dollars each at sixty two thousand dollars, So flying the
All Blacks to South Africa costs about seven hundred thousand dollars.
That's if no discount is applied, and this is prior
to any accommodation wages and other associated costs. James thanks
for doing the numbers. It's extraordinary, a like it is
really really expensive. The Trump Tower on the Gold Coast
is not happening. That's no surprise to anyone. We all

(01:04:20):
knew that was never going to happen. Each side this.
I'm sure that it was only announced in December, but
I could be wrong, but it didn't last very long.
Each sides are giving different reasons for it. So the
people at Trump Organizations say the Australian developer called David
Young was unable to meet the most by basic financial
obligation due upon the execution of the agreement, he will

(01:04:41):
been paying his bills basically, And David Young says problem
is that with the Iran War and everything else, the
Trump brand had become increasingly toxic in Australia. But then again,
you could say the Trump brand's been increasingly toxic and
Australia since twenty sixteen. So it probably is material that
David Young hasn't submitted a development application for the site
and he's been bankrupted twice already, so draw your own conclusions,

(01:05:02):
as they say. Now, the Maori Queen has met with
Prince William at Windsor Castle and the one thing I
would say about the Mary Queen is she has taken
like she she dresses well, ah, like she has taken
the sartorial level of the Maori monarchy, upper notch like.
I don't even think her grandmother dressed this well. Her

(01:05:23):
dad definitely did it. So she had on some a
really nice, nice dark navy dress, a bit of a
bat wings situation. She had her arms kind of by
her side so you couldn't see, but it was a
folding going on that suggested maybe some batwings which is
a nice little thing. Long sweet sleeves that went past
her wrists and then a bit of a split up
to her wrists show a bit of her tattoo. She
had a dress down to midcalf, which was classy I thought,

(01:05:45):
classy little pointed shoe as well. And as Sam pointed out,
Sam the producer has a real eye for women's clothes,
and he's and and women's women's upkeep, and he said
she had a beautiful baby pink manicure going on, and
upon closer expect inspecture, we all decided that was a
classy little finger that she had also. But what we
couldn't figure out though, was whether her handbag was actually

(01:06:07):
a clutch or a little kitty, like a little little
white woven kitty with like a tassel. There was a
tassel situation on it. It was like a tassel pearly
thing going on. So it was all kind of a
little bit confusing. But the whole look like she she
did she did well, she did well, she did well,
well done her. She looked classy, looked like she belonged.

(01:06:29):
She looked like, yeah, like royalty meeting royalty, which is
in fact what was going on. Fitch is going to
be with us next and talk us through what they
worried about and how likely a downgrade is for us
next year. On the Credit News togs that.

Speaker 8 (01:06:40):
Beat, What's up, what's down?

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
What were the major case and how will it affect
the economy?

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
The big business questions on the Business Hour with the
Heather dupic Allen and mas Insurance and Investments, Your Futures,
a good Hands, New Stalks.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
B even in coming up in the next hour, We're
going to have a chat term Milford Asset Management about
this Titanic meeting between President Trump and g and what
the financial markets are expecting from this. Bryce Edwards on
what chance the Opportunities Party actually has at the selection
and we'll also go to the UK on the Starma drama.
Seven past six. Now, New Zealand's international credit rating is
reaching something of a tipping point. So far this year,

(01:07:34):
both Moody's and Fitch have downgraded the country's financial outlook
to negative. Fitch's top analysts are in the country at
the moment. We've got one of them, Thomas Rookmaker is
Fitch as head of Asia Pacific sovereigns. Hi, Thomas, Hey,
what is the thing that you're worried about? Is in
our country's debt?

Speaker 13 (01:07:52):
Well, So in March we changed the outlook on New
Zealand's novel AT class rating to negative from stable. And yeah.
Reason for it is basically that a substantial reduction of
government that is becoming more and more difficult to envisage.
Fiscal consolidation has been delayed in the past few years

(01:08:14):
and New Zealand has faced a number of shocks. Now
the latest energy shock from the war in the Middle
East and general government that the GDP has risen substantially
over the past few years, by almost thirty percentage points
since twenty nineteen. This used to be well below the
medium of New Zealand's spears in the double A category,

(01:08:39):
but now it's above the peer medium, which indicates that
a relative strength has basically become a weakness.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Okay, so how much would you see what would you
like to see how it retarded by for you to
feel comfortable.

