Full Show Podcast: 15 July 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
Duplicy Allen Drive with One New Zealand and the power
of satellite mobile news Talk.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Said B.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
This is news Talk, said B, breaking news.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
All right.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
We have a case of bird flu just confirmed in
New Zealand today. It is a single ocean going seabird
of brown school which has been found on po Tony
Beach in Wellington. That's a return to confirmed positive test
for the bird flu. Just at some point during the
course of the day. We're being asked New Zealand is
being asked to be alert for this. We'll get you
across this as the show goes.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
On, Heather Duplicy Allen, all right, So.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
On the show we'll absolutely get you all the detail
we can on that case and what will happen from here.
Paul Spain will talk us through Albanesi's big speech today
on the AI and what to do with the regulation
of it. And then entertainment journalist Carl Pushman on Netflix
possibly buying Letterbox the New Zealand company. B. All right, Now,
given the all of a hostility that we have at
the moment to local body counselors and local councils. I

(01:04):
suspect there will be plenty of support for the idem
about to tell you about, but I would caution against
getting too excited about it because it's a terrible idea. Now,
if you've been following councils around the country lately, you'll
be aware of Benedict On from Dunedin City Council and
Ray Chung from Wellington City Council. Both of them are
making nuisances of themselves, which is why they're in the news.
Benedict for repeatedly receiving council emails and then immediately forwarding

(01:27):
them to multiple journalists and leaking the information. And Ray
Chung forgetting himself to the scene of a missing person
during a flooding event in Wellington when he shouldn't have
been there, and then telling Porky's or it looked a
lot like Porky's afterwards about why he was there. Now
Ben McNulty, the Deputy Mayor of Wellington, is so frustrated
by this nonsense that he's proposing tougher sanctions for counselors
like this to deal with what he calls almost existential

(01:50):
threats to democracy. Because of counselors leaking sensitive information. Now
Ben hasn't said specifically what powers he wants, but whatever
it is that he's proposing, I don't like it because
while I have no love for the antics of Benedict
Ong or Rag Chung or anybody like that, I respect
the fact that both of them are democratically elected. They
are just as entitled to counsel information and council access

(02:12):
as the most well behaved counselors. And if we start
dreaming up ways to punish wayward counselors that we don't like,
we may find those very same rules being used against
good counselors that we do like. If the way would
ones get to a majority. Whatever punishment we can coct
is a punishment that can be weaponized against enemies. There
is a perfectly good punishment already for counselors who misbehave

(02:32):
and push it too far. It is the loss of
office at the next set of elections. Democracy has already
got a built in punishment. We do not need another
one together, do for ce Ellen, And on that subject,
then McNulty will be with us. Just after the half
past five years now, a new treatment center is being
set up to tackle cell phone and screen addictions called

(02:53):
the touch Grass Service. It's opening and all clind It's
going to be the first of its kind in the country.
Francis Russell is the clinical leader for touch Grass and
is with us High frances.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
Hi, Heather, thank you so much for having us mate.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
You are more than welcome. I'm fascinated by the subject.
How do you treat cell phone and screen addiction?

Speaker 4 (03:09):
Look, I think that there's no one size fits all
approached for treating cell phone and screen addiction. But what
we do know is that behavioral addiction is treatable, and
we've been treating it for a long time here at
PGF Services. So touch Grass is a offshoot from PGF Services,
and you know, we're really familiar with treating it here.

(03:29):
I think for young people particularly though, we've got some
different approaches that we might be using as well. So
when it gets to the point end of addiction, what
we might be looking at is things like one to
one counseling, family therapy, group therapy, and also what we
call peer support, which is people who have a lived
experience of screen addiction working with young people too.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Okay, so are you actually going to check people into
a clinic and they stay there for a period of time.
Is that kind of a thing.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
That's a great question. Actually, So we're not a residential service.
We are a community based place where people can come
into but we have a flexible approach so we can
see people online or we can see people in person.
But no, unfortunately, we don't have a residential service for people.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Francis, is this something that's so serious that we need
to actually do this clinically rather than simply I don't know,
doing any of the things that people are currently doing,
like buying a dumb phone or gray scaling your phone,
or just deleting your social medias.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
Look, I think those are all really good approaches, and
I think what we're talking about here is different levels
of harm. So absolutely those approaches are fantastic. And what
we are seeing though, is that parents and young people
are telling us that they're really concerned about their cell
phone use, and we've seen quite widespread impacts in terms
of what's happening for them. So it ranges from things

(04:43):
like mental health problems, sleep issues, even physical health issues
that are arising from cell phone use. So it's quite
holistic and how it's impacting them. So I would say
whilst we as a service have a a like a
layered approach where young people can come onto our website
and get some resources and tools like you're just like
you're talking about yeah, where it might be like more

(05:06):
of a lower level need.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Oh okay, So what you're saying is I've got a
thirteen year old child at sixteen or whatever and that's
spending too much time on the phone. I can come
to you for some low level help. But then I've
also got like somebody who's massively addicted and it's become
a problem, and I can come for that kind of
extreme help as well.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
Exactly, that's makes sense and that's what we want to do.
Is we call that a step care approach. It's really
about matching the level of intervention to the level of
need for that young person in the Afaro.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
How much is it going to cost?

Speaker 4 (05:35):
So at this stage we're currently unfunded, but our aim
is to provide services for everybody that needs it and
it's a priority for us to meet this for all
New Zealanders. So we're committed to creating like a sustainable
solution for New Zealand young people in the Afaro.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah, I'm worried about this. Are you worried about this,
like I'm worried about young people being raised addicted because
you and I I don't know how old you are,
making an assumption you're about my age, but we at
least got through a bit of our lives before we
came up against addictive stuff like this is right there
in their faces.

Speaker 5 (06:05):
So young.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
I agree, And I think what's really concerning for me
is how normalized it is. Yeah, I think what we
really want to see is young people who are not
being impacted by this to the point where it's impacting
their academic performance, their social development, even their job prospects.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Yeah, interesting stuff, Francis, thank you very much, appreciate it.
Francis Russell, clinical leed for touch Grass. I don't want
to be unkind to parents at all, because because I'm
coming from the perspective of somebody who's got kids who
are preschool age, right, so I haven't come up to
that thirteen fourteen, fifteen sixteen, that kind of stuff where
it's really really crunchy. I don't want to be unkind
to parents. But why don't you just say no, Why

(06:44):
don't you just take the bloody phone away from them
and say no. And if they're going to if they're
going to cause a drama and they're going to pack
a tandy and they're going to slam a door, let
them do it and then start removing the start start
giving them consequences and removing treats and rewards. Why don't
we do this? Why do we need to go not
just respect to Francis and because clearly there's a need
for a service like that, but why do we have

(07:04):
to go and find people like that? Why can't we
just parent our kids and just be a bit hard
on them? Please tell me, because this is a genuine
This is not a rhetorical question, This is a genuine
one nine nine two is the text number. By the way,
Hawaiian Airlines are scrapping its flights to New Zealand. If
you have been flying to Hawaii lately, rich guy, They've
only been flying November to April, right, so it's seasonal

(07:25):
and three times a week. But they're gonna cut that
now because fuel costs are too high. Basically, there's not
enough demand for it in New Zealand and the exchange
rate sucks. Air New Zealand is now the only flight
doing the Hawaii you can still get there, but you're
going near in New Zealand, you could sit in those
new Apparently the new business class seats are quite nice,
they say, says the people who've been trying them. Fourteen
past four.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
It's the Heather Topsy Alan Drive Full Show podcast on
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Speaker 3 (07:52):
So we've just managed to get in touch with the
Poultry Industry Association. This is the people who look after
the chicken farmers and the turkey farmers and whatnot in
this country. Because of course, bird flu is a real
threat to that industry. Just kills all the turkeys. Apparently
all the turkeys will die. Well, not not necessarily. I
mean if the turkey farmers are doing the right thing
and you know they've got the buyer protection and whatnot,
the turkeys might not die. But if it gets in there,

(08:13):
the turkeys are dead. So we have a chat to
them after five o'clock. Line them up right now.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Seventeen past four Sports with Generates putting performance first Generate
kenwsaveor dot co dot in there.

Speaker 6 (08:24):
Are you saying there's going to be no dry main
course for Christmas anymore?

Speaker 3 (08:29):
I mean, I'm not going to miss the Turkey. But
the Turkey farmers I feel bad for them because they've
got nothing to sell because they're all dead turkeys anyway.
So yeah, so it is actually quite serious dat we
might get shure we make life of it at all. Listen, seriously,
I was gonna say, the rugby the football this morning,
you get up and watch it? Yeah, yeah, apparently so

(08:51):
our local cafe was running the football this morning.

Speaker 6 (08:53):
It was humming very easy in there. Wow, the immovable
object and the irresistible well, the object didn't move, the
irresistible force to spread to the outside and did nothing
that was sensational by the Spanish, was it? I think
they were wholly out coached the French team and they
had nothing when it really mattered. It was a pretty

(09:15):
poor start for them when you consider that the penalty
that they conceded up to twenty odd minutes, it was
a bit of an unfortunate penalty. But once they got that,
the Spanish were like, this is old school from when
we used to play sport at school. This is my ball,
No you can't play with it, and that's what they did.
Good from there, they hit it up there jumper and
ran away.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Because I was talking to somebody. I think it might
have been Piny actually a couple of weeks back, and
he said, oh, France could be the one they could
take it out.

Speaker 6 (09:42):
I think a lot of people thought that because they
played this beautiful freedom, they had this explosive sense of
how football should be played. It was elaborate, it was
over the top, they were scoring goals, they were it
was the essence of great football, which of course that
never happens when it comes to Major five. You've got
to bore your way into success.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
So have we got the English and the Argi's in
the other semi.

Speaker 6 (10:05):
Yeah, tomorrow morning, seven o'clock.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah, year can get through that one.

Speaker 6 (10:11):
I think I've seen this before that what England they
have endured over the last couple of matches, that they're
battle hardened. I think they know how to get the
job done when it does get to the down and dirty.
But I also think that there's a bit of a
soft spot towards Argentina from hall FIFA. So whether that
is conspiracy theory, I can't back that up with anything.

(10:32):
Now it'll be an explosive match on the rugger.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
We can peck who's going to win a the team's
getting named tomorrow and then we're going to play the
Irish and we're going to win Irish not what they were.

Speaker 6 (10:42):
No and am interested in with this and Ian Jones
is going to join us night to talk about it.
What's the weight of expectation like around the fortress that
is Eden Park. Haven't lost, It's almost like the first
team lose. It's going to be quite a relaxing feeling
around there.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Spring Box, who do it to us?

Speaker 6 (11:01):
Well, we thought that last year and it was a
master class by the All Blacks and then they turned
up the week after and Wellington and showed the exact
opposite of that and it was a train wreck. So
positive and I've sold out. It's Eden Park. It's when
that place is sold out, it absolutely bounces. So should
be good. Wouldn't expect the Iris to provide much. But

(11:21):
this is a very new team. Team comes out tomorrow
and it will have to be their best fifteenth Yes
that's twenty three and see who it really really.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Will be good on you Darcy, thank you mate, look
after yourself. It's Darcy autography. We're back Sports Talk evening
at seven for twenty one. Now there's a lot of
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(11:51):
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Products at ASB, to give us his perspective on the
most recent market movements.

Speaker 7 (11:57):
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(12:19):
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Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah, what'ho investors be thinking about when building portfolios?

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Speaker 1 (13:15):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home it's Heather duplicl and
drive with one New Zealand end of power of satellite
mobile news talks.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
They'd be so.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
The latest out of the Middle East is that Trump
is threatening to start blowing up Iran's power plants and
bridges next week. If Iran doesn't come to a deal,
he says, next week, it gets really bad for them,
because next week comes the power plants, next week comes
the bridges. We're going to knock out all their power plants.
We're going to knock out their bridges unless they get
to the table and negotiate. Now, if you're sitting there
going jeez, that sounds a little familiar. Yes, he said
the same thing in March, and then he didn't do it.

