Full Show Podcast: 14 April 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only drive show you can try the trunk to
ask the questions, get the answers, find the fag sack
and give the analysis. Heather Duplicy Ellen, Drive with One
New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile news dogs.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
There be.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Hey, good afternoon. Coming up on the show today, we're
going to have a chat to wespax chief economist. He
now reckons we could get the first o cr hike
next month. He's with us after five. Religious expert Peter
Linham on Trump VI the Pope and maybe Trump going
too far with the Christians and the christ Church venues
people on why the Crusaders horses are gone forever. Heather

(00:37):
Duplicity Ellen, So, the blockade of the Strait of Hummuz
started at two am our time, and we now have
some idea of how the thing is gonna work. It's
going to cover the entire Iranian coastline, the Strait of Humus,
the Gulf of Oman, which is what the straight runs into,
and then the Arabian Sea, which is you know, on
the other side of that. Again, two ships have apparently
already been turned back. At least one of them was
headed for China. What a surprise. Now, if the US

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can successfully and that's the important thing, successfully keep all
oil tankers away from Iran, this could hurt Iran, and
could hurt Iran really quickly, like within twenty days, maybe
even ten days, because of oil storage. Apparently, Iran only
has the ability to store about thirteen days worth of
oil production, which means that once they fill that they

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have to start shutting down their oil wells. Now they
don't want to do that because once you shut down
an oil well, you can permanently damage its production capacity.
There is no guarantee that you can get the thing
back up to the levels it was before, and that's
not even to mention the cost of restarting it. It
is also possible that this does enormous damage to the
Iranian economy really quickly as well, because ninety percent of

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their oil goes through the Strait and has been going
through the Strait despite the fact that there has been
a war. Right they've been earning even more than before
the war. They have no alternative to getting most of
that oil out. Cutting off their exports means cutting off
their cash for imports, so the currency starts falling, hyperinflation
kicks in, and it's basically all kinds of problems after that.

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Now there is debate about how much it's actually going
to hurt the economy, I mean the oil production thing
that's slam dunk. How much it's going to hurt the
economy is up for debate because it's argued that Iran
may have about one hundred and sixty million barrels of
oil floating out at sea, which means that China keeps
getting its oil, Iran keeps getting its money, and this
carries on through to mid July. Now that is the

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worst case scenario for the rest of us, right, because
that means the blockade is then a long play, not
a short play, and we're really going to hurt because
even that little bit of oil that they've been sneaking
out for the last six weeks has actually been very
helpful to the world. Now the Economist magazine is calling
this a big gamble, and yes it is. It has
the potential to cripple Iran really quickly or strangle the

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world very slowly.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
Keller duper see Allen.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Nine two nine. Here is the text number standard text
free supply. We're going to talk to caliak Cold about
that as well. When he's what he's expecting in terms
of a potential global recession, which is being talked about
the five o'clock. Now, the latest development in the use
of ketamine as a major treatment for depression is a pill.
New Zealand scientists are developing a long acting ketamine pill

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that could change how the drug is delivered. It's being
pushed towards regulatory approval in the United States at the moment,
which means it'll be made widely available. Professor Paul Glue
from the University of Otago has created the pill and
is with us.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
Hi Paul, oh, hi, Well thanks for that lovely introduction.
I have to also let you know that this has
been a collaboration with Douglas Pharmaceuticals up in Auckland. So
the formulation they did on this tablet to get the
lease characteristics were absolutely superb. So you know, a lot

(03:43):
of credit has to go to them.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
Oh good stuff, Well done them. Now why the pill over?
What is it? Is it? Usually an IV.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
Yeah, it's IV or I am or injected under the skin.
With those roots of administration, you get almost immediate antidepression effect.
So you injected into someone and an hour later about two
thirds of people have lost their depression. It really is
that quick, and that lasts for about half a week
to a week. If you give it orally, it's a

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slightly slower onset, so the first week you dose it
daily and by about day three to five people have
lost their depression. So it's still really fast if you
compare it with SSRIs, but not as fast as that
sort of you know, one hour and your better kind
of injectable effect.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
So why would you want to go for the slower
pill rather than the fast injection.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
Because if you're getting the injection, it's going to be
done in a clinic. You're going to be off your face,
you're going to be very sedated, very spaced out, your
blood pressure can go up, and so it has to
be given in a clinic. With a pill, you can
take it at home.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
What you've described is what the young people call the
K hole, isn't it yep okay? And so you're allowed
to basically give it to yourself. Do you think if this,
if this gets regulatory approval and is able to be sold,
do you think this is going to be the kind
of thing that's a game changer, Like with GOVI, is
for fat people.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
It certainly, it certainly moves you in that direction. So
so again it's not going to be for your standard
general practice type depression, where SSRIs and psychotherapy are that
the sort of go to treatments. So you're looking at
a smaller population about one third of people with depression

(05:29):
who have what's called treatment resistant depression. They've they've tried
the regular pills, they've had the therapy, they're still they're
still depressed. It's about one hundred and fifty thousand people
in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Now, why are they still depressed? What is it in
their heads that is resisting everything that works for everybody else.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
That's a great question. There's a no belprice waiting for
you if you can sort.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
That one outte the.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
It could be, it could be to do with severity,
it could be to do with what's driving the depression.
We think that in the proportion of people with severe
depression that parts of their brain actually start to shrink,
and that the abnormal firing in an areas associated with
mood production is what can bring on the depression but

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also leave people stuck in it. And one of the
things we see with successful antidepressant treatment but in particular
with ketamine and physical treatments like ect is, those bits
of brains start to the volume normalizers, and that's because
nerve cells starting to make little dendrites or branches off

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the side, and that seems to normalize firing and improve mood.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Somebody describe it to me as what KAY does to
you if you're getting it for depression treatment? Is it
causes ego death, which is what solves the problem? Do
you know what that means?

Speaker 4 (06:54):
No? No, I think that sounds like horseshit.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
I'm enjoying that that came out of your mouth.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
If you need to bleep it, I do apologize late
you're live on air, Okay, don't do anymore.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
No more, Paul.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
But that was good for me. But no, it also
could just sound like somebody who's potentially doing too much
K talking to me. Question for you, if it does
come out in the pill form, is this something that
you have to use? Like it's not. I I kind
of had, you know, the stuff that they're doing with
the doses of K down South at one of the universities.
I don't know who it is, but anyway, I just

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thought it was sort of like one of those ones
where you do a circuit break and you never have
to do it again. But you're making it sound like
you have to use k for the rest of your
life to get off this like manic depression.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
So so's it's it's certainly going to be a couple
of doses a week. Some people need it slightly more
frequently than that for a three months or so, and
then and then you start to stretch out the period
between doses and of people's depressive symptoms come back, they
may need it for longer than that. In the tablet

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study that was finished a few years ago, we've got
a small group of people who we can get well
on the tablets. As soon as we start to cut
them back, they get the depression back. And so there
is a condition called chronic major depression where you can
treat them and get them well, but you pull the

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treatment away and symptoms come back. So essentially that small
group of people, probably ab twenty percent of depressives are
going to need ongoing treatment until they're very old.

Speaker 6 (08:41):
People.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Good stuff, Well, it's brilliant to talk to you.

Speaker 7 (08:44):
Thanks.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
You can come back anytime you like. That's Paul Glue,
University of Otago, professor of psychiatry. Yeah, yeah, I definitely
was talking. By the way, I definitely was taking tips
from somebody who's used far too much k They know
far too much about ego death by the sounds of things. Anyway, listen,
I have to talk to you about Wellington and airbnbs,
but we'll do next. Sixteen past four, it's.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
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Speaker 3 (09:10):
Heather, there will be people in the Republican Party who
won't like Trump making fun of their religion, but are
too scared to speak up. Jack, I think there are
quite a few people in the Republican Party who are
very cross about it, hence the post being deleted. But
we will get to that in a minute. It's nineteen
past four.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
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Speaker 3 (09:29):
Elliott Smith's sports talk hosters with us. Hey Elliott, So, Alie,
you're quite exercised about the horses being cut.

Speaker 8 (09:36):
I am, because I think this is another piece of
fandom being removed from a New Zealand franchise. And look,
we know how hard it is to get fans through
the gates and I'm not seeing I'm not saying you've
run goes along to see the horses run around a
stadium before a rugby game, but it is part of
the overall package and it just feels like they have
taken something away and maybe people outside the Crusaders catch

(09:58):
me aread, are going what on earth are you talking
about horses running around the stadium. But I think it
has been an important part of their legacy and their
brand for thirty years now, and you think about the
logo which was removed seven years ago. It's just another
little bit chipping away in terms of a fan experience
in this country that I don't think Rugby can and
Super rug we can can ill afford to do so.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Yeah, so why is it that the horses are like,
what's the problem with the stadium?

Speaker 8 (10:22):
Well, the stadium is going to be banging the central city,
you know, and it's also going to be a lot
smaller than a polyproject stadium in terms of being able
to house the horses around the field. And same with
lancas To Park if you go back to that.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
Before the US are you saying that they don't have
enough space?

Speaker 8 (10:36):
They don't they basically have to be going on the
playing area if they're a lesbian there and for a
safety issue, they're not able to do that. Yet they've tried.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Yeah, question for you. So christ Church has built its
own stadium for a team to use that likes to
run around horses, Why do they not think of this?

Speaker 8 (10:55):
That's exactly right. You'd think that somewhere along the planning
this would have gone, actually, maybe we need to build
a little bit more leeway between the stands and the
advertising hoardings and the field of play, And clearly they haven't,
and they're going to end up with one of the
more important things of the Crusaders brand being removed because
of us.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
About the Crusaders only finding out on Friday.

Speaker 8 (11:15):
Well, I find that hard to believe. I've heard for
a couple of years now that they're trying to figure
out whether they can get them there, So I find
it hard to believe that they were told last Friday,
after their final home game.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
So also, you knew that they knew that.

Speaker 8 (11:28):
I'd heard there were conversations going on basically ever since
the stadium was close to being built, how are we
going to get the horses in there two years and
people were asking me, yt Elliott, is it.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Possible that the Crusaders actually are happy that this is
the situation, because then they don't have to run the
horses around because the horses are expensive, and the horses
are also an emblem of Christians going around sluttering Mustlims.

Speaker 8 (11:48):
I'll be surprised because it's part.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Of But the horses are expensive.

Speaker 8 (11:52):
I'm sure they are, but everything is expensive in terms
of building a.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Pregame rugby super rugby doesn't make money, no, But.

Speaker 8 (11:57):
I think this is so much part of the Crusaders
experience that I doubt they willingly let go of it.
I mean they've y move you know, seven years ago,
until the Mosk attacks, they used to have the horses
and chain mail and whipping around swords, and now they've
changed its the provincial flags that make up the Crusaders.
They've already changed it that way. I don't think they'd
willingly give it up, but I'm not sure that maybe

(12:19):
everything has been done to keep them either.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
So Elliott, I mean, okay, so obviously Cantabrians need to
let go of the Knights image, because clearly the Crusaders
is letting go of the.

Speaker 8 (12:29):
Well everything has been removed from it now.

