Full Show Podcast: 16 July 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather Duplessy,
allan drive with One New Zealand and the power of
satellite mobile news talk said, be.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, we'll get
you an explanation of what kind of damage the bird
flu could do to our native birds. The Greens will
talk us through their compulsory union membership call and why
has Genesis Energy lost so many customers in contact picked
up so many? Get you an explanation for that as well.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Heather Duplessy, al right, if.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Anyone on a council at the moment can't understand why
so many of US rate payers are so hostile towards them,
sometimes bordering on hatred, can I just suggest they take
a look at what's going on with these agreements with
EWE and that might actually give them a bit of
an idea. If you haven't followed this, what's going on
is that Chris Bishop is planning to replace the RMA
shortly and his replacement law will not allow councils to

(00:54):
sign any more of these agreements. These agreements called mana
fucker horn, fucker horn, or r or hair agreements. They
basically in some cases in extreme cases said sovereignty to EWE,
the law will not allow those to be signed, but
they will allow existing agreements to continue to exist. So
what's happening is councils, of course, are rushing to sign
up as many of these things as they can. Far

(01:15):
North District Council is trying to sign five apparently without
involving elected councilors in it. They're not allowed to see
the detail apparently. I've had a letter today from the
Mayor of Carterton drawing my attention to the fact that
Greater Wellington Regional Council, which covers Carterton, is doing exactly
the same thing, despite the objections of two of its councils,
Carterton and carpety E can in Canterbury tried to rush

(01:38):
one through this week and then got busted and then
pulled it from the agenda. Now, the fact that councils
are being cynical like this is of no surprise to anyone,
because they did exactly the same thing with the Maori
Wards when they knew their own rate payers in many
cases did not support the Maori Wards. But this gets
much more crunchy for the current government because they the
ACT Party and the National Party in particular, have said

(02:00):
that this co governance stuff would end, yet they are
allowing it to continue under their new RMA laws by
allowing these agreements to carry over. They need to change
that law. They need to change that law, but before
it becomes a law. If they really meant what they said,
and importantly, if they want to retain the faith of
voters who voted for them to end this stuff, then
they have to. When they have the chance next week
when the RMA Select Committee report comes back, they have

(02:21):
to say these agreements will be rendered void under the
new law. Whatever's been signed in a rush will mean nothing.
This is this government's big test to prove that what
they said about co governance wasn't just hot air.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Heather Duplicy Allen.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Nine, who's the text number, Divinus Smolders, who is on
the Far North District Council, will give us the details,
spill the tea on what's going on up there. She's
with us after half plus five.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
Now.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
The Act Party wants to open New Zealand up for
more innovation trials. Innovation trials a schemes where regulations are
suspended in a certain area to test new technology. The
UK's had them since twenty sixteen. The FMA is piloting
one for fintech businesses and Party leader David Seymour's with
us now, Hi David.

Speaker 5 (03:04):
Hey, Heather, and can I just say I agree with
your editorial up the front there. Whether we get rid
of these motherfucker honor out all here with the new
ARIMA is a live issue, and I expect they will
be deleted. I've got some history with this. When I
was in government with Peter Dunn and National and the
Mari Party back in twenty sixteen. Peter done and I said, look,

(03:25):
here's some RIMA reforms we could all do together because
we had a majority. National ignored that and went off
with the Mari Party made their own reforms and introduced
these e WE participation agreements. Though we've got long history,
we've been fighting it for ten years. We're going to
put them to bed.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Okay, so what's the hold up? Why not next week
when the Selectmity report comes back, why not just say
if you've signed these things, it's just going to be
null and void.

Speaker 5 (03:47):
Well that's exactly what is in play right now.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Well, yeah, I know it's in play. But why haven't
you guys made a decision on it, Because from what
I understand, this is, as you say, a live issue
being discussed at cabinet level. But the problem is you
can't agree whether you do it or not.

Speaker 5 (04:02):
Why Well, for a very simple reason that we have
different parties. But I can assure you that as far
as I'm concerned, after ten years of fighting these things,
we want them gone and I expect your seeing decision.

Speaker 6 (04:13):
They are every soon is.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Next week the crucial week when we find out.

Speaker 5 (04:18):
I think that's the report back, so you know, the
Select Committee reports back. But the government can still introduce
amendments right up to when the bill is finally passed,
and that will be taking place over the next couple
of months before Parliament rises. We will pass the law
and I'm determined that we get rid of these agreements.
They're undemocratic.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Great, I'm pleased to hear it, David. Thank you. Now listen,
talk me through this innovation trial stuff. How's this going
to work?

Speaker 5 (04:42):
Well, I look at something like Jeremy Clarkson and the drones.
We have similar issues here. Agricultural drones could do a
huge amount the civil Aviation Authority rules are prohibitive. We
have put to the Aviation Minister James Meagia, look, you
know we need to just delete some rules temporarily at least,
and he said, oh yeah, yeah, we'll do it over
the next two years. With innovation trials, I'm saying, look,

(05:05):
if you want to get a trial of self driving
taxis from Queenstown Airport, for example, if you want to
get agricultural drones, if you want to see more crypto
rather than taking years to innovate, you can have what's
called a regulatory sandbox or an innovation trial. The deal
is that for a select area, for a select period
of time, your delete select rules and say, look, if

(05:28):
the world doesn't end, we'll carry on. If it does,
we'll put the rules back.

Speaker 7 (05:31):
Okay, but we need.

Speaker 5 (05:31):
To start experimenting more if we want to see technology
here in New Zealand rather than things happening overseas and
pasking us.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
By your argument is essentially in a speech today. Now,
what happens is you propose to have someone proposes to
have looser rules, Everybody freaks out that someone's going to
die or get hurt, and so it never changes. So
by just doing it for a confined period of time,
you reckon, it'll just settle everybody down, so we know
if it doesn't work at all.

Speaker 6 (05:54):
End yep, it is locus as after several years.

Speaker 5 (05:58):
If they're trying to do the jiu jitsu of persuading
people and government to have less redtape and regulation. I'm
not saying we haven't had any success. We've actually had
quite a lot, but g it's frustrating and I'm always
looking for ways that we can get rid of red
tape more persuasively.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Have you had any indication from business that they would
like to bring some innovative stuff here.

Speaker 5 (06:16):
Yeah, we've talked to people. We don't want to say
exactly who, but there's certainly people who would be interested
in bringing autonomous taxis services to New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
And why not.

Speaker 5 (06:27):
I mean I actually got to go in one in
San Francisco a while back. You know, nothing's happened there
except that they are leaving us behind because they are
allow stuff that we don't Now.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
How serious are you about banning smartphones for kids?

Speaker 5 (06:42):
I'm not serious about I'm not committed to this solution,
but I am serious about the problem. I think it's
got to the stage where you have to accept that
social media and smartphones are the number one enabler of
that ruining childhood, massive problems with kids' mental health, massive
problems and politics, with people being polarized and divided. It's

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particularly acute for a female, for young women, and I
think that there needs to be action. Parents of course say, look,
I don't want my kid on social media for three
hours a day, but I also don't want them to
be the only one in the class who's left out.
So that's the case. Why even if you're quite libertarian
like me, you might say, well, maybe there's a role

(07:25):
for government here. Next point, I think that the ban
on social media as has been proposed is dead on arrival.
It's not worked in Australia. We saw last week with
the proposal to ban VPNs that lasted for about eight hours,
that anything that is powerful enough to stop a motivated
teenager is probably going to destroy the internet freedom and

(07:50):
privacy for adults. We don't want that.

Speaker 8 (07:52):
So where does that leave you?

Speaker 5 (07:54):
And it may be that the idea of giving eleven
year older supercomputer with a high death video camera to
put in their pocket for their entire childhood is actually
quite crazy that we've accepted it. You can still have
a dumb phone so you can call mom if you
miss the bus, or call dad if you're at a
party you don't think you should.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Be at anymore.

Speaker 5 (08:12):
But you know, does every fifteen year old need a smartphone?
I suspect they don't, and it might be a far
more practical way to tackle this very serious problem than
what's been suggested so far.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
I think you're onto something here, David Hey, thanks very much, man,
really appreciate it. Looking after yourself, David seymore ax party letter.
I'm going to come back to the technology stuff because
the part of David speech was actually really interesting on that.
But on the smartphone thing, is he onto something here?

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Where?

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Actually what is he's not suggesting and what he's doing
is he's just putting this out as an idea. Right,
there's no actual commitment to this idea from him. But
is this the solution? Instead of trying to ban the
social media for the under sixteens, we just say no smartphones?

Speaker 9 (08:50):
Right?

Speaker 2 (08:50):
You can have a dumb phone. You can have one
of those ones that you can play the Little Snake
game on. You can text, you can call but that's
really about the extent of that is that I just
he's got the idea from Annie O'Brien, who is like
a former gosh, I mean, how do you even describe
Ani O'Brien kind of hangs out with Sean Plunket at
the platform, you know, hung out at the taxpayers for

(09:11):
a little bit. Done on what she's doing now, But
she's got a blog. Oh she was the one who
broke the story about Mikey Sherman. Now you know who
I'm talking about. Anyway, she pitched this as an idea.
She's like, why are we dealing with the software instead
of dealing with the hardware? Let's span the phones.

Speaker 8 (09:23):
Is there an obvious problem?

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Can you see an obvious because I like this idea?
Is there an obvious problem with banning under sixteens from
having smartphones? If so, what is it? Sixteen past four?

Speaker 9 (09:36):
It's the Heather Duper see Allan Drive full show.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Podcast on iHeartRadio powered my News Talk Zippy.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Heather, thank you for keeping up the pressure on the
co governance. There should be none of the stuff in
New Zealand's Special Political Decisions on MARII affairs, Anti democratic policies,
should be gone. Well, you'll be pleased with what you
heard from David Semore because I think that's that's about
as strong as you need. Wait for it. They will
announce it's gone. They just have to wait for all
the eyes to be dotted. I suspect and the tees
to be crossed. Nineteen past four.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
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Speaker 2 (10:11):
Narcy Watergrave sports talk hosters with us Hello.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Darce, Hello, he right, what have you.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Seen in the squad that's just been announced?

Speaker 10 (10:17):
We talked about this last night with Ian Jones, with
Karma and the Craig Dowed former All Black Props going
to join us tonight to pick through this team for
the Irish on Saturday night. Thought that maybe he would
play in the sixth jumper as a direct result of
that means he can slide into a lot when the
lot replacement comes, which is probably Patrick because he's been

(10:39):
named in there too, right, Which means they can employ
two loose forwards on the bench that can come in
and hat with huge physicality toward the end of the game.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
So, because I think Irish boys big.

Speaker 10 (10:51):
That's what we've seen.

Speaker 11 (10:53):
Well, they're all big, they're.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Rugby players, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 10 (10:56):
Like not South African big, No one is. I think
they want to physically dominate these guys. They should be
a little concerned about. The Irish are still felthy after
getting rolled in the World Cup quarter final all those
years ago. They've definitely going to be in their bonnet.
They want to take this team to task. They want
to walk away going. You know what, you ain't that

(11:17):
much what kind of fortunesses this here's our trojan horse.
You guys have finished. But is a very strong team
that they've named. There are a couple of players not
in there. Wall he's one of me. A horrible game
last week. I fully understand that they've got Addisavia and
Jacobson along with Tuvati and your six, seven and eight peering,
really super solid, very strong front row. There's a lot

(11:41):
to like about the side and what I do like
and I think most people agree with me here. They've
maintained Jordi Barrett in the second five role. They've also
kept Ruben Love and right therese. They've kept that consistency going.
They're going to need Damien McKenzie has retained his position

(12:04):
at fullback. Will jordan Is on the right wing and
Josh Morby up on the left wing did such a
good replacement job last week. He's been given the tip
Anton LENNONTT Brown as the mister Savior if you will.
As far as the midfield's concerned, are rolling on so
stout strong team. But the proof of the puding is
in the eating, and we're looking forward to dining out

(12:25):
ed Eden Pack on Saturday night.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
That's that's the one, like that extended metaphor, good from you.

