Full Show Podcast: 14 May 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only drive show you can try the truck to
ask the questions, we get the answers, find a fat
sack and give the analysis. Heather Duplicy ellend Drive with
One New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile news dogs.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Be afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, We've
got Chris Hopkins on Chris lux and going all anti
migrants on the business community, Nicol Ravashanka, the Air New
Zealand chief executive on the massive projected loss. And we'll
get you across the all white squad name for the
World Cup. Heather Duplicy, Allan, here's a question for you,
how badly did we get ripped off? If it's true

(00:36):
that we paid three million dollars to get Robbie Williams here.
Now we don't know for sure, for sure that that
is the amount of money that the government paid out
of its major Events fund, but that is what Wayne Brown,
the Mayor of Auckland, has revealed today in a fit
of peak at the government, and so far nobody's publicly
denied it, not even Louise Upston, who's the minister in
charge of the money. And privately we at the show
have had at least one what I would call soft

(00:59):
confirmation that the amount is correct. Now, if that's true,
three million dollars for as Wayne Brown calls him a
tattooed palm, as a lot of money and it's too
much money. We're wasting tax payer money here for a start.
As excited as I personally am to be going to
Robbie's concert in November, I don't think a nineties pop
star is what we imagined the Major Events Fund would

(01:20):
have been used for when it was set up after
we missed out on Taylor Swift, an Oasis and Lady Gaga.
I mean two in that list are proper A list
stars and one is a massively overdue reunion. Completely different league,
completely different league to Robbie. An offshore promoter told a
three million dollars is way too much to pay for
Robbie Singapore. This will put it in perspective for you.
Singapore reportedly paid three million dollars in New Zealand for

(01:43):
six Taylor Swift concerts two years ago. Now, if three
million dollars buys you six tataes, how did we end
up blowing three million dollars on only one Robbie? We've
been ripped off good and proper here. And the proof
is in the fact that the tickets are apparently not
selling very well at the moment. But then again, then again,
some mind, Okay, maybe this is what we just need
to get used to and stop fighting it. Robbie and

(02:04):
Lincoln Park may well be just the best that New
Zealand can do. Now, big stars like Lady Gaga and
Oasis and Tata and Harry Styles are going to go
to Australia, not here, and they're going to expect us
to come to them, and we will. I'm flying to
Harry Styles. I flew to Oasis. Heaps of people flew
to Tata. That's how it works now. And if we're
going to want a former boy band member Hope peaked

(02:26):
in the nineties to come to New Zealand, we are
simply going to have to pay a lot of money
for him.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Ever do for Cee Allen.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Nineteen nine Two's the text number. Nick Saultner, who's the
boss of Eden Park, is going to talk us through
this after five o'clock. Right now, let's turn to the
old devil jabs that make your skinny. Far Mac has
announced its planning to make GLP one like ozempic more
widely available for people with diabetes. Under the proposal, twenty
five thousand more diabetic key whis will gain access to
the drugs over the next few years. David Seymour is

(02:57):
the Minister for FARMAC and with US Hi, David, Now,
is is this just for people who already have diabetes
or is this also going to catch people who are
too fat who may well develop diabetes.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
So, without calling anyone too fat, FARMAC are assessing two
applications and at least one of them is for obesity.
So it's it's both of those things. And as for
where FARMAC get to with that assessment, obviously you know
I'm not not trying to influence them, but nonetheless that
there's clearly a lot of potential investing in these types

(03:34):
of drugs to prevent other health problems down the line.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Right, So is this so those people would not necessarily
have diabetes, it's in case they develop diabetes.

Speaker 5 (03:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
Yeah, So, as I understand.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
It, bem, I have to be for to be eligible
for this.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
Well again, I don't want to. I don't I don't
have the full briefing from FARMAC as far as what
they consider and part of that is because they eventually
if they funded in a negotiation with the nova and
artists of the world to procure it so that they

(04:10):
try not to play cards with poker on their table.
So not going to say what your BMI had to be,
for example, But that's the kind of thing they're looking at.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Okay, but it's going to be very small proportion of
people who would be overweight, right, because the number of
people in this country whose BMI actually does qualify them
for a prescription is enormous, isn't it. It's like hundreds
of thousands of people.

Speaker 6 (04:31):
Yeah, well that's.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
What the UK have done, and you know they've obviously
made their choice. But it is true that you can
spend an enormous amount of money and there are two
basic issues with paying it back. Number one is that
if you stop people developing diabetes well into the future,
then that is going to save the taxpayer money on

(04:55):
things like dialysis in about ten years time. And it's
quite challenging the way that our current government budgeting process
works to capture those sorts of benefits today. That's number one,
and number two our healthcare system when it comes to
accounting for the costs of things like putting a person
on dialysis. They don't do what they call price and

(05:16):
volume funding, so it's actually difficult to make the case
that you're saving money if they don't know what things cost.
So I'm not trying to make excuses, but we've made
a lot of progress on this kind of whole of
society approach to funding medicines that will save us money
in the long term. But that's some of the challenges
that we're running to so far, and it just means

(05:36):
we've got to keep fixing those things.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
What is the ethnicity based eligibility criteria that have been.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
Removed, Well, previously there's been applicability where if you know
a Mari or Pacific then that becomes a factor and
whether you get considered. The government has a need not
race policy, and what we've found is that generally you
look at most illnesses, they don't actually disproportionately affect people

(06:06):
because of their race. They affect people because of their age,
because of their body mass index, perhaps because of their habits.
Those things are usually will help you catch people who
have just the same amount of risk but are a
different race without lumping a whole lot of people in together.

(06:27):
Just because they happen to be Mai, which I am
strongly opposed to as a concept.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Ye fair enough, Okay, and listen thoughts on air New
Zealand and it's projected loss.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
Well, the in New Zealand love to be an icon
of New Zealand in the best of times. Unfortunately, I
think they have to wear that in the worst of times.
And in many ways their New Zealand has become a
flagship for what ails us. They spent a huge amount
of time pursuing every single pet project, from hydrogen to
paper cups to sustainable sustainable agri aviation fuel to you

(07:02):
very long glossy reports about climate change. And yet what
they haven't done is what Peter Blake would do is
ask will this make the boat go faster and in
their case take off and land at the right time
for an affordable price. Now, I would argue that that
is partly because of the border appointments and the letters

(07:23):
of expectation that Grant Robertson gave them five years or
so ago. You're seeing the flow through of that. But
I'd also argue that you know, the same sort of
distraction politics is one of the reasons that we have
a real challenge with productivity growth in New Zealand. We've
pursued too many blind allys, not enough making the boat
go faster and in a funny way in New Zealand.

(07:45):
Is an icon for New Zealand, but probably not the
one they'd want to be.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Well said David. Thanks very much, appreciated David Seymore, ministrative
for Farmac. So yeah, in New Zealand has warned of
a heavy loss for the financial year. The full financial year,
it's now expecting to post a pre tax annual loss
of between three one hundred and forty and three hundred
and ninety million dollars. Ouch. It's basically down to the
jet fuel cost, which is no surprise to you. They
thought it was going to be seven hundred and forty.

(08:08):
They thought that the jet fuel would cost them. Now
I'll give the ill give you the number, seven hundred
and forty million dollars for the year, right, so basically
three quarters of a bill. It's now nine hundred and eighty.
So it's now basically a bill. So it's a quarter
of a billion dollar difference. Air New Zealand Shells shares
have fallen three percent following the update. They have now
lost a third of their value in the past year. Honestly,
if you were still holding in New Zealand shares, I'm like,

(08:30):
what are you doing? But then again, maybe it's the
sunk cost thing. May be hoping for a miracle. By
the way, Nicol Ravashank, the Air New Zealand Chief Executive,
was with us in studio after half past five at
sixteen past four.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
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Speaker 2 (08:53):
Oasis peaked in the nineties too. Yes, I know Oasis
peaked in the nineties, but you missed my point. Oasis
is not the same as because Oasis peaked in the nineties,
then it had a gigantic fight and then they didn't
do any more concerts, and then we've been waiting for
them to reunite. When they reunited, we absolutely all melted down, right,
it was an overdue reunion. Robi's been going the whole time.
Robbie has burnt this country out like a bit like

(09:14):
Ed Sheeran, like, that's enough from you, Robbie, It's enough
from you.

Speaker 7 (09:17):
Ed.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Robbie appears to have built the whole burnt the whole
world out with all his constant touring, which is why
he had to do the Netflix throw things sitting in
his undies just to get attention to follow what I'm saying.
Just because they both peaked in the nineties does not
make them equals nineteen past four good Sports.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
With generate celebrating great performances in sport and Kiwi Saver against.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Darcy water Grave Sports tourkhosters of That Stars.

Speaker 6 (09:39):
Let's Hope Tool never get sick of coming to New
Zealand because there are Servius, They're hair all the time.
They oh yeah, five times I've seen them now.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, and that math rock prog rock, prog rock. Hey,
answer you are you ending the show with that math
rock band? Got a treat for you. This is the
most hype up banned in the world at the moment.
You need to see. They're on stage costumes like they're
quite fun of It was the Telegraph that was writing about,
like they're the thing to see at the moment. And

(10:09):
I think they're French and they are a math band
and what's the name? No, I don't know it as well. No,
but so anyway, listen at the end of the show.
Just you can start a You'll show might be at
b be ally. Now talk to me about the All
Whites squad. Do you like what you see?

Speaker 6 (10:24):
I'm not a football expert. I'm not going to lie
to you. There'd be no point. Everyone would see through this.
After twenty five years, they got old, mate. But when
you look at the team and you look at the selections,
none of these really are surprises. And I spent a
lot of time talking with Jason Pine, who is a
football expert, around the expectations and what the players are

(10:47):
all going to do, and all sounds pretty standard. But
what I like the most about this all Whites team,
I'll talk to Costa barbarusis about that tonight. He's been selected.
He nearly went to the two thousand and teen one,
but he didn't get picked, and so finally he gets
back there again. It's the preparation he's hell on football.
Need to be applauded for the effort they've put into

(11:09):
making sure this team. I just lost my focus. Man spoken, Yeah,
I know.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Do you know what he said in your ear?

Speaker 6 (11:19):
Yeah? Something about a Canadian two pieceought you're talking about
a Dodgy suit or something. No, but they've they've left
no stone unturned. They've preferced team so well, well they
could be French Canadian. It's a come by rong that.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Explains that they had a French name. They're from Canada.

Speaker 6 (11:35):
Rights are well prepared and they've had everything in front
of them, so you'd expect well expectations getting past the
first round. That's what they need to do and that's
pretty much sep. We'll talk to our cost about that
later on. The piece and the changes he's gone.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Through really quickly, really quickly. How much trouble is idiot?
It was it very bad or was it just a
little bit bad?

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Ah?

Speaker 6 (11:57):
Well, they took some money off him, like they demoted
him wage wise, and they kick him out of the
game for four six weeks, four games six weeks.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
To say, though, what that do?

Speaker 6 (12:08):
The exact words he said, he would have been a
bit cussy, But it just pulls me back to what
happened tomorrow at that. It's not saying yesterday with.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
The darts, it's I think reef's a fair game for
a bit of lip No I do. I think it's okay,
not on the not not an amateur sport level, but
a professional refuse.

Speaker 6 (12:24):
It's demonstrable. You've got someone like Eddie Jones, a coach
thinks he thinks okay to gob off at of referees,
and that does trickle down? Does treckle down?

Speaker 2 (12:34):
That's the dumbest argument in the world. You're the second
person trying to make this today.

Speaker 6 (12:38):
Who is the other one?

Speaker 2 (12:38):
I don't know, somebody done, probably kep. No, wait, you've
got to go. I've got to talk about this on it.
You've sparked me off.

