Full Show Podcast: 15 May 2026

Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only drive show you can try. Truck to ask
the questions, get the answers, find the sack and give
the analysis. Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand
and the Power of Satellite Mobile News Talks ENV.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Afternoon. Welcome to the show. Coming up today, the White
Tonguey Tribunal is calling on the government to stop its
plans to remove Treaty principles from legislation. Will get you
across that. We'll try to understand why it is that
the National Party has paused its plans to ban social
media for under sixteens. And Paul Spain, the tech expert,
will explain what went wrong with me though the car
sharing business.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Heather Duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
So I heard someone wants say that the best stories
you could ever hope to read in the newspapers are
always the stories that you find in the sports sections,
and I was reminded of that by the incredible story
of the women's Phoenix team, the football team. Tomorrow. These
ladies are going to play in the grand final of
their A League competition, which is remarkable when you consider

(00:59):
the face that two out of the last five years
they've been the Wooden Spoon team. But why they've made
the Grand Final is the part that makes the story incredible.
It's their coach, Bev Priestman. Their coach seems to be
the person, all the thing that has turned them around
two years ago. Remember this, that coach was their evil
nemesis because she was the head coach of the Canadian

(01:20):
football team during the twenty twenty four Olympics and she
was busted spying on our team, the New Zealand women's team,
using a drone. And in that New Zealand women's team
were many players who were in this Phoenix team today.
That drone spying turned into an international scandal and the
coach lost her job. She needed a new job, so
she moved to New Zealand, where her wife is a

(01:40):
football player, and she thought about buying a coffee cut
and leaving football all together. But the Phoenix saw a
chance because they could never normally land a coach of
her caliber. But she of course needed a way back,
so they gave her a job and the team is
now in the Grand Final. Isn't that an amazing story?
You can call it karma if you like. The women
that she did the dirty on head ended up benefiting

(02:01):
from that. She hurt them, but now she's helping them,
she's redeemed herself. That that story is so remarkable. It
is only one plot twist away from being worthy of
a Netflix series, and that plot twist is if the
team actually wins the final tomorrow, as they say, doesn't
sport give us the best stories about ourselves?

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Forgever do for see Ellen.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
CJ.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Bott, who is the captain of that team, is going
to be with us after half past five talk us
through what she's expecting tomorrow. She's, unfortunately for herself, on
maternity leave now. As you know on this show, we
have been following the drama involving tape face the Dunedin
City councilor Benedict Ong for quite a long time. He's
only been in council for seven months, but he's already

(02:44):
put tape on his face in protest read aloud from
Kafka's the trial Boring leaked a bunch of confidential documents
and he's now facing his second Code of Conduct complaints,
second in seven months. As such, we thought it was
past time that we just got him on the show
to explain what the hell is going on. And he's
with us hibenedict.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
Yes, high header, I have to say thank you for
highlighting the most special city all across the great country
of New Zealand. And it's the weekends coming up, so
you know where the best place to spend.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Your weekend is Dunedin.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Well, of course, I mean you've been talking about Dunedin.
Whal else would it be?

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Exactly quite right?

Speaker 5 (03:24):
Now?

Speaker 2 (03:24):
What is going on? Why are you causing so much trouble?
Why do you keep on leaking stuff when you're keeping.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Well?

Speaker 4 (03:32):
First and foremost, our public assets are owned by our
public community, and our public community would like to know
what is taking place with our public community assets. The
second thing is from the context of anyone who has
been in financial services. I was a former investment banker.

(03:53):
When you are looking at something that's going to be
open for a public asset or any private asset, it's
good to say, hey, maybe because we are the most
special seat in the country, there's going to be a
great deal of demand for that asset. And so in
looking at that and looking at the ways that we

(04:15):
can partner with our Crown institutions for a lot of
different assets. That has just come to light as being
coincidentally mentioned, but it's our public community assets, and our
public community wants to know what's taking place with it.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
As are you suggesting that in some way the council
that you are involved with is hiding things from the public.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
I will say, firstly, our council is a generational institution,
and it needs to be a generational institution because it
has served for generations and it will serve for generations.
But we know that the highest in authority, well at
least on the council executive side, is someone who's one
individual on a one year contract. So simply does that

(05:01):
mean that we are a generational institution when we have
a concentration of authority under two individuals. Simply put two individuals.
I'm trying to get one who is elected, one who's.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
What's the point of all the trouble that you're causing, though,
have you done anything of any value?

Speaker 6 (05:16):
Like?

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Have you done any good?

Speaker 4 (05:18):
I have done a tremendous amount of economic good. I
have three economic objectives and arrows for our city. Now,
think of our city. We are needed limited in the
contexts of owning multi billion dollars of commercial business assets.
They've taken many years, a great amount of money to

(05:39):
be put together, but they are not operated with the
commercial financial mindset that would deliver more back to our
community for aminities it.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Is without constantly getting in trouble.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
I would like to think, so I am not the
one that's trying to get myself in trouble. I'm just
simply trying to deliver economically.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Are you sure? Because every time the emails you or
the chief executive emails you and says, hey, please don't
share this, you share it.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
We are both public elected members and it's on public
community assets. All I can say is if it's not
shared with our generational media institution that's one hundred and
sixty four years old, then it can be shared true
various information acts that our community members will rightly demand

(06:29):
to know.

Speaker 6 (06:29):
True.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Okay, hey, so yesterday or on Wednesday, you you copied
in a bunch of media into your email and then
suggested there was an existing legal case currently ongoing face
by counsel that the rest of that the right payers
don't know about. What is that?

Speaker 6 (06:46):
Well?

Speaker 4 (06:47):
I said that because simply I thought it was quite
ironic that I was being threatened with potential legal action
from potentially our council CEO, And I was just going
to ask, wait a minute, is there some legal action
that we should know about in our community that has
come about from our council CEO? Well, I want to

(07:09):
protect with a legal disclaimer myself in saying that statement.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
But it's something that you know about that you're trying
to seduce other people might want to know about.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
It is right for our community. You don't know what's
taking on publicly with our counsel. Well, I can say
there is a specific legal action that has been put
forth and by him, one former executive of our city council,

(07:44):
and who.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Is Why will you leave it at that, because then
you're just as bad as the rest of them.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
Well, you know, I think that's something that we can
talk about in and across our other media institution because
that would have more time to be well covered, well documented.
It's going to go on into many, many pages because
I think that legal cases, why.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Don't you name them? Name them? Name them?

Speaker 4 (08:12):
There is an existing legal case that I understand we
are facing. I am not sure because I'm blocked now
from the latest details. It's publicly stated, I am barred
from public available information.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
You obviously, so are you making this stuff up or
do you know is this hearsay or do you know.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
This is not here?

Speaker 6 (08:33):
Say?

Speaker 4 (08:33):
This is something that was provided to us and there
was also are.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
They suing for a lot?

Speaker 4 (08:43):
I am not privy to the specific numbers.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
There is a case vibein adet thank you? Do you
know what? I was hoping for?

Speaker 6 (08:49):
More?

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Weren't you hoping for more? I was hoping for because
because if you've been following this on the bribe Indict,
if you go Benadict tape face wife have been fascinated
by this? Is because we couldn't quite peg whether Benedict
was just a trouble maker who was causing everybody a
headache or if he was actually a warrior for transparency

(09:12):
and truth. W we needed to get behind because he
was doing God's work. Well, I mean, he's a troublemaker,
isn't he? Like I wanted him to do a better
job than that, and then he ended up withholding the
information that he was trying to hint it anyway, what's
the No, you're not a worrier. I'm annoyed by him.
I'm annoyed because I'm let down. He's let me down.
Troublemaker character category seventeen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
It's the Heather to Pussy Allen Drive Full Show podcast
on iHeartRadio powered by News Talk Z'B.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
By the way, we were wrong in thinking that Luke
Metcalf was taking a pay cut to go to the Dragons.
He's actually taking a pay rise. He's going from about
nine hundred and fifty thousand dollars with the Warriors to
one point one million with the Dragons. My question to
you is this, is it better to be paid less
you're in a winning team like the Warriors, or to
be paid more and be in the worst team in

(10:04):
the competition? Sports titles with us after half past five,
we will discuss its twenty past four.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Sports with generates, putting performance first. Generate keywisaver dot co
dot nzre.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Jason Pine Weekend Sport hosters with US, Hello Piney.

Speaker 7 (10:17):
See I'd rather be paid not much on ZB than
be paid a whole heap of money on another radio station.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
You know, I was waiting for that. What is what's
he going to fill that dot dot dot with Piney?
You're in Brisbane? Are you?

Speaker 6 (10:33):
I am?

Speaker 2 (10:33):
What's it like?

Speaker 7 (10:35):
Unbelievable?

Speaker 4 (10:36):
Is it it is?

Speaker 8 (10:37):
What is it?

Speaker 6 (10:37):
Friday?

Speaker 7 (10:38):
Warriors don't play till Sunday, as we know honestly hither
you cannot walk five meters in the city without seeing
a Warrior's shirt. They are absolutely everywhere here the city.
It feels as I has been taken over by Warriors fans.
I flew over yesterday from Wellington and the whole plane
was basically Warriors jerseys. There's such a buzz around the city.

(10:59):
It's yeah, it doesn't start till tonight, obviously, but all
three days are sold out. But the Warriors Broncos game
on Sundays, it's well, it's the Marquie fixture really and
there are so many Warriors fancy for it.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Now.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
I want you take on what's going to happen in football,
so we'll start with them. Auckland FC. How do you
think they're going to go win the second league of
their semi.

Speaker 7 (11:20):
I think they'll win the game tonight. It's probably not
the favorite option, but I think Autland got a bit
about them this year. They made it to the Semis
last year and dipped out, didn't make the Grand Final.
I think that still burns a lot of those players.
So adelaih stuff place to go to. But I've got
Autland FC going there tonight and which won all so
expectively an elimination final tonight, could be extra time, could
be penalties. I reckon they'll get.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
It done okay. And then the women's Phoenix.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
Yeah, I can't wait for this.

Speaker 7 (11:45):
I mean, what a moment for the club. You know,
no team's ever made the Grand Final before men or
women from any New Zealand side, so for the women
to do that tomorrow. Look, they're not favorite either, but
this is a pretty special group under BF priestsmen. So
I know you've got CJ. Pott on a but later
on looking forward to from her that time. Yeah, like
I again, they're you know, they're not favorite, but funny
things happen on not on big days like Grand Final

(12:06):
day tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Geez, what a yarn though, way Piney listen, thanks very much,
enjoy yourself in Brisbane. Can't hear. I can't wait to
hear what it was like when you get back. That's
Jason Pine Weekend's sport host, Heather. This guy, this is tapeface.
This guy is pure gold. I'm in stitches. I vote
for him to replace Chris Luxon. Only if you never
want to get a straight answer out of your Prime Minister. Again.