Speaker 10 (12:31):
I can't say the proofs and the pudding right.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
When people do that? Is that worse than U kula oh?

Speaker 10 (12:37):
Because you don't know if the pudding is any good
until you eat it. And the proof of the puding
is eating. And he's one that I've been wrecking for years.
I didn't know what I found out. I say, I'm
as happy as a clam, as happy as a clam
at high tide. That because at high tide people can't
get the clams.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Of course, see you goes better than the other happies
that you could use, though the other happies are no goes,
no thank you. Darcy Dusky's back at seven Darcy water
Graves Sports Store Coast for twenty two.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
The day's newspeakers talk to Heather First, Heather duples Ellen
drive with One New Zealand and the power of satellite
mobile news Talk said, be oh, mate.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Have you seen the pictures of Gina, Gina, Ryan Hart
and Pauline Hanson in the pool? No, I am being
so horrible. Don't even text me and tell me I'm
being horrible because I am. I dined. I am shamed
of myself right now. I'm telling myself off of being
horrible right now. Anyway, don't go and look at them now,

(13:36):
go on, go have a look at the pictures. What
I love about it is doesn't matter how much money,
how much money you have, if you haven't got your
makeup on, you still look hideous. And I say this
from my self. Will all women without even the most
beautiful women, if they haven't got the makeup on, Jay's
we look rough. Gina just saying, anyway, Murray Olds is
going to be with us. Murray will probably tell me
off again for being mean when he's with us. Shortly

(13:58):
got another It got another clash with the Lick so
afc and the Wellington Phoenix are having a derby on
November seven at NOWT Smart Stadium. What else is happening
on November seven? Oh that's right, guys. The election, Yeah,
that's happening. So now we've got the AFC Phoenix derby
in Auckland, we've got the Black Caps India ODI at
the Caketon and Wellington, and we've got Iron Maiden and

(14:20):
the elections is becoming very, very full. So what they're
now talking about is setting up polling stations outside the stadiums,
which I actually think is a good idea, And weirdly
I suspect the turnout, like those people who are going,
I'm off to the cricket, all the you know whatever,
and then they walk past the polling but go let's vote. Well,
I reckon I might push up the votion. So I

(14:40):
reckon this might actually work in our favor. Texts on
banning the smartphones, Heather, who is going to police this?
What's the punishment?

Speaker 4 (14:49):
Now?

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Look, fair point, this is actually but my argument on
this is that it's not actually necessary. The parents will
police it, right If you know, giving your kids fags
when they're under eighteen is illegal if you're the kind
of parent that gives you kids fags and goes, oh
I have a Sigi, mate, Oh I have a couple
of beers. Cool? You do you? You just you set
your children up for the kind of life that you

(15:10):
think that they should they deserve. But there are other
parents who go who use it as a tool and go, no, mate,
you are not going to smoke siggies. You're sixteen years old.
No way, It's against the law. And the same thing
will be true of the phones here. The banning smartphones
for under sixteens would see an immediate underground black market
in these devices, probably at school. They probably where they're
going to, like buy their cell phone, put it in

(15:31):
a lunch box and hide it under a rocket school
maybe it Maybe if they're really that desperate to play
the tiktoks at school, maps say well, anyway, we'll take
this one to the huddle later on a news this
next in their murray olds.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
The name you trust to get the answers you need.
It's Heather Duper c Ellen drive with one New Zealand and.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
The power of satellite.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Mobile used talks that'd be God five us a flake
one of them.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
This Union's policy from the Greens. They've announced today they
want to make union membership the default for employees, so
it's it's like compulsory at the start. So when you
become an employee, your default into a union and you
then need to opt out of the union, rather than
the current situation, which is that you need to opt in.
What is interesting to me about this policy is that
this is not I don't think this is a vote winner.

(16:19):
I don't think anybody's gonna lok at the Greens and going,
do you know what that union policy, it's got my vote? Yeah, nah, absolutely,
no one in the history of the country ever did that. Yeah,
I'm gonna do that. So why are they doing it?
And the only conclusion I can come to is that
they're trying to steal the union support off labor because
that is that's a big that's a cash win. You know,
you got those you got those unions supporting you. They

(16:41):
give you big cash money. So is that what this
is about. Barrisope is going to be with us shortly.
Madima Davidson, co leader of the Greens, is also with
us after five o'clock. It's twenty four away from five.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
It's the World Wires on News talks, they'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
The US has attacked Iran again. Trump has said again
that Iran is desperate to make a peace deal.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
I think the Republic of Iran is unhappy right now.
Should have been done forty seven years ago. Should have
been done at least during the forty seven year period
and other presidents Sidda was right. They should have known
it a long time ago. Would have been much easier.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Iran's parliamentary speaker says they'll only agree to a deal
if the terms are good enough. Obviously, Lebanon and Israel
have met in Rome for peace talks. Israel has offered
to withdraw troops from two pilot zones in South Lebanon,
but people on the streets of beir Route say the
Lebanese government should demand a full Israeli withdrawal. I don't
know on what basis the state is working on these negotiations.

Speaker 8 (17:35):
They're giving the land away for free.

Speaker 12 (17:38):
There's no such thing as pilot zones, and we don't
acknowledge them. I'm from the south. Every village has a name,
there's none called pilot zone. The Israelis must withdraw from
all the villages in the south, and finally, art Tina.

Speaker 13 (17:50):
The World champ terms are going to the twenty twenty
six timeline.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
A Manchester man has spent more than a thousand New
Zealand dollars on a tattoo of the FIFA World Cup
traue with the words England World Cup winner twenty twenty
six on his leg. As you can probably guess, he
got it before England's semi final loss to Argentina this morning,
because obviously they're not going to be the twenty twenty
six World Cup winners, are they? Chap samers Sean Carrington.
He said before the game that if England didn't win,

(18:16):
he'd maybe think about getting the words just kidding added
to the tattoo.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
International Correspondence with ends and eye insurance, Peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Murray Olds Ozzie correspondents last Amus, that.

Speaker 14 (18:29):
Was a whoops moment head A very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Somebody always does it a every single massive tournaments, and
I think it's because they believe in the power of manifestation,
Like if I just put that on my macalf, it's
gonna happen. No moya. You know what, much simpler explanation
could probably be the one I imagine now listen, what
are these images that the cops are releasing to try
to identify more victims of the Skyhammish Tape.

Speaker 14 (18:53):
Yeah, Hamish Tap. If he's convicted, he will become Australia's
worst ever child abuser. Now they are east today. Some
basic stats. Hamish Tates alledgs have abused one hundred and
fifty eight children over fifteen years in New South Wales
mainly Sydney, and in South Australia, in many cases filming

(19:13):
these children. One hundred and forty two children of the
one hundred and fifty eight police they were abused, one
hundred and forty two have been identified sixteen habit and
New South Wales police today have released some very distinctive
clothing from photographs found on some of Tate's devices, his
phones and laptops and the like. Now they're hoping that

(19:34):
by releasing these images, some mums and dads out there
will come forward, they'll recognize that clothing because the electronic
evidence is just dreadful. Most of the alleged offending, as
I say, in Sydney and in South Australia as well.
But police still trying to track down a person overseas
with whom Tate allegedly shared images. So it's an international
inquiry this. You've got federal police involved with international police

(19:58):
forces also now involved in this case.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yes, pretty okay. What's the crackdown that Jim Chalmers was proposing?

Speaker 14 (20:06):
Yeah, always huffing and puffing, like you know, the big
bad wolf going to blow down the house. Will forget
it the house. It consists of the Big Four, the
big four accounting for firms Deloitte, p w C, e Y, KPMG.
Between them, they are collecting billions of dollars, they say,
from Australian taxpayers. Now the government is ordering corporate regulators

(20:30):
over here to take a much tougher line with these
big four firms. But will anything change? Here's the thing.
The Government's been forced to take this action because earlier
this year, under parliamentary privilege, a whistleblower from KPMG came
forward to claim that clients confidential information was repeatedly shared
inside the company to help win some pretty lucrative auditing contracts.

(20:56):
This is happening back in twenty twenty two. Apparently the competitor,
of course, p WC, have a listen to this PwC
was found to be helping the government to devise new
taxes for big business, but then selling that information onto
the very big businesses they were supposed to be policing.
So this is not a new movie. We've been here before.
The Australian boss of KPMG's resigned. Many lucrative government contracts,

(21:20):
we are told are under threat. But how long has
this stuff been going on? And really are they going
to be whack with a feather? You know, you suspect
these big firms just thumb their nose at whatever government
regulation is attempted, because that's so deeply embedded in the
Australian government infrastructure. I mean it's almost as though you
don't need public servants anymore because everything's outsourced to these firms.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Maz, did you not get an invitation to the pool
in Sicily?

Speaker 15 (21:44):
No?

Speaker 3 (21:44):
I didn't.

Speaker 14 (21:45):
No, I did not. I've been to Taumena a couple
of times. It's a beautiful Italian resort town on the
Sicilian coast, absolutely gorgeous. But Pauline Hanson's been there as well,
the One Nation boss, with her chief of staff, James Ashley,
and they're having a quick break of course, they've been
up breaking bread with all these right wing lunatics in London.

(22:06):
But down there in Sicily we've got Gina rein Hart,
and Gina was taking some son as well. She's Australia's
richest person also funding we understand Senator Hansen with a
great deal of money also border of course at two
billion dollar plane. Anyway, while Hanson's been away, the opinion polls,
we've discussed this opinion poles have been marking it down

(22:26):
quite sharply. Every times yapens her mouth. That seems to
be people are saying, gee whiz, really, I don't think
I like that much anyway. I can't imagine these pictures
from a luxury hotel and in Sicily are going to
help Hanson's cause winning over the battlers of Australia who
I'm trying to protect.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
A fair argument from you most thanks very much, Murray
Old's Ossie correspondent eighteen away from five together for el Either,
if you speak to someone about the bird flu, which
I'm going to do, can you ask if there's a
vaccine that will protect domestic pets if they touch a
sickle dead bird. And that's not a good question. I
might get round to that. Government's already shut down the
idea of giving the poultry industry any compo if they

(23:06):
lose their birds because of the bird flu that's here,
which I think is like it sounds harsh on the
face of it, but it is fair because the government
generally doesn't give compensation to you if you're heard or
your flock or whatever die for natural reasons, which is
what a disease is. It is if they ask you
to cull you know, so with the bovs and stuff
like that. Plus also, do you realize how long we've

(23:28):
been preparing for bird flu. It's been twenty years. We
have been watching it move around the globe for twenty years.
So surely to god by now, if you're in the
poultry industry, you've had a twenty year heads up. There
should be no compo if you haven't prepared yourself for it. Anyway,
as I said, we're going to talk to somebody who's
an expert on this from Auckland University after five o'clock.
I have a quick question for you, while I've still
got a chance. I need to sell a car now.

(23:49):
I need and so I need your advice on this
because I'm taking advice and I actually do not know
what to do. It's the run around from the beach
and I just cannot be faft within anymore. I just
can't be fat every year. It's like I need to
do more work on it because I'm not driving it
in a half And so the mechanic was like, do
you really need this cars? I guess you probably don't
really need this car. Shall I sell this car?