Speaker 6 (12:46):
On this, Okay, that's fine, get back on your needs again.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Does you want to need another hormone patch? Sports Talk
Ghost He's back at seven two.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with
one New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile news talks.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
They'd be The band's name, according to a number of Texters,
is a Jean de Poitrine and they are French Canadian
and actually thank you because that is exactly who the
band is. Right, So what happened? We now know why.
The boss of why Catta Rugby came out and said, listen, parents,
you need to settle down We're two weeks into the

(13:26):
season and you already misbehaving. What has happened was it
was a game between Saint John's College and Fraser High School,
and it was an under fourteen game, so the kids
are thirteen years old. The parents punched two of the
kids and put another one in the headlock. And I think,
if I remember correctly, the kids were punched in the
face by the parents. Now that is pretty shocking stuff. Now,
first of all, okay, I do not for one second

(13:48):
believe that watching someone mouth off like what Eddie Jones
mouthing off as a professional coach having a bit of
a at the referee, I think it's fine. And I
also think it's okay for us to have a crack
at the referee, like I don't. I think professional referees,
if it's their job, they're making contentious calls. We care
about the game, they're going to have to just copy

(14:08):
it sometimes from us. I think it's fine. I think
it's different when it comes to amateur referees, and you
have to respect that. But if for one I do
not for one second believe that Eddie Jones mouthing off
at a referee leads parents on the side of a
y Catto game. To think it's okay to start punching
kids in the face like that leap of logic is
far too much for me. However, I would like to
know what the hell is going on with parents that

(14:29):
they think that this is okay. I'd like to posit
a theory. All right, there's two things going on. The
first thing is I think we're we're overly involved in
our kids' lives. Like you should be involved in your
child's life, absolutely, but the emotional involvement you have if
you're starting to get upset because their squad is losing,
like you need to check that that's unhealthy. You're helicoptering

(14:50):
that kid hard. But also I suspect that what we're
getting into here is some bad behavior from some people
who have not learned how to behave themselves, and they're
under cost of living pressures or whatever it is, because
life is tough at the moment and quite miserable, and
they're kicking up and that and everybody else needs to
police that at the sidelines and tell them that's not okay.
It's just frankly not okay. But it's not Eddie Jones's fault.

(15:11):
There are many things that are Eddie Jones's fault, but
that's not it. Heather, Mike Here, I saw Robbie and
Concert in Napier with a big group of friends a
few years ago. He had a shocker. Actually, my friend
was at this and she said exactly the same thing.
He wouldn't shut up, keep talking about himself. No wonder
he's struggling to sell tickets this time around, Heather, ozembic
is the best preventative medicine for a country's health.

Speaker 8 (15:30):
Go for it.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
That's right. If you're fat and you don't want to
be fat, get on that devil jab that'll make you
stop being fat. Real smart news is next.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Hard questions, strong opinion.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Heather du for the ell and drive with One New
Zealand and the power of satellite mobile news Dog said, be.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
When you're playing some you thank him that I'm involved
in coaching adults and kids in a martial art. Then
the number of parents who shout out one welcome an
incorrect direction to their kids is infuriating as a coach.
As I said, I think we just needs to be
less emotionally involved sometimes, don't you think a little bit
less of the old helicoptering is a healthy boundary there. Anyway,

(16:12):
We've got another poll out. This one has National at
twenty nine percent. Now, it's the usual thing that always happens.
You get the Taxpayer's Union Curier poll, it gives National
a decent number. As a result of that, someone leaks
the Talbot Mills pole, which is Labor affiliated and it
usually puts Labor. It puts National on a worse number
than Labor, which is exactly what has happened today because
it always happens. So according to the Talbot Mills poll

(16:33):
leaked today, National is on twenty nine Labor has a
commanding lead of thirty six. New Zealand First is on
fourteen percent, the Green Party is on nine percent, and
Actors on seven percent. In the Maldi parties on two percent. Now,
while I am cynical about this and can see exactly
what is going on here, I can also agree that
it is not good for National because thirty percent, even

(16:56):
even the Taxpayers Union poll yesterday that had National on
thirty on the dot, it's not that good. Ah. It's like,
that's not a great number for National to be sitting
it on. Because if you cast your mind back to
what happened in twenty twenty when Judith went into the
election campaign on what did she go in at thirty two,
thirty three, thirty somewhere around there. Let's just split it.

(17:16):
Let's just go thirty one. So let's say she went
in and thod where did she come out after four
weeks of campaigning? I think it was twenty six, wasn't it?
Or thereabout? National will drop off. So if they go
in at thirty, well you do the maths. It's not
that good. Barry soapers with us shortly twenty three away
from five.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Chinese President Jijingping has hosted Donald Trump and the Great
Hall of the People in Beijing today.

Speaker 7 (17:39):
Heirs g China and the United States don't stand to
gain from cooperation and lose from confrontation. We should be partners,
not rivals, so we should help each other succeed and
prosper together.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
And if you thought he was being nice, just wait
till you hear Trumpy.

Speaker 9 (17:55):
We're going to have a fantastic future together. Truspect for China,
at the job you've done, you're a great leader. I
say it to everybody.

Speaker 6 (18:04):
You're a great leader.

Speaker 9 (18:06):
Sometimes people don't like me saying it, but I say
it anywhere because it's true. I always see the truth.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Over in Australia, the opposition leader Angus Taylor has promised
to scrap most of the government's budget from this week
if the Coalition returns to power. He also announced a
plan to stop non citizens being eligible for welfare and
the pension.

Speaker 10 (18:24):
If you are not an Australian citizen, then you don't
get the privileges of an Australian citizen. And I'd encourage
people who are committed to this country to become a citizen.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
And finally, sales of terrifying looking robot wolves are through
the roof in Japan. It's called the monster Wolf. It's
going to set you back six seven hundred New Zealand dollars.
It can make fifty different loud noises, it can flash
bright red eyes and shake its head around. Monster wolves
are popular with farmers and golf course owners who want
to keep wild animals away from their land at nights.

(18:54):
Qu It's marta and they're probably great pranks as well.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
International correspondence with Insurance Peace of Mind for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Muriel's our Australian correspondence with us.

Speaker 11 (19:06):
Hello muz, good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
So what do you make of Angus Taylor?

Speaker 3 (19:09):
Then?

Speaker 11 (19:10):
Yeah, look it's just it's fascinating, really and truly the
opposition isn't quite sure what to do. We had the
Shadow Treasure on last Sunday on national television saying he
hated one nation was toxic. The Angus Taylor has to
treat a finer line, if you like, because, let's face it,

(19:32):
look what happened in Farah. The right wing these days,
the conservative side of politics is owned by Pauline Hanson.
What does Angus Taylor do? Well, Okay, he's come out.
He's pinched a lot of Pauline Hanson's policies. For example,
the migrant intake in Australia will be tied to the
number of homes in this country built the previous financial year.

(19:54):
For example, I mean after COVID five hundred and fifty
thousand people arrived in the twelve months when co had finished.
Now that's a heck of a lot of people. It's
double what would be that perhaps the normal intake? So
he's having to tread a line, ok, migration has to
be capped. They don't like the Paris Climate Accord, for example.

(20:14):
For Labor, it's interesting what Labor is doing is saying
we had to rebalance the budget. Yes, we told you know,
we've broken election promises. We are unapologetic though, because what
we're trying to do is give young people a leg up.
Guess who votes for Labor, Heather young people. They don't
vote for Angus Taylor, won't vote for Pauline Hanson in
a blue fit. They're going to vote Labor or Greens

(20:36):
or independence. And so it's a political wedge for Angus,
for Angus Taylor. Labour's got ninety four seats in the Parliment.
It's a long road back and how they navigate that
road is going to be absolutely fascinating.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Now, listen, run me through this debate about how to
respond to the murder of that little.

Speaker 11 (20:55):
Girl in our Yeah, it's bloody horrible, right, So it's
come down now, because don't forget, this child and this
little girl's mother were both living in the most appalling
and squalid conditions you can imagine. Both mum and the
child had been notified to authorities that each was at risk. Right,

(21:17):
So it's devolving into an argument between the welfare risk
to women and children, and the risk is exceptionally high,
higher than any other population cohort in Australia, and you
have to balance out against the cultural expectations. Now up
till now, up until yesterday, in fact, when the Northern

(21:39):
Territory government changed the rules, the government changed legislation which
basically heather puts the safety of children as the primary consideration.
Right up until now, there's been this kind of loosely
nationally recognized cultural imperative that says an Indigenous ild removed

(22:00):
for safety reasons and an ideal world will be placed
with an Indigenous family for cultural reasons. Now that doesn't
always work. There's not always an appropriate indigenous family member available,
nor a foster Indigenous person. And so what they've done
in the Northern Territory say listen, enough's enough, we're going
to stop this. You can't have five year old children

(22:21):
being abducted from a body home that's probably home to
about fifteen twenty people, most of them have been drinking.
It's an all too common problem that all of a
sudden has made itself a national headline because of this
child's tragic death. It wasn't as though they didn't know it.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
There should be a slam dunk argument. I mean, I
know it should truly surely a child safety Trump's everything,
including of.

Speaker 11 (22:45):
Course yes, but you know you've got any number of
Indigenous organizations here saying no, no, no, you can't have
this kind of white privileged sort of argument thing. And
sadly that's what has come to. It should be a
slam dunk. The safety of a five year old girl.
She should be removed from that because the guy who

(23:06):
allegedly sexually assaulted and murdered her, he'd been out of
jail for five minutes, right, he's turned up was he wanted?
Who knows? But the authorities in the Northern Territory. So
we can't keep repeating the same problems. Luckily, luckily most
of the time, most of the time, it doesn't end
up with the death of a little girl five years old.
I mean, it's tragedy everywhere you look. There's no easy

(23:29):
answers either federal the Northern Territory government says, you know what,
we've changed the rules as of Wednesday this week.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Mass I appreciate your running us through that. Thank you, mate.
Hard to hear, but worth listening to. Murray Olds Australia
Correspondents seventeen away from five Heather do for see elis
subject of Australia. The guy who was the founder and
the CEO of Aura here in New Zealand. This is
the retail crime software platform reckons. The CGT situation, the
capital gains situation in New Zealand, as in US, having
no capital gains tax is now an advantage of Australia

(24:00):
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(24:24):
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(24:46):
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(25:07):
well said. Sixteen away from five.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
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Speaker 2 (25:15):
Nixt Aorton of the CEO of Eden Park's going to
be with us after five on paying three million dollars
for Robbie Williams to come here. It's thirteen away from five.
Barry Soaper is with us High Barry. Good afternoon, Heather, Right,
what do you make of the Talbot Mills poll.

Speaker 6 (25:27):
Well, it's interesting, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (25:28):
It was this poll that everybody was waiting with baited
breath last month on to look at Chris Luckson's future
as a result of it. And of course he passed
the vote of confidence in himself and won it and
came out and I don't think you'll see any murmurings
as a result of this. And I think what New

(25:50):
Zealand does have to get used to is the MMP
environment where the two main parties National and Labor one
may coming on election day ahead of the other any
which way, but it really depends, as all MMP parliaments do,
depends on the minor parties. That's with the exception of

(26:12):
course of the COVID election that brought the Labor Party
on its own, which is very rare under the MMP system.
But if you look back to nineteen ninety six, the
first year of MMP, well, in fact, not the first
year because it's Winston Peter's got seventeen seats in the

(26:33):
first year, but just go back to what happened in
two thousand and seventy, which is when Labor Jasin Dardun
came into power. The Nets came home on the election
day with thirty four percent of the vote Labor twenty
eight percent. Now, you would have thought, and everybody assumed
that New Zealand First would go out and give the

(26:54):
election to the National Party because most of the public
decided that they wanted to continue. You were a party
that was started with John Key and left over to
Bill English to do the job. But he didn't do that,
so he turned it around and that was the first
example since nineteen ninety six that we've seen of MMP

(27:15):
actually working, even though a lot of people didn't like it.
So we're talking now, you know, at the Talbot Mills
poll at the moment a National twenty nine. Ironically, it's
almost the same differences between the two parties, only in
reverse of twenty seventeen if you held an election today.
But of course the person who'll decide who was going

(27:37):
to be the Prime minister would again be Winston.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Can I just pick you up on something though, it's
not you say New Zealanders need to get used to
the big parties being smaller. It's not us. That's the problem.
It's the National Party MP's.