(12:28):
Here the benedict on On is an example of how
wounding second tier investment bankers are. Here the prepare yourself
for very long and confusing answers from the sky never
gives a direct answer. But it's kind of amusing in
a crazy way. Lord only only amusing if you're a
rape payer who doesn't care about how much money you're
paying him to just fluff around like that.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
For twenty two a hard questions, strong opinion.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the
Power of Satellite Mobile News.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Dog said the metcalf is happy to take the money
in a bad team because it's going to be on
the treatment table anyway, which is a fair point. I mean,
you really, if you're going to spend your time with
a busted leg anyway, may as well make the most
that you can out of that situation. Take the biggest
dollar that you cans full twenty five. Now, it turns
out New Zealand Cricket a this is funny. New Zealand
Cricket has hired someone to find out who's been leaking

(13:21):
to the media. Because let me not jump ahead, Let
me give you this. Let me give you the full headline.
New Zealand Cricket has hired someone to find out who's
been leaking to the media. But the fact that they've
hired someone to find out who's been leaking to the
media has also been leaked to the media before the
guy who was hired realized that it had been leaked

(13:42):
to the media. So if you've been following the story
of New Zealand Cricket, you'll know there's been a lot
of leaks. Right This takes back. This dates back to
all the drama and the leaks about the establishment of
n Z twenty and then the friction between the board
and the then CEO, Scott Winning, and then the fact
that he was pushed out in the fact that he left,
and all of that stuff was kind of making its
way to the Herald and it was in New Zealand

(14:03):
Cricket was not obviously not loving it, so they turned
to their law firms, Simpson Greason to try and figure
this out. And Simpson greas and then hired a forensic
technology expert, presumably to go through I'm assuming emails and
phone records and stuff. Someone's going to get busted someone
is going to get found if the forensic guy is
going through it anyway. But then Shane then somebody told

(14:25):
Shane Curry at the Herald was like, oh, they've hired
a forensic expert. So Shane car with the name of
the forensic experts. So Shane Curry calls the guy and
asks him if he's the guy that they've hired, and
the guy says, sorry, host giving you my details. Sorry,
your call is unexpected. Well, you're not very good at
your job then, because you're the guy who's supposed to
find out who's been giving your details out anyway. Then

(14:47):
he tells Shane that if the Herald wants to comment,
they need to talk to whoever it is that they
think has hired him. So then Shane went back to
New Zealand Cricket and New Zealand Cricket's not commenting on it,
and the fact that New Zealand neither New Zealand Cricket,
nor Simpson and Gresson and not. In fact, this guy
denied that this is what is going on means obviously
that this is what is going on anyway. I enjoy that.

(15:09):
I enjoy all the money that's been spent on that Heather,
former CEO doctor su Bid Roses suing Donedin City Council
over unpaid leave. Nah, that can't be it, because surely
if you were going to do some sort of an
expose a as tape base would be better than that,
because it wasn't that much unpaid leave. It was like
sixty thousand dollars worth, wasn't it. It's not it's got
a deal.

Speaker 9 (15:29):
Uses next, Today's newspakers talked to Heather first, Heather dupusy
Ellen drive with One New Zealand and the Power of
Satellite Mobile news talks end me.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Right.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
There is something weird going on with the government's plan
to ban the under sixteens from using social media, because
as you know, they've talked about it, they have intentions
to do it. Cash from we'd had a member's bill
that's been pulled out of the biscuit and so it's
basic good to go. But now we're being told Catherine
Weed's members bill is paused. They in their words, deprioritized
in place of wider work. But they're not saying what

(16:09):
it is. They're doing what they are doing instead of
doing the bill that is sitting there waiting to go.
So I'm pecking that what is going on here is
thus stalling at the moment, because it's pretty clear that
we know the National Party want to do this, right,
so I think they're stalling and I think they're going
to campaign on it, which yeah, I mean, I'm sort
of like, I don't know, I'm not convinced by this.

(16:32):
Is this something we're gonna vote for? Is this some
I just feel like this is one of those things
where you go just to you were own government.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
Just do it.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
That's what you're there for. Isn't it one of those ones.
I don't know if it's a vote mobilizer, but if
it's a vote mobilizer, let me know. We're gonna have
a chat to see Cecilia Robinson, who's behind this outfit
that's really pushing hard for the social media band to
come in place, see what she understands is going on,
because I know they're in the ear of the government
all the time, and she's with us after five, Barry
Soaper is going to be with us in ten minutes time.
It's twenty four away from five.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
It's the world wires on news talks.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
It'd be drive Donald Trump and Chinese President Jijingping are
meeting again as we speak. Things have stayed very collegial,
but an expert in Taipei says Jijingping's language around Taiwan
has been a lot harsher than you would expect at
a diplomatic summit like this.

Speaker 10 (17:17):
There's something totally the fact of US cast wrong. Then
there might be collating between US and China. For example,
these are kind of discordant adjective that are another best
for generating goodbybe So that's the interesting part.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Ober In Australia, the opposition leader Angus Taylor has accused
the government of bringing in a death tax. He says
some of the government's changes around trusts have effectively created
a new duty.

Speaker 11 (17:43):
This is a death duty on Australians.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
Now.

Speaker 12 (17:48):
This is a government before the last election said it
wasn't going to impose any of these taxes, and we
keep finding new ones.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
And finally, the Indianapolis Colts have partnered with The Simpsons
to announce their Sharp Jill for the upcoming NFL season.
The Colts have put together a montage of clips from
the show that each match up with one of the
teams they're going to be playing against during the season.
Here's the clip they used for their match against Houston Texans.

Speaker 13 (18:12):
So I represent a group of oil taccoons who make
foolish purchases.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
This one is for the New York Giants.

Speaker 11 (18:19):
New York is a hellhole? Can you know how I
feel about hell holes?

Speaker 2 (18:24):
And this is the one they've put for the bye
week when they won't be playing a game at all.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Help Bye Bye, Belle.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
International Correspondence with ends and eye insurance. Peace of mind
for New Zealand business not bad?

Speaker 2 (18:41):
All right? Let's go to Gordon Robinson, our US and
Middle East correspondent.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
High Gordon Heather, Great to talk to you again.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Now let's have a chat about what's going on with
Trump summit with Jijiping. There were predictions the Middle East
war would overshadow it. Has that happened?

Speaker 6 (18:56):
I think it hasn't. The Chinese have made it very
clear that for them Taiwan is the biggest issue, and
for the Americans, at least publicly, they're mainly talking about trade,
but all of that gives China a lot more leverage.
Trump needs help out of the mess he's gotten himself
into in the Middle East. So the Middle East hasn't

(19:17):
overshadowed the talks, but it's clearly been an element of them,
and it's an element that gives China leverage going forward
because China has influence with Iran, and for Trump believes
that China can put pressure on Iran to help resolve
the conflict.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
What is the latest from the Middle East?

Speaker 6 (19:38):
In Well, things haven't changed much in the last week
or two. Things are calm, things are tense. The US
is still blockading Iranian ports and the Iranians are still
refusing to allow most ships to pass through the Strait
of Hormuz. Basically, each side continues to make demands that

(20:00):
it knows the other can't agree to, and the Iranians assume,
I think probably correctly at this point, that they can
hold out longer than the Americans can. So the tensions
are rising precisely because there hasn't been very much movement.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Can we assume the Iranians were behind the sinking of
one of those ships?

Speaker 6 (20:22):
I wouldn't go as far as saying we can assume it,
but it's more likely than not.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
And why would they do that.

Speaker 6 (20:33):
Because they can because they don't mean Yeah, I mean,
I don't I don't mean I don't mean to be flippant,
but yeah, it shows that they have a degree of control.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah, no, fair enough. I mean that that is exactly
the right answer. Now, what's going on for Trump though
at home? Because those comments earlier in the week were
kind of surprising, weren't they.

Speaker 6 (20:56):
They they were so. Trump was speaking to reporters as
he walked out to his helicopter on the White House lawn,
and he essentially said that he doesn't really care about
the economic distress that the war is causing ordinary Americans.
And this was pretty jaw dropping, first of all, because
it's pretty rare for a politician anywhere in the world

(21:18):
to say that he doesn't care about rising prices affecting
his constituents. But Trump trying to turn the question back
to Iran having a nuclear bomb. He essentially said, I
don't care that things are getting hard for Americans. The
important thing is Iran can't have a nuclear weapon. And
you know, the second part of that is true as

(21:40):
far as it goes, But most Americans care about rising
prices at the pump. We're beginning to see the economic
effects of the war in other places around the United States.
And Trump is a democratically elected leader. He's not very
popular at the moment, so one would have thought that

(22:00):
even if he thinks that, he wouldn't have said it
out loud.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, hey, thank you very much. Gordon has always really
appreciated chatting to you. That's Gordon Robinson, US and Middle
East correspondent, nineteen away from five. Ever, I did wonder
if he was saying that for the Iranians to hear like,
you're not having an effect to me, I don't care.
But then unfortunately some other people were listening his voters.
I got some sad news for you. Fisher and bikel
have stopped putting the New Zealand national anthem on their

(22:24):
washing machines. They haven't said what. They've confirmed that they're
not doing it anymore, but they haven't said why they're
not doing it anymore, other than they're really busy doing
some other really clever things. Now, if you don't know
what I'm talking about, it's this on the older models,
you can push about three buttons and it does this
for you.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
Hm.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
I'm not sure if you're enjoying this. Thank goodness, it's over.
That's what it does. It's kind of cool, though, isn't it.
I mean, it's not something like you've you've heard it
now once. It's kind of hurt, didn't it, But it
was kind of fun to be able to do it.
And if you're like, oh can I do it, here's
how you do it. Okay, listen, concentrate. You may have

(23:13):
to google this later. You put your machine in demo mode.
You hold down power and the advanced buttons together. It
goes into the demo mode and then you hold washed
temp up for two seconds and then it plays it
for you.

Speaker 11 (23:26):
Did you hear that age? See mum loves the song.
You should do it over over again.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
I don't think that I've got a I don't know
if I've got to have. You got a.

Speaker 11 (23:32):
Fisher and pikel My dad worked there for like thirty years,
so so yes, you do. Definitely, I think.

Speaker 13 (23:36):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Actually maybe no good actually good point from you. Hold on,
let me keep my own notes. Just put that in
my bag over there and I'll see if I can
do it this evening and if it does it now,
the Mardi Queen has met with King Charles at Buckingham Palace.
At palace and as you know, producer Sam is obsessed
with her clothes and what she's doing and how good
she's looking, and he says her dress was slay, but

(23:58):
less slay than the dress that she will for Prince William.
But then that is fair, I suppose, because if you
wanted to impress one of them, it would be Prince
William on account of the fact that he's cooler there
for his social media is going to count more for you.
But also when he gets onto the throne, he's going
to be there for a lot longer, so you're going
to invest your best dress in him, right Anyway, It's
a white dress. It's a midclf again, short sleeves this time,
which I think is a bit of a mistake for

(24:19):
her because she I just think that I think the
long sleeves just looks that a little bit more formal.
That worked quite well. Bit of a collar thing going
on with the dress and then a little nice black
sort of necktie thing underneath. It is quite on trend
at the moment. Cute little pointed shoes and a pink
tan neutral She got the kette out again. Is it
a ketty, is it a handbag? I don't know. Nice

(24:39):
updo with a mid riise bun Anyway, there is definitely
something going on here with the queen's fashion because if
you go back four years ago and have a look
at what she was wearing, it was not like she's
glowed up right. So anyway, we thought, what we're gonna
do is we're gonna get somebody on who knows a
bit about Pashan and they'll be with us in half
an hour time. Half an hour time just explained to

(25:00):
us what's going on and how much of an impact
this is going to make. Because I think this is
working for her in terms of she can win over
a lot of young people who will support her just
because she looks great.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Quarter two for politics with centrics credit, check your customers
and get payments certainty.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Why Tony Tribunal is not happy about what a surprise
about the government taking the Treaty principles out of legislation.
We're gonna have a chat about that after five, but
right now it's thirteen away from five. Barry Soapers with
us Alo Berry, Good afternoon, Heather, Yeah, Chris Hopkins as well.

Speaker 13 (25:29):
I've got to say politicians can be infuriating at times,
can't they. And the man who got your Heckels up yesterday.
Of course heada was Chris Hopkins. I'm gonna say, as listening,
my blood was pulsating through my veins at a reasonable pace.
And when I heard the five o'clock news and then
I heard Chris Hopkins come on to your show, and

(25:51):
my heart rate was higher than it should have been.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Not for love of Chris Hopkins.