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (24:08):
I should sell this car? So anyway, my option where
am I going to get my best price with the
least amount of work at the moment. So I was
told stick it on a Facebook marketplace. I thought, absolutely
not because there are weirdos on there and I don't
want to have to deal with weirdos. So if I'm
going to go online, I'm going to trade me and
the fees are not that bad. It's about one hundred
and fifty bucks or whatever to list it. That's about it.

(24:29):
And the worst that you have to deal with is
you have to do all the admin and you have
to deal with a few tire kickers. But you'll get
the full price right when you sell it. Or do
I go to Turners? Now, Turners, you've got two options.
You take it in and you deal it and trade it,
and they're going to give you If it's twenty thousand
dollars car, they're going to give you sixteen or seventeen thousand.
Are they going to take a fair whack out out
of it? So you're going to lose a fair bit
of money. But you can also give it to them

(24:49):
on consignment if you're not in a hurry, and then
they sell it for you and they only take something
like maybe seven I think it was six percent, six
point six percent or something not kind of inconsequential. I'm
leaning towards the two earner's option because I want I
love Tina, and also that feels like that feels less
adminy for me. Am I doing the right thing?

Speaker 3 (25:07):
Though?

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Or am I making a mistake and I'm just going
to lose money for being lazy? What's up? Tell me
what you think?

Speaker 14 (25:13):
Tell me.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Don't just tell me what you think because you've got
a thought on it. Tell me what you think because
you sold a car recently and you had some life
experience that I can draw from. Thanks very much. Nineteen
nine two quarter to.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
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Speaker 2 (25:27):
Green Party on the union membership. After five o'clock, it's
thirteen away from five Barrysoapers with us Alo Berry.

Speaker 11 (25:32):
Good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
What do you think?

Speaker 11 (25:34):
Well, I sort of grew up with compulsory unionism when
I was a young journal.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Great, but you grew up with black and white TV.

Speaker 11 (25:41):
No, no, just let me finish it. I haven't finished.
And I've got to say, in those days, journalists and
you can thank us for the battle that we fought
in the seventies, journalists are much better paid than what
they used to be. We used to be on an
absolute pittance and it was the Remuneration Authority under Norman Kirk.
It gave us a big hit and that brought the

(26:04):
salary up to where we thought at the time should be.
So having said that, I think a returned how to
automatical they call it automatic trade unionism that the Greens
are proposing is really a step back. But it's not
only that, it's the image that it creates. I mean

(26:25):
North Korea and Cuba. They have compulsory unionism in those countries.
Most others certainly don't. And I think New Zealand shouldn't
be seen in the light of being expecting people to
sign up for a union as soon as they are employed.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
No, I'm interested in why they're doing it, though, Barry,
because it's not a vote winner. Are they doing it
to try to lure the labor that the union's away
from labor to support the Greens?

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Well, who knows.

Speaker 11 (26:53):
I mean, it's in a way silly what they're proposing,
because what they're saying is that when a worker joins
the workforce, they automatically become a union member unless they
opt out. Well, that's cool, they can opt out, So
what does it mean. It really doesn't mean anything if
people don't feel that the union is right for them.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Because there will be people who are lazy enough to
not make the decision one way or the other. So
it will automatically lift union member.

Speaker 11 (27:22):
Well, the problem is that when they do start their workplace.
In the workplace, their names are given, apparently to the
trade union movement the legislation they're proposing, So it means
that somebody from the trade union can get in touch
with a young worker and say, look, you're part of
our union. Wou'd expect you.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
To free publicity?

Speaker 11 (27:44):
Toe the line?

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Okay, So what's Whinston Peters reckons on why Paul Henry
was announced as an ACT Party candidate this week.

Speaker 11 (27:50):
Well, today the ACT former ACT Party president Tim Jago
was sentenced to eighteen months jail for indecency charges on
top of the two and a half years he's already
serving for sexually abusing two teenage boys. Now, essentially he

(28:14):
says he's very regretful and so well he should be.
So ACT most certainly won't be comfortable with the behavior
of their former president and wait for it, Winston Peters
reckons that's why his coalition partner trotted out Paul Henry
as a candidate this week.

Speaker 16 (28:32):
The fact of the matter is that at seven pm
previous night, the ACT Party found out that their former
president was up against up again the court again for
peterophilia charges. So that's why they dropped this one. And
at this point in time, the coinstence is echoing around
the country. For goodness sake, there's no surprises here. But

(28:53):
as before, Henry's going to find out this is a
difficult job politics and he's going to have to learn.

Speaker 11 (28:59):
Yeah, that's the reason why. But look, there was more
from Winston today New zealand first Social Agriculture Minister, Mike Patterson,
who was a former sheep farmer, headed off to India.
You'll be aware Heather and his boss didn't see that
as hypocritically given the party's trench into opposition to the

(29:21):
FTA with India.

Speaker 16 (29:22):
Have a listen, we've been working on exporting the wall
all around the world. So since we've got the job
and Mike's done a fantastic job. And there I said,
if you go to their Indian new Parliament, the carpet
is magnificent carve. It's provided by New Zealand.

Speaker 15 (29:36):
This is nothing to do with this.

Speaker 16 (29:37):
I mean, this is the kind of deal we talked
about getting out there and trading properly. But making it
up and manifesting it as the Prime Minister has while
he subserviently bows down to an Indian culture in New
Zealand was just breathtaking. How could we possibly be proud
of what he did? I mean, the salutations of secretness
of the Prime Minister's behavior when many partisis here was

(30:00):
just a birthday and you know it.

Speaker 11 (30:03):
I find it extraordinary. Now this is our foreign minister.
And I thought Luxon's behavior to the Indian Prime Minister
was superb and they obviously both got on extraordinarily well.
Now Peters was talking to Meil Couzy bro Jamie McKay
on the Country Today. That's where that came from. There

(30:23):
will be though you'll be pleased to hear it to
Heather and newsal Faery's announcement tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Are you allowed to say that out loud?

Speaker 11 (30:30):
I'm saying it out loud, but not Embargo. I suspect, well,
the announcement. It's in Bargo and we don't know what
it is, but there there's an announcement coming up, and
I suspect it won't be terribly exciting to be perfectly honest.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Okay, thanks Barry. I think Barry much have just let
the cat out of the bag. They're very sober. Senior
political correspondence given away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
It's the Heather duper Ce Allen Drive Full Show podcast
on my Heart Radio, powered by News Talk zebby Fearless
Focused Informed. It's the Mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 17 (31:04):
Fed farmers have quite rightly raised what you would loosely
call the alarm around a rush of new deals between
councils and local murray. The rush is on because the
government's new Natural Environment and Planning bills. They were released
last year. Under the new law, you can't do local
murray deals under it. It passed its first reading sitting
at committee level due back shortly, deals have already been
done in the Manuatu, Wanganui, North London Taranaki. This very

(31:26):
sort of thing might be the reason for the softness
in the National Party vote.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
At the moment.

Speaker 17 (31:30):
Stitch up deals with local tribes is a gargantuan example
of what needed addressing on day one, and we still
haven't closed it off. Back tomorrow at six am the
Mic Hosking Breakfast with Mayby's Real Estate News Talk z B.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Honestly, he did leave the cat out of the bag.
It's a clear black and white This advisory is for
planning purposes and not for publication. But now that he's
at it, Minister speaking at twelve thirty, so put it
in your diary. Fair is announcement. It's a well done
Barry anyway. Thank god Winston's one of his friends, so
he won't get the full wrath of Winston coming down
on him. Trade Mes the winner. By the looks of things.

(32:06):
Hither I sold a car privately on trade me for
twenty six thousand dollars. Turners offered me fifteen, saying things
were moving slowly. Here the turners offered me twenty three
thousand dollars for a car soldered a day later on
trade me for thirty six thousand dollars. I love Tina,
but maybe not their salespeople. Go trade me herether On
trade me, you can choose authenticated or verified. Bias only
gives you a good result. I found and it's yeah,

(32:28):
have a bit of bargaining power. You choose for yourself.
All right, thanks, I'll do it. I'll have to. I'll
just have to. I'll have to put on my big
girl pants, take some photographs. List it, yeap, wish me luck.
Do you want to know how fast the fastest man
can climb a coconut tree? Ha, This is what I'm
telling you. This is not a quiz. It's a world record.
That's what I'm telling you. It's forty four point four
point eight eight seconds. It's an eight meter tree. The

(32:52):
last world record it was some time ago, like it
was I think it was about ten years ago or
something like that, was five point six two seconds. Currently,
the guy who had the guy who just broke wild
record as a cook island to call Yali Lua puppy dye,
so well done to him. If you ever need a
coconut really fast, like if you like I couldn't wait
one second longer for that coconut, get Yali Lao up
because he can do it just like that. You won't
die waiting at all. Hey, this is probably counterintuitive. You

(33:16):
will get better grades at university if you if you're
doing a part time job, then if you're doing no
job at all. We're going to talk about that with
a university student in about fifteen minutes time. But next up,
let's get you across the bird flu situation and what
it's going to do to our native birds. News doorg ZB.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
You said, my heart the.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Only drive show you can try to ask the questions,
get the answers, find the fat and.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Give the analysis.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Here the duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and
the power of satellite mobile news dogsb.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Afternoon. There is growing agreement that the spread bird flu
in New Zealand is inevitable after the first confirmed case
of it, the sick Ocean going brown skewer that was
found on Potni Beach has now died. Professor Diane Brunton
from Auckland University School of Biological Sciences is with us
High Diane, good evening, Heather. What makes it inevitable? Well,

(34:18):
if we just.

Speaker 13 (34:19):
Take a look at what's happened around the world, it's everywhere,
and New Zealand is kind of in the middle of nowhere,
of course, but we are surrounded by we have seabirds,
with a seabird capital of the world, so it was
kind of inevitable that it was going to come in
with seabirds. Whether it is this time and spreads from

(34:40):
this event or events it might be happening at the
moment is still an open question.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
But at some point it will hit us. Do we
have any idea what it's going to do to our
unvaccinated native birds?

Speaker 13 (34:55):
No, those short answer is no, we don't know. You
know what the response will be. Our birds are pretty unique,
so that could be in our favor or it could
go against us. We have, you know, we have a
lot of forest birds that are endemic to New Zealand,
only found here, and the forest birds tend to be

(35:16):
quite sedentary and set up territory, so they're not necessarily
going to form big social groups, which is what happens
with many of the breeding seabirds, and that's how it
kind of transmits. But they also are all not on
these offshore islands where we protect them from invasive predators,

(35:37):
and all those offshore islands have seabirds on them.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yeah, okay, So the best case scenario obviously is nothing
happens and they're fine. Worst case scenario is.

Speaker 13 (35:45):
What, Well, the worst case scenario is that so much
of the conservation work that has been done over the
last thirty forty years will be undone and there is
a real risk for those species that i have really
small population sizes and a really limited range only on
one or two islands that you know, extinction is a possibility. Okay,

(36:10):
it's awful to say it, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah, well we may be. We may as well be
honest about it. If you are a pet owner with
a bird, should you get it vaccinated? And also what
if you're a cat owner and your cat's going to
eat a sick bird? What should you do?