Speaker 5 (27:50):
Well, because the Polsters.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
No, it's the National Party MPs who are not getting
used to it. No, I totally because they are the
ones who have to get you. And it's hard for them, Barry,
because it means they have fewer of them in caucus, right,
fewer of them that a lot of them are going
to lose their jobs. And when they sit around that
cabinet table, right, it's not going to be eighteen National
MPs and two others or sixteen and four others or whatever.

(28:14):
It's going to be ten of them and ten others.

Speaker 5 (28:16):
Most of them are more dissatisfied of those that are
not saying around the cabinet table.

Speaker 6 (28:20):
And that's the problem.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
But it is a massive loss of power for the
major party to get used to the other ones causing
the trouble and wanting to roll.

Speaker 5 (28:27):
Precisely, you know, that's what they have to get used
to that they are not going to have the power
unbridled as Labor had it. That's very unlikely to happen again.
So they're not going to have the power that they
once had under the old first past the posts.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah, now listen, the move on orders have they been
introduced to Parliament today.

Speaker 5 (28:43):
Well, yeah, the bill's been introduced, which is no real
big deal because we knew it was coming. But of
course it's been an outburst from the Greens and Chloe
Swarbrick says she's been inviting the Prime Minister to go
walking around Auckland streets with it for the past couple
of years and to see the homeless when you don't
have to have the Prime Minis to do that. Because

(29:04):
I walked car down Craying a happy road most weekends
with my little child.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
What does she think is going to happen? You're gonna
walk around school. I love these homeless. They should stay
exactly here like most of us who walk around want
them gone.

Speaker 5 (29:18):
I'll tell you what I have noticed though here though.
The last time I was there, which was on Sunday,
walking down the street, there were a lot of police
on the street aar up talking to the people that
are lying on the streets. Some of them were hurling
abuse at me. Not long before the police came.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
You get abused a lot better.

Speaker 5 (29:36):
There was a guy the other day standing across I
was pushing my baby in the pram and this cry
was he was obviously drugged out on something and he
is screaming the most profane obscenities at me. So I've
done something wrong to him. There must have been the
way I looked at him and I thought, block your ears, baby,
I don't you to hear this, And off he went

(29:57):
down to some side street, no doubt, got to fix
on drugs again and came back and abuse somebody else.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
I mean, it's not blizz no, thank you, Baroni. I
love how this always turns into a discussion about your.

Speaker 5 (30:09):
Gott to talk about your personally, because as we do
in politics, so it's fair.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
You are a rate payer. You pay a lot. I'm
not even taking the piss. You pay a lot to
maintain these streets. You should have the right to walk
down these streets without having people abuse you to the
extent that is going on. Clean clean it up. Thank
you very much. Barry so Per, senior political correspondent, eight
away from five here yourself.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Think it's the my hosking breakfast.

Speaker 12 (30:34):
I've learned a lot about kids in the university, having
had to attend and graduate one still immersed in the
experience as we speak. The takeouts are as follows.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Generally, you go for a reason.

Speaker 12 (30:43):
You've got an idea of what you want to achieve.
Those who don't flound it quickly. I've got many examples
over the years of kids who enrolled because that's what
you do. UNI's always been heavily subsidized anyway, of course,
on the idea that we all benefit. But I've always
thought to suggest you study for anyone other than your
own personal satisfaction and enhance. Its fascical. Just paying an
employer to train a person any more or less wasteful

(31:04):
or artificial than paying a university to train a doctor.
I mean, we need doctors as much, if not more.
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
a Vida News talk z'd be.

Speaker 8 (31:15):
Here.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
The National got forty four percent, and labor got thirty
eight percent and twenty seventeen. Peter quite right, Barry has admitted.
I said to him afterwards, before we saw your text,
I said, Barry, I didn't want to say this to
you on air, but you were about ten percent out
and I didn't want to embarrass you. And then he
admitted to me because I was like, you've probably I've
maxed out how much I can embarrass you this week already,
because yesterday I said some mean things about how tight

(31:38):
he was. Well maybe there was the day before. I
can't remember. Anyway. By the way, I don't know if
you know this, but he bought two blocks of the
one dollar butter. So now my fridge is full of
one dollar butters. But anyway, he's admitted to using chat
hept for facts. I said, Oh, there's a rookie mistake,
isn't it. There's a rookie mistake. You've got to read
your papers. That's full of hallucinations, he said. Last time,
he'll be doing that. It's been claimed, speaking of weird

(32:00):
things that happens in marriages and houses, been claimed that
the reason that Brigitte Macrons slapped a Manuel Macron on
the plane last year was because she found a steamy
text message on his phone. So apparently he'd been texting
with this bird who's an Iranian born journalist who is
actually quite a hot babe, and he said to her,
I found you very pretty, which is just if somebody
texts you and says I find you very pretty. Delete block,

(32:23):
probably block or a creep anyway. This is a claim
that's been made in a new book. Now the wife
denies it. Brigitte denies it. She says that is not
what happens. She says she never looks at her husband's
mobile phone, which is immediately how you know she's lying, ha,
because that is never true. Like, even if you are
not looking at it to snoop, there will be a
time where you know, like you have forgotten your phone

(32:45):
in the bathroom or it can't be bothered, and you're like,
I just need to look at the weather app. Can
I look at the weather app on your phone? I
know you're lying, Brigitte. Everybody looks at their husband's phone
from time to time, but they also lie about this affair.
But because remember apparently at the start they said, oh, look,
it's just an AI generated video. And then when everybody
was like, no, it's not, it's a real video, they
were like, oh yeah, but we were just playing. No,
you were not. Oh there was no text, would it whatever? Heather,

(33:10):
I was reffing a kid's game and a mother ran
onto the field and she grabbed a kid, screaming hands
in the ruck and I said to her, no, he's
the half back. He's allowed to get the ball out.
He's loud of his hands in the ruck. It's unbelievable
what parents are up to yet way too emotionally involved.
Stop trying to live your kid's life for them, New psychos.
Chris Hipkins on Chris Luxon and the immigration debate.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Next our voice.

Speaker 7 (33:33):
I heard the same.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
The only drive show you can try the truck to
ask the questions, get the answers, find the fag sack
and give the analysis. Heather duplicy Ellen Drive with One
New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile news sous they'd.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Be good afternoon. Chris Hopkins has accused Chris Luxon of
embracing the anti migrant rhetoric of his coalition partners. Chris
Hipkins made the comment and State of Auckland speech today
and it refers to Chris Luxon's comment in his speech
yesterday that he will put social cohesion ahead of business
profits in a quote careful policy or migration. Chris Hipkins
is with us now, Hichip.

Speaker 8 (34:11):
Good morning, good afternoon, Good afternoon, Good afternoon. That's still afternoon,
isn't it. Yes, that's right.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
I'm furious. I just heard the news before we get
into this migrant stuff. What is this about no one
cares about the Auckland lockdowns except for z B anymore.
You want to explain that, Oh.

Speaker 8 (34:27):
I never said that either. What I said was.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Hold on, let me quote you. Let me quote you,
because in the stand up a reporter not from Newstalk
ZEDB asked you about the COVID lockdowns and you said,
not one person outside of Newstalk ZB is continuing to
raise that with us.

Speaker 8 (34:41):
That's correct. People aren't raising it. We've been doing public
meetings across Auckland. You know, as I said, us Talk
ZB still raise it, but most people aren't.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
No, most people or all people.

Speaker 8 (34:52):
Well, it's been not been raised with me by anybody else.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Nobody are you telling me? In the city of Auckland,
Nobody except for people employed by Newstalk B have raised
the lockdowns with you. That is correct, except of course
for the reporter who raised it with you, who was
not from news Talk ZB.

Speaker 8 (35:08):
Well, can I tell you.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Irritated by this, chippy, because what you're suggesting is that
this is some sort of an ideological campaign that ZB
is executing on you, when the reason I am angry
about it on a personal level is not because of
who I'm employed by it's because I had to live
through the crap you put me through. I'm angry as
an Aucklander, and I can guarantee you there are people
outside of z B who are angry about it. I
think this is a form of gas lighting, don't you think.

Speaker 8 (35:35):
Well, Heather, if you're going to selectively pick something from
I said that I said this morning, then you should
make sure you relay the entire comment that I'm made.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Well, please please go ahead and do that, which.

Speaker 8 (35:45):
Was that COVID nineteen was a very difficult time for everybody,
and that Auckland bore a disproportionate brunt of the effects
of the COVID nineteen restrictions compared to the rest of
the country. That the rest of the country is indebted
to Auckland and for the contribution that they made to
our COVID nineteen response, but that most of the people

(36:05):
in Auckland now who are talking to us are more
concerned about the future than they are about what happened
four years ago.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Well, I hope this unleashes a torrent of COVID comments
at you, so that you can know it's not just
us now anyway. What is your problem with what Chris Luxon.

Speaker 8 (36:20):
Said, sorry to run that past me again. Remind me
what the questions about the end?

Speaker 2 (36:28):
You have accused Chris Luxen of embracing the anti immigrant
rhetoric of his coalition partners. What is it that he
said that has upset you and made you draw this conclusion.

Speaker 8 (36:39):
Yeah, Christopher Luxean embracing the idea that social cohesion and
immigration are incompatible, I think, is buying into the anti
immigrant rhetoric that's being stoked by New Zealand first in particular,
but also by the ACT Party. Migrants to New Zealand
are contributing enormously to our economy. You look at the

(36:59):
job that they are doing. The people who are looking
after some of our most vulnerable people are often migrant workers.
You know, if you want to worry about social cohesion,
worry about the fact that there are increasing numbers of
people in aged care who are dependent on migrant workers
for their care. Attacking migrant workers, making migrant workers the
bad guys, there's just wrong. Migrant workers contribute hugely to

(37:24):
New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
I agree with you. What's your policy on immigration?

Speaker 8 (37:28):
We want to see immigration stabilized. So if you look
at what happened. I've refreshed my memory on the numbers.
So if you look at what happened in twenty twenty three,
it was a pretty noisy year because it was the
first year after the border reopened. There was a higher
number of people coming in and a higher number going out.
But immigration since then has actually dropped back to a
reasonably stable level. It's slightly higher than it was pre COVID,

(37:50):
but it's generally in line with what the long run
average has been over the last decade or so. And
you know, stable immigration for New Zealand, as long as
we're planning for it, as long as we're building the
infrastructure and the housing to support it, is positive.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
That sounds literally like what he just said. You call
it stable, he calls it careful.

Speaker 8 (38:09):
Well, I mean that he's also embracing and you know,
the narrative that migrants are responsible for the country's economic
ways and I totally reject that.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
All right, Chippie, thank you very much. Chris Hopkins, Labour
Party Leader eleven past five Heather do for ze Alas now,
it's been revealed that the government paid three million dollars
to bring Robbi Williams to New Zealand. He's of course
playing at Eden Park in November. The revelation come from
the came from the Auckland mayor.

Speaker 13 (38:31):
So the government have some slash fund that they got there.
They put three million dollars ahead to have a tattooed
palm come here and sing. We've got lots of tattooed
singers here. Okay, it's not even selling very well.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Nick Sulton is the CEO of Eden Park and with
us highnak good Ena, how are you very well? Thank you?
At least you started with the right time of day. Now,
is it true three million dollars?

Speaker 14 (38:55):
Well, I'm not privy to the level of support that
government's put forward to Robbie Williams. What I would say
is that we welcomed the major event funds and if
a major event funds had have been in position earlier,
the likelihood of getting Taylor Swift to Asis sort of
Lady Gaga would have been much higher. What's your favorite,
Robby Williams song?