(13:47):
Possibly he didn't do it because it's a war crime.
So we'll see where he goes with that. I mean,
I think, I think, you know, you make a threat
like that first time and you don't do it enough yet,
but second time, I reckon it's hard to call the
bluff on that one. Now, Dan Mitchinson will be with
us out of the US shortly on that. Dan's been
away for a wee bit. He was spamming me last

(14:09):
night on the phone because I think he actually it
looked to me dangerously like he might have met Barry
Mallelow again for the third time, at which point I
would say Barry Manlow probably needs to take out to
get a law passed to protect himself from Dan Mitchinson
at the stage. Anyway, he's going to be with us shortly,
we'll find out what's up. Lots of texts coming through

(14:31):
on the parents and the kids.

Speaker 8 (14:32):
Here.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
That the reason parents don't take the phones off the
kids because they think the kids are princes and princesses.
It's not what the rest of us think. Just tell
the kids what to do. They love it. Heither, they
do love it actually being told what to do, Heather,
it would be inappropriate because your kids have rights. You
can't talk to them with clear authority anymore. Sarcastic Heather
bang on. We have to parent our kids first and foremost.
So many used devices as a babysitting service and then

(14:53):
complain with their kids have their nose and their phones. Hither,
we took our daughter's phone off her. At first she
kicked off and started slamming her bedroom door, so we
took it off. Its hinges. I love that work to treat.
Now at twenty three, she says she's grateful we did that.
Have some balls. I say, that's from Rosie in the cab. Actually,
somebody said that their sister when the parents took the
phone away parents, sister started hitting the parents and grabbing knives,

(15:14):
so we needed professional help with her computer addiction. I'm
starting to think look early days for me because we
haven't even hit five yet, right, mister Mann is four
and a half. But I'm starting to realize it takes
about three days of quite a tough line on something
before it just becomes normal. First day, whoa drama. Second
day still some drama, not as bad. Third day, less drama.

(15:36):
Fourth day, it's like it's like that rule's been there forever,
so you just got to kind of push through that.
But don't you anyway, News is next, and then Dan
the stalker out of the US could.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Have say, cutting through the noise to get the facts.
It's Heather duplicy Ellen drive with One Zealand and the
power of satellite Mobile used talks that'd be okay.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
If you've been interested in what is going on with
the Reserve Bank and that cash proposal, I got an
update if you remember this one. This is the one
from back in February where the Reserve Bank had proposed
that all the banks would have to set up all
of these atm and like branches all over the country
and it was huge numbers something. Various figures have been done,
but it looked like potentially three thousand new branches and
ATMs would have to be set up, and the banks

(16:27):
were never gonna wear that, and they kicked up Mary
Hell over it. Anyway, it looks like the Reserve Bank
has completely softened on this, basically given up. It's been leaked.
The bank is going to establish a high powered working
group with the retail banks to figure out how to
do it in a much better, I suppose acceptable way,
and they're going to have their first meeting next month.
To keep an eye on that. Twenty four away from five.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
It's the world wires on news talks, they'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
Donald Trump's is the US will attack Iranian bridges and
power plants next week if Taran doesn't return to the
negotiating table. He has also hosted the new Iraqi Prime
Minister at the White House and he says the days
of Iran having political influence in Iraq are over.

Speaker 9 (17:04):
They're not going to have that problem anymore because Iran
has been very much destabilized and really their military power
is just a tiny fraction of what it was just
four months ago.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Over the ditch Elbow wants to make Australia a hub
for AI. He's announced plans to fast track the approval
processes for data centers.

Speaker 10 (17:24):
Here is the expansion of AI requires a physical material footprint.
It needs our land and energy and computing power to operate.
That means we can set the terms, We can determine
AI's social license, but we have to do it now.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
And finally, a three second jingle from an ad for
salt Salty Table Salt has become the most popular song
on karaoke machines in Japan. Like that's it. That's the jingle,
that's the whole jingle. The jingle is from a long
running ad and very below ad campaign in Japan. It
was only recently added to karaoke machines and punters loving it.

(18:10):
And here it is again if you would like to
sing along.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, Peace of mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
For danvers Us correspondent, Hello Dan, Hello there, Heather.

Speaker 11 (18:29):
How are you?

Speaker 3 (18:30):
I'm very well? Did you enjoy that? Oh no, you've
seen it live about five hundred times now, yeah, yeah,
about five hundred. Take now, when you sent me the
picture of Barry Manilow. Was that was that? Did you
meet stalk him again? Or was that him on stage?

Speaker 11 (18:43):
No? That was him on stage. I had a front
row center seats.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
Again, did he see you and think? Geez, that's that guy.
I've met him a bunch of times. There he is again.

Speaker 11 (18:52):
Yeah, you know, fist bump, all that good stuff.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Right.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
No, you didn't for stump him, did you? Did you?

Speaker 11 (18:58):
I'm not going to answer that now the way you're
asking me that.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Oh, I'm worried about you, Dan. I mean, there's fandom
and then there's fandom. Did you notice in the picture
that you sent me though, like he's looking good? Ah,
but his shade of makeup is a little off, so
it is, yes, but orange on the face, isn't it?

Speaker 11 (19:14):
It is with the lights, it's not very flattering because
then if you meet him in person, I mean, he
just looks like you know, any one of us, But
under underneath the lights he looks like President Trump a
little bit.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
So yeah, yeah, I can see that. Was it a
good show though?

Speaker 11 (19:25):
It was fantastic?

Speaker 1 (19:27):
It was great.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
Do you know any of his other songs?

Speaker 11 (19:30):
Ah? Oh, I know, I mean I write the songs.
One of my favorite songs. It's first forty five I
ever owned.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
Yeah, so you know, two of his son But that
but that.

Speaker 11 (19:39):
Being said, you know, the night before I went to
see Kenny Chesney as well, so I got a little
bit of the old and a little bit of the news.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Ah yeah, okay. And what you're trying to do right
now is tell us that you are a little bit cool.
You're still going to see new music as well. I
hear what you're saying.

Speaker 11 (19:51):
Hey, Bruno Mars on the way in September. Thank you.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Yeah, Like, I like where you're going with this now,
Donald Trump, what's going on? What's he doing with the run?
What's the end game?

Speaker 11 (20:01):
Well, you know, I don't know if there isn't end game.
I mean, you know, this was supposed to be over
this war, and you know he had set originally in
a week, but here we are into month five right now,
and at this point, Heather, I think the most likely
ending is going to be a non ending. And you
have to believe that that Trump is thinking about the
midterms right now and the higher gas prices that's not
going to get Republicans re elected in November. And then

(20:23):
there's concerned about more soldiers getting attacks. So what do
you do in a situation like this if you're Donald Trump,
well you might try to end the whole thing. I
think without reaching an agreement, an official agreement, You're going
to let things settle down, go into the background. You'll
claim victory. And I think we can say with certainty
that this is a president who will always claim a
win and never admit defeats. So he and his advisors

(20:43):
are going to spin this any way they can to
look like a win for the American people.

Speaker 8 (20:47):
I think.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
I mean, the fact that that they've indicated that this
opens the sixty day window at least gives them. I mean,
it indicates that he may well be going at this
all the way through to September potentially.

Speaker 11 (20:58):
Well potentially, yeah, I mean, I mean, and look at
how he's flip flopped. I think this was the third time. Yesterday,
you know, he announced that all the vessels going through
the straight Orform News would be having to pay a
twenty percent fee for providing security, and then twenty four
later as that was off the table. So now it's
all about trade and investment deals, and I think that's
what he's going to be trying to push through the
next few weeks.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Okay, what is going on with the Mitch McConnell photo
and why people worried about it.

Speaker 11 (21:24):
Well, a lot of people are thinking that this is AI.
Republicans were trying to keep this quiet. The buzz was
so a special election wouldn't be called before the midterms
of November, so his office, McConnell's office released this picture
that everybody's seen of McConnell and his wife and McConnell's
holding the current newspaper. Problem is nobody thinks it's real

(21:44):
because on social media they're saying, well, look at the
text of the newspaper, it's all fuzzy, kind of AI generated,
it's blurry and if he's in the hospital, wise there
no IV connected to him or a monitor. Good point.
But they've got AI specialists in right now and saying,
you know what, this would be too advanced even for
AI right now looking at wrinkles and sheets and McConnell himself,

(22:06):
So they don't believe the photo is fake. But I think,
I mean, even the most hard core evidence, you know,
with our eyes these days, I mean, we're still saying
all that can't be real, even when it is, and
I think AI is making it harder and harder to
believe what we see like.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
A ransom photo, Isn't it? With the days.

Speaker 12 (22:23):
Anyway?

Speaker 3 (22:24):
Dan, thanks very much, appreciate to look up to yourself.
Dan Mitchinson, US correspondent, eighteen away from five.

Speaker 13 (22:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
So this the Albin Easy thing is fascinating because he's
done this big speech on aar Albin Easy, can I
just say on and let me tell you the detail
and then I'll give you a think my reckons on it.
So it's he's running out of what is the world
first policy on AI. He wants to fast track the
data centers, wants to come up with some regulations for
OSSI artists to have greater copyright protection potentially and for
it not to be scraped by AI and Da Da

(22:52):
Da and all of it. It's all very working groupy.
It's all very sort of like this is kind of
we're going to set up an office and we're going
to deal with this stuff, which is fine, you can
do that. But I'm getting real strong just sinder vibes
from him because this is the kind of state, you know,
this kind of I'm getting the vibes that he's trying
stuff that no one else has tried in the whole
wide world, and we can all look at and go,

(23:12):
it's not gonna work, bro, You're not going to be
able to have the AI is going to scrape like
good luck, good luck trying to protect Australian artists when
nobody else has been able to protect their artists. It's
got the same kind of like airy fairing nonsense vibes
that Jacinda had with the Paris the Paris Accord, remember
which she was gonna take all the extremism and all
the extreme videos off the internet and what do we say, Well,

(23:34):
oh look that's still on there. A lot of surprise anyway,
and the working group stuff. So anyway, we'll talk to
Paul Spain of Guerrilla Technologies. He's going to be with
ourself to five and tell me whether he's got better
better feels about this, whether he thinks it might work
or not. You tried Wordle today, by the way, they
said to me when I got it. Have you done
it yet? Have you done it?

Speaker 14 (23:52):
No?

Speaker 3 (23:52):
Yeah, Kevin has Kevin the producer hasn't done it yet. Kevin,
You're still stuck on three. He doesn't Wordle is not
a topic of conversation in our office. We don't come
in and say I had you, how do you find
that word all today? It's just not something that happens.
And I didn't know that we had all these secret
wordle people sitting around me who were obviously just quietly

(24:12):
feeding their little private habits. Now I walked in today,
Kevin the producer goes, oh my gosh, if we tried
word well, it's hideous. I'm stuck on three. Nobody in
the family has been able to do it, and so
then everybody pipes up there, Oh it took me six. Oh,
it took me five. So I sat there. I got
it in five. It was a bit of I would
argue it's not a word. I would argue that that
is cheeky from wordll because it's not a word. And

(24:32):
you'll know what I mean if you've done it, and
I'm not going to ruin it for you if you haven't.
I got in five. Georgia, who's a genius, got in six.
So I'm stoked because I'm obviously more of a genius.
No I'm not. This is no indicase, she's actually really smart.
Emma got it in six. Aunts who we constantly feel
like we need to take in for rain man checks.
Got it in three, well done, Oh one member of

(24:57):
the family now has it in four. Oh, thank god,
because I was starting to get worried. I thought, oh no,
here we go the fact that what's going to happen
if they don't get the word or anyway, go and
do the word or obviously don't do it if you're
in the car. But it's challenging. You've been warned very
sopers next sixteen away from five.