Speaker 9 (12:31):
Yeah, it's just what are.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
They going to do about the fun times? I mean
they have to Like we've talked about this a lot,
you and I about the fact that you go to
a rugby game and you expected to sit there like
it's ninety more totally.

Speaker 8 (12:40):
You look at the Blues. You look at the Blues
change up their pregame entertainment every year. They haven't landed
on something that actually works for them. Hurricanes have changed
things throughout Chiefs. It's been the one constant of the
Crusaders that they've had this over thirty years. And again
it's something that's now being removed from this pregame package
that super ug we can probably ill afford to do.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
So yeah, interesting, are you talking about this evening yet?

Speaker 10 (13:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (13:00):
Absolutely, looking forward, Elliott, Thank you. Elliot Smith's sports talk host.
He'll be back at seven for that chat, So stay
tuned for twenty three.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
The name you trust to get the answers you need,
it's Heather Duplicy El and Drive with one New Zealand
coverage like no one else news talk there be.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Quantus has announced it's going to be cutting more flights
so I think it's a five percent of jet Star
flights here domestically, and then five percent of jet Star
flights in Australia and five percent of Quantus flights over
their murrayols will run us through it when he's with us.
He's going to be with us after the news obviously,
So Donald Trump's I think we have I think we
may have realized the Donald Trump is untouchable.

Speaker 11 (13:39):
Right.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
He does all of the stuff and it just kind
of washes over, and we may have realized the point
at which he cannot do things like we may have
realized his third rail, which is Jesus. So he was
he talks about grabbing women by their bits, and he
talks about wiping out a civilization. No one cares post
the picture of himself as Jesus, and we flip out.
He's gone and deleted the picture. Now, if you haven't
seen the picture, it's basically an ay generated image of

(14:03):
him in sort of you know, I don't know, the
white flowing robes of Jesus and a red thing over
his shoulders, and he's healing somebody on his sick bed,
and he's got a ball of light in his hand,
and there are angels behind him in an American flag,
people praying. Anyway, As an explanation for why he's deleted it,
he said he didn't realize it was depicting him as Jesus.
He thought he was a doctor, a Red crossworker, which

(14:26):
doesn't explain the ball of light in your hand. Mate. Anyway,
it's this is this is this is obviously because of
his big controversy with the big fight with the pope
that's been going off for ages and appears to have
escalated in the last few days. And Georgia Maloney from
Italy's angry with him, and then the North Texas Catholics
are angry and I don't know. Anyway, we'll have a
chat to Peter Lyneham religious expert who's a good chap.

(14:47):
He'll talk us through whether maybe is this blasphemous or not,
like if I don't know, I mean, it's probably technically blasphemous,
but then it's Donald Trump's I don't know, I mean,
does he need to go into the confession after this?
Heither who cares about the horses? Put a couple of
muppets in the horse costume and run them around the sidelines.
You're clearly not from Canterbury. The people from Canterbury were
telling me today, Oh, when the horses come out, there's

(15:11):
goosebumps and the hair on your arms just stand. They're
really attached to the horses. So this is quite a
massive stuff up by the Crusaders and the venues. The
venues people are going to be with us after five
o'clock quarter past. We'll talk to them about it.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Then.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
News talks v.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive ho it's Heather duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand and the power of satellite
mobile News talks Nbather.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
That's horses are there ten minutes, six times a year.
Why spend millions making the stadiums stadium bigger and they're
making the vans fits. It's wrong language today. I'm me
try that again. Why spend millions making the stadium bigger
and making the fans sit further away from the action.
And this is from a Crusaders fan, fairpoint. I'm not
fussed on the fans. On the horses, alliots, they'll tell

(16:08):
you what. Now being reported that the US Iran peace
talks broke down in part because Iran would only agree
to stop making a nuke for five years, but the
US wanted them to stop for twenty years. That seems
to have the have been the primary sticking point. The
second sticking point was that the US wanted to take
the enriched iranium that are still underground out of Iran,
but Iran insisted that it had to stay in the country.

(16:31):
So anyway, if Trump does get them back to the
peace table, to the peace talks table as a result
of the blockade, that will undoubtedly come up all over again.
Murray Olds are standing by by the way, he'll be
Thus shortly, it's twenty four away from five.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
It's the world wires on youth talks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
So as we're saying, Donald Trump has deleted an AI
post that appeared to depict them as Jesus Christ. The
President says he wasn't actually going for the Jesus look.

Speaker 12 (16:56):
I did first it and I thought it was me
as a doctor and had to do with Red Cross
as a Red Cross worker there, which we support, and
only the fake news could come up with that one.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Trump has also been critical of Pope Leo for criticizing
the war in Iran. The Pope has told reporters he
has no fear of Donald Trump's administration.

Speaker 13 (17:14):
I don't think that gasports meant to be abused in
the way that some people are doing.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
And finally, really the optus looked down worlds. The oldest
octopus has had to give up its title because it's
not actually an octopus. Turns out, so back in two thousand,
a three hundred million year old fossil was found and
identified as the oldest known remains of an octopus. But
scientists have now had another look at the octopus. Turns
out it was actually a nautilus fossil, not an octopus fossil.

(17:43):
The lead researcher who spotted the mistake says it's not
surprising that the fossil was misidentified. It's three hundred million
years old and right now just looks like.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Whitemush International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of
mind for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
Murriol's Ozzie correspondents.

Speaker 10 (17:59):
So that's all, Hello Heather, very good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
So Quantus is going to cut more roots. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 10 (18:06):
Yeah, domestic routes at least for two months, warns in
an update to the Stock Exchange this morning. Over here,
the increasing prices of oil could add up to eight
hundred million dollars to its fuel bill. Airfares are also up,
but you know, the airlines told the Stock Exchange it
will still run a profit, but there will be a

(18:27):
dent in those profits. Most of the service cuts are
going to be on flights between our capital cities, the
Sydney Melbourne route amongst the world's most lucrative. There will
also be a lesser frequency of flights between cap cities
and some regional centers will be hit as well, and
this is a big blow for people in the bush.
You need to come down to the big smoke heather

(18:48):
for medical treatment and the like, so they've been anxious
about that. Look, it's not all bad news though. Quantas
is reporting a big jump in business on flights between
Australia and Europe because passengers travelers are shunning the airlines
that route flights through the Middle East. Your etty hads
your Emirates and so on and cut our airways for example.

(19:10):
So you know, it's swings and roundabouts for Quantitas, but
there's no doubt about it. Businesses everywhere and business confidence
over here has packed a hell of a knock on
the back of what's going on in Iran.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Now tell me about the manufacture of drones and missiles
that you people are.

Speaker 10 (19:26):
Going to do well at the moment. It's pretty much
a fledgling industry to be honest. I mean, like so
many other Australian Defense Force projects, this thing sort of
stumbles and bumbles along and succeeds despite of the people
around it. But it has been a very bright note
for Australia. There's a couple of very expensive drones that
are being made. They called the shark Bat and the

(19:48):
ghost Bat. But there's going to be a ghost bat
and a ghost shark. I forget what.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Anyway, it's a combination of these things.

Speaker 10 (19:57):
Correct, And these are big, very expensive ones. But there's
going to be billions more to be spent over the
next decade expanding the manufacture, not owning of the expensive ones,
but also the you know, the little hit and run
ones that that have been doing such a hell of
a job on our television screens in the Middle East
and of course in Ukraine. So the government very excited

(20:19):
about this defense spending update on Thursday, and drones are
going to be a very big part of that expenditure.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
Now, why is Elbow not going to means test the
NDI is well.

Speaker 10 (20:29):
Because it's it's a step too far the NDI. That's
the only thing I can think of. I mean, Albin
easy as the Prime Minister is bumping heads with his
treasurer and other ministers all the time. They want bold,
ambitious tax reform over here. Elbow's a bit anxious about this,
so there's no way known he's going to go down
the route of taxing the National Disability Insurance Scheme. Notwithstanding

(20:53):
of fact, Heather the thing has doubled and cost of
the last five years fifty five billion dollars a year
currently a year that's more than a billion dollars a week.
He warns the system must be rained in though, because
it's costing far too much and exponentially growing. It was
designed originally for people who suffered catastrophic injuries or you know,
life changing permanent disability. It's not for every kid who's

(21:17):
diagnosed with ADHD. And I'm not diminishing those conditions and
those you know the impact on those children and their families.
But you know there's going to be a point where
you say we have to spend a bit less on
this because it's actually overpowering education, health and defense spending,
and the government also promising to work a hell of
a lot harder to catch the cheats and the wraughters

(21:39):
and the people who have got no right to be
on it. And there are millions of those as well,
we're told so expect big changes of things like capital gains,
tax concessions and the budget restrictions on how many investment
properties that people will be able to buy and use
for tax deductions. Also encouraging more investments, specifically in new
dwellings to try and address the housing crisis we have

(22:01):
over here. There's a bunch of other things, but that
ndis means testing a bridge too far, I think for Elbow.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Good to talk to you, Mars as always chatty in
a couple of days Mariold's Australia correspondence Ghost Sharks and
ghost Bats eighteen away from five heatherd for cur Now,
we need to talk about a case that's just been
in court today, which is where a mother has basically
pleaded guilty to killing her child. I'm not going to
give you the gross detail. I'm going to spare you
the details if you want to go and read about it.

(22:28):
It has covered extensively on the Herald, and I would
refer you to it actually because I think it is
worth kind of getting across what is going on in
this country. But there are some of it that we
need to talk about here because not so much about her,
but about the officials who were involved in this child
child's life. And I would mount an argument that this
child's life could have been saved if people had actually
done what they were supposed to do and got the

(22:49):
authorities involved like they should have. So the boy was
nineteen months old. His name was Tufareto Toho. He had
cerebral palsley palsy that he developed he'd bleed when he
was a baby, and so it's caused this complication. Mother
had him and a twin sister and then another toddler
in the house and basically details. All you need to

(23:11):
know is that he died from starvation. She's a crap mum,
like she sucks. She had on the night that he died,
about six in the morning. The previous night, she had
left him and his siblings, remember they're all toddlers, just
left them alone in the house gone out, gone and
got high, got on the gear and then come back

(23:32):
and then found him dead the next morning. Now, in
the months leading up to his death, health professionals knew
that something was wrong because the mum was a darrow.
She'd missed thirteen appointments in the space of ten months.
She'd canceled appointments. She'd turned visitors away from her home
twenty nine times. On six other occasions, she would only
speak to the visitors if they stayed outside the house.

(23:54):
Police had to force their way to get into the
house on one occasion to get a nurse in. The
mother was asleep in the lounge, the house was messy,
no power, and one child had a heavily soiled nappy.
The situation was bad enough that a group of medical
professionals held a meeting to discuss what they should do.
And let me quote you the herald escalation to ordering
itspotomidicky was considered recommended and a referral was made say

(24:15):
the court documents. However, it was argued against by other stuff?
Who are you argued against by other stuff? And placed
on hold on the basis that they felt engagement would worsen.
Following a referral. Ultimately, ot were never engaged and the
baby died, so bad call in the NDA sixteen away from.

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Pope Leo versus the President.