Speaker 2 (39:17):
I don't know off the top of my head.

Speaker 14 (39:18):
She's the one. Maybe I was thinking, maybe she's the
one Barry could have perhaps serenade or let me entertain you.
Now this is where I come to the conclusion. When
Tinker was in Auckland, ninety seven percent of hotel beds
were full. We employed three thousand people at Eton Park.

(39:39):
The cafes, restaurants and bars that were vacant during COVID
had the opportunity to sell their wares. Without an event fund,
we wouldn't have had State of Origin. We wouldn't have
had the World Surf League chairman chiefs this weekend in Raglan's.
So a lot of things.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
It's not arguing against having Robbie. It's the cost of
having Robbie. Now, Robbie at three million dollars and nobody
has denied this, and I've been told soft confirmation it's true. Right,
Robbie at three million dollars has cost us the same
as Taylor Swift has cost for six concert at Singapore.
We've paid too much.

Speaker 14 (40:15):
What I would say, we're a country of five million
and we've got to be realistic in terms of the
competitive global market. Perth offered Coldplay five million dollars a show,
and this is the environment that we're competing against the
East Coast of Australia. Auckland is a great city and
we live in a beautiful country. We want to live
in a city where people live, stay, playing, work, but
we also want to get the biggest artists coming to

(40:37):
New Zealand and if that means that we have to
make a contribution. And during the Rugby World Cup the
government investor one hundred and ninety million in Eden Park.
Since then we've seen a billion dollars of economic benefit
for the city. We can't be looking at this as
a subsidy. If we did, you'd be aware that the
film industry gets a forty percent tax subsidy. You'd be

(40:57):
also aware that the gaming industry gets subsidies. Our local
libraries get subs to these. The reality is this is
a strategic investment and when people come, they come as
a tourist, and they come as a ticket older and
lead as a tourist, and we want our people to
stay here. I heard you earlier talking about capital gains
tax in Australia. We want Australians to come here during

(41:18):
state of origin and not just come for the game.
We want them to come and experience Queenstown or christ
Church or dun Eden or Wellington, but also see what
a great country live in. And so major events deliver
far more than just the day, and so I'm really
disappointed to hear the Meres comments. The mere part of

(41:39):
his role is to advocate for our city. Now, I'm
not privy to the investment level. What I am proving
to is the fact the government took a leadership position
on getting major events back into the country. And if
you look at the content that's come through the major
event funt it is exceptional and there's still a number
of other events to come. Promoters taking huge risk when

(42:01):
they come to a market of five million of a
city of one point eight and for me, I work
on content for up to six years in advance, and
so we're very grateful that the promoters are backed our venue,
our National Stadium, to have concert content coming later this year.
We're looking forward to announcing further shows for this year
and next year, and what I want to do is

(42:22):
make sure that when they do come, they have a
great experience. All right, So let's hope that Robbie gets
an opportunity to meet Wayne when he's in town.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
That'll be something to see. Nick Suton, Eden Park's CEO,
give me a ston quickly as Heather do for ce
Ellen Tell Chippy I'm still pissed about the lockdowns. We'll
never forget about it. That's from Ash Heither. Wow, Chippy's
out of touch. Heather, I'm very angry. Hither. That guy
isn't actually can't say the L word on air. He's
just proved that he tells FORBS. Hither, I'm with you.

(42:51):
I'm still furious. He's completely delusional. Hither, I don't work
for ZB. I still have major pts from those bloody lockdowns.
Hither tell Chris, I'm not working for News Talk ZB.
I'm still angry at the lockdowns and it carries on.
He has completely misread this sixteen past. Now, if you've
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(43:57):
a first time Texter. By the way, Chippy saying the
rest of Auckland should be in debt to Auckland. The
rest of New Zealand should be indebted to Auckland. Omg
omg shutting Auckland down during COVID shut the bloody country down.
With Auckland shutdown, that's where all the manufacturing is, et cetera,
et cetera. Amen's sister fellow Auckland are also not over it.
So anyway, I have to be honest with you. I
don't think I've seen the text machine fire up like
that for a very long time, so we'll see how

(44:18):
this goes for Chippy. I just oh, what I would
say is if I could give you a piece of advice,
it would be just so that News Talk ZB is
not on our own on this, which apparently we are.
Just hit them up on the email or the social media.

Speaker 8 (44:30):
Just go for it.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Just let him know. I don't know how you feel
about it, and we'll see if we can maybe make
it not just one group of people raising it. Now,
if you were stressed out about the thought of that
Kiwi coming back from the cruise ship and bringing us
the old Hunter virus, don't worry about it. The Kiwi
doesn't live here. This is one of the things with
having a diaspora out there, lots of Kiwis living in
other parts of the world. This Kiwi is a dual national,

(44:52):
doesn't live in New Zealand. Now, I think the clue
is where that quarantining. The quarantining in Perth at the
moment over in Australia. So I I think this is
an Australia problem if you follow what I'm saying. In
New Zealand. Just a reminder with us after half past
five about that massive loss that they're talking about five
twenty one.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
The day's newspakers talked to Heather first Heather du for
the Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the Power
of Satellite Mobile Newstalk said be heathern.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Nick was very defensive because he knows it's a rip.
Three million dollars for A nineties has been as from
our tax it's ridiculous. Well, you could argue, I mean,
to be fair, he did peak this is Robbie at
two thousand. Two thousand was the release of his big album,
So maybe A nineties has been as too harsh and
maybe it's more like A two thousands has been five
twenty four. Now I'm sorry because this is going to

(45:39):
get This is a little bit chippy heavy at the moment,
but we need to talk about what he said about immigration.
First of all, as I've already said, Labour can frankly
shut up accusing the Nats of anti migrant rhetoric because
this is a party that hasn't got a league to
stand on when it comes to migration. This is the
party and some of the very same people actually who
are still there who campaigned on reducing immigration, but up
to thirty thousand people in twenty seventeen, who produced a

(46:00):
list of Chinese sounding names two years earlier, and who
shut down immigration completely and then did the opposite by
opening it up too much during and after COVID so
on immigration, glass houses, etc. But having said that, what
National is proposing to do to immigration should worry businesses
up and down this country that rely on migrants. And
I'm looking at you the aged care sector wanting to

(46:21):
bring in Filipino workers to look after our elderly, and
I'm looking at you Health New Zealand needing to employ
Indian nurses. And I'm looking at you the construction center
sector needing to bring in general laborers. Because Chris Luxen
has made it very clear in his speech yesterday that
he's shutting his daughter businesses wanting to lobby him for
migrant workers, he said, my message to the business community

(46:42):
is that when it comes to immigration, when I'm faced
with a choice between social stability and your bottom line,
I will choose the former every single time. Now that
begs the question to the Prime Minister, what does social
stability mean? Is that basically you saying we've got too
many Indian migrants, which then begs the question is National
trying to match New Zealand First's anti Indian rhetoric to

(47:04):
avoid losing voters to New Zealand First, which then logically
begs the next question, which is, is lux And putting
his vote share at the election ahead of New Zealand's
need to bring in the workers that we know we
need to bring in, right because we've been through COVID
and we know that we do not do these low
skilled jobs. You need migrants to do them. So I
think we should all be very worried about this. I

(47:24):
think businesses in New Zealand in particular should be very
worried about this. And it begs a final question, which
is if this is the position that National has taken,
is there now even a single party in Parliament that
is looking after New Zealand businesses.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
I'd ever due for ce Ellen's.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Interesting Oh goodness, maybe it's New Zealand First who's doing it?
Because the Americans were in town yesterday. Basically looks like
at the invitation of New Zealand First to talk about
New Zealand's critical minerals mining and what's going on there.
So the meeting was organized by Shane Jones because of
course he's the Resources minister, and he had in this
meeting a allegation from the United States government, a delegation

(48:03):
from the Australian government, the South Korean government, and the
Japanese government. And then they had a handful of mining
bosses in this country basically pitching projects to these guys.
For example, the guys at Ruer Gold who are mining
near Reefton for the antimony on the West Coast. They
were there, they were pitching their projects and basically what
they're trying to get is funding for their projects. And
so the Americans have now gone back to Washington. What

(48:24):
happens next is that they have to give their feedback
to them to the miners, and if they can guarantee
prices like a price floor, a basic price floor, and funding,
then it's on because what we basically what they need.
This is what the miners need, and then they can
get on and just start digging the stuff out of
the ground because the US is of course interested in
funding these projects in allied nations worldwide in the effort
to undermine China's dominance in the sector. So this is

(48:46):
the meeting where it all happens. It feels like people
who are opposing this because there's a little bit of
like a bit of a vibe out there. People don't
love the idea of this, and don't love the idea
of doing not only digging things out of the ground,
but also doing any business with Donald Trump and his lot.
It's kind of get away on them. This is happening
before they can really mount much opposition to it. Anyway,
Good luck with that to the miners and the boss

(49:07):
of Air New Zealand. Next on that massive projected loss.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen
Drive with One New Zealand tender Power of Satellite Mobile
News Talks nd.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
B came over.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
I remember right, We've got the huddle standing by. It's
Tim Wilson and Oscar kite Le this evening and after
six we're going to talk about Airbnb because christ Church
City Council is not loving it and they want a
bunch of councils to lobby the government on that. So
we'll get to it shortly. It's twenty five away from six. Now,
of course, we have more bad news for Air New Zealand.
The airline is now forecasting a full year loss of
close to four hundred million dollars. This is obviously driven

(49:49):
by the war in Iran and related fuel costs. Nicol
Ravashank is Air New Zealand CEO and with US high Nickel. Hi, Hey,
thanks for coming in. I'm well, thank you. It can't
be much fun at the moment, is it.

Speaker 5 (49:59):
It's good fun.

Speaker 15 (50:00):
The fundamentals of the airline is in really good shape. Yeah,
quite genuinely. You know, we've been dealing with these engine
issues for the last four years and as of today
we only have one aircraft grounded. We had twenty percent
of our fleet parked up, So the engines are starting
to come right.

Speaker 6 (50:16):
We have two new.

Speaker 15 (50:16):
Aircraft on its way, We're well through the retrofit program
on the wide bodies, and we've got a strategy that
we all have stacked hands and we're keen to execute it.
But you know, a slight complication is the fact that
there's a war going on and that impacts us so

(50:36):
very directly, and we have to deal with what's in
front of us.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Yeah, but I mean to be fair, this is not
the only thing you're dealing with, right, You're dealing with
a compounding lot of stuff, including a recession in New
Zealand that we've just come through. Are you going to
need a bailout of this carries on no enough cash reserves?

Speaker 15 (50:50):
Yeah, we've You know, COVID Tota is a great lesson
in terms of the war chest. You know, we knew
what we were facing into as we came out of that,
that christ Us was a more volatile and more uncertain world,
and so we've spent the last six years really building
a bigger war chest for the airline, a much bigger

(51:11):
shock absorber, if you will, And that's meant that we
have a long we have a duration of time where
we can cope with this crisis.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Okay, are you going to have to trim flights further?

Speaker 6 (51:23):
We will have to.

Speaker 15 (51:25):
We're making sure that we're giving everyone certainty around what
that's going to look like, so you won't see us
doing any more trimming or consolidating of flights out to
the end of July school holidays. We all want that certainty.
And then by the end of this month and early
into next we will announce what August to October is

(51:48):
going to look like. So well, you know, we either
sort of roll over the changes that we've made into July,
or we might have to go a bit further, depending
on what fuel is doing at any point in time.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
Logical, some of what you're doing may become permanent.

Speaker 15 (52:02):
Right, Not necessarily, no, I mean, one thing that's worth
keeping in mind is the way this crisis has impacted us.

Speaker 8 (52:14):
You know.

