Full Show Podcast: 15 April 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
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Speaker 3 (00:18):
Coming up on the show today, economist Charamabil Jak reckons
that this government is not sufficiently prepared for conserving fuel
when we need to. He's with us after five. Max Whitehead,
employment relations specialist with his take on the allegations against
Rod Drury and form All Blacks. Captain Taine Randall is
going to talk to us about standing for New Zealand
first at the election.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Heather dupicy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Now, if you haven't watched the video yet, this is
the video of Bunnings that Bunnings is released of its
staff being attacked in store. Can I recommend you go
and watch it, especially if you feel weird about Bunnings
using the CCTV for facial recognition. It's a compilation of
what's happened in their stores, just a few incidents that
have happened in their stores. The first incident in the
video is guy pulling a knife on a staff member

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and threatening that staff member just so that he can
walk out the door with two trolleys worth of stolen stuff.
This happened in the Portader store. The next incident is
a guy with a box in his arms running at
and knocking over a staff member while another guy behind
him tries to steal a second box. That happened in
the Tucaninny store. The incident I reckon that I hated
watching the most was a man wandering up to a
staff member at their car in a mostly empty car park,

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sidling up to the staff member, then smacking them in
the head when they weren't expecting it, and then chasing
them while they ran away and tripped over because they
were so frightened of what was happening to them. Now,
let's be clear about what's going on here. Bunnings is
releasing this video as part of a pr campaign. It's
trying to convince us that they need to be able
to use facial facial technology in two of their Hamilton stores.

(01:44):
But it blows my mind that they have to go
to these lengths. They've been trialing the facial recognition since
twenty eighteen. They've had to fight through a tribunal process
in Australia that had the Privacy Commissioner here and the
equivalent over the ditch watching them. They've engaged a MILDI
digital sovereignty expert. They've released at least two of these
video compilations, and all this is four so far in

(02:05):
New Zealand. Is just permission in two stores, not all
the stores, just two stores, two Hamilton stores, because apparently
there are enough of us who are worried that Bunnings
will take our biometric data and sell it or lose
it or maybe wrongly deny entry to some innocent person.
This should, I would have thought, been a slam dunk
Yes to Bunnings. I would have thought, absolutely, go ahead

(02:25):
and use the facial technician facial recognition technology if you
need to keep you your staff safe, because yeah, something
may go wrong one day with the CCTV, but go
and have a look at those videos. Things are going
wrong right.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Now, Heather do for c Ellen.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Nineteen nine two is the text understand a text feece
Appli'd love to know what you think. We are going
to talk to Bunnings after half past five. Now we
have had absolutely a week of weird stories about Donald Trump,
haven't we? This one might take the cake Trump's head
of medicare in the States, as old mate doctor Roz.
Doctor Ross has gone on a podcast revealed that the
president believes that diet soft drinks can cure cancer.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
Your dad argues that diet soda is good for him
because it kills grass, so therefore must kill cancer cells
inside the body. And I walk in there because he
wants to talk about something, and he's got a fanto
in the desk, and I say, are you kidding me?
So he starts to take sheepesty grand he goes, you
know this sounds good for me.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
He kills cancer cells, and then.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
He tells me it's fresh squeezed, so how bad could
it be for you?

Speaker 3 (03:23):
The person he's talking to, by the way, is Donald
Trump Junior, who turns out has a podcast anyway. This,
of course, follows the press conference yesterday where Trump had
McDonald's delivered to the house to the White House nutritionous
nicky heart is with us. Now, Hi, Nikki, Hi, He
I mean, I can't even believe we have to say this.
It is obviously bollocks, isn't it. The diet soda kills

(03:43):
your cancer cells?

Speaker 5 (03:45):
Ah, Honestly, I was alarmed considering that you know President
Trump is not a cancer specialist. To come out and
say something like that is alarming. I mean, look, we
know that non nutritive sweetness and diet drinks and there's
no causal linked to cancer. But then you can't just
flip it and go, oh, I can drink lots of
this because it kills cancer. That's basically what is alluding to.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
I would have thought of it. It kills. If it kills grass,
you might want to rethink putting it in your body. Well.

Speaker 5 (04:12):
And I think what people don't realize too here, that
is that seventy to eighty percent of your immune cells
are in your gut, right, They're made in your gut.
So if you're putting ultra processed food and non nutuitive
sweetness into your gut, that increases inflammation. It means your
immune system is going to be compromised. You're not going
to get away from this. And I just think it

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doesn't kill cancer, And I just think it's absolute craziness.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Now, apparently he drinks about twelve of these things a day.
Does that alarm you.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
Well, he must spend it quite a bit of time
on the toilet quietly with the amount of you know,
caffeine going into a system as well as these nonmutuitive sweetness.
So he's probably using it as a source of fluid.
But it's not going to be as good for you
as water, is it?

Speaker 2 (05:02):
So?

Speaker 5 (05:03):
And so you know, is that good for the microbiome
of the gut? And I think the answer is no.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
I just would have expected that he would be constantly
sick if you were drinking that much.

Speaker 5 (05:13):
Well, I think what I well, what we know in
nutrition and dietetics is when you damage your intestine, that's
when things go wrong. Now, when you're eating a lot
of highly ultra processed food and you're swigging back non
nutritive sweetness in large quantities, I'm not talking like a
mini but I'm large quantities. You're displacing other good food

(05:36):
for the gut that it needs to actually replenish the
good bacteria that will keep you healthy. So it'll catch them,
it'll catch up with them.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
You're sure, really? I mean, isn't he in his eighties?
You have food now? I mean he must be driving
the likes of Doctor Oz and RFK nuts because these
guys are on like they they have taken the health
kick to a different extreme. Do you like what they're
up to RFK.

Speaker 5 (06:02):
Well, I you know, I think we have to be
very mindful that there's polarization and nutrition right now. You've
got a lot of eat lance at plant based foods,
and then you've got the new US guidelines which are
really protein heavy, and I think what we need to
do is come to somewhere in the middle where we
can actually have a balanced diet instead of swinging from
one thing to the other. You know, just because something's

(06:24):
got high protein doesn't mean that it's a health halo
compared to say, whole grains in fiber, because we need
those for the gut as well. So I just think,
you know, we a bit of balance here.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah, I do. You know what I was I heard
somebody in an interview the other day Yang, Yeah, you
going to eat your lean meat, And it made me
really irrationally cross because I thought that we'd all decided
that you've got to eat the meat with a bit
of fat on it.

Speaker 5 (06:45):
Yeah, And you know, and I think we have to
be very mindful to that. We're an agricultural country. We
produce a lot of exported protein to the world, and
you know, we we won't survive unless we do that
here that that's just how it is. But on the
flip side off it, we need a high fiber diet
as well, so that's your legumes and your grains and
fruits and vegetables. So you know, eating lean meat is important,

(07:08):
but it needs to be balanced and we don't need
half as much as what we think we do.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
That's disappointing to me. Hey, Nikki, thank you very much,
appreciated as always you look after yourself, Nikki, Heart nutritionus. Heather,
No fair, absolutely, fair point, Heather. You know that he
actually tries to wind the media up. Why have you
guys fallen for it? Again? I mean I haven't, though,
I just enjoy it very much obviously. I mean, is
it not obvious to everybody that he said it to

(07:32):
doctor Oz to wind oz up, and then Doctor Roz
goes on the podcast and says it basically because it's
a bit of a joke. The guy's just I think.
I think one day, when we dissect his brain, this
is Donald Trump's, we will find that he has all
of the genetic markers for just being a clown all
the time and trying to make people laugh. Listen on
the apple stuff actually got some good news for you.
TNG says that they have now sold a billion dollars

(07:56):
worth of the Envy apples globally, which is and this
is testing into the fact that the Envy apples are
absolutely awesome. I think I might have one on my back.
Hang on a pick what apple I've got here? Oh no,
that's just a Royal Gala's still good anyway. So they've
sold a billion dollars with it of around the world.
This is the first Apple brand from New Zealand to

(08:16):
have sold a billion dollars worth of anything good from
them quarter past.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
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Speaker 1 (08:24):
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Speaker 3 (08:29):
The way, actually on Donald Trump, he's given an interview
to Fox, which is apparent. They've got the trailer out
at the moment, but it's going to air the full
interview overnight our time. He says the war in the
Middle East is very close to over. He says, if
I pulled up stakes right now, it will take them
twenty years to rebuild that country. And we're not finished.
We'll see what happens. I think they want to make
a deal very badly. And so he reckons there might
be peace talks in Pakistan again. In the next couple

(08:52):
of days eighteen past four.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
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Speaker 3 (09:00):
Sports Talk Hoosters. But that's ali I have So Muana Pacifica.
Is they've made the announcement today that it's over last season,
I would say that is it?

Speaker 6 (09:08):
I would say most likely unless there's a savior out there,
some with very deep pockets that doesn't mind, you know,
having a bit of money throw un at a franchise
for the sake of owning a sports team, because you're
not going to turn a profit from owning it. But
if you have got enough of enough cash to go,
it doesn't matter to me that I just want to
keep more on afloat. Then maybe there's someone out there,

(09:30):
but I can't think of too many contenders.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
That would be the generosity.

Speaker 6 (09:33):
It would be generosity because even the top sup rugby
teams in this country don't turn a profit, so this
is not the best one in the country and they're struggling,
and they have been struggling for a few years or
basically ever since their inception and it's hard to see
who that personal group might be to ban together and
save more on a pacificus. So it's been death by
a thousand cuts. I think there's been no one factor

(09:55):
that goes this is why they are, you know, not
viable and not going to back next year. But it
has been a long and arduous journey for them, and
again there are just so many factors that haven't helped
in their success or otherwise.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
So it sounds like the announcement that this would be
their last season has taken a few people by surprise,
like this was not supposed to happen this earlier in
the season, maybe next month, maybe the month thereafter. Has
it been brought to a head by the fact that
tana Umanga is going to the All Blacks. And if
you're going to start advertising for a new coach, you
need to be able to guarantee them beyond the season.

Speaker 6 (10:30):
And you also need to start signing players for next
season or resigning your current players and going now, yeah,
you would be if they're players off contract after twenty
twenty six, then there'll be in conversations now to resign
for twenty twenty seven. If they're going to market and
trying to sign players from abroad bring them back home,
potentially Tongan or someone players. They'll want to know who
the coaches and they need to give some form of guarantee.
Now it would have become very obvious that if they're

(10:52):
not advertising for a coach on the lot of discussions,
if the top brass aren't speaking about that at the club,
then it was probably all going to come to a head.
And I'm sure you know, these rumors about the PMA
pecific media a medical association have been around for some
time around their ability to keep funding this team. So
it was probably going to come to a hit at
some point, and it probably has been earlier in this

(11:12):
competition than they would have liked. You know, Super Rugby's
got it Super Round next week, which is the big
showpiece event outside of the finals. That's you know, big
advertisement for the sport. Well now it's going to be
overshadowed somewhat by the fact that one of the teams
is beyond fightings for its future. It's it's very much
on death store.

Speaker 7 (11:28):
Now.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
I see that Auckland Cricket and Auckland Rugby are going
to leave Eden Park, So the Cricket's going to Colin.
Where's the rugby going.

Speaker 6 (11:35):
Well, they're going to set up a facility somewhere where
they can base themselves out of I'm trying to think
we would work in Auckland. Maybe Trust Serena. There's been
talked previously about playing home games there, but you've also
got to have the ability to train there during the
week and how his staff and various other things. Whether
you could do that at Trust and not entirely sure,
but that's got the smaller model obviously, the smaller track.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Could they share it with could they share Mount Smart?

Speaker 6 (11:59):
It could potentially sheer amounts of artam and the Warrior
season's tailing off potentially that part of the season.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Book Club yep, yeah, well more I used to play there.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
Okay, why are we considering that?