Speaker 14 (24:54):
Like I said yesterday, Heather, you cannot criticize the Pope.
He is God on earth to many people. Believe me,
he is. And I know that having been brought up
a Roman Catholic. So you know, it was the way
Donald Trump said that this man was no good at

(25:14):
his job. He you know, the criticism of the pope
from a president of the United States. And don't forget
this pope as a fellow countryman. He grew up in Chicago.
It was. It was unprecedented the way he described the
Pope so and then today making things much much worse.

(25:42):
He posts that piece on a social media page of
him obviously looking like Jesus ministering to somebody in the
war and saying he, oh, no, he thought it was
a shot of him being a doctor, get a sort
of shining.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
He's got a ball of light in his hand.

Speaker 14 (26:07):
Yeah, maybe it was a crystal ball, hopefully knowing the
way he's going to get out of the damn war.
But anyway, it was funny because he remember when the
pope was selected in May of last year, Donald Trump
was moved to congratulate him, and he said, it's such
an honor to realize that he is the first American pope.

(26:29):
What excitement, what a great honor for our country. Well,
he seems to have forgotten all that. He said he
looked forward to meeting the Pope, which of course he did.
But the Pope himself, he was on the Pope Mobile,
the plane in the sky and talked to journalists, not
unlike Donald Trump does on Air Force One. Things certainly

(26:50):
have soad. This is the latest from Pope Leo after
being condemned by Trump.

Speaker 13 (26:55):
The message of the church, my message, the message the
gospel less an.

Speaker 6 (26:59):
Other piece, readers.

Speaker 13 (27:01):
I do not look at my role as being political politician.
I don't want to get into a debate with him.
I don't think that the message of the Gospel is
mental to be abused in the way that some people
are doing. And I will continue to speak up lout
that against war, looking to peace, promoting dialogue and multaynateral
relationships among the states, to look for just solutional crimes.

(27:23):
Too many people are suffering in the world today, too
many innocent people are being killed. And I think someone
has to stand up and say there's a better way
to do this.

Speaker 14 (27:32):
And what better person to say than the Pope, the
head of a large religious group. But look the other
one who was pretty hosed off. And we know that
Trump has lost his big supporter in Europe, in Hungary,
the Hungarian Prime minister after sixteen years, well, the Italian
prime minister, who is one of Trump's closest allies in Europe.

(27:55):
Yet imagine he's had his nose put out a joint
by the pontuff and criticized in the way he was.
He said that Trump's words towards the Holy Father are
completely unacceptable. So old Donald knows how to certainly not mind.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Can I mount an argument against you?

Speaker 14 (28:15):
Well, how long have we got?

Speaker 10 (28:17):
No?

Speaker 3 (28:17):
No, you can't. So my argument against you is number one,
that the Pope is not an apelet like he is
not an innocent figure here. Right, This kind of attention
that he's getting is really good for the Catholic Church,
who are constantly fighting against diminishing attendance. So the more
the Pope gets becomes the good guy in the story.
Hopefully it's good pr for the church. Hopefully more people

(28:38):
come back.

Speaker 14 (28:39):
Second, I don't think for one moment the Pope was
thinking that he was thinking about people who are being killed,
and that's that's the head of religious order's right to condemn.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
Of course, but the Vatican is incredibly political. They know
what they're doing. And the second thing also is he's
wrong because the Hope is arguing as if if we
stopped the war today, innocent people wouldn't be killed. Going
back to there is the opposite of this war is
not no killing. It's the Iranians just carry on killing people,
killing people the way that they were.

Speaker 14 (29:13):
I think the the the word from the pontiff should
be respected.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Lord, you're frustrating, Okay, hey, very quickly, very quickly, I
haven't got that long. Now, talk to me about the
black market tobacco in New zeal I.

Speaker 14 (29:31):
Was a surprise I heard this story I think last
week and I found it absolutely incredible that you can
walk and somebody told me you can walk into any
shop on K Road and say, look, have you got
any cheap cigarettes and they'll go under the counter ones. Yeah,
and you know they're for half the price. I can't
believe that people are paying about forty bucks for twenty cigarettes.

(29:53):
Just seems incredible to me. But so they're getting them
for a round half price. And the clearly it has
to be stamped out. Australia's particularly bad and they are
doing something about it there and the call is essentially
the New Zealand to do something about well. The Associate
Health Minister Casey Costello, she says that well, she hasn't

(30:15):
said publicly, but apparently she'll be putting together some sort
of committee to look at this.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Oh that'll fix it.

Speaker 14 (30:21):
Hopefully increased penalties. But for gangs who are behind.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
All this black Mak committee, that's the solution. Very thanks
you very much, very so for senior political correspondent. Will
come back to this committee later on seven. Away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
The headlines and the hard questions, it's the mic asking
breakfast in.

Speaker 15 (30:41):
The fallouts now material and the services sector back in contraction.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Brand Olds and oe In for metrics.

Speaker 16 (30:46):
Back with us in the Reserve Bank is in this
awful position and unless we clear make this sucks. You've
either got to lift interest rates, try and curb inflation
that just is still too hot. You've also risking clearly
kneecapping not only an economic recovery which just has disappeared,
but knocking the economy while it's down. That is an
awful set of circumstances to try and make a decision.

Speaker 9 (31:04):
For true that do you top out at three percent?

Speaker 16 (31:06):
This is where I've just agree with A and Z's assessment.
Look at the last eighteen months, the economy certainly hasn't
been firing on all cylinders. I'm not sure three percent
will be enough. I hope it is, but I'm just
not sure.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
Maybe's Real Estate News Talk z B hither.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
I think it will be a long time before the
Catholic Church gets to take the moral high ground on anything.
Well said Martin. Actually, I'm getting quite a few texts
from people saying the patient looks like Epstein. So I've
gone back and had a look, and the patient does
not look like Epstein unless unless every sort of like
reasonably trim man with gray hair with two of the

(31:42):
what are the and what are the male chromosomes? I
can't remember other that X and Y. It's the X
and Y with an X and Y, thank you, and
just's my encyclopedia or otherwise known as Google two. If
anybody with an X and Y and a bit of
trimman with bit of gray hair, they all look like Epstein.
Fair enough. Now listen, India Free Train. I am told
you remember yesterday there was that letter from all of

(32:03):
the various companies who wanted Labor to sign the India
Free Trade Deal. I'm told that there are now more
signatories that have been added to that letter. Alana Estate,
Andsko Food, good nature to the guys who do the
rodent trap Lot eight, the olive oil people, pan Pack,
the wood processes, Zelandier, Honey, TNNG Global, et cetera. So
the pressure is mounting on Labor to do it. And

(32:27):
as I think we got to the bottom of it yesterday,
Labor is going to agree to pass it next week.
But I feel like I need to point out the hypocrisy.
Here go and look at Labour's Facebook page. They are
absolutely slamming this government for all the factories shutting down
in New Zealand. What do you think would help those
factories to stay open? That's right, a free trade deal
with India and it's also rich from a party. I'm

(32:48):
sorry to say that shut down any future oil and
gas expiration in this country, which is partly the reason
why the energy prices are so high, which is partly
the reason that the factories are shutting down. So glasshouses, everybody,
Kelli cold next.

Speaker 17 (33:02):
Five known bission are five known brown as.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand coverage like no
one else, news TALKSV.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Well, good afternoon to you. Yesterday it was A and Z.
Today it's Westpac. This time. The bank is predicting that
the ocr could start rising as early as next month.
Now the most likely case is still September for Westpac,
but May is now a possibility, and the chief economist
Cali ecolders with us Now, Hi, Kelly, Hi, what's going
to tip it towards May?

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Well?

Speaker 18 (33:46):
There are they're looking for indications that the peak and
inflation will be even higher than they currently expect. But
they're also critically looking for any signs that there's going
to be an increase in inflation expectations coming as these
price increases start going through the economics. So that's what
we're pretty focused on right now.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
Will they get enough data before May?

Speaker 18 (34:09):
It's quite hard to measure a lot of these things.
I mean, they also mention things like wage trends as well,
but I doubt we'll get any information on wage trends
between now and May. We do get a whole rack
of inflation expectations data that will come about a week
before the meeting, but probably the key information will be
the extent to which we have to revise our CPI

(34:29):
forecast when we get the monthly data, which will come
towards the end next week.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Now this is coming, this chat that we're having about
the ocr is coming at a time where the straight
of hor moves has been blockaded early this morning, and
now there's talk of a global recession as a result
of that. Is that likely? Do you think.

Speaker 18 (34:46):
That the blockade will continue? It does feel a little
bit very likely. I mean, both parties still look like
they're fairly far away apart, and neither of them want
to give up their leverage over the situation. In both
cases that leverages enhanced by keeping the straight closed.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
How much how long does that blockade have to continue
before it tips us into a global recession?

Speaker 18 (35:11):
Well, I mean when we mapped out a six month
closure scenario, so that's still a few months down the track.
That's probably going to be sufficient to really cause that,
because by then you would probably be seeing oil prices
at pretty high levels. We've already got some pretty severe
straus sight of strain. Now even those spot prices and
futures markets have come off a bit as the ceasefire

(35:33):
has taken place. There is a real shortage of products emerging.
If you actually want a barrel of crude oil or
jet fuel right now. So that sort of stuff is
going to increasingly start impact on business decisions or suspect
as we go through in the next few weeks.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
All right, So, Kelly, at the moment, up to this point, obviously,
while the strait has been largely closed, there has been
just a trickle of ships coming through headed to places
like India and China. Is it material? What's just happened?
The closure to all ships that none may get through.

Speaker 18 (36:05):
Well, I don't think it's very material, but it will
be important, I think for the countries that have been
receiving those shipments. But it's only been a handful of day,
but places like India and especially China were the recipients
of that because it's all sanctioned shipments. So you know,
none of that oil was coming anywhere near the places
that we import fly fuels from. But it does increase

(36:27):
the pressure on the Iranians because obviously it cuts off
that sort of income.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
Kelly, good to talk to you. Thank you, mate. Kelly
are cold Westpax Chief economist. But it seems like Donald
Trump may have gone too far this time. He posted
an image depicting himself as Jesus and then deleted it,
which is rare from him. He claimed he claimed he
thought he was a doctor in the image. It appears
to be part of his ongoing spat with the Peterlinum

(36:52):
is a religious expert at Massi University and with US. Now, Hi, Peter, Hello, Heather.
Now is this Trump reacting potentially to Chris and voter backlash?

Speaker 6 (37:02):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (37:02):
You bet.

Speaker 6 (37:03):
He is well aware that he is very dependent as
his voting support narrows that he needs to retain the base,
and yet he lacks the antennae to realize that people
will be offended when his sense of self importance gets
you know, almost explodes with craziness. Explain to me.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
How it is that the same people can sort of
wave away when he talks about potentially wiping out a civilization,
wave away when he has a sort of locker room
chat about women. But then he posts a picture of
himself depicting Jesus and it's too far.

Speaker 6 (37:42):
Yeah, well, it's pretty horrifying when you think of the
way in which many supporters of Trump kind of compare
him to a king in the Old Testament, slaughtering anybody
he possibly can in the name of God, and that
kind of interpretation, which has been pushed by Peter egg Set.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
The.