Speaker 15 (52:15):
One of the phenomenon in airlines, which when I say
it will sound obvious, but is an important factor is
we sell tickets up to a year ahead of when
you actually fly. Yeah, and so a lot of the
tickets we've sold are well before the crisis, but we
buy fuel on the day, if you will. And so
the crisis impacts us even more because we're now flying

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flights that were priced and sold well before.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
The crisis started. You're losing money on.

Speaker 15 (52:41):
And we honor those prices of course, so when fuel
prices start to settle, it'll take us a longer period
of time to recover some of those cost shocks that
we've had to bear. But we will, you know, work
through that.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
And so am I reading it right that what you're
saying is that what you are doing at the moment
in terms of trimming may longer than the actual the
fuel impacts that we see. We may see fuel comeback,
but you're going to have to keep those trim flights
for a little bit longer.

Speaker 15 (53:07):
As the fuel starts to come down, we'll start to
ease off on the trimming, but it'll be slowly, slowly.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
How do you feel about Quantus seating your lunch because
they're really going hard on New Zealand. Ah.

Speaker 15 (53:17):
Look, in New Zealand, domestically we do about three thousand
flights a week. Our competitor does around three hundred. Yeah,
and we have cut about five percent of our flights flying,
whereas in from Auckland to Wellington, for example, our competitor

(53:38):
has cut thirty four percent and about eighteen percent of
flying has been reduced from Auckland to christ Church. So
I'm not sure any lunch is being eaten.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Kire enough, Nicol, thanks for coming in man. I really
appreciate and beast of black because I know it's a
tough time at the moment. Nicol Revshank in New Zealand CEO.
It's twenty away from six the.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
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Speaker 2 (54:04):
Right, on the huddle with us this evening, we have
Oscar Kitely, artist and local government politician, and Tim Wilson,
MAXIMU Institute. Hire you two going good, Thank you. Okay,
let's start by talking about Chris Hapkins, because I don't know,
I'll tell you what he got me feeling. I mean,
I to quote split ends. I saw a bit of
read this about about forty minutes ago. Tim. Is he

(54:27):
right that it is really only news talk ZB that
remains angry about the COVID lockdowns?

Speaker 16 (54:33):
No, I thought that. I thought that was an I
actually sensed that he was actually a bit nervous about
the interview, just because you know, when he wasn't certain
whether the say good morning or good afternoon. So I
think he came into it with a bit of maybe
he was seeing I don't know read as well. Look, yeah,
I think there are there are people who remember what

(54:55):
happened during COVID in lockdown, and it's I do believe
it's a nificant it was particularly significant in twenty twenty three,
and I'm not sure that it was viscerally felt. I'm
not sure those recollections will abate as quickly as he
would like the other thing is like, you know, he
said in his speech this morning that you create more
social cohesion by finding common cause. Well, you don't do

(55:18):
it by bagging an organization and saying that no one
else is saying. This is an issue that's not really
emphasizing common cause.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Yeah, what do you think, Oscar? I mean, I don't
want to live you sorry for us, Oscar, but I
heard the people who have been gaslighted into thinking no
one else feels like them.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
I think he was just being flippant.

Speaker 17 (55:38):
I think it was possibly a fumbled attempt at humor
and making a glib remark. Possibly he thought the reporter
was from newstalk ZEDB. But they labor paid for all
that the last election. So whether it will continue to
be a factor at this election, we'll see. I mean,
there was a ten percent swing against labor that was

(55:59):
there was the election that last one. So I feel
like all the people that were rightfully annoyed by the
open lockdowns had the essay in that election. I'm not
sure it might still present as an issue this time.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Right, Well, this is the question. Is it eclipsed by
what we're dealing with now? Okay, Tim, Now, National's immigration policy,
the comments from the Prime Minister yesterday worry me? What
about you?

Speaker 16 (56:22):
Look, I haven't actually heard and your editorial was your
editorial was good. I'm not sure. I haven't heard anything
actually about the settings. So I've just heard a general
observation about social cohesion. It doesn't it doesn't worry me,
I think as much perhaps as as it's worrying you.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Look what he's saying. So let's just look at the
agecare sector, right, the agecare sector.

Speaker 16 (56:49):
Oh yeah, no, I know, the agekare sector is full
of the lovely, lovely people from the Philippines, etcetera.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
These people from the Philippines will come in and look
after our elderly and bathe them and why the bums
and do stuff that no care. We appears are prepared
to do.

Speaker 7 (57:03):
Right.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
But what he's saying, if we directed at them, he's saying, guys, sorry,
but if you need more Filipino workers, and there is
a general unhappiness in this country about immigration, you're just
not going to get your people. I'm not sure that.
I don't know what that worries me.

Speaker 17 (57:19):
Yeah, I think he's I think it's totally he's reacting
to some bad polls and also he's seeing what New
Zealand first and actors saying about immigration. I mean, I'm
an immigrant to this country, so I always look at
this issue through an immigrant leans. And the first election
I was in the country for it was an issue
that you know, National back then were in opposition and

(57:40):
they paid Hannah Barbera, you know, thousands of dollars to
make racist cartoons about how violent Islanders are. It's an
issue every single election and I just get so tired
of it. But normally it's crazy opposition parties like one
Nation that brings us up to hear the Prime Minister
seriously engaging as it. And I think I heard Professor
Paul Spooney took the week that it's not even in

(58:01):
the top ten issues of that are worrying New Zealand.
But I think most Kiwis are happy with them the
great We actually have a pretty tough immigration points system
compared to other OECD countries, and I don't think it's
an issue to Kiwi's the way that some parties might
be hoping it will.

Speaker 16 (58:18):
Then yep, I guess, but I guess. What I'm hearing though,
is that that it is clearly an issue because we're
and you can say, okay, what's being made an issue
by parties like New Zealand. First I thought it was
a real bell weather that act weighed in because I
would submit that they're typically a pro immigration party. Look,
you can say this is not an issue, this is

(58:39):
not really an issue, but if Kiwis are worried about it,
then that it is yep.

Speaker 17 (58:43):
Okay, but they are, though it's not even in their
top ten list of worries.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Yes, you know, I agree with Oscar on this tim
where I think, I think it doesn't appear to be
coming up, and yet all the parties I keep getting
told that it is. It is registering for the party,
so maybe they are seeing something in their internal polls.
We're not so well.

Speaker 16 (59:01):
You look at you look at and I asked to
describe them as a crazy party. But one nation doing
very well. You're seeing reform doing very well. I will
counsel against the danger of importing narratives from the United
States or the UK about immigration over here because we're
in a fundamentally different problem. But Australia has social cohesion
problems with legal immigration, so it is certainly something to

(59:22):
talk about.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Okay, listen, guys, it's take a break, come back shortly
quarter to two.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
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Speaker 2 (59:32):
Back of the Huddle, Oscar Kitelee and Tim Wilson. Now, Oscar,
tell me what you think about three million dollars for
Robbie Williams.

Speaker 17 (59:40):
I would pay them three million to not come. But
that's my taste, and I mean, I guess. I mean,
I'm actually for the fun because we need people to
come here. But also I feel like, why make it
easier for promoters if they're not going to take the
risk for these bands, because there are artists who do
want to come, who do bring themselves, And I just
want wonder whether there's slush fund. Sorry, as as Mayor

(01:00:02):
Brown called, it does open itself up for abuse, but
that's the thing with that though, you're never going to
agree on who's worthy of it. But I would have
thought that maybe someone a bit more contemporary would have
been worthing three million dollars rather than Robbie Williams.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
I mean, I feel like we got ripped off here.
Tim Tata did six concerts in Singapore for three million
dollars Hello, Tim, Tim.

Speaker 17 (01:00:28):
He must be a Robbie fan. He might be a
Robbie fan.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
He might Yeah, no, no, no, Ant says, I have
to put him on hold, but I don't want to
because I want to see how long it takes before
Tim comes back to us. Because we've got him up
and so he must be on it. Maybe we should
call him back? Should we call him back? Yeah? I wondered,
what do you Reckon's gone on here, Oscar. He's got
four kids, so I'm thinking that maybe he's just forgotten
he's on the phone to us.

Speaker 17 (01:00:51):
Well, it is that hallish time of the evening for parents,
so it could well be.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
It could be it could be dinner time. Plus also
we've all had colds go through the house, and maybe
he's up with screaming toddlers. Who knows. I reckon though,
and I agree with you Oscott on the fact that
he's not particularly contemporary, but on the on just on
the numbers. If Tita is doing six conson in Singapore
for three mil, then I suspect that we've been ripped off,

(01:01:15):
haven't we three mil for one?

Speaker 17 (01:01:17):
I think, and I think we're open to getting ripped
off because I think we almost slavishly go after these as,
almost as if to say, I mean five million isn't small.
I mean it's the size of Ireland. We still have
a market you before, They still sell more, still sell
more records here than anywhere else in the world. I
sometimes think we hand it too easy to these promoters

(01:01:39):
who are quite lazy and do kind of treat us
like another city in Australia.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Yeah too, Right now, Tim, what happened to you?

Speaker 16 (01:01:45):
I don't know, dropped out? It must be you know what,
There must be some kind of drone over where I
am that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
You hadn't forgotten that you were on the phone to
news dogs ZB No.

Speaker 16 (01:01:55):
And of course I hadn't forgotten. But I don't know,
I don't know what.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
You know what?

Speaker 16 (01:01:59):
It must be. Maybe it's the seventy million dollar fund
has got.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Now I can see what you're doing right now. You're trying,
you're scratching around in your dad brain to come up
with a lame joke. But it's it's going to be lame,
all right.

Speaker 16 (01:02:13):
Well, you know what, since we're doing a mutual rints competition,
you don't compare six tatas in Singapore with two Robbies
in New Zealand because they're fundamentally different operations. Singapore has
got six million people, it's on the way to other places,
has got a lovely airport with Cheney. New Zealand's not
on the hay anywhere, and you've got Auckland and christ Church.
Not a fair fight.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
But we're right next to Australia. I mean maybe something
they could do with money, yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:02:38):
But yeah, so maybe something else they could do rather
than a seventy million dollars slash flowers make it easier
for go to Australia.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
It's also toy here.

Speaker 16 (01:02:45):
If the going rate for Robby is three mil, it
will be thirty mil for Tato.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Well no, it's not thirty mil for Tato though, is it.
It's five hundred thousand per Tato concert in Singapore. In Singapore, Yes,
you're forgetting him that. When you come to New Zealand,
you like you've got to do. Like those guys, the
Counting Crows, they came here for like two weeks. You
come here for a show and then your holiday you
go to Hawks Bay, have some wine, go to Queenstown,

(01:03:09):
do a bit of a skiff. Maybe you pop off
to Fiji for a little bit like we are a
destination where you can also end your tour and have
a bit of a relaxation. There's benefits to being.

Speaker 17 (01:03:19):
Here, right, there's an end of world tour destination.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Oh my gosh, maybe we should we should take over
this fun Listen. I've got a really quick I've got
a quick question for each of you. Okay, Tim, So
we had some parents busted in way Kato rugby game
for punching thirteen year olds and putting one in a headlock.
Why are parents behaving like this?

Speaker 16 (01:03:38):
Yeah? I don't know the answer for that to that,
but it's completely unacceptable. Okay, that's why do you think
they're doing it?

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Because they're way too emotionally involved in their kids rugby game.
What do you think, Oscar?

Speaker 17 (01:03:52):
I think it's insane. It's it's a real indictment on
our society at the moment. If things are like that
are happening normally, it's horrible.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Yeah, I think so too.