Speaker 13 (25:55):
Right, it'll soon become apparent. Certainly your blood was boiling
as well. So this is how unfolded. And if you
have cardiac issues, I'd advise take a chill pill and
have a listen.

Speaker 14 (26:09):
Chris Hipkins says Auckland does have moved on from long
lockdowns and don't hold a grudge against labor. The labor
leader gave a speech today on the city's future, batting
away questions on whether the party kept it too long
in lockdown in twenty twenty one.

Speaker 15 (26:25):
Not one person outside of news talk ZB is continuing
to raise that with us.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Chris Hipkins is with us now, hoichi be.

Speaker 15 (26:30):
Good morning, good afternoon, Good afternoon, Good afternoon. That's still afternoon,
isn't it. Yes, that's right, that's a stranger.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
I'm furious. I just heard the news before we get
into this migrant stuff. What is this about? No one
cares about the Auckland lockdowns except for zed B anymore.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
You want to explain that I never said that.

Speaker 15 (26:46):
Heither what I said was hold on, let me quote you.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Let me quote you because in the stand up, a
reporter not from Newstalk zb I asked you about the
COVID lockdowns and you said, not one person outside of
Newstalk ZB is continuing to raise that with us.

Speaker 15 (27:00):
Correct, people aren't raising it. We've been doing public meetings
across Auckland. You know, as I said, NEB still raise it,
but most people aren't.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Are you telling me? In the city of Auckland, nobody
except for people employed by News Talks EDB, have raised
the lockdowns with you. That is correct, except of course
for the reporter who raised it with you, who was
not from News Talks EDB.

Speaker 15 (27:18):
Most of the people in Auckland now who are talking
to us are more concerned about the future than they
are about what happened four years ago.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Well, I hope this unleashes a torrent of COVID comments
at you so that you can know it's not just
us now anyway. What is your problem with what Chris Luckson.

Speaker 15 (27:33):
Said, sorry, run that past me again. Remind me what
the questions about.

Speaker 13 (27:40):
Yeah, well, you know, the thing is that Chris Luckson
always gets harangued by the media for being as fumbling
as Chris Hopkins was yesterday. But I haven't heard much
from the other.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Media on that a legiend double standards.

Speaker 13 (27:55):
Well, yes I am, and interestingly, on that lockdown, I
was here most of the time. And I went back
two weeks before the lockdown was lifted back to Wellington
and ran into Jacinda Durnham the corridor at Parliament and said, so,
how are your constituents back in your own electric Prime
Minister of Mount Albert And she said, well, my constituents

(28:20):
are fine. People tell me that they're doing quite well.
I said, how often have you been there in the
two months of the lockdown? She hadn't, hadn't been there once.
So the very next week she went, she went up
to Auckland and lo and behold what did she do?
She went to a factory that had been opened the
whole time during the lockdown, and then to a Pacifica festival,

(28:42):
and then went back to Wellington hardly just to her constituents.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yeah, but So this is where I think Chippy actually
is going to find he's going to come unstuck in
the selection because he has polled quite well because he
said nothing right. But the minute he opens his mouth,
he his poles are going to and he has to
start talking for the selection, his poles will drop off
because people will be reminded of that's right. You're the
guy who put Auckland into lockdown and you're not sorry

(29:08):
for it.

Speaker 13 (29:08):
If you're at any dinner party and you discuss the
lockdown in Auckland and some people do, there's fury around
the table. And there's one photograph that one of our
broadcasters showed me of his dying mother during lockdown and Auckland.
And the photo was of three people outside a window,

(29:29):
a person inside the room that looked like an astronaut,
and the mother was dying on the bed inside. That's
the access they got to the mother.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Now, but listen, do you not think that this kind
of does And I take your point about lockdown, but
I'm curious now I know, but I can see that.
But take just take it as a symbol of the
problem that Chippy's got right. They have made the decision
to run this selection with Chippy, and I think they
haven't factored in how much baggage he's got.

Speaker 13 (29:56):
But that's the whole point, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
That's too much baggage to win.

Speaker 13 (29:58):
When Chippy took over the primeters to ship, he did
his best. It was meant to be Grant Robertson, but
he turned out to be the one, and he tried
to bury Berry Berry A lot of the stuff I'd
done during COVID couldn't do it. And now people come
the election of starting to be reminded of yep, either in.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
The baggage is too much? All right, Berry, thanks very much,
appreciate it. Barry so per seen your political correspondent WI
wrap the political week that was with Barry after caught
a past six right now it's eight away from.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Five here yourself think it's the Mic Hosking breakfast.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Not getting any easy for any New Zealand.

Speaker 8 (30:31):
Fuel bills up two hundred and forty million, capacities cut
three to five percent.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Now they're looking at cost cutting programs and jobs.

Speaker 13 (30:36):
Nicol Reby Shankers with us is this it or is
there more to come?

Speaker 8 (30:39):
If you're referring to the financial outcome for the airline.
It's tied into how long the conflict's going to last.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
So the longer it lasts, the worse it could get
for you.

Speaker 8 (30:48):
Will necessarily get worse from a run red perspective, but
it will mean that it weighs as down as far
as our financial.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Result fuels down.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
So is that not getting better for you?

Speaker 6 (30:56):
Fuel?

Speaker 8 (30:56):
Being down is helpful, but it's all context, isn't it normal?

Speaker 3 (30:59):
For is eighty five dollars a barrel.

Speaker 8 (31:01):
GE's gone down from the heady heights of two hundred
to about one point fifteen, so it's down but not
down enough.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Back Monday from six am, the mic asking Breakfast with
Defender News Talk said Beat.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Heather on the ban for social media for under sixteens,
Your mate Seymour has never wanted this freedom of speech,
et cetera. Carol, that is fair. That is a fair
point to make, and that maybe as some explanation for
why the government is not doing it at the moment.
But then you consider the fact that labor had stepped
up and said, hey, will help you pass this, so
they've sores, so they've got the bill ready to go,
and then they've got the numbers to pass it. And

(31:35):
they're choosing not to, which is quite weird, don't you think. Anyway,
As I said, the explanation may be the fact that
they're going to campaign on it. So we'll have a
chat to Cecilia Robinson, who's pushing for it when she's
with us. Listen, I've got to tell you about keV.

Speaker 13 (31:47):
keV.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Is it okay if I tell them the story about you?
I was too late now, isn't it? Yeah? But you
deserve it, Okay. So this is keV who is producing
the show because the Germans on maternity leave. keV is
going to New Plymouth for the weekend. And I bumped
into keV downstairs before work and we were just in
the same place getting something to eat, and he said
to me, I'm just I think you were texting your wife.

(32:08):
He was texting his wife. He's like, he was being
rude and texting while I was talking to him. And
then he goes, I didn't pack a bag for New Plymouth.
And I was like, hold on, aren't you leaving straight?
Like aren't they packing you up straight after work at seven?
And you're leaving then and you didn't pack a bag?

Speaker 16 (32:21):
He was like.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Nah, And I said keiv did you run out of time?
And he looked at me in the face and went no.
And I was like, well, it's like what happened. Why
if you didn't run out of why didn't you pack
a bag? And he said, Oh, Catherine will do it.
Catherine will do it. I said, I'm this lady's is

(32:47):
a man finally articulating what we all thought was happening.
We all knew this was happening. Oh, why didn't you
put your coffee cup in the dishwasher? Oh that's right.
I feel like it's because you think I'm going to
do it? Oh why didn't you put that in the
washing machine? Is that because you think? Keep said it?
He didn't pack his own bag because Catherine's gonna do
it anyway, I said, text, I'm furious. He text her.

(33:08):
She's text back. She said she's furious too. Yeah, there
we go. Why Tonguey Tribunal.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Next, the only drive show You can try to ask
the questions, you get the answers, find the fag sack
and give the analysis. Here the duplicy Ellen Drive with
One New Zealand and the power of Satellite mobile news.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
Doorgs be.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Afternoon? The White Tonguey Tribunal is calling on the government
to immediately stop its planned changes to the education Law.
The government has confirmed today that it is planning to
remove the treaty principle within the Education and Training Act.

Speaker 5 (33:47):
Now.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Doctor Claire Charters, as an associate professor and Indigenous constitutional
law expert at the University of Aucklandon with us High.

Speaker 17 (33:53):
Claire Hiaqua is the is the tribunal.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Right that this plan change is as bad as the
treaty Principal's bill.

Speaker 17 (34:02):
Look, it's a different way I think of achieving something
similar of was sharing down the I guess the legal
value of Tenidity or white Anue or the Treaty of
White Angey. It does it in slightly different ways, but
in the sense of you know, we can nan the
treaty in its law, in our constitution it does the

(34:23):
same thing.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
But how does this weaken the treaty? If you take
this treaty principle out of the Education and Training Act,
how does it work in the treaty? Mm hmm.

Speaker 17 (34:31):
So it weakens the requirement for the executive the government
to comply with Toddits or white Tongey.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Okay, except it is not requiring the executive in this
piece of law, it is requiring school boards.

Speaker 17 (34:46):
Oh you're talking about school board this particular piece of legislation. Yes,
so in the case of school boards, so yeah, obviously,
if they are under a obligation to you know, take
into account or have regard to to to your white tonguey,
and you are no longer requiring that. Obviously, that is
a that is a diminishment of the requirement to to

(35:09):
think about.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
But only if there is a practical outcome of having regard,
Because I mean if you put you put yourself in
the position of being on a school board and then
you're now.

Speaker 17 (35:18):
Thinking about the school board finally enough, So.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
How does it practically having a quick think about the treaty?
How does that practically change the way that you run
your school? Mm hmmm.

Speaker 17 (35:29):
So you know school boards and again I'm not an
expert on legislation around school boards, but you know, school
boards to all make all sorts of important decisions, right.
So they make decisions with respect to who to employ,
They make decisions with respect to should you have tea
hunger as part of your daily you know life in

(35:50):
a school. They you make decisions about how much I
guess to tell it to your white tongue, you should
influence your decision making as a board. So you know,
there's lots of ways in which today to your white
and you can color you know what you do.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Okay, I'll come back at you with two things on
that number one. The first thing is school boards should
be predominantly preoccupied with trying to get their kids educated,
nothing else, or that most important thing is are the
kids turning up and passing the n CEA or all
the grades or whatever. Second thing is the treaty doesn't
bind a school board. It binds the crown. So why
what like is there any logic to them binding every

(36:28):
other dude out there when actually it should be the
crown who's in the partnership if we call.

Speaker 17 (36:32):
That PARSI, yeah, I mean good good questions, et cetera.
So in the in the first instance, so if you know,
I mean, there's obviously clearly different views about you know,
what school what the priorities of school board should be.
But absolutely, of course, getting getting kids educated and inside
the school et cetera incredibly important because you can't do

(36:53):
much teaching unless they are there. But you know, like
when you when you understand that Mardi toeta students do
better when they taught and to do a Mardi in
many instances, then that is something that if you're looking
for outcomes, you should take into account and obviously or
have regard to or give respect to. And obviously to

(37:14):
say to a white tongue would color that, right, Like
if you're looking for better outcomes for our tro on
New Zealand in fact, and this is the case that
that we do better when you know where there's education
to do a Mardi, then totally relevant.

Speaker 4 (37:27):
Right.

Speaker 17 (37:28):
So the second thing you you raised this, well, school
boards are not the crown should should bind the crown.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
You know, there's lots of sort.