Speaker 13 (01:08:55):
Yeah, it's more about, Yeah, the trajectory and the basically
confidence in a reduction of the government debt to GDP
over the median turn. So yeah, to what extent will
there be policies after the elections that would give us

(01:09:16):
confidence that, yeah, friscal consolidation would take place and the
government debt to GDP ratio would fall.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
How do you rate the chances? I mean, I can't
see anything, Thomas. This government has been in power for
three years, has continued to ratchet up the debt, has
not really indicated any kind of fiscal consolidation and certainly
no paying down to the debt, and I cannot see
anything that will realistically become government policy after the election
that will bring down the debt. So if you take
that all into account, what are the chances you think

(01:09:49):
that we actually get downgraded next year?

Speaker 13 (01:09:52):
Yeah? Well, the negative outlook indicates that there is a
significant chance. You Zealand has a strong pre pandemic track
record of fiscal consolidation and debt production. You may recall
the yeah, you know that, the fiscal spending following the
earthquake in christ Church, and yeah, subsequently the fiscal consolidation

(01:10:18):
that led to yeah too, relatively low government debt. Yeah,
but yeah, the main question is to what extent that
has structurally changed.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Well, I'm locking in a downgrade next year, would I
be wrong?

Speaker 13 (01:10:36):
Well, the outlook is negative, so it indicates that there
is a chance of a downgrade.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
Yeah, thank you, Hey, I appreciate it. Thomas Ruchmarker Fitch,
head of Asia Pacific Sovereigns. Right, let me give you
the numbers. N z X fifty is down zero point
one three percent today, A six fifty is down zero
point seven two percent so far to a barrel of
brink crude is now costing one hundred and six US dollars.
That it's down a couple of percentage points almost or
really maybe one and a half. Today one New Zealand

(01:11:04):
dollar is worth fifty nine USNS eighty two. Ozzie sends
fifty one eurosens forty four UK Pencer ninety four. Yen, Now,
do you know what I love is an old wives tale?
And do you know why I love an old wives tale?
Because an old wives tale always turns out to be true.
Eventually you go, NA, it's not. But eventually there will
be some researcher somewhere around the world who will have

(01:11:27):
way too much government money, and we'll go, maybe I
should look into whether it's true that actually cranberry stop
ut eyes, and then they will and then they'll prove
it to be true, because that's what's just happened. Researchers
in Canada have proved that Cranberry's may in fact help
ward off urinary tract infections. Components of cranberry juice appear
to help bacteria to absorb more of the antibiotic foz foxmycin,

(01:11:48):
which is commonly prescribed to treat UTIs, which potentially boosts recovery.
Would you like some more old wives tales that are
in fact true? Cold damp weather does in fact make
your joints ache. It's not just the old people making
up stories. They think. It's probably because of changes in
barometric pressure, which affects your pain. Also, people tend to
be less active in inclement weather and moving around actually

(01:12:09):
helps your joints to you know, just ease as the
suffering a wee bit so the combination of the two
of them. They don't think it's rain that's the problem
so much. It's damp and windy days that have the
biggest adverse effect. It is true that if you have
puffy eyes, you should use cold tea bags. There is
an eye hospital called the Moorfield's Eye Hospital where the
experts reckon if you lie back, put a tea bag

(01:12:31):
cold one. Please, don't want to scold your eyeballs. Don't
want to scold your lids. Put a cold tea bag
on each eye bags I bags. Lie back and give
it about ten minutes and you'll come out looking beautiful
like a supermodel. It is also true that a hot
tea will cool you down. People and people in Africa
and India will tell you this. They'll say, if you're

(01:12:52):
too hot, have a hot drink, you'll cool down. Because
what happens is the hot drinks raise your body temperature.
Nerves in your digestive track react to it by stimuliding
the brain to produce more sweat, and when the sweat evaporates.
What happens you cool down? Cool a. There's more where
that came from. I'll run you through some more in
a minute thirteen past.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
It's the Heather Duper Cell and Drive Full Show podcast
on my Heart Radio powered by Newstalk ZEBBI.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
We all do it, don't we. We overthink the big things,
the job security, the mortgage rates that lump in our neck,
and we overthink the little things as well. What night
has Bin's night wise cheese become a luxury item. But
as a member of this New Zealand grown member owns mutual,
you can reast easy knowing that your future is in
good hands. MAS is an insurance and investment mutual which
has been putting their members worries to bed for over
one hundred years, and this year, which is by the way,

(01:13:40):
the tenth year in a row, MAS members have voted
them consumer People's choice for house contents and car insurance.
MAS offers premium insurance and investment products, expert advice and
exceptional service, all with your needs at heart. So whether
you want to grow your wealth or protect your future,
MAS has got you covered. Join the thousands of satisfied
members who trust maths to protect what matters most. Future

(01:14:00):
is in good hands with maz Visit Masmas dot co dot.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
NZ, Heather Duplessy Allen.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Seventeen parsis, Heather, the hot tea in the Zambizi Valley
in summer is exactly right. And the Harliccks Harlicks before bed.
Do you believe in standby? I'll give you that fact
as well. Jeremy Hutton Milfit Asset Management is with us. Hello, Jeremy.