Speaker 6 (38:04):
Secretary for War, seems to command a fair bit of
support with those sorts of people who think that success
is the measure of blessing. And I think that's the
heart of it. Now, with this image, I've got the
image in front of me now, I mean he's standing
with an American flag behind him and figures silhouetted presumably

(38:28):
American troops in the distance and warm planes. But it
dressed in robes, in a white robe and then a
red robe over the top of it, laying his hands
upon somebody on a sick bed. It's a bit like
the version of the I'm getting a picture of Jesus
when I was a teenager that chowed this sort of

(38:49):
heroic Jesus. It's very like that, and so it's effectively blasphemous.
It's saying Trump is the Savior. And I mean even
the most hardened of Christian Nashist ought to recognize that's
going too far, is it?

Speaker 3 (39:05):
I mean, because it's just Donald Trump. He just makes
these jokes.

Speaker 6 (39:09):
Oh, I quite agree. But you see, Trump has no
sense of appropriateness around him, and he expects his acolytes
to sing his praises. And I noticed that there's sort
of nine and a half thousand people who have clicked
that they love this image. So there are people who
will think that anything he does, that's what must be true.

(39:34):
But when he starts throwing after Roldry Marx remarks about
the pope and the like, he forgets that the religious
boundary is at least some sort of boundary for many
of his supporters.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
It's a fair point you make, Peter. As always, it's
wonderful to talk to you. Thank you, Peter Lineham, Massive
University religious expert.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Ever do for the elean.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
I mean to tell you this about an hour ago.
Looks like Wellingington City Council is coming for the airbnb hosts.
So they've just published the draft annual Plan and it
is proposing I mean, rates are going to go up
for everybody because you know, life gets expensive, but it's
Wellington as well, so it'll really go up for everybody.
But that proposing imposing really high rates on the short

(40:17):
term accommodation providers like bookerbatch and Airbnb hosts. So what
they're proposing to do is put in a differential so
that these hosts charge get charged for their properties two
point six times what the average property is being charged.
But essentially if they're running like when I lived in
Wellington up the road, Lynn the American had an airbit, well,

(40:38):
she was living in the house where she's gone back
to America now, so she's airbnbing it. Whatever extreme amount
of money she is paying in rates right now, she
will have to times that by two points six times.
So it's going to more than double and that is
what she's going to be charged just because she's running
an Airbnb at the moment. Apparently at its heart, I mean,
there'll be all kinds of arguments for it, but really

(41:00):
what it's therefore is to discourage people from running airbnbs
in Wellington. Let's see if this happens quarter past. They
shall not grow old as we that are left grow old.
Aids shall not weary them, nor the years condemned at
the going down of the sun, and in the morning
we will remember them.

Speaker 16 (41:16):
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Speaker 1 (42:04):
Heather Doupers the al Kelly.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
You're coming across as a devoted MAGA supporter. Just say
that you love Trump. No, I don't love Trump. I
just Trump makes me laugh and I can't turn that off.
Nineteen past five. Now it's been confirmed the Crusaders horses
will no longer be riding around the field prior to
home games. There just isn't enough space in the new
stadium for the horses to safely do their laps while
avoiding the playing surface. Caroline Harvey tear is Venus Auto

(42:28):
Tahi CEO and she's with us now. Hi Caroline, Hi, Heather,
how are you? I'm well, thank you? When did you
guys realize this?

Speaker 19 (42:36):
Oh? Look, we've been working with the Crusaders over the
last few months and obviously over the last few years.
The horses have always been part of the plan, but
it's really as we've spent more time in the venue
and the Crusaders have managed to get their horse experts
in there as well, only really over the last few months,
in probably the last couple of weeks, it's really come

(42:58):
down to all this stuff. Zones have been turned over
and were just the crusaders and the horse experts haven't
been able to find the solution and collectively we haven't
been able to find the solution that they needed.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
So what's the space that you've got and how short
is it of the space that you need?

Speaker 19 (43:14):
Yeah, look, it's not dissimilar to other spaces like Forsyth
Bar for example. So it's about seven meters of artificial
turf that runs around the perimeter of the playing surface.
But what happens is on their artificial turf there's a
lot of services that are there to service the turf
as well, and so in order for the horses to

(43:35):
really move around the venue safely, that have to be
a little bit on the playing surface as well as
on the artificial It's not the only reason though, obviously
with a roof and with the proximity of the crowd
to the playing surface, which is a great thing from
a fan experience. What that does is for the horses.
It creates an environment where they actually need to move
faster in order to actually be able to respond.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
Excuse me.

Speaker 19 (44:00):
So all in all, when you take all those things
into consideration, it's going to be a really tough place
for the horses to be and probably not the safest.

Speaker 16 (44:06):
I don't get it.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
What's the roof got to do with the horses.

Speaker 19 (44:10):
It just amplifies the noise, so it all freaks them out, basically.

Speaker 14 (44:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
Yeah, so they going to get as part of the
problem that they're going to get freaked out and run
really fast.

Speaker 19 (44:19):
And run really fast, and in that respect, if they're
on the playing surface, it becomes pretty problematic.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
So okay, now, fair enough. But part of the problem
here is that, as we've discussed for quite a bit, right,
there isn't enough entertainment when you go to a rugby
game other than the rugby obviously, and this was one
form of entertainment that's now lost. So do you have
plans to replace it with something?

Speaker 18 (44:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (44:42):
Look, that's really up to the Crusaders, And you know,
like we're honestly as disappointed as anyone, and I know
this was a really hard decision for them, and one
they've labored, labored over, and I know today was a
day that they certainly weren't looking forward to by any streets.
There's a lot of disappointed fans out there, the players
are disappointed in their whole crusaders. So I think what
they want to do is and this is obviously a

(45:04):
question for them, but I know that they want a
fan lead experience that makes something that really connects, just
like those horses do. So the kind of peripheral entertainment. Again,
we'll see a bit more of that around Souper around
in a week or so, and hopefully that actually creates
a really good platform for what they might want to
consider in the future.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
All right, Caroline, thank you as always, Caroline harveytair venus
or Tatahi, CEO of five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Cutting through the noise to get the facts. It's Heather
Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage like no
one else news talks.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
They'd be the fairies are causing us all kinds of
problems in this country. We're going to talk about that
after six. I'll talk to you about that before we
get there as well. Five twenty five. First though, we
need to talk about the black market siggis for just
a minute, because I can see that what we're about
to do in this country is about to waste our
time and more importantly, our money doing something that doesn't work.
So black market siggies are in the news today because

(45:58):
Retail New Zealand has piped up about this. They are
warning us about what's going on in Australia that the
same thing may happen here. And look, it is fair.
It's fair from them to warn us because it is
mental what's happening in Aussie And I've been following this
for a few months now. It has been completely nuts.
The gangs are all over the black market tobacco there.
They're fire bombing shops if the shops won't stock the

(46:20):
illegal ciggies. They're doing drive by shootings of rivals. They're
rolling out the old mafia style extortion extortion of money
for protection racket, you know that one. And it's not
the odd bit of crime like this is not a
sort of like happening over there, happening over there. Not
much of it going on. Three people have been killed
already and more than two hundred fire bombs have happened
in the space of the last three years. And it's

(46:42):
for the same reason that things may hack off here,
which is the price on sigies. So a price of
legal ciggies in Australia legal packet is fifty bucks, the
illegal stuff is only thirteen dollars. Why because of the tax.
The tax are so high now. So this brings us
to the solution. What retail New Zealand to do here
is to convene an urgent government task force. I mean,

(47:03):
give me strength. We don't know that our gangs are
necessarily going to start fire bombing over the distribution of
cheap Asian cigarettes in Auckland. But if they do, a
task force isn't going to stop them, is it? Because
all the task forces under the sun in this country
haven't stopped the distribution of p so not going to
stop the distribution of Siggi's. The only thing that's going
to stop them is if we cut the excise tax

(47:23):
and make legal siggies cheap again, so cheap that the
gangs don't have to bring in the cheap siggis. That's
not gonna happen, is it. It's obviously not going to
happen because the health Nazis are going to lose their minds.
But that is the only solution. Task forces are not
a solution. They are a placebo that's going to make
you feel like we're doing something when we're not just
going to cost us time and money. Now remember me
saying this when in a couple of weeks time, the

(47:45):
government that promised to stop the waste of taxpayers money
announces a task force. Together, do for c Allen heither,
Let's not normalize having public outcry about horses not coming
to a rugby game. Look, that's fair, that's fair. Here
the bring back the cheer leaders? That's fair? Can we
bring can we bring back the cheerleaders? Do you think
because because I don't know if you caught this yesterday

(48:06):
there was a discussion about Speedy Gonzalez, so much time
has passed since Speedy Gonzalez was canceled for mocking Mexican stereotypes,
that he's been allowed to come back and they're going
to make a movie about him. Do you think enough
time has passed since we banned the cheerleaders that we
can actually agree that the cheerleaders were quite fun and
we can bring them back again. Probably not anyway, the
boycott on rucks next.

Speaker 11 (48:33):
Fall.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Hard questions strong opinion here the duplicy Ellen drive with
one New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile new
doorgs'd be fast?

Speaker 3 (48:50):
Whether my neighbor just bought an odometer correction tool off
Timu for one hundred and seventy dollars This lets him
get off paying road user He just winds back the caves.
They're selling that on Timu.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Ben.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
I don't know if I should have actually told people that,
but anyway, it's out there now. Huddle is going to
be with us shortly and as I say, I'll get
you across very shortly. What is going on with the
fairies and the implications of the unreliability right now? It's
twenty four away from six now. On the subject of RUX,
apparently there is some talk online of some diesel users
boycotting the road user charges because of the price of

(49:20):
diesel being so high. There are a number of Facebook
pages where this is being discussed. Justin tay Umbers is
the National Road Carriers Association chief executive and with us.
Hello Justin, Hi Heather, Is this for real? Do you think?
Or are they just huffing and puffing?

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Look?

Speaker 20 (49:36):
I think this campaign speaks to how much pain that
tracking companies are undergoing at the moment, and understandably some
of them are frustrated, and I think there is a
bit of venting going on, Like they're faced to us
doubling the price of diesel, So filling up a truck
at the moment is costing six hundred dollars extra to
was back in February. So understandably some operators are really struggle.

(50:00):
They want help and they're frustrated. But discounting ruck charges
or not paying for ruck is certainly not the right answer.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
So you're not going to put pressure on the government
to get rid of the rucks or drop the price
of the rucks.

Speaker 20 (50:12):
No, Look that government's been very clear that they can't
provide funding relief. The coffers are empty. And if you
think about what we just went through on the weekend
with the cyclone coming through, all of the damage that
did with slips, yet again to the roading network, it's
actually the road user charges that pays for fixing all
of that. So reducing ruck just creates a bigger problem

(50:33):
further down the track because you're not keeping on top
of road maintenance and that internal further hurt the industry,
So it's definitely not something that we support.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Do you think so that the fine if you don't
pay your rucks is two hundred dollars and then there's
a ten percent penalty if you don't pay it within
two months, and then there's a ten percent penalty if
you don't pay it within three months. But when you
think about how much these guys will be paying four rucks,
is that fine high enough to be a deterrent?

