Full Show Podcast: 17 February 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
duper Cllen Drive with One New Zealand to coverage like
no one else.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
News Talks EV.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Afternoon.

Speaker 4 (00:14):
Welcome to the show coming up today, the Infrastructure Commission
on the mass of thirty year plan out today, the
Department of Internal Affairs on that illegal gambling at Polymarket
and Neon has lost the White Lotus in succession, and
a whole bunch of stuff in that HBO deal. We'll
have a chat to the CEO, Sophie Maloney after six.
Heather duper c l It's some fascinating data about how
we've changed in the last sixty years. Look at the

(00:35):
birth data from Stats today, and especially the age at
which mums are having babies. So last year fourteen percent
of births were to mums younger than twenty five fourteen percent.
In nineteen ninety five, which is one generation ago, it
was double that, it was twenty eight percent of births
to mums under twenty five, and in nineteen sixty, which
is two generations ago, it was forty six percent of births,

(00:58):
nearly half of the births to mum's under twenty five.
There are now more babies born to mums older than
forty than there are to mums younger than twenty five,
and I'm one of those mums. I was counted in
late last year's data. Last January, I was forty. I
had a baby. Now, in retrospect, I reckon, if I
could do my life again, it would probably have been
better to have my kids about a decade younger. Your

(01:19):
knees at forty are not what your knees were at thirty.
You don't want to run around after them. They want
you to run, but you don't really want to run anymore.
You feel more tired at forty, though, you also realize
the value of time. If I have my kids at
forty and they have their kids at forty, I'm going
to start being a grandmother around the age of eighty,
which means I'm not going to have that long left right,
I'm not going to be able to see my grandkids

(01:40):
get married and have their kids, which is one of
the joys of life. I would imagine leaving it late
means you miss out on a whole bunch of stuff
that previous generations had. But then, on the other hand,
there are upsides to leaving it a bit later. You're
a better person at forty than you are at thirty.
You're more in control of your emotions, which is a
really big thing to teach your kids. You become a
better parent, I feel like, more importantly, and I reckon

(02:02):
this is why so many mums are leaving it later.
You're more financially secure by your late thirties. You've got
yourself a house, You've paid off a decent chunk of it,
you have an established career. Your partner's income is helpful.
It helps to pay the bills, but you're not dependent
on it in the same way that your grandmother was
on her husband's And I think that's the reason that
the age of mums will not ever go back down again,
because mums are more financially independent than they were two

(02:25):
generations ago, which means that they have choices, and the
choice that they are making is the one you're seeing
in the data. The choices to leave the kids are
a lot later nowadays.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Heather due to see Ellen.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
Little to Paul speronly about this after five. He's fascinating,
He'll have something interesting to say about it. Nine two
nine two is the text number. There is renewed pressure
on the government now to get on with banning the
social media for under sixteens. Now, there's an outfit called
Triple P Positive Parenting which wants New Zealand to follow
Australia's lead. It's bringing together MPs, the Children's Commissioner, educators
experts in Wellington to look at how family can be

(03:00):
supported through any change. Jackie reacts Triple p's New Zealand
country leading with us. Hi Jackie, Hi, Leah, how are you?
I'm well, thank you. Do you consider what's happened in
Australia to be a success?

Speaker 5 (03:11):
Ah, that's a really good question. I suspect it's probably
too early to say whether it's success success. We're still
you know, watching to see what the outcomes are. But
what I can say is the parents that have used
the Triple P Children's Screens program, because we do collect data,

(03:34):
are consistently reporting improvements in you know, the healthy screen
habits of their kids. They are saying they feel better
about managing the conflict with their kids over screens and
you know, they feel like they're supporting their kids on
my safety. So for those parents that have done that,
they've got to be wins.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
Why would you not like, if you're seeing that data
come through, why would you not say it's been a success.

Speaker 5 (03:59):
I think we haven't got enough metadata to sort of
say the idea of the ban is ya know. What
I would say is the ban is one thing. What
Australia did do alongside the band was implement some parenting support.
So I'm reporting the data from the parent export, which
is great because I think that's what needs to happen

(04:21):
if there is, I say, a ban in New Zealand.
We need a few things. We need a nice sort
of solution that's got perhaps more than just a silver
bullet of a ban, you know, because actually I just
heard your piece about.

Speaker 6 (04:36):
Being a mum.

Speaker 5 (04:38):
You're the one day to day that actually has to
deal with the You're not getting it.

Speaker 7 (04:42):
You can't have it.

Speaker 5 (04:43):
You know that arguments we need to support parents. The
ban in itself isn't going to do that necessarily.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
Okay, So what is the support that you guys are
offering parents in Australia.

Speaker 8 (04:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (04:53):
So what Australia did, and I think this really important
thing is they got in early, so they had some
really good foundational suite of Triple P online programs available
free to parents over the last three years in a
program called the Parenting Education Support Program. So there was

(05:15):
really good foundation there to build on some more skills
for the parents. It's really specific to children in screens.
So yeah, so that's what they made available.

Speaker 9 (05:27):
What we need to do that?

Speaker 4 (05:28):
What is okay? What can I Jackie, I'm going to
be so blunt with you right now? What the hell
is wrong with parents nowaday that we need support to
be able to tell our children, no, you're putting that
screen down, that's enough screen time. Well do you know
what some people can?

Speaker 5 (05:43):
And then there's a whole lot of people that just
need to sort of reflect and be able to go, okay,
exactly what you're saying, what are the boundaries for our family?
And I think reflecting on what you were just saying
about some older parents, you know that. You know, I

(06:04):
was an older parent too, and some of the older
parents didn't grow up with a screen in their hands.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
So this is a yeah, but it's not rocket Jackie.
It's not rocket science. Like all it is is we
have rules about kids eating sugar, right, you say, like, no,
you can't have you can't have a piece of cake
in the morning. Don't be a weirdo. You know that's
just going to make you a weird kid for the
rest of the day. But why can we not transfer, Like,
if we can have boundaries on something like that, how
hard is it to simply transfer the boundary to a

(06:31):
piece of technology and we might not have had as kids.
I don't understand, Jackie, I'm asking you a philosophical question,
absolutely right. I don't understand why parents are such pushovers
in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 5 (06:42):
Yeah, I think there's part of it is all this
conflicting information is that you know you're right when need
clear boundaries. Parents need to information about how much time
is too much time? What are the limits for the
developmental ages, and then they need to be informed about
that and to be able to put those have those conversations,

(07:04):
put those limits in place and follow through. And some
people find that extremely hard. Will actually be like, yeah,
that's a piece of cake. I can do that, and
I'll follow through. But I think there are conflicting messages
out there, and lots of people are very worried about
being a bad parent, or you know this notion that
you know, if I perhaps if I seen my child cry,

(07:27):
I might have made a huge mistake. Well, actually no,
kids do need to learn to regulate them emotion. They
might be upset you took it, but actually they'll learn
okay and Mum says no exactly she means.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
No, and then they're lovely after that because they know
the rules. Jackie, it's wonderful to talk to you. Thank
you appreciate it. Jackie Reeck, New Zealand country lead for
Triple P Positive Parenting. Okay, I'm sure I'm going to
get text on that, so come on send them in now. Dogs,
you know how I feel about the dogs. A person
has been kids, so I'm giving you an update.

Speaker 10 (07:58):
O kay.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
A person has been killed by dogs in Caihu, which
is in Northland. Sounds like the person was killed in
their own home, which sits on State Highway twelve, and
it sounds like multiple dogs. Are three or four dogs
pitbull like dogs. According to one of the neighbors. Here's
the thing. Dog control in the area was aware of
these dogs, apparently because the neighbor said that the dog
control had visited the property, had been warned about the dogs,

(08:21):
had been warned that the dogs were chasing people down
the road. Apparently there's a bike trail that runs alongside
the highway, and the dogs often acted aggressively, according to
the neighbor, running towards bikers and tourists something, sometimes forcing
them to turn around. So I think you can connect
those dots.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
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Speaker 4 (08:44):
Zeb Heather, Good afternoon. I don't fancy your chances trying
to say no to your teenager when you're going through
that special time in life. Goodlie, good luck. What special time?
The menopause? Oh okay, because that's what often happens, is
that the women, the women, their menopause coincides with the
child's hormonal boost.

Speaker 6 (09:03):
Right, we're learning more about it because even though it's
called menopause, which is insane, I think finally men are
actually starting to realize what it is because it doesn't
afflict means, so people have ignored it for generations.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
Right, we have something to the text. We have something
called HRT patches nowadays, which is amazing. So don't worry
about it. They're going to be the only the kids
will be the only psycho ones in the house. Nineteen
past four.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
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dot co dot Zeid.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
Darcy water Grave, sports talk host is with us. Hello,
das Kid get another medal tonight thanks to Zoe.

Speaker 11 (09:37):
Well, we'd like to think. So it's like one in
the morning, so she'd be a long, long journey in
front of the TV. I addicted to the Olympics over
the weekend, couldn't help myself watch way too much of it.
But Zoe understand what.

Speaker 6 (09:49):
It means to win and how to win.

Speaker 11 (09:51):
But this is extraordinarily difficult when you're dealing with various
conditions and you've got the world chasing you down, and
you've got the weight of expectation on your shoulders to
get it done.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
But what she put down qualifying was just superb.

Speaker 11 (10:06):
But it looked so easy to always say about great
sportsmen and woman, sorry sports people, they always look like
they've got all the time in the world.

Speaker 9 (10:15):
And that's what I saw in her. It's like wow,
And I think she's happy in his space. She's comfortable
with who she is, she's not fighting anything, and she's
got that smile and that.

Speaker 11 (10:26):
Enjoyment, which is what I've said before about snowsports, especially snowboarding.
They love success for each other and I love that
energy around this particular sport.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
It's just's so friendly. I just want to go along.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
My gosh, healing to you, isn't it very much?

Speaker 10 (10:41):
All right?

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Now?

Speaker 4 (10:42):
I can't imagine. So the black Caps are going to
play Canada at the T twenty will come. I can't
imagine that they're going to be that hard to thrash.

Speaker 11 (10:48):
You wouldn't think so six stirdy tonight that gets under way.
They get this done and they're going through the Super eights,
unlike Australia, who are their destiny is in somebody else's hands.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Shock and awe.

Speaker 11 (11:03):
They've got a thrash od man and they've got hope.
Zimbabwe lose their last two games, so they're on tea dowks,
as they say, waiting for something. So good luck to them.
Kind of not but that's the nature of T twenty.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
You're really enjoying this from them, aren't you.

Speaker 12 (11:23):
No.

Speaker 11 (11:23):
I'm enjoying sport and what it brings up and what
it shows up like, Wow, this is great. And on
cricket incident, we've got the chief executive of Northern District's
cricket joining us tonight, Keing Rutherford to talk about the
decision around n c T twenty and.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
Exactly thank God.

Speaker 11 (11:39):
What they're looking forward to, what they want to achieve,
and you know what. Put someone else on the show
tonight who's celebrating the induction into the New Zealand Sports
Hall of Fame. Is that rugby player by the name
of Richie McCall. You may have heard of them before,
so he joined. We've got a couple of captains, one
ex black cap, one ex all Black.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
Godlike this show, good stuff, Thank you dars. Darcy water
Grow sports stalk host. You'll be back with Richie at
seven this evening for twenty one.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 13 (12:08):
Contact Energy is net profit up twenty four percent. Mike
Poosha is the Contact Energy boss. What's the line between
your profit and my power bill?

Speaker 14 (12:15):
Obviously we have to collect power bills, but the primary
reason for the profit increase is the investments we've made
and the acquisition of Manua. It's not about putting up prices.

Speaker 13 (12:25):
My person really was given you've made so much profit,
why not put some back into my power bill and
make it a smaller bill.