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Speaker 3 (25:18):
Right, Just a reminder, we've got the Poultry Industry Association
after five on the first case of bird flu in
the country. Thirteen away from five and Barry Soapers with
us Alo Barry Good afternoon, Heather, poll of polls is out.
Where are you sitting on the Opportunity Party?

Speaker 11 (25:29):
Now?

Speaker 12 (25:30):
Where am I sitting?

Speaker 3 (25:31):
Like chances that they're in well, it's you.

Speaker 12 (25:35):
Know, it's right nudging five percent. I've seen parties almost
that close before the Christian Party in twenty fourteen with
Colin Craig. They got just over four percent on the
day so and they would have probably cracked the five
percent if they didn't have a bit of a breakdown
at the end of the campaign, which is what they did.

(25:56):
But yeah, look it's a bit of a me creation
in a way as well. The more we talk about it,
the more people are aware of the Opportunity Party. So
you know, if you look at the new model that's
come out from the Pole of Polls, and they run
all the polls through this, including the one yesterday on

(26:17):
are n Z, the Reid Research poll, the model predicts
now sixty two point nine percent is the probability that
the current coalition would be returned. Now, you know, that's
been dropping fairly consistently, so it's becoming closer.

Speaker 6 (26:34):
And when you.

Speaker 12 (26:35):
Look at the Opportunity Party, if you look at the
possibility of the three coalition partners along with the Opportunity Party,
you've got an eighty eight point one percent chance of
it being returned. But then the Opportunity Party, even though
they've said in the past that they would go with
either party, depending on you know, how they feel after

(26:57):
the public have had the essay, I would doubt very
much whether they could sell themselves, not just to the
National Party, but at the moment if you look at
their policies, they would be a hard sell all round.
If they're amenable for a bit of negotiation, which is
what the Coalition deal is all about, then maybe there

(27:21):
could be a bit of I don't know.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
They wouldn't get much out of the coalition, right, and
they made it clear they want to get some policy whensite.
It's probably not gonna happen.

Speaker 6 (27:28):
Probably not.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
Ye's probably not gonna happen, all right, Paul Henry.

Speaker 6 (27:31):
Oh, well, it's been interesting.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
I had to come up, didn't it.

Speaker 12 (27:34):
Well, it's annoyed me because you know, it's as though
it's the politics of envy. If a person's wealthy, then
they can have no understanding, any understanding of someone that's
struggling to make ends meet. And you'll remember one of
the first questions and it always annoyed me, probably annoyed

(27:54):
me more for the way Chris Luxon answered it. When
he became Prime minister. He was asked why he needed
seven properties. Now, the answer to that would be probably
fairly obvious that if you've been in a high paying
job that he had several million dollars a year as
CEO of there in New Zealand, if he didn't have

(28:15):
more than one property, you'd be asking why not. But
now that Paul Henry has put his hand up for act,
he was quizzed on TV three last night about how
on earth could he possibly understand traveling around on a
super yacht and as rich list a wife, Diane Foreman,
how could they relate to those who were struggling to

(28:36):
spend He was put it to him ten bucks on
petrol or food put food on the table. His answer
is exactly what it should have been.

Speaker 15 (28:45):
I would like to think that what I achieved, and
you have to remember that both my wife and I
didn't start off with money, what we have achieved should
be aspirational. I want that to be much easier for
everybody to achieve, everyone to have the kind of upbringing
that I had, because I was living in a country
that actually inspired success, not a country that frowned on success.

Speaker 12 (29:10):
And that's what New Zealand tends to do. We don't
celebrate we celebrate people on the sporting field, but anybody
that gets onto the rich list list, then they are
always well, not always, but they're not hailed as being
doing very much for society, and yet they are the
people that actually are the part the cogs and the

(29:31):
engine room of what runs the.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
Pable take their taxes, but we won't do much.

Speaker 12 (29:35):
Well, that's right, all right.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
What's going on with Nationals martyr candidate for te time.

Speaker 12 (29:39):
Well, it's interesting, isn't it that she has really come
up against a bit of a difficulty being the candidate
there because she's running against Debi. I rewad pack up.
But she's been questioned on whether how she can live
with some of National's policies, and one of them as

(30:00):
the Maldi wards, and of course they voted on those
last year. She is a counselor on a Maldi ward
herself and next election she'll be out of a job
because they voted against her and rung Atike which is
where she's stationed. So now she's put her hand up
for politics.

Speaker 6 (30:17):
But there are many aspects.

Speaker 12 (30:20):
Of the National policy platform that she is finding difficult
I think to reckon with if you like, and you
look at a number of them. The referendum was one,
but the move to disestablish the Maldi Health Authority require

(30:40):
that English names go before Maldi ones for government departments
as well as the Well, she's in the right party,
she's in the National Party, so no doubt she will
want she'll have an argument, but it does make it
rather uncomfortown.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
Thanks very much, Bary so Per senior political Correspondence. Even
away from five, It's the.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
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Speaker 16 (31:17):
Till pured Lyons is back whethers he was chief economic
advisor to Boris Johnson, Class half full. If it's a
problem and the bombing continues, the strait in its state
won't be as bad this time as it was last time.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Is that fear or not?

Speaker 17 (31:31):
They're in the sense that we've had four months or
so for economies and markets to adjust back. At the
end of February when the war began, there were worries
about the US and about the globe economy. Since then,
there's been a lot more resilience shown in terms of
the data, so there's more confidence that the world economy,
including the US, can cope with a setback back.

Speaker 16 (31:51):
Tomorrow at six am, The Mic Hosking Breakfast with a
Vida News Talk Zibby.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
Yeah, the polease, no unnecessary hysteria about the bood flu.
It's been around for a long long time. The only
difference is the hype hasn't the response to COVID taught
you anything, Paul. That is an absolutely fair point, because,
of course, while there is a bird that has been found,
presumably it sounds like dead on the beach in Potni,
that doesn't mean that bird's being necessarily anywhere near obviously
poultry farms or whatever. So you know what is slightly

(32:18):
alarming about it if you kind of didn't think the
thrill all ready was that a bird was able to
make it here from South Australia presumably or New South Wales,
which obviously was always a risk. Anyway, we'll have a
chat to the Poultry Industry Association after five o'clock about that.
Tell you what today today, If you love your spirits,
today's a special day for you. Today's the day that
the Spirit's Awards are under underway and Wellington they're doing

(32:40):
the judging. That's a judge. That's a job I could do.
That's a job. I wouldn't be like, oh no, I
don't want to do that job. I'd say yep, I'd
be into that. They reckon that what they're excited about
this year is they have a record number of entries.
So we are getting into the spirits in the big way. Now,
if you listen to the show on the regular, you
know I'm all about the spirits. So because personally, I mean,

(33:01):
maybe it's just me, but I don't find it as
intoxicating as wine. So I'm like, don't offer me a
glass of wine. I don't want to get absolutely smashed
with you. I'm not interested in smelling like like sour
wine breath yuck. Give me a glass of like I've
turned into my grandmother whiskey with soda. I what an
old person I am. Anyway, they're having a fantastic job,

(33:22):
the judges. So we're gonna have a chat to one
of the guys who's organizing it. He will be with
us in about twenty minutes time. But as I say,
bird flu and what the implications are for our poultry industry.
Next newstalg ZIB.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
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Speaker 12 (33:57):
ZIB right, good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
As we told you the start of the program, the
first case of bird flu has been detected in New
Zealand and infected seabird has been found on for Tony
Beach in Wellington. Poultry Industry Association Executive Director Fiona mcmillaner's
with us. Now, Hi, Fiona, Hey ether a scale of
one to ten. How worried are you?

Speaker 11 (34:17):
Me?

Speaker 18 (34:17):
Personally? Trying to avoid being worried, I'm being watchful. I'm
a scale of one to ten.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
Five, Okay, why only five? Given what this can do?
Why only five?

Speaker 11 (34:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (34:28):
You're right, what it can do is devastating, but only
five because we've been preparing for this for quite some time.
So in a sense this detection doesn't change anything. We've
done the work on biosecurity. We're going to keep doing
the work on biosecurity, so that process just has to continue, right.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
And also it's worth us not panicking, right because it
is one bird and it doesn't necessarily mean the bird
has got anywhere near any chickens.

Speaker 18 (34:53):
You're exactly right. And it's a pelagic bird, you know,
the type of bird that mostly lives its life at sea.
So it's kind of a to our shores.

Speaker 11 (35:01):
Now.

Speaker 18 (35:01):
Obviously, MPI and DOC will be keeping a close eye
on the situation, and I think this is where the
public can be really helpful because these sorts of detections
will likely come from members of the public who are
watchful and aware of what to look for. So if
they're out there and they see seck birds or groups
of dead birds, you know, follow mpi's advice. You're doing

(35:23):
everyone a favor by reporting that sort of thing, because
you know, by taking on that role, everyone can help
us keep it out of poultry.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Yeah, last time I saw you, we actually got talking
about this and you told me the industry's actually been
prepared for quite a bit, right, So there is So
when it does potentially arrive in the country, do you
expect it's not going to have as much of an
impact here as people may fear.

Speaker 18 (35:49):
Oh, I think I'd be very brave or very foolish
to say that. I've been comparing it to preparing for
a school exam. You can do all the work, you
can study really hard, but you still don't know what's
going to happen when exam season hurts. Well, it's exam
season now in a way, isn't it, Because we've had
our first detection, so we really do have to ramp
up our readiness, check for gaps, think about what we

(36:11):
can do better and make sure we're all on stand by.
But I am really proud of the work I've seen
the industry do so far, so I think, you know,
a lot of good thought has gone into this. We
have businesses in New Zealand that have looked over seas
and seen what's happened in the UK and they've learnt
from that, so that's the good news. Of course, you

(36:31):
can never perfectly predict things like this, right, so we
just need to stay alert and be ready to respond
when the next stage is reached.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Okay, fionda Hey, thanks very much, appreciate a best of
luck with dealing with this. Is Fiona McMillan, Poultry Industry
Association Executive Director, coming up ten past.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Five together duper Cela.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
So the Aussie government has outlined a world first AI policy.
They want to fast track new data centers, give ossie
artists created protection over their work and protect them from
AI scraping. Paul Spain is the CEO and a futurist
at guerrilla technology and with.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Us high Paul Hi Hannah.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
What are they predominantly worried about here? What do you
get from Albanezy's speech? Is it loss of jobs or
loss of copyright?

Speaker 7 (37:10):
Look, I think the copyright side they're really they're really
leaning into. And this is partly because it has a
has a financial impact, and yeah, that that ultimately puts
dobs at risk.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Okay, so how do you actually stop this from happening? Like,
what are the regulations they can come up with?

Speaker 7 (37:30):
Well, yeah, I mean they haven't really given a lot
of detail at the stage, so it's going to be
interesting to see how it plays out. But I think
they're wanting to have more control over the big global
AI players as it comes to Australian created content, and

(37:51):
they're going to really you know, put their foot down
on on that basis. And you know, I guess we
think of all sorts of things are generated by AI.
But if you know, for instance, look at music, what
they're not going to probably not going to tolerate is
music that is is too obvious as a ripoff of
Australia music. And we would see that across in a

(38:13):
whole range of areas when it comes to when it
comes to Ai Paul.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Let's say, let's say Ai makes a song and it
sounds a hell of a lot like do the locomotion?
What's Albaneze going to do about it?

Speaker 7 (38:27):
Well, I mean when it comes down to individual cases,
you know, I don't know how that will actually play out.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Can you actually do that?

Speaker 8 (38:35):
Right?

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Is it even possible?

Speaker 3 (38:37):
Exactly? Is this not the same thing as the B
s A in New Zealand trying to police the internet
When it comes to the Internet, it's so bloody heart
to do this stuff, and Albanize is probably just virtue signaling.

Speaker 19 (38:48):
Well that that could be the case. I guess, you know,
it will come down to what what they actually, you know,
come come up with.