Speaker 17 (37:35):
Of constitutional matters that we could go into, but the but,
but the point is basically that school boards are exercising
powers that of government. Right, that they are doing really
important questions of government and especially in the realm of education. Right,
that's that's arguably a public good and something that is

(37:55):
so essential for a nation as a whole. And it's
andre actively delegating those obligations by you know, set out
in situslation to have school boards. And you know we've
had this this SNA. I think when it was tomorrow's
schools a lot while ago now, but that's that's been
the case for some time. So they are in that
sense exercising government as the Crown does, but in a

(38:20):
very specific scenario of course, so they're exercising those powers.
So you know, they are in that sense kind of
clanking in that way.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
It's been lovely to talk to you. Thank you very
much for coming on the show. I do appreciate it.
As doctor Clare Charter's indigenous constitutional law expert at the
University of Auckland. Twelve Paths National Party has confirmed it
is pausing its work on a law to ban social
media for under sixteen. Cecilia Robinson is the co chair
of the Child Online Safety Advocacy Group Before sixteen and
with us Cecilia, Hello, Hi have that Why are they

(38:49):
pausing this work? Is this because they're planning to campaign
on it?

Speaker 18 (38:53):
So can I just feel really clear that that headline
is misleading. The work has not stopped, but what has
happened is that the individual private member's bill has been
put on hold while the government is working for a
larger process which includes a bipartisan process alongside labor. So
this is actually a positive news story today because what
we're seeing is that National and Labor are working together

(39:16):
to deliver on the commitment which they've been signaling for
the last six months. Okay, so we're actually really pleased
with this outcome, and it's it's clear that we've got
strong bipartisan momentum from this week in Parliament and so
it's been quite frustrating today to see the headlines which
are not consistent of actually what's happening behind them quite clearly.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Okay, so what is your understanding of the deadline with
which they're working.

Speaker 18 (39:39):
Well, I think the public deadline has been that they're
working towards having something in place in advance of their election,
which has been incredibly clear and consistently signaled. But what
we have to understand is that the issue has moved
while passed where Catherine we had submitted her bill over
a year ago, and public understanding has shifted significantly, and
we're seeing at global movements now. You know, for example,

(40:00):
Meta has done then held to account in the US
for their conduct and actually this has become more complicated
which requires bipartisan support. So we're actually superfilled and really
comfortable about the fact that Labor and nationalaw to really
see the issue here and actually working constructively together on
a solution.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
So how confident are you this thing gets passed before
the election.

Speaker 18 (40:24):
I've got a high degree of confidence that this will
pass before the election.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Good stuff. You've filled me with some confidence there. Thank you, Cecilia,
appreciate it, Cecilia Robinson before sixteen co chair, Hither I
predict that Kiaran macnaughty will be the leader of Labor
for their next election. Hipkins Oh for this election, bold
cool Greenville for this election. Chippy will exit stage left soon. Well, okay,

(40:47):
complications or should I run you through them? I'll run
you through the complications with that theory before half passed.
But I like where you're going, see the logic. We'll
come back to that fourteen past.

Speaker 6 (40:57):
Right.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Let's be honest. If you run a small business going
with the chief, this option doesn't always work out that
way and the long run, does it, Especially when it
comes to you telcocastaying connected isn't optional because when it
doesn't work, it's not just annoying. It costs you time
and customers and a whole lot of patients, which is
why this is interesting. One new Zealand is rated number
one for small business customer satisfaction in Tellercommunications by Canstar

(41:19):
Blue for twenty twenty five. So it's not just about
who's shouting the lowest price, is it. It's about who
actually delivers when it matters. The network, the support, getting
things sorted quickly, all the stuff that you don't think
about until it goes wrong, and when you're running a business,
that's the stuff that really counts. So this is worth
keeping in mind. One New Zealand rated number one for
small business customer satisfaction and you can find out more

(41:42):
at one dot enz Forward Slash Business Together Do for
CLA eighteen past five. Now, the talk of our office
in the last few days is the glow up that
the Maori Queen has had. She's over in London. She's
met with Prince Charles, King Charles rather met with Prince
William and she has looked awesome. Attatakanawa is a Maori
fashion expert, the co founder of the co founder of
Metal Murder, the Indigenous Maori Fashion Apparel Board, and is

(42:05):
with us Ayata.

Speaker 19 (42:07):
Kyoda Kyoda.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Have you noticed the glow up?

Speaker 20 (42:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (42:12):
And it's interesting because I noticed things but it didn't
kind of verbalize it, and it wasn't all sam rang
that I thought. Yeah, I noticed things like I was
surprised that she wasn't that much shorter than Prince William
but taller than from King Charles. Oh yeah, yeah that

(42:36):
was the first thing.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Now, Now, look, I mean what you'd say about her,
because she has definitely like in terms of what she's wearing,
it is so much better than her grandmother. It is
so much better than her dad. It is. It is
even you could say if you go back four years
last time she's in London, it's even better than that.
So it feels like it's a really concerted effort in
social media age to look really awesome for people. I mean,

(43:00):
is that going to get her more followers because she
looks awesome?

Speaker 19 (43:05):
I think the fact that she's she's younger in this
throle means that she's there there will be an expectation
that she looks younger.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
You know, it's more on her grandma.

Speaker 19 (43:23):
Yeah, her grandmother was was well dressed, but she was
like middle aged woman. Yeah, and her father was was
a dad bloke, kind of ordinary guy, so no one
had expectations. But she she has come into her own.
I thought she held her own really well. She looked

(43:45):
as though she held her own. And I love the
fact that she's adopted a very classic kind of safe look.
But also you know, she's wearing a whi. You know,
as far as the cessories go, they don't get much
bigger than that. And she's also got talmoker on her

(44:08):
wrists as well.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
You don't need any you don't need to make your
look look indigenous when you've already got a muka car.
Why do you can you see something for us? We
can't decide in the handbag is just a little clutch
or a ketty? What's going on?

Speaker 19 (44:23):
No, it's a it's a mooka kitty and it's got
thrums on it, or what we call hooker hooker. They
aren't normally that long, so it's what you'd see on
a quarter way, except that they're in the same color
as the mooka as opposed to when you see them
on a corter.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Why they're dyed black.

Speaker 19 (44:44):
So it's it's a temporary design, but it's it's an
authentic mooka kitty.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Looks good.

Speaker 19 (44:50):
I try to find out actually whether it was perhaps
her mum's but I wasn't successful.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Thank you for making the effort for us. I really
appreciate it. That's the common one. The guys we called the
Queen's people and they told us she's actually traveling with
like quite a contingent of people who are glowing her
up on a daily basis, So this is not by
accident at all anyway. Greenville's text on Chippy and Kieren
macinnaughty will deal with that just before we'll do it
in the next ten minutes.

Speaker 6 (45:20):
Eight.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
It's twenty one past five.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen
Drive with one New Zealand hand of power of Satellite
Mobile News Talks the'd be.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
He's almost forgot to tell you. C J Bot, the
captain of the Wellington Phoenix women's team, is going to
be with us after half us five to talk about
their grand final tomorrow five point twenty four. Now, I
don't know if you're aware of this, but there is
a nationwide protest that's planned tomorrow about the price of fuel.
It's apparently going to take place in fifty different townshend centers,
around this country. Auckland, Munga Fi, Tekawit, Team Muchuweka and

(45:54):
Vikagol Duga all Thames name it. It's going to be there.
Organizers say they're doing this because they want the government
to cut the fuel excise tax like Australia and Ireland
have done since the Iran War kicked off, and like
Grant Robertson did and then did again, and then did
again after the COVID created cost of living crisis. Now,
credit to this government that we've got at the moment.

(46:15):
So far they've resisted the temptation to do this because,
as we know, doing this actually creates more problems than
it solves. It pushes up inflation, which we already have
on the rise in the country. Again, it racks up
a huge amount of debt because it's untargeted, because everyone
gets it, rich and poor alike. And we already have
so much debt now that the ratings agencies are threatening
to downgrade us next year, and it means we haven't

(46:35):
got money to build new roads, which is what that
tax is for, which is why Chris Bishop is already
downsizing the roads of national significance. Because the tax hasn't
been increased in six years, and it will shortly be
in seven as well. And I say this as someone
who in principle actually supports this tax being dropped because
I hate paying tax and because I want struggling families
to be helped. But I think Nikola Willis's tax adjustment

(46:56):
in Working for Families might have been a smarter way
to do it when she did it. I just wonder, though,
if the organizers already know all of this, and if
the price of fuel is really just an excuse to
get out in protest about the other thing that they
say they're grumpy about, which is the government in general.
Is that maybe the real reason why they're out there,
they're really angry about the government in general. And look,

(47:16):
we can all be a little bit grumpy about the
government in general, and from time to time we all are,
but not many of us would demonstrate that by using
fuel to drive to a protest about the price of fuel.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Heather do for see Allen right.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
The prediction from Grenville that McNulty's going to be leader
for the election in Hipkins is going to exit stage
left soon. Look, I don't hate this as an idea,
and I think it has to be a possibility because
Chippy can't win this election and they are deluding them.
Clearly they're deluded, right. Chippy coming on the show and
telling us that no one in Allckland cares about the
lockdowns is just completely deluded. So they're in a weird

(47:52):
little form of self a little form of denial in
the Labor Party, and they're looking at their Talbot Mills
pole which came out yesterday. Oh look we're I'm thirty
sive all. Look the National's zoning on twenty nine. We're
going to win. No, no, no, you're not made Because
the reason they're not going to win is because Chippy
hasn't said anything right. He's largely kept his mouth shut,
so we can project all of the nice things we
like onto Chippy. Problem is, Chippy can't do this all

(48:13):
the way through to the election. So the minute he
starts talking like he did yesterday, we get angry all
over again with them, and we are reminded of all
the crap that he did to us. And it's a
long list. And so he won't win the election. So
does he stand aside? And Kieren macinaulty comes in. Now, Kieren,
he could he's just had a baby four months ago,
so you know I'd be pretty grumpy if he if

(48:33):
he's my husband, I'd be saying, no, you're not doing that. Well,
we've got a newborn. But you know Jacinda did it.
If Kieren isn't the leader this election, I'm happy to
take a bet with you that he's the leader next election.
So I'd go more likely twenty nine outside chance. Twenty
six News is.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Next, hard questions, strong opinion here the duplicy Ellen drive
with one New Zealand hand of power of satellite mobile News.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
Doorgs be.

Speaker 21 (49:06):
Right?

Speaker 2 (49:07):
After six o'clock. We're going to try and figure out
what the heck has gone wrong for me, both the
car sharing business because it's a great idea but it
didn't work. Did it not work because it's not a
good idea, or did not work because something weird happened
with that business? As I say, deal with it after six.
Sportthardle is standing by right now. It's twenty five to six.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Now.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
The Wellington Phoenix women's team might actually be the sports
story of the year. They have gone from a wooden
spoon team to making the Grand Final tomorrow, which makes
them the first Kiwi team to ever make the A
League Final. CJ. Bot is the team's captain. High CJ.

Speaker 22 (49:37):
Hello, how are you going?

Speaker 2 (49:38):
I'm well, thank you, but this is extraordinary, a like
Wooden Spoon all the way through to this position. Can
we put this down to.

Speaker 22 (49:43):
Bev I think so, honestly. I mean, it's definitely a combination.
But she's definitely part of the winning formula for sure.
The team she's created, the culture she's created, her tactics,
just her leadership style is amazing and I'm definitely very
grateful to have been a part of it, even if
it was just a short, short stint.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
What has she done differently that's just had such an
extraordinary impact on players.