Speaker 13 (36:26):
Well, there is there's not really vaccinations available for people
to vaccinate their birds. I think the thing about our
birds at home is there really if you've got a
bird that's in a cage. It's not going to come
in contact into contact with this. And we will get
more warning about it, you know, because what's happened overseas

(36:47):
we see that. You can you can see the spread
because of surveillance that is going on, so you know
when it's starting to hit some areas, and that's when
you know, well before then, as you see it coming,
that's when really tough precautions have to be taken. I
think the backyard poultry is a is going to be
an issue, and I know that has been the case

(37:08):
in the UK and other parts of Europe when when
this disease has hit because poultry are particularly susceptible to this,
and I work best will be getting advice on that
from MPI. But so far as as cats go, well
they shouldn't be out there eating birds anyway.

Speaker 7 (37:25):
For one thing.

Speaker 13 (37:28):
They do they do and maybe this will be you know,
a chance for cat owners to keep their cats inside
of it more often.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Okay, Diane, thank you very much, really appreciated professor. You
know you've stirred trouble now you know it. Ah, yes,
good on you appreciated professor And Diane Brunton Auckland University,
School of Biological Sciences. Heather, will the bird fleu wipe
out the seagulls? One can only hope. Here's our chance?
Five to eleven?

Speaker 9 (37:53):
Ever, dup c Ellen.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
The Greens have announced they want to make union membership automatic.
They want every new employee enrolled in a union with
the old to opt out rather than to opt in,
like the situation currently is. Madima Davidson is the co
leader of the Greens and with us home, Madama.

Speaker 18 (38:07):
Got a head.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Okay, why do you want to change the rules?

Speaker 18 (38:11):
Unions are a critical way for workers to get better
paying conditions, and this bill will make it easier for
workers to belong to their union.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Will it also, though, pass the contact details of every
single new employee onto a union.

Speaker 18 (38:28):
It will require that so that people can automatically join
the union. It will remove the barriers for new workers
to belong to the union.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Okay? Is it a problem though? Giving all of that
information to unions perhaps against an employees.

Speaker 18 (38:41):
Will Similar to when good ideas are important to share
minimal information, just like joining key, we favor where those
details are passed on. For example, this is a good
idea and of course, we need to protect privacy. At
the same time the normal accountabilities will apply.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Yes, now, Madama, I've been puzzled by this announcement from
you guys today because it doesn't strike me as a
vote winner, like it's not one that's going to get
you up in the polls ahead of the election. So
are you actually is the real reason for this? You
guys trying to lure the unions away from labor to
support the Greens instead.

Speaker 18 (39:16):
Coupular responses to your question. Tolling has showed that sixty
five percent of employees would remain union members if automatically enrolled,
so there is strong public support for this change. Secondly,
for the past at least three consecutive general elections, this
has been a policy point in the Greens election manifesto

(39:39):
of automatic union membership. The difference is this time saotoion
our Stokes has actually drafted the bill, so it's ready
to go.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
And are you trying to win the unions over?

Speaker 18 (39:52):
It's about worker's rights. It's about ensuring that we are
improving the pay and conditions for the ordinary, every day worker.
And the collective bargaining power has shown that unionized workers
earn more than non humanized workers. And it's only because
of unions that we have got you know, eight hour days,

(40:14):
paid leave, health and safety conditions for example. It's important
for workers and that's part of Green's long standing copaper.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
All right, hey, thank you, madam. I go, well that's
Matima Davidson, Green Party co leader fourteen past five. Ever
do prefe about this, Heather, my son in law is
the one who held the coconut tree climbing record and
as coached his successor. I'm and Rara Tonga at the
moment and I'm waiting looking forward to meeting them all
at the airport tomorrow. Gale, good on you, thank you
for listening. It's we're surprising who so there you go.

(40:42):
Wasn't It wasn't pointless me telling you that little fact
about the tree climbing record, was it.

Speaker 9 (40:47):
Now?

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Speaking of the islands, you may recall at the time
that China launched the nuclear capable miss islands of the
South Pacific, Barry Soaper pointed out it was only really
New Zealand and Australia at the time who were publicly
telling China off about it, and most of the Pacific
Islands were completely silent on it. He was on to
something when he made that observation, because it turns out
today that the Pacific Islands Forum isn't saying anything because

(41:08):
they can't decide what to say. And at least one
media outlets got in touch with the Pacific Island Forum
secretariat yesterday to ask if there was going to be
a joint statement about the missile, and they haven't responded
at all. You can read into that one you want
two quarter pass. Look, I've covered enough rural issues on
this program to know that connectivity in the back country
isn't just an inconvenience, it's actually a problem. Forty percent

(41:31):
of New Zealand has no cell tower coverage. That's not
small gap. I mean that's nearly half a country. One
New Zealand Satellite though, is doing something about this. They
were the first talco to bring satellite mobile and IoT
to New Zealand and they've just picked up a twenty
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about where they're sitting in this space. With an eligible phone,
this is all you need, an eligible phone and a

(41:52):
plan and then a line of sight to the sky
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your phone normally shows nothing. And for farmers it's even
better because now we're talking virtual fencing collars for cattle
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(42:13):
your life easier. One New Zealand, Connected New Zealand. Wherever
that takes you together do for sea. Whether I was
waiting for Professor Diane to say that backyard poultry might
have to be banned, I don't think you were wildly
off the mark there. What I took from that is
that if you have backyard poultry, we might have to

(42:34):
ask you to kill them at some stages. That was
I just jumping to a conclusion. That's where I thought
she was headed with. That was, Yeah, it's a problem,
so you might have to kill your backyard poultry. So
we don't keep spreading this stuff anyway. If you had
a different understanding, hit me with it. Nineteen past five.
Now listen, if you're a UNI student listening to this
and you haven't got yourself a part time job, you
may be missing out because there's a new report from

(42:54):
the Education Ministry that's found that students with low and
moderate intensity work tend to actually have better pass rates
than people who don't work at all. Aiden Donahue is
president of the Victoria University of Wellington Students Association and
is with US high Aiden, good evening. Did this surprise you?
It did?

Speaker 19 (43:12):
Actually it was against my intuition, but yeah, the reports
of the findings of the report was very interesting to
read through.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
What do you reckon? What do you put it down to?
Is it like if you're in the zone. You're in
the zone, you're working and you're getting stuff done rather
than lasing about.

Speaker 19 (43:26):
Yeah, I can only speculate my two views on it
is either if you're in a position where you don't
need to work and you might feel, you know, you
have sacking its, you might make feel more comfortable dropping out.
Or the opposite is you might have not been able
to afford university and been made to have dropped out.
So it could be a combination of both, but I'd
be really interested to dive deeper in that and see
what the actual causes are.

Speaker 15 (43:48):
Now.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
The other thing that's said though is too much work
is also not good because if you're working at too
high an intensity level, obviously then your study suffer. What
do you reckon that level would be.

Speaker 19 (43:59):
I think above maybe twenty twenty four or thirty two
hours a week. I mean, you know, UNI, if you're
a full time shun you are expected to do quite
literally full time, and so having that balance of you know, eating, sleeping, studying, repeating, working,
it's it's tough to juggle. So for students, you know
heading that you know, zero to ten hour mark is ideal,
but you know, other things force you to maybe look

(44:20):
at more hours. What are you doing I'm doing full
time at the moment.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Full time work, yeah, this.

Speaker 19 (44:27):
Role is full time, but I'm doing my master's at
the same time.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Oh as in like working for the student's Association is
full time?

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Is it forty hours?

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Is it? Yes?

Speaker 2 (44:36):
How are you balancing that?

Speaker 3 (44:38):
Then?

Speaker 20 (44:40):
Great question.

Speaker 19 (44:41):
I just I've done all my course work, so it's
just my dissertation I've got to do by February. But yeah,
it is a challenge, but it's not something I'm used
to be. My undergrader was about twenty five hours at MACAS,
so it's it's just what you.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
Got to do.

Speaker 14 (44:53):
Day.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
He's good on yad and you'll do well right, thanks mate,
Really appreciate Aden Donahue, Victoria, University of Wellington Students Association President.
I reckon on reflection, and I've thought about this only
probably in the last ten years. I think I overdid
it on the work at university because I ended up
doing about thirty hours or thirty five hours a week
at the record store, and at one stage I was
managing a record store as well while I was that's

(45:15):
probably going a bit far. I think on reflection probably
could have might have lifted my grades ever so slight.
Not that my grades had much to be lifted by,
if you know what I'm saying. I'm not admitting that
I had bad grades, but I might have nudged it up,
just you know, a little, just a little bit.

Speaker 9 (45:29):
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Show podcast on my Heart Radio powered by Newstalks EBB
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Speaker 1 (45:44):
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Speaker 2 (45:52):
Here the Surely if someone wants to join a union
they will. If they don't, they won't. The bloody Greens will.
But understand what I see. Madima did not answer my
question when I if the whole strategy here about announcing
something most of us don't even think about and it's
not going to get our vo If the whole point
is to win the union support over with all of
that cash money that they bring from labor to the Greens,
she didn't answer that question, and I suspect that's what

(46:12):
it's actually about. Five point twenty four now, speaking of unions,
has anyone else been as surprised at me as I
have been at how the police union, At how much
the police union hates the government's planned move on orders.
It surprised me this week to see just how full
throated the Police Association Boss Steve What's attack of the
coming laws was. And the reason it surprised me is

(46:33):
because I would have thought that the police, better than
anyone else, would understand what a problem disruptive loiterers are
in city centers and would want to tidy up the
city streets because their job is law and literally order,
literally order. And also why I was surprised this because
my understanding is that the reason that these move on
orders are being proposed in the first place is because

(46:54):
police asked for it. But apparently the police union doesn't
feel the same as the police bosses who asked for it,
or a gamut of reasons according to Steve What, including
that police officers already have the power to address disorderly
or offensive behavior. I'm only assuming, but I think he
must be referring to the Summary Offenses Act. Now, that
line of argument from him, that they already have the
power surprise me, because if police already have the power

(47:16):
under law to clean up our streets, why aren't they
cleaning up our streets? Why are our streets in the
states that they are? Why are there people shouting at
passers by on k Road in Auckland. Why are there
people sleeping across the footpath around Commercial Bay in Auckland Central.
What do ordinary people find Wellington CBD unsafe in the evening?
Why are retailers asking for move on orders? It is

(47:40):
the answer actually that the law doesn't really give police
currently the ability to deal with this. They cannot deal
with shouting and swearing and loitering and lying across the footpath,
is Steve What being disingenuous. Yes, I think he is.
I think the clue here lies in what the Police
Association is, which brings us back to the unions. It
is a union. Unions are aligned with a part that

(48:00):
is not in government at the moment, the Labor Party.
A previous boss, Greg O'Connor, became a Labor Party MP.
That is I suspect why the police union is so
opposed to the move on orders because they actually are
coming from a right wing government and therefore they they
can't be a good thing. I would love to know,
just out of interest, I would love to know whether
police officers feel the same as their union right now,

(48:21):
heall do for see Allen, If you're in the market
for some pants, can I just draw your attention to
something that's on the internet at the moment, which is
it's gone viral that we may have the most dangerous
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called Zara's death pants. The official that's not the official name.
The official name is Floey wide leg pants. They will

(48:42):
cost them. I know it's not a great name either,
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New Zealand dollars. They're made of polyester and boast, an
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your legs. What's gone on is it's trending on social
media because people are posting videos of themselves falling, so
they trip up on them. These things get stuck in
escalators and in car doors and whatnot. One person's got

(49:04):
a bloody elbow, one's got a fractured nichees now in
a wheelchair. One's got a broken wrist, ones got a
cut face. Somebody had their head stapled back together, all
glued and broken bones, and the list goes on. So
if you're out there looking for pants, maybe maybe skip that. One.
News talks eb.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive ho it's Heather duplic Ellen
Drive with One New Zealand and the Power of Satellite
Mobile News talks that be.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Here the win. Are you going to get onto the
electricity stuff? Good question. This is the stuff about Genesis
Energy apparently losing quite a few customers in the last year,
and then Contact Energy pecking up quite a few customers.
Will have a chat to the guys from Power actually
which had to pull fuse Consumers Consumer New Zealand's power
switch manager, and he'll talk us through what is going
on here because as I mean, I think I speak

(49:56):
for a lot of Genesis Energy customers. Having just had
another one of those letters you and you go, it
might be time to sort of shop around and see
what's going on, because that letter arrived this week, didn't it. Anyway,
The huddle is standing by. We've got Phil Goff and
Jordan Williams with us short lets twenty four away from six.