Speaker 7 (38:54):
Because we've really got the you know, the political announcement
today without really seeing the full detail of how this
will play out.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
What do you make though of the data centers? That's fascinating.
So they want to fast track the data centers, but
they want to restrict the water use. What's going on there?

Speaker 8 (39:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (39:09):
Well, I think this is one of the concerns that
people that are having.

Speaker 7 (39:14):
You know, we've seen a lot of pushback in the
US against data centers. You know, AI data centers appearing
in different regions because it uses up a lot of
water and power, and so as there's that requirement on
the companies that are establishing the data centers to actually
sort the power, sort the water so it doesn't push

(39:37):
up local prices and have an impact. You know, That's
something I think then it becomes a net positive to
have these data centers coming into the country.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Paul, Thanks very much, Always appreciate your expertise. Paul Spain,
Guerrilla Technology CEO and futurist keV do for C Allen keV,
how are you going? How's go? And how's producer? keV going?
With the word le has he got it open?

Speaker 8 (39:59):
On phone?

Speaker 3 (40:01):
No, he hasn't got it open.

Speaker 5 (40:02):
I just got to shake the head on that one.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
No, he hasn't got still hasn't got it. He's freaking
out in the news break he shouted at me. He shouted,
I still haven't got it. I said, you're not going
to He's on three. I said, you're not going to
get it in four, mate, We've discussed this. It's not
a word. You're not getting it in four. He said,
I have to get it in four because she and
the family has got it in form and she's never
beat me before. I said, today's the day. Then about
two seconds later he shouted, my mom just got it.

(40:24):
He's panicking, panicking. You're not getting it in four, bro,
you might get it in five, but I reckon it's
more like a six anyway. This is what So everybody
thinks that that that, you know, the producers do all
the hard work on the show, it's not. This is
this is real life proof that that's not what happens.
He's just sitting there whordling. He's sitting there whordling or
show long answers doing all the hard work, is pressing

(40:46):
all the buttons and stuff, shouting at people. I'm just
sitting here talking to you. Answer, is carrying the can
producer keV doing nothing. Hey that dog yesterday Apparently it
was as handler who would attack. This is the one
that I told you about. It was in Central Hastings
at the American Staffordshire Pitbull Cross. The a nice dog
not roaming at the time of the attack, which is

(41:06):
nice to hear, so that's a plus side. But it
did attack its person. Reason it attack that there may
have been some commotion with something in the back of
you time. I don't know, maybe another dog or whatever. Apparently,
and this is I think a reality check for people
when it comes to dog attacks, right because you think
I'll be able to handle that. Apparently the police officers
struggled to bring the dog under control. There were a

(41:27):
couple of them had to deal with it. They were
tasering the dog multiple times. The dog just kept getting
up quarter past. Have you noticed this? BYD has only
been in New Zealand since twenty twenty two, but something
interesting has happened. Do me if I have a jump
on trade me right now. Check out the used cars.
A four year old at three from BYD is still
fetching up to forty five grand new runout models forty nine,

(41:51):
nine hundred and ninety dollars. Everyone said evs would tank
on resale, and it turns out not these ones. That
is not the case for BYD a couple of reasons. First,
it's the blade battery. We're hearing about Uber's clocking over
six hundred thousand kilometers in the battery health is still
sitting at ninety five percent. Honestly, that battery might actually
outlast that car. Second, BYD sends out over the air

(42:12):
updates just like you get on your phone, so the
car actually gets better after you've bought it. And then
third BYD's got its own panel repair networks so the
repairs stay up to the factory standard. BD dealers are
after some really good used stock and with five more
BYD models launching before the end of the year, there
has never been a better time to upgrade. If you
want to know what your vehicle is worth, head over

(42:32):
to BYD Auto dot co dot Nz and find your
nearest d it. Nat Heather there in McNulty, Deputy Mayor
of Wellington, be with us after half past five talk
us through these new rules. He wants to be able
to deal with the wayward ones like Ray Chung and
Benedict Dong. Right now it's nineteen past five. Now it's
a big day today for the New Zealand distillers. The
Spirit's Awards for the year for twenty twenty six are

(42:53):
being judged in Wellington today and tomorrow. Robert Brewer is
the New Zealand Spirits CEO and he's with us.

Speaker 20 (42:59):
Hi Robert here, gooday, hell are you?

Speaker 3 (43:01):
I'm very well? Thank you? Now how do you explain
to me that there is a record number of entries
this year.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Well, the.

Speaker 20 (43:09):
We're just as pleased and surprise, we've got four hundred
and eighty eight and that's a remarkable number of entries
given the pressure that everybody's under at the moment, and
so we've gratefully received all those entries and the judges
are now quietly working their way through them.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
What are your categories you do? You've got gin, You've
got whiskey, you got tequila, yep.

Speaker 20 (43:33):
Yeah, all the classics as you've named, and we also
have a whole lot the range of other different awards
that we've added as we've added in over the years,
because you've sort of got to keep innovating and keeping
up with the time. So we've got like a design
and packaging award, merging products.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
We even go and.

Speaker 20 (43:50):
Judge best cocktail bars, bartenders. We do some pairing with
our key sponsor's Fever Tree, so we do a Gin
and Tonic Pairing Award, etc. And they just all keep
on growing and growing every year.

Speaker 11 (44:05):
Do you have to do it?

Speaker 3 (44:06):
I mean, have you put your hand up and said, yeah,
I'll do the cocktail bars, because I would.

Speaker 20 (44:09):
No, I keep well away because I run Spirits New
Zealand and my members are part of the entries. I've
sort of got to keep well back pity, but we've
got But you're not kidding, that's for sure. I went
down there today and had to look around and went, oh,
my goodness, because you stand out the back. So you
imagine you've got twenty twenty four judges and they're each

(44:30):
judging flights with about six and you go out the
back and it's all done blind tasting and at the
back of the ega beavers pouring the next flights, and
all you see in front of you are these beautiful
liquids which you can't touch.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
No, no, not until obviously they've been tested, in which
case get right in there.

Speaker 12 (44:47):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
So we were talking about this today. Kevin, the producer,
he's like, he's not cool anymore. So he said to me,
our Gin's the thing nowadays. I said, gin was the
thing five years ago. And then ants popped up and said, well,
maybe it's tequila, that's the thing. I said, I think
it might be a cocktail, that's the thing. What is
the thing?

Speaker 20 (45:03):
Well, the thing has been Gin, I mean Gin has
been has been like and you're quite right, the renaissance
and gin happened about five or six, eight years ago.
It's still very, very strong, and it's the basis on
which the New Zealand industry is built. But globally, globally,
tequila is showing strong. But there's no doubt hither. You're

(45:24):
right that the thing that has underwritten and continues to
support the global spirits industry in here in New Zealand
is the cocktail. New Zealanders love cocktails and and you know,
all you've got to do is go online. All you've
got to do is go to a party or anything
like that, and people start, you start mentioning cocktails, and
people start saying, when I make this, and.

Speaker 8 (45:45):
I make that.

Speaker 20 (45:46):
My favorite favorite is a dry gen Martini.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
I will tell you that classy.

Speaker 6 (45:51):
I can't go past it.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Yeah, I can't go You're a classy man, Robert, Thank
you for that. Appreciated and good luck with the awards.
That's Robert Brewer, New Zealand Spirits Cee. I reckon a
Martini Martinez A good good first go when you get
to the restaurant, isn't it that? Or in Agronie, I've
got a friend who slams the Groni's like, seriously, she
will just go one Ncgroni two. She doesn't even seem
drunk after that. I'm like, I maximum two. She just

(46:14):
goes one after the other. Anyway, I love a Negroni two.

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Speaker 3 (46:35):
Check out any Anthony mcbuldain making a Negroni on YouTube.
You don't have to tell me twice. I'll be doing that.
Five twenty five. Listen yesterday, all the chat about Paul
Henry was how good he could be for Act's vote.
But I think it's starting to dawn on people, myself included,
just how much of a problem Paul Henry could be
for National's vote. Audrey Young has written a piece for
The Herald this afternoon suggesting that Chris Luxen's leadership may

(46:56):
come up again, maybe because of Paul Henry, because, as
she's says, Paul's candidacy could be a seismic political event,
and she compares it to the impact that matheia two
days benefit fraud admission had on the Labour Party in
twenty seventeen. Labour's far left voters loved what Matteria said,
so they flocked over to the Greens. The Greens went
up four percent, Labour fell to twenty four percent. The
Labour caucus, which had been loyal to Andrew Little, shifted

(47:19):
and Jacinda became the Prime Minister, the leader and then
the Prime Minister. Now Audrey's not explicitly predicting that this
is going to happen to Luxon and nor am I,
but I will point out to you that Paul Henry
is a very unique problem for National because he is
a one man representation of what is happening to National.
He was a National man. He stood for National in
nineteen ninety nine, and then he fell out of love

(47:41):
with National because National, he says, is enormously disappointing to him.
They haven't dealt with the co governance stuff that they
said they would. Chris Luxen isn't connecting with voters. Polling
around twenty nine to thirty percent is not acceptable, he says,
and so like many of National's voters, he's gone off
to one of the smaller parties around National in his case,
act is what a lot of National voters I would

(48:02):
imagine wish Luxon was sure of himself, enthusiastic about New zealand,
confident in the position that he holds, unashamed of the
views that he holds, a really great communicator. Having him
in the election I think is only going to show
up Chris Luxeon's weakness is much more. And what's worse
for National is that Paul is using his communication skills
to explain very clearly and very effectively what is wrong

(48:24):
with National.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Heather duper c Ellen, if you were listening to.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
The show last night, you might have caught me talking
about he can trying to rush through the signing of
that agreement with Naitahu, the Manifucker Hornet or Hair agreement,
and they were trying to do it in a hurry
in a week, because it's just the latest example of
a council trying to rush something through before the RAMA
laws coming and the RMA laws are going to stop
this happening. If you've got an update for you, here's
the update.

Speaker 21 (48:46):
I just have to give a notice that before proceeding
with the agenda that the Chief Executive has advised that
Agenda Item eight point two, then Agreement COPAKA has been
with drawn from today's gender and so Item eight point
two is therefore withdrawn.

Speaker 13 (49:05):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
So they were trying to do it, they were going
to try and do it in a rush in a week.
Federated Farmers sent out a press release yesterday going hey, guys,
heads up, look at what e Can's trying to do
in a week, and the very next day they withdraw it.
Does that look sneaky and suspicious to you, because yeah
it does to me. So, oh he got it? How
many did you get it in? How many did you
get it in? Four?

Speaker 11 (49:27):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (49:27):
You're a dick, he got it in four. Anyway, well
done at yay go you. I'm really glad you spent
the program time doing that. Kevin the producer got on
your mate. Anyway, listen back to the actual thing that
we were talking about while he was playing wordle a Can.
I'm suspicious of this. So we're putting a call to ECAM.
We said, come on the show. They said, maybe they'll
come on tomorrow. If they don't come on, I'm getting

(49:49):
on Simon Watts or Chris Bishop and We're going to
deal with this stuff tomorrow News Talk ZBI.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Here what matters the facts over the noise. It's Heather
duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand and the power
of satellite mobile news talks.

Speaker 22 (50:06):
That'd be.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
It.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Yeah, Paul Henry is going to cause major jocketch to national.
The media are going to seize on every word he
says at the expense of national and labor unless he
inflicts foot and mouth disease, bang on the This is
the thing that happens in campaigns, right, The media get
fixated on a thing, so you have to get the
media to be fixated on you. So media were fixated
on Peter Dunn with his common sense and his worm

(50:32):
and then the media that was obviously many many elections ago.
This campaign, the media has been fixated on opportunity. But
now the media might actually become fixated on Paul Henry.
Let's see how this goes. By the way, have you
heard of a social media app made here in New
Zealand called letterboxed. It's a thing where you can tell
other people if you're not into it, you're not into it,
but people who are into it are really into it.
You can tell each other. You could you could tell

(50:53):
other people what your favorite movies are, like you can
go in there look at what celebrities are watching and
stuff like that. Made in New Zealand about to sell
to Netflix apparently for two hundred and fifty million US dollars.
So I get you cross that after six with Entertainment
Report Carl Pushman Huddle standing by it's twenty three away
from six. Now let's have a chat about badly behaving counselors.
Wellington's Deputy mayor wants more power to deal with these counselors.