Speaker 23 (01:14:20):
Good evening, Heather.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
Now what are the financial markets expecting from that Trump
meeting in China?

Speaker 26 (01:14:27):
Yeah, Trump President G meeting is a heavyweight bolt at
the best of times, but the stakes are a little
bit higher this time for the global economy, particularly on
the Iran subject. Now, financial markets, there is a little
bit of an interesting disconnect happening at the moment. I mean,
you've got the equity market booming in the US, but
oil prices are still going up and US bond yields

(01:14:50):
are increasingly getting into nervous territory. So normally these react
inversely to one another, so potentially something has to give
here soon. The equity market. I mean, it's taking the
view that the Trump G meeting will be positive for
some of the differences in Iran and perhaps leading to

(01:15:10):
some sort of de escalation, but in my view it's
still unlikely to provide a clean solution to the crisis.
And then the bond market, it's probably more reflecting the
reality and what we're seeing in the energy market and
the messiness of higher inflation and that potentially sticking around
for a while. So the a boom rages on, but

(01:15:31):
the wider market and the global economies will be taking
their next queue from the outcome of this meeting. On
Friday morning. New Zealand time.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
Okay, now, talk to me about the Aussie budget. That's
created some big moves on the stock market over there,
hasn't it.

Speaker 26 (01:15:45):
Yeah, it has, And there were some big, big changes
in the Australian federal budget, and in particular the market
focus has been on the removal of the negative gearing
for investment properties and we did see some dramatic moves
on the exchange today, especially a al off in real
estate exposed sectors and the banks as well. But Commonwealth

(01:16:06):
Bank or CBA, that that has captured the attention and
unfortunately today it lost the prize of Australia's largest listed
company and the share price was down over ten percent today,
so and that was a decrease of over twenty five
billion Australian dollars. What happened here? You know, CBA it
is the most the bank a most exposed to the

(01:16:26):
investor segment, and that's expected to be hit pretty hard
with the negative negative gearing removal. So now BHP, the
very large iron ore minor, has now retaken the most
valuable company spot on the Aussie exchange.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
All right, Now, what's going on in the UK with
the financial market there in kiir Stara, Yeah.

Speaker 26 (01:16:46):
Posts those UK regional elections and the corresponding Labor Party instability.
The main impact has been on the on the bond market.
UK bond market or gilts as they're nine as the
ten year guilt, that's risen steadily above the concerning five
percent level, and in effect it's higher than when I
had a bit of a meltdown post that Liz Truss

(01:17:08):
budget a few years ago. But effectively the market views
Starmer and Chancellor Rachel Reeves and their fiscal rules as
a stabilizing force for the bond market and sort of
any view's potential move leftwood in the Labor Party or
the loosening of those fiscal rules could be very negative
for the bond market, but the equity market in the UK,

(01:17:30):
the S and P five one hundred sorry sorry, the
FOOTS one hundred had a very strong year and twenty
twenty five, despite plenty of negative news out of the UK,
I was up twenty one percent. But I expect a
few wobbles potentially if that political instability drags on.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
Ye good stuff. Hey, thanks for running us through at
Jeremy as always Jeremy Hutton, Milford Asset Management. Not a
flash day for Spark. Jarden analysts have downgraded Spark. The
analysts Ari Deca and Grant Low lowered their twelve month
target price today. They had it at two dollars forty seven.
It's down to two dollars twenty seven. Downgraded Spark from
neutral to overweight to neutral rather from overweight. They say

(01:18:07):
they have concerns about the company's earnings momentum and the
challenging economic environment, and they don't see very much prospect
for revenue or earnings growth.

Speaker 11 (01:18:15):
Six twenty one, Everything from SMEs to the big corporates.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
The Business Hour with Heather, the duplicy alt and Mass
insurance and investments, your futures in good hands.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
Used talks that'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
Heather are A cup of warm milk and half a teaspoon
of sugar before bed helps you sleep. It definitely works
for me.