Speaker 6 (12:09):
They could be an option, but again, you could have
three teams based out there. There may be an option
that they're looking at it. You know Auckland's stadiums Orking
Council does own that, so that would be a lot cheaper.
I'm sure for Auckland rugby.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Particularly it's good for Eden Park, isn't It is good?

Speaker 6 (12:22):
And look, they don't have to worry about the Adaroval.
They don't have to worry about NPC games getting in
the way of trying to attract a Metallica or a
Taylor Swift or whatever. They know they've got a relatively
clear schedule, so it's a good thing for Edom Park.
And if that redevelopment, if that money comes out of somewhere,
if the person decides not to fund MOWAA Pacifica and
decides to back Eden Park instead, then they can get
on that redevelopment and not worry about the Adder Oval

(12:43):
and those two teams.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
Yeah, I love that someone needs to have deep pockets here.

Speaker 6 (12:46):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
Thank you Elliott as always Elliott Smith's Sports Store, Coast.
You'll be back at seven. It's four twenty two.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
It's hell of duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Like no one else. What snooze talks they'd be see.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
This is the kind of weird text they get about
Bunnings Hither. Once Bunnings is online, security is as good
as mine. They can take my photo. I'd want to
see or watch them delete my photo as I left
the store. Tony, why what are you worried about what
have you been doing? What do you like? What's the
word like? Honestly, what is the worst case scenario?

Speaker 7 (13:20):
Here?

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Worst case scenario is Bunnings either sells your data or
loses your data. Now, if you loses your down, I
don't know what the heck is going to do it Great,
They've got your face, Do they know who you are?
Probably not, so who cares? So then probably the worst
case scenario is that they sell your data to somebody
so that when you walk into a mall next time,
it's gonna go, oh, look it's Tony. Tony has Tony's
got hemorrhoids, flash him a hemorrhoids ad and then everybody

(13:44):
knows you've got hemorrhoids, So who cares? You're really gonna
waste all that time going can you place? Go into
the manager? Can you delete my photot place? I don't
want them to now got hemorrhoids? I don't know. It
just seems like an utter waste of money, and also
just an unbelievable amount of stress over the possibility maybe
one day in the future that they sell it. I
just couldn't care less. It's just weird. I'd much rather
the staff were protective. But anyway, we are going to

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talk to Bunnings about it after half past five so
we can re litigate this right now. It's full twenty
six teen. Randall, the rumors were true, been told about
this bloody months. Taine Randall is going to stand as
a New Zealand first candidate at this year's election. He's
apparently possibly going to contest the Tookie Tookie seat in
Hawks Bay, which is currently held by National. My question

(14:27):
on this is what does this mean for Stuart Nash
Because Stuart Nash was supposed to be their big catch,
right and he is a Hawks Bay a EMP. So
if Tayne is going to go stand in Hawk's Bay,
how many MP's are how many candidates do they want
to throw in Hawks Bay seats? I mean maybe they
want to be a Hawks Bay party and the way
that they once upon a time we're a tod Anger party.
We can find out when he's with us. After the

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quarter past five. We now know, by the way, why
Nichola Willis wasn't on the show on Monday. They were
being very stum about this, but she's in Washington. She
went for the IMF and the World Bank Spring meeting,
and she's going to visit the White House overnight our time,
and she's given an interview to the Post about this,
and she says she is going to ask the US
officials what their plan is for a return to normal,

(15:12):
which presupposes that they have a plan for a return
to normal. Barry soapas with us on this when he's
with us just before five News is next.

Speaker 8 (15:21):
Five five known Brown, the day's newspakers talk to Heather First,
Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with One New Zealand and the
power of satellite mobile news doorgsaid be.

Speaker 9 (15:49):
I'm trying to come back.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
To me on the text follow up text selling my data,
all theft identity would be my concerns. I don't have hemorrhoids, Heather,
But the way it's so quickly jumped into your mind,
I'm just wondering a few It's got school yard relick. No,
I don't thank you, and thanks thanks for worrying about me. Tony.
Now Charmaville Jakub economist has taken a shot at the

(16:10):
government's full stage national fuel plan. You know the one,
the one that is like watchful, precautionary, managed, protected, and
you've got the various things that you have to do,
and you have to conserve fuel at various levels and stuff.
He basically says that four step plan is do nothing,
do nothing, do nothing, then O beep, and there's a
swear word underneath that beep. He says New Zealand's not
properly prepared for what might be coming. And he also

(16:32):
points out that all of the oil that we say
that we have, with the fuel we say we have
on shore, we can't necessarily use. He says, storage facilities
carry tank bottoms and line pack, which is fuel that
has to stay in the system to keep the pumps working.
If you strip out the dead stock, and the supply
available is considerably less than the headline figure. He's with us.
After five, we'll find out how much you have to

(16:52):
strip out and what it takes us to Chamabil yakub
as I say, after five, Barry sober in ten minutes,
and it's twenty four to five.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
It's the old wires. On news talks, it'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Donald Trump says the war with the run is almost over.
He's spoken to Fox News.

Speaker 7 (17:07):
I think it's close to over here. I mean I
view it as very close to over You know what,
if I pulled up stakes right now, it would take
them twenty years to rebuild that country. And we're not finished.
We'll see what happens. I think they want to make
it deal very badly.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
The IMF has downgraded its global economic outlook. Even under
the IMF's best case scenario for the Iran war as
it stands right now, global GDP this year will increase
by only three point one percent. Here's the chief economist.

Speaker 10 (17:36):
The closing of the Strait of Hormus and serious damage
to critical energy facilities in the Middle East raised the
prospect of a major energy crisis should a durable solution
not be found soon.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
And I'll give you more on that in at Tech.
And finally, ay.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Here, look, hi Potassa, I don't get it.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
You had cut its swine. A Frenchman has managed to
get his hands on a Potasso painting worth two million
New Zealand dollars and he only paid two hundred bucks
for it because he wanted in a raffle that was
put on by Christie's auction house in Paris. The tickets
were two hundred bucks each. The raffle raised two hundred
and forty thousand dollars for Alzheimer's Research.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
International correspondents with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
Dan Machison, US correspondent, is with US.

Speaker 11 (18:22):
Hello Dan, Hello, Heather.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
Democrats serious about wanting to remove Donald Trump from office?

Speaker 11 (18:28):
Well, I think you know they're they're going to try,
but I don't think it's going to be And this
is under the twenty fifth Amendment right now, saying that
he is mentally unfit. But I mean, this is going
to get some headlines. I think it's going to stay
in the new cycle for a bit, and then I
think it's going to fade away. It's unlikely this would
be successful. But you've got this panel that says they

(18:48):
would call physicians and some high ranking executive officials appointed
by Congression leaders from both parties, and they said that
after what he wrote about Iran and the whole civilization
will die tonight social media posts that we had talked
about a couple of weeks ago, they think that he
is incoherent and that basically he's just not fit to

(19:08):
be in the White House at this point.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Right, No one's missing the irony here, are we? That
they had someone who definitely, absolutely was incoherent and unable
to be in the White House, and they protected him
for years.

Speaker 11 (19:21):
Yes, yes, yeah, there was there was a call to
also remove you might remember towards the end of his
term Joe Biden from office under you know, under the
same you know, the same circumstances, under the twenty fifth Amendment,
and that didn't really get off the grounds.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
As we know, they just didn't decide to vote for
him again.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
I was talking to somebody about this this morning, Dan,
because it occurred to me last night that actually all
of this chat about Donald Trump being mental may in
fact be playing to the US's advantage at the moment,
because it might be spooking a run. Like if he
truly is as mental as people say he is, then
he's completely unpredictable, which means that Iran needs to wrap

(20:02):
this up as quickly as possible, don't they.

Speaker 11 (20:04):
Well, I mean you bring up a good point right here.
There's two things that I can say on that. First
of all, we just heard that the President says this
is going to be wrapped up sooner rather than later.
I don't know if everybody agrees with that, because even
though the Vice president advance is expected to lead a
second round of these talks in the next couple of days.
There's this time frame between US and Iran. Ron wants

(20:26):
a five year timeline for the suspension of uranium enrichment,
but the US wants a twenty year agreement, and that's
something that they're just not willing to budge on at
this moment. Meanwhile, you've got Republicans over here that say,
we've got a big problem this year. Trump just doesn't
seem to care about the GOP and it's causing a
lot of concerns with the midterm elections coming up because
of everything he's saying and doing. The most recent and

(20:48):
he even had people from his own party that went
against this was when he posted that picture of him
that he said was a doctor, but everybody else was
saying with Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
Now, apparently Joe Biden wanted Gritch and Whitner and didn't
want to have Kamala Harris.

Speaker 11 (21:04):
Yeah, this is really interesting too. He wanted the governor
Whitner to be his VP. He had to choose Vice
President Kamala Harris. This this came out from an article
in the Atlantic and they profiled the potential twenty presidential candidate,
and they said that Biden had considered Whitner for some time,
really liked her, was going to be the running mate,

(21:26):
and then got some pushback and said, you know what,
we're going to have to go with Harris, especially after
the Black Lives Matter protests. And Whitmer meanwhile, you know,
still was a good soldier, still campaigned happily for the pair,
didn't waiver in her support for Biden until he officially
dropped out of the presidential election.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Yeah, that was bad advice. It turns out, Dan, thank
you very much. Appreciated Dan Mitchenson you as corresponding point
at By the way, on the peace talks, the indications
are that the peace talks might resume in the next
couple of days because Trump has given an interview to
a New York Post report who had gone to Islamabad
for the first round of peace talks, the CEIs five
Piece talks at the weekend, and after the interview had

(22:06):
wrapped up, he then called her back with what he
called an update and said, you should stay there rarely
because something could be happening over the next two days,
and we're more inclined to go there. So keep an
eye on that now. The IMF, I said, I'd draw
you through these numbers. The IMF is warning that this
around war may trigger a global recession, which I guess,

(22:26):
to be honest, is not altogether a surprise. We were discussing
the possibility of this on the show yesterday. The central
forecast at the moment assumes, so the most likely forecast
right this is the Central Forecast assumes that this is
largely over by mid year and a couple of months
time it's wrapped up. Global growth then would fall from
three point four percent last year to three point one

(22:46):
percent this year, so you're not actually sacrificing that much
in global growth. The adverse scenario, though, is becoming more likely,
which assumes that oil prices would remain close to one
hundred bucks a barrel this year and then fall back
down seventy five bucks a barrel next year. Growth would
then be instead of the three point one percent that
the Central forecast has, growth would then be two point

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five percent this year, and inflation goes up to five
point four percent. But if this goes on to next year,
the oil price setting above one hundred and ten dollars
a barrel through this year and into next year. This
is the severe scenario. That's when the global growth collapses
to about two percent this year. That's the threshold that's
widely seen as being equivalent to a world ride recession.
It's only happened four times since nineteen eighty, including of

(23:31):
course COVID and GFC, and in that case inflation goes
up past six percent. Barrisoapas with us next seventeen away from.

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Speaker 3 (23:41):
Certainty if you haven't caught up yet on the fact
that there have been allegations against Sir Rod Drury. He's
of course the New Zealander of the year and has
recently been knighted. I'll run you through that before five
o'clock and then we'll talk to Max Whitehead, employment expert
after five about that. Right now, fourteen away from five
and Barri Soaper, senior political correspondent, is with us. Hello, Barry,
good afternoon. Right okay, So Taine Randall, what do you reckon?

Speaker 12 (24:02):
Well, you know, I think it's a bit of a
score for New Zealand first, isn't it? And it comes
really as no surprise because as you well know, the
rumor mill's been out there, and certainly some very senior
figures that I've talked to that have been and other
parties talking about not only voting for New Zealand First,
but some have been suggested as standing for that party

(24:26):
itself as well. And I think there are two factors
behind all of this. Of course, Winston Peters is, like
I've said before, a superb campaigner. He gets out, he
goes to country halls and drags people, and then normally
they're packed out because he's charismatic, they like the cut
of his cloth. They don't necessarily always like everything he says.