Speaker 20 (51:00):
Yeah, well, possibly not at the moment, and perhaps that's
something that needs to be locked at. But certainly if
you want access to the roading network as a transport operators,
if you're running a diesel vehicle, you have to pay ruck.
It's not a choice, it's a legal requirement. So you
are in breach of the law if you if you
don't pay your ruck, and I think the regulator takes

(51:21):
it seriously and conducts audits and absolutely people have to
pay it. But in terms of incentive, yeah, maybe the
find does need to be a little bit higher.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
All justin thank you has always appreciate your time. It's
just and Tayumba's National Road Carriers Association Chief Executive twenty
two away from.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
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Speaker 3 (51:42):
Turdle with us this evening, Tim Wilson of the Maximum
Institute and Carmen Parahy of Towaha Media Director There, Hello.

Speaker 18 (51:48):
You too, Hell like your Cura.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Good evening, Tim. The RUX boycott is it really going
to happen?

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Ah? You know what I mean? Some people joined the
Facebook group and they got hot under the collar. Now
let's roll back the clock a bit to twenty nineteen.
Do you remember storm Area fifty one where there's supposed
to be all that secret stuff about UFOs and two
million people said they'd do it, and you know how
many people showed up under one hundred and fact.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
I have no idea what you'll think. What the hell
are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (52:21):
I'm talking about stuff on the intact actually translating into
real life. Carmen knows all about it. She probably signed up,
did you, Carmen?

Speaker 5 (52:28):
For the alien I wanted to see aliens?

Speaker 3 (52:30):
Is now everyone wants to see aliens. But I think
it's a fair point that Tim is making right just
because you say you're going to do something on the interwebs.
It doesn't mean you're actually going to do.

Speaker 5 (52:38):
It, but it does show that people are hurting. This
is painful, it's so expensive, it's gross. How the heck
are these transport companies, the small ones, the medium ones,
How the heck are they supposed to survive to the
end of this year?

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (52:56):
What's the solution? Where who is providing solutions for our Truman?

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Does there have to be a solution or is this
unfortunately and I hate saying this because I sound callous
and I'm not, but is this not like these things
happen in our lives and this may just be something
that we have to tough out.

Speaker 5 (53:16):
Wherever there are issues, there are always solutions. This is
where people got to get innovative. They've going to come
up with things. Sometimes the most basic solution or the
thing that we can actually do, could fix a problem
really easily. So often it's the simplest way of doing it.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
What is it?

Speaker 5 (53:33):
I don't know because I'm not an expert, But somebody
out there, your listeners, perhaps they might have some great
ideas about how road user charges, how we could pay
for that, How could transport companies find ways to survive,
find ways to not have to pay that. It's not
even about having to pay that, because it's right. You

(53:57):
have to pay it. Everyone has to pay their tax
and it costs a lot of money.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
If you don't.

Speaker 5 (54:02):
But what is the solution. There's got to be solutions.
And this is my problem with the government is they
lack solutions here. We were over prepared for the cyclone
that some winds turned up, but there were there were
problems for some people. I don't want to underplay what happened,
but we were over prepared for the cyclone that didn't
turn up, and we were We are so underprepared by

(54:22):
this government for the long term pain that we are
currently in that people unaware. I so worry about communities
and people and small business owners because they do not
understand the implications of the pain we are all going
to suffer in the next twelve to eighteen fairpoint.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
Fair point, I think, Tim.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Go yeah, I think what's what's what's probably going to
happen is that it'll be passed on to consumers.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
Well, it'll get more.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Which gets us to the ocile for.

Speaker 5 (54:58):
Those for the transporting of So there's all these knock
on effects, right.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
Yeah, yeah, I mean because I just don't know what, like,
what preparation could you possibly do? Do you know what
I mean? For Donald Trump? Lockading the straight up humors,
but fair point to have raised it. Listen, tim quickly
on the well shall I say? I won't say quickly?
Actually on the Crusaders with the horses. Now, I know
Carmen is really exercised by this. What's your view? Do
you are you exercised by the loss of the horses?

Speaker 2 (55:25):
I am, I am. The Crusaders horses were the coolest
mascot in Rugby, no question. The Hurricanes they had that
lame pilot dude, the chief said little Chief, which is
even lamer, looks like Ai generated And the Blues have
a mascot that looks like it was from Wish, which
is tim move for people who are cheap. We can't

(55:46):
have horses, let's have let's get Camel's in rename the
Crusaders the Saracens. Trump would love it. And you know, Camel's,
Camel's Camel's.

Speaker 5 (55:55):
Oh lord, oh my day, I've got another one, because
you know it's about solutions, guys. Yeah, And so I'm thinking,
because the problem is it's a small arena, right, and
so they don't want to pop horses to say health
and safety issue.

Speaker 6 (56:09):
Right.

Speaker 5 (56:10):
So hobby horsing.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
So are you talking about miniature horses?

Speaker 5 (56:14):
No, no, hobby horsing. You don't know hobby horse or
is it the wooden thing? We're talking about fairies. You
could have some fairies in there doing the Crusaders, doing
the Crusaders, madscot fairies and hobby horsing, that's what the crusaders.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
We're going back to Timo for those blow up ones
where you can put the costume on you like you
basically walk around the stadium with the horse hanging.

Speaker 5 (56:38):
Google it.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Seventy cents on wesh. Team is too expensive to West.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
All right, we'll take a break and we'll just get
these guys to calm down. After that, come back and
talk about Donald Trump. Sixteen away from Sex.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
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Speaker 3 (56:58):
Right, you're back with a huddle two Wilson and Carmen
part of heat him as a Catholic? How offended are
you by the depiction of Jesus.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Well, it's I mean, it's just that I don't worry whither.
It's only the first commandment. It can't be that important.
Actually it is. I'm not offended, actually a petty Trump
because his emotional incontinence is just so evident. And we
say to our kids all the time, you know there
is such a thing as bad attention, But he doesn't

(57:27):
seem to know that it would be able to tell
the difference between good attention and bad attention. He just
wants the attention. Now, going up against the pope, run
the numbers, bro the papers. He's been around for two
thousand years. You've been here about five minutes. I don't
think you're going to work.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
It's not credible, is it? Corm And that he that
he says that he didn't realize he was Jesus in
the picture, and I thought he was a red crosswork.

Speaker 5 (57:48):
Yeah, it's he He knew what he was, though they
knew what that image was all about. And it's totally
Jesus doing to think. What I do love is that
there is appalling out that the guy that he's healing
is a young Epstein.

Speaker 6 (58:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
Did you look at the picture and think it looked
like Epstein?

Speaker 5 (58:06):
I did, just because I looked him and thought who
does he look like? And then I saw that there
was commentary around.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Them being Epstein.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Yeah, I wondered to say.

Speaker 5 (58:16):
Four in the background as well, because up in the
sky I thought that four or odin.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
I didn't really get past Jesus to be honesty on
the calling out of the pope, though, tim To be fair,
the Pope is asking for it, and he is not
a political right like there is benefits to him in
taking on Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Look, you know what's what's happening here? Actually, and there
was there was an Italian thinker called Augusto Doolacco back
in the sixties. He said that when the transcendent came
at or like a sort of sense of spiritual values
evacuated the public square, it will be filled up with politics.
And I think he was actually quite prophetic. That's what's

(58:57):
happening is that politics are kin is becoming a junk spirituality.
I think the Pope's actually been fairly measured, to be honest.
But this this sense that oh, you know, well, this
is what Pope's done depicting himself as Jesus, I'm the Savior.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
Yeah, okay, so, but I think this is an important
point here Carmen in that the Pope everybody will you know,
if you look at it just on first blush, you
think over the pope's the good guy and Donald Trump's
a bad guy here. But the Pope actually has got
there is some branding upside to taking on Donald Trump,
because if you place yourself in contrast to Donald Trump,
you look good. You get the numbers coming back into

(59:33):
the church potentially. And also the Pope's argument has thus far,
I mean we've talked about it on the show in
the last week and a half or so, it has
been has been quite weak, and he's baited Donald Trump
to this position. So is it actually possible that the
Pope wanted to get to this point where they're having
a spat publicly.

Speaker 5 (59:48):
Yeap, and could of because there are two things. One,
he's talking directly to his follow us, yep. And that's
really important that they stand up for what they believe
in too. This is where I thought it was interesting
because Trump does actually have a strong Christian base, and

(01:00:11):
so for him to put himself as Jesus, I thought
that wasn't very clever because he's going to piss off
his own base.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
Yeah, it's a big call. Do you think on the boycott, Tim,
do you think this has the chance of working? The blockade?

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Oh, the blockade?

Speaker 6 (01:00:27):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Yeah, I just wonder about America's naval capacity to actually
exercise it properly. And my understanding about the American Navy
is that actually they don't have sufficient capacity to do
it in the way that they hope to. So let's see,
I'm not convinced it's going to play out.

Speaker 6 (01:00:47):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
Yeah, So basically too big a s for a few
ships to patrol. What do you reckon? Comany?

Speaker 5 (01:00:51):
I did want to size the ceasefire whether they were
positioning themselves to get to the straight. So, uh so
the sease fire.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
Because there was an argument when the ceasefire was called.
There was a question as to whether Donald Trump was
doing this in good faith or just taking a moment
to reload. And are you of the view that it
was just a teenable pause to reload? I did so
he could buy the time to get himself to the
straight in order to enforce a blockade.

Speaker 5 (01:01:19):
And so yeah, for the blockade, for everything else that
they want to do.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Having having said that, though the number of months that
who'd you have on talking about the blockade just after
five he.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
Was Kelly ekol Westpac.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
That's right, that's right, Kelly Ekov, the Westpac guy, Like okay,
So it's like our blockade, you know, five months that
is going to get him really close to the November
midterms and there's no way and you think about where
the price of petrol will be, the m price of
guess scasolene will be then and also the effect like
you know, Kelly was talking about a global recession or

(01:01:53):
that's going to play well in the you know, in
the in the voting booths of Middle America. No, it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Yeah, he needs to get I mean he's under some
significant time pressure as well as a question of who
can last at the longest. Guys, good to talk to you.
Thank you as always. Tim Wilson, Maximum Institute, Carmen Padah
Torwaha Media Director. Right now, it's nine away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
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Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
On the Rucks, Heather. People may not realize if they're
not in the industry, but the rucks, just as an
example of the vehicles our company operates relate to around
four hundred dollars per day per vehicle, So that's forty
thousand dollars a day for all of our vehicles, forty
thousand dollars a day. And then the fuel at an
extra six hundred dollars per day per truck relates to
around one hundred thousand dollars per day extra in fuel mark.

(01:02:42):
Thank you very much. The significant numbers that we're talking
about there, Haza and Mesa, I told you about this
was gonna keep an eye on it. Haza and Mesa
have landed a nousy and apparently they've gone to a
children's hospital or something like that because and they've got crowds,
and the crowds are loving them because of course, if
you're can to turn up at children I mean, you know,
if you can to turn up at children's hospital, of
course they're gonna love you, because that's just Royal Tour

(01:03:04):
one oh one, isn't it. But what I am enjoying
is how obviously the Australian papers are just hating these two.
Sydney Morning Herald is reporting everything. So they've got the
flight number QF ninety four where they were sitting row
number three business class and a Dreamliner, and no whisking
out of the airport through the back entrance to the

(01:03:24):
police motorcade like it wasn't twenty eighteen. Just private cars
to pick them up like normal punters this time. And
the Sydney Morning Herald refers to them as Prince Harry
and the Lightning Rod formerly known as Meghan Markle just
drips with hatred, doesn't It's five away from six now
bad news unfortunately, if you have been following what's been
going on with fashion in this country, yet another clothing

(01:03:47):
brand is shutting up shop. This is win Hamlin. Win
Hamelin is it's probably it's at the price yet well,
I mean, I suppose they all really are, but it's
at the priceier end of things. I've just put up
on social media that the latest spring Summer twenty twenty
six collection will be the last for now, so the
sort of taking a pause rather than canceling it all together.