(51:14):
He's pointed to the case of the Dunedin City councilor
Benedict On, who repeatedly leaks information, and Ben McNulty of
Wellington says this creates almost existential threats to democracy. Bends
with us. Now, Hi, Ben good evening, either, what powers
do you want? Like, what do you want to be
able to do to someone like Benedict.

Speaker 5 (51:33):
Well at the moment?

Speaker 13 (51:34):
Hither the problem is that short of committing a criminal
offense that puts you into prison for two years away,
the powers that are in the current model are wetbus
tickets essentially, so a range of things is what I've floated,
you might want to look at something like being able
to doc pay, being able to suspend them from attending
council meetings. In the absolute extreme, and I'm not saying
Bena doctor Hung has passed us pay yet, but in

(51:55):
the accident extreme, you may want to look at where
the counselor's have the ability to remove someone from you know,
council through a substantive majority vote. But those are the
kinds of tools on the table that as we're going
for amalgamation, the government's legislating at the moment changes we
should ever think about, well, what makes democracy work so
that you can hold your public officials to account?

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Okay, how badly behaved would you have to be to
be removed from council?

Speaker 13 (52:20):
I would argue, if you do something in the criminal
space that gets you time in prison, you've probably made
a compelling case to at least consider it. It's a
high bar, right, it has to be a high bar.
This is democracy. People have put you into office for
really good reason. But at the moment, someone could commit
an assault, a sexual kind of crime, anything like that,
and if it's less than two years, they remain. As

(52:41):
you're electric cool I just don't think get caught.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
Right fair enough on the crime front.

Speaker 5 (52:45):
So we just drop that.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
We drop that bar right down where it we save.
That there's any kind of incarceration, you're off council. Yep, Okay,
what else? See what other censures do you think are necessary?
It would be in the case of leaking information that
you would doc the pain.

Speaker 13 (53:01):
Well, this is the case, fair there are behaviors there.
If you did in the private sector, you'd be out
on your backside right away. For instance, in this council.
In the previous training, I've been around long enough to
see some of the worst applications of behavior. When we
were looking at negotiating the sludge plant, as council, we
had to sign off on what our price range was.
We were willing to do two hundred three hundred MILI.

(53:22):
That information was leaked into public domain immediately the private
sector knew our willingness to pay was at the three
hundred million end.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Boom.

Speaker 13 (53:28):
Rate payers can't give that prison for anything less than
three hundred million. I can't say heitherol someone on council
was my understanding.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
So that implication sounds a little here, say, are you
sure that somebody on council leaked it, Yes, okay.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Who was it?

Speaker 13 (53:47):
Then I'm not going to say on this one. That's
bringing up old things in the past. But what I'm
saying is if you did that in a private sector role,
I would have no clue. But if you did that
in a private sector role, Heather, you'd be fired. The
public there's no accountability.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
I understand that, and I don't like that either, that
that happened because basically it would have blown open the
ability to negotiate. It was no longer available to the council.
But it's an elected counselor. You can't just take away
people who are elected. It's democracy, no.

Speaker 13 (54:15):
And that's why I'm talking about. If you're going to
talk about removal, that has to be an incredibly high bar,
which I'm saying would be in the criminal but there's
a whole golf of things that we don't have in there.
When Code of conducts have happened that before you know,
the reading Code of Conduct, it was weaponized and last
ten the mayor's appoint that process. So whether you have
an independent standards body and they're the ones that manage
these kinds of incidents, there's a whole sort of golf

(54:36):
is what I'm talking about, of gray area of space
where right now the mayor has a wetbus ticket or
you commits.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
But as it should be, then as it should be,
because as much as I don't like the behavior of
Ray Jung or Benedict Dong, the fact is the mayor
is just elected, like Ray is elected, like Benedict is elected,
and the mayor should not be able to dock the
pay of an elected member.

Speaker 13 (54:56):
What do you think about a recall election?

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Though?

Speaker 5 (54:58):
So should because then this is the spectrum of things.

Speaker 8 (55:02):
Right, no.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
Difference the different I love your idea, but the difference
is where the power lies. Right, So you've got to
put the power in the hands of the people, of
the voters. You can't put the power in the hands
of other counselors who can weaponize that power against their
council enemies.

Speaker 13 (55:19):
No, that's a totally fair thing. And again that's why
I get back to this really high bar. I mean,
I don't you know, I'm not just fixating on the
ability that you can remove a single counselor for a
voted that's the answer to everything I'm talking about arrange here,
but something like a recall election that puts things into
the public. The key thing is the government wants to
improve local government in New Zealand. That's why we're doing
this amalgamation. So while you're going through that, why wouldn't

(55:39):
you have a discussion about, well, how can you actually
improve local government in terms of making it better for
public being able to hold people in account. And the
recall election could be part of that. Into Bennetts standard's
body docking pay But you've got right, this could be
powers that could be weaponized. You'd hope if you're weaponized
that has electoral consequences when it comes to election time.
But it's a balance. I don't walk away from that
for a second.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
All right, Ben, thanks for talking us through. Appreciate it.
Mat Ben McNulty, Wellington Deputy Mayor. Eighteen away from six.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
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Speaker 3 (56:10):
How much would Torri have been docked for her behavior
in Wellington? Well lols not being docked because of course
everybody around your table was her mates right on the
huddle of us this evening. Tim Wilson maximums to Mike Munroe,
former Labour Chief of Stuff and director at Mike Munroe Communications.
High Lads, Good any Heather, Mike, do you like the
idea of recall elections?

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Yes, I do. I say that slightly seguardedly. I do
understand the frustrations that these that these councils have, that
mayors have when you've got a dysfunctional council because of
WHI or two individuals are just out of running a
muck all the time, and you know, you've got to
remember it's been pointed out. You know, behaviors are gotten
away with that would not be forgotten away with in

(56:53):
the private sector, and even around the central government in
the cabinet room, the Prime Minister is very quick get
rid of people who are breaking the rules or you know,
creating sort of mayhem or engaging in misconduct, et cetera,
or even non performers get relegated by the Prime minister.
So I just think it would still follow that the

(57:15):
head of the council, the head of our big councils,
should have some power, some authorities to sort of deal
with people who are constantly causing sort of disruption.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
And they do, and they do like they can take
them off committees and take them to remove the chairpersonship whatever. Yeah,
but removing them all together from council is quite all.
Docking their pay is quite extreme, Tim, what do you think?

Speaker 23 (57:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (57:37):
I think be Ben struggled to determine the point at
which you could actually action you recall elections. Oh well,
if they commit a crime, I think everyone agrees. Well,
you know, you commit a crime, your jail bound. Of
course you're going to be taken off the council. And
then I was like, okay, so you leak information that
costs rate payers fifty million dollars? Okay, how do we

(57:57):
figure out who's leaked the information and just exactly what
we do to deal with that? I wonder, I wonder
is there some way that's and I think you know, Mike,
you were saying, okay, so that the mayors and heads
of council have some role. Can you tell the local
government minister on them, so it's still part of the
democratic process in some way, and that will action the

(58:20):
recall election. But can I just ask, is there some
way that you can boot people off for making, well
while still functional counsels making really stupid decisions? Can we
do something about that.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
That would be called democracy and elections.

Speaker 8 (58:34):
Yeah, good, I like the sound of that.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
That's good.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
Actually that's not about idea. Maybe we should adopt that idea.
Actually that should be the model that we use. Take
a quick break, come back to you, guys, talk about
Paul Henry and Chris lux and sixteen away from.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
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Speaker 3 (58:51):
Right back of the huddle, Tim Wilson, Mike Monrolison, before
we get to Paul Henry and Chris Luckson, just quickly
on the bird flu to me, are you panicking here
or do you feel like we've got this under control?

Speaker 8 (59:00):
Look, I'm not a poultry farmer. I love m KAMC
so I'm a bit of a poultry expert. This is
this seems to be like about one crook bird found
on Potony Beach and we hear it's a low health
risk and you can eat the eggs and poultry of
these crook birds. Well, so how do you get the thing?
That is it if you kiss a crook bird? Well,

(59:20):
don't kiss any crook bird.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
We worried about us getting at Timora are we worried
about the devastation it would cause to the industry if
it got into one of those farms.

Speaker 8 (59:27):
Well, if it gets in there, that's that's absolutely a problem.
And I see that, but it's sort of yeah, it's
it's I need to link to the industry.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
What's that You're just thinking about yourself.

Speaker 8 (59:37):
Again, Well, it's that's that's what we tend to do.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
Yeah, what we we being meant? No, that was hardpoll.

Speaker 8 (59:47):
Come on, let's tell the bara right what completely?

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Yes, I'll be writing a strong Lizard, you know what?

Speaker 6 (59:57):
You know what this is?

Speaker 8 (59:58):
This this, this requires an a chapter in Ringside, that
wonderful political memoir about the sidelining of masculine virtues in
the public square by these aggressive women.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
Yeah, that's right. Hey, Mike going.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
I haven't had a report yet, but it's been it's
been a busy time to me promoting your book in
the last few days, I must say. And I've had
a lot of very positive feedback from all sorts of
you know, o odds and sodsrom around the countryside. So yeah,
I'm so hopeful it's going.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
To do all right, what's the best gossip in there?

Speaker 8 (01:00:30):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
God, God, come when you gave us.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
Some gossip about didn't you feed us about how like
when when they got stressed out just Sinda stopped eating
and Grant started eating.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
That women, there's lots of Wins and Peter's references in there.
Of course, he's a reccurring scene now you know it's
starting forty years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
Yeah, you're no fair, but a gossip about him? Do
you think so? Audre Young's written a piece today, Mike,
and which she suggested that Paul Henry is a problem
for Chris Luxen because if too much shifts around in
that right block, his leadership could be up for a discussion. Again,
what do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Yeah, well, I mean this one just sort of does
my head. And actually, you know, political leadership should be
sort of looking at how they're going to reinvigorate their
parties and who are going to be the next generation
of young trusters and stars. And now we've got we've
had news yelling first, and a lot of us are
reaching back to the past and pulling, pulling back the

(01:01:30):
old fossils and now and now we've got sort of,
you know, a washed up broadcaster being brought in to
try and make a difference. To the Act Party. It's
really quite distressing and it points to a sort of
deeper malais with New Zealand politics when parties do this.
But yeah, the comments, the comments I heard Henry Mate
today about Chris Fluxon are quite right. He is still

(01:01:53):
an issue. He's still a problem for the National Party
and for the government. And it's just as I guess
it's just as glibness, his goodness and his sort of
gormless statements which have landed him in this position. He's
not improving at all in his personal ratings. And yes,
he said he's seen of one challenge this year already,

(01:02:13):
and you could write all to a possibility that he's
going to face another one in the next or three months.
With National mouse of wedge even below twenty nine percent,
isn't it twenty eight point something rather so, Yeah, it
is a problem, and I think the problem sits very
much at the top of the party.