(24:50):
But look he's a pretty wily old politician. He's eighty one,
just turned so you know, look he goes show that
age isn't always the retardation that it seems when it
comes to politics. Although we have to look at the
States and perhaps.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
So very please, you don't have to make everything about
Donald Trump. Listen, the problem with New Zealand First is,
and this has been a problem from election to election,
is that they may get big numbers and they're dragging
a whole lot of flotsam and jets, and you go,
who the hell is this person and you never hear
from them, you know, between two elections. Does Tane Randall
fix that to some extent? Like he's a name, he's

(25:30):
well known and Shane Jones, you've got Tayne Randall, maybe
you've got Stu Nash.

Speaker 12 (25:34):
Yeah, I think you know. Randal is really good because
he was very well respected as an All Black. He
kept in the All Blacks, you know on twenty two times.
I think he played fifty one tests for the All Blacks,
and people know him. He's a very solid sort of
a character. Interestingly, Stu Nash, because he's standing or we

(25:57):
could be standing. He hasn't been announced yet, but.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
It looks and he may never be.

Speaker 12 (26:00):
No, No, I'm talking about Tane Randall, but certainly Stun Ash.
I've been texting him today. He's not letting on and.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
Who because Tane Randall being and Toky Tuky and hawks
By question you have ste Nash in hawks By as well, right, So.

Speaker 12 (26:17):
No, no answer from him, no indication yet, but you
know we'll see that when it comes.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Okay, We'll go on then talk about Donald Trump because
I know you want to.

Speaker 12 (26:28):
Well, I'm just finding the whole situation in the harm
of Strait. Really interesting given that you know you've got
Iran blocking ships, you've got the US also blocking ships.
The US ordered a ship back, and you remember Iran
said that it would blow anybody up if the Americans

(26:48):
started issuing orders, and straight they have the ship turned back.
Well that's it, and so far a sort of no
and thank god, no repercussions. But who knows how long
that's going to last. The International Monetary Fund has said

(27:09):
the war has stalled the world's economic momentum, and they've
talked about the possibility of a worldwide recession, which would
be absolutely appalling if that happened. So let's hope Donald
Trump is right when he talks about maybe the Iranians
are desperate to do a deal. We've heard that before.

(27:31):
And there's been a suggestion that JD Vance will go
back to Pakistan within days. Well we've heard that before
with Putin and Trump. Trump saying that we'll be having
a meeting within two weeks, and you were a bottle
whiskey to me forgetting that one wrong. But that's fine.
Now Trump is sounding a little weary these days. I've
got to say, hardly surprising, but I think we'll be

(27:56):
getting back to normal before too long. He says, what
even normal is? There is and this is what he
told us mates at Fox News.

Speaker 7 (28:05):
I had a divert because if I didn't do that
right now, you would have I ran with a nuclear weapon.
And if they had a nuclear weapon, you would be
calling everybody over there, sir. And you don't want to
do that. I mean, I view it as very close
to over. You know what, if I pulled up steaks
right now, it would take them twenty years to rebuild
that country. And we're not finished. We'll see what happens.

(28:27):
I think they want to make it deal very badly.

Speaker 12 (28:29):
That's something to be absolutely proud of. You know that
you've got to rebuild a country over twenty years to
undo the damage.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
No, I'm just it is a fair point. No, it
is something to be proud of that they have to
rebuild them military.

Speaker 12 (28:43):
And I'm going to start drinking diet coke immediately because
you know, there's cancer in my family and I think
you know it may ward it off. Although I did
try drinking some ginola during coke and I got quite sick.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Honestly, do you have anything serious to say, Willis? Or
shall we just shut it down right now.

Speaker 12 (29:02):
Well, she's she's in Washington at the moment. She's there
for other meetings, but she will be meeting with officials
in the White House. And I've got to say, Nichola
Willis and a bit like Chris Luxon in recent days
they've been somewhat more critical of the US than her

(29:23):
ministerial colleagues have been in the past, just because the.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
Focus groups are telling them to do that.

Speaker 12 (29:28):
Well maybe, yes, maybe, but they said that Donald Trump's threat,
well Nichola Willis did to end of civilization was unprecedented
and alarming. Oh my gosh. Absolutely, hope she I hope
she comes back being a little more definite that we
ever hear from Donald Trump about the end of this.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Okay, Barry, thank you very much, Barry Soper Lord, it
was a ride today seeing your political correspondent eight away
from five.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 13 (29:57):
Turtle of the bank saying seed with a call on
three k rate rise is ending at three percent asb
beaked dif for a bit in our Quei Bank waves
And Jared Kerr is the QEY Bank chief economist. And firstly,
how much of you all flying blind? How much of
this is just playing guestwork?

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Oh a lot. It's highly uncertain. The war in our
own hasn't ended yet.

Speaker 14 (30:13):
And that's precisely while we're staying to chill out ways and.

Speaker 13 (30:16):
What see, I tend to agree with you. They must
know that in Wellington as the terrorists mustn't think they
can't come out and go hey, there's twenty five point
spolks enjoy that.

Speaker 8 (30:25):
No, I don't think they can, and I don't think
Anda Berman has signaled anything like that.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
There's no knee jerk reaction.

Speaker 13 (30:32):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Husking Breakfast with
Rain Drivers fort SV News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
Right, So this is the business on Rod Drury. Rod Drury,
of course, being the Kibank New Zealander of the Year
for this year and obviously knighted, he has been accused
by a former staffer of giving her too much attention
and it took a liking to her. Obviously had her
around for dinner at the apartment, told her after dinner
that he wanted to kiss her.

Speaker 15 (30:56):
She said no, he didn't kiss her. She left, and
then afterwards she she complained to Zero about it. She
says she never got Zero, being the company that he
founded and obviously was the chief executive of. She says
she never got a written update as to what happened
as a result of the investigation that was launched because
of her formal complaint. But she said, you had a
conversation with them in which they said they could not

(31:16):
release written information because there was a whole bunch of
stuff in there that didn't relate to her. And then
four days after that conversation he quit his role. Zero
is now reinvestigating how it handled that historical misconduct allegation.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
We're gonna have a chat to Mike. No One, absolutely,
no one wants to talk about this today. She doesn't
want to talk to the paper, don't want to talk
about it anymore. Zero obviously for obvious reasons, doesn't want
to talk about it. We'll have a chat to Max
Whitehead employment relations expert, who's going to be with us
after five o'clock on that. Rachel Boyak Nelson, MP for Labor,

(31:50):
has just in the last I want to say, a
couple of hours put out on her Facebook page that
she's been away from work for the last couple of
weeks because she suffered a miscarriage. Now, she had not
gone pary look with the fact that she had been pregnant,
but she wanted to tell her constituents that she had
the miscarriage. She says, I'm telling our community for two reasons.
First to explain why I've been absent for the past
two weeks as I recover and heal. And secondly, because

(32:13):
issues of infertility, miscarriage, and baby loss are often kept
hidden and secret. Many people who suffer from infertility, miscarriage,
and baby loss suffer in secret and in silence. And
Scott and I want you to know that we see
you and we truly understand, which is actually I am
of the view because I know, look, there's a fine
line between oversharing and then just normalizing conversations about this,

(32:34):
and I'm going to say I'm on the side of
normalizing it. I think the more that people talk about
the difficulties that they have around conception and holding onto
the baby, having the baby, being a parent in the
early stages, all of that stuff, the more we normalize
that stuff, the better for everybody. Chama buill yakip, so
best of luck to her and Scott dealing with that
Chama buil yakup former economist, former economists, current economists. She's

(32:56):
I've put him out of a job already. Simplicity's chief economist,
no Less has had a crack at the government, as
I told you about them being a little bit on
the chill side about what's going on with fuel security.
He will explain it when he's with us. Shortly, news
dogs ab.

Speaker 16 (33:11):
Sircuse Goner.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Chime pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's
Heather duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand to coverage
like no one else.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
News DOORGSB.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Afternoon. Our fuel levels in the country have dropped to
the second update in a row. There is now slightly
less than three weeks worth of diesel in New Zealand.
It's not enough of a concern for the government to
move us from level one.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
We're not there yet and we hope to never get there.
But as a prudent and responsible.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Government, we know it is better to have a plan
you don't use than.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
To need one and to be caught short.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
There are some criticism now emerging of the government's relatively
relaxed approach to what is going on with fuel Simplicity's
chief economist, charmobil yakib reckons the full stage plan is quote,
do nothing, do nothing, do nothing. Then of let's talk
to him high Shommu.

Speaker 17 (34:07):
Hello.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
Okay, do you have a problem with the four stages themselves?
Or is it the four stages and everything else with
this feel plan.

Speaker 16 (34:15):
No, it's really the four stages and that we're not
moving through them fast enough. We should be in level
two where we should be trying to conserve a bit,
because any time we're buy now gives us more resilience.
But also Phase four, which is the kind of the
extreme scenario, just needs to be really clear and really transparent.
At the moment, it's too contingent. It lacks transparency, it

(34:36):
doesn't have the triggers, It doesn't define who the essential
businesses are, workers are and all of those things are
the same problems we suffer through COVID. And it seems
extraordinary to me that we're making those mistakes again.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
Okay, now, I understand the desire to start conserving, but
is our problem not also that if we conserve, we
will possibly run out of storage capacity. This is why
we're talking about increasing storage at Marsden Point and having
potentially a tanker floating off the coast. We might not
gif we conserve, we might not have anywhere to put it.

Speaker 16 (35:07):
Oh well, not really. We've already seen demand four, right,
so we've already seen fred used for We're about ten
percent since February, so people are responding to the increase
in prices already. So we've got sufficient flex there. It's
just that I think we're not talking seriously enough in
terms of how we're going to manage this in terms
of extending the fuel that's coming. Now that we know
that there is less fuel that's coming on the ships,

(35:30):
we know that in one month's time we might have
to deal with some reduction in supplies, and we're not
really prepared for that. So it's not about a panic today,
because there is no reason for panicking in news on
at all. But we need to be thinking to the
month ahead because all the stuff that's coming on the
pipe at the moment that's about stock that pretty much
left before the war really took off. So we still

(35:51):
have not dealt with the disruption that's up there.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
Right We've had the first shipment that's been held up
in Singapore. Just a delay, not a cancelation. But is
this to you the start of it.

Speaker 16 (36:02):
Well, it's more what's been happening in places like Australia
and knowing that a lot of the force measure notices
are going out and we're not seeing that here. So
what MB told us today is stuff that was signed
off three four weeks ago, but we don't know what's
going on in between on the period of the uncertainty,
and that's the bit that would give us a little

(36:22):
bit more transparency. I'm only concerned because I don't know.
I don't understand do we have enough supply coming. If
we knew for sure that there was enough supply that
those uncertainties that other countries are facing, if we're not facing,
there's great wishure we're in a great position, but we
simply don't know.

Speaker 7 (36:39):
Now.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
You also make the point that not all of the
fuel that we have in country can be used because
some of the fuel has to stay in the system
to keep the pumps working. So if you strip that out,
how much does it drop our supply by.

Speaker 16 (36:49):
It takes one to two days away, And I think again,
it's really but just making sure that we've planned for
it properly, that what we don't want is to get
to the levels where we get to zero, because that's
absolutely not how we should be running this kind of thing.
It's about insurance. The reason why we're in this kind
of predicament at the moment is because of just in time,
and we can't have a just in time approach to

(37:11):
the crisis response as well.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
All right, Chelmi, thank you for your time. Chemovill Yakib Simplicity,
Chief Economist. So we as I just referenced there, we
have had a shipment held up in Singapore. It's just
a small shipment apparently, and the reason for it is
because more vessels are now in Singapore loading up that
various places have shut down their oil production. So it's
leading to congestion and delays, and so we're being warned
we should expect these types of delays to become more common.