Speaker 9 (50:11):
Heather duplesy Ellen, I've also got.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
A development for you in the story of the Far
North District Council trying to sign these deals with EWI.
This is the Manafucker Horn or are or hair deals.
Counselors have apparently been told that five of these deals
are going to be completed soon, but the details are
being hidden from the elected officials. Divina Smolders is a
counselor for the Far North District Council who's drawn attention
to this consistently, consistently and is with us now, High Divina.

Speaker 21 (50:35):
Good evening here, there good endings.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
What is going on here that they don't want to
show you? The information.

Speaker 21 (50:40):
Wow, it's a bit of a horrifying story. At the
Far North District Council. They've announced that they're negotiating with
five EWI and they are not showing elected members the
drafts or the public. And as we know in the
previous Manafaca hon or He agreements that they are binding
statutory agreements. They established permanent Mari governance, they're completely uncosted

(51:03):
and putting rate payers on the financial help. And lastly,
to put a kicker in, the council has a significant
and engagement policy that it must follow and what could
possibly be more significant than permanently changing how our district
is governed. So yes, a horrifying story indeed. So however,
I heard earlier on tonight that David Seymour said that

(51:25):
the ACT Party were pushing to stop new ones and
possibly rescind old ones.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Yeah, and we're going to get to that because I
do want to talk about that because there's something of
a development. But what is the reason that's been given
to you guys for not being allowed to see the information.

Speaker 21 (51:39):
That they're still negotiating and that they haven't really given
a reason. I've asked the CEO. I've asked the mayor.

Speaker 16 (51:47):
And.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Hang on, who's your CEO, guy, Hollyford? Okay, yeah, interesting,
I'll come back to that maybe at some later dates. Okay,
So have you been given is your understanding that you
will have no input at all in this process or
are you expected to be able to vote at the
last minute on whether to sign or not.

Speaker 21 (52:09):
I expect that it will come to full council once
it has been negotiated and once it has all been
finalized between EWI and the staff right and the mayor
so on.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
So what is going on here apparently around the country,
and you've drawn our attention to it, is that councils
are rushing to get this through before the new RMA
laws come in because obviously if the thing is signed
then under the new RMA laws it will carry over.
Is this going to now that David Seymour says that
they are going to move to stop that, So it
doesn't matter if you've signed it or not, it's not
going to apply at all after the new RAMA laws.

(52:42):
Will councils suddenly stop signing these agreements or all they
carry on?

Speaker 21 (52:48):
It depends on what the National Party in New Zealand. First,
this is the government's biggest test that is put before
them and depends how much guts they've got on what
they will do. So in the next two weeks is
their big opportunity to get it right. Act are saying
all the right things on how to do that, and
so if we're going to change it, now is the
time to change it right. Essentially, e we have the

(53:10):
key to the house, they have full exclusive access to
all the bedrooms, and they're on the renovation committee and
the rate payers are paying the mortgage. So instead of
changing the locks on the doors, we need a whole
new house, all right, so X will be doing that.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Hey, thank you, Devina, appreciate it. Devenu Smolders Far North
District councilor twenty one away from six the Huddle.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
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Speaker 2 (53:35):
On the Huddle of us this evening, we've got Jordan
Williams of the Taxpayers Union and fill Golf, former Labor
ministan Or Klamare Hello you too, Hello, yeah, hello, well
thank you now Jordan, what is going on here? Because
it sounds to me like David Cymore in the Act
Party want to get rid of this and stop this
from being carried over into the new RMA laws. What
is Chris Bishop The problem here.

Speaker 6 (53:56):
I'm really worried. This is that that interview touched on
the two things the Taxpayers Union has been harping on
about for some months now. One is that counselors need,
like company directors, very clear statutory rights to be able
to demand information. They are the mind of the organization.
They should be able to say anything, they are be

(54:17):
able to mend it whatever information is held by the council.
That bill before Parliament to fix this that unfortunately we
were the germ off because we managed to convince the
previous Minister of Locatement to fix this problem. Would make
the problem even worse and harder to get information out.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
That's first.

Speaker 6 (54:33):
The second with relation to these matter of flackaajone agreements,
is that councils have been rushing at and it is
just like Simon Wattson's biggest screw up. If there is
one area where the National Party were very clear prior
to the last election that they would not that they
would stop co governance, it was three Waters. They removed

(54:56):
the requirement for co governance, but have turned a blind
eye and let councils ram in exactly the same model
as Nanaiamahoota was requiring councils. And here we have the
same thing where that RIMA replacement bills say that it
puts into place in locks and statute effectively what agreements

(55:19):
the councils put in place prior to that those bills
coming into effect. So what is happening is they're letting
councils and it's the officials here, it's not the elected
officials running away and doing these deals. And then the
reason why they don't let the councilors sort of keep
them up to date along the way is it then
gets the council and it's sort of an all or

(55:39):
nothing and we've got I'm sorry, council, we've got a deadline,
we can't go back. We've got all the parties in
agreement and are being stitched up. But really the responsibility
lies with Simon Watts being the minister. And I'm very
sorry to tell listeners that it is great news that
actors coming out swinging on this, but it was the
same with Three Waters, where the Nats deliberately did not

(56:01):
take action, and from what I'm hearing around the traps,
that is, unless we really put pressure on the government here,
the same thing's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
So just answer my question is it's Simon Wats. Who's
the problem here?

Speaker 6 (56:11):
Simon Watts is the Minister of Local Government. But it
is the identical problem in terms of what happened with
the Three Waters. Is the here it is the RMA
replace which is Chris christ Biship.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
The problem is he dragging his heels.

Speaker 6 (56:26):
No, the problem is around the cabinet table. The National
Party are desperate not to engage on what is quite
a constitutional.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
So it's okay, So the Nats have got the ick
about race relations and they don't want to go I.

Speaker 6 (56:39):
Don't want to go ahead, and so if they can
just you know there literally the line is. And I'm
as you can tell, I'm quite pissed off about us
because when we have put out email blasts, I've had ministers,
including a minister I used to work for sale. This
is just a taxpayer union fundraising or whatever. I debate
the substance, but that is absolutely dishonest, okay. And on

(57:01):
this is just like Three Waters that they refuse to
engage on it. They say, oh, it's not us requiring,
and it's the councils it's but it's they are.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Well, they're about to be tested because to stop it,
and they're not prepared to stop it, then they're the problem.
This is the National Party of US. So, Phil, what
do you make of all of this stuff?

Speaker 22 (57:18):
Well, I'm going to be consistent on this. I was
opposed to three wards because I didn't think central governments
should be dictating to local government what it should be doing.
We were democratically elected, we were accountable to our electors.
And I'm opposed to the National Party and the Coalition's
u turn on the idea that you'd have localism, that
the democratically elected and accountable representatives on council shouldn't be

(57:41):
told what to do about every single thing by central government.
Why the hell do we have local government if central
government overrides it all the time. So what I say
is that local government's close to the people in their area.
That people don't like what the local government's doing, they
can change it, but they don't need to be dictated
to central government on almost every aspect of what they

(58:03):
are doing. So I'm opposed to the Act Party trying
to dictate to local government because David Seymour and Christopher
Luxen both said very sincerely, what we're going to change
if we are elected is that we're going to restore localism.
Well they're not. They're telling local government what it should
be doing. It's the electors that should tell local government

(58:24):
what they should be doing, not the central government.

Speaker 6 (58:27):
But reason mines can differ on lots of various telling
local councilors what to do, but surely it is the
role of central government to number one, ensure those democratically
elected councilors have the tools I able to demand the
information to effectively govern and to protect that local democratic

(58:51):
accountability because of course what these agreements are all about
is shifting powers out of the democratic elected councils into
you know, unelected body hands based on race.

Speaker 23 (59:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (59:08):
Well look, I've been relatively recently involved in local government
and I can tell you that it's not the case
of the officials telling us what to do. They put
their reports to us, they provide information, but counselors make
the decision. And I can't believe that the counselor from
the Far North Council isn't getting the information, or doesn't

(59:29):
believe that she has the right I demmand the information
about what's happening. You know, I think that what Heather
would do is but for some of the other local councilors,
because I think that the particular council we had on
the program isn't necessarily representative of what the other councilors
believe that you had.

Speaker 6 (59:46):
The manner and strength to be able to steer down officials.
Every day I have counselors around the country approach my
team at the Taxpayers Union saying we can't find out
this information. I remember, I think prior to your time,
the late Dick Quacks on Auckland Council being unable to
get you know that it was the councilors at the
time the largest contract what the key performance metrics were

(01:00:10):
because he was told, I'm sorry, counselor, that's operational. This
problem of council that's being unable to get information is
rife and we're never going to fix the quality of
governance if we don't give counselors the tools in order
to be able to govern. And the unfortunate thing is
the bill before Parliament would actually make the problem worse.

Speaker 22 (01:00:30):
Well, I got any talk from my own experience, and
that is that any counselor on my council that wanted
information from council, they were entitled to it and they
could get it. And I wish that that's the way
democracy works. And that's why I didn't want three warders
and I didn't want central government. You know, Central government
came in, they told us one thing on planning laws

(01:00:50):
and intensification. Labor and National teamed up together. It was
a disaster, you know, building the three by threes, including
on floodplain areas. Then they came back under the new
government and imposed Plan Change one hundred and twenty. And
then there was a difference of opinion in the National Caucus,
so the council halfway through it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
I do go back. Yeah, okay, okay, we'll just go
to breakway.

Speaker 6 (01:01:12):
That's my raise.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Yeah, I appreciate your ravy. It was a good rave.
We'll come back and just to take thirteen away.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
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Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
We're back on the huddle, Phil Golf and Jordan Williams. Phil,
what do you make of David Seymore coming out with
the idea of, instead of banning social media for the kids,
banning the smartphones for under sixteens.

Speaker 11 (01:01:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:01:33):
Look, I think they are real problems with the access
to social media platforms by kids, and we all know
what they are. There are equally unintended consequences of either
banning their access to those platforms or banning them having
smartphones all together. When I was a kid, you probably well,
you know, you're a bit younger than me, a lot younger.

(01:01:55):
You know, if I wanted some information, I'd go to
the Encyclopedia Britannica. If I'm a kid to I pick
up a phone and I access the Internet because that
gives me access to learning materials and things that I
need to know. If I want the news and I'm
a kid, you know, I won't go out and buy
a newspaper. They probably never did, but they will look

(01:02:15):
up on what social media is saying about the news. Now,
I think the social media ban in Australia hasn't been successful.
We shouldn't rush into it. But equally, you know, banning
access to social media all together for kids under the
age of sixteen, I think whether it's David Seymour's plan
or the government's plan, I think is doomed to failure

(01:02:37):
until they can get it right. So my advice would
be take your time, get it right, do it once,
and do it properly. Because the Australians are rushed into it,
the Brits are about to do the same, and I
think they'll fall on their faces.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Is it not more likely to work, Jordan if we
ban the hardware instead of the software.