Speaker 22 (50:07):
I think she just got this incredible of kind of
creating a balancing act. She's very, I suppose intense when
she's coaching, because she's passionate about what she's doing, but
there's a lot of thought that goes behind it, and
I think she definitely takes account for the squad that
she's got. I've had coaches in the past that kind
of come in with their own tactics before they've considered
the squad, and so she's just created such a great

(50:31):
playing model and a great I guess tactical understanding for
throughout the team based on the team that we have.
And then I mean as we play as well, there's
games where we've got this entire tactical plan and then
part way through she's like, nap, scrap it, Like she
doesn't have an ego in that regard, and I think
it's just worked.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Yeah, as being able to read the game as well. Ah,
were you part of the team. I'm sorry to do
this to you, Ceeja, but were you part of the
Olympic team that she and Canada spired on. I was
part of that team, So no hard feelings about that then, No, I.

Speaker 22 (51:05):
Mean what's done is done. She we we've spoken about
it quite honestly and openly, and it's yeah, what's done
is done, like I say, And she had her period
of stand down time, and I'm grateful she's here.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
I mean, in a weird way. Isn't that Like, isn't
that calmer at work? The team that got got done
over by her ends up being the team that, like
we end up being the country that benefits from that.

Speaker 22 (51:29):
It's something I don't know what it is, but it
does make me laugh sometimes. But like I said, can
I say I'm grateful for it?

Speaker 23 (51:36):
I don't know. Yeah not?

Speaker 2 (51:38):
But why for you guys?

Speaker 3 (51:41):
Now?

Speaker 2 (51:41):
How much does it suck to be on maternity to
maternity leave right now?

Speaker 22 (51:46):
I mean, as excited I am to meet my baby
in a few months, I would definitely love to be
taking the field with those girls and leading them out.
So it's definitely hard watching, But at the same time,
I'm so excited for them and like sod to be
their captain, even if it is from the sidelines.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Now, how do you rate their chances? Be honest with me,
because you know they're probably training right now, not listening,
So how do you rate their chances against Melbourne?

Speaker 22 (52:12):
Pretty high? I think we've had two games, two tight
games against in the season that we haven't won. I
think I've seen some stats where we haven't beaten them
in nine games or something like that. So I think
we're definitely going in as the underdogs. But New Zealand's
good at being underdogs and this team has proven time
and time again that if we show up on the
day then we can absolutely do anything. And I have

(52:33):
nothing but faith and these girls brilliant.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
I'm so pleased to hear that, CJ. Enjoy your maternity
leave and go the squad. CJ. Bot who is the
captain sitting it out twenty one away from six the.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Friday Sports title with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, a
name you can trust locally and globally.

Speaker 5 (52:57):
We have to need everything out there, nor regrets. We're
in a moment of time where this dress and room,
this group of stuff, everyone will never be in the
same room again, and you have to grub that.

Speaker 7 (53:08):
I know Dave pretty well and I respect the man immensely,
and as I said, I feel very fortunate to be
asked to help out in a small way.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Steve, this is silly, isn't it. I mean you can't
have two meet long men sitting in premium economy for
a trip to South Africa?

Speaker 11 (53:22):
Can you excuse upon?

Speaker 6 (53:24):
But it would be a bit of a stretch.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Sports title with us Elliot Smith Newstalk Zi'dby rugby editor
and Levina Good sports journalist. How are you too, right, Levina?
Rate the chances are they going to win it?

Speaker 23 (53:38):
I really like CJ.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Bott.

Speaker 23 (53:39):
I thought she really kind of I don't know. There
was something about that interview Heather that made me think
there is a chance, there's a true chance. But I
think sports fans in New Zealand in general should just
stand tall for me personally, Heather and Elliott, this is
one of the best sporting stories New Zealand has had
in many years. And we all know, if you know,

(54:00):
you think about Bev Priestman, she arrived not just with
pressure and scrutiny, but if you take that out of it,
it's like the club embraced her and as a result,
rather than transforming their performance, they transformed their culture. And
as a result of that, they became more competitive. And
I don't mean to sound condescending by saying this, and
I know every time you say that people are you

(54:21):
going to sound condescending. But she's like our very own
ted Lesso, you know what I mean. She's transformed that
team to believe in themselves and now the performance is
showing and they've got a chance. I agree with her jokes.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Yeah, well, and here we go, because this is the
argument I'd been making Elliott. If they could make if
they could make ted Lesso into a Netflix series, surely
they can make this squad into Wanto.

Speaker 4 (54:42):
Well.

Speaker 20 (54:42):
It's got their feel about it. Doesn't it. There's sort
of movie or TV show feel, you know, the redemption
arc for the coach, and what a redemption arc it
would be to come out of suspension and win a
title in her first campaign back. She's given that sense
of believe. She's recruited very very well. I mean one
of the imports that she got mid season due to
an injury to another import. Bag the two goals last

(55:04):
weekend in front of that patched crowd, there seems to
be innate sense of belief is that word again? With
this team and the way that they're talking CJ Bot
talking members of the squad this week that there's a
pretty steely determination that they're going to come back with
the trophy. So let's hope they do.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Yeah, fingers cross now, Okay, Elvinia, this is your favorite
subject in the whole world, which is the Warriors. Obviously, Yeah, obviously, mate, Obviously,
here we go. Is Luke Metcalf going to the Dragon's
a good move for him.

Speaker 23 (55:36):
I really thought about this a lot heaps this week, Heather.
I actually don't hate this move for him. I think
as rugby league fans, we need to, I don't know,
remind ourselves that players need to back themselves and think
of themselves. I mean, he was on the highest paid
rugby league player at the Warriors nine hundred and fifty
maybe close to a million bucks. But unless you want

(55:58):
to spend your time or your whole career as the
other player, is that enough money to settle you? And
I think the Warriors will work out how to kind
of retain. There are other half like Chanel, Harris, Devita
and to Mighty Martin. But the big thing for me is,
let's remember Tanner Boyd last year, so Metcalf got injured,
Tanner Boyd came in and no one had ever heard

(56:18):
of him, seen him. He's a little pinte size, little
half back roll like what's going on? Miss is a
kick right in front and it was, oh my goodness,
who is this geezer? Like this is not going to happen,
not going to happen. But because like honestly to Webster's defense,
he had a cordator a little conversation with him at
the end of the season and said, Webster's injured, and

(56:40):
you are my main man, like Tana, you're my main man.
And as a result of that, he's the top guy
from the Warriors, And personally I'm I'm happy that in
a way Metcalf is moving on for him, and I'm
even happier happier that Tanner Boyd is staying for the
Warriors for another few years.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Yeah, I mean, Elliott. The problem is you often you
become a better player by you're better Anybody is improved
by the performance of the people around them, right, So
if you've got people around you who are awesome, you're
going to get better at your job. The Dragon's not great,
So is it actually going to make them a better player?

Speaker 20 (57:16):
No, But they've a recruited, They've got some recruits coming
in next year that I think will improve them along
with Metcalf. So and things can change very very quickly
in the NRL. You know, the Warriors have built over,
you know, twenty four months or so from where they
have been maybe a bit longer, you know, when they
came out of COVID into the kind of team that
they are now. What I do like about the Warriors

(57:36):
And look, you know they've become sort of accustomed to
their Australian players walking out on them, but they sort
of now taken in their stride a little bit and
go Okay, well, if you don't want to be here,
we'll let you leave. We've got someone else coming through
that's going to pick up the job and move on
from here. So they don't drop their lip. I don't
think maybe as they previously might have done, or worry

(57:57):
about what this is going to do to the team.
It's like, all right, we'll see it. You can leave
at the end of the year and we'll move on.
You know, the NROL contracting system is a little bit
weird in the fact that you can sign you know,
this far in advance or longer, but you know, it
gives the Warriors a bit of certainty and they're going
to have about nine hundred k come off the salary
that they can invest into their right talent or look

(58:17):
to bring other players in from other clubs.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Yeah, not a bad point. All right, guys, I want
to talk to you about Eddie Jones next stand by
Sixteennyway from.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Six the Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
Realty, the only truly global brand.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
You're back with the Sports Huddle, Elliott Smith and Lavin
A good right, Elliott. The argument was put to me
this week I think it's by Darcy. Actually it's name
and Shaman. The argument was put that because people like
Eddie Jones shout at refs, parents like the parents in Ycuttle,
end up punching kids in the face and doing headlock.
I don't agree with that at all. Do you agree
with that?

Speaker 20 (58:50):
I don't because there's so rare in rugby and other sports,
especially in this part of the world, that we have
those professional coaches having a crack at the referees. Not
to condone any Jones's behavior and the slightest, but I
think there's more of a correlation between parents and social
media and various other things than what we see from

(59:10):
professional coaches and their attitude towards the referees. They usually,
you know, toe a very very delicate line around the referees,
and it's not usually in game. It's maybe at the
media conference afterwards where they might make a veiled remark
or something like that. But I don't think that is
necessarily the case. The thing with Eddie Jones is there's
always some sort of ul terrior motive to his behavior.
This has gone back, you know, the last twenty five

(59:33):
years of him coaching. It's always something it's always distraction tactics.
So wait and see what Eddie Jones does in the
next six to twelve months, because this is probably a
distraction from what is coming next to him, whether it's
leaving Japan or something like that. So no, I don't
think there is a correlation necessarily between the two.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Okay, thank you. So then, Levina, why is it that
parents are doing this? What's going on?

Speaker 23 (59:54):
It's a tough one, I reckon. I don't see the
danger in one or two incidences in terms of elite level,
et cetera, et cetera. But I kind of fell alarm
bells going off where there's a slow kind of normalization
of ugly events, and this is an ugly event. And
I'm also a little bit relieved that New Zealand Rugby

(01:00:16):
knows that grass grassroots sport only works when adults remember
the game is actually for the kids. And on that note,
I mean, why would you not think about Sir Graham Henry.
He wouldn't be doing anything like that, would he ether?

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
No, what do you mean shouting at people?

Speaker 23 (01:00:32):
No? No, no, shouting at people and kids and games
and stuff. I just feel as though I feel as
though New Zealand rugby has a really good philosophy when
it comes to grassroots sport, and that is, let's respect
the referees, let's respect the kids, let's not degrade ourselves.
And yeah, I don't know, like the elite coaches, for whatever,
they might think, they can support themselves in doing their actions.

(01:00:55):
But I also think I don't know, there's a behavior.
There's a behavior at the top level that exists a
vacuum and if it trickles down, it's really dangerous. We
don't really have that head now.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
On the subject of Ted Elliott, are you surprised that Ted?
Basically the reason Ted has not been involved with the
All Blacks is because no one asked him. If we
just asked him earlier, he would have come and out.

Speaker 16 (01:01:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:01:18):
Maybe, Look, perhaps everyone just thought he's quite happy over
on wy Heki drinking his wine and not being involved,
and maybe, you know, people are a right to think that. Look,
I think it's a good move from Dave Renny getting
him involved. I think what was missing in the Scott
robertson Aaral era was that outside voice, that descending view

(01:01:38):
or different view perhaps around the game. And you know,
modern coaches are so driven by stats and data and
various other things, and they also spend a lot of
time with these players. You have someone that's more on
the outside, that has just you know, got the eye
test really that can push back at them. I think
it's a good move, and it kind of needs to
be someone like a Sir Graham Henry that is sort

(01:01:59):
of you know, you know, seemi retired or doing their
own thing, that has the time to sit down and
watch all those games and perhaps doesn't have the aspirations
to be a coach, that can devote their time to
this role.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Lavina, what do you make of this discussion about the
all blacks being forced back into premium economy. That's ridiculous,
isn't it.