(37:34):
Eleven past five.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Heather duplusy Ellen the Zealander.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Of the Year. Sir Rod Drury has been accused of
inappropriate behavior by a former Zero staffer. The woman made
a complaint to Zero right before she left the company
in twenty seventeen. Zero was now reviewing how they handled that,
and Sir Rod says he's not done anything wrong. Max
Whitehead is an employment law expert at the Whitehead Group
and with us Home Ax Hi Ella, can we read
anything into the review that's just been announced or is

(37:59):
that just prudent rep mutation management by Zero.

Speaker 18 (38:03):
Well, it's a mystery why Zero are taking any action
because in employment law, what can they do? Like, there's
ninety day limit on taking a personal grievance, so that's
not an option for the complainant. The other thing is
that maybe maybe the Human Rights Commission, but there's a
twelve month limit on that. Now this is good. These

(38:24):
allegations go back ten years, so it really doesn't make
a lot of sense except is it reputational issues that
perhaps Zero is spending a fortune, maybe thirty eighty thousand
dollars on doing an investigation on this.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
Yeah, presumably to clear their name and so they hand
it properly. I would have thought, given that both of
them have left Zero, as in Sir Rod and also
the woman who's made these allegations, even if the review
did find something, Zero couldn't do anything to either of them,
could it.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
No?

Speaker 18 (38:56):
No, No, there's no action they could do to You're
right about either of them? I mean, she potentially faces
the you know, she's raised a claim that has no
substance to it. She could be disciplined if she was
an employee, but my goodness, I mean, she left many many,
many years ago and waited till she left until she
did raise the claim, and I think a couple of

(39:17):
years had passed now.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
The allegation is that he invited her. She's a junior staffer,
he's the CEO. He invites her to her dinner at
his house across the road just it seems to be
just the pair of them. Afterwards, as he's letting her
out the door, he says he wants to kiss her.
She says no. He then doesn't kiss her. Is that
a slam dunk bad move from him? How much trouble
is he in for that?

Speaker 18 (39:40):
Well, a CEO should should behave himself a lot better
than that. That's not the sort of conduct you would
expect from a CEO. But I mean, you would think
that she's said no to a CEO and he's agreed
with her it was inappropriate. I would have thought that
would have should have been the end of the matter,
But it's not, and she still wants to raise the matter,

(40:02):
and it seems like when Sue Rodd's reputation is that
it's peak. I thought it was years ago, but certainly
it's even got higher now being new Zealander of the Year.
That I mean she wants, well, I don't know what
she wants because I don't seem to gain from her
other than sitting in the sunlight with the media attention

(40:22):
that she's getting.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Max good to talk to you always is thank you
for your time. Max's Whitehead employment law expert at the
white Head Group texts on Charmobil Yak worrying about what
the government is doing. Heather, Charmobill's Henny pennyism is only
trying to stay relevant. There's nothing in this that's from
Jack and then but then to the contrary, there are
people who agree with Charmobil that this is about to
get very bloody hairy Heather. In five weeks time, the

(40:46):
ships are not coming full stop. Tane Randall with us
next fourteen past five. If you were listening to the
show yesterday you might have caught that we were talking
about the three hundred thousand dollars in government money that's
so called science has been spent on kids in three
Auckland schools painting trees. I've got an update for you
on that, so stand by. It's seventeen past five now.

(41:08):
Former All Blacks Captain Taine Randall has announced he's going
to stand for New Zealand First at the next election.
He was supposed to be revealed by Winston Peter's at
a public meeting in Hastings on Sunday, but of course
the bad weather they put off that announcement and Taine
is with us now. Iane, good evening, Heatherah mate, are
you sure you want to do this? Do what the politics?

Speaker 19 (41:30):
Yeah to me perfectly on us. It's a bit of
a divided house Randall household on that have a young
teenage daughter.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
But with all the scrutiny and stuff, but yeah, I do.

Speaker 19 (41:42):
It's been a bit of a long dance with New
Zealand First to making this decision. But I've been fortunate
in my time in New Zealand. I had a good,
good education, had a really good time playing rugby and
getting paid for it, a commercial out of your lucky
commercial and business career, and right now next phase of

(42:05):
my life pretty keen to contribute to New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
But are you taking such a risk. Everybody loves the
all blacks, so we love the all blacks, but most
of us hate the politicians. So you're do you really
want to do this to yourself?

Speaker 19 (42:18):
Completely agree with everything you said. I guess the issue
is who hated more politicians or a journalist. Yeah, No,
it's for me, you know, it's I want to do
stuff of consequence in my life, and as I've had,
I've been blessed by my time in New Zealand and

(42:41):
for me doing something of consequence is now hopefully involved
in politics.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
Okay, So if you could do one thing in your
time in politics and get it done to help this country,
what would it be?

Speaker 19 (42:53):
Build electricity generation and noodles of it?

Speaker 20 (42:58):
Why electricity used to be a competitive advantage for our
country and my grandparents' generation they handed us the one
had my parents and their grandkids out.

Speaker 19 (43:12):
In US the most prosperous country in the world, now
number one globally in the world for electrician We've had
a business which was processing vegetables, and I've seen the
effects of electricity bill doubling. Would I know that last
year had it they would have increased but probably another

(43:34):
seventy percent. So for companies like Hines for companies like
mccains and you know I live in Hawks Bay. They
are iconic companies. They're not actually they're not just Hawks,
but they are national companies when they cannot operate because
of the way our electricity sector has been handled over
the last number of decades. That's not a failure of

(43:58):
how we do things in New Zealand. That's a failure
of our electricity sector.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
I could not agree with you more that this is
fundamental to our prosperity in this country. We have to
get this right. Would you do it? Would you force
the current gent tailors to do it, or would you
do it through the government in your own way and
then just release supply all the time.

Speaker 19 (44:16):
I believe electricity it's an essential piece of infrastructure. It's
not like land corp, farms orders, energy drives, Energy is everything.
Everything in that room you're sitting on. Everything the room
that I'm sitting in comes from energy. Energy has had
to go in to get what we do right. So
I spent a week bit of time overseas, came back

(44:38):
in two thousand and nine, and things that sticks with me.
Our populations increase significantly, the size of our economy is
significantly larger than it was, say sixteen years ago. The
electricity generation is pretty much the same. So when we
talk about growing our infrastructure, which is a force multiplier,

(45:00):
we have not done that for electricity.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
Have you thought though you thought or have you thought
it through the mechanism by which you do it? Do
you do it through transpower, through the government, or do
you do it through the gentailor's being forced to build it?
You thought about that yet?

Speaker 19 (45:12):
So the gent tailors at the moment when they were
put into soees, they were charged with maximizing efficiency, maximizing profit.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
How do you do that?

Speaker 19 (45:20):
You put the price up.

Speaker 12 (45:21):
Yep, you're basically industry.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
So the government has to do it.

Speaker 19 (45:25):
Yeah, totally. I mean we sold half our companies, half
half of our electricity companies ten years ago. But electricity
is a genuine force multiplier, force multiplier of infrastructure in
New Zealand. And it's for the it's for the it's
for the benefit of New Zealand Inc.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Now it's where we've.

Speaker 19 (45:44):
Got to operate. It for the benefit of New Zealand Inc.
Not benefited for the shareholders of our electric companies. Almost
half of them are offshore.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
Well, it isn't goodluck in Tki Turki because it's Turki Toky,
isn't it.

Speaker 19 (45:55):
It is great place, fantastic place, very tough.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
Love it all. Right, Well you have to go. I
could talk to you for ages about this, but we
have to go. Attain. Thank you, Mate, Tane Randall, former
All Blacks captain. Here the thumbs up to Tame Randall.
Hither I love them already here the see you later. Catherine,
that's Catherine Weird who sits there and took it, took absolutely,
absolutely voting for Randall. Five twenty two.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
The name you trumped to get the answers you need.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Us talk there be.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
Heather twelve wins, nine losses. Tane Randall, I don't know
what that means. I mean that I'd take those numbers
of five was him? I suppose five twenty five now
more onea Pacifica. Staying on the subject of rugby, I
know there is a suggestion that maybe, just maybe more
Onana Pacifica can be saved. But do yourself a favor
and don't waste your time hoping for this because I
think that this is going to be the club's last season.

(46:48):
And I don't relish saying that, because more Wana Pacifica
was absolutely one of the highlights of last year's Super
Rugby season. But it just has never stacked up financially,
has it. I mean, the only reason it actually was
able to pay its way for a bit was because
it had a temporary injection of government money from various
government agencies. It had a little bit of financial help
from New Zealand Rugby, a little bit of financial help

(47:09):
from World Rugby, and then of course there was the
fact that they were majority owned by a charity that
drew tens of millions of dollars in an income from
the government, and once that government contract was cut, the
financial help came to an abrupt end. So the money
has run out, it's lost its big star, Ardi sav
is now in Japan, it's losing games, it's now at
the bottom of the table. The fans have deserted it again.

(47:31):
You could make the argument, and it would be a
fair argument to make that Moreana Pacifica was never really
given a fair goal because it doesn't even have a
home ground. And even if you gave it a home ground,
I would say, though, even if you gave it a
home ground and a star like Ardi every single season,
it still would not make enough money to wash its
face though, because none of the clubs do so, basically none,

(47:51):
there are very few who do. But if you're hoping
against hope that someone swoops in to save Moana Pacifica,
tell me who. It can't be New Zealand Rugby, because
if they helped more Onana Pacifica, are they also going
to start helping the hurricanes when they make a loss.
It can't be the government because we are facing the
prospect of a global recession as a country that basically
leaves private business, doesn't it, And if private business people
do it, it will only be out of generosity. And

(48:13):
how long does generosity last? If that doesn't end up
with results in the bank and results on the field,
I would say, put your hopes away. This will be
more onea Pacific as last season.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Heather duper Cy Ellen, I wanted.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
To tell you about this business with the finger painting
of the trees, and I still will, but I've run
out of time because I spent so long talking to
Tane Randall about electricity. But let me tell you that
if you this is going to be what New Zealand
first to get in a campaign on and they will
get a lot of votes on it. So keep it
ony on it. Bunning's next on the facial recognition. It's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in
your car on your drive home, it's heather dupericy ellen drive.
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Speaker 3 (49:01):
Can last last a huddles standing by there with us.
Shortly we have Morris Williamson and Gareth Hughes. I've got
a fantastic good news story out of New Zealand for you.
In this it actually involves wool, which makes it even
better because what are we supposed to do with this stuff?
There's a New Zealand's sleep brand that secured a multimillion
dollar US agreement that's called do Not Disturb, and they're

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going to be with us after six to talk us
through it. Right now, it's twenty four away from six now.
Bunnings has announced it has switched on the facial recognition
cameras in New Zealand, but only in two stores in Hamilton.
The retailer says threats against staff have more than doubled
in the last four years. Over a third are linked
to repeat offenders. Melissa Haynes as Bunnings as New Zealand
General Manager Home Melissa, Hello, why are you only doing

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two stores in Hamilton?

Speaker 21 (49:49):
Look, we're taking a really considered approach with rolling out
facial recognition technology. So we're starting with the two stores,
make sure that we've got everything right from a training
and operation perspective, and then we'll continue with phased roll
out for the rest of the stores.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
So how long do you give it in Hamilton before
you decide? Yep, pulpin for everybody else.

Speaker 21 (50:09):
We don't have a fixed timeline. It's going to depend on,
you know, what we find over the next few weeks,
but we are keen to get it into as many
stores as possible if we're seeing that reduction and threatening behavior.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
How much opposition are you facing in New Zealand towards this?

Speaker 21 (50:29):
Actually, I've been really pleased with the positivity that we've
had from this. I think there's a really good understanding
of what our real tailed team members are dealing with
across the country, which unfortunately has been a very scary
increase in violent and threatening behaviors and stores. And this
is just you know, one of the tools that hopefully

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is available, which is kind of a difference to reduce
that kind of situation that our team and our customers
are facing every day.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
Do you can you assure because the texts that I've
had are along the line of worried about you guys
losing people's faces the photographs on selling people's biometric data.
Are you going to do any of the selling?