(01:04:10):
Very interesting story behind wind Hamlin, by the way, The
founder a chap called wind crawl Shaw used to be
a land surveyor. Like he's a blowkey bloke, and he
decided about ten years ago he started getting into the fashion,
was enjoying it. He decided ten years ago to leave
his job and set up win Hamlin and really make
a go of it, and it actually worked out really well.
He's been a little bit cryptic as to why it

(01:04:31):
is that he's given up. He says the director consumer
business continues to grow annually, but the quote broader structure
around it is no longer serving us in the way
that it once did. Over time, the landscape around us
has shifted. The model we've been working with then no
longer supports the way we want to create. I don't
know what that means, and I've read it about five
times thinking is there something wrong with me?

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
Am?

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
I not, but I know I think it's deliberately quite
quite cryptic. These guys have. It's a patty they've given
up because they have very very near He made it
really really big. Michelle Obama did a podcast I think
it was November last year, and she was wearing one
of their cardigans and it went and there was some chap.
It was on Sydney on Saturday Night Live and there
was wearing one of the Blazers and that went big

(01:05:13):
as well. So that warned by people who know what
looks good. I mean, I don't want to put myself
in that category, but I do have one coat, just
the one, because they are so pricey but also of
such good quality. I bought the one and Tris Shurson
actually walked into the studio wearing exactly the same quote
So coat. So I counted myself in very good company
as a result of it. Anyway, that coat has outlasted

(01:05:36):
the entire business by the looks of things, So hopefully
it is just a pause and they come back.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
What we're hearing on the Cook Straight Fairies is that,
unfortunately the unreliability of the Cox Straight Fairies are starting
to impact tourism and there are people who are now
avoiding the upper Upper South Island and the Lower North
Island because they don't want to have to go to
these places and then rely on the fairry to get
them across. We're going to go next to destination Marlborough.
Just find out if this is true or not. Stand
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Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
Even in coming up in the next hour, Paul Bloxham
out of Australia on how he's reconsidering things inflation wise
with the blockade now in place. Jamie McKay on what
he makes of Fontira's new boss, and Endebrady is with
us out of the UK. Of course. It's coming up
eight past six now. New Zealand is apparently starting to
get a reputation overseas for how hard it can be
to travel between the North and South Islands. A tourism

(01:06:54):
operator who attended the ITB Berlin trade Show, which is
one of the world's largest tourism events, said it was
being discussed quite openly. They say a key concern for
visitors is the risk of being stuck because of fairy disruptions.
Tracy Green is the general manager of Destination Marlborough and
with us. Hi, Tracy, hi head, how are you to know?
I'm very well, thank you. Is this what you're hearing?
This is being discussed offshore? Yeah, look, it absolutely is.

Speaker 7 (01:07:18):
It's something that we try to ignore, but Unfortunately, it's
the drummers getting a little bit louder as time goes
on and is more events occur with the Cookstrek crossing.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
Okay, so who was discussing at overseas? At what level
is this being discussed.

Speaker 7 (01:07:33):
Look, it's been discussed at a level of what we
call inbound operators or wholesalers, so people that sell travel
onto other travel agencies and then further on to the consumer.
So it's peeking up momentum from the shear fact that
some of these operators have been really challenged by the
events that occurred this year, and it's front of mine.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
Is this for us make or break? Or are they
still going to send people to New Zealand They're just
going to say if you want to go between the
two islands, you've got to fly. You cannot rely on
the fairies.

Speaker 7 (01:08:03):
Look, that's a good question. I don't think it's make
or break, And there is definitely a concern, especially when
it comes to group travel traveling across the Cook Straight.
It's very difficult to reorganize a twenty passenger trip in
the height of a summer season. But for what we
call the ft traveler or the independent traveler. The Cook

(01:08:26):
Straight Ferry is an iconic trip and one that many
people put on their bucket list when they're coming to
New Zealand. So I don't think it will disappear. It's
just frustrating and disappointing for those that are impacted by
the disruptions.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
How much of a problem is it for Marlborough itself?
Like how do people get to you? Is it predominantly
coming across the ferry from Wellington or is it coming
up the South Island.

Speaker 7 (01:08:47):
I look at the mixture, but we are definitely a
key connector. The Cook Straight is a key connector for
those longer itineries that head in from Auckland and then
they fly out of either christ Stretch or Queens Down.
But it's hard to put a an absolute number on it,
but it definitely is. It is a concern, but we
are still seeing really strong numbers on both the Into

(01:09:09):
Islander and the Blue Bridge, and it's really hard to
predict how much of a disrupted these conversations are causing.
It's just an uncomfortable conversation to be having because we
don't like to hear things that put a dampener on
people coming to Marlboro. And even to the top of
the South.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
Yeah, I mean for tourret for you guys. I would
imagine the bigger risk is not that people. Obviously, you
need to fear, as we've discussed, you need a fear
bit of money to come out here anyway, So you're
going to catch a plane, you're not going to catch
the fairy. It seems to be the bigger problem is
that the idea catches on that we're a bit third world.
Is that a problem?

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Yes, it is.

Speaker 7 (01:09:46):
Look, it is definitely a problem that if it does
catch on, it's going to be very hard and very
difficult for us to turn that momentum around. And it
started with the twenty twenty three disruption and it's kind
of building a little bit of momentum. And look, we
can't wait for those fairies to get here, those new
fairies to get here. It's unfortunate that they're not coming

(01:10:08):
this year. But we're looking down the barrel of twenty
twenty nine when we'll have those new fairies and hoping
that that solves some of the problem. But between now
and then, there's a lot of work that we have
to do as a region, being Marlborough, but also at
the top of the South has to continue to promote
the destination for people to see above and over this

(01:10:29):
cook straight issue because it's not always it's not always
a problem, it's occasionally a problem.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
Yeah, hey, thank you. Tracy has always appreciate your time.
Tracy Green, General Manager Destination, Marlborough. I suspect if it
hasn't occurred to you yet. As time goes on and
we wait down to winters are coming on, those fairies
coming in twenty twenty nine or something, the closes as
this drags on because the new grant Robertson's ferries should
be arriving this year, but Nikola canceled them, and Nicola
made us wait another three years. And as these three

(01:10:54):
years drag on, it will become more and more obvious
to you that it was actually a mistake to carry
it to cancel the i REX project. I truly believe
that listen to this here, that we use inter Islander
for five return crossings per week for our business, have
been for the last ten years. Was told last week
by them that we have no sailings for three months
when the Kaitucki goes to dry dock. Their response was,

(01:11:16):
we just have to close our business for three months, bloody,
hopeless and only getting worse. That's what we're dealing with
it right. Here are the numbers for you. Ends at
X fifty down zero points zero two percent today, so
you can call that absolutely flat. The ASX fifty is
up zero points six three percent so far today. Barrel
of Brent crude oil costs ninety eight US dollars now,
that is down one percent today, so it's come back

(01:11:37):
under the one hundred dollar mark as probably because I ran,
because Donald Trump said a run, has called him a
wance a piece deal again. One New Zealand dollar is
worth fifty nine US cents, eighty three ASIE cents, fifty
euro cents, forty three UK PENSL ninety three EN six thirteen.

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Speaker 11 (01:12:35):
Good I here, how are you going?

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Very well?

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Thank you?

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
So tell me what you make of Fonterra's new boss.

Speaker 11 (01:12:41):
Well, I've met the bloke a few times. See Look,
I think it was the world's worst ketch secret that
he was the anointed one. Peter McBride, the Chair, was
on my show today saying that Miles Hurrell had initiated
succession planning as long as five years ago. So, Richard Allen,
he's got a I think his title as President of
Global Ingredients. Spent quite a bit of time in America

(01:13:02):
to get a title like that. But he's in charge
of the ingredients business, which is now more important than
ever for Fonterra because they've obviously sold their consumer brands
and as of today, the farmer's got the check for
that swapping effectively an assets for cash because yet they've
got two dollars a share, but basically the shares have

(01:13:23):
dropped by two dollars in simple mathematical equation. But it's
still good news for the New Zealand economy, whether it's
lifting the GDP by as much as one percent. So
this appointment, by the way, and I didn't hear your
show yesterday, and I don't know whether you cover it
or not, and whether I'm repeating old ground here, but
just twenty eight days after the Miles horrible resignation, would

(01:13:48):
have to suggest to you that this was an inside job.
And it's a good inside job as well, because I
don't want to relitigate history. But last time we had
a flash for and a come in it ended in
tears for Fonterra. Miles Hurralls come from the coal face,
as has Richard Allen. He's worked at my milk and
farm sauce and farm sources, that Fonterra store that all

(01:14:10):
the farmers deal with. Legend has it Miles Hurrell knew
just about the name of every single Fonterra farmer. I'm
exaggerating a wee bit there, but he certainly had a
lot of FaceTime to use modern terminology with them. Richard
Allen's the same look, he's a good appointment.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
What is this warning from the accounting firm in Index?

Speaker 11 (01:14:30):
Yeah, well this was an interesting one to me because
it is a bit of a windfall. The average payout
is four hundred thousand dollars. It is a return on capital. Therefore,
there isn't a tax implication, but there could be tax
implications Findex and other accounting companies too, I might saying,
I just read their press release. They're saying taking funds

(01:14:53):
out of a company structure without tax implications is not likely.
They're saying if the Fonterra shareholding is held in it
by a dairy farming company, and many of the farms
will be company set ups, spending funds on things that
are not assets of the company either, such as holidays
or a new car, and if I got four hundred

(01:15:14):
grand from Fonterra, I'd be out for both of those.
They cannot be done heither without triggering tax consequences. So
look the messages to the Fonterra farmers. No doubt they
will have banked it today. A lot of them might
have paid the whole lot, use the whole lot to
pay off debt. That's the best warm of investment. Others
will be making spending decisions. The advice is just talk

(01:15:36):
to your consultant or financial advisor before you spend the money.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
Yeah, fair advice to go. I think now, listen, how
have the Kiwi fruit done with the cyclone?

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
Really well? Really well?