Speaker 14 (12:31):
I look at the energy component of power bill going
up by adolescentslation. The important thing is we have to
invest and build more generation to meet the growing demand
and the New Zealand economy.

Speaker 13 (12:42):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
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Speaker 2 (12:47):
Name you trumped to get the answers you need.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
It's Heather Duplicyl and drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else news Talk zbb OMG.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
Heather is a parent. As a teacher of five year olds,
I just wish we had parents who could say no,
you're not helping your child by letting them be. The
boss couldn't agree more. Do you know what I think
it is. I think that there is an inclination to
kind of keep the peace. I think I don't know
if this may be a thing that happened. Maybe it's
an older mum problem. But you don't want to fight
with people. You just want to keep the PCs sort
of just like tiptoe around their emotions. I think that's

(13:20):
what's going on. But yeah, learn very quickly. You just
got to say no, just no, and then they go, oh, okay,
that's not a thing. They adapt really quickly to that.
It's actually not as hard as you think it's going
to be. Now, I'm getting a lot of texts along
these lines, but I said here, they're not sure your
statement that forty year old mums are better than thirty
year old mums as fact base. What's the evidence to that?
I would have thought one hundred percent if you're just

(13:41):
talking about emotions, surely that is an absolute given that
if you're a mum in your forties and you are
much more in control of yourself, you like yourself more
as a person, surely you're going to be a better
person in your forties. Like you're a better person in
your forties than you are in your thirties. That makes
you a better parent in your forties than in your thirties.
What's the evidence?

Speaker 5 (13:59):
Like?

Speaker 4 (14:00):
In what world does that not the case? Hit me
with it, Blair, I'm happy to hear it.

Speaker 10 (14:04):
Now.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
The isis brides, we need to talk about this. By
the way, it's full twenty six isis brides are trying
to get back to Australia out of Syria. Berg issue there.
Murray Olds is going to run us through that. Shortly
when he's with us, we'll talk a bit about that,
because I think this is something we all need to
start keeping our eyes on. That's a problem for thirty
years from now. I'll explain later. Also, we've got the
big thirty year plan from the Infrastructure Commission about what

(14:26):
we need to do in terms of our money and
in terms of the infrastructure in this country. What they're
say is like full of advice, right, but that the
headlines are spend less money on roads, spend more money
on hospitals. We have not got enough health spending going
and it needs to basically double. We need to start
thinking about things like basically congestion charging. We need to

(14:46):
start doing that in order to so that you can
get you can basically get more bang out of your
road rather than having to build another road. Also, what
they're suggesting is a nine dollar toll on the Auckland
Harbor Bridge as well as a toll on the New Cross,
which is yeah, aspiration. No one's going to pay a
nine dollar toll guys, so good luck with that. They say.

(15:08):
The country spends more of its GDP on infrastructure than
anyone else in the OECD. But gets some of the
worst results, ranking fourth to last and maintaining current assets. Now,
none of this makes for easy reading. You look at it,
you go for It's a big task ahead of us.
We're really bad at spending money and probably nothing's going
to change. The Infrastructure Commission will be with us up
at five o'clock on that Right now, news is coming

(15:30):
up New still ZB.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in
your car on your drive home it's Heather duplicyl and
drive with one New Zealand and the power of satellite
mobile news Talks NB.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
You know what to dare? Sing my head, Sing my head.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
Take a chairs, Take a chair. They're going the nineteen
fifties and nineteen sixties. Where's a country spent billions building
hydro DRAMs and our national highways networks? And we didn't
go any did we didn't go broke? But yeah, maybe
we could think about maybe we could think big again.
How about that here that the forties are not necessarily
better as a parent lots and lots are better people, sure,

(16:18):
but also lots of more neurotic and have been wrapped
up in their world of cats for too long. And
do you know what, that sounds crazy. I actually think
there's some truth in that. Anyway, We've got Murray Old
standing by Anne Barrysopaer will wear us some politics very shortly.
It's twenty four away from five.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
It's the world wires on youth talks.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
It'd be drive for m Keewei's player. Matt Utaires in
hospital in serious condition after a drive by shooting in Sydney.
He was shot twice in the leg. He was shot
once in the upper shoulder as well. Police aren't sure
what the motive is just yet.

Speaker 10 (16:50):
At this stage, we do believe that he may not
be involved in any criminal activity, but as part of
this investigation, in this strike course, the investor god As
will look at who he is involved in, who his
family may be involved in.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
The local sheriff has cleared Nancy Guthrie's family as possible
suspects in her disappearance. They still don't know who took Nancy,
but they are analyzing DNA from a glove found near
the crime scene. Savannah Guthrie has made another video appeal
for her mum's safe return. You're not asked, we alone
and it is never too late to do the right.

(17:27):
There and finally some good views from NASA. Fifteen thousand
city killer asteroids are floating around in the vicinity of
Earth and we have no idea where they are. NASA's
head of Planetary Defense says they're working on a telescope
to find all these objects, but it might take ten years.

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Speaker 14 (17:59):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (17:59):
So the situation of the Isis Brides is they try
to leave on Monday the rog detention center. They got
turned back. Do we know why?

Speaker 15 (18:06):
Well, the government will deny it, but it does look
like the women and children were basically blocked and blocked.
You know, the Prime Minister Anthony Albanese was on the
ABC this morning, a very extensive interview and you know,
the government will deny it, but it looks like, you know,
the government was saying albanezis saying that, you know the

(18:29):
government will not lift a finger to repatriate these women.
Not so long ago, the government's saying they deserve to
come home. I mean it's a group of eleven women
and twenty three children, many of whom were born there.
And the women, and I think in almost every case
they went there either with or followed husbands from Australia

(18:49):
in most cases who were killed while fighting for ISIS,
so there's no men involved in their life anymore of
them and stuck some of them for six years in
a refugee camp under canvas and tents. Now you know,
they call me a cynic Heather, but I can't believe
for a moment it's not related in some way. The
government position is not related in some way to the

(19:12):
elevation of Angus Taylor and the very hardline rhetoric he
is adopted in terms of immigration and also that of
one nation fall In Hadson howling from the rooftops about
how they know there's bad Muslims everywhere. Now you know,
in in Syria right now, there's a very prominent Sydney GP,
Jamal Riffi. He is a Muslim doctor in Sydney, very

(19:33):
political man and active in this space. He's apparently traveled
to Syria. Excuse me please, he's traveled there and he's
endeavoring to get these women and kill and children out.
The families of the women are saying this afternoon. Look,
it's any matter of time that will be coming home.
The opposition, of course, howling about this, saying there's no
way known they should be allowed back now right, must.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
Listen is what is the plan when they come back,
because surely there's going to have to be some extensive
I don't know what we would call wrap around support
for them and monitoring presumably for years.

Speaker 15 (20:10):
Well, don't forget, there's already a cohort that's come home
and exactly that a scenario. We haven't heard of boo
from these people. They've been home for years. I'm not
sure of the exact numbers, but there have been people
coming back from the Middle East in this exact same circumstance.
They have been widowed in that dreadful conflict, in that fighting,
and they've been allowed to come home the temperatures changed,

(20:32):
and as I say, eleven women, thirty four children, twenty
three children, a total of thirty four Australian citizens and
they're being denied access to their home country.

Speaker 4 (20:45):
All right, how's man going to be.

Speaker 15 (20:46):
Interesting watching it play out politically? Are going to assure you, mate,
I'll tell you.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
What this is going to be big potentially how's Matt.

Speaker 15 (20:51):
Who's I doing serious? After emergency surgery? And police, as
that clip said, they're trying to work out why on
earth he was targeted. He was on as way to
work this morning, coming down from the family home at
Green Acres South where Sydney Lovely Street, and there's a
guy or two men at the bottom of the driveway
in an SUV vehicle. One is a government bang bang, bang,

(21:14):
Not sure the exact number of shots that who Tie
has been hit. Then the Guvernment's back in the car
and gone, and the car has been talked only a
couple of streets away. Minutes later, as police and ambulance
officers arrived, Who Ties on the front lawn in a
lot of pain. He's able to have a quick conversation
with police before the paramedics go to work. He was

(21:35):
stabilized there and whisted off to hospital for their emergency
surgery and pleases ain't listen. There's no there's no criminal
history they that they know of with Utaie. He's got
a few minor traffic offenses, you know, speeding and whatnot.
But until they can have an extensive interview with him,
I'm not sure if it's going to happen this afternoon
after surgery, maybe tomorrow or the day after. They're looking

(21:57):
for links though with others who may have criminal ties,
not in specifically, perhaps other family members, and don't forget
his wife and children inside the family home when he
was ambush. So it's pretty down serious.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
Yeah, very much. Sounds like it is the world shop
that you guys are doing okay at the Winter Olympics apparently.

Speaker 15 (22:15):
I mean, the Canadians are going, oh my god, what's
going on? Finland I think they go Lord of Australia,
and the Chinese well, I'm not sure what they're saying,
but they're all bloody healthy. And the Aussies because none
of the aforementioned Canadians, Fens or Chinese athletes have done boo.
But Australia's got three gold, one silver, one bronze medal
and more to come. Jakara Anthony, for example, backed up

(22:38):
the gold medal from four years ago with another one
here in Courtina. There's a wonderful photograph. You may have
seen it, Heather. The five Australian medallists are posing in
the big Olympic rings that have been erected in the
Olympic City and Australians eleventh for the medal table. But
perhaps when you look at the way winter sports are
funded now, we've got excellent coaching, They've been picked from

(22:59):
all around world and you know, the best Australian athletes
are out there on the international circuit and no surprise,
they keep doing very very well. And at that level
it's a it's a small step. It's a gimmigant step,
but nonetheless a relatively small step from that World Cup
level to get up and stand on an Olympic podium.
And they're doing that in spades. And the whole coutch

(23:22):
is going your beauty ossis oi bloody oidz.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
Thanks very much, Murri Old's Australia Correspondents seventeen away from
five ever do for see hope. Yes. So I've mentioned
this before. This is just real. The Isis brides and
the kids who are in the in the Syrian camps.
I've mentioned it on the show before, but it bears repeating.
I was at a conference last year and the keynote
speaker there was a chap who had worked in security

(23:46):
and I'm not going to say but he like, really
really as far up security as you could go in
terms of the building that you're in in the world.
And what he said is for to his mind, the
biggest problem that we face in the Western world in
the next few decades is actually what's going on in
the Syrian camps at the moment, because he said, hell,
look at what's going The Australian example is a perfect example.
Whole bunch of people in there and kids without dads

(24:08):
now because the dads have been killed, women who are widows,
kids who are are fatherless, and they are being injected
with all of these ideologies. But their dual nationalities, aren't
they so they can go home to somewhere, and they're
going to go home to somewhere. They're going to take
those ideas back home to somewhere. So whether it be
France or Australia or whatever, anyway, that is what's going on. Now,
you got another thirty four going back to Australia. I'll

(24:30):
just point out what the camp's director. This is the
camp is called roj This is what the camp's director
has said. My message is not only to Australia, but
to all countries. Take your citizens, take these children and women.
And she added that children were growing up surrounded by
dangerous ideas and ideologies in the camp sixteen Away.

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Speaker 4 (24:52):
Certainty Infrastructure Commission is with us after five o'clock on
the Big thirty year Planets thirteen away from five and
Barri Sooper, Senior Political Correspondence with US high bar. One
of the ideas pitched as a nine dollar toll for
the Auckland Harbor Bridge. That's not going to happen. This
a nonsense.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
It seems a hell of a lot of money. You
consider that a working week somebody coming back and forth
to the city from the north Shore, it'd be almost
one hundred bucks a week. It's a hell of a
lot of.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
What do you do if you're that commuter? You just
decided to go on the Ring Road, don't you?