Speaker 8 (01:02:30):
What do you think, Tim Well, speaking as a washed
up broadcast to myself, I'm a cible good by mister
crawl comments. I actually I think you've diagnosed something there, Mike.
But I see it also as a problem for New Zealand.
First because what's the New Zealand first brand. It's sort
of popular, spicy and fun, and poor Henry was all

(01:02:51):
of those things when he came out yesterday. And of
course the question though is will he be able to
I think you had a text and two Heather who
was saying, oh, you know, watch out for the foot
and mouth thing, because Paul Henry tends to telt quite
far and you sort of think, oh oh, and then
sometimes this is we've seen broadcasting. He's gone just a

(01:03:12):
bit too fast. So that'll be interesting to observe. And
it's kind of the larger picture as well as the
celebritization of politics. So you've got your Cane Randall's, your
Michael Laws, your Paul Henry's. It's quite it's quite an
American thing. I don't know if it's quite us.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Yeah, you know, or do you make that point very well? Today?
I thought, I mean, he's the sort of guy who
hasn't come and Henry's not this sort of guy who's
going to get into Parliament just to sit around and
be voting fodder and sent a select committee meetings all
day long. He'll be a headline maker. The headline making
might be necessarily helpful to know, Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
It's been the points has been made today that he's
a sort of akin to Stephen Joyce, right, who never
came in and did the sloggy yuck work. He just
went straight into cabinet, did cabinet stuff and they never
and he never saw anything from the of the back bench.
And perhaps Paul Henry's a little bit like that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Yeah, but the Joyce had a business, had a business background.
He knew how things worked. I mean, Paul Henry, for
you know, all due respect, he's been a he's been
a radio broadcaster. He's been a star of the star
of the medium.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
He ran a motel for a bet though, and why
a rapper.

Speaker 23 (01:04:21):
Spots so everyone else on this on this huddle here
this is he's a radio broadcas great honestly, guys, oh am, I.

Speaker 8 (01:04:32):
Just building my copy of Ringside right now.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
Yeah, I fear enough. I can understand. All right, you guys,
look after yourself. Tim Wilson, Mike Monroe, huddle this evening,
seven away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
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Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
Hey on the bird flu case. It's been discovered on
pe Toni Beach in Wellington. The minister in charge of
all of the stuff, Andrew hog is just how the
press conference.

Speaker 24 (01:04:57):
I don't want to get anyone alarmed at this only
a human health issue. It is not a human health issue.
Also a food safety as as so long as you're
cooking your chicken, meat and eggs as you're supposed to
do again, not a.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Food safety risk.

Speaker 10 (01:05:12):
You know.

Speaker 24 (01:05:12):
I feel that we are very well prepared for this
disease arriving here. We are effectively one of the last
places in the world to get it, so we've been
able to see how it's impacted other countries around the world.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
Andrew hog O, the minister in charge of dealing with
the bird flu situation here. The washed up broadcaster, what
churlish individual? Take him down. Don't just laugh. Listen. You
know that Paul Henry's not a washed up broadcaster. Paul
Henry knows he's not a washed up even meat to
defend him. You don't need me to defend him. You
know that's not true. That's just the Labor Party lines.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Guys.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
Mike is Mike's you know, he's like mates with the
Labor Party. That's the line they're going to run out.
Watch you'll see more of that here. That a complaint
to the BSA would be good just for the lulls. Honestly,
I mean, if somebody's got time, like if you haven't
got children in a full time job, can't you just
complain about that just to see what happens. Sometimes I
want to see what happens if the BSA gets complained
to about the opposite ends. Because what I was I

(01:06:05):
was sexist towards men. I am frequently sexist towards men
on the show. I objectify men. I'll be like, oh,
look at that man sex God, youm delicious. Wheel first
for him. Nobody ever takes me to the BSA for it.
Tell you what if one of the lads who was on,
if Matt Heath did that about a lady, there'd be
BSA complaints flying. Why do you let it go with

(01:06:25):
me trying to wind you up? Now, go to the BSA.
I want to see what they do. Are they going
to go, oh shh, get her in trouble, tell her off.
Shouldn't be doing that to the blokes. So I was
just extremely sexist towards men just before and so the
process is what you need to do is you need
to complain to use talk TV. I'd be like, that's
so offensive. Find a reason. We really need to go
to the ads complain and then we're not gonna uphold it,

(01:06:48):
because we're gonna say you're ridiculous, nap off. And then
what you need to do is take it to the BSA.
There are four people on the BSA who are just
etching to have a crack at me. We've got to
give them a reason. Let's defend the new We don't
defend the men of New Zealand. But see what happens.
Stop at Darcy's flexing his muscles at me, tries to
get me to objectify him. Nobody objectifies Darcy. Eh, what

(01:07:13):
are we doing next? Oh, letterbox? It's selling to Netflix
for two hundred and fifty million dollars us. Let's find
out how awesome this is. Newsbooks would be.

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Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
In coming up in the next hour, Milford Asset Management
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Gray's with us out of the UK at seven past six. Now,
Netflix might be about to become the new owner of
one of New Zealand's biggest tech startups. Letterboxed is a
key we developed app social media app where you can

(01:08:02):
log and rate your favorite movies. They're looking to sell
in The rumor is that Netflix wants to acquire it
for about four hundred and twenty million New Zealand dollars.
Car Pushman is a film and entertainment journalist and with us,
Hello Carl good evening, hither is it worth that much?

Speaker 25 (01:08:17):
Well, there is a lot of popcorn, We've got to
got to admit. And I think the the interest to
someone like Netflix buying this thing is all that it's
a double edged sword in the way there's all that
juicy audience data, and we know how big tech loves
that data. And here you've got thirty million users all
logging their preferences, what they like, telling them everything about films.

(01:08:39):
And then also for someone like Netflix, a little bit
of tinkering around what users are being served up on
the homepage could very much become a.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
Reality homepage homepage of Nata Box or Netflix.

Speaker 25 (01:08:51):
Yes, of Letterbox. When you log into Letterbox, you might
see the new Netflix film that's out that Friday, and
you know that's That's one of the fears that the
users have of how will this corporate influence come in
on this site which has really built its reputation on
being a niche social network and really that sense of
community around me. You feel like you're with film enthusiasts,

(01:09:13):
you feel part of that club. So it's a They've
got a very delicate balance here to keep that feeling
and also get that return of investment that obviously, if
you're spending what did you say, four hundred and thirty
million dollars going to want to see.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
You, Yeah, totally want to return on that, we should
for you. I mean, if your Netflix, you already know
what I like, right, you already see what I'm clicking on.
You see whateverybody they know what you're clicking on. They
know at which point in the TV show we get
bored and drop off.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
So why do that?

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
Like, what is letterboxed giving them that they don't already have.

Speaker 25 (01:09:43):
Well, it is giving them a pathway into more user base,
and it's also given a pathway to sort of get
their material in front of people that maybe not clicking
into Netflix. They'll find ways to integrate the two services.
So if you're on Netflix, you can straight to you
there might there be a box you go straight to
your little box account, start log against that writing all

(01:10:04):
without leaving Netflix, which keeps you engaged in their system,
keeps you logged on and you know social I mean sorry,
streaming services want engagement with you because then you're less
likely to cancel your subscription. So that could be what
they're looking for, is just another way to keep people
engaged with Netflix rather than going off to one of

(01:10:24):
their rivals.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
Okay, so just so the whole the whole thing here
is that you're supposed to put in like your profile,
your four top films. Have you got a profile?

Speaker 5 (01:10:33):
By the way, I do?

Speaker 11 (01:10:35):
I do?

Speaker 25 (01:10:35):
I haven't used it for a little while. Topic enthus
what are they there? Existence? Which is a David Cronenberg
sci fi film, Woody Allen's Annie Hall rom com and
Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
But there's only three.

Speaker 25 (01:10:51):
Oh and the fourth one is Swingers. What John Favreau's
not that kind of swinget? Oh okay, it's a comedy
about some lads heading a big night in Vegas.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
Okay. I didn't know where to go with that, Carl.
I was like, Okay, this it's unexpected twist, and how
this is not it's not that kind of sight. Let
me not keys and the keys and the bowl thing. Listen, Carl,
thank you very much, Ben, look after yourself. I really
appreciate you talking us through carle plishment entertainment journalists. So
the other thing is because Sam the producers really into this, right,
He's into all the cool stuff that the young people

(01:11:25):
are into. He said. One of the most iconic aspects
of this particular site is that they go that obviously
the fourth thing, and so they actually go to the
red carpet and they ask the celebrities what their four
favorite movies are, and then they pop that up on
social media as well. This is Tiger White ts stir.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
Of the Bei've graduates always up there.

Speaker 17 (01:11:44):
Oh you know, I did Love Train Dreams and Pagonia
And this is Sam Nils.

Speaker 14 (01:11:50):
The Pickle of Bowski, which I think is a perfect
film on every level.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
Targo. I like those cran Brothers as a kid.

Speaker 14 (01:11:57):
Twenty Thousand Leagues under the Sea with James Mason, and
James Mason became subsequently a friend of mine. I could
sharp for myself from a Sleeping Dogs was an important film,
I think because it was the first film we'd made
for twenty years or something. It was the first film
we'd ever made him color, and I was in it
for this cornearby that had no idea what he was doing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
That film's always met till up to me.

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
That is surprisingly hard to do. By the way, if
I said to you name your your favorite four films
right now, could you do it? Because I thought about
it all all afternoon. They said, what were your favorite
films that I only know?

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Two?

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
Love Actually? Yes, I know, I'm a loser. Love Love Actually, though,
isn't it wonderful? I'm so cross with Alan Rickman and
why did she take him back? Horrible man? And also
in the Loop. If you haven't watched it in the
Loop yet, what are you doing with your life?

Speaker 6 (01:12:45):
Go?

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
I don't even know where you could stream it from.
Go and find it. But but after that I couldn't
find I don't I don't know the other two. I
was just making stuff up after that. And I still
it's been hours now, it's been like four hours since
they asked me this question earlier today. I still can't
figure out the other topic of the maut. I do
I got a risk of my life. Don't worry about it.
We'll sort it out. Here are the numbers for you.
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percent today, so not a lot. A SX fifty up
about a quarter of percentage points so far today barrel
of Brent crude is now costing eighty five US dollars.
That's up nearly one percentage point today. One New Zealand
dollar is worth fifty eight US cents, eighty three Aussie cents,
fifty one Euro cents, forty three ukpens, ninety four yen
in Milford Acid managements with US next thirteen pas six.

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Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
MZ Heather due for see Allen Heather's ed is.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
The best movie ever. Glenn, You're taking the mickey, aren't you?
Although Richard said he agrees with me on my two
choices and he would add the big short to it.
So the go seventeen past six now, Jeremy Hutton and
Milfittasset Managements with us. Hello, Jeremy, Hi Heather here you
going very well? Thank you. Now, as we've spotted obviously
the listed retirement sector has really been struggling this year
as well. What's going on here is at the house prices.

Speaker 26 (01:14:41):
Yeah, I mean share price returns for the largest listed
retirement names on the INSIDEX do make for some fairly
ugly reading so far in twenty twenty six. I mean
you've got Somerset down twenty eight percent, Ryman down twenty
seven percent, Oceania down nineteen and to be fair, I
mean expectations we're pretty high are coming into this year.

(01:15:01):
I mean you had the local economy performing better, and
house prices, which traditionally have been a really key driver
of performance for the retirement names, were expected to bounce
back after a few stagnant years, and you had bank
economists out there forecasting growth for this year of around
four to five percent. But that consensus has come back

(01:15:23):
materially as the years progressed. You've got expectations of house
prices somewhere between flat and negative at the moment, and
we had the June Real Estate Institute numbers out today
and again I'd say disappointing data, particularly on the house
price front and particularly in Auckland. So yeah, I mean
no question that the housing market has been weighing on

(01:15:43):
returns in the retirement sector this year.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
Okay, So without the house price gains, what is it
that investors looking for? Was it something different from these companies?

Speaker 26 (01:15:52):
Yeah, it is, and the sectors realize this, and it's
going through a bit of a painful transition and its
business model. I mean, does I mean? I mean traditionally
the house price gains had delivered big returns for the sector,
and investors encourage this to be fair. I mean, during
the hot housing market period, investors wanted a lot bigger

(01:16:12):
bill programs, a lot new units. We're happy for them
to take on debts and grow their asset values. But
now that's flipped pretty quickly around the other way. The
message from the market now is stop building or reduce
it materially, cut your debts and show me some real
cash flow from the underlying business. And unfortunately in the sector,
it's not a transition and model you can make overnight

(01:16:35):
and it will take a number of years to play out.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
Okay, So I mean, should we be worried about the
fact that they are reducing the rate of building.