Speaker 23 (01:02:16):
Oh God, it's interesting, isn't it. I mean, they're so tall,
aren't they, Heather? Yeah, they are. I think, look elite athletes.
I've just hopped off an international flight and I am
knack and mate, and I'm no elite athletes. Mate. It
was way up the back and I got a chicken sandwich.
So hey, Heather, I was way up the back and

(01:02:37):
I got a chicken sandwich. But the thing is for me,
I don't know, you think about elead athletes and what
they're trying to achieve. And I honestly think people or
the fans, or the public or the listeners right now,
they'll tolerate luxury and when it comes down to performance,
But when the issue becomes corporate, it's a whole different story.

(01:02:58):
And you know, do you want your physio and your
nutritionists and everyone flying a certain class where it costs
more money. Probably not, because they're not on the pitch.
If they're on the pitch, Yeah, if they're on the pitch,
then yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Can you're doing a segregation here? You're doing it a
post Yeah, I appreciate that, mate, all right, Elliott. It
does beg the question, though, why on Earth they're taking
the entire town of Tikouwiti on the plane, Because that
is a massive squad, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
It's a massive is it a big squad?

Speaker 20 (01:03:24):
And they've got a lot of people that contribute in
terms of management as well. But if you want the
All Blacks to get back to being the best in
the world, you've got to have the right resources in
place and the right people. And I think the game
has changed so much now in terms of world sport.
You look at those NFL teams and the kind of
players and management they have Premier league sides. This is

(01:03:45):
the way of it that it's so you know, drilled
down to various specific things that each member of the
management does. They all come on the trip and you know,
I think they if they're going to perform better by
being and you know, the onto the plane, then why not. Look,
I think it's all about conditioning them and getting them
right there ready to go. And I think ultimately that's

(01:04:06):
probably where New Zealand Rugby is landing and has landed
and then probably will continue to land because these teams
are we'll bring in the money. So you're going to
spend a bit of money to make money.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Yeah, too right, we can't be stingy about it. Hey guys,
it's good to talk to you. Enjoy your week in
a sport that's living a good and Elliott Smith and
by the way, Auckland f C is playing at semi final.
I think is it against Adelaide Adelaide at nine thirty
five this evening, seven away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
It's the Heather duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast
on my Heart Radio powered by News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Heather I never thought i'd hear you being so so
pro bevolution evolution. Bevolution is a reference to bev Priestman
and the revolution she's caused to the Phoenix. But here's
the thing. I actually I am pro evolution. I love
a good story, and I take issue with the person
who said that it would be a really crap Netflix film.
I reckon it'll be quite good. But I actually thought
answered made Bevolution up. But I was secretly quite pleased

(01:04:58):
about that. I thought Jesus quite clever from you, Ants.
But no, he tells me he.

Speaker 11 (01:05:02):
Saw it, didn't make it up. It's far too good
for me.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Yeah, he didn't like you, Steve. He saw it on
the banner at the game. Now I've got a parking
outrage for you. You want to hear this one.

Speaker 22 (01:05:11):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
So there's a man who owns a silver Lexus and
it's got the number plate snall Axe. I pronounce it yet,
got that right?

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
S n o r l ex snorll Ax is a
Pokemon character, which is why I had to double check
it with Ants. Anyway, he's been given three parking finds
by the parking company Smart Smart Compliance Management for exceeding
the maximum amount of time that he was allowed to
stay at the doctor's Apollo Medical Center in Rosedale. Problem was,
it wasn't him parking there, it was another car with

(01:05:39):
the license plate snorll Axe s N zero r l
X zero and he had a o. Anyway, he got
two tickets in December, so he appealed and he won,
and then he was thinking about it and he was
actually really annoyed that the company Smart Compliance had managed
to get his personal information through NZTA in order to
send him the tickets, because he'd never parked there, so

(01:06:00):
he'd never agreed to the terms and conditions and given
them permission to access his personal information through NZTA. So
he complained to NZTA, and NZTA wrote back to him
and said it had got in touch with Smart Compliance
as owners and they've confirmed the error and they said
that his details have been purged from their parking system.
But then he got another ticket in March, so they
hadn't purged his details, had they, And to top it off,

(01:06:22):
they then said to him he better pay up with
the debt collectors would soon be involved. Anyway, all's well,
that ends well, because obviously he got off the three
tickets However, like him, I am so irritated that NZTA
gives our personal information to parking companies. Who are the
worst companies in the country, are they not? I mean, look,
obviously there are a few that are worse than them,
but they're such bullies. I would just love it if

(01:06:44):
MZTA would say, nah, you're not allowed that info. Mevo.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Next, what Queer Business com meets Insight the business hours
with Heather due to Clan and mas insurance and investments,
your futures in good hands, News talks there be.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Even in coming up in the next hour, We're going
to get Peter Lewis's take on what Jijiping is planning
for Taiwan post that meeting with Trump. Barry So Paul
wrap the political week that was for us in Gavin
Gray will talk us through it all, closing in on
Kiir Starma. At the moment, it's seven past six. Now
can we car share business? Mevo has gone into liquidation.
Mivo is basically like an e scooter rental business, but

(01:07:25):
instead of an escooter, you rent a whole car. You
download the app, you book one of the cars that've
got parked around Auckland or Wellington and then you find
the car, unlock it and drive it around for as
long as you need, but not anymore of course, because
Mevo has been in trouble for a while, went into
voluntary administration back in March and it's now in liquidation.
Paul Spain is the CEO of Guerrilla Technology and is
with us now. Hi Paul, Hi, hen, how are you

(01:07:47):
very well? Thanks?

Speaker 16 (01:07:47):
Mate?

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Now what do you think has gone wrong here? Is
this a bad idea or is it just a business
that had some bad luckle was badly run.

Speaker 12 (01:07:55):
It's probably a combination. I mean, we've seen these sort
of car sharing firms pop up around the world, and
you know, they fit into a sort of a tech
startup type category. They need to innovate and deliver good,
reliable technology, but quite capital intensive because they need a

(01:08:17):
big fleet of vehicles, and that was part of the
problem for Mevo, especially because they leant in on electric vehicles,
so they had you know, a bunch of Tesla's and
by D vehicles and a leasing arrangement for those, and

(01:08:38):
then they got into trouble with their leasing partner, which
obviously you know, didn't help. If they don't have the
cars to make available.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Do you think that they would have been better off
going for ice vehicles not electric vehicles.

Speaker 12 (01:08:52):
Yeah, I think that's that is probably the general consensus
is that, you know, if they had gone for lower
lost vehicles that may have been you know, half the cost,
then they would have you know, either been able to
bring down their their their overall leasing costs or have
access to to a bigger a bigger fleet. And so, yeah,

(01:09:15):
I think that that was probably one of the one
of the challenges, and that's a timing thing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
Yeah, because this is one of the issues that they
ran into, am I right in thinking that their entire
fleet was leased from one place rather than having eggs
and multiple baskets.

Speaker 12 (01:09:29):
I'm not sure, but I think, you know, certainly there
was there was a large amount from one company. Yeah,
and and and then there was the situation with the
crowd funding that they that they you know, they just
raised you know, quite quite soon before going into voluntary administration.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
There were Paul, there will have to be some questions
about director's duties being being complied with. Surely if they're
raising that significant amount of money and then tipping into
into what was it administration basically immediately thereafter.

Speaker 12 (01:10:05):
Yeah, Yeah, I mean they were they were raising I
think it was, you know, around two point two two
point three million, uh no, three three point three point
three million, So they raised more than they were their
initial target. And this was based on a twenty five
million dollar valuation. And you know, now it's it's it's

(01:10:28):
you know worth pennies and the dollar I'm imagining. So
not a great situation for investors at all.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
No, Now there are a couple of other companies aren't
there doing this as well and still going at it
and doing better than Mevo obviously.

Speaker 12 (01:10:44):
Yeah, and there tends to be some you know, some
variation in the models. I think, you know, City Hop,
you know one that we've you know, we've we've seen operating,
and you know, they they they have the benefit of
being owned by Toyota. So when you've got a car manufacturer,
you know, behind you, then obviously that's in Toyota is

(01:11:08):
interested to be using keeping their vehicles out and they're
they're they're big enough to keep to keep funding it,
you know, even if it's not the perfect business model.
Whereas that's that's obviously, you know, not not the case
with a you know, a smaller startup type operation.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Yeah, Paul, thank you for talking us through that man appreciated.
That's Paul Spain, Guerrilla Technology CEO. I reckon you might
be surprised where it is that wealthy foreigners wanting to
come in on the Golden visa are looking to buy,
because you probably, like me, your first inclination would be like, well,
obviously Auckland and obviously Queenstown. Yeah, but no not Actually

(01:11:49):
there are there are regions that they're more interested in
going to, and it's actually Wellington of all places in Canterbury.
So trade me as data which records the search is
on a high end houses. The foreigners were given permission
because remember the foreigners previously they couldn't play anything under
fifteen mil, and then it was dropped last year to
five mil. And since then trade me has been tracking

(01:12:09):
what's been going on with the searchers. They show Wellington
has recorded an eighty three percent increase in interest, Canterbury
seventy three percent increase, then the Bay of twenty sixty
eight percent, and only then Otargo at forty eight percent,
then Northland at forty six percent, and only then Auckland
at forty one percent. Isn't that interesting? Thirteen parsix. Oh,
let me give you the numbers before I forget ends

(01:12:31):
at X fifty down zero point four six percent. Today's well,
so half a percentage point, ASX fifty is down about
point two percent so far. Today, a barrel of Brent
crude oil now costs one hundred and eight US dollars.
That's up nearly two percent today. One New Zealand dollar
is worth fifty nine US cents, eighty two ozsie cents,
fifty one euro cents, forty eight UK pence and ninety
three yen barrieso persent next thirteen pars six.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
It's the Heather du Per c Allen Drive Full Show
podcast on my Heart Radio.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
It by newstalg ZBI VIVL Cinema.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
The Lorrel Group French Film Festival is back from May
twenty seven to June twenty eight, and it has grown
to become the most important French winter event in New Zealand.
Now every year, the Lorrel Group French Film Festival brings
you the best of and the most exciting French cinema
from around the French speaking world, from Ketty Kitty to Dunedin.
There are twenty four centers across New Zealand that'll take

(01:13:24):
you on an incredible journey through cinema Frontseai carefully curated
to tell rich stories, to showcase fresh perspectives and capture
the unmistakable Joi de de viv of French cinema. The
twenty four films in this year's program truly have something
for every cinephile. The Loril Group French Film Festival altiat
or A twenty twenty six is a perfect winter's escape,

(01:13:44):
so check out the lineup. You'll find it at French
Film Festival dot co dot nz only with news talg
ZB Heather Duplasy Allen seventeen pass six. Let's wrap the
political week that was with Barisoba, our senior political correspondent.
Welcome back Barrel Marriage. You know what if let's pick
a polita of the week this week, it beat Wayne
Brown because he has really dropped the government in it,

(01:14:06):
announcing that there revealing that they paid three million dollars
for a washed up pop star from the nineties.

Speaker 13 (01:14:12):
Yeah, but I would have thought you would have nominated
Tippy Chris Utkins for boiling your blood. Soon for him,
if you want to be successful in politics, Wayne Brown
told stuff Lloyd Byrne. It's easy. Don't mince your word.
Have her listen to the mild mannered Maya's musings.

Speaker 16 (01:14:32):
If you've got clear policies and stick to them and
tell the unvarnished truth, people will vote for you. My
dad told me something, he said, always tell the truth.
That way you can remember what you said. And so
I just say the unvarnished truth. And sometimes it hurts
for other people. Sometimes you have Some people are quite
surprised at learning their idiots. But it was a public
service to tell them because in case they didn't realize

(01:14:52):
they were. For quite a while, I had trouble with
my media stuff. They're trying to protect me from being myself.
People quite like it, and I didn't do it to
be like. I just do it because that's the right
way to do it. I'm telling the truth, regardless of
outspoken and willington like i't mean it for ten years.
I'm worried that stupid thinking might be contagious. I wonder

(01:15:15):
what he really thinks.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
Now, what is he eating something while he's talking?