Speaker 17 (01:18:33):
Lynn.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
You're not imagining it. It's true. A mug of warm
milk will help you to sleep better because it's got
something in it. This is the milk called trip to Fan,
which has very mild sleep promoting properties. And there are
specific milk peptides which may help to relieve stress and
enhance sleep before bedtime in a similar way to sedative medications.
So if you're do in the old harlics, harlics, I

(01:18:56):
love the harliccks. What was that flavor? Was that malt?

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
That was a good time. In fact, I hold on,
I'm writing it on my hand. Harlics. I reckon. I
might have some haulics at home. I'm gonna go see
if I can dig out the harlics get onto. What
I'll do is I'm gonna get the Harlcks down from
the shelf, and then I'm gonna put the margarine, the
butter blend that was purchased today. Because I don't know
if you realize there were two butter blends that were purchased,
and with children, I have a choker fridge. As it

(01:19:20):
is like I'm always struggling to find space. I'm going
to take those two butter blends out. Just stick them
on the shelf, just see what happens. We'll come back
to them in five years time. They'll still be fine.
I think so.

Speaker 7 (01:19:29):
Yet.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
The milk cycling does cause a rectile dysfunction because it
causes a microtrauma to the perineum and the loading pressure
that decreases the blood flow of the penis, which results
in temporary genital numbness or cyclists syndrome and men but
it disappears after a while. You don't have to worry
about it too much. Type genes make you infertile. Harvard
says it's true. Taking vitamin C to shorten a cold
is true. Australian National University said that that old wives

(01:19:51):
tail is true. It doesn't stop your cold from arriving,
but it makes it short. Ginger does help to relieve nausea.
There are some bioactive compounds in there that block the
brain signal that trigon nausea. Apple a day keeps the
doctor ways also true drops your cholesterol levels. Also stops
you getting demented, as in dementia. Chicken soup helps you
get over the lurgy, lurky possible anti anti inflammatory stuff

(01:20:14):
going on there, gets rid of the mucus.

Speaker 9 (01:20:16):
How do you like that?

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
So when the old ladies, you know, because I've got
a Jewish neighbor and she sometimes makes us Yiddish chicken soup,
and she goes, oh, you've been sick, would you like
some Yiddish chicken soup? I got apps a bloody lately
because I believe the old wives tales. And now it
turns out science six twenty five.

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
There's this Delta Goodroom. Because I don't know if you
know that Australia has offended everybody by sending Delta Goodroom
to the Eurovision and once again the Eurovisions being controversial
once again because of the Israelis right. This is this
has been going on for three years now, since October seven.
This year's no different. Five countries have boycotted the Eurovision
because of Israel. Spain, Ireland, the Netherlands, Slovenia and Iceland
are sitting it out during Israel's performance yesterday, loud chance

(01:21:00):
could be heard from the crowd shouting pro Palestinian messaging
and those bled over into the TV broadcasts and four
people were removed from the stadium for unruly behavior. But
despite the controversy, Israel to get through to the finals.
So they're up against Belgium, Croatia, Finland, Greece, Lithuania, Moldova, Poland,
Serbia and Sweden. You have to wonder, like that's quite
a long list for the finals, but whatever, they're probably

(01:21:22):
running a sort of you know, like an NCA system.
Everybody achieves, not all drama though. This year's competition also
had some household names. Boy George from Culture Club performed
with the country San Marino. Unfortunately they didn't make it
through to the finals. Australia has put forward Delta. She's
going to be performing at the second round of semi
finals of Friday. This is her song Eclipse John as

(01:21:46):
Past and if you look at the book, he's reckons.
Gudram is expected to land within the top five this year.
Lots of Eurovision nerds think she might actually win this one.
She's not going to let the opportunity go to waste either.
She's just announced her new album Pure Making the Best
out of that Hot Moment, which is out in November.
Good from her. Now you know what happened in November
as well, the election, and maybe it's a big time

(01:22:09):
for the Opportunities Party because Bryce Edwards reckons that this
is their best shot yet at getting across that five
percent threshold. He's with us next to explain when we.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
Are if it's to do with money, it matters to you.
The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and Mas Insurance
and investments, Your futures in good hands, used talks, I'd
be I.