Speaker 26 (01:16:43):
I mean, I think it's something for retirees to consider,
and even New Zealand as a whole. I mean, we
know there's enormous demand coming driven by this aging population,
and at the same time the sector is pulled back
materially on new build supply just as this demographic wave
is coming in. In most markets, when limited supply meets

(01:17:04):
the strong demand, it's usually not a good recipe for
affordability and pricing. And then in the age care segment,
this hospital level high needs care that these private retirement
operators provides, it has relieved a lot of pressure on
the public hospital system, and if these private beds get
genuinely scarce, then that release volve for the public hospital

(01:17:26):
system might not be there. So, you know, just something
to watch as we go through.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
It's a very good point that you make. Jeremy, Thanks
very much, Jeremy hut and Milford Asset Management. Jeremy just
referenced there the June Real Estate Institute numbers. Those figures
came out, the prices weren't flash and the house sales
slowed as well. So last month we had or it's
about four houses shy of six thousand, so five hundred
and nine nine hundred and ninety six sales nationwide, which

(01:17:52):
is a decline on the same time last year about
two point nine percent. Back then they had six thousand,
one hundred and seventy six sales.

Speaker 8 (01:17:58):
It was down.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
The sales were down in eleven of the sixteen regions.
Auckland down five point six percent, Wellington down ten point
three percent, Canterbury down two percent. But to put it
in some perspective, we've got thirty five different dunes that
we've measured now, so it's obviously been measured for thirty
five years. These sales rank twenty third out of the
thirty five. So yeah, it's at the it's sort of

(01:18:19):
in the bottom half, but it's not right at the bottom,
so you don't have to get too stressed out about it. Six' twenty.

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Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
Edb the only movie for Sure heather on my top
four Is, Snatched, Snatch, snatch but Also nemo is up?

Speaker 11 (01:18:52):
There?

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
Interesting anything With Anthony, Hopkins Robert senior do you mean
To nero? Anyway? Whatever or Al pacino Or Robin. Williams, wow,
anyway what About silence of The lambs that you'd have
to Put silence and The lambs up? There silence of The.
LAMBS i don't know how many Times i've watched, that
mainly Because Catherine, hucker My english teacher in fifth, form

(01:19:15):
made me watch it a lot of, times which was
really quite frightening for somebody of that. Age that is
a lot Of that is a lot to take in
as a fifteen year old, Anyway but NOW i know
it back to front and love it as a, Result
so that maybe that's my number. Three we could go with.
That Actually snatches that the one Where Brad pitt is
the traveling. Person, Yeah i'm avoiding A bsa com plant
for a word. There, yeah answer is very proud of, me,

(01:19:35):
producer and he doesn't need THE g word to be
said on air. Anyway it's. WEIRD i don't know why
we're offended by that. Question for, you how do you
feel about reading about famous people's house sales on one.
Roof the Reason i'm asking is today apropos of absolutely
nothing other Than Paul henry is now an Act party.
Candidate one roof has a story up about the fact

(01:19:57):
That Paul henry's got a new place in Remy era
which he and his wife paid nine point seventy five
million dollars for. It plus also they've got the other
mansion in Remu era that's about five thousand bedrooms where
they don't know what to do with. THAT i, mean
it's just giving you. SOMETHING i, mean we've all been, there,
right had an empty house in Remu. Era we're about
ten million. Dollars and also Ps diane went and bought

(01:20:18):
The Newmarket Central hotel which used to be a police,
station for nine point six, million came back from a
pedicure and then Told PAUL i just bought a. Hotel
so they've run this story on one. ROOF i don't
have a. Problem i'm not telling one roof, off BUT
i am just interrogating myself because BECAUSE i clicked on
it AND i read all of, it AND i also
read the story they had the other day About jacinda's

(01:20:39):
auction and how they kept all the people out of
the auction who weren't actually bidders for a bit of
privacy for her And. Clark and ALSO i clicked the
story about how Much richie McCall had made off his
house In, christchitch AND i am ashamed of. MYSELF i
have given myself the ick for reading about other people's
houses WHICH i. HAVE i have no business knowing About
paul And diane's, house And richie And jimma's house And

(01:21:02):
jisinda And clark's, house have no business, whatsoever and YET
i clicked on. It how do you feel about? It
because we should be ashamed of, ourselves shouldn't? We but
did you see the? House diane has excellent, taste Doesn't
she's six twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
Six there's no business like show business.

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
Business The Wick Mariana grande love life just gets weirder and.
Weird now you may remember her last boyfriend was that
guy that she was in With, wicked and he Played
SpongeBob On. Broadway the big drama there was that he
left his wife and his newborn son to shack up
with a pop, star which was not. Cool From. SpongeBob,
anyway they have been done for a few. Months now
there's an unexpected man back in her life for a second.

(01:21:38):
Chance his name Is Ricky. Alvarez, Now arianna's had a
lot of famous boyfriends rap. As she dated the Rapper
Mac miller And Big sean is also a. Rapper and
then there was that weird looking Comedian Pete. Davidson, oh,
frankly you wouldn't want to have your daughter anywhere around
because he just looked weird and like he needed a. Bath,
Anyway ricky isn't exactly their level of. Famous she And
ricky dated in twenty fifteen for about a year when

(01:22:00):
he was one of her backup. Dancers this was really
early on in her. Career rumors started off a reunion last.
Week they were papped hanging out With ariana's family In.
Florida and then she dropped a big bomb in her
concert In New york because she was singing the song
Thank You, next which is this song and she shouts
out each of her, exes and normally the lyrics that
she sings are wrote some songs About. Ricky NOW i

(01:22:23):
listen and, Laugh but at this concert On, monday she
sang wrote some songs About Ricky we always find our
way Back. NOW tmz has confirmed the couple are back,
together but they're taking it slow and it seems like
maybe a better choice For Ariana grande because this time
he doesn't have any kids to leave behind when he
shakes up with, Her so that's a nice. Story G

(01:22:43):
Native charaney's going to be with us Next News talk
said be.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
Approaching the numbers and getting the. Results It's Heather Duplessy
allen on The Business hour with, maths insurance and. Investments
your futures in good hands used, Talks i'd.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
BE i don't know if you're aware of what's going
on in THE uk with a social media, curfew but
there is going to be a curfew on kids being
able to use the social meds midnight to six.

Speaker 23 (01:23:30):
Am.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
Midnight who what canc are awake at midnight to six.
Am that's an utterly pointless, CURFEW i would have thought.
Anyway Gavin gray is going to be with us in
ten minutes and talk us through it with us now
twenty four away from seven As jane Tib trainey took
us through what's going on with homeowners and their insurance
claims and risks natural hazard risks on the Property. Jina,
Hello Hi. Heather, okay so the warning here basically is

(01:23:54):
if your counsel looks at your property and thinks there's
a flooding risk or a slippage risk or, whatever puts
that on your, limb might not be able to get.
Insurance is that basically? It in the, Nutshell, yeah that's basically.

Speaker 27 (01:24:05):
It if the council puts what's called A section seventy
two notice on your title and, limb then you might
have private. Insurance but The Natural Hazards, commission which is
the new kind OF, eqc they won't necessarily settle your
claim if the risk that's been flagged on the limb,

(01:24:28):
is you, know is the risk that you're claiming. For
so if The Natural Hazards commission doesn't want to settle your,
claim then some insurance private insurance won't top up that claim.
Either so if you have one of these notices on your,
property then you might have no insurance cover at all
for that particular. Risk, now the insurance brokes are worried

(01:24:51):
that people don't always fully understand. This so people when
they're going to buy a house and they just see
Oh section seventy two. Notice they don't understand that that
means you might actually not get any insurance cover at
all from the state insure or from your prevalent insurer
for that. Peril so they'd like a bit more awareness around.
That and currently there are nearly twenty six thousand properties

(01:25:13):
that have these notices on, them and every year councils
are putting kind of more and more of these notices
on as they're assessing their flood mapping and you, know
there's more awareness around climate change and so.

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
On and one of the things that's really tricky about
this as well is if you go to council for
anything like a, renovation it could trigger one of these,
things couldn't.

Speaker 27 (01:25:33):
It, yeah, look that's exactly. IT i was talking to
a friend who was looking at buying a house and
on the limb it's flagged all these flood. Risks it's
like in a flood. Zone and he was, like, well
there's No section seventy two notice on. It but the
thing is is that if he bought the house and
if he went to do a reno and had to

(01:25:53):
get a building, consent then that process could trigger the
council to put one of these notices, on which would you,
know kind of screw them over from a from an insurance.
Perspective so that's the sort of worrying thing is you
could buy a place and you, know be aware of the,
risks and you know your private insurer might, look you,

(01:26:14):
know frown upon those. Risks but then if you get
that section seventy two notice put on it sort of wax,
you you know in terms of the state insurer not
willing to provide cover for, that and possibly also your
your private. Insurer and, LOOK i talked to a couple
of different insurers and they have different sort of approaches towards.
This SO iag will look at this on a case

(01:26:35):
by case, basis Whereas tower is a bit more hard
nosed and and you, know won't help you out in this.
Regard so it's a tough. One just another thing to
sort of have to look out for if you're looking
to buy a house or, man if you're in a
if you're in a place and you get hit with
one of, these that's that's pretty.

Speaker 3 (01:26:53):
UNLUCKY i, Think, yeah that's going to be. Tough thank, You,
jena thanks for bringing it to our. Attention Generative. Shrannie
The Herald's Wellington Business edit are twenty one away from Seven.

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
Together do for C, Ellen i'm gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
Do i'm doing a thing On, friday a property investors'. Panel,
Yeah i'm just gonna have to talk about you, know
various art lord just you, know property stuff in the.
Media but it's caused me to think about. IT i was,
READING i was reading about it a bit about it
Last night's caused me to think about it all day
to day AND i, think, honestly is investing in property
right now just feels so unbelievably, complicated doesn't, It because

(01:27:25):
it's not actually having to look like. You there are
just so many new extraneous things you're having to, consider
like what what is going on with with the hazards
and the insurance and The Reserve bank with all of
Its we, think like, you look at the, prediction As
Jeremy hutton Of Milford Asset management was just saying, earlier

(01:27:47):
when when when we had all these predictions of four
to five percent house price growth this year which was
given to us last year for this, YEAR i looked
at it and, went, bs that's not going to. Happen
it is not going to happen because BECAUSE i already
understood that the fundamentals weren't there for. It you can't
have people leaving the country so you have fewer people
in the country wanting to buy. Houses you can't have
The Reserve bank actively trying to stop house prices going.

(01:28:09):
Up you can't have a cost of living. Crisis and
then they think housepros are going to gout for four
to five. Percent who are these people making this crap?
Up but, anyway now it seems to, me if you
want to invest in, property you've got to know all,
like you've got to be keeping your eye on so
many things that evidently are not obvious to economists themselves
some of the. Time, Anyway coins of The Stone, age
we need to talk about. That you will talk about

(01:28:30):
that at some. Stage do you KNOW i told YOU
i told you earlier on very very started this. Program
The Reserve bank seems to have gone cold on this
idea of forcing the retail banks to set up all
these branches and ATMs and. Stuff what DID i just
read on business desk dot co don and said the
guy who was behind this, idea The director Of money
And Cash Ian wolford at The Reserve bank Of New

(01:28:51):
zealand has. Retired he's, informed he's. Informed THE rbnz has
told staff of his Retirement july. Ninth today is this
last day in the? Office was some time before?

Speaker 11 (01:29:03):
That or?