Speaker 11 (01:15:48):
Actually I'm involved in a wee bit of very small
involvement too, I might add hither with a kiwi fruit
growing business in the Bay of Plenty in Gisbon and
cyclone Gabrielle and twenty twenty three. It absolutely got smacked,
especially in the Gisbon region. And even though there's a
lot of surface flooding, a lot of wind damage, there's

(01:16:10):
trees down, and we're certainly not belittling or writing off
the effect that cyclone Vayan who had. But it moved
through so quickly that it hasn't rarely been an issue
for the Kiwi fruit industry. They're right in the middle
of harvest at the moment the red stuff swell through.
The gold harvest is about forty percent of the way through,
so they're right at the peak there, and the green

(01:16:33):
has sort of just got started. It's last cab off
the rank with about ten percent of the harvest on.
But what the worry is after the surface flooding. Kiwi
fruit don't like wet feet, so if the water hangs
around for too long, that's no good. And the other
one is wind rup with these high winds that came through.
You know, kiwi fruit rubbing against one another effectively or

(01:16:53):
against a branch, and that scars the fruit and therefore
makes it less valuable. It's not top grade exports stuff.
But all in all, Heather are bullock dodged?

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
Yep, sounds like it. Hey, Jamie has always thank you
so much. Look after yourself. Jamie Mackay, host of the Country,
Heather love your show. It's Vaisaki, which is new year
for Sikhs, of which there are many in New Zealand,
so please give it a shout out. Thank you, Susie.
Six to twenty one.

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, The Business Hour
with Heather Duplicy Allen and Mass Insurance and investments. Your
futures in good hands. Us talks'd be hither.

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
The fairies are so unreliable that I book the day
I want to cross, just so you know it's actually
running on the day, and then I book a refundable
ticket on the other ferry the next day, just in
case the first day is counseled. Lord, Hey, I don't
I bring this stuff to you from the Taxpayers Union,
or I quote a lot of stuff from the Taxpayers Union,

(01:17:49):
because I love the fact that there are people out
there looking after our taxpayer funds, at least trying. But
it always occurs to me that I might be making
you unreasonably angry, like it might just be spiking your
blood pressure when I do this on the regular, because
there's a lot of waste of our money. So you
need to tell me if you want to hear this
stuff or if it just makes you too angry. Because

(01:18:10):
I got another one from you. This landed in my
mbox today. Taxpayers Union has this is they're running a
campaign at the moment on this money that's been given
to the University of Auckland to help pay for science.
And just so you know for sure, yes, I did
the rabbit fingers. When I did the air fingers, the
air quotes science because it's not really science, is it.

(01:18:32):
So we're paying for the University of Auckland Science. Now,
this particular money is designed to solve and protect New
Zealand's biodiversity. So you need to remember this when I
tell you what we've spent the money on. Okay, this
is the same money, FYI. This is one hundred and
fifty six thousand that went to the kermit A patch,
which I could have got them six or seven committer

(01:18:54):
down the road for twelve dollars. But anyway, whatever, they
spend one hundred and fifty six thousand dollars on trying
to remember how ancient Maori planted comitter. So the latest
one is that they spent three hundred thousand dollars three
hundred yep, sweet old, a nice house deposit in Auckland,
three hundred thousand dollars in what they call an Art
in Schools for Forest Health project, children's art to explore

(01:19:19):
and communicate forest health issues, supported by mentors and artists
with local connections. The funding enabled work created by years
five to six students from Cornini Primary School in Glen
Eden and Cody Park School in beech Haven as part
of a collaborative research project with researchers from the University
of Auckland SLASH why Pappa tomaterro Do you want to

(01:19:41):
know what that is? In English? We paid three hundred
thousand dollars for kids from those schools to paint trees.
Oh shit, you not three hundred thousand dollars for kids
to paint trees. Again, God had done it for three
dollars at my house if you wanted me to. Personnel
costs one hundred and eighty eight thousand Subcontracturu Media. Well
done you getting on the old um the gravy train.

(01:20:03):
There I mate seventy five thousand dollars. Travel for field
work and engagement twenty two thousand dollars, project costs and
consumables fifteen thousand dollars. Again, the point of it is
to solve and protect New Zealand's biodiversity. Now, I think
we can all agree that getting the kids to paint
trees does not do that. Six twenty six, there's no

(01:20:24):
business like show business. Nickelodeon has suffered a massive cyber
attack that's just destroyed the release of an upcoming film.
Avatar The Last Airbender is an animated show that ran
on Nickelodeon in the two thousands. It's The Little Bald Monkey,
Walled Monk, boy who can control the air, the water,
the fire, and the earth. It's a big deal for

(01:20:44):
the people who love this stuff. Anyway, The first proper
sequel to the series is set to come out in October.
It is hotly anticipated. But the problem is you can
now watch the entire film online for free, not in October,
in April today. Hackers Today released the entire Higher movie
in HD before fans even had a chance to see
a trailer. This is the first leak of an entire

(01:21:05):
film before its release since the Interview in twenty fourteen,
and that leak happened because of a direct cyber attack
from North Korea. Blessed Nickelodeon. They've been trying their hardest
to take it down, but entire action scenes and key
plot points have popped up all over social media, which
means people have already watched it now. This is bad
because Nickelodeon is owned by Paramount, which, if you'll remember,
is currently going through an attempt to buy Warner Brothers.

(01:21:27):
This isn't exactly going to go down well with the
shareholders who make the decision. The film's producers obviously aren't happy.
They've taken to x formerly known as Twitter to say
as much. It is illegal for me to tell you
to go and watch the leaked version, so you need
to wait and watch the official version when it hits
paramount plus on October nine. Okay. And also before you

(01:21:50):
do that, send me a text and let me know
if that tax payers Union stuff about the kids painting
the trees makes you too angry and I should desist
or do you want more of that stuff when it
hits my inbox? Nine two nine to Paul Bloxham, is
with us next on what he's pecking with inflation now.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
Ef it's to do with money. It matters to you.
The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and Mas Insurance
and investments. Your futures in good hands us talks.

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
I'd be we can last teacher Nature here is with
our cende Brady out of the UK. And ten minutes
time it's been putted over in Australia by the Daily
Mail that Ben Robert Smith was planning to leave Australia.
You know what I'm talking about. It's the essays Chap
who's just been charged with us five different crimes of
war crime murder offenses. Anyway, Daily Mail reckons he was

(01:22:44):
planning to move overseas to pursue work opportunities, because obviously,
given all the stuff that's going on in Australia, he
would have been a bit hard to get a job there.
Still in custody, by the way, since his arrest. He's
due to appear and court on Friday, and apparently we'll
look for bail then. Twenty four away from seven now,
Australian business and consumer sentiment has fallen to COVID pandemic lows.

(01:23:04):
Agspec's chief economist Paul Bloxham is with us on this
high Paul Good aim. I mean we're talking about two
different surveys here, one dealing with consumer one dealing with
business sentiment, but both have crashed, haven't they.

Speaker 10 (01:23:16):
That's right.

Speaker 15 (01:23:16):
So the consumer sentiment survey is for April and it
fell really sharply and got to its lowest level since
I think twenty twenty three. Although that's the sort of
that's you know, the pandemic and the previous levels times
it has been at those levels have been the global
financial crisis and the nineteen nineties recession, so we took
them at quite low levels. And the other survey that

(01:23:37):
came out today is the business one and that fell
as well quite sharply, lowest level in six years. It's
for March. So yeah, some fairly clear signals that the
Australian economy is facing some tougher times that we think
it's sort of two shocks. It's the fact that of

(01:23:58):
course energy prices gone a few prices have gone up
sharply on the back of the Middle East conflict and
its impact. But also the fact that the RBA has
been lifting interest rates. We've had two interest rate rises
from them back to back in February and in March.
And I think if you combine those two forces, they
are cutting pretty heavily into household disposable incomes. And we
think that's going to mean that consumers are going.

Speaker 21 (01:24:20):
To pull back.

Speaker 15 (01:24:20):
And I think these are the first signs of that
flowing through to some of the sort of indicators that
we get for the economy.

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
Can we untangle in these numbers pull how much of
this is based on what has already happened, like the
prices that have already gone up, and how much this
is based on perhaps fear or clarity about how bad
this could be.

Speaker 15 (01:24:40):
It's difficult to do that with it. You know, particularly
with these indicators. But I mean, I think the thing
you can say with the consumer sentiment one is that
it's both March and April, so it's a later reading,
so it's got a lot of what's already happened in it.
I'd say the Business survey is an earlier reading because
actually it's for March. It's not really sort of that.

(01:25:02):
A lot of the bad news that's come from offshore
has played has played out through March and into early April,
so I think there's probably still more downside yet to come.
On the business front.

Speaker 6 (01:25:12):
I think the Business.

Speaker 15 (01:25:14):
Confidence indicator, which is what we keep track of, is
that's the one that's fallen really sharply. There's a conditions
index as well that actually held up okay in March,
but it turns out, you know, that confidence tends to
lead the conditions. If confidence falls, it's then that conditions
start to weaken. So I would say we're not out
of the woods yet. There's still more weakness to come.
And the way we're thinking about this is this is

(01:25:36):
sort of supports the view that we've got that we
think GDP will probably contract in Australia in the second quarter,
so this is the quarter we're currently in and this
is the sort of leading or early indications that that's likely.

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
Is have we had confidence in this country full comparably
in New Zealand.

Speaker 15 (01:25:54):
No, New Zealand looks a bit better and I've been
saying this for a few weeks now that I think
New Zealand is in a bit better spot altogether for
dealing with the shock that you're that we're now facing.
The PMI indicators haven't fallen as sharply in New Zealand
as you've as you've seen in these confidence indicators in Australia.
And I think the other thing to keep in mind

(01:26:16):
is having had a weaker economy for a period of
the last three years in New Zealand, that's broad inflation
down such that inflation has already come down a bit
and it's not far off where the RBNZ needs it
to be. And of course now we're facing another inflation shock,
but that's a better starting point than where we are
in Australia, where inflation actually has been surging over the

(01:26:38):
past over the second half of last.

Speaker 3 (01:26:39):
Year and is already too high even before.

Speaker 15 (01:26:42):
We account for the fact that now we've got another
step up in petrol prices and the cost base. So
New Zealand the RBNZ is in a bit better spot
I think than the RBA. It may may not be
sort of that comforting the reason you're there because actually
conditions have been weak for the past three years, but
it is a better spot to be in to have
a bit of spere capacity in your an economy and

(01:27:04):
have inflation that's a bit lower when you face another
global inflation shop than what's happening here in Australia, where
inflation is already too high.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
Yeah, now this blockade that's happened, is this forcing you
to reconsider any of your forecasts.

Speaker 15 (01:27:19):
Look, we're watching these developments very closely. I mean every
day there's something new to keep in mind. I think
the main thing that we would take you from this
is at the moment, the key thing to watch for
is when does the flow of energy start again, When
does the strait of hormas really open up? And when
do we start to get the ships coming through. And
the longer that goes on, the longer it goes on,

(01:27:42):
the more disruptive it's likely to be. I think there's
still quite a bit of a lag between sort of
the fact that it's been closed now for about six
weeks and it hasn't and the actual impact it's going
to have on energy markets. There's a lag between those
things because if you think about it, the ships that
had left six weeks ago are now arriving at refineries. Well,

(01:28:02):
there won't be another set of ships to follow it, necessarily,
And so I think this is going to play out
over the next few months. And as I say, the
longer it goes on, the more disruptive it's likely to be.
The larger downside risk it creates to the global growth
and to local growth as well. So it's obviously not
over yet because the Strait is still not open.