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Well, you're doing But then I guess you have to
weigh that up about how much petrol that's going to
cost you to go on the Ring Road.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
It's probably not nine dollars. Well, then you're sitting there,
so we just clog one road up.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
That's exactly right. But it's it's really interesting the you
know they're looking at tolling the existing bridge for as
well as the new one White to Marter Bridge, and
if they do both.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Of course, the old bridge.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Was built in nineteen fifty nine I think, and they
had tolls there for years on that. The tolls started
out at two dollars seventy a day. But that's the
twenty five cents. It amounts to two dollars seventy.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
That's invation adjusted, that's inflation adjusted.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
So I don't know where they get the nine dollars from,
but you know they're that pondering nine dollars. It's a
hell of a lot of money. I don't know how
they're going to do it. But when they told the
bridge early on, at the beginning of it, they paid
for it really no time at all. By less than
ten years, the bridge had been paid for and they

(26:27):
scrapped the tolls on the bridge. Now bringing them back,
I mean, you have to toll roads. I don't think
anybody would deny that, because if we want infrastructure that
keeps up to date, you've got to spend money on it.
And where does the money come from. I mean there's
governments and dire straits when it comes to its box
at the moment.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
So well, they can cut some fat out of the
books and then just to keep on saying exactly the
same thing over and over again. Now, what is the
Prime Minister said about the idea from Winston of running
a referendum on the Marty seats.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Well, it's interesting because faced questions in Parliament today. Do
you know the first time the abolition of Maori seats
were considered? How long ago do you think they were?

Speaker 12 (27:08):
No?

Speaker 3 (27:08):
I don't know, eighteen seventy two because they were brought
in for five years initially and until maury Land claims
were settled and then they would convert to a general
electorate seats, So you know, it's a long time ago.
This is a battle that's been going on for many years.
So Winston's hardly getting ahead of himself by suggesting or

(27:31):
campaigning on a referendum to get rid of them. But
in Parliament this afternoon it'd got a cool reception of us,
say from the Prime Minister when Chris Lacksen was asked
for his view about them from the Malori Party's co
leader Debi Nahiwa Packer.

Speaker 16 (27:46):
Here she is, does the Prime Minister support the continued
existence of the Mali electrits?

Speaker 17 (27:51):
Well, that is something that we haven't given consideration to.

Speaker 16 (27:53):
Does he agree that Marii electriz represent a constitutional recognition
of Tetti or Whitney.

Speaker 17 (27:59):
Well, I own saying they've been a feature of the
New Zealand's political system for some time.

Speaker 18 (28:02):
But the important thing is.

Speaker 17 (28:03):
They have representation with the biggest Maori contingent and cabinet
of any government in recent times.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
If the mari.

Speaker 19 (28:10):
Seats were worth the feeling, why is it that the
people who preside in the Mara seats have spent less
time in Parliament than somebody who has been overseas for
two undred and six days, and yet spend more time
in Parliament than the Murray Party seats all together.

Speaker 17 (28:21):
Well, that is an important question. I think voters on
the Marii electorates have been poorly represented in this parliament.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
Not surprisingly, Naruba Paka did object to these statistics that
Winston came out what he was talking about his own.
Of course, I travel abroad, but it is true that
the Murray Party MPs aren't regular attendees at Parliament and
whether they've represented their electorates is I guess the debate
for those who vote in them.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
Okay, the cost of living has come up.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
Yep, yes today, We've seen the polls, of course yesterday
and in recent weeks. The cost of living in the
economy remain the most the greatest concern for people was
an issue taken up by Labour's Barbarie Edan Edmunds this afternoon,
but she failed to score a hit on her target.

(29:08):
Nikola Willis.

Speaker 20 (29:09):
The era of crushing price increases in the economy occurred
during the three years under the last government, where inflation
remained out of target, peaking at seven point three percent.
That era is now over those parties who say the
solution to every problem is to drive up government spending
and borrow risk reawakening the inflation beast.

Speaker 21 (29:32):
Has she been advised, with food prices soaring, whether the
Prime Minister can still do his weekly shop for sixty dollars.

Speaker 20 (29:38):
Mister speaker. This follows a trend of recent final supplementary
questions from the opposing member in which she gets personal
and nasty and I'm not going to sink to that, meyboy.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
So that didn't go down well.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
At all, Barry, thank you very much, appreciate it. Barry Sofa,
Senior political correspondent. Eight away from five. People are already
angry about nine dollar toll. It's not even happening and
people are angry. No effing way am I accepting tolls
on the bridge just because I live on the north Shore.
Why do north Shore residents have to pay tolls to
get to the rest of Auckland but the rest of
Auckland get away scot free. If you're going to toll
toll everyone, don't just toll a bridge because it happens

(30:13):
to be over a harbor and easy to do. No way, Matthew,
thank you. At our plus six, we're going to have
a chat to Justin ty Umbers, who's of the Road
Carriers Association, because my first inclination on the nine dollar
toll is to go whatever, and I'd like to know
if that's his first inclination as well, his first reaction. Frankly,
my first reaction to much of what's in the Infrastructure

(30:35):
Commissions report is whatever, because how many times have we
been told how much we're in deficit with infrastructure and
yet nothing changes. So my prediction is nothing changes. But anyway,
we've have a chat to them after five. Also, apparently
there is an app called the polymarket app and call
she two separate apps, websites whatever for gambling, and apparently

(30:55):
they're illegal, and the Department of Internal Affairs wants you
to know that they are illegal so they can come
on and talk about how illegal they are. But I
don't know that they are actually going to get rid
of them, which means that if you think about that,
all the Department of Internal Affairs is doing is giving
these illegal apps publicity. But hey, you know who am
I to. We'll chat. It's fascinating, by the way, what

(31:15):
you can bet on anything. We'll chat about this with
the DIA in just a minute. They'll be with us
in twenty minutes. Now, you know that I love drawing
to your attention the latest dumb thing or maybe legit
thing that the young people are encouraging each other to
do on social media. I've got another one for you
from that file. The absolute latest is called dark showering.

(31:36):
So this is the young people's hack to try to
get to sleep. What they do before they go to sleep,
they reckon. They're telling each other, this is what you
have to do, is before you go to sleep. If
you're have in trouble, go into your bathroom and turn
off the light immediately. I go ooh, health and safety risk,
health and safety risk falling on the tiles. But anyway, whatever,
they turn off the light and then they get in
the shower and they have a dark shower, they say,

(31:59):
because what happens is the water feels because it's dark,
so you're not using your you're looking senses, you're seeing sense,
You're just using your hearing sense and your feeling sense,
and so in the dimness, the water feels louder, and
the day's visual clutter fades, and then sleep should come
more easily. Now you'd like me to tell you the
science doesn't back this up. But maybe the science does

(32:19):
actually back this up, because by turning off the light,
you do increase you melatonin, and then of course you
fall asleep more easily if your body is warm rather
than cold. So there may be something to it. But
you may be able to replicate that by getting under
the blanket in the dark, thereby not using all that
water and wasting your money. It also does beg the
question what just happened to the old thing that we
all used to do, which is to get into bed

(32:40):
and read a book. That also, but anyway, whatever dark
showering give it a hern if you feel inclined. Next up,
let's talk about this thirty year plan.

Speaker 12 (32:48):
You flu.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Lester truth flue.

Speaker 5 (32:55):
Iven in you.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
The only drive show you can trust to ask the question,
get the answers, find the FATA and give the analysis.
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Speaker 4 (33:20):
The Infrastructure Commissions just dropped its thirty year plan and
it's a sobering reality check. It says we need to
cut spending on roads, we need to double spending on hospitals,
Energy needs a big spending boost, and Auckland's Harbor Bridge
may need a nine dollar toll. Jeff Cooper is the
CEO of the Infrastructure Commission with us Hi, Jeff kyoto Hea,
how you doing well? Thank you mate? Explain the thinking

(33:41):
behind a nine dollar toll?

Speaker 8 (33:43):
Oh gosh.

Speaker 22 (33:44):
Look, we've started really by looking at all of the
different infrastructure services New Zealand's going to need over a
thirty year period. You know, so often we look at
one sector at a time, we come up with lists
of things that we realize we can't afford, and we
have to go back to the drawing board. This is
an effort at looking across all of these sectors and
putting forward a fundable, coordinated portfolio of investments. And out

(34:08):
the back of that clearly is that you know, we
need to stage and phase projects a little bit more
to make sure that we need get a good balance
between services. So if we want to go outside of
that budget, what it ultimately means is that we're going
to need to derive more revenue from the asset base.
And in roading that can look like tolls, it can
look like congestion charging and other such things. And all sectors,

(34:32):
not just land transport, are grappling with these things because
the financials are tight, and I think New Zealanders.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
Know that, do you have any preference as to where
we build our healthcare?

Speaker 18 (34:43):
Well, the plan sort of goes through.

Speaker 22 (34:45):
I mean, we start by looking at how our demographics
are changing, and under any plausible scenario, we look at
you know, New Zealand is going to need more investment
in health services. We've known this for a while. But
if thing, we're aging faster than we thought we were
going to. So what we've done in the plan is

(35:06):
look at how our aging differs by region and then
establish you know, where services need to follow those population projections.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
So it's it probably Auckland, yeah, I.

Speaker 22 (35:19):
Mean certainly the areas of large population growth. Yes, But
actually when you look at it is this is something
that you know, of all the services that we look at,
this is one for all of New Zealand actually broad
based aging going on.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
Are there parts of the country though, where we are
seeing population declines to the extent that we should actually
stop investing money and infrastructure.

Speaker 22 (35:42):
Certainly, when you look at the periphery of many of
the networked infrastructure we have, it's clear that at the
at the ends of the of the network the financials
are most difficult. Now, I don't think for a second
that means that we should stop providing services to those areas,
but what the plan does say is that the network

(36:04):
as a whole needs to be able to fund it. Right,
that you can do cross subsidies, that's fine, But certainly
when we're looking at you know, resilience issues, the balance
between what is making money on the network and what
probably needs money tipped into it is getting harder, and
you know, like local governments at the leading edge of that,

(36:25):
they see that day to day it's getting harder.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
Why is it that we spend more money on infrastructure
as a proportion of GDP than anywhere in the developed world,
but we still have this massive deficit in infrastructure I think, I.

Speaker 22 (36:38):
Mean, that's it's a very good question on the first one,
and in part the answer to this is the fact
that we are on a very narrow band of land
the bottom of the South Pacific. We're a country of
five and a half million people. We're roughly the same
size as great as Sydney, but we are trying to
build out infrastructure networks on a parcel of land that

(37:00):
is twenty one times larger. Right, So the geology, the
geography is very difficult, and we have a dispersed population.
That means more pipes, more roads, more transmission lines and
so on, and that costs if you're going to do that,
you know, so there are some things that are baked in.
But of course, you know, on the other side of things,

(37:21):
clearly we need to try and do this in a
way that is more cost efficient than what has been
in the past, because you know, if we need more hospitals,
you know, we can't afford to do them at two
to three billion dollars per facility. We can't afford roads
that are costing four hundred million dollars per kilometers. So
you know, this is why the plan talks to the

(37:42):
urgency of getting resource management right and identifying opportunities to
bring down those costs right.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
Jeff Listen, thanks for talking to us about I appreciate it.
Jeff Cooper, Infrastructure Commission CEO. It's coming up to have
past five Hea.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
The duplessy Ellen.

Speaker 4 (37:55):
That's some fascinating new stats about the age of mums.
Last year, fourteen percent of birth were to mums younger
than twenty five. In nineteen ninety five, which is a
generation ago, it was twenty eight percent of births to
mums under twenty five, and in nineteen sixty five, two
generations ago, it was nearly half of births. Paul Spoonley
is a sociologist at Massi University and with us.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
HI Paul gid Eather.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
I mean, is this simply we're just leaving things later
in life because we want to establish our careers by
our houses, get some money in the bank.