Speaker 13 (01:15:19):
He's eating potato, Chris, Oh, so, as dchers are crushing against.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
These I don't think that ds no, but you know
what he has. Actually, I don't know if people realize
he's made a bunch of people really angry this week,
but revealing the three million dollars.

Speaker 13 (01:15:34):
I've seen him in social situations and I've got to
say Wayne speaks his mind, and even if if it
is full of profanities, he does it. He you know,
he's cooled.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Well, he's rude.

Speaker 13 (01:15:47):
The odd name, he's rude, a word that I never used.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
But yes, I think he drops the sea bomb.

Speaker 13 (01:15:54):
He called me a good old yea GC lord.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Okay, what do you make of the polls this week?
I mean, National is sort of it's comfortable, I suppose
ish on having gone up from the real low that
the Taxpayers Union put them on. But it's all that great.

Speaker 13 (01:16:08):
Well, no, it's still, you know, hovering around thirty percent.
It's interesting though, if you have a chat to politicians
about this, particularly in National, because they've got to sort
of defend where they are because they're not going up
anytime soon. But I believe the side of the election
you will see a lift in National's vote. But what

(01:16:29):
I do is I look at it and see it
as a maturation maybe of MMP that the two main parties.
Now you've got what labor mid thirties, a national thirty.
Most main parties don't score very high in MMP if
you look at MMP overseas, because it's the peripheral parties

(01:16:51):
that have to make up a government, so there's always
a coalition and the one laughing all the way to
the ballot box and all of this is Winston Peters
and New Zealand feur. But if you look at the
pole of poles out this week, and that's the one
I think you should take the most notice of. And
it's not because of what it says, because I frankly
couldn't care less who comes into government in November. I

(01:17:14):
just hope though, that it's not going to be a
government that's capable of wrecking the economy. So you can
pick your her best bets on that one. But really,
if eighty eight percent is saying that this coalition should
be returned, I think you'll find that they'll be relatively
comfortable because on the other side you've got the Maori

(01:17:36):
Party falling apart. I think the Marray Party would do dreadfully.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
It wasn't eight percent saying it was an eighty eight
percent chance wasn't.

Speaker 13 (01:17:44):
It eighty eight percent chance.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
Of being returned? Yet, Now, what do you make of
the cutting of the operating balance?

Speaker 13 (01:17:53):
It was a probability eighty eight percent?

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
So yeah, sorry, And when I said operating balance, I
mean operating allowance. What do you make of the cutting
of that two point four down to chip point?

Speaker 13 (01:18:00):
Yeah? Not a lot in terms of money, it's not
a lot. When you talk about the overall spend of
the budget. There's a lot more there for capital spending,
and there has to be because really, we've got to
take the ball by the horns in this country and
look at infrastructure and start building big time because if

(01:18:21):
we don't, this country will go to the rack and
ruin in the end. So the capital spend, I understand,
But if you're in the government controlling the books, you've
also got to look at the other spends like health,
education and what have you, and you've got to pour
a reasonable amount into that. And that's not to say

(01:18:41):
the government isn't doing this or that governments don't do it,
but if you look at health, it's a never ending
pot that needs to be filled and because technology advances,
whereas the amount of money you've got doesn't necessarily advance
at the same.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Rate the fair point. Barry, thanks very much. Barry so,
Senior political correspondent, heither Wayne is like Trump and that's
why white males love him. I agree with you. I
would say your white male's comments is off the mark.
I think Wayne is like Trump, and that's why people
forgive him a lot of stuff. Like if other people
said what he says, he they would not get away
with it. But because he just owns it, he just
gets away with it. And I don't even think it's

(01:19:18):
just white males. Listen. Warehouse Group bit of a grind
for these guys. It's going to be a bit of
a grind byther looks things for a while. They've released
the trading update for the third quarter which ended May three.
Group sales down one point four percent. Same store sales
are flat red sheds themselves. They've experienced a two point
five percent dip in sales. Like for like, the same
store sales are basically down a percentage point. Warehouse Stationary

(01:19:40):
the sales are down also three percent. Noel Leaming has
actually been a bit of a highlight. Sales were up
but only by zero point seven percent.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
Six twenty two, crudging the numbers and getting the results.
It's Heather duper c Allen from the Business Hour with Maths,
Insurance and investments. Your futures in good hands, used talk, said.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
God goodness, I almost forgot I'm supposed to talk. I think.
Have you noticed I'm sounding funny? Yeah, I've got something
going on. It's one of these when you've got the
young kids, a just catch everything that they catch and
they pass it on to you. Anyway, I've got something
cool to tell you. Netflix has dropped a trailer today
for the series that they've got called East of Eden,
and it's got somebody in it who's quite It has

(01:20:23):
just been nominated of the Academy Awards. And I forget
what her name is, Florence Florence Pugh. I think it is. Yeah, anyway,
And why I'm telling you this is because it was
shot in Omaru. In they spent about two weeks, and
I don't think they shot the whole thing in Omoru.
They just sot some of the scenic stuff in Omoru
for two weeks in January, and it was around the
Victorian Precinct and Scottish Hall in the historical rail area

(01:20:43):
near Friendly Bay. Anyway, because the thing is actually supposed
to be set in California in the early twentieth century,
but Omaru is awesome and looks like you know, looks
like it looks, so they filmed it there anyway. The
actual So this is just the trailer that's out. The
actual series is out later this year, but keep an
eye out for it and see if you can spot
bits of Amru. And it's six twenty six.

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
There's no business like show business, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:21:08):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
So we've got an announcement on which performers going to
play the coveted halftime show for the FIFA World Cup Finals,
or should I say performers because it's actually three. We've
got Latin superstar Shakira, who you're listening to right now.
She's going to be shaking her hips alongside the Queen
of Pop, Madonna, and then those two are going to
be joined by the Korean boy band BTS. Now it's
a bit of a grab bag, right because you want

(01:21:29):
to These are three entirely different kinds of performers, So
who chose them? Chris Martin from Coldplay and as if
he couldn't be any weirder than he already is. He
made the announcement on Instagram, flanked by Sesame Street characters
and the Muppets, so everyone's invited. I guess now you
may be wandering. Aren't halftime shows supposed to be short? Yes?
That is correct. The International Football Association Board limits the

(01:21:52):
halftime performances to fifteen minutes max. But there is speculation
this may be relaxed for the big event because it's
a World Cup final. It's all going to take on
July nineteenth, but not before the opening ceremony in Mexico City,
which is headlined by the reggaeton artist Jay Belvin and
also the South African singer Tyler. That's happening June eleven,
so you can listen right now. This is it? What

(01:22:12):
is this Shakira's new anthem for the World Cup, which
is Larry Shakira and actually quite cool, isn't it? Anyway?
Peter Lewis has been watching what's been going on with
Trumpy and g and all the kind of messages low
fi we should be taking on Taiwan. He's going to

(01:22:34):
run a through it shortly. He used to exhib.

Speaker 19 (01:22:35):
Me US.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
Korea, whether it's macro micro or just plain economics. It's
all on the Business Hour with hand in Dupla and
MADS insurance and investments, your futures in good hand us
talk zivvy.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
So if you've one of the UK news you already
know where Treating has resigned. Gavin Gray will run us
through it when he's with us on all of the
drama for Kirstarma in about ten minutes time. I've got
bad news for you. I don't want to alarm you,
but if you do catch the hunter virus, if you
are unlucky enough to catch it, it may in fact
survive in human sperm for up to six years and

(01:23:25):
be transmitted that way. So as as if that story
couldn't get any worse, suggested twenty four away from seven
Peter Lewis Asia Business Correspondents with US. Hello Peter, Hello Heather.
What did you make of Jijingping's comments around Taiwan?

Speaker 24 (01:23:40):
Well, interesting, isn't it? Because we've had a second day
of meetings now between Donald Trump and Jiping. We've heard
a lots from Donald Trump about what some of the
things that he's asked for and what's been agreed, and
that includes he says, agreement on you and and the
Strait of Hormuz, although none of that has been confirmed

(01:24:03):
yet by Beijing. But for Beijing, the key thing is
what has President She asked for from Donald Trump and
what has Donald Trump agreed to give him. And we
know that Beijing has framed these talks around what it
calls the three t's, the three t's being Tariff's, technology,

(01:24:24):
and Taiwan. And we heard yesterday about Taiwan that President
She is now saying Taiwan is absolutely central to the
US China relationship. It's the most important issue now in
that relationship, and it will define going forward whether the
US and China can work together or whether they're going

(01:24:47):
to descend into acrimony and maybe even conflict. He said,
So this is really elevating the whole Taiwan issue to
more than where it was before. Before it was a
sort of an irritance in there relationship, but it wasn't
central to it, and they were able to with some
careful word and get around it. She is making it

(01:25:07):
clear now that Taiwan is their number one priority, the
number one red line that hasn't been crossed. So the
key thing is what is Donald Trump said in return
about this? He hasn't answered the question from reporters about
what did you agree with him on Taiwan, and the
fear among Asian capitals and particularly in Taiwan itself, of course,

(01:25:31):
is that Trump is trading the security of the region
for a trade deal basically for some better terms of trade,
and he's going to give up the support of that
the has agreed over many many years with allies like Japan,
South Korea, and also the support that America has given

(01:25:52):
from Taiwan. Now, Scott Besson says Trump will say more
about this topic over the next few days what exactly
has been said, But this is the number one issue
now for China, and it's also the number one issue
for many countries around the region to wait and see
what Trump's position is on this.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
Okay, So what are we reading between the lines? What
are we assuming is going on here? Is using Kings
asking Trump for permission to be able for him to
be able to secure Taiwan and have the US not untervene.
Is that basically it?

Speaker 24 (01:26:24):
I think, yes, there's two things. I think more than
saying that it doesn't support Taiwanese independence, which has been
the phrasing that America has used for many years under
the One China Policy. It wants it to come out
much stronger now and say it firmly opposes Taiwan's independence,

(01:26:46):
not just doesn't support it, actually opposes it, and it
wants it to cut back on some of the support
that it's providing to Taiwan, in particular the selling of arms,
selling of weapons to Taiwan. There's already been an agreement
to sell fifteen billion dollars worth of arms to Taiwan,
and that was put on hold ahead of this meeting.

(01:27:08):
So they are the two key things I think that
Jujenping is asking for from Trump at this stage, and
he hasn't said whether he's agreed to them or not.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
Okay, Now, what's this fuss and South Korea about a
citizen dividend post?

Speaker 24 (01:27:24):
Yeah, that came out of the blue. It relates to
really the enormous profits that are being made by two
companies in particular in South Korea, Samson Electronics and sk Heiniz,
who are dominating the global memory chip supply chain. There
is just enormous demand for memory chips around the world

(01:27:44):
because of the AI build up, and these companies are
making massive profits. I mean Samson Electronics could well make
over two hundred billion dollars in profits this year. So suddenly,
out of the lou a presidential policy chief floated this
idea of a nationwide citizen dividend which was going to

(01:28:08):
be paid to basically everyone in South Korea, funded by
tax windfalls from this semiconductor boom that is going on
in the country at the moment, and presumably tax taxes
on Samson and sk Heinix. Now that had an enormous
market reaction. About three hundred billion dollars was wiped off

(01:28:30):
of the Cosby Index in just a few minutes before
it got clarified, and he said, and President Lee also
came out the following day and said this was not
a new tax. They were not proposing a new levy
on corporate profits.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
This was just.