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
No, it's been about food. Keep thinking they're so fun listen.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
I don't know if you're aware of this, but there
has been some international reporting that suggests that the UAE
are actually attacked a Run secretly. Obviously, they apparently attacked
a Run's Lauzanne Island just before the seven aprils hes
fire was announced and it was undertaken his retaliation for
Iranian attacks on UAE facilities. Now that it's been reported,
and it has been reported by the Wall Street Journal,

(01:23:09):
so it's reasonably credible. It does, though open the risk
open the UAE to some risk that if things get
hot again, as they say, it might become one of
the targets in a really big way of Iran's twenty
four away from seven Now question, of course, is read
domestic politics. Is this the year that the Opportunity Party
finally makes it into Parliament? The signs are looking more

(01:23:29):
positive than ever yet have to say Les Mills founder
Philip Mills has doubled down on his donation. He put
fifty thousand dollars in January, then put another fifty thousand
in last month. There is a little bit of chatter
about the possibility of Labor maybe handing the party a
safe seat, and political commentator Bryce Edwards reckons this is
the party's best chance yet and he's with us. Hi, Bryce, Hi, Heather,

(01:23:50):
why do you think it's their best chance yet?

Speaker 27 (01:23:53):
I think there's a bit of a public desire at
the moment for someone other than who's in Parliament at
the moment, So Labor and National just are not really
attracting the votes. People are looking around for a minor party.
There's some people that are quite anti New Zealand first
at the moment. I think there's a bit more sort
of tiredness about them being the king Maker and whatever

(01:24:15):
government you get is kind of reliant on Winston Peters,
and so Top or now they call themselves Opportunity, are
kind of positioning themselves to be the.

Speaker 7 (01:24:24):
Anti Winston Peter's party.

Speaker 27 (01:24:26):
You know, vote for US and Labor or National won't
have to deal with Peters.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
I mean that's not strictly true though, is it, Because
even if they were to get in, you'd probably still
need for a left wing coalition, which is where they
You still need Winston, wouldn't you Labor plus Top Bus Winston.

Speaker 27 (01:24:41):
I think it gives various parties more options. Yeah, it
doesn't necessarily rule out Peters from being in a government,
but it would certainly dilute his power. And so I'm
not sure that this is going to be the winning
formula for Opportunity, but it certainly gives them a bit
more sort of color than they've had in the past,
you know, And I want to have really known what

(01:25:04):
the Top Party are for.

Speaker 7 (01:25:06):
You know, what do they stand for? What? Who are
their voter base? Who are they trying to attract?

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
Well, I still do is doing it properly Bryce, because
they kind of pitch themselves as a centrist party and
then I look at their policies, I go, you're not.
There's like this is up straight up left wing policies economically,
so you know, financially at least. And I wonder if
they should be actually pitching themselves as a better version
of the left wing parties, like not as as radical

(01:25:30):
as the Greens, but not nearly as weird as them,
and also better at doing stuff than the Labor Party.
Isn't that where they should be pitching themselves.

Speaker 27 (01:25:37):
And I wonder if that is actually what they're thinking,
because there's a lot of homeless progressives I think at
the moment who aren't actually that impressed with Labor and
the Greens, but they aren't that keen on the coalition
government at the moment. They think Labor's kind of uninspiring,
has no policies, no charisma, and the Greens are a

(01:25:58):
bit crazy and more concerned with this authentity politics, foreign policy, etc.
And so there's some people on the left or progressives
that actually do want an environmental party, do want a
party with some sort of bold radical policies that change things. Yeah,
So yeah, I think it might appeal to some of
those voters.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
I mean, the question is whether there's enough on the
left they can peel off from those two parties. But
what would help them immeasurably would be if they got
a safe seat. Do you think this idea of Labor
handing them something like Mount Albert is just as somebody's
dreamt this up? Or is this real?

Speaker 27 (01:26:31):
I hear the chatter, but I'm not putting any much
credibility into that. Look, I don't think Labor will want
to be seen to do a dodgy deal. I don't
think they. I mean, they are probably desperate to not
be anchored with the party Mario, especially at the moment,
so that might sort of sharpen their thoughts on this.
But no, they don't give away electorates, and not Albert

(01:26:55):
is a very red electorate. It would be kind of
pretty amazing for them to give away justinder a durn
Helen Clark hold Electric to a center party.

Speaker 7 (01:27:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Unlikely. Okay, So you wrote a really great piece which
I was reading last night, in which you talk about
the possibility that they actually managed to get over the line.
But the difficulty that they've got, as you point out,
is that you have to get like to a credible
point of close to five percent or over it. Otherwise
people don't want to vote for you because they feel
like it's a wasted vote. So how do they get
to that point?