Speaker 21 (51:09):
Absolutely not. This has been used solely as a tool
to reduce violence and threatening behavior in our stores. So
if you know, someone comes into our stores, there's a
very quick scan of the face. If there's any match
to a person that's previously committed serious harm in our stores,
then that's where we're using it. Otherwise the image is

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deleted and less than a blink of an eye. Okay,
So for you know, most people coming into our stores,
this is you know, absolutely no harm whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Why do you engage a Maori digital sovereignty expert.

Speaker 21 (51:42):
Or as I said, it's really important to us to
take careful and considered approach to this, including governance of
the whole program. So we worked with doctor TODU to
make sure that our approach in terms of taking into
accounts you know, cultural significance of biometric data, how our
training is put together, and how we do respond you know,

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if any situation arose where there was a mistake made
that we made sure that we really know exactly what
we're doing. So we want it to make sure that
it's a really robust process and takes all those things
into account and engaged with our multi community, both our
team members and across New Zealand to understand where their
concerns were and that we could make sure that our
approach addressed those.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
All right, Melissa, thank you very much for talking us through.
That's Melissa Haynes', general manager of Bunnings here in New Zealand.
It's twenty one away from.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
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Speaker 3 (52:36):
Either if I cover my face while I be banned
from the shop, Richard, try it and let us know.
Send us a textback once you've done it. On the
Huartle Morris Williams and Auckland Council, a former National Party
minister and Gareth Hugh's director at the Well Being Economy
Alliance and former Green MP. Obviously Hello you two. Hell Gareth,
how are you feeling about the facial recognition?

Speaker 14 (52:56):
Well, I do go to Bunnings and I'm picking up
my compost or bit of timber. Look, I'm ready. You know,
every time we get the super market we seem to
face this. So look, I think it's a sad reality.
You know, it's kind of closer to this all pervasive
surveillance state, kind of Chinese communist social credit. Everything's being filmed.
But as a consumer, I hate the idea that I'm

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paying more because people are stealing products, all the workers
are feeling unsafe, So I understand it the opposite of
the Privacy Commissioners come out with guidelines to help protect
us consumers. So yeah, I think it's a sad reality.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
Garret, you haven't done anything wrong. You've got nothing to
worry about. If they surveying is no.

Speaker 17 (53:36):
That's right.

Speaker 14 (53:36):
And I'd love to live in a world where people
were abusing staff and weren't stealing products. So we're not
in that world. So that's why I think it's an
unfortunate reality, and we're probably going to see more of it.
Where I think that the downside is is when people
get misidentified, you know, they look like the person that's
previously in the system, and let's be frank, it's going
to be people of a certain color in this country.

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So that's why I think it's good that they have,
you know, looked at some of the Mahdi data sovereignty
in some of the impacts of those communities as well.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
Morris, what do you reckon?

Speaker 17 (54:05):
I think it's a great idea as a minister who
introduced Supgate to our report, so I could probably hardly
be against it. A bit of a problem, I guess
for Muslim woman won't be able to go hardware shopping.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
You I'd even thought of that. Do you think they're
going to be kept out? Are they?

Speaker 17 (54:20):
Well?

Speaker 2 (54:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 17 (54:21):
How are you going to tell what's behind the little
slip terms of who it is?

Speaker 2 (54:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
Do you think Bundings might just look at it and
go probably not a threat, We'll let her in.

Speaker 17 (54:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
You never know.

Speaker 17 (54:32):
Again, whatever, there's little ti rags out there stealing from
them and just making everything more expensive for the rest
of us. I think it's bloody great and I have
no problem with it at.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
All, can I. Gareth charmatteville Yak was on with us
just after five says he has concerns that there's not
enough transparency and the whole thing seems to be a
little bit too relaxed. This is the fuel plan. What
do you think?

Speaker 14 (54:53):
Yeah, I listened in on the interview and I agree
with him. I think he makes a great point. The
government should have been nothing to be afraid of conspiency.
We know the data can be up to a week old.
People are measuring different boats and different things in different ways,
so the more information that can be revealed to better.
But I think the major point that charmu Bill was
making is we do seem to be pretty relaxed here

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in New Zealand. You know, we've got maybe fifty plus
days for the different fuel types, but we know the
last boats pre war have sort of reached their destination.
The other boats haven't come out. We've got a blockade underway.
Buffers have been drawn down which have made a little
bit easier for us than this and from Interrectnum period.
But our government does seem pretty relaxed and casual about it,

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whereas when you look across the ditch. Albanesi is really
hustling traveling to different supplier states. Some of the states
there made public transport free. There's a lot more happening
across the ditch than what's happening here.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
Yeah, I think it's by design, Morris. I think it's
quite deliberate from the government.

Speaker 17 (55:54):
What do you think, well, I mean, the first thing
you don't want is cpl having panic for no reason.
I mean, God, we've already panicked about Buddy's cyclone is
going to tear us to shreds and kill us in
our beds, and it just comes through with a bit
of rain. And I just think the government's handling this
stuff really, really well. I think that they were resisting
pressure from every man and his dog to give more

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money to somebody and give them a payment and make
a payment there, and deduct this and get rid of
rucktax here, and in the end they're just taking it
very calm and sensibly. They've got more information than the
rest of us will ever have. And I'm pretty sure
they'd start to ramp things up if they were getting
panicked about it, because they're not selection year and they
don't want to spoil it up. But thank god they're
doing it this way rather than what the last lot

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did during COVID.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
Gareth, you want to respond to that the last.

Speaker 14 (56:39):
Light over COVID saved an awful lot of lives, that
actually saved the economy. Oh, I'm noting that we should
be panicking here, but look a lot of economists and
experts are saying we could be looking at some form
of resting in the future. We don't have the information
how those decisions are going to be made. So I
agree again with Shammerbyll. You know, the government's been consulting

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on this four step action plan. It as you get
some information, you know, if we do it, if we
end up rationing, how that decision is going to be made,
who's going to make it? What's the threshold?

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Marcy?

Speaker 22 (57:10):
I know you love your little Well, the work's going on.

Speaker 17 (57:12):
Look that they're doing that work, and I know exactly
how the internals work in there, and there won't be
anyone something who cares, you know, actually be right. So on.
They'll be doing everything they can to get as much
information on the table and do some really good analytics
on it and so on. They've got really good contacts
with both South Korea and Singapore in terms of supply
and so on. I think they're handling it really well,

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and the best thing we can all do is not
panic too much.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
Now now, Morris, I know you love all your computer
stuff and all your data, and you're following this. Have
you see I got a text earlier this is people
are panicking, right, So I've got a text earlier I
said no more ships coming in five weeks. Have you
had a look at that kind of stuff? Are we
okay in five weeks?

Speaker 17 (57:52):
As far as I can tell, yes, And I truly
believe that the government, knowing it's an election year and
if they foul this up and we end up with
sort of fuel and so on, after them having told
us they've got it all on control and so on,
they know it would be the end of them.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
It's over.

Speaker 17 (58:06):
So I'm confident that the work's going on. They've got
plenty good people advising them, and their teams. The analytics
will be pretty siver. I think we'll just have a
high price. That's always going to be the case because
of what's going on with the war. But I don't
think we'll end up with such a shortage we'll have
rationing and people not being able to find fuel when
they edit.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
All right, we'll take a break. Come back to you
guys shortly quarter two.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
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Speaker 3 (58:33):
Okay, on the huddle with us again. We've got Morris
Williams and Gareth Morris. I want to come back to
something you guys did at council level yesterday. But Gareth,
you're going to miss one of PACIFICA.

Speaker 14 (58:42):
Yeah, it's going to be quite sad. I mean, they've
had five seasons and they need to somehow find ten
to twelve million dollars, which is the price for a
new owner Rugby Football Unions posting a loss of nearly
twenty million last year. So I don't know what the
answer is. I just hope here are some of them
deep pockets who can say day. But also, this is
kind of the state of rugby today. It's a sort

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of it's a business. It's all about profit. I watched
an awesome game the Portuqui versus Nartapa and the back
Box of Gisborne recently, and I loved it because they're
playing for passion, not for money.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
What made you go there? Gareth?

Speaker 14 (59:15):
Well, I did a conference at a Mariah nearby and
I was heading home and I saw the game it
just started, so you just watched it. It was lovely.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Did you pull over that just to watch the game?

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (59:26):
I mean I've played rugby for many years and broken
my nose twice playing it, so I think it's a
beautiful game. And then she's saying, you know, amateurs play
it really well. It was wonderful, like you more.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Every time I talked to you, Garris or Morris. I
mean I think that the problem is, Yeah, they need
ten to twelve million dollars whatever is not going to happen.
It's the end, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (59:46):
The problem with any professional sport nowadays is you've got
to get the audiences and you've got to have them
paying money, and you've got to be able to fund things.
And if specific sports that have become predominant and others
drop away, that will be just how the market works.
You know, rugby used to be the only game in
town and now there is so many different sports you
can watch on a weekend and choose to, and women

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have got all the women's legs up as well, and
they've got to somehow be funded. I'm a big fan of.
If they can win an audience and pay for themselves,
good on them. And if they can't, this idea that
we'll use somewhat. Is it a Pacific Health fund or
something that will be paying them to keep paying Rugby
is just madness.

Speaker 7 (01:00:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
It was a charity funded by the government, so it
was not a great Yeah. Okay, Now yesterday I think
it was Auckland Council's Policy, Planning and Development Committee voted
fourteen to two to an investigation into supporting sanctions against
Israel over war crimes. What does that mean? Morris?

Speaker 17 (01:00:44):
Well, well, guess where I was not there? I was
in the two.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
Oh were you kis me? What is this investigation? What
is the best case scenario that we get from this investigation?

Speaker 17 (01:00:54):
Well, simply, Heather, I actually took it at a high
level than that. I just kept saying, we've got the
public angry at the biggest rate increase that we've ever
had as an Auckland Council, the seven point nine that's
our biggest ever. We've got the government say I'm going
to stick a rates capin on you guys, because you're
not sticking to what's your core role and function. And
I said, I'm sorry, but I just don't know why

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we're getting involved in international affairs with regards to what
other countries are doing in the Middle East. So it's
not to do with whether one side's and the right
or wrong. I think they're all very tarnished enough.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
It's not our role. It's not our role.

Speaker 17 (01:01:29):
Let's stay out of it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
That's exactly right because this investigations, If this investigation comes
back and says yes, Auckland Council you should support sanctions,
then what happens. Does Auckland go out and go we
support sanctions against Israel over war crimes? Is that what's
going to happen?

Speaker 17 (01:01:45):
Well, that probably be the next logical step for some
of the people that were arguing Clint Council things, well,
who knows, we're Auckland councilors. But more importantly, have a
look at some of our major trading banks. I mean,
where will we be banking in future, because the vast
bulk of the trading banks around the world have investments
and sort of funds with companies that you might think

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a dodgy or might argue one way or the other.
In the end, here we've got potholes, we've got parks
that need to be looked after, we've got footpaths that
need to be laid, and we've got a bloody rate
increase that keeps coming up and up in it. And
if the government's going to come in and put a rates
cap on us, then why I just said, why don't
we stick to what is our core role and function
and keep our bloody nose out of everything else?

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
Quite right, Gareth, can you mount an arguments why Auckland
Council has to spend money doing this?

Speaker 14 (01:02:30):
Yeah, because I think Auckland Council Auckland is kiwis. We
are a country that believe in the rule of law.
We don't want to trade with those committing war crimes
or in this case, genocide. We don't want to be
buying products from a llegal occupied region. I think citizens
want to know that their rate payer money isn't contributing
towards causing harm, which was so egregious and wrong on

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the other side of the world. So it could be
a I don't imagine it's a huge amount of money,
but it can actually save money trading was occupied territories.
They can stop that.