Speaker 6 (01:02:54):
Yeah, we're talking about on this panel before. I mean,
reason minds can different whether you should ban social media
for under sixteens. The real issue is that you're creating
a sort of surveillance framework in order to police it,
where you have to ship your papers please or show
your papers, and what it sets up is a regime.
We're basically the government. Well one knows who you are,
so you lose their anonymity, and two a regime we're

(01:03:17):
sort of you know, we've we've all been there in
a hotel and in the cargo late at night, you're
on your computer and you might want to, you know,
look up pictures of Muhammad or something where the government
and the government's going to track you and know exactly
who you are.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
I thought you were going down to shame for a minute.
That's was that the sexy music?

Speaker 6 (01:03:38):
And that's the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
That's that there it is.

Speaker 6 (01:03:42):
But that's the problem from the free speech perspective is
that it sets up and that's the sort of unintended consequences.
So you can support them on how do you avoid
that it affecting the rights about us?

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Filled his rave before? But does it? Is it not
more likely to work if you ban the phones than
the social I think it's quite a cute solution.

Speaker 6 (01:03:57):
I mean it's civil liberty. It's a question and do
you think the civil liberties apply to kids or not?

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Well parent?

Speaker 6 (01:04:03):
And also it does force you to buy instead of
hand me down phones, you have to buy a kid
friendly side.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Stop being such a scrooge. Hey, guys, thank you, look
after yourself. Phil Goff, Jordan Williams a huddle This evening
seven away from six, it's the.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Heather too for see allan drive full show podcast on
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Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
I think I've got my answer on the police union.
Hither our police union as we can left us? As
an officer, I'd like the power to move these people
on presently, we can only really move them on if
they're committing an offense that they can be arrested for. Maybe, James,
you should write to Steve, the Police Association boss, and
let him know that, because that's not what he thinks
is happening out on the streets anymore. Hither I'm a
member of the Police Association. Do not support the association's position.

(01:04:43):
I know no one in the police that supports that position. Sean,
thank you, and I'm getting I cannot tell you how
many text messages I'm getting along these lines. Read what's
going on with the EWE agreements and council and National
not wanting to move on it? Heather, Hello to the
National Party. This is why your polling is so low.
That is I think that is a sentiment you will

(01:05:04):
find many many people agree with you on I don't
want to say I told you so, but I told
you so. I did warn you about the SpaceX IPO,
didn't I I remember doing it. I was doing Hosking shows.
Hosking was on. It was a swaning it was swanning
around in Scotland, and I said to you on his program,
said this feels wrong for a bunch of reasons, way

(01:05:25):
too much hype. One month later, the share price has
dropped below the IPO price came in at one hundred
and thirty five dollars this USD obviously one hundred and
thirty five. It's now sitting at one hundred and thirty
two zero point six to two, and if you count
it from the high on the day, it has fallen
forty one percent of its value. According to one analyst,
the reason is this, there hasn't been anything that lately
to remind people of some of the catalysts for why

(01:05:46):
they bought SpaceX Lord above. It's just vibes, isn't it.

Speaker 20 (01:05:50):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Do I have time? No, I don't have time. I
don't have time to tell you about the AI debate
that's going on, because there was the big AI speech
from Albanezi yesterday. But there is a big AI debate
going on about a song, and give us a little
boost to that song.

Speaker 20 (01:06:03):
In command start a little.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
I love a shady little remix of some once great song. Anyway,
I'll tell you about that when I get a chance
in the next half hour A because there's a little
there's a little thing going on there, just really quickly
on Argentina. They could actually get themselves in trouble for
that banner that they held up this morning at the
semi final, the one that said the Falklands are Argentine.
FIFA has a code of conduct for stadiums which ban banners, flags, flys,

(01:06:33):
apparel and other paraphernalia that are of a political offensive
and all discriminatory nature. That is very political to a
lot of people in England that would be offensive. So
that just let's just see what happens. I mean, I
don't know. It's FIFA, you know, the corrupt, like FIFA
definition corrupt. So probably not gonna do anything about it,
but you never know, you never know. We'll deal with

(01:06:54):
the electricity prices. Next news talk, said.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
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Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
Even in coming up in the next hour, we have
the biggest US banks just reporting Ernie's earnings. So Sam
Dickey on what that says about the global economy's health
just after half past but of a rough day for
the sheep farmers. Jamie McKay on that shortly and Andy
Burnham wants more taxes where chatter end Brady out of
the UK seven past six. Now there is new data
out showing the number of customers that the electricity retailers

(01:07:45):
are losing and gaining. Genesis Energy was the biggest loser
according to the Electricity Authority data hemorrhaging thirty five thousand
customers in the year to June. Contact was the biggest winner,
gaining an extra twenty thousand customers. Paul Fus is the
manager of power Switch Consumer New Zealand and with US Evening,
Paul Good Evening, what happened to Genesis, Well, the main.

Speaker 7 (01:08:06):
Thing with Genesis is they got rid of their subsidiary brand,
Frank Energy, which was kind of their budget budget brand,
very popular, you know, and a lot of customers. We're
happy with that and elected to move retailers at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
And Contact why did it win so many.

Speaker 7 (01:08:26):
It got some pretty sharp offers in the market. What
you find with the market is it's quite volatile, and
so retailers will come in out of acquisition mode, you know,
as they procure ulctricity on the wholesale market at good rates,
they'll seek to you know, balance their books up by
acquiring customers, and Contact went into acquisition mode with some
pretty sharp offers over the last year. But that's swinging

(01:08:47):
around again. Now in the last month, looking at power
switch data, we see Genesis coming back through. In fact,
they were the second highest with power switch, which is
in the last month. So it does change around quite
a bit depending on each retailer is at in terms
of their you know, their their overall position in terms
of what they're buying on the wholesale market and what
they can sell.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Now, something like four hundred and fifty thousand customers switched
in the last year. Does that kind of undermine that
narrative that there isn't that much competition in the electricity market.

Speaker 7 (01:09:19):
A lot of those will be what's called moveing switches,
and that's that's where people move house. It's recorded as
a switch, even if you stay with the same same customers.
So around it's around three quarters of switches will be
moving switches roughly. But but yeah, but still we are

(01:09:39):
seeing switching picking up, and we are seeing some seeing
some really positive signs over the last month or so
of competition heading up, which is really positive. We've had
a couple of years now, where you know, as you
know that the wholesale market has been very high and
that's that's made retailer is a bit nervous around taking
on too many new customers too quickly. But what we've

(01:09:59):
seen mean as wholesome market, the prices are coming down
quite a bit, and that's making retailers sort of, you know,
perk up a little bit. And we start just starting
to see signs of retailers making some pretty sharp offers,
which is really positive.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Hey did you see him? In the last week, I've
been getting a fair number of emails and texts from
people who've had letters from Genesis Energy saying the discounts
are gone. Are you across this?

Speaker 7 (01:10:24):
Well, no, I'm not across that in particular, but yeah,
I think you know retailers, I mean, the overarching messages
is retailers are changing their positions all the time, and
that's why it's important for customers to sort of shop
around quite a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
But I would imagine, don't you think, Paul, that this
would precipitate quite a bit of movement. Like as a result,
I'm a customer of Genesis, I got the letter, I
am now going to go onto Power switch and have
a look if I'm on the best deal, And I'd
imagine quite a few people would do that, wouldn't they.

Speaker 7 (01:10:51):
Well, surprisingly not. The big challenge we have is customers
in general. Electricity customers are quite apathetic and disengaged and
mistrustful of the industry. And thirty percent of customers think
that all retailers charge about the same anyway, and that's
simply not true. But yeah, and that's you know, a

(01:11:11):
lot of gent tailors and retailers will trade off that
knowing that they can do things, and customers will grumble
but not necessarily take action. And that's what we're trying
to change through power switches, to sort of get customers
to take action, because that's what will really drive electricity
prices down. If customers on mass start switching and changing
provider regularly, it'll make retailers really sharpen their pencil.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Yeah, okay, I'll do my bit for you, Paul Hey,
thank you very much. Appreciate a pulfuge consumer New Zealand
power switch manager here the RESPACEX. The institutional investors of
SpaceX who were able to buy it below the IPO
were mostly bound to hold shares for thirty days to
avoid flipping. Now they can flip them. That's why the
share prices dipped mm because what is it normally it's
normally they're normally bound for about six months, aren't they,

(01:11:56):
And in this case it was only thirty days, which
was always a bit of a problem, wasn't it. Here
the numbers for you ends at X fifty down zero
point one four percent. Today's a pretty flat ASX fifty
flat so far, just down zero point zero four percent.
Barrel of Brent crude is now costing your eighty five
US dollars, just down half percentage point. During the course
of the day, one New Zealand dollar is worth fifty
nine US cents, eighty four Ozzie cents, fifty one euro cents,

(01:12:17):
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Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
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Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Right, We're going to deal with the AI thing that
I was meaning to tell you about earlier. Shortly right now,
it's sixteen Pars six and Jamie McKay hosts of the
Countries with.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
Us the Rural Report with Farmlands. Rural never rests and
neither as Farmlands.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Hello, Jamie, can I hear that not a great day?
To be a ship farmer.

Speaker 15 (01:13:34):
No, well, it hasn't been a great week in some
ways to be a farmer. Earlier in the week, and
I think we talked about this one on Tuesday night,
Fonterra dropped its forecast milk price by fifty cents. Well,
today it's the turn for the sheep farmer's. Strong wall market,
which has made great recovery in the past six months
or so, took a bit of a slide today. And

(01:13:55):
when I say it slide, it was a reasonable one.
Strong will indicated down sixty two that's nearly ten percent
and only sixty two percent sold, so that means thirty
eight percent was passed in now. The wall market experienced,
as I said, very strong markets, especially during May and June.
It was hoped that there would be a leveling of

(01:14:18):
prices following those strong gains, but no, the market slumped
quite a bit today. Most European mills are closed for
the summer holidays. It's that hot over there. They probably
don't want to sit around on a computer and buy
wooll in New Zealand. As for China and India, they
appear to be taking a wait and see approach. The
speed and volatilility of these price movements is creating a

(01:14:40):
bit of a challenge, not surprisingly for war growers, brokers
and exporters. And that is quoting the PGG rights and
report hot off the press tonight. So hopefully it's a
glitch in the market, because honestly, that's been an achilles
hill for farming and for sheep farmers the fact that
strong wool, especially we go back to COVID times, was
worth nothing, absolutely nothing, and farmers were having to pay

(01:15:03):
quite a bit more to get it off than what
they could to sell it. It's gone up markedly, So,
as I said, hopefully this is just a glitch.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
So what's the situation with lamb in the US.