Speaker 3 (01:29:04):
Sometimes, oh fishy turn. IT i was reading that live
on air as YOU i was like getting myself appraised
WHILE i was telling you about it as you. Could
bloody will tell. Anyway now we need to talk about
The All blacks in their jersey because this caught my
attention earlier this. MORNING i, thought this is a fascinating.
Thing are you aware of the fact and this is
getting some attention on read it in various social media

(01:29:24):
platforms and. Whatnot are you aware of the fact that
in The Nation's championship there are something like twelve squads
and there is only one squad that is not wearing
The Nation's championship patch on their, sleeve and that's The All.
Blacks every other squad go and have a look at.
It every other squad in there has got a little white.
Circle well it's not, little it's actually, massive like you'd

(01:29:44):
struggle to cover it up with your. HAND a massive
white circle on the sleeve of their. Jersey and in
it it Says Nations championship and it's got the official
logo which is like a rugby ball split in two
to represent The Northern hemisphere in The Southern hemisphere or
some crap like. That, anyway The All blacks are the
only squad refusing to do, it and the reason why
they're refusing to do it is because they're very deliberate
about what they put on their jersey and there is

(01:30:07):
no requirement in The National championship to wear the mark
on their, jersey so they've flat out. Refused everybody else
is doing, it but they've refused and on this AND
i think this is like slightly, contentious about as contentious
as something like this could be slightly. Contentious But i'm
on the side of The All blacks here BECAUSE i
don't know if you've noticed, this but the. Difference the
one thing THAT i don't like About Rugby league over

(01:30:30):
Rugby union is how messy their jerseys. Look it's just
a cacophony of things going on on those, jews like stickers,
everywhere isn't. It it's like looking at a child's bike
and they've stuck dinosaur and rainbow stickers all over the
thing you, go, oh heideous ruined all of their jerseys
just look really. Ugly and it's the one THING i
like about rugby. Unions you look at that all blacks.
Jersey it's just got the sponsor and the maker of

(01:30:52):
it was what do they? Go the Three german stripes are.
Added ass that's, it none of this other crap go
then stick to it. Guys seventeen away from seven.

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Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
ZIBBY i have to tell you the update that came
through today on The Red Fox Taven murders to stand
by for. That fourteen away from Seven Gavin gray ARE
uk correspondents With, Othello gevin Hither all, Right So Nigel
farajk gets quite a few death, threats doesn't. It it
doesn't altogether surprise.

Speaker 8 (01:31:36):
Me.

Speaker 22 (01:31:38):
NO i think it's the number though that is really prominent.
Here according to The Party REFORM uk that he heads.
Up he receiving at the moment thirty death threats a.
Week so Since february he has recorded some one, thousand
five hundred and seventy seven threats against, him including five
hundred and ninety seven death, threats and these figures suggest

(01:32:01):
that a number of individuals are fixated with the idea
of killing. HIM i, mean just reading some of them out.
Here he has received some saying get out Of wales
BEFORE i just Kill Nigel, farahs you can die at any,
moment execute the stinking trait In Nigel, pharagh and others

(01:32:21):
just saying that he needs to. Die so these are
the sorts of things that of course now really come
to a prominence since the killing Of anne whittickumb the
former prisons, minister the immigration spokeswoman For REFORM, uk and
now Finally Nigel farajh has been granted a meeting with
the people who decide the security given to, politicians and that,

(01:32:43):
meeting we're, told is in the light of the next few.
Days so this ammunition That nigel faraghe has is definitely
going to. HELP i would suggest get perhaps the whole thing,
reviewed which is what many politicians are our calling for
we've had the death of two MP's over the last
eight years being. Murdered the theories that just people are

(01:33:05):
now taking the violence more readily when they disagree with,
somebody and it is a, deeply deeply worrying.

Speaker 3 (01:33:10):
Situation, now, listen the social media curfew for the kids
seems like a load of, tosh doesn't it midnight to?
Six how many of them are?

Speaker 22 (01:33:16):
Awake, yeah midnight to six and not just, that but
you can deactivate it if you want. To so this
latest thought upon the government about how to try to
disengage youngsters from social media is just another piece in.
That and they announced last month that under sixteens in
THE uk will be banned entirely from a range of.

(01:33:39):
Platforms now they're saying older teenagers sixteen and seventeen year
olds will be banned between midnight and six am from
the likes Of, instagram TikTok and. YouTube they're saying that
they also want these addictive features like AutoPlay and infinite
scroll to be disabled to improve sleep quality and family

(01:33:59):
life and also improve their focus at school the following.
Day but critics are saying these proposals are just. Piecemeal
they're being rushed through by A prime minister who's seeing
out his last days and it's a real missed opportunity
for a solid plan to improve children's. Safety of, course
a complete ban on social media for youngsters was introduced To.
Australia many there are saying it simply does not work

(01:34:21):
because youngsters are getting. Rounded the government says we have
to try and do what we. Can but the fact
that it is recognizing they can be, disabled this banning
of the nighttime viewing can be disabled quite easily suggests
that's exactly what will.

Speaker 3 (01:34:36):
Happen what's happened With Mnesty international?

Speaker 11 (01:34:38):
Here, yeah very good.

Speaker 22 (01:34:40):
Question Amnesty international put out a report classing one sexual
violence support center set up BY Jk, rowling she of
The Harry potter fan as antique Rights. Now Jk rowling
has documented how she herself is a survivor of domestic violence.
Now this support center was bablished five years, ago four

(01:35:01):
years ago by The Harry potter author and other campaigners
because they said there was an unmet need for women
only support in the City. Now the facility was then
listed By Amnesty. International inner report called a growing threat
the anti rights movement in THE uk and the facility
was listed in that report as a gender critical. Organization

(01:35:25):
in other, words that it is in some way playing
into this conversation about whether we are supporting, men, women
trans everyone in the. Community the human rights charity says
the briefing was uploaded without going through the normal, checks
And Amnesty international has now said it has withdrawn that

(01:35:46):
particular mention while the internal review takes. Place they say
they regret this and say it was not looked that.
Properly but the author said it was important that survivors
of abuse had the option of women centered and delivered care.

Speaker 11 (01:36:01):
Well it's not the only.

Speaker 22 (01:36:02):
Place mentioned in The Amnesty international. Report there's another one as.
Well a campaign group called Four Women Scotland excuse, me
and they brought the legal case that culminated in THE
Uk Supreme court ruling that a woman refers to biological
sex for the purposes of equalities. Law amnesty report says
the ruling had contributed to AND i, quote a significant

(01:36:24):
decline in protection FOR lgbt plus. Rights, heather there's a
lot going on with.

Speaker 3 (01:36:31):
This, mate two, RIGHT i can't even can't even remember
everything all at. Once thank you very, Much kevin Appreciated Gavin,
GRAY uk. Correspondent hither an oversponsored sports uniform looks like
when a woman puts all the jewelry she owns on at,
once looks like a techie Seventies Christmas Tree sonia nailed us.
Right let me tell, You let me give you the
update on The Red Fox teven. Murder next nine away from.
Seven hither The kiwi's international strip is the correct comparison

(01:36:56):
with the all black. Jersey not THE nrl will but
the same same same rule is true, here same thing is.
True have a look at What they've got a thing
on one shoulder that says main. Streamline it's got something
else on the other. Shoulder they've got per tech underneath their.
Boobs then they've got The kiwis thing on one bourb
and something else on the other. Bourb and then underneath
the chin they've got what looks like a d in

(01:37:18):
AN x or something like. That on the, back they've got.

Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
Sky it is very.

Speaker 3 (01:37:21):
Busy Rugby Union jersey is still better than THE nral
than The Rugby League jersey. Completely, anyway, listen here's the
update for you on The Red fox T haven. Murder
this is Why i'm telling. You, this of, course is
because The Supreme court just quashed the convictions of the
two men found guilty of murdering The. PUBLICAN a couple
have spoken to the media for the first time about
evidence they weren't allowed to give. It the, trial which they,

(01:37:42):
reckon implicates a completely different, guy not the two guys
who've served time for. It couple's names Are Terry hartshorn
and the wife's name Is. Vence they reckon the third
guy that was mentioned in the, Trial Lester, hamilton who
has since, died admitted that he killed The. Publican he
lived across the road from them in Two ruh The huraky.
Planes after the, murder they, reckon he came around to their.

(01:38:03):
House he was looking for her younger brother For vince's younger, Brother,
trevor because he Thought trevor had knocked on him to
the cops because he And trevor were planning to rob
The Red fox tavern that. Weekend and in fact he was.
Right trevor had knocked on him to the cops and
told the cops that, Anyway so Then, terry who was
going to give, evidence is still. Alive terry And. Vinci
terry says to, him did you have something to do with?

(01:38:24):
It and he, said, ah the stupid bastard shouldn't have. Moved,
now what he was referring, to they, think was that
when the robbers burst into the, tavern the publican stood
up and threw a glass at the man with the,
shotgun and the man with the shotgun shot him at close.
Range and so what he was saying was the stupid
bastard shouldn't have. Moved, anyway the judge in this rule
the evidence wasn't allowed it was inadmissible because he wasn't

(01:38:47):
satisfied it was. Reliable the crown lawyers also Said hamilton
was only big noting when he said. That but this
couple reckons he wasn't he was telling the. Truth they
reckon it Wasn't. Bravado he made a, mistake slipped up without.
Thinking so there you. Go maybe it was the third
guy after, all according to, them, Right queens of The
Stone age, ants.

Speaker 5 (01:39:05):
Yep this is little sister By queens of The Stone.
Age while are we playing?

Speaker 11 (01:39:08):
That?

Speaker 3 (01:39:08):
Heather queens of The Stone age have announced that they
are coming To. Auckland they're going to play it At.
SPARK a reader on the twentieth Of.

Speaker 5 (01:39:14):
December, oh very, good, yep right down to the.

Speaker 28 (01:39:16):
Day these the support acts are going to be Primus
AND i can't say this one on the, radio So
i'll just Say tropical F storm And Australian Experimental Art Punk.

Speaker 5 (01:39:25):
Quartet.

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
Interesting, now WHY i know the date is Because i'm
bummed out by this date because host going to which
parent or slash worker is going to a gig On
sunday the twentieth Of.

Speaker 5 (01:39:41):
December, oh because they'll be Busy christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:39:43):
Shopping, yeah we're god, like that's. It like you've that's the.
Week you're already out of town if you unless you're
working all the way through To Christmas, eve you have
already left. Town you're in The, corimander and now you're
gonna miss.

Speaker 28 (01:39:54):
It, yeah there's always more people In Auckland city than
you would think On New Year's.

Speaker 5 (01:39:58):
Eve SO i mentioned they'll probably enough still around at
that end of the year to fill up Spark. ARENA
i was.

Speaker 3 (01:40:03):
Fourteenth i've got a real issue with, This, like don't.

Speaker 5 (01:40:06):
It doesn't help concert? Club that doesn't?

Speaker 3 (01:40:07):
It, no it doesn't help concert club because don't book any,
gigs don't come here and book gigs between the fifteenth
Of december and around about the twentieth Of, january because
we're on. Holiday what are you?

Speaker 28 (01:40:17):
Doing, Wow queens don't want to be stuck in the
winter of THE us Or, europe you, know shivering in
some tiny. Thing they want to come down here where
it's nice and sunny and they can go to the
beach before, again go To.

Speaker 3 (01:40:27):
Wahiki there's three money tickets that you could have had
quatza and now you're not going to get it unbummed
out because they're. Great oh aren't? They aren't they? Great
kevin the boomer who's finally managed to do his Wordle,
yeah that's. It it's day has.

Speaker 5 (01:40:39):
Been did it in four for the, record in, FOUR
i only.

Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
Did it in.

Speaker 1 (01:40:43):
Five i'm.

Speaker 3 (01:40:43):
Mum english as a second language is very good at
rurten come back and tell you what she got in.
Tomorrow see Then.

Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
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