Speaker 17 (01:03:04):
But but here the try doing the trace and track.
So many companies have subsidiaries and mothership companies and contracts
somewhere else. You can spend your whole bloody life trying
a trace and track to work out who's associated with what.
And I double dog do you to find a single
major trading bank that hasn't got something going on? And
if we're going to say they're all excluded, now where

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do we even bank?

Speaker 7 (01:03:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Garres, would you like to reply to that?

Speaker 14 (01:03:30):
Well, I just think Auckland councils should probably be buying
more from Auckland businesses and spending money locally. That's probably
the easiest solution.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
If I've done all of the good work you did
with the your Portucky rugby game. Now I'm just crossing. Okay, guys,
have a good afternoon. Thank you so much, Morris, Williams
and Gareth. Here's a huddle this evening ate away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
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Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Here the right from day one, I said that Mowana
Pacifica was going to be a scrap heap for Old
Pacific Islands who are rugby players, super antesque rugby players,
and I think I'm right. Tell me one player who
has gone on to greatness after playing for Mowana Pacifica.
Tell me one player who was plucked from a salmon
or a tongue and local rugby team. Not one that
I can think of, Bruce. Actually, I can answer that
question for you now, as you know, I make a
virtue out of not watching Super Rugby on principle, and

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also I've got better things to do with my life
that are much more interesting. But I was talking to
Elliott about this. Elliott and I had quite the intense
discussion about this earlier on and he told me there's
a chap called Miracle who was plucked out of somewhere.
I feel like it was sar Moore. Wana Pacifica found Miracle,
and Miracle will now go on to play in one
of the super rugby squads once Wana Pacifica has folded.

(01:04:42):
And that is pretty much he said. There only success story,
So there is one, but there isn't any others, and
there is your problem, right and gear right. It has
ended up being a retirement scheme basically four away from six.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
I told you last night about the three hundred thousand
dollar government money that was given to Auckland University for Science,
which then ended up on research being spent on research
that essentially involved school kids from three Auckland schools painting
pictures of trees for the purpose of assisting in forest health.
So a text said, after I'd talked about this, I

(01:05:16):
was prompted by a text to maybe, you know, let's
get the people on to see if they can explain
this and tell us, no, it's not what it looks like.
We didn't spend three hundred thousand dollars on kids doing
finger painting. No, no, there's more to it. Fair enough,
there might be more to it. So we called mb
which is the government department that spent all the money
on this, and we said can you come on and
they said, oh no, no, but here's the statement. And

(01:05:38):
they sent us a statement. I swear to god it
said nothing like it said nothing. It's the kind of
statement that would assist you into sleep. Do you know
what I mean? There's nothing, It's just it's the classic
public service thing. Words lots of words. They don't say
anything but there's lots of words in there. The only
thing is like vaguely interesting is that it said the
program was not overspent. Thank the Good Lord for that,

(01:05:59):
because it three hundred thousand dollars. I was already thinking
that was too much. Then we asked Aukland University because
of course they were the ones who did the research.
They said, oh, semester break, can't find anyone, just the
rest of us obviously are still contactable during semester break,
but whatever. And then they sent us a link Auckland
University to explain it, which I thought, maybe this will

(01:06:19):
make it better. The project facilitated a child lead inquiry
into Nahada Health NAR headed as Your Forest. It followed
the subsequent interest of teachers and students in the closure
of their local Cody Park reserve as a result of
Cody die back. And then it quoted hmmm, Alwyn Richardson,
the only way we have of knowing if a child
has any appreciation of a natural organism is if he

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thinks and talks about it, or writes about it, or
paints about it. Not much better as it sleep products.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
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Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
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Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
Evening. Coming up in the next hour. Inland Revenue apparently
wants GST to go up. Jane tib CHRANI will talk
us through that. After half past Milford Asset Management on
the A two fore cast earnings downgrade earlier this week
in Gavin Gray is obviously with us out of the UK,
it's coming up eight past six. Now I've got some
good news for you, as in a good news story
in New Zealand business Do not Disturb. Sleep Company has

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secured a multimillion dollar deal in the US. And what's
better is that they're using wool and their products. And
with me right now is the chief dream Officer and
the founder, Chris Larcom. CHRISMS. Pronounced your name.

Speaker 23 (01:07:36):
It sounds pretty poshi.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
How do you pronounce it?

Speaker 23 (01:07:39):
Lacum lacom really fast, lacum lacum.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
Okay, Well, I feel like it's a name. We need
to get used to it and learn because you guys
might do some amazing things here. Will you haven't named
the partner that you've signed with.

Speaker 23 (01:07:49):
Why is that it's very fresh and the lawyers have
only just given me the okay to do that. But
he's his name to Ezra. It's based in Chicago, and
he's just come out of a twelve year building a
mattress making business that was doing thirty million or so
a year, and he wanted to get into other products
and he fell in love with his own wool. Our

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friends wise Wool, who we buy our will from. The
greatest wall you can use for sleep products. Yeah, introduced us.
It was only about six weeks ago, and the war
started about the same time, but it didn't stop this
from happening. And on Good Friday, which is now I
call effin Good Friday.

Speaker 6 (01:08:27):
Ye, he signed.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
Brilliant now, so he's making the mattresses. So what you're
making is arguably complimentary. Right, You've got the pillows, You've
got the sleep masks. What's in that sleep miss is it?

Speaker 12 (01:08:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:08:39):
It's a new product, the sleep Miss, with some botanical
oils in there to help knock you out as you
put your head on your pillow. But actually he's finished
with his mattresses. He actually decided to leave his family
business and he wanted to start something different, go down
a new path, but use all his experience with online
Amazon marketplace, running his own Shopify site, which is what

(01:09:00):
I've built for ourselves. So he's got all the experience,
he's got the connections, and he's just values alignment, ethics,
environmentally responsible. Everything has to be the story back to
the farm. So he just fell in love with everything
we're doing and I couldn't ask for a better partner.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
To Chris, I'm just going to get you to stop
banging your hands on the table because it's causing earthquakes.
Excited to be Yeah, I'm sorry, it's so annoying for you.
I'm sorry. It's the mayor of Auckland does it all
the time. I have to tell them as well, because
it's just causing earthquakes in our heads. What does it
mean this partnership, What does it mean for your products?

Speaker 23 (01:09:32):
For the business. So we are the maker of everything
that you'll see on doing not to stir a website,
and we're based in Avendar. We're a commercial work room
where old school twenty five sewing machines overlock as a
giant Swiss quilting machine, big cutting tables, no technology in
the business, yeah, just very very capable skilled machinists cutters.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
Is the point of difference that is good for you?
Or does that seek you behind?

Speaker 23 (01:09:55):
Our greatest point of difference? Why we get to I
don't know the way to control, but it's our product.
We design them, we evolve them, we make them. We
care more than anyone else would ever do to make
those products, the love of the soul that goes into them.
And you actually feel that. I believe you do, and
we get the feedback from our customers that there's something
different about them. Even Ezra in Chicago said never seen anything.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Like So would people pay a premium for things being
made in the old way?

Speaker 23 (01:10:23):
Yes, and also made from New Zealand, which is really
important for his story. He could have chosen to have
our products made in the US, it could have chosen
to have them made in Asia, but he wanted them
made as close to the source of the materials, but
also by the best people that can make them.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
So now you've made a point because of course you're
using New Zealand wall, which is fantastic because we're all
looking for ways to use New Zealand wall to keep
this thing going. But you make the point that if
we're not using New Zealand wall, The stuff that we
are sleeping is full of all these little bits of
plastic are.

Speaker 23 (01:10:53):
They microplastics, synthetics, any sort of chemicals they add to
it to say, hey, we're a cooling pillow, cooling gowls
and things like that. Wooll does that by nature, It's
inherently one of its magical properties. And if you don't
mess with the wool, which is wise, we don't. What
you've got in front of your heather is the color
of the wall that came off in the sheep. There's
no vegetable, which is like.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
It's like the stuff in cartoons. This is like perfect war.

Speaker 23 (01:11:15):
Yeah, but they haven't had to mess with it chemical treatment.
And the farmers are getting a really good return on
that wool, so they want to keep farming. They don't
want to plant pine trees and ruin the environment. So
we just need to grow the demand for it, which
we have been not in New Zealand so much. It's
from the US. We had to look outside New Zealand.

Speaker 24 (01:11:31):
The money.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
We don't have the money for this kind of thing.
How big do you reckon you can make this company?

Speaker 23 (01:11:36):
Well, I like to look at Icebreaker. Icebreakers started what
fifteen year journey and they sold one Marino T shirt
was their first product, and then they sold the company
I think for two hundred and eighty eight million. Yeah, right,
so I think we can get there. I think everyone
in the world sleeps at about a third of the
people in America are on pills or some sort of
therapy treatment for help with sleep. So we just need
a small fraction of that market, which we're going to

(01:11:58):
get and then I believe, who know, five years to
ten years need to set an impossible goal, but we
should get to thirty forty million. That was a sale
coming through the website.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
So whoever is are you serious? Is that to sound
for somebody just spending money with you?

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:12:11):
Thank you? How good is that to the police?

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
I love the show.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
Okay, we do not disturb dot Co, dott in Ze
or something.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
That's my mum. She's so good.

Speaker 23 (01:12:22):
She keeps buying these saving you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
I love that from her. It's distracted, all right, What
was your goal five to ten years?

Speaker 23 (01:12:28):
But we're want to say thirty million turnover?

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (01:12:31):
Go you?

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
Why not?

Speaker 23 (01:12:32):
You don't want to know what is now? It has
been for the last five years, but it's been horrible.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
It is and this is the thing, right is that
what we forget is that in order to be the
next Nce break and you have to go through years
of earning less than the minimum wage and really busting
with ut Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:12:44):
That's correct, that is correct. We've been there, done that.
Now we're on the next path and we get to
grow the business, double the team in the next year.
There's a lot of manufacturing businesses that have shut down
and there are people knocking on our doors looking for works,
and now we can actually open those doors.

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
Good stuff. Well, listen, Chris, beast of luck with it
and we will wait to see when the announcement comes
of who it is that you've signed with. Chris, give
me your surname again, Lacum, Lacum.

Speaker 16 (01:13:07):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
Chris Larkham, a chief dream Officer and founder of the
Do Not Disturb Sleep Company, which is to sign a
massive US partnership. Keep an eye on that, and obviously
go to the website and buy something so you can
hear that. Chin Coming six fourteen, it's the head Duper.

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Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
Right, let me give you the numbers, of course, a
ins ITEX fifty up zero point four to six percent today,
A six fifty down zero point one percent so far
today it's pretty flat. A barrel of Brent crude costs
ninety six US dollars now. That is up just slightly
less than one percent today and still under one hundred
dollar mark, which we're happy about. One New Zealand dollar
is worth fifty nine US cents, eighty three Australian cents,

(01:13:47):
fifty euro cents, forty four UK pence and ninety four yen.
Right now, it's seventeen past six and Jeremy Hutton Wilford
Acid Management is with us.

Speaker 12 (01:13:55):
Ello.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
Jeremy, hi, hear that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
How you doing very well?

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
Thank you?

Speaker 7 (01:13:59):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:13:59):
A two MILKAD downgrade in the forecast earnings this week,
of course, did you find that surprising for a business
that have been going so well?

Speaker 5 (01:14:06):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 25 (01:14:07):
It was slightly disappointing for the market and for a
two particularly that they're just excuse me, upgraded their earnings
only only six weeks ago.

Speaker 6 (01:14:16):
And a reminder for listeners A to milk.

Speaker 25 (01:14:18):
They are a large supplier of formula product into the
very important Chinese market, and you're right they have been
doing really really well of late, and they are now
in fact the second largest international brand in the huge
Chinese market, and you know, that's an outstanding outcome for
a relatively relatively new company. But I mean, this week, unfortunately,

(01:14:39):
they're downgraded their earnings by around thirteen or forty percent,
and the share price is off roughly roughly the same amount.
But I would just comment that, you know, over the
past two years, the share price is still up over
fifty percent taking into account this downgrade, so you know,
still a very very strong performer.