Speaker 23 (38:21):
Absolutely. So the age of mother at first birth is
now thirty one and timing and a fun fact for
you related to the figures you've just given, Heather, is
that there are many more children born to women aged
over forty in New Zealand compared to women age twenty
and younger in New Zealand. Isn't that interesting?

Speaker 4 (38:39):
I think that is fascinating. Is that a bad thing?

Speaker 2 (38:42):
No, it's not.

Speaker 23 (38:43):
No, All of transitions are taking longer. So one of
the interesting things I'm looking at at the moment is
the number of children, adult children in their mid to
late twenties who are still living in the family home.
So we're just seeing some of those transitions when you
might move out of the family home, when you might
decide to have children, the jobs that you get, all

(39:05):
of those things are taking longer and occurring later.

Speaker 4 (39:09):
Do you think that is a bad thing, Paul, that
parents stall in their sixties have their twenty plus kids
in their house.

Speaker 23 (39:17):
No, No, well, I mean it's an increasing fact and
what we're beginning to see as people are changing their
behavior as a results of that. So we're seeing many
more multigenerational households, so increasing number of households that have
got three generations, and we're just starting to see the
first households with four generations. Because what we need to

(39:40):
remember hither is not only are we having children later,
but we're living much longer. So over the next couple
of decades, the average life expectant to see in New
Zealand will be ninety one.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
Wow. That's brilliant.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Good.

Speaker 4 (39:54):
Can I ask you a question, though, so, if you've
got these multigenerational households, is this just a result of
us having increased immigration so you've got you've got people
from countries like India, where for example, that is absolutely
fine and it's normal. Or is this actually us, like
Native New Zealand as people who've been here for a
few generations also starting to do this.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
No, it has, it has.

Speaker 23 (40:15):
There are definitely some cultural practices, but no, it has.
We're changing and of course the there are reasons here
and one of them is economic and so the cost
of housing. So how can you how can you utilize
your housing better? So no, No, I think it's a
changing demographic combined with changing behaviors.

Speaker 4 (40:35):
Brilliant Paul, Thanks very much, always enjoy talking to you.
Professor Paul Spoonley, Massy University Sociologist, fourteen past five.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Heither do for c Ellen?

Speaker 4 (40:43):
I love that I am desperate, desperate to get my
mum to move in with us, constantly try. I've got
she gets the best room in the house with an
en suite. It's still working on it, but I reckon this.
Can I just say that, I think this thing where
we all move into separate houses like grow up, get married,
have a family, live in your own nuclear that's weird
and actually no one else does it apart from us

(41:03):
like us. When I say us, I mean sort of
English speaking, you know, Caucasian people. I just I think
we need to get over it, start moving in with
each other. Brilliant like that. Now, Neon, I need to
talk to you about Neon, but I've run out of time,
so I'm gonna get you across the situation with Neon.
But a whole lot of your content is going but
it might not be the end of the world potentially,
Stay with me and we'll deal with that shortly quarter past.

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for ce ellen our nineteen past five. Now authorities have
ruled that Polymarket and calls are illegal under New Zealand's
gambling laws. Now these are international gambling websites where you
can best on just about anything, and punters on poly
Market have collectively bet one hundred and fifty thousand dollars

(42:32):
on tomorrow's ocr decision by the Reserve Bank Vicky Scott
is the DIA Director of Gambling and with us hig VICKI,
Hi Heather, Why is it illegal?

Speaker 24 (42:42):
Look, it pretty clearly meets the definition of gambling and
the Gambling Act, which is defined pretty broadly as paying
or staking consideration on the outcome of something when you're
seeking to win money, and when that outcome depends wholly
or partly on chances were aside from the legal definition
that the features of these sorts of bets are akin

(43:03):
to any other kind of sports or novelty betting that
you see out there, there's where sort of other jurisdictions
have recently come to the same conclusion Australia recently and
more recently the UK, and we've taken a look at
it against our legal framework and it's it's pretty clear
that it meets the definition.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
Are you going to shut it down?

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 24 (43:26):
So actually we wrote to both Kolshi and Polymarket yesterday
explaining our view that it's clearly in breach of our
law and requesting their immediate removal from the New Zealand market.
And it looks it appears as though they have now
GEO blocked. So account holders have had a message I
understand that says that they can no longer access their account.

(43:46):
They can still withdraw funds, but they can't use them
to place bets. And the polymarket website appears to be unavailable.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
Are you looking at it right now? Am I hearing
you reach over to c if you.

Speaker 24 (44:00):
Before I left the office hither I haven't checked it.
And the time it took me to drive home.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
When did they cut us off at some point today?

Speaker 24 (44:08):
So it was almost immediate response to our correspondent, that's surprised.

Speaker 4 (44:13):
You, because I would have thought that if they I mean,
because really you actually couldn't do very much right, So
I would have thought they would know that and just
be like, nah, come for us. Does it surprise you
actually shut it down?

Speaker 24 (44:22):
Obviously, enforcing against these overseas companies is always tricky. The
fact that they aren't arguing the toss about whether or
not the products are gamblings suggests to me that they
know they're playing in a grade space and a lot
of these market yeah, and you know, New Zealand isn't
the biggest market out there. So sometimes what we find,
because we've been taking the same approach when we write
to betting operators who are operating a breach here, sometimes

(44:45):
the New Zealand market's not really even on their radar.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
And so the Vicky, I just I'm on polymarket dot com.
Should I be able to do that?

Speaker 24 (44:56):
If you can access the website, that's not a breach,
it's the actual place.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
Oh I see, So most people should should be able
to go on the website, they just can't actually bet
on it.

Speaker 7 (45:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
OK.

Speaker 24 (45:06):
What would require them to do is actually, ye a
block the betting services from these yenders. So I understand
that how she's done that. We're still doing some testing
obviously because it's all happened pretty quickly, but you know,
I'm hoping that Polly Market will follow suit.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
Thank you, Vicky, I appreciate it. Vicky Scott, Department of
Internal Affairs, Director of Gambling. Do you want to see
what they're betting on apart from the OCR I thought
I would have thought the OC is an obvious one, like,
what are you betting on? It's a hold tomorrow, isn't
it anything else? Seems like you're wasting your money. Another
bet the US will strike a round by Sunday is
paying eleven dollars eleven. Jeffrey Epstein will be confirmed to

(45:45):
be alive by the end of this year, is paying
eighteen dollars. The next grand theft auto game will cost
more than one hundred dollars. US is paying two hundred dollars,
so that's a good return. Jesus Christ will return by
the end of this year, is only paying twenty seven
Only paying twenty seven dollars doesn't feel like I feel
like the odds are funny on that one. What do

(46:06):
you think five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Cutting through the noise to get the facts? It's Heather
Dufic Cyllen drive with one New Zealand coverage like no
one else news talks.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
They'd be here that you.

Speaker 4 (46:17):
Can just use a VPN to get around geo fencing.
Of course you can mark for five twenty five other listen.
If you love cricket, you should be worried about how
long this T twenty situation is taking to resolve. Right now,
the latest is that The Herald is reporting that there
may be as many as ten Black Caps who are
now going to be asking to get out of the
national contracts so they can go play cricket in overseas

(46:38):
leagues over summer. And this is if there is no
certainty over the n Z twenty starting now. This isn't
altogether a surprise, because if you cast your mind back
to when Trent Bolt first turned down his central contract
three and a half years ago, I told you this
would be a problem, and it has become a problem
because it was obvious money trumps everything and the money
that they're offering in the overseas leagues is better than
the money that New Zealand is currently offering, which brings

(47:00):
us to the n Z twenty competition that is being
currently proposed for New Zealand in January. The agonizing over
whether they should do this or not is just bizarre.
I mean, sure, there are some question marks over how
this will work, like the clash with planned tests being
the most obvious, but surely the n Z twenty has
to happen, because what is the alternative. The alternative is
what is happening right now. The current T twenty offering,

(47:21):
which is the Super Smash, will not be on television
next year. No one's put their hand up to broadcast it.
Yet domestic one dayers are already not on TV. No
one wants to broadcast them. They have to go to
YouTube to watch them. Surely anything is better than the
state of domestic cricket in this country. Right now, here's
my next prediction for you. If New Zealand Cricket doesn't
go for this n Z twenty offering or something like

(47:42):
it to keep black Caps in New Zealand over summer,
the black Caps will keep going over to the other
leagues and only coming back to play tests. And then
one day they will stop coming back to play tests,
because that is where this future takes us. First, the
central contracts are declined, and then all contracts are declined.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Heather Doopers the al We're going to talk.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
About euthanasia next, because there's a bit of concern being
raised about as push for big changes to euthanasia to
standby for that on the Neons. So Neon has lost
the HBO content, right, so let me start at the beginning.
The happy news is that there'll be yet another streaming
surface that you can pay for and watch content on.
It will be HBO Max.

Speaker 18 (48:20):
Happy news.

Speaker 4 (48:20):
It's not happy news because already we feel overwhelmed and
like we're spending too much money on this. The problem
is you were already watching this content. It was on Neon,
So now Neon's losing all of this content. It's a
Night of the Seven Kingdoms, Last of Us, House of
the Dragon, White Lotus, Euphoria, Succession, True Detective, The Pit
and just like that, the new Harry Potter series, the
DC Universe franchise, and it's going to happen next mid

(48:43):
this year. Not good news for Sky. They're being brave
about it. They're probably not going to drop the price
of Neon. So I don't know. I'm I started off
with it's good news. I'm feeling like it's not good news.
You're just going to have to pay more. But anyway,
Sky's CEO Sophie Malone is with us on this. After
six news is next.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Time hard questions strong opinion here the duplicity elland drive
with one New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile
new Doorg said, be you you're taking me?

Speaker 19 (49:19):
How would you name go to the end?

Speaker 4 (49:25):
By the way, on the Sky business, HBO Max has
not said how much they are going to charge right
because we've got the new streaming service will have to
pay for In Australia, they charge between fourteen New Zealand
dollars and twenty six New Zealand dollars a month. Sky
TV CEO Sophie Malonia will be with us after six.
We've got huddle standing by shortly. It's fourteen rather twenty

(49:46):
four away from six. Now the old euthanasia debate is
heating up again because ACT is pushing for changes to
its End of Life Choice Act. The proposed amendments include
removing the six month prognosis requirement and then adopting all
twenty five recommendations from a how ministry review. Ethos Alliance
chief executive Alex Pink is warning it's going to breach
human rights and he's with us now.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Hi, Alex, Hey, how are you hearing?

Speaker 8 (50:09):
Well?

Speaker 4 (50:09):
Thank you? What are the human rights that you're worried about?

Speaker 25 (50:12):
The key ones here are freedom of conscience, which is
a really important concept for for doctors or anybody involved
in the medical profession, which basically means the ability for
people to preserve their most important beliefs, but things that
give their life purpose, meaning and identity, the things that
if they had to go against them, they would feel
like they were betraying themselves. And there is a risk

(50:33):
with ax proposed changes that that's exactly what will happen.

Speaker 4 (50:36):
Do doctors have to absolutely do this or can they
opt out of doing it.

Speaker 25 (50:41):
No, no, So at the moment, what the law says
is that if you're a health practitioner, you don't have
to participate in euthanasia if you don't want to, unless
you are the doctor caring for a person who asks
for euthanasia. If you're in that situation and you don't
want to participate, what you have to do is tell
the patient where they can get a replacement doctor who
will facilitate euthanasia. But what Acts Changes would say is

(51:02):
that all health practitioners would have to give patients the
contact details for a euthanasia doctor. And it would also
start to narrow down the kinds of activities that doctors
and other health practitioners could be excused from participating in.
It will basically mean that health practitioners, for example, if
they were part of a team caring for a patient
who's going to receive euthanasia, they could have to be

(51:24):
involved in that way, which at present they don't have
to be. The other really significant part of the bill
is that it would actually put new conscience limits on
care facilities, so that's places like hospice, hospitals, disabilities support facilities,
basically any place that provides what they call personal care
services or health services, which is anything like support with hygiene, mobility, showering,

(51:47):
even the provision of substantial emotional support. And those places
would have to be prepared to allow euthanasia to take place,
even if that goes against the whole reason they exist.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
How do you feel about the six month month prognosis
requirement being removed?