Speaker 27 (01:27:25):
Yeah, it's tricky, isn't It's a psychological thing for a
lot of voters that you know, I don't want to
waste your vote on someone that's only two percent in
the polls. I mean, they've been going up a bit
in recent months and they kind of average out about
two point five percent, but that's just nowhere enough to
give anyone kind of that guarantee that your vote is
worth it. So I'm not sure what the answer is,

(01:27:45):
but I mean they've got a leader now that is
quite impressive, and they've got some other candidates and personnel
that are impressive. But really they need to be a
bit more bold, I think, and not just their policy,
but playing the game a bit more, I guess, and
being showing people what they actually stand for rather than

(01:28:08):
just being kind of policy wonks with some you know,
whiteboards and some vibes about public policy process.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
Yeah, fair enough, listen, I want to get your take
on something that I've been thinking about. This is the
Maori Party, because obviously the Labor Party wants to properly
kill them off at the selection. But if they kill
them off they do, it's a difficult thing to do
because you have to then get as radical. You have
to go really left wing for the Maori seats to
kind of kill off the Maori Party and beat them
at that, But then you still have to retain the
center vote across the general population, which is a tough

(01:28:39):
one to do. I wondered to pot Labor, do you
disagree with me?

Speaker 7 (01:28:44):
I disagree with that.

Speaker 27 (01:28:45):
I think that I think Maray voters in the Marry
electrics aren't necessarily even after radical visions, they really want
a focus on the basics of health, education, jobs, housing,
except and when Labor won those seven seats in twenty seventeen,
they made a queen clean sweep. That's what they focused on.

(01:29:07):
They didn't actually talk about Marie sovereignty or.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
Hasn't the conversation moved on though in the last ten years, Bryson.
Aren't people in those sets maybe up for that kind
of nonsense.

Speaker 27 (01:29:16):
Maybe maybe, but no, I think more than ever people
are really focused on what we might call material politics,
the things that actually a fix you in the back pocket,
and that's you know, I think more so with Mariray
voters than ever before.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
Actually, yeah, interesting, Actually you I think it might be right, Bryce,
Thank you very much. Bryce Edwards, political commentator, eighteen away
from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:29:37):
Together for c Llen.

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
Yeah, so I think I think I think we've nutted
it out for the opportunity. Isn't it is that they
are a left wing party. They need to stop pretending
that they're anything else. Just be a better left wing
party than the nutty Greens and the useless Labor and
then you might get enough votes. Maybe you peel off enough,
especially in the selection, peel off five percent and off
you go. Looks like that p ANDNG that the pup

(01:29:59):
in New Guinea NRL team is targeting the rugby union
players because I didn't realize this, but they actually can't
talk to the NRL players until about November when they
start coming off contract, and that's when they get permission
to talk to NRL players, and that feels like too
far away from them. So instead, what they're doing at
the moment is they can target their rugby union and
they are chap called Travon Pritchard, who plays with the Reds,

(01:30:22):
is considered a teenage sensation like one of Australia's like
superstar kids in Rugby. They're going after him apparently, and
they're also going after his older brother who's a Brumby
center Cayden Prichard. So watch that there'll be the NRL
picking off the Rugby Union guys. Bad news for music lovers.
Another music festival has been canned. This is the Other's Way,

(01:30:43):
which is in Auckland, has been on K Road mean
going since twenty fifteen. They say mounting years of mounting
financial pressure, industry costs, increasing loundstable live music and funding landscape.
And this is the same nonsense that basically everybody is
having to deal with. The young people in this office
tell me that they're sad about this because it was
the country only real block party, like a proper block
party where you could walk from one stage to the

(01:31:05):
other inner town or a city. And last year was
the first year where it actually was what it should
be because they shut down K Road and put up
a stage on K Road. So it's a pity it
reached it reached its full potential and then it didn't
make it past that and go to the UK next
sixteen past seven sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
What approaching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather
duplesy Allen on the Business Hour with mass insurance and investments,
your futures in good hands, used talks.

Speaker 11 (01:31:33):
I'd be Heather.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
I'm a fifty seven year old voter and I like
opportunity and I think I will vote for them. I'm
sick of the same old shite.

Speaker 7 (01:31:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
Well, a lot of people are actually so you. You're
very much on trend at the moment. Thirteen away from
seven k Oliver UK correspondence with US. Hello, okay, Hello Heather.
So is it true that Wes has got a meeting
with Kia before the King's speech?