Speaker 11 (01:14:58):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
It didn't seem like it was all bad news, though,
was it.

Speaker 25 (01:15:03):
Yeah. I mean that was interesting reading from some of
the comments from management, and I would agree. I mean,
usually profit warnings of bad news, but not all of
this was bad news, because on one hand, part of
the issue is that they're having very very strong demand
and they're struggling to be able to supply that demand.
And unfortunately they haven't had enough inventory in market and

(01:15:23):
they're having some problem with stockouts on the shelves, and
part of this is its outsource manufacturing. It's just been
struggling to keep up keep up with this demand and
hasn't been able to flex up enough, so unfortunately A
two has been missing out on a few more sales
than they otherwise thought they would have got.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Yeah, some delays at the Chinese border as well.

Speaker 25 (01:15:42):
Ain Yeah, I mean this is the second factor that
they had, and again outside of their control somewhats and
unfortunately some of their key competitors have had issues with
product recalls, which is obviously very very sensitive and infant
formula products. So the Chinese authorities have understan and understandably
put in a few more additional checks.

Speaker 8 (01:16:03):
Uh.

Speaker 25 (01:16:03):
And A two has been been caught up in this too,
And of course they're not caught up on these recalls,
but they are getting these extra checks, and unfortunately they're
having to the products getting held up at the border,
and they're having to try and air rate some product
in and this is this is causing some additional costs
for them. So they are getting a squeezed a little
bit from both sides, slightly lower revenue than their respecting

(01:16:26):
and then and then higher costs from from from these
delays and more air f rate going in.

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
Do you think this is a temporary blipp A two.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:16:35):
I mean, I'd just like to stress again that they
haven't had any products issues with their products in terms
of the in terms of the recalls. So as I
mentioned earlier, they are going going really really well. So
you know, I think they will sort these issues out.
I mean, they're they're insourcing this manufacturing to try and
get a bit more control of the process. They've got
some new products coming out which which have been performing
really well, and then they're entering some new geographies too

(01:16:58):
in Southeast A So they will sort these products out.
And especially given how well the business is done in
recent years and the size of the prize in this
massive Chinese market is huge, so there is a lot
of upside here for a two if they can continue
to execute.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
Brilliant Hey, thank you for running us for it as always, Jeremy,
that's Jeremy Hutton, Milford Asset Management six twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics, it's all
on the business hour with the DUP sur and MAS
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Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
News talks heavy.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
Heather, go this guy from Avondale, My company's next door
on New Lynn. Well there you go. That that's enough
to cheer somebody on, isn't it. Now spirah thought for
Trump's staff because apparently they're struggling to keep up with
his his truth socially after dark. So it's okay, I mean,
you know what he's like on the old social media,
And it's okay during the day because during the day,

(01:17:54):
Susie Wilds, who's the chief of staff and basically like
mother hen in the White House, can keep an eye
on what he's up to because she's got a monitor
in her office that just has dedicated twenty four to
seven or at least while she's in the office, just
dedicated to giving her a live feed of what he's
doing on truth social with his posts. And then if
she sees something bad pop up, she can hurry over
into his office and sort of engineer a distraction apparently

(01:18:16):
to divert him from going on a spree if it's necessary.
And this is the level of intervention they're having to run.
But after dinner is when it becomes a problematic. It
becomes problematic because obviously everybody needs a break, So Susie's
off the clock after dinner. Danger zone in particular is
after he's had his dinner dinner with Milania, before she
retires into her separate sleeping quarters after dinner from that

(01:18:39):
point through to one am. That's the danger zone when
he's still awake, and then it starts up. The clock
starts sticking again at five AM when he wakes up.
Sunday was a particularly restless night. Apparently he posted half
a dozen times between about half past two let's be precise,
between two thirty five and two thirty eight, six times

(01:19:00):
between two thirty five and two thirty eight in the morning,
and then he started up again at four ten on
Monday morning. The worst night, though, I mean, you think that,
like we'd look at that and go, Lord, it's like
having it. It's like it's like breastfeeding a newborn, isn't it. No,
But that for them was actually not that bad on
the scale of how bad things can be. The worst
night was on December one, which was a Monday. And

(01:19:21):
they will not forget this night because that night, between
nine in the evening and midnight, he posted one hundred
and fifty eight one hundred and fifty eight times, which
works out at a rate of nearly one post per
minute for three hours straight. And what he was doing
was just retweeting. He was just looking up crap and

(01:19:42):
retweeting it and replying and go like for three hours.
Can you imagine three hours of that? Anyway?

Speaker 22 (01:19:49):
I think he's all hyped up after dinner, Heather, because
he's just eaten. What is it like two Filari fishes
and two Big Max for McDonald's and a bunch of
diet coachs to like hit the cancer cells.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
Yep, hard out. He has just s mash the sugar.

Speaker 22 (01:20:00):
He's just ready for social media. He's ready for a bite.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
And if you have toddlers, you'll know what I'm talking about.
There is that sort of half hour after dinner where
this where the sugar spikes and it's just a bit
mental in your house, Like you've given them dinner, they've
sat down there fine, and then they're like whip and
then you get them in the bath and it calms
them down. That's what they need. They need to run
him a hot bath and calm him down. Six twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
Do you remember when Timothy shallow May slagged off the
ballet and it lost him the Oscar?

Speaker 11 (01:20:31):
And I don't want to be working in ballet or
opera or you know things where it's like hey, keep
this thing alive, even though.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
Well, the head of the London Royal Ballet has thanked
him for those comments. The clip, obviously, as you know,
spread like Wi Fi wildfire. There was massive outrage from
the performing arts community. People were furious. Others they were
clever and they jumped on the promotional opportunity. And I
told you about the Seattle Opera because they posted to
Instagram and they were encouraging the ticket buy to use

(01:21:00):
the code Timothy for a discount. Well, also, the head
of London's Royal Ballet and Opera, Alex Beard, also got
onto this and they are thanking. They've given a Times
interview now they are thanking him for boosting ticket sales.
This guy said it was important for them not to
release a hoity tweety statement taking down Timothy Shalamy. So
what they did instead was they went out to the

(01:21:21):
public and said, hey, take a look at what we're doing. Mate.
That post got two and a half million engagements, half
a million in shares on Instagram alone. So ironically, Timothy
saying that the ballet was dead might actually have been
the thing that, at least for a hot minute, has
resuscitated the ballet, which just goes to show all presses.

(01:21:41):
Actually in the end, good Press asked Donald Trump. Maybe
he would disagree, but probably he would not anyway, at least,
you know, judging by the fact that he continues to
court all the press. Jenative Trainey is going to be
with us next and we'll have a chat about where, Yes,
if we were going to hike it because Treasury wants
it out up, where do we take it to news

(01:22:01):
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Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
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Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
Your Royal family are trying to do everything they possibly
can to avoid having to say anything at all about
hazard and mes are doing the fake the fake Royal
Tour of Australia. We'll go to Gavin Gray on that.
Surely shortly this has got to be possibly the fail
of the week. People trying to call Timaru Hospital have
apparently been calling Sophie's Coffee Lunger. It's Sophie's s O

(01:22:51):
p H. Like he starts out like it's going to
be Sophie and then it ends with an easy which
I suppose is like, you know, it's got the ease
factor to it us. Anyway, they've been trying to call
Timoru hospitals, they're probably not that shelled out and then
they're being sent through to Sophie's Coffee lounge instead because
the Gemini AI tool has been giving them the wrong
number and apparently this has been happening up to twenty

(01:23:13):
times a day. So just fyi, number one, if you
are in Timuru trying to get the hospital, that's not
the right number to call. And number two turns out
you can't trust the AI for everything, can you? Twenty
four away from seven now, Inland Revenue says taxes need
to rise and it favors a higher GST rate and
a capital gains tax. The Herald's Wellington business editor Genative Train,

(01:23:34):
he's been looking into this and is with us now, higenate, Hey,
heaven have they said how high they want GST to go?

Speaker 9 (01:23:41):
They haven't said that, But what they have said is
they reckon the tax system needs to be designed in
such a way that it makes it easier for governments
to lift tax rates. Should governments need more money, So
Inland Revenue and the Treasury have been ringing the alarm
bells over the fact our population is aging. We basically

(01:24:03):
aren't projected to have enough tax coming in to pay for,
you know, all the looming costs around healthcare, suberanuation, that
type of thing. So they say that they assume that
in the future governments will fix this. Governments haven't been
fixing it, but they reckon at some point they will
have to fix it. But they don't know if governments
will fix it by cutting spending or by hiking taxes.

(01:24:27):
So they say, because we don't know what the future holds,
we should set up the tax system in such a
way that we can hike rates should it be required.
So that's why they haven't said, you know, how much
they think GCT should be increased by. But they do
say if governments do that, they recommend offering a cash
transferred to low income earners, because, of course, you know,

(01:24:47):
if GST rate goes up, that really hits low income
earners disproportionately hard. So how would this cash transfer work,
So it could be like a tax bait or something
like that at different levels. You know, Basically, increasing the
GCT rate is regressive, so they don't want that, but

(01:25:12):
they think that if they you know, if we get
to the point we have to increase gest they transfer
some money back, then then we can also have a
capital gains tax. So that's the other one that they're
flagged now, I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:25:26):
I'm saying controversial. Yes, so i ID wants a treasury wants.
So the problem is, of course the politicians are the
gatekeepers and we're in the cost of living crisis. Ain't
gonna happen, is it?

Speaker 9 (01:25:36):
Well, you know that's the thing. The economy is on
shaky ground. We're truly looking at a stagflation environment. Any
politician coming out now to say the hiking taxes is literally,
you know, secured an absolute fail at the election. You know,
people will say, well, Labour's keen on the capital gains tax.
That's true, but Labour's capital gains tax is actually pretty narrow.

(01:25:58):
They only want it to apply. You know, two houses
sold after they were they've been bought after a certain date,
you know, so that will really limit the revenue that
would be generated. And you know, due to the narrowness
of it. In the revenue, saying we actually need more
tax income and CGT could be a good option, but

(01:26:20):
it would need to be broader, you know, so, so
I guess Inland Revenue and the Treasury, I'm looking at
looking what they're writing, and it is at a completely
different level to what the politicians are saying. So either
our economic stewards are completely off track or the politicians
are completely off track. But there is no one political

(01:26:40):
party that is saying we're going to tax you more.
We're going to give you less for that tax because
we need to save money for the future. And that
is the message that is resonating quite strongly from the
Treasury and and the revenue.

Speaker 3 (01:26:53):
Interesting, Jenny, thanks very much, appreciate it as always genative
trainee The Herald's Wellington Business Editor. It's twenty away from sex,
Heather Duperl how by an entire hour, twenty away from
seven try that one on you do you know what?
They can take a running jump, can't they? Ird and
Treasury can take a running jump, because you know what
would be a better idea than raising taxes, hiking up

(01:27:13):
the GST, hiking up the capital gains tax. What would
be a better idea is if we cut spending, like
for example, the thing we've been talking about on this
show and last the three hundred thousand dollars given to
some project to watch kids paint pictures text on that evening, Heather,
thanks for trying to get mb and Auckland Union to
tell us how our three hundred thousand dollars was wisely spent. Today.

(01:27:34):
I also got to see the photo of the three
by two meters Kumita patch that we all paid twenty
five thousand to twenty five thousand dollars per square meter for.
Maybe the head hon show Nichola Willis can tell us
how this is good use of taxpayers dollars. Great, quite right,
So before they come at us asking for a little
bit more of the old goods and services tax, I'd
go how many Kouma patches you paid for today? Mate?