Speaker 25 (52:01):
Well, what that would do, I think is open up
to a whole range of long term conditions and disabilities
that aren't covered right now. And this is one of
those areas where you can write a law and it
sounds kind of nice and clear and black and white
on the page, but in real life it doesn't translate
to that kind of clarity uncertainty. So at the moment,
you know, you're already asking doctors to do a pretty
pretty tough task when you say, look, can you predict

(52:24):
that this person is going to die in the next
six months. If you start opening up to conditions that
are just expected to cause death at some point in
the future, you kind of open the box to a
really wide range of conditions. And if you're a doctor
at the moment, for example, who says, you know, I
can make my peace with euthanasia for end stage cancer,
saying they might start to feel quite differently about this

(52:46):
when you start talking about diabetes, frailty, renal failure, and
all the other kind of conditions that are going.

Speaker 7 (52:51):
To come in.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
But I mean, for the problem with the most obvious
problem with the legislation as it is right now, is
that somebody who knows that they have dementia and that
it's not far away where they are just going to
be not themselves anymore, cannot opt out of that, should
they not be able to.

Speaker 25 (53:07):
I think it's really important that thee that the law
actually says you have to be competent in order to
in order to be eligible for aside, there's some pretty
obvious risks if we start to give if there's.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
Something that's not what I'm asking about. What I'm saying is,
if you know that you're getting dementia, or you're getting Alzheimer's,
or you're getting something that is going whatever it is,
that's not necessarily going to kill you in the next
six months, but as going to really alter your life,
should you not have the option to end it.

Speaker 25 (53:35):
I think basically, if we start opening up the law
to those kinds of situations we really open Pandora's box.
So there's just an enormous potential for abuse in that
kind of situation. That's why the law has always been
very clear and drawing boundaries around this is one of
the things we were told would be a key safeguard
in the law that we have drawing boundaries to say
that we can't open the door to that kind of

(53:56):
situation because too much could go wrong. That's fundamentally what
you're talking about there. That is not what Kiwi's voted
for in the referendum, and x proposed changes are not
what Key's voted for in the referendum either.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
Okay, Alex, It's good to talk to you, appreciated Alex
Pink Ethos Alliance Chief Executive twenty away from six.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
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Speaker 4 (54:19):
On the Huddle of us this evening, Ali Jones read
Pr Morris Williams and Auckland Councilor for the National Party Minister.
Hell are you two?

Speaker 11 (54:25):
Hi?

Speaker 4 (54:25):
Ali? Are you okay with that?

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Well?

Speaker 12 (54:28):
Not?

Speaker 26 (54:28):
I don't agree with Alex Pink I think it. Ex changes,
as I understand them, won't make anyone do anything they
can't really do. Now, I mean, I do understand that
point that you were making. I think was very valid
that that six months could be six months of a horrendous,
revolting time for people, you know, suffering a terminal illness.

(54:51):
Of course, you can't always be one hundred percent right
that someone has a terminal illness, but I haven't seen
the stats. I think they've probably pretty much on the
money these days when they say someone's got a terminal illness,
And I think to your point too, people should be
able to make that choice. I don't see any problems
with this, and I support from what I can see
acts changes.

Speaker 8 (55:09):
Marris, Yeah, totally support it. I'm at the very end
of this debate. I've just had one hundred and one
year old mum die and for most of that years,
right up until three or four months before the end,
perfectly in great condition, totally in control. But in the
last three months and such pain and agony at work
at hospital and pleading with me to find a way

(55:30):
she could move on. I've seen people, when I was
in the Health Ministry of a number of people who
had completely lost who they were, where they were, and
what they were. And I promise you can put it
on the show and keep the recording if I'm ever
in that state, and sometimes a counsel I feel like
I am, I'd rather shuffle off the planet really quickly.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
Right if they put you down, Morris will use.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
This thought they'd be as a reference.

Speaker 8 (55:55):
I'm okay with it. I just think it's the perfect
way to go. I think that's a big debate between
those is with very strict religious beliefs and those of
us that are more sort of I don't know, not
that fussed about all the religious stuff anymore.

Speaker 4 (56:08):
Well, I think even some people who are fussed about
religious stuff are not really that stressed out about this,
you know, as it should be, because you're going to
go meet your maker, which is what you want the
whole time, isn't it? Allie? The infrastructure plan. You looked
at this, you saw how much money had to be spent,
You saw how little we are spending in the right places,
and your first reaction was what, Well, my first.

Speaker 26 (56:26):
Reaction was, who, look, I don't know whether this infrastructure plan.

Speaker 27 (56:30):
Is what we need.

Speaker 26 (56:31):
I obviously haven't read the whole thing framework to deliver
infrastructure for New Zealand over the next thirty years. But
I think we need to know two things. Firstly, why
are we so inefficient? I mean, we're spending you know,
five point eight percent of GDP, We're up there, but
our inefficiency is you know, we're right down the bottom.
So I think we need to find out why we

(56:52):
are so inefficient. That actually is more important to me
than signing off.

Speaker 23 (56:55):
Some of the stuff in this report.

Speaker 26 (56:57):
And I think the other thing we need when we
hear stuff like we need more hospitals, yeah, of course
we do, and we have to invest in our health system,
but I think we have to look at the health
system holistically. If we actually address some of the issues
with primary health, that will stop people having to go
into hospital. To me, this just seems like a kind
of a let's throw something out of wall and see

(57:18):
how it sticks and goes along with what most people want.

Speaker 24 (57:21):
It doesn't feel right to me.

Speaker 23 (57:22):
It doesn't feel robust.

Speaker 8 (57:24):
Morris, Well, you do all the planning in the world,
but it's delivery that matters. I mean, Labor had this
big plan to build a cycle way across the wide
amount of Harbor and they were going to put a
light rail down Dominion Road and all sorts of none.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Of it happened.

Speaker 8 (57:38):
The problem has too. We've got two serious issues with
new soil. And first of all, we're not the wealthy
country we would like to think we are, so we
can't afford some of the standards of infrastructure. I just
meant that the Christmas break can do Bai. They're going
to be building thirty kilometers of rail in the next
three years. We couldn't build three kilometers of rail in
six or nine years, and we still haven't got it open.

(58:00):
I think Ali's right the inefficiency.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Of our delivery.

Speaker 8 (58:03):
You know, we're going to build the International Convention Center
and happened open in twenty twenty one. It's only just opened.
And there is a plethora of examples where the budget
has been more than twice or three times and the
delivery has been three or four times what was supposed
to be. And so we're not a wealthy country. And
the thing that really got to me was Treasury's forecast
that if we carry on just as we are, this

(58:23):
is not spending more. The debt of GDPI rat show
will be two hundred percent to GDP by twenty sixty five.
That's only a generation from now two hundred and thirty
seven thousand dollars debt for every person in the country.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
Yeah, massive, isn't it. You're right, we just aren't healthy. Yeah,
you're totally right, not wealthy enough, all of the stuff. Okay,
take a break, come back shortly the Huddle.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
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Speaker 4 (58:50):
You're back with the Huddle, Morris Williamson and Allie Jones. Morris,
you see those interesting stats about how many babies are
now not being born to mums who are under twenty five.

Speaker 8 (58:58):
I did, and I think they miss the real big
point here. Those stats suggest that the number of births
were about the same two generations ago in nineteen sixty
five as they are today. But I've got some numbers
I just did before we come on the program. The
female population in New Zealand back in nineteen sixty five
was one point three. Now it's two point seven. So

(59:21):
the female population of New Zealand has more than doubled
in that time. But we've had about the same number
of births. And then when you look at the number
of twenty five year olds, it was about two point
one percent of the female population, and now it's point three.
What that just suggests is that you know, in the
old day, see I'm old enough to remember all this
in nineteen sixty five, but you used to get married,

(59:44):
get pregnant, and then have a baby. Every now and
then it was get pregnant and get married and have
a baby, but not not the sort of standard. But
now it's anything goes, and you can buy the morning
after pill whenever you want to, however you like. And
so the young women of today have got all sorts
of flexibility. And one last thing from ninety sixty five
you won't believe it, but I promise you can check

(01:00:04):
it out. The vast bulk of occupations made women have
to quit work if they got married, and it was
coming next, even the teaching profession, air hostesses, so no
wonder it was my only option in life is I'll
have babies. And now women have got so many more
avenues of full time career. Sometimes don't want to have children,

(01:00:27):
mostly don't even want to bloke around nowadays, and so
it's up to them, and good on them, But it's
a fantastic change happened in only two generations.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
Yes, that is the remarkable thing, Alie, is how Quicklian's happened,
just in sixty years lutely.

Speaker 26 (01:00:41):
I mean I had mine older. I was just over
thirty one when I had my first, and I was
thirty five when I had my second. My mother was
twenty four, so you know, that was It's incredible. But
I think there's more to it than I do agree
with what Morris is saying with you know the fact
that it was very traditional women stopped work and you

(01:01:01):
know all these.

Speaker 23 (01:01:02):
Things, but I think the stop had to stop work.

Speaker 26 (01:01:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, well exactly. But I think of change
in traditional roles as well. You know, we've we've got
women out working, men at home.

Speaker 23 (01:01:13):
Kids are expensive.

Speaker 26 (01:01:14):
Cost of living plays a part in this as well,
and also something that a girlfriend and I were talking
about the other day. People having babies older means that
grandparents may not be around to help, you know, as
much as they did in the past, so you don't
have that extra help that you'd normally have, so you
might just settle for one or two instead of three
or four. But yeah, amazing how that's changed in that

(01:01:35):
period of time color. It's expensive though, aren't they expensive?

Speaker 4 (01:01:39):
But you know what I reckon if I could have
changed things, like if I could have had my cake
and eatn at two, it would have been that I
would have had my kids about about ten years earlier,
just so that my mum could see more of what
they yet up to, and then I can see more
of what their kids get up to. Don't you think?

Speaker 26 (01:01:53):
No, you're right, and I remember again discussing this with friends.
You know, there were so many advantages to having babies early.
There's never a perfect i'm financially or whatever, but also
some really good reasons to have it a bit later.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
But don't leave it too late. No, I agree with
you too, Heather, Yeah, totally all right. Now, how do
you feel about this polym I can't, Morris, I can't
help but feel that the poly market. Yeah, sure, it's illegal,
but Jesus's twenty twenty six and it's the Internet. Do
we really have to police what people are gambling putting
their money on.

Speaker 8 (01:02:20):
No, I don't think so, and I don't think you can.
I think in the end there will be virtual private
network providers and all sorts of people that can put
you under the radar and allow you to go. You know,
the horse has bolted and I don't want to use
that expression and gambling, but the horse has bolted with
regards to oh, we can control what our populace does
and sees and his it was Starlink satellites going above

(01:02:43):
you and putting phenomenal bandwidth down virtual private networks. We
would love to control a whole lot of things. We
would love to stop a whole lot of things. I
don't know whether you saw the news in Iran, but
the number of people in Iran who are now getting
starlink kits into their properties and being able to go
back on the Internet. To these people who don't think
will ever get to control.

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
It, Yeah, what do you reckon, Ellie?

Speaker 23 (01:03:03):
Yeah, I don't think you'll be able to stop it either.