Speaker 15 (01:15:14):
Here, Well, there's another bad news story, I guess for
sheep farmers. Meat industry leaders, namely Beef and Lamb New
Zealand and the Meat Industry Association are disappointed that the
US has decided to initiate a safeguards investigation into lamb
imports from Australia and New Zealand. We're not alone in

(01:15:35):
this one. The investigation is going to be carried out
by the US's International Trade Commission. It's expected to take
up to six months. It will determine whether imports ie
from New Zealand and Australia are causing or threatening to
cause serious industry injuries. Should I say to the US
lamb industry any decision to restrict imports could include tariffs,

(01:15:57):
that dirty word or quota limits. And it sits. And
this is even more of a worry in the hands
of the US president. New Zealand lamb, of course, currently
faces a ten percent tariff in the US. Now the
US is saying we're undercutting them in the market. They're
saying between twenty twenty and twenty twenty four, imports surged

(01:16:20):
by forty five percent. They now account for seventy percent
of the US market. But beef and lamb New Zealand
and the Meat Industry Association, in a joint statement, said
that's bollocks. The average selling price in the US for
New Zealand lamb is twenty two bucks aquilo. That compares
to the industry's global average of fourteen dollars aquilo. Look,

(01:16:43):
the sheep meat industry in the US is very small.
It's a very minor player. This is just an excuse
for Trump to chuck another tariff on US.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
Oh jeez. He loves it. Ay, Jamie, thanks very much mate.
We'll talk to you next week. Enjoy your weekend. That
is Jamie McKay. Weekend starts with him today, obviously, Jamie McKay,
host of the Country. By the way, Andy Burnham, who
is going to be the Prime Minister of the UK
in five minutes, has admitted he's going to put up taxes. Well,
not that he's going to, but that he is considering
putting up taxes. He says he will have to make
some difficult decisions to balance the nation's finances, which may

(01:17:13):
include having to ask for a little more from taxpayers. Yay.
He's refused to rule out wealth taxes. How do you
think that's going to go down? How do you think
that's going to go down? For Andy? He's starting, he's
fresh in the job. He's the big breath of fresh air,
he's the shiny new thing. And then he wants some
more of their money. Not well, is my prediction. He

(01:17:34):
is going to crash and burn so fast. Just watch
twenty past six.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
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Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
I saw New Zealand lamrecks many high end California supermarkets
recently for one hundred and seven New Zealand US dollars. Well,
hold on, that can't be right. One hundred and seven
New Zealand dollars per Kgee go the farmers. Thanks for
telling me love a bit of success. Okay, here we go.
This is off the back of Albanesi's Big Ai announcement yesterday.
There is unrelated quite a big Ai drama going on

(01:18:20):
across the ditch because the most played song on the
radio in Australia at the moment is the cover of
Madonna's Just Like a Prayer by a DJ called Josh
fa waz he Go. And I mean, I know if
you if you're at one of his little beach clubs

(01:18:42):
in Bali and this is playing, you're having a cocktail
lying on the sun lounger, you wouldn't hate it, would you.
Les comes strange that it's the most played anyway. The
problem here is that he's accused of using AI to
create the song because the experts reckon it has all
the hallmarks of AI, like being heavily compressed, just the
general stuff that they look for. He is not denying

(01:19:03):
that he's used AI here. The question, though, is to
what extent has he used AI? If you use it
to tweak various things in your song, like your audio track,
your vocal tracks a bit off and you just tweak
it with the AI, that's fine. But if you're using
it to generate the entire song, it's not fine. Again,
as a water true, no, the song, I don't know,

(01:19:28):
is it? Great answer? I mean, this is your time.

Speaker 8 (01:19:30):
I would totally be bopping along to this if it
wasn't you know AI?

Speaker 15 (01:19:34):
What are so?

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
If it's AI generated, you're not bopping.

Speaker 8 (01:19:37):
Pay your vocalist fat go on, you're.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
Suppressing your bop. Okay, so answers on principle, suppressing.

Speaker 8 (01:19:41):
His I wouldn't been able to tell.

Speaker 17 (01:19:43):
Notices water truetals.

Speaker 8 (01:19:49):
That he's done heaps of electronics stuff too. There's no
way to tell that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
No, I don't know, I don't hate I'm gonna be honest,
I don't really hate it anyway. What's driving people nuts
about this is how popular the song is.

Speaker 15 (01:19:58):
Ok.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
Because he's got this guy has gone from a viral
from absolutely No. One to being a viral sensation. He's
had thirty five million streams on Spotify for the song.
He's topped the iTunes Electronic chart worldwide. His album has
gone to number eighteen on the Australian charts. Incidentally, and
probably the most interesting thing about him is that his
uncle is listed as doing the synths and the production

(01:20:20):
on the song. And his uncle is Faddy far Waus.
That's right, George Michael's former boyfriend six twenty five.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
I mean, are we just playing the same song? It
could happen that this sounds exactly the same what you
talking about.

Speaker 8 (01:20:38):
The last song was house this is this is more
of a sort of deep, dirty techno beat.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
Okay, here we go. You are not going to believe
the newest beauty tread beauty beauty. That's why we're playing
this because it sounds like rumback.

Speaker 8 (01:20:53):
I think I think we're playing because it's the theme
from the movie The Substance, which was about like beauty products.
I think that's that's a producer saw that one.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Does feel a bit runway anyway, because what I'm going
to tell you about is the substance people are taking.
You remember when they discovered ozebic, Now everyone just looks
a theom. The new thing they're taking at the moment
is something that makes you look younger. It's a new peptide.
It's called g HK slash q CU. You know what
the CU is A because you did your periodic table,

(01:21:20):
isn't it copper? It's basically copper and some natural acids acid.
So these celebrities are basically swallowing copper. Hailey Beaber is
one of them. She takes a copper peptide pill every
single day. She reckons it makes her hair and his
skin and her nails really nice. But apparently there's a
really big problem with this. It's been reported by some users,
which is being dubbed the copper uglies because in some

(01:21:42):
people has the opposite effect, which is very unfortunate. The
drug does the opposite of what it's supposed to do,
and it rapidly ages your skin. Some people on Reddit
say their skin gets hard like a leathery handbag, which
is not what you want. Also, there is the risk
that if you take too much of it, you get
it's just like a really really really small problem, not
not a big one. Copper poisoning, so that happens too,

(01:22:05):
So you know, like some benefits, some negatives, whatever you
choose for yourself. You're a grown up. Fifty dollars, that's
all it is, fifty dollars USD for a month's supply
of injectable copper peptide or swallowable copper peptide. It's probably
because of the price point, going to become the next
big thing in beauty. So yeah, now what you're looking
for is really skinny people like skinny as a scarecrow

(01:22:26):
with leather handbag faces. You know they're doing both the things.

Speaker 8 (01:22:31):
Ms not like a Black Marror episode, Isn't.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
It Sounds awesome, sounds low risk, sounds like I'm doing
that tomorrow. Sam Dicky's with us next. The big banks
in the US have reported what does it mean for
the global economy? Let's find out News Talk ZB.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
Well, if it's to do with money, it matters to you.
The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and Mass Insurance
and Investments, Your Futures in Good Hands Used Talks Hevy.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
Heather on those EWE deals with counsels. Can you get
Simon Wat's on your program for a please explain? I laughed,
my evil laugh, because I have tried to get Simon
Wat's on for a bunch of stuff related to councils
and this kind of stuff. And yeah, sure, I mean, like,
this is what I'm going to do, right is I'm
just building up a portfolio of things to get Simon

(01:23:27):
on about. So when Simon Simon's going to say, I'm
coming on to talk about whatever he thinks he's coming
on about, and then we'll just talk about this. So
next time he or Chris Bishop or on the show,
this is coming up, because I just I don't know,
can we be fast getting them on? Specially? Let's see
how we will sleep on it, sleep on it, wake
up tomorrow morning, we'll see how we feel. Maybe we'll
see how we feel on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Raidy,

(01:23:48):
this is not going away. It's a problem ahead of
the election. You know, it's an enormous problem. Hey, speaking
of which, we may have found out the show's favorite
election candidate. So stand by and we will introduce you
to Martin shortly it's twenty four away from seven. Now
onto actually serious subjects is what It's all serious obviously,
But the biggest US banks have just reported earnings and

(01:24:09):
they give us one of the clearest snapshots of the
health of the US and the global economy. And Sam
Dickey from Fisher Funds has been looking into this for
US and he's with us now. Hello, Sam, Good evening, right,
So run me through it. Who reported? Were the results
good or were they bad?

Speaker 23 (01:24:21):
Yes, Jab, Morgan, Golden Sachs, Bank of America, Morgan, Standing
and City all reported and results were stellar. They beat
expectations by a mile. And the driver was not good
old retail banking, but it was trading. So if you
think about all the volatility from Iran, the AI frenzy,
the unexpected wash fed tightening, that all causes trillions of

(01:24:44):
dollars to need to reposition fast, and the big banks
clipped the ticket on every trade. So Goldman's equities desk,
for example, made a record profit for any bank ever
in a single quarter.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
So what are they saying about the health of the
US consumer?

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
That's the really interesting part.

Speaker 23 (01:25:04):
So despite Iran, despite sticky inflation, despite higher petrol prices,
the US consumer is remarkably resilient and JP Morgan's card spending,
for example, was up almost ten percent year on year,
and they lowered their expected credit card default rates so
fewer people are falling behind and expected wells. FAGO, a
big retail bank over there, said consumer trends and resilient. Sorry,

(01:25:26):
consumer trends and resilience have been very strong. It's hard
to see that change in the short term. And Jamie
Diamond is always good to listen to. He said the
whole environment was as close to as good as it gets,
but he gave a typically sobering caveat where he said
we're facing an increasingly complex set of risks and warned

(01:25:46):
when the credit cycle turns, losses will be worse than
people expect. And he also said that the lower income
consumers are already pulling back.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
What does that mean for investors? Do you think?

Speaker 9 (01:25:56):
Well?

Speaker 23 (01:25:57):
I think it's exceptional resilience from the world's biggest consumer segment,
spider Ran despite inflation is encouraging. But bear in mind
Diamond's warning. When things are as close to as good
as they get, watched for risks building beneath the surface.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
Sam always good advice. I really appreciate it, mate, you
look after yourself. Samdicky Fisher funds twenty two away from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
To ever do for ce Ellen.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
Speaking of Chris Bisship, this is no good from Chris Bishop.
What I'm about to tell you not good at all.
He turns out he's doing the same thing that Michael
Wood did with the Boober Bike bridge to Burkenhead. Do
you remember that, Remember how Michael would He said, you
know what we're gonna do. We're gonna build this gigantic bridge,
get the consultants in, and then he blew like fifty
one million dollars or so, just off the top of
my head, I can't remember exactly, but he blew a

(01:26:39):
magnitude of money, like a huge amount of money on
consultants and offices and all kinds of crap. And then
what did we end up with as a result of it. Nothing,
no bridge, just wasting money. I'm sorry to say. Chris
Bishop's done the same thing. He has spent at least
three hundred and twenty three million dollars on roads of
national significance that ain't gonna happen. These are the roads.
In fact, you remember he came out the other day,

(01:26:59):
and he was like, this is phase one, this is
Phase two, this is phase three of the roads. Phase
one of the roads are the only roads that you
could count because they've got money and construction dates. Phase
two have no funding. They there's I think maybe some
funding for Phase two, like maybe possibly, but I don't
think so. I think Phase two and Phase three have
no funding, no construction dates. There's nothing going on there.
Northland Expressway, East West Link, Hamilton, Southern Links, Patoni to Grenada,

(01:27:23):
the Cross Valley Links, stat Over One, Wellington Improvements, the
Hope Bypass, and he's managed to blow three hundred and
twenty three million dollars on kind of concocting this stuff
and with much like Michael Wood, with the best of
intentions to actually have the stuff built, but actually there
was not enough money to have it built. So in
the end we've just done exactly the same thing, which
is that we've blown millions and millions and millions and

(01:27:44):
millions of dollars on god only knows what, including consultants.
And the problem with this is you actually expect better
of National, don't you, Like Michael Wood, you expected that
National just thoroughly disappointed anyway, So as I said, we
may have found our favorite candidate of the election campaign,
acts candidate for Northcote, Martin Martin in her previous life

(01:28:07):
was impossibly still as who knows a registered nurse. He's
from Sweden, moved here in twenty twelve. That's not the
interesting stuff about him. But I'm just giving you a
bit just to explain. This is what he is, registered
nurse from Sweden, been here for a while. What is
interesting about Martin is his approach to social media. So
he's running his campaign in Northcote on his Instagram account,

(01:28:29):
in which he does social media videos straight down the
barrel of the camera and the very explanatory.