Speaker 3 (01:28:23):
Yeah too right, Paul, thank you as always appreciate it.
We'll talk to you next week. Paul Bloxham, HSB Chief Economist,
right now, coming up eighteen away from seven ever duples
Ellen Heather, how thoughtful of North Korea to release Avatar
in New Zealand and the school holidays. Of course, no
one will watch it, of course, not Kate. We don't
know that it was North Korea this time, but you know,

(01:28:43):
you know, you tend to blame the guys who did
it last time. Here the name and shame the person
that approved that kid's picture spending. This is really the
Taxpayers Union, that would be the Ministry for Business Innovation
and Employment. Maybe they're just trying to employ the kids. Hither,
you're too entertaining when it comes to the taxpas Union information.
So unfortunately, as much as I hate hearing about money

(01:29:05):
being wasted, you'll need to keep on going with that segment.
I shall Hither. I love the Taxpays Union piece. I
would like more, but I would really like it if
you had the vice chancellor of Auckland University defending how
our three hundred thousand dollars was spent. That is not
a bad idea. Cray, you are an honorary producer. So
I'm looking at the producers right now. We will call
Auckland University tomorrow, and we'll call the Ministry for Business

(01:29:27):
Innovation and Employment and SA if either of them want
to come on and talk about how painting trees at
any of these schools saves the tree. So tune in
tomorrow and you see where we're at with that. Listen,
just quickly got a new winner in the most expensive
suburban New Zealand competition. And well done to you, Arrowtown.
You are now very unaffordable. You are now the most
unaffordable place in the country. Average asking price in Arrowtown

(01:29:51):
three million dollars. How good? Next up? Par now two
point sixty four million, Then Westmea two point five nine million,
Rammers slip back to fourth and Pons and Bee is
running out the top five.

Speaker 6 (01:30:02):
Question.

Speaker 3 (01:30:03):
This is according to trade Me's latest Property Pulse report.
Can someone explain to me how westme is sitting so high?

Speaker 7 (01:30:08):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
Is it just that there are some really large properties
that drag everything up? Well, what's going on there? I
went to a house at we in Westmea the other
day for a kid's party. I was quite well impressed
with it. I wonder if it's the size of the sections,
because they've still got the really big sections where you
can fit like a house and then a backyard and
then an entire pool complex in the back as well.
Is that what's going on? Because given the proximity like it,

(01:30:33):
it's quite a lot further away from town than your
Pons and Be so I would have thought that would
drag the price down. But maybe it's the size of
the section.

Speaker 14 (01:30:40):
Let me know.

Speaker 3 (01:30:41):
Nine two nine two. Auckland is still dominating fifteen of
the top twenty most expensive spots, but South Island's doing
its bit now because the old Central Otago is coming along.
So you've got one aka Queenstown and Aratown and then
also Fendleton. Just round it out sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:30:56):
Approaching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather duples
Allen on the Business Hour with MAS Insurance and Investments.
Your futures in good hands US talks'd be the.

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
West mayor has a number of waterfront properties and it's
only six or seven minutes to downtown Auckland. Really, really
six or seven minutes, I'd say, war you'd be going
fifteen to twenty, wouldn't you in the morning commute. But
I take your point about the waterfront properties that will
be pushing the price up. Thirteen away from seven. Indo

(01:31:28):
Brady UK correspondence with US.

Speaker 21 (01:31:30):
Hello Ender, he Ver, great to speak to you again.

Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
Right, So what did the Queen say, apparently about Brexit?

Speaker 21 (01:31:37):
Well we know she said it because Obama has been
interviewed for a new book by an American writer called
Susan Paige's called All the Queen's Presidents and Basically, it
goes back to a lunch in April twenty sixteen, he
was President of the United States, President Obama, Queen Elizabeth
the Second sitting down in private, having lunch windsor Castle,

(01:31:59):
and the one topic of conversation in the United Kingdom
at that point and ever since really has been Brexit.
And she said to Obama that she could simply not
understand why David Cameron, as Prime Minister, had called a
referendum when he didn't know what the outcome would be.
And she felt that a matter of such huge national

(01:32:19):
importance should not be handed over and decided on a plebiscite.
So she was not a fan of the Brexit referendum.
And I think she escaped with Scotland by the skin
of her teeth because Cameron also masterminded that situation, the
Scottish referendum unindependent. So the one other point she made

(01:32:40):
in this lunch as well, she actually said to Obama,
this is a couple of weeks before Trump got the
Republican nomination in twenty sixteen. She could not understand how
such a man could get so close to running your country.
That was what the Queen said to Obama about Trump.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
Well, then she will be very pleased to not be
here to see that a very similar man, Nigel Farage,
might be in Downing Street.

Speaker 21 (01:33:03):
Yes, a new poll out suggests that if there were
to be a UK general election this week, Reform UK
would win in excess of three hundred seats and that
will put Nigel Farage into power as Prime Minister in
Number ten Downing Street. So we do have local elections
coming up in May in England council elections, and then

(01:33:24):
there are national elections for the Scottish Parliament and the
Welsh Senate in May as well. All the polling is
pretty dire for Labor and Forage is absolutely everywhere. Turned
on any TV channel, radio station, pick up a newspaper.
Everyone's talking to him. The only question I would have
for Nigel Farage because we're still paying the price of

(01:33:46):
Brexit here. You know, this country used to be a mansion.
They've rebuilt a bungalow and now they want to hand
the keys over to the arsonists who destroyed the mansion.
That's that's what I would say to Farage. But he
seems to have an answer for everything but them. Let's
see what happens in three years time.

Speaker 3 (01:34:02):
All right, So what's happening with the deep fried meals
at the schools?

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
No more?

Speaker 21 (01:34:06):
So the government is intervening here. They're very concerned about
childhood obesity. We've got a situation here now, Heather, where
at the end of primary school one in three children
are leaving obese and heading into secondary school. Obese kids
coming out of primary school. Something has gone very badly wrong.
So the government getting involved. No more deep fried food,

(01:34:29):
no more sausage rolls, and no more pizzas kind of
poor quality, heavy calorie food that they can grab and
go and no more. Now what's going to happen is
all the food manufacturers and catering companies are going to
say to the government, rising energy costs, we can't deliver
healthy food that you want at the price that you're paying.
So over the care starmer. But as of now, deep

(01:34:52):
fried food gone from the school menus.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:54):
Interesting. Hey, thank you very much, really appreciate it as
always in that it's nice to talk to you. Into
Brady uk Corres. Happy days for Japan. First time in
ten years that there were more babies born in Tokyo
than year before. Because of course this is important, as
you know, because Japan has the world's oldest population and
is very deep in an aging population crisis. So they've

(01:35:14):
only got the numbers from January to November last year,
they had seventy seven three hundred and seventy five berths.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
That is up.

Speaker 3 (01:35:20):
It's less than a percent, but we're going to take
what we can. Is up zero point seven percent on
the previous year. The total for the whole year is
expected to surpass twenty twenty fourth nine away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:35:32):
It's the Heather two for see allan Drive full show
podcast on iHeartRadio powered by news dog ZBI.

Speaker 3 (01:35:39):
I love texts at start like this. While I don't
always agree with you, Heather, you were one hundred percent
correct about the illegal cigarette ashe prohibition won't work and
has never worked. I'm an ex smoker. I fully support
those who want to smoke smoke. If that means with
illegal segis, then got on them. You had to be
totally thick if you didn't see this coming. Do you
know what that's from? Truth? I was a young reporter.

(01:36:01):
This would have been twenty years ago. The Sigi company
is going hard on trying to push the idea that
the black market would one day become a big problem
in New Zealand, and I because they put it in
my head, I keep on looking for signs of it,
and I never see signs of it. And this is
genuinely the first year, and maybe I could say last
year that I've seen the signs of it that the
Asian siggies are coming in real cheap and for sale,

(01:36:21):
as Barry says, in all of the k Road stores
in Auckland and various other places across the country. Now
five away from seven, it is the run up to
the election. So what that means is all the political
parties are announcing their candidates and when they do it,
they put out a press release and they go, Mahesh
is standing in Atomiki, here's mahsh All of the National
Party candidates have the same background, not exactly the same,

(01:36:44):
but it's the same vibe. They've all got the green
foliage in the back. So it started with Ankit Bansel,
who was named for Parmeerston North. Therey is he's got
beautiful green foliage in the background. Then Angie Nicholas and
started noticing it's striving ants crazy. He was like, look, Angie,
Angie for Henderson, she's got some green look Dale, Altia Stevens,
christ Church Central more green, Matthew French, Taierri beautiful green park,

(01:37:08):
Mahesh and Tarmaki beautifully pruned hedges and trees green Blair
Cameron bit of an edge case, bit of an edge
case because he's got a view of the city behind
him and there's lots of green, but plenty of blue
as well. But it really fell apart yesterday, didn't it
ends it was yesterday Katie's day.

Speaker 9 (01:37:26):
Yeah, I think so. This is the photoshop job right.

Speaker 3 (01:37:29):
Oh No, the photoshop job really fell.

Speaker 14 (01:37:31):
Who was that?

Speaker 3 (01:37:31):
That was Alexandra David's Katie was the West Coast. Oh yeah,
Alexandra chopped herself out and stuck herself in front of
a green.

Speaker 9 (01:37:39):
Spoken to the National Party, and we do know that
that photo was intd digitally oltled.

Speaker 3 (01:37:42):
Yes, Katie was the worst. Katie is my mate from
the West Coast, Tasman Katie was what was she with?
Deer Federaid Farmers, one of those peak bodies Anyway, Katie.
Katie took the photo herself as she didn't have a
background of green. She just took it in front of
some wooden planks and I don't know what happened there.
I mean, Katie, you have photographers in the West Coast.

(01:38:03):
You don't have to diy your own Fox shows, and
you definitely have Bush in the West Coast. I don't
know what happened there anyway, it was badly out of focus, mate,
it was.

Speaker 22 (01:38:10):
A shoka yeah post. You wants around the country not
necessarily take photos, That's true. Avenge Sevenfold back country to
play us out today. It's very good news. Avenge Sevenfold
coming back to New Zealand for the first time in
twelve years. You will have to get to Spark Arena
in Auckland. The show's happening on the twenty third of
October this year and tickets go on sale later this week.

Speaker 3 (01:38:29):
How are these people?

Speaker 18 (01:38:31):
Are there?

Speaker 9 (01:38:31):
A heavy middle band from Huntington Beach, California.

Speaker 22 (01:38:34):
They've been making music since ninety nine, so I'm really
big in the noughties, okay, with quite a solid body
of work.

Speaker 3 (01:38:39):
So there are quite a lot of people listening right now.

Speaker 22 (01:38:41):
Ants who went oh yeah, then right, Okay, if you
went to Metallica, had a great time. Okay, these guys
are not Metallica, but like that sort of music. Maybe
slightly less successful and less iconic, but like that sort
of music might make a jam to some of the
sort of music, And this is probably so.

Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
I might go there and be like, hey, I saw
you at Metallica.

Speaker 9 (01:38:59):
Yeah, the cons, the clubs surely all over this one.

Speaker 3 (01:39:01):
Oh yeah, sounds like that stuffn't it not.

Speaker 1 (01:39:05):
Or for more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive, listen live

(01:39:41):
to news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or
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