Speaker 24 (01:28:46):
Simply questioning how to read distribute if you like the
gains from the AI boom. And there are the workers
at South Koreas Sampson are threatening to go on strike
because they feel they're not getting enough of the benefits
of the profits that the company is making. But it
just shows how dependent South Queer's markets are on this

(01:29:10):
AI boom. The Cosby Index has risen two hundred percent
now in just one year. I mean it's just the
enormous sort of gains. But the market has become very
volatile with it as well.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
That is remarkable. A Peter as always, Thank you so much.

Speaker 16 (01:29:24):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
We'll talk to you in a week's time. It's Peter Lewis,
our Asia Business correspondent, eighteen away from seven hither do
for cl So insid Are the rugby boys and girls
are killing the app, the NZR plus app. Now at
this point, I'd be fascinated to know how many people
actually know what the z R plus app is. This
was INSI Insidar's attempt to make money off video content.

(01:29:45):
If you follow the machinations of the deals that they
strike and stuff. This became a thing when they were
renegotiating their broadcasting deal with Sky and they wanted to
keep little bit of content for themselves, and they went
off and they did this inztr plus app and they
wanted to be able to create little clips of the
black ferns and they all blacks. And I'm assuming the
SEVENS player. I don't know, because I never went and
looked at it because I have better things to do

(01:30:06):
with my time and a thousand different streamers already to
look at. But they basically wanted to make money off
their own video content rather than just selling it to
Sky and skymaking the money anyway. It didn't work, which
obviously was never gonna work. We could have all told
them it was never gonna work because we're maxed out, right,
we got Neon we need to subscribe to, We've got Netflix,
we need to subscribe to Disney Plus. Now this High

(01:30:27):
Food or High Yu or some other stuff coming out,
and there's I don't know, Holu, and then there's the HBO.
Like you know, there's a list of stuff that you
need to subscribe to before one used tv NZ and
Plus before you even get to Oh now, now now
you need to give enz our money just so you
can watch a little bit of extra black cap all

(01:30:48):
Blacks content, Like no, thanks very much. It was never
gonna work. So finally, and they've spent millions on this
before they realized, oh, it's not gonna work, which we
could have told them. But so what they've decided to
do instead is that they're going to get rid of
it and have a different app. They're gonna have an
all black sapp now where they're just gonna do lots
of all blacks. I think they've already got this all
blacks everything. It's going to fold into that and they're

(01:31:09):
gonna do all blacks and black what stop it? And
Blackfooon's content? Why No, this is not like, this is
not how they're gonna make money off it. What you
need to do? Like, I don't know. My job is
not obviously to make money off video content, which is
someone else's job, So I don't really know what I'm
talking about. But it seems to me that if you
really want to make money off your content, you should

(01:31:31):
be doing something like the the f one guys have
done or something. Make an interesting documentary and sell it
to Netflix and see what happens there. But this, nah,
I don't know. It's just it's complicating my life, so
I don't want to I don't want to know about it,
and a lot of people will feel like me. Anyway.
We're off to the UK next sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, The Business Hour
with Heather Duplicial and Mass.

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
Insurance and investments. Your future is in good hands News Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
Have you seen Julian Savia's house which is for sale
and coates full. If you haven't, I'll run you through
it shortly thirteen away from seven. Devin Gray UK correspondents
with us Elo Gevin either. So it looks like it's
going to be Andy.

Speaker 21 (01:32:13):
Yeah, well it looks like and he's going to have
a go at this. The so called King of the North,
the current mayor of Manchester, has been cleared for takeoff
to become an MP. Whys he's so keen to become
an MP because he has to become an MP in
order to be considered for the leadership battle to become
the leader of the Labor Party, But of course that

(01:32:34):
means the Prime Minister of the UK as well, so
there's a bit of a mechanism in place. This is
all going to take time now where somebody near his
seat of Manchester as it were, has now decided he's
going to step aside and offer him a by election
in his constituency. It's a high risk gamble of this
because Heather, you might think, well, Andy Burnham's supposed to

(01:32:55):
be very popular, he'll get that and then he'll be
able to immediately challenge secure star. But actually in the
most recent council elections. Last week, Reform UK Nigel Pharos's
party wiped the board in that particular area and took
all of the council seats. So now Reform is saying, great,
bring it on. You stand for that seat and we

(01:33:17):
will throw everything at it to convert local council seats
into the having the MP as well, and it won't
be you Andy Burnham. Now that would really throw the
Labor leadership into catastrophe and chaos. But all this is
weeks away. And of course what bond markets and what
the money people don't like is uncertainty. But that uncertainty

(01:33:38):
seems set to be lasting for a long time here
in the UK now, So.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
Explain to me what wiz Strating is doing, because I mean,
for the longest time we thought he was going to
be the one to challenge, but now he's quit of
because he no longer has confidence and as Kio Stammer,
but he hasn't challenged no.

Speaker 21 (01:33:55):
Now we think this is the theory I have with political
correspondence that that is because he does not have one
fifth of the Labor Party MP's support, the magic figure
eighty one. Now we know he's got a lot of support,
but maybe he doesn't have eighty one or maybe as
has also been speculated that where Streeting has gone into

(01:34:18):
some secret pact with Andy Burnham, the mayor of Manchester,
saying look, you go for it, and obviously I will
support you and you give me a very very nice
job perhaps as your deputy when you're in. You know,
all these things now begin. There's such machinations in these
political arguments. But that could be what he's after, but
it could simply be he doesn't have the necessary number

(01:34:41):
of twenty percent of the labor MPs who are willing
to sign on the darted line and say we now
want to see where Streeting as party leader.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
So is it possible that now that all of this
has taken place and the big gun has been fired,
which is we're street and quitting, it kind of goes
into a weird holding pattern for petem weeks until Andy
Burnham maybe makes it in.

Speaker 16 (01:35:03):
Yes.

Speaker 21 (01:35:04):
Absolutely, and as I said, uncertainty is not good for
the money markets. We are currently experiencing our highest borrowing
costs for over twenty years. For every ten dollars that
this government is spending, one dollar goes on financing our debt,
servicing our debt, not paying it off, just paying the interest.

(01:35:25):
And that's because the interest rates have gone up on
our debt and it's just getting more and more expensive.
So really, people are saying this a kissed army, you're
costing there's money here, This uncertain is costing money. Why
don't you just step aside and fire the starting gun now?
But even if he did, then there'd be a huge
amount of pressure on him to wait until Andy Burnham
has or has not become an MP in order to

(01:35:47):
give him the chance. It is one unholy mess and
handing over midterm is not that successful.

Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
In the past.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
Yeah, I'll tell you what it is. A miss, isn't it. Devin,
Thank you so much. As always, We'll talk to you
next week. Devin gray Are UK corresponding. Streeting is quite
an interesting character. He grew up on a council estate
in East London, in Stepney. His parents were working class
teenagers when they had him, sort of I think around
about nineteen eighty three, that kind of time, part of

(01:36:14):
the world time time. What am I talking about? Maternal
grandparents were in prison for armed robbery. His grandfather served
times with the time with the Cray Twins. So interesting
A eight Away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:36:27):
It's the Heather tiopericy Allan Drive full show podcast on
iHeartRadio powered by news dog Zebby.

Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
Okay Julian Savia. So, Julian Savia and his wife are
selling their mansion in Coatsville, And I do not use
the word mansion lightly. I mean, it's not the most
baller crob you've ever seen in your life, but it's
pretty epic. They built it themselves, not by with their
own hands. They had a real classy little builder who
did it for them, and an architect and stuff. But

(01:36:56):
what I'm trying to say is like it was a
plot of land and then they created this thing, this
beautiful house that sits on it. The house is in
the shape of an H, which I love because it
means that you have the central bit. But then you
go off in wings and stuff because there's nothing worse.
Do you find this? There is nothing worse. Then you're like,
I'm knack and I'm going to sleep. And then on
the other side of your bedroom wall is the TV

(01:37:18):
and old mates got it up loud, do you know
what I mean? So, actually having like a wing to
retreat into awesome. Awesome, but also even more awesome when
the kids become teenagers and real brats, and then you
can have them and their own wings staying away till
three in the morning on a Saturday, and you can
get a decent night sleep. Anyways, I'm really into this
what they've done with the house. And they've got a pool.
It looks awesome. They've got like if you're going, if

(01:37:40):
you're specking up this much, you're gonna have yourself a
formal lounge, aren't you, And then like a family room
and a cool kitchen, five bedrooms. You're gonna have about
nine thousand squares worth of land that kind of thing.
In the end, why they're selling it is not because
they love it, but you know, it's always a nice
idea until you have to start mowing lawns. And then

(01:38:01):
he didn't have time to mow the lawns. Yeah, I
mean people don't. Many some men in my life don't
have time to pack their own bags. So I was
expecting Julian to mow the lawns. So Tima was mowing
the lawns. He was doing the dinners, so got on him.
But she was mowing the lawns and then between that
and all the kids stuff and they're just giving it up.
But why I'm telling you this is go and have
a look because it's on it's on the one roof.

(01:38:22):
I have a question about giant sized lollies because I
don't know if you know, but it's a kind of
like a kitch key. We are the thing that we're
doing now, we're getting the what do you call the lollies,
the milk bottle lollies and the Eskimo lollies and stuff
like that, and they're doing them really big, like the
size of an actual milk bottle and you stick it
on your wall. Are we into that?

Speaker 4 (01:38:42):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
Okay?

Speaker 11 (01:38:43):
And it just makes me really hungry for milk bottles
and lollies.

Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
We do look at it, and you do think sweets
all of the time. And I kind of like it
because it's it's kind of cool. I like mucking around
with proportion, so I quite kind of like it. But
also then I'm sort of like, oh, well, everybody's doing it,
so now I don't I don't know, I don't know
how I feel about it. What are you have? You
got this band? Again?

Speaker 15 (01:39:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:39:01):
Okay, so for people who weren't listening to the segment
last night. We're trying.

Speaker 25 (01:39:04):
We're trying here on the show to get into old
Jean de Poitlin, a mathrock band out of Quebec, because
the telegraph says through the hot new big thing. So
I played a bit of their music last night and
we said, oh, keV, producer, keV, what do you think?
And he said, look, I need to hear some lyrics.
So I went looking for a song on these with
lyrics and it wasn't easy, but I think I found one.
It's called Matters they click. Let's have a quick listen.

Speaker 11 (01:39:32):
See cats that they did kind of thing there. I said,
Matters they click.

Speaker 25 (01:39:36):
Look, I jumped onto their subwritte Hither and you know
there's not a lot of lyrics, to be honest, suck
and fit all the lyrics from about nine songs onto
one page and they're usually.

Speaker 11 (01:39:43):
Like fabiol fabiol. So that's the old So that I don't.

Speaker 25 (01:39:47):
Know if we're cut out from menthrock on this program
and hid we might have to leave this stuff to
ho I hear from now on and stick to mutes.

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
Why you can pump this kip on your ways A
new billet to night. It's going to keep you awake
a whole way. He's not my vibs, your vivents.

Speaker 11 (01:40:04):
I'm really kno cut up with a sort of hiss
a Jina quoteen if you want to.

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
Look up for day, Hey, see you on Monday. Thanks sense,
see you on Monday.

Speaker 3 (01:40:14):
Thanks for more from hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live
to news talks.

Speaker 1 (01:40:20):
It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio

All Episodes

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

Hey Jonas!

Stuff You Should Know

Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang

.css-15opob5{left:0;position:absolute;top:0.8rem;} All Episodes

.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}Full Show Podcast: 15 May 2026

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

.css-r6mb8g{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:1;overflow:hidden;}Hey Jonas!

Stuff You Should Know

Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang

All Episodes

Full Show Podcast: 15 May 2026

Hey Jonas!