Speaker 16 (01:04:01):
All right, too many competitive parents. They should just get
their dad brain out and not be able to come
up with lines to respond.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
To stop it. You're trying again, You're trying again, guys.
I appreciate it. Tim, Wilson Oscar kitely A heard of
this evening seven away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
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Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Hither it sounds like it might be time to copy
Saudi and Katar not only sorry, only issue work visas,
not residency, because the reality is a lot of companies
in this country are using the carrot of residency in
lieu of competitive salaries for workers, both Kiwi and foreign
because Kiwis don't want to do that work because it's
not a Liverpool wage. It's a fair point five away
from six. Hey, I thought this was really interesting. There's
been a conference in Sydney the last two days which

(01:04:47):
has been run by Amazon Web Services and basically it's
all about AI. They're pitching AI to ossie businesses. But
they had a few New Zealand businesses over there talking
about how they are using AI. And one of those
businesses was New Zealand Rugby and they had the chief
Information and Technology Officer, Jonathan Salvey, talking about how they're
using AI to make data driven decisions. But they're using

(01:05:09):
AI in real time during the rugby game. So I
wandered over to the sports boys and I said, well,
how would they be doing it? And they reckon. What
might be is those data packs that the players use,
because you know that the players are running around with
them strapped to their bodies, right, and it measures I think,
like all the biometrics, the heart rates, the sweats, the
speed that they're running out, how much running they're doing,

(01:05:31):
how many knocks they're taking, the impact that they are
going through in those knocks, and just all that kind
of stuff. And so maybe what they're doing with the
AI is that they're mapping, Okay, this player is starting
to get tired, not running as fast as he normally is.
Maybe this player's run too much, this player's taken too
many knocks, so therefore the muscles are going to hurt.
And then they're pulling them off based on the fatigue

(01:05:51):
levels or something like that. But that's fascinating, isn't it,
That they're doing it. They're actually using AI real time
during games to try to win the game with the data.
They also obviously use it for longer term insights to
win the World Cups and stuff. They reckon, it's giving
them the kind of insights that they would never have
been able to afford it NZR with the money that
they have because this has previously only been available this

(01:06:13):
kind of data to big businesses like AT and T
and Disney and so on. Zuru also uses it. They
reckon that it's taken them from what would normally be
about twelve to eighteen months to develop a new toy
down to five months. They say they've got teams. They
used to have teams watching social media trends to see
what was cool and then get the product developed. But
by the time they got around to it, the product
would already be off trend. But now AI doesn't can

(01:06:35):
turn it around really quickly, and so they've got into
stickers as a result of a trend on TikTok, and
the stickers have made them twenty million dollars in revenue
in just the first year. How fascinating is that. If
you're still one of those people freaking out about AI,
get on board the except Barry obviously, who used it
badly today, But get on board it. It's awesome. Okay,
christ Church doesn't want the airbnbs because they create a

(01:06:58):
ghost town, So we'll talk about that next news talks.

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Even in coming up in the next hour. Jamie McKay
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And it's d day for Keir Starmer overnight our time,
so we'll talk to Ende Brady about that at seven
past six. Now there is another push against Airbnb coming
from christ Church. One of the city councilors is warning
that Airbnb is turning bits of the city into ghost

(01:07:43):
communities and that for every nine new homes built in
christ Church last year, the city only gained one new resident.
That counselor is Nathaniel Hertz Chardine, who is with us
now him Nathaniel Hi, they don I'm very well, thank you, So,
I mean, how sure of you of the fact you
only got one resident for every nine new houses. That
seems quite extraordinary.

Speaker 18 (01:08:02):
That's the inner city, to be clear, that's just that
inner four AVS area, and that's just that's the data
we've got on increased residents versus increased finished buildings.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Okay, but not all of the remaining I mean, let's
say that one resident per property in there for the
other eight are empty. But they're not all Airbnb, right.
Some of them are just unsold, aren't they.

Speaker 18 (01:08:21):
Well they could be, but if you look at if
you walk around those areas around by the stadium, and
if you talk to residents, it's pretty clear that we've
got a majority airbnb's. I mean a group came into
council the other day there are four families living in
a block of twenty five units and they know for
sure the other twenty one are all Airbnbs.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Oh really? And is this people who are airbmbing them
out and the hope that the that the new stadium
will attract business for them.

Speaker 18 (01:08:45):
Yeah, that's a big part of it. And this is
a trend we see worldwide is that when you have
big events, and of course for christ it's a big
part of our strategies. The city is major events. Major events,
you've see a big increase in that short stay acommodation,
whether it's airbnbbooking, dot com, whatever, and after the event goes,
they actually stay as short stay so it has this
permanent effect on the inner city.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
Okay, what would you like to do about this?

Speaker 18 (01:09:07):
Yeah, So all we asked for as council unanimously yesterday
was just that we need the data. That was really
it's not saying we want to ban them. It's not
saying anything like that. It's just saying that at the moment,
we're in this crazy situation where we're hiring compliance offices,
they have to do things like you know, stakouts and
surfing online and fielding complaints because all the data about

(01:09:28):
who's renting out what we're that's on the airbnb service,
we're not allowed to access that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
But why have you got complaint of? Have you got
rules about airbnbs?

Speaker 8 (01:09:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:09:37):
Well, the the only really important thing that we have
is that if you if you've got an unhosted short
sta accommodation, so an Airbnb where no one lives there
and you're renting it out for more than sixty days
a year, we say, well, you're basically a business, so
you should be on a level playing field with things
like hotels.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
So is that why you have officers? That's part of why.

Speaker 18 (01:09:58):
Yeah, So we we require those airbnbs to pay business rates,
which is about double your standard rates and that pays
for things like event promotion. You know, some of that
money goes towards you know, attracting Robert Williams, building the stadium,
that sort of stuff. And we know that only a
tiny proportion, less than ten percent of the short stay
accommodation are actually paying the taxes that they should be.

(01:10:19):
So that's why we have to have these compliance officers.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
I see. Okay, so you want the data from government
in order to be able to say that is an airbnb?
Is that essentially what it is?

Speaker 8 (01:10:29):
Yeah? Yeah, that's all.

Speaker 18 (01:10:30):
That's really all we need at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
And then what just and then what you Then then,
because it's an airbnb, you charge it a commercial rate
rather than a residential rate.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
Yeah, it's like that.

Speaker 18 (01:10:40):
So that's how it works in the European Union's the
platforms like air but they give us that they give
the data straight to the local councils.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
But now and then we give the same.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
Government giving it to you. Because this is just a
straight data swap. That would help.

Speaker 18 (01:10:50):
I would love you to ask some of the central
government and ps that same question other because I don't know,
it's obvious.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Have you not asked them?

Speaker 18 (01:11:00):
So they've been asked many times already, so alg and
ZAD Local Government, New Zealand, they have asked previously. Hospitality
in New Zealand have asked. There have been open letters
all over the place calling for this and this is
just what I'm trying to do is spark another round.
Now it's an election year. Pile on the pressure, get
other councils involved and just say please, we just need
the data so we can make good policy decisions, whatever

(01:11:23):
those decisions are.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
You know, Okay, Nathaniel, that seems fair enough, is it?
Simon Watsu's the minister. I think we'll ask them next time,
Nathaniel Hurtz Chadin christ Church City councilor thank you's the
local government minister. Now it's being reporting that we're being
reported that Where's Streeting is preparing to launch a leadership
bid against Kiirs Starma overnight our time. So, as you know,
the whole thing has been dragging on because nobody has
actually put their hand up. So there are enough MPs

(01:11:47):
and labor in the UK who want to get rid
of Kiers Starma, but they haven't got somebody. It's very
similar to the situation in the National Party year. I'm
sorry to say enough people who are cross about it,
but no one actually to coalesce around. So where's streeting
as a parent prepared to do it Overnight? We'll see
if he's got the courage of his convictions, because up
to now he hasn't. It does never face. It looks
like he's got the courage, but anyway, we'll see. Now

(01:12:08):
he is sitting to the right, the Blair right right
of the party. So as a result, the lefties and
Labour are now freaking out about that. So they are
now scrambling to find their candidates to oppose him, and
it's you know, the Andy Burnhams and people like that. Anyway,
Kirstarmer is now also freaking out because he realizes it's
potentially D day, so he's been calling MPs and ministers
into his office in Parliament to plead with them and
beg them not to allow a competition to be triggered.

(01:12:29):
End of Brady, who has been following this the whole
way through, will be with us before seven o'clock and
run us through it. Twelve past six. Let me give
you the numbers before I forget actually ends it. X
fifty is down zero point two nine percent. Today ASX
fifty is down zero point zero nine percent so far
today said basically, flat barrel of Brent crude is costing
one hundred and six US dollars. That's up zero point
six six percent today. One New Zealand dollar is worth

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fifty nine US cents eighty two ozs. He sends fifty
one euro cents forty four ukp pencin ninety four yen.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast
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Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
Some more of the sales for Fletcher Building. It's announced
this morning that it would offload the final fifty percent
of its shareholding of Fletcher Construction's Fiji business. Already sold
fifty percent about a couple of years ago, and now
got rid of the other fifty percent. It's sixteen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
The Rural Report with Farmland's get advice and support growing
what really matters.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Jamie McKay hosted the Countries with us Elo.

Speaker 6 (01:13:29):
Jamie get a head.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
Now, why does Sinlay boss resign?

Speaker 19 (01:13:34):
Well, that's a good question. No reason it's given for
his departure. I know this blke reasonably well. Richard Wire,
he's a good bloke. He's got a good record, got
a good track record in the dairy industry. He was
formerly the chief executive at Miraka and then Westland. Milkie
got head hunted by Sinley and he's been in the
job for just over twelve months and he's resigned. I

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think it makes it something like three senior leaders in
that company departing in the past few weeks. He's going
to hang out around till Dune the thirtieth to support
an orderly transition Bright Dairy. They're the owners appointed director
Leon Fung will take over as acting CEO as of May.

Speaker 8 (01:14:18):
Fourteen, which is today.

Speaker 19 (01:14:20):
Meanwhile, heather On the sticking with the dairy theme in Canterbury,
where Sinlay's base. Canterbury could end up with twenty five
thousand more dairy cows over the next few years as
interest and dairy conversions continue to ramp up and the
arable farmers and Canterbury are having a pretty tough time
of it, not only with the diesel prices but also

(01:14:41):
poor returns and just trouble and not very good weather
over the past few seasons. So they thought twelve and
a half thousand we're going to come on stream through
dairy conversions. They're saying that number now could be as
high as twenty five thy twenty six farms currently under
conversion for startups in the spring of this year and

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next year average size eight hundred cows. Meanwhile, the number
of dairy cows nationwide has actually dropped half a percent
to four point six eight million, about two percent below
the five year average. And that's due to land use
change in areas like the Bay are Plenty, for instance,
where some of that good dairy and country's going to
Kiwi for it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
Now, listen, do you see those stats yesterday that wine
consumption worldwide is following, is falling And if you saw it,
are you worried about it?