Speaker 14 (01:31:54):
Well, he has, indeed. I mean the timing is very interesting.
He's going in the world's press, arout and Downey Street. Heather,
I have to say that waiting at the front door.
But the rumor is that the health sector is going
in by the back door because he doesn't want all
these awkward questions thrown at him. What are they going
to talk about? Many people would like to be a
fly on the wall. Is he going to basically back

(01:32:17):
down from what many seers is leadership challenge?

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
Is he going to put up or shut up.

Speaker 14 (01:32:21):
What is going to go on in that conversation today
he might be sacked. He could announce that he's going
for it. But none of this, of course, is going
to be revealed before the King's speech, which happens shortly after. Basically,
I've got Andy Burnham, the mayor of Greater Manchester who's
also in London, another one of Sakir's main contenders, and

(01:32:42):
Angela Rainer, so you know, the plot sickens. Nothing happened
yesterday despite this kind of greater fanfare, and what will
he go? Will he stay? He stayed, He's digging in.
Many of his political rivals are saying, just how long
can he carry on? That he's done life support. We've
also heard today that the unions eleven unions are saying

(01:33:02):
that at some point the Labor Party will have to
put a plan in place to elect a new leader.
So effectively the unions he's lost their support. We really
do wait to see just how long this can go on.
Of course, this all comes in the wake of these
disastrous local authority elections where the Labor Party I think
they lost fifteen hundred councilors across the parts where the

(01:33:25):
elections the local elections were taking place. He's in a
very very difficult situation and people are just wondering how
stubborn can he be? When is the message coming across?
But of course we've got the King's speech and King
Charles the thurb will not want this to be disrupted.
There have been talks between Downing Street and Buckingham Palace.
London is shining because obviously we've got the pomp and

(01:33:48):
ceremony about to take place later on today with the
King's speech.

Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
Now, look, explain to me, why is it if we're
Streeting hares the numbers to trigger something, why hasn't.

Speaker 14 (01:33:57):
He Well, the point is, Heather, we're not quite sure
what the numbers are. How many numbers. There's so much
kind of cloak and dagger stuff going on here. We
know that one hundred one hundred MPs have written supporting
Sekir Starmer, and about ninety have put in letters saying
they don't support him. Now, whether this is to back

(01:34:19):
where Streeting. Some are saying that perhaps he is not
as popular as many think he is. You've also got
the situation with the Mayor of Greater Manchester, Andy Burnham,
to get him into position. An MP is going to
have to give up his seat. He's then going to
have to stand. There will be an election and basically

(01:34:39):
Andy Burnham could be fighting for that seat against Reform
and the Green Party. Nobody knows that Andy Burnham has
a golden ticket to win that seat. So it's all
going on here here, Heather, we don't really know where
it's going to fall.

Speaker 2 (01:34:55):
It's a lot of guesswork. Listen, but I was reading
that Andy Burnham has had a meeting in London with
key supporters, has chosen his seat and will announce his
seat the seat that he wants to run in as
early as today. Is that official?

Speaker 14 (01:35:08):
Well, it's not official.

Speaker 2 (01:35:09):
It really is not official.

Speaker 14 (01:35:10):
What there was secret too, Sorry, there were secret talks
with MPs in London yesterday. He was seen coming down
to London on a train. That's as far as it
kind of went with Andy Burnham. He's kind of taken
a left turn on this, staying out of the spotlight.
The main focus is on where's streeting. There's the Health
Secretary and what he's going to do today. But of
course Andy Burnham is creeping through on the sidelines and

(01:35:33):
Angela Rayna, don't forget her and all of.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
Them the cast, are characters. How do you think the
King feels about this, because this is supposed to be
his day and it's being crowded out by all these plabes.

Speaker 14 (01:35:44):
Well, I'm sure that he's not very happy. I think
one could use the expression we are not amused of
what's going on. He's going to come down and going
to the House of Lords and he's going to present
the legislation, the government's plan for the future for the
it's the state opening of Parliament basically, and there are
lots of things that he's going to be discussing. The
speech has been written by the government and things like

(01:36:06):
digital IDs, we've got the immigration situation, and we've also
got these special needs education. These are all on this
this agenda that he's going to be presenting, and I'm
sure he's not happy that the spotlight has been completely
stolen away from him and it's gone firmly into downing streets.

Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
I can imagine. Kay, thank you very much, it's all
very exciting. You're part of the world. K Oliver, UK correspondent.
I don't know if you've taken the time to google
whiz treating who at this juncture does appear the most
likely person to take over, you know, because Andy Burnham's
not in the House of Commons at all. I don't
know if you've googled him, but he's just he's got

(01:36:46):
a very English mouth like it's just a very it's
not I don't know, it's not very prime ministerial looking
if you if you've you'd have to google it to
see what I'm saying. It's not very prime ministerial looking.
He doesn't have a strong do you know what I mean?
Like I feel like I feel like you need you
need a sort of set of the face, don't you
to look like you mean business? And he just doesn't.