Speaker 26 (01:03:05):
I'm more concerned to hear that you can still gamble
using the VPN, but I can't access TV and Z
or my Netflix account when I go to Australia and US.

Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
That's right, we should get them running the old gambling system.
That will sort it out.

Speaker 15 (01:03:19):
Eight.

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
Thanks guys, as always. That's Morris Williamson and Ali Jones
are he haud of this evening. This is the other
thing people are betting on. Twenty twenty eight US presidential
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Jesus coming back by the end of this year. Seven
away from six, it's.

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Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
Heather was so inefficient. This is reinfrastructure because those who
make decisions on our behalf or so over the top
regarding safety. I'd have to agree with that. And hither
I think the issue is that we accept our horrendous
productivity as are given. All of us see the inefficiencies daily,
and none of us can be bothered or empowered to
do anything about it. So we just carry on, don't we?
Just fourteen away from six now, Prime Minister? Has the

(01:04:16):
Prime Minister been making up stories again? Reason I ask
is because media got onto this yesterday when he announced
that the state of o would be coming to Eden Park,
he told a really lovely story about how he used
to grow up. When he was growing up, rather, he
used to watch the NRAL clashes.

Speaker 17 (01:04:35):
For many of us kids like me, we grew up
in the eighties and nineties watching some absolutely fantastic battles
and mom and dad would let us stay up late
and watch it, and it was absolutely fantastic.

Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
Now, the problem is that The State of O was
not broadcast live in New Zealand until nineteen eighty nine,
and given that he was born in nineteen seventy, that
would make him nineteen years old. So I don't know
about you, but by the time I hit nineteen, I
wasn't asking Mummy and Daddy if I could stay up late.
In fact, I wasn't even living with Mummy and Daddy.

(01:05:07):
Isn't a flat and if I was, I reckon they
would be okay with me staying up till about nine
thirty ten or so to watch it play. I don't
know anyway, it's not a big deal. It's not a
big deal. It's just pointing out that how funny memories are,
aren't they. Like you think you remembered something, You're like, oh,
that definitely happened, and then some some cocky little media

(01:05:28):
outfit goes and checks when you were born and when
and it didn't happen. Mate, can't be real, so you
can have to rethink that memory. That's annoying, isn't it.
So if you're Maloney, Sky TV CEO is going to
be with us. Next news Talk said.

Speaker 12 (01:05:38):
Be.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Keeping track of where the money is flowing.

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Speaker 4 (01:06:19):
Evening coming up in the next hour. Jamie McKay on
the Red Meat Exports on the up, the Road Carriers
Association on the nine dollar toll on the Harbor Bridge idea.
That's after half past and an end of Brady will
come out of the UK for us at seven past six.
Now the Pit, the White Lotus, a ton of other
HBO shows are going to be gone from Neon by
the second half of this year, and that's because Warner
Brothers Discovery is planning to launch its own streaming service here,

(01:06:42):
yes another one, and it's pulling its content from Neon
is own by sky TV. The CEO is Sophie Maloney,
High Sophie to hear that, Hey, I'm well, thank you.

Speaker 12 (01:06:50):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
I know you're putting on a brave face today, but
this must be gutting.

Speaker 15 (01:06:54):
No, it's not.

Speaker 21 (01:06:55):
Actually, I think it's been pretty well signaled the Warner
Brothers Discovery. We'll thinking about going direct. But also we've
shared with our shareholders, particularly at an annual shareholder meeting,
that the Neon subs where we wanted them to be.
And also we've been doing a huge amount of work
on our entertainment strategy because we want to have a
constant drum beat of titles for our customers.

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
So no, this is not gutting.

Speaker 21 (01:07:18):
This is the next phase for us. But you know,
just for all of your listeners out there, the good
news is that they can keep watching the Pit. Season
two Eufhouria is coming because we have got that content
until the middle of the year. But what I'm really
excited about here that is the new content we have
coming through Paramount, including Marshalls, a Yellowstone story, and we've

(01:07:39):
gottlined Outlander the final season. I just wanted to give
you a sense of the additional content we're going to have.

Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
But our customers, if your aim is to have a
constant drum beat of content arriving. Then doesn't this make
it harder?

Speaker 21 (01:07:53):
No, in the sense that we've now got we've been
looking at all of our viewership data and we recognize
that actually we need a order slate of content than
what we were securing today through the Hbox deal. And
so that's why I'm referencing some of those titles. You know,
our biggest title last year by far was Yellowstone, so
had to have this new deal with Paramount. But also

(01:08:14):
hither it means that we can be investing another content
that makes sense for our business with other studios like
Sony and the BBC. So you know what, I think
it's been well signaled, but as a team, we're really
excited about what the future holds.

Speaker 4 (01:08:27):
Me now on was that a really expensive contract for you?

Speaker 21 (01:08:32):
I mean these are you know, the HBO Max content
and it comes with a price tag, and so yes,
that all went into the hopper of the discussion, because.

Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
The reason I'm asking is then the money that it
frees up by losing that you can buy more content
with the same money than you would have got from
these guys. That's right, Okay, are you going to drop
the price of Neil No.

Speaker 21 (01:08:54):
Because we've got lots of awesome contents coming, and we've
still got all of the Hbox contents aller the year.
As I say, all of those titles are just referenced,
are coming in March. And you know what, there is
an excellent Sky original called A Small Town Scandal with
Tom Sainsbury and Felicity Kendle of Good Life Fame, which
I would highly recommend to you, Heather and all of

(01:09:15):
the listeners. So look, there's a the entertainment world. There's
a huge amount of variety and substitutability, and what we're
wanting to do is make sure we can actually have
consistent month and month out content that works for New Zealanders.

Speaker 4 (01:09:29):
So no, there's not going to be a change in
the price, and.

Speaker 21 (01:09:31):
We just need to make sure the value is there.

Speaker 4 (01:09:33):
Yeah, you need to do that, ah, because the Chune
thing is a big problem, isn't it. Where we switch
on and we've discussed this before, you and I, we
switch on to Neon, watch all the content that's new,
binge watch it, jump off, go to Disney and so
basically you need stuff arriving every single month to keep
me there the whole year.

Speaker 21 (01:09:48):
That's spot on here and that's what we're looking to
do and we think we've got a lot of opportunity
to do that. But of course, in terms of our
results and we're at that's for next week's conversation, when
I hope you'll have me.

Speaker 4 (01:09:59):
Back absolutely, Sophie, thank you for reminding me. Sophie Maloney's
sky TV CEO. By the way, State of O because
remember it's not SkyTV doesn't just have the Neon play.
They've also got the the you know, all the sports
and stuff like that. So they've got the State of
O on sky TV, so there's something to look forward to.

Speaker 15 (01:10:15):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
UK bank bosses are meeting in a couple of days
and that what they're going to meet to discuss is
setting up in a UK alternative to Visa and MasterCard.
And this is which of course are US companies. And
this has come about because they're worried that Donald Trump
has the ability basically to turn off the payment systems
and we're all super reliant on the Visa and the
master Card. About ninety five percent of UK car transactions

(01:10:37):
are made using the payment systems owned by MasterCard and Visa,
and if it went off, they are saying in the
UK would send them back to the nineteen fifties. So
they're basically going to get together and discuss fronting the
costs to set up their own payment system. So keep
an eye on that because it's the decoupling, isn't it
of the US and basically wider Europe. Twelve past six.

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Speaker 4 (01:11:18):
Evening Hither I went off me on ages ago. There's
absolutely nothing on it and they still run new releases
that were screen possibly three years ago. Michael, thank you.
It's called to pass six. Jamie mckaye, Host of the
Countries with US, Hello, Jamie, good.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Day, Heller.

Speaker 4 (01:11:30):
Do you reckon? We're going to make it four in
a row?

Speaker 12 (01:11:33):
I hope, So the futures market would indicate that it
could be four in a row. With the GDT auction tonight,
we've gone up since New Year. Remember we had nine
falls in a row. To wind out twenty twenty five.
We've been up six point three, one point five, and
six point seven respectively in the first three auctions. So
I guess the question is, is ten dollars back on

(01:11:56):
the carts ten dollars per kilogram of milk solids. Currently,
Fonterra is sitting at a midpoint of nine dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
Now.

Speaker 12 (01:12:04):
The futures markets, for what they're worth, have the current
season at nine dollars fifty four, and twenty six twenty seven,
you know, which starts on June one of this year,
is at a very healthy nine dollars forty. It's not
that long ago that it was sitting at eight dollars.
So anyhow, my guy from Jarden, Mike McIntyre, says the

(01:12:28):
market tonight could be flat for whole milk powder and
amf an hydrous milk fat, but skim milk powder is
a real chance to go up six or seven percent.
Butter could go anywhere, he says, So across the board,
we're looking at maybe two to three percent across the board.
So if it's four in a row, it's good news
for the dairy industry very much.

Speaker 8 (01:12:48):
Said.

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
It's looking good for the wall as well.

Speaker 8 (01:12:49):
Isn't it.

Speaker 12 (01:12:50):
Yeah, I mean this is one of the great stories
of the latter part of twenty twenty five and the
early part of this season. Last week's christ Church sale
strong walland it was up a whopping forty seven cents
one hundred percent clearance. The old buyers were going flat out.
Everything was bid up. And this is worth a dollar.
That's getting a wee bit high from an exporters point

(01:13:12):
of view, at above US sixty cents. We're looking now
at a wall price and approaching six hundred cents of
kilogram clean for strong cross bred wall could be coming soon.
That equates to close to five dollars greasy, depending on,
of course the yield of the wall. So there's just

(01:13:33):
just due to the demise and sheet numbers around the world, Heather,
there's just a global shortage of wal. It's a wonderfully
sustainable product. I don't know why it wasn't hasn't been
worth more. But you can go back to the COVID
loaws of twenty twenty one and farmers were getting paid
less than a dollar a kilogram for flee swall. So
if they can get if they can get up up

(01:13:54):
to close to five bucks. It's another good news story.

Speaker 4 (01:13:57):
Now, do you think the record levels that were we've
got on the red meat exports are sustainable?

Speaker 12 (01:14:03):
Well, I don't know what I think because I'm not
really an expert. I did speak to Tom Young out
of AFCO and he says they're not really sustainable at
the moment. Because one of the big questions out there
in farming, could red meat, namely lamb at close to
eleven dollars beat dairy, which is currently sitting at nine
dollars if you'd take the fonterra midpoint, could red meat

(01:14:26):
beat dairy for the first time in years? Beef sitting
at about nine dollars thirty or forty, so it's currently
above dairy as well. Look what he was saying was
that companies are competing hard for stock. We've had all
this rain. It goes without saying. We've had a lot
of rain around the country and that's meant lots of grass.

(01:14:46):
It's been great for the pastoral farmers. Hasn't been so
good for the poor old arable farmers. But these farmers
have got lots of grass. They're going crazy over storestock.
This is the stock you buy off someone else to
fatten or make prime to be politically correct and then
send for processing. Now, the companies are really having to
compete hard for stock at the moment. There's a lack

(01:15:08):
of throughput because farmers are hanging onto the stock to
put more weight onto their lambs, their mutton and their
beef and dairy cows that are going to the works.
So the companies are having real issues were through put
at the moment very hard to keep plants open five
days a week. You know, the numbers did come out
last week, Heather. They were stunning red meat industry worth

(01:15:31):
eleven point seven billion, a nineteen percent increase on twenty
twenty four.

Speaker 4 (01:15:36):
And stuff will take that money. Jamie, thanks very much, mate.
We'll talk to you in a couple of days. It's
Jamie McKay, Host of the Country right now, nineteen past.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
Six, Heather dupless Ellen.