Speaker 19 (01:15:30):
Well, I'm doing my bit, Heather. Are know on occasions
you can as well, And maybe we can do our
bit after we've finished MCing the primary industry New Zealand Awards.
But yeah, look at it's a real worry for the
wine industry. It's a big industry here in New Zealand.
We've got a grape clut at the moment in this country.
We've got growers, contract growers and places like Marlborough who

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are leaving the grapes on the vine because it's not
economic to harvest it. They've got nowhere for it to go.
So it's a real worry. World consumption of wine down
two point seven percent last year to two hundred and
eight million. Heck, delets, that sounds a lot. I've got
no idea what it is. But the cumulative dropped since

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twenty eighteen is fourteen percent. Now nine of the world's
top ten wine markets have recorded lower volumes, and three
markets are rarely playing an outsized role in global decline China, France,
United States. I didn't know this, Heather, but the United
States is the world's leading wine market. I just thought
they drank Budweiserer over there. Consumption foul four point three

(01:16:34):
percent last year. The other one is France. Of course
they're fairly cultured, down three point two percent. But wait
for this one, and maybe Trump can help this on
his visit over there. At the moment, China world wine
consumption has fallen by thirteen percent last year and a
massive sixty one percent since twenty twenty. So the wine

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industry worldwide is in trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
Wow, hey, Jamie, thanks very much, Jamie McCay, host to
the Country. Now I don't know what it is. I mean,
I mean, I'll take I'll take your advice on why
people aren't drinking wine, but I can tell you I
don't drink wine anymore, like at all. Like if I
come to your house and you offer me a glass
of wine, I'm gonna turn you down. I'm gonna take
the bubbly wine and drink that, but I am not
gonna drink wine. And the reason is I've gotten completely

(01:17:19):
gone off wine because it's just too intoxicating. It just
you know, you have a glass of beer that you're
like young, that was delicious, maybe maybe you could sort
of feel a bit of the effect of it, but
not really insane with same with a whiskey soda. That
was my granny drink of whisky soda. I'm um becoming
you becoming your grandparents, don't you. I've become her love
of whiskey soda to start the day, not the day,
the night lord, But wine, nah, because you have one

(01:17:42):
glass and you're already like whoo and swearing at people,
getting yourself in trouble and just behaving badly, isn't it.
And I was reflecting on this the other day, actually
weirdly I don't know why, but I started my career
probably really at Radio Life. Do you remember them? Yeah,
that's why I know. They paid so badly. It's the
only place I could get a job. So anyway, I
got a job there and then four my sins have

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got posted down to Wellington and the TV that the
Radio Live job was based in the TV three newsroom
in Wellington, and boy, oh boy, like did we like
to have a tipple on a Friday night? You finished work,
everybody did their six pm stories yay, And I was
the only reporter sitting there, so I just jooned in
with them and you gave a glass of wine, and
you have another glass of wine. And I was thinking
about that the other I was like, that's disgusting. Just

(01:18:25):
remember that no food. You've just finished a day's work,
you haven't had your dinner, and no cheese, probably cheese
or something like that there. But you'd go straight into
a grassy assidy savvy and then after that you just
get straight into another one. Like the sour wine breath
must have been out the gate, but it was normal
back then. Anyway, it sounds like paradise, nah man, I reckon,

(01:18:46):
we've classed up. This is what happened. We've got a
bit more money now and so now we're like, m darling,
what would you like? Would you like a glass of wine?
Or can I make you a bourbon sour? Now you're talking,
I'll take your bourbon sour, thanks very much. That's the problem.
Or a martini or a a grony or something own
up like that, and there's your that's my problem anyway
with wine. It's my percentage addition to the drop off
in consumption six twenty one.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
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Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
Us talks v Heather, What the hell is this Nathaniel
counselor from christ Church on about what's the difference in
real world effects between say a hotel and some airbnbs.
I reckon, it's bloody nothing. Let's get honest. The council
just wants to scoop some more income from these people
for nothing. Now, Harvey, you make a good point, but
you make a bad point at the same time. So
absolutely you'll write that the council is trying to get
more money that's what they're trying to do because because

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the commercial rates are always higher than the residential rates.
But that is exactly the problem is that if you
treat your right an airbnb is no different to a hotel.
But a hotel is paying resident is not paying residential rates,
it's paying commercial rates. But these airbnbs are paying residential rates.
So if you treat them the same, then it's commercial
rates for both of them, which means that the they
get more in rates from the airbnb's showed, so it

(01:20:03):
should offset the rates that you're paying as a residential customer.
Having said that, though, that's not how counsels work as
it they just go, oh, look we've got extra money
on top of all the other money that we're getting.
I always wish that they would offset and go, oh,
we got so much in commercial rates from the airbnb.
We're just going to go easy on the residential rate payers.
But oh no, because like why tacky, they go, let's
just crank get up forty five percent now. Labor in

(01:20:26):
the UK, you'll be happy to know, is just as
nutty as the Labor Party was here under Jacinda Adune.
They are threatening to do basically exactly the same as
Justinda Ardun and Meghan Woods did. They want to ban
the new oil and gas fields in Britain so that
future governments can't reopen the North Sea because they shut
down the North Sea. This is the thing that Trump's
talking about. He keeps telling Keir Starmer open the North Sea.
You've got fantastic oil and that's income for you. At

(01:20:48):
the moment they have a temporary moratorium on new drilling.
If they go ahead with us, it would make it permanent.
Ed Milliband is the guy behind it. This is part
of the reason why Ed Milliband cannot possibly replace ki Istama,
because he's one of the names in contention on the
left of the party. He is two left like that
is nutty. Look at what happened to New Zealand, Ed,
It is nutty ideology that's going to just make your

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country poor for no good reason. Six twenty six.

Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 8 (01:21:20):
It's just headiness, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
Yeah, if you thought you'd escape the K pop demon
hunter craze, there's about to be a second wind unfortunately,
because today is the upfronts in the US. This is
where all the movie studios make their big announcements to advertisers,
and Netflix have announced the K Pop Demon Hunters Live
in Concert World tour.

Speaker 8 (01:21:36):
Spare me.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
They haven't given us much else. We don't even know
if it will be the original singers or a cover.
No dates yet, but on the website you can sign
up for updates, and if enough key we sign up,
then they will know they've got to bring it down here. Alternatively,
if enough of us boycott it, then maybe they will
just forget that we even exist. Netflix's head of marketing
gave some interesting insight to the impact this film has had.
K Pop Demon Hunters is still Netflix's most popular movie

(01:22:00):
of all time. It's spawned Halloween costumes. Sing alongs even
got a mention from Buckingham Palace. Trips to South Korea
jump twenty five percent following the release of the film.
The movie is responsible for an eleven percent jump in
Netflix's revenue, which is equal to eleven billion dollars, so
no wonder they want to take the show on the road.
There is also a sequel in the works, but you're
gonna have to wait until at least twenty twenty nine

(01:22:22):
for that, and animated movies are notorious for long delays,
so don't be surprised if that gets pushed back even
more so, We've got absolutely years of this absolute banger
of a song to listen to. Yay, Sam Dickey is
with us next on the Old Devil Jabs and how
that's going will go Vi et cetera.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
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(01:23:03):
they'd be.

Speaker 14 (01:23:09):
Tender.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
Brady's with us shortly out of the UK on the
Starma drama, which appears to be reaching ahead overnight our
time Fens. If you've been following the story of Fens
fire an emergency in the last few years, you already
know that Fens is a complete cockcase right like that
place probably needs a complete clean out and just I

(01:23:29):
don't know, just just get rid of the stuff and
start all over again. Here's an if you weren't convinced
of it, here's another example of what's going on. So
National mp FOR or Tucky Tim Costley asked them a question.
He says it was a very basic question. He basically
asked them how many vehicles of each type they had,
like fire trucks. How many fire trucks you got? How
old are your fire trucks? Where are your fire trucks?

(01:23:50):
When do you think you should replace your fire trucks?
And do you know what FENS did instead of going
let's have a look at this, you know, I mean,
like a basic question that you think would be basic
to answer, they engaged external consultants. They hired external consultants. Now,
the problem with us in particular is FENS doesn't have
money for external consultants because FENS doesn't have money to

(01:24:11):
pay its fire staff properly. Right, the fire staff have
been striking for god knows how long now asking for
pay rises. Meanwhile, FENS is giving its board members extraordinary
pay rises and then hiring consultants, but not enough money
for the fire brigade. Twenty four away from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
Heather duper cla Now.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
A couple of years ago, Sam Dicky and I talked
about these new weight loss drugs that were supposedly going
to change everything. You know, we're talking about Ozmpic with
GOV and so on. We've never seen a drug class
of the size before. And Sam from Fisher Funds is
back with us again on this subject. Hey Sam, Hey,
that's going yeah, very well, thank you. How are these
drugs doing now?

Speaker 10 (01:24:46):
Yeah, bigger than even the bulls thoughts. So around one
in eight American adults is now on these drugs. And
if you look at it in terms of market capitalization
or valuation of the key companies, at the time Eli
Lilly we talked about was worth about five hundred billion
dollars and that felt pretty big. Today Eli Lilly's just
become the first pharmaceutical company in history worth of trillion dollars.

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And the kicker is it seems to be working. So
us OB City has fallen from a peak of forty
percent to seven percent in two years, and that's the
first reversal in AB City since nineteen eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
Wow, that's extraordinary. Are people sticking with the drugs once
they're on them?

Speaker 10 (01:25:25):
I think that is the killer story that no one's
really talking about. So in the trials where everything's paid
for and the patient's handheld adherence or taking the drugs regularly,
was over eighty percent, But in the real world, two
thirds stop within the first year and only one in
twelve are still on the drugs. Three years later, and
that seems to be because they're expensive. Side effects are

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still pretty tough, and around a quart of the weight
loss is actually muscle, not flat fat. So remember we
talked about lean and frail, and the sting in the
tail is when people stop, the weight comes back on.
Two thirds of it returns within one and a half years.
So this looks like lesser one off cure and more
of a sort of lifetime prescription if you're able to,
if you want to get the best.

Speaker 16 (01:26:05):
Out of it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
So where is the showing up in the real economy then.

Speaker 10 (01:26:10):
Yeah, really everywhere. So you know, we know these drugs
silence the food noise that constant pool to snack, so
in healthcare, and this is a bit counterintuitive. At the time,
you and I talked about a risk to demand for
sleep at near device devices for example, or a risk
to the demand for you know, glucose monitors. Now what's

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actually happened is they've actually been more of a demand
driver because these funnel more patients to these companies, not fewer.
And even orthopedic surgery looks like a bit of a winner.
So if you have a BMI of a thirty five,
it rules out thirty percent of joint replacement candidates. But
as you bring that BMI down, you see more orthopedic surgery.

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On the consumer side, US households on these drugs been
eight percent less on fast food and sixty six percent
less on soda and alcohol, so definitely having an impact there.
And this is quite an interesting one.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
I thought.

Speaker 10 (01:27:04):
One of a broker estimates the average US passenger has
lost ten pounds, sorry, not two pounds, ten pounds, saving
the four biggest US air lines about six hundred million
dollars a year in fuel.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
That's nutty, isn't it. Where it's showing up, It's just
absolutely crazy.

Speaker 8 (01:27:19):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
What does this mean then for investors?

Speaker 10 (01:27:22):
I just think I think it means that it has
been bigger than the bulls think. But it doesn't always
mean everyone wins. So the two original players we talked about,
Novo Nordisk and Eli Lilly, they have dramatically diverged. So
Lily's Drugged delivers twenty percent weight loss versus fourteen percent
for Novo Nordisk, and Lily's now got sixty percent of

(01:27:43):
the US market and has outperformed Novo Nordisk by three
hundred percent. The bottom line though, is it is one
of the biggest consumer disruptions of our generation, so we
need to keep a close eye on it as it progresses.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
Interesting, Sam, thank you very much, appreciate it. Sam Dickey
Offisher Funds. I went out to dinner on Sunday night
because ahead of the split ends, went out to dinner
with a friend of mine who's on on the Wigovis
and she says to me, I'm obsessed with it. I
talk about it far too much. She's disappointed in me
for being obsessed with it, but I am. I am
obsessed with it, and she's on it, and she said
to me she never wants to come off it ever again,

(01:28:17):
because she's looking awesome and she's looking absolutely fantastic, and
so she just loves it. So she might be one
of those people who stays on it. Hey, I've got
an update for Tape on Tape on tape face for you,
which is unusual because normally we only get the updates
on what the Dunedin City councilor Benedict Wong a Benedict
Ong is doing on a Friday, because Friday seems to
be the day where it normally kind of reaches its peak.

(01:28:38):
But for some weird reason. It all, it all kicked
off last night and now it's in the papers today.
He has a Code of Conduct hearing on Monday afternoon
for constantly sharing sensitive information. This, by the way, is
the second Code of Conduct hearing that he's had and
he's only been in the job for what like, is
it six months or something like that. Anyway, he was

(01:28:59):
sharing emails again last night. The mayor sent him an
email Sophie Barker with the subject line facebook post, please
remove immediately. And what he'd done was he had put
up a Facebook post concerning the Chief Executive of Dunedin
City Council, Sandy Graham, and he claims that Sandy has
wrongfully removed his access to council materials and restricted his
movements in the council building because I told you on

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Friday when we had our last tape face update, that
he had actually been told he was no longer allowed
to look at things. He couldn't have hard copies, he
could only look at it when he was being supervised,
and he couldn't take a copy with and there'll be
no sensitive information on emails for him anyway. He's claimed
that the alleged code of conduct camp plain against him
was false. So then Mayor Barker emails him about this.