(01:27:55):
Just out of interest? How many kids did we get
to do the finger painting of the trees?

Speaker 7 (01:27:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:27:59):
Did we?

Speaker 3 (01:28:00):
Did we pay for any of those whales songs that
we needed to play to the trees to see if
it helped the trees?

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
How about you start cutting the wasteful spending on that
and then we can talk about maybe raising taxes. Now,
we'll just put that one away because that's just made
us un just disproportionately angry that people could be this stupid.
I just you know what, can I just say, I'm
always surprised that this beautiful country has created enough morons,
Like somehow we have managed to create enough morons to actually,

(01:28:29):
through the whole food chain, managed to make that payment possible.
Don't you think that's a remarkable thing. Like, first of all,
there's the moron who was like, you know what I
want to do. I want money to watch kid's paint
pictures of trees and see if that helps with Cowie
die back. I know that's what I am that moron.

(01:28:49):
That moron was born and came up with that idea.
Then you had the moron that's their boss, who was like,
do you know what, that's a good idea. Actually you
should you should actually apply for that money. That more
on too. Then the moron whose desk that arrived at
at MB where they were like, look, hey, there's a
request for some money to get the kids to paint
the trees. That moron who went, yeah, that's a great idea. Tick,

(01:29:10):
there's a whole list. And by the way, it won't
be that efficient, like there will be at least about
four or five people at the university of Auckland and
likely about seven at MB, So there's at least a
dozen morons that we have somehow managed to breed in
this country who are stupid enough to think that was
a good idea. Remarkable, remarkable anyway, from stupid ideas to
great ideas. There is a proposal to allow pharmacists to

(01:29:32):
hand out more kids medicines without needing to go to
the GP. And I am on board with this because
we need to stop the GPS being the only gatekeepers
when things are really obvious and you could go in
and go, look there's a cut, it's infected. Oh, here's
some antiboster crem Like I'm not saying GPS needed, but
do you know what I mean? Like it's obvious you
don't always need the GP to do that. Health New

(01:29:53):
Zealand has come up with this proposal. So what it's
considering is allowing the pharmacists to take a look at
the kid and go, yep, this call. I'm going to
give you some pamil for that, pamels, ibuprofens, oral rehydration,
common conditions like scabies, headlice, conjunctivitis. Can you actually believe
that you have to go to the GP and go, yes,
look look at that, Yes, that would be a case

(01:30:14):
of head lice. Could you please give us something prescription
for that? One time on the conjunctividus one time it
was a weekend. And doesn't it suck when the kids
get sick at the weekend, Like that really rips under's
egg because it sucks all the time because you love
them and you don't want them to get sick, But
at the weekends it really sucks. And this one weekend,
the little one who would have been I reckon, I

(01:30:35):
reckon less than a year at this stage, maybe ten months,
she came down with pussy eyes. There is clearly a
case of conjunct conjunctivinus. Right, so pussy eyes, both eyes,
which means it's now it's bacterial. So and I as
a Saturday, what do you do. You can't go to
the GP because the gps have weekends, don't they. So
went to the emergency sat in the not not starship

(01:30:56):
door where I'm not that kind of a parent, went
till one of the white Cross ones or whatever that
you have to pay for. So went and sat there
probably three hours, probably four hours on a Saturday afternoon,
just so the GP could go, oh, yes, yes, missus
duplicy Ellen, you are in fact correct, this would be
a case of conjunctividers. Let me give you some eye drops. Yes,
those would be the eye drops. So I went to
the pharmacy for in the afternoon and asked if they

(01:31:18):
could just give them to me. But I had to
go through the harsh muzzle of three hours of four
hours and waste the doctor's time because they didn't need
to do that. And now if this proposal goes through,
you don't have to do that. Isn't that brilliant? Oh
and for the adults, also very common uncomplicated UTIs they'll
be able to do with that in emergency birth control
as well as be able to give it to you.
How good is how good is it that the pharmacists

(01:31:39):
can be adults sixteen away from seven?

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
Ever, it's to do with money. It matters to you.
The business hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and Mas.

Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
Insurance and investments, your futures in good hands us talks
that'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
I'm going to tell you it looks like the European
countries may actually step into help out with the strait
of homers or get you across there shortly thirteen away
from Stephen gaven Gray UK correspondence with US Elogevin.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
Either had that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:05):
So why is an eighty six year old French woman
being detained in the US?

Speaker 24 (01:32:10):
Well, because they claim the authorities that she is an
illegal migrant there and she's been effectively detained by the
US Department of Homeland Security, which oversees immigration and customs enforcement,
or the ICE Department, and they are saying they detained
an illegal alien from France and that she had entered

(01:32:30):
the country in June last year and overstayed her ninety
day visa. This is an extraordinary story, would make a
Hollywood film. Actually, So she moved to the US after
marrying her long lost love, an American man named Billy,
whom she met back in the nineteen sixties when he
was a soldier stationed in the NATO base and she

(01:32:50):
was a secretary. Now he returned to the US and
they lost touch. They got married separately, each in their
own country. They each had children, and then they reconnected
and visited one another with their spouses, and then shortly
afterwards both their spouses died and they were widowed. So
they then decided to start a relationship, and they married

(01:33:11):
last year and she moved to Alabama. Now the problem
is that she had this visa, and even though they
were married, she was after a green card, a long
term visa that didn't derive when all of a sudden
her husband died. So she's now in America without a
green card. And her son said that she apparently has

(01:33:31):
been handcuffed by her hands and feet like a dangerous criminal,
and he is outraged.

Speaker 3 (01:33:36):
Oh my goodness. Now the Royals are they trying to
ignore what's happening in Australia.

Speaker 2 (01:33:41):
Yeah, very much so.

Speaker 24 (01:33:42):
The roles here in the UK are really saying or
doing nothing, not even acknowledging Harry and Megan's unofficial trip
to the Australian three cities of Caner, Melbourne and Sydney.
Now the reason that we're getting this is, of course
they are going in a private capacity. But I think
my sources are saying that roles here are really really

(01:34:03):
unhappy about this idea of mixing their you know, their
their do good charity work with a commercial aspect of
the trip, with Megan organizing a women's only girls weekend
in Sydney, for which the tickets are paying well some
six and a half sorry it's four and a half
thousand New Zealand dollars to attend this weekend and others

(01:34:27):
are going to hear Harry speak and again paying quite
a lot of money for that. Interestingly, just in the
news in the last few hours, Harry has said that
he wants his children, all children should be an upgrade
of their parents, and in one talk said I had
to cleanse myself of my past before having children, saying

(01:34:48):
he felt disconnection to his son. So some interesting stuff
coming out of that. But as I said, people are
from the royal family here having nothing to.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
Do with this visit.

Speaker 3 (01:34:57):
Now, what happened with this chap that the landlord who's
just trying to be patriotic.

Speaker 24 (01:35:02):
Yes, it's an unusual one here. So the Saint George's
flag is a white flag with a large red cross
right through the middle, and of course Saint George is
the pension Saint of England.

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
It is the English flag. Now, when a landlord back.

Speaker 24 (01:35:16):
In twenty sixteen for the European Football Championships one wanted
to show support for England. He painted his pub entirely
white with the red cross right through the middle of it,
and it's remained there without really any issues until about
a year ago when a visitor from London staying at
an Airbnb.

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
In the area is said to have reported it to
the council.

Speaker 24 (01:35:40):
The complaint is that he made the seventeenth century pub
look like quote, the headquarters of the National Front, which
is the far right organization over here, and he complained
and on that matter the council took it up and said, actually, no,
this should be removed.

Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
Now.

Speaker 24 (01:35:56):
Part of this is to do with actually the pub
is of historic interest and that is not its natural
color white, and neither should it have the red cross
painted through to preserve its heritage. But this is being
painted as one man's battle to be patriotic and fly
in the flag and not being allowed to. And incidentally, Heather,
if you think well he could have just put up
a flag post, he'd have needed planning permission for that too,

(01:36:20):
of course.

Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
He would have given. Of course, thank you very much
as always, Gavin Gray, UK Correspondent. So it looks like
the European countries are going to help with the Strait
of Hormos after all, even though they told Donald Trump
that they wouldn't. It's being reported by the Wall Street
Journal that they're putting together a plan for a group
of them to help free up shipping through the Strait,
including sending in the mind clearing and other military vessels.

(01:36:42):
It will only be the European countries, will not include
the US, and the aim is to give shipping companies
confidence to use the straight after the fighting has ended.
So if they do agree to do this, please do
not see this as undermining Donald Trump. It is doing
what Donald Trump wants them to do, but that is
not how they will portray it, obviously. Eight away from Sea, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
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iHeartRadio powered by news dog Zbi.

Speaker 3 (01:37:08):
Heather, here's a life hack for the conjunctivitis. Lord, imagine
coming in on this conversation. Life hack for the conjunctividis
for our little one was to say to the pharmacy
that it was for your spouse at home, and they
can't say no. Works every time, save so much hassled, Carl,
good on you, Thank you, Heather. The best remedy for
conjunctivitis in kids and brackets also adults. A small amount
of Johnson's Yellow Baby shampoo and a bowl of water

(01:37:30):
rinse out the eyes. Do every couple of hours. Bingo
doesn't hurt and it works, Thank you, Angela.

Speaker 22 (01:37:34):
This does not constitute official health advice.

Speaker 3 (01:37:36):
It is not health advice. Also, the following one, go
to the vet if your kids got head lice. They've
got better drugs there. Feel like you have to say
to the vet, like you don't you have to say
to the vet at that point, this is not for
my dog, it's for my child, just in case, just
in case you end up poisoning your child to death. Anyway,
can I just say shout out to a New Zealand
for it like a half good idea, because a lot

(01:37:58):
of the time I give them so much crap for
just being so ubbishit their jobs right, like fly the plane.
It's not that hard, is it? Well, I mean obviously,
but it's not that hard to get it out on time?

Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (01:38:06):
That's your job and they can't do that. But they've
actually announced something that's half cool today, which is the
sky nest the bunks that they're going to have in economy.
They're going to chart. Apparently everybody's talking about it because
it's a novel idea, right, So it's five hundred bucks
basically for a four hour lie down, so you can
do you only get four hours in it. It starts
at five hundred bucks. If the flight is longer, it
may go up. I think I saw the New York

(01:38:27):
flight could be up to thirteen hundred bucks for four hours,
which is pricey, which is pricey, and actually when you
do the numbers, you might want to just go for
the skycouch, which is where you could buy the three
seats together, lay them down flat, pull up the footrest,
and then you've got yourself a bit of a bed.
And that actually works out at about four hundred bucks.
So it might be cheaper to do that, but for

(01:38:47):
the novelty of offering economy people the chance to have
a lie down, which is like thank the Lord for
a lieown, quite like the.

Speaker 22 (01:38:56):
Idea and sorry by Madonna players out tonight. Madonna. Look,
she's been teasing for ages that she's doing Confessions on
a Dance Floor Part two, a sequel to her her
two thousand and five album Confessions on a Dance Floor,
But apparently it looks like it's pretty imminent because she's
wiped her Instagram account, She's rebranded her official website. There's
got Confissions on a Dance Floor two in coad two

(01:39:18):
everywhere all over those so that's usually in these days.
That means the pop musician's about to put out a
new album, which is great because Confessions on a Dance
Floor is the only Manna album that I actually like.
It's like the dance pop one. It's really good. And
she's got back together with the original producer of that
one to make a new album.

Speaker 3 (01:39:31):
So I can't believe you have an opinion on a
Madonna album like you you slate Mainstress to that beat,
it's so mean about all the people, and then you've
got an opinion on Madonna.

Speaker 12 (01:39:46):
Oh I love it.

Speaker 22 (01:39:46):
That production, it's amazing different.

Speaker 3 (01:39:49):
We think most people do not like this album by Madonna,
but anyway, it's good. From you here you go see
you tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
Than Kerry Hill.

Speaker 1 (01:40:19):
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