Speaker 4 (01:15:44):
Goldman Sacks has come out in the last few hours.
Goldman Sachs is going to as scrap the DEI criteria
for its board, so when they go and look for
new potential directors, they will no longer consider race, sexual, orientationally,
any other DEI factors. Now, I'm telling you this is
because yet another you can add that to the list
of corporates who are now quite clearly and quite publicly

(01:16:06):
moving away from this diversity stuff. And if you know
how I feel about it, you know I'm happy about
that now. If you were listening the other week, I
think I might had been. Last week Murray Olds told
us there was this rumor going around that male's ski jumpers,
well maybe it was Oli, it was one of the
boys from Australia anyway, that male ski jumpers in the
Winter Olympics were having high luronic acid. I think it's
how you pronounce it, hialuronic acid injected into their penises.

(01:16:29):
And the reason they were doing this, The rumor end
that they were trying to increase the surface area of
their suits that would basically enable them to jump further.
It popped up in a German newspaper and then, of course,
because it's so ridiculous, everybody looked at it and went,
that's ridiculous, and then forgot about it. Turns out it's true.
There is an Italian plastic surgeon called Alessandro Littara who

(01:16:51):
has confirmed that he does actually inject the stuff into
penises on the regular I think he says he's done
something like three thousand penises already. He says he carried
out the proceed you're on a ski jumper in the
last month, and the ski jumper told him the reason
he needed it done because he was because he was
experiencing embarrassment in the dressing room after competition. But you

(01:17:11):
decide for yourself. Is it because he was ashamed because
he could keep his nickers on if he wanted to,
you know, I mean, that's one way of dealing with
the shame. Is it really because he was ashamed? Or
is it because he wanted to be able to jump further? Anyway? Alessandro,
because you know how Italians are, like famously humble, he
reckons he did a great job six twenty one.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
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News talks heavy.

Speaker 4 (01:17:43):
The situation with if you've been following what's going on
today with the Infrastructure Commission report, one of the things
that came out is that we need to toll the
Auckland Harbor Bridge in order to pay for an alternative
crossing and then told that one too, and the toll
would be nine dollars per one way trip. You're dreaming, mate.
But the other thing was also we need to cut
the spending on roads, which I would say is going

(01:18:03):
to go down like a couple cold sects. Everybody who
loves driving on a new road anyway, the people who
love driving on the new roads the most of course
of the Road Carriers Association will get their take on
this when they are with us. They're going to be
with us. Just after the half past news got a
little update for you on the More Points sewerage leak
in Wellington.

Speaker 7 (01:18:19):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:18:19):
The update here is apparently that Wellington Water has underspent
its budget for last year by millions of dollars. The
Wellington City Council are going to be briefed or it
should have been briefed by now on this, because they've
got a meeting to discuss this on Thursday, and the
papers that they have been given as part of this
briefing apparently show the underspend. Now, the question about the underspend,

(01:18:41):
I mean underspending is you know, just because you've been
given a budget doesn't mean you should spend it. But
if the underspend is related to something that's gone wrong here,
There'll be serious questions about that. I would have thought.
Marlon Williams has just put out an email today saying
he is going to give up music. He says he's
he's been traveling and look if you've seen his documentary,

(01:19:03):
because you know, I'm amal and Williams fan, so I
watched the documentary last year, and in the documentary he
talked about the fact that he's just bone tired. He's
been doing music for twenty years. He's been touring for
the longest time, and I think, you know, it's probably
not obvious to the rest of us. Touring looks like
quite a lot of fun. But I think when you're
doing touring all the time, it just becomes a bit rough,
with the lack of sleep and sleeping on floors and

(01:19:23):
and weird places if you're not sort of you know,
at that kind of rolling stones level. Anyway, he says,
for nearly twenty years, I've explored both the physical and
the musical world in the company of incredible musicians, songwriters
and friends. It's been an absolute pleasure. He's just put
out this email. By the way, the catch with it
is that because it's such a blessing to do what
you love, it can be easy to overlook the toll
it can take over time on the body and soul.

(01:19:43):
So yes, I'm gonna have a cup of tea and
a lie down and maybe get a dog, which is
good for him, but sad for those of us who
like listening to his music.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
Six twenty six, There's no business like show business.

Speaker 4 (01:19:55):
Quick, your latest Netflix binge is here. Do you remember
when Netflix did deep dive into the Biggest Loser and
how problematic it all was. They have just released the
spiritual sequel to that. It's called Reality Check Inside America's
Next Top Model. Oh it's ruining for you.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
We are rooting for you.

Speaker 8 (01:20:13):
That was a moment where I realized, Oh my god,
I think we built a monster.

Speaker 4 (01:20:17):
There was a lot of body We are actually going
to switch your ethnicities.

Speaker 15 (01:20:24):
Baby Girl, Baby Girl.

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
The show aims to uncover the dark stories behind one
of the two thousand's biggest reality shows. One of the
most shocking revelations was what happened to j Alexander aka
Miss j Miss Jay was the judge who wore all
the tiny bowl cut wegs and pulled crazy Faces, and
in the documentary, he revealed that he suffered a stroke
a few years back and Tyra Banks never came to
see him. Darn't come and visit you.

Speaker 6 (01:20:51):
No, yeah yet she just sent me as she wants
to come and visit.

Speaker 7 (01:20:56):
Me, but no.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Day Jack.

Speaker 4 (01:21:01):
Now, if you're wondering, well, what happens Tyra Banks, don't worry,
I've got you. Tyra moved to Sydney, Australia a couple
of years ago to open a hot ice cream shop.
Yeah you heard that right, a hot ice cream shop. Now,
if you're wondering what hot ice cream is, don't worry,
I've got you. The Australian Food Regulator also agrees with that.

(01:21:21):
They've ruled that the product cannot legally be called ice cream,
with Banks cleverly changing the name to hot smies cream.
The Guardian reviewed this treat. They say it has the
consistency of something between milk and melted ice cream, and
they also called the taste confrontingly sweet. So I thought
that there might be some sort of a magic trick

(01:21:42):
that happens, but no, it would appear that when you
heat ice cream, it melts, and that is what they
serve you so anyway, don't know. Now you're going to
go and try it because I am too. I also
want to go try it. I know we are weird.
Road Carriers Association with US next seat.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
Sash everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the Business
Hour with the head of Duplicy Allen and Mass Insurance
and Investments. Your futures in good hands us talk send me.

Speaker 16 (01:22:19):
Won't you in.

Speaker 4 (01:22:25):
Cons Innexus down for a third day in a row
down zero point sixty six percent today, Inda Brady will
bear us out of the UK in ten minutes time.
Right now it is twenty four away from seven now.
Today's Infrastructure Commission report was not the best news for motorists.
The report recommends cutting our annual spend on roading from
one point three percent of GDP down to one percent
for the next thirty years, and another idea was a

(01:22:46):
nine dollars each way toll on the Auckland Harbor Bridge
to pay for a second crossing, which would presumably be
told as well. Justin ty Umbers is the CEO of
the National Road Carriers Association and with US Now, Hi, Justin,
Hello Heather, how do you feel about a cut in
the spending on roads.

Speaker 7 (01:23:02):
Look, I think what the Infrastructure Commission's trying to do
is clearly we've got a long laundry list of some
expensive infrastructure, and I think they're signaling its time for
an adult conversation in terms of what we're prepared to
pay for. But I think it's not just about what
the cost is in a relationship to GDP. I think
you also still have to look at what particular investments unlock.

(01:23:24):
So what would a second Harbor bridge unlock? What would
a Northern expressway up to fung Ray, for example, what
would that unlock? So you've got to look at the
what it gives not just the economy, but also to
lifestyles of New Zealanders as well as part of the equation.

Speaker 4 (01:23:41):
So okay, talk me through what would actually effectively be
a third Harbor cross and what would that unlock.

Speaker 7 (01:23:48):
Yeah, well that's a very good question. So at the moment,
we certainly need it for resilience, that's the main driver.
So obviously if our current aging nineteen sixties bridge has
a moment, we don't want to be left without that
crossing there because that would be a massive hit to
the economy. So firstly, it's about addressing resilience, It all
depends on where they put it where the second harbour

(01:24:08):
crossing is. If it's just another bridge right next to
the existing one, then beyond resilience, it's probably not going
to unlock much because it won't deal to congestion. So
we'd like to see it in another location up the harbor.
We also get benefits of congestion reduction and more throughput
going through the whole motorway network. So again it comes
back to smart planning as to what benefit that's going

(01:24:30):
to deliver.

Speaker 4 (01:24:31):
How would you feel about a nine dollar toll?

Speaker 7 (01:24:34):
I don't know about you, but I had a collective
inhale of breath over on the north Shore when that
number is floated today, Look what.

Speaker 4 (01:24:42):
About the principal justin of paying for something that we
have already paid for in order to pay for something else.

Speaker 7 (01:24:49):
Yeah, that's a very good question. So look, I think
it's about the reality is we have to pay for infrastructure.
We've got to find creative ways to do it. Nine dollars.
That number seems to have come from. I think they
took the nineteen eighty four number and then and then
added and flashing through to today. I actually remember being

(01:25:10):
in the back seat of my father's Ford Falcon throwing
the twenty cent piece in the hopper at the toll boots,
but I don't remember Dad getting really angry about how
much it costs. A nine dollars still seems quite a lot,
but I think I think in reality, you know, you've
got to land that sweet spot and a number that
pays for the asset that you're building, but also doesn't
drive distortions into the economy because these things can affect

(01:25:32):
land prices, where people want to buy, where they want
to work, So you've got to be really careful.

Speaker 4 (01:25:37):
Yeah, I mean do we I feel like what this
is doing is it's seeding an idea, So I don't
expect to see much actually come out of this, but
it will seed some ideas that we will get used
to and then eventually will become the reality. And will
the reality not actually be in the future that every
single new piece of infrastructure that we drive on we
pay for in atop.

Speaker 7 (01:25:59):
Yes, I think certainly for the bigger state highway, big
ticket items that's where we're heading and what we want
from national road carriers is it's really important that the
new infrastructure adds to productivity, So poohoy to walk with
it's cut down fifteen minutes. Road freight operators absolutely love
it because fifteen minutes doesn't sound like much, but that

(01:26:19):
translates into between that and the extension down towards Cambridge,
that's nearly a billion dollars worth of improvement to the economy.
So we're happy to pay for infrastructure that's going to
deliver those productivity wins, make journey times sure, get goods
out there through the economy more efficiently, and we recognize

(01:26:42):
that we're going to have to pay, but you've got
to pay at a reasonable amount that's not just going
to add up to another increasing cost of goods because
you and I end up paying for that at the shop.
Transport operators don't pay for it, they pass it through
to their customers, and you and I pay for it
every time we go shopping.

Speaker 4 (01:26:56):
And such as life. Justin, thanks very much appreciated. Justin
Ti Umbers, executive of the National Road Carriers Association, twenty
away from seven for see Alan, I'm kind of a
little bit excited about what master Card reckons it did yesterday.
Master Card reckons that it did the first AI agentic
purchase in New Zealand. So basically it got the AI
to do something, got the AI to buy some movie

(01:27:18):
tickets and then also make a hotel reservation, and so
it was one of those, you know, one of those ones.
I'm assuming you type it and you go, AI, can
you book me? You know a movie to go and see?
I don't know, obviously, just in this movie, I don't
know the silky offer and pons and me next week
blah blah. Quite I mean, I don't know. The one
thing that Okay, there is an obvious problem, which we're

(01:27:40):
going to get to in a second, but the first
problem that occurs to me is that it just feels
it feels like a fath having to try to explain
to the AI what to do, because is that not
your life if you're married, Like, do you not get
to the point where you go, hey, could you just
don't worry about it how to do it? And it's
not You're not being a dick, You're just like, don't
worry about it, I'll just do it. Because because we
realize that by the time you've explained to the other

(01:28:01):
person what you need to have done, you may as
well just bloody do it. Yourself, right, And are you
not going to get to that point where with AI,
where you're like, oh, I can't be bothered having to
input all and you're gonna come back to me with
some stupid ideas and you're gonna think I'm gonna watch
a movie in Wellington, but I live in Aukland, you know,
and like, I just can't be bothered. I cannot be
bothered trying to coordinate AI. But the other thing, which
is probably more of it, that's just my own personal gripe.