(01:29:40):
He's got a code, he's got to take the thing down.
Less than an hour after that, he emails Mayor Barker back,
and he copies in four media outlets and he writes,
here we go again, and he says, Mayor Barker, and
this is the clanger, Mayor Barker, do you want to
comment on a or any the existing legal case currently

(01:30:01):
ongoing faced by counsel that we should be aware of.
Council has now been approached for comment. This is what
he does. So this is why, as I said to
you last Friday, I remain conflicted or the Friday before,
I can't I'm losing track of which Friday when we're
talking about tape Face. But I I'm conflicted on him
because in one way his behavior is so obnoxious and

(01:30:24):
just causing all kinds of trouble. But on the other hand,
he is revealing things that Counsel is trying to keep
a secret from rate payers, and I don't like that.
I don't like these little little political class having its
weird little secrets that it doesn't want to tell the people.
Who paid the bills of the political class. So we'll
see once again, I'm sort of fifty to fifty on

(01:30:45):
tape face today. Listen, I've got some bad new speaking
of spending. Really quickly, got some bad news on spending
for you. You know, the old Provincial Growth Fund that
was the mass of Shane jo Andes slush fund has
now become the provincial what is it called now, that
Regional Infrastructure Fund or something like that. It sounds like
it's also just firing money at things that probably shouldn't
be fired at. The Taxpayer's Union has revealed that we

(01:31:06):
have provided as taxpayer money in a loan one point
zero seven million dollars to upgrade a cowshd in Taranaki.
Now maybe, I mean, look, on the bright side, it's
a loan, so it should be paid back. Fingers crossed.
Fingers crossed, because if it was alone, if it was
a loan that was justifiable and going to be paid back,
surely the farmer would have gone to the bank for

(01:31:28):
the money. So the fact they've come to the Regional
Infrastructure Fund makes me feel a little bit nervous. But
I couldn't. So that's on the bright side. And maybe
on another bright side, I could justify it if it
was going to provide heaps of jobs one point eight
one point eight jobs in the cow shed that's cost
us one million dollars. Well, can you say sixteen away
from seven?

Speaker 1 (01:31:48):
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Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
News Talk said here that you think two codes of
conduct are bad against tape Face Southway Kato District Council
currently has five against one councilor jeez, Carol, thank you.
By the way, keV just said maybe we should get
tape Face on the show. So maybe we'll see what
he's doing tomorrow. I mean, if he can fit us
in between the emails.

Speaker 20 (01:32:17):
Hopefully he takes the tape off his face before he
actually starts talking in the interview.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
And whoever's with him needs to remove the Kafka because
we don't want him to start randomly reading that at us.
That would be hideous. But if yeah, between the emails,
between the readings of Kafka and the Code of Conduct
hearing hit conduct hearings, maybe he can squeeze us in
for a little chat anyway. I'm thirteen away from seven
Ender Brady UK correspondence with us Alo Ender.

Speaker 21 (01:32:40):
Hello, how are you?

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
I'm very well, thank you. So is he going to
quit today and launch the challenges?

Speaker 21 (01:32:44):
He So this is the Health secretary where Streeting? Yes,
that appears to be what's happening. This is a huge day.
So Keer Starmer had a day's grace yesterday with null
attacks or challenges, and he can thank King Charles for
that state opening of her parliament. And I think the
Palace made it very clear that they didn't want any
rancor or infighting or any leadership challenges to be detracting

(01:33:09):
from the King being in parliament. So there was a
period of grace and it was lovely and quiet yesterday
and everyone in labor got on with each other. The
gloves were off today. The word is that Wes Streeting
this morning, in a couple of hours time, will resign
as Health Secretary and he will do so to formally
challenge Caer Starmer for the leader of the party and
the country.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
Okay, so what has this thing got to do with
Angela Raina being clear of wrongdoing other techs affairs?

Speaker 21 (01:33:35):
Well, The timing of this is extraordinary. This has been
going on from months and months and months. She lost
her job. She was Deputy Prime Minister. She was also
in charge of housing and it was in the newspapers.
Then it was discovered that she hadn't paid the correct
amount of tax on a property purchase down in Hove
on the South coast, to the tune of about eighty
thousand dollars. Now, what's happened in the last hour. We

(01:33:59):
learned that the taxman has formally cleared her of any wrongdoing.
She has now paid that money back and she has
just given the first interview I've seen from her. I
can't remember the last time I saw her on TV talking.
She's now given an interview saying that the country needs
change and that she wants to be part of the conversation.
So she couldn't have said it more clearer. She's now

(01:34:21):
been cleared by the taxman, and I think she is
going to run against Starmer as well.

Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
Okay, that explains it. And then what about I mean,
so does she represent the lift of the Paddy, Because
the Lift of the Paddy was scrabbling around trying to
find somebody to go up against Waves Streeting right.

Speaker 21 (01:34:36):
Yes she does, and the unions love her. She's from
the North of England. She has an extraordinary life story.
She was a teenage single mum. She has battled the
odds all her life. She rose all the way to
Downing Street, you know, Deputy Prime minister, minister in cabinet.
She is a very good communicator and she's very popular
in the North of England. My only question would be

(01:34:57):
if she becomes prime minister, would she really ca Mary
the South of England? You know, places that labor need
to win seats, Essex, Kent, the Southwest Hampshire. You know,
will she punch through in those kind of places. She's
very popular on the left of the party, less so
in the South of England.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
Okay, So I mean I still find it remarkable in
all of these days on that key Stamer has actually
put up this fight because it seemed to me such
an utterly pointless thing to do. He's not gonna win,
and surely the best thing for him to do is
just to bow out with dignity.

Speaker 21 (01:35:31):
Oh He's going to fight, and I think he will
take inspiration from John Major. There was a challenge against
John Major once and Major you know, a lot of
people felt he didn't have the punches, he didn't have
the guts and the gumption, and John Major saw down
his challengers. And I think Keir Starmer is a very
stubborn man. I think he's fundamentally a decent man. His

(01:35:51):
problem is he's not a politician, but he is very stubborn,
as he pointed out repeatedly in the last forty eight hours.
You win an election, you win five years and he
wants to serve at least five years.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
Very interesting. Hey, quickly tell me about this donation to
Nigel Farage. How much trouble is he in on us?

Speaker 21 (01:36:09):
Well, this is a very big deal now because he
has been referred to the Parliamentary Standards Commissioner to look
at this. What we've learned, and we've only learned this
because a journalist got digging, is that before he was elected,
ten million dollars of a donation from a crypto multi
millionaire who's British living in Thailand, and this was a

(01:36:30):
gift to Nigel Farage for his security personal security. Now,
he did not declare this and FORAJ is saying that
he's done nothing wrong. He's party reformer saying that he's
broken no law. What's going to the Parliamentary Standards Commissioner
and if he finds that Farag has broken the parliamentary rules,
he could be suspended from parliament.

Speaker 2 (01:36:51):
Welsers. Okay, Inda, thank you so much for running us
through and we'll talk to you again and we'll see
whether Ki is still the Prime Minister when we have
a check. That's in to Brady, UK correspondent. Listen news
just in and it's being reported that Luke Metcalf is
heading off to the Dragons. Signed a contract with the
Dragons for three years. Looks like he's taking a pay cut,
so he's on reportedly about nine fifty with the Warriors.
We'll be going to the Dragons for nine hundi. If

(01:37:12):
you follow the NRL, you know that he's going from
a team that is currently one of the best in
the competition to a team that is the worst in
the competition. So yeah, that's the thing, isn't it. Eight
away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:25):
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Speaker 8 (01:37:33):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:37:33):
I love this. I've just seen an email that Andrew
has sent Andrew Andrew sent an email to Chris Hopkins
and said, Chris, your recent comments and your interview on
news talg ZB was a complete insult and his topic
band so I can see that he said it good
from you. Thank you, Andrew. Now turns out Neanderthals is
smarter than we thought, because the archaeologists have found a
tooth and the tooth has got a deep hole in

(01:37:54):
it that looks like it was created by using a sharp,
thin stone tool while the tooth was still in someone's mouth,
which means that they would do cavities almost sixty thousand
years ago, which makes us the earliest known evidence of
dental treatment. I when I saw this today, I declared
to the team, who frankly didn't care, because who would.
I'm obsessed with Neanderthals. I'm obsessed with them. And the

(01:38:14):
reason I'm obsessed with them is because it was so
controversial for such a long time to consider that Homo
sapiens had bred with Neanderthals, because it's into species breeding, right,
and the prevailing thought for the longest time was that
humans had replaced everything else. But no, turns out not
at all. No, We've all got a bit of Neanderthal
in US, and apparently Neanderthals are the ones that were

(01:38:36):
rocking around with the red head, so red hair. So
if you look down at your yet, your child, or
yourself and you've got red hair, all I'm saying is
it's in our DNA. So it's anyway read the tooth.
It's good to know that the Neanderthals were smarter than
we thought they were, because we've all got a little
bit of them in us, haven't we.

Speaker 20 (01:38:54):
Ants Well, it was like eighty three thousand years ago
as well either, so I mean they were the first
ones to figure it out.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
Possibly.

Speaker 20 (01:38:59):
So you know, if you've got a red headed kid,
you know, get them into dentistry school. So the Looks
of All Jean de Poitrine is where we're going out
with today. Hither that's the name of the band and
the song is called La Breck La Breck. They're from
Sagina in Quebec. They wear really weird outfits with big
noses and polka dots all over them.

Speaker 4 (01:39:19):
It's mask.

Speaker 20 (01:39:19):
No one knows who they are. They're both completely anonymous,
but apparently they were booked to play two gigs back
to back in twenty nineteen at the same venue. So
they're like, oh, that's not gonna work. We're gonna They're
gonna be like, oh, next up on stage is the
same bandy And so they came up with these disguises
that they put on and you know, turns out everyone
like the disguise guy's better, so they sort of ran
with it. Why are we playing them tonight?

Speaker 2 (01:39:40):
We're playing them because the Telegraph said they're the most
hyped band of the.

Speaker 20 (01:39:43):
Year, and we are at the forefront of hype's rock
music here on used.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
To be well, we wanted to listen to it, didn't
we We want us to listen to it, but we were
too lazy to get get it up on our own Spotify,
so to mess with our algorithms. So we said to ads,
can't you play it to all of us and we
can decide if we like it. What do we think?

Speaker 3 (01:40:01):
It sounds like rock?

Speaker 8 (01:40:05):
I mean where look at.

Speaker 2 (01:40:11):
Or he wants to hear some words?

Speaker 20 (01:40:13):
Oh sorry, and I arected this remember one I wanted
to back.

Speaker 10 (01:40:17):
That was the first one that came up.

Speaker 3 (01:40:18):
I thought, this is clearly that they head.

Speaker 5 (01:40:19):
I don't know it's inspired.

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
Imagine they can't sing when they've got those big noses off.

Speaker 20 (01:40:25):
I don't know, they are like big bars.

Speaker 4 (01:40:27):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:40:29):
I'm not gonna hear.

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
It's technically quite good, but.

Speaker 16 (01:40:33):
Yeah, maybe you have.

Speaker 20 (01:40:34):
To do another one, all right, come back in tune
back in the sixtifty five tomorrow for another one.

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
If you can want the insult, we'll do another one
words tomorrow.

Speaker 19 (01:40:43):
We could decide.

Speaker 20 (01:40:43):
See if they just talks with me, you're Homo Methron.

Speaker 1 (01:40:56):
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