Speaker 24 (01:28:39):
Hello, this is Martin and the sunny Northcote. The latest
talk is that we're looking at the Mpier retirement perks now,
David Seymour, he's making it clear that we need to
look into this. However, Chris Hipkins of Labor, he is
less keen for reasons are unknown only to him.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
Now, I strongly encourage you to go and look at
Martin's Instagram so that you can get the full frightening experience. Experience.
It is so frightening, Louis he looks I did I looked.
I went and looked again. I was like, does Martin blink? Yes?
Thank god, at least he's blinking, because we know this
life there straight down the barrel, like he's looking into

(01:29:26):
your soul while explaining retirement perks to you. It's quite hypnotic.
I mean, to be fair, we can't all be Paul Henry,
but you know this, This is like there's Paul Henry
on this end of the scale, and then there's Martin
on this end of the scale. I think why he's
got ninety nine ninety nine followers, which is not sufficient.
So what I'm suggesting is that we tim payne him.

(01:29:49):
I think we all need to go and click on
the following link and help him along, help him along,
lift that because what happens then is the algorithm is
going to disperse them to more people. So that way
more and more is because you're doing a service for
other kiwis. You're dispersing him to other voters who will
also be able to enjoy a very good explanation of

(01:30:10):
what is going on in a particular subject. Also while
being hypnotized, Go and have a look what is it,
Martin Lundquist. There's a very hard I'm gonna spell this
for you because it's Swedish l un d Qvist. Act

(01:30:31):
north Cot you just like roughly, do you know what?
Just go act north Cote Martin and I Reckon. You'll
find him on Instagram. You are welcome, enjoy, follow, and
let's boost him up. I'm gonna look tomorrow and I
want to see that his numbers have gone up from
ninety nine. That's all I'm going to say about that.

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
Seventeen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:30:47):
It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on
my Heart Radio powered by News Talk zb.

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
Crouching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:30:58):
It's Heather Duplessy Allen The Business Hour with May's Insurance
and investments, your futures in good heads used talks.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
I'd be a good point on Chris Bishop burning money
on roads that will never exist. Don't you think he's
about to do the same thing on local government reform,
which will never fix the root cause problems, but will
burn hundreds of millions of dollars. Shifting the deck chairs
around the Titanic Haver, you may well be onto something
I'm not. I Yeah, there's a conversation for us to
have about this regional council amalgamation stuff that's going on.

(01:31:26):
I'm not I'm not entirely comfortable. We'll get to it
at some stage. Fourteen away from seven D Brady UK
correspondence with us hallo ender mate. The English must be gutted.

Speaker 20 (01:31:39):
My wife's still in bed, that's how depressed she is.
What can you say her? What can you say? Look
that we're beaten by a better team, and if you
look in the news coverage here this morning, they've got
the German to blame the manager of the England team,
Thomas Tougle, the coach. They're blaming him for his tactics
and going too defensive too quickly after scoring the goal.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
Is it fair?

Speaker 20 (01:32:03):
I think partly. But look, I think Tukel is smart
enough to realize that if they kept going toe to
toe with Argentina that were going to get ripped open
like a canis sardines. So he may have gone a
little bit too early with the defensive tactics. But look,
the one thing you know, I'm Irish, but I've been here,
been here twice as long as I've lived in Ireland,
and I know a lot of the lads who play
for England, and I've watched a lot of England games

(01:32:25):
over the years. The one thing I think this morning
that they can have pride in is the fact that
there's no big Maradonna handball situation, terrible refereeing situation, Beckham
getting sent off situation, fair and square, they were beaten
by a better team.

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
How did the English feel about the Benna?

Speaker 20 (01:32:43):
Not good, I'll be honest. It's a very very sensitive thing. Obviously,
there was a huge loss of Argentinian life in nineteen
eighty two in the Falklands War, and equally many many
British servicemen and women lost their lives in that war
as well. So it's a very sensitive situation, but again
entirely predictable that Argentinian players would do this. You know,

(01:33:04):
they call the Falklands last Malvinas and they're saying that
they are ours. What will happen now is if FIFA
have any backbone, they will get involved, because you're not
supposed to have political gestures as a soccer match.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
Now, question for you, because I've been watching Harry Kane
and now you say you know everybody in the squad anyway,
I've been watching Harry Kane throughout this is he as
much of a sourpuss as he looks to be.

Speaker 20 (01:33:26):
No, not at all. He's just a very professional guy
and when he's playing soccer and when he's doing interviews,
it's his job. He's good, he's fun. He has a
lot of holidays in the West of Ireland where his
dad's from. His dad's from County Mayo. A heart of gold,
Harry Kane has and I started running marathons. My mother
got breast cancer and I kind of made a deal
with God that if she got through that I'd raise

(01:33:47):
an awful lot of money for breast cancer. And I
approached Harry and I asked for a few jerseys. I've
been having jerseys ever since signed Penance. Yeah, he's helped
me raise tens of thousands of dollars for breat cancer
research in Ireland in England.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
Oh, I'm glad you told me that, because I looked
at him and thought and that doesn't look like a
fun guy. So I'm glad. I'm glad to hear that.

Speaker 9 (01:34:06):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
Listen Andy Burnham coming in and saying he may have
to raise Texas. This is going to get him off
to a bed start, isn't.

Speaker 20 (01:34:12):
It it is if he does this. Look at all
of this speculation in the papers. We don't know what
he's going to do because there was no manifest though.
We don't know what his policies are. But yes, this
topic keeps rearing its head again. Tax the wealth, wealth taxes.
The rich are going to have to pay more. The rich,
you're all leaving. They've all gone to Milan. The Italians
are hoovering rich people up. The Italian government now has

(01:34:35):
a policy where if you pay two hundred thousand euros
a year just as a one off tax, they don't
want to know what else you're earning anywhere else in
the world. So the rich are relocating themselves two hours
flight away to Milan, where property is cheaper than London,
the wine is better, the food is better, and the
weather is better. So I think if Andy Burnham pushes
ahead and keeps destroying the wealthy with taxes, there's going

(01:34:57):
to be tumbleweed left here.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
Yeah too, right, And who's he decided for his chancellor.

Speaker 20 (01:35:02):
So it looks like the Home Secretary Shabana ma Mood
will become the next chancellor or financial finance minister. Basically,
there have been whispers that Ed Milliband would be given
that gig. Now, the American administration do not like Ed Miliband.
They see him as the big blocker. He's pro net zero.
He's the one stopping drilling in the North Sea for

(01:35:22):
oil and gas. So I think the Americans have made
it clear. Certainly Trump has to Burnham's people that if
you put Ed Miliband in his chancellor, you can forget it.
So it looks like Shaban and Mamood will come in.
But look, we'll know an awful lot more. Monday is
the day Starmer says goodbye. On Monday, he'll go visit
the King formerly resign and then invite Charles will invite
Andy Burnham to form the next British government.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
It's uncomfortable that the US is calling the shots here,
but it's probably a bit of decision. Inda, Thank you
very much, mate, look after yourself. Inda Brady UK, corresponding,
hither Martin from EKT has been entertaining us on the
beach Haven and Brookdale community Facebook page for a year
or two. Now you've been missing out, Simon, why do
you not tell me about Martin?

Speaker 4 (01:36:03):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
I'm not hold on. Should we gave a look how
many he's got. Now, what are the chances do you
reckon that? And just in that time, somehow his numbers,
his numbers have gone up from I'm afraid I'm gonna
play you Martin. My favorite Martin video is the one
where he does he does one outs out in the
wind and you can't hear a single thing that's coming

(01:36:25):
out of his mouth because he's in the wind. One
hundred and three followers. Good from you. It's already going up.
Should I do it? Follow? I'm now follow? Am I
following him? One hundred and five followers?

Speaker 3 (01:36:36):
Come on, you can do it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
Help Martin out. He's trying very hard. He's standing out
in the wind in the rain for you. You're welcome, nne
away from seven Oh. I got this email from Rob.
This is naughty. It's naughty because you just know there
are people who are going to freak out about this.
Here there are lots of farmers can see a positive
for the bird flu. Canada geese, black swans and paradise
stacks are at plague proportions and can't be controlled by

(01:36:58):
conventional means. We are hoping the bird flu will be
the answer. As the geese and swans generally get knocked back. Well,
there's always a silver lining. Not everything is always It's
not all bad, is it now. I am kind of
only slightly embarrassed to say this to you, because you
know I've been going on about it, But I am
so excited about the Smeg Knives. I've been sucked in again,

(01:37:18):
Like right at the start, I'm sucked in again because
this thing only kicked off three days ago, didn't it
At the New World Smack Knives. We're doing the Smeg
Knives competition again and it runs through until the fourth
of October. So look, you've got heaps of time to
get all the things, and you're gonna want to get
all the things because you didn't get all the things
last time. Because this is when New Worlder is clever.
They're different to the knives you had last time. So

(01:37:38):
this time we've got a vegetable knife, twenty five stickers,
a little utility knife. I don't reckon I had the
vegetable knife as an option last time. All the utility knife,
thirty stickers, the small Santacu knife. Did we not have
the big Santaku knife last time? That's thirty five stickers,
the meat knife. We definitely had that one last time.
Thirty five stickers and the Nakiri knife, which kind of

(01:37:59):
looks like one of those whales, you know, like the
really big the humpback whales. It's like kind of a
square look about it. Forty stickers, and then the chef's
knife forty stickers. Maybe the chefsknife is what we had
last time, but this time you can also get yourself
a steak knife set of two, a cutting board, and
the blocks. I don't like the blocks. Can I tell
you why I don't like the blocks. It always freaks

(01:38:20):
me out that if there was an intruder, there would
be a weapon right there on the bench for them
to be able, do you know what I mean? So
this is why when I have to because I've got
infants to well, toddler's We've got todd young ones, so
I get to I have toddler locks on the knife
drawer and I love that because I'm like, you can
break into a house, but you can't get into my
knife drawer because the toddler can't and you're not gonna

(01:38:40):
be able to do it in the dark. So I'm
definitely not having a knife block.

Speaker 8 (01:38:43):
And right, and you may have until the fourth of October,
but that relies on them having enough stop to fulfill
all the sticks.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
Well, yeah, this is the problem is that every time
we go we know how the story ends. He's going
to break our hearts, but we go to bed with
him anyway, don't we.

Speaker 8 (01:38:56):
Well, there you go like a prayer by Madonna to
play us outside. Since we played Josh Fawaz's Ai assisted
cover of Like a Prayer earlier in the show, we
may as well just play the og to finish the show.
It's still a banger, isn't it. She's still the Queen
of pop Madonna like a prayer. Let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
This John, which do we know what the meaning of
this one is?

Speaker 1 (01:39:20):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (01:39:20):
I don't want to ask now.

Speaker 3 (01:39:21):
I don't know if we can probably talk about it?

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
Turns out all of the lyrics with Madonna.

Speaker 8 (01:39:25):
I mean, yeah, if you want to know what like
a virgin means, watch the Queen in Tarantine number who
Reason Why Dogs The very first scene, they have a big,
long conversation about what that one might mean.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
It's all felt. You think it's innocent, hideous See it tomorrow.
I have a lovely

Speaker 1 (01:39:38):
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