(01:37:07):
He has that kind of slightly like it's a slightly
malnourished look that I feel like, unfortunately, because there's not
a lot of sunshine in that part of the world.
Do you know what I mean? You don't always look
the healthiest, you know, you're not. It's not it's not
like an Australian babe walking down you know, full of
like good red meat and this and a good suntan
and like exercising in the waters of Bondi Beach. Do

(01:37:28):
you know what I mean? Like that is the opposite
of weez streeting. He just looks. He looks pallid. Go
have a look at him. See if you want him
to be your prime minister. Seven away from seven it's
the heather too.

Speaker 1 (01:37:40):
For see allan Drive Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered
by newstalk Zebbi.

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
Brent Here. I reckon he's looking like that because he's
not eating real button butter. I reckon. Do you know
what brand? I reckon? You bang on? I reckon? I reckon.
Too many of the you know like that? You know that?
You know they eat that kind of pink meat in
in weird places like the UK. You know, we're what
is it called bloone? Some people call it boloney. What
do we call it? Luncheon? Too much luncheon? Too many
of those luncheons, Too many of those are like red

(01:38:09):
sausages that are just processed meat. Do you know what
I mean? Too many cans of spam, that kind of stuff.
Too many beers, not enough good food. Yeah, anyway, it
might be prime minister, So then they're gonna have send
that around to gain Look, look, could you look more
British anyway? I feel like there's a BSA complaint in this.
By the way, if you're British and you're offended by it,
I reckon you could rock that one in see what

(01:38:30):
happens now, just while they're still there, sounds like the
government is going to campaign on well, it doesn't sound
like they are. They're going to campaign on Keywi Bank,
Nikolaula says, but they're not saying what they're going to
campaign on. She says, I want key We Bank to
get bigger and I want New Zealanders have to have
the opportunity to invest in our key Bank getting bigger,
which just sounds like the idea that they ditched in
December because last year that they they were going to

(01:38:51):
do a capital raise, weren't they on Kewi Bank and
then were like, now we're not going to do that
anymore in December. So did they just did they just
kill that in December so that they could revive for
the campaign. No, surely not. Maybe would you vote for that?
Like is that a vote winner?

Speaker 7 (01:39:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:39:08):
Oh it's Duran Duran ats.

Speaker 10 (01:39:10):
Yeah, hungry like the Wolf by Duran Duranda players out tonight.
So the front man, what's his name, Simon the bond
he has done an interview with Sunday Times and talks
about why they've never played Glastonbury Festival, and he says, basically,
I'd love to do it. We just need to get
the right slot. We want to, but not in a
disco tent at three pm, which is what we were offered.
We shouldn't be below anybody on the bill, so we'll

(01:39:32):
hold out because we're a headline act. That's all there
is to it. So put them on the main stage
and they'll do it. But they're not going to do
anything other than the main stage there.

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
Like look as Simon, he's still stuck in the eighties,
isn't it.

Speaker 10 (01:39:47):
Well, I mean you've got to back yourself either if
you don't. I suppose they don't need to do glaston
brief festival, do they? So if they don't need to,
But I don't think Lester really needs.

Speaker 9 (01:39:55):
To do, you know what.

Speaker 2 (01:39:56):
They need to hold out just a little bit longer
and then they can come back like Split Ends did
and everybody we just absolutely fizzed for them.

Speaker 9 (01:40:03):
Well next year.

Speaker 10 (01:40:04):
Next year is going to be the next Classonary festival
and the picks for the headliner will be either Sam Finder,
I Sheeron, Harry Styles or Taylor Swift. So if d'andreenne
think they can compete with those, then maybe they'll be
back next year.

Speaker 2 (01:40:14):
Simon Bliss Okay, thank you and see you tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:40:32):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news Talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio

All Episodes

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

Joy 101 with Hoda Kotb

Stuff You Should Know

Dateline NBC

.css-15opob5{left:0;position:absolute;top:0.8rem;} All Episodes

.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}Full Show Podcast: 13 May 2026

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

.css-r6mb8g{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:1;overflow:hidden;}Joy 101 with Hoda Kotb

Stuff You Should Know

Dateline NBC

All Episodes

Full Show Podcast: 13 May 2026

Joy 101 with Hoda Kotb