(01:28:21):
But the other thing that's an actual proper consideration is
do you really want to be giving the AI your
credit card number? Because I don't know about you, but
that feels like it's a bit dodgy. So what they've
done is that, and they've onto it obviously at MasterCard
they realize that's the biggest obstacle, So that is tokenized.
They are not getting you to give it the credit
card details that they're using tokens, and the tokens are

(01:28:43):
linked to your email address and somehow, through that very
clever little system, you can buy the tickets without having
to give it the credit card details. So maybe I
don't know, maybe there is a future there somewhere hither
Instead of roads, why not invest in high speed rail.
Imagine walking to the Wellington station, swiping on in them
being in aucklandon two and a half hours. I can
see that's exciting for Blair to be in aucklandon two

(01:29:04):
and a half hours. Less so if everybody else to
be in Wellington in two and a half hours. Because
it brings me to the next thing that I want
to talk about, which is a piece that has popped
up on stuff today asking the question about why Wellington
well not even asking the question, just suggesting flat out
Wellington should no longer be the capital of New Zealand.
Now bear with me, because I know it's not going
to happen. It's not gonna happen. You know, it's not

(01:29:25):
gonna happen like Wellington's. We're stuck with Wellington until an
earthquake takes it out. But that is the consideration you have.
This is the capital, with all of the infrastructure of government,
and you've got the bee Hive there and all the
cabinet ministers and stuff can be taken out by an
earthquake just like that. That is the first consideration. The
second consideration it is as bloody difficult to get into
Wellington on days like we've had in the last week

(01:29:47):
while where it's extremely well windy, you couldn't even get
the Wellington water boss and his deputy had to be
holding the meeting. So this this particular reporter has punted
that what it should be is not Wellington but Hamilton.
The reason it should be Hamilton, apparently, is because it's
going to overtake Wellington as the third largest city. It's
ninety minutes from both Auckland, which is the country's economic center,

(01:30:09):
but also the largest port in the country. It's connected
to both and to Wellington by rail. It can grow.
This is Hamilton, It's airport can grow. The quake risk
is really low and according to stuff what is also
very important is that it's not just full of white
people like Wellington is.

Speaker 10 (01:30:25):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:30:26):
Obviously, as I say, we're not going to be doing this.
This is just a journo who hasn't got enough work.
At the moment, it was a bit bored and thought,
you know what, I'm going to come up with it.
I'm gonna put something out there that's a bit nutty.
And it is a bit nutty only because we're not
going to do it, but if you actually look at
the arguments, might have been a better place to put
the old capital rather than Wellington back in the day.

(01:30:47):
Sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:30:49):
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Speaker 4 (01:31:01):
Hey, Hea, the New Zealand's capital. She will actually be
Sydney harsh. But you know we're all coming around to
this idea, aren't we. Thirteen away from seven Indo Brady
UK correspondence with us Hello, Enda.

Speaker 15 (01:31:11):
Hello Heather.

Speaker 18 (01:31:12):
I'm chuckling what I think the text in my.

Speaker 4 (01:31:15):
Gosh, I know it's the opposite. Do you know what's
happening in New Zealand And you'll enjoy this. It's the
opposite of declaring independence. We're actually trying to get Australia
to absorb us so we can basically peggyback on their
economic success story.

Speaker 18 (01:31:29):
Well we had that with the English, but it was
the other way around. Everything we had they took.

Speaker 4 (01:31:33):
This is true, This is true. I hear you now.
Sarah ferguson the six companies getting wound up? Are they?

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
Yes?

Speaker 18 (01:31:40):
So this is big news one half of England's happiest
divorced couple, as she calls her and Andrew.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
Yes.

Speaker 18 (01:31:48):
Newspapers today have it that there are six companies, all
with the director as Sarah Ferguson, which are being wound down,
So as of the end of next week they will
be struck off Companies House Register of all businesses in London.
It's not really clear what any of them do and
all one is connected to p R, one is connected
to retail, but the other four it's all a bit flimsy. Look,

(01:32:10):
the woman has struggled with huge debt problems her whole life.
And the latest tranche of the Epstein emails we see
how desperate she was from money, emailing him while he
was in prison, you know, complaining about everything financial, How
worried she was, how stressed and exhausted she was. She
actually emailed a convicted pedophile in prison to tell him
that she was exhausted with stress. You couldn't make it up.

Speaker 4 (01:32:32):
Yeah, Now, how is the telegraph I see is crowing
that the other ones who've basically formed forced Kiah Stama
to abandon the plans to cancel the council elections.

Speaker 12 (01:32:41):
Is this right?

Speaker 18 (01:32:43):
No, it's Nigel Farage who has done this. So Reform
UK put in a legal case against the government the
backdrop to all of this, and it does look bad
for Starmar. They wanted to postpone some council elections in
about thirty areas now they're due to happen in May,
and some of these counts are going to be restructured,
some of them are going to be collapsed and squeezed

(01:33:05):
into other council areas. And council leaders were saying, well,
we don't to go through the expense of hosting elections
if this council is not going to exist in eighteen
months time, and Starmer agreed. Now, the suspicion was he
agreed very quickly because the polling is absolutely terrible for
Labor out there at the moment, and he knows that
if Labor get a pasting in May, he'll be gone
in June. So he said, let's postpone these elections then

(01:33:28):
for a couple of years and see what the structure
looks like. But ultimately it was Nigel Farage and Reform
who put in a legal challenge. It was due to
go to court this week and the government's lawyer came
back with the advice saying, you just need to hold
your hands up and abandon these plans because they're actually right.

Speaker 4 (01:33:44):
Yeah, quite right. Now, what is up with this eight
hundred million dollar payment to the EU.

Speaker 18 (01:33:50):
Yes, so Britain famously no longer a member of the
European Union. However, Starmer went to the Munich's Security conference
and clearly there's a lot of business to be done
in uk in terms of an arms fund. So the
European Union is looking to put together somewhere in the
region of about five billion dollars worth of an arms
fund for basically keeping Ukraine fighting, keeping everything going, and

(01:34:11):
stopping Russia taking the whole country. And Britain has a
lot of defense companies. So Brussels is saying to London, yep,
if you want into this fund, you're not part of
the European Union. Bi'll have to pay just short of
eight hundred million dollars to get access to it, and
then we will start offering you contracts. So yeah, the
kind of thing Britain would not have had to pay

(01:34:31):
for if it had stayed in the European Union.

Speaker 4 (01:34:34):
Interesting, Linda, thank you as always appreciate it. We'll talk
to you in a couple of days. Mate Into Brady
UK correspondents Hither, I'm happy to pay a toll on
new roads roads, but on the proviso that the roads
are built by a foreign company that works twenty four
to seven records, not Monday to Friday seven am to
three pm, and it has a contracted finished date with
penalties for late delivery and over budget. Anything done in

(01:34:55):
New Zealand is overpriced and underdelivered. G's duals. Honestly, if
we could get people to just work like a full day,
the full shift, I think would all pay a little
bit for that, wouldn't we? Nine away from seven It's the.

Speaker 1 (01:35:06):
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Speaker 4 (01:35:13):
Heather, I know you used to live in North Hamilton,
but Hamilton as the capital is the same as the
idea that Wales people. It's just ridiculous now, it is ridiculous.
I mean, obviously, if you're gonna choose it, if you're
gonna if you're gonna get rid of Wellington as the capital,
and you're gonna name somewhere else as the capital, it
would have to be Auckland because because look, I know,
don't do that thing. Don't do that thing. We aren't
there everything. It's because everything should be in Auckland. Because

(01:35:35):
actually we have spread way too far and wide across
this country and we should all coalesce in a bunch
of centers, and you need one big metropolitan, like one
big global city, and then everything else can kind of
run off that, and so you may as well just
make it the capital.

Speaker 27 (01:35:49):
I just think though, in that article the justification for
moving in out of Wellington was because I will lose
government in an earthquake. So when we move the beehive
all the way up the country to Auckland and it's
immediately destroyed in a volcanic eruption, look a lot more
sort of. It's the only safe place in the whole country.

Speaker 4 (01:36:03):
It's closer to Taupo. If there's gonna be a volcanic eruption,
Tawpo's taking it out.

Speaker 27 (01:36:07):
I think we need to get volcanologists on the show.

Speaker 4 (01:36:11):
Speaking of which, actually, do you know what I This
popped up on the on one of the news websites
yesterday and I thought, yeah, I'm gotta have to talk
about that at some stage. It's it's it was an
article about what to pack in your emergency grab and
go backs because of all the weather stuff that's going
on at the moment. And it's weird because on Saturday
night the husband went to the rugby and so I
had a whiskey and I had to do this, and

(01:36:31):
I was like, Okay, fine, I'm going to finally do it,
and I went online and bought a first aid kit
for the house, like a proper first aid kit with
all the stuff. It's from Saint John. Actually, you know,
you get the gloves and the scissors and like all
the things you don't think you need until somebody's like
properly bleeding out or something and then you need them. Anyways,
I got one of those, and then I also got
a grab and go back from some supply that I

(01:36:54):
by this that was at the end of the the
end of the whiskey. So we'll see when it arrives
if it's it's actually bloody expensive though. It was like
two hundred bucks, but it had all the like water
purifiers in it and all the things that you're gonna
need tortures FM batteries because don't forget that you need
that need an FM radio. You need an FM radio

(01:37:15):
that you have batteries for that you can wind up
because if everything goes down, you're going to want to
listen to news talks. Be we're going to tell you
how to you know, how to get out of your situation. Anyway,
when the bag arrives, i'll it.

Speaker 27 (01:37:25):
You know, if it was any good, I think you've
just jinxed us hither, but it we'll getting a volcanic
eruption now and AWM, the day before the bag's due
to arrive.

Speaker 4 (01:37:31):
Can you please stop talking about the bog you freak
him out?

Speaker 27 (01:37:35):
Jail House rock vy Elvis Presley to play us out tonight.
Bes Lumen says that he's working on a stage musical
centered around Elvis Preservesly Baz Lumin's the one who made
that bio pick from a few years ago. But yeah,
he was being interview about it and someone said, oh, hey,
is there a musical in the works, And he's like, well,
I don't know if I'm suposed to announce it at
this point, but yeah, there totally is. He says he's
not going to be directly like directing it, but he's
involved in it, so he's also keen to really to

(01:37:57):
directors kind of the movie that's four hours long?

Speaker 4 (01:37:59):
So cool? Hey are you just when you turn your
microphone off? Are you gonna run over and knock on
some wood like you always? Absolutely?

Speaker 27 (01:38:07):
I think I can see the studio like you coat
hanging from here.

Speaker 4 (01:38:10):
You better knock on a You better knock on that
wood for a long time. Because you managed to mention
the volcano twice.

Speaker 27 (01:38:15):
Okay, okay, so now it's my fault. It's not your
fault for the grab bag.

Speaker 4 (01:38:18):
I didn't raise the volcano.

Speaker 7 (01:38:20):
You did.

Speaker 4 (01:38:21):
All right, we'll see it. Well, I'll let you know
about the grab Dear God, please let those gray baggs
a right tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:38:25):
I see it.

Speaker 4 (01:38:26):
Then new stigsed me shifting sand in the box for
help and sake. The one's looking out and just to
make a break to turn to shift down, said make next,
I want to stingingle around a wile again, my chi.

Speaker 1 (01:39:13):
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